#Rats
dim oriole
north edge
The rats from that one deprecated bunker interior finally escaped
then we also need a rat king
cyan crow
omfg this is great
dry tinsel
dishonored rats, nice
dim oriole
yess
mint knot
this mod is based
nocturne coral
Crazy?
dry tinsel
btw, how does it work? something like 1 main rat that controls the rest?
It's hard to imagine that everyone would have their own EnemyAI
dim oriole
they all use enemyai but its heavily modified and the AIIntervalTime is doubled so they only get updated every 0.5 seconds rather than 0.2
and they all have power level 0 so they dont mess up spawning with other monsters
I plan to optimize it more in the future
I most likely will use 1 main rat to control the rest or they will be controlled by the nest
or the rat king will control all the rats and he wont be able to die
im open to ideas
but the rat king is my current plan
fast lichen
fathom ermine
Omg thats so cool
spring hazel
Modded? I was modded once. They put me in an api, a bepinex api, and bepinex makes me modded.
feral plume
huh this is actually a really neat enemy
does them travelling through the vents prevent other enemies from spawning from that vent?
dim oriole
does them travelling through the vents prevent other enemies from spawning from ...
Nope
Just does the open vent animation, enemies can still spawn
feral plume
there doesn't seem a config to change the rarity of the nest
pliant monolith
Can I pick one up
tardy tartan
crazy? i was crazy once. they locked me in a room. a rubber room. a rubber room full of rats. and rats make me crazy.
azure tangle
Can I pick one up
no, but there is a rat scrap mod that might fit perfectly with this mod
terse geode
RAT
timid swallow
dim oriole
there doesn't seem a config to change the rarity of the nest
Yeah, ima make a update soon that'll add that
timid swallow
Why are these rats so aggressive
timid swallow
They just adapted to hunting bigger things?
dim oriole
Yes
timid swallow
Ok
cyan crow
https://youtube.com/shorts/I9f863wGFxg?si=VVkcFEC6ZB3aogV_
I love this video so much
pure remnant
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Snowlance/Rats/
this is incredibly peak
pure remnant
and they all have power level 0 so they dont mess up spawning with other monster...
couldn't you do decimals for it so that they still take up power, just less?
I suppose since they still pose a threat when in large quantities that they could have an actual power level
something like 0.1 power level so that 10 rats take up 1 (?)
feral plume
1 rat would technically also take 1 power
but 10 rats would still take 1
11 rats would take 2
21 rats 3
pure remnant
1 rat would technically also take 1 power
technically, unless there's other decimal using enemies that wanna spawn
feral plume
other enemies using decimals are STPUID!!!!
pure remnant
other enemies using decimals are STPUID!!!!
half flint
I love this video so much
the line oh shit a rat is in Reindog and Friends
dim oriole
How is it going for everyone performance wise?
I know i tried testing it last night with 100 mods and it was giving me performance issues a little bit
If anyone has any ideas for how i can optimize it better, let me know
azure tangle
i have almost 300 mods including this one but it didn't cause any issues for me that weren't already there
vestal sun
I'll be checking this out tomorrow. Excited to see this one!
vestal sun
i have almost 300 mods including this one but it didn't cause any issues for me ...
Oh wow that's a lot lol. I'd love to help love over your pack and see if I can't help diagnos any issues your having and help improve performance for ya.
north edge
dim oriole
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdVnnMOTe3Q
This is what started the mod lol
dim oriole
RAT UPDATE
1.0.1
- Added some optimizations for the RatAI
- Celebrating yet another birthday bash
harsh raptor
RAT UPDATE
feral plume
## 1.0.1
- Added some optimizations for the RatAI
- Celebrating yet another birt...
no nest spawn config 😔
dim oriole
no nest spawn config 😔
I FORGOR
severe spire
i think this might be lagging my game to 20 fps
not sure if its this mod yet or not
half flint
Now when you say the rat king is planned, do you mean da giant rat dat makes all of da rulez, or do you mean the rat king from ninja turtles
fathom ermine
harsh raptor
or the rat king by wikipedia defenition...
dim oriole
Now when you say the rat king is planned, do you mean da giant rat dat makes all...
Da giant rat dat makes all of da rulez
fathom tide
Loving this mod just wish my pc could handle it
fathom tide
i think this might be lagging my game to 20 fps
Not sure if this helps the dev but I reduced the rats all the way down to max of 5 and my fps still averaged to 20 just like this guy
Just having the rats installed sets my fps to 20 as soon as any moon is loaded, uninstalled back to 70fps
severe spire
Just having the rats installed sets my fps to 20 as soon as any moon is loaded, ...
same for me bro thought i was the only one
dim oriole
Yeah, I'm working on optimizing them big time
The rat king should help a lot, I'm gonna make it so he does all the calculations for the rats
dim oriole
Oh boy
Lol
They're way too easy
They definitely need a buff
Rat king will be that buff
Rat king will teach you not to kill rats :)
foggy plume
Rats really adds to the immersion in the rubber rooms
dire anvil
Do i Need to set the spawnrates with LQ of rats or are they an Hazard?
