I've seen them on offense
#RebalancedMoons + Atlas
zenith dust
glossy harness
I've seen them on other vanilla moons, too. Even ones not touched by this mod. That was with only RebalancedMoons, Chameleon, and Imperium installed
glossy harness
I would just wait until the update is ready
If you use Gale, you can test for desyncs yourself by configuring the settings to launch multiple game instances, then start a lan session and join with the second instance
sinful jungle
@gloomy moth maybe u can help me dog im struggling... its dire
i have this for the fancy door stuff but when you try launching without chameleon it just throws this error sobbing
i set chameleon as a soft dependency
what am i doin wrong brother!!!!
obtuse mortar
well what are u patching anyway?
obtuse mortar
alright, and what mod did terra make, i can look at the code
obtuse mortar
hmm yeah idk how to patch soft dependencies properly without needing an entirely new dll, but why not just make an inactive gameobject with the right mesh renderer and filter, either that or buttery might be able to expose an API so you dont have to patch their methods lol
obtuse mortar
you can multiple dlls yeah, thats what i do
gloomy moth
I just did this if (Chainloader.PluginInfos.ContainsKey("butterystancakes.lethalcompany.chameleon"))
sinful jungle
so did i :<
let me try doing it directly ig
then if that dont work ... new dll time
gloomy moth
Ooh I see what you're trying to do
I'll be honest, you kinda have to implement your own Chameleon implementation, where in your mod adds in the fancy door replacement.
obtuse mortar
what they're doing isnt necessarily wrong
it kinda is better than doing your own because it sticks to the other mod handling it just as it "should"
sinful jungle
I'll be honest, you kinda have to implement your own Chameleon implementation, w...
i was actually told to do it this way over your method haha
gloomy moth
That's what I did tho
sinful jungle
it seemed healthier
no i mean
i was told to do it how i did it
iirc you kinda redo the implementation
right
gloomy moth
Well I really just move the fancy door prop if it exists
sinful jungle
ic
gloomy moth
but I imagine a better way to do it is just having a fancy door prop in the map and enabling it if the plugin detects chamelon and the fancy door option to be active.
And then enable it if the interior happens to be either mansion or SDM
Actually it makes me think.
sinful jungle
but I imagine a better way to do it is just having a fancy door prop in the map ...
not a great idea
chameleon has confit
config
theres no way to check for that
gloomy moth
It's the only way of doing beside creating a whole separate dll
sinful jungle
then i shall
sharp finch
i was told to do it how i did it
to be fair
i told you to do it this way because i didnt expect this would be a problem
obtuse mortar
im gonna @fair sandal just incase theres something im missing about how to patch a soft dependency
sharp finch
if i am mistaken and there is no way to patch a soft dependency
fair sandal
context?
sharp finch
then i would probably do it terra's way, with a gameobject search after chameleon places the door object and repositioning it
gloomy moth
Except in this case there wouldn't be a fancy door prop since it's a custom scene.
obtuse mortar
context?
patching a soft dependency successfully, with or without the mod being downloaded lol
sinful jungle
Except in this case there wouldn't be a fancy door prop since it's a custom scen...
it would
they're placed based on level
they still get placed on my scenes
gloomy moth
Ah right, it does it by level name?
sharp finch
i dont think there will be a feasible way to ship 2 separate DLLs on thunderstore and differentiate between the two based on chameleon status
unless i misunderstand what is being suggested here
obtuse mortar
you can ship out two dlls in a zip simultaneously, i ship out 2 dlls and 30 assetbundles
though idk what u mean by based on chameleon status
sinful jungle
diversity does too
sharp finch
having 2 DLLs isn't the problem but i thought the suggestion was having 2 versions of the DLL based on if chameleon is loaded or not
but i think i misunderstood
sharp finch
i see
fair sandal
patching a soft dependency successfully, with or without the mod being downloade...
patching a soft dependency should work like normal, so:
// Don't put HarmonyPatch attribute thing for this class
class SoftDepComp
{
void MethodForDependencyNoInlineNoOptimization()
{
Harmony.PatchAll(typeof(SoftDepComp)); // I don't use Harmony
}
[HarmonyPatchstuffhere]
void DependencyPatch(SomeInstance __instance)
{
}
}
true it could be the inlining thing
sharp finch
if you have [harmonypatch] in the class's attributes then patchall() is going to apply it
fair sandal
dont put the attribute?
Harmony will search every class with the HarmonyPatch attribute, and the whole point of doing this is so you don't need to call Harmony patch for that class and instead can call one method that patches everything
sinful jungle
I see
sharp finch
so having a second patchall(typeof) doesn't have the desired result
obtuse mortar
you'll also need to put this ontop of your method:
[MethodImpl(MethodImplOptions.NoInlining | MethodImplOptions.NoOptimization)]
similar to how i do here
sinful jungle
noted
fair sandal
you'll also need to put this ontop of your method:
`[MethodImpl(MethodImplOption...
no need actually, since the method is got via reflection by Harmony
obtuse mortar
no need actually, since the method is got via reflection by Harmony
interesting, okay 
fair sandal
via reflection => no inlining
sinful jungle
noted(2)
fair sandal
issue is if you call a method:
void Main()
{
DoThing();
}
void DoThing()
{
Console.WriteLine(OtherMod.Instance.SomeString);
}
It might get optimized to essentially this by the JIT compiler (afaik):
void Main()
{
// method call got inlined, now void Main needs OtherMod
Console.WriteLine(OtherMod.Instance.SomeString);
}
so the no inlining will tell the JIT compiler to not do the inlining optimization for the method when it's called
I don't know what the no optimization attribute is for though
obtuse mortar
I don't know what the no optimization attribute is for though
neither do i, but twas in the template
fair sandal
ye
brave lotus
If you use Gale, you can test for desyncs yourself by configuring the settings t...
hey, saw this and i tried it today
but i can't seem to be able to join myself
both instances are on LAN mode
sinful jungle
you have to type 127.0.0.1
brave lotus
oh shit
sinful jungle
and press enter
sinful jungle
ah
thats fair
i tried that too lol
@uncut raven maybe u could make "localhost" redirect to 127.0.0.1?
brave lotus
im confident this mod works now with the update and its back on the list but im having issues with the terminal and other stuff
glad this got updated
uncut raven
<@303502679089348608> maybe u could make "localhost" redirect to 127.0.0.1?
