Lethal Elements

[somber hemlock]

even without the allocation of changing the case, it's still bad

[small cypress]

I profiled but didn't see this 🥺
Also I didn't know that using strings is that bad. The reason for requiring this to be checked constantly was originally for the navmesh rebuild that had to be five before even doors open and I just added it everywhere for consistency.

[summer mist]

Why is the weather name being checked actually, I just store my reference of the weather and check that.
https://github.com/XuuXiaolan/CodeRebirth/blob/410f0117c5c31fdbf40a6a11502ffee83052a0b7/Plugin/CodeRebirth/src/Patches/StartOfRoundPatch.cs#L32

[somber hemlock]

the thing that tipped me off was seeing allocations in every call to GrabbableObject.Update()

that doesn't happen in vanilla so I was like

[simple fiber]

i think it’s particularly bad when it’s in an update loop that scales with an instanced content count

[somber hemlock]

string comparisons really aren't that slow, but I don't think there's really a lot of cases where that should be done versus a reference comparison or some other cheaper check

(like Xu mentioned)

[sick ridge]

Could you not just have navmesh regen initiate similar to how Wider and 2 Story Ship handle it?

[somber hemlock]

huh, do you mean that you freeze water and then rebuild before the weather is actually active?

or you mean you try to do the freeze before the vanilla navmesh rebuild so that you don't have to rebuild it yourself?

[small cypress]

I delay rebuild in this case to the moment after the ice is added

So it won't do it twice

[somber hemlock]

ahh, gotcha

makes sense

[somber hemlock]

DMed mrov some possible improvements for the GetCurrentWeather method as well, a bit of the allocation is happening inside API calls

[summer mist]

I left a present for you in my thread zaggy

[somber hemlock]

uh oh

[small cypress]

fixed

[1.2.72b]

• Changed the way weather is detected -> reduced function updates
• Fixed bug with increasing foot trackers on repeated lobby reload
• Linearized snow accumulation. Now it doesn't speed up drastically towards the end of the day, but increases by a constant value, this will cause earlier parts of the day appear snowier than before.
• Slightly increased deepness of paths left by players
• Rebalanced some configs regarding snow height as a result + blacklisted volcanic moons by default (reset WR config for snow and blizzard for that)
• Temporarily disabled ice by default
• Fixed NRE if snow is disabled, but blizzard isn't

[summer mist]

Can u add a config to disable the mod

It's not very immersive

[small cypress]

yes, just disable every single weather :3
4d chess

[small cypress]

@summer mist i stole dis

[sick ridge]

So glad it won't allocate GrabbableObjects anymore every damn frame

lol

[small cypress]

this isn't what was happening, but ok

[summer mist]

There's other weather devs? I thought we went extinct

[lime acorn]

time to deprecate CR 😔

[sick ridge]

Well not quite yeah, but it was performing a very expensive function so I misunderstood lol

Anyways I'm glad it's fixed

I was sad to have to disable the mod for my stream today so we wouldn't lag, I really missed it

Lol

[somber hemlock]

was it actually significantly noticeable for you? I am curious about that

frame rate is obviously worse for it, but it's not inconsistent at least

[sudden wagon]

Has there been any report of incompatibility between elements solar flare and ghost codes? had a secure door desync where host saw it as open and client saw it as closed

[sick ridge]

@small cypress Why is Halation an Epilepsy warning?

XD

Idk if this is your fault or Mae's tbh

[lime acorn]

winter storm + super saturated colors = natural epilepsy trigger. not necessarily a bug, but rather an artistic occurrence

[small cypress]

yeah this is on me, it happens on planets without ground or before terrain was rebaked on others

i changed the shader a bit and maybe one number is higher than 1 by default

[small cypress]

I'm always listening, but obviously cannot promise anything due to time constraints/priorities

[silk cedar]

One of the best mods out there, keep up the good work mate

[small cypress]

I plan to make something very similar, but with wind instead of earthquakes

[silk cedar]

Are you planning to add settings to adjust the tornado size? Maybe within a range, or a fixed value, and or per moons. I feel like they're too huge depending on the moon

[small cypress]

tornados are from CodeRebirth

[silk cedar]

oh yeah my bad

Anyway, blizzard and snow are cool af

[small cypress]

sounds interesting, actually 👀

yeah i could make it check if you're under some cover, it's easy

[silk cedar]

When walking over ice (eg frozen lake), is it possible it will crack in one spot and player will fall through in the water underneath when staying too long over it?

[small cypress]

i'm currently implementing this, but it's not easy and i was a bit preoccupied lately

thank you, glad you're enjoying it

[silk cedar]

I understand, that'll be a nice addition

his mod is in my top #10, should be in the vanilla game

[small cypress]

[vital kindle]

What does this mean

Do I need to change anything in Mesh & Terrain processing to make it work on modded maps?

[small cypress]

no you don't

[vital kindle]

Is it like props change under blizzards and stuff

[small cypress]

i think the explanation written there is pretty self explanatory

[vital kindle]

I'm only going to have blizzards and snowfall happen on Titan, Rend, Dine, and Polarus

[vital kindle]

Im just tryna get confirmation and make sure I'm not screwing anything up too much

[small cypress]

this option is to fix stuff like this

so far i've only seen this on vanilla moons that are already on the list

[vital kindle]

Ohhh

I see

thank you

So I'm just not going to touch any of the Mesh & terrain processing stuff at all

ill stick to the weather stuff

for the chance, is it like a chance for the entire moon

So like if it's 50%, does that mean there's a 50% chance doors breaking is enabled or disabled

or does it mean 50% chance that every now and then they'll malfunction

[small cypress]

this is for each door individually

[vital kindle]

and they just go off at random?

[small cypress]

once in a while during the day lights flicker in the facility and doors randomly open/close - that's it

[vital kindle]

sick, thank you

ima make it 100%

I've played your old version and I know the map gets messed up horribly

but I have a mod that lets me scan a hazard, and it tells me it's number

the terminal still functions fine and people can toggle hazards if they have the code under a solar flare still, right

[small cypress]

there is a small chance the door won't be opened (10%)

but you can try again until it does

[vital kindle]

Nice

yeah this blizzard aint no joke on dine

giant almost got me

[small cypress]

you can clean snow with a shovel btw

there's no visual or sound indication yet though

[vital kindle]

oh cool

im gonna limit snow and blizzards to titan, rend, dine, and polarus

maybe only exclusively blizzards to polarus

[small cypress]

it looks pretty nice on forest moons like Vow too

[vital kindle]

might try it on that eventually

my modpack is based on progression though, so it would be weird having a level 2 moon be that difficult

ive got the order laid out like this

specific weathers for specific moons yk

almost 200 mods

[vital kindle]

Oh that's real evil

Okay I already ran into an issue

toy store interior has the snow in it

[small cypress]

Where is it? Is it actually an interior or like a building outside on the planet

[vital kindle]

it is an actual interior

went through the door

[small cypress]

I need logs in any case, but this means weather registry broke

[vital kindle]

happened again on a different moon as well, titan with manor interior]

ill get the logs next time

[small cypress]

this is something in your mod pack because I tested the latest build just a couple hours ago and didn't see anything like this

[vital kindle]

do you think it could be a setting in weather registry that I messed up

[small cypress]

Probably not, registry is the one that disables stuff like rain/snow/etc when you go inside so something is interfering with it

[sick ridge]

It's more likely a moon issue

[small cypress]

Well he said it happened on titan

[vital kindle]

titan and dine

[small cypress]

Did you use Imperium?

[vital kindle]

no

im disabling insanity remastered rn so my logs arent flooded

then ill just get you the logs in a few

[small cypress]

I just tested in game myself, couldn't reproduce that bug on Titan

[vital kindle]

ok just got snowfall

testing it rn

[Info :WeatherRegistry SunAnimator] Current clip: TimeOfDaySunTypeC
[Info :WeatherRegistry SunAnimator] animatorControllerName: BlizzardSunAnimContainer, weatherType: Snowfall
[Info :WeatherRegistry SunAnimator] Current clip: TimeOfDaySunTypeCStormy

this looks like everything relating to weather registry and stuff

theres no errors relating to it, just the same old one that goes to the visors mod

[vital kindle]

its also still happening in the ship after I leave

[small cypress]

That's definitely something conflicting in your mod pack, this shouldn't happen.

Also I need an actual log

Not snippets from it

[vital kindle]

I’ll have to get that for you tomorrow it’s getting a little late

You’ve got a sick mod though dude im looking forward to using it once I fix all the bugs

I’ve got a lot of mods that could be messing with it

[cold dragon]

that's not related to effects being inside 🥺

it's super weird that it's happening

[indigo hollow]

The nuts are feeling jolly today
Yes I intentionally worded that badly

[green sleet]

@small cypress Hey, not sure why but the toxic fumes color tag doesn't seem to be applying (also I poisoned the lake )

Tried with both 0 and 1 alpha and it looked the same

[indigo hollow]

Gay? I was gay once. They set me in a pond. A water-based pond. A water-based pond with chemicals, and chemicals make me gay.