feral plume
i think they're a hazard
vestal sun
i think they're a hazard
I could be wrong but I think they are actually an enemy with a very low power setting. They are also killable and drop enemy remains with sell bodies too.
feral plume
I could be wrong but I think they are actually an enemy with a very low power se...
they spawn from a hazard is what i mean, they don't spawn naturally on their own
vestal sun
they spawn from a hazard is what i mean, they don't spawn naturally on their own
Hmm maybe it's considered both then? I swore it had a enemy power level too. I did forget about that part with the sewer grate.
feral plume
the rats themselves are enemies yes
but the spawner is a hazard
the rats have an enemy power level of 0
vestal sun
I thought it was like .1 or something.
pale bay
Wish the model was a bit simpler.
frigid canopy
Can there be a rare rat named Jenny
I've got a friend that's obsessed with rats and her name is Jenny
She's got a light grey rat that has a little white bow on their left ear
sour zodiac
Can there be a rare rat named Jenny
Thanks loot bug
frigid canopy
Jenny rat Jenny rat Jenny rat
dim oriole
Wish the model was a bit simpler.
Strange, i thought people would ask for a more detailed model. I am planning on adding an alternative model. It will look like this and be called the jerma rat in configs
By pure luck, i found the 3d model for this rat and im so happy
It will have no animations except for a death animation like the current rat where it just lays sideways
dim oriole
She's got a light grey rat that has a little white bow on their left ear
This feels like someone asking to add their original character into a game, sorry but no. At the very least in the future I could make it so you can give the rats names.
glass iron
How is this for stability? I know its in beta, but I really want to try it but dont want to have to tinker too much with my modpack to make it runnable
frigid canopy
This feels like someone asking to add their original character into a game, sorr...
Giving the rats names works for me
Gonna name them all Jenny
dim oriole
How is this for stability? I know its in beta, but I really want to try it but d...
It's pretty laggy if you have a big modpack and a lot of people
I'm working on making it more performance friendly
As far as compatibility, it should be compatible with most mods
Sell bodies is a bit broken though unless you blacklist the rats, since you can sell the rats for a lot of money
dim oriole
Progress update:
Here is the new rat king (with rat for comparrison; size is not final):
he will have some more animations and a lot of unique mechanics
including increasing performance by acting as a controller for all the rats
Here are the new Jerma rats and rat king:
You will need to enable a config option to use the jerma rats
They will also be an alternative for increased performance since they will have no animations except for a death animation, in which the rat will flipped over
The rat king will essentially be a boss fight
He will spawn if you kill too many rats or close all the sewer grates
He can also spawn from vents naturally like any other enemy, but there can only be one of him
if you kill him, you get his crown, which will have a high scrap value
and maybe a special ability
I am working on other projects atm, so i wont have as much time to work on him as before, but it still very much in progress and animations are being worked on
Look forward to it ^^
opal sun
🔥🔥🐀🔥🔥
sour zodiac
Can we shake the rats?
dry tinsel
can we grab rats and throw them at people
like this
lofty plank
rat smasher
dim oriole
https://tenor.com/view/ratshaker-glow-bright-light-glow-stick-gif-89358670899413...
i love this game
damn, now i need to make it so you can squeeze the rats
also christmas update dropping soon
sour zodiac
Hyped
frigid canopy
I wanna pick up the rats and bring them back to the ship
I want a pet rat
I also love how the king is just a bigger than average rate
This mod is peak
dim oriole
1.1.0
- Taking the apparatus now opens all nests
- Some optimizations to the rats
- Added christmas hats for the rats
- Changed max default rat spawn time from 30 to 20
- Added configs for modifying how many nests should spawn
- Changed AI Interval time from 0.4 to 0.3 as well as a config option for it
- Added config option for less rat squeaks
- Michael its your birthday today
hybrid trout
I also love how the king is just a bigger than average rate
I thought it would be a rat king, which is pretty nasty lol
Where a bunch of rats get their tails tangled
Its called a rat king for some reason
fathom tide
Looking forward to trying out this update! Hopefully I can handle running this mod now
pale bay
Are Jerma Rats in?
opal sun
||.............................................................................................................yes||
dim oriole
Are Jerma Rats in?
