Chameleon

[meager ivy]

but i dunno

super specialized stuff like the mineshaft caverns make sense to split

but like

idk

anyways

[flat geyser]

i still dont understand what the point of unloading is tbh

its like

it takes up double space or something if u dont

right

[meager ivy]

im not entirely sure of the mechanics

the reason ive been doing it that way is just because i learned back in the granny days

you can't load the same asset bundle twice

[flat geyser]

real

[meager ivy]

if you do loadassetbundle on a name that's already loaded

it returns null

[flat geyser]

well thats what the null check is for i was more so talking about the unload(false) thiung

[meager ivy]

and there's no way to fetch loaded asset bundles unless you save your own reference

so i found that, the best way to manage that, was to load the bundle, load what you wanted, and then unload the bundle

so later if you need the bundle again (like if you restart the game and the scene refreshes) you can just reload it without trouble

if you're reusing it frequently enough you can probably just cache a static reference to it

[meager ivy]

but this was the reason i was concerned about doing that

[flat geyser]

i stopped unloading my bundles tbh because i had an issue in clay surgeon overhaul where when i ujnloaded my terminal video for the bestiary entry it would break

[meager ivy]

if it stays loaded in memory, and it can be unloaded from memory separate from the assets you load out of the bundle

then it must have some sort of additional memory cost

i just dont know how expensive that extra cost is or if it's even worth worrying about in the first place

i guess

[flat geyser]

it probably varies

anyways sky thing did you want me to check that out or

if not im gonna go back to my dungen dungeon

[meager ivy]

well

you should probably work on your stuff first

[flat geyser]

oh

well

i suppose

i dont want more people asking me why my shit is deprecated

[granite rampart]

is it just me or is the rainy march option not really work sometimes, juussst sometimes

[flat wraith]

it should add like a slight echo to some sound effects

I think :B

[flat geyser]

thats intentional

idk why tbh

but yeah

it only rains 60%? of the time iirc

[granite rampart]

what

but doesn't it legit say constant on the terminal and stuff

[flat geyser]

..yeah

[granite rampart]

[flat geyser]

i dunno ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i didnt implement it

[granite rampart]

i like rain....

[flat geyser]

buttery and I actually wanted to make a "light rain" effect for march so you can discern it better from actual rainy weather

maybe if i get to that i could also look into adding an actual "constant" rain option

[granite rampart]

true

[flat geyser]

because yeah its kinda weird to me too that its a chance thing

[granite rampart]

lmao why not just keep the sound of the rain

but no rain visuals

[flat geyser]

that would be really weird

[granite rampart]

"the dropplets are too small to see sorry"

i mean it is a grizzle

sooo

i meaann maybe

[flat geyser]

i could probably pull a light rain effect off somehow!

[granite rampart]

yeas

[flat geyser]

it would be cute and atmospheric

[granite rampart]

i couldn't see it being hard but im no dev so yea

[granite rampart]

[limpid flower]

@meager ivy I've been encountering a compatibility issue. Simply put, the Poltergeist mod doesn't work properly if you have the Chameleon mod enabled and are on a moon that's been affected by the RebalancedMoonsBeta mod. It prevents Poltergeist's "ghost light" from illuminating the interior.

[meager ivy]

need a log to be able to tell what is going on there

also im not familiar with poltergeist

[limpid flower]

@meager ivy I don't know what is causing the issue.

[meager ivy]

and this specifically only happens on rebalanced moons while also using chameleon?

[limpid flower]

Apparently.

[limpid flower]

Lemme enable the logs for each mods' dependencies and see if that's what's conflicting.

[meager ivy]

it would help if you can confirm that it doesn't happen with just one or the other

as well

[flat geyser]

im pretty sure the poltergeist light just doesn't work right on custom moons

@limpid flower

but it should still always work in the interior?

[limpid flower]

So, the "ghost light" issue isn't consistent with custom moons, as I went to Attenuation (a custom moon) and the ghost light worked fine. Rebalanced Adamance had this issue, though.

[flat geyser]

Oh really

hm

[limpid flower]

This is with Chameleon disabled. I changed no configs; I created a new profile and downloaded all the mods I wanted to troubleshoot

01942572-300c-4982-6392-7fe5d6b443be

With Chameleon enabled.

With RebalancedMoonsBeta disabled (Chameleon enabled)

[acoustic bolt]

I had no issues pairing the 2 together today

[limpid flower]

With poltergeist?

I did some more testing, and with only RebalancedMoonsBeta & Poltergeist installed, I had no issues. So, it seems that something is happening between RebalancedMoonsBeta & Chameleon.

[acoustic bolt]

I use all of these mods

No issues

[limpid flower]

Send me your modcode. I'd like to play a quick game with you.

[acoustic bolt]

I'm running some tests rn regarding the Memory leak issue with MoreCompany

So uhhh not atm

[limpid flower]

Memory Leak? Does it have to do with the cosmetics?

[acoustic bolt]

Nope I think it's not deleting player objects on lobby reloads and it stacks up, after the 10th or 11th lobby load up you get really bad lag

I can test it with Poltergeist so gonna do that

Well thought I could but I am seeing nothing

I am wondering what it is now

Might be something with cosmetics though, or something with the main menu stuff

Cus using NoMoreCompanyLogo reduces it, but it doesn't completely go away

and 10th or 11th load lags either way

just as bad

[rapid thicket]

nevermind I realized my mistake

[quaint mason]

Question

I forgot to ask this days ago, but

among these fixes, will you be restoring the kidnapper fox's ship behavior?

[meager ivy]

what is there to restore

it's already there

[quaint mason]

Huh?

They seem to be unable to get in the ship at all

and they don't camp in there like they used to

[flat geyser]

they absolutely can go in the ship

i had one grab me off the terminal yesterday

[flat geyser]

this is not intended behavior iirc

[meager ivy]

their v55 behavior is completely non-functional and not worth restoring

and they can still enter the ship as of v56 as dopadream says

[quaint mason]

Oh

I liked it when they camped the ship a bit, but I didn't know that it was unintended

Rip

[flat geyser]

i mean im pretty sure it was a bug because the fox would just sit in the ship and not leave

[meager ivy]

yes

[quaint mason]

Oh

[meager ivy]

the fox was completely broken in v55

it would usually just get stuck in place in a random spot

sometimes inside the ship

sometimes it would freeze up after that and stop doing anything

like i said, completley non-functional

[flat geyser]

camping ship is masked's signature strategy

[quaint mason]

It'd still be pretty sweet though if there was a feature that replicated it, without y'know, the fox getting softlocked in the ship

[flat geyser]

so it would be weird if the fox could do it too anyways

[quaint mason]

They do it lore-wise according to the bestiary

So that's why I assumed it wasn't a bug at first

[meager ivy]

doesnt really make sense to me

its modus operandi is kidnapping more than camping

it will absolutely steal someone out of the ship but it hides in the weeds, not in enemy territory

[quaint mason]

Yeah, this was the part

It felt pretty unique since taking advantage of your ship, but ofc shouldn't actually go in it if there's already somebody in there

[flat geyser]

its not unique though theres already an enemy in the game that does this

[quaint mason]

Masked are the only other entities that do it, and I feel like it could be utilizied more in a different way

[wild fox]

I can imagine the ship thing was intentional

[quaint mason]

Yeah, but the softlock part of course not

[wild fox]

More like ambushing than camping, akin to what the Masked try to do

and I can imagine it was removed because it was buggy and also not added back because of community feedback and something like not wanting to do it

[sacred sorrel]

Not sure how our boat is a large spacecraft anyhow, I imagine it's that they have a habit of living in ventilation systems or something, or just sneak in and get lost

[quaint mason]

Considering how adaptive animals are in the Thistle Nebula, I wouldn't be surprised if it's knowledge passed down among most kidnapper fox generations

[trim plaza]

Yesfox fix would go insanely hard

I had to remove it from my pack bc it just kept spawning inside rocks and couldn't do anything

[flat wraith]

last time I used yesfox (granted this was months ago) like 18 foxes spawned in and almost crashed my game lol

[quaint mason]

WHAT

Bro pulled up to the wrong moon...

