Lethal Elements

[quasi quartz]

for you

darmuh TerminalStuff also doesn't and had to disable both to get the 2 new weather to actually appear

(iirc same error in image above just referencing TerminalStuff's CruiserTerminal compat instead)

[fiery siren]

turnsout its not loading the new weather :[

[small cypress]

@quasi quartz @sleek jungle i pushed an update that will fix the terminal thing

[small cypress]

there's probably something after that, because this will still allow weather to work (regarding the SnowHindranceTranspiler)

also i'd appreciate if on top of a report you guys would give me a code for your pack, its definitely one of the mods conflicting here

[quasi quartz]

so is Blizzard "basically" just Snowfall but faster + wind + frostbite

[small cypress]

yup, it's just a harder variant

[quasi quartz]

gotcha

[small cypress]

there are some additional things like dogs hearing being worse in the wind

also bees should be blocked from spawning during blizzard, but i know this part doesn't work for some reason

[sick ridge]

I don't think weathers can control enemy spawns is why

It's based on what the moon has setup

[small cypress]

i do it in a really fucked up way via patching the enemy list of the moon on landing

[sick ridge]

Lol oh boy

[fiery siren]

oh yeah one sec

[simple fiber]

don't do this lmao

[small cypress]

how else can i stop it?

[sick ridge]

Yeah I thought it sounded like a bad idea XD

[simple fiber]

theres a function somewhere you can prepatch when the game tries to roll for stuff

[small cypress]

in the roundmanager during the spawn wave?

[simple fiber]

ye more ideally

[fiery siren]

0193ec8a-9d00-71ca-27cf-aa0b07e3b253

[small cypress]

ah ok, i mean i cache and put everything back afterwards right now :S

but this is better yeah

[simple fiber]

yeah but depending on other mods yknow

[sick ridge]

Looks like we're getting another update

[simple fiber]

like i touch those lists on moon load (but not where you touch them so its practically fine but)

[small cypress]

maybe later, i'm not even home today D:

this patch is most likely not doing anything right now, so it's not a huge deal

[small cypress]

yeah i remember this stuff about replacing the references to scriptable objects, i think the problem is that the check doesn't pass or something because the weather is not set at that point yet, oh well

[simple fiber]

naur this is different to that

the usecase im talking about is lll enemies can have weights for specific interiors so that gets injected on moon load

more-so pointing out that this kind of thing can happen

[small cypress]

aah ic ic

[simple fiber]

would have to test but possibly a cleaner way would be to prefix patch these three, set rarity to 0 and restore on postfix

slightly more precise cut into the game

[sick ridge]

@small cypress Endox has discovered some funny bugs with Blizzard

It's applying stuff from other moons to different moons

[small cypress]

noice, thx for the heads up, i'll look into those

[sick ridge]

[small cypress]

ok i know what is the deal

[sick ridge]

I am very curious lol

[small cypress]

it creates a copy of the ground to put snow on it and i assumed it would be deleted when the moon unloads, but it parents by default to the scene with the ship i suppose

it's just the snow part that is floating, right?

bozoros is still terrain, right?

[green sleet]

If it's that you can just parent it to RoundManager.Instance.mapPropsContainer and it should unload when taking off

Yeah

[small cypress]

ok bingo

[green sleet]

Haven't meshified it, but at least there's snow already lol

[small cypress]

this happens when you go from a moon with terrain to another one lol

[quasi quartz]

cool

[simple fiber]

no parent defaults to active scene which is the ship scene ye

[small cypress]

yeah i forgot to account for this for terrain but didn't for processing vanilla meshes

[simple fiber]

your just accidently falling into the rabbit hole of processing vanilla meshes once and storing them for later re-use 😄

[small cypress]

hmm, love me some caching

[quasi quartz]

monkeycatluna the crunchy cat emoji we love perfection

[small cypress]

fixed in the latest hotfix

also bee patch disabled temporarily

[gray junco]

So I added the beta (I know its experimental and it just came out but I got so many errors whenever I booted it up in my hard mode modpack right as I got into the ship. Got any ideas?)

[sick ridge]

Probably relating to the terminal stuff that has already been fixed

[gray junco]

Awesome! I'll wait for it to come out on the modding page.

[cold dragon]

HOLY SHIT IT'S HAPPENING 🔥🔥🔥

can't wait to test it

[wise mirage]

1.26 or 1.15 scrap value multiplier for blizzard sound better?

[sick ridge]

That seems extremely high

[wise mirage]

which one?

the 1.26?

[sick ridge]

Both sound too high

Like 1.8 is already a lot

[wise mirage]

1.15 for the new blizzard?

[sick ridge]

Unless it counts those as lower

[wise mirage]

I'm confused? I don't have a 1.8, 1.8 is insane multiplier lol

[sick ridge]

Yeah

[quasi quartz]

if ur considering 1 as 0.4 yeah it's high...

[wise mirage]

Weather registry's weather multipliers

A 1 in weather registry is 0.4

[quasi quartz]

yeah I nkow

[wise mirage]

It's scaled idk how to word it

[quasi quartz]

dunno where high is coming from unless scrap amount is also factored in to that

which I guess true since default scrap amount is default 1.4

[sick ridge]

I'm dissociating a little so I think I was mathing it weird

lol

[quasi quartz]

lol

[glad sonnet]

I was mesmerized

[verbal shell]

No way you added the northern Midwest to lethal company

[indigo hollow]

My game (No pun intended) freezes here

0193ed32-f1e1-3d24-a86d-e9cedc5b4896

[sleek jungle]

Remove lethal performance

[sick ridge]

That is not a solution

[sleek jungle]

O

[sick ridge]

LethalPerformance optimizes a ton of things

I would doubt it's the issue here

Unless it's erroring

[sleek jungle]

Yes but it said in the known issues

That lethal performance can cause freezing

[sick ridge]

Hmmmm

Well that would be something for Voxx and @visual pendant to work out together

[visual pendant]

wdym know issue

[sick ridge]

Probably under known issues for the Beta

[visual pendant]

well it's not my problem that it stucks to triangulate a mesh

he should limit the tries of triangulating a mesh

https://github.com/wo80/Triangle.NET/issues/39

[indigo hollow]

Oh yikes, that blizzard sound

Imo, it'd be better /w Rend/Dine's blizzard ambience rather than the commonly used stock one

This shit is PEAK though aside from that

[sleek jungle]

So pretty

[sick ridge]

Yeah no I had a feeling it wasn't really an issue with your mod since it wouldn't have made sense

[sleek jungle]

Yeah, my bad I should have clarified in the beginning instead of saying to remove someone’s mod

[sick ridge]

Ye

You're all good

[indigo hollow]

I ended up disabling it anyway

[sick ridge]

I just am gonna wait for Voxx to fix the issues on his end

LethalPerformance is too essential lol

[indigo hollow]

I noticed Purple wasn't using it in their modpack, and I've never had any fps issues playing in it either

[indigo hollow]

It's nice, but I'd rather put it off to the side for now in favor of being able to use cool shit

[visual pendant]

he sets steiner points to -1 causing an infinity loop

[sick ridge]

Ahhh that makes a lot of sense

[sick ridge]

Well from how DiFFoZ is describing things you could run into the issue even without LethalPerformance I think the fault being on LP is just due to rng

[indigo hollow]

Well, it works now, so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sick ridge]

Yeah but I'm still just gonna wait since I imagine Voxx will hotfix it later

[visual pendant]

well nice then

[indigo hollow]

I'm keeping both though (But disabled) since this is indeed a temporary issue

[sick ridge]

And I'll be doing the Bingo stream today anyways and I'm unsure if I will do a stream with my normal group or not. My group is slowly disbanding for Holiday stuff but I do wanna showcase the LE update

[indigo hollow]

Read LE as LethalExpansion

[sick ridge]

I forgot about LethalExpansion's existence lol

Since it's been deprecated for a while now

[indigo hollow]

It's in my heart

Callisto... I'll never forget you

Even though I've visited you literally once, and never again after that

v1 Orion too, I guess

[opaque otter]

is this freeze a big issue or is it just one huge lag spike

[summer mist]

I'm pretty sure i remember the agent being disabled on all clients

I've had issues with it before too

Accidently doing calculations on clients and it causing problems

[somber hemlock]

huh good to know if that's the case I guess, I just never noticed any indication of that

[summer mist]

Async loggers log brought it to my attention, and then I thought about it and it made sense

I use network transforms anyway

[spice axle]

snow playgrounds works so well with the snowfall

[summer mist]

I need to see this weather with bear traps

[spice axle]

found a bug at the end of the day were if the snow is high enough you can just crouch inside the snow

[proven mason]

Oh god

[spice axle]

i put all weathers to 0 other then blizzard and snowfall and yet im only getting these and now no blizzard or snowfall?????

is there something im missing???

