can u add a comment that says :3 somewhere
#Chameleon
flat geyser
serene lark
Is it a marsh map?
flat geyser
no lol
meager ivy
oh my bad
instead, a feature i added like a week ago randomly blew up for the first time on a map i've already tested before
that works
flat geyser
idk im kinda torn
the normal sky does fit the palette more but this looks more eerie to mee
meager ivy
idk im kinda torn
it was immediately offputting but the more i play with it the more i kinda like it in a weird way
still, like i said, not enough to consider it a definitive improvement, or enable it by default
flat geyser
i prolly need to see it ingame tbh
meager ivy
but i will probably use it
in the end
ok i think i see what was wrong
and if im right
it seems like a miracle that nothing bad ever happened before
but w/e
now i can hopefully test the actual thing i just added
lol
meager ivy
there is no such tag in vanilla
versed hull
I am canon
meager ivy
tags are a product of LLL, which does (to a large degree) define a standard, but it is not official confirmation
that being said i basically have no opinion on this
bleak fog
Huh
bleak fog
I did not know this, I thought tags where an internal thing in vanilla, my bad
rapid thicket
for me it felt 10% more gloomy than experimentation
versed hull
I take it as a compliment 😅
bleak fog
I saw the spreadsheet in this server and its usage of the phrase “vanilla tags” made me think it was vanilla
meager ivy
"vanilla" in this case just meaning what gets retroactively applied to the vanilla content where it does not already exist
for custom content, the moon author would be manually defining their own tags
but it is a sensible mistake to make
bleak fog
I also have seen theories speculating on Artifice’s purpose in-universe that use its military content tag as evidence, it seems I am not the only one bamboozled
meager ivy
yeah
versed hull
Yeah LLL strives to treat vanilla content and modded content as equal, so to an extent I kind of have to take up the mantle of being the developer of the lethal company “mod”
meager ivy
god dammit
bleak fog
Yeah LLL strives to treat vanilla content and modded content as equal, so to an ...
It all makes sense and is a good system, I just think you may have made bigger waves in the community than you thought
versed hull
Glad to hear it 😅
flat geyser
god dammit
yknow
i see a lot of modpacks use this mod that just disables this feature entirely
but has anyone considered just reducing the effect??
bleak fog
Is this the interior fog
meager ivy
but has anyone considered just reducing the effect??
yes
rapid thicket
but has anyone considered just reducing the effect??
I would love a mod that makes it less powerful
meager ivy
i have had a misc rebalance mod in private testing and development for forever and that's what i did to the indoor fog
bleak fog
I really do not like how it is most common during infestations. Moon is already crazy with the infestation and then this happens
meager ivy
i just never published it because it's never been in a state where i've considered it needing to be released
and there's some other stuff coming out that has made some of it kind of obsolete anyway
rebalanced moons and a lot of terra's catalog come to mind
bleak fog
I should take a look at rebalanced moons. I have done my own rebalancing for my personal modpack but seeing other’s take on it is cool
copper rampart
rebalanced moons and a lot of terra's catalog come to mind
people's ideas of balance are different though
meager ivy
it's true
but like
my concept for dine was "make the fire exit require an extension ladder again, fix the terrible outdoor curve, and adjust scrap quality"
which can already be done with rebalanced moons and/or tonight we dine
or LLL config
rapid thicket
yeah tonight we dine did pretty much do at least the fire exit thing
meager ivy
for titan i just increased the number of items and added gold bars to the pool (sounds familiar...)
flat geyser
you could probably make something more modular to be fair
i have zero interest in making any sort of config because i make my projects for myself and i dont want to spend more time adding stuff to disable shit i made lol
meager ivy
offense and assurance mostly swapped scrap weights, had coilheads reduced and masked increased
that was actually verbatim used in rebalanced moons, dopadream asked me if she could do that
and im not trying to complain about any of that, to be completely clear
bleak fog
Something I really wish was a thing was per-moon infestation and interior fog chances, afaik mods only change the global odds
meager ivy
there is bound to be tons of overlap, ideas are finite
flat geyser
and there are certain people that only come into my thread to complain about my choices/config
so
meager ivy
but also dopadream's mod is a lot more visionary and made a lot of interesting sweeping changes whereas i was basically just tweaking numbers
and if you're just going to be tweaking numbers, someone interested in rebalancing lethal company would probably rather just use LLL config to make something that's their own vision of balance
in general there's not a lot of motivation for me to work on or release it
and also a bunch of other stuff that's more unique that needs me to invest energy in working on it
like this giant chameleon update that has been delayed for weeks
Lol
copper rampart
consider: it'd take a really long time to swap the scraps of assurance and offense with lll probably
serene lark
I mean idk if it would take that long, the scrap is kept as a string in LLL iirc.
bleak fog
Just copy and paste the strings
copper rampart
10 minutes?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
copper rampart
that's 4 seconds too many
serene lark
You could do what I did and write a plugin that changes all the spawn settings 
flat geyser
yeah just make your own balance mod smh
serene lark
Or wait until I drop this bad boy ||I'm not actually making this||
meager ivy
there is some stuff i could still do
i suppose
nobody's rebalanced the jetpack at all yet
i still need to rebalance/"fix"/??? the mapper tools
copper rampart
Or wait until I drop this bad boy ||I'm not actually making this||
you should actually make this
serene lark
I do think jetpack should atleast be reverted to v49 stats but without the bugs
meager ivy
well, i think it is ready
i always love feeling that pit in my stomach after saying that and putting it on thunderstore
because it seems like somehow there is always something terrible waiting around the corner like "completely softlocking the game on specific custom moons"
but i will be on standby, as usual, at least
acoustic bolt
I do think jetpack should atleast be reverted to v49 stats but without the bugs
The Jetpack is great as it is now though with the JetpackFixes mod
I wouldn't wanna go back to v49 cus I'm used to the current balancing
flat geyser
its boring
meager ivy
especially with how effortless controlling them has become in v50
flat geyser
its hold the button and go to location, like no skill is involved anymore
kinda sucks
but oh well
too late to go back now
meager ivy
v49 jetpacks were buggy pieces of shit but with JetpackFallFix and JetpackWarning they were fine
at this point, i discovered the jetpack "overheat" thing was a bug anyway and now you can use JetpackFixes to fix it instead of needing JetpackWarning
and zeekerss mostly fixed crash damage in v50 where JetpackFallFix is obsolete
still doesn't change the fact that they were made so easy in v50 for seemingly no reason
everyone wanted the jetpacks to be reverted after he nerfed them into the ground and his response was (bafflingly?) buffing them so they were even more gamebreaking than they used to be
but idk man
serene lark
They're not that gamebreaking.