[quasi quartz]

frog spotted

[green sleet]

Gotta add a frog at the bottom of the lake now

[indigo hollow]

The ||Acidir|| frog 🤑

Which is funny because the whole story of ||Acidir|| are ||its inhabitants going batshit after consistently drinking its natively toxic water||.

[small cypress]

Were they applying before? You said it was working if I remember correctly, or were you referring to the fog colour?

[green sleet]

Snow and fog have worked, but I think I've always seen the fumes as that color (and thought it was due to configuration)

[small cypress]

Ok, I'll check what's up once I have some free time. I'd also appreciate it if you DM me the Bozoros build that includes the new recolouring tags for easier debugging

[green sleet]

Oh sure

Need to upload it somewhere due to lack of Nitro

[small cypress]

i found a way to have collision with volumetric fog so in the next update blizzard will hopefully be more performant
gonna replace fog particles with volumetrics

[summer mist]

If you're not spawning 10000 particles you're not doing it right

[small cypress]

good thing that i currently do

[summer mist]

That's like, my old meteor shower

Though it was probably 50k~

[small cypress]

with vfx graph it's ok (as long as there are no shadows )

[somber hemlock]

I'm not sure I understand what this means, are you masking the volumetric fog against geometry that it passes through so that it occludes the fog as it moves?

sounds intriguing whatever it means

[night widget]

||that's not the story of acidir. you've probably missed a note.||

[small cypress]

yup, it's a volumetric shader that does a Z test to mask fog in occluded areas

[somber hemlock]

like a custom pass shader? or is this something that is built into the HDRP volumetrics?

[small cypress]

Apparently local volumetric fog can accept a special material as a mask

I kinda missed this somehow

[somber hemlock]

ooh that's interesting

does it only allow you to output depth from some certain perspective to mask it off with?

or can it somehow sample the material in 3d?

[small cypress]

It seems to sample each voxel in 3d space. The occlusion part I wrote myself, I just take a snapshot from a camera positioned above the level and then sample from its depth buffer to perform the z test.
Btw you can use a shader graph to create volumetric shaders too

[somber hemlock]

I wonder if this could be an alternative to the shader I made for the glass on Hadal to give it a foggy effect in the water outside

I had been struggling to figure out a way to handle multiple layers of glass with that, since it requires reading back the depth buffer for each layer, and Unity doesn't let you do that

[small cypress]

Your approach is definitely cheaper tho

[somber hemlock]

yeah

it just looks completely wrong with the filled glass tubes in the centers of some tiles

[summer mist]

Also idk if this is related but I've always wanted my smoke particles to not just ignore the games post processing or whatever it is that's making it stand out

[somber hemlock]

it treats those as if they were facing away from the void

[small cypress]

Which smoke particles

Btw I found out why you had crashes with VFX

[summer mist]

You did???

[summer mist]

All of em

[small cypress]

It has to do with spawning them in HideAndDontSave scene

I think it's a bug

[summer mist]

The reworked tornado has a lot of smoke stuff which just kinda stands out over everything else too 😔

[summer mist]

Huh interesting

[small cypress]

I also had this and forgot to tell you

[somber hemlock]

oh god

[small cypress]

There's a workaround

[somber hemlock]

someday that won't be necessary surely

[summer mist]

Maybe I can finally use the entirety of the shader graph and vfx you sent me, lol

[small cypress]

You need to manually reload the visual effect asset from the bundle and reassign it where it was originally

[summer mist]

Oh speak of the devil, my meteors are here

[summer mist]

[small cypress]

This is also why some materials had transparency issues

[summer mist]

Bleh

If you've done this workaround before send me the code just to make sure I know what I'm doing

[small cypress]

https://github.com/v0xx-dev/VoxxWeatherPlugin/blob/b43b09536009833e6114ad2a15c64a567b8e02cd/VoxxWeatherPlugin/src/Utils/WeatherTypeLoader.cs#L336

https://github.com/v0xx-dev/VoxxWeatherPlugin/blob/b43b09536009833e6114ad2a15c64a567b8e02cd/VoxxWeatherPlugin/src/Utils/WeatherTypeLoader.cs#L381

[summer mist]

Are you on mobile lol

But yeah this seems really annoying, I wonder when I'll get around to it

[small cypress]

You must use the Lit shader for particles to make them accept fog and lightning

It's very expensive btw

[summer mist]

:<

[small cypress]

And not sure the standard Particle System pipeline supports it

[summer mist]

I think there was a reason I couldn't make em lit tbh

Cuz I knew I had to do that I just never managed to do it for some reason

[small cypress]

Oh yeah I had a bunch of trouble with snow too . But it's not nearly as complex as a multilayer glass rendering

[small cypress]

In theory you can prebake a 3d SDF map for each tile and just sample from it in the volumetric shader

Since each tile is static

Gonna consume some memory, but since tiles are repeated you can just reuse the same SDF tile-wise

[somber hemlock]

right, but it's possible for the volumetric voxels to clip into the geometry if they are too large right?

I guess it might not look so bad if I set the threshold high enough that nothing ever clips into the tiles though

I've never screwed with SDFs though so that would be an endeavour

[small cypress]

True, but it seems like by default it's at least enough to resolve trees and thick branches (from my super rough test). So if you give it a small padding, it should be fine

Also add some distortion on the glass to make it look watery

[small cypress]

There is a built in tool for baking them, afaik

[somber hemlock]

ooh

[vital kindle]

ill send that log in a second

oh interesting

blizzard doesn't have any issues

at least on rend

dude the snow is sick

like how it builds up over time and stuff

god damn

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jGqKPTbSn8XPA3vLY?invite=cr-MSxMM2gsMTY2MzEzOTQ3LA

[vital kindle]

here it is, this is everything once I pulled the lever

copied it all

[small cypress]

uuuh, you have very strange graphical errors coming from Immersive Visor, i don't know wth is it doing...
also this is not a full log, I need a log with the moment when you go inside and you still have snow in the interior

[vital kindle]

that's all there was from when I entered inside I think

copying logs for me is really weird

it sometimes just gets snippets of all the logs it really sucks

[small cypress]

you can just send the log file instead of copying from the console

[vital kindle]

how do i find that

[small cypress]

in {your_profile_folder}/BepInEx there is a file LogOutput.log

do you use Gale?

[vital kindle]

thunderstore

[small cypress]

in options somewhere

[vital kindle]

it saved my last log

want me to send it?

I logged off after the last snow moon

i might just log back on, load it in, then send it

like load in the snow moon and enter

[small cypress]

" I need a log with the moment when you go inside and you still have snow in the interior "

Unfortunately a random log won't tell me anything

[vital kindle]

So I'll enter it as the bug is happening, then immidietely go over to my files and send this

[summer mist]

replicate bug --> wait like 10 seconds --> post the file

[vital kindle]

On rend, art museum interior

@small cypress

no issues w/ blizzard

just snowfall

waited about 20 seconds

copied that folder you said to

just dragged it into discord

[small cypress]

Ok, it says it was disabled, hmm

[Info   : Unity Log] Called teleport function on Player
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry TimeOfDay] Disabling all weather
[Debug  :PizzaTowerEscapeMusic GameEventListener] Player entered facility

[small cypress]

[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Snowfall to False
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Is player inside? False
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Blizzard to False
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Is player inside? False
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Setting effect Snowfall to True
[Debug  :WeatherRegistry] Is player inside? False

@cold dragon is it normal that this person has two snowfalls for some reason (also there seems to be a bunch of null entries in the weather collection if you look above these lines) ?

[small cypress]

send your modpack code just in case

[vital kindle]

Check my weather registry

0194fc74-80d0-f3c4-cea0-8da4fe5c41f8

This is a code from a few hours ago, but I haven’t touched weather registry in there

I’m still fixing a lot of bugs in my modpack

[small cypress]

200 mods

[vital kindle]

yes

Most configured to work with eachother

I’m just cleaning it up this week and the upcoming

[small cypress]

i can't even start a lobby lol
anyway i'll check sometimes later, but for now i'd suggest to try finding the culprit yourself - by removing mods gradually

[vital kindle]

You can’t?