Yeah that wouldn't be too hard for me to do
Technically the lobby should show up on the list on LAN anyway tho if u have it set as public
sinful jungle
does lan even have a public option
uncut raven
Ye
On lobbyimprovements it has public, ip only and local only
Ip only is the same as public just it doesn't make it discoverable on the lobby list
sinful jungle
If i get reports of desyncs again im going to fold into a cube and die
sinful jungle
It should theoretically be impossible
crude valley
Remember
All bugs have a -1 offset
If you get one bug report, that bug doesn’t exist
It’s only until you get a second report where you should acknowledge it 😄
cinder jackal
cinder jackal
RAH\
brave lotus
If i get reports of desyncs again im going to fold into a cube and die
hey man i tried your mod out and my friend says he cant see the burger can you make an update quick hes gotta go in 5 minutes
brave lotus
please hes hungry
sinful jungle
Starve.
cinder jackal
dopadream has become evil...
DopaNightmare D:
olive plover
Were there any desynchronizations within the complex?
Is this when different players see different generations?!
rancid gale
Same. I think when testing with my gf, we had desyncs, so I had us turn off RM bc I remembered there was that possibility. Tested again, desyncs again. Later on, I tested on LAN with myself with RM disabled, no desyncs.
I think we may both be schizophrenic
olive plover
Same. I think when testing with my gf, we had desyncs, so I had us turn off RM b...
It's difficult to catch out of sync and understand why it's happening
sinful jungle
Same. I think when testing with my gf, we had desyncs, so I had us turn off RM b...
sounds like config mismatch
but idk
like through LLL i mean
rancid gale
Yeah not sure, she's not the most tech literate but I did help her step by step. Maybe an oversight somewhere on my end
sinful jungle
if you sent her a code after configuring everything it should be OK
sometimes stuff is jank tho
brave lotus
Same. I think when testing with my gf, we had desyncs, so I had us turn off RM b...
rm updated recently
is it that by chance lol
rancid gale
Oh yeah, always making sure everyone has the same configs lol
rancid gale
is it that by chance lol
Nah this was on 1.4.9
brave lotus
oh
rancid gale
I'm pretty sure... I have goldfish memory though
sinful jungle
try again sometime maybe, and delete your LLL config so it can regenerate (unless you have something worth keeping there)
i did an update for fixing desyncs this morning
sinful jungle
If your computer allows it, I'd suggest trying through lan
i think you said you're able to do that right
yeah
rancid gale
Right, I was doing that not too long ago with gale
sinful jungle
Right, I was doing that not too long ago with gale
When you get the chance and do, the first way you can immediately check if the interior stuff is working is by typing "simulate march" in the terminal
it should show all 3 vanilla interiors
sinful jungle
np :>
obtuse mortar
yayy it still works
sinful jungle
lockpicker: 🥲
sinful jungle
would like to mention i once again forgot to update the readme
march's interior size is 1.8 not 1.75
snow kite
I will have to check this out now, I discovered this while I was deprecated so I decided to wait until the kinks were ironed out
Always cool seeing people’s takes on balancing the game’s moons
sturdy pumice
march's interior size is 1.8 not 1.75
dense hull
march's interior size is 1.8 not 1.75
Did bro confuse the numbers with my modpack 😭
Cuz March is 1.75 in mine
sinful jungle
Did bro confuse the numbers with my modpack 😭
no i dont use your modpack
it just used to be 1.75 here
but i increased it because it felt a tad too low
dense hull
Huh
crisp mango
I don't know if this has already been reported, but I'm leaving this here so it can be corrected in the future.
tawdry spruce
there is compat with rebalanced moons and chameleon
sinful jungle
I don't know if this has already been reported, but I'm leaving this here so it ...
so what can be corrected??
im confused
oh
i have no plans on doing compat stuff with this mod, sorry, it just seems like way too much work on my end
dense hull
Rip 💔
crisp mango
so what can be corrected??
I've heard that there is an invisible wall in Adamance when those 3 mods are installed.
I haven't been able to test it.
dense hull
Also Dine softlocks you when you try to land on it with both MapImprovements and RebalancedMoons running at the same time
spring trellis
Also Dine softlocks you when you try to land on it with both MapImprovements and...
this is from MI's first dine option being on, other two let you land but the fire exits are unusable
spring trellis
I've heard that there is an invisible wall in Adamance when those 3 mods are ins...
its more on MI's side than RM cause MI added the invis wall in the first place to make that area climbable (like how it used to be)
dense hull
this is from MI's first dine option being on, other two let you land but the fir...
