Distinct Moon Variety

[stable sorrel]

the only thing they can influence regarding vain shrouds is whether they spawn at all or not

[lucid cargo]

That's strange, because as of recently, I've consistently gotten vain shrouds on Volition

Get this, while I was debugging on a fresh save file earlier today, I had a cornfield of vain shrouds spawn on Volition

Day 1

I'm especially curious since Volition's exclusive scrap is the Shroud Sample, so I'm wondering if this is just some gimmick with the moon where it's themed around vain shrouds

[craggy merlin]

While I've always imagined Kidnapper Foxes being a good fit for Volition (hence making the Shroud Sample), the moon has no gimmicks or higher spawn chance for vain shrouds

Like Dopa said, the only thing I could change from my end is if the shrouds spawn at all or not

Funny fact actually- back when I was making and testing the Shroud Sample I ripped from the Shroud prefab to put it into the container but it still had the mold spore tag on it, so whenever the scrap spawned in the map the fox also spawned in the interior lol

[stable sorrel]

LOL

[nocturne steeple]

did the fox work in the interior?

[craggy merlin]

Nope, the Fox just stood still in place wherever it spawned

[shrewd quail]

I take it you didn’t try it with StarlancerAIFix

That might’ve worked

Whether you want a fox inside is another story LOL

[craggy merlin]

didn't think they'd be that uh, persistent

[waxen pollen]

do you have the old bird's condemned stamp as a solid PNG by chance?

[smoky sierra]

lmao

[silent wigeon]

if a dog hears a noise with maxxed aggro, they will go to where they heard it always

if theyre just investigating they can stop before they reach the area

[smoky sierra]

also I don't know why it didn't notify me that something was posted here

[waxen pollen]

what map is that

[silent wigeon]

volition

[waxen pollen]

looks like adamance's bridge

ohh

[smoky sierra]

I don't think volition has that bridge

[silent wigeon]

well it is clearly volition so its a thing coming soon

i guess

[smoky sierra]

either its a new map or volition is getting an update

[waxen pollen]

do you guys have a photo of the condemned old bird

the stamp on him

[smoky sierra]

it looks like the same map as this image

[silent wigeon]

oh maybe

i forgot that was posted before

[craggy merlin]

That is Volition, I confirmed it later down

Volition’s building is getting a redesign

[smoky sierra]

cool

[craggy merlin]

And yes the dangerous bridge is being added as well. In the moon’s WIP phase there was meant to be a bridge there but that idea eventually changed to just adding a little spot where people can put the extension ladder to go between main and fire, but when I widened the pits and changed the terrain in that one update a while back that idea became finicky (not sure if it’s even possible anymore)

[smoky sierra]

I think the outhouse thing by the ship should either be removed or redesigned since I don't really like the orangish wood it has

a recolor would be enough

[craggy merlin]

That is being redesigned and relocated somewhere else, mostly hidden

[silent wigeon]

i want more moons to focus on bridge mechanics

cause a lot of people just copy paste vows bridge without changing the multipliers of what deteriorates its health

[smoky sierra]

cool

[smoky sierra]

I do think that moons should have more spots like pre v50 adamance for extension ladders

I meant dine

how did I mess up dine and adamance

[silent wigeon]

attenuation has extension ladder usages

[smoky sierra]

detritus as well

[craggy merlin]

Attenuation and Detritus have usage yeah, mainly to get to places early

[craggy merlin]

Should add onto this that this’ll also apply to some Detritus stuff too

Some things I put in the moons are my friends ideas or little inside jokes but their presence I think should’ve been hidden a lot more

[smoky sierra]

yeah I think that generally fine

[craggy merlin]

Like the outhouse, money mattress, or rusty’s poster

[smoky sierra]

I think it might be interesting if you hid something within the broken cruiser

[silent wigeon]

add granny

[misty rampart]

On Attenuation a pumpkin blocked the way into the main entrance, is this a known bug or is it intentional?

[craggy merlin]

Definitely not intentional, seems like a unlucky random map prop

I'll probably look into it

[misty rampart]

thank you

thankfully it wasnt our first moon so we had ladders but it was some shenanigans to get in lol

[summer sparrow]

spawn blockers time (?)

[sinful nimbus]

@craggy merlin We still getting that optimization update sometime soon?

[craggy merlin]

Yeah it'll come eventually. I've just been sidetracked because motivation is a little waning and I've been really hype to play Monster Hunter Wilds this week

Still need to fix some stuff that broke from transitioning projects and also do a balance pass on all the moons

[verbal cloud]

Lucky, wish I could but my PC's too old for it lols

[craggy merlin]

DistinctMoonVariety | The Optimization Update (v2.0.0)

• Did a lot of optimization throughout all the moons.
  • Overall filesize has gone from ~120MB to ~73MB
• Removed CustomStoryLogs as a dependency
  • Logs now uses LLL's ExtendedStoryLogs

16 Attenuation

• Moon Redesign
  • Opened up map playable space
  • Added new intertwining routes
  • Extended the tight crevice section
  • Fence to Main is now destructable via Cruiser
  • Added more general structures, rocks, and debris
• Removed Broken Device from Scrap spawn table
• Adjusted overall balancing

77 Volition

• (Standalone only) Volition will only have the SOS hint if Detritus is also installed
• Turned the radio boombox into it's own item, the Radiobox
  • It has worse audio range and lower volume than the normal boombox
• Added the dangerous bridge in the pit between Main and Fire Exit
• Redesigned Main & Side buildings
• Replaced most of the mushrooms in the ditch with different foiliage
• Adjusted Fog & Volume for Stormy & Eclipsed Weather
• Added very low chance for Factory interior
• Added new exclusive Insanity sounds
• Exterior lights are now tied to the Breaker Box
• Adjusted overall balancing

24 Detritus

• Recolored the Crane
• Trimmed the Crane's ladder (no longer climbable)
• Sunken Old Bird at the Main Entrance now only has a very low chance of being activated upon landing
• Reduced the value of the Mech Apparatus
• Added more LOD to objects around the map for performance
• Moved & Rewritten the Log
• Added Broken Device to the Scrap spawn table

98 Retinue

• Touched up on all the shipping crates, moved them around, and overall decreased how many there are
• Added LOD to a lot more objects in a effort to improve performance
• Added low chance for Mansion interior
• Raised chanced for Mineshaft interior
• Adjusted overall balancing

DistinctEnemyVariety

• Added 4 new skins for Detritus

  • The Prototype (Nutcracker)
  • The Crystalized (Hoarder Bug)
  • The Corrupted (Eyeless Dog)
  • Graffiti Relic D (Old Bird)

• Added 1 new skin for Retinue

  • Shepard (Eyeless Dog)

There was gonna be more additions to the moons but I'll hold off on them for now as to not delay the update any longer. There was a LOT of moving and editing stuff so please let me know if you encounter any bugs, I tried fixing as much as I could.

Anyways yee enjoy the update and yadayda yayyyyyy

[smoky sierra]

YES

WA HOO

small issue I think?

[misty rampart]

What is the Factory interior?

[misty rampart]

Ahh always called it Facility

Thanks

[craggy merlin]

Whoops. Fixed that

Also I'll update the imgur eventually, here's just some random shots for now of the new skins

[smoky sierra]

what the fuck

[craggy merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-look-cat-look-at-camera-silly-cat-in-a-cage-gif-889392959852579879

[smoky sierra]

if it works for you it might just be that I manually downloaded it

[craggy merlin]

No that's a fault on my end. I know exactly what it is

[smoky sierra]

same for the main entrance

[craggy merlin]

Yep, 100% what I assume it is

[craggy merlin]

Pushed an update to fix this. Any other bugs found I'll save for the end of the day or tomorrow so I'm not constantly pushing tiny updates

[silent wigeon]

LMFAO

this is probably the funniest issue ive seen a moon have

but its hard to beat the time siabudabu accidentally spawned red pill from daytime power instead of red locust bees

[shrewd quail]

Pink dog probably works great on Seichi

I gotta try this

[summer sparrow]

I LOVE DISTINCT MOON VARIETY

[lucid cargo]

The Attenuation changes are great

Also love the broken Adamance bridges on Volition :3

[shrewd quail]

I’ll need to reinstall it to see the optimisation changes. Some of the moons like Attenuation ran quite poorly on my friend’s devices (they don’t have great graphics cards). Are there any major changes?

