Cruiser Improved

[heavy frigate]

that's fucking gnarly tysm :0

[oak oracle]

i want to sync motortorque, do a bit of tweaking and then i can push the update

well, a bit of cleanup on my pc before that, because it's a mess after this lol

this was more annoying than it should of been

ffs

[oak oracle]

you know

i had this issue before

and it's because 1.4.0 references "Mimics" in the .csproj

1.4.1 does not reference this, but that only works for v73

so i could push this update with LCVR, but it'll only be compatible with v73

[oak oracle]

...maybe

maybe it will work with v72 infact

i was referencing v1.4.1 of lcvr during testing

[oak oracle]

there is a bug with the steering wheel going to its actual position when you hop out but going to its vr position when you hop in, but i'm not entirely sure how to go about fixing this without altering vanilla behaviour and working with other mods that patch the steering the same way

it's a minor visual thing ig

[oak oracle]

:/

[oak oracle]

so if you aren't in vr it throws this and the vehicle doesn't spawn

great

[oak oracle]

i'm in a bit of a limbo right now

[heavy frigate]

ahh that's rough

[oak oracle]

i'm trying to see if this is something i can fix

i don't even know why it's throwing this

[heavy frigate]

oof

[oak oracle]

fucking stop bro 😭

[floral mist]

Get typeloadfix mod

But also its due to the way you're handling soft dependencies I believe :p

[oak oracle]

yeah i did and it just threw a big ol error

[floral mist]

Lol that's kinda funny

But also rip

[oak oracle]

this is how CI handles compat for VR

the compat is just "if player in vr don't run x y z"

[floral mist]

@somber stump?

[floral mist]

Oh that should work in terms of a soft dependency not throwing any errors I believe

[oak oracle]

and as far as i can tell it's going wrong here

[floral mist]