That’s weird

Everyone I’ve sent the modpack to has been able to do it

I might just disable snowfall then at this point

Blizzard works at least

[small cypress]

it's from OpenBodyCams
@somber hemlock

[vital kindle]

oh really

what do I need to change in the configs

or is it something out of my control

[somber hemlock]

don't use the experimental weather feature with custom weathers

[small cypress]

change to false

[somber hemlock]

would be nice if that could work eventually but I don't think there's any way for me to make that work with custom weathers at the moment

I should probably honestly block it if I see weather registry

[vital kindle]

thank you

i didn't know you made openbodycams too

thats sick

[small cypress]

[somber hemlock]

hey if you wanna take it over go for it

then weathers are your problem

[vital kindle]

it feels like all the high quality mods are only made by a select few

[somber hemlock]

[small cypress]

nuh uh 😭

[vital kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-diver-fish-with-a-bump-stupid-fish-don't-come-to-me-gif-18236503636746398785

this is how I feel every time I slither into a mods forum in the discord

[somber hemlock]

[vital kindle]

but ty for finding it so quickly

im gonna give it a go right now

this is such a vibe

Is this vanilla or does your mod add it/

[small cypress]

it's me

[vital kindle]

thats hard

noticed it right away

yteah the interior issue is fixed

W

[small cypress]

i can smooth it further, but everyone's computers are already screaming from the amount of effects on the screen so i left it like this

[vital kindle]

it's one of these lootpools

[simple fiber]

One day people in the community will bite the bullet on handling weather the right and awful way

[vital kindle]

I fw this image heavy

[small cypress]

i didn't get it

[simple fiber]

imo best way to actually solve the issue of custom weather is figuring out a solid way of making a scriptableobject based replacement for the system and dynamically transpiling all references in the game and mods in order to utilise that system instead of the enums

[vital kindle]

are you planning on any other special weathers after these are finished

[small cypress]

well, mrovs weather definitions are SOs

[simple fiber]

yee and mrov's done a great job of implementing that kinda concept but it still is founded ontop of the enum system

the core issue with it being an enum is unlike other pieces of content you can't work with it, only on top of it

and in addition the implementation of weather settings is cooked too lol

[small cypress]

so true

[simple fiber]

its the one thing i'd ask zeekerss to refactor if i had to pick

[small cypress]

i can't imagine how hard it would be finding and transpiling all of the places with weather enums, considering they are just numbers in the code, ooof

[crystal elm]

I don't know if I did something wrong, but it doesn't seem like Toxic Smog or Blizzard is showing up

Also is there supposed to be a config for this mod?

It doesn't seem to be generating (if there's supposed to be)

It doesn't even list those weather names a single time in the log file

I haven't been able to use the mod yet but.. OMG THIS MOD LOOKS AMAZING

the auroras alone would've sold me

It also seems to kill the scrollbar when using with https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/TerminalFormatter/

https://gist.github.com/zndrmn/8cfb97703906c50136849dd09be08587#file-gistfile1-txt

okay well it just fixed itself after disabling Lethal Elements (loading then closing the game) and then reenabling it

not sure what that's about

[small cypress]

It's not this mod, most likely Weather Registry. Although I use both and had no problems before

[small cypress]

You can't have normal version and beta at the same time

[somber hemlock]

the vanilla way you mean? I don't think it's even that awful, tbh, but at this point it hasn't even been tested properly because weather registry kinda forces people to use hide and don't save afaik

oh scriptable objects I see

hmm, I don't know how well that would work for cases like mine where I work with vanilla compatibility in OpenBodyCams

but who knows

[crystal elm]

oh I meant the beta- I just checked I only had LethalElementsBeta installed (along with the rest of my mods)

I don't know what could be causing things to break (blizzard and toxic smog not showing up/registering. And also the config doesn't seem to generate either)

[small cypress]

you need to send the full log, not snippets from it

[crystal elm]

https://gist.github.com/zndrmn/3455cb7f665bb7281a3334c389056698#file-player-log

going to start nuking mods until it works

[small cypress]

it's because you don't have lethal level loader, guess my soft compatibility isn't soft... my bad D:

[crystal elm]

ahh

will it be a hard dependency?

[small cypress]

no, i did something wrong

if you want to use this in the meantime just add lll temporarily

[crystal elm]

yeah adding it fixes it

can't wait to play with this mod with my group

[crystal elm]

do any of the snow weathers have lightning?

I wonder if it would make any sense to make it so that one of the snow weathers has a rare change for lightning to strike

[scarlet mango]

blizzard maybe but... do blizzards irl have lightning? I don't feel like they really do.

[crystal elm]

It's very rare for lightning to strike during snow storms

but it does happen
it's super cool

here's a video of a reporter freaking out over the fact that they witnessed lightning during a snow storm https://youtu.be/qJt4nV6hM1Y

[scarlet mango]

interesting

[small cypress]

blizzard has thunder

not gonna add actual lightning cuz first of all it's super annoying code-wise, plus blizzard is already kinda tough imo

[indigo hollow]

Please, please tell me Snowfall doesn't fuck with the Cruiser.

It's gotten stuck on nothing, and I'm not sure if that's due to the snow on Snowfall.

[indigo hollow]

Yeah, please add an option to disable the snow messing with the Cruiser. It is WAY too intrusive in gameplay.

[small cypress]

what, it doesn't do anything with the cruiser

it only removes snow underneath and this is purely on a graphical level, it cannot affect its behaviour

[indigo hollow]

Not sure what it's getting stuck a lot then.

[small cypress]

it doesn't slow down the cruiser, it's basically the only thing that is not affected by snow

[night widget]

do the weathers have configs set up for wesley's moons?

[small cypress]

Ye, if they are tagged correctly, some specific planets are in there explicitly

[vital kindle]

they work insanely well on polarus

[hexed sinew]

[01:37:58.7874973] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
UnityEngine.GameObject.GetComponent[T] () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0021)
VoxxWeatherPlugin.Utils.RandomExtensions+<BakeMasks>d__1.MoveNext () (at ./src/Utils/Extensions.cs:75)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)

[01:37:58.7884971] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
UnityEngine.GameObject.GetComponent[T] () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0021)
VoxxWeatherPlugin.Utils.RandomExtensions+<BakeMasks>d__1.MoveNext () (at ./src/Utils/Extensions.cs:75)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)

[small cypress]

i need the full log and also a description of how this happened

otherwise unfortunately it's useless

[hexed sinew]

Nothing happened we just landed and it gave that error I can give logs if it happens again because they already got wiped.

[small cypress]

landed where exactly, which moon

[hexed sinew]

Tunere I think

[reef blaze]

tried landing on Aquatis while a blizzard was happening

worst mistake of my life

[small cypress]

Oh yeah, I temporarily disabled water freezing for that reason

But if you had it enabled before it probably still is

[crystal elm]

Would it be possible for the distortion effect to also be applied to the ship cameras? (including OpenBodyCams)
also the solar flare weather is by far my favorite weather type. It's so freaking cool hehe

[still owl]

do you plan to check for like the water volume size or something to just skip the freezing if it exceeds a certain amount

[small cypress]

I have two ideas:

1. Either what you've just said
2. Freeze regardless of size, BUT limit the collider to a certain area. This way it can still freeze the oceans and stuff, but on the downside if somebody decides to go on a ride off into the horizon they will fall through the ground at some point

[small cypress]

open body cams will be supported, i just always get distracted on other stuff D:
ship cameras won't be affected - my headcanon is that they are connected by a wire directly, so wouldn't be affected by flares as much

i updated the distortion shader using some knowledge i got recently, so now it will be more optimized. i wanted to do that before adding open cams compat, cause it used blitting (aka texture copying) before and would probably have visible performance impact if there were more than 1 camera using it in the scene

[crystal elm]

hmm yeah I guess that makes sense

oh, can you make it so that the dropship melts the snow around it so it's easier to find the stuff you just purchased?

[small cypress]

sure

[fallow ginkgo]

both are sick and awesome but the 2nd option's the funniest one by far LOL

[reef blaze]

tbh this is the best weather mod I've ever seen

[still owl]

ASSUMING the body of water is this large, 9 times out of 10 its an ocean

which cant realistically freeze lol

i think you should go with 1

[summer mist]

you can freeze a good portion of it

[fallow ginkgo]

year

[somber hemlock]

it seems very possible that some maps might use a big ol plane for their water to make up ponds or somethin though

[fallow ginkgo]

yeah.......

that's what a lot of moon makers do

[small cypress]

I could compare with approximate playable moon area to filter them out

[somber hemlock]

hmm I see

[reef blaze]

I think the only small issue I've ever had with it is blizzard

without a jetpack, it's tricky to move through

[small cypress]

that's intended, use a shovel

[reef blaze]

oooh

am dum

[simple fiber]

can use the navmesh bake right

[somber hemlock]

if people set bounds for the navmesh surface

AI nodes are probably more useful for this imo

[simple fiber]

no as in water isn't baked so in theory you could use the negative space of the bake right

somehow with mathgic

[somber hemlock]

I mean that might reduce the area at least, but if people aren't setting the bounds on maps with big terrain planes then it might still be pretty large

but also not setting those bounds is very bad so I'm not opposed to people assuming that they are sane

[spice axle]

for some reason this moon doesnt get any weathers?

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/InstanceWorld/Fortress/

[violet zealot]

No weathers at all or just no LethalElements weathers?

[spice axle]

no weathers at all

[violet zealot]

You can probably allow it to have weathers in WeatherRegistrys config

[spice axle]

how

[violet zealot]

In WeatherRegistrys config there’s a list of all weathers. In each weather there’s a blacklist for moons the weather can’t happen on

You can change it to a whitelist by turning the setting below to “true”

Then put the name of every moon you want to have that weather separated by a colon. For example:
Experimentation;Assurance;Vow

It should be the internal name of the moon. Which you can find in LethalLevelLoaders config

that has a category for each moon, including the fortress moon

It’s worth checking just to make sure you’re listing its name correctly

[spice axle]

okay thanks!

still nothing :(

[violet zealot]

Have you tried increasing the default weight of the weather?