[craggy merlin]

Detritus & Retinue had the biggest optimizations. Volition & Attenuation only slightly

Mainly a lot more LOD for objects around the place

[shrewd quail]

I’ll check them out tomorrow! Thank you for your hard work I’m quite excited to see the moon changes

[nocturne steeple]

i am neutral about distinct moon variety

[summer sparrow]

I fucking love harvest moons

[opal olive]

i actually didnt add these to my modpack because i forgot

i might see what i can do 👁️

if anything, since beanie wants to add more lore to their moons i might just move desperation/veld and replace them with attenuation/volition

put those somewhere on canyon/jade

[opal olive]

there we go
@craggy merlin would these placements fit?

attenuation/volition in bramble (vanilla+)
retinue in crater (desert)
and detritus in onyx (industrial)

[craggy merlin]

hmm, yeah I think those relatively fit

[stable sorrel]

do lods even do anything

ive been thinking about removing lods from the vanilla moons in rbm and just making them cull when you're really far away

i feel like lods make next to no difference in this game bc the models are already low poly bc art style

@strange willow im actually curious you seem a bit more competent than me regarding these things, does it actually matter

like the lods for giant rocks and trees etc

maybe it depends on hardware?

[craggy merlin]

Most of the Lods I put just cull whenever far away. Any objects with actually fully set lods Zeekers puts (rocks, trees, etc.) I leave as is

I don’t bother making low poly meshes since, like you said, most objects in LC have very low poly and I assume it wouldn’t make a difference

[stable sorrel]

Oh yeah I was just curious and you adding lods had me thinking

i wonder if zeek just did it just to be safe ig

i wonder if it actually makes a difference having so many lod groups

like trees usually have 2

or 3

[craggy merlin]

2 iirc, low poly then like a flat plane one

Those I can maybe see making a small difference in performance, but the giants rocks like on the canyon moons? Ehh

[strange willow]

they definitely matter and quite significantly so, please don't remove them D:

[stable sorrel]

the lod groups rlly matter?? r u sure?

i assumed it would be fine just "high" poly > fully culled

[strange willow]

it of course depends on how many polygons were removed compared to the main model and the quantity of renderers with lods (they play a bigger role if there is a huge amount of models, for example - vanilla trees)

[smoky sierra]

I don't see the SOS hint here and I'm using the non standalone version

also I think lightning goes through the ceiling on the Volition interior

[craggy merlin]

Will look into it

But what do you mean by lighting going through the ceiling?

[smoky sierra]

I'll get a video

I can't reproduce it so it was probably from an outside source

[craggy merlin]

Ah

[acoustic oyster]

Oh my peak

[acoustic oyster]

Didn't it also have/used to have extension ladder spawns as scrap

[silent wigeon]

yes

[acoustic oyster]

I don't know why that was so I'm going to assume it was an error like red pill

[silent wigeon]

yes

[waxen pollen]

im definitely going to download these moons

theyre like wesleys quality of the vanilla version's desert moons

i like the destructible fence feature

[silent wigeon]

no, wesleys dont really fit vanilla at all

for various reasons

these do wayyyy more

[waxen pollen]

wesleys quality

in terms of like the effort and unique things in them

im just tryna say they're nice lol

[lucid cargo]

Imo this is only because of the simple shapes he uses to make them

If they were more detailed, they would be in line with Zeekerss' artstyle

[silent wigeon]

ah i see

[waxen pollen]

i have a massive modpack with only 25 moons using wesleys moons 4.0

im gonna add this moon pack and generic moons, then spend a weekend configuring them

[waxen pollen]

do you have any high quality moon suggestions

[silent wigeon]

if you want ones that fit vanilla

imwehh's are one of the best set

[waxen pollen]

idc if they fit vanilla

but like

no overly goofy shit like the circus moon or the oobleck thing with the blocky aliens

yk what i mean

[silent wigeon]

honestly

bozoros fits into lethal company really well

[waxen pollen]

im tryna stick to the vanilla industrial feel

the interior is really hard, but i just cant really justify the exterior to work in my head

[silent wigeon]

like, matt and pacoito really did a good job making sure it didnt pop out as much as other immersion breaking things

[waxen pollen]

i might give it a try idrk

[waxen pollen]

i hnavent heard of them

ill try that one out

[craggy merlin]

Are those ones really good? I saw them in TS but the lack of photos generally make me hesitant

[silent wigeon]

theyre pretty nice

i will say

[waxen pollen]

i just checked them out, i get the same feeling

[silent wigeon]

i can see how someone would find a few basic

[waxen pollen]

does he have a thread

[silent wigeon]

but i love yearn and adoration

[silent wigeon]

no

i suggested one in his dms but it never came

[waxen pollen]

I have all the moons laid out like this in the terminal

groups of 5 separated by price and difficulty

im not trying to have like

20 in the first section yk

are imwehhs moons like somewhat hardcore

or do you have some hardcore moon suggestions too

[silent wigeon]

do you use centralconfig for content configuration

[waxen pollen]

I use LLL

[silent wigeon]

adoration is the hardest one they have in that case

[waxen pollen]

moons just take a while to add, because I manually check out the moon and assign custom skins to them

[silent wigeon]

well, as far as i know

its like a more condensed embrion

[waxen pollen]

then I need to also configure atlas, chameleon, the interiors, ect

[silent wigeon]

and the interior is manor dominant

[waxen pollen]

that could be fun

interiors dont rlly matter for me

I assign them all based on what im feeling

desert moons usually have an industrial interior set, and green earthy moons always have like a manor, museum, or toystore interior

stuff like that

but ty for the suggestions

[silent wigeon]

heres a screenshot of it

the building is similar to experimentations

[waxen pollen]

oh that looks kinda weird

very barron

[silent wigeon]

its a ruby

and i have post processing off

[waxen pollen]

are all the moons similar to this?

like without many props and stuff

[silent wigeon]

there are props, just none really around the ship

[worldly gate]

Did you take screenshots of it?

[waxen pollen]

im gonna implement distinct moons and then generic moons and ill try those after maybe

[worldly gate]

Yearn

[silent wigeon]

give me a moment ill get more screenshots of both

[waxen pollen]

this one looks fucking sick

they got some custom scrap too

[silent wigeon]

adoration

yearn

[lucid cargo]

The nodes here seem to be hand-picked

Interesting

[waxen pollen]

I feel its primarily your lighting which is making it look weird lol

ill give them a shoit

shot

[silent wigeon]

yes

probably

[waxen pollen]

yo

outpost 31 any good?

made by the same people

[silent wigeon]

havent seen

[lucid cargo]

Yuh

Not sure if it holds up now, but when I played it near Lethal Company's initial release, it was fun

[waxen pollen]

alr

[sinful nimbus]

@craggy merlin Wtf is this 😆 I was trying to get 1 then suddenly like 9 others appeared https://www.twitch.tv/lunxara/clip/BigBovineQuailMrDestructoid-qoyrZ4qjI7TIEMhB

[umbral torrent]

That shit was a fucking Time from my pov, someone else had just pulled the appy and I was just talking about how weirdly devoid the trip to the ship seemed to be of old birds when uh.

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jNOKZQ0qoqhZ48adX yeah

[craggy merlin]

that reaction 😭

But yeah, that is my fault. Checking now and Dog spawns are way too jacked for some reason (more than old birds(???))

