Lethal Performance & DiFFoZ Tweaks & BepInEx Faster Load AssetBundles Patcher

[dull quarry]

I had wesleys shit opened up in a whole other unity game

[near yacht]

Lmao

[cinder plover]

can you try jumping off the ship early on solitude a few times and heading to main

that's what reproduced it for me

[honest oxide]

just to confirm BFLAP doesn't load cache files for mods that aren't installed anymore right? i removed a bunch of big ram users and my ram usage hasn't decreased, so i just want to be sure

[polar willow]

yes

[dark hollow]

hey @polar willow , if you remember: you didn't find anything related to the Entrance Blocker that day, right?

[polar willow]

right

[dark hollow]

thanks

[flat flare]

I'm a little out of the loop. Does BFLAP currently work on linux or is it still not able to properly detect the amount of free space?

[polar willow]

it depends

if your distro is doing some partitions to split root and home, then it might not work correctly

on fedora is optional and by default it doesn't

You currently can use preview version, if needed, later I'll push the new check to the main version

[flat flare]

ah I see. I'll try out the preview version then and see how that goes. thx!

[polar willow]

https://tenor.com/view/cannysilly-canny-silly-silly-cat-silly-asmr-gif-6471072931845092405

[dark hollow]

is it reversed or just worse version

[old rover]

Former.

[polar willow]

reverb the code is out, check out their trailor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DDisD9TF_Y

[near yacht]

They reverbed the code! No way

[polar willow]

free ram by typing this in launch option

-memorysetup-cache-allocator-block-size 0

[robust dock]

what does a block size of 0 represent? the default value?

does LC customize it?

[honest oxide]

i must try this

what does it do that causes ram usage decrease? is it basically giving no space to cache in ram?

[honest oxide]

it doesn't work

[flat flare]

So I'm a little dumb. I'm supposed to get it from the "preview-new-free-space-check" branch on github right? But then what? I've tried using "import local mod" on both Gale and r2modman but it doesn't seem to work. I'm assuming that I'm just doing something wrong here since I'm only familiar with using those modloaders to get/run mods.

[polar willow]

preview version is already uploaded to thunderstore

you just need to manually change version to 0.0.100

Currently working on some changes for LP, after that will look into some epic (major) changes

[flat flare]

ah ok it was a lot easier than whatever I was doing lol

[honest oxide]

ok so it might work in vanilla

but when i tried it in modded it didn't reduce my ram that much

[polar willow]

click me

[vestal nimbus]

fine u can have all my money ig, ill click

[worldly fern]

It seems that LethalPerformance disables SteamValveHazard somehow, tested only with/without your mod using imperium, seed: 64655000 on experimentation factory interior, first valve with scrolled time of day. Valve does open and start fog if you're mod is disabled, please fix this or maybe add config value to disable this feature because it doesn't seem to be vanilla friendly

[polar willow]

hm, thanks for the report, will look into tomorrow

[cinder plover]

https://tenor.com/view/dan-vs-i-don't-care-who-the-irs-sends-i'm-not-paying-taxes-gif-8806619729680718044

[polar willow]

yikes

[agile oyster]

oh yeah they were reworked in v70

im guessing because zeekerss reused them for the popping balloons in the new birthday party tile

(for some reason...)

now SteamValveFixInteraction handles all the networked stuff i believe

[old rover]

https://tenor.com/view/ohno-meme-monkey-ohno-ohno-monkey-ohno-emote-ohno-twitch-emote-gif-119989999548046247

[polar willow]

probably because he destroys gameobject when balloon is popped

ugh, probably will require to make patching to add OnEnable/Disable to the steam valve

[polar willow]

note: from new experimental version, LP will force entrance teleport caching

[worthy fulcrum]

didnt it already do this or am i dumb

[dark hollow]

ig forcing config option to always be true aka get rid of the option to disable this

[honest oxide]

no more MapImprovements

also how will it play if entrance teleport optimizations is present

[old rover]

That option is on by default.

Had no issues.

