Chameleon

[split cargo]

interesting, I guess I must've checked for the material differently before, but you're right

it doesn't find it in menu after all

good to know

[versed hull]

i think that is fine now anyway since in the mineshaft update roundmanager had a ref to it

[versed hull]

Scene has .rootObjects built in directly so it's easy to iterate through a specific scene if you do ever need to

[split cargo]

interesting I see

so it would be possible to do from the menu but a little more involved

[flat geyser]

oh finally

[split cargo]

ayyy

[versed hull]

if it is scene exclusive you have to run it every time the scene loads

[flat geyser]

difmappings is null

i guess im not initializing it properly

[split cargo]

oh so the scriptables are contained within the scene? that's interesting

I thought they were always treated independently

[versed hull]

oh no scriptables are

but materials may or may not be

[split cargo]

oh wait

oh yea you right, they are Object not ScriptableObject

I forgor

would be interesting to know what it does then

I think Object is essentially the same as Serializable? but I may be wrong

[split cargo]

honestly it wouldn't be very slow to just iterate the diffusion list for every material you're replacing, if you're only applying the change to each material once

there's only like 5 materials in theory

[flat geyser]

yeah ig so

[split cargo]

I'll be away for a while tho

[flat geyser]

nw

thanks for the help

[split cargo]

glgl I hope to see pretty screenshots

[flat geyser]

yess

im on the tip of the iceberg

[versed hull]

(again just pointing out if you do run into any scene exclusive materials afaik you will need to reapply them every time the scene is loaded)

[split cargo]

right but the materials are shared throughout the scene at the very least, so it should only need to apply to each sharedMaterial instance once

but scanning renderers will find tens or hundreds

could skip them if the shader is already set

[versed hull]

re-apply* but yeah

[flat geyser]

guh

i did it

yay

i just need to add the references to the other materials

works on modded scenes

[flat geyser]

before/after

[final wagon]

Idk if it's because i played the og a lot, but it's kind of strange to be able to see the tree so perfectly, is there no in-between?

[flat wraith]

i think the problem here is that light is also shining thru the wood lol

[flat geyser]

i think it looks nice bc it looks like the light is bouncing

it looks really good with all the shaders too

I seriously think it looks fine but I could add a slider for transmission I guess?

[flat wraith]

eeeeh........ idk not really imo, it just looks like the tree's glowing heheh

[flat wraith]

this looks good but I still honestly prefer vanilla

cool asf and I'm sure a lotta moons will make use of it tho

[flat geyser]

thats

how light works

it illuminates things

brotha

[flat wraith]

-_-

yes but light shouldn't be going Through the tree

brotha

which is exactly what's going on there lol

[flat geyser]

go outside and look on the dark side of a tree and it will not be #0000 i promise

[flat wraith]

I just prefer the high contrast personally

[final wagon]

the only way to really know if this looks good or not is to play it and see, so I'll just wait for the update

[flat wraith]

i don't really care it just looks bad in my very humble very personal Opinion

[flat geyser]

well theres always the config setting for the occasional oddball

[flat wraith]

bro calling me an oddball istg 😭

[flat geyser]

lmao

[flat wraith]

got me punching holes in my dry wall... damn!!!!

got me looking like

https://tenor.com/view/the-friend-who-like-anything-gif-17239045688991704977

[flat geyser]

i will try to adjust it

er

probably just add a slider

[final wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/chill-guy-chill-guy-just-a-chill-guy-relax-gif-1579445140409713118

[flat wraith]

not enough I want it Gone...........

(kidding)

[flat geyser]

actually

why dont i just

add a transmission mask lol

[flat wraith]

I actually sent this thing to generic earlier cuz it might be useful to him w smth

[flat geyser]

ok there i did a mask

its not as noticeable on the trunk now ig...

siiigh..

@flat wraith can i have more of ur oddball input hehe

this isnt too bad of a difference now is it

i guess i could make it like

completely dark

which works

but i kinda like the subtle light

idk

[flat wraith]

throws rocks at you

[flat wraith]

very slight difference

from like vanilla

[flat geyser]

i feel like its fine

[flat wraith]

looks coole, actually like it bounces off

https://tenor.com/view/kam-edwards-the-friend-who-doesn't-like-anything-the-friend-who-loves-everything-stale-cheeto-happy-gif-950266010967269829

[split cargo]

@flat geyser you could potentially make a transmission mask to make the trunks transmit significantly less light

I still agree with you that it's nice for it to transmit some in order to kinda simulate indirect lighting but I kinda get not liking it

obviously the game is spooky so this should be an optional thing

texture is pretty simple so you could just make a very small (even like 2x2) texture that is point-sampled and that would suffice for a transmission mask

[flat geyser]

i already did a transmission mask

[split cargo]

oh oops you mentioned a mask I thought you just adjusted the slider

sorry

I am running on steam rn

[flat geyser]

uh

maybe i should have amde the texture 2x2

lol

i just kinda

paint bucketed over the texture

[split cargo]

lmao

yeah it wouldn't hurt

[flat geyser]

the whole assetbundle is like

130kb

so

eh

[split cargo]

yeah

not a big deal but it's free money

[flat geyser]

true ig

ill do it in a bit

[split cargo]

plus you don't get sampling issues on the edges of the quadrants if you do point sample

if you didn't yet

my vote would be for the transmission of the trunks to be somewhere around .3 to .5

you could potentially generate the texture in code if you really want to go full config mode lol

but that's a bit excessive

[flat geyser]

fuck that lmao

that would be cool af but i dont wanna do that

and i dont think ppl would care that much anyways

but yea i will improve the transmission mask

feast your eyes on the current one

[split cargo]

beautiful

wait what's the diagonal bit

[flat geyser]

wtf

i didnt even notice that LMAO

i have no idea how that happened

[meager ivy]

am i seeing wrong or is there magenta here

[flat geyser]

it is not magenta

[split cargo]

it's blending the sun color

[meager ivy]

lol ok

[flat geyser]

this is also before i added the mask

[split cargo]

it looks quite different when it's missing the profile

[flat geyser]

so

[meager ivy]

just woke from a nap and my Eyes is wrong

[flat geyser]

real

[meager ivy]

anyways it looks cool

[flat geyser]

it do be working on custom scenes

[meager ivy]

when you get a chance could you share me the source files for the asset bundles

[flat geyser]

yeah after i unfuck the mask

[meager ivy]

ok :-)

[flat geyser]

the steel door too right

[meager ivy]

i will try not to super delay this update

i will probably be bouncing off the walls for a couple more hours now

[flat geyser]

im like fucking around and finding out idk

[meager ivy]

and im done with classes for the semester at this point, so i have a bit of time

[meager ivy]

if you'd please!