[flat wraith]

it was march ...

[quaint mason]

😭

Idfk how 18 foxes is even possible

They have a spawn cap of one

[rapid thicket]

evil march

with evil vein shrouds

[trim plaza]

Another issue I've observed using imperium, not sure if it's a yesfox quirk or what, but I've had literally 700+ vein shroud objects just accumulating

Actually no this was after removing yesfox

Yeah I would try teleporting to them and they were all underground/on the dungeon roof, eating away frames. At least I assume that's whats been causing lag and stutters

[quaint mason]

That's not a YesFox thing

[wild fox]

Those are lights above doors

[trim plaza]

Mold spores?

[quaint mason]

That's just Zeek pulling a dumbass and somehow tying the codenames of vain shrouds to lights inside the factory and on the moon

[wild fox]

Yes

[quaint mason]

Vain shrouds aren't networked anymore, so they don't show up like that in vanilla Imperium

[trim plaza]

That explains how lights in tiles work ig 💀

Maybe my dungeons are way too big then

Should prob check on that

[quaint mason]

No it isn't

Lights don't spawn like vain shrouds

• there are more of them than you think, which doesn't accurately prove the int size of a moon

Moldspore also accounts for lights on the exterior (If I recall correctly)

[trim plaza]

What the heck

So this is why I hear about Zeekerrs shade 😭

[quaint mason]

It's unfortunate, really

[trim plaza]

I'm sure the game isn't built that poorly, I don't expect perfection out of anyone or even to be impressed

That is kinda silly though

[quaint mason]

It isn't built that poorly, but it sure could use a lot of rewrites

[trim plaza]

Yeah, probably

[versed hull]

You don’t need to shade here to convey that explaination

Unnecessary bad vibes

[split cargo]

I'm pretty sure that layer is actually being used for something now since the cruiser also has some things on it

not sure what for though

[meager ivy]

the layer isn't used

it was exclusively used for weeds before zeekerss removed the weed functionality

im pretty sure the cruiser colliders being tagged with moldspore was a mistake to begin with

the reason it's assigned to the lamps is probably because they were at some point on a special layer

that zeekerss decided he didnt need

and then he later reused the layer for mold spores

alternatively if they are a reused model from, say, dead seater, he might have cloned their gameobject from that project and accidentally brought over their layer value from that other game

anyways the only functionality tied to the moldspore layer is weed killer

but weed killer checks for tag and layer now

so you wouldnt be able to like

shrink lamps or anything

[split cargo]

huh, I guess it could make sense if the cruiser is some leftover asset, I had assumed it was new enough to have things intentionally on that layer

[rapid thicket]

I think one of the mansion interior variants should look more dilapidated

[meager ivy]

wdym

like

just more scuff on the wallls and such

[rapid thicket]

torn wall paper and maybe that water stain thing from the factory

maybe the cabin doors are used?

[limpid flower]

Just checking in: have you guys made any progress on the poltergeist issue?

[meager ivy]

i haven't touched chameleon at all since the previous update

been taking a break and working on other stuff

[quaint mason]

T̶͛̚H̶̿̅E̸̐̂ ̴̇́V̷̕͝O̶͆͑Ȉ̵D

[meager ivy]

wetf

[late umbra]

issue with shipwindows + celestial tint
any config fixes or easy ways to disable the extra lighting?

it messes with everything in the ship and i only have this issue when playing the most recent version of this mod. i've kept it on v1.2.2 for a long time to avoid it but i really want to test out the new things that have been added bc i love this mod

[meager ivy]

you are not the first to ask this question, and i think it became harder to find in v1.4 when i reformatted the readme, but this warning is in the description to help with this issue

maybe i need to put in a "compatibility" section at the top to make these warnings more clear

[late umbra]

i would've found it if discord made it so we could search individual threads

not really your fault

but thank you, thats all i needed to know

why exactly does this happen? what changes about the exterior of the ship to where its not compatible with celestial tint? just a large lighting object?

[meager ivy]

in vanilla there is a giant sunlight object

it got disabled in v40 (i am not sure why, just sure that it happened)

and celestialtint was developed after that change was made so it doesn't have any sort of special handling for *it being re-enabled

im not exactly sure what is going on that causes the lighting to look super over-exposed

but it's possible celestialtint changes some settings with the shadows, or lighting layermasks, or something, that is affecting the original light source too

[late umbra]

its just that its peering in through the window

[meager ivy]

in any case, you dont need planetpreview if you use celestialtint, because it adds its own "planet preview" of sorts

[late umbra]

see the screenshot that i posted

[meager ivy]

in a different style

[late umbra]

but yeah i fixed it, the cfg worked

[limpid flower]

fine with me. Just ping me once you've taken care of the issue.

[bleak fog]

Interesting question for you all, do you think Vein Shrouds should be colored white on snowy moons? I was going to suggest it for this mod since we already have snowy giants and snowy rocks, but then I thought about how them spontaneously appearing every day means they may not have time to get snowy before players arrive. Them looking out of place also matches their description of being invasive and possibly the result of a laced dropship (according to Sigurd). What do you all think?

[meager ivy]

personally i do not like recolored vain shrouds

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/dopadream/SnowyWeeds/

but dopadream uploaded a mod for this if you want it

[flat geyser]

:(

i think they neat

even neater when you're using the snowy fox skin

[meager ivy]

well it's not that i dont like the effort

i just like red shrouds

[flat geyser]

i knoww :P

perhaps i should add config and make a variant that is more

red but with snow speckles

i had a thing close to this at one point

[limpid flower]

Personally, vain shrouds shouldn’t appear on snowy moons.

[trim plaza]

I can see it in a game like lethal

I would use yesfox, but it brocken 💔

[bleak fog]

How is Yesfox broken? It seems fine to me

Vains are rng so they are kinda inconsistent

[flat geyser]

its not broken :P

works fine

i use it

[flat geyser]

meh. on rend and dine its really a non issue

on titan is where it really gets problematic

because theres no space for it to generate in a reasonable area

so it just generates either next to ship or on the stairs

[trim plaza]

Not sure if it's because of how I was spawning it in LQ, but I have outside enemies configuration turned on for every moon. I included the fox in this list for some moons, but I was getting this repeat issue where it would get stuck inside terrain on assurance. Maybe it's just that moon though... if it's working fine for everyone else I can try again

[flat geyser]

you're not supposed to spawn the fox this way lol

its supposed to spawn naturally based on vain shrouds

[quaint mason]

Bro is tryna send the kidnapper fox homeless 😭

[trim plaza]

No I get that, the vain shrouds were spawning, but because of how LQ works if I didn't have the fox included in the list it shouldn't be able to spawn

I may be wrong

But that was my thought process

[flat geyser]

dont include the fox in the spawn list

it will spawn on its own if you have it configured correctly in yesfox

[trim plaza]

I see, I will try this

[trim plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/grab-steal-cat-kitty-kitten-gif-24065811

[flat geyser]

you can try cranking everything to 100% to test

but you have to land on a planet twice

[quaint mason]

Why's this?