[spice axle]

yes

[violet zealot]

If you have increased it you’ll need to land on a moon and then go back into orbit

Or make a new save

[spice axle]

tried and for some reason still didnt work

[violet zealot]

If it’s still not working I’d probably assume the mod dev somehow didn’t allow weather to work? Although I don’t know much about making moons

[spice axle]

ill have to ask them in there thread

[vital kettle]

Iv been under the impression that was intentional on the moon developers side

Since

Big turret

It’s kinda the only gimmick you need

Unless you hate yourself

[scarlet mango]

I know we have a list where we add what weather we want, and making that empty means no weather, but I feel like WR would be able to override that at least for modded ones. I’d think vanilla too but those can have some variables and if they’re unset idk what would happen.

Unless it doesn’t have a time of day thing like the company building? That might play a part.

[vital kindle]

just experienced the solar flare

like this version's solar flare

its sick

the door sounds spooked us

[vital kindle]

what do wax soliders even do

ive only seen em once

[scarlet mango]

spam errors
(they're not implemented yet)

[vital kindle]

oh lol

[night widget]

does snowfall/blizzard work on Galetry from wesley's moons?

[small cypress]

yes in theory, but terrain there is huge so you'll be waiting for a while until it converts (also it may be very low quality due to having no ai nodes that i use to adapt mesh density)

[small cypress]

climate change is no joke
(also, oceans no longer freeze and break the game)

[night widget]

actually more specifically, does the snow still rise even on moons that don't have time?

[small cypress]

Ah no, forgot about that part

[night widget]

aw. wonder if a special interaction could be done for galetry...

[wet field]

I'm using LethalElementsBeta and I'm experiencing a huge lagspike when I land on a moon with Heatwave weather. Does anybody know a solution?

[reef blaze]

hmmm

what moon? Just any?

[wet field]

Any moon as long as it has heatwave weather going on

And when I was hosting multiplayer everyone got kicked or lagged out of the lobby before it ended

[reef blaze]

weird

i would test but it's worked fine for me in solo and i dont have any more friends who play 😭

[small cypress]

that weather is actually fully client side, so it wouldn't matter how many people are there

[small cypress]

which moon was it? the only possibility is that it was a huge moon and it was trying to place emitters for too long.
but in general it takes less than a second, this is strange if its everywhere, since there's nothing complicated being calculated

[wet field]

Pretty much every moon has at least a 10 second spike but on Haul (Rosie's moons) I've had one that was around 40 seconds

Haul was the time when everyone I was playing with got kicked

But that does make sense because Haul is quite large

[small cypress]

10 seconds is still way too much and I personally have never experienced that, but I will address this in the next patch

[night widget]

i tested it myself and snowfall works decently well on galetry. the terrain falls apart far away from the ship of course, but this doesn't affect the main part you play much (a little bit of terrain clips through the sides of the building but it doesn't block anything)

[night widget]

the aurora from solar flare should probably follow the player's position like the sun

[neon heath]

Are there weather-to-weather weights for this mod between these weathers, default weathers, and the MrovWeathers mod?

For instance, would a solar flare be more likely to trigger a heatwave or a blackout the following day

[quasi quartz]

not by default

[crystal elm]

this; it looks quite odd when you're directly under an aurora since they're paper thin

[still owl]

hey voxx i was just wondering if at some point you could maybe look into improving the lods for snow? they get reaaally wonky far away

[small cypress]

beanie
I'll add the option to the config, but unfortunately increasing lod distance will demolish performance.
It's very resource intensive D:

[small cypress]

i did something
(weathertweaks compat goes brr)

[spice axle]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrasad-gif-23310565

[fallow ginkgo]

dawg what the fuck

[crystal elm]

WOOO

THATS GOING TO BE SO COOL

[fiery siren]

lore accurate eclipse??

[crystal elm]

Just looks like Solar Flare + Eclipse

[cold dragon]

the tweaker

[serene heart]

yeah so, about when are you gonna make the snow actually sound like snow? Because right now you can trod through 6 feet of snow mounds and listen to crispy clear grass sounds at the same time

[small cypress]

that feature was included since the moment snow was added. in fact i just checked and it works with lethal resonance as well, so idk what's up on your end. it replaces the footstep sound index when snow is above certain thickness

[serene heart]

Only thing I can think of is the new material check function overriding your one

[small cypress]

i just tried on the latest version of resonance and sound api

[serene heart]

My indev build is the one that it breaks on, but I haven't adjusted the footsteps themselves in any way

Ive also noticed snowy footsteps sometimes playing when inside the facility

[small cypress]

on your indev build?

[serene heart]

for 5.0 version of LR, yeah

[small cypress]

this is peculiar since the patch straight up skips itself when you're inside the facility

but it still uses the latest soundapi version?

[serene heart]

There are a few instances of me using the new material check, but no changes to the footsteps themselves

[small cypress]

idk how resonance works under the hood

[serene heart]

The one currently on TS, yeah

[small cypress]

ok then it means it checks the tag itself, not the footstep index

not ideal since this will also not work with LLL's custom footsteps once it fixes it (at least judging by the current implementation)

[serene heart]

Your method or soundapi's method?

[small cypress]

i don't touch the tag because otherwise everyone standing on the same ground will emit the same footstep sound, in my case i can selectively change the sounds

[small cypress]

i meant soundapi's method by checking the tag

[serene heart]

Whatever bongo's method is works for other players, so you don't make the same sound

The material check is indeed tag, because that does break for other players, but the footsteps themselves work just fine

[small cypress]

like if they are standing on the same terrain it allows to play completely different footstep surface sounds for different players?

[serene heart]

That im not too sure about... It replaces sound clips, it doesn't check the actual data or what called it

At least not in this case

If both you and Soundapi are changing the soundclip that would cause issues, yeah

Though it doesn't explain why things break for me

[small cypress]

i am not changing the clip

so the way it's done now is

there is a special thing in code "FootstepSurface" (or something like this) which stores the clips and the corresponding surface tag. They are stored in an array, so there's tag <-> footstep index correspondence. when player walks, the game caches the current footstep index and the animator only plays clips from the related FootstepSurface object. I basically change the cached index in the code so the game thinks its the snow surface instead of the normal one

[serene heart]

Which should mean the snow soundclip is called, and soundapi then hooks into that and changes the file it points to. Not sure why it would be breaking...

[small cypress]

It seems like sound api just checks the tag and skips the index part

[serene heart]

I would test it myself but cannot get snowfall for the life of me..

[small cypress]

imperium

[serene heart]

imperium breaks it?

[small cypress]

no just choose the weather there

[serene heart]

Didn't even appear there... ?

[small cypress]

just don't teleport - because this does break it

waaa, i've been constantly testing with it

[quasi quartz]

It’s not scrollable?

[serene heart]

nope

[quasi quartz]

Than I think there’s bigger issues rn than wrong footsteps methinks

[serene heart]

Only other mods I have are facility meltdown and no console spam

Dependencies excluded

Man im too hungry for this shit, hold on...

[small cypress]

D:

wtf

[quasi quartz]

yeah I can corroborate that it (still) works with Imperium

[serene heart]

I guess SOMETHING about my indev build breaks things

Which is weird, because it shouldn't be at all

[small cypress]

i have the same mods in mine

[serene heart]

Well yeah no shit they dont appear in mine, I dont fucking have them installed...

theyre STILL NOT HERE

[small cypress]

you can try this, im completely stumped otherwise
01951f03-bc8d-6659-da29-dd700178afef

maybe i checked something in the config

[serene heart]

Works there yeah

idk then

[cold dragon]

wtf

[serene heart]

Weird thing is, your lethal elements has all the configs for the new weather, but mine does not

[small cypress]

this is dark magic, even after creating a completely new profile i cannot reproduce this

oh well

[small cypress]

I just published a new update. In short:

• General: New config system for weather! ⚙️
• Snow/Blizzard: Massive visual & performance boost! Less snow glitches, better lighting, and new volumetric fog is now default for blizzards (looks better & runs smoother)! ❄️
• Solar Flare: Walkie-talkies are now more usable during flares (in a fun way)! 📻 Better sun visuals and new electrical malfunctions! Also long requested OpenBodyCams compatibility! 💥
• Toxic Fog & Heatwave: Performance & bug fixes. 💨🔥
• WeatherTweaks compatibility with interesting new weather combos like Eclipsed Flare & Snowfall + Solar Flare!

I suggest to look into resetting your config for my weathers on weather registry's side to get the new defaults.

[still owl]

im confused :p... combined weathers??