No, not yet
dim oriole
I thought it would be a rat king, which is pretty nasty lol
Yes yes, that's where the idea came from, and I want to expand on it eventually, just don't know how im going to yet
Need to brainstorm some ideas
opal sun
start as giant rat. kill it and it spawns [configurable number here] regular rats and the crown
dim oriole
That sounds more like a brood mother situation tho, not a rat king
Rat king is when a bunch of rats have their tails bunched and wrapped together
And they can't escape, which leads to their death
opal sun
just a thought
opaque jackal
Rat king crown scrap would be a nice reward for rodent regicide
dim oriole
Yeah, i already have the crown ready for a rewarded scrap item, that is coming
hybrid trout
Spinning rat wheels that throws rats everywhere
opaque jackal
Hell yeah
dim oriole
It's gonna allow you to have some control over the rats
I wanna make it so if you do the point emote, they'll all rush at whatever you point at and eat them
opaque jackal
I wonder if there could be some interaction with the mod that adds cats
dim oriole
Ooo, good idea actually
I was thinking of ways to control the rat population aside from closing the rat nest with the terminal
opaque jackal
Cats oughta do the trick
dim oriole
Rat traps wouldn't be so good because they only kill 1 rat, so you'd need a lot of them
Unless it's some kind of multi rat trap contraption
opaque jackal
Well you could add one of those uhhh. Cage traps.
dim oriole
Or like a nail gun turret, and make it so the rats can get nailed to walls and stuff xD
dim oriole
Well you could add one of those uhhh. Cage traps.
I'm not sure what you're talking about but ill look it up
I used to watch a lot of rat trap videos back then
This one youtube channel that did mouse trap mondays
Forgot what channel it was tho
dim oriole
Ohhh yeah, my family has a bunch of those set up in our yard for catching raccoons and foxes so they don't eat our chickens
opaque jackal
Same idea yeah
dim oriole
Still looks like it would only catch whatever rats run into the trap at once tho
Cuz it closes when it catches them
I'll look into it tho
hybrid trout
Rat trap hazards with this mod would be funny
Sorta like inside bear traps from code rebirth
glacial spire
i got the sell bodies mod along with rats and lemme tell ya, those rats can make ya money fast when you go up to their sewer gate and start hitting em with shovels. they pile up fast
glacial spire
yeah id go down fighting rats to the death for quota
opaque jackal
I already do that with the flamingo scp
opal sun
give the rats each a chance to wear one of several hats
||thatd increase file size so dont probably||
dim oriole
you can blacklist the rats from the sell bodies mod
hybrid trout
step 1 find rat hole
step 2 have shovel
step 3 kill rats
step 4 get shockwave gal to send back bodies
step 5 profit
opal sun
step 0 have Piggy's Variety
step 1 (alt) have m4a1
or
have Betty and play a fun game of Red Light Green Light
sour zodiac
step 0 have Piggy's Variety
step 1 (alt) have m4a1
Step -5 lube up your hands https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1303211799214035036
opaque jackal
step 0: install lethal hands
step 1: square up
step 2: profit
fathom ermine
Step 3: wake up in the rubber rooms
hushed barn
Oh God imagine the reality of specific enemy weights based on Interiors, just set Rats to be the dominant enemy if the Rubber Rooms is picked
pliant monolith
Consume
dim oriole
Time to give the rats each 50 health 
dry tinsel
Time to give the rats each 50 health <:NikoAnnoyed:706247850685628457>
then I'll do this with the rats
gilded flicker
Having this error when leaving the moon:
[17:55:28.5560142] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
Rats.RatAI.TargetRandomNode () (at ./RatAI.cs:835)
Rats.RatAI+<RoamCoroutine>d__64.MoveNext () (at ./RatAI.cs:682)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)
[17:55:28.5705692] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
Rats.RatAI.TargetRandomNode () (at ./RatAI.cs:835)
Rats.RatAI+<RoamCoroutine>d__64.MoveNext () (at ./RatAI.cs:682)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)
[17:55:28.5740822] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
Rats.RatAI.TargetRandomNode () (at ./RatAI.cs:835)
Rats.RatAI+<RoamCoroutine>d__64.MoveNext () (at ./RatAI.cs:682)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)
And I think this error could be associated to this mod too:
[17:55:16.2028379] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
RoundManager.UnloadSceneObjectsEarly () (at <d491ed1d4cc34874a2498af41192fe04>:IL_0045)
RoundManager+<DetectElevatorRunning>d__149.MoveNext () (at <d491ed1d4cc34874a2498af41192fe04>:IL_004F)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)
It should be fixed now, lmk if theres any more issues
dim oriole
1.1.2
- Fixed crash that occurs when ship goes into orbit
- Added spawn weight curves for the sewer grate for modifying spawn weights for each moon
hybrid trout
sterile fern
This reminds me of my favorite movie: the movie
sour zodiac
This reminds me of my favorite movie: the movie
Movie of all time
ivory fulcrum
## 1.1.2
- Fixed crash that occurs when ship goes into orbit
- Added spawn weigh...
still getting this crash today even after updating
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this with rats 1.1.2 still crashed
dim oriole
still getting this crash today even after updating
when does it crash?
ivory fulcrum
When going back into orbit
half flint
You may want to post the log
hybrid trout
ivory fulcrum
You may want to post the log
log is at the top of the message
half flint
Oh sorry mobile didnt show the preview lol
dim oriole
When going back into orbit
does this crash happen without the other mods?
frozen timber
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054684943336349716/1307421730997928027/c...
