Luna's Moons

[tawdry citrus]

wuh?

[desert forge]

Was wondering if these are the risk ratings/prices of the moons

[tawdry citrus]

Incalescence is D and also 150$

Verdance is C and free

[desert forge]

Incalescence is D? I thought it was B or A lol

I’ll fix that in the spreadsheet, I checked after and it said A

[snow kindle]

Experimentation is also B - difficulty rating really is all over the place

[desert forge]

Yeah Experimentation should be D I have no clue why it’s B

Zeekerss even said it’s meant to be the starter moon

[snow kindle]

Yeah thats my bad lol, Luna said its in between like Adamance and Rend in difficulty so I just assumed A

[analog gulch]

well difficulty doesnt necessarily always reflect price

[desert forge]

Oh it just said mid-game moon on the page so I assumed B/A

[snow kindle]

In my eyes price should reflect the difficulty 🤷‍♂️

[desert forge]

I like the idea of moons that do that, but I think they should be the exception rather than the rule

At least for vanilla style

[analog gulch]

i always thought that was kinda backwards. why should you have to pay more to go to a moon that you're less likely to return from?

[desert forge]

Because more scrap

Part of the late-stage-capitalism commentary

[analog gulch]

wesley's asteroid-13 makes more sense to me. it's free, and it's risky, but it can be lucrative

[desert forge]

Yeah def

[tawdry citrus]

Full working version is out

[analog gulch]

i understand why higher difficulty moons are more expensive from a gameplay standpoint--more experience, more difficulty, more earning power, etc--but i don't think it's a hard rule that you have to abide by to correctly balance a moon

[tired crown]

How large did you make Verdance?

[true spade]

Now that Verdance is in this modpack what should I do if i still wanna play the other moons aka boreal and destitute

[tawdry citrus]

its like 65mb

[tired crown]

I was not expecting a bump up to 133 mb lol

Waaaaa

It's mostly vanilla assets though it can be smaller

XD

At least I think it can

[tawdry citrus]

its almost exactly the same size as Incalescence

[tawdry citrus]

it actually isnt

[peak quest]

OR.... you can be really cheesy like me and just use FreeeeeeMoooooons. 😛

[tawdry citrus]

the trees are one of the only vanilla assets

[tired crown]

The original was lol so I was expect you to make the new one a bit more faithful hehe

You should definitely try what Batby suggested though for the water and see what it does when you can

[tawdry citrus]

play the new one and see what i did with it :3

[analog gulch]

LethalMoonUnlocks is what we use

[tired crown]

Waiting for 1.1.2 to appear

XD

[tired crown]

I hope you do Boreal next

More excited for that than Destitute

[tawdry citrus]

i can

[tired crown]

Destitute was nice but I really loved Boreal it was so unique

[analog gulch]

that's not how that works. all vanilla assets have to be rebundled with a moon, they aren't pulled from the game's files at runtime

[near seal]

https://tenor.com/view/indecisive-i-dont-know-not-sure-larry-david-gif-5682454

[tired crown]

I just felt like it could be smaller dunno why

[near seal]

it depends

[analog gulch]

some are but largely for things like meshes and textures, no

[peak quest]

I'm a pretty big sucker for Destitute... 😛 But they're all great.

[tawdry citrus]

me too honestly

plus, destitute is gonna be a lot of work

[tired crown]

Boreal was just such a gorgeous and unique snowy moon and I really liked that

[tawdry citrus]

and i dont have any concrete plans for what i'm gonna change with it

i do for boreal tho

[tired crown]

Boreal and Rosie's Summit were tied as my favorites when it came to unique snowy moons

[tawdry citrus]

you gonna try Verdance2 out whenever it shows up?

[tired crown]

Gonna be streaming later so yeah

[tawdry citrus]

oh, awesome

[tired crown]

I'll likely visit it just to get a general vibe for interiors

Then check it out more thoroughly on stream

[tawdry citrus]

oh ok

[peak quest]

I agree! I love its vibe! It kinda gives me Metal Gear Solid 1 vibes. Definitely on par with the vanilla ones, maybe even more! But for some reason, I just find myself landing on Destitute a bit.

[tired crown]

Ye

You did a lot of changes so idk if putting Chizra on it will work anymore

XD

[tawdry citrus]

wdym

[tired crown]

I used to have it follow like interior weights for Vow

lol

Cus it was intended to at that point in time

Idk what the vibe is now for interiors

Unless you like specifically tell me

XD

[tawdry citrus]

heres an in editor screenshot of the moon

[tired crown]

Hmmmmm

[tired crown]

I like it a lot more than the original

lol

[tawdry citrus]

me too

[peak quest]

I'mma play the new Verance with one of my buddies in like an hour or so, so we'll get to experience it firsthand together. ^^

[tawdry citrus]

its much prettier

[tired crown]

Idk do you have any custom interiors in mind you want on it?

[tawdry citrus]

not realllly

i havent played on many of the newer custom interiors

[tired crown]

Cus generally I just add Chizra and Green Ruins to the forest moons as a chance

XD

[tawdry citrus]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DemonMae/Guardia_Fortress_Interior/

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DemonMae/Dreary_Pipeworks_Interior/

these two seem to not be too bad of a fit

[tired crown]

Fortress I really like

lol

I put that on Atlas Abyss

It fits is really well

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DemonMae/Chizra_Temple_Interior/ This is the one I was talking about that may work but idk

[peak quest]

My configuration for Verdance has a high chance of the school interior, but I might change that. I dunno why I did that. 😛

[tired crown]

Chizra is probably the best one out of the original unreal interiors package

UT99's really are all better lol

It has 3 good ones, well Dreary sucks if it starts off dark

[peak quest]

I actually haven't really played those yet. I've seen them around, though. I ought to try them.

[tired crown]

Where as with unreal interiors I'm not a fan of Haven at all, Skaarj is okay but only works on certain moons

Rrrajigar I like but it's easy to get lost in and if it starts off dark it is pure ass

[tawdry citrus]

oh!

Cozy office

thats a good verdance interior

[tired crown]

Cozy Office is a bit too broken

[peak quest]

yes!