Especially if you're looking to clear out a high tier moon.
meager ivy
it obsoletes pretty much every outdoor enemy and every item that isn't a 2-hander
serene lark
Yeah but you would still have to manage 2-handers is the thing
meager ivy
and even now, we have the cruiser to "solve" those too, just in a much more interesting and risky way
i love the jetpacks because i think they are fun and i dont really care that they break the game because of it
but they definitely have some genuine issues
the nicest thing about the v50 jetpack nerf was that he nerfed takeoff to hell
so you couldn't employ sudden evasive maneuvers like "jumping into the air as you activate the thruster to immediately go 50 feet in the sky where nothing can reach you"
you were stuck next to the ground for 2-3 seconds while the thruster "warmed up"
and that's a pretty big change that would have been welcome still
IMO
serene lark
I think they're fine because they're held back by the fact you can only carry 1-handers with you, which means that for 2-handers you need to make sure you get them back ASAP before something nasty spawns.
Or before you don't have the time to do so.
meager ivy
but he also made general flight so slow where it wasn't fun or exciting anymore and that's what i think most of the jetpack nerf haters were upset about
serene lark
I don't like the cruiser jump stuff for this reason.
meager ivy
idk
im getting off topic, sorry, i need to push this to thunderstore
i will be back
serene lark
People will say the jetpack is too OP yet the cruiser jump tricks aren't because they require setting up, but like they're consistent if you learn them?
bleak fog
Maybe if Zeekerss actually makes Liquidation as the new more profitable and its not cruiser-friendly we could see a more dynamic meta
serene lark
HQ people just wouldn't play it then if it wasn't.
meager ivy
i dont think cruiser jump tricks aren't OP
serene lark
They are, they literally skip the entire exterior way more than jetpack does.
bleak fog
They 100% OP but they also are fun and push the boundaries of HQ
meager ivy
delivering an entire moon's worth of items in 10 seconds is absolutely OP
but it at least requires some degree of practice, knowing setups, and there's a much higher risk (if you explode the cruiser, recovering the items becomes a nightmare)
serene lark
wait I'm sorry
bleak fog
We all know the clip of Bread cruiser jumping at 12am like it is nothing
serene lark
I misread
meager ivy
i phrased it stupidly so you're fine
meager ivy
but it at least requires some degree of practice, knowing setups, and there's a ...
anyways my problem is that jetpacks require absolutely none of that effort
for similarly crazy results
bleak fog
HQ people just wouldn't play it then if it wasn't.
They already only play v56 so nothing new there
meager ivy
it is mitigated (to a large degree) by the fact that jetpacks are so expensive
you pay $900 for a luxury item vs $185 for a cruiser that can get you the same value or more but with way more risk and skill requirement
and also mitigated by the fact that jetpacks are just fun
untethering yourself from gravity and traveling at absurd speeds is just fun and it always will be
copper rampart
everyone wanted the jetpacks to be reverted after he nerfed them into the ground...
probably overcompensating for everyone suddenly saying the jetpack is horrible
meager ivy
i just think he was a little bit reckless
flat geyser
add streamline jetpack option to terras rebalance @serene lark
meager ivy
he changed one of the most absurd and unique items in the game in a way that made it way less absurd and exciting
flat geyser
i kid
meager ivy
so naturally there was going to be tons of backlash
zeekcord was a hellscape when that patch dropped and a lot of it was just mean, cookie-cutter "feedback" that jetpacks suck now and he's killing the only good item in the game
and i understand, to some extent, just withdrawing from the issue entirely and reverting all the changes he wanted to make to avoid stirring the nest
bleak fog
I think the change was good overall, made the item less janky to casual players without tons of game knowledge. HQ is not everything
meager ivy
i just think it's strange that he would then, on top of that, buff them (they received a 10s battery nerf but who cares? they are 50x easier to steer now)
serene lark
add streamline jetpack option to terras rebalance <@263959239637073922>
Streamline as in?
meager ivy
because now everyone has learned the new jetpack controls that are objectively less challenging and IMO way less interesting
flat geyser
Streamline as in?
he doesnt know chat
meager ivy
and if he ever reverts them back to v49 controls (that thing literally everybody was asking for in the first place) it will probably create just as much controversy as it did before
because at this point they've had time to forget that jetpacks used to work that way when they weren't complaining about it
serene lark
I'm 
flat geyser
I'm <:clue:1217982637310738503>
zeekerss added a "streamline jetpack" boolean to the jetpack when rebalancing it
turning it on does interesting things
versed hull
The real issue is people having such a shitty reaction to a intentionally experimental change and causing him to be uninterested to commit to working on it more
flat geyser
almost feels like a jab at the community
serene lark
oh wait are you talking about the awful jetpack in v50 beta 6
flat geyser
no
bleak fog
I doubt Zeekerss intended on the game being treated so seriously so
versed hull
Based on what he’s posted the LC community that takes the game seriously really put him off working on it to an extent
flat geyser
if you turn it on, the jetpack teleports you between main and ship
and plays an applause sound
bleak fog
Based on what he’s posted the LC community that takes the game seriously really ...
I have seen some funny stuff on Bread’s server, there definitely is some level of entitlement
serene lark
if you turn it on, the jetpack teleports you between main and ship
Oh ZZZZZZ
I mean I won't lie, I kinda think Zeekerss's decisions are kinda petty
meager ivy
definitely feels petty
i dont know if i blame him because it would be difficult to be patient with such a large group of people acting so shitty
but it does feel pretty meanspirited to the group of people who was open to change but just wanted the change in a different direction
or wanted some compromise between ideals
serene lark
There is some entitlement in the community so I won't even deny that, but Zeekerss definitely falls for the whole "dev vs player" mentality
meager ivy
nobody else has had the spotlight poured on them like it's been on him and his decisions
so who can say any of us would be any better
it just leaves a weird taste in my mouth, i guess, way after the fact
flat geyser
idk i just kinda feel bad for him
versed hull
There is some entitlement in the community so I won't even deny that, but Zeeker...
A lot of people want the game to be something it isn’t
flat geyser
but also i feel like he took it too much to heart
versed hull
Like I didn't want him to nerf things because sweats got good at stuff.
This didn’t happen
versed hull
No
serene lark
Yes
versed hull
You are making a incorrect conclusion
He nerfed something in an attempt to make players play a larger variety of levels
serene lark
I mean that's basically the same thing
bleak fog
A lot of people want the game to be something it isn’t
This is so true, imo anyone who wants expanded combat elements have already misunderstood the game
wide nimbusBOT
This is so true, imo anyone who wants expanded combat elements have already misu...