I've always noticed that vain shrouds manifest one day, and are in another location the next

[flat geyser]

if you make a new save file and load a moon the vain shrouds wont instantly spawn

u have to take off and land again iirc

[quaint mason]

That's strange

[meager ivy]

to be more clear

set minimum weeds to 0 or 1 (if you only want it to spawn after the weeds appear)

set weed chance to 100% for the current moon (and 100% to other moons if you want)

and set spawn chance to 100%

with that setup, after landing on a planet, landing on it again (or landing on any moon if you 100%ed "other moons") should always spawn the fox immediately

and if that works you can tweak the numbers to be whatever you want

[flat geyser]

thank you

[quaint mason]

Suggestion: Fancy kidnapper foxes?

So they don't stick out as much amongst vain shrouds? No other entity seems to have this issue

[meager ivy]

this is not an easy fix

it's because the kidnapper fox uses a unique shader

for its floofy fur

[quaint mason]

Figured

[meager ivy]

nobody has the source (presumably a shadergraph) for the kidnapper fox's fur and shader decompilation isn't all that at this point in time

even for yesfox, 1a3 couldn't include the original kidnapper fox materials

he shipped it without materials and they get pulled from the vanilla prefab at runtime

[quaint mason]

Why, Zeekerss? 💔

[near badge]

same thing happens with hoarding bugs, doesn't it?

[quaint mason]

They're canonically translucent per the bestiary, reflected in their model, so that's a different case

You can see their stomach model from within with the right lighting

[meager ivy]

yeah, and it's because translucency is rendered differently

hoarding bugs dont use a special shader though

they just use the generic hdrp lit shader with translucency enabled

or transparency

i forget

[coral stag]

hoarding bugs look creepy as heck in low lighting

[bleak fog]

I did an interesting little thing for my modpack, I did ArtificeBlizzard with FixArtificeVolume turned on, it made for a fun and different moon. It was a sort of whiteout blizzard, quite different from Rend

I want Artifice to not totally be just another snow moon, so this is pretty cool imo

[coral stag]

I’m not seeing rain on March. Could it be because Rebalanced Moons uses a different March?

[rapid thicket]

I've seen rain on march though I know before there was a bug with the rain being tied to the stormy gordian thing and thus making it so it was only rainy after the first quota

that might've been fixed

[meager ivy]

i have no idea what you are referring to

[meager ivy]

shouldnt be but i dunno

march only has a chance to be rainy

there's like, a 20% chance it's dry

increased when it's foggy

i dont remember the exact numbers

[coral stag]

I thought Chameleon made March constantly rainy. This is for the visuals, not the actual weather condition.

[rapid thicket]

maybe I was wrong or it was patched out by accident
but I thought that somehow the randomizer thing that made it randomly rainy on march and gordian was somehow connected making it so since its always dry on the first quota at gordian it was always dry on march
but maybe I just got lucky (or unlucky) and had it get the 20% chance like 4 times in a row on multiple first quotas

[rapid thicket]

yeah its rain but not weather (not cloudy or having mud)

theres a rare chance that the rain prefab thing is gone

[coral stag]

Okay it worked once, I guess it’s not guaranteed visual rain then

[meager ivy]

yes

[meager ivy]

it's a chance

[flat geyser]

no

[granite rampart]

i hope at some point the rain is changed to constant tho

[trim plaza]

Speaking of, I wonder if it's possible to make the rain effect lighter somehow. Maybe by lowering opacity of the material or something... I may or may not find use in something like that

[flat geyser]

planned

[bleak fog]

I would like this too so the cosmetic rain is visually different from the weather, it could confuse players

March cannot be rainy ironically

[granite rampart]

Late asf to this but yea i had this exact convo with another guy here about how a drizzle effect work work best

Since it canonically always specifically drizzles on the moon

And not rain

[meager ivy]

they mean the same thing

zeekerss just disabled the "override weather" setting for march probably because it prevents other special weathers from occurring (like eclipses and stormy)

march is the only level which doesn't have override weather type set to dust clouds (except assurance, which is foggy, and experimentation, which is none)

so i feel like it's pretty likely this is what the description meant

[neon owl]

drizzle specifically means a light rain

[meager ivy]

yeah, but in the context of the game, i mean

[neon owl]

i know, but i think it would be nice to make the rain a little lighter to differentiate it from the actual rainy weather

[rapid thicket]

I think its different enough with it not being cloudy

but if it were to be changed I think it might be fun to add a chance for a rainbow?

[bleak fog]

Rainbow would go hard tbh

[rapid thicket]

this stuff

[copper rampart]

hm for the mineshaft entrance door, maybe you could use the yellow doors down in the main parts of mineshaft?

[copper rampart]

that's also on the company

[flat geyser]

hmm

i mean

we would have to change the door on the inside of the entrance tile as well

but like

im not totally against the idea

@meager ivy thoughts

[copper rampart]

you'd have to do that anyways for any mineshaft entrance door anyways which have been suggested quite a bit

[flat geyser]

ye thats what i mean

but i dont think thats something thats been taken into consideration

which is why i mention if we do it at all it would have to also do that

[meager ivy]

someone was, a long time ago, making a unique mineshaft entrance door and i offered to implement it if they were interested in it being a part of this project

i am still open to doing so

[flat geyser]

oh really

[meager ivy]

but i havent heard from them in quite a little while at this point

[flat geyser]

where can i see that

[meager ivy]

from:riveren

they haven't posted in several months now

maybe they just fell out of interest with the game

not too sure

in any case i think using the yellow doors could also work

maybe

it does make me think zeekerss probably decided not to as an artistic choice

and in my head it seems like it'd be a bit weird

but i havent tried it yet

[flat geyser]

hmmmm

i would do something a little different maybe

like ideally it wouldn't be see-through at all in my head

something like this kinda

[sacred sorrel]

That is menacing

[copper rampart]

idea, making the randomly spawning rocks on embrion use the crystal texture

[meager ivy]

that is a good point

i didnt realize they could spawn there

because i pretty much never visit embrion

lol

[rapid thicket]

I kinda like the random rocks on embrion being gray it adds a little variety to the color scheme

[bleak fog]

While Embrion is super cool lore wise I wish it was more gameplay relevant

Lot of effort for what is basically the troll moon

Zeekerss even gave it some small buffs here and there, he is paying some attention to it

[meager ivy]

randomly spawning rocks use the desert orange

[bleak fog]

It probably would be a toggle so that is fine

[meager ivy]

which looks super out of place

the pre-placed rocks alternate between the gray rocks and crystal textures

and that's what i will implement as well

im in the middle of refactoring chameleon right now and it's not in a state to be worked on right now

but this will be easy to implement so i will do that next

[rapid thicket]

what?

I only saw the non desert orabe

orange

[bleak fog]

The random rocks are pretty rare, plus they spawn out of the way

At least in my experience

The really big rocks and small bumps are part of the actual map

[rapid thicket]

oh

[limpid flower]

@meager ivy I think the poltergeist issue resolved itself. I’ve yet to test it with multiple players, but the lighting issue may have been due to the wrong fog being used on rebalanced levels.