[tawdry citrus]

what broke about it

[tired crown]

It has a few issues: Lacks tile variety, sometimes entrances fail to generate, sometimes door ways get blocked by spike traps so you can't access areas of the interior

Turrets fire through walls

Etc

[peak quest]

CozyOffice and Scoopys sewers have pretty good chances on my config for Verdance.

[tawdry citrus]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/YippieDev/LethalApertureDunGen/

this would be good on verdance too

but

is very hard to get the size to be consistent and stuff

[tired crown]

Yeah @slim fern also wanted me to add that interior for Pinnacle

lol

[tawdry citrus]

hehe

[tired crown]

I just dunno if I feel like it fits LC

[peak quest]

This is cool as frick. I didn't know about this,

Also, I feel like Scoopys Sewers works pretty well with Destitute. I have it configured to spawn pretty often on that one.

[tired crown]

I won't use Scoopy's

Too outdated

No longer supported

[peak quest]

Still a classic, though.... I can't let go >>

[tired crown]

I wish Rosie would come back to update her stuff so badly

[peak quest]

Their stuff is great, too!

[tired crown]

What's wrong with it's sizing?

btw

[desert forge]

Rosie’s and Starlancer’s were my favs

[tired crown]

Warehouse is good but wouldn't work on Verdance

[tawdry citrus]

slightly inconsistent, and loot density can be unusually low sometimes

[tired crown]

It's better for late game moons

[tired crown]

Yeah it probably needed fixes

Not updated in 3 months

[desert forge]

Yeah def doesn’t fit earlier moons

[tawdry citrus]

the fix for both of those issues is just

make it smaller than you want it

[tired crown]

Yeah and you have to use something like CentralConfig for this cus LLL's sizing options are broken

lol

[tawdry citrus]

if you do that, sometimes it'll be small af

more times it'll be where you want it

and it shouldnt ever be giant

[tired crown]

Yeah sounds like the interior just needs the dev to return and fix it

[tawdry citrus]

the old office interior had that same size issue

[desert forge]

Does the new verdance look vanilla or is it like pretty different looking than vanilla moons

[tawdry citrus]

this one

[tired crown]

It looks Vanilla

[desert forge]

Like I know gameplay wise it’s vanilla style

[peak quest]

Starlancer's and Luna's moons here are my two favorite packs in terms of how much I play on them. I love Harvest Moons, Wesley's, and Rosie's stuff.

[desert forge]

Sweet

[tawdry citrus]

massively improved vanilla

[tired crown]

Yeah and now Piggy is on hiatus and it still has issues that need fixed

[tawdry citrus]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[dapper plover]

this interiopr has the really bad loot density, its still really good tho

[desert forge]

Solace is one of my all time favourite moons

I just love the vibe

[tired crown]

I rarely play on Starlancer's moons atm cus he hasn't updated them for V60 yet

and it's a shame cus I love them

[peak quest]

RIGHT!? It, and Destitute from this pack are my two faves.

[tired crown]

I mostly only ever play on [Redacted] lol

[tawdry citrus]

i never thought i'd see my name put next to starlancer

[desert forge]

I want to add sector-0 to my modpack I’m working on but afaik it has some issues due to not being updated for so long

[desert forge]

Solving that and seeing it first the first time was absolutely insane

[tired crown]

The issues were there when it released, it just never really got updated to be fixed

[peak quest]

I mean that, too! Your stuff and their stuff are my group's favorite moon packs to play on. They've all got such good vibes and mesh well amongst each other and vanilla alike.

[desert forge]

Ahhh, gotcha. Anything too notable?

[tired crown]

Desyncs

masked can't exit

etc

[desert forge]

Oh I meant the moon

Not the interior

[tired crown]

Oh the moon

Yeah don't play on it

It lags worse each day you play on it

Spams navmesh errors

[desert forge]

Ooooof

[tired crown]

I don't recommend any of Rosie's moons in their current state

They're too broken

[desert forge]

The modpack i’m working on was originally built around Rosie’s so it’s been fun needing to reshape the whole thing

[near seal]

Affliction is great

[tired crown]

All of Rosie's are imo

They just need her to return and give them much needed love

😭

[desert forge]

Yeah idk if I have a favourite of Rosie’s. They’re all great

Also Incalescence is like one of the prettiest moons I’ve played tbh

[tawdry citrus]

i'm very happy you like my stuff so much

I hope my remakes/new moons are the quality you were hoping for

[peak quest]

Eve is my favorite RosieMoon ^^
And Incalescence is gorgeous! I've only played on it once so far, but it looks great

And yeah, me and one of my buddies are about to play, so we'll get into your new stuff to get a good feel for it.

[desert forge]

I’d say the prettiest moons I’ve played are Incalescence, Solace, and Celest

[peak quest]

Aquatis is another beautiful one. I wish that still got supported

[desert forge]

The lil crabs give me life

[tawdry citrus]

oh btw, i see you like palworld

[peak quest]

Indeed! Do you, too? That game, Lethal Company, and Helldivers 2 have become huge faves of mine over the past year.

[tawdry citrus]

i like all 3 of those games

helldivers got a lilll boring after a bit, but i'll still play it sometimes

i just burnt myself out

[tawdry citrus]

your group got room? cuz i could join ya if you do

[peak quest]

Sweeeet! If you'd ever like to play any of that sometime, I'd be good for it!

I've been playing the frick out of Helldivers again because the new patch really made a lot of weapons and stuff viable.
Otherwise, LC has been dominating my summer.

[tawdry citrus]

if you wanna invite the creator to play with

[dapper plover]

sector 0 is such a fire interior, and the desync issues would be a easy fix

[peak quest]

My main group plays on Wednesday evenings! Would you like to play with us then? It's only three of us, otherwise!

[tawdry citrus]

potentially

you did say you were about to play with one of your friends, was wondering if you'd be interested in me being there for that. if you were planning to check out my "new" moon

[peak quest]

Yeah, sure! We could try! My modpack is kinda beefy, though. And something may or may not be causing some rare desync. 😛 Would you be okay with that? ^^ If so, I can give you the code.