[sinful nimbus]

LMFAO I was gonna say ain't no way that balancing was intended

10 dogs suddenly showing up was wild

😆

[umbral torrent]

Yeah I just went into lll config to see for myself and

There's guaranteed more at play than just the weights no shot there wasn't a single old bird

[craggy merlin]

I'm not really sure what else could influence it but I'm gonna check for myself to make sure. I'm gonna get a bugfix patch pushed today when I can, and it's gonna start with reversing dog/old bird spawn chances for sure

[craggy merlin]

DistinctMoonVariety Update (v2.0.2)

• Revised outdated README info
• Rebaked Occlusion Culling for all moons (forgot to do so for v2.0.0)

16 Attenuation

• Fixed missing girders in Main Building

77 Volition

• Fixed Ship reverb triggers using the wrong reverb type (Alley instead of Outside Forest)
• Fixed Fog not reaching low enough for certain parts of the map
• Fixed odd material on exterior lights when turned off
• Fixed Radiobox house not being locked
• Fixed missing SOS decal in the main mod version

24 Detritus

• Reverted some Offmesh Link changes on Ship from long ago
• Raised Outdoor Power (20 -> 23)
• Adjusted Indoor Spawn Curves
• Reversed Old Bird & Eyeless Dog spawn chances (and reduced Eyeless Dog spawn chances even further for good measure)

98 Retinue

• Fixed absurdly low Daytime enemy spawn curve (for real this time)

[summer sparrow]

did you re-add flooded to attenuation 👁️

[lucid cargo]

Jesus christ Distinct calm down you’re overfeeding us 🙏

[craggy merlin]

I readded that a while ago

It’s reverse like Adamance

[summer sparrow]

so good dawg

it's so good

I just got the worst fucking attenuation visit ever though

fire exit and main were two feet away from eachother and the only cave entrance was locked with no key

only scrap that was available was a trash can lid 😭

but the new layout.... oh mama...

[lucid cargo]

@silent wigeon Is this is this is this is this this is you is this you is you this you is you you this? !.

[silent wigeon]

what

[lucid cargo]

@

[craggy merlin]

Thanks phone

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1168656318345777313/1344810976440225803/DiscussingFilm_-_1895249424093454687_1.gif

[lucid cargo]

IS THIS AN ACTUAL SCENE IN THE MOVIE

WHAT

[craggy merlin]

The newest trailer

[lucid cargo]

13in1

[lucid cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-roblox-spongebob-showing-apple-spongebob-holding-apple-gif-1207057395722370408

[summer sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/aeth-aether-aethernet-baldi-spoon-gif-14086109519768613736

[lucid cargo]

Is

Is that Baldi

[summer sparrow]

no

it's the evil fucking spoon

[lucid cargo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040875330371604480/1342363066892943390/Jife.gif

[lucid cargo]

IT IS BALDI

[summer sparrow]

the evil fucking spoon keeps staring...

[lucid cargo]

13in1

[summer sparrow]

NO.

IT'S THE EVIL FUCKING SPOON

[craggy merlin]

that's clearly the evil fucking spoon

I can never look at cereal the same way again..

[lucid cargo]

The cereal killer...

[craggy merlin]

Was bored.. (not for DistinctMoonVariety)

[nocturne steeple]

NO

NOT AGAIN

[lucid cargo]

Perceive

[summer sparrow]

imperium warning

[craggy merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/nikocado-avocado-mental-breakdown-mukbang-rage-angry-food-eating-gif-17940312

[stable sorrel]

how you doin that

[craggy merlin]

JLL Components

[stable sorrel]

sick

[keen hull]

oh no...
Is it coming back?

[umbral torrent]

am i out of the loop on smth

[umbral torrent]

This looks really cool whatever it is

[sinful nimbus]

Mu when are you not out of the loop on stuff?

[umbral torrent]

I'm out of the loop on whatever distinct is teasing at the least

I can be in the loop for other stuff it's just idk what this specifically is meant to be

man i can't believe i've just accepted people calling me mu now

[queen tapir]

it a cute nickname

.u.

[umbral torrent]

i guess so

[edgy sinew]

me when

[lofty jacinth]

that's from it steals, I recognized it instantly, that's so cool

[umbral torrent]

Is it?

dope

I had no idea, not familiar with that game

[lofty jacinth]

zeekers made it, really great horror game

[umbral torrent]

I know that much at least

[lucid cargo]

This fucking ROOCKS

[queen tapir]

Faulty Booster

[summer sparrow]

dude this is fucking AMAZING

[lucid cargo]

Attenuation's main doors are significantly smaller than the player

[shrewd quail]

Make it so you need to crouch to enter the building

Unless you have the steam ID of my short friend. I can list it if needed

[craggy merlin]

I’ll fix that when I can (by making you require to crouch to enter)

[craggy merlin]

Should be good now, turns out the doors were just partially submerged into the ground (also caught Retinue having broken lighting for Stormy & Eclipsed, fixed that too)

[summer sparrow]

idk if it's the height maps on the concrete on retinue's first fire exit but the doors and light and ground look separated from the concrete wall by a little bit

[craggy merlin]

uuuuuuuuuh i'm looking at it in editor

genuinely hard to tell

[craggy merlin]

this fire, right?

[summer sparrow]

yee

though it might be the really strong height map

also i love the moon... it's super cool :3

[craggy merlin]

Nah you were right, I changed the wall material and it was ever so slightly seperated. The rotation of the fire exit and building was off by a tiny amount (i'm talking in the decimals)

[summer sparrow]

NICE

yeah i noticed there was a tiny gap

[nocturne steeple]

oh i thought you were just infatuated with the depth map because you were staring very closely at it

[summer sparrow]

oh yeah blaze

I found that next to the fire exit on detritus there's a fence that goes like this

[craggy merlin]

So funny thing is

there is no version of that fence with both sides closed off

[summer sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/103711848821448704/1348670558207741982/stab.gif

hurghhh hurgh kill kill hurghh

that's weird tho

[craggy merlin]

Ya, in most vanilla moons that have the fence they are usually connected to terrain that hide that part

I assume you're talking about the fence next to the staircase near fire where it's most blatant

[summer sparrow]

ahh makes sense, didn't realize it was a vanilla asset

[summer sparrow]

yeye

[lucid cargo]

CS:GO

[queen tapir]

1 way door? .3.

[lucid cargo]

Do the fruit cake and skull marked skins not work now

They're not appearing

Wait wrong thread

Whatever

Same dev

[craggy merlin]

Checked real quick and they seem to work fine?

[lucid cargo]

Wtf

[craggy merlin]

Was thinking maybe it's cuz they didn't use materials which has been problematic in the past but I also checked the project and they do use materials 🤔

[lucid cargo]

It's not The Playplace since other entities' skins work there just fine

It's exclusively these two

Mind you they're in the daytime roster

[craggy merlin]

Do you know if those two can spawn in any of their skins?

[lucid cargo]

Let me try

Yes

[craggy merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

That's so odd

[lucid cargo]

01958948-e26b-a8fa-2e7f-fa089748ea8e

Why are my logs 20 fucking mb

[craggy merlin]

there is a lot of AggresiveMaterialFix logs in there

[lucid cargo]

What

did I not

bruh

I meant to disable those logs

Sorry

[silent wigeon]

average aggressivematerialfix L

[craggy merlin]

lol dw

[craggy merlin]

Does Playplace normally have Spiders and Fleas in their daytime roster?

Cuz I don't see them in there through LLL config

[lucid cargo]

no

[craggy merlin]

Hm. I guess it wouldn't matter anyways because I doubt it has to do with them being in the daytime roster

[lucid cargo]

Other skins work

[craggy merlin]

Brackens are in Cosomocos' daytime roster and they spawn with their skin fine

[lucid cargo]

So yea

Even spawning them via Imperium, the skin doesn't manifest

[craggy merlin]

Could you maybe raise the LogLevel in SkinRegistry's config, spawn them and send me your logs?

Maybe that can point to something, cuz otherwise I have no clue. I'm spawning them with Imperium too and they work

[lucid cargo]

Will do

Bro

You can'

t

choose all of them

😭

I'll send warn, then info

[craggy merlin]

Info is the highest, it'll also show warn and error

[lucid cargo]

O wtf

[craggy merlin]

So...

