grass looks better on vow
#RebalancedMoons + Atlas
sinful jungle
the only thing i notice off here (other than the super tree ofc xd) is that the fog is above your head
zeeker issue but i should prolly still fix that
sinful jungle
update Out
mental breach
@sinful jungle Spamming on Offense when flooded
mental breach
AudioReverbTrigger errors at main entrance too
obtuse mortar
show errors
mental breach
sinful jungle
oh
great i literally just pushed a hotfix lol now i have to do another one
give me like 5 minutes
ah
yeah
i added reverb triggers to the main entrance and im really smart and forgot to add the audio sources
sinful jungle
idk wtf this is though
sinful jungle
<@717509908479868999> Spamming on Offense when flooded
.
obtuse mortar
that sub emitter thing? usually a thing when rainy, i was about to look it up cuz im curious
mental breach
I think that spam might actually be a bug with Sub Systems cus I had Sub Systems that game and it's not happening now that I landed with a diff interior
I shall inform DemonMae
obtuse mortar
Actually I gtg for a bit so I'll look into that a bit later
sinful jungle
i get those a lot regardless of what planet im on
like even just in vanilla
im not sure what causes it
sinful jungle
im thinking like some entity does it?
mental breach
Probably
sharp finch
that sub emitter thing? usually a thing when rainy, i was about to look it up cu...
flooded and rainy use the same particle effect
it's probably referring to the "destroy" stop action assigned to the droplet particle
when rain touches terrain
sinful jungle
someone needs to water these
sharp finch
Something has a null audioclip though somewhere
probably a spike trap
mental breach
probably a spike trap
Right, I don't think the discovered fix ever got added to SpikeTrapFixes either
@clear cradle Do you still have that update on the backburner somewhere? lol
proper grotto
someone needs to water these
Is that dry weeds compared to the usual vibrant colour?
Unless I’m overthinking it completely they just look duller to me
sinful jungle
they just miraculously look dry on offense now
i think its because i changed the fog color
idrk
proper grotto
That checks out I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯
unique wyvern
someone needs to water these
good change!
clear cradle
<@643818928933699605> Do you still have that update on the backburner somewhere?...
I'll get on that
ruby crow
this mod paired with mapimprovements make artifice and embrion my favorite moons visual wise
the changes and additions are really awesome
unique wyvern
for realsies yeah
clear cradle
We love pairing Rebalanced Moons with Map Improvements
forest plover
frfr
unique wyvern
oh did you not change the shroud colors?
unique wyvern
oh weird
I thought they were like a darker color for some reason
the fog is good tho yeh
sinful jungle
I thought they were like a darker color for some reason
same
idk
its weird
they look different on offense lol
it's kinda cool
unique wyvern
I think that's cool honestly
ye
I think I showed you them but it reminds me of those biome variant shrouds I designed a few months back
unique wyvern
I used a similar dark color for the desert ones
unique wyvern
i still miss your
LMAO
i mean just saying I wouldn't be opposed if you put those in snowy weeds
unique wyvern
also this was my first day on your rebalanced titan
we were playing with the super eclipse mod 
it was fucking hell
it was both eclipsed and super eclipsed, which means spawn rates were tripled LMAO
here's another pov LOL
unique wyvern
idk how to texture plants
also wouldn't it just be like, replacing the model or smth
or do you mean you don't know how to texture plants, as opposed not knowing how to replace their textures/model
sinful jungle
or do you mean you don't know how to texture plants, as opposed not knowing how ...
i can replace the model easily
like
i literally just don't know how to texture plants
sinful jungle
idk what the process for that is
unique wyvern
I assume the model for vains is just a bunch of image plains, right?
sinful jungle
yeah
unique wyvern
neato, if I had a bit more blender experience I could prolly pull it off myself
since it's just image planes
I'll put that on my to-do
unique wyvern
if only you knew how fucking ignorant and slow I am lmao
sinful jungle
i just dont get like
idk
ill look at the texture later
maybe he just took leaf pngs and warped them a lot
and changed the color
unique wyvern
that's how I did the leafboy textures, so maybe?
looking at them they don't look like super fucking complext tho so idk
he could've just drawn that shit
sinful jungle
oh fair
i wouldnt put it in snowy weeds tho tbh id prolly deprecate the mod and put them either here or in a new one
unique wyvern
i wouldnt put it in snowy weeds tho tbh id prolly deprecate the mod and put them...
new one would be the best option honestly
clear cradle
how does Rebalanced work with Artifice Blizzard? Does one scene take priority?
unique wyvern
I think they work just fine in tandem
sinful jungle
how does Rebalanced work with Artifice Blizzard? Does one scene take priority?
all artifice blizzard does is change the material of the terrain
i dont change artifice's terrain directory or anything
so
spark heath
I'm fairly certain this isn't a mod conflict since I tried disabling everything but rebalanced moons and it's still happening; when touching down on Rend the fog just, vanishes into thin air, entering the facility and leaving makes it come back again, but going near the ship makes it vanish again, haven't tested any other snowy moons like Dine
sinful jungle
no yeah its a conflict in my brain i think because i somehow shipped the mod with those triggers set to 0 fog density
after i already fixed this before
one second
spark heath
no yeah its a conflict in my brain i think because i somehow shipped the mod wit...
