#RebalancedMoons + Atlas
charred turret
cinder jackal
oh god is march at negative credits LOL
dense hull
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1189973207608995991/1249836361595490434/b...
Who fucking made this
charred turret
stan did
dense hull
Peak
cinder jackal
sinful jungle
wtf
that osunds like selene choice being weird
but idk
anyways
yes so the weather from the cyrillic named planet will never load
its not supposed to
this is intentional
otherwise weathers would mismatch
brave lotus
yes so the weather from the cyrillic named planet will never load
you mean the other way?
the one i have selected in the text editor there, with foggy, is using the normal a
normal march has foggy and its being chosen, and it was gonna give me money
sinful jungle
yes and the terminal says fog
brave lotus
the one with cyrilic is theone on blackout, that wasnt chosen in the terminal
sinful jungle
i dont see what you're getting at
sinful jungle
it routes to the vanilla moon
but the vanilla moons scene is replaced with the scene from the cyrillic one
brave lotus
and thats intended?
sinful jungle
yes
brave lotus
oooh
ok assumed it worked differently
that you disabled the vanilla moon and put your clone in its place
alright this mod wouldnt be at fault then i take it
for the free money
sinful jungle
that you disabled the vanilla moon and put your clone in its place
naww
the only thing i change is dine's price
in regards to the terminal nodes
brave lotus
alr awesome
warped timber
I only installed this mod with its dependencies and it seems like that the vanilla moons still get loaded. Like there is no bridge in March or the water tower in Offense and March is missing. Am I missing something?
sinful jungle
i dont really know what could possibly be causing that tbh. sceneselection has been giving me a lot of jank
warped timber
It always picks the vanilla moons. I don't know, if this happened to anyone here, haven't really found someone pointing that out, or I am blind
sinful jungle
ill get a patch out later today regarding issues with interior selection with the setting off hopefully
zenith dust
I'm pretty sure this is more foggy?
sinful jungle
b side
zenith dust
hhumanoid music
dense hull
Ah
zenith dust
I'm pretty sure this is more foggy?
this was on embrion btw
sinful jungle
I'm pretty sure this is more foggy?
can you test again with the hdri skies setting off
zenith dust
sure
sinful jungle
doesnt require restart i thinks
sinful jungle
i kinda dig it tbh
zenith dust
maybe you could make a mod that makes the fog event like that
sinful jungle
yeah
i wanted to make a less dense indoor fog mod
because i hate the mod that just flat out removes it
zenith dust
the fog event is a cool idea its just not executed that well
ruby crow
hhumanoid is my friend btw
tell them i said hi
dense hull
Same
zenith dust
can you test again with the hdri skies setting off
it was defogged
zenith dust
it could be fun for it to be kept on embrion at least until the fog mod exists
zenith dust
I'll see
sinful jungle
this bug should also theoretically affect that
fierce stirrup
THIS FUCKING ROCK
Agree
fierce stirrup
thanjk you
dense hull
I rlly like these songs because they sound like something out of LSD: Dream Emulator
and it's one of my favorite games of all time
zenith dust
I thought I saw it on offense once before?
but then I checked again and it didn't exist
zenith dust
the thing is I know its somehow related to this mod since I've only seen it on the scene replaced versions and it only showed up after downloading it
zenith dust
I wanna say again that both of these building redesigns are really cool
zenith dust
Agree
oh wait that reminds me, you should complain about not having the modder role again since it was taken away for no reason
fierce stirrup
GIVE ME THE ROLE
zenith dust
amazing
olive plover
Hey
was embrion also changed somehow? @sinful jungle
I'm generally the most problematic person here with my modpack, I've noticed the desynchronization of the dungeon on this planet, but it's not the fact that rebalancemoons is to blame π₯Ί
just help me study the logs, maybe they will point to something.
zenith dust
jeez all the problems are with embrion now
olive plover
not only the embryo, but also other rebalance cards, and maybe not rebalance, I have no idea.
I just had a problem with Out of Sync and without rebalance, but rarely, and now I decided to add them to my modpack, because the theme is cool.
Damn it, I'm drunk after the holidays and I'm trying to report this mistake. π
π©LETHAL_LONERS: 019426a0-d4c0-e71f-f34b-3abb0dcd10f4
It was all on this build code for the last time.
full pelican
It is funny though how despite many people complaining about the filesize (which is what happens when you just copy paste the games assets), noone else has made a smaller mod yet
sharp finch
i didnt notice it until terra pointed it out
but new dine is just old dine's terrain with a couple more hills added, the ship rotated 180 degrees, and then he moved the dropship and fire exit (and removed the path of lights)
sinful jungle
It is funny though how despite many people complaining about the filesize (which...
you can copy and paste a single scene without it being 100+ megabytes i promise
sharp finch
i thought zeekerss intentionally modelled the fire exit hill in new dine before he moved it elsewhere
but its more like he just never removed the fire exit hill
sinful jungle
It is funny though how despite many people complaining about the filesize (which...
i made a smaller mod
i have copied 5 vanilla scenes and they're all like 65mb in total
sharp finch
i am genuinely curious how the scene can be so much larger
did you use crunch compression in ur mod
sinful jungle
the whole mod is 80mb because of other assets i included in separate bundles
yes, 1024x, also they probably didnt use blank references
tawdry spruce
Show me your ways
full pelican
what did you use for that? All I did was duplicate the scene in Unity and then put it all into an assetbundle and lethallevelloader bundle thingy
sharp finch
textures are absolutely huge
sharp finch
what did you use for that? All I did was duplicate the scene in Unity and then p...
limit texture size where you dont need higher fidelity (you can set a size limit in import settings) and enable crunch compression on "just about everything"
sinful jungle
what did you use for that? All I did was duplicate the scene in Unity and then p...
you have to make blank references for every scriptable object used in the level
and remove the dungeon flow from the system object
or it will tank your filesize
full pelican
Yeah I figured that I could just delete the stuff that should already be in the game
sharp finch
iirc crunch is bad for stuff you are loading on the fly, but if you precache everything that doesnt load with the scene itself it shouldnt cause hitches
full pelican
but I don't know exactly how to do that, how to remove references without removing the scripts themselves
sharp finch
you have to make blank references for every scriptable object used in the level
then yeah
LLL already replaces enemies based on name so you dont have to include dupes in your bundles
full pelican
Is there some list where you can see currently existing scripts so that I don't have to go through every single object and check?