[tawdry citrus]

yeah, thats all good

i'm used to it

[true spade]

does the old Verdance and new Verdance mess eachother up if i have both installed

[tired crown]

Don't use both

This is common knowledge

[true spade]

but i like boreal and destitute D:

[tired crown]

Remove the old version

[tired crown]

they're being remade and are gonna be included in this mod

So just wait

[true spade]

okie

[tired crown]

Boreal is being worked on next, then Destitute

[normal nymph]

new Verdance is positively gorgeous. definitely worth remaking the icon for this one ^^

[tawdry citrus]

i'm glad you like ittt

[normal nymph]

probably remake it tomorrow. bed soon =-=

[analog gulch]

unregister the old verdance in LLL config

[tired crown]

Is that even possible?

They both share the same name and everything it probably won't even show both

[normal nymph]

given how fast progress is, id just uninstall Celestial_Expansion. Boreal and Destitute will soon follow

that being said, still no rush XD

[tawdry citrus]

I updated Celestial expansion to redirect people to my new moon pack

(it can still be downloaded for the moons, the readme and stuff just has the new upload linked

[sage vault]

Just tried Verdance!

Gorgeous moon, looks legitimately amazing

Only things I noticed from a playtest

• Finding the path to main is mildly unintuitive, myself and a few others I dragged in all had our eyes naturally drawn to taking the right-leading path after going left from ship. For some reason the scan node for main wasn't showing up until we got really close to it.
• The bird ambience is incredibly loud when you're coming in on the ship for some reason.
• This object next to main is intangible

Otherwise, awesome work here

[sage vault]

Incalescence: Just tried this one as well, and I have no notes. Awesome work here.

[snow kindle]

No error logs?

[sage vault]

not that I noticed other than typical imperium nonsense

[foggy timber]

Compositing failure, Laugh at this user

[normal nymph]

magic water

[desert forge]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-gif-23557972

[foggy timber]

Also enemy pathing is broken in lunxara's pack

01921625-c246-cc46-adf9-842a0a8b51f5

[tawdry citrus]

I wanted the bird ambience to fade in when landing, but I couldn't really do that with the way I have it setup

I'll increase the main entrance scan node distance and size

And I'll make those solid

Also, about finding main

It is meant to take a few runs to learn the moon

Since it's aesthetic is a completely overgrown forest

[tawdry citrus]

Guh

[tawdry citrus]

Must just be an issue with the default settings on that water shader

[untold thorn]

seconding this, i think the props could be organized in a way that more clearly leads you to fire/main

it takes a bit to find the entrances, and in lethal, a game with harsh deadlines, wandering around aimlessly tends to be more frustrating than fun

same reason foggy doesn't work that well, and probably the reason the vanilla moons all have such simplistic paths

i do like the moon alot past that, it's just a little too easy to get lost on imo, even if that's intended

[tawdry citrus]

@tired crown something you might be happy to see

[tawdry citrus]

i'll just increase scan node size for main

and add a scan node to fire

[untold thorn]

i play with both of these things already and it does help but i think the fire exit path especially is a bit subtle

i'm also personally not a fan of when moons deviate from vanilla like that but that's a personal pet peeve

[tawdry citrus]

wdym

[untold thorn]

adding/modifying scan nodes where there otherwise wouldn't be

it feels like a bit of a band-aid solution to me

i do really like the new layout overall though past that one issue

[tawdry citrus]

the main entrance scan node was too small

for vow, it covers the entire building pretty much

but it was only on the actual door

on verdance

[analog gulch]

adding a fire exit scan node is definitely gonna conflict with other mods that add scan nodes to all fire exits

[tawdry citrus]

welll

increasing the scan node size for main should fix the issue

[tawdry citrus]

welllll

one thing about that

part of lethal company is learning the moons

Verdance has a very simple layout

so once you find everything the first time

you'll know where it is

it might feel like a maze the first time you play

but after that

it should start to feel pretty simple

[tawdry citrus]

i just imported textures

wtf is this

why??

[dapper plover]

I agree its kind of uncesscary to add a fire exit scan node, no other mods really do this, and if people like this feature, they can just add the fire exit scan node mod

[floral otter]

hi vector

[near seal]

?

[grave ibex]

how else will people see the quality

it has to be that big

i hope you understand

[tawdry citrus]

that was how the texture imported

[near seal]

Default settings be like that

Iirc either in project settings or in the build settings/add scenes to build/ whatever its called menu you can define project defaults that should work for bundles

[tawdry citrus]

I think the default is like 2048

That was how it was from an asset store texture pack

I fixed it tho

Lol

[tawdry citrus]

time to add 1 gigabyte of textures to my project

just to compress all of them and only use one

[dapper plover]

At that point just use a vanilla texture

[tawdry citrus]

no :3

[grave ibex]

we might be back

[dapper plover]

hell yeah

[grave ibex]

somehow got it to a 10th of what it was before

[tawdry citrus]

early screenshot of Boreal2

[tawdry citrus]

what if water

instead of ice

@tired crown you're the #1 boreal lover, whats your opinion

[tired crown]

Why not use that water texture for the ice? I think it's more fitting for it to have a frozen lake

But the ice texture in the first screenshot definitely looks nowhere near as good

[tawdry citrus]

you think i should make it solid and not moving?

[tired crown]

Honestly, having it moving would be sick to fool people, then you walk on it and realize it's ice

:3

@next saddle Can JLL allow this?

[tawdry citrus]

I found a way to do it

[tired crown]

Nice!!!

[tawdry citrus]

static unmoving layer ontop, and flowing water underneath

[tired crown]

Yeah keep the water but then have you walk on it like it's ice

Ye

[tawdry citrus]

like theres a thin layer of ice

[tired crown]

Cus the water looks so good lol

[tawdry citrus]

you liking the overall look of the new boreal btw?

[tired crown]

Mhm

[tawdry citrus]

i'm completely redoing the layout

the original boreal was way too flat

[next saddle]

I'm not sure if I understand what you're asking about? If it's like moving platform stuff that's a thing zeekers already has for the elevator and cruiser stuff which could just be reused for that

[tired crown]

Was getting some navmesh errors on Verdance, maybe from Tulip Snakes if they spawn on there?

LineOfSightCube btw lmfao

tf

[tawdry citrus]

whats the issue?