[meager ivy]

i see

[flat geyser]

idk if this was it btw @meager ivy all i did was change the fog attenuation distance and base height

i imagine something changed on their end

i have no idea

[late umbra]

my cave type weights dont seem to be working correctly
i set all of them to be 999 for a particular moon and its still giving me the vanilla caves on stuff like dine and rend.
like, all of the icy moons in my pack, i've specifically set them to match the cave type and its still not guaranteed? is there an external default weight thats being chosen somehow?
ex. for icy moons - Rend:999,Dine:999,Titan:499,Auralis:999,Siabudabu:999
I just applied those settings and relaunched the game, yet my dine cave was vanilla type

[flat geyser]

isnt the max 300

for weighted random stuff

[versed hull]

naur

just in the inspector

you can set inspector to debug to bypass it

[late umbra]

is it like that for item and enemy weights too in other mods?

[coral stag]

I kept getting vanilla on Artifice when it should’ve been mesa.

[meager ivy]

i am getting to this late

[meager ivy]

max weight is 99999

for chameleon

which is basically an arbitrary number far outside of the realm of what most users will be setting anyway

but you wont hit integer limit if you install a bunch of modded interiors and set them all to max, for some reason

if you set a higher weight, it just gets reduced to 99999, not ignored

[meager ivy]

can you send me your log? i'd like to see what is going on there

[meager ivy]

actually i suppose i should've pinged you @late umbra

[late umbra]

says no custom weights were defined

also i adjusted my weights to 9999 just for testing since you said that is the max

[meager ivy]

that's weird

i will have a look at this

im in the middle of refactoring chameleon and currently busy testing everything to see if it still works

once that is done i will look at all the mineshaft stuff i wrote and see if i can figure out why that is happening

oh wait

@late umbra it looks like you might have something preventing my code from running at all

most likely this?

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
ItemDeclutter.ShipLoadItems.LoadShipItemsPatch () (at <02fc827e25d04aa098b7aba027ae1a0b>:IL_0036)
(wrapper dynamic-method) StartOfRound.DMD<StartOfRound::LoadShipGrabbableItems>(StartOfRound)
(wrapper dynamic-method) StartOfRound.DMD<StartOfRound::Start>(StartOfRound)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<StartOfRound::Start>?20853062(StartOfRound)
LethalLib.Modules.Items.StartOfRound_Start (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) (at <64fae9f52f324ab2a8065723b0759a64>:IL_0178)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<StartOfRound::Start>?-397089748(StartOfRound)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<StartOfRound::Start>?-15013276(StartOfRound)
LethalLib.Modules.Utilities.StartOfRound_Start (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) (at <64fae9f52f324ab2a8065723b0759a64>:IL_019C)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<StartOfRound::Start>?-1427919412(StartOfRound)

this part of your log indicates the config is being read okay

[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "vow" to "Vanilla" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "verdance" to "Vanilla" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "march" to "Vanilla" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "adamance" to "Vanilla" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "assurance" to "Mesa" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "offense" to "Mesa" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "kast" to "Mesa" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "experimentation" to "Desert" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "orion" to "Desert" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "ganimedes" to "Desert" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "rend" to "Ice" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "dine" to "Ice" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "titan" to "Ice" caves list with weight 4999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "summit" to "Ice" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "auralis" to "Ice" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "siabudabu" to "Ice" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "aerona" to "Ice" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "embrion" to "Amethyst" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "solace" to "Gravel" caves list with weight 9999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "titan" to "Gravel" caves list with weight 4999
[Debug  : Chameleon] Successfully added "transmission" to "Gravel" caves list with weight 9999

but that doesn't actually set up the list the game uses

i have some other code that runs when you load a save file to map the config strings ("vow") to the level names ("VowLevel")

normally it would print something like this

[Info   : Chameleon] List of all indexed moons (Use this to set up your config!):
[Info   : Chameleon] "ExperimentationLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "AssuranceLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "VowLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "MarchLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "AdamanceLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "RendLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "DineLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "OffenseLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "TitanLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "ArtificeLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "LiquidationLevel"
[Info   : Chameleon] "EmbrionLevel"
[Debug  : Chameleon] Now assembling final weighted lists
[Debug  : Chameleon] ExperimentationLevel - Mesa @ 100
[Debug  : Chameleon] AssuranceLevel - Desert @ 100
[Debug  : Chameleon] VowLevel - Vanilla @ 100
[Debug  : Chameleon] MarchLevel - Vanilla @ 100
[Debug  : Chameleon] AdamanceLevel - Vanilla @ 100
[Debug  : Chameleon] RendLevel - Ice @ 100
[Debug  : Chameleon] DineLevel - Ice @ 100
[Debug  : Chameleon] OffenseLevel - Desert @ 100
[Debug  : Chameleon] TitanLevel - Mesa @ 100
[Debug  : Chameleon] ArtificeLevel - Gravel @ 100
[Debug  : Chameleon] EmbrionLevel - Amethyst @ 100

[meager ivy]

the fact that this isn't in your log means something is preventing my StartOfRound.Start postfix from running

it's actually kind of a miracle your game isn't completely crashing

[meager ivy]

but anyways, it seems like ItemDeclutter is crashing on your profile

[late umbra]

i dont have that mod

0194576c-f32d-e5cd-0da6-777e7a2e75a5

should be 152 mods total

i currently have xl_scrap and xl_scrap_api disabled since they need more development to be polished

sorry if this is too much for you to sift through. i just wish i had enough coding knowledge to debug this stuff on my own

[meager ivy]

lol

well

that is weird

you apparently have some other mod using ItemDeclutter.ShipLoadItems.LoadShipItemsPatch as an identifier then

[late umbra]

FixedItemRotation or SmartItemSaving maybe?

[meager ivy]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/asta/FixedItemRotation/source/

appears so, yes

namespace ItemDeclutter
{
    [HarmonyPatch(typeof(StartOfRound))]
    internal class ShipLoadItems
    {
        [HarmonyPatch("LoadShipGrabbableItems")]
        [HarmonyPostfix]
        internal static void LoadShipItemsPatch()
        {
            GameObject val = GameObject.Find("/Environment/HangarShip");
            GrabbableObject[] componentsInChildren = val.GetComponentsInChildren<GrabbableObject>();
            GrabbableObject[] array = componentsInChildren;
            foreach (GrabbableObject val2 in array)
            {
                Plugin.logger.LogDebug((object)("Found " + ((Object)val2).name));
                StackTooltip.UpdateAllTooltips(((Object)val2).name);
            }
        }
    }
}

this function is crashing StartOfRound.Start

in some way

[meager ivy]

try disabling it and see if it prints this stuff in your log

when you relaunch and host

[late umbra]

yup

and i tested dine and artifice, both had the correct cave types

much appreciated 👍

[meager ivy]

coolio

[final wagon]

any news about the skybox and weather weird interaction?