sharp finch
Is there some list where you can see currently existing scripts so that I don't ...
you cant remove the scripts but those arent causing you issues to begin with
scripts are fine
sinful jungle
Is there some list where you can see currently existing scripts so that I don't ...
im talking abt like
the references to enemys, scraps, etc
sharp finch
the problem is referencing enemy types, interiors, etc. beczuse it has to pack all of the related assets into your bundle
sinful jungle
all the stuff that spawns in the level
full pelican
Yeah I know how it works like that, but I don't know how to systematically remove the references without having to manually go through every single object to find them
sinful jungle
giant rocks, pumpkins etc
oh
i did it manually lol
i have no idea
i just was really patient
full pelican
When I made the mod I was kind of banking on someone else making a better version (since I was already kind of annoyed that noone had made one in the 2 months since the update), but it never really happened
theres the TonightWeDine, but it instead mixes the old and new by manually placing objects
and it replaces the moons, while the one I made adds the old one as a separate moon
full pelican
Is "Audio Knight" starlancer
sharp finch
the demand is just "a way to play v49 dine in v50+" and your mod addresses that demand
the only thing that can be improved is technical optimization (like decreasing filesize, as discussed)
full pelican
And also the v60 dropship thing
sharp finch
and i dont think anybody is going to reupload an identical mod just with optimized filesize
full pelican
which idk what to do with since the mod should be able to function in all versions (which it currently does), but if you want to use it in recent ones then the separate dropship mod is needed
sharp finch
the dropship is just missing some references because zeekerss added new stuff to the prefab in v55
but when unity compiles scene it automatically unpacks ("flattens") prefabs into gameobjects
sinful jungle
Is "Audio Knight" starlancer
Yes
He goes very in depth on what exactly you do need and don't need
its a very comprehensive video and saved me major headaches
cinder jackal
the fog :o
vital tree
is this compatible with MapImprovements?
anytime i try loading in Dine (even with this mods dine turned off), it errors and breaks the game
does not happen with any other overlapped moon, like adamance (both this mod and mapImprovements modify Adamance and they work together just fine)
the error originates from MapImprovements but i cant seem to find a thread or anything to troubleshoot that particular error
dense hull
Don't use RM rn anyways
If you're playing multiplayer, that is
Dine, and I believe(?) Embrion causes interior desyncs
vital tree
good to know π
dense hull
But yeah, I also have the same problem with MapImprovements and RebalancedMoons
Idk why MapImprovements force loads Dopa's Dine scene
Which sucks, because I love her other moon scene changes
rancid gale
I thought it was patched though? Or was it just march
dense hull
Not released to Thunderstore yet
mental breach
@sinful jungle so there's a bug with Rebalanced Titan lol, seems like clients can sometimes see the 3rd fire exit inside when it's off but it can't be used lol
sinful jungle
<@717509908479868999> so there's a bug with Rebalanced Titan lol, seems like cli...
yeaa i know π i figured that out and also im pretty sure i know why, ty
dense hull
MapImprovements now utilizes LethalLevelLoader
Could u consider compatibility between your mod and it?
mental breach
Could u consider compatibility between your mod and it?
I mean you could probably just see if it works with TonightWeDine if you really want a different scene, there is no reason for compat between the 2 to be added since this mod already improves a handful of moon scenes
It's better to use MapImprovements for the ones that aren't covered in this imo
dense hull
Both of them have their quirks, and it'd nice if you could mash them together since MapImprovement's Dine main entrance and Dopa's lamps and second fire exit work together pretty well
If you ultimately can't use both at the same time, I'd also just want to use Dopa's March scene without Dine shitting itself in general π
mental breach
I personally disabled the March Scene but kept the bridge
mental breach
Btw is it intended that March never seems to spawn the Facility now?
It's always Mineshaft
Sometimes Mansion
lol
snow kite
I think so
mental breach
I was wondering if maybe it's a bug due to the size change
dense hull
Yeah, I don't see a weight for March in the Mineshaft's stats here
Experimentation:3,Assurance:40,Vow:250,Adamance:135,Rend:50,Dine:140,Offense:200,Titan:115,Artifice:213,Embrion:44
rancid gale
I'm not sure if it's a mod incompatibility, but when I updated past 1.4.9 this happened...
dense hull
What moon?
rancid gale
Actually lemme test the other moons
dense hull
What
wind marlin
Experimentation:3,Assurance:40,Vow:250,Adamance:135,Rend:50,Dine:140,Offense:200...
no it's there
dense hull
Shrug
snow kite
I heard from Terraformer that apparently Mineshaft is on average 2.22 times the size of factory so I hope that has been accounted for 
Mineshaft March will give you v49 Mansion Titan flashbacks
dense hull
I heard from Terraformer that apparently Mineshaft is on average 2.22 times the ...
That's unfortunately true
It's abysmal, I tell you
This is how I nerfed it
From 18-22 down to 13-16
snow kite
The instant I heard that I went into Cent Config and made Mineshaft have a 2.0 size debuff similar to how Mansion has a 1.5 debuff in vanilla for my modpack
dense hull
Based
snow kite
+6 scrap is not gonna fix that π
How Zeekerss did not nerf its size when the provisions for doing so already exists is crazy
dense hull
IDK
He does some backwards-ass bandaid fixes for some reason
First with barbers, and now the Mineshaft
sinful jungle
Could u consider compatibility between your mod and it?