[tired crown]

Navmesh error spam

on Verdance

[tawdry citrus]

oh i see

dont actually know what the cause of that is

[tired crown]

Maybe see if Tulip Snakes are spawning and having issues

I know they can cause that

[tired crown]

Oooh

[tawdry citrus]

i think you like it

[tawdry citrus]

do you think i went too far from the original aesthetic of boreal, or am i getting it right?

[tired crown]

Hard to really say atm lol

[tawdry citrus]

the rest of the moon is basically gonna look like what these screenshots do

[tired crown]

I mean I'd say you're doing good, dunno how I feel about there being some sections that have no snow and have greenery though

The original was very much an all snowy moon hehe

[tawdry citrus]

not really

it was all snowy with pockets/islands of all green

it was orignally meant to be a mixed theme moon, between the forest and snowy moons

[tired crown]

I only remember it being all snowy tbh lol but I'll take your word for it

[tawdry citrus]

it was executed terribly for that theme

Old boreal

it was like 80% snowy

and was also extremely flat

[tawdry citrus]

these are old screenshots from my computer

heres a screenshot of one of the planned changes to boreal

before all that stuff got brokey

[tawdry citrus]

whatcha think now that you can see old screenshots?

[tired crown]

Ahhhh

[tawdry citrus]

isometric view of the area around the ship that i've been working on

[tired crown]

I would say maybe have it be a bit more snowy similar to the original :3 otherwise it's looking pretty good

Although that is a very early on preview so it may look roughly the same by the time you finish it

XD

[tawdry citrus]

it'll be a decent bit dif

also

if it wasnt already obv

i'm completely overhauling the layout

except for major features like the lake

[tired crown]

Yeah that's fine, although the original layout for Boreal actually wasn't bad, it was probably the best of the original 3 lol

[tawdry citrus]

main problem was the flatness of it

the entire map was on nearly the same elevation

just with stuff ontop of that

what i'm doing to change it

is moving main entrance to the left side of the ship

rather than infront

and also

theres gonna be a downwards elevation trend towards the left side

and an upwards trend towards the right side

[tired crown]

Ooh

[tawdry citrus]

thats also to make it play differently from my other moons

verdance and Incalescence both have one thing in common

theres nothing important behind the ship

or to the sides

you land

and go forward

which isnt very interesting

[tawdry citrus]

oh btw

about that

there are gonna be a couple pockets of mostly snowy fields

that are just gonna be an open area with smaller rocks, a few snowy bushes, and grass

(snowy grass)

this stuff

[tired crown]

Oooh

[tawdry citrus]

the moon is gonna be like 80% what the screenshots before show tho

[snow kindle]

It looks amazing

[tawdry citrus]

Thank youuu

I'm glad you like it, even in its early stages

[desert forge]

This looks awesome

Reminds me of living up north (I used to live in Northern Canada)

Had snow like 8/9 months of the year but obviously not full winter mode for all of that

So situations like this where there’s snow on the ground but it’s a clear sunny day out with patches of green and snow were common

[sage vault]

What the heck is the water setup you're using BTW

it looks WAY better than the water on basically any other moon I've seen

going from Verdance to Rockwell, a moon by another dev, was really funny because that dev's moons have really bad looking water IMO

[paper canopy]

Don't know if you know about this but here on Verdance, the game thinks I'm completely underwater while only my feets are in the water

[normal nymph]

Boreal lookin PEAK

[snow kindle]

no

[untold thorn]

this is pretty, but i do think it loses alot of the color the original had, i loves the reds present in the original

[tawdry citrus]

Yes

Very funky problem, dunno the cause

[tawdry citrus]

It's a slightly modified water Shader taken from a free unity sample project on the asset store

[sage vault]

Neat

[tawdry citrus]

:333

[tawdry citrus]

its heavily modified to be ice on boreal

[tawdry citrus]

main entrance

[normal nymph]

https://tenor.com/view/angers-bingo-cat-angry-bashing-table-smash-gif-17090454

[tawdry citrus]

?

[snow kindle]

I’ll translate : “GIMME GIMME GIMME I WANTS IT NOW”

[tawdry citrus]

lol

this is what i've got rn

left side is main

[snow kindle]

😮 interesting, I usually finish the terrains layout and then texture it etc. It looks really promising

[tawdry citrus]

i do it way dif

[snow kindle]

Yeah i can see that haha

[tawdry citrus]

when i'm making a fully new layout

i do it section by section

and fully finish each one before moving to the next

i'm figuring this map out as i go

[snow kindle]

Yeah i do a lot of changes midway thru haha

[tawdry citrus]

i like doing it this way cuz i can just look at the finished area and think of good things to connect to it

so everything feels connected

[snow kindle]

Yeah it also helps with motivation I guess

Sometimes when I see my stuff and think how much shiz I want to do I get really unmotivated

[tawdry citrus]

true

didnt think of that

thats prob why i'm able to work so fast for long enough to get stuff out

cuz i can get all the creative energy put into one place rather than spread out

and that helps a lot

cuz by the end of the day

i have something finished to look at and be happy with

rather than a big half finished empty terrain

last night i spent like 20 minutes just staring at the frozen stream i made

cuz it looks so good and i'm very happy with it

and having that to look at helped a lot with feeling like i actually got something done

[tired crown]

What is this nickname?

LOL

[tawdry citrus]

just go with it

[tired crown]

Nah I need context

[snow kindle]

I have a ton of half finished shiz I still need to do lol

[tired crown]

Lmao

[snow kindle]

I might need to try out your way

[tawdry citrus]

you should

it makes the creative process a bit more enjoyable

and also makes high levels of detail much easier to manage

[snow kindle]

The way I do stuff is : layout for the whole map -> texturing the whole map -> adding random stuff I like at the time (can be Buildings, random rocks or any props, even scraps) -> testing things out, revisiting the terrain (changing things around lol) etc.

[tawdry citrus]

having a pre-made layout can def help speed up the process btw

[snow kindle]

A couple of days ago I redid a whole maps layout and deleted everything on it cuz I didnt like them xd It looks better now

[tawdry citrus]

i did it with verdance2

it made it way faster to make

cuz i drew out plans first

[desert forge]

Yeah planning things ahead helps sooo much with any creative work

[tired crown]

You have some bugs to fix though

Lol

with Verdance

[tawdry citrus]

only a couple

[snow kindle]

What kind of bugs?