Oh, shouldn't it be doing

if (LCVRCompatibility.modEnabled && blahBlah
``` first?

I get that it does that in the getter, but no idea how well that works

[oak oracle]

i'm trying to check if not in vr

infact, i could rewrite my code to only have an invr check

nope, still does it

[oak oracle]

okay, turns out it's not the invrsession bool check

it's something else, guess i'll have to take a closer look lol

oh, i didn't even notice this before

yeah no, doesn't look like there's any getting round this while keeping it compatible with v72 + lcvr for the meantime

i would reference 1.4.0 of lcvr but it references a mimics package that can't be found

[oak oracle]

if it weren't for this, it would probably be okay

[oak oracle]

yeah no, it'll be in limbo for now, once everythings updated for 73 i can probably push it out the door without problem

[heavy frigate]

that sounds good

[oak oracle]

lcvr updated today for v73 funnily enough

[magic zephyr]

Just do what everyone else is doing and push the update then mention to not update if on v72

lol

[oak oracle]

i wanted to get lcvr compat out the door

[magic zephyr]

Ahhhhhh

[oak oracle]

but right now i can't keep it compat with v72 and have lcvr compat at the same time

i could push some of the other tweaks i made out the door

like motor torque/brake torque sync, removed extra wheels and slightly stiffer springs for better driveability

but i'm disappointed this is how it is rn

[magic zephyr]

fair

[oak oracle]

i could also:

push the tweaks/changes for 72

and then make an update for 73 + lcvr, but put in the description to downgrade if you want to use 72, but state lcvr won't work with ci
that sounds extremely suboptimal though and a little messy

so i'd rather just wait on it first

[heavy frigate]

lol ye I saw

sorry if my messages are short my phone is ass

[oak oracle]

if it weren't for the missing mimics reference, i could push it out for 72

no worries

lcvr appears to have removed the mimics reference for 1.4.1

i guess it was problematic for them too

[somber stump]

This looks like you aren't running the latest version of the game? Because that's thrown because it didn't find a method by string, which, how the fuck could that fail? Can you send full logs?

[oak oracle]

yeah no this is for v72

i was trying to see if i could keep lcvr compat with ci for v72 until everything on 73 is ironed out

[somber stump]

Ah, makes sense 👍

[oak oracle]

it seems like i won't be able to do that, which is fine, i'll just wait on pushing an update

lcvr updated for 73 anyways

[somber stump]

Oh nice

[oak oracle]

and i figured out why lcvr + ci broke, and it isn't a difficult fix

[timber pasture]

How is progress on a V73 update?

[oak oracle]

this mod works fine in v73 from my testing, the only thing that needs updating/fixing is VR support, but that has needed fixing for a while

[heavy frigate]

oh i was purposefully disabling this mod on v73 packs

fuck

i been MISSIN OUT

[oak oracle]

silly goob

i've literally been using CI in pub lobbies recently lol

even on lunx streams i've seen CI is working properly

all the networking is fine

[timber pasture]

Saaaame

[heavy frigate]

i do not pop in there LOL

that's good that it works tho ty

[timber pasture]

I am sometimes poppin' in and I never noticed lol

[oak oracle]

I think now that more people are going back to 73, I'll probably release an update for v73 vr support with ci

[heavy frigate]

yaaay

[wraith shard]

yay

[quasi sonnet]

That would be nice. Since the LLL fork update, the v73 floodgates have been opened

[oak oracle]

i've finally added a patch for the passenger seat collision bug

after so much procrastination

[oak oracle]

i might also throw in a quick patch for a nullref that was introduced in v70 by zeekerss

(when hitting enemies)

i have my VR with me now, i'm going to test that everything works and if it is working, then i'll push the update out the door

also, i synced the wheel torque, not that it matters too much, but i did it

i justtt need the cover for my other controller

[thin hearth]

just to double check

did you or digg ever fix the KillEnemy check being replaced with HitEnemy in the v70 update

sorry i phrased that badly

anyways the cruiser uses HitEnemy when it should use HitEnemyOnLocalClient and used to use KillEnemy instead of KillEnemyOnOwnerClient

did you make sure CI patches both HitEnemys properly

[oak oracle]

got it!

[oak oracle]

i'll be honest i sort of forgot about this

[thin hearth]

lol i see

well, if you're doing a compatibility update, consider it? 🙂

i havent noticed any issues arising with enemy HP desync (if there was, it probably would be pretty minor) but it always makes my day to know minor errors are getting corrected

[oak oracle]

yeah i can take a look

[thin hearth]

because i am a normal child

[oak oracle]

alotta "minor errors" on the cruiser.. haha

unfortunately i can't go overboard, i have to keep this mod vanilla compatible :)

as much as i would like to

[oak oracle]

oh that's cool, my VR compat for the cabin light is completely bricking the CC

[kind minnow]

Was told this is the better place to ask about this

[oak oracle]

i probably should of told you that DiggC isn't really active and i am the maintainer for CruiserImproved right now, i would of seen this anyways and said the same thing lol

[kind minnow]

lmao

[oak oracle]

it's fine in my thread, idm, its for anything all vehicles lol

would of been more fitting to ask here but, it's okay

[oak oracle]

anyways yeah, i'm just not interested in restoring this behaviour at all, as it would make the cruiser way more overpowered than it already is (in vanilla)

maybe buttery could restore it as a balancing change in her mod

but for CI i'm just not interested in doing so

it just makes the cruiser one tap the bird for example, which really rubs me the wrong way

[kind minnow]

That's okay, I could care less about the game balance implications if it puts a smile on my friend's face

but I undystand

[quasi sonnet]

Cruiser would need some sort of trade-off to have instant-kill rams again

[quasi sonnet]

Btw Buttery is a girl

[oak oracle]

oh shit, woops!!!

i forgot!! 😭

[oak oracle]

it practically has none right now

it's insanely durable, if it goes crit it regens nearly all its health, it can fly over maps and eliminate all outdoor gameplay

[quasi sonnet]

I think if the regen was nerfed, giant jumps were addressed, and its price was increased, it would be balanced

[oak oracle]

revert it back to v55 :)

utter garbage vehicle

[quasi sonnet]

It was genuinely awful in the betas though, it was more slippery and less durable than on release

I think v60 behavior with higher cost and no insta-kill ram would be good

[oak oracle]

cruiser had no real change between 56 and 60

[oak oracle]

it had more traction

the durability was identical to 56-69

it was just more lethal to players in the event of collisions, couldn't jump or be healed with weedkiller (had to be taken into orbit to fully heal) and it had a bug where enemies could see through vehicle layer

i love my v55-hybrid cruiser mod :)

if you got into a collision that was enough to break the windshield and you were sat in the cab it would instakill

in 56 it was changed to damage you dependant on your H

HP*

i've gone over the v55 car in my download of the v55 beta many times many times over, and alot of the stats are identical

i think the "less lethality to players" in the event of a collision created a placeabo effect that the cruiser was more durable

when in fact it really wasn't

[oak oracle]

it had so much more that the wheels were actually quite unstable, but it was still super grippy

people are too used to the modern day cruiser, and the v55 cruiser wasn't around for that long before being tweaked and changed. alot of people just end up remembering terrible experiences with it, so automatically assume the v55 car was the worst thing to exist

[quasi sonnet]

Well it had the worst durability and like you said, it was less stable than v56

I think the v55-56 changes were a good thing

[oak oracle]

no, the durability was identical to v56 all the way to 69

and people misassume that v56 increased its durability

when that's not true

in v70 the durability was buffed massively

but throughout the entire of v55-v69 the cruiser received no durability changes

[quasi sonnet]

The durability might have been the same, but I swear it had some sort of reliability improvement during the betas

Improved collision logic or smth

[oak oracle]

in v56 the cruiser received:

less traction
less lethality to players in the event of a collision
removed ability to kill anything with a size less than 1f (mimics, and i think even baboon hawks)
ability to lurch the car and boost the car
ability to use weedkiller on the car
fixed bug with enemies seeing through car
partial protection if in the truck with the back door shut
items save when left in the car

there were some other bug fixes but they aren't as relevant so i've not listed them

[quasi sonnet]

Ah well, I don’t mean to stir an argument

[oak oracle]

no no don't worry about it lol

you aren't stirring an argument

i know stuff like "the v55 car was less durable than 56" was spread around like wildfire

despite it being blatantly not true

[quasi sonnet]

I mean it definitely felt that way

[oak oracle]

i think it's a placebo effect

[quasi sonnet]

I was there for the first beta and it felt like it blew up if you looked at it the wrong way

[oak oracle]

all the other improvements made it "feel better" as a whole

[oak oracle]

i think there's a reason for this

the car was new