[split cargo]

asset bundle can be built from a fresh project prob if you want to just make one and put it in pr with the unity gitignore

[flat geyser]

1a3 also never got back to me so im gonna look into doing a mold patch for chameleon

[split cargo]

should be very smol

[meager ivy]

i will wait on this

to push

but i can work on merging

[flat geyser]

yeah

its possible hes just busy

so

we will see

[split cargo]

as an example here i added a project to RuntimeIcons https://github.com/LethalCompanyModding/RuntimeIcons/commit/9e68058382a290f91d0431017c8e8f8d490dcec3

[flat geyser]

do let me know if you have any concerns or want something changed buttery

or if you just wanna change it yourself thats fine too

[meager ivy]

i might refactor the code a bit because i can be a tad nitpicky

[flat geyser]

that's okay lol

[meager ivy]

or adjust some of the style, at least

but im sure it's all good if it doesnt crash

[flat geyser]

OH

that reminds me

[meager ivy]

i did want to look into doublesidedness with the shader

[flat geyser]

i still need to figure out how to get the steel door fix working on custom interiors

[meager ivy]

if it doesnt require recompilation of the shader

[split cargo]

it do

[meager ivy]

that can probably be done with code to shave an assetbundle

[flat geyser]

it does iirc

[meager ivy]

ahh

[flat geyser]

i tried changing it post runtime and it did nothing

[meager ivy]

nvm then

[meager ivy]

changing the keywords and such?

[flat geyser]

yeah

[split cargo]

keywords in the material are preprocessor defines in shaders

[meager ivy]

unity is weird about keywords *sometimes

[flat geyser]

it was like _DoubleSided or something idk

i forgot

[meager ivy]

icic

probably not then

i would like to adjust the config too

something like "vanilla" and "reduced alpha"

[split cargo]

hum

[meager ivy]

the latter is good for visibility but im weird and kind of like the former

[split cargo]

I wouldn't really call it alpha since it's still opaque

[meager ivy]

oh sorry we're talking about the steel door window fix

[split cargo]

but up to you on naming

oh

I see

[meager ivy]

the glass is onesided in vanilla

Lol

[split cargo]

huh is it not just unlit opaque on everything except exp?

or am I dumb

[meager ivy]

there is a glass window

but the glass only draws on one side

the entrance doors have the glass on the other side

so you cant see it there, inside or outside the building

on randomly generated doors it is inconsistent

[split cargo]

oh huh

I hadn't noticed

[meager ivy]

true for all factories as well as the mineshaft entrance

[meager ivy]

it's one of those things you can go months without noticing but once you do it's hard to unsee

[split cargo]

I believe it lol

there's a lot of stuff like that

like the foliage being pitch black

[flat geyser]

buttery unrelated tangent what would happen if i cloned and instantiated a 2nd fire exit on a scene on load lol?

[meager ivy]

haha yees

[meager ivy]

wdym

[split cargo]

for the longest time I thought that zeekers had used translucency and then I checked it in editor yesterday when I was making it work in Black Mesa and I was so confused

[flat geyser]

like

i wanna give titan a 2nd fire exit but replacing the whole scene for that 1 change seems excessive

i was thinking maybe i could just clone it

and change the coordinates

[meager ivy]

it wont work right if it uses a combined mesh

[flat geyser]

it doesnt

[meager ivy]

you need to swap the mesh to an uncombined one

outside of that, that's personally how i'd do it, yeah

[split cargo]

you have to have LLL if you're going to change the number of exits fyi

not sure if you depend on it yet

[flat geyser]

yeah it relies on it

[meager ivy]

titan could use a couple fire exits TBH

insane it has 1 fire exit and a bigger interior than march + mineshaft chance

idk where i'd place them though

anyways i will get started on merging chameleon stuff "soon"

couple of minutes

hopefully none of the tweaks i make make it hell to re-merge the shroud stuff

but i can resolve any merge conflicts that pop up, if so

[versed hull]

no

[meager ivy]

well, that or you'd have to reimplement the prop count change yourself

LLL just had it pre-included (and rebalancedmoons is using LLL to divert scenes anyhoo)

[versed hull]

you don't need to do that anyway

lll just gets the entrances in the scene

if you add more itll find em

[meager ivy]

yeah, dopadream is talking about adding more fire exits to titan

in rebalancedmoons

[versed hull]

im being a little pedantic

they need lll to do the scene swapping they are doing but you don't need anything from LLL to actually update the fire exit stuff

since it will figure it out regardless

[meager ivy]

yeah but that's only if LLL is installed

and it's a dependency of the mod

so it would be installed

[versed hull]

you are right and i am stupid

[meager ivy]

i dont think zaggy was implying you needed to use an LLL api, just that having it installed did the work to make it work

[split cargo]

nono

LLL looks for the entrance teleports that are set to teleport into the interior

without it, a cloned entrance will be blocked, at least unless something changed that I'm not aware of?

my point was that if you are changing the number of entrance teleports, LLL needs to be present to make the interior count match

not really sure how else to read what I said tbh but

[meager ivy]

yeah

[analog cosmos]

Hello
What's up everyone

[heady hatch]

Any plans to have a TonightWeDine style mod that adds this?

It’d be neat to have the default vanilla moons with improved lighting

[meager ivy]

home of mimcket

[copper rampart]

mimcket?

[copper rampart]

don't think it makes sense that the trunk is lit up

[rapid thicket]

if I remember theres a random cricket thats on that tree on artifice

[copper rampart]

i think the cricket is more down at the fence

[rapid thicket]

mimcket

[copper rampart]

IT HAS AN ACTUAL MODEL???

I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A SOUND EFFECT

[quaint mason]

They reuse the roaming locust model

[heady hatch]

I forgot about that

[meager ivy]

Chameleon 1.3.0 is out everyone

I'd like to give a very gracious thanks to @flat geyser for the legwork on implementing the new features in this update:

• Fancy light diffusion for foliage and Vain Shrouds
• Fixed door models (glass on both sides of the factory door, fixed doorknob faces)

While this update may be small, I am a huge believer in polish like this, so it should be a treat for anybody else who loves the finer details.

I also tweaked the keepers to make them a little snowier and a little less green

[flat geyser]

oh you updated snowy keepers

you never showed me

im curious

[meager ivy]

at the moment I'm not 100% sure how nicely this update will treat modded content, but there shouldn't be any explosive errors, at least. the fixed factory doors will "hopefully" apply to interiors that use the same meshes but I'm not certain yet

[heady hatch]

LET’S GOOOOOO

[final wagon]

One day surely we'll have the Factory and Manor tileset variants

[gaunt yarrow]

where is the mineshaft entrance door

[naive furnace]

👀

Pog

[final wagon]

i know, just replied because i talked about this detail too

Apparently the doors on this game have a lot of problems 😭

[meager ivy]

i was doing something with the manor but i wound up dropping it for a bit

not full blown tile variants (yet) but i thought it was something cool

also i forgot about the darkening door color thing

but i still want to do that

[meager ivy]

somebody was making one but i havent heard back from them in a bit

i think they've been inactive for a couple months

[empty saffron]

add christmas decoration to interior tiles

[final wagon]

I had these notes that i wanted to suggest/organize if there was going to be variants 👍:

• Factory
  -> Tileset Variations

Grey Bricks (Default)

Orange Bricks (Guaranteed in Experimentation, medium chance on Assurance and Offense, low chance in Artifice?)