It loads Dopa's scene regardless of RM's config unfortunately,,
sinful jungle
?
dense hull
MI does
sinful jungle
how on earth
spring trellis
i dont see the issue but alright
dense hull
Fuck if I know
dense hull
i dont see the issue but alright
Because the two aren't compatible with each other
I'd like to use both mods at once without them bricking the game, even if it means I can't use Dopa's Dine scene, but I ultimately have to pick one atm
spring trellis
you can use both if you turn off the first MI dine option? if you mean to swap between vanilla and dopa's dine i have no suggestion lol
dense hull
I prefer the first option, and besides, I'd like the extra fire exits to be usuable if I were to ever pick the second and third
spring trellis
yea thats the kicker 2bh. i just disabled MI ada and dine and left it
dense hull
Rough
dense hull
sinful jungle
It loads Dopa's scene regardless of RM's config unfortunately,,
Fixed
sinful jungle
Literally bc i forgot 1 line lol
sinful jungle
IM SILLY
sharp finch
unfortunate yes but it is funny
crisp mango
Noooo!
Why did you removed the Goopy Goblin :[
sinful jungle
i forgor
crude valley
holdup
something doesn't seem right
but i need a second opinion
you shouldn't be able to be passing strings in your rpcs
it shouldn't even compile (?)
sinful jungle
u scared me for a sec lol
crude valley
oh no dw there was a solution regardless but
once new lll is out ill show you a cool trick for networking
which is once i figure out why the fuck my actions are broken
obtuse mortar
i've always wanted to take a look at serialising stuff for rpc's and whatnot, so if its that i would love to take a look too
crude valley
Yeah
obtuse mortar
i think the magic man for actions is also @cunning steeple, so i'd bother him
crude valley
yee
the tl'dr for serialising stuff is you find a way to easily switch between your client side object reference and a networkable value
so networkobjectreferences work because they actually just send their little uint id
since those are unique it knows what that means on both ends
next LLL has NetworkEnemyTypeReference, NetworkItemReference and NetworkExtendedLevelReference. the first two use the fact that each item and enemy have a unique network prefab associated with them. levels use their unique index based id
tawdry spruce
so what can be corrected??
wait i thought there was already compat to make them work together?
obtuse mortar
next LLL has `NetworkEnemyTypeReference`, `NetworkItemReference` and `NetworkExt...
interesting, that makes a lot of sense
crude valley
its technicially out on nuget 😭
take a look at this
most of this is just boilerplate shit i copied from the actual NetworkObjectReference implementaiton
obtuse mortar
ah shit, nuget has it first? 😂 well i hope thunderstore gets it soon too
crude valley
public void NetworkSerialize<T>(BufferSerializer<T> serializer) where T : IReaderWriter
{
serializer.SerializeValue(ref m_ExtendedLevelId);
}
this is basically ur rpc params equivalent
anything you need passed through the network is referenced here
sinful jungle
wait i thought there was already compat to make them work together?
no?
obtuse mortar
hmmm
sinful jungle
at least not on my end
i didnt know this mod existed until like a week ago
or so
tawdry spruce
wait but wasn't there like an entire error happening if it wasn't installed with rebalanced moons?
i dont know if im talking abt a different mod or not
gimmie a sec
obtuse mortar
```cs
public void NetworkSerialize<T>(BufferSerializer<T> serializer) wh...
whats the m_ prefix mean? i think s_ is a private static so i get that
crude valley
uhh member or smth idk. some people do that for private stuff
im just following ngo convention
obtuse mortar
ohh okay
crude valley
so yeah tldr public side of the struct takes in and out an extended level, private stuff converts that too and from it's level id
sinful jungle
i dont know if im talking abt a different mod or not
oh you mean chameleon
i thought u were talking abt
map improvements
im sorry i dont understand what your question is
tawdry spruce
wait
oh
OOHHHHH
okay yeah i see the confusion
someone in the map improvements thread asked if there can be compat between that mod and RebalancedMoons+Chameleon
i thought that the person was asking if there could be compat specifically between RebalancedMoons and Chameleon
completely didn’t see the map improvements part of that
sinful jungle
I have compat for chameleon, but i don't have plans to support map improvements
that'll have to be on their end
tawdry spruce
so i said there was compat, and got confused when you said there wasn’t, when we were talking abt two different mods there
cunning steeple
~~which is once i figure out why the fuck my actions are broken~~
abandon curseforge, problem solved
sinful jungle
@sand rivet thx again for helping me optimizing this by more than half of its filesize <3
amazes me that the download is under 80mb lol
sand rivet
sinful jungle
ur srsly awesum
sand rivet
No worries! ^^
Im glad you got it figured out by yourself mostly tbh
Usually if I have time and I'm able to I like to walk people thru these stuff in vc
sinful jungle
yea i really just had to be pointed in the right direction
sand rivet
but I wasnt near my pc
tawdry spruce
I need this man
sand rivet
👀
sinful jungle
millions must optimize
brave lotus
sinful jungle
has anybody had the chance to try this out yet btw (esp with modded interiors)
i only tested with storehouse iirc
oh and wesleys
but it should all be working ok
sharp finch
generally people remember all the problems they encounter over all the times things worked right without issue
so i think if conversation and reports have slowed down that's most likely a good sign
even if there hasn't been a ton of positive feedback in its place
my philosophy anyway
snow kite
Ah, interesting. What kind of moon?
sinful jungle
dunno yet. something gloomy with constant overcasts, maybe lots of water
snow kite
So kinda like Gordion but as an actual moon
snow kite
So then like Scallg
There also is Assertion
Although those do not have a ton of water
sinful jungle
like
really dude?
you're only gonna link your channel, which mind you, has zero content on lethal company
same for the source link too
🙄
snow kite
I could grab some for you
sinful jungle
It's ok lol i was just a tad curious
anyways idrk what community moon id compare it to, i do not play with custom moons often so my point of reference would just be the vanilla ones (and maybe distinct's)
would prolly be a t2 moon
snow kite
Zeimalt has photos, it is a gloomy forest
sharp finch
@sinful jungle lol i downloaded conviction at one point when it was like
1 of only 5 or 6 vanilla style moons on thunderstore
it is a super oldie
anyways screenshots would not have been incredibly flattering
sinful jungle
something is better than nothing
sharp finch
it also had 5x interior size and spawned multiple dogs and giants immediately upon landing despite having 0 trees, hills, or buildings for cover
sinful jungle
5???
dense hull
it also had 5x interior size and spawned multiple dogs and giants immediately up...