[meager ivy]

i am certain it's a vanilla bug

and i am like... 99% sure about the cause

i am less certain about a fix for it

and i havent looked into it in much detail since our last conversation

but at this point i think the chameleon rewrite is done and stable enough for me to start working on features again

[final wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[split cargo]

the amount of GetComponentsInChildren here

and this tooltip thing doesn't even take care of the case when a non player drops an item in the ship

[coral stag]

guess i’m disabling fixitemrotation

[meager ivy]

ok idk what the deal is but i can not get these to spawn at all

even when i replace the curve with an arbitrarily inflated one

rocks just don't appear

idk what is happening

it's like, only embrion, too

[late umbra]

theres another mod that does something similar, it hasn't caused me any issues

[sacred sorrel]

It's the same author, and saveitemrotations is a subset of smartitemsaving anyways

[acoustic bolt]

fixitemrotations is not by the same person

[sacred sorrel]

I failed to read the first word of the name lmao

[prime cloud]

oh no

[meager ivy]

you are probably fine

it is apparently a different mod using the "ItemDeclutter" namespace

lol

[prime cloud]

the mod is broken tho

[prime cloud]

LMAO WHAT THE FUCK

[meager ivy]

it was this one

it has a bunch of template stuff left so shrug

[prime cloud]

oh I see that

why would you do that lol

I'll save that and figure out if some of my stuff is broken as well

[flat geyser]

rock discourse

its a BIG deal

[meager ivy]

(it's a big deal)

https://tenor.com/view/igmega-opmega-megacoins-coinswala-coinwala-gif-15076837619044431007

[bleak fog]

I feel like the rock would look better in-game, yes it is not eye-grabbing like the orange rock but I think it could look fine

[flat geyser]

well

we were comparing these two

i prefer the left but buttery hates it 😢

it looks a lot more natural imo

[copper rampart]

left looks better

[bleak fog]

Buttery is wrong so…

[meager ivy]

i am going to cry yall

[trim plaza]

I cant tell if on the terrain it's supposed to be rock or dirt

Based on filename rock ig

So it would make sense, but the right is also a nice distinction

I just can't fully freak with the gray, doesn't quite look right

[copper rampart]

rock cliff is the same texture the terrain uses

[trim plaza]

Yeah

So they're basically the same thing, so left would make sense

Maybe if it was a lighter or darker tone I guess that could work

So you could at least tell terrain from rock gen at a glance

[flat wraith]

left is peak

it has consistent coloration w the terrain

[rapid thicket]

yeah

both are good though\

[meager ivy]

i cant believe i am the only person in the world that likes the gray rocks

this is a contender for one of the saddest days in my life

btw update today

any minute now

[flat geyser]

Isnt it better that you cant differentiate it tho

So it looks less like a random prop that magically spawned in and more like part of the environment

sorry i missed this earlier

[flat wraith]

after thinking about it actually I think the grey rock would work better to break up the colors on moons

like, when put against the grass, gray looks better

[flat geyser]

it looks better ingame

from what ive seen

[flat wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/트릭컬-버터-트릭컬-버터-트릭컬-코미-gif-8137885217313211223

interesting ...

[hushed osprey]

both look good to me tbh

[quaint mason]

I personally like the brown more

But it makes sense for the boulder to be gray since the rocks on say like, Adamance are gray

Even though I don’t think they even spawn there

[meager ivy]

they dont anymore

it caused a ton of softlocks in v50 beta

the valley would sometimes be completely blocked by a boulder

in addition to one or both bridges

i did like the gray because it matched what rocks were already present there, though, yeah

and vow and march have the same terrain style as adamance

[trim plaza]

Fair point

Prolly isnt necessary to make it obvious

[quaint mason]

Quicksand:

[flat wraith]

can you even get rainy on ada?

[copper rampart]

yes

[meager ivy]

i think all moons except rend and titan can be rainy IIRC

oh and march

duh

embrion too (i shouldn't have forgotten that) and apparently vow as well

[wild fox]

March is rainy in spirit

[flat geyser]

what?

why can dine rain

[meager ivy]

it was added in v50

as for why, im not sure

the same update made it so offense and assurance could be foggy

which is super cool

[flat geyser]

that is cool (foggy is boring though)

[meager ivy]

my guess is that he wanted to reduce the rate of eclipses on dine

which are especially terrible

that and floods

which are pretty much a non-issue after v50

but still probably more of an issue than rain

[quaint mason]

Yes, and it's dogshit

99% of paths to main are blocked by quicksand

Usually gotta take the bridges

and good luck trying to find a way back, because the quicksand's color meshes really well into Adamance's terrain

Doesn't help rainy makes the map slightly darker, too

[bleak fog]

Adamance is like the only moon where Rainy matters. I guess there also is Experimentation if you are hasty and jump off the wall right into the middle of quicksand

[bleak fog]

I think having both entrances underwater is a pretty big issue, especially since iirc Dine has a crazy spawn curve, so the flood stalling the start of the day is really bad

[flat wraith]

rainy offense can be a bitch tbh

[quaint mason]

Rainy Offense and Assurance are ass

So is rainy Dine and ||Artifice||

[meager ivy]

the main entrance is reachable even though it's underwater

[flat wraith]

i mean you can just go to fire or main and hop in instantly, the bit that's submerged when you arrive isn't nearly a big enough area to prevent you from reaching either main or fire imo

[flat wraith]

i said it first

🧱

[meager ivy]

it's just kind of annoying and dumb that it starts out underwater

in the first place

lol

you can also take the fire exit but you need a jetpack

i dont think you can even safely reach it with an extension ladder from anywhere

[bleak fog]

You can reach either entrance but it stalls you a decent amount. On Dine every moment counts, possibly more than any other moon except Embrion

[flat geyser]

one time on rainy adamance i had a mud pool right where main was

it was annoying asf lol

and it made me wonder why there wasnt a spawn blocker there

(or why mud ignores spawn blockers)

[meager ivy]

i have launched v2

for the most part it is just an internal rework of everything

please let me know if there are any issues with your config or if something isn't working right, it's possible i missed something

but altogether it should function almost the same as before

as for the new features:

[quaint mason]

y

[meager ivy]

v2.0.0

• Expanded SnowyGiants (now GiantSkins)
  • Now includes a charred skin for giants burning to death
• RainyMarch is now always rainy when mild and no longer affects other weathers
• Expanded RecolorRandomRocks
  • Forest moons now have gray boulders instead of sandstone
  • Embrion now supports amethyst boulders (they can't spawn in vanilla, however)
• PlanetPreview now has new Artifice and Embrion appearances
• More screenshots

[meager ivy]

i got questions from 3 or 4 different people about this and it was causing confusion more than anything

this behavior is likely much closer to what zeekerss intended anyway

[quaint mason]

Kinda of a downgrade a bit imo since there's now less variety

Feels more static and less dynamic if you get what I mean

[wild fox]

how is it less dynamic

just me or did all the Cavern type images on the readme blow up

[quaint mason]

Feels less realistic when it’s not randomized

It also feels weird for it not to appear in rainy not eclipsed, when it was initially really pleasing to look at

[wild fox]

it was random?

[quaint mason]

Should’ve been

[wild fox]

guess so

[rapid thicket]

I had that as well

[strange umbra]

big fan of this mod and butterys other mods aswell

[wild fox]

im just stupid I fear

[flat geyser]

Moon description says constant rain + march's level originally had the "rainy" weather override

which means it was originally intended to always be rainy

this mod already adds some legacy features and expands on them as well (planet previews)

[quaint mason]

The previous iteration was still better Imo

[hushed osprey]

i think always rainy but with a lighter rain effect would be nice

[flat geyser]

I was going to look into this, but buttery wasn't fond of the idea

iirc

I brought up that it would be less confusing for players this way and better visualize the lack of random mud pools

(and also just generally be less obstructive)

[flat geyser]

but I think she didnt like the idea that much because of the 2nd thing here

the moon was intended at some point to always just be fully rainy

so like that's fair i suppose

[flat wraith]

OOO

ARTIFICE PLANET APPEARENCE?

may I see...