[small cypress]

Oh snap, thx for the find, I just didn't have this happen even once during testing before I started adding other mods and it was fixed when I removed LP, but seems it was just a coincidence. Sorry for the blame

[cold dragon]

send me your logs - all weights that are set and the weights used for picking weathers will be printed there

[small cypress]

I'll just limit the Steiner points to half of the amount of original ones and it should fix everything

[small cypress]

Did you restart the save?

[spice axle]

how do i send logs

[cold dragon]

😇

[cold dragon]

oh dear

and that's because

only Snowfall and Blizzard have a default weight, which means that a moon that doesn't have them as an option (such as Experimentation) won't have anything to pick from

resulting in a crash

[spice axle]

how do i fix it

[cold dragon]

set None default weight to 1

and that should be it

[spice axle]

oh okay thx!

[cold dragon]

if you want to have Snowfall and Blizzard on every moon, remove everything that's set in Level filters for both of them

so they get picked on those moons

[spice axle]

so i delete all of these right?

[cold dragon]

exactly

it might look bad on those moons (that's why the weather creator made that list), but it's ultimately your choice

[spice axle]

just for snow and blizzard right

[cold dragon]

yeah

[spice axle]

ok thx

[small cypress]

These are planets that don't make sense with snow, like hot deserts or volcanos

[cold dragon]

OH, by the way (since i'm not sure i told you)

you can use LLL tags in those lists

[small cypress]

I wanted to ask how should I initialize stuff now since the old way was marked deprecated, and LLL tags is 🔥

[spice axle]

works thank you!!!!

[cold dragon]

no worries 😅

[cold dragon]

i wanted to make configuring everything more streamlined 🥲

let me get that screenshot for ya

[small cypress]

You can also point me where to look at, I just updated the nuget package for registry yesterday (it was on on July version ) and saw that so didn't have the time to check the proper way lol

[cold dragon]

no worries

i've made sure that the "old way" still works

but made everything scream at you 🤭

alrighty, i've copied the code from decompiled version of your plugin:

[small cypress]

There's a source code now btw

[cold dragon]

OH

[small cypress]

Link at the bottom of the readme

[cold dragon]

alrighty

the change is really simple

OH i've fucked it up completely

will fix, thanks

nontheless: that's after

[summer mist]

Me waiting on mrov to point me to the non obsolete registry version for the last 3 months

[cold dragon]

😳

did i not do that

[summer mist]

No

[cold dragon]

fuck

[summer mist]

Lol

My config stuff is still using the old code

[cold dragon]

it's still gonna work tho

[cold dragon]

if you want to change it, here's the pointer

[summer mist]

I know but it's STILL obsolete 😭

[cold dragon]

instead of all Obsolete stuff right now, move that info Config object

[summer mist]

Icic okay

[cold dragon]

that's a warning that i will remove it someday 🥺

[summer mist]

Exactly lmao

[cold dragon]

waiting for y'all to move tho so nothing breaks

[green sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/sisyphus-rael-gif-943215023730044045

[cold dragon]

and because i've already forgot: to use LLL tag (for example Desert) input it just like you would any level name with a $ sign in front (so for example $Desert)

it's gonna get resolved dynamically 😇

[night widget]

what moon is that??

[fallow canyon]

Christmas came a couple days early 😍

[night widget]

what's the difference between blizzard and snowfall?

[cold dragon]

snowfall is snow fall, blizzard is snowfall + winds

[night widget]

how is arcadia blizzardable when its hot in the blizzard out hot blizzard cold the hot blizzard hot cold eat the food

offense is in the blizzard level filter twice?

[cold dragon]

to be sure to be sure

what tags does LLL use for hot moons?

[night widget]

there's no temperature tags but typically canyon for desert moons like offense and assurance, plus wasteland for experimentation

[cold dragon]

add $Canyon; $Wasteland to your level filters

[night widget]

:tuhmbup:

this will be fine

[cold dragon]

you should be able to use it even without the dollar signs

All, Company, Modded, Custom and Vanilla are handled by Registry already

[night widget]

why is company a handled thing? why would you need weather at the company?

[cold dragon]

i need the weather not to be at the company

[night widget]

it has a weight of 10000 with the level filter set to all but i'm not seeing it

[small cypress]

Oooh, nice, gonna move to the new pipeline in the next hotfix then

[cold dragon]

hmm

what's in yer logs?

[small cypress]

Oh yeah, I wanted to ask if it's possible to override the sun animator only occasionally or control it from my side? Basically I want "overcast" true for snowfall most of the time (let's say 80% of cases) but set it to true occasionally, because it would look cool to have bright snowy weather rarely

[cold dragon]

you could change it in a postfix on WeatherRegistry.Patches.OpeningDoorsSequencePatch.RunWeatherPatches

it's called before any effects are turned on

and so you could change the sun animator before it's resolved

[night widget]

i can't be bothered to read through the logs for what actually matters for this so here's the log file. i think all the important stuff is near the bottom?

[cold dragon]

could you send me your modpack code?

i need to investigate further

[small cypress]

Aaand also I wanted to create combined variants, specifically eclipsed + solar flare, and snowy + flooded. Can I see an example of that somewhere, I assume I'd need weather tweaks for that?

[cold dragon]

actually that gives me an idea for a feature

[cold dragon]

that only works with LevelWeatherType values right now

[night widget]

blizzard appeared fine on rend before i touched the config but after setting its weight to 10000, setting snowfall to 0, messing with the level filters to only be moons i had, and then setting the level filter to all it doesn't appear it won't appear

[night widget]

0193ee8e-7531-2e3d-eba8-b91cbdd24eeb this should be it

[cold dragon]

it should work with whatever the Weather.VanillaWeatherType value is, but I'm planning on making a proper way to handle custom weathers in that

[small cypress]

I don't wanna mess with animation overrides, I just thought maybe there's a method in registry that will set a specified boolean in the controller on demand

[cold dragon]

the way you want it? no 😧

[small cypress]

Did you reset the save file?

[cold dragon]

but you could just change it AND hook to a function that triggers every landing to do your magic

[night widget]

made a new save file yeah

[cold dragon]

without touching animation overrides

since i've implemented that thing wrong nontheless

FUN

[cold dragon]

blizzard is only on gordion

lol

[night widget]

?????

did i do it wrong

[cold dragon]

you have blacklisted all levels, yeah

[night widget]

OH IT'S A BLACKLIST

[cold dragon]

those two options work together, yeah 🥲

switch Filtering option to true and it should be good

will make the description more clear in next release

[night widget]

nevermind about arcadia being blizzardable when its hot in the blizzard out hot blizzard cold the hot blizzard hot cold eat the food i misread the config

[small cypress]

I still don't follow

So each moon should already have special animation clips in there. But it seems like you use an animation override controller and supply your own clips? Why just not set the bool value and use existing ones?

[cold dragon]

i am doing that

if a weather animation clip is defined, it's going to be used

if not, i use the ones that are there already

just overriding which ones show up

it was messing something in weathertweaks, i honestly can't remember what it was tbh

[night widget]

alright now i'm getting somewhere

[small cypress]

So basically idk what I should be touching to force sunny weather and at which point

[night widget]

why is blizzard not on exp, assurance, offense, vow and fray by default?

[cold dragon]

cause hot

[cold dragon]

OH, i see what you want right now!

reading and comprehension failed

[night widget]

on cambrian with blizzard you slightly float?

[cold dragon]

do you want to use sunny sky for the entire day or to toggle it whenever?