SkinRegistry is recognizing the enemy and makes an attempt to skin them

but... it just does nothing??

Like here for the nutcracker it applies sucessfully

[silent wigeon]

why specifically for the playplace

this is one of the most bizarre bugs for any mod ive ever seen

[craggy merlin]

See but I'm testing it myself and they do work on playplace

so

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[lucid cargo]

Hrm

I should probably clear my cache then mayb

[craggy merlin]

There's no way you just have the skin disabled, right?

That's my last guess

[lucid cargo]

Yeah, they're enabled

[craggy merlin]

Wack

[lucid cargo]

Yeah, didn't work

It's exclusively these two anyway

I'll try redownloading the mod then

Nope

Didn't work

I'm not reinstalling Gale for this 😭

[craggy merlin]

Rip skull marked and fruit flea..

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-grave-gif-10458550

[smoky sierra]

what the fuck

(on latest version)

[craggy merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/astrollc-gif-22827430

[lucid cargo]

Yea Detritus’ hint doesn’t appear if you install it and Volition on the standalone versions

Thankfully downloading the main pack didn’t override my edits, so no issue arose from that

[smoky sierra]

I'm not on the stand alone

also it was working last update (v2.0.2)

but I'll try to narrow it down

what the fuck

OH WAIT

Alzheimer's

I went back a version and saw it was working and I thought I was crazy

but this is v2.0.2

[smoky sierra]

and this is on v2.0.3

something broke somehow

[craggy merlin]

Urgh, that’s just me forgetting to swap game objects before bundling

There’s one version with the mod check and one without

Like the 3rd time I forget lol

[smoky sierra]

at least its easy to fix

[stable sorrel]

oh hey you actually dropped the dependency for story logs!

i never noticed

thats nice :>

[craggy merlin]

Yeh Was very easy to figure out once I looked into it

[edgy sinew]

tbh i think they should change the population info from "alive" to "thriving" since that would fit more

[hot sable]

Hey is like the embrion based moon supposed to be hidden??

[craggy merlin]

Yes

[hot sable]

ah okay gotta fix that

[stable sorrel]

@craggy merlin were you able to get the heat wave effect from embrion working somehow?

my project patcher always decompiles it like this

[craggy merlin]

Nope, I just made my own heat wave effect

[stable sorrel]

ya im about to make my own xd

[craggy merlin]

afaik the project patcher just doesn't decompile it correctly

[stable sorrel]

what texture did you use D:

im struggling to get it to look good

[craggy merlin]

I saw you figured it out already in your channel but I used this for my heat wave

[stable sorrel]

i used something very similar

actually

we used the same texture

lmfao

[craggy merlin]

lol

[stable sorrel]

i dont like how scale by distance works

it makes it get more intense the closer you are

which is like

the opposite of what it should be doing

:/

[craggy merlin]

I don't think I use scale by distance in mine, mine kinda has the opposite effect and looks more noticeable from further away

[stable sorrel]

trying to figure that out rn

[lucid cargo]

"CC Detritus might be my most fun moon so far"

CC Detritus just a second later:

Also, naturally-spawned missiles float

[craggy merlin]

I'll look to fixing that later today among a few other things I've been meaning to fix

[queen tapir]

among

[craggy merlin]

DistinctMoonVariety Update (v2.1.0)

• Remove unused custom scrap (Volatile Grenade & Pin Flashlight)

77 Volition

• Added a unique Mansion visual pass if its the chosen interior
  • Open to feedback on this
• Many minor fixes around the outside
• Fixed Radiobox having no icon
• Fixed the Main mod version not having the SoS Graffiti (again..)
• Balance Pass

98 Retinue

• Many minor fixes around the outside

24 Detritus

• Fixed naturally spawning missles floating
• Balance Pass

[lucid cargo]

What I gotta check those two items out

I'm curious now

[craggy merlin]

They're broken and can't be spawned anyway, but the model n stuff were still in the mod

[lucid cargo]

They straight up don't exist

Imperium's displaying nothing

Unfortunate

What do they look like at least?

[craggy merlin]

They were really nothing special, just recolors of the Flash Grenade / Pro Flashlight before they were scrapped. They were meant to be "alternatives" to the original items that could be found in a place on Retinue I planned on making, but that whole idea was canned because I wasn't really satisfied with it. Radiobox was also originally from that idea until it was repurposed for Volition instead

Volatile Grenade was a damaging Flash Grenade without the stun and the Pin Flaslight had longer battery life with a more narrow light

[craggy merlin]

here's an old video I sent of the Volatile Grenade to show friends

[rugged gull]

Do you think it would ever be possible to upload the volatile grenade as a shop item mod?

I don't think there is a (currently working) mod at all that adds a simple timed damage grenade.

I used to use this a while back, but was never updated and doesn't work anymore
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Garf/FragGrenade/

[craggy merlin]

I could, though I'd need to remake it again and it did have some minor bugs before I stopped working on it, like being an instakill instead of a varying amount of damage

[lucid cargo]

Happens with dull apparatus too

[craggy merlin]

I checked those and they don't appear to be?

[lucid cargo]

Hrm

Might be a Gray Apartments thing maybe

Not sure

@dark epoch Question mark

[dark epoch]

wha

[silent wigeon]

you fuck with this? @craggy merlin

[craggy merlin]

I fuck with it haha

[silent wigeon]

love a good eject button strat

[blazing condor]

thats peak holy shi

[smoky sierra]

I couldn't land on Volition

wait

let me get on a separate instance

did one with only Distinct Moon Variety and it still didn't land

[craggy merlin]

Hm...

Maybe it's because I literally forgot to bundle Volition's scene into the mod

https://tenor.com/view/cat-zoning-out-cat-stare-black-cat-black-cat-tiktok-stare-gif-6568742496074847242

(pushed a fix right now)

(ᵃⁿᵈ ʰᵒᵖᵉᶠᵘˡˡʸ ᵗʰᵉ ˡᵃˢᵗ ᵈᵃᵐⁿ ʰᵒᵗᶠᶦˣ ᶦ ᵖᵘˢʰ ᵗʰᶦˢ ᶦˢ ˡᶦᵏᵉ ᵗʰᵉ ᵗʰᶦʳᵈ ᵘᵖᵈᵃᵗᵉ ᵗᵒᵈᵃʸ)

[smoky sierra]

cool

HOLY SHIT

THIS LOOKS SO COOL

this is like exactly what I suggested for a forest moon mansion in chameleon

@unique grail not sure if I should ping you but you might wanna look at this?

[lucid cargo]

Hi

So

Mineshaft's stinger played outside on Detritus upon exiting into the mech apparatus' fire exit

What the fuck lmao

0195d671-a518-c913-20e7-044b9144704d

[lucid cargo]

You can also drive across the water on Retinue

Oh, what?

It's not water anymore?

[craggy merlin]

???

There’s no Water on Retinue? You're looking at the trainyard's turntable

[craggy merlin]

As for this, I can't seem to recreate it even on your profile. The only time I can make it happen is if you go in without interacting with the doors (like using Inverse Teleporting) then exiting through any of the doors

In which case that doesn't seem to be a moon issue since I can recreate that on any moon

[lucid cargo]

God I’m so fucking stupid bro

[craggy merlin]

The turntable's material is super stretched in so I can see how you could mistake it for water (I was confused at what I was looking at for a second seeing that picture for the first time)

I should probably touch up on that like how I did for the Volition building

[unique grail]

this appears to be my fault

looks like i forgot to check if you are going through an entrance in revisitstingers

i just never tested with inverse teleporter

i need to update revisitstingers to integrate lobbycompatibility anyway so this is a good excuse for me to push an update

[unique grail]

is it just fog?