[flat geyser]

yes and its fucking awesome

[meager ivy]

i am still open to implementing this

i was never against it

[flat geyser]

oh

i misremember

ohhh yeah thats right

[meager ivy]

pretty much the same, just a bit less saturated because the saturation made it glow red on the cameras

[flat geyser]

you said you'd be fine with it just being off by default

ye i agree it could be a nice accessibility toggle

[flat geyser]

oh this is peak

[acoustic bolt]

@meager ivy When are we getting an appearance for the company?

lol

Company is always just the void

[meager ivy]

i thought about it

and even made a material for it

but i decided i like the darkness better

[acoustic bolt]

lol

[meager ivy]

maybe i just need to make a material i like better

idk

[acoustic bolt]

Maybe my group is always like "Why is it just emptiness?" When we route to the company

XD

[meager ivy]

i re-uploaded the mod because imgur apparently decided to delete most of my screenshots for absolutely no reason

so now i am using a different image host

[final wagon]

Why every update you do is so peak

[flat geyser]

it has that buttery seal of quality

i will admit she has a knack for good features

[final wagon]

Because the beast (company) swallowed the golden planet

Beware of the lore

[flat geyser]

ur still landing somewhere though xD

like

its not in a vacuum of nothingness

gordion is a moon

or something

[meager ivy]

i just thought a big blue ball looked weird

[flat geyser]

big grey ball might be better

[meager ivy]

and i like the foreboding and uncertainty of the darkness

[flat geyser]

or really dark

[final wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/vsauce-michael-or-is-it-gif-19808095

[flat geyser]

something u can barely see

[final wagon]

I prefer the darkness

[acoustic bolt]

Why not a grey moon similar to what Celestial Tint does?

[meager ivy]

i can experiment some more with it but i think the stark contrast is more interesting than anything i could think of doing

the biggest struggle for me with gordion is idk what to make the planet

with embrion, i changed the moon itself, and it reuses the gas giant planet from exp/ass/off

and im still not sure i'm totally happy with the way that looks, but for now it suffices

artifice uses the same texture for both planet and moon which i think is ok

[final wagon]

The mod now has giant skins... Is there a chance to have masked skins? 🥲

[flat geyser]

use GI

or mirage

theres countless mods that give masked suits

[meager ivy]

im not against masked skins but IIRC the way I have to do it is annoying

which is why i've never done it

i might be misremembering the challenge of implementing it, though

there's some weird fucky stuff with how masked get networked and how they imitate players they possess

[final wagon]

Not that way, random vanilla suits instead of copying players appereancd

[flat geyser]

oh fr

huh

that would be p cool

[meager ivy]

that's the reason butteryfixes never got randomly spawning tragedies

[final wagon]

You can always make a new mod called MaskFixes that migrates all masked related fixes from butteryfixes to a new mod and adds new cool stuff 😎

[meager ivy]

because i couldnt figure out a good way to make it work where:

1. a randomly spawning mask would immediately switch to tragedy rather than wearing a comedy mask for a "several seconds" delay
2. a player getting converted wouldn't randomly spawn with a tragedy mask and then immediately switch to comedy

i think the reason i never did suit stuff is because butteryfixes assumes a mask will never change suit more than once

[coral stag]

Idk why the masked mods don’t just normally do this lol

[meager ivy]

so if it gets the bee or bunny suit, it gets those costume pieces, and then will have them leftover if they change to any other suit

[final wagon]

Yeah, that seems complicated 😭

[meager ivy]

that is a shortcoming of my implementation that i could probably resolve if i wanted to allow random masks to change their suit

[acoustic bolt]

Cus it wouldn't make sense for them to use your voice but not copy your looks?

[meager ivy]

because randomizing a masked's suit when it spawns will lead to the same dilemma where imitating players will cause it to change appearance twice

on a delay

anyways i got sidetracked

[meager ivy]

idk what to do for gordion

i think having a water planet and a water moon will not look good

and i don't know what i could make gordion orbit

that would be interesting and also "mostly canon compliant"

[bleak fog]

Well we do not know the planet’s appearance tbf

Though it often just matches the moon

[meager ivy]

the forest and snow moons use the same texture for moon/planet

but exp/ass/off have a different moon and planet texture

the moon is a desert oasis and the planet is a gas giant

[final wagon]

I always imagined Gordion as a moon with only water and a endless rock structure containing the monster and always dark as hell

[meager ivy]

in vanilla, gordion uses the same model as this trio

[bleak fog]

You could have the planet/moon be covered in clouds with not all of the water be visible, or the water is very dark. It could be a very dark planet as opposed to a poppy blue

[meager ivy]

but it's hard to tell if that's zeekerss doing so intentionally or if he just never changed it

[coral stag]

it’s cooler though

[meager ivy]

also like i said a bit earlier, embrion currently orbits the same gas giant model, but i wasn't totally happy with that

i just didn't want to get hung up on it and delay this update any longer

[final wagon]

If indoor enemies had a spawn animation like outdoor enemies, would that be easier?

[meager ivy]

in the future i think i'd like for embrion to orbit a different type of planet, but i think amethyst planet + amethyst moon looks strange

in the same way water planet + water moon would look strange

[bleak fog]

I think it is close enough to vanilla personally, it does kinda stick out as a strange exception and a couple of things this mod does are not 1000% based in vanilla

[final wagon]

Tbf

The golden planet log does say about the beast swallowing a whole planet

Not a whole moon

So, gordion probably has no planet

It's like a asteroid moon

[bleak fog]

That is interesting, is Gordion ever stated to be a moon?

And not a planet?

[meager ivy]

In 2356, 5-Embrion was classified as Condemned for the purposes of travel or settlement by the Boat; Old Birds were described by witness accounts as "lining the horizon". Though to this day they appear inoperative, there is a reasonable risk that many are still in sleep mode, so the planet will likely keep its status. The small moon was likely used as a testing ground for the Old Bird's flying and landing capabilities.

i cant tell if

the planet will likely keep its status. The small moon
this is a typo or implying that both are in similarly desolate condition

"embrion is classified as condemned"
"the planet will likely keep its status"

this implies that embrion is the designation for the planet and not the moon

so maybe you are landing on an unnamed moon that isn't embrion, actually

idk

[bleak fog]

Honestly I think it is just an error, it is implied in many places the names are for the moons

[final wagon]

Zeekerss zeekerring 😭

[bleak fog]

Ye, v50 lore had a few mistakes slip through the cracks it seems

[final wagon]

Embrion probably isn't the planet. Exp, Ass and Off orbits Big Grim
Vow, Mar and Ada orbits No Service
Rend, Dine, Titan orbits ???
Embrion, Artifice and Gordion doesn't have a specific planet

[bleak fog]

Yeah, no definitive proof but Embrion being called a plant being an error is the simple answer

[meager ivy]

i think it's likely titan doesn't orbit the same planet as rend or dine

it has significantly longer travel time than either

rend and dine aren't confirmed to orbit the same planet either but the plagiarized description + general aesthetic makes me think it's probably pretty likely

i don't actually remember if it was confirmed that experimentation and assurance orbit the same planet

but assurance and offense are cousins so they are defo confirmed

[bleak fog]

Assurance splintered off Offense iirc

[quaint mason]

Travel or loading time?