[small cypress]

for the entire day but only sometimes

[cold dragon]

just change ImprovedWeatherEffect.SunAnimatorBool before the effect gets enabled

    [HarmonyPatch(typeof(WeatherRegistry.OpeningDoorsSequencePatch), "RunWeatherPatches")]
    [HarmonyPostfix]
    private static void RunYourCodeAfterLandingButBeforeEffectEnablingHere(){
      // your code
    }

like so

[night widget]

???

also seems to break terrain textures on experimentation somehow

with specifically lethalelements enabled (or atleast blizzard), i can't land on ichor. i pull the lever, it gives me an error (something about the player animator) and the loading screen never appears, i'm locked in orbit for eternity

[sudden arrow]

sector-0 is throwing errors about no ground thickness

[night widget]

sector-0 has no terrain, perhaps that relates?

[sudden arrow]

also it also froze the water inside of chizra temple? It looked really wierd

[night widget]

ah it probably doesn't account for inside water

[sudden arrow]

you were able to hear the blizzard in the rooms with "open ceilings" which was pretty cool, but the frozen water in chizra doesn't seem to work properly

[small cypress]

Please read the known issues in readme

[small cypress]

This is why it's blocked

There's no ground

[sudden arrow]

wdym blocked

[night widget]

ah i didn't see that sorry

[sudden arrow]

blacklisted?

[night widget]

yeah sector-0 is blacklisted by default

[small cypress]

It doesn't touch interiors because freezing water there can make sections of the dungeon blocked from each other

[night widget]

huh, then is chizra doing something weird?

oh wait no it isn't, found frozen water in mineshaft

[sudden arrow]

I wasn't on a tundra moon though.

[night widget]

yeah blizzard is freezing the water, not the tundra tag

[small cypress]

Oh boy, I need to add a check for that this shouldn't happen

[night widget]

what does the big wave of wind do other than have loud broken audio?

[sudden arrow]

blizzard slightly pushes you

[night widget]

sometimes when you crouch in snow you can see through it, other times it does this weird looking flashbang effect

also old bird rockets destroying snow?

on summit

there isn't usually terrain here

okay this specific spot is a bit more of a problem because this is main, the main entrance is completely inaccessible, and you can only access fire on summit through the facility

snow on the radar goes over the ui

bugs i've found with blizzard on specifically my moons
sierra and fray: wind sounds and snow particles just, aren't there until you've exited the interior. probably something i need to fix? don't know how though

cambrian: you float slightly above the ground, also the ice doesn't seem to be at the same spot as the actual water normally is

temper: improves visibility somehow?

all: the wind wall spawned but it just, didn't move. it was stuck in place. also, all the particles were cyan instead of white which looked really weird. screenshot is attached

[vital kettle]

I wanna see maritopia with snow

[buoyant flicker]

host and client different pov when under the snow (blizzard)

[summer mist]

as intended clearly

[spice axle]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[fallow canyon]

The snowfall animation keeps speeding up to insane speeds, that normal?

Snow piles up outside the Vow main entrance but doesn't do anything, doesn't slow you, blind you or go away when you walk through it

Although clearing it with a shovel still works.

[sudden arrow]

well it is a blizzard lmao

[fallow canyon]

not a bug, it's just... it's so pretty 🥹

[summer mist]

how dare you

bug reports only

get this man outta here

https://tenor.com/view/tense-table-smash-mad-gif-13656077

[verbal shell]

hm

how stable is it actually im seeing a bunch of reports that it works and then also doesnt lmao

[small cypress]

regarding the filter that is applied under snow: it is very problematic to understand when the player is under it because this would require a dynamically changing mesh collider which doesn't exist. I only approximate this by comparing feet position + snow thickness against eye level, so when you're very close to the edge between snow and air these inconsistencies happen. I'm afraid i don't know how to solve this

[small cypress]

so this is intentional because you're in completely different positions

[night widget]

you could probably make the filter a bit less bright

[small cypress]

there's is a config setting

[spice axle]

found a bug with blizzard were you cant climb a ladder because of the wind

[verbal shell]

you should have the option to lick metal objects in blizzard so then your tounge gets stuck to it forever and you cant move
/hj

[fallow canyon]

It works wonderfully (on vanilla moons at least), there's just some bugs and jankiness here and there

[night widget]

half joking???

[verbal shell]

itwouldseemtroll

you mean you dont wanna get stuck to a metal pole?

[night widget]

ah i forgot configs exist

[fallow canyon]

I know nothing about anything, but is it at all possible to give the snow collision so the player walks on top of it?

If somehow it is, I'm thinking you could add a collision layer or something below the snow that's at the right height to ensure the player camera never sinks below the actual snow in the first place.

[small cypress]

this is because of mesh smoothing, i'm gonna add a blacklist so you could block some moons from mesh postprocessing manually.
It is unfeasible to know how every single moon is setup so some of them won't work. This is exactly why your moons except temper are blacklisted. There're too many trees on fray that will prevent the snow from projecting from the sky, sierra is too enclosed (and there are heatwave particles for god's sake), cambrian is full of water that will prevent snow from accumulating too. Increased visibility on temper is intentional, it adds +15 meters of visibility if it's below a limit

[night widget]

the heatwave particles actually got removed once it got remastered

[small cypress]

no, because physics engine will not play nice with a dynamically changing collider

[fallow canyon]

rip

[small cypress]

something is preventing my code from capturing the depth buffer, this is the cause of both errors

[fallow canyon]

I see.

[night widget]

what if i make the targetvertexcount 1

[small cypress]

so yeah when you report errors please give me a log (with debug output) and at least a modlist with steps to reproduce the error. otherwise i need clairvoyance to understand some of the reported errors here

[small cypress]

boom

[small cypress]

oh man i thought i fixed this, i'll check thx

[spice axle]

thx!

[fallow canyon]

About the under the snow filter, you can make it some kind of grey-ish snow-colored texture (maybe it can have a variable brightness too depending on local conditions), so it would just look like your screen is entirely snow, rather than having the screen become the sun.

[sudden arrow]

it might be better to whitelist vanilla moons only if you are scared of encountering issues

[night widget]

i think someone oughta bring a shovel

[verbal shell]

skill issue

[spice axle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-snow-storm-landed-gif-12899059

[verbal shell]

its neat to want plants get covered with code rebirth lol

[small cypress]

regarding the wave and missing vfx: if you use Imperium and pause time or at any point teleport, all weather effects will break

[night widget]

i don't use imperium

[small cypress]

also it is cyan for a reason, otherwise it's practically impossible to undertand when it's coming (same reason why there's a loud audio there)

[night widget]

i suppose that's fair

maybe config option to make it white

[small cypress]

if there's lots of demand, otherwise no for now

[small cypress]

which mods are you using? i never had this happen before during testing

[night widget]

fair enough

[fallow canyon]

Oh, I guess it's a conflict then. Here's my profile 0193ef77-f3af-0996-4be6-e65eded61bc8, but I'll do some more testing and try to narrow it down myself in a bit.

[vital kettle]

idk if this is known already but snow particles go through the ship with melanies 2 story ship mod

[fallow canyon]

That happens on vanilla as well, I think it's known.

[vital kettle]

ohhh mbmb

would it be possible to make the blizzard/snowy weather temporarily add a tundra tag to the moon its active on for compatibility with skins that correspond to biomes?

[small cypress]

uuh, idk how dangerous it is to change such things at runtime. I'm pretty sure these are meant to be static, so this might cause weird behaviors with other mods.

[vital kettle]

oh yeah probably

then the skin registry better add weather skin injections

or weathers as tags

[small cypress]

if it doesn't modify original NavigationSurfave layer then it would not be affected by particles

[vital kettle]

epic

im trying it on maritopia btw

weird seeing it frozen over

obvs the snow layers dont spawn but

i just wanted to see the water frozen

[small cypress]

i didn't add it to the blacklist for the sake of blizzard >:)

mmm windy skyscrapers

[vital kettle]

i had to blacklist march in my pack cause of chameleon

since it makes march always have a train effect

and they stack

sad times

[small cypress]

I think they need to add compat for weather registry and only enable it for clear weather

[vital kettle]

similar to how snowy artifice does it?

also for some reason the snow paths aint working for me

appear on the map tho

[small cypress]

idk how it does this , but it's definitely shouldn't just be enabled unconditionally like it is now, but it is a minor detail easy to miss

[small cypress]

there's no ground

and the map renders every single layer it seems, even ones i use for hiding the tracker

[vital kettle]

ohhhh makes sense

so it should work on just regular ground then?

also is there a specific reason blizzard is disabled on vow

[night widget]

maritopia has no terrain

[small cypress]

yeah it works only on actual "earth" terrain

[small cypress]

no, just to make march a bit more special

[vital kettle]

ahhh that makes sense

tyty

[vital kettle]

ill renabled it on vow then

[small cypress]

it works there, but trees block the wind constantly so not a lot of change

[vital kettle]

i like that mindset ngl

[vital kettle]

ahhh fairs

[vital kettle]

since its disabled on march for me for now

Reign + blizzard would probably be hell

and tauralis

gonna try that out actually

also i doubt its compatible with derelict

but correct me if im wrong

cause im curious on how it would interact with that moon

[small cypress]

it works

[vital kettle]

oh damn

i might disable it anyways

cause

thats one too many gimmicks to worry about id say

[fiery siren]

the new weather are now registering just fine

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-tyler-gif-22297480

[sleek jungle]

So if we find a moon with ground thickness errors we just blacklist it right?