no one had used it before

no one knew how to drive it properly

everyone has had time to get used 56+ cruiser though

and they just misremember what the 55 car was actually like

because they didn't know how to drive it, so it blew up constantly

and they automatically assume its the cars fault

ya'feel?

[quasi sonnet]

Perhaps

[oak oracle]

some of the other bugs were a little bullshit and made it feel horrible to use as well

like enemies seeing through cars

that was especially bad

and the fact the v55 car had no enemy protection in the slightest

i still think it was the most fun the cruiser ever was

if you made the 400 bucks spent worth it, it was so, so rewarding

[oak oracle]

oh yeah in 56 the cruiser also dropped to 370 but

irrelevant rn

[quasi sonnet]

I found where I first heard the misinformation

[oak oracle]

yeah no that's completely wrong

i've gone over the stats multiple times in my download of the v55 beta and compared it to the modern day one

cuz i needed to know if it was less durable, cuz if it was, then i wanted to apply those stats to my v55-hybrid cruiser

[quasi sonnet]

We love LC Wiki 🫠

[oak oracle]

but they were all the same

the health, all the car bump forces, everything identical

[quasi sonnet]

I see

[oak oracle]

unless there's something i missed, but i'm fairly confident i didn't

i was using unityexplorer to look through it

[quasi sonnet]

I trust your word over the site that has hosted multiple hoaxes

[thin hearth]

well in fairness

i fell prey to the misinformation too because this is a quote from zeekerss

and not just random shit they put on the wiki

until scandal told me "car HP was the same in v55" i had no idea

maybe zeekerss meant something else with "increased durability" but who knows

[oak oracle]

if there's something else underlying he changed, then i can't really check that without having a patched project of v55

as for the stats and everything else, they're the exact same

[thin hearth]

yeah idk and hoenstly i dont super care to look

i feel like the player lethality changes are a lot more clearly defined

and reverting those is probably a lot more interesting for cruiser gameplay anyway

i dont want the car to be made out of tissue paper

but it definitely shouldn't farm dogs by just sitting in park somewhere

[oak oracle]

^

[thin hearth]

and i think it's probably a little too forgiving of players crashing it into stuff and walking away with minor injuries

i'd like to get into a horrible car crash

shatter the windshield

light the engine on fire

[oak oracle]

the v55 car kills you in the event of a collision, but only if its enough to break the windshield

[thin hearth]

and start limping away from the crash spilling blood all over the floor

[oak oracle]

if only damages people in the back/stood on top etc

[thin hearth]

lol i think that's probably too severe

i feel like you should be able to shatter the windshield without immediately succumbing to death

but i think right now it only does like 40 damage or so which is pretty minor in the grand scheme

[oak oracle]

also, the velocity wasn't synced in collisions in v55

which meant the driver could die and the passenger wouldn't

which is extremely funny to me

your passenger watches in horror as your lifeless body lumps over the steering wheel with bananas playing... it's too funny

[oak oracle]

it varies on magnitude

[thin hearth]

i think this is one of the best possible interactions with the cruiser actually

there is nothing funnier than being passenger princess and then your driver dies without switching gears

and the car just goes all over the place in drive mode

[thin hearth]

bonus points if you are mauled horribly in the process

[oak oracle]

i remember there was a video i once watched

https://youtu.be/kxoFkhSu4Qg?t=30

this one

[thin hearth]

LOL

this is good

oh and this was the version where it was bugged and alerted jeff every single frame....

oh goodness

[oak oracle]

yup LOL

mine doesn't do that dw

the silence as he stared at the body in the drivers seat

😭

[oak oracle]

i'm actually not sure why this didn't break the windshield

regardless this is funny

[thin hearth]

anyways that is unfortunate

mostly for selfish reasons

[oak oracle]

you could restore it as part of butterybalance maybe

[thin hearth]

i want "v69 cruiser durability and damage" combined with "doesn't instakill the sapsucker" BUT im also lazy and dont want to write the code to do it myself

as im assuming you are in the same position

[oak oracle]

i guess it would be an "improvement" to have instakill but, for reasons i'm not interested in that, esp for a mod that works client side

[thin hearth]

anyways if you're confident you won't touch it, it at least gives me clarity on "implementing it myself shouldn't cause issues"

so i will put it on my to-do list without fear of conflict

[oak oracle]

^

it should be pretty simple to restore

changing out the 12 damage hitenemy call or whatever to just killenemyonownerclient

[thin hearth]

yeah i guess it's fair that someone could probably just cheat and load it up clientside

[thin hearth]

TBH if i was implementing this, i'd probably just change the cruiser's damage ID to something unique

and make the giants take bonus damage from that damage type

[oak oracle]

that could probably work

[thin hearth]

because it really only matters for instakilling giants (and I guess maybe I could also apply it to maneaters, but this is such a rare interaction i dont really care)

im totally fine with the cruiser's weird jank for killing sapsuckers but losing the giant insta feels terrible especially on dine

and i never asked for the cruiser durability buffs that he gave it "as a consolation prize" (if you want to justify it that way)

so i'd really be happier just flipping the switch back

but keeping the sapsucker behavior as is because it's fine

[quasi sonnet]

My ideal Cruiser:

• v56 durability

• v73 damage properties

• boost jump chaining is harder (no free Art jump)

• 700 credits

• Damage from collisions I am not sure about, ig breaking windshield could put you on crit

• I think it not instantly killing Giants is a good thing, they felt kinda trivialized

[thin hearth]

someone will bring up some modded enemy where it actually matters and then i will have reason to do it the proper way

[oak oracle]

i may add giant protection on my v55 cruiser

i mean

dog

.

let me reword

i may add dog anti hit protection to my v55 car

like what CI does

[quasi sonnet]

I mean you have set the precedent that you do not account for other mods much

[oak oracle]

my v55 car also uses the v70 enemy damage system but i did play around with some of the numbers

i also restored the 1f enemy size shit

maybe i'll restore the insta-kill, but i'unno right now

it's not meant to be a perfect 1:1 v55 car

[quasi sonnet]

I think 15 damage per ram instead of 12 could be good, 2 hits for Giant/Sapsucker instead of 3

Make it not free but also not too tedious

[thin hearth]

they felt kinda trivialized
personally I dont feel like this is the case, but I wouldnt say this is an unreasonable perspective... for me it boils down to:

1. instakills only happen at the "highest velocity threshold" for damage, and AFAIK that puts you at significant risk of death if you crash into anything that's not a monster
2. giants on wooded maps like vow would be protected by trees which make it awkward to gain momentum + damage your car
3. rend is extremely awkward to drive on and has awful visibility, so i dont think giants ever feel like a "free kill" there
4. on dine and artifice i do agree it's "more free", but dine also spawns giants like a motherfucker, and old birds can melt them down anyway

obviously #2 is speaking from the perspective that giant instakill would come with reverting the overtuned damage resistance from v70

[oak oracle]

trees don't actually damage your car :)

[thin hearth]

side tangent but i think it's nicer this way

[oak oracle]

which one? the instakill?

[thin hearth]

i dont think any version of vanilla has had a perfect car and i think it's much cooler to take the best parts of each iteration to make a hybrid car

[quasi sonnet]

I guess I should say I mostly play modded so that skews my perspective a bit

[oak oracle]

ahh

[quasi sonnet]

Vanilla moons are more crowded so lining up a clean ram is harder

[oak oracle]

yeah that's completely true

[thin hearth]

yeah obviously im talking from a vanilla perspective so i *lack some of your insight as well

as usual there is the "modded vs vanilla" divide

[oak oracle]

the v55 car has been a mix of, well, v55 car (zeekerss original vision), my own tweaks/improvements/changes based on what i felt was "right" for it, and taking some pages out of CI

and obviously i added.. the gimmick.. the funny one

[thin hearth]

also yes this decision was stupid i think

i would have been "more fine" with cruiser getting an HP buff, or smaller adjustments

but like

[oak oracle]

if you change the last false to a true you can make trees damage cars

[thin hearth]

collisions that used to instantly deduct 20% of the cruiser's HP (6 damage) now only deal 2

[oak oracle]

there is code to allow it to take damage from Object

[thin hearth]

and several collisions that did less damage just no longer deal damage at all or only deal 1

the fact that the cruiser can just bulldoze trees without taking damage makes vow kind of a joke

i thought it was fun having to figure out a path where you minimize impact with trees on the way over and on the way back, because if you played recklessly, it was super easy to run out of durability and explode before you got back home