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bleak fog
Bro
meager ivy
thank mew
flat geyser
mewing
versed hull
I mean that's basically the same thing
If you think this I think you have a very slanted viewing of the game
serene lark
I know there are people who play for fun but nerfing things to make for more player variety is literally doing it because certain players got too good at it.
flat geyser
i kinda agree with batby i feel like him nerfing the jetpack was completely reasonable
versed hull
No it’s because being too good at it meant only playing a particular map
meager ivy
anyways, sorry to interrupt, folks...
Chameleon v1.4.0
- 7 new config settings
FogQualityFogReprojectionFixTitanVolumeFixArtificeVolume- All of the above are courtesy of @flat geyser
FixDoorSoundsWindowVariantsWeatherAmbience
- Improvements to
DoorLightColors- New colors for Stormy, Flooded, and Foggy
- Light slowly darkens as the night progresses
- General improvements/fixes for custom content compatibility
versed hull
Congrats
meager ivy
very sorry about how long it took to get this out of the door
but i think it all came together nicely in the past 2 or 3 days of progress
i hope it does not explode
please let me know of any issues you may encounter
bleak fog
If I find a single issue I will crucify you
meager ivy
i would sure hope not
bleak fog
(I am joking)
meager ivy
because then who would fix them
bleak fog
True
meager ivy
I know there are people who play for fun but nerfing things to make for more pla...
i guess i am derailing my own thread again
im not entirely sure what his intentions are with this
i think the artifice changes in v60 are a lot less bad than everyone thinks they are
bleak fog
I just do not like Art nerf on principle
meager ivy
artifice actually shrunk a bit which counteracts the loot count nerf
and artifice, in its previous state, completely obsoleted every single moon as the definitive best option if you wanted to go for high score
even now, it still is, so im not sure anything has really changed
bleak fog
That is why I do not like it, Artifice is still the best moon so HQ is just worse straight-up
meager ivy
i don't think there was anything wrong with letting it remain powerful, and instead, buffing other options to be more desirable (in general i feel like this makes games more cohesively fun)
the alternative of "nerfing what's good" instead risks making everything cohesive, but bad
i'd rather a couple of moons be fun and others bleh than everything be bleh
but obviously the best option would be if everything can be fun
that being said i don't think there is a particularly strong motive behind all of the changes he makes
a lot of them feel pretty much just random
rend had the earth leviathan randomly removed in v60 and who knows what's up with that
dine has gotten nerfed into the ground and he justified it himself by saying he thought dine was too safe
which is an interesting perspective, to me, because i've never seen anyone else with the same sentiment
bleak fog
I would like Titan being as good as Art, it would make a more dynamic meta and would give Dine more room to breathe (rn it is awkwardly scrunched between Rend and Titan)
meager ivy
almost everybody in the community that plays above the supercasual level knows that rend is far more lucrative and safe than dine ever was, and it's strange that he hasn't done anything to rend and has instead directed the nerf cannon at dine
i dont think he is making all of his decisions based on general community opinion, then
copper rampart
# Chameleon v1.4.0
- 7 new config settings
- `FogQuality`
- `FogReprojection...
fog of what?
meager ivy
fog in general
copper rampart
ooh window variants? what do they look like
meager ivy
this screenshot was taken with reprojection which causes weirdness if you play with flashlights
but supposedly you can get a similar result if you turn your FogQuality up and leave reprojection off
without the flashlight ghosts
just be aware that FogQuality costs performance more than reprojection does
at least, in my experience
reprojection is a nice shortcut if you don't find yourself using light emitting items on a regular basis
meager ivy
ooh window variants? what do they look like
there are screenshots on thunderstore
i almost forgot to include them
meager ivy
i dont think he is making all of his decisions based on general community opinio...
anyways i guess convo is basically dead so i'll close out rq
to some degree he has been changing things in response to what his community has done with them
bleak fog
I have more to say but am keeping quiet since it is your thread
meager ivy
kidnapper fox was removed because of backlash, jetpacks were reverted because of backlash, etc.
artifice was probably nerfed because he knew how dominant it was in the "competitive scene"
but i think, on the other hand, a lot of the changes he makes are probably based on just personal decisions and that's why they sometimes feel out of pocket (or even "out of touch")
meager ivy
it might still be on v1.3.0
idk how long thunderstore takes to refresh the readme page
i guess i can just reupload them here, if it's being slow
"grassy" moons use the default appearance
including artifice
although this is compatible with artifice blizzard
and custom snow moons as well
in the future i will probably add a weight system like i did with the mineshaft caverns, but forgive me for the delay on that because it was officially "too much" to cram into v1.4
wild fox
yeah details page on ts is still on 1.3.0
copper rampart
what are the original images?
wild fox
yeah details page on ts is still on 1.3.0
now it s on 1.4.0
meager ivy
i dont have an in-game screenshot ready, but it's the same image as from the painting scrap
copper rampart
no i mean the images that you made into the window
meager ivy
I have more to say but am keeping quiet since it is your thread
also, btw, feel free to speak your mind, i dont really mind my threads being off topic... or we could move somewhere else
meager ivy
no i mean the images that you made into the window
ah
they are just public domain paintings
like the original image
copper rampart
yeah but could you like post em
meager ivy
the snow one is "Winter im Wald" by Walter Moras
flat geyser
# Chameleon v1.4.0
- 7 new config settings
- `FogQuality`
- `FogReprojection...
hi im dopadream hi
thank you buttery stanxake
cake
meager ivy
the watermark is actually visible in game in one of the corners of the painting
flat geyser
Lol
meager ivy
the snow one is "Winter im Wald" by Walter Moras
desert is "Grand Canyon of the Colorado River" by Thomas Moran
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Thomas_Moran,_American_(born_England)_-_Grand_Canyon_of_the_Colorado_River_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg
yeah
i am kind of surprised how well they fit in game too
only thing i was a bit on the fence about was spoiling what i assume is the intent of the window rooms in the first place
there is kind of a worldbuilding detail in that manors primarily generate on frozen wasteland moons that are completely uninhabitable
but the windows show fake, lively scenes "outside"
meager ivy
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Walter_Moras_Winter_im_Wald.jpg
that is somewhat less apparent when i replace the image with this
but it's nice for visual variety
at least
rapid thicket
but the windows show fake, lively scenes "outside"
yeah
once you make the windows like the mineshafts I'll probably make it so the snowy moons have the green one, the forest moons have the sand and the desert moons have the snow
meager ivy
just became aware of some bugs so i'll go ahead and post here
just to indicate that i am aware
PlanetPreview, FancyFoliage, and FancyShrouds will not be removed from the "Exterior" section like I intended them to be (the real settings were moved to "Rendering")
i goofed the migration code a bit
also, I forgot to account for PowerWindowsOff being disabled
so you need to have it enabled or WindowVariants will be skipped
i will fix both of these in v1.4.1 but will wait just a bit longer in case something else comes up
quaint mason
What was up with Dopadream's Dine?
meager ivy
?
acoustic bolt
PlanetPreview, FancyFoliage, and FancyShrouds will not be removed from the "Exte...