if it changes scenes then no
sorry
kind horizon
He does some backwards-ass bandaid fixes for some reason
Thereβs a method to his madness I tell you
sinful jungle
anyways im working on that fabled update now
sorry for the waait
also
blanca
as someone who now understands what its like to work with these things
cut zeek some slack man π
you always are complaining about how he does things but consider he has the entirety of the game's codebase to maintain as a single dev so sometimes shit just gets overlooked or he chooses the easiest option and moves on
rancid gale
Ok, so:
(After 1.4.9 in my modpack)
-
Experimentation (Desync) β
-
Assurance (Desync) β
-
Vow (Fine) β
-
Offense (Desync) β
-
March (Desync) β
-
Adamance (Fine) β
-
Embrion (Desync) β
-
Rend (Fine) β
-
Dine (Desync) β
-
Titan (Fine) β
-
Artifice (Fine) β
sinful jungle
titan should also desync
rancid gale
Whether this is because of LQ present I'll have to find out after eating
sinful jungle
wait
exp
what
i literally do not touch experimentation with a 12 foot pole
thats something else on ur end
im sure of it
rancid gale
Yeah imma keep digging
mental breach
Yeah I only had the desync on Titan
sinful jungle
yeah its a bug with the sceneselection thing in LLL i think
sinful jungle
it tells the client that they're on the modded moon but the host they're on the vanilla one
prolly today
i just wanna fix up the function so that it overwrites the vanilla interior selections only and not modded ones too
so that its all seamless
mental breach
Fair lol, I was wondering why my modded interiors essentially stopped showing up
sinful jungle
yeah that wasnt necessarily intentional
mental breach
Also March seems to never wanna spawn the Facility right now as I mentioned
it seems to prioritze Mineshaft
mental breach
Yeah
mental breach
I wonder if the size was reduced too much
mental breach
Cus I know if you reduce the size by a certain degree some interiors just fail to generate
Hmmm, well if there's other moons that use 1.8 and generate Facility that should fix it
sinful jungle
Hmmm, well if there's other moons that use 1.8 and generate Facility that should...
I meant the current build on thunderstore uses 1.8
and there are, yes
mental breach
Ah yeah it could be something else then
sinful jungle
anyways it Sucks that this happened while i was sick lol
has slowed things down a bit
mental breach
Also you should probably update the readme to saay that XD
sinful jungle
mhm i will
mental breach
anyways it Sucks that this happened while i was sick lol
Getting sick in general is never fun
sinful jungle
yeah i got some bs flu or something
right on new years too lmao
happy new year you're bedridden
mental breach
Btw I was thinking
Since Blizzard can happen on March, I wonder if the pit terrain could be adjusted a little with the scene override to make it manageable to get out if it knocks you onto the Ice Lake
Cus I've had people get knocked down there with no way out
Lmao
sinful jungle
blizzard?
oh yeah
hmm
i mean, wouldn't that happen on march anyways if you just fell normally
regardless if the bridge was there
i feel like thats something the creator should've thought about xP
like maybe the ice breaks after a while or something
mental breach
Lol could be funny
sinful jungle
anyways, i could try to look into that, couldn't hurt i suppose
rancid gale
The trusty extension ladder does work
tawdry spruce
yeah reblanced moons is kinda just
not working for me rn
there's an error i'm getting involving chameleon though
I think the problem's that the compatibility code added for it is conflicting with that fact that I don't have the mod to begin with
sinful jungle
wtf
tawdry spruce
yeah
sinful jungle
oh noes
tawdry spruce
remember it is just a guess though
i'm bouta test it with chameleon to see if it works now
sinful jungle
no yeah you're right dw
you dont need to test
this error is bc cham isnt installed
which
shouldnt be happening
the code should just not be running
i think its because i did using Chameleon.Info; in the compat class
idk
snow kite
you always are complaining about how he does things but consider he has the enti...
I agree that he needs to be given some credit, hence why I only critique him in cases like this where his solution is truly baffling
Instead of reusing the solution he made for Mansion Titan in v50 he codes a new, less effective mechanic. He is doing more work for a worse result. A few parts of the game kinda feel like this, working harder but not smarter
mental breach
you always are complaining about how he does things but consider he has the enti...
Yeah it's unfair to be harsh on him, everyone has different experiences with code and the game is also still Early Access
sinful jungle
Instead of reusing the solution he made for Mansion Titan in v50 he codes a new,...
I'm sorry but this is just false
when mineshaft was new the majority of the feedback he got in the discord was "theres not enough scrap"
so he added like, a two line code to add more scrap to mineshaft
its not that deep bro
mental breach
Instead of reusing the solution he made for Mansion Titan in v50 he codes a new,...
Mineshaft is fine and if you don't like how it is in Vanilla you should just use RebalancedMineshaft which improves it to feel just a little bit better by allowing some scrap to spawn outside of the caves
dense hull
you always are complaining about how he does things but consider he has the enti...
Idk how to feel about that when it kind of sours my experience with the base game
dense hull
What
sinful jungle
if it sours the experience for you then use mods or play something else
because there are a ton of people that love the game for what it is
so obviously he is doing something right
sharp finch
Instead of reusing the solution he made for Mansion Titan in v50 he codes a new,...
Instead of reusing the solution he made for Mansion Titan in v50 he codes a new, less effective mechanic.
also to be clear it's not like he forgot it existed
dense hull
I guess I can't have an opinion on a game I'm passionate about??
sharp finch
he intentionally set mineshaft to use a smaller tilesize than 1 (which actually makes it larger than the other interiors)
sinful jungle
you absolutely can but the constant negativity has become a tired joke at this point
sharp finch
i have never been too sure why but my guess is just that some of the cave tiles are so small he wanted to compensate for it
ruby crow
even with the tiny bugs the game has words cant explain how astonished i am that this game was made by one person
sharp finch
even though it results in the tunnel sections and some of the larger tiles (like the massive split with the ramp) making the overall size pretty huge
dense hull
I wouldn't say tiny, but it's still impressive and high-quality despite that. Things could've been just done better
mental breach
I wouldn't say tiny, but it's still impressive and high-quality despite that. Th...
I think the game is fine as it is
and you should stop being negative and nit picking
sharp finch
zeekerss has a lot of stuff he has to take care of to make the game get done, and i don't like how often the community piles these massive expectations on top of him, especially if they are deep within the modding community and able to fix those problems themselves
at this point you dont even really need to develop mods to fix things cuz almost everything major has a mod that already exists to fix it
to be clear this is not just an issue blanca is responsible for
also
it is kind of an annoyingly common sentiment
mental breach
Yeah
I just think people shouldn't be so harsh on Zeekerss
Stuff like this is why games as good as this rarely release nowadays too, devs don't wanna deal with all the negative feedback
sharp finch
i have my personal gripes with some of the stuff he has/hasn't done
and im pretty sure im not perfect either
mental breach
Yeah everyone will have some gripes
sharp finch
i probably let my sarcasm show too much when im talking about offense/dine balance for the 5th time
mental breach
But constantly being Negative doesn't help anything
sharp finch
but i think there is this weird dev vs community thing going on with lethal company that has absolutely harmed the game before and i don't like feeding into it for that reason
the kidnapper fox being (most likely) perma-scrapped did not happen by coincidence
the streamline jetpack feature existing at all kind of leaves a weird taste in my mouth
ruby crow
yea what a shame its gone
hopefully some day zeek becomes comfortable enough to re-add the fox
mental breach
The Kidnapper Fox could have been fixed so easily and it annoys me to no end the community hated on it as much as they did
sharp finch
zeekerss commented on patreon his "highs" for the year were the mineshaft and embrion, even though community response to both has been generally quite negative
etc.