This Gif is kind of goated ngl
And I will say sorry to all the people who love this mod for taking snowy's time xD she's working on a big mod for december for me ^^
sour zodiac
And I will say sorry to all the people who love this mod for taking snowy's time...
It'll be ready tomorrow right? 
dim oriole
does this crash happen without the other mods?
is anyone else experiencing these crashes?
fathom tide
I was but downgraded back to 1.1.0 and that version is crisp
Gotta say our group thinks the rats are arguably the best custom enemy mod especially with the Santa hats
Some feedback, wish we could config how quickly the rats take away player bodies. They drag them away so quickly it's like there's nothing you can do to stop them even with a teleporter.
Can there be a configuration option to allow teleporting bodies back even after being dragged into a sewer vent?
If losing the themes of dying to being absolutely devoured by them are a concern, the corpse from being killed by a slime could be fitting to show all that's left is the suit and mask
sterile fern
How do we read the spawn curve? Not sure which values to change to make them spawn more
dim oriole
How do we read the spawn curve? Not sure which values to change to make them spa...
Picture it like a graph, the x axis is from 0 to 1 and the y axis is how many rat nests to spawn. Every time the ship lands, it chooses a random x value from 0 to 1 and whatever you value it lands on is how many nests will spawn. So 0, 0 ; 1, 1 has a 50% chance to spawn a nest.
dim oriole
Gotta say our group thinks the rats are arguably the best custom enemy mod espec...
That's actually a good idea, I didn't know the player body gets gets emptied when the slime eats them. I'll add that in next update for sure ^^
sterile fern
Picture it like a graph, the x axis is from 0 to 1 and the y axis is how many ra...
so if i just made it 1,1 it would have a 100% chance, right?
or would i just put 0, 1 ; 1, 1
dim oriole
or would i just put 0, 1 ; 1, 1
you would do this
sterile fern
This mod is cool. Any plans on adding the “were the rats” song as a config option? lol. Maybe like by the vent or something
hybrid trout
Any plans of adding a deep fryer for all the rats to jump into?
dry tinsel
Any plans to adding happy birthday song to @austere sundial
dim oriole
Yes, no and no lol
dry tinsel
shame
sterile fern
Hey so I have a question… if I’m trying to make it 25% would I write 0,0 ; 0.25,0 ; 0.5,0 ; 0.75,0 ; 0,1
Or would that be 1/5?
keen tulip
@dim oriole #1309390403459354715 message
Rare chance for this song quietly emanate from one of the sewer gates they spawn from? With cute a little light show?
sterile fern
Strange, i thought people would ask for a more detailed model. I am planning on ...
I can’t wait for this lol
burnt sonnet
is there any incompatibility with mods? or maybe some advice?
does the AI of rats work normally on custom lunases? Can they run into the ship and pick up the bodies?
burnt sonnet
Why do they squeak so often?
burnt sonnet
dim oriole
Why do they squeak so often?
You can turn down the squeaks in configs
keen tulip
You can turn down the squeaks in configs
Cam I turn them UP?!
Like...
WAY UP?!
I want the squeaks to be so loud they cause a fear effect each time I hear them
burnt sonnet
so that it is not so frequent
keen tulip
More frequent >:)
sour zodiac
we need deepsqueak reverb
bleak pebble
what is 0,0 1,3 in words?
guessing that is the end point and start point? linear
or is that 0-3 in the whole day like other traps?
bleak pebble
yeah 0,10 1,10 creates 10 exactly
can I add keyframes?
I should be able to do 0,0 ; 0.2,0 ; 0.4,0 ; 0.6,0 ; 0.8,0 ; 1,1?
@dim oriole you think this works for your config?
dim oriole
yeah, that should work
sterile fern
So would that make it like a 1/6th chance of spawning?
bleak pebble
I think
keen tulip
If there will be Rat King... will there be big Rat Queen?
keen tulip
Rat gal in high heels? 🤔
dim oriole
rat gal
omg no
if you make rat gal, ill make rat king fall in love with rat gal
and make rat jr.
rat jr. will be a grabbable rat you can take with you to each moon
he will sniff out the nest and bring you cheese
and you can turn the cheese into cheese cake
keen tulip
I think you have to do that now.
bronze shoal
just make hte rat gal yourself at that point 
dim oriole
then you can make rat army
hybrid trout
I WAS BLUFFING!!!
dim oriole
and take over the company
keen tulip
Rat king and Rat Queen, with a little Rat prince. You can trade them cheese to acquire a rat pet
dim oriole
and summon rat jesus
dry tinsel
I WAS BLUFFING!!!
weak soul
hybrid trout
dim oriole
rat jesus will come down to sacrafice himself on the rat cross
and create a rat religion
keen tulip
Jelly belly pet rat Gummi candy?