[honest oxide]

i've had it off this whole time so ETO could handle it

[agile oyster]

same here

[polar willow]

ETO handler works after LP, so it should replace LP result

[umbral quarry]

So my friend occasionally will get booted from the lobby when coming in or leaving fire exits. It's completely random, but the last warning they get when it happens mentions lethal performance. we tried just disabling it, but they... can't join my game without it either.. which is even stranger

And I do mean both of us disabling it, not just them

[polar willow]

I don't see any errors

The only that I see that host is shutting down event happened, so clients are leaved

[umbral quarry]

yeah but it was just them

so weird

it threw that last warning when they went through a fire exit, and then it kicked them

[granite sphinx]

[16:44:29.9105439] [Info   :   BepInEx] Loading [LethalSettings 1.4.1]
[16:44:49.5498088] [Message:DiFFoZTweaksPatcher] Ignoring loading of LethalSettings

how did this happen?

the plugins to not load string is this:
com.willis.lc.lethalsettings,ViewExtension,XuuXialoan.SoftMaskKiller,LCSoundTool

[honest oxide]

If you set lethalsettings to not load after running with it enabled, it will be in the cache and will override diffoztweaks

You have to go into the cache folder in your profile and clear it

[granite sphinx]

i remember clearing cache but since i have been changing PCs (the psu issue lol) i might have not done it in this one

yeah sorry its 99% that, I just checked other logs and it loaded it

[polar willow]

then you have mod that requires lethal settings as a hard dependency

[polar willow]

v0.0.130

• Disabled transpiler patch that replaces Object.FindObjectOfType.
• Disabled caching of SteamValveHazard.
• Disabled culling for custom pass to reuse main culling instead (that should also resolve crashing on moons that use tree/detail terrain rendering).
• Forced EntranceTeleport caching.

[round kindle]

Yippee!! LP update!!!

Does "Forced entranceteleport caching" mean there isn't an option to disable it anymore?

[honest oxide]

yes

[round kindle]

Oh

Why

[robust dock]

I'm curious about the disablement of the find replacer, I saw the comment in the source but I never noticed it being excessively slow to apply, does it get significantly worse in larger profiles that patch the same methods that LP does?

[dark hollow]

Same but about all except caching for teleports

[round kindle]

wait did i miss smth?

[dark hollow]

Disabled transpiler patch that replaces Object.FindObjectOfType.
Disabled caching of SteamValveHazard.
Disabled culling for custom pass to reuse main culling instead (that should also resolve crashing on moons that use tree/detail terrain rendering).

[round kindle]

no i mean whats the deal with the caching im confused

[dark hollow]

i mean its just caching

helps with performance a little

[round kindle]

but doesn't it block the main entrance if the interior is not setup properly?

[dark hollow]

if entrance is blocked because interior entance is not set up properly then its interior issue and not caching issue

imo

[polar willow]

theoretically it should still speed up start up, but can't say for sure

[hidden cypress]

it only happens when entrance caching is enabled, thats why there was an option to disable it

[dark hollow]

i know and still

[hidden cypress]

it is the interior's fault tho

but personally if something can be configurable there isnt a reason not to have it if it isnt a pain to implement

if it was

fair enough

[polar willow]

I forced that option because I was annoyed due to bugs that it introduced

[hidden cypress]

I should remind tolian to fix tomb haha XD, imma miss that one for a bit

[dark hollow]

what bugs?

[polar willow]

items are invisible when using cullfactory;
when spectating people the sky is black;

[dark hollow]

isnt its black in vanila when spectating?

or you mean it remains black

[polar willow]

it remains black

[round kindle]

rip tomb and all the badly implemented cool interiors

[round kindle]

did that only happened when caching was off?

or did it always happened?

[polar willow]

when it's off

[hidden cypress]

tbh besides tomb, hadal and sector alpha

not really much

[round kindle]

ye, they are amazing but oh well

[hidden cypress]

also forgot I think Xen as well

[round kindle]

im mostly sad bc of tomb, and sector alpha a little too, just finished setting up all the interior weights so ye its a bit of a pain but oh well

i trust diffoz

[hidden cypress]

I dont trust anyone, perfect way to live life, think everyone is wrong, including yourself 😈

[round kindle]

im always wrong hehe

[hidden cypress]

at least tomb and hadal will prob be fixed eventually since tolian

is still semi active

[round kindle]

ye i hope

[honest oxide]

I think hadal was fixed with proper entrance teleports a while back

[hidden cypress]

he updated some stuff not too long ago

[round kindle]

rip sector alpha

[hidden cypress]

beta was always better anyways

[honest oxide]

Sector alpha is still messed up cus voxx is mia

Oh right, map improvements is still messed up

[round kindle]

but then if its now forced does that mean i need to remove entranceteleportoptimization now?

[honest oxide]

No

[molten light]

@polar willow Why is the update a pre-release update?