So I'm guessing these should be set to false under exterior to prevent duplication?
meager ivy
it doesnt matter what you set them to
they will be ignored
although if you reboot your game with them set to false
it will set the real settings to false
so i would suggest leaving them on default
i can also just go ahead and push 1.4.1
since nobody's said anything
about other bugs
acoustic bolt
Yeah I never ran into any issues
meager ivy
they moved the main entrance somewhere else on dine
quaint mason
So it's just an incompat issue?
meager ivy
it's not expressly incompatible but she'd need to reposition the doors in their mod and i didnt want to dump that responsibility on her by surprise
quaint mason
Figured. I was just curious as to why
meager ivy
talking about rebalanced moons compatibility with fancyentrancedoors
meager ivy
i can just reuse the coordinates from the original maps
except on dine where you moved the main entranc
so you'd need to have a patch after mine runs
in rebalancedmoons
to find the door object chameleon creates and then reposition it
flat geyser
alrighty
meager ivy
otherwise the doors will just vanish and fancy doors will be in the wrong spot
quaint mason
Unrelated but I can't appreciate y'all enough for adding smoother fog
flat geyser
:3
meager ivy
dopadream basically did everything
quaint mason
This + LCUltrawide Community makes the game look so silky smooth, more like an actual cartoon
I love it
meager ivy
i would encourage checking out the fogreprojection setting
barren socket
as I understand it, the background image behind the map location was fixed, but there was a picture with taps from Zeekers?
meager ivy
it kinda fucks up flashlights and is way too distracting
for me to use it
but it's a cool effect and worth seeing
at least
kinda fun
flat geyser
as I understand it, the background image behind the map location was fixed, but ...
ugh that reminds me
i need to figure out what the incompat is with GI and BF
meager ivy
yes
quaint mason
Huh
flat geyser
i dont know why
quaint mason
ugh that reminds me
i need to figure out what the incompat is with GI and BF
?
Not for me
meager ivy
although the only reason i'd encourage using fogreprojection is if increasing your fogquality is too taxing on your performance
meager ivy
increasing fogquality doesnt have the fucky flashlight fx
quaint mason
yes
I like the fog being silky smooth
But I still want some of Zeekerss' artstyle there
So I'm keepin' it off personally
meager ivy
and will make it look less noisy in a very similar way
quaint mason
I use that
quaint mason
Doesn't break it
At least
I don't think
If it does, then it can only be seen in spectate somehow
flat geyser
well for me when i try using it it disappears
meager ivy
all that butteryfixes does is take the ship icon (that's already there and rendering) and scoots it forward a bit because it's layered behind everything else where it doesn't draw
flat geyser
one second
meager ivy
unless something else is changing that specific object it shouldnt be incompatible with anything
meager ivy
maybe something about GI's better monitors makes it not render correctly
but idk
that is a completely blind guess
flat geyser
i dont use that
meager ivy
just to be clear
flat geyser
i just use the north rotated monitor
meager ivy
it only shows up when the compass is on screen
flat geyser
right
meager ivy
which means you need to spectate something far away from the ship and also outside
in singleplayer that would require a radar booster
flat geyser
let me try again
flat geyser
I might have gaslit myself
it is also working fine on my end
i strictly remember it not working though when i was playing at some point
apologies :P
flat geyser
maybe the former
meager ivy
WeatherAmbience- Makes heavy rain and blizzards faintly audible while inside of the building.
- Volume slider goes from 0 (0%) to 1 (100%).
quaint mason
Thank you so much
meager ivy
i kind of forgot to update the description
quaint mason
It's so immersive
meager ivy
hello shrimp
flat geyser
Say hi to Shrimp
generic was showing me a lot of storehouse stuff in a voice call before the update dropped
it was really cool
he puts a lot of attention to detail lol
quaint mason
I will be extra observant when I roll a Storehouse on Bozoros then
flat geyser
I will say
flat geyser
Try loading storehouse on submerision, assuming he kept that feature in
quaint mason
it is different on oceanic moons
or flooded moon
quaint mason
A cool addition to this mod would be a scan node for boulders/giant pumpkins (Since they are technically the exterior hazards)
or a custom bestiary for said giant pumpkins since there's already a scannable entity that aren't animals
Since this mod is about the smaller worldbuilding details of Lethal Company Ig
slate cosmos
Please no. I don't think clutter that pretty much has 0 use needs scan nodes. It's what I dislike in Rosie's interiors too.
quaint mason
Everything in Chameleon is a config option so it'd be fine if some ppl don't like it
Maybe only just have them be pumpkins or something
Oh yeah
Offense doesn't have any ambience like how Assurance does
The little droning music
Maybe that'd also be a nice addition? Idk
rapid thicket
Ooo yeah
vivid kindle
Would you mind making this flip the vanilla sound files instead of the sound cue itself? 
flat geyser
Would you mind making this flip the vanilla sound files instead of the sound cue...
just turn it off in the config
im pretty sure this would require re-packaging the vanilla sounds backwards
in a bundle
meager ivy
yes
it's a setting, if you are replacing the sounds, i'd recommend just turning it off
flat geyser
not worth the trouble or filesize IMO
versed hull
what do they mean flip
vivid kindle
yeahhh, but it's gonna be a bit annoying for people to do, especially on large modpacks with frequent changes
flat geyser
what do they mean flip
chameleon fixes the door sounds playing backwards
versed hull
isn't there a way where u just set the pitch to negative
flat geyser
lethal resonance however uses the door open sounds for the close sounds to compensate for vanilla just having them backwards
wh
meager ivy
isn't there a way where u just set the pitch to negative
not in reverse
meager ivy
zeekerss assigned the open sounds to the closing animation
flat geyser
and vice versa
meager ivy
and vice versa
flat geyser
jinx
versed hull
how do u fix that
meager ivy
anyways i agree that configuration can be inconvenient but it is a setting with a clear description and the alternative uses up a lot of additional file space
so it is a necessary evil, in my eyes
vivid kindle
Wait, couldn't this have just been an enemy sound fixes update? lol
meager ivy
to be honest probably
just to make it even better
butteryfixes has the fix for the adamance/rend cabin doors using the wrong sounds
so now you need all 3 for the ultimate doors (doors) soundscape
wild fox
DoorSoundFixes when
quaint mason
so now you need all 3 for the ultimate doors (doors) soundscape
DOORS
vivid kindle
And this - ladies and gentlemen - is how enshittification occurs non-maliciously
vivid kindle
DoorSoundFixes when
This would work too since I can check if specific mods are installed lol
wild fox
Can include the Experimentation door thing too 💅
meager ivy
doors are not enemies
i have wanted to rename enemysoundfixes to miscsoundfixes for the longest time but this is an impossibility with thunderstore
versed hull
but how do u fix this tho buttery
meager ivy
if anything i would kinda want to move the door sound fixes into that mod
so "sound fixes" can all be under one umbrella
wild fox
Better now than never..............