What the fuck 💔
sinful jungle
what
dense hull
No wonder it was so hard
sinful jungle
bro pressed numbers on his keyboard
snow kite
Conviction is so bleh, exterior that is just a trail with nothing else and is absolutely stuffed with enemies
It just feels cheap
snow kite
Those are cool yeah but that is it
Worse Rend exterior
Also fire needing extension ladder is just feels like a big middle finger
dense hull
I haven't played Conviction enough to remember where its fire exit is
In-fact, I don't think I've ever actually been to it
snow kite
It is just a rectangular concrete block raised off the ground with fire at the top iirc, only there to make it harder
It is opposite direction to main, with its own light trail iirc
Assertion’s exterior is not mind-blowing but is a huge step up
snow kite
it also had 5x interior size and spawned multiple dogs and giants immediately up...
5x interior is insane, Ganimedes has 3x and gives you 4 fire exits and there is light talk on if it is too big. Also people have said an interior size that big sometimes causes generation problems
sinful jungle
i imagine it would cause a fuckton of lag
but idk
cullfactory + loadstone might circumvent it
man
i remember when cullfactory was brand new and was lowkey kinda dog lol
snow kite
Yeah Cullfactory is required for an interior that big
snow kite
Well they all gotta start somewhere
sinful jungle
it had no portal culling
rooms would just stop rendering based on distance and would pop out of existence
it progressed really fast though
snow kite
Assertion says it is harder than Conviction, I wonder if its interior is even bigger
brave lotus
why do moon creators insist on not adding screenshots??
i honestly considered doing a favour to the community and just like
travel around moons record samples and make a forum post here
just giving a tour of em
for like every moon mod
because it annoys me too 😭
rancid gale
In my experience, if they didn't put effort into the thunderstore page, they didn't seem to put much more effort into the moon itself (or they're just new to modding and aren't all that concerned with presentation)
brave lotus
nah, look at tolian's moons page
had to go page-by-page
ive seen great moons w a lot of ratings/downloads and no images too
cant recall right now
but also one image doesnt tend to do a lot of justice
thats why i considered doing a short vid or at least 3 ss
sinful jungle
im not gonna download a moon with zero screenshots
brave lotus
yeah...
tawdry spruce
oh actually wait i just remembered
how is map improvements incompatible with RM?
i thought it just puts prefabs in the scene?
sinful jungle
it probably isnt
brave lotus
it wa compatible, just had desyncs
tawdry spruce
ah
brave lotus
but looking at the threads
tawdry spruce
alr
brave lotus
seems like it was RM's fault
not cause of an incompatibility
cant tell you for sure tho
brave lotus
oh
sinful jungle
i cant fix that
brave lotus
didnt see that
brave lotus
if you combine both you'll get an invisible wall on ada im pretty sure
where was this?
in what part of the map
tawdry spruce
no idea
sinful jungle
prolly where i changed the terrain
tawdry spruce
i know it was said in the thread though
sinful jungle
the fire exit route
brave lotus
i remember leaving out the fire exit fine, but i mightve not had both mods at once then
your mod's the one that makes the rocks actually climbable right?
next to the ship
sinful jungle
it originally kept you safe from giants but i fixed that lol
brave lotus
i normally wouldnt mind the super roundabout way i like halfo f lethal's difficulty coming from jank and things like having two-handed-items
but not being able to climb the rocks properly and having to go allll the way up was painful
and softlocked us because of rain once 
bridge broke
sinful jungle
and there was mud?
brave lotus
yeeep right in the spot
brave lotus
that was super great
not even super easy to go up it either, was a challenge to go up while being chased and going up the normal way was more viable
baboon hawks at the rocks
that alone made adamance much more enjoyable
tawdry spruce
WHAT
sharp finch
i mean
chameleon has less than half that number of asset bundles
and is already kind of big
i feel
unless im misremembering
tawdry spruce
110mb for like 40 assetbundles
this is nothing short
sharp finch
i feel like 110mb for how much stuff is in code rebirth is "probably fine?"
tawdry spruce
of criminal
obtuse mortar
i feel like 110mb for how much stuff is in code rebirth is "probably fine?"
Oh yeah 100%, I'm just messing with s1ckboy, I've told him most of what he needed to know for optimising stuff other than his useless sound degrading tips
All I'm missing is learning some static batching stuff for my flora
sharp finch
i feel like 110mb for how much stuff is in code rebirth is "probably fine?"
12 asset bundles and 14mb
chameleon
loll
obtuse mortar
25mb two interiors
Damn hes good
tawdry spruce
dude some of the oldest crap has like
the best file size
did you know the old christmas village moon was literally like
a couple hundred KILOBYTES?
obtuse mortar
bro generates his textures through code
He probably just really smart about using one or two textures for everything
tawdry spruce
i saw the .lem for it
sharp finch
dungeon is really samey yeah
i imagine most of the props in it and the sewer are atlas'd as well
they are pretty low res
obtuse mortar
Coderebirth has like 160 unique flowers and the reason they're one of my lowest in size is because there's only like 4 materials cuz textures get overused, I think anyway
crude valley
Scoopy’s stuff is also all handmade so more focused
sand rivet
Oh yeah 100%, I'm just messing with s1ckboy, I've told him most of what he neede...