I'm guessing the valve caching being removed is to fix them never going off in V70+

[polar willow]

just in case

[polar willow]

yes

[round kindle]

really? a few people told me both didn't work well

[honest oxide]

ETO overwrites LP from what I remember

[round kindle]

maybe an update bc i remember it didn't back then

[honest oxide]

Could be an ETO update made it perform better with LP

[polar willow]

it's LP made better compatibility

[honest oxide]

I c

[hidden cypress]

currently tested to be broken with it

all of tolians interiors

slaughterhouse

sector alpha

map improvements

my mistake

[round kindle]

😈

https://tenor.com/view/zhouzhou-orange-cat-cat-with-orange-sleepy-cat-gif-14937184825975080647

[honest oxide]

map improvements issues are the most frustrating to me

cus not only it doesn't work with LP but it might be causing softlocks during landing (at least in my profile)

[neon bluff]

why is it broken with those mods though

[honest oxide]

those mods don't network their entrances

so LP blocks them because they aren't spawned technically

[neon bluff]

what about

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mattymatty/EntranceTeleportOptimizations/

doesn't this fix it

[honest oxide]

ETO works with them

[neon bluff]

I know but will that fix the issue of Lethal Performance breaking other things

[hidden cypress]

its on the other mod's devs to fix it

[round kindle]

it doesn't fix it, it just doesn't block them

[hidden cypress]

its not LP's fault

[honest oxide]

it will if you turn off LP's caching

[round kindle]

but...

im confused what was updated? main branch wasn't

what was it

[honest oxide]

it was pushed to an experimental version, so most people will not get it

[round kindle]

oooh okioki

i guess it will get change in main branch sooner or later

[molten light]

Wait really? Last I tested Slaughterhouse worked fine with Entrance caching

[hidden cypress]

seemed to happen consistantly yeah

[molten light]

Hmmmm

@polar willow Any reason why it breaks with the new update but didn't before? The other listed interiors always broke with it lol

[hidden cypress]

keep in mind this was tested on a pack that was just performance and testing mods

ill try one more time in case something really weird happened

[molten light]

In all honesty Slaughterhouse is in need of an update anyways

Performance on a lot of moons is rough and it still doesn't have radar Sprite support

[hidden cypress]

doing it one last time but seemed to happen again

[round kindle]

😔

[molten light]

I sent Nikki a dm

[hidden cypress]

ok false alarm. it was buttery fixes causing a similer problem, worked the same way but didnt have the popup like the others I tested

[molten light]

Hmmm

[hidden cypress]

ill see if it happens on the hotfix

[hidden cypress]

like the problem was the same, entrance blocked, but no popup from LP telling me like the others

[molten light]

Yeah ButteryFixes 1.14.6 broke with some custom interiors

[molten light]

@polar willow In my limited testing so far I haven't ran into any problems

[molten light]

Btw @polar willow It's been a while since we spoke about Emblem, but changing it's log levels to only log Fatal, Error, Warning I noticed significantly reduces the stall when exiting a lobby back to the main menu lol

So part of it is all the Info stuff it logs

[thorny gazelle]

do you have a recommended config for Async?

[molten light]

Personally mods that you know are stable or don't update frequently I would change log levels to Fatal, Error, Warning to help speed up game boot times and such

[mellow delta]

With LethalPerformance enabled, another mod I use is unable to write certain information to the save file. Specifically, an exception occurs when _connectionInfo.Password is null in the following method call:
ES3.Save("ArchipelagoPassword", _connectionInfo.Password, GameNetworkManager.Instance.currentSaveFileName);

Does LethalPerformance modify saving in a way that could trigger this behavior?

Here is a log that includes the exception

[polar willow]

yes LethalPerformance making ES3 patching. And that exception is ES3 problem, when you pass generic argument type as object and pass null value it will trigger that exception

[mellow delta]

Gotcha. So this mod shouldn't be passing a null value as an argument?

[polar willow]

yeah

[molten light]

So we've been using the pre-release build since you pushed it without any issues

you should be good to push it live if you want

[polar willow]

pushed experimental to main version

[worthy trout]

Can i still use entranceteleportoptimizations?

[polar willow]

yes

[hidden cypress]

is there a reason to have both?

[polar willow]

yes, there is. When you're using custom interior that have broken entrance teleport (by broken I mean it's not networked)

while Lethal Performance requires to be networked, ETO is client side fix and doesn't require to be networked

[nocturne lantern]

so... caching can work with unupdated interiors then?

[round kindle]

:0

[livid terrace]

Lethal Performance causes the game to soft lock when attempting to land on Pikmoons.
Specifically the moon "Repose"

Because of this error:
[Error : Unity Log] This client could not find dungeon generator! scene count: 2

[nocturne lantern]

that's what's causing that???