Moss Bricks (Guaranteed in Vow, March and Adamance)

• Manor
  -> Tileset Variations

Magenta? and Dark Green? (Default)

Orange & Yellow or Brown & Orange (Guaranteed in Experimentation, Assurance and Offense)

Purple and Lime (Variant)

there's more suggestions, but it's too much already, i'll let you cook 🧑‍🍳

[meager ivy]

i dont mind suggestions for color variants

i will probably make them weighted like the mineshaft caverns

on that note

[trim plaza]

Oh that's what tilesets variants meant

Holay molay

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-funny-gif-5669036865497834476

[near badge]

after this recent update i've been unable to explode the water tunnels on mines

just stepping my feet into the water causes my screen to black out, stepping out of it makes it go back to normal

this didn't happen before the update tho

i can try to test out to see if it really chameleon who is doing that

[trim plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/blowing-up-killed-the-toliet-explode-gif-16139362

Imma have to test this too

[near badge]

ok so after trying to reproduce it

it isn't happening anymore

weird

[trim plaza]

Huh

Well thats good, probably

[near badge]

still kinda weird tho

looked at the logs and saw nothing weird pop there too

[meager ivy]

i havent made any changes to gameplay so this definitely isnt chameleon

the only alterations to mines i made were changing materials and i didnt do anything new in 1.3

[flat geyser]

WAUT WTF LOL @meager ivy

WHAT DID U DO

fancy entrance doors are working on my moons???

ohh huh

its only working on titan LMAO

[heady hatch]

pfft

Also, would you say the only "objective" fix in Chameleon is FixDoors?

Or would something like EclipsesBlockMusic (or some of the other more tweaky changes) be considered a fix as well

[flat geyser]

honestly id say the snowy rocks would be considered a fix too

zeekerss did include snowy variations of the rocks

but they dont generate normally

[heady hatch]

Oh, really?

I didn’t know that

[meager ivy]

zeekerss* has pre-placed boulders that are white on rend

but the randomly generating boulders are not set up

i would argue foliage using foliage diffusion in HDRP is an objective fix

the doors are objectively fixed

you can argue stormy gordion and rainy march are "objective fixes" because they are indicated as such in the text that wasn't removed from the game

but rend and dine use identical text (and were basically identical clones of each other in the initial release of the game) so i dunno

[dense canyon]

Idk if sound design would really fall under the same category as the stuff that this mod does since it focuses on more visual stuff but I’d kinda like to see a more immersive thunder effect, like more realistic thunder sounds or an added delay depending on the distance between you and the lightning strike. Maybe there’s low muffled thunder while inside idk

It’d be an odd thing to add but I think it’d be a little neat

[meager ivy]

i actually would like to add indoor storm ambience

and blizzard ambience

it's on my backlog

just no ETA

[dense canyon]

nice

[acoustic bolt]

Btw since you're here are your Snowy Shrouds supposed to look so strange with FancyShrouds enabled? I noticed normal vain shrouds don't seem to be affected as much but I think I prefer how yours look with the option off lol

Cus they become very bright

XD

[flat geyser]

hm

can i get a screenshot tbh

i didnt get to test this feature because buttery pushed it before i could build it

i think i could add a check for the shader and then make it less transmissive to fix it being too bright

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah trying to find when we were on Summit lol

Lmao

[flat geyser]

eh?

idk i need to look for myself

ill brb

[flat geyser]

..im not gonna lie that looks perfectly fine to me

but idk

[acoustic bolt]

Maybe it's the lighting on Summit?

on Summit it looks really bad with fancy shrouds on

[flat geyser]

It could absolutely be that. it allows light to pass and spread through the texture

so lighting would affect it

[acoustic bolt]

What is the red text in the one ss btw?

[flat geyser]

im gonna download summit and do some tests

[wild fox]

imperium gizmo

when and where an enemy spawns outside

[flat geyser]

@acoustic bolt just curious, do you use the spawn on all moons option in yesfox?

just asking because i wasnt even getting vain shrouds on summit until i did that

anyways it looks fine to me tbh idk

jeez rosiepies is really good at level design

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah I do

[heady hatch]

So the the only objective fixes (outside of the weather inconsistencies) are Fancy foliage, Recolor random rocks, and Fix doors?

[analog cosmos]

Hello
My name is Manan
I am From India
In 7th Grade
I will be 14 in 6 months

[hallow echo]

What are the known incompats with various settings?

[flat geyser]

Fancy exterior doors do not work on rebalanced moons

at least, not entirely

it works on titan for some reason but only titan

[hallow echo]

that makes sense

[flat geyser]

because i didnt move the entrance

yeah

[hallow echo]

it is not the same moon and he seems to do it manually

[flat geyser]

who?

[hallow echo]

butter

[flat geyser]

oh her

i was confusion

[hallow echo]

oh I never saw her pronouns oops I thought the pfp was aperson

[meager ivy]

yes, i have to manually do it because the doors never have the same gameobject path or positioning

only vanilla levels support it

[meager ivy]

this doesnt make sense to me either but w/e

anyways i am not aware of any other incompatibilities

[flat geyser]

i cannot explain this

lol

[meager ivy]

iirc chameleon uses the name of the scene

Scene8Titan

to identify what level was landed on

[hallow echo]

does the march rain go through the ship?

[wild fox]

no

[hallow echo]

ok so that may be a bug with the 2 story ship mod

stormy gordion doesn't clip it

[mental crystal]

Why is there railing on that side of titan?

[flat geyser]

its from my mod #1308174824505479290

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1308174824505479290/1314906081830506526/MedalTVLethalCompany20241207043134-1733567863.mp4?ex=6758c4f7&is=67577377&hm=44cc332cc3dd7fb5a18a3ffda5f24ba078efa8045d3b85993c984d3858b5d408&

it goes here

the Evil fire exit

[mental crystal]

Oh nice

I didn’t know rebalanced moons did that

Although it’s been a while since I’ve checked the page

Always thought titan needs more fire exits. It’s mentioned that entrances are littered around the landscape and it’s just two next to each other

[trim plaza]

I'm having that too, I think it started when I downloaded weather tweaks experimental, which is fair enough

Or rather, it's just rainy weather that goes through the ship

[meager ivy]

the fake rainy weather on march is the exact same gameobject as normal rain

i just enable it independently rather than using the game's weather script to assign rainy weather

any bugs exhibited by rainy march would be exhibited by rainy weather in general

[hallow echo]

weird, wonder why the gordion stormy rain isn't buggy'

[meager ivy]

same is true for stormy gordion

i just force enable the stormy weather object

i just dont enable the gameobject with the script that spawns lightning bolts

[final wagon]

Idk how far this suggestion is, but the logs from Embrion says that "Embrion is devoid of biological life", which is quite inconsistent because in-game it spawns creature as any other moon. I'm not saying that creatures shouldn't spawn ,as it states in the logs that "There are theories that a diverse geothermal ecosystem may be thriving within a vast cave network under Embrion's surface.", which implies that creatures could exist in the interior. But the surface shouldn't spawn creatures like Manticoil, Eyeless Dog, Forest Keepers or Earth Leviathan cuz it's schorchingly hot.