Im not recommending that to anyone and im not doing that to most of my stuff
obtuse mortar
Im not recommending that to anyone and im not doing that to most of my stuff
ill always hold it over your head for recommending it atleast once
sand rivet
sand rivet
25mb two interiors
Look at Melanie’s interiors 
obtuse mortar
2 high quality interiors for 3mb
sand rivet
2 high quality interiors for 3mb
Its insane, tho I havent tried them, Im guessing theres not many tiles just yet but still the filesize for 2 interiors to be 3 mb is godlike (Mel also told me the second interior added almost nothing which I have no idea how she did it)
ruby crow
well the materials in the museum are fairly simple
obtuse mortar
there's a decent number of tiles, and the first interior has a few puzzle like structures
sand rivet
well the materials in the museum are fairly simple
Fair
brave lotus
marble hill
why do moon creators insist on not adding screenshots??
i know, right?
like from a user perspective, i obviously wanna know what it looks like before i download it, and from a creator perspective I can't imagine spending hours of hard work making my own moon and then not show it off even a little bit when publishing it
woven tiger
to make an image show up you have to link it in the readme
which i suppose it can be a bit annoying to upload a screenshot to another site
sinful jungle
im sorry.. he was too op
fucking annoying ASSHOLE kept ruining my runs
by waddling onto the ship and then eating all our scrap
obtuse mortar
You'll enjoy the janitor then, it definitely won't do that
sand rivet
Gib him bek 
sand rivet
OK ILL ADD HIM BACK HOLY SHIT
good good 
obtuse mortar
OK ILL ADD HIM BACK HOLY SHIT
It's okay there's actually a really easy way to stay fine, turns out you can ignore that s1ckboy guy in advance
If you just declare early on you're ignoring him in advance he can't do anything
sand rivet
pre-ignore is just way too cruel
brave lotus
It's okay there's actually a really easy way to stay fine, turns out you can ign...
whos that
?
i see Noone
sand rivet
wild brook
hello ! can I request this specific post to be removed on a custom scene on rend?
sinful jungle
hello ! can I request this specific post to be removed on a custom scene on rend...
huh?
i dont touch rend's scene tho! :P
wait are you asking me to edit rend for this purpose?
i would rather not 😅
i would either have to remove the post through code (bleh) or add an entirely new scene just for this one change
wild brook
wait are you asking me to edit rend for this purpose?
yeah but if its not possible dont mind then 😅
wild brook
thats the side of magnet for the cruiser
wild brook
yep
sinful jungle
ah i see
hmm
eh what the hell, I could look into it
maybe i can just find the object and move it to the right a bit
wild brook
its not much of a priority but thanks anyways ! love your mod ❤️
sinful jungle
yee
big ship is kinda funny so i wouldnt mind making accommodations for it xP i just didnt understand what was happenin here
crude valley
you asked the bigger ship mod dev first tho right
sinful jungle
idk if they'd be willing to like
do scene changes tho
thats already kinda my forte here so i wouldnt necessarily mind
i dont see the harm in it really
crude valley
oh forsure just ideally if they think its a problem to solve on their end would be better there
wild brook
thats already kinda my forte here so i wouldnt necessarily mind
thats what I think too so I asked here
sinful jungle
you should def let them know tho
oh i could even do a check if the biggership mod is active to do the change
honestly maybe i should do a pull request
on their end
tawdry spruce
hello ! can I request this specific post to be removed on a custom scene on rend...
I dont see the problem
sinful jungle
am i dumb is this not what the game normally looks like
sinful jungle
idek what would cause this
cus i don't change volume stuff on adamance
in emby it made sense cuz i was
sinful jungle
@crude valley help
crude valley
is that vanilla interior stuff
sinful jungle
yeah
crude valley
i do not know
sinful jungle
wtf would even
dense hull
rebalanced moons
i thought this was just because i increased the resolution of my game
sinful jungle
thats my only guess
zenith dust
did you land on embrion b4 this
no
dense hull
i didnt know it was actually like exclusive to rebalanced moon's scenes
obtuse mortar
isnt there some foggyiness thing where some fog takes priority?
obtuse mortar
vanilla is also with the foggy weather outside
hence outside foggy would make it less foggy inside
i could be wrong
heard it from @sand rivet
sinful jungle
rebalanced moons
@sharp finch do you know how volume stuff works in interiors
where does the fog come from and is it influenced by the surface at all
zenith dust
modding magic
sharp finch
i havent looked into it and cant look right now sorry
sinful jungle
no worries
was just wondering
sorry
well
sorry jack but im stumped
i dont know what the issue is
zenith dust
its not a big issue and sometimes it is cool but it would be better if it had some sort of way to replicate it on purpose or disable it
the main reason I sent the 2nd video was because I wanted to prove that it wasn't just on embrion
sinful jungle
then that means it isnt an issue with me modifying embrions volumes
dense hull
its not a big issue and sometimes it is cool but it would be better if it had so...
it's been somewhat disorientating for me, i'd prefer it be fixed or be made an option
sinful jungle
I cant fix it if I don't know what the issue is
zenith dust
it's been somewhat disorientating for me, i'd prefer it be fixed or be made an o...
yeah I think fixing it should be the main thing then after trying to recreate it in a more controllable way
dense hull
i think the issue is just a clay surgeon on embrion taking a fat wiff of a vape
zenith dust
because I do like the idea of fog inside maybe in embrion or other moons to make the interior more different
sinful jungle
this would be a lot easier for me to fix if i knew what volumes controlled the fogginess indoors
crude valley
id look at the audioreverbtriggers
sinful jungle
yea
ur right
@zenith dust can you check if offense is also fcked
at some point
zenith dust
it seems to be somewhat random or maybe effected by weathers
gleaming pilot
I think this mod isn’t letting me change the interiors properly, but only on some moons like March.