[meager ivy]

travel time

titan takes 6 seconds to route to which is the longest of any moon

[bleak fog]

Rend and Dine may have been referred to as sister moons somewhere

[quaint mason]

I've always thought that was because Titan is just a resource hog due to its big-ass facility

[final wagon]

220-Assurance

---

POPULATION: Abandoned.

CONDITIONS: Similar to its twin moon, 41-Experimentation, featuring far more jagged and weathered terrain.

[meager ivy]

rend and dine use identical info pages

zeekerss basically just copy pasted rend and made it a bit harder and that was dine

Lol

after v35 they started to diverge a bit

and then of course in v50 dine completely transformed

[bleak fog]

Ah so Experimentation and Assurance are the twin moons

Got my facts mixed up

[rapid thicket]

the main difference was the traps

[final wagon]

Well... It's snowy, it has a blue star and have similar appearance, they're kinda connected

[bleak fog]

Hard to tell with the copied bio

[meager ivy]

that is true

it is also feasible that titan was originally intended to be elsewhere in the solar system

and some of the facts that would suggest that are just leftovers from that point in time

[final wagon]

Not sure, but always thought that the rich people living in Rend and Dine mined the shit out of Titan

[bleak fog]

Zeekerss copy/pasted a lot of stuff between the moons and it is hard to tell with things that are not explicitly confirmed

[meager ivy]

ive said it a bunch of times before but im like, nearly 100% convinced titan used to be a different class of moon

my personal hypothesis is that it used to reuse experimentation's theme

[bleak fog]

So it was a dusty wasteland moon?

[meager ivy]

experimentation was the only moon with a unique theme before v50 (vow and march, rend and dine, assurance and offense)

titan has leftovers from the "normal" sun animations, although it immediately gets overwritten by the dwarf star variants

[final wagon]

I shall look into Zeekerss patreon to see if he talked about Titan in some post

[meager ivy]

titan uses the non-snowy volume profile

titan uses blue fog like experimentation, assurance, etc. instead of gray fog like the snowy moons

[bleak fog]

v30 has Dine and Titan but they are locked in-game, maybe there is a map in the files

Could be different than v35

[meager ivy]

i dont have v30

but perhaps

[bleak fog]

Ye v30 is rare, basically have to just ask someone who has it themselves

[meager ivy]

i need to download v9 and check

v9 has titan but idk if it has a scene file

[coral stag]

i like the blue fog on snowy moons, feels very The Thing-y

[bleak fog]

Just random thoughts, is there code in place that prevents weekly challenge moons from picking Liquidation and thus being unplayable? This just kinda flew into my head today…

[rapid thicket]

=

[meager ivy]

haha wow 4 months

[rapid thicket]

how time flies

[meager ivy]

i remember some people saying it would be an issue

so it's possible that was the case in one of the v50 betas

but at least in the current version of the game, no, it's not possible

[bleak fog]

I see

[meager ivy]

gordion and liquidation both have a flag set to indicate that they don't use time-of-day like the other moons

and it won't select a challenge moon where time doesn't pass

[bleak fog]

I see

[final wagon]

Didn't found anything about Titan 😔

Anyway, how far-fetched is slimes consuming enemy bodies when passing through them into this mod or ButteryFixes 🤔

It would be a interesting interaction

[meager ivy]

probably not but maybe

i will see

[flat geyser]

fym i will see

how would you even do that lol

that sounds difficult

[quaint mason]

Natural Selections allows hygroderes to do this

[final wagon]

I thought natural selection only allowed hydrogere to damage other entities?

[quaint mason]

They can do both now

[coral stag]

how will you sell the bodies if the slimes ated them all?

[quaint mason]

You can't

[coral stag]

: (

[meager ivy]

you can just pick up corpses that get eaten

hygroderes swap the model of the bodies to one that's just an empty suit

but it's a cosmetic difference

[quaint mason]

You looked into Natural Selection's code?

[meager ivy]

no that's a vanilla feature

players that die to the hygrodere have a unique corpse model

[flat geyser]

they were talking about enemies

[quaint mason]

Yea

[meager ivy]

oh

[flat geyser]

thats why i said, i dont think that would be an easy thing to like

do

[meager ivy]

i totally misread the question

in that case

no

sorry

lol

[flat geyser]

i was really confused why you'd say "i will see" lol

[meager ivy]

i would be interested in making slimes consume players that die to other causes

like if you die to mauling, a slime passes through your corpse, and it absorbs you and leaves a suit behind

that would be cool

[flat geyser]

yethat would be cool

[meager ivy]

and could probably be done clientside easily

[quaint mason]

That seems more like a thing for the dev of Natural Selection to do, shrug

[meager ivy]

enemies interacting with other enemies is definitely not in the realm of any of my clientside mods

though

[quaint mason]

They have the framework for it already anyway

[meager ivy]

butteryfixes already changes a bunch about bodies cosmetically though

this is definitely in scope

i replaced explosion deaths with the burnt corpse + smoke particles

since zeekerss added those in v50 and then made the cruiser explosion use them in v55

but now it creates a noticeable discrepancy everywhere else

i fixed badges on corpses

fixed bee/bunny suit not having "attachments" on corpses

etc.

making hygros eat bodies fits in with all of that stuff if you ask me

[neon owl]

i dislike this. makes it way too easy to tell who's fake and who isn't

[tired valley]

chameleon doors dont seem to be working

this is assurance

so might be an issue with map improvements?

since I have that on rn

as well as rebalanced moons

NEVERMIND

IGNORE ME

IT WAS BECAUSE THE DUNEGEON WAS ACTUALLY

GENERIC MOONS TRICK BACKROOMS INTERIOR LMAO

honestly might be worth looking into compatibility with that but im pretty sure the noclip room is like 50/50 to be manor or facility

so idk how easy it would be to detect that

also are there supposed to be

these kind of rocks on embrion?

[flat geyser]

ill look into it i guess

[flat geyser]

yes

[final wagon]

🤷‍♂️

[final wagon]

I meant for both enemies and player, but if the player change can make it into butteryfixes then I'm happy 🙂

But how you going to handle the body cut in half from the barber interacting with the slime

[final wagon]

Btw, saw this idea about the earthworm holes and thought if it could be done something similar, but instead of making a hole in the ground it leave a mark like the ones meteors, landmines or quicksand make

[flat geyser]

earthworms damaging the terrain similar to meteors after they emerge would be really cool

[trim plaza]

Hell yeah

[meager ivy]

probably just wont

im not sure if there is a headless variant of the slimed body either

i thought it just reused the model from the suits on the rack but since it has the helmet im actually not sure

huh. well how about that

oh it's because it's not headless

he just moved the head inside the torso

[copper rampart]

why would zeekerss do this

[rotund rivet]

LOL WHAT

[meager ivy]

it's actually a pretty common approach to making headless corpses

tf2 does something similar for sniper headshots

etc

[meager ivy]

also i forgot to respond to this but this is a "maybe" for me

tbh i think it'd just look weird

[flat geyser]

it shrinks the heads

lol

its really funny

because its super obvious

[quaint mason]

Um???