Haha, that would explain it
ancient wolf
i can feel the fucking pain in those update notes
sinful jungle
this game has really terrible audio systems ngl
but like i get it
he didnt intend for other people to be dicking around with it
sinful jungle
i can feel the fucking pain in those update notes
but tbh its not that bad because LLL makes it really easy for me to just make edits in editor and just package them in an update
i think the "worst" update i had to do was 1.7.0
the rope ladder in particular was very time consuming to figure out
but also that update had a ton of custom assets
lately ive been having fun tho
like just recently i added unique grass textures for each lush moon
except march which retains the vanilla moss texture
they're very subtly different
clear cradle
are you still changing offense to oranger?
clear cradle
same hex code?
sinful jungle
lemme grab it for you
i also changed the normal strength
#E5D1CC
normal strength is 1.5
thats all i changed
clear cradle
also can you put the nav modifiers as children to the cement facility on embrion? it'd save me the hassle, but no rush
sinful jungle
were old birds spawning in the sky
clear cradle
Cube (4) & Cube (5) in BoundsWalls, and NavObs in NavObstacles
they just completely block the navmesh around where I put main
sinful jungle
oh NavObs is actually a leftover from vanilla embrion that i forgot to remove
clear cradle
I need to send you screenshots of the expanded facility too
sinful jungle
I deleted NavObs but
thats in the vanilla scene
so
you should be checking for that regardless
clear cradle
Yeah I probably am
sinful jungle
What moons do you have yet to rebalance?
I'm hardly rebalancing them at all anymore tbh. Since the mod's balancing side is entirely done through buttery's end now, all this mod does atp is refurbish the vanilla scenes with some new features here and there. Basically what you are doing but with extra steps. I'm prolly gonna rename the mod whenever I feel like its.. not in beta anymore, which will prolly be sometime around lethal company's release. I'll prolly call it vanilla moon overhaul or something like that, idk
but yeah, the only moons I've yet to actually change to some important degree (other than culling out unused stuff) are Experimentation and Rend, and I don't really have any interest in changing either tbh. I feel like they're fine
Oh and Assurance
right
that one always slips my mind
high haven
rend gets no love from either vanilla map changing mod
sinful jungle
I just feel like it's, okay
sinful jungle
vanilla dine is a disaster
clear cradle
Mine started with Adamance & Dine because they do suck
high haven
u did mention removing some OOB objects that didn't need to be there
clear cradle
Rend is unfortunately last on my list because it's the best vanilla moon imo
sinful jungle
oh i guess that too yeah
i wasnt thinking abt that
i fixed up the fog so it doesn't abruptly cut off at the fire exit and i also made it so it gets less dense when you're near the main entrance
that and the lights are tied to power ofc
clear cradle
I have more ideas for Rend than I do March tbh
but the people are clamouring for everything but Rend improvements
sinful jungle
march is also like fine, i only moved the fire exit because i thought it would be fun to have 1 entrance each for every side of the moon
and the bridge was a last minute addition from a suggestion and is practically a death trap
ancient wolf
march and adamance are probably my least favorite vanilla moons
theres no loot in march and adamance exterior is absolute agony as giants dogs and levis are kind of common there
vow is also up there because mineshaft and bracken is a cruel combo
i think rend is great but the 25% nutcracker chance is... jesus christ
wild elbow
Rend is unfortunately last on my list because it's the best vanilla moon imo
the GOAT moon tbh
unique wyvern
Rend is unfortunately last on my list because it's the best vanilla moon imo
hmm
you know I woulda said no a few days ago but I've found some neat ship-fire routes on rend, I used to think it was disgustingly linear
unique wyvern
vanilla dine is a disaster
my goat old dine would never
sinful jungle
my goat old dine would never
its fine but i think too many people remember old dine with rose tinted glasses
it had like
one memorable thing
v50 dine is better imo
pre nerf
unique wyvern
its fine but i think too many people remember old dine with rose tinted glasses
I definitely do but like
the interior spawns,,,
it's rend's offense
high haven
All I remember about v49 dine was that it was extremely similar to rend
Like the layout felt almost the same aside from the path to main being longer and the fire exit being in a different spot
sharp finch
v49 and v50 dine are the same map
v50 just added more hills, rotated the ship 180, and moved the fire exit
snow kite
I wonder if part of the reason people liked v49 Dine was that game knowledge was not as widespread so many players did not realize how much better Rend was. Better fire exit and no stormy weather were v49 Dine’s only real advantage
It was atmospheric yes but stat wise it was still pretty rough, though better than v60
sharp finch
my hypothesis has long been that dine felt good back in v40- because nutcrackers didn't exist
rend's "signature spawn" was the coilhead instead and dine spawned more items
so it would have had a better bottom line
sharp finch
it's rend's offense
but i've heard a lot of old dine enjoyers also just say this
so
as objectively bad as offense and old dine were, they were uniquely challenging and that's definitely an appeal
snow kite
Did Old Dine have a different loot table? Otherwise it might still have the issue for more items but they are worse so no real profit increase
high haven
v49 and v50 dine are the same map
I swear dine didn't change until v50
sharp finch
dine basically copypasted rend's loot table
high haven
This is like the 1 thing I know for sure
sharp finch
it had like 2 differences
i think dine had a higher cash register chance and a slightly lower candy chance or something
snow kite
I see
sharp finch
one second
snow kite
One thing I do like about Old Dine is the idea of a trap-heavy moon, I wish that would be revisited since I think this was a better execution than Titan’s turret lottery
sharp finch
left is rend, right is dine
at launch
the loot table was completely revamped in v50
and then it got a bunch of adjustments again in v60
anyways
sharp finch
my hypothesis has long been that dine felt good back in v40- because nutcrackers...
for a similar reason titan used to be regarded as the best map in the game
snow kite
As much as I like the unique v50 loot table this old table is more of what Dine should have
sharp finch
because at launch, it didn't spawn any traps, and fall damage was limited to 20 per hit, which meant you could literally never die from jumping down (as long as you healed from critical injuries)
v45 nerfed both of those things on top of buffing rend a lot with the addition of nutcrackers
which is when dine and titan started to fall behind
snow kite
Necessary changes imo, besides Rend being broken with 24% Nutcrackers
sharp finch
v49 and v50 dine are the same map
anyways this still blows my mind after all this time
just spinning the ship 180 degrees and reducing the thickness of the fog makes it play completely differently but the same core layout is there
snow kite
Honestly the balance of ultra-old versions is interesting to me, before Nutcrackers and while March had a higher item count the moons seemed rather balanced
sharp finch
well
some stuff got shifted around
march used to be much better (assurance loot pool, more items, smaller interior, etc.)
but it also used to cost $100 to route to it
snow kite
Fair imo
unique wyvern
v49 and v50 dine are the same map
this is extremely hyperbolic but yeah they were very similar
sharp finch
vow used to be a tier 2 that spawned much more items and cost $20 to route to
unique wyvern
All I remember about v49 dine was that it was extremely similar to rend
what I like the most abt it is the inside spawns and the extension ladder fire exit
also flood
sharp finch
this is extremely hyperbolic but yeah they were very similar
well it isn't hyperbole
they both have identical base terrain
it was just adjusted a lot, that's what i was getting at
he didn't start over with a new layout
unique wyvern
as objectively bad as offense and old dine were, they were uniquely challenging ...