I’ve added a new interior to it but I can’t get rid of Mineshaft or Mansion using LLL.
zenith dust
did you do the rebalanced moons march or the vanilla one?
since it technically makes a duplicate march for the changes to be made
rancid gale
I think I was able to edit the RBMs themselves (before I realized this ^) and still have those edits, not entirely sure though if they work fully as expected
Used LQ btw
But yeah prolly best to edit the vanilla scene
gleaming pilot
since it technically makes a duplicate march for the changes to be made
Right, it uses different characters for the modded moons. I didn’t have this problem before so I’ll just reinstall and see if it uses the pre-existing weights.
gleaming pilot
Right, it uses different characters for the modded moons. I didn’t have this pro...
Okay, I straight up can’t remove Mineshaft or Mansion from March.
dense hull
Did you set their weights to 0?
gleaming pilot
Tried removing them, tried setting them to 0, made sure the text was using the correct characters. Seems like those two weights cannot be changed at all.
sinful jungle
I think this mod isn’t letting me change the interiors properly, but only on som...
turn off interior overrides for march
if you do not turn that off in the config then it'll continue to do that
sinful jungle
Did you set their weights to 0?
ergo this does not matter
if the setting is on then it'll change the weights again when the ship lands
dense hull
ah
sinful jungle
Rebalanced Manul
cinder jackal
thought it was interior fog...
sinful jungle
nah interior fog is a lot worse
cinder jackal
honestly thats what it should have been rn its bullshit
sinful jungle
yeah
i kinda agree
should i do a mod that changes it
xd
i kinda hate the one that just removes it entirely
cinder jackal
Rebalanced fog
sinful jungle
i might just include it in rebalancedmoons
but idk
eh ill just push this update for now
sinful jungle
i saw a deleted message here so i assume they figured it out but ill reiterate anyways
this mod is super duper compatible with chameleon
they make out like gay lovers
no, i do not regret my choice of wording
but yeah if anyone wants a more indepth explanation of how this works under the hood, heres a diagram that demonstrates the process
gleaming pilot
sinful jungle
love wins 💗
languid fiber
Huh so that's the mod page means by "utilizing LethalLevelLoader to replace some", I was wondering why tf in my LethalQuantities UI there's duplicate entries for most of the vanilla moons
Like so
ruby crow
im pretty sure vanilla scenes stay in game
ship just gets routed to the modded versions
sinful jungle
not necessarily
languid fiber
Uh random question but considering the duplicate scenes, if I add the moon name onto the list of eligible moons for LLL, will I need to add the moon name twice or will it scream at me for there being two
Or can I just do one and boom, it, somehow applies to both
sinful jungle
my mod uses the duplicate entries as a basis for the stats (and the scene) and then it applies everything to the vanilla moons
they arent registered in the terminal
sinful jungle
Adding moons for modded interiors I mean
im pretty sure u just add the vanilla moon names
i forgot and i can't check rn
languid fiber
Nah it's all good, I'll give it a shot when editing my modpack and report if anything weird happens
sinful jungle
but if you need a list of the duplicate entries (they use cyrillic letters to appear the same but they're actually different) they're at the bottom of my config
ruby crow
doesnt centralconfig have some compat with rebalanced?
languid fiber
but if you need a list of the duplicate entries (they use cyrillic letters to ap...
Gotcha, thanks for the pointer
sinful jungle
doesnt centralconfig have some compat with rebalanced?
i have no clue what it does honestly that mod scares me
sinful jungle
ship just gets routed to the modded versions
but it doesnt work like this
my mod i mean
it still uses the vanilla selectable levels
it just changes the scene and all the properties
its all on github if you wanna check
looking for group
looking for players
looking for group players players LFG looking for players group
@cinder jackal how do i do it :(
cinder jackal
meow
summer pewter
sinful jungle
was the other one removed
cinder jackal
i think so..
sinful jungle
sadge
sinful jungle
i still need to add that line of code that makes you explode if you press W and your name is TulipNova
dense hull
the what
sinful jungle
i keep forgetting to do that
cunning steeple
same applies for weather tweaks btw
why are you french-kissing my child
dense hull
WHAT
dense hull
sinful jungle
maybe in the config you could make it so embrion always has the fog?
i mean
i didnt touch embrion's sky volume
its probably still foggy on embrion
zenith dust
cool then
cinder jackal
i still need to add that line of code that makes you explode if you press W and ...