meager ivy
but it wound up in chameleon because it also includes fixes for the door meshes
vivid kindle
At this point just deprecate enemy sound fixes and combine into a new one
Better to rip the bandaid off now I'd say
meager ivy
but how do u fix this tho buttery
wdym
flat geyser
This would work too since I can check if specific mods are installed lol
then why arent you just checking for if chameleon is installed
versed hull
like how are you fixing the door thing mentioned before
meager ivy
i just swap the references
animated object triggers have "bool true" and "bool false" audio arrays
vivid kindle
then why arent you just checking for if chameleon is installed
Because the config might also be turned off, and I can't check for that 
meager ivy
zeekerss assigned many of the door sounds backwards
you can just swap the two arrays to fix it
and that's what i did
versed hull
how is that fucking up mods tho
meager ivy
it's not
flat geyser
lethal resonance has backwards door sounds
meager ivy
but lethal resonance was designed with this bug in mind
flat geyser
to compensate for zeekerss making them backwards
meager ivy
so their close sounds sound like doors opening and vice versa
versed hull
ahhh
meager ivy
the solution is to turn off the setting in chameleon, which yeah, it is inconvenient for a bunch of people to have to fix that, and i am sympathetic to that
vivid kindle
I'm pretty certain most sound mods are already compensating for it by now, which is all the more reason zeek hasn't fixed it himself tbh
versed hull
I'm pretty certain most sound mods are already compensating for it by now, which...
zeeekers doesn't know what mods do lmao
meager ivy
however... this is kind of a "pick your poison" situation where one evil is going to prevail
vivid kindle
Oh he absolutely does
versed hull
naur
meager ivy
chameleon fixes the bug by default but i added a setting to force disable it
vivid kindle
Maybe not as intimately as us here, but he does keep track of the modding scene
versed hull
what makes you think that
meager ivy
the alternatives would require increasing the filesize to swap the actual physical audio clips (which could also cause its own issues depending on order of operations)
flat geyser
Maybe not as intimately as us here, but he does keep track of the modding scene
im 99% sure he doesn't
meager ivy
or automatically detecting if one mod has the other installed, and doing auto-compatibility, but that removes control from the user which also feels kind of awkward
flat geyser
ive seen him look at clips on multiple occasions with mods and not know what its from
wild fox
I am on team "Time to give in and make Misc.SoundFixes"
vivid kindle
The belt bag specifically, he said in a patreon/discord post that it was part in due to reserved item slots
meager ivy
I am on team "Time to give in and make Misc.SoundFixes"
if this did not require deprecating enemysoundfixes, making everyone redownload the mod under a new title, and making every single "modpack" that references enemysoundfixes as a dependency change to reference the new mod
i would have probably done this a long time ago
vivid kindle
Or just sound fixes 
meager ivy
but i think at this point the bandaid has festered too much to rip
flat geyser
reserved item slots are a very common suggestion that he gets and he mentioned one might be in order in a patreon post
before the belt bag was added
thats all i remember
versed hull
he isn't up on the mod scene he's around people who are
vivid kindle
Which by proxy means he loosely follows the modding scene lol
wild fox
but i think at this point the bandaid has festered too much to rip
I don't think so but true
meager ivy
idk
wild fox
I still think it'd be better long term though for any future of these "cases"
meager ivy
it's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't, damned if you think of doing, and retroactively damned from anyone ever doing anything" scenario
all of the options suck
but inaction at least feels like it's not actively contributing to a new problem
vivid kindle
All options suck, but fixing it will be the best option in the long run imo
Alternatively, if all options suck it doesn't matter which you choose, so might as well choose to fix
meager ivy
i will think about it
if im going to make the change it will at least require me to consolidate everything into one spot
so i will need to migrate some stuff from butteryfixes and chameleon into it
and then update all 3 at once
i definitely dont have the energy for that right this minute
but you are probably right
meager ivy
if im going to make the change it will at least require me to consolidate everyt...
(for peace of mind, anyway)
vivid kindle
Yeah that sounds like for the best
Modpacks will be updated and abandoned ones will break eventually anyway
meager ivy
i suppose i can mitigate the transitional pains as well
by updating enemysoundfixes to hollow it out and add soundfixes as a dependency
vivid kindle
That works too yeah
wild fox
thanks thunderstore
meager ivy
which should hopefully migrate everyone over "mostly automatically" and then they would just have to uninstall the old one and move their configs
barren socket
Admit it, is ArtificeBlizzard somehow connected with it?
The second player joined and could not load onto the moon Artifice
Possibly in the Mine dungeon
barren socket
Is this mod unrelated?
final wagon
> - `WeatherAmbience` - Makes heavy rain and blizzards faintly audible while ins...
Are the meteors audible from inside too? 
slate cosmos
They were to me last they occurred. But I don't know if some mod made them or if it's vanilla.
vivid kindle
Are the meteors audible from inside too? <:plink:1308332227318255696>
They already are in vanilla
final wagon
Didn't know
vivid kindle
its really subtle, yeah
I was surprised too
Won't be subtle for long though
(please fix meteor sound stacking buttery)
final wagon
barren socket
Is it very dangerous?
meager ivy
Is it very dangerous?
probably not but it should not be happening
meager ivy
Is it very dangerous?
does this occur more than once?
i guess under certain circumstances it would be possible for it to occur for one frame, right as you open/join a lobby
it should be fairly harmless
i will ix it in the next release but it shouldnt be breaking anything
steep wyvern
i will ix it in the next release but it shouldnt be breaking anything
speaking of bugs
whenever i add Chameleon, the game seems to just not load at all.