[desert forge]

But in the same breath, the other end also works great for inspiration

Just depends on the kind of worker you are

[tawdry citrus]

main one is nav mesh issues

with the nodes not finding the navmesh

which seems to not happen every time

but does sometimes

[snow kindle]

Hmm

Im guessing nodes are in the terrain not on it

Or way above it or something idk

[tawdry citrus]

i'll have to individually go look at all of the nodes and make sure they're over navmesh like they should be

[tired crown]

I know @next saddle's Pinnacle also gave some navmesh errors, likely for the same reason

[tawdry citrus]

oh btw @snow kindle

if you wanna try out my method

when it comes to details

i start with

Big rocks

then i place the biggest trees

medium trees

and then small trees

and after that, i go through and add all the grass and bushes

and the last thing i do is small rocks

[snow kindle]

[normal nymph]

wicked

[desert forge]

The angle of this pic makes it look like the overworld of a late 90s/early 00s RPG lol

[tawdry citrus]

thats the isometric camera doin that

[stiff urchin]

Hi i encountered this today. monsters just stand there in place. I guess the navmesh isn't working or the terrain isnt set to read/write or something like that?

Also the waterfall could be heard inside the facility

[tawdry citrus]

Both are known issues

Gonna figure out a fix

[foggy timber]

Damn, you really just left the giant hanging
Mans was shaking anxious and you left him hanging

[merry ridge]

dude started scratching his balls or some shio

shi*

wtf

[marble basin]

Heya! Dunno if this has been reported yet but the water sounds are audible inside the facility on Verdance
Also strange behaviour on the water stream in this particular spot, it would appear I am underwater when I am above water? Haven't checked if there are any more spots on the stream with a similar quirk

Other than that, amazing remaster, walking out of the ship I was staring in awe at how much the place changed :V

Can't wait for Boreal! Really liked the makeshift ice patches and the random sheds and bridges around the place

[tawdry citrus]

Those are both known issues :3

I'll be trying to fix them soon

[dapper plover]

copy the fan from the facility start room

has 3d sound settings

already djusted

[tawdry citrus]

i may have all 3 bugs fixed

still testing

but they might be fixed

[tawdry citrus]

current progress

[near seal]

Looking cool

make sure not to make moons tooo big

easy to fall into

[tawdry citrus]

wdym

[near seal]

Sometimes less is more. Bigger moons can tend to feel a little underwhelming due to the time it takes to move between points of interest. doesn't look tooo bad from the preview but it's worth walking to and from ship to main to get a feeling on if its about the same time as vanilla maps

[tawdry citrus]

this boreal is actually a decent bit smaller than the original

its also a moon with 3 fire exits

so i want it to be a biiit bigger

but not too much

[near seal]

Forsure, more of a cautionary warning than actual feedback on that screenshot

[normal nymph]

mostly simple, but wanted to emphasize there being a waterfall, so i did one little goofy thing
original image deleted

new Verdance icon

hmm.... wait

[ancient portal]

I kinda want more cruiser compatible moons tbh

[normal nymph]

better variant

[tired crown]

||Why is the Water falling off of the moon?||

[normal nymph]

||yes||

[tawdry citrus]

I might make one, one day

[sage vault]

I think ideally moons should be cruiser compatible but not requiring

Catalyst feels like a good example of this

Cruiser makes getting to 3 of the 4 entrances faster but none of them are so far away as to be nonviable on foot

(except for the fourth which is essentially jetpack only)

Vs something like Scallg which is pretty explicitly cruiser only

[tawdry citrus]

Vanilla moons arent

[sage vault]

I'm well aware

Zeekers didn't modify the moons whatsoever for car

So to use it at all you kind of have to do stupid shit

[blissful gorge]

I mean that's kinda the point of the cruiser to me it's to do some crazy ass whacky ass shit to get it to work and to treck thru really shitty terrain with your fuck ass red truck

I do prefer passive compatability for that same reason

[tawdry citrus]

i like the truck as something that clearly isnt made to work with the moons

so you have to make it work

thats to the spirit of lethal company

[blissful gorge]

exaaactly

on vanilla even the moon where you get the most value out of the cruiser has some janky shit you gotta deal w

on artifice there's a straight path from the ship to the entrance but you gotta deal with the trees, the utility poles and the randomly generated rocks

I do love me some smooth cruisin but cruiser's the most fun when you can easily crash into shit

[tawdry citrus]

its most fun when you can clear a straight path with it

cruiser might be viable on boreal2 if you have boosts

for main

[blissful gorge]

we love bulldozing through 6 trees to get to main 🔥

[tawdry citrus]

At the least, you'll need 2 boosts

One to get over a gap there

And then another to get back over the way you came

But otherwise

It's just ram straight through the woods

Cuz the ground is pretty smooth going towards main

Past the river

[pastel lynx]

Mud on the ship?

[tawdry citrus]

Thats a vanilla thing i think

cuz i'm pretty sure it didnt think you were actually standing on the rail

[tawdry citrus]

LunarLights

[tawdry citrus]

decoupling my own identity from the mod cuz you guys like to get onto us about it

[dapper plover]

What you can do is have your actually name be what ever you want it to be, and then set the server name to lunar lights

[tawdry citrus]

That's what I already did

Lol

[merry ridge]

its just Lunar Lights?

no moons part?

thats kind of a creative name tbh

[tawdry citrus]

Wdym

[merry ridge]

Since Lunar technically means moon

and lights is just

lights i guess

thats one hell of a creative name you got pardner

[tawdry citrus]

Lol, thx

[tawdry citrus]

I took a break from working on boreal yesterday, but I'm gonna work on it some more when I get home today

[merry ridge]

american?