GRR
zenith dust
maybe the fog could be tinted 1% purple
proper grotto
maybe the fog could be tinted 1% purple
sinful jungle
testing purple fog now :3
zenith dust
urple
sinful jungle
idk if this is too much (before/after) but holy shit its so pretty
@dense hull im letting you be the judge of this
lol i think this is too intense xd
dense hull
I don't ever usually like colored interiors, so my opinion will practically be useless
All I can say is that it should be a togglable
It looks nice, I guess
sinful jungle
the sky is already toggleable dumb
dense hull
I meant the fog
sinful jungle
one in the same
dense hull
Oh ok
dense hull
Probably considering they're two completely different artstyles
sinful jungle
nope, they come from the same hdri library
dense hull
What
sinful jungle
the ""artstyle"" you're seeing is 360 photos of real life places
and they come from the same library
that zeekerss got his from
dense hull
The ice moons and amethyst moons have two completely different aesthetics is what I'm saying 💔
One person might not like the other, but wants to keep the first
sinful jungle
how do i report this
dense hull
LMAO
sharp finch
I don't ever usually like colored interiors, so my opinion will practically be u...
just my opinion and i know this is kind of hypocritical coming off from chameleon
but i also kind of agree that interiors having colored fog looks weird
im not sure that i can pinpoint why
dense hull
Lithium being a prime example 💔
sharp finch
for me i was thinking more like infernis
dense hull
im not sure that i can pinpoint why
It just doesn't look as realistic compared to everything else in the game
sharp finch
and that other wesley moon with the red lights and the intercom that never shuts up
Lol
dense hull
Looks too abstract/surreal to me
sharp finch
hawalia also
dense hull
Hawalia just has fucked lighting
sharp finch
it is extremely blue on the inside
dense hull
That's not an aesthetic choice
zenith dust
lol i think this is too intense xd
I think the fog could be a less purple than that
dense hull
It's a bug
sharp finch
if it isn't intended it should be fixed
sinful jungle
i made it really intense to make sure it was working
sharp finch
i see
zenith dust
oh yeah
dense hull
if it isn't intended it should be fixed
Idk if it's getting updated anytime soon
sharp finch
i decreased it
i think subtle palette changes could look fine
zenith dust
i think subtle palette changes could look fine
I agree
sharp finch
but i think it'd be difficult to strike a balance between "not subtle enough" and "unnoticeable"
so i wish you luck
in any case i look forward to the screenshots
sinful jungle
unity editor time
i mean explorer
unity explorer time
that should make finding the right value easy
zenith dust
I think the main problem is the saturation
maybe something like this would be better
lavenderish color
sharp finch
unity explorer time
lol yeah
i did that a bunch for the water colors and door colors in chameleon
maybe iteration super quick and easy
sinful jungle
maybe something like this would be better
wait i fw this
idc if people hate it this looks like spooky
rn i have this
sharp finch
that looks good but i think it could be a bit more intense if you wanted
sinful jungle
maybe something like this would be better
i feel like this would be cooler on like
titan
or something
zenith dust
rn i have this
what does it look like on mansion embrion?
sinful jungle
idk one second
cinder jackal
that interior fog reminds me of this offense fog bug
cinder jackal
what happened!
cinder jackal
dense hull
one in the same
I just realized
If I want Embrion's custom int fog gone, that means the sunset skybox will go as well 💔
cinder jackal
cinder jackal
if i feel like it actually idk
muahahhah cursed with making you allow users to set the hex code of what the fog will be
sinful jungle
what does it look like on mansion embrion?
zenith dust
nice
cinder jackal
my slots have rubbed off onto you...
sinful jungle
muahahhah cursed with making you allow users to set the hex code of what the fog...
dude isnt there like
a mod for that already
cant betterfog do this or smth
wind marlin
yeah
cinder jackal
sinful jungle
yeah i kinda dont wanna do allat
dense hull
whatever fine ill make it a goddamn separate toggle
You don't have to do it, damn
sinful jungle
no i have to now
u dont get it
(i kid)
nah but its fine it shouldnt be that annoying to do
oh hello there
zenith dust
urple guy
cinder jackal
rushing to find the sped up barber clip..
dense hull
oh hello there
Random thought, but I wonder if Zeekerss based the barber's design off of the purple guy plush in the v50 intro
(It's not the FNaF Purple Guy, it's just a plush model literally called purple guy iIrc)
cinder jackal
rushing to find the sped up barber clip..
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974101195545280542/1280072975076429845/uncapped_uncapped_edit_1725263383575.mp4?ex=67817a9b&is=6780291b&hm=68d65d1728af82ab3a9a569a054dbfecc6e0fcb0b428ebfb1fadd4e095017872& couldn't find the overhaul one so this is the best we got...
sinful jungle
holy shit i kinda forgot how the vanilla barbers loook ingame xd
they're so plasticy
plastic barber x clay surgeon yaoi
what
why did i say that
cinder jackal
this is why i call them Plastic surgeon
dense hull
plastic barber x clay surgeon yaoi
My drawing
Lethal queers yearn for the clay barber yaoi
sinful jungle
this is why we are friends
cinder jackal
dense hull
cinder jackal
sinful jungle
@dense hull ok so good news
unity has a tickbox that i can control that just enables/disable the fog coloring
so it actually wont be difficult at all
sharp finch
Lol
sinful jungle
do not laugh at me i do not understand volume stuff..
😢
i assumed i would have to dynamically change the fog color and i just didnt feel like doing that lol
sharp finch
that's okay
i think i blacked out and posted "Lol" because i dont even know what that is in response to
if im being honest
sinful jungle
oh
they wanted an option to disable the fog color stuff and i was like wehhhhh im lazy
but i can still do that and be lazy so all is well
sharp finch
it is kind of nice
the overrides approach of render pipeline stuff
very convenient
sharp finch
it is not immediately intuitive to mod i think but it's nice to be able to cache settings and stuff even if you don't want to immediately use them
sinful jungle
if overrides are off
sharp finch
or just need a quick toggle on/off
sinful jungle
where does it get the valuje from
sharp finch
default settings
sinful jungle
oh
sharp finch
i think HDRP has an asset assigned in project settings with the default values
if i remember right
dense hull
Dopadream, have u ever played Subbernautica
sinful jungle
i know nothing abt the modding scene :p
dense hull
Oh ok
snow kite
im not sure that i can pinpoint why
Little late to this but I agree with no liking colored fog on moons. I mean irl forests do not have green fog and deserts not have yellow fog so it just feels weird. Maybe Embrion could have a light pink gee because of amethyst particles in the air idk how that works.