Offense, Fission-C, Titan, Artifice, Temper, and a few others wont let me land on em

[worthy fulcrum]

peak update

[round kindle]

XD

[worthy fulcrum]

mod forces you to not go to bad moons now

[nocturne lantern]

no, this has been a thing for a couple updates now

just didnt think it was this mod

[worthy fulcrum]

then its something else because i havent been unable to go to moons due to LP

at least for your case

probably true for repose

but idk if its all of the ones you listed

cause again, i havent experienced this

[worthy fulcrum]

is it like
the loading screen gets stuck
moon never loads fully
and how often apart from each occurence is this, if it is that

[nocturne lantern]

pull lever, ship never lands, frames drop

[worthy fulcrum]

how often

every land attempt?
once in a while?

[nocturne lantern]

once per session/every other session

[worthy fulcrum]

hmmm maybe not the vanilla game bug then

unless youre really unlucky

[round kindle]

maybe interior?

[nocturne lantern]

dunno

definite possibility, actually.

1 version of Dantor's Mental Hospital never loads. since i cant pick, i disabled it

[worthy fulcrum]

just to be clear what im describing is a vanilla game bug but its somewhat rare

its not as rare as others but its less common than inventory softlocks

[honest oxide]

i get this kind of issue sometimes as well

not sure if its LP though

it was happening on every landing for vanilla moons with mapimprovements on but now its down to a rare occasion since i turned that off

[worthy trout]

I never had this.

[honest oxide]

cool

[worthy fulcrum]

that would be the vanilla game bug

the rare occasion

[polar willow]

do you guys get a big stacktrace when that happens?

it should log one of this warning message with stacktrace

[polar willow]

looks like I found the reason

NavMeshSurface component got disabled and causes LP to remove reference to dungeon component

Probably I should move dereference code into OnDestroy

/Environment/Map/props/easter_eggs/ec/snow_0x_emergence/props/candypops/candypop_purple (1)/navmesh_surface

I guess it's got disabled because it have local/global prop component?

[sharp sage]

Those easter eggs used to be tiles for an interior, so yeah likely missed that

[sick blaze]

At least it's an easy fix

Thank you for investigating!

[polar willow]

np!

[sick blaze]

Can't believe I missed that

[sick blaze]

so i'm looking, and it seems i don't have a local or global prop component on any of them, even in the base prefab...

although it does flag these objects when i search for references to local/global props, so maybe i'll have to bug pacoito

[sick blaze]

i am blind, there was a global prop and local prop set script on 2 different things, however it still crashes with the same thing thrown in console

[azure beacon]

It's funny that I never realized LP was breaking valve fog
I never missed it and now I was flabbergasted seeing the valve fog after months...

[worthy trout]

Wow i didn't noticed. I get a lot of valve fog yesterday.

[polar willow]

Check your animator on that object

I disabled animator and now it's doesn't toggle navmeshsurface component

[sick blaze]

Ohh it's toggling the navmesh surface that messes with it

[nocturne lantern]

i think i know what's been triggering this. not the mod cause, but rather a theme ive been noticing. moons that have been doing this to me are trying to load dungeons with different variants. an example is Atlantean Citadel. loads its default version just fine, but i havent encountered its jungle variant since these started happening.

[sick blaze]

i have navmesh surface disabling removed from the animator, and have removed local and global prop scripts

using a navmesh obstacle with carve to disable the navmesh on top instead now, it still has the same error when trying to load wistful however

[polar willow]

but testing on Repose it did got fixed?

[sick blaze]

nope, still does it on repose too

i'd try to give you more info, but the log isn't very helpful

[sick blaze]

also tried disabling all the interiors i have in this pack, and it seems to still do it

[nocturne lantern]

hmm, alright

[sick blaze]

i'm very puzzled by this crash cause i've double checked all the scenes for dungeon stuff such as tile and prop components, so i'm assuming it's something else but logs don't help

maybe something with the dungen being too low? i have lowered the starting point of the dungeon to be pretty low on my moons

[sick blaze]

nah, it's probably the bridges on my maps actually

those also have navmesh surfaces controlled by animator

i'll fix that tonight

[polar willow]

@sick blaze I have pushed 0.0.131 https://github.com/DiFFoZ/LethalPerformance/compare/main...debug-pikmoons to log scene path of navmeshsurface that got disabled

[sick blaze]

oh neat!

i am pretty sure i know it's the bridges though, since we added one to a moon that didn't have one and it crashed after

but that seems useful for debugging

[molten light]

Weird all the Citadel Variants work fine for me

[molten light]

@polar willow Been wondering, are you still planning to push that Faster Load update at some point that checks the cache after the chainloader finishes if you haven't launched in over 3 days?