I’m assuming it’s up to the moon dev to fix that not LE

[verbal shell]

Also post it here so others who have it can blacklist it

[sleek jungle]

Railroad Ridge

[fiery siren]

my computer crashed while landing on blizzard dine

[verbal shell]

too much snow

fr fr

[fiery siren]

ironic

[verbal shell]

trust

[small cypress]

did it crash or just froze

[fiery siren]

first it was stuttering while trying to load it

and then it just froze and restarted

its a quite decent pc honestly

no gpu, but still packs a punch

lowered some snow graphics, lets see if it fixes something

[sleek jungle]

My brain cell when the flashlight I dropped fell through the snow

[small cypress]

this is not normal, it works for me on the same planet on a laptop. it's probably a conflict or something

[fiery siren]

tried it again but on snowfall, loaded just fine

https://medal.tv/pt/games/lethal-company/clips/jkXbmROja2XysiEaq

also one funny thing i found on snowfall

the snow starts to gradually speed up when falling lmfao

[night widget]

the exponential snow

[small cypress]

i need logs

[fiery siren]

oh uh one sec

it always copies the most recent log right?

[small cypress]

i guess so, but this doesn't have debug logs so idk, at least there are no errors so it's probably rendering

[fiery siren]

yyyyyyyeah, most likely

[small cypress]

have you already sent me your modpack code? i can't find it

to reproduce this

[fiery siren]

let me send it again

0193efd9-b056-a72e-292d-b3b46341b7bd

i mightve turned off debug without knowing, but idk

[fallow canyon]

You reckon it's possible to prevent earthworms from leaving trails while underground?

[small cypress]

they do? yeah i'll fix it

[fallow canyon]

They definitely do for me, it's a bit bizarre and kinda cheeses them by telling you where they are.

[fallow canyon]

To come back to this, it appears this is a combination of two things:

1. The snow piling up at the entrance appears to be a conflict with Diversity
2. Even with Diversity disabled, on most of the "sidewalk" area by Vow's main entrance the snow still doesn't interact with the player properly. I tested this with all other mods disabled except LCBetterSaves.

[small cypress]

this is normal to some extent because as soon as you step off the ground snow stops affecting you and it's pretty hard to understand when the ground is still close enough that it's peeking trough the topmost object... I have an idea but it's a bit convoluted, so I left it for now
Diversity probably adds custom passes that block my camera from taking a snapshot of the level, I'll look into this, thank you!

[fallow canyon]

Ah, makes sense. Either way it's not as bad without the snow piling up all over that area, so probably not really an issue.

[small cypress]

btw i cannot do it, cuz you marked the Config property as internal

[green sleet]

<PackageReference Include="BepInEx.AssemblyPublicizer.MSBuild" Version="0.4.2" PrivateAssets="all" />
<PackageReference Include="mrov.WeatherRegistry" Version="0.3.9" Publicize="true" />

<- (Had to patch a WeatherRegistry method)

lol

[small cypress]

ye, but no 😠

[green sleet]

Understandable, I don't really like it from a programming point of view...

As in principle-wise

[small cypress]

i'll just wait for the fix

[green sleet]

Actually I just realized I don't need this Publicize flag anymore for the thing I was doing with WeatherRegistry, encapsulation is saved

[sudden arrow]

gotta say though, the snowfall looks so beautiful

it reminds me of the beautiful times back when snow was actually real

[fiery siren]

fr..........

^ (never experienced snow in their entire life)

[sudden arrow]

oh dang

[fiery siren]

average tropical country resident

[sudden arrow]

it snowed once this year but it was more of a snowish rain

[fallow canyon]

I thought snow was an original idea by voxx

[fiery siren]

bro snow is so cool.....

i wished voxx added it to real life..

[verbal shell]

i get snow cold hell yearly

[small cypress]

Ok, new update with a bunch of fixes:

[1.2.2b]

• Fixed problems on Experimentation
• Added config to blacklist planets with a mesh terrain from postprocessing it
• Worms no longer create trails when borrowed
• Fixed dropping from ladders in wind, now only happens when you're too cold to hold the metal bars
• Made chilling wave vfx dynamically resize depending on the level size
• Slightly recolored ice particles in the wave
• Changed under snow filter to be less intrusive (may change again)
• Improved snow collision detection
• Fixed incompatibility with Diversity
• Fixed a random infinite loop bug while triangulating
• Moons without proper ground will now work with the blizzard weather (without the fluffy snow part)
• Fixed freezing water in interiors

[sick ridge]

Btw cus you made the previous version 1.2.11 it probably won't count 1.2.2 as newer

[small cypress]

zamn true

[small cypress]

fixed

[verbal shell]

this is true

[small cypress]

<@&1264305793440681984> can someone pin this, please? it's already in oblivion D:
#1268919667347427390 message

[verbal shell]

you should put that in #dev-moons too maybe?

[night widget]

my moons except temper are not blacklisted, only fray is blacklisted by default

[small cypress]

btw did you use the terramesh tool or it uses unity terrain?

[small cypress]

oh snap i tested there but forgot to put them in D;

[modest temple]

Oh

moon is vow. when crouching on ice it sends you underwater

[small cypress]

despite me disabling the water script unity still executes collision events, being weird as hell as usual T_T

[simple fiber]

disabling a monobehaviour

-Runs OnDisable

-Stops Update, LateUpdate & FixedUpdate from running

thats about it

it wouldn't stop collision events from firing because it inherently doesn't have that kind of control over how the c# works

[small cypress]

omg, i thought it stops everything or maybe at least checks the flag

ok then it makes sense

[simple fiber]

naurrr

its actually a good thing it only does that in practice because you can use it as a general update toggle kinda thing

[small cypress]

uploaded the fix

[modest temple]

tyyy

[winter mortar]

@small cypress can you ping me in like 1 hour if nobody else has done it, I am at work

[indigo hollow]

Getting abt 30-40 fps in the snowfall weather

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[opal ridge]

vow still have some water junk if snow

[small cypress]

please check that you're indeed on v1.2.30

[opal ridge]

oh

did y'all update like 5 seconds ago?

[small cypress]

an hour, but it takes a while to appear

[opal ridge]

ah ok

sorry

also suggestion

[indigo hollow]

Oh btw

[opal ridge]

maybe make a weather that affects inside enemies

[indigo hollow]

Does Snowfall/Blizzard mess with the spawn curves in any way?

[verbal shell]

appeared for me

rn

[opal ridge]

like how eclipsed does

[small cypress]

as opposed to? i mean all of these fancy effects do not come for free, so expect trouble if your pc can't handle it. there are no errors from my side in the logs, but you do have something spamming audioreverbtrigger errors, maybe it's that?

[small cypress]

no

[indigo hollow]

I haven't had fps issues /w any other weather, and I have a pretty beefy GPU

I'll look into the audioreverbtrigger thing

That's

interesting

getting less lag on Blizzard for some reason...

[small cypress]

ok that is strange because it is actually more performance intensive

[small cypress]

boop

[indigo hollow]

Scratches head

Nvm I'm getting 50 fps now that the blizzard actually hit lmao

[small cypress]

i'd try checking without any other mods to see if it's indeed just graphics taking too much

[indigo hollow]

But it was fine b4

[small cypress]

wdym hit? the wave?

i still don't understand how much of a drop you're seeing, what's the normal fps like for you?