[fallow ginkgo]

weather tweaks gives weathers a chance to be combined w other weathers

[still owl]

i know

i use it

[fallow ginkgo]

oh then, yeah that's it

it's eclipsed + solar flare

[still owl]

i just couldnt tell if that was it ye

also i didnt read the changelog right above me LOL

[fallow ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/neppico-gif-12490047082767817490

[fallow ginkgo]

OIJSDOIA LOL

[small cypress]

you'd be happy to hear that lightning on snow is usable now and not a performance killer (at least not as much)

also all the weird collision bugs are fixed

and there's an option for lods if you need

[still owl]

well

[still owl]

i do remember you mentioning last time you'd add an option for that

i was moreso hoping the jagginess of the snow lods could be alleviated

but theres probably not much you can do there

i have no idea how you even handle that

[reef blaze]

eclare

https://tenor.com/view/eclairs-pastry-dessert-eclair-gif-13683834115964664623

[small cypress]

you can increase lod distance, that's the only way

[still owl]

how are you generating the lods?

[small cypress]

it's tessellation in the shader

[fallow ginkgo]

heatfall

https://tenor.com/view/bee-hitting-camera-gif-18154323366188082276

actually wait that'd be heat

||wave||

[summer mist]

tessellation my beloved

https://tenor.com/view/3kliksphilip-kliksphilip-gif-17693726382920447435

[remote viper]

Really cool update! I hope it comes to the normal version soon

[small cypress]

i want to add ice breaking then merge with public, i laid out some ground work for it in this update so hopefully i'll have free time to finish this fast

[dreamy reef]

Can we remove ocean moons from the black list now?

[small cypress]

yes

[dreamy reef]

Awesome

[scarlet mango]

[Info   :   BepInEx] Loading [voxx.LethalElementsPlugin 1.3.0]
[Error  : Unity Log] FileNotFoundException: Could not load file or assembly 'LethalLevelLoader, Version=1.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null' or one of its dependencies.
Stack trace:
System.Reflection.MonoMethodInfo.GetMethodInfo (System.IntPtr handle) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:0)
System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.GetPseudoCustomAttributes () (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:0)
System.MonoCustomAttrs.GetPseudoCustomAttributes (System.Reflection.ICustomAttributeProvider obj, System.Type attributeType) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:0)
System.MonoCustomAttrs.GetCustomAttributesBase (System.Reflection.ICustomAttributeProvider obj, System.Type attributeType, System.Boolean inheritedOnly) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:0)
System.MonoCustomAttrs.GetCustomAttributes (System.Reflection.ICustomAttributeProvider obj, System.Type attributeType, System.Boolean inherit) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:0)
System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.GetCustomAttributes (System.Type attributeType, System.Boolean inherit) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:0)
VoxxWeatherPlugin.VoxxWeatherPlugin.NetcodePatcher () (at ./src/VoxxWeatherPlugin.cs:121)
VoxxWeatherPlugin.VoxxWeatherPlugin.Awake () (at ./src/VoxxWeatherPlugin.cs:32)
UnityEngine.GameObject:AddComponent(Type)
BepInEx.Bootstrap.Chainloader:Start()
UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.HDRenderPipelineAsset:OnEnable()

This happens if I launch the beta without LethalLevelLoader and I think it's completely stopping the mod from launching. I can get full log/profile code but it's just the beta and dependencies as far as I know

[small cypress]

did you update?

this was fixed in the latest version

at least i attempted D:

[scarlet mango]

I made the mistake of assuming the local mod list was up to date :(
I downloaded it fresh assuming it would get the most recent version and it didn't lol

It also probably didn't help that on my main profile I think I was prompted to update but it was technically to an older version as the most recent hasn't been cached yet or whatever

[crystal elm]

Did the LLL dependency get fixed?

Oh also snow melting under dropships and removed moon ambience during snowy weather (probably should just be a toggle) would be very awesome

[fiery siren]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zaggy1024/LethalLevelLoaderHostExitFix/

[small cypress]

two messages above

[small cypress]

dropship thing was added yeah

[crystal elm]

Yippiee

[small cypress]

first time im hearing about ambience tho

[dapper glen]

i did notice ambience wasnt there on dine when it was snowing but i didn't think it was elements

[small cypress]

i don't touch this at all

they actually wanted me to disable it if i understood correctly

[crystal elm]

Yeah I just thought about it. Being able to hear the Vow/March/Adamance ambiance sounds a little weird while there’s a blizzard outside haha

[dapper glen]

i suppose that makes sense

[wet field]

Lesgo no more delay (at least for me) :D

[empty pivot]

Are you thinking of adding any more weathers before pushing to main LE?

[summer mist]

20 more weathers before stable

[scarlet mango]

Dementia weather when?

[empty pivot]

foggy

[night widget]

why would that be a weather

that doesn't make any sense

[summer mist]

what would be a weather

[scarlet mango]

Yeah I don’t remember anything being said about weather

[cold dragon]

soon

[scarlet mango]

What’s happening soon?

[crystal elm]

What weather are we talking about again?

[reef blaze]

What's weather?

[dull horizon]

is there an alternative for MeteoMultiplier or anything similar so that these weather hazards have loot scaling?

[crystal elm]

Weather Tweaks does this

Not sure why the readme doesn’t mention it but you can control the scrap price multiplier and scrap amount multiplier

For each weather type including modded weathers

[dull horizon]

"(optional) Difficulty scaling with player amount and quotas completed"

How does the config look like? We've gotten used with meteo but it has no compat with modded weather

Just plug the name of the weather?

[crystal elm]

I can show you a screenshot of a part of my config

Wait it’s weather registry that does this

[dull horizon]

so i both need weather registry and tweaks?

[crystal elm]

I think it's best to have them both installed since weather tweaks has some other nice features

[quasi quartz]

you don't need both

[crystal elm]

true but you miss out on a lot without having both

[empty pivot]

Solar flair could pair REALLY well with the Problematic Pilotry mod, increasing the chance for a random location ship and dropship landing

[sick ridge]

@small cypress ran into a bug with Solar Flare today. Items not charged in the item charger before landing drained much slower, but if you charged them they would drain to 0 really really quickly

Like ridiculously fast to the point you couldn't even use them

[dull horizon]

so i have to recreate these per modded weather?

[sick ridge]

Log from today btw

Hope it helps

[crystal elm]

yeah you'll probably have to change the values again for each weather (vanilla and modded if you have any)

[dull horizon]

what are the actual names of each weather? should I include a space? "SolarFlare" or "Solar Flare"?

[crystal elm]

The default config uses "Solar Flare" so I'd go with that

[dull horizon]

nice
i'll set it up after work

[cold dragon]

both are correct

and they're case-insensitive

[dull horizon]

coolbeans

thx

[neon heath]

Flood + Snowfall = https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/s/amvxfBoKIb

[crystal elm]

this was a rather unfortunate spot for some smog to spawn

[small cypress]

I wanted to stop this, but forgor 💀

[crystal elm]

hehe

it was kinda funny

the elevator takes forever to start moving up so I was just sitting in there dying

[small cypress]

Interesting, this is one of the few parts that remained as it was. Was it on some specific items or even normal ones like a flashlight were affected?
If you have a timestamp from the stream it would be useful to check, cause there's probably nothing in the logs regarding that, it might be a general oversight, not an error.

[sick ridge]

The faster drain after charging items was probably just cus I regened the config and normally have them drain at 0.5 lol

But it was weird charging a walkie and flashlight and watching them die twice as fast compared to when I didn't put them in the charger

XD

[crystal elm]

Could there be an option to change the amount of snow the shovel can clear per hit/swing?

[small cypress]

Ah ok, I mean if anyone has input regarding balancing I'm open to changing the defaults. I don't get to play as much, so most of them were chosen from my vibe lol

[sick ridge]

https://www.twitch.tv/lunxara/clip/AnimatedPiliableOysterOSsloth-XjzOajfy_KQLEbOg Still felt like it drained really fast though lol

I would recommend the default be 0.5 personally lol, the drain on 1 has always felt crazy XD

[small cypress]

Oh no that's not normal

[sick ridge]

Yeah I didn't think so

Lmao

I watched a Jetpack get obliterated when I charged it earlier on

XD

[small cypress]

It actually doesn't drain until you pick item up

[sick ridge]

radar boosters also weren't affecting the glitching anymore on the monitor

Dunno if that's intended

[small cypress]

I'm curious if elite flashlight doesn't set up this flag or has an unusual way of discharging. Can also be me, but with pro flashlights I haven't seen this before

[small cypress]

No, they still should D:

[sick ridge]

Nah the Jetpack also had it's battery drain really really fast

[small cypress]

I'll look into this, thx for the report

[sick ridge]

yw

you could double check if something is odd with the Elite Flashlight but I never ran into problems with it doing that before

iirc it copies everything from the Pro-Flashlight but has an extended radius and battery life

[small cypress]

Draining also depends on the strength of a flare, so on the strongest one it might be actually normal, but I honestly forgot

[sick ridge]

Yeah I think that might have been one of the stronger ones

[small cypress]

I need to disallow draining on the ship probably

And reduce the overall speed

[sick ridge]

I did notice my log had some errors so there might be some stuff in there relating to the radar boosters not working dunno though

[sly olive]

what mod improves that end screen? like the "Empty handed" and "Team backbone" thing?

and also shows the stats, looks amazing icl

[dreamy reef]

BetterEXP

[sly olive]

thanks

[neon heath]

It'd be cool to have the blizzard wind ambience noticeably dampen when closing the door while inside the ship, not sure if that's possible though

[proven mason]

That should be fairly easy to do

[small cypress]

Yeah I can do that, just don't expect it to work in every single enclosed space 😅

[proven mason]

You can tie it to a setting in reverbtriggers(?)