[polar willow]

not planning

[stray solstice]

Still btw fixing that pikmoons bug

Like full on if you disable lethal performance they work

If you don't then it's fine???

[stray solstice]

Specifically this issue

[polar willow]

use latest preview version and report logs to moon dev

[stray solstice]

Understood

[stray solstice]

Wait how

[honest oxide]

Download 0.0.131

[stray solstice]

IT DOWNLOADS A ZIP

DO I HAVE TO BUILD IT???

[neon bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-down-a-bit-calm-down-relax-gif-3234894596200294187

[stray solstice]

No I am just confused

Lmao

Is caps like yelling or something

[neon bluff]

yes

[stray solstice]

Oops

[neon bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/solicy-angry-mode-typing-gif-gif-26124185

[stray solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/by-the-nine-im-tweakin-elder-scrolls-skyrim-gif-25519944

But like seriously

Do I build it

Or what am I doing

[neon bluff]

build what

[stray solstice]

0.0.131

Of Lethal Performance

There is no download

[neon bluff]

oh

[stray solstice]

[neon bluff]

I know how

what ide are you using

[stray solstice]

Could I have some help...

[stray solstice]

IDE is like...

Visual Studio 2022

Right

[neon bluff]

ok what step are you on now

[stray solstice]

None???

I keep being told to just download it

and I don't WHAT

[neon bluff]

Download the files, open the csproj file, then fix the dependencies, then build

[honest oxide]

go on your mod manager, click download, click the version dropdown, and click 0.0.131

[stray solstice]

?????????????????????????????

[honest oxide]

scroll down more

[stray solstice]

WHAT

OH MY GOD

[honest oxide]

come on man

[stray solstice]

THATS SO WEIRD

[stray solstice]

Brotha how was I supposed to know...

[honest oxide]

simple trial and error? and that there is a scroll bar on your picture?

[stray solstice]

Okay buddy calm down

There is no WAY I would have known

[honest oxide]

alright, you can handle the rest

[round kindle]

😭

funny

[molten light]

Awwwww okay, I had a client today complain the game took a while to boot cus they hadn't launched in a few days so I wanted to ask about it

[polar willow]

I've pushed 0.0.132 to make moon's components dereference more robust

If it fixes pikmoons then will be pushed to the main

[sick blaze]

Oh pikmoons is good

The new crash pineappleguy found was relating to universalradar

[sick blaze]

So feel free unless there's something else you gotta check with it

[cinder plover]

there's a moon rn who's fire exits are getting blocked, I presume it's the fire exit caching stuff?

[honest oxide]

Fire exits getting blocked usually doesn't happen

Do you use mapimprovements

[cinder plover]

yes but I don't have any improvement fire exits in there

regardless there's no improvements on that moon

I was using cesspool, has like 4 smth fire exits?

[honest oxide]

Probably spookybuddy being silly

[worthy fulcrum]

its not moon dependant

its interior related

[honest oxide]

For main entrance only

LLL handles fire exits

This happened with MI because it added fire exits that weren't networked on the outside

[cinder plover]

even if that were the case the only interiors on it are vanilla interiors

so facility, mansion and mineshaft

and liminal facility, but i've gotten this issue without that installed

on this specific moon

[worthy trout]