I could see someone dying to a Earth Leviathan, but that's very rare because there are like 20 old birds outside ready to destroy anyone that pulls the apparatus... Eyeless dogs and forest keepers just doesn't make sense, they spawn and die instantly 💀

[mental crystal]

Buttery said she wants the mod to say client sided. 90% sure editing spawn rates isn’t host only.

You can do this with LLL. Which is what I’ve done for my modpack actually.

[meager ivy]

correct, monster spawning is host sided

i believe the implication of the message is the surface is devoid of biological life, largely because of the impact of old birds exterminating that biological life

enemies spawn deep underground and sometimes emerge to the surface (only to be completely destroyed by the old birds)

[mental crystal]

Multicellular creatures probably couldn’t live in the surface, like the interiors, because of no breathable air and intense heat.

I removed all spawning except old birds. But the moon is kinda boring in comparison to others

Might try and change it since we never visit it but not sure what to do

[rapid thicket]

yeah, another thing with that is other mods such as lethal quantities allow you to edit anything with spawn rates on moons so using something such as that would not only allow you to make it so only old birds are on embrion's surface but also have more customizability options in general (not just enemy spawnrates) so I would recommend using a mod of that nature

[flat geyser]

this is how i interpret it and also why i did not disable them on my rebalanced moons

they visibly emerge from the ground when spawning. so like

it lines up

i think the only true error was maybe vain shrouds spawning and manta coils if they lack the ability to dig lore wise

[rapid thicket]

another thing is its just more fun to see the old birds going on rampages and killing stuff

it really makes it feel like some sort of war is going on

[meager ivy]

manticoils never spawned on embrion

[flat geyser]

oh alright

then there you go

just vain shrouds

[meager ivy]

they were in the daytime spawn list but embrion didn't spawn any daytime enemies

[rapid thicket]

they did in the beta I believe?

[meager ivy]

and then they were completely removed from the spawnlist in i believe v56 but dont quote me on that

[final wagon]

I believe I already saw manticoil on embrion?

Ah

[rapid thicket]

same

[meager ivy]

vain shrouds are the only biological life that i think feels truly out of place on embrion

[rapid thicket]

yeah

[final wagon]

I think I get it

[meager ivy]

but it does demonstrate kidnapper foxes hiding from old birds which is kind of a cool mechanic

[final wagon]

Then...

[meager ivy]

and also it's a complete non-issue now that shrouds have stopped existing anyway

[rapid thicket]

indeed

[flat geyser]

yesfox however makes them once again spawn on embrion

it is a good thing i changed that smiley face

[final wagon]

Could we have amethyst/purple variants from then? XD

[heady hatch]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Traveller/NoOrganicLife/

It’s configurable too

[final wagon]

the problem with this mod is that it disables organic life in the interior and only allows enabling blobs, coil heads, nutcrackers and jester

it work outside, but i don't like the changes inside

[heady hatch]

Valid

[final wagon]

also, biological life is kinda vague now that i think about it, the clipboard scanner page states that red is "biological matter". This could imply that landmines, turrets and spike traps could be biological life. The masks are considered scrap, but can possess players and the maskeds aren't labeled as biological matter

btw it should be like this, is this fixable?

[trim plaza]

I think that's an oversight by the dev lowkey, I've never seen a yellow scan

I see you changed it in the second pic whoopsie daisy

[rapid thicket]

for me I just saw it as the company not fucking caring

like the manual just hasn't been updated

[meager ivy]

it bothers me a little bit but i am probably not going to bother fixing it

there are some other discrepancies

like how it says the dropship can deliver 30lbs worth of items in bulk at once

except in the full game the dropship has no weight limit

and is instead limited to a flat 12 items at once

[trim plaza]

Then there's the whole ass truck lol

[neon owl]

i mean there's a reason the cruiser jingle is so distorted

[glossy light]

I think he mixed up the scanner and the map. Because the map has all of those colors symbolizing the things the text says.

Or, maybe he changed it.

[mental crystal]

I know what LQ can do and honestly I would use half of the features on there.
I just haven’t yet for some reason

Haven’t felt a strong need to when most of the moons are alright how they are

[empty saffron]

i use it mostly to change interior values

[serene lark]

I think it should be noted that information provided by each moon isn't always reliable.

For example, Rend and Dine's info says it's "highly unlikely for complex life to exist" there.

Yet that's clearly not true.

Also there's other quirks such as Experimentation having a hazard rating of "B" when it's clearly safer than that.

[flat wraith]

I'd say that's probably just (in and out of universe) outdated info

[final wagon]

That's a valid point, in-game it's currently 2532 and the Terminal belongs to Halden Electronics, which the copyright dates in 2084-2108... Sigurds Logs are from 1968. Information in LC is kinda outdated, the company doesn't really care

[mental crystal]

The autopilot ship clearly does automatically update some information. Such as referencing the scientific logs for old birds, which don’t have a log written by Sigurd.

[final wagon]

We don't know if it was updated by the Company or other crews that came after Sigurd

[mental crystal]

That’s true

[copper rampart]

it's probably just data taken from a database somewhere

[flat geyser]

The logs you find are tape recorders

So that adds up IMO

the company terminal just seems to somehow translate it to a virtual log

[final wagon]

Yeah, but the "first log" isn't

And it was written by Sigurd before all other logs

[flat geyser]

could have been uploaded by someone else

its a stretch but its possible

[final wagon]

Maybe, but the point isn't exactly that. It's a time gap of more than 500 years... Most of the information we have on the terminal was documented long ago. This means that it's okay to have some inconsistencies, things change in 500 years

Even the technology the ship has, which is already bad, could be worse before, the bestiary remaining through the passage of time is strange, as it was mostly made by Sigurd. The terminal may have just been recycled by Halden Electronics

[meager ivy]

well the amount of typos in the work + sigurd mentioning the keyboard would suggest the logs were typed out initially

[flat geyser]

uhhh

idk Lol

its stolen then

[flat wraith]

the terminal prolly just has a record feature where you can write data onto those tape-lookin objects and someone at some point just scattered those logs around so the company wouldn't catch on

they were prolly written in the terminal, remained there until sigurd died/disappeared and then were backed up on those tapes, deleted from the terminal and scattered around by his brother

cuz he has a brother, right? or did I make that up

[mental crystal]

Yeah Desmond

I obsess over lore in games I like way too much.