Not sure if its a cross compat issue or Chameleon itsself
mentions something about Shadows
I can check if you need.
meager ivy
need to see the log
neon owl
if this did not require deprecating enemysoundfixes, making everyone redownload ...
i think it is definitely not worth it to do this over something so minor
most people downloading the mod probably dont even care what it does, they just see "Fixes" and click install
quaint mason
most people downloading the mod probably dont even care what it does, they just ...
And they wonder why their modpack is suddenly bricked...
copper rampart
idea, facility having flooded pits on flooded/ocean moons?
bleak fog
There actually was a mod kinda like that, where the facility slowly flooded during Flooded weather and you had to use an Oxygen Canister to keep exploring them. Unfortunately it does not work anymore
trim plaza
Dang
But I agree that water under parkour sections would look pretty cool visually, though it may turn out more complicated than we think
An updated interior flooding mod maybe the best way to do it. That or adding like, water drip particles around the dungeons, similar to what you'd see in mineshaft caves?
copper rampart
i mean water in stuff like jump pits or the factory room pits
chameleon is just a visual mod
final wagon
The biggest problem is probably because a player that falls into these pits will die, the water makes the body floats. People that doesn't have the mod would probably see the body floating on air
Even if the water isn't real and it's purely client-side, it's kinda lame
Would be funny ngl
But it could work on main entrance in factory the water rising below, there's no way to get there so it would be "purely cosmetic"
meager ivy
i mean water in stuff like jump pits or the factory room pits
i might be able to pull it off
seems like it would be pretty easy TBH
it goes up there with "factories having weather in the starting room"
copper rampart
The biggest problem is probably because a player that falls into these pits will...
maybe the water inside is really heavy and makes the body sink
meager ivy
for stuff i tentatively agree is interesting and worthwhile but no ETA
final wagon
maybe the water inside is really heavy and makes the body sink
That happens on Gordion
copper rampart
the water on gordion is acid and instantly obliterates bodies
meager ivy
it's blueberry milkshake and really really tastay
bleak fog
Giant straw mod when
final wagon
What if the ocean is a really really big slime
bleak fog
The actual company monster
fathom lava
water in pits on factory/mineshaft during flooded would be cool. Having some visual indicator of the weather outside in the entrance room on vanilla interiors would also be really awesome if that's possible.
Love this mod, hard to imagine not having it any more
bleak fog
True for most of Butter’s catalog tbh
meager ivy
water in pits on factory/mineshaft during flooded would be cool. Having some vis...
Having some visual indicator of the weather outside in the entrance room on vanilla interiors would also be really awesome if that's possible.
as i said above this is planned! but no ETA
i think it'll be cool but im not sure how i want to implement it or how i want it to look yet
i think implementing flooded pits will be a bit more straightforward so those will probably come first
flat geyser
i feel so sigma
final wagon
crazy how Chameleon went from "cool mod to have on your modpack" to "must have on your modpack"
Literally game changer
meager ivy
well
it has dramatically grown in scope from the initial implementation
crazy to think that it started as a single setting in butteryfixes
lol
doorlightcolors started as a butteryfixes setting too, i believe, but that never made it to any release version
i pulled it over to chameleon before releasing that patch
i think i am happy with the split and i am happy with what chameleon has grown into
although there is a lot of stuff that has been forgotten and left on the backburner in the time since
final wagon
serene lark
Is there a way you can make the fancy door meshes available for anyone to use for making their moon chameleon compatible?
meager ivy
best approach is probably to just let people register their own CosmeticLevelInfo
but it'd require them writing code on their side
final wagon
Ok, i got a idea for Chameleon
But it probably won't be well received because there are other mods that do this
but i'll try to convice that it's a good idea
What if masked enemies had random vanilla suits
i know that there is Mirage and MaskedEnemyOverhaul
and GeneralImprovements
but it's different
they change Masked enemies in many ways, including taking the masks and some animations to blend in
technically they are required by everyone on the lobby
but Chameleon is fully client-side
and it's a different approach
those mods copy the players suits/cosmetics and put them into the masked enemies
final wagon
What if masked enemies had **random** _vanilla_ suits
but it would work different if it was like this, the masked enemy spawns and he has a random suit, that random suit can be the decoy suit, green suit, hazard suit, pajama suit, bee suit or bunny suit
not necessarily imitating the players
i'm just limiting to vanilla suits because i think extending it to every suit could have some unexpected incompatibility... the brown suit could be included i guess
trim plaza
This could be cool, basically just randomly chosen reskins
If not in Chameleon should be pretty easy as a standalone mod
final wagon
I guess, I just thought it would suit Chameleon very well as it expands on vanilla elements
The game sometimes lack enemy variety
Tulip snakes are kinda special because they're the only enemy that has different skins
copper rampart
chameleon is mostly environment changes
copper rampart
The game sometimes lack enemy variety
colorfulenemyvariety:
bleak fog
but it would work different if it was like this, the masked enemy spawns and he ...
I do personally think this is more of a request for ColorfulEnemyVariety, this mod has not dealt with enemies at all and this would fit in with that mod
copper rampart
I do personally think this is more of a request for ColorfulEnemyVariety, this m...
colorfulenemyvariety can't affect masked, enemyskinregistry has no support for masked
final wagon
colorfulenemyvariety:
I know that
final wagon
I do personally think this is more of a request for ColorfulEnemyVariety, this m...
SnowyGiants
bleak fog
true
idk it just feels redundant, but I can see the want to streamline things for yourself
I forgot SnowyGiants was in this mod because I ignored it since I have a skin mod already
final wagon
It's not like I'm asking to create new skins from scratch and copy things that other mods do. It's just an idea that makes this mod expand the content in a creative way
The masked enemies are, in a way, a Chameleon if you think about it...
bleak fog
Something I have not seen in any mod is a completely random suit, most Masked mods have them copy a player's existing outfit
That could be the angle we do here
final wagon
That's the idea
empty saffron
chameleon
near badge
the fixed Artifice fog looks dope when it's stormy
quaint mason
Odd question, but
How come the indoor blizzard ambiences aren't different from each other?
Rend has the strongest blizzard, Dine has a weaker blizzard, and Titan lacks a blizzard at all, but they all share the same blizzard volume levels indoors
meager ivy
blizzard applies to all snowy moons exactly the same
it was easiest to implement that way and also i just don't think there's a strong enough difference that it warrants overcomplication
quaint mason
I just realized that I difference over different
meager ivy
like
i guess i could make it variable strength depending on the moon, but it's all kind of a wash anyway with custom moons
and it's hard to calibrate the weather ambience volume in your config if it's not even consistent between moons
quaint mason
and it's hard to calibrate the weather ambience volume in your config if it's no...