that entire microgame is just gone now because you know no matter how many trees you hit the cruiser will resist

[quasi sonnet]

I still will say though, Artifice and Dine are the two Cruiser moons and they also are the easiest for raming. Embrion would also be easy for rams if Giants were a consideration there. Mostly by coincidence, the worst moons for Cruiser are ones you would not bother with it anyway (Vow, Experimentation). March is interesting but I never play it vanilla so I cannot ay much there

[oak oracle]

vow is pretty easy with cruiser

aside from bulldozing trees

[quasi sonnet]

Ah well maybe I have skill issue

[oak oracle]

i may make trees deal damage to my v55 car

[quasi sonnet]

The hills make it fall over a lot

[oak oracle]

i'll probably just prefix the TerrainObstacleTrigger and check the tag of the object to make sure it's not a snowman (for my v55 car)

otherwise, having snowmen deal damage would be stupid

[quasi sonnet]

To think the snowmen were not even destroyable with Cruiser

[oak oracle]

they are now hehe

so i gotta take them into consideration

[quasi sonnet]

They don’t spawn anymore though

[oak oracle]

that's true

however

butterybalance:

[quasi sonnet]

Ye

[oak oracle]

infact i'm going to make the tree change now

[quasi sonnet]

I am a CustomOutsideObjects enjoyer myself

Anyway though I wanna hammer home the price. 370 or even 400 is way too low. I think the Jetpack’s old price of 700 is perfect

Maybe outside this mod’s scope but I wanna say it

[oak oracle]

i think 400 was fine for the v55 car

because of how "objectively shit" it was

[quasi sonnet]

Well yeah

But that’s not really what we are dealing with

[oak oracle]

but yeah 370 is wayy too cheap rn

[quasi sonnet]

I think the ideal car we were talking about should still cost 600-700, keep in mind you get a second one for free

[oak oracle]

as it turns out

trees dont damage the car at all anymore

in v55 they did

[thin hearth]

i love driving on march

we play v9 march (more items, smaller interior)

and it feels like you get justifiable profits for the visit, get good mileage out of the car, have a fun drive

bonus points if you enable rain and use the wipers for atmosphere

[oak oracle]

the wipers on mine make a little wiping noise :)

[thin hearth]

in vanilla march is still a great place to use cruiser but most of the game is spent being inside finding nothing

and the cruiser winds up feeling a little unnecessary for the amount of loot you find

so it sorta suffers the experimentation problem

i also think cruiser is fine on vow, you get enough items that cruiser doesnt feel like a waste of time (although not so many that you need it, either)

agree with the rest of your post

[thin hearth]

personally i dont mind the price but i also wouldnt mind if the warranty vanished

i was fine with the cruiser at 400, and -30 felt like it was just a small boon to justify its purchase to the many skeptics of v55

[oak oracle]

..the warranty may very much be needed with my v55 car

[thin hearth]

i would probably prefer cruiser costed 370/400 but just had to be reordered every time

[oak oracle]

"we are so confident in the quality of this product" --> good luck

[thin hearth]

but at the same time the warranty is a good gag so maybe that is not ideal

i think the warranty is sort of imperfect from a gameplay perspective because the cruiser is pretty much the only thing that makes interactint with the death penalty meaningful

you can only buy one car at a time, once per day

so if you need to replace it and have no warranty you gotta hold your cash and try to minimize losses

[oak oracle]

i really want to figure out a way to address this

maybe i could implement a system where, if your cruiser is destroyed and you buy another one, the destroyed one just becomes a static prop with no vehiclecontroller script attached or anything

[thin hearth]

meanwhile you can buy an infinite number of items to use all your money and store it on the ship to completely nullify death penalty

[thin hearth]

i have mixed feelings

on one hand i think not being able to order a new cruiser if you destroyed your old one is dumb

on the other hand it contributes to solving the death penalty problem i mentioned

so i dont think it is a pointless feature either

[oak oracle]

hmm

[thin hearth]

if you could just wreck your car, order a brand new one and get a warranty too, then leave for orbit... now you have 2 cars for the rest of quota and death penalty is avoided yet again

[oak oracle]

well, my idea was like above, if you order one after one was destroyed, the destroyed one becomes a static prop with no vehiclecontroller attached or anything

[thin hearth]

sorry i mean like

if your friends wreck the car and die

and you know youre gonna get penaliz3d

you can spend your money buying a new car pre penalty, which you could use for all of tomorrow

and the warranty would cover the third day

ironically the warranty is actually a detriment here because it blocks you from spending your money

though i guess you could just destroy it too, then buy the new car

[oak oracle]

i think i get what you're saying?

i don't know why you'd intentionally destroy the car

there's only one reason i can think of and it would never happen in vanilla

and it's the fact the warranty system applies to all vehicles

you could destroy a cheap cruiser and get something better for free, if you play with modded vehicles

[thin hearth]

yeah im talking purely in the context of how it interacts with death penalty, and how to avoid wasting money from casualty fines

[oak oracle]

ohh wait, you mean how the car prevents you buying it full price to prevent losing so much money when people die..?

[thin hearth]

say you have $400 and someone died and the car is gone. youd rather spend that money getting another car right? but vanilla stops you until you go into orbit and lose too much money.

if you could infinitely buy cars, and you have a warranty, you would want to spend your warranty, wreck the car, spend your money, and then you get an instant car + the new warranty for day 3

it is a silly scenario but something to think about i think

[oak oracle]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

i see

[thin hearth]

logicallly speaking

being locked out of a car until you go to space and despawn your old one is Stupid and Sucks!

[oak oracle]

right yeah, i see what you mean now

[thin hearth]

but gameplay wise it does encourage interaction with an otherwise completely cheesable system

so i wonder if there is a compromise somewhere

[quasi sonnet]

I feel this scenario is not a factor because the players who would do that probably just savescum

[oak oracle]

do you have a "ideal solution" in mind?

[thin hearth]

LOL you do have a point

[thin hearth]

not really

and im probably splitting hairs

i think vanilla just needs to implement the death penalty better

or do away with it completely if it is just gonna be an afterthought like it currently is

[oak oracle]

icic

[quasi sonnet]

Only easy thing I can think of is that penalty is immediately applied when someone dies

[oak oracle]

speaking of the warranty

ik zeekerss didn't intend on additional vehicles but

i wish it was per vehicle

instead of every vehicle

[thin hearth]

lol yes

he implemented the bare dreggs of an extendable vehicle system

[oak oracle]

i'll admit i've cheesed it once or twice but still

[thin hearth]

but there is still way too much that just assumes single car because he hasnt yet had to design around the possibilkty of other vehicles

[oak oracle]

the amount of hacky garbage i have to do

😭

[thin hearth]

modders would have to implement so much to properly handle those expected interactions anyway

[thin hearth]

yeah

[quasi sonnet]

Not sure why we would

[thin hearth]

just you wait and see

[oak oracle]

the sapsucker is the worst case of this imo

[thin hearth]

v60 liquidation and it is coming with the jetty vehicke

[oak oracle]

submarine cruiser

[quasi sonnet]

Well if it functions differently than the Cruiser then sure

But the mods rn are just more cars

[oak oracle]

zeekerss still creates problems for these

[quasi sonnet]

Which I doubt Zeek would do

[thin hearth]

it's true, but if you have a $400 car that gives a warranty that can apply to a $1200 car due to zeekerss' systems

thats a problem you are moving out of the bounds of vanilla to fix

[quasi sonnet]

What makes that car $1200 😭

Wait you are being hypothetical

[thin hearth]

so youre not really getting the benefit of "the dev made multiple vehicles possible" because so little actually supports that possibility out of the box

[thin hearth]

yeah sorry just hypotheticals

[oak oracle]

used 2002 toyota camry for 1200 dollars

[thin hearth]

right now terminal just has a singular warranty ticket flag

[oak oracle]

3000x more durable than the CC

1.6 liters of japans finest

[thin hearth]

and if you have the warranty ticket, all vehicles are freee

[quasi sonnet]

It does surprise me how difficult these seemingly simple fixes are

[thin hearth]

back in the v55 days all items were free :)

[oak oracle]

this is true!

i will not be restoring that haha

[quasi sonnet]

$400 Jetpack (+ car ig) 🤑

[thin hearth]

this bug is silly but i think it is my favorite bug in the game's history perhaps

[quasi sonnet]

According to LC Wiki, Experimentation had 14 indoor power during a v55 beta

[oak oracle]

zeekerss confirmed this was unintentional

idk how you mess that up

at all

why he was messing with exp, we'll never know

exp having 14 indoor power level should be a thing for butterybalance as part of april fools