mental breach
The issues with the Fox were always how the shroud system worked and how it just had a habit of ship camping too much
ruby crow
i think the mineshaft is decent even without rebalancedmineshaft
mental breach
both would have been fixable
sharp finch
anyways sorry for soapboxing in your thread dopadream
i just woke up and got a bit carried away
ruby crow
i think the mineshaft is decent even without rebalancedmineshaft
the layout can get just a bit annoying but its overall a decent interior
adds more variety and has a nice theme
mental breach
i think the mineshaft is decent even without rebalancedmineshaft
I agree, RebalancedMineshaft just kind of fixes a few glaring issues with it
sharp finch
mineshaft is definitely not perfect and i think it's fair to criticize it for the flaws it presents
sharp finch
Instead of reusing the solution he made for Mansion Titan in v50 he codes a new,...
what just irks me personally (pet peeve, i guess) is a statement like this
ruby crow
my favorite part about it is the theme its going for
i really love the empty abandoned style and zeek perfected it
mental breach
I mean it feels like something that could have just been modded into the game and if it was a modded Interior people would shit on it way less
People only dogpile on it cus they expect better from Zeekerss
I agree Mineshaft isn't perfect but that's why mods came out to change it
sharp finch
what just irks me personally (pet peeve, i guess) is a statement like this
the fact that zeekerss reused the tile size variable he used to scale manors means he was aware that it existed... the +6 scrap thing was an intentional decision and acting like it was an accident or lazy substitution for "a proper fix" frustrates me a bit
feels like a lack of parity between developer intent and community expectation being conflated for malice
sharp finch
anyways sorry for soapboxing in your thread dopadream
anyways for real im done. sorry
zenith dust
zeekerss commented on patreon his "highs" for the year were the mineshaft and em...
embrion is amazing
dense hull
"Embrion is amazing!"
Embrion in question: /j
zenith dust
war
I remember when v50 first came out and I saw the "listen for the old bird's call" and I thought that we were actually gonna go to a warzone type moon
rancid gale
sinful jungle
ye
sinful jungle
i quite dislike how vanilla dungen branches into one main path. i want to integrate dungenplus into vanilla dungeons sometime down the line but that'll be a different mod
sand rivet
RebalancedInteriors coming soon? 
zenith dust
that would be cool
sharp finch
i quite dislike how vanilla dungen branches into one main path. i want to integr...
does it not already have support for this?
sinful jungle
No
sinful jungle
It's just an api
sharp finch
i see
sinful jungle
even with rebalanced mineshaft as good as it is
on march with 1.8 interior size its quite long
sharp finch
same size as dineshaft
and the +6 means a lot more for march, which has a much smaller base loot count
sinful jungle
and there are 3 fires
sharp finch
march is kind of chronically empty though
dense hull
same size as dineshaft
Dineshaft..,
sharp finch
march is kind of chronically empty though
so i feel like this is kinda "what's new" at the end of the day
dense hull
march is kind of chronically empty though
Much like my brain
snow kite
@sharp finch @sinful jungle I want to say now, I am sorry for kicking the hornetβs nest with my remarks about the Mineshaft.
I figured us all being here meant us loving the game was a given, but I guess not. I never meant to be a cynic or hater, but I suppose I do mention ways the game can be improved more often than things it does well. I will keep it in mind and try to be more constructive.
To clarify my stance, my only problem with Mineshaft is it being oversized, everything else is fine imo and I think Terraβs mod swings too far in the other direction. Zeekerss is not lazy, in fact he is putting in way more effort than needed, effort I argue was put in the wrong place. He obviously is talented and motivated, but simplicity does not seem to be his strong suit
sinful jungle
huh
sharp finch
<@235439745486815233> <@717509908479868999> I want to say now, I am sorry for ki...
lol
well
soapboxing aside im not angry at anybody
it is a pet peeve of mine and i did want to voice it but i don't think it's that serious
sharp finch
it's true
snow kite
I have a tendency to take things seriously, I guess I misjudged the severity of the ramblings today
sharp finch
and i think it is kinda easy to get swept away in it
like i said, i dont think im perfect about it either
it is something i just try to be conscious about, and i think it's a good step forward to try and be more conscious about it
anyways, no hard feelings about it
snow kite
Sounds good
sharp finch
i suppose it did get a bit heated but i hope no-one walked away from it feeling worse for wear
sinful jungle
on a more related note i am still having the small issue of a ghost fire exit appearing inside on titan for clients but not host
which is odd because its all done through one clientrpc so it should be happening for everyone at the same time
snow kite
when mineshaft was new the majority of the feedback he got in the discord was "t...
I want to give my 2 cents on this, it is an interesting insight I did not know. It is good to see Zeekerss was aware of the issue and tried to fix it, but it feels like a misdiagnosis.
The low scrap count was likely due to Mineshaft being extremely buggy in launch and often not spawning the proper scrap amount. Aside from that though low scrap density could be an issue with the map being oversized as I said
snow kite
on a more related note i am still having the small issue of a ghost fire exit ap...
Oh my bad, was just finishing typing when you posted. I will be done now
sharp finch
I want to give my 2 cents on this, it is an interesting insight I did not know. ...