https://youtu.be/T4r91mc8pbo?si=aqvS6_KHs4jeuy2f
dim oriole
you can use the rat religion to summon rat ghosts
and they have a 50% chance of possessing rats, to make rat zom-
okay im done
this is all obvious joke btw
although if there is rat gal, maybe ill make a special interaction between rat gal and rat king idk
keen tulip
We will rat ship them together
dim oriole
I do want to make a rat map someday maybe
like a sewers or something
and you can find this big nest and it will have multiple rat kings
but thats future plans
keen tulip
Jelly belly pet rat gummi candy?
frigid canopy
Are we going to be able to grab the rats and shake them eventually
RatShaker
And they give us wisdom
austere sundial
@hybrid trout where’s the rat gal model😔
frigid canopy
YES
keen tulip
sterile fern
Any eta for jerma ray release?
dim oriole
Very soon actually, its pretty much done rn with a huge overhaul to performance but the rats can't take explosive or shotgun damage because of how zeekers handles damage for it. It's kinda dumb but he uses the hittable interface to take damage from shovels but he doesn't use the same for shotgun or explosions.
sterile fern
That’s so weird. Guess rats must be bonked only
half flint
There are mods that do make it so explosion damage kills enemies, maybe you can have it synergize with FairAI
bronze shoal
FairAI makes it possible for enemies to trigger landmines, not for landmines to damage em
That's just vanilla
lofty plank
Yea
dim oriole
Update: the animations are done 
keen tulip
dim oriole
so one of the things im thinking of reworking is the vents, right now, everytime a rat wants to use a vent it has to check if the if it can get to the vent and get to the destination of the vent. so instead of that im thinking of just making it so when a rat uses a vent to get back to the nest, instead of venting to the closest vent to the nest and calculating which vent that is, it just teleports to the nest, since the nest is sort of a vent anyways, or like maybe the sewer and vents are connected somehow idk
this could make the rats a lot more performance friendly
I could also make it so it calculates what the closest vent is when it spawns and just uses that vent everytime, but if that vent gets blocked somehow (big metal doors or locking a door) then their ai could get broken
bronze shoal
What about the idea of them being small enough to go under the doors?
That's easy enough to do
dim oriole
yeah, i already am doing that, but i dont know if that works for those big doors you have to use terminal codes to open
i might just make it so that they only use the vents if there is no path to the nest
and if there is no vent they can vent to that they can then path to the nest from, theyll just teleport straight to the nest
keen tulip
so one of the things im thinking of reworking is the vents, right now, everytime...
This seems like good idea 💯
dim oriole
Rats rats we are the rats
keen tulip
The real rats are the friends we made along the way
median belfry
@dim oriole
I get this when I go near the rats [00:46:29.1043924] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
Rats.RatAI.IsPlayerNearANest (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB player) (at ./RatAI.cs:896)
Rats.RatAI.OnCollideWithPlayer (UnityEngine.Collider other) (at ./RatAI.cs:912)
(wrapper dynamic-method) EnemyAICollisionDetect.DMDEnemyAICollisionDetect::OnTriggerStay(EnemyAICollisionDetect,UnityEngine.Collider)
it spams in console
dim oriole
I get this when I go near the rats [00:46:29.1043924] [Error : Unity Log] NullR...
Ah, ill have this fixed in the next update ^^
median belfry
also
how do I config it in central config
it wont auto generate the name for the rats
dim oriole
idk what you mean
also i have some more future plans for the mod after the rat king:
Ideas for controlling rat population:
- A expensive ship command or one time purchase that makes all steam valves go off at once and dispense poisonous gas for a time
- A portable gas dispensor that sprays poisonous gas around an area and slowly spreads out
- Single rat traps for only 1 credit
- Expensive nail gun turret buyable in shop that kills rats
- Glue Rat Traps (sellable?)
- Poison canister (pour it down sewer grates to stop spawning regardless of wether the grate is closed or not)
- Cats!
median belfry
idk what you mean
In central config, it generates a name for each of the moon enemy configs. For some reason only the rats are the one thats not generated
median belfry
Ideas for controlling rat population:
- A expensive ship command or one time pur...
You should change it from the sewer thing because it looks weird on some interiors
dim oriole
In central config, it generates a name for each of the moon enemy configs. For s...
you mean another mod does this?
median belfry
you mean another mod does this?
its like lethal quantities
dim oriole
You should change it from the sewer thing because it looks weird on some interio...
i have been wanting to get a better model for the sewer grate eventually or have something else. when i make the rats able to spawn outside, i wanna use like a dirt burrow nest model or something else but idk what to do for inside
i will eventually tho
median belfry
you could put the sewer on the wall
dim oriole
its like lethal quantities
and i dont think they show because they arent supposed to spawn naturally using a rarity, they spawn from the rat nest
median belfry
and how does the rat nest spawn
dim oriole
you could put the sewer on the wall
true, i tried to use the current model like that but it looks kinda wonky
median belfry
I guess it looks fine on the floor it just looks weird because you can see the ground through the sewer
dim oriole
the rat nest spawns based on config
median belfry
oh
dim oriole
configSewerGrateSpawnWeightCurve
median belfry
alright thanks
keen tulip
Cats?! Compatibility with Needy Cats?!