"the unbalancing update"

[quasi sonnet]

Also Giants could see through trees because he messed up their properties while making them destroyable

Giant buff 🔥 🔥

[quasi sonnet]

That one is hard to beat though

[oak oracle]

as part of cruiserimproveds april fools update i will be deleting the cruiser from existence "the v50 update" /j

[quasi sonnet]

What is funny is there are more than a few people who think v50 was the peak of the game. I am not saying that in terms of v50 being the best update (it was), I mean they think v56+ actively worsened the game

I do think v55-69 was a mixed bag, but I would never go this far

[oak oracle]

v56 did kinda ruin the fun imo, and it's because of the "cruiser meta"

[quasi sonnet]

I am surprised Art jump was never addressed

I guess Zeek just did not care after the Jetpack fiasco

I don’t blame him

Then he buffs Cruiser in v72, like bro 😭

[oak oracle]

i haven't used the boost feature in so long

[oak oracle]

v70 but yeah

[quasi sonnet]

I think every single moon has a jump

[oak oracle]

yes it does

[quasi sonnet]

Even if some are kinda dumb

[oak oracle]

some guy on youtube called oldwampa made an entire series called "how to use the cruiser on (moon here)" and they all feature jumping

some of them are so stupid

like the titan one

and the one on adamance where he just says to casually drive off a cliff lol

[quasi sonnet]

Gotta play optimally my guy 💪

[oak oracle]

driving ftw 💪

oh no wait sorry i'm "playing the game wrong"

please don't get the pitch forks out :(

[quasi sonnet]

Oh yeah also, if we make Cruiser more expensive than TZP has more of a reason to exist

[oak oracle]

wyt

wut

[quasi sonnet]

Well like why would you buy TZP for 80 when Cruiser is 370, not a big jump for good players

34 seconds of speed boost vs infinite free tickets between main and ship

In my modpack I made Cruiser 600 (now 700) and made TZP 50, and my group was actually making TZP strats for the early/mid game moons. It was pretty novel

[oak oracle]

@thin hearth trees damaging my v55 cruiser :)

[oak oracle]

@quasi sonnet i patched my v55 project and well, yeah, the stats are the same

[quasi sonnet]

Well now I can easy easy

[edgy dust]

Guys, does the mod support v73 of the game?

[cobalt prairie]

it isnt updated for v73 but apparently works aside from lcvr integration

[edgy dust]

Alrighty, ty

[spring brook]

This option doesn't work, or is it a mod incompatibility? The tools aren't separated from scraps.

[oak oracle]

I got a report about this a while ago on the GitHub, but it just keeps slipping my mind to look into it

[small lance]

I'm having this error. V73. When I interact with the lever to go to a moon, the orange circle (loading, which appears when interacting) does not appear. The ship does not descend to the moon.

[oak oracle]

🤔

I've not had this issue before

Could you provide a modpack code perchance?

[small lance]

After removing some mods, the problem was solved. I'm not sure what was causing the conflict, but if I find out, I'll post it here.

[oak oracle]

If I must ask, did you have HQOL?

Someone reported to me that apparently CI is incompatible with HQOL, so just a curiosity question

[small lance]

HQOL? Sorry, but is that a specific mod?

[oak oracle]

I'll take that as a no

[small lance]

Oh, no

[oak oracle]

That's fine then

If you find out what caused it, you can let me know

[outer zodiac]

Hello~ I dunno if this mod is currently maintained but I'll report something
first I dont know what effects might it cause on a game but when I tried some test launch of my pack, seems CI breaking something on 3 mods in my pack.
Pocket Rooms by melanie, ShipInventoryUpdated, and SelfSortingStorage
this is a testing pack with the said mods :
019bf97b-f7e8-7b13-e503-bf82b29f5226

logs if needed

[outer zodiac]

@oak oracle pinged you just incase. sorry for the ping tho 😅

[oak oracle]

according to sss cruiserimproved isn't compatible, but it doesn't explain what breaks and I haven't had any time to investigate, I've barely been on my computer much at all for various reasons

if I had to guess, you could try disable sort equipment on load and see if that "fixes" whatever issues your having

considering it's item related

[outer zodiac]

its already toggled off in my main pack tho 😭

[oak oracle]

i don't exactly know what issues it's even causing, im just taking a complete guess at the moment as that had to do with items and it "seems like" it could cause issues, but I haven't been able to investigate yet

[quaint stratus]

this mod breaks when I have VR enabled in my pack

(pack is WigwamLC)

[oak oracle]

I'm aware of VR not working with CI

I know the issue for that, but just haven't been able to push a fix for it

[spring brook]

Im not 100% sure but it looks like dawnlib save system has some kind of "sort equipment on load"

[floral mist]

Sort equipment on load? Wdym?

I save their positions and rotations, making sure they don't fall off of stuff like furniture, cupboards etc

[spring brook]

Idk why half the items was inside ship since i turn off CI option

[outer zodiac]

tried and tested on a test pack I send. its already fixed. the issue is from pocket room lib. sorry for wrong report 😭

[oak oracle]

lol no worries

i saw melanie mentioning something about their transpiler causing issues with ci

didn't read too much into it

[spring brook]

[Host] Fix items left floating where the Cruiser was when reloading a save. All items will now be moved into the ship instead of just some. Looks like dawnlib save system reverts that fix by this mod.

[rancid sage]

Transpiler specifically from Pocket rooms (which I don't have) or also from the other stuff like 2 story? Only recently added Cruiser Improved and coincidentally getting a flat error on lobby joins now :|

I don't know if issues there could cause that.

[barren crane]

hello, this is why #1346074618854899732 message

[spring brook]

What could cause all items from the cruiser to disappear (only happened twice)?

midgame

first time was on artifice and second time was on adamance

[oak oracle]

can't say i've heard of this issue before

[oak oracle]

i may have a cheap fix for LCVR (disabling the cab light interaction for now, lol)

it also seems that i might've successfully transpiled the second HitEnemy call to use HitEnemyOnLocalClient instead, which was the thing bothering me for a while

i've also obviously got a fix for the passenger seat lined up as well

i also have a mild fix for the wacky suspension, it should keep the ride height as close to vanilla as possible but should fix some issues with it violently shaking

[spring brook]

Could you fix that problem with CruiserImproved teleporting items that aren't in the cruiser into the ship? So it only teleporters items from the cruiser

[oak oracle]

nope my transpiler did not work, demotivating

[oak oracle]

i haven't heard of this issue

[spring brook]

I'm using dawnlib save system which overrides cruiserimproved and this didn't happen anymore. But dawnlib doesn't bring all cruiser items into the ship (its like vanilla)

[oak oracle]

what

[spring brook]

Dawnlib overrides this one [Host] Fix items left floating where the Cruiser was when reloading a save. All items will now be moved into the ship instead of just some.

[oak oracle]

are you asking me to override dawnlibs system?

i don't even know exactly what dawnlib does in regards to this

[spring brook]

Nope, I'm saying that if I use Dawnlib's save system, items that aren't in the cruiser aren't teleported into the ship. Though Dawnlib only teleports a few items from the cruiser, like vanilla does.

[oak oracle]

so wouldn't this be more of an issue with dawnlib?

[floral mist]

is cruiserimproved doing that fix via a transpiler?

[spring brook]

Yes, but the cruiser improved issue is that bring items that aren't even in the cruiser

[oak oracle]

yeah

[floral mist]

no wonder it gets overriden lol, i replace vanilla's saving loading and spawning of items to a more stable version, but it does also mean just vanilla behaviour on most interactions

[oak oracle]

ic

[floral mist]

also are you saying theres an issue with cruiser improved's implementation to begin with?

[spring brook]

yes

sometimes when i reload the lobby items that i sold in the company or lost are there again.

[floral mist]

is that still happening with dawnlib's save stuff turned on?

im looking at cruiser improved's patch it doesnt seem like it'd cause anything like that

[spring brook]

nope

So its a vanilla issue?

[floral mist]

i dont think so, i would imagine another mod is doing that

that i'd also be overriding because im overriding vanilla

ill look at what cruiserimproved is specifically doing and try to apply the whole items moving to ship if they're not there and push that

do you have an easy way for me to repro this?

it sounds like the item is close enough to the ship it thinks its inside but far enough its still outside

[oak oracle]

nevermind i'm wrong it did work

🥴

[floral mist]

noice

[spring brook]

Play the first day (i usually put items in the cupboard)
second day: you die
third day reload the save

[floral mist]

its alright i got it

pushing in a sec

[oak oracle]

also going to add a quick fix for some ignition parameters not being set properly in TryIgnition for clients

namely, the cabin light not being set on properly and keyIsInIgnition not being set properly

[oak oracle]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DiggC/CruiserImproved/ i've just pushed an update (1.5.3) for CruiserImproved, this should fix:

• passengers not having their collisions disabled properly