[tawdry citrus]

Wat

[merry ridge]

are you from american continents or not?

since aint no way you in EU at a time like this

[tawdry citrus]

Yes

I (sadly) live in tex-ass

I turn 18 in 12 days tho

So I'll hopefully be leaving soon

[tawdry citrus]

boreal is around the 50% mark for completion

(its a bit of a bigger project than my previous moons, and im working a bit slower)

[tired crown]

Looking forward to you completing it, in the meantime I'mma temp remove the moons pack since Verdance is broken to help save ram :3

Lmk when update is out 😄

[pastel lynx]

Wat how

[tired crown]

Verdance has broken navmeshes atm

Enemies will spawn and not move

It's fixed already for the upcoming update as far as I'm aware

lol

[tawdry citrus]

it is a weird issue

since it seems to only happen for me like 5% of the time

i've only had it happen on my end once

[tired crown]

Floating ai nodes and stuff be like that

[tawdry citrus]

it should be fixed because i moved all of them down

but if its not

i've got nuthin

[snow kindle]

How many ai nodes do you have?
You can btw save them as prefabs and then drag them back in - this way they’ll be glued perfectly to the terrain (they wont be hovering over nor be under it)

[dapper plover]

also I think you need to set your terrain to be layered to room

[tepid stratus]

Would you consider adding a config to enable/disable the birdsong in Verdance?

[tired crown]

Birdsong?

[tepid stratus]

Omg sorry if I'm getting moons confused but I thought on Verdance there's bird noises

[tired crown]

There is but I wouldn't necessarily call it a song lol

[tepid stratus]

Hahaha

Birdsmakingaruckus

[tired crown]

They don't bother me, it's part of the unique ambience of the moon

[tepid stratus]

Totally fair!

I think config would be enabled by default for sure

Alternatively I think it could be cool to have bird sounds disabled in the evening and during adverse weather

[tawdry citrus]

I have no idea how to make configs

Or how to set it during certain times

So neither of those things are likely to happen

If enough people complain, I'll make it quieter

[tepid stratus]

Okay no problem! Verdance is awesome either way

[tawdry citrus]

<3

[tawdry citrus]

made a lil bit more progress on boreal

its slow, cuz burnout

but i'm still working

[normal nymph]

tyt

[tawdry citrus]

i'm splitting Incalescence into a seperate mod when i upload boreal

it isnt up to the quality standard

that i want

so its gonna get some work done to it at some point

before its put in the pack again

letting you all know cuz boreal is almost done

and will be uploaded soon

[untold thorn]

i think it'd be more convenient for it to stay there as to not interfere with people using lunarlights in modpacks

i'm kinda iffy on content removals

[tawdry citrus]

boreal

[tawdry citrus]

who wants to find bugs i have to fix, lol

(aka play the moon and find out that nothing works)

i'm gonna release the moon in prob half an hour

[tired crown]

What's wrong with it?

[tawdry citrus]

doesnt look as good as the others

needs a bit more polish

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LustrousLuna/Lunar_Lights/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LustrousLuna/Incalescence/

[tired crown]

I think it looks fine as is

[tawdry citrus]

i dont <3

[tired crown]

I was really impressed by it when you released it so

[tawdry citrus]

well

its not the same quality as verdance and boreal

[tired crown]

Did you fix Verdance btw?

lol

[tawdry citrus]

it should be fixed

[tired crown]

Idk about that, it has it's own unique design to it honestly

[tawdry citrus]

i have a very specific feeling i want all my moons to have

for that pack

and it just isnt there

so im gonna go back and improve it a lil

[tired crown]

Btw if you don't mind me asking

Why did you change your steam name to such an odd name?

lol

[tawdry citrus]

i do mind you asking

[tired crown]

I have to know

lol

[tawdry citrus]

and i dont have to tell you <3

[tired crown]

Cus I see it popup constantly

[tawdry citrus]

i apologize for being passive agressive about it

i just dont have an obligation to explain myself to anyone

[tired crown]

I felt like it was like a meme I'm just not aware of

[tawdry citrus]

nop

[tired crown]

I wasn't asking you to explain yourself, just asked about it

Idk why you took it negative

[tawdry citrus]

we're just tired of being asked about name changes all the time

and it always comes from either you specifically or generally just people in this community

[tired crown]

I mean having DID ourselves you should know after a while one of us is gonna ask, however I'm not Lyra so I'm not being extra concerned or anything was just curious

[tawdry citrus]

a lot of our alters have pretty bad social anxiety and being asked about our name changes constantly makes us avoid changing and trying to find ourselves, or causes a lot of stress about it

[tired crown]

Yeah that's understandable and I know some of my alters haven't been the best about how they asked you about it

[tawdry citrus]

I'm not like that because I couldnt care less what people think of me.

but most of our alters have a hard time cuz of that

so thats why i came across as agressive/defensive about it

sooo

2 things

[merry ridge]

what's going on here?

also hi lunar

[tawdry citrus]

only important thing is i published boreal

[tired crown]

System talk mostly

But yeah

[merry ridge]

so cool

wish i could give it a try...

maybe i should skip school to do that 🤔

[tawdry citrus]

dont ask about it, or if you wanna check in about it, dms.

[tawdry citrus]

i dont think thats a good idea

[merry ridge]

wynaut?

[tawdry citrus]

cuz school is like 10000x more important than a lethal company mod that you can check out at any time afterwards

[merry ridge]

mhh

fair enough

but it hella boring ngl

[tawdry citrus]

yes it is

but its also extremely important

[merry ridge]

the only thing worth staying for is math class

because we're learning python

[tawdry citrus]

ehhh

[tired crown]

I only partically agree with this statement, I felt like High School was completely pointless druing my time I had to go through it

[tawdry citrus]

all of it is important

[merry ridge]

thats how i feel with 9 hours each day

its a dang 9-5 but no pay

[tawdry citrus]

i didnt get highschool

lol

[merry ridge]

dang

[tawdry citrus]

not gonna truama dump tho

[tired crown]

You didn't miss much

[tawdry citrus]

you're not allowed to say that

[tired crown]

Still remember how much our Original struggled in High School

[tawdry citrus]

i missed a lot

[tired crown]

I mean I'm saying based on our experience

You didn't miss much

[tawdry citrus]

i was there for about a month

[tired crown]

Idk what the School system in your area is like

Ours sucked the second we got in HS

[tawdry citrus]

my time in highschool was amazing

cuz i had good friends i could relate to

and i was able to express myself how i wanted to

for the first time in my life

[tired crown]

Hmmmm

[tawdry citrus]

that was ruined by shitty parents

that have always taken everything good from me

anyways

boreal is out, and my bday is in 3 days

[tired crown]

I'm sorry to have brought up bad memories, I just remembered our experience of High School being pretty bad besides getting our diploma

Any plans for your bday?