The low scrap count was likely due to Mineshaft being extremely buggy in launch and often not spawning the proper scrap amount.
yeah this was definitely the main issue
and i think it's possible some of the reasoning behind +6 was temporarily resolving that issue
i kind of expected he'd decrease it to like +4 after fixing the spawn bug
(+6 happened in v61, tabletop fix happened in v62)
be he did cite "mineshafts give +6 scrap to reflect their high risk" so i suppose it's possible that's not the whole story
snow kite
They definitely are designed to be the hardest interior it seems. Confusing and demanding (water pools and pits) caves, elevator being a choke point for transfers, and traps being clustered in tunnel portions
sinful jungle
man fuck
@sharp finch are the fire exits in interiors also named alphabetically
im about to just say fuck it and query for that one too
snow kite
Just say it is a feature not a bug 
sharp finch
<@235439745486815233> are the fire exits in interiors also named alphabetically
liek
wdym
sinful jungle
yknowww like
snow kite
Players hallucinate false fire exit while they are going insane
sinful jungle
they're gameobjects right
sharp finch
yes
obtuse mortar
they're gameobjects right
what else would it be if not a gameobject out of curiousity on your thought process
sinful jungle
sorry
sharp finch
well
im not sure what you are asking
still
but like
the way that fire exits work
doorways have either doors, doorframes, or blockers in them
right
on the dungen level, i mean
sharp finch
most interior blockers contain a prefab containing a fire exit prefab
and that fire exit prefab contains an entranceteleport object
obtuse mortar
nah, they're entrance teleports, so they have an entrance and an exit point
what buttery's about to say basically
sharp finch
or well
sharp finch
and that fire exit prefab contains an entranceteleport object
they dont contain it
they have a SpawnSyncedObject that spawns an EntranceTeleportB
object
once all clients generate the map the host sends a request for everyone to spawn synced objects
afterwards
all clients run a function i think called SetExitIDs
obtuse mortar
what does SetExitIDs do?
sharp finch
and that iterates through all the active EntranceTeleport objects
including all the objects placed in the exterior
the one parented under the main entrance doors
and the ones parented under all the active fire exit prefabs
although, actually, i dont think the entranceteleports are technically parented
i think they get parented to mapPropsContainer since they are spawned by SpawnSyncedObject
anyways
it connects the main entrance teleport objects
so each one's entry point is the other's exit point and vice versa
and then i think it connects them to fire exits in the order that they were found via FindObjectsOfType
obtuse mortar
oh that only happens when a player uses an entrance teleport i think, not on load, atleast from experience π
i think when a player uses an entrance teleport, it runs a function to find the exit point, if it doesnt exist, it finds it and fills it in the entranceteleport script
so by default if no one uses any entrance teleports its all null π
well unless you iterate through em all and run FindExitPoint();
obtuse mortar
yes im aware
what's your goal btw
sharp finch
so by default if no one uses any entrance teleports its all null π
oh my god you're right
Lol
sinful jungle
what else would it be if not a gameobject out of curiousity on your thought proc...
it was a statement
sharp finch
all clients run a function *i think* called SetExitIDs
okay well it only links the IDs of fire exits in this function then
sinful jungle
as in, they're gameobjects so they must be named
sharp finch
if you are just trying to connect a fire exit on the interior to the exterior
then you can definitely do that
sinful jungle
anyways uhhh
i have a config setting that disables the 3rd fire exit (on the exterior) on my titan pre generate floor
it prevents the 3rd fire from generating inside only on the host for some reason
even though its all done through one client rpc
sharp finch
because SetLevelObjectVariables -> waitForMainEntranceTeleportToSpawn -> SetExitIDs runs at the start of the level before the ship finishes landing
sharp finch
it prevents the 3rd fire from generating inside only on the host for some reason
if you can't find a way to solve this
oh
hm
i was about to say something wrong
actually
it is going to be way easier for you to stop that exit from spawning in the first place
long story short
it will get messy if you try to remove an exit that already exists
sharp finch
because you will have to connect the EntranceTeleport object in mapPropsContainer
to the fire exit prefab that's undernooth the dungen hierarchy somewhere
sinful jungle
so instead of removing the exit i should be instantiating it
sharp finch
which is pretty much not going to be possible outside of a raw distance check
although that would work
i just dont think it's a very elegant solution
sharp finch
so instead of removing the exit i should be instantiating it
this is one approach
but you need to instantiate it before SetExitIDs, in that case
or you'd need to run your own code to link them
sinful jungle
i think that map improvements mod did this in their code and people were saying it wasntworking lol
not sure if they've fixed it by now
sharp finch
what is the problem with changing the spawn count?
sinful jungle
?
sharp finch
like
did you try the thing zaggy suggested
to try and override LLL's patch for setting the fire exit count
sinful jungle
wha
sharp finch
by postfixing with a lower priority
sinful jungle
did i miss something'
sinful jungle
i dont remember this
obtuse mortar
its okay zaggy is a person to forget π
obtuse mortar
did you confuse them talking about blackmesa's fire exit shenanigans lol
sharp finch
this is my rocket to insanity
@sinful jungle okay well i have no idea what i am referring to
apparently
sinful jungle
sorry lol
sharp finch
but my thought process is that you probably want to change the fire exit count
obtuse mortar
this is my rocket to insanity
i've spent enough looking at ponies for today π
sharp finch
and i thought i remember seeing a message where somebody said "you should postfix LLL's behavior or use a postfix after LLL to change the fire exit count based on the value of your config setting before the dungeon gets generated"
and i thought i remember thinking that was a really good idea
so anyways
languid fiber
I recall the discussion regarding Map Improvements and Central Config from earlier today π€
sharp finch
i would see if there is a way to do that because it will probably be less headache to just change the number of fire exits spawning in the first place
instead of going in after the fact and trying to disable one of them
obtuse mortar
LLL's been controlling the fire exit stuff since vanilla hard codes it right? im sure its somewhere controllable there then
sharp finch
instead of going in after the fact and trying to disable one of them
though this wouldn't be impossible, just annoying
sinful jungle
LLL's been controlling the fire exit stuff since vanilla hard codes it right? im...
ye im trying to look 4 that
rn
sharp finch
LLL's been controlling the fire exit stuff since vanilla hard codes it right? im...