• ignition parameters not being set properly
• wheel motor and brake torque not being synced
• fast impacts potentially causing health desync

and, as a (cheap) fix, i've disabled the cabin light interaction in VR, this should mean that you can use LCVR and CruiserImproved again now

now you can stop bothering me with your cruiser flying away because you got in at a weird angle!! lmao

any issues caused by this update, let me know!!

also not sure when it'll come through on thunderstore

ah, it came through, mint

i also left like half of those changes out of the changelog 🥴

woopsie

[oak oracle]

oh, right, i forgot to stiffen the suspension a tad more

the cruiser might feel a little funky, lmao
will address this as a hotfix as soon as i can 🥴

[clear mantle]

does the passenger collision thing fix getting struck by lightning in the passenger seat?

[oak oracle]

that's not a bug

the passenger seat fix, fixes a bug where passengers dont get collision disabled, and it can result in the cruiser flying away when getting in

this one specifically

getting struck by lightning is not a bug however, you can also be struck as the driver

too lazy to write all of this again but you can have a gander at this (this was in response to someone saying lightning striking you in the cruiser is a bug)

tl;dr there's no special code to prevent lightning striking you while seated in a vehicle, the cruiser has no roof overhead, tools too close to the front can cause lightning to "hit you", rng lightning is just you getting unlucky, having the car tilted up can cause lightning to gank you (as lightning strikes downwards)

[magic zephyr]

It was a peak bug though, I have no idea how we kept forgetting about it. We kinda grew a habit of Jumping into the passenger seat and sitting down and I don’t think Alex knew about it so she went to get in the normal way there and bye bye went the Cruiser lolol

[oak oracle]

its an easy one to forget about

it doesn't happen 100% of the time

and most people get in through the top

[magic zephyr]

Yeah XD

[oak oracle]

anyways this bug should be fixed now

[clear mantle]

interesting i never got struck as the driver but had seen multiple passengers getting randomly killed by lightning

[oak oracle]

they probably held metal tools

[clear mantle]

no

[oak oracle]

rng lightning unlucky then

or tools too close to the front cab

again you need to remember there's literally nothing above your head lol

anyways ive been struck as a driver sometimes

[clear mantle]

yeah i think it is that

or when taking sharp turns

[oak oracle]

sharp turns i'm not too sure

reversing can increase your chance of being struck

[clear mantle]

that too

[clear jasper]

might a config problem, but anyone sitting as passager is stuck facing forwad and jumping on the sit, while also taking damage the the cruiser is driving

client also have the same bug when driving the cruiser

also, anyone get insta killed from running over something

[clear jasper]

like

[oak oracle]

I don't feel like this is a cruiserimproved problem, i never had this issue during testing, this is most likely some issue with a mod that messes with animations

[oak oracle]

i ran over some entities during testing and i didn't have issues insta dying

oh, okay, the passenger side is actually bugged

i'll fix this 😅

pushing out 1.5.4 that should prevent the passenger seat from breaking

[oak oracle]

ty for alerting me!

surprised no one did it sooner

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DiggC/CruiserImproved/ 1.5.4 pushed with a fix for the funky passenger seat bug

[magic zephyr]

Haven't been playing lately or we likely woulda found it lol

[oak oracle]

i think i need to fix this haha

(this was caused by me)

enjoy your lifted cruiser for the meantime i guess

[oak oracle]

ic

[magic zephyr]

Yeah we've been on a break from Lethal for about 2 or 3 weeks now? It was needed

[oak oracle]

fair enough

[clear jasper]

welp we personally just noticed your mod and decided to try it out

[oak oracle]

not my mod, i'm just the maintainer :)

thank you for telling me about this, anyways

[clear jasper]

oh myd bad x)

[oak oracle]

having the passenger seat broken off the bat isn't a good look 😅

that came about when i was fixing passenger seat collisions

[oak oracle]

its pretty nice to have if you're using the vanilla cruiser

a bunch of qol+bugfixes that make it less of a mess to use

[clear jasper]

yesh

[clear jasper]

you said this should be fixed now, and the driver seat being bugged should be from smth else?

[oak oracle]

though admittedly i only really use cruiserimproved in public lobbies haha

[oak oracle]

the drivers seat is most likely bugged from something else yes

[clear jasper]

wonder what since it seem to work fine normally

[oak oracle]

if it starts working after 1.5.4 then i guess it was related to the passenger eat

seat*

[clear jasper]

okay we'll check once the update is live on thunderstore/r2modman

[oak oracle]

if not its a mod conflict

alr!

[clear jasper]

i mean, we don't really have any other cruiser mod so i don't see what would conflict tbf :/

[oak oracle]

probably a mod that messes with animations

[clear jasper]

i could always send you the modpack code

[oak oracle]

that works too!

[clear jasper]

maybe there's something we don't know about

[oak oracle]

when the cruiser first came out a bunch of animation mods did that exact same thing and they needed updating haha

[clear jasper]

019c85c0-c886-2ad1-1502-88b4172fe598

we do have emotes mods ig

maybe that could be it

[oak oracle]

i'll take a look in a bit :)

[oak oracle]

replace antislimecamp with lethalfixes
i don't know if doorfix is needed nowadays
might be worth replacing stuff like scannerfix with gooditemscan and detailedscan with terminalformatter
remove scanfix
replace facilitymeltdown with the one by teamxu

i'll try 1.5.4 of cruiserimproved on this pack

[clear jasper]

noted

[spring brook]

doorfix don't let enemies open doors is very broken

[oak oracle]

ic

[oak oracle]

testing 1.5.4 on your pack

also tried the passenger side, just fine

[gilded girder]

disabling "scan while seated" doesn't work, i'm still able to scan while in the car

[thin hearth]

i fixed this bug in butteryfixes while digg wasn't actively maintaining cruiser improved

then later he added it to cruiser improved as a config setting

but buttery fixes still fixes this interaction unconditionally

[gilded girder]

oh its a bug? dang

[thin hearth]

if this is a problem, i could disable my patch when cruiser improved is installed but i'd have to push a hotfix out for that

[thin hearth]

im like 99.9999% sure it's a bug but i guess it could have "become a feature" if zeekerss liked it

you are prevented from scanning in the middle of "special animations" and sitting in the cruiser sets the special animation flag until you exit the seat

it's the same bug that lets you survive instakill pits as long as you are sitting in a cruiser seat

the cruiser also sets an "in vehicle animation" flag which does not get checked before blocking scan/kill triggers

the latter case is like, unquestionably a bug, but the former is at least a little more debatable

[gilded girder]

it would be nice to have a way to disable scanning in the car for consistency with vanilla players, also i had a little headcannon that it wasn't possible in vanilla because of your hands being on the wheel & maybe the scanner is like a button you press on the side of your helmet to activate

[thin hearth]

well ok

when i push the next version i will just avoid patching the scan if cruiser improved is installed

so you can control it with CI's option

[gilded girder]

epic

[white valve]

is this fully client sided
like if I used it as the host when no one else has it, there would be no issues, correct?

[thin hearth]

yes you can use it in vanilla lobbies just fine

although unless you're playing pubs

[white valve]

lit

[thin hearth]

it is best for everybody to have the mod installed

because some config settings are networked and that way everybody will have a consistent experience with the cruiser

but at worst, if you're the only one using the mod, then other players just wont get the fixes/tweaks that you have enabled when they're the ones who "own" the cruiser

iirc the network owner is just whoever was last in the driver's seat

[oak oracle]

it's owned by the host as soon as someone leaves the seat

when someone enters the seat, that person is given ownership

when they leave, it's back to the host

[stable heart]

@oak oracle lunxara is probably giving you a rundown, but I recorded it anyway.

My guess is you adjusted the values of the cruiser's suspension, that seems to be what is causing this top heaviness

First clip is regular cruiser, second clip is with cruiser improved

Default values

[oak oracle]

yeah they just informed me haha, i was in the process of fixing the suspension since it's really broken in vanilla, but i never actually finished fine tuning it so its really boaty right now

in vanilla the springs aren't strong enough to hold the body up so the body slams down onto the wheels at all times and the suspension doesn't really work properly, this also causes the truck to jitter and vibrate

[stable heart]

I guess you could compensate by lowering the center of mass

[oak oracle]

it kinda went over my head as i started doing it a while before i pushed the update

nah i'll adjust the suspension

i forgot to mess around with the dampening and stuff

the cruisers CoM is already pretty low and plus that would affect other stuff like how easy it is to push it

i can get the suspension to feel close enough to vanilla while not jittering and vibrating