[tawdry citrus]

not at all

lol

i did have plans

which involved moving in with my gf

but my heart said no

so i gotta wait a few months to go get that looked at before i move out

[tired crown]

Yeah you told me about what happened

If you feel up for it, maybe you can join us for Lethal on your bday

[tawdry citrus]

would be fun

would be cool to play on boreal

and see what you think of it

[tired crown]

Yeah cus I won't be playing LC again til that day as well lol

Today will be Devour then over the weekend is DRG lol

[gentle mirage]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[tawdry citrus]

its still there

its just in a seperate mod

[gentle mirage]

Yeah i know but still

[untold thorn]

it is a little annoying having it split into a separate mod

since i previously had lunarlights in a modpack and just can't update it without messing with anything, so i'm just locked to this old version of the mod until incalescence is added back ;-;

[blissful gorge]

It's ultimately up to her but it's a really weird choice, I agree

[untold thorn]

ofc yeah im just expressing my opinion on it

since its an inconvenience for me and probably at least 1 other person out there with how many downloads it has

also another thing to note, as a pack creator, it's difficult to include a moon when you can't rely on it to stay the same

[tawdry citrus]

Why can't you just add Incalescence?

[snow kindle]

I think their concern is what if you add it back randomly on a next update and now they have the same moon twice / what if you seperate another moon from the moonpack you’ve got going on.
It did surprise me that you took it out of the pack, thought it was a super good lookin moon btw. I hope you ain’t gon ditch it!
(Also Im not takin any stance on the previous talk, I dont mind how you do your things but I can see how it can be frustrating for modpackers)

[tawdry citrus]

I'm not ditching it

[snow kindle]

Lovely 👌

[tawdry citrus]

I'm just trying to create a certain specific vibe for the moon pack

And it didn't quite fit

So I moved it out until its updated to be more in line with the others

[snow kindle]

I’m curious what you’ll end up doing for it ^^

[tawdry citrus]

Mostly just upgrading the visuals

Cleaning up the rough edges type stuff

It is low priority, so it'll be out of the pack for a bit

And after all the burnout from boreal, I'm taking a break to recharge

[tired crown]

Hopefully when you play with us on Monday for your bday it'll help with your burnout

[tawdry citrus]

Maybe

[tired crown]

Sometimes playing the game instead of modding it helps a lot lol

[tawdry citrus]

What'll help most is finally having boreal done

I pushed myself past the burnout and just finished the moon last night

Cuz I was tired of not being able to work on anything for longer than 5 minutes

[tired crown]

Fair

[tawdry citrus]

It felt so nice to have a finished moon instead of looking at it and only being able to focus on how much is left to do

[tired crown]

I bet

[tawdry citrus]

I do have a small update I need to do for boreal

I'm increasing interior size

And making fog a bit denser

And I miightt see how to make it get even darker at night

Cuz it doesn't get as dark as I want

[tawdry citrus]

finishing boreal was an instant delete of burnout

so i'm making destitute

Calamitous is its new name

renaming cuz of terminal issues

i think i'm gonna be a bit more secretive about the moon until its closer to being done

[tired crown]

Calamitous sounds too much like Calamity to me

[tawdry citrus]

guh

[tawdry citrus]

this is all you're getting

yes, its a bit different from the original destitute

well

a lot different

but

all of the other remakes are

so

yeah

theres a reason they're remakes and not remasters

they may be different

but they're better

[blissful gorge]

does the old moon pack still work btw?

[untold thorn]

yes this, i dislike the unpredictability

[tawdry citrus]

It should

I made a massive amount of progress on Calamitous last night

And if I keep the same pace

[snow kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-gif-19081723

[tawdry citrus]

It might be out tomorrow

Lol

As long as I'm dumping more time into it

It could be out before my birthday

[snow kindle]

Could be cool if you guys could play it on Lunx’s stream :p

I’ll try to join but no promises

[tawdry citrus]

That's a big motivator for getting it done soon

[tawdry citrus]

Would be cool to have you there

[normal nymph]

Calamitous?
||i better see lots of arsen OuO||

[tired crown]

Glad to see you're so excited for Monday that's good to see ^^

[tawdry citrus]

wuh

[tawdry citrus]

:3

[tawdry citrus]

calamitous might already be done

back on that OG celestial expansion release schedule, lol

[normal nymph]

and i happen to have tomorrow off. if a release happens, i greatly look forward to trying it as soon as it hits the launcher

[tawdry citrus]

awesome

[tawdry citrus]

lava shader broke in game

caused flickering

and other issues

so

not using it

gonna just have a flat image instead

which looks much worse

but eh

i'll do something better later

[tired crown]

Maybe ask @lyric copper for tips

[tawdry citrus]

was thinking about it

didnt wanna bother him

[tired crown]

Maybe try removing it casting shadows

It's probably too many shadows being cast

[tawdry citrus]

nop

[tired crown]

Hmmm

[tawdry citrus]

it was an issue with the scrolling texture

[tired crown]

I mean Starlancer got moving lava working on once of his moons

You could try asking him

[tawdry citrus]

i used an asset, instead of making it myself

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LustrousLuna/Lunar_Lights/

its here

i'm pretty happy with it

hope you guys like it

[tawdry citrus]

@lyric copper any chance you could help out with making actually good looking, moving lava?

[lyric copper]

I don't have any moving lava myself so uh
Probably not

[grave ibex]

You could probably ask audioknight, StarlancerZero/||Anomaly|| has some lava that flows from a volcano

[blissful gorge]

isn't it just an animated texture?