[serene heart]

Yeah, just set it to muffle if current reverb triggers is "Smallroomreverb". It's the one zeekers uses for the ship interior among other things

[small cypress]

Nice idea! I'll look into that

[autumn merlin]

I feel a bit dum in asking but I noticed that in the most recent update it no longer freezes water for very large bodies of water, one of these moons that was affected was Cambrian

Is there any sort of current workaround so that I could have the water freeze with snowfall/blizzard weather again on that moon or is that not possible in the current implementation?

[fallow ginkgo]

I think it was to prevent snowfall and blizzard from causing crashes on moons with large water planes like aquatis, cambrian and solace

I think a better (albeit time consuming) work around would be to only freeze water that's within a certain distance of dry ground (horizontally speaking)

[autumn merlin]

Fair point why it exists, Cambrian's sort of one of those edge cases when you compare it to other Oceanic moons

It has a very large body of water but the same body of water is laced with dry ground in the playable area

It's one of the very few (if not the only one that comes to memory) where the freeze actually works for the map

[reef blaze]

my teacher's screen reminded me of this mod lol

[fervent summit]

HELL WINTER!

[small cypress]

not currently, but if i manage to make ice breakable then it will freeze within a certain radius

[fallow ginkgo]

ah that sounds reasonable yeah!

[compact hollow]

hey i am trying the beta and noticed that when reloading a file the time seems to break. No matter what day im on it will become the deadline day and play the first day music as well. If i quit and reload the file i can land on a moon, but reloading any save breaks it. Even if it is a new one. It also seems to break general improvements

[small cypress]

i don't modify those, your log suggests its something related to weather registry + pikmin moons

[vital kindle]

its weather registry

go to an old version

this one breaks everything

[compact hollow]

Ah ok thank you guys

[sick ridge]

@small cypress Btw just wanted to bring this up

Ever since the update I get a lag spike every time I land or go back into orbit

[wise mirage]

Are you 100% it's weatherregistry? I didn't see the problem when WR was enabled on my pack. I only noticed it upon enabling lethalelementsbeta

[vital kindle]

I only have the issue when I use the new version of weather registry

Combined with lethalelementsbeta

[wise mirage]

so wouldn't that mean it is lethalelementsbeta?

the problem I mean

nvm it might be both or just one but I can't tell. I just reroll to 4.0.3

[lime acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/log-ren-stimpy-gif-18050633177369619965

[sick ridge]

I've seen no errors in the logs but I could send it ig

It's just unoptimization I think

[lime acorn]

untelling log >>>>>> no log at all

the more info sources, the better

[scarlet mango]

Unfortunately Voxx I got this too. Tested with this 01952b87-cac9-8037-eb9a-559aba03ee92 which is just LEBeta really. Had LLL in too but it's disabled as it doesn't seem connected. I saw weather registry updated though and from what I can tell in that thread it's the issue, though from my testing on its own it is fine.

oh wait, looks like you already discussed this in the weather registry thead. oops. should've scrolled up more in there

[cold dragon]

Downgrade registry for now, sorry for that 😭

[sick ridge]

Upon testing WeatherRegistry 0.5.2 the lag spike problems appear to be fixed, I would assume the issue was the optimization issues in WeatherManager that existed before

@cold dragon You did a good job

@small cypress I just did a test and the Radar Boosters are working again during Solar Flare with WeatherRegistry 0.5.2 as well

I think WR 0.4.3 was the culprit with the issues before

[dreamy kettle]

Incredible mod. I absolutely love driving on huge maps made for cruisers-only in whiteout blizzard conditions where falling out of the cruiser or crashing it bc the driver hit a bump too hard - which is obviously incredibly easy to do - means freezing out in the cold.

I have a feature request: Would you be willing to add (even a config) so that the heatwave also doesn't affect you in the cruiser? There's some big cool desert maps that would be perfect, but the car has no AC so you immediately get blinded by the heat effect and it makes the cruiser unusable lmao.

Also; ||heatwaves being configurable to start doing damage at max heatstroke hehe||

[spice axle]

snowfall snow particles are falling super fast near the ship but goes back to normal the further you are from it

might be a problem with powerfull moons mod only however

only had the issue on the moon scallg so far

yeah the problem is only happening on scallg

[small cypress]

It means stuff is on the wrong layer there

Or the ship navigation surface is removed

[small cypress]

Most likely

[spice axle]

it never had an issue before so i dont know why its doing it

maybe the creator made a mistake

[small cypress]

'Before' as in with the previous version of my mod on this specific moon?

[spice axle]

specific moon

[small cypress]

with snow you mean or in general

[spice axle]

with snowfall

[small cypress]

ok I'll check

[smoky acorn]

i love snow

imagine "the floor is lava" weather

and you just get instantly killed once you step on the lava

well pretty much infernis actually

[spice axle]

[stiff linden]

That sounds like flooded but spicy

[opaque otter]

chili flood

[cold dragon]

👀 💀

[smoky acorn]

Yeah

Magma flood

actually that sounds cool but in practice, legit impossible to play

[scarlet mango]

yeah some maps might work where the ship and main are up higher than a lot of the map and you can stay high to get between them, like Vow, but I think a lot of maps might be impossible

[lime acorn]

1 map does do it tho. recently ported from LE to LLL even

Vulcan-9

[violet zealot]

I think personally Titan could not be a better choice for flooded style moons

Suprised nobody has done it yet

[dapper glen]

how high does flooded go on titan

cus the ship is already pretty much at the lowest point of the map

[scarlet mango]

Yeah does it even flood on Titan? I can’t remember

[quasi quartz]

not vanilla

you'd have to do extra modding to not start underwater on it I think lol

no nvm

[autumn merlin]

Only other weathers vanilla Titan has aside from the usual Eclipsed is Stormy & Foggy

[violet zealot]

It can’t flood on Titan via WR. I’ve seen it happen from glitches though and I don’t think it can rise

[cold dragon]

no

[molten sierra]

What causes this? [Warning:voxx.LethalElementsPlugin] No valid texture or camera depth buffer found for HDRP Camera and Fog Binder.

[small cypress]

If it is written only once (not spammed continuously) that's normal, it's because when the script is enabled on the first frame depth buffer is not initialized yet

[molten sierra]

It's spammed continuously

Fills the entire console in about a minute

[quasi quartz]

r worms supposed to remove snow

[crystal elm]

wait that sounds cool

having worms disturb the snow in a large area when it's about to attack and have all of the snow removed once it emerges out of the ground

[small cypress]

I need the log and pack code then

[small cypress]

yup

[opaque otter]

cant see the snow through ship windows

[fallow ginkgo]

would be more of a ship windows issue iirc?

[opaque otter]

i have no clue

[still owl]

iirc ship windows has a setting in its config that applies a shader to the windows that breaks post processing stuff

i think its like refractive glass or something

[blazing slate]

Trying to figure out if I can possibly get the snow to work with Map Improvements, but I don't think that it's possible. Asking here in case you have any suggestions/ideas, but I assume the 'Terrain' mesh for the snow is calculated much earlier than when I spawn in the improvements. The snow dusting appears on the improvements, but I'd like for the snow to pile up on parts too. Luckily it is just a minor visual annoyance with some moons.

[sick ridge]

Yeah it would be if they have refraction on, the default should be No Refraction Iridescence and it works fine

[neon heath]

In a discord im in, someone reported Snowfall on Fission-C causing massive lag (they said it was from "navmesh regen") and their friend died to one of the toxic pools, which was invisible

I can test myself once I get time but won't be able to for a few days, just figured I should report here anyway

[fallow ginkgo]

well it becomes invisible cuz it gets covered by snowfall, no?

[opaque otter]

the snow weathers dont work well with wesleys

i suggest blacklisting them with weatherregistry

[compact hollow]

So with some custom moons I notice the wind/cloud effect only works in like a square around the ship. Can I assume modded weathers will not work with these maps

[small cypress]

i'm afraid ship windows would have to account for that (tweak render priority), on my side snow is rendered just like any other transparent material

[small cypress]

at what point do you modify the scene? if I understand how WeatherRegistry does it correctly, then it should enable weather effects in openingDoorsSequence coroutine. So if you do it before that method is run it should work normally. Assuming your stuff is on a correct layer and mesh name is not something random.

#1268919667347427390 message
here is more details about how the ground or water objects are detected

[small cypress]

i realised that i fucked up some math during mesh calculation and it was always using the best quality regardless of playable area, oops. and wesley's moons are not perfectly optimized and use a lot of small terrain objects even in unreachable areas, so combined with my bug it cause snow to run at the best possible quality regardless of "reachability". For instance fission-c uses 10 different terrain objects at default (high) terrain resolution without AutoLODs, so this generated ~4 million triangles. Whoops

[small cypress]

i assume this is why this happened as well

as for invisible moving death water... it's a bit tricky, but i can try accounting for this. although this will cause ice to raise just like water did, since unfortunately i have no control over scene animations (i.e. it's not possible to understand what exactly is moving a particular object) so i cannot stop this.