I like moons with a lot of chaos LMAO
that's why titan and embrion are S tier for me
sharp finch
what I like the most abt it is the inside spawns and the extension ladder fire e...
i do agree with this
the extension ladder fire exit and old floods were cool
sharp finch
It was atmospheric yes but stat wise it was still pretty rough, though better th...
old dine did have this oppressive atmosphere to it
it's so claustrophobic and straightforward now it actually feels kind of cozy in a weird way
i think it plays a lot better now but it doesn't have the same edge it used to
unique wyvern
just spinning the ship 180 degrees and reducing the thickness of the fog makes i...
I don't remember if I was the one who noticed it or what but yeah the Dine revamp wasn't suuuper drastic LOL
sharp finch
i found out because terra posted it in his dine thread
unique wyvern
but it also used to cost $100 to route to it
the fuck!!! I did not know this
sharp finch
way back when
sharp finch
the fuck!!! I did not know this
yeah there's a lot of interesting things happening in v9
i always like unearthing cool "archaelogical" details about the game's development history
and v9 is kind of a treasure trove of that
$200 zap guns
snow kite
This is not everyone’s taste but I like the idea of tier 2 moons being lightly better but costing a little to route to
sharp finch
assurance and march had swapped loot pools (which explains why they were so similarly balanced in v30, and why assurance ranks so much higher than the other tier 1s in earlier versions)
offense had a completely different fire exit in v9
snow kite
Tier 1 Offense and tier 2 Vow are the only things presented here I do not like
snow kite
offense had a completely different fire exit in v9
News to me. Picture?
sharp finch
i sent one to dopadream
let me see if i can find it
otherwise i will have to boot up the project
snow kite
Hmm
I do like how it is in that side of the map that has no gameplay relevance nowadays, but I do not think it is any better than the current one
sharp finch
kinda makes me wonder how offense would play with 3 entrances
on one hand i think offense has the most interesting fire exit of any of the vanilla maps right now
clear cradle
kinda makes me wonder how offense would play with 3 entrances
Use Map Improvements to experience this
marsh wave
glad the fire exit changed to the other spot, that one is kinda lame
sharp finch
i don't think march needs to be the only map with more than one fire exit
in vanilla it is a unique gimmick but i dont think that necessarily makes it good
snow kite
Current fire exit is probably better because with this one Offense’s already slow transfers would be even worse
The moon that needs 2 fire exits is Titan imo
clear cradle
March having 4 entrances is offset by the x2 interior size so it's not even a bonus
sharp finch
i like titan having more fire exits just because it is such a massive interior
marsh wave
I feel like only March and Dine needs more than 1 fire exit, the other are "mostly" fine
sharp finch
but
snow kite
Exactly, Titan is huge
sharp finch
i dont think that interior size is the only reason more maps need more fire exits
marsh wave
problem with Titan is because the exterior is small, having more fire exits are a huge benefit on titan
sharp finch
dine has a lot of interesting terrain and setpieces that are completely out of the way from any sort of gameplay
snow kite
If Titan was a manor map I would not think it needs another exit
sharp finch
the light poles leading to this collapsed tree is cool
i wonder what's happening over here
snow kite
But since it is factory and mineshaft and has terrible loot circles due to its size it would benefit from having another one
sharp finch
oh. oh yeah it's nothing
marsh wave
factory isn't even that bad on Titan
sharp finch
also i just think it's criminal to do away with dine's signature mountain fire exit
marsh wave
tonight we dine hybrid fire exit is truly peak
snow kite
factory isn't even that bad on Titan
idk, endless mazes are common for me, especially since like mineshaft a bad fire exit immediately ruins the day’s potential
snow kite
also i just think it's criminal to do away with dine's signature mountain fire e...
We can agree on that
marsh wave
also, i tried rebalanced moons with tonight we dine hybrid and the fire exit disappeared
i thought it was compatible?
sharp finch
im pretty sure compatibility was never promised or designed around
tonight we dine is compatible with chameleon
because terra runs his patches after mine and checks for my fancy doors object
marsh wave
sad
sharp finch
but if you want to use tonight we dine and rebalanced moons i think dopadream said you should just turn off the dine scene
marsh wave
i'll try map improvements later
clear cradle
It's compatible with everyone :)
marsh wave
but when i tested all together i noticed some strange things?
snow kite
the light poles leading to this collapsed tree is cool
fwiw I do like the maze aspect of it, and I find it rather claustrophobic myself. Trekking through narrow ravines while preying a Giant is not around the corner is a little scary
marsh wave
There were some maps that a strange white line appeared, Embrion main entrance has the black square on the windows positioned wrong (Embrion A with the scene override from rebalanced moons), Dine was completely fucked up with TonightWeDine+Map Improvements+RebalancedMoons (i expected that)
clear cradle
I know about the rebalanced embrion, but what's wrong with Dine?
marsh wave
oh, that explains some things
marsh wave
I know about the rebalanced embrion, but what's wrong with Dine?