yes, LLL has some functionality to search for the number of fire exits in the scene, and then override the dungeonflow's prop count for fire exits
sinful jungle
how do u knooow
sharp finch
since vanilla hardcodes 1 fire exit prop to spawn
sinful jungle
oh yeah i forgot lol
obtuse mortar
worst case scenario you annoy the devil who made it @crude valley
sharp finch
and march uses an interior with hardcoded 3 fire exit props
obtuse mortar
languid fiber
Beat me to the punch about that March comment lols
sinful jungle
sinful jungle
i beat u i win
languid fiber
Not sure why he hard-codes just 1 unless he has no plans to make any additional map with multiple fire exits
sharp finch
in any case
sinful jungle
ty hehe
sharp finch
specifically 1231 is the ID of fire exit props
and where he is setting GlobalPropSettings.Count
that is the part actually changing how many spawn
@sinful jungle okay
it looks like he is running this logic in a prefix for DungeonGenerator.Generate
which means there is not really any room for you to insert a patch in between
unless you postfix his patch
sinful jungle
im fine with doing that
sharp finch
it looks like he is running this logic in a prefix for DungeonGenerator.Generate
or, i suppose you could do another prefix for this function
sinful jungle
nah ill just postfix his thing
sharp finch
and just set a priority so it runs after LLL
sinful jungle
im already patching into one of his methods
sharp finch
i see
well
in that case
probably cleanest to postfix PatchFireEscapes
and just check if it's Titan + your config setting is off
sharp finch
well, 2 if you recount
i figured you'd just do like
count = (count.min - 1, count.max - 1)
sinful jungle
oh
sharp finch
whatever you like
sharp finch
lol it's fien
snow kite
βI forgot I can just do thatβ coding in a nutshell
I wasted so much time in coding class trying to make solutions to problems when one simpler one already existed
languid fiber
I mean I've done the same too
sinful jungle
anyways i doubt anyone cares but i fixed the desyncing by repurposing this old code that i made way before there was any config and just optimizing it and throwing it into a client rpc
sinful jungle
in the previous patch i was doing this through an event
which only works on the host for some reason
sharp finch
which event?
i guess it doesn't really matter if you figured it out
was just curious if i could troubleshoot
sinful jungle
which event?
ah
uhh
well i can show you
so on quick menu manager start, i would call this, which would go to a client rpc, which calls that event
i hate discord screenshot formatting actually die
oh wait i screenshotted the wrong event on the last one oops
but yeah you get the idea
i also tried running InteriorServerRpc(); in a generate floor prefix etc etc
no matter where i executed it, would only work for tha host
anyways, dont bother
even if i did get this working im not interested because my current implementation doesnt interfere with modded interiors
which is exactly what i want
sharp finch
i see
sinful jungle
man
i wanted to patch into LLL to remove this line but i think its done through a bundle (?)
because its not true with my stuff
tawdry spruce
does it not already have support for this?
i believe alice tested it with vanilla interiors, but it wasnt actually made into a mod to make them work like that
only used as an example
crude valley
Make sure ur networked rpc happens before the dungeon request
crude valley
Sending it out doesnβt mean it happens instantly incase thatβs relevant
sinful jungle
it probably is
regardless i did end up getting results i wanted
and it looks clean
crude valley
π
sinful jungle
i wanted to patch into LLL to remove this line but i think its done through a bu...
i just realized the typo here too lol
sharp finch
i wanted to patch into LLL to remove this line but i think its done through a bu...
out of curiosity is this not terminal formatter doing this
im not super familiar
sinful jungle
???
sharp finch
unless LLL also does it and terminalformatter just has this for compatibility
ornate ocean
its okay zaggy is a person to forget π
damn this is the thanks I get π
sinful jungle
@cunning steeple im gonna do a little transpiler or something to yeet this when both terminal formatter and this mod is installed if thats ok with you
ornate ocean
also buttery you may be right that I mentioned priority but I also don't remember where lol
sinful jungle
because simulate march works fine here
sharp finch
also buttery you may be right that I mentioned priority but I also don't remembe...
that's ok you dont have to pity me
seriously though, that was a frankly bizarre situation
ornate ocean
lol I pity my own memory too
cunning steeple
<@231002429406183424> im gonna do a little transpiler or something to yeet this ...
LLL has a comment about this - it displays config data instead of used data, which is stupid
obtuse mortar
damn this is the thanks I get π
i spent 4 hours weight painting afterwards, vertice groups were just bad, but i appreciate ur help up until that point XD
ornate ocean
oh by the way, in case you end up needing priority stuff, if you absolutely need to run after a specific mod's patch, you can find their Harmony GUID and put a [HarmonyAfter(GUID)] to guarantee that you run after regardless of whether their priority changes
cunning steeple
I'm displaying config data with the description that it's not used data
ornate ocean
i spent 4 hours weight painting afterwards, vertice groups were just bad, but i ...
wait really? they couldn't transfer over?! :(
sharp finch
i forgot to mention harmonyafter so that's my bad
but 100% agree it is better to use that, here
sinful jungle
LLL has *a comment* about this - it displays config data instead of *used data*,...
well, it is used in this case
obtuse mortar
wait really? they couldn't transfer over?! :(
some did, but 90% didnt, but it's fine now, atleast im getting paid lots... 
sinful jungle
the percentages are literally accurate to the weights i assigned
and it works ingame
ornate ocean
I had to do it at one point because I had to run after a patch in GI that was set to the absolute lowest priority lol
sharp finch
i'm like 99% sure you need to use the harmony GUID, though, not the plugin GUID
so you need to double check how the plugin you wanna patch over uses harmony
for all of my stuff i just do new Harmony(PLUGIN_GUID).PatchAll() but that won't be the case everywhere
ornate ocean
some did, but 90% didnt, but it's fine now, atleast im getting paid lots... <:Do...
it's tricky business painting weights for clothing, so probably good to give a lot of poses a test to make sure you don't have too much clipping
cunning steeple
the percentages are literally accurate to the weights i assigned
that's good then
ornate ocean
i'm like 99% sure you need to use the *harmony* GUID, though, not the plugin GUI...
yep exactly
cunning steeple
for vanilla it's not, I asked batby at some point and didn't investigate further
obtuse mortar
it's tricky business painting weights for clothing, so probably good to give a l...
yea, thats why it took so long, especially since i couldnt symmetrise the weighting π
cunning steeple
fix the typo :3
OH I SEE IT NOW π³
sinful jungle
hehehe
cunning steeple
this is emmbarasing π€
sinful jungle
sigurd wrote it
cunning steeple
also I found the LLL stuff I told you about: https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/main/LethalLevelLoader%2FComponents%2FExtendedContent%2FExtendedLevel.cs#L212-L224
cunning steeple
π₯²
sharp finch
im not sure if this is why it has special handling still
sinful jungle
sharp finch
but at one point, march's interior type was inaccessible in any scene other than march
sinful jungle
i might be stupid and misunderstanding :P
sharp finch
so it literally required special handling
cunning steeple
stoopid code π
sharp finch
at one point zeekerss added level1flow3exits to march's selectablelevel
and i guess batby hasn't updated to account for that
i think that change was as recent as one of the v64 betas
it is really recent
batby also had to ask zeekerss to add level1flow3exits to the roundmanager list of interiors at one point
but i think he did that in v50
iirc
sharp finch
at one point zeekerss added level1flow3exits to march's selectablelevel
my bet, on this, is that this code was necessary before this change
because what used to happen with march
is it would run the code to randomize the interior
discover march's interior list was empty
and then fallback to the one pre-assigned to the DungeonGenerator object in March's scene
which used to be the only reference to Level1Flow3Exits
but this caused a problem in v60
sharp finch
and then fallback to the one pre-assigned to the DungeonGenerator object in Marc...