What do you mean by that?
meager ivy
well like
if you set the volume so that it's audible but subtle enough on dine
it'll be overblown on rend
or vice versa
if it sounds good on rend it wont be audible on dine
quaint mason
Oh, that kinda brings me to my idea
meager ivy
and at the end of the day anyway, it is making the assumption that all custom snowy moons have a blizzard
quaint mason
You know how weight systems are in configs, right? Instead of that, you set the name of the moon, and after the colon, 0-100 determines the volume of the ambience on said moon
What the fuck does this mean 😭
meager ivy
so they can benefit from that added effect even if it's not exactly attuned to the individual moons' blizzard intensity
meager ivy
You know how weight systems are in configs, right? Instead of that, you set the ...
i guess maybe, but i think this is still a layer of needless complexity, TBH
also there's other stuff that needs more configurability anyhow
quaint mason
It'd be nice for perfectionists like me (Probably only me tbh), but it's not necessary at all
meager ivy
if i'm retooling configs i'd rather invest that time, RN, in making window weights customizable
and i still eventually need to get to repainting interiors
not sure when the time will come for that
quaint mason
Repainting interiors?
meager ivy
been on the backburner since "actually just forever"
that and LLL tag integration
chameleon is starting to grow super unwieldy though
pretty much the entire mod is still just 2 classes
quaint mason
?
meager ivy
i think before the next major update im going to do a lot of retooling
i want to make my mineshaft weighted config system more generic so i can reuse it for the windows too
and eventually for the "paintjobs" or w/e
quaint mason
Generic in what way?
meager ivy
and i'd like to split some stuff up into different classes just for peace of mind and navigability
generic in a programming sense
i'm speaking purely technical here
nothing should change on the user's side, hopefully
until i add more features
anyways chameleon is on the backburner even still
because there's also an enemysoundfixes update i need to post "soon"
and then i need to release the v1.4.2 hotfix before i can actually spend time working in the weeds
speaking of weeds, yesfox also needs some fixing
so much needs to be done
Sigh
and then there's restoremapper and the mod to restore lasso
quaint mason
Make sure to take your time and whatnot, you're doing all this for free after all
I am excite for what you've got in the works, they sound all very interesting and swag and cool and yea
Lookin' forward to them
heady hatch
and then there's restoremapper and the mod to restore lasso
👀
meager ivy
I have pushed v1.4.2
this removes FixDoorSounds which I have moved into EnemySoundFixes instead (but it works the same way in both places)
also i fixed a couple of bugs
anyways im not sure when i will get back to serious work on chameleon again
i have a lot of technical debt to look forward to
so i think the next update will be sort of small
but i think the two things im most interested in, right now, are flooded factory pits (cool) and weighted window variants
so those will probably be where i draw the line for v1.4.3 or v1.5.0
vivid kindle
but i think the two things im most interested in, right now, are flooded factory...
Mineshaft pits too
meager ivy
oh yeah true
fathom lava
Looking forward to it either way! Hope the internal work goes well.
rapid thicket
but i think the two things im most interested in, right now, are flooded factory...
maybe you could add a window variant for embrion?
it could be cool if it was something really different than the rest
maybe something like this?
final wagon
maybe something like this?
My favorite view from the window in my manor... the post apocalyptic world
rapid thicket
it really puts you in a good mood
copper rampart
can mansion even spawn on embrion?
meager ivy
can mansion even spawn on embrion?
yea
copper rampart
hm
meager ivy
he basically doubled the chance in v60
although he still added way more mineshaft chance
so it kind of went under the radar
mental crystal
Because there’s mansions for the super rich on planets right next to a star filled with toxic gasses and no biological life.
Elon went wild after he achieved immortality
meager ivy
why are the first 79,311 lines of your log transpiler dumps
there is entirely too much text here for me to investigate it thoroughly
and a cursory glance + search didn't return anything that concerns me
so im not sure what to do with this info
whenever a scene unloads i run some code to automatically disable the indoor weather ambiences
so it doesnt make sense to me what could be happening here
quaint mason
why are the first 79,311 lines of your log transpiler dumps
Wtf
I forgot I left them on, sorry
meager ivy
well i can just skip the lines so it's fine
but also there's still too much text after the fact
searching didn't return any exceptions
i dont have any logs from the weather audio stuff to look for so no luck there
so atp idk what to do to investigate this
quaint mason
I'll send (Hopefully) non-shit logs whenever I encounter this glitch again
Apologies
final wagon
Suggestion: Make this poster legible
copper rampart
how does this man being legible help with cohension between the exterior and interior
final wagon
this wasn't my original suggestion, i just posted to see what people would say
Suggestion: Make the roof at the "backrooms room" have some kind of lamp
the light just comes out of nowhere 😭
copper rampart
oh my god i never noticed this
flat geyser
how does this man being legible help with cohension between the exterior and int...