[indigo hollow]

Yeah

When the blizzard itself actually hit (The wave)

Dropped to 40

[winter mortar]

There ya go @small cypress

Appreciate the patience

[verbal shell]

so sad that @tribal viper died of ligma

[indigo hollow]

Who the fuck is Jeb?

[verbal shell]

discord bot that let mod creators pin shit in there own threads with a command

[indigo hollow]

The joke went over your head and into a tower 😭

[verbal shell]

it is my duty to miss every joke possible because I am extreamly bad at detecting them

[green sleet]

You have both JesterStompShake and ShowCapacity in your pack, they're both comically unoptimized lol

#1253705079605956640 message

Probably a few other mods causing lag, but those are pretty heavy on performance just overall

[indigo hollow]

They're fine everywhere else though

My game is capped at 60 anyway

[indigo hollow]

This is what I meant

[green sleet]

JesterStompShake searches through all objects every frame, even without a Jester, even in orbit

[indigo hollow]

Lmao wtf

[green sleet]

Anyone playing your pack on a lower-end PC will appreciate the removal of those two mods

[indigo hollow]

I mainly play solo and /w another guy, so nah

[verbal shell]

I know but im just stupid and it flew over my head

lmao

[indigo hollow]

Trollface

[wise mirage]

has the recent updates for the blizzad make it work with LP?

[indigo hollow]

Yuh

[wise mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-levitating-homer-simpson-levitating-homer-simpson-ascending-homer-simpson-meme-gif-22971083

[green sleet]

Well if you're getting frame drops disabling those two is something to consider, I don't think Blizzard could affect your frames as much as them 💀

[indigo hollow]

I'll see

Hopefully it isn't ☠️

[indigo hollow]

NO FUCKING WAY

☠️

IT WAS THEM

[green sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emoji-disintegrating-emoji-disappearing-meme-21st-century-gif-24891417

[indigo hollow]

120 FPS ON SNOWFALL LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WHAT THE FUCK

[green sleet]

DOUBLE your FPS with this one simple trick!

[fiery siren]

ALRIGHT, just tested the mod w/my gang

everything worked flawlessly

their only complaint is that the blizzard wave's sfx is too loud (might be their issue, idk)

but aside from that, all of it worked amazingly well! great job!!

[indigo hollow]

Weird glitch /w the solar flare's auroras

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For some reason, for only the host, the auroras are smushed into this spot to the left of the ship on Rend

[verbal shell]

Yeah I told you in dms but you didn’t listen smhhhhh

[indigo hollow]

I'll roast you over a campfire

(Pun intended)

[verbal shell]

New weather: wind storm

• it’s just really fucking loud (like realllly fucking loud)

You have to scream to be a tiny bit audible

[fiery siren]

that's an amazing idea LMFAO

coderebirth windy if it was better

[indigo hollow]

Soogoo experienced some issues /w the heatwave weathor
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Its heatstroke overlay remained both orbit, and the next round, despite it not being a heatwave then. The effected cooled off when he reentered the ship when we were landed, but it came back when he exited the ship

[verbal shell]

For a serious implementation could just be pretty loud and push you and scrap around the direction changing over time

With some nice particles

[fiery siren]

and makes climbing ladders even more dangerous

windy could work like how snowfall and blizzard is, while the tornado is a strong version of windy

[indigo hollow]

Only overlay btw

No stat changes

[fiery siren]

blizzard: stronger snowfall
tornado: stronger windy

[cold dragon]

OH, oopsie

[hallow holly]

🫡 gotta check out this sick mod soon

[spice axle]

how do i use the shovel on the snow?

nvm found out

[small cypress]

I think at this point these two mods should be either removed or deprecated on thunderstore, this is ridiculous

[quasi quartz]

B but

They just updated!!

[green sleet]

#1230485133233225749 message

Yeah they're working on it again lol

[quasi quartz]

https://tenor.com/view/kyoro-seal-seal-seal-explode-kyoro-gif-101729580990292231

[fallow canyon]

useful hairdryer mod when

[frank fable]

the snow can cut off text on the monitor

[night widget]

dirge from altmoons looks like this with blizzard

also on pelagia from altmoons, had trouble making paths in the snow

pelagia should probably be blacklisted from blizzard because it was absolutely horrible to play on, all the quicksand was invisible

[fiery siren]

thats altmoons problem

[slender lintel]

Dirge or pelagia?

Pelagia I wouldn't imagine is capable of snowing anyway if it's a swamp

For the dirge thing that's a shame if it's altmoons cause idk if that's being updated

[night widget]

with lethal elements disabled this didn't happen, i'm pretty sure it's a blizzard issue

[slender lintel]

Damn, still dunno for sure which has a problem but if Voxx can fix it then that's awesome sauce

[small cypress]

this is indeed altmoon's problem because all of these weird objects are triggers that are set to an incorrect game layer (they are on Default but should be on Trigger), so when my snow is rendered it forces them to become visible. There's no fix for that from my side. The reason they are originally not visible is that they have a broken rendering setting that I use for drawing snow, but this is not how objects are supposed to be hidden in unity anyway.

[night widget]

ah

[night widget]

@steep turret you gotta fix this...

[small cypress]

as for Pelagia... i actually don't know what to do with quicksand that is by default on some moons, it's logical that it gets covered by snow like it is now, but i understand why that would be annoying. I'll wait for more feedback...

and to make paths in the snow you need to be actively standing on the ground, so while you get sucked in by quicksand it doesn't work

[night widget]

even when standing on the terrain it didn't seem to work

[small cypress]

ah it's probably because the ground is extremely close to the water plane (which has a collider there) so sometimes near the transition between them the current setup gets confused

[night widget]

ah

yeah here's a screenshot of pelagia, most of it is mud and bridges. with blizzard, it all looks like snow

[small cypress]

i'm gonna sort this out in the future because for the same reason when there's something on top of the ground (like a concrete block) and it's pretty thin, then the snow might uppear from below, but it won't affect the player :S

[surreal prairie]

Weird visual bug with the snowfall here. On Offense

[sudden arrow]

wdym? You never saw spikey snow before?

seems normal to me

[surreal prairie]

lmfao that actually is a good arguement

[small cypress]

did you mess with any of the config settings? and which ones if so

[surreal prairie]

No its all default.

Not fully sure if this was from blizzard or something else. its the first time i've encountered it. No errors in logs either.

[small cypress]

this is probably not me

[small cypress]

ok, i did an oopsie and turned off one thing

[surreal prairie]

Seems to not be playing nice with DemonMaes moons.

[small cypress]

logs

[surreal prairie]

[18:19:53.4939697] [Error :voxx.LethalElementsPlugin] No ground object is registered, cannot calculate snow thickness!
[18:19:53.5230679] [Error :voxx.LethalElementsPlugin] No ground object is registered, cannot calculate snow thickness!
[18:19:53.5486605] [Error :voxx.LethalElementsPlugin] No ground object is registered, cannot calculate snow thickness!

[small cypress]

yes then it's probably because there's no natural ground on that moon

but you shouldn't be slowed down then

i'll check

[verbal shell]

looking at that ship makes me wonder if we are playing the same game fr

[surreal prairie]

Don't you judge my ship 😛

You should see it when we buy everything for it xD

[surreal prairie]

@small cypress It only happens on this moon with snow and blizzard. Rainy was fine.

[18:36:20.6089541] [Error :voxx.LethalElementsPlugin] Snow masks texture is null, cannot calculate snow thickness!
Got this on another modded level

Seems to work fine though on the moon

[small cypress]

yeah, there is a weird material on one of the grasses and it breaks rendering for some reason

[surreal prairie]

Would Heatwave and Solar Flare cause the same issues or do you think they will be fine there?

I really love this addition and don't want to have to remove the moons or elements so i'm gonna blacklist moons for weathers right now. I'm just curious if I should run more tests or if you think the other two will be fine.

[small cypress]

it should work

@stiff linden is there anything special about SpookyFoliageMAT material from Espira? For some reason it doesn't work with custom passes, the entire screen turns black when you have that grass with it on the screen anywhere

[stiff linden]

lemme look

[surreal prairie]

Halation doesn't like the snow weathers either D: doesn't break like Espira.

Can confirm so far Flicker works great with it.