[mental crystal]

There was this theory that Sigurd died to the little girl? I can’t remember much about it but he was mentioning seeing Richard in the distance in some of the later logs even though Richard had died

The logs don’t otherwise mention anything about his death or disappearance or anything. But the last one is written by Desmond so you’re probably right

[flat wraith]

probably a masked?

or masked hornets controlling his body

could also be a ghost tho

[mental crystal]

I think it was multiple occasions

Could be him finally losing it

[meager ivy]

the wiki claims desmond is his brother for some reason which is a completely unfounded assumption

so you didn't make it up, but you learned it from someone who did make it up

¯_(ツ)_/¯

anyways the final log ||titled "Desmond" is written by Desmond instead of Sigurd, and he mentions encrypting and hiding the logs so the company doesn't find them||, so that much is confirmed

i believe the implication is probably ||that something happened to sigurd and something worse is about to happen to the rest of the crew, so desmond hides everything in a last ditch effort to keep the information from being lost forever||

[final wagon]

yo lore discussion?

idk where you saw Desmond is Sigurd's brother, but i never saw anything like that

[final wagon]

actually the terminal doesn't have those features, it was Desmond who added the log feature and probably the bestiary too. Sigurd actually had a journal to keep those info (First Log)

[mental crystal]

I’d imagine the bestiary is a built in part of the terminal since when you scan a monster your visor notifies you that new creature data was sent to the terminal. The terminal also seems to fill in bestiary’s with information sourced from scientific records, even if Sigurd wasn’t around at the time like for the old birds. There’s no typos or mistakes in most of the bestiary logs and in the butler bestiary he mentions “There’s no scientific record so I’m writing my own” so it leads me to believe Sigurd is only editing most of them and writing his own for entities which aren’t commonly known in scientific records, like the jester and butler.
Sourcing information to the terminal from scientific records and adding a new function to the scanner and the visor seems a bit more complicated than a simple logs system.

[flat wraith]

maybe when he spoke about his dad he said "our dad" or smth

[flat wraith]

probably some theory on yt yea

[flat wraith]

well I'm trying to explain why the logs are vhs tapes lol

just making shit up lole

[meager ivy]

this is not the case in any of the logs

all of them just say "dad" with no possessive pronouns

like a nickname

[flat wraith]

doesn't take away from the possibility of the logs being burned onto physical tapes and scattered for some other crew in the future to find or smth

[flat wraith]

damn ppl really be making shit up then huh

[meager ivy]

lol

yea

it is super bizarre

[flat wraith]

I remember Pyrocynical calling Desmond Sigurd's brother in his video so maybe it started from there

mandela effect ass

[topaz peak]

mandela is my second name

[flat wraith]

Milka Mandela Koahatic

[topaz peak]

wow name leaking reported hello?

[flat wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/speech-bubble-clinger-terraria-corruption-gif-2186250550781257931

[mental crystal]

To be frankly honest in the logs they seem fairly close despite (presumably) not having known each other for long, so I can imagine they’re siblings.

[final wagon]

but that was the purpose of the logs being scattered, the system would wipe them if they're kept

[flat wraith]

....yes, all I'm saying is the terminal probably has a slot to insert vhs or some other format similar to it

[final wagon]

idk where we're going anymore

how's the progress going on the interior variants

[trim plaza]

I forgot that was gonna be a thing

Sounds swag

[final wagon]

i also suggested something long ago but it was probably forgotten

could we have scrap variants

like

-> Toy Cube (Solved and Unsolved)
-> Metal Sheet (Rusted and Clean)
-> Plastic Cup (Different colors)
-> Hairbrush (Different colors)
-> Candy (Different colors, including a rainbow one)

things like that

[flat geyser]

I always in the back of my mind wish to suggest to buttery to expand UpturnedVariety to just add more scrap variations like that

but its just scope creep

and would probably warrant a different plugin at that point

maybe one i should consider making

[meager ivy]

i'd prefer scrap variants to be a separate mod

but it would be cool

[meager ivy]

i havent worked on lethal company stuff in a little bit

i had a rough 2 weeks of school and i've been working on mod projects for a different game here most recently

next time im back to work on chameleon i'd like to add:

• blizzard/storm ambience inside the building
• door light fades to black over the course of the day
• something special for the manors (again, not full blown tile variants yet)

and no guarantee on this yet but I also wanted to look into having weather in the entrance room of factories

rain and snow

other longterm goals are LLL autocompat with tags

which has been on the backburner since forever

and I'd like to add a way for custom moon authors to make custom mineshafts

like the cheese moon and bee moon

[final wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-hyppy-gif-9091438043443803258

Take your time, that's too much work

slow and steady

[rapid thicket]

I'm excited for these!

[acoustic bolt]

@meager ivy Any idea what caused this?

Oh I'm guessing V69 broke the fix doors function

[flat geyser]

???

wtf

that makes zero sense

[final wagon]

Now we need a 10% chance of a snowman having a top hat or santa hat or scarf

[meager ivy]

there is no way

im not sure how this happened exactly but i will take a look into it

my guess is that a custom map broke it

but i tried to write the functionality to be pretty stable

the only way i could see this happening is if there is a renderer in the custom map named "doormesh" that has null materials inside its array

[lament cape]

if you don't mind the Ping, would be you willing to give insight on what Chameleon is specifically looking for when converting Doors based on Interiors? An update I've made to my moons recently has broken compatibility with Chameleon, fatally so in some cases it seems @meager ivy

[meager ivy]

any objects named "doormesh" need to not have null references in their material array

i can add a safeguard to prevent fatal crashes but TBH im not sure why you would need to have null materials to begin with

[fathom lava]

OK so I wasn't going insane, I thought that during my group's session right after v69 came out doors suddenly broke

they were entirely missing on several custom moons

[lament cape]

I checked the moon this happened on, and there are no doors with null references in their material array

Is it checking for Interior doors as well?

[meager ivy]

yes, after the dungeon generates, it changes materials on all renderers named "doormesh"

with a couple of criteria

i can take a look if you are confident that is not the case

i might have missed somethinng

[lament cape]

This was the setup for the moons main entrance door

[meager ivy]

im not sure

[lament cape]

The doors in the interior are also called DoorMesh but have no renderer attached

[meager ivy]

that shouldn't cause issues, because they wouldnt come up in the FindObjectsOfType<Renderer>() call

[quaint mason]

You sure?

I remember during the v50 beta that they did

[lament cape]

Problem solved

[meager ivy]

yes, that would do it

[lament cape]

Mystery Solved, Rather

lol

[meager ivy]

you can just assign materials

to fix it

but more likely i will just need to put out a patch out for chameleon to be more safe

with modded moons

[lament cape]

those extra door meshes shouldn't be there anymore

[meager ivy]

fixed the shininess behind the entrance doors

Lol

[heady hatch]

pfft

[flat geyser]

next chameleon patch should have new options for fog denoising, left is vanilla, right is after

unfortunately we're getting technical difficulties with getting this working on buttery's end

for some reason it just. Isn't working on her computer

but it works fine on mine

idk why

[meager ivy]

we (and by "we" i mean "dopadream") have figured out that it works only when imperium is enabled

so there is some sort of change to the rendering path that imperium is making that chameleon is managing to piggyback off of

[flat geyser]

i was considering just uh

asking

😭

or looking through their code

[flat geyser]

wait its a path issue?

r u sure?