because this fallback code would not reset the "currently selected interior" variable (i forget what it is called)
and that variable was checked when applying the maneater's increased chance, mineshafts' +6 scrap, etc.
which would cause you to get increased maneaters and scrap on march if you visited it immediately after leaving a moon with a mineshaft
or would cause march to have haunted factory doors (Lol) if you just left a manor
and would cause march to use mineshaft ambience as well
anyways that got reported and zeekerss fixed it by adding Level1Flow3Exits to march's selectablelevel
so, at this point, i believe the special handling no longer is necessary
all it does is add Level1Flow3Exits with 300 weight to march after it assigns everything from the config
by the looks of things
which probably causes buggy behavior, when you look at it that way - i assume this makes it impossible to remove factory from march
and artificially inflates the factory chance beyond what the user has assigned in their config
i wont bug batby about it but that is likely something worth investigating
at some point
sinful jungle
which probably causes buggy behavior, when you look at it that way - i assume th...
nope
i was able to
sharp finch
well
sinful jungle
i replaced level1flow3exits with level1flow
sharp finch
to clarify, i mean with the config
sharp finch
if you're patching LLL's logic (or patching after) then you have a lot more freedom
that's ok
i was unclear
sharp finch
my guess is probably just for parity
sinful jungle
oh yeah prolly
sharp finch
level1flow and level1flow3exits are technically not identical
the biggest change is the increased fire exit count
but i think level1flow3exits also generates more shelf props
it was like
some really random minute change
Lol
sinful jungle
lol?
sharp finch
but say zeekerss adds a new room to only level1flow3exits
sharp finch
then it would be missing in LLL if it made the leap to level1flow
sharp finch
if he makes it spawn like the apparatus yeah
rather than the scrap table
depends how he goes about that
anyways IIRC it was these
one kind of strange behavior (that i might be misremembering, but i think it's correct?)
the dungeon type has the maximum count of these shelf props set
and im pretty sure there's no multiplier based on dungeon size
so larger maps like titan have the same number of props as smaller ones like experimentation
but spread out over way more interior area
sharp finch
i wonder if zeekerss was aware of that and intentionally increased prop counts on march since it always has a giant interior and has the dungeon flow all to itself
but that is possibly me forming patterns where they dont exist
it's also possible he just cloned the factory
then made a change on the original factory and forgot to port it over to march
dense hull
urgh i wish factory was more fun to explore
What's wrong with it?
sinful jungle
idk i just like mineshaft and manor more
they just feel
more fun
i cant put my finger on why
sharp finch
since march uses the same tilesets as the original factory
im pretty sure he wouldnt need to manually add the new tile (from v47)
so it's feasible any changes since the split was made have just been lost in the sauce
sharp finch
i cant put my finger on why
i think the problem is the bulk of factory is the maze
i love the themed rooms in factory
sinful jungle
like the mazes in factory can get kinda boring i guess idk i wish there was more like visual
uhh
sharp finch
but exploring caverns is way more exciting and fun than exploring rectangular halls
and in the manor the rectangular rooms at least have more definition
strange sizes, doorways, and rotations
sinful jungle
i wish there was more visual differentiation like how the caves in mineshaft look very different from the tunnels that connect them
sharp finch
it's literally a straight grid in factories
crude valley
I take no shame in march stuff it used to be very fucked yeah
sinful jungle
ohai
sharp finch
hello IAmBatby Lethal Company
dense hull
John Batby
crude valley
Nah probably not
sharp finch
for clarity, zeekerss added Level1Flow3Exits to March's SelectableLevel in one of the v60s (im like 99% sure it was v64) to fix a bug with mineshafts
and i assume this is just a relic from before that change was made
sharp finch
but at this point i think it is, at best, unnecessary, and at worst, probably causing issues with user config
crude valley
Did not remove that stuff
sharp finch
I could get it earlier tho when he did indoormaptypes or whatever
well yeah, it was fetchable in the scene (and you take advantage of that in this snippet), but as of the v64 change it doesn't require a special case to assign it to march's list anymore, i mean
it's already assigned in vanilla now
crude valley
Yaya
crude valley
99% of this comes down to this community having next to no users who can program who are actively fucking with anything LLL was designed to mess with so Iβve never needed to care about any of this
cinder jackal
urgh i wish factory was more fun to explore
i like factory the most out of the other 2
sinful jungle
i think mineshaft just spoiled me
the atmosphere of it is really nice
i wish factory was less maze and more rooms
but it makes sense
so idk
sharp finch
i still thirst for offices because red44_satyr44 brainrot (and also the intro scene + artifice environments + alpha experimentation are so nice)
sinful jungle
like it is The "maze" interior
sinful jungle
i still thirst for offices because red44_satyr44 brainrot (and also the intro sc...
urghhh yeah i love lc office sm, i just wish it didnt uh
have issues with traps
sharp finch
but i think mineshaft makes it kinda clear zeekerss is probably more interested in tackling major divergences from the existing stuff and not just "new room themes"
cinder jackal
office is my fav modded interior
sharp finch
i am curious what that glass interior he alluded to forever ago is
cinder jackal
also those trap bunching up made me think it was my modpack issue didn't know office had issues with those traps..
minor thicket
have issues with traps
sinful jungle
but i think mineshaft makes it kinda clear zeekerss is probably more interested ...
eh idk its not that far out there tbh
there was a mineshaft interior on thunderstore before v60
like i think it was one of the more requested ones
i remember seeing suggestion posts for mineshaft interiors
minor thicket
there was a mineshaft interior on thunderstore before v60
Speaking of, that interior is getting overhauled
sinful jungle
into what?
sharp finch
eh idk its not that far out there tbh
well to clarify i dont mean different from mods
minor thicket
into what?