[stiff linden]

Halation doesn't have a terrain so that makes sense

[surreal prairie]

Gotcha

[sick ridge]

Yeah I was about to say

I feel like it doesn't have a Mesh or Terrain lol

[surreal prairie]

yep its just the snow and espira not liking each other. the other weather event worked fine

[small cypress]

ok, this is cause by going from a moon with ground to the moon without D:
easy fix, just need to clear buffers on departure

[small cypress]

it seems like it also works until you look at a specific pixel of the grass

[surreal prairie]

Oh Nice! 😄 I'm glad I went there and found it

[stiff linden]

Does it also break on Mazon, because the grass there uses the same mesh but not the same Material

[surreal prairie]

I'll check that next.

Been trying to go down the list based on which planets roll the weather.

@stiff linden happens on Mazon too

[small cypress]

i'll check one sec

oook interesting

[stiff linden]

mesh busted probably

[surreal prairie]

Any other moons?

[small cypress]

it works without my custom pass, but when i try to render snow on top of it - boom

[stiff linden]

I've noticed the Object size on the LOD Groups is weirdly huge for some reason, think that's relevent?

[small cypress]

let me check...

[small cypress]

no it still happens

[spice axle]

for some reason snowfall and blizzard dont work on assurance when they used to???

every other moon works but assurance now

[small cypress]

normals on that mesh are broken

[stiff linden]

time for a remodel it sounds like

[small cypress]

i can look at it after calling mesh.RecalculateNormals()

maybe you can do it from the editor in the import settings window

[small cypress]

i accidentally disabled one thing, that's probably the reason

[spice axle]

https://tenor.com/view/nermal-garfield-garfield-meme-nermal-dead-john-gif-18241118886265094705

[stiff linden]

Hoping it's just the high LOD mesh because the Low one is just two planes in an X shape

[small cypress]

yes only the high lod

[stiff linden]

cool, just made a newer grass mesh and gonna update it now

[surreal prairie]

Well I guess I can hold off on that blacklist for weathers then xD

Voxx your snow weathers are something else! I can not wait for lobby tonight with it.

Oh right Halation need to black list though.

[stiff linden]

Add Lithium while you're at it

[surreal prairie]

Gotcha. Thank you

[small cypress]

i fixed it already, gonna push an update soon

[surreal prairie]

do the roads fill with snow?!?!

Also @stiff linden Got another issue for you D:

[stiff linden]

wha

[small cypress]

no, there is no terrain there, it is just visual

[surreal prairie]

Gotcha. still really cool 😄

[summer mist]

I've got a cool idea, I'll dm you

[small cypress]

i can confirm espira is fixed, thank you!

pushed an update that fixes moons with non valid ground (snowfall wil be just visual, blizzard will work, but no fluffy snow as well) - it will print some errors, but will stop quickly (they are for me just in case)
also @fallow canyon @night widget now snow properly interacts with players when they are on it even if the object they are standing on is not exactly terrain. Thus, Phaedra works 100% now (the swamp freezes)
also snow is no longer spiky and assurance works again

[verbal shell]

company crusier snowplow upgrade when???

[surreal prairie]

Cruiser already does it 😄

[proven mason]

Lmao yes

[night widget]

phaedra has no quicksand, do you mean pelagia?

[verbal shell]

cringe I Need my snowplow

[surreal prairie]

@small cypress If i'm gonna put Solar Flare in a config for something should I do it as SolarFlare or Solar Flare? I see you have it listed as one thing and another mod pulls it as the other.

[wet seal]

I see you removed it listing the issues with lethal performance

works fine now I assume?

[small cypress]

yeah it was on me

[wet seal]

nice

[small cypress]

i'd guess "Solar Flare"

this is how i register it

[surreal prairie]

cool thanks.

trying to set up weather multipliers for the new moons with GI

[fallow canyon]

I could've sworn it does, like below the broken bridge

or am I mixing up moons

[steep turret]

both do, pelagia's "quicksand" is the swamp water. and yea phaedra does have perma quicksand spots there

voxx did mean pelagia though not phaedra

[fallow canyon]

Pelagia doesn't really make sense to have snowy weather anyway tbh, at least not currently

[steep turret]

im going back and forth on it cause it looks super neat and does fit since it has an eccentric orbit, but visually its not quite there. that can be easily tweaked to make fit better, though, so dunno!

ill see how it plays

its the hype of "new thing" lol

[surreal prairie]

@stiff linden @small cypress Thank you guys for the fix and Voxx the new weathers are AMAZING! I can not wait to stream it tonight!

[small cypress]

what layers

and why

this is the entire point of the weather

and you can confirm it's specifically because of the dynamic snow buildup? because this is not the most resource intensive thing

[wise mirage]

[small cypress]

you need to use UnityExplorer, open the scene and disable the "Copy" of the terrain

[wise mirage]

your friend running it on a laptop?

that prob why

[fiery siren]

you can just turn down the snow graphical stuff

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1119818913589497938/1270540563208343715/New_Project_1.gif

thats what i did for my modpack

one of our friends has a not-so-decent computer and it helped a lot

but read the configs carefuly though

you might mess it up if you input a wrong number

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204432295025578014/1320462293951315998/twitter_1867376822478156069.gif

[small cypress]

just fyi, if you have different settings between players snow depth might desync

[fiery siren]

we always share modpack codes

no space for desync in these lands buddy.

[small cypress]

Idk if any more people need this, but I made a basic API to read and track snow data for custom entities. It's pretty easy and i wrote some comments for better explanation.

This is for adding snow tracks: https://github.com/v0xx-dev/VoxxWeatherPlugin/blob/main/VoxxWeatherPlugin/src/Utils/SnowTrackersManager.cs
This is for registering objects and obtaining sampled data: https://github.com/v0xx-dev/VoxxWeatherPlugin/blob/main/VoxxWeatherPlugin/src/Behaviours/SnowThicknessManager.cs

[steep turret]

oh thank god

[verbal shell]

bros gonna get you

[small cypress]

blocked 🥶

[verbal shell]

wow voxx why would you block them flabbergasted

[steep turret]

@small cypress you did an insane job w this. looks fantastic.

[sleek jungle]

Is that pelagia

[steep turret]

phaedra. This is pelagia from inside one of its cabins

[sleek jungle]

cool do the cabins protect you from the blizzard wave

[steep turret]

in theory they should, theyre identical to the ones from vanilla save their lack of windows+doors. wasnt paying attention 2bh mb was ogling too hard lol

[spice axle]

It looks like they do as you dont have the frostbite effect on the screen

[sick ridge]

@small cypress Discovered a bug with Solar Flare, the new visuals are gorgeous btw but they seem to vanish when you go inside and then back outside

[small cypress]

oh snap, I did change the way everything spawns to make compat with open cams, might have missed some things, thx

[vital lotus]

Cirno wants the snow gone, aint no way

[simple fiber]

@small cypress Heads up incase it’s relevant to you. Found out today you can use NavMeshBuilder to collect sources to get a list of objects that will be used in the baking of the moon. There’s some interesting data that can be interpreted from this

eg. Ik your fine with your water system rn but water will be notably big bounds that won’t show up in that source list

[small cypress]

hmm, that might come in handy, i wonder if it's possible to understand non terrain objects from there that are functioning as ground. 🧐
btw, did you ever get to implement that system in LLL where moon makers could tag specific objects or something like that?

[simple fiber]

naurr unfortunately

and yeah i found that out because i wanted the terrain 😛

            List<NavMeshBuildSource> buildSources = new List<NavMeshBuildSource>();
            List<NavMeshBuildMarkup> markups = new List<NavMeshBuildMarkup>();
            NavMeshBuilder.CollectSources(new Bounds(surface.center, surface.size), surface.layerMask, surface.useGeometry, surface.defaultArea, markups, buildSources);

            Plugin.logger.LogInfo("Collected Sources");
            buildSources = buildSources.OrderBy(x => x.size.sqrMagnitude).ToList();
            Vector3 biggestSize = Vector3.zero;
            MeshCollider biggestMesh = null;
            foreach (NavMeshBuildSource buildSource in buildSources)
            {
                if (buildSource.component == null) continue;
                if (buildSource.component is MeshCollider meshCollider)
                {
                    Plugin.logger.LogInfo("Source: " + buildSource.component.gameObject.name + " , Size: " + meshCollider.bounds.size);
                    if (biggestMesh == null || meshCollider.bounds.size.sqrMagnitude > biggestSize.sqrMagnitude)
                    {
                        biggestSize = meshCollider.bounds.size;
                        biggestMesh = meshCollider;
                    }
                }

            }

super rough example

[small cypress]

you can try my f'd up way of finding terrains, it seems to work on all vanilla moons and most custom ones

[simple fiber]

mhm?