just like in my v55mod

[stable heart]

I also think there might be fragility issues with it. Feels far more fragile than before

[oak oracle]

i haven't changed fragility

or anything

[stable heart]

Maybe its a side effect of the suspension then. Cruisers impact calculation was never good, somehow

[oak oracle]

its pretty basic and rudimentary

the vanilla cruiser can flip over, but due to the body slamming down on the wheels it can't really "tip" as easily

since there's no more travel

[oak oracle]

this is pretty stiff, has about the same CoM as the vanilla cruiser, but the ride height is not that different and the car won't jitter

this also doesn't have the uhhhh

self righting system

so it doesn't benefit from that

anyways, i'll look into the spring stuff now :)

[magic zephyr]

🙂

[oak oracle]

oh, yeah, i can also increase the force app distance, that will make it more stable

[magic zephyr]

Ye, trying to get it to the stability of the Vanilla Cruiser is certainly ideal ^^

[oak oracle]

vanilla cruiser? stable? lol

the only thing i'm getting close is just "how stiff" it is, the side effect of it being unstable is the fact it can't tip over easily

which i can easily recreate without having broken springs and shocks

[magic zephyr]

Okay the Vanilla Cruiser definitely isn't perfect lmao but you got what I meant 😂 the stability of it not tilting and flipping so easily

[oak oracle]

yeah haha

just going to test my fix before i push it onto thunder

performing crazy ass donuts and its not flipping over

so i'm going to call this fixed

[magic zephyr]

Neat

[oak oracle]

also removing the tire skid sync since for the vanilla cc, syncing the motor torque is enough for the skidding effects to work

since the vanilla cc doesn't use actual "slip" to play the skidding effects

[magic zephyr]

Nice ^^

[oak oracle]

1.5.5

• fixed suspension parameters that were introduced in 1.5.3

(not sure how long it'll take to come through)

any issues lmk ^^

something i just only clocked, despite me changing it, is the targetPosition of each wheel being 0.5

which is why the suspension shot up before with stiffer springs

i altered it to 0.88 to bring it down to a ride height that matches vanilla more

[floral mist]

Idk if you'll know the answer to this but

Do you think wheel colliders can use OnTriggerEnter

Or atleast have that get called by another collider going over em

They don't have a checkmark box for IsTrigger so I wasn't sure

[oak oracle]

wheel colliders are just a raycast, so i'm not sure

it's not something i've tried

wheel colliders don't actually have a "collider" of sorts

[floral mist]

They're a raycast?

[oak oracle]

yes

unities implementation is a raycast, like most other wheel colliders

you can also tell this because if you drive up against a kerb the wheel clips into the kerb

rather than stepping up it

until it reaches the middle of the wheel

[floral mist]

Hmm, is there a way of getting the raycasts info?

[oak oracle]

well, center

🤔

what info are you after

[floral mist]

I still gotta get my bear traps to fuck up the cruiser wheels

[oak oracle]

icic

[floral mist]

I coulda sworn I had it working at like one singular point which is why I never questioned if OnTriggerEnter never gets called

But I could just patch into the company cruiser colliders into it for the wheels

[oak oracle]

yeah i was going to say that

[floral mist]

Same gameobject just exclude all layers for interaction

[oak oracle]

wheelcolliders have a GetGroundHit if that helps

https://docs.unity3d.com/6000.3/Documentation/ScriptReference/WheelHit.html

[floral mist]

Hmm I'll look at that

How do you grab that? Assuming it's not written in the docs

[oak oracle]

    private WheelHit[] wheelHits = new WheelHit[4]; //(the Cruiser has 4 tyres)
    public List<WheelCollider> wheels = null!;

    // you will need to assign the wheels list yourself, or you could probably use an array

    public void FixedUpdate()
    {
        for (int i = 0; i < wheels.Count; i++)
        {
            if (wheels[i].GetGroundHit(out var hit))
            {
                wheelHits[i] = hit;
            }
            else
            {
                wheelHits[i] = default;
            }
        }
    }

    // then you can read the wheel hit data from the list like this:

    forwardsSlip = (wheelHits[2].forwardSlip + wheelHits[3].forwardSlip) * 0.5f;

this is how i grab it for my "tyre slipping" in my v55 cruiser, if this is of any help

[floral mist]

ooooh i see

i wonder if getgroundhit is inducing a raycast

or grabbing latest

i imagine grabbing latest

[oak oracle]

the getgroundhit is the result from the raycast

i think

wait, no, that's wrong

ignore what i just said just very then

it just includes some data from the raycast

anyways, the collider one might be what you're after

you could probably just loop through each wheel

[floral mist]

am i ignoring a message you deleted or the fact that getgroundhit is the result from the raycast lol

but yeah this seems like what i would do

[oak oracle]

i didn't delete anything

[floral mist]

ah okay

this might not work for a hazard that uses no physical colliders though so i have a section option of the adding colliders if i need to ig

[oak oracle]

makes sense

[oak oracle]

just thought i'd also throw out that you can do something along the lines of

if (wheelCollider.GetGroundHit(out hit))
{
    float fSlip = hit.forwardSlip;
}

iirc

[floral mist]

whats forward slip

[oak oracle]

longitudinal slip of the tyre

in simple terms, a higher amount of forwardSlip means the wheel will just spin a shit ton but won't put be able to put any tyre down (loss of grip)

[floral mist]

icic

[oak oracle]

sidewaysSlip is lateral slip

useful for if you're doing tyre skid effects

was just using it as an example of reading the wheel hit data

[floral mist]

makes sense

[oak oracle]

another note, you must do it in FixedUpdate

i'm not sure how you plan on doing this, are you going to add a collider to the beartrap for the wheels?

and then read the collider from the wheelhit data

that would theoretically work

[floral mist]

im unsure what layers groundhit would get, if it's only physical layers, then it wont work unless i add more colliders to the bear trap

[oak oracle]

the layers depends on whatevers set on the wheelcollider

iirc

i don't remember the vanilla ccs from memory

i don't think they exclude anything, but i know they're on the vehicle layer

[floral mist]

yeah but would they grab IsTrigger colliders? thats the part im unsure

[oak oracle]

🤔

unsure

ive not really played around with anything else on the wheelhit data

actually no thats a lie ive used it to detect the ground surface on my scanvan

to make the tyres slippy if the ground has the Snow tag

[floral mist]

oo, can i get the code for SetWheelStiffness?

[oak oracle]

yes lol

[floral mist]

i think my code might have worked but honestly none of it is based on any knowledge i have of cars

thanks

[oak oracle]

unities wheel stiffness is kinda like

a grip multiplier

in a sense

[floral mist]

yeah

[oak oracle]

i do know my slip code does work

since i had the stiffness even lower at some point and it was genuinely a nightmare to use on snowy maps

[floral mist]

loool

[oak oracle]

it was fun but i got complaints about it from testers lmao

[floral mist]

makes sense lmao

im already expecting for people to absolutely hate beartraps ruining the cruiser

[oak oracle]

sounds hilarious

hope you can get it working

[floral mist]

me too

[oak oracle]

do you plan on making the tyres repairable?

if you wanted to piss people off more you could save the popped tyre state

so reloading can't fix it

[floral mist]

i dont know, i thought about making it so that it repairs on going to orbit, but the cruiser is weirdly really cheap base game so im fine with wasting someone's technically 150 bucks

idk if the warranty applies everytime you buy a cruiser tbh

[oak oracle]

buy full price --> warranty --> buy full price --> warranty --> buy full price

additionally if you want to give more of an illusion of a popped tyre, you could decrease the radius slightly (as the tyre loses its air, it deflates, decreasing the radius gives that illusion)

i'm not sure how something like this would play on modded vehicles + my v55 cruiser, but idm adding custom compat for each of my vehicles i guess

[floral mist]

https://tenor.com/view/anya-forger-taking-notes-oomfie-spy-x-family-memo-gif-8287618218761733944

[oak oracle]

just don't make the radius smaller than the rim

as the rim is metal and doesn't deflate

[floral mist]

ill try to write it in a way that custom vehicles could potentially hook onto it per wheel collider

ic

[oak oracle]

awesome

the Hauler might need more work on my end as it uses a custom wheel collider

but that's okay

[floral mist]

does it inherit wheel collider?

[oak oracle]

No

[floral mist]

hmm okie

[oak oracle]

its completely detached

but idm doing work on my end

[floral mist]

ill see if i can come up with something workin then

[oak oracle]

awesome ^^

for the most part, just the base wheelcollider will suffice for most people

i doubt most people who make vehicles are going to go as far to using custom wheelcolliders

...as they're a pain up the ass

[floral mist]

fair enough

is there a consistent script that appears on the root of every vehicle's prefab?

[oak oracle]

probably VehicleController and your dawnlibs VehicleBase

if that's what you mean

[floral mist]

hmm yeah

[oak oracle]

other than that there's no other script

[floral mist]