TonightWeDine moves the main entrance and fire exit, if rebalanced moons is present the fire exit door disappears, if Dine A is included the main entrance gets fucked up
but that's just incompatibility with TonightWeDine, i'll test later Dine B without rebalanced moons to see if i get 2 fire exits without breaking anything
clear cradle
TonightWeDine moves the main entrance and fire exit, if rebalanced moons is pres...
This should have been fixed a few updates ago, with Dine A being empty, Main being where Fire was, Fire being on the left side of the map, and the 2 additional fire exits from Rebalanced & Tonight being untouched
clear cradle
But if Rebalanced & Tonight are breaking then I wouldn't be surprised if everything is breaking
marsh wave
there was something i wanted to ask, wouldn't it be cool if the changes could be decided by the interior? Ex: Adamance A/Embrion A if the interior was mineshaft
clear cradle
Chameleon Map Improvements
unique wyvern
The moon that needs 2 fire exits is Titan imo
having more fire exits on titan would make it feel a lot smaller imo
snow kite
I never felt that on March, which has 3 fire exits on a 2.0 interior. I think 2 fire exits on Titan’s 2.2 interior would be fine
sinful jungle
yes
marsh wave
Rend and Dine roof when
sharp finch
Rend and Dine roof when
sinful jungle
i kind of like that some of the buildings are just ominous cubes
i just think rend could do with one that isnt like
flipped offense/assurance
marsh wave
yeah, it's cool but it feels weird
idk if it's because the roof is too tall or it's unfit on Rend
marsh wave
although it could look better on Dine
marsh wave
although it could look better on Dine
with a black roof instead of dark brown?
marsh wave
like it reminds me of shit like this
not feeling a strong connection between manor and ancient ruins 😭
sinful jungle
but thats the whole point tho
its an apocalypse bunker that emulates high class life
on the inside
thats why theres fake windows
obtuse mortar
Wesley moons compatibility wen
It's only like 27 moons just make em better
Should be easy
obtuse mortar
Maybe a lil 
forest spruce
So you're saying that you are being rude to Zeekers
marsh wave
Upturned rebalance when
sinful jungle
i think it boils down to like
ur still playing zeekerss' game that you purchased
and he still benefits from that
wesley does not benefit from anyone reuploading his work
lol
if wesley made his own game on steam that would be different i guess
is what im saying
forest spruce
Wouldn't your mod depends on his tho? Still making his download count go up
(This isn't a literal discussion, btw.)
sinful jungle
why do you want tonight we dine support
cant you just
disable the dine scene and use it
id be more interested in supporting it if this mod didnt already do what it does in its own way
unique wyvern
can you imagine how rude that would be lmao
on wesley's behalf you can do it he won't mind :
marsh wave
why do you want tonight we dine support
i don't actually need it, i was just thinking it would be cool having 2 fire exits that require extension ladder
sinful jungle
wait so
unique wyvern
wesley does not benefit from anyone reuploading his work
I mean if it's an addon that depends on wesley's moons he's still benefiting from it, right?
sinful jungle
i don't actually need it, i was just thinking it would be cool having 2 fire exi...
oh
unique wyvern
Wouldn't your mod depends on his tho? Still making his download count go up
oh pf
sinful jungle
uhhh
does that like
not already work?
ill have to check the code for tonightwedine, if it adds stuff based on scene name
theres nothing i can do
marsh wave
wdym
sinful jungle
rebalancedmoons uses unique scenes
high haven
i kind of like that some of the buildings are just ominous cubes
real
sinful jungle
so mods that change stuff based on scene name dont work
i.e butteryfixes cant patch a lot of stuff in rebalanced moons, so i had to work with her to manually fix things myself
high haven
we need more brutalist main entrances in this game
sinful jungle
yess
high haven
might i suggest:
high haven
i love buildings that emanate an evil aura
sinful jungle
if i did this id probably do some really fucked up shit like making the width of the interior small but theres tons and tons of floors
lol
high haven
can you even do that
high haven
might need some dungenplus integration or something
high haven
to make the horizontal bounds small but vertical bounds go crazy
marsh wave
so mods that change stuff based on scene name dont work
What happened to me when i tested Dine scene + TonightWeDine HYBRID was: the map was fine, both places had the stone cube but only one of them had a fire exit, i didn't try looking inside to see if there was 2 fire exits
sinful jungle
what
marsh wave
if i'm not mistaken, TonightWeDine just moves the original fire exit and main entrance placement to old spots from previous versions
sinful jungle
oh cool
river ferry
(Thank you again for that LC piano having that is a godsend)
obtuse mortar
might i suggest:
river ferry
unique wyvern
i dont play with your stinkin moons whats up..
you shuold i think theytre' pretty good :3
clear cradle
Wesley moons compatibility wen
You can do this with Map Improvements. I'm honestly surprised no one else has made Improvements for their custom moons yet
forest spruce
You can do this with Map Improvements. I'm honestly surprised no one else has ma...
In all honesty maybe the word "Improvements" is what make people that don't know about the mod not look into it. As in maybe they're like "Why would I use an external mod to improve my moon?". Perhaps Map Variations would have been a better name for the mod.
or maybe not, just a random thought I had
clear cradle
Yeah I can see that, but the main focus was for improving the vanilla moons, and the system I use to do that allows for custom moons as well
cinder jackal
RebalancedWesleysMoons
rebalancedrebalanced moons
azure ferry
its fine but i think too many people remember old dine with rose tinted glasses
For me the old dine was fine but I do see the reason for rework and the new one is still good for me
sinful jungle
For me the old dine was fine but I do see the reason for rework and the new one ...
yeah like i said its fine but I'd hardly call it better
its just the same map but more linear
wild elbow
RebalancedWesleysMoons
that would be so based ahem how could you say that!!
clear cradle
@sinful jungle You've modified the nav areas for a lot of the maps and it's interfering with some of the improvements, so can you send me Offense, Vow, & Artifice scenes?