[meager ivy]

zeekerss overrides reprojection to disable it on basically all of the cameras individually

so

it looks like i can flip a switch and make it work

for each camera

we did find out there is a "moderately unpleasant trail effect" on flashlight beams if you enable fancier fog

which doesn't seem avoidable without dropping reprojection denoising and going back to gaussian (which is what vanilla uses, and what looks so grainy)

so it will be disabled by default

and maybe not everyone's cup of tea

but it looks great for stills, and environments where lighting is mostly static

so far flashlights are the only situation we've seen that looks weird

[quaint mason]

This is peak

This combined /w LCUltrawide Community will be great

[meager ivy]

Yes

[silent lava]

Does this heavily affect performance?

Heavily as in "will this work on a potato pc"

[meager ivy]

i dont know but it seems fine for me

it's disabled by default anyhow

[slate cosmos]

Would like to see the flashlight comparison.

[final wagon]

For starters, a real potato pc doesn't even support the fog (like mine 😭)

I hope it doesn't affect LP patch to disable fog on unsupported hardware

[flat geyser]

it shouldn't

in fact it wont im sure

[meager ivy]

worst case, it wont touch anything if you turn off the setting, so

[versed hull]

port to urp mod when

[flat geyser]

i wish Lol

[versed hull]

Surely it's not too fucked

legally it's probably awful but

Like by nature it's not like networking directly touches any hdrp references

so that's not a problem

[flat geyser]

how would u even approach something like that?? wouldnt u have to make an entirely different built client

thats like way beyond my understanding

[versed hull]

more or less i think

[split cargo]

would have to also redo all the shaders and somehow translate whatever shaders mods use, no?

[flat geyser]

mmm

something like aggressive material fix ??

for the latter i mean

[split cargo]

for some that would work, but there are plenty of custom shader graphs out there at this point too

[acoustic bolt]

@meager ivy Dunno if you're interested in fixing some visual issues but this area on Titan really bothers me

I don't remember it always looking like that either

[meager ivy]

?

[acoustic bolt]

They're walls next to main, the texture is incredibly stretched

a great example

[meager ivy]

ah

[acoustic bolt]

Other side of the wall is fine

But you can see it blatantly when you climb up the ladder

lol

I swear it used to not be like that so guessing Zeek broke it at some point

[meager ivy]

i would have to redo the UVs for the mesh which is kind of a lot of work to be selectively applying across the game

also i dont think he's touched the giant factory mesh in any of the updates but i haven't really paid too much attention to this spot either

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah it's possible it was just more noticeable due to Mrov's Blackout weather

[flat geyser]

i wanted to fix this in rebalancedmoons but i was lazy

[acoustic bolt]

I like the idea of Rebalanced Moons but not too fond of how it changes the core identity of some moons

[flat geyser]

that's ok

i just made it because i was tired of some moons being kinda bad

its heavily subjective

[acoustic bolt]

Yeah

[flat geyser]

like it does turn titan into a tier 3 march from being

uh

idk whatever titan is supposed to be

so i can agree it changes a lot of core identity stuff with some moons

or like offense having an actually accessible fire exit

[quaint mason]

Imo most moons just need to not have their facilities be concrete slabs stolen straight outta' ancient Egypt

[flat geyser]

lmao

[quaint mason]

(Embrion and Shartifice)

[flat geyser]

i kinda agree

esp with artifice

[acoustic bolt]

How dare you hate on Artifice

[flat geyser]

the main building is so ugly 😭

[quaint mason]

Artifice's facility is disappointing I'm sorry

On day 1 when I first played it, I was like, "Why??"

Couldn't you have put a little more effort into it?

[acoustic bolt]

Artifice without Artifice Blizzard is kinda ugly as a whole

[meager ivy]

i actually really love the weird concrete buildings and how "nothing" they feel

[acoustic bolt]

and Quicksand is damn near invisible

[meager ivy]

i know it is an unpopular opinion but artifice having a prettier map would actually ruin the atmosphere of that place a bit for me

[quaint mason]

Imo it lacks too much detail, and plus, it's same model reused over and over again

[meager ivy]

i wouldnt say the same for rend and dine though

[flat geyser]

i just wish they were a little more interesting from an architectural stance

it feels kinda bland

idk

seeing the same building over and over

[meager ivy]

i think rend and dine (especially rend) would benefit a bit from dressing up the building

[quaint mason]

A different layout, or more grit/detail to the facility would make it look better while also remainng soulless

[meager ivy]

it becomes abundantly clear it is a reused asset if you ever take note of the weird shape of the building

because it's just the backface of the assurance factory (which was reused on pretty much every map except vow, march, titan, and adamance)

[flat geyser]

idk how i could improve the buildings

but i have the ability to easily

just no ideas

blanca if you wanna make fucking building concepts i would gladly work with you Lol

[quaint mason]

Keeping them brutalist would be a good thing to keep in mind, Zeekerss himself (The way I interpret it) said after all that these places are only reminiscent of humanity really

[flat geyser]

yaya

[meager ivy]

anyways there's just something so lonely and unsettling about the reused building assets

to me

[quaint mason]

Sure

[meager ivy]

like the fact it's blatantly reused and kind of ugly adds to the mystique and positively contributes to the feel of exploring there

[quaint mason]

Def doing Artifice and Embrion first

[meager ivy]

it is the weirdest feeling and i dont think im really describing it how i'd like to

[wild fox]

Shoutout to the real ones who know how to reach it vanilla no items

[flat geyser]

oh yea u can do some weird rat shit

with like

climbing up the scaffolding to the pole

or up the rock i think? idk it wasnt working for me last i tried

[wild fox]

oh thhat

yeah iwas thinking about the rock

i forgot about the jumping off the ship thing

[flat geyser]

does rock tech still work even

oh i wasnt talking abt that

u can climb up the support beams that hold up the pipe

its difficult but doable

[quaint mason]

Hm

Same layout, different grit and details?

[flat geyser]

they're entirely different exomoons though like

i feel like

they would have to be at least somewhat different

[quaint mason]

Would that help keep the feeling, but you'd still be able to tell they're different buildings?