is there any consistency in stuff like a layer or tag?

[oak oracle]

Vehicle layer is used on the root

and probably should be for every vehicle

[floral mist]

okay

that'll make it slightly nicer when going through every networked prefab

i dont think the WheelCollider's GetGroundHit would work too well for the scenarios of using a custom wheel collider, and i dont think i really need any info from it anyway, ill likely feed it a collider that's excluded from everything except the beartrap's layer

a collider and a component*

[oak oracle]

fair enough

[floral mist]

you'd just basically have to add a collider and a specific component at runtime on your wheels i imagine

[oak oracle]

custom wheels are a bit of a niche edge case

[floral mist]

yeah but i think seamless support like that is nice

[oak oracle]

i only mentioned them since i'm using them for the Hauler

that's true

[oak oracle]

i can add a collider no problem, but how are you going to say, make a custom wheel collider "slippy"

[floral mist]

hmm

good question

[oak oracle]

unless you want to pass that onto the vehicle creators responsibility

which idm personally

[floral mist]

i might have to, but i dont know if both normal and custom implementations share something in common i could fw

[oak oracle]

yeah not really, plus there could be a million different custom implementations lol

you can for sure do it for any Unity WheelCollider, though

[floral mist]

you could probably make an inherited version of the component i give with an impl on one of its methods, i trigger that with the vehicle script parameter maybe the wheel's gameobject and you could go from there

i don't entirely want you to make a component from another mod as a soft dependency though, that will break your entire project

unity editor specifically, not runtime

[oak oracle]

hrmmmmmmmmmmmmm

i'd rather not inherit wheelcollider for starts

the whole point of making a custom wheel collider is to get away from unities implementation lul

[floral mist]

well it wouldnt be inheriting wheelcollider, it's be my own custom script

[oak oracle]

ahh

i see

[oak oracle]

time for a new dependancy!!! /j

[floral mist]

which is why i say it'd break your entire unity editor unless you had like coderebirth in the project's dependencies maybe? not too sure

runtime wise it's actually fine lol

[oak oracle]

oh, yeah, another thing

i don't know if anyone will do it

but in the real world there are a thing called runflat tyres

they're meant to resist punctures n' shit

[floral mist]

my beartraps are really really good

i hand place and hand shine each own

[oak oracle]

haha

[floral mist]

one

[oak oracle]

just something to note

it's not an issue right now and idk if it ever will be

but its just something to beware of

additionally if someone makes a vehicle that has say, tracks, but uses wheelcolliders simply to do the actual driving

i'm not sure how most people setup tracked vehicles though tbh

[oak oracle]

they can still be punctured tbh but

they can support the cars weight when there's a loss of air pressure

which can allow you to continue going

they're stronger than regular tyres

[floral mist]

i seeeeeeeee

[oak oracle]

oh, another one i just remembered

solid tyres

they can't be punctured at all

they're more on heavy machinery iirc

[oak oracle]

no air in this one lol

although idk whos gonna be making like a bulldozer in lethal company

[floral mist]

too many vehicles in real life honestly, people should just settle for like one thing

[oak oracle]

seems a little far fetched

[oak oracle]

different tyres for different applications lel

[floral mist]

if somebody adds these vehicles in lethal company 300 years into the future, im sure ill be there to add custom compat 😭

[oak oracle]

well true lmfaoo

the day someone adds one of these

solid tyres

again yeah, i doubt it will be a problem anytime soon, but i just thought i'd mention it "just incase", so it can be at the back of your mind

because if someone released a vehicle and the idea is that they have, say solid tyres, ideally you don't want them to be punctured by something like beartraps

since that makes no sense

[floral mist]

this probably works

[oak oracle]

if you're making this a script for people to use, stuff like the radius will need to be configurable

since you can get tyres and rims in all sorts of shapes and sizes

so the amount to decrease it by to give the flat tyre illusion differs

[floral mist]

the wheel collider's radius wouldn't be accurate to the size of the wheel?

[oak oracle]

the radius of the wheel collider is the size of the entire wheel

[floral mist]

hmm

[oak oracle]

but i'm talking about how much to decrease it by before you hit the rim

the rim is the solid metal part

the tyre is the rubbery part that'll deflate

take a low profile tyre for example

there isn't much radius to decrease to give that illusion

before you hit the rim

then take this high profile tyre

there's alot more sidewall, so more radius to decrease

but it also depends on how much you want it to "visually deflate"

[floral mist]

okay there

[oak oracle]

this is generally what the radius covers normally if you're wondering

i see

[floral mist]

hmm okie

[oak oracle]

so if that tyre deflated, i'd probably want the radius to go to about here

unfortunately zeekers colored most of the wheel black so its hard to tell which part of the barrel is the rim

but i think i can make it out just from the design of the wheel

[floral mist]

i seee

[oak oracle]

370* but yeah

and 400 with my v55 mod :3

[floral mist]

idk if this is kinda stupid, but you could give your wheels this component, make your own functions and just feed em to PunctureWheelAction and SetupWheelAction

fair enough lol

[oak oracle]

i was honestly thinking something like that

[floral mist]

I also don't remember if im supposed to be using Actions or Funcs here but im sure its fine

the most sensible method is one where you could inherit the class yourself, but that's not possible because unity can't handle basic scripting like that

[oak oracle]

yeah because basic scripting is way beyond unity

[floral mist]

sure feels like that sometimes

[oak oracle]

everything must be needlessly complicated

[floral mist]

worst part is, it doesnt even tell you this is a problem when you do it

it was a month long problem i had when i finally noticed

basically half my scripts stopped being useable

simply stopped showing up in the add component menu

it got to the soft dependency monobehaviour i made and stopped processing in registering more scripts lol

[oak oracle]

lmao

[floral mist]

the way to compat this nowadays is using a separate dll with said scripts

but im too lazy for all taht setup

[oak oracle]

understandable

[floral mist]

so to emulate a flattened tire, i reduce the radius, increase stiffness, and maybe decrease friction?

i dont even remember where i got this from but this was my old code for it

[oak oracle]

you can decrease friction if you want but even just stiffness alone would be good enough

and radius for the visual aspect

[floral mist]

mm okay

[oak oracle]

i just decrease stiffness for my slippy snow wheels as i ain't messin with all the friction values lol

[floral mist]

fair

[oak oracle]

it works "good enough" for my use case

[floral mist]

i would make it stick with saves but i dont think there's a way to consistently grab a gameobject across lobby loads

[oak oracle]

wym?

cruiserimproved saves values of the cruiser and can apply them upon reload, if that helps

[floral mist]

well, imagine this, you have 4 wheels in a vehicle, but each one has the same gameobject name

[oak oracle]

they don't have the same name

[floral mist]

twas an example, but i guess that's kind of a bad assumption

[oak oracle]

FrontLeftWheel, FrontRightWheel, BackLeftWheel, BackRightWheel

[floral mist]

i guess only a madman would name all their wheels the same gameobject name

[oak oracle]

i think if someone names all their wheels the same thing then that's their fault

sorry not fault

problem

[floral mist]

okay i think everything's setup

[oak oracle]

lol, neato

saving the state is a cherry on top imo

"i'll just reload then i guess"

reloads
"oh."

it quite literally forces them to either "deal with it" or dump the car for a new one

which i find really funny

it's not as devastating as blowing up the car but its still pretty damaging

_ _
honestly, reminds me of when i was playing around with a battery drain system for my scanvan

and if you killed the battery it was like game over

couldn't start the car

or use any of the electrics

[floral mist]

lmao, that is devestating

[oak oracle]

i was going to implement a dodgy jumpstarter you could buy but

i scrapped the whole battery system

[floral mist]

i think i did it

[oak oracle]

lol, that's a bit too much!

[floral mist]

a little too low

[oak oracle]

but yeah it appears so

[floral mist]

yeah

i only multiplied the radius by 0.8 though so i wonder how much i'll have to do lol

[oak oracle]

try like

0.95 multiplier

[floral mist]

holy shit the wheels are spinning so fast

[oak oracle]

the cruisers wheels will visually spin way faster than the colliders

because of how zeeks programmed matching the wheel colliders rotation to the wheels

for some reason he uses engineRPM * 0.5f ???

but yeah i can imagine

lol

[oak oracle]

although now that i think about it

if you want a more "realistic popped tyre feel"

i would decrease the forward friction somewhat and make it have even less sideways friction

[floral mist]

okie

[oak oracle]

so it would basically be unable to steer properly