Better quality
sinful jungle
as a lethal company interior
sharp finch
i just feel like he'd probably not do offices because he could just add office rooms to the factories
minor thicket
as a lethal company interior
I meant the modded mineshaft
sharp finch
or something like that
minor thicket
was responding to buttery srry
lol its cool
no specifics yet
since it just started
minor thicket
weird they didnt opt to give it a dif theme
Prob will be different
cinder jackal
if its possible
im suprised nobody has made a mod to expand vanilla interior rooms
minor thicket
BSL has gotten way better since he made that
cinder jackal
i want to do this
minor thicket
i imagine it wouldnt be too difficult
heard devs say its harder than making a new interior lol
cinder jackal
dopadreams Expanded interiors mod...
sharp finch
heard devs say its harder than making a new interior lol
probably just because you have to write custom code to extend the original stuff
whereas LLL expedites the process down to mostly "make an asset bundle and put your shit in it"
minor thicket
prob best bet would be to make a copy of them with the new rooms and have them auto replace the og
sinful jungle
heard devs say its harder than making a new interior lol
nah lol i can do it trust
sharp finch
dopadream has been writing custom code to overwrite vanilla stuff already in this mod so im sure she will figure it out
sinful jungle
i have peeked at some stuff b4 i think i could
minor thicket
dopadream has been writing custom code to overwrite vanilla stuff already in thi...
nice
cinder jackal
time to copy every interior then just add onto it..
sinful jungle
I would. not do that
dense hull
Say, did anyone ever figure out what FacilityExpanded ever exactly added?
minor thicket
Say, did anyone ever figure out what FacilityExpanded ever exactly added?
it didnt even have assets lol
dense hull
Wha-
cinder jackal
π
dense hull
Did they just forget to include it from what you can see?
Or was it really just in a, "blank canvas", state, per say?
minor thicket
Did they just forget to include it from what you can see?
they forgot to even pack the mod up so it wouldnt be possible to run even if they did have the assets
its like packing for a trip and not closing the suitcase and expecting stuff not to fall out
dense hull
Lol, that's a funny analogy
sinful jungle
oh btw
@sharp finch i made a funny oopsie woopsie and the current build of rebalancedmoons doesnt run without chameleon
Lol
sinful jungle
forcing people to make their games look good
dense hull
dense hull
KA-BLOOEY
cinder jackal
speaking of chameleon the foilage on the ground seem to be gone idk what mod causes it
sinful jungle
thats not sigma
cinder jackal
yea i think a seperate mod is causing the issue
cinder jackal
LOL
dense hull
Caption this
tawdry spruce
i think mineshaft just spoiled me
i honestly really want to know how zeekers made the mine part of the mineshaft
somehow they did it in such a way that all itβs tiles can fit together perfectly without gaps
smth like that which looks like it was (probably) made with terrain is honestly pretty crazy
sharp finch
despite how organic it looks it all technically fits into a grid
and every tile just connects via the same symmetric "doorway" shape
minor thicket
i honestly really want to know how zeekers made the mine part of the mineshaft
...
id imagine the model overcompensates, so gaps would get filled better
dense hull
Yeah, that's what I thinking
tawdry spruce
yeah itβs just crazy how much it doesnβt look that way
dense hull
Every tile shares the same coupler layout
tawdry spruce
like you canβt really notice the bounds of each tile
sharp finch
triplanar shaders were used to make the walls tile without UV seams being obvious
it is an extremely convincing illusion
and TBH it doesn't really ever unfold unless you're looking at the actual tiles
minor thicket
like you canβt really notice the bounds of each tile
im more bamboozled by flesh interior
sharp finch
i enjoy exploring the mineshafts now that i recognize the tiles but i think i'd still be garbage at it if i didn't see the pieces separately
lol
tawdry spruce
the flesh interior is the same deal
possibly even more so
you can barely notice the bounds of each tile, if you even can
minor thicket
the flesh interior is the same deal
with mineshaft thats just part of the interior, with flesh like 90% of the rooms seem to flow naturally
dense hull
(Not to mention the textures were apparently hand-made)
minor thicket
the flesh interior is the same deal
btw hope you make a waterridge port haha
dense hull
Waterride
tawdry spruce
in time
dense hull
A hat in time
cinder jackal
minor thicket
now that I think about it more upturned stuff could be sick
def could rip the assets from it
office already did
cinder jackal
with shrimp our beloved
minor thicket
with shrimp our beloved
tbh maybe someone SHOULD remake shrimp
hes always been jank
cinder jackal
:TulipSad:
minor thicket
:TulipSad:
id love to see the wild west floor be turned into a moon
it vibes so hard
cinder jackal
i don't play upturned so idk what that is
yeah totally.
minor thicket
~~i don't play upturned so idk what that is~~
yeah totally.
PLAY IT
minor thicket
Its like mario 64 if it was directed by tim burton
dense hull
W h a t
cinder jackal
OK I WILL soon i swear!
minor thicket
OK I WILL soon i swear!
here is what I was referring too
cinder jackal
oh god i just remembered how many modding threads im in again....
cinder jackal
here is what I was referring too
i like it already..
dense hull
got too sleepy fixing fire exit stuffs <:TulipSmile16x16:1314686880100388874>
What in the fucking fuck happened to that tulip snake?
languid fiber
Just low res one lols
wild brook
you think this mod also have interior desync with rend?
we have desync on rend earlier session.
SatouTurashi(Me) host seeing vanilla factory and the rest of the clients they're seeing gray apartments
and they said the doors are submerged and can't get out
sinful jungle
idk it doesn't matter just wait 4 the update that comes out today
im not using the same code anymore
zenith dust
i love the themed rooms in factory
I think when lethal company first released 2 loot rooms couldn't spawn right next to each other and they had to have a hallway (either catwalk or maze) between them.
I didn't see anyone talk about that but I think in either v55 or v60 made it so they could spawn with no hallway (this also includes loot rooms right next to the main entrance)
snow kite
I did notice how starting with v60 some factory tiles started spawning closer to main
Mainly loot rooms like the server room
zenith dust
yeah
I think zeekerzz probably changed some slight stuff with the factory like how he changed the mansion generation a little bit in v45 to have more variety
(though not as much)
sinful jungle
@sharp finch help
sharp finch
<@235439745486815233> help
?
sinful jungle
i did this
and it technically fixes the issue for clients
but it makes the host also generate one less fire exit
so now the host is generating 1
lol
should i jusst manually input a number here
sharp finch
i suppose
sharp finch
but i will try it
minor thicket
Can someone confirm if the desyncs are real or not