  at System.Environment.get_StackTrace () [0x00000] in <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0000 
  at LethalPerformance.Patches.ReferenceHolder.Patch_NavMeshSurface.OnEnable () [0x0005e] in /_/Patches/ReferenceHolder/Patch_NavMeshSurface.cs:53 
  at Unity.AI.Navigation.NavMeshSurface.DMD<Unity.AI.Navigation.NavMeshSurface::OnEnable> (Unity.AI.Navigation.NavMeshSurface ) [0x00000] in <29d65562875844e1b3b692d2e2941f33>:IL_0000 
  at UnityEngine.Object.Internal_InstantiateSingleWithParent_Injected (UnityEngine.Object , UnityEngine.Transform , UnityEngine.Vector3& , UnityEngine.Quaternion& ) [0x00000] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0000 
  at UnityEngine.Object.Internal_InstantiateSingleWithParent (UnityEngine.Object data, UnityEngine.Transform parent, UnityEngine.Vector3 pos, UnityEngine.Quaternion rot) [0x00000] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0000 
  at UnityEngine.Object.DMD<UnityEngine.Object::Instantiate> (UnityEngine.Object , UnityEngine.Vector3 , UnityEngine.Quaternion , UnityEngine.Transform ) [0x00000] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0000 
  at UnityEngine.Object.DMD<UnityEngine.Object::Instantiate> (UnityEngine.Object , UnityEngine.Vector3 , UnityEngine.Quaternion , UnityEngine.Transform ) [0x00000] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0000 
  at StartOfRound.DMD<StartOfRound::LoadAttachedVehicle> (StartOfRound ) [0x00000] in <31f0351006d541aeb5ae92a12fc7161b>:IL_0000 
  at StartOfRound.DMD<StartOfRound::Start> (StartOfRound ) [0x00000] in <31f0351006d541aeb5ae92a12fc7161b>:IL_0000 
  at MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<StartOfRound::Start>?1180632064 (StartOfRound ) [0x00000] in <6733e342b5b549bba815373898724469>:IL_0000 
  at LethalLib.Modules.Items.StartOfRound_Start (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) [0x00178] in ./Modules/Items.cs:146 
  at MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<StartOfRound::Start>?-88868180 (StartOfRound ) [0x00000] in <6733e342b5b549bba815373898724469>:IL_0000 
  at MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<StartOfRound::Start>?-516034438 (StartOfRound ) [0x00000] in <6733e342b5b549bba815373898724469>:IL_0000 
  at LethalLib.Modules.Utilities.StartOfRound_Start (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) [0x001a0] in ./Modules/Utilities.cs:77 
  at MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<StartOfRound::Start>?685523820 (StartOfRound ) [0x00000] in <6733e342b5b549bba815373898724469>:IL_0000 
  at MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<StartOfRound::Start>?1335251292 (StartOfRound ) [0x00000] in <6733e342b5b549bba815373898724469>:IL_0000 
  at Dusk.Internal.NetworkerPatch.CreateNetworker (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) [0x0000d] in ./src/Internal/Patches/NetworkerPatch.cs:19 
  at MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<StartOfRound::Start>?1418357728 (StartOfRound ) [0x00000] in <6733e342b5b549bba815373898724469>:IL_0000 
  at MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<StartOfRound::Start>?-124014184 (StartOfRound ) [0x00000] in <6733e342b5b549bba815373898724469>:IL_0000 
  at Dawn.MoonRegistrationHandler.CollectLevels (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) [0x00000] in ./src/API/Moons/.MoonRegistrationHandler.cs:29 
  at MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<StartOfRound::Start>?-1702862524 (StartOfRound ) [0x00000] in <6733e342b5b549bba815373898724469>:IL_0000```

Is it a problem with the moon or the new dawnlib?

[vestal nimbus]

it's definitely not DawnLib

[molten light]

This is an ignorable warning that is caused by 2 Story Ship cus it contains navmesh

[worthy trout]

I dont have 2story ship

[molten light]

It's not an issue that needs fixed it's just something that LethalPerformance complains about

Then it's something else and I can't help you lol

Ik It also throws a warning from 2SS initializing navmesh early so I thought it was that

But the warning is vastly different now that I am getting more awake

Prolly moon issue

[worthy trout]

rebalancedmoons or generic moons

[vestal nimbus]

doubt its either

was this during a test session or an actual session?

[worthy trout]

actual session

maybe the company hauler?

LoadAttachedVehicle

[vestal nimbus]

hmmm, not sure then, sorry, i know the testrooms have navmesh in them so that triggers it

[vestal nimbus]

possibly? no idea though

your best bet is just knowing when it happened, though since its a warning its harmless anyway

[molten light]

It might have been when he ordered a Hauler, since when ordering a Hauler the unique stuff like the ropes for the Dropship don't work

But yeah it's harmless

[vestal nimbus]

the rope stuff or whatever is unrelated

[molten light]

Ah strange

Oh it's probably the Hauler having navmesh when in orbit triggering a similar warning to 2SS

Based on that warning at least

[robust dock]

it's the cruiser

StartOfRound::LoadAttachedVehicle

side note, please put logs in code tags if they're not attached as files, that's barely legible

[worthy trout]

Like that?

[vestal nimbus]

Nah, with three ` on each end

[fluid thorn]

Code :)

[robust dock]

```
code
```

[worthy trout]

This way?