[smoky sierra]

no it is not

the actual textures have been recolored I believe

[unique grail]

ah

yeah

[smoky sierra]

the window is even different

[unique grail]

i would probably start simple and just add color variants

manors have green, pink, and tan walls (depending on the tile)

an all green variant would look good on forests

not sure how all tan would be look, probably a bit too bright

[craggy merlin]

Ah I see, makes sense

[smoky sierra]

video

the lights are based on weather I believe

[craggy merlin]

It's the moon's fog that changes the looks of the light's colors, which yes changes on weather (Stormy & Eclipse)

[smoky sierra]

dark and twisted mansion

[summer sparrow]

are the book shelves different too?

prettyyy

[smoky sierra]

indeed

[summer sparrow]

woodland mansion ass interior

so good..

[smoky sierra]

I think something around this color could work for a desert moon one

[unique grail]

i have fixed this now

i was about to publish with a fix for this bug (checking if you are using an entrance door before playing the stinger) but then i realized it would actually make more sense to implement stingers when you inverse teleport

so that became a new feature

[craggy merlin]

Good stuff 🙌

[lucid cargo]

Wtf

I hear an iconic horror ambience on Volition

Like

one you'd see in a top 10 creepy [x] video

I haven't heard it in YEARS

and it's surreal to hear it here in a video game I love

Why is foggy Volition is dark 💔

[craggy merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254571495167098941/1313681768574091275/copy_84877E2E-E21A-463A-AA2D-A728D047E8FE.gif

[lucid cargo]

Cheese

[smoky sierra]

Cheese Mansion

[craggy merlin]

Oh christ I just realized it's only 6:31 in that photo

That's worse than I thought

[silent wigeon]

its bad the entire time

but i memorized the map already

narpy has lockers spawn outside on volition though

so i couldnt use the scanner to have a form of light and scan the ship for a moment

[craggy merlin]

outside lockers in the fog is devious bro

[lucid cargo]

That is the point lol

They work so well on Volition due to its natural darkness

but before the most recent update, them being in the fog was fine

It's super dark now soo

[craggy merlin]

ooo I think I know why

a while back I gave Volition a unique stormy volume but I think that volume is also used in other weathers

Could be that for foggy

Did you notice the interior lights being tinted blue on that day?

[lucid cargo]

Yes

[craggy merlin]

Okay then yeah I need to change how the volume is applied like how eclipsed does it

Can look into it after my LC session with friends tonight

[craggy merlin]

DistinctMoonVariety Update (v2.1.3)

77 Volition

• Readded the terminal video (didn't realize it was missing)
• Changed how the unique Stormy volume is applied so it does not apply to other weathers that also use the Stormy volume
• Adjusted Stormy & Eclipsed volume fog & darkness
• Adjusted outside enemy spawns & curves

98 Retinue

• Fixed inaccurate mesh colliders
• Fixed certain Reverb Trigger errors
• Changed Trainyard Turntable material

[smoky sierra]

cool

[smoky sierra]

Does Detritus not have any way to spawn daytime creatures?

I don't really know the name for it but I think its called spawn nodes? because in my modpack detritus always has the blackout weather so I was gonna have daytime lockers

[worldly gate]

Did you make sure that the Locker was part of the spawn pool in the configs?

[smoky sierra]

yes

I was presuming that there might not be since the default has nothing spawning during the day

[worldly gate]

Rarity might have something to do with it...

[smoky sierra]

I made it so its the only thing that can spawn in the day

and I've used other vanilla enemies to test if its only the locker and they don't spawn either

while I haven't tested the locker on other moons for during the day I've heard in this thread (here:#1281903801623777371 message) that someone else had them on other distinct moons

[lucid cargo]

I use CentralConfig and I haven't had issues spawning custom entities outside on Detritus

Namely shockwave drones

[smoky sierra]

huh

[lucid cargo]

My guess is a Quantities issue but Idk

[smoky sierra]

during the day?

[lucid cargo]

Yes

Tho I do have the spawn curve increased a bit

So you might have to fiddle with that if you can

I think Quantities allows you to edit the spawn curves themselves

[smoky sierra]

what is the spawn curve for during the day since what you have there is night time curve I believe?

also I did more extensive testing a couple months ago its just that the locker stuff was brought back up before in this thread and I finally decided to see if I could get it working again

[lucid cargo]

No

It's a general spawn curve for all of them

[smoky sierra]

oh

[lucid cargo]

Idk why, but yeah

[smoky sierra]

okay

I'm gonna just delete the config I currently have for detritus and try to start over then because maybe me messing with the configs when it first came out broke something

[craggy merlin]

This is Detritus daytime curve, 0 probability range

dunno if that helps to the above discussion but y'know

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254571495167098941/1313681768574091275/copy_84877E2E-E21A-463A-AA2D-A728D047E8FE.gif

ya

[lucid cargo]

0 probability?

What does that mean

[craggy merlin]

Spawn Probability Range

Or specifically Daytime Enemies Probability Range in the context of the above message

[nocturne steeple]

probability ranges should probably be atleast 1, or things might not spawn

[unique grail]

probability range of 0 just means there will be no variability in day-to-day spawns

[unique grail]

this curve spawns exactly 4 enemies at 6 AM and exactly 1 enemy at 12 AM

with linear interpolation (rounded down) between those two points

every day

[nocturne steeple]

on my moon prominence, i have a probability range of 0 for nighttime and interior enemies. no nighttime or interior enemies spawn on prominence

[unique grail]

what is their spawn curve?

[craggy merlin]

Even if that meant that, Detritus has no daytime enemies anyways. And the normal Spawn Probability Range is 4

[unique grail]

and do you have any daytime/nighttime enemies defined on prominence?

as an example

public void SpawnDaytimeEnemiesOutside()
{
    if (this.currentLevel.DaytimeEnemies == null || this.currentLevel.DaytimeEnemies.Count <= 0)
    {
        return;
    }
    if (this.currentDaytimeEnemyPower > (float)this.currentLevel.maxDaytimeEnemyPowerCount)
    {
        return;
    }
    float num = this.timeScript.lengthOfHours * (float)this.currentHour;
    float num2 = this.currentLevel.daytimeEnemySpawnChanceThroughDay.Evaluate(num / this.timeScript.totalTime);
    int num3 = Mathf.Clamp(this.AnomalyRandom.Next((int)(num2 - this.currentLevel.daytimeEnemiesProbabilityRange), (int)(num2 + this.currentLevel.daytimeEnemiesProbabilityRange)), 0, 20);
    GameObject[] array = GameObject.FindGameObjectsWithTag("OutsideAINode");
    int num4 = 0;
    while (num4 < num3 && this.SpawnRandomDaytimeEnemy(array, num))
    {
        num4++;
    }
}

if DaytimeEnemies is null or empty, the function returns immediately

or if daytime power exceeds max daytime power

[nocturne steeple]

yes

[unique grail]

daytimeEnemiesProbabilityRange is just part of the num3 calculation

[nocturne steeple]

just a ramp from what i remember

[unique grail]

with 0, it does random.next(num2 - 0, num2 + 0)

which would just return num2

with no adjustments

[unique grail]

as is standard for random.next

[unique grail]

a ramp starting and ending where though

if y is always below 1 on your curve, then with 0 spawn probability range, the curve would never say "spawn 1 enemy"

because it would always calculate a number less than 1 through Evaluate, which gets cast to an integer (and thus truncated to 0), with 0 added or subtracted

negative numbers would get brought to 0 by Mathf.Clamp

[nocturne steeple]

i'll open unity to check

[unique grail]

i can double check vanilla's behavior with the values you post

if everything looks like it's hooked up right, there might be some mod interfering with spawn behavior, which might be a concern

[unique grail]

which curve is this

and what's the corresponding enemy list and max power

[nocturne steeple]

prominence interior. inside power is 12, list is SandSpider, Centipede, Blob, SpringMan, Crawler, HoarderBug, Jester, Puffer, Nutcracker, MaskedPlayerEnemy, ClaySurgeon, CaveDweller

[unique grail]

and prominence supports indoor spawns, yeah? thought we were talking about daytime/outside

[nocturne steeple]

nighttime and interior

[unique grail]

oh i misread your post initially

whoops

does prominence generate an interior that spawns vents? indoor spawns are also canceled if no vents exist in the scene

also i forgot to mention earlier but outside ("night time") spawns have a hardcoded probability range of 3

it's not customizable on a per-level basis outside of mods that change vanilla's behavior

[nocturne steeple]

just generates vanilla facility (and very rarely mansion)

[nocturne steeple]

ah

then why don't they spawn?????????