Cat v. Rat gang wars?!
median belfry
id love compatibility with needy cats
how is it not compatible with needy cats.
dim oriole
it is, but it doesnt work together, like the cats dont chase down and eat the rats or anything
median belfry
oh
dim oriole
i like the idea of buying glue traps that can hold like 5 rats and you can sell them to the company xd
fallen bane
How does the spawn setting for the sewer grate work?
median belfry
@dim oriole How do you close the rat sewer
dim oriole
Terminal
frigid canopy
It's in their list of ideas, I think
feral plume
how does the spawn weight curve config work?
median belfry
@dim oriole does your mod do this
bronze shoal
coderebirth doesw
median belfry
coderebirth doesw
what is it
bronze shoal
it's for the new enemy
median belfry
what enemy
bronze shoal
janitor
sand crest
Hello! I just wanted to report a small bug where the rats occasionally appear to be flying inside the Grand Armory interior from Wesyley’s Interiors in order to move around. It’s not a big deal but it’s definitely strange and quite amusing to watch
bronze shoal
That would be a problem with grand armory
opal sun
typically happens with elevators, i can only assume
enemies aren't exactly programmed to just wait for/on custom elevators when in use, so they learned to fly in that specific part of the interior
glass iron
Its just a problem with their AI, you can see it in Mansion interior too
opal sun
well it better not change. i love the insanity they invoke
dim oriole
Rat king is on his way
keen tulip
Big RAT
hybrid trout
Rat king is on his way
And rat queen?
dim oriole
And rat queen?
You're making the rat gal/queen
vivid basin
keen tulip
By killing them
opal sun
preferably in a violent way
sand crest
Hey ! Our game froze because of this mod and I don't why here is the console error
dim oriole
could be an error with a dead body or something
do you have any mods that mess with the player or enemy bodies?
keen tulip
Hi, @dim oriole how are the rats doing?
dim oriole
They're coming along, working on a lot of other stuff so I haven't been able to work on them as much as I'd like to
dim oriole
They are in shambles
keen tulip
How come?! Why are they unhappy?!
dim oriole
Yes
rain topaz
why does typing the rat vent/grate code show a cooldown similar to disabling a turret. Do we always have to type the code?
dim oriole
Because it's just how the terminal commands work
rain topaz
Because it's just how the terminal commands work
oh so we consistently have to retype the code to stop the rat vent? I thought typing it once would keep it closed
dim oriole
Oh no, typing it once will close the rat vent, it works as a toggle
You don't need to keep typing the code in
hybrid trout
dim oriole
Poll time! Im considering reworking how the nests work. Currently to close them and prevent rats from spawning, you need to type in a code on the terminal, but i was thinking of maybe adding rat poison instead. it could be a shop item you can buy and pour down the drain of a rat nest to stop it from spawning rats. I will also add more ways to control the rat population via traps. Closing nests will have a high chance of spawning the rat king but traps will provide an alternative way to keep the population under control without that risk.
removing terminal code method also makes it easier to update the rat nest model in the future since it doesnt really make sense to be able to close it with terminal commands if its a nest made out of dirt or scrap
glass iron
itd end up like weed killer being needed for kidnapper foxes wouldnt it?
also i havent played the mod yet, ive just been keeping an eye on it so what do i know lol
dim oriole
it would be a big jug and also act as kind of a boss summoning item since poisoning the rats will have a chance to summon the rat king
so its not like you need to have it to keep the rats under control, you can still just kill them or use traps
glass iron
fair enough
glass iron
removing terminal code method also makes it easier to update the rat nest model ...
Honestly its probably way more than worth it just cause of this
austere sundial
I-
austere sundial
YOU WANT TO POISON MY CHILDREN?!?
dim oriole
Yes :3
hybrid trout
I love democracy
upbeat nova
I love democracy
i hate your name
dry tinsel
u have my vote : D
Happy birthday
hybrid trout
Happy birthday rat
spring hazel
Poll time! Im considering reworking how the nests work. Currently to close them ...
Probably a good idea, although having an item that only counters one enemy is a bit useless, the rat poison should do more stuff like kill giants when they eat someone with rat poison in their inventory.
dim oriole
Probably a good idea, although having an item that only counters one enemy is a ...
It's gonna act like less of just a counter and more of like a boss summoning item
But I really like the giant idea, I might put that in
dim oriole
opal sun
excellent. now my frens wont be able to shut the vents 
dry tinsel
excellent. now my frens wont be able to shut the vents <:Trollface:1320442579065...
they will all drink rat poison
opal sun
dim oriole
yummy
median belfry
@dim oriole how do I config this
dim oriole
Soon
opal sun
™️
formal umbra
it would be cool if you have the mod needy cats in the same modpack the rats run away from the cat
dim oriole
I agree
heady sparrow
Some teasers of what's to come
What are they doing? They don't see a obvious devices of their doom? Are they stupid???