[small cypress]

where and under which circumstances? also i need logs to understand anything, there could be multiple reasons

[compact hollow]

Ok I’ll get some logs

I’ve noticed it on pikmoons and star lancer moons so far

[small cypress]

all of starlancer moons?

cause i've tested at least on solace and auralis and it seemed ok

[compact hollow]

here its particularly on the second moon i land on, hope

maybe its something i did in my config?

01954d64-ef7a-3653-6927-8d7d9f29d751

heres my code

i know pikmoons has that error on loadup but apprently thats supposed to not conflict with anything. the same effect seems to happen on the starlancer moons. Im starting to think it must be a mod conflict or a setting i tweaked wrong

I noticed it for sure on Auralis and solace. The snowflakes fell throughout the map but the like clouds/dust clouds like effect was contained to like a box. It extended past and behind the ship, but if you walked out of the box you’d see just the snowflakes and fog, not the rolling dust clouds, if that makes sense

[small cypress]

how peculiar, there are no errors as well, i'll check what's up, thx

[compact hollow]

No worries. Thanks for looking. I really like this mod btw, awesome work

[blazing slate]

I'm applying at SetChallengeFileRandomModifiers which is before openingDoorsSequence. I have the gameObjects as static and the name is 'Terrain'. Any other suggestions I should try, or just try every permutation of the moon tutorial? Water also isn't frozen despite using the vanilla water mat, is there any other way to detect it?

[small cypress]

can you tell me how to reproduce this exactly (moon, config, etc.) I will try to understand why it's not working

[small cypress]

cause judging by this description - it should

[blazing slate]

Experimentation C, Offense A, Offense B have the terrain without snow, and Artifice C has the water. You can ensure they spawn by setting their config to Always, but config does not matter. Do note that the current release does not have the objects named properly, as I am working on on the update now, hence why I've begun asking questions now. Artifice C does have the water mat tho.

Offense A. See how it has the dusting on it but no snow pile up? This is what I'd like to resolve, but it is not anything game breaking

[small cypress]

oh, so it won't work on the current release build cause the names there on replaced objects do not follow the vanilla pattern? if so, would it be possible to get a prerelease build so i could check?

[blazing slate]

Well I've tried following the guide you have and the snow still does not work, so I may put this on the backburner for a while, as low priority. I was just checking to see if you had any suggestions

It is a minor issue, but some people were asking to fix it because of how funny it can look

[small cypress]

Have you checked this part?
"If you have a mesh terrain that needs to be blacklisted add "outofbounds" to its name."
idk why else would one terrain work and not the other, assuming naming pattern is indeed correct

@blazing slate

[blazing slate]

It definitely does not have outofbounds in the name, material, or mesh

[vital kindle]

Does this work on Artifice, Gloom, Gratar, and Acidir?

[vital kindle]

Is it fine with Gloom, Gratar, and Acidir

Or do those completely break it too

It works really well on Polarus

Haven't had issues there

[crystal elm]

Could weathers on Gordion be improved perchance?
Arouras on Gordion are super jank looking and there's no physical snow on Gordion either.

[violet zealot]

You can increase the distance that you can see auroras. Not much we can do about them clipping into the company buildings wall though

Besides increasing their height. But that applies to all moons and not just the company building.

[crystal elm]

For some reason none of the combined Lethal Element weathers from WeatherTweaks are showing up in the weather selection debug

[compact hollow]

hey so an update: the weird box effect does not happen when i use useParticleBlizzardFog instead of volumetric. The pikmoons still wont accumulate snowfall but thats something on their end right?

[small cypress]

i haven't had the time to test it yet D:
but that's good to know

pikmin moons have no "natural" ground I suppose? if so it's on their end

[small cypress]

I published a performance related update for both TerraMesh and LethalElements, it should speed up meshification stuff + will fix weird bugs on some of the moons with multiple terrain tiles (like wesley's)

1.2.81b

• Much better VFX collision detection
• Snow doesn't appear underwater anymore
• Fixed some bugs with ice on moons with moving water level
• Added options in the config to limit FPS on cameras used for collision detection
• Fixed bugs with VSM depth map baking
• Made async processing truly parallel, should speed up mesh algorithms significantly
• Fixed a very rare bug with black screen appearing due to errors with TerraMesh

[compact hollow]

What exactly does the camera limit fps refer to?

[small cypress]

in order to "see" where players step or particles should collide with there are some low res cameras that act as eyes, in simple terms

this is for them, like how frequently they update their picture

[small cypress]

so i've tried this on the latest version and i cannot reproduce this neither on auralis nor solace

also i suggest to reenable snow tracks, because performance impact is basically zero and without that it's a massive pain when snow gets deeper than 40cm D:

also i see that you basically decreased every setting in graphics to the lowest possible option, i do not suggest to do this unless you understand the consequences

i mean these four

i suppose that box fog bug happened because you had vfx collision disabled and fog uses it to remove itself behind objects

[small cypress]

also why is there jimmy neutron's dad standing outside D:

[compact hollow]

You know what that makes sense because I re enabled that too! I will turn tracks back on and try upping some of those graphics settings. I removed some other mods and tweaked some stuff to hopefully help with performance also your new update should help too. As for Hugh neutron…. I plead the 5th

[crystal elm]

at line 5567: [Debug :WeatherTweaks] 20 Adamance is a planet where the combined lethal elements weather types should all be possible but they just don't exist

[small cypress]

You need to report it to mrov, I just create the weathers

[small cypress]

@cold dragon

[crystal elm]

[cold dragon]

oh no

[wise mirage]

I literally had the EXACT same thing happen to me

I sent a log in the help and troubleshooting but I had that adamance problem myself. The snow worked just fine but after a bit I (the host) could not hear my footsteps for the rest of the game.

[small cypress]

this report is from december...

[wise mirage]

Yes, and I had the exact same issue today

[small cypress]

where is the mentioned log tho?

also did you mess with configs

[wise mirage]

I sent the log in help and troubleshooting

I'll send it here though

And I have not messed with the configs at all

Like haven't even touched it

It was a blizzard and it was on adamance, the same moon and weather that guy I replied to had

well his was snowfall I think

that's the modpack I used

019568e3-3971-cc96-0f76-312b0f771f43

[small cypress]

did you have snow on the ground

[wise mirage]

I did, there was snow present outside on the moon

It was a one mod difference but the modpack I just sent had piggy's and that was the one I actually used

[small cypress]

i don't understand what is the problem tbh, in the case reported in december, weather was snow, it uses a different more optimized way of detecting collision.
yours is blizzard, for that weather snowflakes always fall very fast since they are blown by wind

also did you use imperium or something like this

[wise mirage]

Nope I was playing with a friend

I was the host

Not only that the footstep thing persisted through the rounds and couldn't even hear the suit change noise

[small cypress]

this is not on me, i don't touch suits

[wise mirage]

It was the footsteps and the suit audio that just went completely silent

There might've been other audio that went silent as well that I didn't catch on

[small cypress]

the only thing i touch are footsteps and i don't touch sounds themselves

[wise mirage]

I went into as much detail as I could on the help and troubleshooting, it mentions exact interior and everything

[small cypress]

they can only be incorrect if something goes wrong (like wooden sound instead of grass)

i will check once i have some time, but most likely it's something else

especially if this happened midround

[wise mirage]

Weird that other person had the near exact same thing on the same moon and with a similar weather. I appreciate you looking into this. I was so confused when it happened

[small cypress]

btw it wasn't the problem with this mod in that particular case

[wise mirage]

that's good right? Means it'll maybe be easier to figure the cause knowing it's not imp

[fleet juniper]

when disabling post processing (the games cartoon shader), the snow doesn't seem to hinder movement & reaches full height as soon as the level loads in

it only seems to work correctly if post processing is enabled when loading in & turning it off after, otherwise it won't work with pp disabled but since i'm changing the games graphics, this probably doesn't need a fix since it's a me problem and not a you problem

[small cypress]

I'd like to know the way you're disabling it, cause this is certainly weird

[fleet juniper]

i tested if it's a problem from the mods that disable it by themselves, but using either hdlethalcompany + hdlcpatch or DisablePostprocessing both cause the same issue

[violet zealot]

Doesn’t LethalSponge’s config allow for this?

[small cypress]

omg hdlethal company... i might check later, but in general this is a pretty old mod that doesn't take into account some things, so it might accidentally mess with the texture baking process

[fleet juniper]

hdlcpatch is a updated addon for hdlethalcomp

[small cypress]

It does work with sponge last time I checked

[fleet juniper]

i'll resort to using lethalsponge

[violet zealot]

I could be wrong but I think I saw that mentioned somewhere and I didn’t think it worked. I could be very wrong though

[violet zealot]

Wouldn’t consider it “resorting” to LethalSponge. It improves performance much more greatly than other mods to change the rendering system.