sinful jungle
ough
clear cradle
: )
sinful jungle
incredibly sorry about that
yes
i was optimizing the navmesh on a lot of moons
and i never took other edits into account
theres a ton of extra bounds walls etc
clear cradle
Yea I checked every moon and it's just those 3
surprised you didn't do Adamance there's a lot of extra nav mesh there
Also I think some of your trigger's on Artifice need to be removed from the nav mesh because there was some floating nav mesh squares around
clear cradle
Yea I was using Imperium to see the navmesh so take it with a grain of salt
sinful jungle
hmm
sinful jungle
Also I think some of your trigger's on Artifice need to be removed from the nav ...
do you remember where? im looking through and i dont see anything awry
sinful jungle
but Cube.002 needs read/write access on Artifice
no it doesnt
that's the antenna model
in vanilla it has read/write set to false
so navmesh doesnt bake to it
i cant change it without a custom mesh anyways
clear cradle
put a navmesh modifier on it to remove it because like the Hanginglamps it gives errors
sinful jungle
you can ignore read/write errors
they dont mean anything
it just won't write navmesh to them
the only time its an issue is if its playable space like terrain mesh
its just logging the skipped meshes in navmesh
also im pretty sure if i put a modifier over it it'll still error
dense hull
?
sinful jungle
ok for one i love your pfp
also
i just wanted your opinion on smth bc im kinda torn
dense hull
Alrighr
sinful jungle
which do you think fits artifice more
they probably look different in game ofc but, the left is the vanilla artifice sky and the right is the "fixed" one from butteryfixes (its just the not snowy sky)
i kinda wanted to do the right one for consistency but the left is kind of a vibe
so idk
we believe the vanilla sky was left dark on accident
because it was snowy
dense hull
Right since it fits better with Artifice’s lore
dense hull
Artifice was used for the creation and distribution of general uncover technology, and probably had a hand in the attack of the Anglen Capital
clear cradle
and ill send you a unity package in a bit
I also need Dine sorry
ancient wolf
quick little feedback thing: i like that when you pull out apparatus this turns off, small but neat little detail if this was done by you
sinful jungle
i did on every moon yeah
ancient wolf
oh nice
sinful jungle
what's required to do that
well
you have to tag the prefab as poweredlight
and then you have to give it an animator with the respective animator made for that light mesh
i had to make some custom ones for some lights that were missing them
like for example the spotlights on artifice
or the dim LED lights
clear cradle
what does the animation do
sinful jungle
it has 3 states
flicker
on and off
and the game controls what state all powered light animators are on through a script
and it gets them by the tag
hold on
clear cradle
does it need an audio source too or is that optional
sinful jungle
i believe it needs an audio source or it will error yeah
but you dont have to apply sounds to it
obtuse mortar
are the animators culled by default in teh animator settings? i'd be a bit concerned about so many animators otherwise (idk how many powered lights there usually are tho)
though idk how culling them would make em act, sometimes culling animators goes weird
clear cradle
and then you have to give it an animator with the respective animator made for t...
Is the PlayAudioAnimationEvent script needed too?
sinful jungle
Is the PlayAudioAnimationEvent script needed too?
no
also i lied
you dont need an audio source
it has a null check i forgot
clear cradle
epic
I'm just gonna steal the animations/animators from your scenes if you don't mind
sinful jungle
i do not!
sinful jungle
Artifice was used for the creation and distribution of general uncover technolog...
what does that have to do with the sky being dark though
dense hull
what does that have to do with the sky being dark though
The cranes in the light one
dense hull
What
sinful jungle
lethal company has one sky texture
dense hull
Well, I still vibe with the right personally
marsh wave
I wouldn't mind if it has a config to disable that change
I can see people liking the dark vibe from end moons
What if I asked for the ladder on Vow to be a config 
proper grotto
What if I asked for the ladder on Vow to be a config <:Trollface:132044257906576...
On behalf of dopa she’s not going to make it optional out of spite
marsh wave
she's gonna add an extra ladder out of spite 😭
woven tiger
moons that change skyboxes partway through the day don't do this when atlas changes their skybox
sinful jungle
I can see people liking the dark vibe from end moons
i ended up compromising by doing like a dark sky but with the non snowy volume
sinful jungle
What if I asked for the ladder on Vow to be a config <:Trollface:132044257906576...
sure
sinful jungle
moons that change skyboxes partway through the day don't do this when atlas chan...
seems like a very specific edge case to me
id just blacklist said moon from atlas' config
tbh
clear cradle
<@643818928933699605> Do you still have that update on the backburner somewhere?...
Spike trap fix update to prevent null audio available now
mental breach
Spike trap fix update to prevent null audio available now
Noice @spring depot your fix finally sees the light of day 😄
high haven
since when did they decide hot reload patch isn't needed
high haven
it's not like LLL has been updated since then
dense hull
LLL works fine in their modpack without it apparently
sinful jungle
but my specific case was never accounted for
charred turret
OH
sinful jungle
i dont use it and nothing breaks so
well
charred turret
i see
charred turret
ok that makes sense
sinful jungle
without my patch landing on first day makes LLL error
dense hull
Also I fw with the darker Offense
Good job on it
Did you also give the uh
fog a warmer tone
dense hull
W
dense hull
love it
dense hull
The orange tone meshes so well with Atlas' desert skybox
sinful jungle
ok that makes sense
sorry i kinda got lost in conversation but to put it simply, with RBM currently on its own, making a new save and landing without rerouting will cause an error and the ship wont land
bc LLL doesn't account for me changing scene stuff on lobby creation
i have to tell it to do that
high haven
could it just be merged into LLL eventually
sinful jungle
would be cool
wouldnt hurt anything either
all it does is ensure that the current bundle of the moon the ship is routed to is loaded
when lobby is created
dense hull
Dopa
Did you change the volume of Rend's blizzard
Wait no
What the fuck is wrong with the soundscape
It's just
randomly quiet and then loud at certain points
Incompat with this maybe? or is it a vanilla issue
wild elbow
im having a ton of problems with fire escapes. it happens seemingly at random, that i enter through a fire escape, and when i exit through the same door it takes me to a completely different fire
sinful jungle
randomly quiet and then loud at certain points
um?