Also 🐀👑
I love how they're jumping with the mouse traps lmao
formal umbra
keen tulip
BIG RAT
dim oriole
1.2.0
- Added the Rat King
- Added Snap Traps
- Added Glue Boards/Glue Traps
- Added Rat Poison
- Added the Rat Crown
- Incredibly optimized the mod to increase performance
- Rats no longer vent
- Rats can no longer be shot by shot guns (for now)
- At high threats, rats will call the rat king to hunt a player
The rat king is here!
keen tulip
Can the rat king be shot though?
@dim oriole Is the Rat King 🐀👑 going to be replaced by the... "Rat King" 💯🐀
Or are we going to have both?
grim wraith
What about WiWiWi????
dim oriole
wiwiwi
keen tulip
@dim oriole Given the Thistle Nebula's habit of inflicting rapid and extreme evolution on creatures, such as the Thumper being a "shark" and the Spore Lizard being an "Alligator," what's the likelihood that, in the future, our rats don't look like rats?
keen tulip
Now that the rat king is out, what's next?
Oh! I see "more rat types."
I'm just going to throw some random things out there.
"Rat centipede"
"Rat bat"
"Rats with fricken lasers on their heads"
formal umbra
i enabled jerma rats but they dont seem to be updated even when restart the game
dim oriole
Whatd you mean?
formal umbra
like its still the same model
dim oriole
Ahh, i see. I'll take a look today
I never really tested it tbh lol
I was confident it would work
sterile fern
I’m the biggest rat dat makes all of da rules
rocky schooner
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Snowlance/Rats/
it would be cool if there was an option in the config to disable certain store items
dim oriole
its supposed to be golden yes
median belfry
its supposed to be golden yes
Is that for all rats nest?
dim oriole
yes
hybrid trout
why is it golden?
grim wraith
yeah why?
hybrid trout
dim oriole
sure, pour some poison in it
bronze shoal
sure, pour some poison in it
my throat is golden, can u pour some of your poison on it
dim oriole
gladly 
keen tulip
It's golden because the fuggin Rat King said "Bling my shit upp💯👑"
And they did. They gold plated his houuse
formal umbra
<@327989194087727107> is this normal?
would be funny if it played the we're the rats song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_mZggt6aUg
toxic geode
Hi, just saw that there was an update to add the rat king! It looks sick!
Can it spawn even if there is no rat nests? I lowered those spawn rates and I'm not sure how it will affect the king.
dim oriole
Yes, it can spawn without the nest
sterile fern
I can confirm the jerma rat config isn’t working
keen tulip
He retired, and took the rats with him
dim oriole
damn yeah, I set up everything for the jerma rats and linked the prefab and everything except for the actual code to spawn them if the config is enabled
nice job me
median belfry
@dim oriole The new rat poision is broken, when picking it up, it bugs your game.
dim oriole
<@327989194087727107> The new rat poision is broken, when picking it up, it bugs...
Can you give me any more information to go on? How can I replicate it? Does it give you any error logs? How does it bug your game?
median belfry
Can you give me any more information to go on? How can I replicate it? Does it g...
I can get logs later.
median belfry
Can you give me any more information to go on? How can I replicate it? Does it g...
When picking it up it bugs the inventory and I have to use inventory fix to fix it.
dim oriole
it should be fixed now
dim oriole
Eh???
toxic geode
I got an error last week when I played, didnt happen every quota, but I think it's when the king was spawned. It's a possibility that there was not a lot or no rat nests since I lowered their spawn rate.
Right before we finished the quota, while everything was despawning and before saving the day, the host crashed. (Happened 3 times and then we disabled the Rats mod 😦 ).
The log:
[02:55:24.7957335] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
Rats.RatNest.SpawnRat () (at ./RatNest.cs:177)
Rats.RatNest.Update () (at ./RatNest.cs:98)
Log from another crash (same error). I don't have the 3rd crash, I wasnt the host
Just noticed that there was an update since I played last week. maybe it's already fixed ^^'
hardy cipher
dim oriole
Oh damn lol
regal mica
i forgot about this album
median belfry
when does it happen?