[meager ivy]

well im not talking about in universe

[flat geyser]

oh

[meager ivy]

like

even the "meta sense" that those buildings are reused assets

from my perspective as a player

makes those spaces way more inticing to me

[flat geyser]

i still confidently think i could make them a bit more interesting without ruining the vibe

[meager ivy]

like i was saying it is a bizarre feeling i can't explain

[flat geyser]

i wanted to put a satellite dish or something and spruce up the 2nd fire exit on dine

[quaint mason]

Wtf

My Dine is canonically a telecommunications center

[flat geyser]

the ladder one

[quaint mason]

That's coincidentally perfect LMAO

[flat geyser]

oh that's cute lol

[quaint mason]

Unrelated, but I've always thought that it was weird that ppl think of LC's moons as purely just the sector we land in

I don't see much discussion outside of their sectors, like what could potentially be out there

[flat geyser]

i assumed it was a whole lot of nothing tbh

[quaint mason]

These are like, huge celestial bodies, there are for sure other human landmarks somewhere else on them

[flat geyser]

but idk how "canon" the skyboxes are

like

the fucking streetview skyboxes

[wild fox]

so canon they're real

[flat geyser]

do u think he deliberately chose them

or nah

[quaint mason]

Probably tbh

Hold on

[versed hull]

lack of skybox variety is lowkey the biggest missed sauce visually imo

[quaint mason]

Did v4 Experimentation use it

[flat geyser]

true

[quaint mason]

If so, it's probably canon

Considering Experimentation looks to be a worksite. Like, not finished

[flat geyser]

lowkey wanna do some more interesting skyboxes

that arent like

fuckin streetview images

but idk if that was intentional

[versed hull]

would be cool to streetview them but from different places in the world that match

[flat geyser]

hm

yeah

[quaint mason]

It'd be awesome if you could see the Milky Way at night, or at least whatever galaxy these moons are in

Considering there's no light pollution on these moons due to their abandonment, and generally seem to lack light at all on the outside aside from the ice moons

Not sure if it'd break the cartoony aesthetic though considering how realistic it'd look

[flat geyser]

i mean the skies literally are already irl images

im sure its fine

[quaint mason]

I guess

[flat geyser]

the clouds are super detailed too

ive noticed the game just does use a lot of real images for textures

hives, butler teeth, etc

[quaint mason]

Butler TEETH??

[flat geyser]

yes

[quaint mason]

So I WASN'T seeing things??

[flat geyser]

butler have teeth and the texture is kind of fucking scary

[quaint mason]

Send?

(Spoiler it ofc)

[quaint mason]

How would you even see them anyway?

Where are they shown?

[flat geyser]

idk they show on the mouth when they're aggrod

its kinda subtle

[quaint mason]

Oh that's fucking creepy wth

[flat geyser]

you only see the top set of teeth iirc

[quaint mason]

As if the butlers weren't terrifying enough, jesus christ

I love how one of the most grim-looking Lethal Company entities was born from this concept art...

[trim plaza]

That's so silly

Butlers were a very interesting addition, honestly never saw it coming

[mental crystal]

That got patched in v60 sadly

[serene lark]

I kinda get it.

I don't know if I view it the same way but it's like a sense of soullessness the buildings give off

which kinda adds to the uncanniness to them.

[mental crystal]

I’ve never had an issue with the big concrete slabs, my brain just kinda ignores it and focuses on anything more interesting.
Although it’d be nice if places like rend had a mansion exterior.

[serene lark]

And the fact that buildings are shaped the same way makes it seem very corporate driven, like these factory/mineshaft/mansion installations are scattered in mass among the moons.

[rapid thicket]

YES

[final wagon]

I was taking a look at the moons main entrances to give a opinion and ended up founding this 😅

[rapid thicket]

oh

[final wagon]

guess it's always rendered even without the dropship

I'll have to disagree with the moons having to look boring to make them good, most moons doesn't actually look that boring on close inspection

Experimentation is by far the best looking moon in the game, with both main entrance, main exit and roof decorated

Embrion is the worst of course, but it's expected as it's purposely the worst moon

Assurance and Offense are similar, they do have they charm, kinda mid

Vow is a bit more lively, cool main entrance and roof, the fire exit is at a bridge instead of a concrete block. Forgot to take the print of the painted art on the alley too

[rapid thicket]

vow is quite good

its probably what at lot of buildings should look like

I think on assurance and offense the buildings work as concrete slabs

[final wagon]

March is a bunker, it's different from every other building and i kinda like that, a bunker should be discreet rather than flashy

[rapid thicket]

yeah

also you have the many fire exits there

so its not hard to find a way into the facility

adamance is a little better than concrete slab

[silent lava]

march is a mess though

never know where I am when I exit trough a fire exit

[final wagon]

Titan is cool as hell, it's like seeing a fortress, but it's a giant factory. The area around the main entrance is great with the fire exit seperated by a yoctometer

[rapid thicket]

yeah titan is probably my 2nd favorite

[final wagon]

Shoutout to dine for being the 2º worst moon with the 2º worst main entrance decoration and 2º best fire exit decoration lol

On close inspection again, idk if embrion have a bad looking main entrance

I prefer dine tiny main entrance than this giant block of concrete with a door

[mental crystal]

Artifice should have a warehouse for main entrance ngl

Would fit with the garages

[final wagon]

agree, artifice should be a warehouse and Rend should be a mansion (literally the map with higher chance to spawn a manor interior)

[mental crystal]

Rend isn’t too bad since it’s obstructed by the snow

[final wagon]

rend is kinda bad if you compare to the rest

[mental crystal]

It has thick snow fortunately

So you can’t see the ugly building

But it should have a mansion exterior, like the modded moon “solace”

[final wagon]

forgot to send Adamance, it's mid

it's the giant block of concrete with a roof

[mental crystal]

It’s better than the other concrete blocks

[final wagon]

in the end, the buildings need a roof

[mental crystal]

I have adamance set as mansion moon

I highly recommend it

Only issue is it looks a bit weird not seeing a mansion outside

Atleast with rend it’s got thick snow

But it makes a lot of sense. Adamance has a cabin like rend does. Rend was once a forest moon before its star died.

[final wagon]

the tier list in my opinion would be something like:

S tier: Experimentation, Titan
A tier: Vow, March
B tier: Adamance, Dine
C tier: Assurance, Offense
D tier: Rend
E tier: Artifice
F tier: Embrion

[final wagon]

conclusion

[final wagon]

i don't play on modded moons, what does solace looks like

[mental crystal]

Very beautiful moon, but the main point I’m mentioning is the building

[rapid thicket]

I think embrion is fine, at most maybe it could have something like the cooling tower from vow

the rest I generally agree with

[final wagon]

Embrion doesn't need a change, he was purposely made to be devoid of life in every way

[rapid thicket]

yeah

one of my favorite things about embrion is that the facility doesn't even have a ladder

[final wagon]

i prefer going on the fire exit because it's safer

this_is_fine

[meager ivy]

i wasnt saying "they have to look boring to look good"

in fact i agree that experimentation, titan, and vow are some of the best looking maps in the game because of how sprawling and detailed their factory buildings are

but i still think that the unassuming appearance of many of the endgame buildings adds to their charm, and it would be a downgrade, in my eyes, for them to be redesigned because it would kind of spoil the soul

i still don't feel like im using the right words

[final wagon]

they have to glow down?