Is this intentional

I don't take issue with it, I'm just take aback

[copper rampart]

chameleon is purely clientside, so i think this is a rebalanced moons thing

[quaint mason]

Yeah, turns out it was

lol

[meager ivy]

i think i need to make amethyst more common

i do like the variety but i feel like there is a little too much gray

[warm vine]

as in the caves?

i think theyre fun rare, i have them set to ~1/100 on every moon so it feels like finding a shiny

weird geode vow

its a feature that gives specific days alot of identity which is cool imo

[meager ivy]

the surface rocks

cave weights are completely custom for the reasons you've described

soon enough i hope to make more of those features custom

like the manor windows

[warm vine]

oh i thought the amethyst rocks were guaranteed on embrion tbh (hasnt actually played with them<-)

[meager ivy]

dopadream and i discovered they can't spawn in vanilla

on embrion

but if you play with their mod rebalanced moons

boulders play a much bigger role on embrion

[acoustic bolt]

@meager ivy Chameleon update is throwing a lot of errors, which sometimes seems to be leading to the ship failing to land

Specifically this error

[rapid thicket]

that would be nice

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah this was causing our soft locks trying to land, fancy entrance doors just explodes landing on custom moons however it doesn't cause soft locks until you have a lobby of more than 2 people

[meager ivy]

that doesnt make any sense to me

fancy entrance doors just explodes landing on custom moons
this maybe does, i'll take a look

but i mean this

doesn't cause soft locks until you have a lobby of more than 2 people

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah it was erroring our whole session today but we could land fine with just 2 people, but the second we had 3+ we couldn't do a 2nd land on any moon

it would error on 2nd land

and soft lock it

No idea why

[meager ivy]

i forgot a null check

i see

im pretty sure it had nothing to do with player count

i think it was just causing issues if you land on any vanilla moon and reroute to a different one afterwards

which is why it replicated inconsistently

anyways that is a good catch and i will release a hotfix for it in just a moment

[acoustic bolt]

Oh maybe, although we reprod it after doing a game relaunch and going to Halation twice lol

I was thinking maybe just after you had more than 2 players it was causing the interior to fail to generate for clients, cus it wouldn't pop up the seed or anything

[acoustic bolt]

At least it was fixable by turning off the patch lol, I'm glad that when it comes to your mods generally when something explodes I can just turn off that feature and it's fixed

[meager ivy]

oh sorry i forgot to push that update

🥲

my friends didnt get on lethal today so it mostly slipped my mind

but yes, disabling fancyentrancedoors will stop the crashing for now

i will go ahead and post the update

[acoustic bolt]

Lol you're all good XD

[meager ivy]

next update i hope to make manor windows customizable via weight

and maybe add some additional ones for custom moon themes

i'm not gonna go crazy with those because they are a huge filesize sink

but i was able to shrink the bundle a lot in v2.0 because the textures still look good at 1024x512 (4x smaller than 2048x1024 and TBH they look about the same to me)

[meager ivy]

open to suggestions for this

though

[versed hull]

most custom moons been bundling with 512x512 lock on textures and then raising if noticable iirc. the render crunchung lets you get away with a ton

[meager ivy]

there's already the default which fits forest types well

and then there's one for deserts, snow, and one that fits stuff like hawalia/aquatis pretty well

are there any other major themes you folks would like to have

preferably themes that more than one moon utilize, or if absolutely necessary, a moon that can't fit any of the existing themes

i.e. something like asteroid 13 being a dark moonrock wasteland

[versed hull]

i think when i was messing with stargazer Ocean tag came up a view times

[meager ivy]

although idk why rich people would want to be reminded they live in a hellscape every time they look out the "window"

[meager ivy]

i tend to work in the opposite direction

[quaint mason]

Idk what I'd add because I'm pretty sure this is the reason why the fake windows the way the are

Considering how in the shitter humanity is in Lethal Company at this point

[meager ivy]

i start with full resolution and then i lower it until i start to notice it looks noticeably worse

and then i move it up one click and leave it

[quaint mason]

Maybe for oceans, an ocean with a visible galaxy above it?

[meager ivy]

well like

it's true that the point is that they form an illusion of living in a better environment

but like

there's a difference between a picturesque canyon and a gigantic nothing-happening desert

something like infernis could have a hot springs window

for example

[vivid kindle]

Beach for desert moons, aquarium/coral reef for water moons

Forest moons could have a garden or smth

[copper rampart]

forest moons already have the vanilla window

but maybe an idea for a rare variant that isn't really specific to any moons, a broken screen

[flat wraith]

amythest, jungle, mountains, volcano?

mountains as in snowy ones

[flat wraith]

that'd be sick

[meager ivy]

i have something planned for the volcanoes

if i can find an image that works

beaches are already covered

i like the idea of an aquarium for ocean moons

[meager ivy]

this could be a nice catch all

jungle/swamp would be unique, im just not aware of how many moons are utilizing that theme

but if that's a desirable theme then i think i could cover that

[rapid thicket]

a broken screen would be really nice

also

I think the turned off screen should still have the lines on it

[meager ivy]

for now i scrapped it

because it would be kind of annoying to account for all the separate images

but it is not scrapped forever and i will probably address it "in the future"

possibly in the same update where i add all the variants

[rapid thicket]

ok

[meager ivy]

tbh i was probably way overcomplicating this before

i think it'll actually be easy enough that i could add this back in the next update

i think i should also be able to repurpose my cavern weight code easily enough to implement manor windows

without too much headache

i just need to refactor a few things to make it more generic

[flat wraith]

could take a look at pelagia from altMoons and uuuh that new one from generic moons for swamp

jungle I think is only used on Junic, idk of any other ones that use that theme

[wild fox]

Its been a while but maybe im-brid has that jungle vibe?

[flat wraith]

oh yeah that one has the jungle theme too

[strange umbra]

is march rain still purely visual

i saw behavior change in the changelog

and was confused a bit

i am also stupid

[meager ivy]

the mod is still client side

it's all cosmetic

[strange umbra]

i didnt know that lol thats actually awesome

[meager ivy]

anyways to clarify, it used to just roll a like

75% chance to be rainy

but i got a bunch of bug reports that march wasn't rainy

[strange umbra]

ah

[meager ivy]

so i decided to just simplify it and make it guaranteed rain

to reduce the confusion

[strange umbra]

big fan of this mod

i like tweaks like this

[strange umbra]

idk if something for amethyst moons is possible at all

beautiful crystal fields....

[flat geyser]

embrion already has a unique one

[strange umbra]

does it actually? ive not seen it

mansions arent too common on embrion

[flat geyser]

its supposed to match zeekerss description for what the moon was before it became an amethyst hell

but its outdated atm

[strange umbra]

thats sick

[meager ivy]

i think adding a crystal background would be cool

but for me it's hard to picture a pretty crystal background that isn't underground

and idk if people think the windows depicting underground settings would be weird

also yeah, embrion does use a unique background that has nothing to do with amethyst

currently

[strange umbra]

theres like the main vanilla enviroment tags LLL uses (idk if those are based at all on some real vanilla tag)

[meager ivy]

this would be for the weighted lists

[flat geyser]

i just dont think it makes sense personally

[strange umbra]

does wasteland have one?

[flat geyser]

well

[meager ivy]

the LLL tags are not based on any vanilla system