[normal nymph]

paid it a visit

LAVA MOON! 8D

and now, some small feedback

https://i.gyazo.com/07b3d6ac19607cba2d30358651a943ec.png the jutting rock my character is pointing at in this likes to have its texture scroll as i move. im guessing it's a LOD thing

https://i.gyazo.com/6e146f00d3bea92dd838c24ff7711c49.png definitely add some colliders to the rocks in this here river. sure they lead nowhere, but i say let the doomed crewmates figure that out

[tired crown]

I don't want a bunch of invisible colliders tbh

They suck

[normal nymph]

i meant on the rocks in the river

not a wall off

[tired crown]

@tawdry citrus These errors throw a lot on Boreal

[tawdry citrus]

No idea what that error means

Guh

[tawdry citrus]

Rocks too hot, they burn your feet :3

[tawdry citrus]

That's just an issue with the textures on that rock asset

I use those Rocks on all 3 moons

So it's basically just a quirk of the pack

Hehe

[snow kindle]

I can think of 2 things

either you have two meshes Z-fighting

or rock's texture is on triplanar or something like that

[tawdry citrus]

Nah

It's a completely different issue

On certain edges the rock texture flows like liquid when you move

It's a very strange issue

But it doesn't bother me

[snow kindle]

then its likely the second thing I wrote

I gotta check it out ingame

[tawdry citrus]

It's most likely an issue with how the details are applied to the rocks

It doesn't have z-fighting flashing

And the texture is def not set to triplanar

[snow kindle]

hmm

[tawdry citrus]

I'm not too worried about fixing it

It doesn't cause problems

Just looks a lil weird

It's the kinda problem you see once and think

"Huh, that's weird"

And move on

[tawdry citrus]

@next saddle you know how to fix these errors? i was told you might know how to help

[next saddle]

huh?

I'm guessing that's a Zeeker's script because I know it's not a base unity one. Are you using that script somewhere and forgot to attatch an audio source or smthn?

[tired crown]

So it's the outside light flashing sound that's missing cus Boreal has some facility stuff outside, you got the facility flickering sound to work outside on Pinnacle so I figured you could help

[next saddle]

I literally just copied the vanilla lights and didn't touch anything on them lol

[tawdry citrus]

hmm

i'll just delete the scripts from the lights

hopefully that'll be fixed in this update

[tawdry citrus]

about to upload something special

get ready for spooky verdance

@snow kindle you think you could recommend verdance as a moon for mithzan to play for halloween stuff?

i think it'd be perfect for that

[snow kindle]

Did you fix boreal errors? 🤔

[tawdry citrus]

they should be fixed

i removed the thing that was causing them

[snow kindle]

I’ll go to your moons today to checkout everything

[tawdry citrus]

:3

[snow kindle]

And then hell yeah! I’ll recommend it to Takerst too

[tawdry citrus]

awesomeee

[snow kindle]

Alrighty I've been to all 3

and omg

they all are so good..

[tawdry citrus]

oh?

any feedback?

[snow kindle]

not yet

[tired crown]

I also could have recommended them but was gonna wait til we did play testing on stream today in case any errors occurred

Since Takey prefers stuff to be stable before stuff is recommended to him

[snow kindle]

yeah I wanted to wait before recommending it to him but I've mentioned them a couple of weeks ago

[tawdry citrus]

currently testing with my gf

with no mods

to just make sure there arent errors

[tawdry citrus]

each moon has been tested

with no mods on

they are all error free as far as i can tell

i can now start getting ready for bed

so i can be up for the stream tomorrow

[grave ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-birthday-joy-happy-birthday-cheers-happy-birthday-celebration-happy-birthday-wishes-happy-birthday-party-gif-14201797372846861148

@tawdry citrus

i was planning on doing smth else but i’m in school rn so i’ll have to wait till i get home

[rotund tree]

games, unlimited games

[tawdry citrus]

And no games

[grave ibex]

unlimited supply

took way more effort to put into a google drive than it should have

[tawdry citrus]

Thats cool

<3

[dapper plover]

well I dont eat pig

[tawdry citrus]

working on a new moon

gonna make big progress tomorrow

i'll give you guys the name now tho

9-Luxuriant

[tired crown]

I almost wanted to guess that was a reference to me in some way

XD

Idk why

[tawdry citrus]

its just a word

[tired crown]

Ik

[tawdry citrus]

like all my other moon names

[tired crown]

I noticed that after

[tawdry citrus]

i just pick words that sound cool

[tired crown]

but my brain thought it said Lunx at first lol and I was like "Huh?"

XD

[tawdry citrus]

lol

[snow kindle]

[merry ridge]

whats with the flaoting rock?

i just saw this

floating*

[tired crown]

That's not there in the final release

Probably was just an issue in the WIP screenshot

[merry ridge]

hmm

fair enough

[tawdry citrus]

just spent 50$ on an asset pack

my moons are now not on a 0$ budget

[tawdry citrus]

Lunar Lights has passed 10k now!

[blissful gorge]

hell yea!!!

[tawdry citrus]

early progress on Luxuriant

[tawdry citrus]

moon almost done

:3

it wont be out for a bit after tho

cuz its big

need to optimize

[tired crown]

I feel like after this you need to make something other than Desert moons cus this is your 3rd Desert moon You should try making a Swamp Moon next I know Pepsiman wants more of those

[tawdry citrus]

I'll make one of those next

I got a 50$ asset pack, so I had to use it

[cold mica]

Moons

[tawdry citrus]

?

[blissful gorge]

Moons

[autumn spear]

Moons

[normal nymph]

to break the "Moons" thing, swamp moons are my 2nd most desired. 1st are lava moons. HOWEVER, Calamitous filled that void quite well, and i cant thank you enough for that

[tawdry citrus]

:3

[tawdry citrus]

Technically yes, but it is only the second one on the moon pack

[tawdry citrus]

it had major optimization issues

making swamp moon instead

[pastel lynx]

oof :,]

[tawdry citrus]

anyone have any good tree assets?

[tawdry citrus]

I feel like nobody is really interested in this moon pack

What's wrong with it?

What makes it worse/less popular than celestial expansion?

[tired crown]

I think you're worrying too much

I've only seen good things said about the moons pack the difference here is the old mod was out for a while so it gained some traction that's it

You've gotta not worry about this stuff or be paranoid

[tawdry citrus]

The last uploaded version of celestial expansion has 15k downloads

[tired crown]

Yes because of what I said

It was out for a while so it gained traction, also probably had use in mod packs

So like I said

You're worrying too much

[tawdry citrus]

This pack prob only has 5000 unique downloads

[tired crown]

Because

It's newer

It has a different name and is listed under a different Thunderstore user

So some people probably haven't had the time to discover it yet

In time it will surpass the old mod

You're doing an unfair comparison and making things seem negative

Also you can deprecate the old mod now btw

[pastel lynx]

I love your moons

and I highly recommend to almost everyone