well
the ambience is quiter near the main entrance of the building and inside the ship, everywhere else its based on height
wild elbow
and when i go back in, it's the second fire exit's tile in the facility
sinful jungle
thats vanilla behavior though
sinful jungle
im having a ton of problems with fire escapes. it happens seemingly at random, t...
i dont think thats an issue with me because ive never had that reported before
are you using another mod that adds fire exits or something
wild elbow
this happens both in vanilla moons and modded ones
wild elbow
hmm nah
sinful jungle
and i definitely dont touch other modded moons fire exits
wild elbow
im only reporting this here cause its the one that adds fire exits to the vanilla moons
its very odd
anyways
sinful jungle
might be worth asking in the LLL thread
forest plover
im only reporting this here cause its the one that adds fire exits to the vanill...
Lemme know if you find out what causes that i got the same issue lol
charred turret
and when i go back in, it's the second fire exit's tile in the facility
LOL
thats a rare generation bug in vanilla
there is an extremely rare chance for two fire exits to spawn on top of each other
forest plover
Ive had it happen a bunch
charred turret
i had this happen once
forest plover
like consistently i have this happened, i assumed something with map improvements and its conditional fire exits. But my modpack is large and i never looked into it so its just a guess
sinful jungle
mmm
charred turret
sinful jungle
its possible that map improvements is adding new fire exits with the same ID as mine
that could cause teleport errors
charred turret
this is on a vanilla+ profile with only clientside mods in a public lobby with no mods being ran by the host
i was not the host myself
sinful jungle
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1199882664367378462/1338994875953057854/2...
wormhole wtf
ive never seen this ever
wild elbow
its possible that map improvements is adding new fire exits with the same ID as ...
not using map improvements here, if that says anything :v
charred turret
i recently also had a random surge of this occuring
but it was just by pure insane unfathomable chance
well
the fire exit generation code doesn't actually state that every indoor fire exit has to be unique for the code to workthe game creates a fire exit warp tile and then randomly assigns each fire exit to the warp tile inside
and there's a dungen room collision thing that i didn't fully understand but basically if the game tries to generate the same room in the same orientation in the same position twice (progress looping back into itself) it just does
if that happened and both of those rooms happened to gen a fire exit in the same position too, they'll probably be combined into one fire exit
The only alternative is that less than 3 fire exits generated, that means the 2.0 multiplier moon didn't have any more space for fire exits, and it seems impossible because right as you enter there is a blank wall opposite of the fire exit, so that's at least one more position
i've seen this particular thing happen with jump pit tiles because they have 6 entrances and therefore loops happen more commonly, it creates some interesting generation quirks like messing with monster pathfinding and mines/turrets/traps spawning suspended in the airBut for this to happen on a staircase tile with only 2 entrances, and for both of the tiles to generate a fire exit in the same exact position on a 2.0 size moon, is astronomically unlikely
sinful jungle
idk why but the message starting with well immediately signaled to me that buttery wrote this
lol
wild elbow
im astronomically unlucky then lol
sinful jungle
did she
sinful jungle
im crazy then
sinful jungle
oh i should have read it more
i just landed on march and the exits are working ok here
was it on a specific moon?
artifice maybe?
sinful jungle
randomly quiet and then loud at certain points
if you could record this happening that could be cool
dense hull
Alright
sinful jungle
also the fog volume might be slightly different yes, i changed it so that it doesn't abruptly cut off in the fire exit pit
but it should be functionally the same
dense hull
I'm dead rn so I'll record when I can
unique wyvern
i dont use it and nothing breaks so
literally playtested smth like two days ago and my shit was fucked constantly cuz of a lack of dopa's fix mod 😭
charred turret
was it on a specific moon?
it doesnt matter what moon it is
sinful jungle
it doesnt matter what moon it is
im not talking abt the vanilla bug im just trying to deduce if my mod is causing it to happen more because of error
but i dont think it is
charred turret
i dont believe so
im making the point that it likely isnt your mod
and that this is a vanilla thing
charred turret
rare ambient noise
forest plover
When I noticed the bug severely it was artifice with rebalanced & map improvements extra fire exits
but ill trust its vanilla cause never had this before lol
charred turret
i did have it happen like 3 more times after that
but i think thats just due to small interior sizes
sinful jungle
idk
charred turret
and i dont use dopas mods
sinful jungle
maybe its LLL
or something
makign it happen more
lol
if its supposedly "rare"
charred turret
possibly
i wont deny that at least
but i dont think your mods are changing anything
well i guess technically theyre adding more chances to experience it since youre giving moons more fire exits
so that would do it
but not alter the chance of it itself
clear cradle
Its weird because I've had no issues with adding fire exits while using other mods that add fire exits
sinful jungle
i mean if its an issue replicable without either 2 mods installed its a bit hard to figure out the root cause
or if theres even anything we can do
clear cradle
I would've noticed back with Dine & having both TonightWeDine & Rebalanced, & the Artifice issue is just because the trigger's in the wrong spot
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sinful jungle
ive never had it happen ever either
marsh wave
i was just messing with MapImprovements and RebalancedMoons config
marsh wave
I noticed that Embrion had some cool effects that distorted objects far away
i can't see them
marsh wave
ancient wolf
heat waves are the best and i wish more planets had them tbh
also embrions ambience is creepy as hell
marsh wave
there's something wrong here
marsh wave
Would you mind giving hitbox to this big structure on Vow
sinful jungle
i suppose
marsh wave
well maybe not art
The rooms would be much darker, idk if that would benefit art too much
It looks cool on Exp
sinful jungle
there's something wrong here
i changed the color of the light here to white to match the new interior lighting btw
thats why
marsh wave
shouldn't i sink here? lol
marsh wave
is the blackout outside something from rebalanced moons?
marsh wave
offense
sinful jungle
it looks like offense
ic
yes the outside lights are supposed to be tied to the breaker like it says in the description of the mod
not sure why one light is on though
ancient wolf
yes the outside lights are supposed to be tied to the breaker like it says in th...
the breakerbox not being on all the way secretly affects the outside lights too oooo...
marsh wave
The moon changes overshadow the breakerbox feature
ancient wolf
i cant teach ppl how to read xd
gamers cannot read, ive learned this myself
people refuse to read
i was more making a joke about the breaker box but yea half of gamers just dont read 😭
sinful jungle
ok im fixing up stuff rn
thanks for letting me know xd
oh i see :/
it looks like project patcher didnt properly decompile the heat wave stuff..