to be fair though
copper rampart
to be fair though
no
flat geyser
the scope of chameleon has kind of expanded to just general graphics improvements
final wagon
Suggestion: Make the roof at the "backrooms room" have some kind of lamp
something like this
flat geyser
but i dont see how this is an improvement
copper rampart
also there's not really that much to go off in terms of making it more legible
flat geyser
Suggestion: Make the roof at the "backrooms room" have some kind of lamp
but yea the ceiling here not being a white plane would be nice
sacred sorrel
Is that meant to be an elevator part that got left over? Odd
flat geyser
Is that meant to be an elevator part that got left over? Odd
Its leftover from the games alpha
the interior used to be physically in the building and you'd take an elevator down
Idk why he never hollowed this building out
it is beyond me
sacred sorrel
It looks so lamp shaped that I couldn't be sure it was actually the elevator cable, neatto
meager ivy
but yea the ceiling here not being a white plane would be nice
i like how bad this room looks
but i will probably repaint it for some of the factory variants
bleak fog
This can be debated but I kinda want to keep the game’s janky charm to a small extent
Floating lights or the backroom’s mysterious lights are hardly noticeable in normal gameplay and are funny when you see them
Funny in that special LC way
Stuff like the exterior door being the factory one with mansions and windows being one-sided are a little immersion-breaking so I think those are fine changes
Also stuff like blizzard ambience being audible indoors enhances the game’s existing sound design so that is great too
Stuff like adjusting the lights in factory tiles feels like we are getting too nitpicky
flat geyser
but i will probably repaint it for some of the factory variants
the what
bleak fog
The backrooms rooms
rapid thicket
just like the mineshaft variants
oh wait
I thought you were asking about "the factory variants"
neon owl
but yea the ceiling here not being a white plane would be nice
there's literally a tile ceiling material already in the game. that room just doesn't use it for some reason
final wagon
Classic Zeekerss moment
bleak fog
That’s funny, this mod could just activate it
flat wraith
oh my god i never noticed this
there's also no texture on the roof lol
flat wraith
but i will probably repaint it for some of the factory variants
ooo peak
final wagon
Experimentation sky doesn't get dark at night
flat geyser
wtf
thats like
actually kind of a vibe
makes no sense, but makes for a cool screenshot at least
anyways im honestly not sure whats going on here
final wagon
wouldn't it be much cooler if the sun doesn't set on Experimentation and the sky kept bright lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl6DbRoX9X4
anyways, it was just something i noticed
serene lark
Experimentation sky doesn't get dark at night
That's actually a thing on all moons
the skybox is the same regardless of time of day
final wagon
i know that
i watched it get darker on almost every moon
but the experimentation skybox doesn't get darker
flat geyser
That's actually a thing on all moons
you're misunderstanding i think
the sky gets darker as the time progresses
IIRC it just changes the exposure
but it appears like its not working in their screenshot
meager ivy
i haven't ever noticed issues with the sky on experimentation
so im not sure what is happening here either
final wagon
just for record, i took the screenshots on vanilla, not modded
serene lark
OH wait I see, wtf
meager ivy
it appears it is because of the "Indoors" volume
using profile "IndoorIntro"
it has a clone of the sky in 1k
that is probably rendering over the global sky
serene lark
Thank you Zeekerss
flat geyser
it appears it is because of the "Indoors" volume
can i call dibs
meager ivy
?
meager ivy
oh
if you want
i was just gonna patch over the fog settings function
add a new case for experimentation (where titan/artifice is) and toggle off the sky override if the volume name is Indoors on Experimentation
i wanna double check that this is actually happening first
though
meager ivy
nothing i do replicates this for me
tried climbing the water tower (this activates a fog object across most of the map)
went to the fire exit
went in and outside of the building
flat geyser
i was just gonna patch over the fog settings function
oh i just figured you were tired of adding onto this lol
if you wanna do it go ahead
final wagon
i'll investigate it then
meager ivy
the issue doesn't even replicate for me in the first place
flat geyser
Lol?
meager ivy
this is experimentation
flat geyser
i'll investigate it then
can i have ur code
final wagon
hopped on modded rn, i'll just stay on the ship to see if that happens again
meager ivy
i didnt test on vanilla tbf but i'd be somewhat surprised if anything i have touches this specific bug on experimentation
flat geyser
hey buttery
totally unrelated but how much do you know about transpilers
just curious
final wagon
lol
i'll hop on vanilla again
it would be funny if Chameleon fixed it without knowing
serene lark
Perhaps another mod already fixes it
final wagon
i'm getting crazy
meager ivy
totally unrelated but how much do you know about transpilers
idk
like
what do you mean
final wagon
i'm getting crazy
idk what's going on
flat geyser
idk
idk just are you physically able to wrap your head around them at all Lol they're so weird
i dont wanna flood this channel so im gonna dm u something
meager ivy
idk just are you physically able to wrap your head around them at all Lol they'r...
i've never done them the "proper" way with codematcher but i manage them okay
chameleon off
final wagon
that's the ugliest screenshot i've took, but i figured it out
it wasn't Experimentation
It was the weather
i was only able to notice it because my hardware doesn't support fog
lol
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meager ivy
foggy does indeed make the sky way brighter
but not to the degree it is in your screenshots, for me
first is foggy, second without
same spot
meager ivy
i also couldnt see this without jetpacking to the top of the building
flat geyser
huh
final wagon
they might just have their gamma cranked up
flat geyser
idk dawg...
meager ivy
from down low it looks fine
"fine"
this is right outside the ship
by golly i love foggy weather!
it is a Good feature
meager ivy
foggy weather is only the fog object
if anything is affecting the sky
it seems like it would be the "overcast" animation for the sun
which activates on not just foggy
but stormy and flooded as well
final wagon
Flooded looks fine on March at least
i'm testing on other moons creating multiple save files to see how it works on other weathers
meager ivy
yes, experimentation's sky is totally over-exposed on flooded weather
same deal on stormy
it would be the same on foggy except i guess the hellfog hides it better
final wagon
Assurance Clear vs Assurance Foggy
meager ivy
yeah, it will affect all moons
@flat geyser have you any idea what is going on here?
you have definitely looked more into volume stuff than i have
the error seems to be specifically with Sky and Fog Global Volume or Sky and Fog Global Volume (1) when the overcast bool is set on the sun animator
flat geyser
as much as ive looked into volumes i have no idea how the time of day stuff is handled
i couldnt figure that out
i wanted to
meager ivy
i know you mentioned exposure but i checked with unityexplorer and it doesnt seem like exposure is affected by either animation
meager ivy
like, it looks like the same exposure value is used by both animations, i mean
meager ivy
as much as ive looked into volumes i have no idea how the time of day stuff is h...
wdym
meager ivy
depending on what you need to know i could probably clarify
flat geyser
or how
meager ivy
every moon has a sun animator
SunAnimContainer or BlizzardSunAnimContainer
it plays an animation of the sun moving, lights changing, etc. and progress of that clip gets synced with the time of day
meager ivy
the error seems to be specifically with `Sky and Fog Global Volume` or `Sky and ...
that same clip also affects values on the volumes i mentioned here
as for what values, i dont know, because it looks like the rip doesnt preserve them
flat geyser
wait r u serious
flat geyser
as for what values, i dont know, because it looks like the rip doesnt preserve t...
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does this mean my moons probably have a broken daylight cycle
meager ivy
does this mean my moons probably have a broken daylight cycle
possible
idk
when the animation clips are recompiled into the game
flat geyser
i have yet to notice
meager ivy
it might fix the references that are broken
i dont know how this is all set up
but anyways im quite confident the error lies somewhere in here
meager ivy
the error seems to be specifically with `Sky and Fog Global Volume` or `Sky and ...
there is some difference between the resting values of one (or both) of these volumes
that causes it to be way brighter during overcast weather (foggy, stormy, and flooded)
at the end of the night
flat geyser
sorry dumb question but would one of the yellow values here not be it?
meager ivy
well that's what im saying
one of the yellow values is probably what it is
but because of the rip
i can't see what they are
meager ivy
you just mentioned you were interested
and you've messed with the volumetrics more than i have
so i was wondering if you had any insight