[small cypress]

too long for discord, but basically here
https://github.com/v0xx-dev/VoxxWeatherPlugin/blob/main/VoxxWeatherPlugin/src/Behaviours/Weathers/SnowfallWeather.cs#L623

[summer mist]

140 lines of pure fields, yummy

[small cypress]

i need to separate some of them actually because both blizzard and snowfall use the same ones and i didn't think this through initially, so they are needlessly duplicated D:

[simple fiber]

Oh nice catch on terrain layers

[summer mist]

I do love that trees are on the terrain layer and terrain is on the room layer lol

[simple fiber]

Did you notice an actual gain using material property ids rather than strings or just pre optimised

[proven mason]

Funny enough terrain layer is bad for terrains

[small cypress]

There is definitely an improvement if you assign material properties every frame. Docs even recommend doing it like so in this context, but if it's done only once in a while gains are probably negligable.

[stiff linden]

Mazon is still doing the black screen flickering it seems

[small cypress]

but was the mesh updated there as well?

[stiff linden]

they use the same mesh so they should be, I wonder if I missed something

[small cypress]

i will check it a bit later, no prob

i am actually super curious why would broken normals cause something like that, but after everything I've seen while making that custom pass, it could be some completely random obscure glitch stemming from a unity bug

[verbal shell]

tropical blizzard

[sleek jungle]

Oo how does that look

[wet seal]

rn it seems enemies who try to path on the ice fall thru

[sick ridge]

Btw @small cypress Don't all the Vanilla moons have Meshified Terrain?

Just wondering if all of them should exist in the Blacklist

[summer mist]

its about fitting in, thats why they're there

[stiff linden]

I took a look at your code, @small cypress If I understand what I read, it looks like how it freezes water to make a Water surface solid, it checks the scene for any object that has 'Water' in the name with no collider, Glitch found something interesting, On a moon I've made it turns affects reeds too because their ingame name is 'WaterReeds' and they lack a collider

[distant fulcrum]

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[stiff linden]

Thanks I guess Pawsy

[small cypress]

No, only the ones I have by default have a good mesh, Zeekerss attempted to optimise them in blender, but honestly the were just fucked up in the process, so I have to fix some of them. This is why people saw that weird spiky snow in the reports above.

[small cypress]

This is blacklisted by default

[small cypress]

Yeah, there's no reliable way to understand which object is a water plant other than doing some guesstimating. You can hotfix it by renaming the material to not include "water" in it.
But I'll probably incorporate Batby's suggestion about bound extents as an additional filtering layer to make the search method more robust

[sick ridge]

Yeah I noticed Titan has a bit of it that looks weird

[summer mist]

I confused, if its water won't it have the water script?

[stiff linden]

this was my solution lol

[small cypress]

No, usually there are two objects - a water plane with a material and also a trigger collider with a script

[summer mist]

Ohhh

[small cypress]

And for example on vanilla moons they are in completely different places in the hierarchy

[summer mist]

Amazing

No way to connect them? Even via layers?

[small cypress]

Just remember that it is the material that should be renamed, not the game object

[small cypress]

There's a Water layer in game, but it's not used for some reason

So no

Water is basically indistinguishable from other random objects normally

[small cypress]

It's most prominent on Artifice, Offense, Assurance and Experimentation.
Vow and Adamance are left exactly how that terrain 2 mesh tool outputs them which is why they are in a good state.

[stiff linden]

I see

[night widget]

you could maybe check for the quicksand script instead of things named water?

i don't know if that accounts for the visuals of the water though

[verbal shell]

Nuh uh i haven’t touched the configs and it was not

[cold dragon]

it could be registry issue

again

will check that later 😭😭😭

[slender lintel]

Does LethalElementsBeta seem pretty stable to be used in a small modpack?

I'm using Altmoons, Distinctmoons and Rebalancedmoons. I'm considering using the snowy weathers as a last-minute addition for the experience

(And I take it I should install beta in place of the stable mod)

[gilded python]

Probably?

You should still test youurself to be positive

[cold dragon]

it was my mistake, update mrovlib and let me know if it works correctly for ya

[slender lintel]

Will do, just thought I'd check if anyone has already acquired the wisdom 🫡

[small cypress]

So it's another object this time. I manually inspected the normal vectors in the Ramp mesh and some of them are exactly zero which shouldn't be happening. After setting them to something else flickering is gone. I think the game freaks out due to division by zero in the shader when i blend normals, i'll try to fix this from my side as well if it's indeed the reason.

UPD: adding a small number to the normal in a shader didn't do anything D:

[stiff linden]

Ill get it fixed

[sick ridge]

I will also state

We had a Coilhead outside on that ramp by main and it couldn't move

Idk if that was a moon issue or LethalElements bug

[small cypress]

if it was on the ramp - not me, but if it was standing on terrain it might have been extremely slowed down by snow

[stiff linden]

Hit that Fix Mesh command in pro builder, problem likely solved

[small cypress]

navmesh was discontinuous there

[stiff linden]

It's because that area has a navmesh effector the coilheads can't navigate in

Was meant to stop Old Birds and Worms from camping but Coilheads are also affected

[small cypress]

poor things

[small cypress]

btw, do you use a NavMeshModifierVolume to stop nav mesh from generating in the water? i wanted to test if i can reapply navmesh on the surface after freezing it

on Mazon, for example

[stiff linden]

It's far enough below the water that it shouldn't reach on mazon specifically

Just to clarify, The water freezing affects things by material name, not by Object or Texture name right?

[small cypress]

What's its name? I tried rebaking but it doesn't seem to work for some reason. Water freezes correctly tho.

Just to clarify, it's not the moon's problem, I'm just testing a new thing

[small cypress]

yes only material, now I also check for bounds/size like Batby suggested, so small things like something similar to your reeds should be excluded automatically

[stiff linden]

Cube (8) is the name of the navmesh blocker in the water, I'll give it an actual name when I push the update

[small cypress]

ye, dw it's not a big deal, but I appreciate it

[stiff linden]

gonna be renamed 'WaterAffector'

[small cypress]

yay it works

[sudden arrow]

it looks like its happily playing in the snow

[simple fiber]

@small cypress don't need your help with it but do you mind if i end up stealing your meshify terrain code from this mod for testing #1321242208061620318? only for testing for now

wanna test modded moons and i think getting layeredlit -> unlit is going to be abit of a pain compared to terrain lit

[small cypress]

Steal away (it's MIT anyway), I'm glad it's getting some use lol

Thanks for your idea with object bounds btw, it helped remove lots of false positives when detecting water

[simple fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-always-weak-dawn-gif-18022934

[green sleet]

Renaming Bozoros' water so the icy lake remains dangerous to walk across

Probably won't actually, but it's kinda funny Snowfall allows the Cruiser to drive on it

[sick ridge]

Earlier I didn't realize Snowfall fills the ground similar to Blizzard

So driving the Cruiser back from Main sucked

😂

I managed it though

[green sleet]

I guess the lake would be a good option under those circumstances lol

No obstacles

[small cypress]

extra thicc

[sick ridge]

Wesley ended off the stream by having a rude spawn node for landmines

Lol

https://www.twitch.tv/lunxara/clip/EndearingShinyGnatYee-TCTusn6jL6pTZbpY

Walked in and instantly died

😂

[sick ridge]

Toy Store really should have gotten a festive update though imo I'm sad it didn't

It feels so bland

[green sleet]

Nutcrackers are festive

[sick ridge]

I just want it to not generate so absurdly large

[green sleet]

I don't blame him though he's been cooking on the moon department, that trailer was pretty neat

[sick ridge]

I'm excited for the new interiors and moons Wesley is gonna drop soon though

[sick ridge]

The new interiors looked sick, same with the new moons

and that Desolation Redesign

🔥

[verbal shell]

fr im disabling it for now

[sick ridge]

I expected nothing less tbh, there was no way he wasn't gonna be releasing new moons and interiors when he's been working on it for over 6 months lol

[green sleet]

Bro making a DLC before the game is even released

[sick ridge]

Remastering his original moons was icing on the cake

Desolation's Redesign made me so happy

Cus it really adds so much more to it due to it's lore

[verbal shell]

for the big heavy redesigns he should have standalone versions of the old versions

[sick ridge]

I think it was just limited before due to the tools that existed at the time

[sick ridge]

Desolation didn't really get a big heavy redesign, just a visual touch up and it looked like some new enemies and stuff

It looks way better

and way cooler

[verbal shell]

I know I was just saying in general lol

if any moon got completly redone where its basically a brand new moon under the same concept

would be nice to have a standalone of the old so you could use botyh or something

[green sleet]

I mean old versions of the moons are still there

Oh both?