[meager ivy]

also yeah the dropship star always renders in the sky during the holidays

i fixed this in snowyholidaydropship

crossplug

[final wagon]

but i'm using snowyholidaydropship 😅

[meager ivy]

oh right

yeah dopadream let me know that it still shows up in orbit at the start of the game

i forgot i never put out the hotfix for that

i should go do that

[final wagon]

no worries

[meager ivy]

it disappears if you order items and let the ship take off

tho

[final wagon]

imagine if the sky at night in LC had stars ⭐

[final wagon]

Rend and Dine are still acceptable because the fog blocks the player vision, but Artifice is just ugly as hell ngl

i wish it was better looking

[meager ivy]

rend is the only map where i think i'd like for the building to be replaced

it's kind of the big manor introduction map

not that you'd get that impression at all from the exterior

i like how mundane and uncanny artifice is

combined with the auditory ambience

it's already kind of a breathtaking view when you land because you've gotten so used to frozen wastelands

and then there's a dying forest with warehouses, a makeshift hospital, offices

[final wagon]

rend having a mansion exterior is hype 🔥

we just have different views on Artifice... It is what it is, i hope liquidation isn't another concrete block with a door underwater

[rapid thicket]

I think you might have better chances asking for the redesigned exteriors in Rebalanced Moons

[meager ivy]

i think it was more just a discussion than a feature request for chameleon

that being said, if it is a feature request, i will go ahead and give it a hard "no"

redesigning exterior buildings is kinda outside of the scope of a client mod anyway

but as far as subjectivity goes i think it is just too subjective

even if a lot of chameleon's features wind up being kind of subjective anyway

[final wagon]

it was indeed a discussion, i know that it's out of scope a exterior change in Chameleon

but it would be cool if dopadream redesigned some of those buildings 😇

[rapid thicket]

I had not realised

[flat wraith]

agreed so hard

[flat wraith]

nah but I feel the exact same lol

[flat wraith]

they do the icecube lip thing

that like, snarling face

[flat wraith]

artifice's entrance most likely looks like it does because it was originally going to be a snow moon

so any details would get covered by the fog and stuff

[flat geyser]

would also like to note artifice still uses the snowy fog preset in vanilla

part of me feels like this was an oversight after he made the moon not snowy

but it could be an aesthetic choice

im not sure

[meager ivy]

i wasn't aware of this

im pretty sure artifice blizzard replaces the preset with the snowy fog preset anyway

im curious how it would look swapped back

sorry for lack of progress folks, updating process has been slow (and energy sorta low)

i think it will be ready soon

lots of fun stuff so hopefully you will find something you like

[heady hatch]

Take as long as you need

[fathom lava]

So the fog on vanilla artifice is technically "wrong"?

[meager ivy]

it's wrong if zeekerss intended it to use the normal volume and not the snowy one

changes how fog and the sky look

but if i had to guess, it's not "wrong" by nature of zeekerss never changing it himself

after he decided to make artifice no longer a blizzard moon, he redesigned the visuals and probably evaluated its current appearance as one that he is happy with

regardless of if it is technically correct

[flat geyser]

probably bad ngl

artifice has a really gloomy vibe

i feel like a lighter skybox wouldnt help, esp considering its that same fucking ugly cedar bridge skybox

[bleak fog]

This mod is crazy, it legitimately feels weird going back to vanilla after having this mod installed. Keep up the work Stancakes, I look forward to what is next

[meager ivy]

ran into a very bizarre and frustrating bug testing this latest feature

i have a workaround for it but it's just frankly bizarre

never seen an issue like it

one feature left

i think v1.4.0 can be ready as my late holiday gift for everyone

'suppose

unless i was like, a tarantula owner, i don't think i'd like getting bugs for christmas

so hopefully nobody holds it against me if there's some stuff out of whack

i've added a bunch of stuff and done a fair bit of sanity-checking, but i never know what to expect until it's out in the wild

[flat geyser]

are tarantulas really bugs though 🤔

[meager ivy]

weell they probably eat em

[split cargo]

it's me I'm the bug enjoyer

[flat geyser]

oh fr thats true

u got me there

[meager ivy]

kinda lied because i decided last minute i wanted to expand on the feature i just finished

lol

[bleak fog]

This is a a small thing, but could the rain effect on March be visually different than the weather? I know it is only cosmetic and March cannot have rainy weather, but being able to tell in-game that this is only cosmetic rain would be cool (and is good design imo). Maybe the rain could be lighter (less frequent raindrops) or the sky clearer, both showing this is not a proper storm

[meager ivy]

for now i'll say "maybe"

march already has natural quicksand so imo the default rain isn't really out of place

and right now it just takes the simplest possible approach of enabling the existing rain effects from vanilla, rather than defining custom stuff

[bleak fog]

Well yeah

I am very detail oriented though so I noticed that

I could imagine people thinking their terminal bugged and said the wrong weather, or are falsely paranoid of quicksand

[flat geyser]

wouldn't you need to register a new weather type 4 this

[meager ivy]

no, the way im enabling the rainy object, im already doing some hacky bullshit anyway

it'd be "fine"

[trim plaza]

I hate bizarre problems, always alone in them 😔

Like my challenge moon, which I could turn into a running joke atp

[meager ivy]

kinda

it looks even weirder from the other direction

it's just unsettlingly lively

[serene lark]

I think that looks fine

[meager ivy]

well, it'll be a config setting, so you're in luck

i definitely wont be enabling it by default though

it's a different vibe, not a definitive "improvement"

i did fix titan's volume as well (and that one is enabled by default)

[serene lark]

I don't have Unity up right now but does Artfice's "snowy" fog use a snowy color?

[meager ivy]

no

none of the maps do

[serene lark]

Ah okay

[meager ivy]

rend, dine, titan, and artifice all use neutral gray fog

it's the exact same object for all 4 except with different densities

rend is 3.7, dine 8, titan 5, and artifice 25

i think all of the pre-rend planets use a sort of blue color

except adamance is green

the more i look at it, the more it grows on me, but i still think it's too much of a departure to enable by default

[versed hull]

Wish lc had better skyboxes

[bleak fog]

Crazy to actually be able to see on Artifice

“I want people to see” and then a puts a huge dust storm so it may as well be a blizzard

[copper rampart]

i think hard to see artifice is good...

[cyan bone]

What about a chance config option similar to the rain stuff?

so on some days Artifice is "warmer" like that

[meager ivy]

mmmaybe in the future

it's not a bad idea but frankly i have spent way too long delaying this update to keep expanding on features

so im going to put my foot down on the volume stuff with "no more for now"

it'd be pretty easy to set up though, so maybe 1.4.1?

[cyan bone]

fair enough 👀

[flat geyser]

it kinda ruins the vibe to me

i might just not be used to it

[cyan bone]

it's a very different vibe for sure but I feel like I like it

[flat geyser]

it just feels too samey ig

[serene lark]

I'm not too worried about it having increased visibility since I've played Arti so many times to where the map layout is kinda just like clockwork

[flat geyser]

i liked it with the "incorrect" volume bc it made it different visually and i found it kinda unsettling and interesting

plus it looked gloomier

on titan though its like

too bright imo

so idk

[serene lark]

Idk if I would say I got a gloomy vibe from Artifice ever

It kinda gave me the same vibe as Experimentation (atmosphere wise)

[flat geyser]

i mean it has dark fog and the sky is really dark

(bc it uses the snowy volume)

[versed hull]

Artifice giving Marsh/Swamp vibes to me personally

[meager ivy]

i am testing the last feature of v1.4

as long as it does not explode

i can finally push this out the door

[bleak fog]

Well it is literally a marsh map so…