[unique grail]

well

i still dont know what the outdoor curve is

if outdoor curve never returns a number greater than -3 from Evaluate then even with probability range 3, you'll never get outdoor spawns

also wont get outdoor spawns if the list is empty or outdoor power is 0 or less

[nocturne steeple]

nighttime power is 6, has MouthDog, Sandspider and Springman and the curve looks like this

[summer sparrow]

oh I like how you used all the non hyper oppressive roadblock enemies for the outside, that's neat

[nocturne steeple]

you are being sent to thalasso

[summer sparrow]

ive never gone there!!

[hot sable]

Question

does violition get refrence in other logs?

as I don't like that moon (mainly like I love the fox enemy but I wish he was more fair/fun to fight against)

but not have it be weird and refrence it still

[upbeat osprey]

How do i view the tapes/story logs i can find on the moons?

I've never actually been able to read any of them and they don't show up when i type "sigurd'

[nocturne steeple]

put them in a log translator, type sigurd in the terminal

[hot sable]

I want to add the other moons but besides violition but can't due to || detrius's code spawning in violition as I want to set that moon to hidden||

[hot sable]

So any ideas?

[misty rampart]

Sorry i barely know anything, but i thought if you installed the moons individually it did not add those codes?

[hot sable]

OH wait they dont?

then how would making detrition hidden work then?

[summer sparrow]

it wouldn't be hidden on its standalone i don't think

[hot sable]

i know but beats the purpose of it being a hidden moon

[misty rampart]

On standalone just use a config like quantities or central to hide the moon

tons of mods do it

[hot sable]

yea I know like using just LLL

as there's a way to do that

in LLL config

[misty rampart]

There is

Dont remember how, but had to use for another mod forever ago

[summer sparrow]

you can hide moons through LLL then i think

you just have to set this to true

[hot sable]

I know I was like just saying-

How would one find them

I know how to do that-

[summer sparrow]

hidden moons don't usually work like wesley's hidden moons if that's what you mean

you just type the name and you get the moon

[hot sable]

😭

I donb't use wealsey

[summer sparrow]

unless you want people to discover the moon?

[hot sable]

I KNOW HOW THIS SHIT WORKS

YES

💀

[summer sparrow]

you can just use a custom story log then

[summer sparrow]

lmao chill

[hot sable]

lol

[summer sparrow]

[hot sable]

fire emote

[upbeat osprey]

what the heck is a log translator

Never heard of that before

Tried to look up what it was...and got nothing.

(and yes i have found several like the one on Attenuation but then i type "sigurd" and nothing shows uo)

[umbral torrent]

There's one on every wesley moon

Usually close to where ship is

[umbral torrent]

There should be one in the entrance of galetry, for an easy-to-access one

At least for the audio logs

You can use that to put them in under sigurd on the terminal + unlock any relevant moons

[upbeat osprey]

so a "log translator" is a seperate thing you have to find to be able to access the tapes

[umbral torrent]

Oh as for the tapes

Galetry also has a tape player

There's a lil projector all the way up the stairs inside that you can view the tapes on

[upbeat osprey]

I found one behind a cruiser wreck on Attenuation and i have no idea how to use it

[umbral torrent]

Attenuation isn't one of wesley's moons

[upbeat osprey]

I thought it was damn

[umbral torrent]

I'd assume that's just plain "check sigurd and figure out where the log is"

[upbeat osprey]

yeah...that doesn't work

[umbral torrent]

I actually find that kinda odd that you found a log/tape on there since to my knowledge distinctmoonvariety doesn't have any lore logs/tapes to speak of

[upbeat osprey]

??? This is for the mod DIstinct Moon Variety

this isn't for wesleys moons

[umbral torrent]

Well

yeah

[upbeat osprey]

we are on the chat room for this mod

[umbral torrent]

We are, come to think of it

[upbeat osprey]

which is why i was asking for help on how to read the logs from THIS mod not wesleys

[umbral torrent]

Idk why the log translator got brought up since that's a wesley's moons feature 💀

[upbeat osprey]

this is on the mod page

and yet the logs dont seem to work or require something else to use or something

i want to read them but they dont ever show up in the terminal after i find them

[umbral torrent]

If it's just smth you pick up and it gives you a notification it should be as simple as just picking them up and checking sigurd

Since that's how the vanilla logs work

[upbeat osprey]

You'd think so

[umbral torrent]

🤔

[upbeat osprey]

Though ever since i picked it for the very first time quite some time ago, even on new saves it doesn't even give me the notification i picked it up

[umbral torrent]

That. might be a bug then?

[upbeat osprey]

Maybe.

I love the idea of new lore tapes but ive never gotten to read ANY of them.

[umbral torrent]

yea lore is cool, i had no idea this mod added logs until just now myself

[upbeat osprey]

I guess i was the only one who read the mod page lol

maybe ill do a fresh reinstall of the mod.

Because currently i cant read any of them.

[umbral torrent]

mayhaps

[upbeat osprey]

(though i admit the only one ive found is on Attenuation)

[umbral torrent]

Esp since the vast majority of mods that add some form of lore keep it to just doing it like how vanilla does it

And I don't see why this mod would have smth extra involved

[upbeat osprey]

Yeah i don't know why Wesley would change things so drastically, seems like a lot of really unnecessarily complex steps just to read some lore.

[upbeat osprey]

You know of any cool mods thst add lore?

(Thst isn't a pain in the ass to obtain)

[silent wigeon]

no one really cares about lore or expanding on sigurds story

that is to say, i dont think any other mods have lore or expand sigurds

maybe demonmaes moons have lore but im not really 100% on that

[umbral torrent]

The lore and the means of getting to moons in that mod are pretty deeply intertwined

So you have a reason to seek it out and listen to it

It's dope

The mod's lore is split between video tapes, audio logs and lil bits of paper you can read

Ik rosie's moons have more traditional logs, maybe when those update you could look into that

[craggy merlin]

Weird, they should work. I did a quick test and it seems to be working fine (can open the log and everything)

(and i just noticed the logs have errors in them while testing this... maybe they are due for a bit of a rewrite)

[clever violet]

Is Detritus meant to be hidden? (as there is S.O.S writing on Volition) or is the S.O.S for something else on Detritus

Also the Volatile Grenade and Pin Flashlight sounded cool af, hoping they get finished and added back one day

[craggy merlin]

Detritus is meant to be hidden, yes

[summer sparrow]

pongroma...