[sick ridge]

Yeah idk if he redid any of them, I think he just touched all of them up

[green sleet]

That'd cause some weird things probably lol

[verbal shell]

oh maybe yeah

[sick ridge]

with JLL existing and stuff he was able to achieve the style he wanted for the moons that got the overhauls basically

Cus I'm sure the touch ups are things he wanted to do from the beginning

just

Limitations existed

Cus you have to remember they originally were built on LE then ported to LLL, some of his moons have had some performance issues all this time since the port too Etern is a pretty good example

[verbal shell]

yeah

[sick ridge]

Etern and Polarus, sometimes Gloom

The redesigns and touch ups were probably not only to get the style he wanted but also to optimize them as well I'm sure

I know s1ckboy was helping him heavily with it

[green sleet]

Limitations aren't real if you don't mind scripting stuff

Definitely more convenient with JLL though lol

[sick ridge]

Yeah

But there is no denying how bad LE limited things

LE was also extremely unoptimized

[verbal shell]

twas the early days so it made sense

[sick ridge]

Ye

[small cypress]

I uploaded a new version with some fixes.
It also adds a new weather effect - Toxic Smog ☣️

[sleek jungle]

Fume clouds indoors 😳

Gotta see this on harloth and fission-c

[small cypress]

if anyone played Derelict, it's basically its toxic effects, but made to work with any moon

like a harder version of Foggy

[verbal shell]

btw is there a reason why the descs on the readme are ai

[hexed sinew]

@small cypress could you add support for the solar flare weather and body cams mod

With the solar flare weather the body cams work fine

[small cypress]

I don't like writing

[hexed sinew]

But should brake since the solar flare weather disrupts electronics

[small cypress]

It's on to-do list

[verbal shell]

id be down to write something maybe then? im not great but most people would prefer medicore human to ai id assume?

[small cypress]

Sure, if you can rewrite it and want to invest time in this - that'd be great, just keep the important info in each weather description.

[verbal shell]

im not gonna do anything till its nearing release incase you change how things work

Glue

[small cypress]

Gameplay mechanics aren't going to change

There might be additions to the existing ones though

[summer mist]

hes gonna make blizzard spawn a really hot volcano

trust me i have insider leaks

[verbal shell]

I was gonna say true new weather volcanic eruption

then I realized that would be very close to meteor shower

[summer mist]

i didnt wanna leak dms but...

[verbal shell]

dont wanna leak dms but...

[small cypress]

nooo, you bastard

[summer mist]

https://tenor.com/view/arguing-arguing-with-me-pointless-meme-mike-o'hearn-gif-10976090569355842553

[indigo hollow]

Small critique: The snow would blend in better /w ice moons if they didn't have a dash of blue to them

Looks kinda off when the ice moons lack any sort of color in their snow

[lime acorn]

that all comes down to tagging and cooperation between modders. i know a number of blue shaded snow moons while another number of gray/white. if compensation is made for one, the other wont be as lucky. easiest way (in theory) is to tag moons appropriately, but then voxx would have to go door to door and ask for the maker to tag their moon to have the proper snow effect.

[indigo hollow]

I meant moreso for vanilla ice moons

Bozoros just so happens to use the same coloration as them

I couldn't rlly care about custom ice moons since it's too intensive for modders to figure out how to make shit work with one another

[proven mason]

To me this is absolutely gorgeous

[indigo hollow]

I didn't say that it was ugly, because it isn't

Just inconsistent

[wise mirage]

I don't know if I read that right but Toxic Smog weather? Thank you so much 😭

Only thing that was weird was I could run through the green clouds and nothing would happen. I'd have to wait in a cloud for like 10 seconds before it even damaged me

[wise mirage]

that and I don't think the toxic fog effect lingers, it's just only when I'm in the gas I think. I'll test it some tn

[small cypress]

The reason is like that is because vanilla tundra moons have almost zero sunlight, but if I colour my snow white and put it on another brighter moon everyone's eyes will explode D:

I tried, believe me 😖

[small cypress]

It's configurable, by default it's 4 sec until it starts damaging

[wise mirage]

it says default is 5 😅

[small cypress]

It definitely stays, it just depends on how long were you standing in there

[wise mirage]

so if I accidnelty run through one real quick, it is supposed to start damaging me after 5 seconds? Even though I'm away from it?

[small cypress]

Currently each one has their own separate timer and damage you only when you're inside, but I'm gonna make so that time will be global and if you run through multiple clouds and it adds up to 5 it will damage you

[wise mirage]

oh ok. It kinda odd to me since they are everywhere, they can be avoided and even if I accidnelty run into one, I'd have to wait 5 seconds for it to damage me

[small cypress]

Yeah balancing is a bit off I suppose, maybe I'll slash the cooldown to 3 seconds and increase the drunkness effect

[wise mirage]

Imo, I'd recommend just 1. They basically hazards at this point that need to be avoided or else their effect while activate. If I had to wait 3 seconds on a mine for an explosion, mines would basically be just non fuctional

But I mean whichever you choose! Just trying to help with the balancing since it seems a bit too easy

[wise mirage]

Hey, I have two new weather ideas that seem simple if your interested. I feel like the could rly fit the game. Just wondered if you wanted to hear them

[small cypress]

no promises, but you're always free to suggest new ideas

[vital kettle]

would be fun to see the rubbish dump machine be turned into a weather that could be applied to all moons

[simple fiber]

@small cypress stupid code if you ever need it btw, cubemap to texture2D

        public static Texture2D[] Copy(Cubemap source)
        {
            Texture2D[] faces = new Texture2D[6];
            for (int i = 0; i < faces.Length; i++)
            {
                int previewSize = System.Math.Clamp(64, source.width >> (source.mipmapCount - 1), source.width);
                faces[i] = new Texture2D(previewSize, previewSize, source.format, false);
                int mipToCopy = (int)(System.Math.Log(source.width, 2) - System.Math.Log(previewSize, 2));
                Graphics.CopyTexture(source, i, mipToCopy, faces[i], 0, 0);
            }

            return (faces);
        }

[small cypress]

It's doable, but it might block pathways cause I cannot predict where they are on random moons

[vital kettle]

if you lock it to a certain height relative to terrain y level it should be fine

[small cypress]

No I mean the trash

[vital kettle]

OHHH

I mean I think that could be pretty funny

[wise mirage]

I heard this name from numerous people but Acid Rain. My gimmick for it is scrap value the player is holding is slowly decreased the longer your under the rain. makes sense since it would be eating away at the scrap decreasing it's value, gives you reason to avoid the rain itself. A second mechanic would be maybe having it eating through your suit (a box like the one that pops up when you first encounter an eclispe pops up mentioning it) and you will take damage outside unless you change your suit in the suit rack

[vital kettle]

maybe a weather thats disabled by default

[vital kettle]

thats an insanely good idea

[wise mirage]

That would give the suit rack a mechanic and the scrap value thing is like an alternative reason to avoid a specific weather

[small cypress]

Thank you! I might actually need to do the reverse lol, but this is easy to base on your implementation. Btw is there a reason you use System.Math instead of unity one?

[simple fiber]

because thats from unity's own code 😛

turns out it's not even working right becaue of fucking crunch compression 😭

worked well in my tests

[small cypress]

So, if you tested in the editor, everything has read access

[simple fiber]

i just didnt try crunch compressed ones

trying out something online

[vital kettle]

yummy annoying multipliers

[small cypress]

But in the game you might need to blit a copy first

[small cypress]

What are those D:
Did weather registry just add this?

[vital kettle]

nah central config setting

I use it to control weather multipliers for scrap and enemy/scrap injection

and I use registry for weights

[small cypress]

Ah

[cold dragon]

😳

i got scared i fucked up something