[robust dock]

yep yep

[worthy fulcrum]

@polar willow im not 100% sure if your mod caused this

[21:54:23.8718976] [Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
SteamValveHazard.FixValve () (at <31f0351006d541aeb5ae92a12fc7161b>:IL_0000)
UnityEngine.Events.InvokableCall.Invoke () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0010)
UnityEngine.Events.UnityEvent`1[T0].Invoke (T0 arg0) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0049)
(wrapper dynamic-method) InteractTrigger.DMD<InteractTrigger::Interact>(InteractTrigger,UnityEngine.Transform)
GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.ClickHoldInteraction () (at <31f0351006d541aeb5ae92a12fc7161b>:IL_0125)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::Update>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)

[21:54:25.4722600] [Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
SteamValveHazard.FixValve () (at <31f0351006d541aeb5ae92a12fc7161b>:IL_0000)
UnityEngine.Events.InvokableCall.Invoke () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0010)
UnityEngine.Events.UnityEvent`1[T0].Invoke (T0 arg0) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0049)
(wrapper dynamic-method) InteractTrigger.DMD<InteractTrigger::Interact>(InteractTrigger,UnityEngine.Transform)
GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.ClickHoldInteraction () (at <31f0351006d541aeb5ae92a12fc7161b>:IL_0125)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::Update>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)

this is for the modded moon aquar

it has an outdoor steam leak on occasion at a fire exit

this is the only mod i know that touches steam leaks in any way

because they broke earlier and you had to patch it

i cant turn the steam leak off

[polar willow]

when that moon is released?

[worthy fulcrum]

in v69

[polar willow]

before the major update

[worthy fulcrum]

it still runs just fine

[polar willow]

then it's broken by major update

(probably)

[honest oxide]

awenn come home

we need you

[agile oyster]

steam leaks changed significantly in v70

so i concede with diffoz it is probably the moon itself that needs to be fixed

[worthy fulcrum]

yeah i sent the message to the dev

assuming theyre still around

or even want to do it

[polar willow]

v73 is out, expect Dragons (crashes) with lethal performance or cullfactory

[molten light]

What about

LethalSponge?

[stray solstice]

Oh God

[polar willow]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-jonkler-tooth-teeth-baby-gif-5600005109081482885

[twin void]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1213990310049480718/1274971686898499664/snapchat.gif

[fallen ember]

diffoz ,would you be interested in something like this:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1284285789399941132/1424081590216294470/image.png?ex=68e2a6d5&is=68e15555&hm=8941e998cfeed093e6b1ea06ff966c2bfcecd12c9498d6e8a6c58f21d669a821&

only using 150 lines and a couple of p/invokes of windows apis

[polar willow]

eh, LethalPerformance doesn't relay on detours, and only have one for debugging purpose

[fallen ember]

more for the plugin types thingye

[molten light]

@polar willow Is LethalPerformance getting updated soon? It do seem to be the only mod that crashes V73 when trying to create a lobby

Which is impressive

[worthy fulcrum]

LLL isnt???

thank you paco

i hate my phone

[molten light]

WR still works

[worthy trout]

its less than two days calm down

[molten light]

And? People are cooking up updates, progress is going so it's good to ask

[stark marlin]

that's good news

[worthy fulcrum]

i didnt even ask if it was broken

i asked if it actually works still

well

ok i guess thats asking if its broken

but i didnt ask in a sense of like

"i cant wait at all for this"

[polar willow]

I'm waiting when cull factory will be updated, so I can copy updated packages and build then burst lib

[molten light]

CullFactory surprisingly seems to be working?

But valid

[polar willow]

but you can send crash log here, so I could look into it

[molten light]

I also found LethalSponge or TME is causing the game to crash when landing the ship

[polar willow]

fun

I don't have space for unity editor

and I can't merge my 2 volumes into one

[vestal nimbus]

do you need the download more ram link? i know a guy

[robust dock]

psst cullfactory already works because I don't include the base packages

my hack to make the burst glue code shut up worked out

[polar willow]

yeah, but for performance I need to include base packages

[robust dock]

the way that I found the versions to use was by just searching for the package string inside each dll with burst methods, I can see if I can remember exactly what I searched for

[polar willow]

nice, unity auto updated packages, so I don't need to manually search & try for specific versions

[robust dock]

yeah that seems to track with what I found:

multiplayer.tools 1.0.0
animation.rigging 1.2.1 *
transport 1.4.0 -> 1.5.0 *
netcode 1.6.0 -> 1.12.0 *
hdrp 14.0.12 *
probuilder 5.2.4
collections 1.4.0 *
burst 1.8.21 *

* burst, required

(I included all the packages I had to change before as well as any with mention of both PackageCache and Burst in the binary data)

[polar willow]

1.2.1 pushed

[round kindle]

v73 update?