[lucid cargo]

This issue is still present

[craggy merlin]

So I tested this (again) with that interior this time instead of vanilla interiors and I can only find it floating like this when it spawns on a table like this

I just don't know why specifically there tho

[lucid cargo]

Yes it's specifically an issue /w the Gay Apartments

[silent wigeon]

theres probably other interiors this happens

idk if id really bother trying to figure out the issue

[lucid cargo]

I don't think this is an issue /w the interior since the rest of the scrap spawns just fine

[worldly gate]

I see what you did there

[silent wigeon]

the apparatus in vanilla does have weird properties with how it spawns if it were to spawn via spawn weight

[lucid cargo]

Gay Apartments my beloved

[craggy merlin]

Hm

[lucid cargo]

E.g. shroud samples, broken devices, and missiles

[silent wigeon]

heres a very old video when i first discovered this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1199882664367378462/1255856704978157568/2024-06-27_06-57-10_-_Trim.mp4?ex=68019773&is=680045f3&hm=610033ff98628a14481c0155fd6c312d77d199a51cc9c4973ff47b5f09772cfa&

its only the apparatus that does this

[craggy merlin]

I was thinking it could be something I didn't put in the scraps but looking into it nvm

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1254571495167098941/1313681768574091275/copy_84877E2E-E21A-463A-AA2D-A728D047E8FE.gif

Been a while since I opened up the unity project

[stable sorrel]

foggy on retinue doesn't cover the whole playable area

it cuts off abruptly near main entrance

[silent wigeon]

embrion:

[stable sorrel]

i fixed that shit 9999999 years ago

[silent wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-burning-robert-helpmann-markiplier-getting-over-it-rage-gif-1734552878806861009

[stable sorrel]

zeeker was kinda stoopid with fog volumes theres a lot of moons where it just mistakingly doesnt cover everything

like uhh titan and vow

[silent wigeon]

titan makes sense

vow covers the area you actually play so

[stable sorrel]

the fire exit valley has a fog cutoff

in vanilla

titan has it near the scaffolding thing

[silent wigeon]

the weather or the natural fog

cause the natural fog does the same thing at rends fire exit

[stable sorrel]

idk abt the weather cuz i use weathertweaks and it fixees foggy

i meant the natural fog

[stable sorrel]

i made the fog there fade out

instead of cutting off

it looks nice

was a pain though

[craggy merlin]

I’ll fix later today when I’m free 👍

[smoky sierra]

nice

[stable sorrel]

i actually dont know if it was the local fog volume or the foggy weather volume tbh but im pretty sure it was the former

also, could i write a script for you that gives the players a dim light inside the fire exit on retinue? like the one you have in the facility? its pitch black and you can just get stuck if you have no light

[craggy merlin]

If you want to, sure! That was actually something I tried seeing if I could do before Retinue released. Originally the outside fire exit telepoint would set you "inside" but it lead to some weird jank behaviors

Eventually I kinda just bit the bullet and only made it set the inside lighting and figured it was fine-ish as is. I could've just added lights in the tunnels but I really like keeping the tunnels dark and spooky

[craggy merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-zoning-out-cat-stare-black-cat-black-cat-tiktok-stare-gif-6568742496074847242

I'm honestly not sure why they can shoot through??

Those crates definitely have colliders, I guess turrets don't care about that..?

[summer sparrow]

maybe it's like the layer they're on that makes it so they cant shoot through?

[worldly gate]

Do projectiles or hitscan indicators like bullets have a separate collider for them?

I know games like TF2 has that so explosions don't bleed through the walls and kill people in Spawn

[lucid cargo]

This can happen

Not sure if it's something you can fix though

Attenuation doesn't lacks the BigMachine ambience

[craggy merlin]

BigMachine ambience?

or you mean BigFactoryInside

[craggy merlin]

Checked in editor and there's a navmesh surface in that rock when there shouldn't be. I'll clean that up

[lucid cargo]

@craggy merlin https://www.patreon.com/posts/modelling-and-126199593

Heads up about the Volition Manor

TL;DR: Its textures are likely going to get borked in the upcoming v70 update due to all of the Manor's models getting changed

[craggy merlin]

Ya I've seen the post when it first released. I imagine what'll end up happening is that the materials just won't be replaced since they'll be changed

Eitherway it should be easy to fix the changed existing materials once the update is out, the trickier part will be the new rooms and new materials

[lucid cargo]

Volition car will be real in 12 dollars

[craggy merlin]

It'll be a Mercedes-Benz EQB 300 4MATIC SUV (very important to volition lore)

https://tenor.com/view/fire-book-fire-book-dies-fire-book-falls-over-fire-book-falls-dies-cringe-gif-7295403596432690175

[lucid cargo]

TRUE

[smoky sierra]

I hope the Volition car looks interesting

[summer sparrow]

it will be volTASTIC i tell you

[smoky sierra]

If another moon gets made it would be cool if it got another interior pass like Volition

[craggy merlin]

I've kinda humored the thought of giving the other moons an interior pass with friends but idkkk

Like giving Attenuation unique mines visuals or Retinue unique factory visuals

[proper girder]

are the props clipping thru ship when you leave retinue a known bug? it happens on both the full pack and the individual moon

[smoky sierra]

unique factory for Retinue would be amazing

[craggy merlin]

MY COLLEGE SPRING TERM IS OVER

Overdue fixes update finally coming soon

[worldly gate]

[hot sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1242135809314918452/1364937131738398720/twitter_1915266510727324121.gif

[craggy merlin]

Now that v70 is out I'll finally continue working on the update I mentioned lol... It's going to take a a bit longer due to the new v70 radar and needing to update the unity project but I'm working on it

[smoky sierra]

I'm excited to see what you do to the Volition mansion ||(I hope the green house has some vain shroud like things inside)||

[summer sparrow]

I love this a lot!!! looks super nice

I wonder if now that the radar's display is very easily customizable if people will make the outlines have diff colors or smth

[craggy merlin]

I'm curious about how far you can go with it too, seeing how Zeekers makes the company building look ominous in the radar and such

Definitely can be messed around with the right stuff

[smoky sierra]

I hope this room is fucked up and evil in Volition

[summer sparrow]

does it look any different?

[nocturne steeple]

behind the wall is a dark red static effect

[summer sparrow]

oh i think it's actually just the non-playable area

the water's like that too

[vivid nebula]

do we know if the new v70 addition will be added to at least one of the moons?

[craggy merlin]

Likely will be low chance on Volition & Retinue, but we'll see when I actually get to it because I need to think and see about where the nest can spawn

[vivid nebula]

yeah that's fair

[smoky sierra]

yeah

[worldly quest]

I have them set to spawn on Retinue right now myself, doesn't work too well. The map has too much surface area so it almost always spawns too far to be worth it. I think it works well on Volition though.

[smoky sierra]

I think it could work well if its set to specific spawns

[craggy merlin]

They can spawn on Assurance so I assumed it’d be fine yeah

[craggy merlin]

Thinking about it more, yeah Retinue probably wouldn’t be best. It’s a very flat moon with wide open areas so the Sapsucker could just rush you down with no way of delaying them

I’m not really sure about Volition either because I’m imagining it could be possible they spawn on the pathways to main/fire which would make them very hazardous obstacles

The pathways are sort of tight

[worldly quest]

Only really good if you want players to use the cruiser to run it over or lightning from stormy weather to shock it imo. Big maps in general are very unreliable for it as there becomes both a smaller chance for the player to run into it the bigger a map is and also trouble with surviving it without killing it first. Small maps such as Vow work well due to the ships proximity always being a sprint or two away regardless of map distance with it being so "enclosed"

But yeah do be considerate of it potentially blocking paths too. But as long as the paths aren't taking up like, 50% of the map space it usually is fine.

[craggy merlin]

They’d still be a rare chance on Volition since Tulips and Bees are the main focus for daytime spawns so probably it’s fine, and there’s still ways to enter if it spawns in a pathway

It would be cool if I could give them set spawns but it’s seed-based so probably not possible

[nocturne steeple]

d eltarune...

[vivid nebula]

but march has trees

[vivid nebula]

actually 🤓

if it spawns on a moon with no tree, it'll just walk around for a few seconds and then go sleep, that's it

[verbal cloud]

🙄

[nocturne steeple]

when another moon comes out there should be an enemy skin but it should be for an enemy that doesn't spawn on that moon

[weak kindle]

Extension Ladder falls through chain link fence on Attenuation. Was that an intentional change?

[craggy merlin]

Definitely not. Detritus has the same issue with the lower fence at the facility if you put the ladder too close and both will be fixed

Though honestly speaking I’ve been lacking progress wise and things are going slow cuz Volition and a bunch of JLL components across all the moons broke during the transition of moving stuff to a updated Unity project and it’s a very monotonous process

[vivid nebula]

at least it prevents you from being lazy and just going around the problem lol (jetpack still exists tho)

[weak kindle]

First of all, that's the whole point of those tools. Second, it doesn't. You can set up ladder at the end of the fence, by propping it up against the hill.