When I look at it
dim oriole
Strange cuz i loaded the game up and it looked fine for me 
toxic geode
If that helps I think that's what a highly reflective material looks like when it can't load it's texture.
tame nacelle
Hey how good are the configs for this mod?
like can I really configure it to how I want
dim oriole
You should yeah
lofty plank
Hey, I can configure what enemies the rats eat right???
dim oriole
No
hybrid trout
Can i configure each pixel and hair on the rats
I want to customize every single one
dim oriole
dim oriole
<@327989194087727107>
is this after the new update?
dim oriole
ah yeah, thats already a known bug then
and its been temporarily fixed
i made it so instead of gradually going from gold to gray, it just becomes gray when its filled with enough poison to stop spawning
until i can figure out how to fix the visual bug or find some other way to indicate that the nest has been fully poisoned
please do let me know if you encounter any other bugs tho ^^
or performance issues
I havent heard much feedback and i have too many projects im currently working on to play it myself, so feedback is very welcome
i can only fix bugs i know about
median belfry
@dim oriole Could you add a config to disable some shop items?
dim oriole
yeah, i can
median belfry
thanks
devout sandal
whenever i go to the company after the end of a quota, Im crashing, and it looks like its because its trying to spawn a rat nest there. idk.
(imma see if using Kittenji's 'NavMeshInCompany' fixes this tomorrow)
median belfry
@dim oriole I looked on the github because I was going to fork it and add the configs for enabling/disabling shop items, but when I looked I already saw the code for it in there. Are there bugs or have you just not gotten to upload it yet?
dim oriole
<@327989194087727107> I looked on the github because I was going to fork it and ...
havent uploaded it yet, still working on it xd
median belfry
@dim oriole Is rats working in v73?
dim oriole
<@327989194087727107> Is rats working in v73?
i dont think so. I am working on making a fix for it though, but might take some time
candid hare
Dunno if this is anything serious, but was getting this error 🙂
Stack trace:
Rats.RatAI+<SwarmCoroutine>d__69.MoveNext () (at ./RatAI.cs:609)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <c39a522eee05469b8171a6cfeb646c59>:IL_0026)```
deep wing
playtested this with other mods, the rat king was invincible, it made this loud pained squealing noise, then proceeded to chase me down lol
lapis crystal
hey has anyone encountered this issue with the rat king before? the big nest is attached to him
dim oriole
Ye im working on a fix
deep wing
Ye im working on a fix
can you choose which moons rats or rat king can spawn on and is spawning outside an option if you have starlanceraifix?
through configs?
dim oriole
Im not sure but I am currently working on a big update that should significantly boost performance, add more configs and fix a lot of bugs. It will take some time tho
deep wing
Alr
I’ve used this mod before in smaller modpacks
I have a feeling update will be fire
dim oriole
For sure, especially with pathfinding lib, it should allow me to spawn way more rats than before
I wanna add new content too, ill do a poll for what I should add next soon
So be ready for that
Trying to find a way to make the snap traps and poison more useful/less annoying to use. Right now it feels kinda gimmicky.
Was thinking about maybe doing a "rat infested" weather, where a rat kind is spawned once the ship lands and there are a lot more rats and nests. Also wanna make rats go outside
deep wing
Question, will rat be shootable
bc rat king was invincible last time i tested
even with shovel
i think i mentioned it before
deep wing
if you haven't thought about it already, you should maybe consider giving rat king outdoor power
adding the cheese moon to my modpack
idk what it was called lol
opaque drift
Hey @dim oriole I know you're probably busy fixing/improving Rats at the moment, but is an update to CHRISTMAS SNAIL on the table at all? LCSoundTool so buggy 
formal umbra
would it be possible to make the rats squeak chance every like 5 - 10 secs cus i have the chance at 0.0001 and all they do is squeak
keen tulip
What else is a rat to do other than squeak?
median belfry
[23:51:05.8864067] [Error : Unity Log] TypeLoadException: Failure has occurred while loading a type.
Stack trace:
Rats.TESTING.SubmitChat_performedPrefix (HUDManager __instance) (at ./Patches/TESTING.cs:54)
HUDManager.SubmitChat_performed (UnityEngine.InputSystem.InputAction+CallbackContext context) (at <bc42cf6950c34b22862bb697b6cfe961>:IL_001C)
UnityEngine.InputSystem.Utilities.DelegateHelpers.InvokeCallbacksSafe[TValue] (UnityEngine.InputSystem.Utilities.CallbackArray1[System.Action1[TValue]]& callbacks, TValue argument, System.String callbackName, System.Object context) (at <7d67996a352a4f4fa0df2b7c9570fda6>:IL_001B)
UnityEngine.InputSystem.LowLevel.<>c__DisplayClass7_0:<set_onUpdate>b__0(NativeInputUpdateType, NativeInputEventBuffer*)
UnityEngineInternal.Input.NativeInputSystem:NotifyUpdate(NativeInputUpdateType, IntPtr)
@dim oriole
in v81
opaque drift
Rats, my beloved 
opaque drift
Yay 
opaque drift
Got some error spam about maximum rats, don't know how big of an issue that is mechanically, but it def hits perf <3
gentle nymph
Got some error spam about `maximum rats`, don't know how big of an issue that is...
same, rats don't spawn
spring hazel
Had this spamming while testing the mod with imperium
-# And i didn't even get to see them spawn : (