@sharp finch do you think you could help me out here maybe?
idk what to do
like i have no idea how he made the heat wave stuff
wait maybe i can ask distinct
they're like the only person to make an amethyst moon
sharp finch
idk what to do
probably look into it with unityexplorer
sinful jungle
yeah i was thinking that
but if asset ripper cant read it
idk if ill have better luck
idk
maybe
sinful jungle
i forgot i can like
do anything
sometimes i forget that
ill wait for a response from distinct first
marsh wave
oh i see :/
you should probably check all the lights from other moons too 
sinful jungle
you should probably check all the lights from other moons too <:greed:1200418319...
its not a light
i dont think theres any other visual effect in lethal company that uses this component
its just heat waves
marsh wave
i was refering to the blackout
marsh wave
oh ok
sinful jungle
idk how i broke that one specific lamp
marsh wave
why is Rend fog "less dense"?
sinful jungle
shouldn't i sink here? lol
also
i think you're just outside of the trigger
this is where its placed in vanilla
marsh wave
i'm 99% sure it's less dense? i'll take a screenshot
sinful jungle
it only is near the main entrance im pretty sure
i actually had to increase the density of the volume because i increased the size of it so that the fire exit doesnt abruptly cut the fog off
but it fades out instead when you go down there
mind you that rend fog has a scrolling smoke texture so every screenshot of it will look a little different
but like
its pretty much the same
essentially its not different enough for me to care
or notice
sinful jungle
okay well something is causing the fog values to change at runtime according to unity explorer and idrk what so ill just set the ship wind triggers to set the proper fog
dense hull
Yeah this doesn't happen to me
dense hull
Also just to say, LC without the black outlines fucking rocks
sinful jungle
but whatever, ill fix it
sinful jungle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXCyVDEplyM
oh my god this is piss easy lol
ill just make my own and then implement the vanilla ones if distinct gets back to me
also im almost certain this is the tutorial zeek used
it looks so similar and its the same component lol
sharp finch
yes
sinful jungle
i knew something was missing from embrion
im surprised i never notice exactly what
marsh wave
Yeah this doesn't happen to me
the only other mods that i have that could possibly affect fog is Chameleon and Sponge...
sinful jungle
i dont think its either of those
idk
i think reverb triggers are just being buggy
marsh wave
idk what could possibly be too
sinful jungle
to put it simply
uhhh
reverb triggers can control fog, but i set the ones near the ship to just not touch any fog volume at all because the initial fog value is set to be thick like the gifs i sent
and that ... worked
until now, i guess
now something is setting it to be really thin and idk why
but like, going near the main entrance and leaving fixes it
so i know the triggers still work
zenith dust
I've had this same issue
unique wyvern
looks ominous asf with toxic smog
sinful jungle
the ai nodes look so ominous
:D
sorry im trying to figure out the heat waves rn before i fix it lol
unique wyvern
they could never make me hate you diversity landing cutscene <3 (except that I can't turn you off after a single landing on a moon)
unique wyvern
sorry im trying to figure out the heat waves rn before i fix it lol
nah you good
unique wyvern
the ai nodes look so ominous
the devious grapes
unique wyvern
ok but like don't lie and tell me that horizon doesn't look cool though
sinful jungle
it looks neat yea
unique wyvern
the ai nodes look so ominous
edited them out for you
unique wyvern
and it's 🫵 YOUR 🫵 job to find it
sinful jungle
i accidentally made a black hole
unique wyvern
i accidentally made a black hole
how the fuck did you even
unique wyvern
I do it a lot with my art program's default brushes it's fun
unique wyvern
yeah posterization is a thing
idk what dat is i just draw on the pictures , , ,
sinful jungle
limited colors
unique wyvern
oh ye
ancient wolf
I do it a lot with my art program's default brushes it's fun
the giant that follows you into orbit
unique wyvern
the giant that follows you into orbit
it's a great bug to find with ship windows on LOL
here's the original screenshot
sinful jungle
i got it working
honestly i think i made it look better than the vanilla one
its more wavy
unique wyvern
maybeh
it kinda looks like dustclouds more than a heatwave but it might be the gif compression
marsh wave
The vanilla heat wave has a distinguishable weird effect/outline? and moves very slowly
sinful jungle
idk what texture it uses bc it doesnt decompile
sinful jungle
OMG
LOL
HELP that might have actually been subconscious when i was translating the design into 3d space 😭
dense hull
Wait that might actually be peak
You know Experimentation's main entrance
This but with Embrion's current redesigned main entrance like the MvM carrier
azure ferry
Lol 😆
sinful jungle
forgot to say but there was a mini update yesterday
embrion isnt full of pink grapes anymore
versed bone
the duck from code rebirth is no more /j
sharp finch
embrion isnt full of pink grapes anymore
lol did you leave a bunch of renderers enabled
sharp finch
very nice
sinful jungle
in fact
im pretty sure its the icosphere model you provided me for the upturned bottles
LOL
i accidentally selected that one
unique wyvern
forgot to say but there was a mini update yesterday
wesley mode!!
thanks for fixing the pink
raw rampart
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1199882664367378462/1338994875953057854/2...