[keen hull]

hope that can be fixed some day :,]
It was kinda annoying

[craggy merlin]

Volition's old building model is back (with better materials oooh)

Also this is an alive check just to let people know yes I am still alive and yes the v72 or whatever update is still coming smiley face. I'm going over the moons and doing touch-ups and fixing here and there, i still don't know when the update will come out if i'm brutally honest.

The lethal burnout was very real

Also turns out doing countour maps is just not fun!

[summer sparrow]

yes

YES

YEEEEES

https://tenor.com/view/rage-pain-scream-screaming-gif-11380082828166253172

this but with a smile saying yes (i couldn't find the gif)

this looks fucking AWESOME distinct...

[summer sparrow]

it is not! fuck that shit

[craggy merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-morgan-freeman-true-nod-nodding-gif-14234550309071562398

[shrewd quail]

So peak

[smoky sierra]

Yay!

I'm excited to see if there are any changes to the interior pass

I hope the car at least is a different color

[keen hull]

Are there any plans to fix the extension ladder that goes through the Attenuation fence?

[craggy merlin]

Already fixed internally for Attenuation & Detritus

[keen hull]

gotcha!

[summer sparrow]

was it a layer issue?

I never tried using extension ladders on my moons so idk if they work properly

[silent wigeon]

make sure you check if all 40k mods work properly on it too :)

[summer sparrow]

LOL

I mean that's a separate issue

I suppose they're talking about vanilla extension ladders and not that mod that adds 30 of em that reach from the ship to march main

[craggy merlin]

Nah, I just had to mess with the collider on the fences, they were paper thin

Not sure if the vanilla fences are just like that or I made them like that by mistake, this has admittedly been a very old bug iirc (why did it take me this long to fix? erm... glurp)

[summer sparrow]

ahhh okok, makes sense

[smoky sierra]

mon

[silent wigeon]

whar

what would you even have as achievements

oh

wait

i thought this was your skin mod forum post LMAO

[craggy merlin]

I'll add an achivement to witness every skin in one save file :trollface:

[craggy merlin]

Also I'm only curious, absolutely no guarantees regardless of results

[silent wigeon]

my friends will hate this for my mod packs

"guys we gotta do this for clout trust"

the 3% skin of almost every monster spawn:

[craggy merlin]

Seeing every barber:

[summer sparrow]

i'd like to know what you're thinkin of before voting but rn im indifferent to it

FUCKYOU

[craggy merlin]

Think of like, just doing specific niche things in the moons (Secrets, Easter Eggs, etc.) like powering a dull apparatus in Detritus

All the moons are getting a little sprinkle of new things and some revisions next update

[summer sparrow]

oh

then maybe ye

if dawnlib has a setting to disable the achievements/achievements menu i'm totally down

[vivid nebula]

You could add them same way i did

Just an achievement for landing on each moon

[craggy merlin]

imo I would want the achievements to be ones that require more player effort

Not just "stand here" or "go here" and get a free achievement (in most scenarios)

[remote wedge]

Dawnlib took a bit of time to understand

But imma be so fr

The customization for it was way better than LLL and a lil less confusing

I feel it'd be pretty cool

[smoky sierra]

Oooo

I'm excited to see

[craggy merlin]

Work in Progress

[silent wigeon]

is this your spooky moon

[craggy merlin]

Yes, I even put a little freddy fazbear near the main entrance

But no, this moon's idea came from the snow moons and Artifice

[silent wigeon]

immersion breaking bad

[craggy merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-hank-schrader-gif-17063271362389248046

[summer sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kurimanju-kuri-manju-chiikawa-flight-flightreacts-gif-7597581804084076047

[smoky sierra]

That looks so cool

[craggy merlin]

Not exactly sure what's going on with the talk of updating unity and such but just to be extra precautious I am backing my stuff up on Github

[craggy merlin]

Work in Progress 2 (Attenuation)

[smoky sierra]

Nice

[keen hull]

Still hoping to see this someday

[crimson cove]

saying that like it was posted a year ago lol

[smoky sierra]

I hope I get to see this before I die of old age

[craggy merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-santaclaus-tim-allen-gif-9523676

Still very much being worked on lol just been a bit slow and keeping progress to myself for now, all the moons are getting additions + changes one way or another

[smoky sierra]

nice

[craggy merlin]

Work In Progress 3 (Volition)

[keen hull]

Glad to see some progress ❤️

[craggy merlin]

Not gonna lie, been kinda sidetracked lately enjoying Look Outside among working on other things aside from this mod

But progress is good, progress is good. Only major things left are Detritus and the new moon

[keen hull]

Don't wory, I at least will be waiting galdly for your progress :]

[queen tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/the-fog-is-coming-brutality-gif-26972933

[craggy merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pacifier-kitten-black-cat-kitty-gif-17838044

[silent wigeon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1082753406705352744/1103127263647641710/n9mo329izuwa1.gif

[craggy merlin]

What would you guys think if I might possibly need to add LethalSponge as a dependency in the future cuz some new trees leaves I got do that awful thing of sticking out of the fog and I honestly got no clue why. LethalSponge’s method of shading fixes that problem conveniently and I’m kinda considering it

Given the shader from that mod will eventually be added to vanilla lethal, if my update comes out before then it would only be a temporary thing at least

[silent wigeon]

Given the shader from that mod will eventually be added to vanilla lethal
huh????

[craggy merlin]

Yes that is correct, Zeeks is accepting help on the shader

He talks about it in his latest patreon post

[silent wigeon]

i see

well at least no more memory leak in the future lol

[craggy merlin]

Thinking more about it I don’t think anyone would mind me adding Lethal Sponge as a temporary dependency anyways. I assume probably 90% of people use that mod anyways given just how useful it is

[summer sparrow]

I didn't use it until they made the shader 1-1 with basegame

it absolutely fried textures before

but rn I probably wouldn't super mind

[smoky sierra]

Nice

[tranquil rapids]

Recently finished my first run and this game is a real gem! I really wish someone would make interiors based on the game, i think it would work really well.

[summer sparrow]

wait i just got a look at this... are these custom trees

apple

[craggy merlin]

The tree is from Sketchfab but I edited the textures to fit more with LC

I don't understand modelling in the slightest lmao (I wish..)

[summer sparrow]

ooo okok

i'd still consider em custom at that point

im very excited...

[smoky sierra]

I mean its basically custom at that point

the main thing is that it works with the game

I like the new trees

they look cool;

[crimson cove]

@craggy merlin would you allow me to make a fork of ColorfulSuits to add prices to them?, full credit given ofc

[craggy merlin]

Talked with the others and we're all okay with it. Feel free!

[crimson cove]

thx

[smoky sierra]

how has the update been going?

[craggy merlin]

Probably obvious atp but my projects have been on pause for a while. Finals was this month and that ate up a lot of time, I also decided that when I do have the time again I would prioritize helping Beef with their skin mod update

Truthfully I don't know when I'll pick up the project again, it's pretty low on the priority list and with another LC update possibly on the horizon I might just wait until then to update my projects and continue then. Apologies that this update has probably taken far longer than expected

[smoky sierra]

thats fair

maybe with the v80 update you could use some of the stuff added from the New March/Vow

[craggy merlin]

I think the biggest benefit will actually be the new fullscreen pass with the shaders, means I don't gotta use mesh terrain probably which will significantly reduce the mod size

Also some of my new trees have weird lighting issues that would be fixed with the new shaders

[vivid nebula]

cool, also could you try fixing navmesh issues on detritus that causes monsters to spawn into walls

[craggy merlin]

I'll keep that noted

[smoky sierra]

I didn't think about that, that would be pretty useful

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/garfield-fulltummy-yum-satisfied-cat-gif-20855507

Just wanted to let everyone know that Distinctblaze ate the moons

They're gone because he ate em

[vivid nebula]

Me waiting for update so we can have