[fleet juniper]

i just read its mod page desc, i've been missing out by not using it sooner

[fallow ginkgo]

it does work it just patches a specific problem, it doesn't fix the way the mod does things as far as I know

[vital kindle]

yooo

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jPTtfmEIyGXHLEI4O?invite=cr-MSxLTFosMTY2MzEzOTQ3LA
https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/jPTxZr58gbXMBjAxn?invite=cr-MSw4MnQsMTY2MzEzOTQ3LA

I paired this mod with weather tweaks

that adds the mixed weathers and stuff

and now it doesn't work with "discount alerts"

can you guys patch that

[frail prism]

Hey voxx, it seems Wesleys Rubber Rooms create a log of lag with Solar Flare

Everytime the lights blinked, there were a lot of null reference exceptions thrown

[neon heath]

Suggestion: make the dropship change to the christmas jingle / model when its Snowfall or Blizzard

[small cypress]

This is on the interior author to fix, actually, but I will address it. This means their light will also not turn off when the apparatus is pulled.

[small cypress]

This is ultra weird, weather tweaks definitely cannot cause this. In theory neither should the sales mod unless it does something super unorthodox. I'm afraid I need your logs and mod pack code

[frail prism]

Yeah, even when I turned the powerbox off, the flickering lights made some of them stay on

[night widget]

rubber rooms does do something special with the lights (i think some lights can randomly shatter when you're near them) so perhaps that special thing is interacting weird with solar flare

[small cypress]

i use vanilla methods, though, so in general this will also have weird interactions with a breaker box and apparatus

the difference would be that the latter are one time events, so even if it errors out it's not noticeable

[night widget]

i don't think the rubber rooms has a breaker box

[fallow ginkgo]

it does yea

[vital kindle]

I got it fixed

dk hoiw

however now

Im having desync issues whenever I land on a lethal elements affected moon

my most recent logs

im going to remove that mod which condenses ur logs

cuz its lowk ass and makes it confusing

[crystal elm]

Lohk ass

[small cypress]

if it's literally any weather from here, its not this mod

[vital kindle]

alright

im just tryna find the issue lol

my fault

[dreamy kettle]

Is there any known incompatibility/reason and/or fix to weathers (particularly the snow and fog in the air from blizzards) disappearing when you teleport back to the ship from inside?
At least on bozoros in my testing rn, every single time I teleport back to the ship from inside the ambient blizzard effects go away - but the snow on the ground stays and the random big gust of wind effects are still unaffected.

[small cypress]

this might be a bug with how teleportation is implemented

you are not using the ship teleporter, right?

i know it happens constantly with Imperium

[brittle rain]

hey is there any known incompatibilities with other mods?, i would like to add it to my modpack so just to be sure

[small cypress]

i suppose this, but hd lethal is not recommended anyway

[dapper glen]

atp replacing hdlethal with lethalsponge is just the right answer

[dreamy kettle]

I'm talking about the ship's teleporter. I'm using either the whitespike portable teleporters or vega voice commands to teleport, also just checked and it seems to happen even on vanilla moons like adamance.

[small cypress]

it's not a moon thing

[small cypress]

i do not disable or enable effects myself, Weather Registry does this

so i can assume if those teleporters are not accounted for there, then it will keep the same state

[small cypress]

@cold dragon

[brittle rain]

thanks, and something like lategame upgrades could have problems?, since heatwave and the stamina upgrades change how the stamina functions, i remember back then(when the mods community was starting) things like this would not be compatible, idk how it is now

[dreamy kettle]

Ah ok, ty.

[small cypress]

oh idk, i do it very late, so it might actually override the upgrades

nobody reported anything and i don't use ot personally so can't say for sure

[brittle rain]

ok then i would see if it works, and thanks, just yesterday i found this mod from a bozoros update and i was awake until 4:00 a.m playing it, it is so good and well thought, and using it with weathertweaks is peak

[small cypress]

niice, glad you're liking it
@green sleet thx for the promotion 🤭

[green sleet]

Every time the water freezing changes is a chance for a free™ promotion

I gotta add pictures of Snowfall and Toxic Smog to the main page actually, instead of being hidden compatibility if you happen to have both mods

Also Blackout

[vital kindle]

trudging through the snow is sick

it just feels awesome

[cold dragon]

oh god 💀

[brittle rain]

Ok so i tried it and it works perfectly, no problems at all yippee

[jolly panther]

A cool story i want to tell
When i play with friends, some of them don't really like Snowfall and Blizzard because they don't like being slown down etc. I myself still think these are bangers weathers, but for the sake of it I only have them enable and having a relatively medium spawn weight
But one day we finally got Blizzard weather on Tunere (the moon is already snowy by default, but Blizzard on top of it was INSANE!)
I was super excited, I could even hear on Spark Tower™️ in the horizon
I climbed the stairs to the main entrance, fighting against the strong winds and jumping in snow
One of my friend even changed his mind when he saw the actual visuals of Blizzard weather and what gameplay it creates etc
But then
Just after 30 seconds of playing the moon
A song was heard in the far distance
Oh boy, yes, someone was playing Song of Storms with the ocarina
Just like that, the weather got replaced directly by stormy and super stormy, and some thunder bolts even fell right next to me
Lmao, this was the first time i played Blizzard in an actual (non testing) lobby, but i didnt had chance to actually play it... all of this because of my very own creation🤣

[cold dragon]

Just like that, the weather got replaced directly by stormy and super stormy

I have an idea for you 🤭 🤭 🤭

[blazing slate]

Hurricane

[fiery siren]

wildfire

[coral flare]

I wanna check this mod out ngl

Are there any issues??

[neon heath]

I haven't had many issues and it's become more stable as time goes on. The snowfall weather particularly works unbelievably well, it feels like vanilla-integrated even on modded moons

[vagrant prawn]

yeah nothing really stands out

but if you're colorblind, apparently the toxic smog weather is really difficult to navigate

[jolly panther]

Combined?

[brittle rain]

What is super stormy??

[jolly panther]

It's stormy but with more thunder bolts + tornado

[brittle rain]

Is that a mod?

[torn arrow]

I'm curious about super stormy now too

Tell me more

[quasi quartz]

it's stormy but super

[torn arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-cat-what-did-you-say-cat-meme-meme-gif-14864906847378301422

[quasi quartz]

think like how superman is a man but super

[torn arrow]

Yeah
The ocean is made of water

[brittle rain]

[quasi quartz]

the floor is also made of floor

[brittle rain]

And the water is made of oceabn

[torn arrow]

Facts

[jolly panther]

wow thats some big brain moment here

anyway, super stormy is a "custom weather effect" that happens if you play the Song of Storms with the Ocarina when the weather is already stormy (or play the song 2 times if it's not already stormy)

[torn arrow]

Oh its ocarina effect

I thought it was custom weather such as supereclipse mod enhance it's eclipse lol

I wish that my conductive scrap was struck by lightning for 7 times at once
A truly magnificent experience

[brittle rain]

Would have been cool

Imagine a mod that made all the weather super

[torn arrow]

I despise fog
But the fog that literally sets my render distance to 0 is crazy

[brittle rain]

Imagine super fog, makes the fog like black or something

And staying too long in it starts to hurt idk

[torn arrow]

You mean blackout?

Blackout + toxic smog

[brittle rain]

Well... you know...

[torn arrow]

I dont know anything anymore lol

[brittle rain]

I haven't tried the blackout mod i didn't knew it did that

[torn arrow]

Oh

[brittle rain]

[torn arrow]

I mean blackout its not a fog but a feeling like you're routing at midnight on the moon
And it's pitch black everywhere

[brittle rain]

Yeah i heard about it but i haven't tried it yet

Welp idk how could a super fog work

Foggy outside and inside, and the fog covers the entire moon

[torn arrow]

Fr

[cold dragon]

yes 🤭

[jolly panther]

thats what i was asking myself also, since i added combined eclipsed weather effect for Job application
but i still don't know if it's the best way to do it lol
i mean yes i could do combined weathers for the song of storms but is that really what i want? eeeeeh im still thinking about it

[cold dragon]

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherRegistry/blob/95f679c7abdf798930ed4f21bb5c61affa5d9f02/WeatherRegistry/WeatherController.cs#L136

[jolly panther]

Im personally doing this https://github.com/ZigzagAwaka/PremiumScraps/blob/c2dbd5cbf1e75d420c3c2319b6e0a4ec7abaab24/PremiumScraps/Utils/Effects.cs#L319

it's not a question of how do i do it, but a question of if

Like in my little story i was sad to see blizzard gone in just 30 seconds of gameplay, but at the same time it was really funny lol

[acoustic fern]

is this suppose to happen

[sick ridge]

Looks like a reverb trigger or something didn't go off so the ShipWindows Black and Stars skybox never despawned, this isn't a bug with Lethal Elements or Ship Windows it's a bug with whatever moon you're playing on.

[acoustic fern]

Its snow

I dont use ship windows

its snowing inside the facility

[jolly panther]

tadada, weather inside the dungeon againnnnnnnnnn @cold dragon

did you rolled a dice?

[acoustic fern]

what

[jolly panther]

did you use an item from the Emergency Dice updated mod?

[acoustic fern]

nope