Only haunted moons like Espira pull it off well for obvious reasons imo
sinful jungle
Little late to this but I agree with no liking colored fog on moons. I mean irl ...
no offense but im kinda throwing these "realism" arguments out the window because vanilla march has purple tinted fog and adamance has yellow fog :P
zenith dust
I thought it was green on adamance?
sinful jungle
eh
its like
a greenish yellow
anyways
this isnt visible inside because its done through an actual physical volume
im pretty sure the sky volume is global
so
this is what i have right now, i think it looks nice honestly
wind marlin
puke yellow
sinful jungle
its really subtle and optional
sinful jungle
puke yellow
yeah adamance lowkey looks like '
diseased
idk why lol
its kinda funny
sinful jungle
yum!
snow kite
no offense but im kinda throwing these "realism" arguments out the window becaus...
True, but vanilla has it be very subtle and match the soil color. It is not like some modded moons where it feels like the skybox bleeds into the interior
woven tiger
idk if this is too much (before/after) but holy shit its so pretty
it looks absolutely amazing on the surface but i don't think it should be inside
woven tiger
and that other wesley moon with the red lights and the intercom that never shuts...
you're thinking of gratar...
sinful jungle
im not using that color anymore
sinful jungle
.
sinful jungle
dense hull
Barbie moon
snow kite
It is a little strong imo, tone it down a teeny bit and it will be perfect
zenith dust
It is a little strong imo, tone it down a teeny bit and it will be perfect
maybe the current color could be used for eclipses (if thats possible?)
zenith dust
ok
rancid gale
Are we tweaking fog colors or am I taking this outta context?
rancid gale
Ohhh neat
crude valley
imagine colour starts to fade when your the only person left
sinful jungle
~~imagine colour starts to fade when your the only person left~~
i could do a light flicker rpc when theres only one player alive and then it dims
woven tiger
<@235439745486815233> this is so menacing
how did you do this???
sinful jungle
code
woven tiger
ah, scary
dense hull
boo! 5 lines of code!
DONT SAY THAT SHIT MAN, THAT SHIT SCARY
snow kite
Excuse me for being a dumb dumb but what is happening here? Are you just increasing the contrast on the lighting or something to make it super dark?
sinful jungle
its for titan
im gonna do a thing where like
when only one player is left the lights flicker and then they get dimmer
at like a 50% chance or something
snow kite
Reminds me of insanity remastered, as that mod had mechanics related to lights
Dimming lights is a fun horror feature
snow kite
<@235439745486815233> this is so menacing
This without the flickering is something I would not mind in Chameleon
The more I look at it the better it gets
sinful jungle
~~imagine colour starts to fade when your the only person left~~
this is so heat thank you for this idea
people are going to HAAAATE this
and i do not care one bit Lmao
crude valley
yippeeee
snow kite
Make casuals realize Titan is not the best moon, always a W
snow kite
It does make Titan harder, if only a little
I bet some people will not like that
Casuals just worship Titan I find
snow kite
True
sharp finch
to be honest i dont see many casuals praising titan
in the first place
titan used to be so good it was worth the praise
and there was a really long adjustment period after titan got big nerfs and other planets like rend got buffs
wind marlin
was it ever the meta moon
sharp finch
where i guess "casuals" would've still seen it as the best
sharp finch
was it ever the meta moon
arguably before v45 it was the best moon
didn't spawn turrets
didn't spawn landmines
wasn't much larger than rend or dine when it generated factories
manor was way rarer
fall damage was always 20 flat damage regardless of distance (and thus could never kill)
sturdy pumice
@sinful jungle I think the poltergeist issue resolved itself. I’ve yet to test it with multiple players, but the lighting issue may have been due to the wrong fog being used on rebalanced levels.
sharp finch
titan got hit with a bunch of huge nerfs back to back while rend got a bunch of buffs in v45 and it pretty quickly became meta
sharp finch
and then artifice dropped and changed lethal endgame forever
lol, well, in fairness i only played lethal company v40 the day before v45 released and we didn't make it to rend until after that
so im just talking from a standpoint of purely technical knowledge
not actual experience
maybe it really did still suck but im doubtful
wind marlin
shrug
snow kite
Casuals like Titan because the easy exterior means they can hope for a good seed instead of getting good at the game
I mean even HQ solo is just gambling for Titan seeds so not much has changed
wind marlin
ehh
sharp finch
i would argue enjoying titan is way less casual than enjoying rend or dine
... well, maybe not dine as of v60
wind marlin
I can imagine it was more liked because it was the most expensive
sharp finch
but titan has fucked up spawn rates and the verticality isn't a freebie anymore
fall damage can kill you or at least seriously maim you
climbing up stairs is way slower
snow kite
Maybe my view is slanted causal friends (around 6 of them) insisted Titan was better than v56 Artifice
sharp finch
i think zeekerss intends to put them on par with each other
but in its current spot i think artifice still beats out titan pretty easily
i think titan is pretty good as of v50
and it's still okay in v69 although the boosted mineshaft chances from v64 can hurt
titan is definitely the hardest moon except for like, dine, maybe? so if you're putting up with it i think that's less casual, if anything
snow kite
Toss up between Titan and Embrion for hardest moon imo, depends on if you have Jetpack
sharp finch
embrion is pretty easy with a car