The dev of LethalIntelligenceExperimental also experienced this and [mentioned it](#1193461151636398080 message) over in the LLL thread
They fixed it in their latest release, see the changelog
unique wyvern
ive never seen this ever
I have reported this many times (not with rm just in general)
@stuck oar researched it extensively, I even have a thread on the ideas section about this in the hopes someone releases a standalone fix in the future
sinful jungle
I have reported this many times (not with rm just in general)
is there even anything i can do
unique wyvern
I don't really know man
stuck oar
make fire exits null.. but really its a fix mod that should fix it
unique wyvern
I brought it up to batby and he dismissed it, jacob said it most likely wasn't him as he never touched anything with fire exits and I never got a reply from lady raph
unique wyvern
The issue was most present when using LLL + JLL and lady raph's dungen plus
sinful jungle
i mean make fire exit EXIT POINTS null
..?
unique wyvern
so that's why I asked all of em at different points in time
sharp finch
i dont think it replicates in vanilla (i have never ever seen anybody report it without using mods, but then again, almost everybody plays with mods)
unique wyvern
It's really annoying on moons with a ton of fire exits, it threw a few runs for me on Hyve and Calist
sharp finch
The issue was most present when using LLL + JLL and lady raph's dungen plus
but my friend has replicated it with none of these mods installed
unique wyvern
i dont think it replicates in vanilla (i have never ever seen anybody report it ...
Nope, doesn't happen in vanilla as far as Virus has seen
unique wyvern
but my friend has replicated it with none of these mods installed
what the fuck?...
sinful jungle
purple told me it happened in their vanilla+ modpack
sharp finch
playing with his profile
sinful jungle
with no custom moons
unique wyvern
yeah the source of the convo is a report from purps
sharp finch
i saw it happen on stream while he was joining vanilla pubs
so that's fun
it doesnt make a ton of sense to me how it happens since fire exits are ordered by distance to the entrance
unique wyvern
I... get the only thing someone can do is release a fix mod with a fix like LI's, I haven't actually played on my old packs since cuz it was really frustrating back then but next time I do I'll attempt to use LI to see if it still happens
stuck oar
..?
something makes fire exit 1 and the main entrance exit points NOT null...
so when LLL goes to assign them correctly.. it doesnt assign them correctly, because they are already assigned wrongly.. by making the exit points NULL before LLL assigns them, they assign correctly.
its a vanilla origin bug (i think) but it shows up more frequently the newer LLL/JLL/DGP versions you install, i went back to november 2024 versions and struggled to replicate it.
sharp finch
which means it should (theoretically) only be possible if fire exits are generating in a different order on different clients
and at least 2 exits have identical distances from the entrance while also being in different positions
unique wyvern
it doesnt make a ton of sense to me how it happens since fire exits are ordered ...
it never made sense to us either (well me not making sense of it is a given cuz I'm really dumb when it comes to these things), it's honestly baffling to me
sharp finch
and at least 2 exits have identical distances from the entrance while also being...
which alone sounds like it should almost never happen
sinful jungle
something makes fire exit 1 and the main entrance exit points NOT null...
so wh...
when you say "make the exit points null" are you talking about the tele points?
stuck oar
so moon makers COULD fix it by writing code to do the fix on their moons, but imho, a widespread fix should be made
unique wyvern
which alone sounds like it should almost never happen
that's the thing though, it happened very consistently for me back when I was still playing Wesley's Moons
so I'm just confused and out of my depth here
sharp finch
well, im sure it replicates more often with certain interiors
especially if they tightly match a grid and use exactly symmetrical coordinates
that would increase the likelihood a lot
unique wyvern
well, im sure it replicates more often with certain interiors
tends to happen a lot with atlantean citadel (in my experience), but virus was able to replicate it consistently with vanilla march facility
stuck oar
when you say "make the exit points null" are you talking about the tele points?
yes, the EntranceTeleport exit points for fire exit 1 and main entrance are sometimes assigned while the others are null.. this leads to fire exit 1 being incorrectly linked with fire exit 2/3 on the outside, but on the inside they get linked correctly.
sharp finch
to be honest
idk why zeekerss sorts them by distance
maybe it was just his best idea at the time
but it would cause weird skews in fire exit placement
stuck oar
idk why zeekerss sorts them by distance
yeah, id just go through the array in sequence (aside from the main that has ID of 0 anyway.
i dont think the issue is distance though
i think the issue is just that they get assigned before LLL handles them
sharp finch
but it would cause weird skews in fire exit placement
for example, since the fire exit at the mountain (on march) has the greatest ID, it would always pick the fire exit furthest from main entrance
which doesn't seem like it's intentional
but shrug
sharp finch
yeah, id just go through the array in sequence (aside from the main that has ID ...
i think he wanted to avoid them generating in different orders on different clients
which was probably a good idea
because this bug shouldnt replicate at all if they always generate in the same order on clients
even if he was doing distance sorting
because orderby is stable
orderby would only provide different orders on different clients if their underlying instance IDs were ordered differently to begin with
at least im like 99% certain on that
i dont think different entrances would have different distances on different clients
but maybe im wrong
anyways barring all of that
sharp finch
idk why zeekerss sorts them by distance
IMO it'd be best to just sort them by network object ID
entrance teleports are network objects
and would have the same ID on every client
lol
stuck oar
i think he wanted to avoid them generating in different orders on different clie...
yes but, in my testing, the issue arises when fire exit 1 and main entrance have an exit point assigned on the outside, while everything else is null.. so finding why they are not null like the rest at the point that LLL fixes them, would fix the issue all the time.. or in my fix, as i dont know the origin of the issue, i just make them null, before i then assign them correctly.
sharp finch
i could probably make a pretty simple patch for that if people want to try and see if it helps
sharp finch
yes but, in my testing, the issue arises when fire exit 1 and main entrance have...
well
sinful jungle
or at all, for that matter
sharp finch
exit IDs get assigned to the fire exits and do not care at all if there is an entrance/exit point already selected