[polar willow]

yes

[robust dock]

seems like LethalPerformance may make Object Search in UnityExplorer not work properly, fyi

not sure if/when you can look into that

as an example, when I search StartOfRound with LethalPerformance enabled, it comes up with zero results

I think this has been a thing for a while but I only just realized because it stopped working when I updated it for v73

[polar willow]

I'm not willing to fix compact with unity explorer

[neon bluff]

@polar willow Why was

"Forced EntranceTeleport caching."

In 1.2.0

Does that mean that Entrance Teleport Optimzations wont activate?

[worthy trout]

it will continue to activate

[honest oxide]

ETO does things other than just entranceteleport caching

but i think it was said a bit ago that ETO will override LP or vice versa

[polar willow]

ETO will override the LP result

[vast gazelle]

Hey sorry to bother but I was wondering if there was any potential fix for Linux reporting a lack of space for BFLAP? I saw you were working on something in the past

[polar willow]

Hi, indeed I do have fix uploaded to thunderstore. Use preview version 0.0.*

[vast gazelle]

I shall take a look thank you kindly

That does seem to be working well on my machine thanks bud

[zealous forge]

does 1.2.1 support v73?

[worthy trout]

yes

[zealous forge]

https://tenor.com/view/soggy-cat-soggy-cat-cat-meme-silly-gif-1947576969338905744

[rustic shore]

I want to keep track of which instructions by instance were originally in a target method, and this info is needed for ILHooks (MonoDetour makes use of this). If HarmonyX's ILHook runs first, it rewrites all instructions in the target method in ILManipulator.WriteTo. I have written an ILHook to keep track of which instruction instance maps to a rewritten instance. However, https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DiFFoZ/HarmonyXTranspilerFix/ does a prefix return false on ILManipulator.WriteTo which is problematic for me.

If you have a public repo anywhere, I could try and implement it as an ILHook (or whatever you'd prefer) and open a PR.

[polar willow]

oh, I can copy transpiler from general improvements that does the same thing

[rustic shore]

oh, that sounds good

[cinder plover]

pre 1.2.0. LP is officially dead

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1003384146124624043/1390793669044342804/IMG_6343.gif

[honest oxide]

You will network your entranceteleports and you will like it

[worthy fulcrum]

i love making really specific cases of moons/interiors forcefully unplayable

[honest oxide]

I do too

Though tbf

This affects like 2 interiors and mapimprovements

Still sucks and I stay needing an MI update

But the scope of the issue is very small

[worthy fulcrum]

caltprime is unplayable

this is the worst possible effect

[honest oxide]

Ngl I forgot abt calt prime

I thought tolian turned off the randomized exits

[cinder plover]

god you're right fuck

[molten light]

I always preferred Triskelion over it, Triskelion is more challenging and difficult

CaltPrime is cool but it doesn’t feel like it’s designed to be a late game moon

Also I don’t really blame DiFFoZ in this scenario, entrances not being networked causes interior enemies to break in weird ways iirc

[cinder plover]

I blame him because I'm toxic and I hate helpful patches!!!!

[molten light]

Lol

[cinder plover]

No yeah it's a good patch but what bothers me is how you used to be able to turn this off

But now you can't

[molten light]

If you use Entrance Teleport Optimizations it’s patch automatically overrides it now from what DiFFoZ has said

I use both together cus ETO fixes some stuff that LP doesn’t

[worthy fulcrum]

i still dont

personally i kind of enjoy the chance you just dont get a fire exit or two

it adds to how diverse gameplay scenarios can be

even if its bothersome at times

[worthy fulcrum]

caltprime is
idk
it just feels better to me

the idea is also really cool

is triskelion also a moon with a fully industrialized surface?

[molten light]

You can still get blocked entrances sometimes with ETO heck if you enjoy the mechanic you can use Entrance Blocker

[molten light]

It’s industrial but it’s not the same no

[worthy fulcrum]

entrance blocker isnt the same thing really

its a good idea but yeah

[molten light]

I just prefer it and the Sector 0 moon

I really miss Rosie

[worthy fulcrum]

ok lethal company mods hot take

sector 0 is overrated

[molten light]

I hope her health is doing okay

[molten light]

What?

It’s one of the og’s

[worthy fulcrum]

its just
i dont like the idea of it

and for supposedly a secondary part of gordion, theres a lot of small things i dont think would be on gordion

its still not a bad mod by any means, but i never found it that good

main problem with it is the idea though
like
youre telling me the company is going to be completely fine we robbed sector 0 and then resell that scrap collected after 3 days there

if its their sector, why do they not punish us for going, why wouldnt they know we were there, why are they ok with selling the scrap from it

and i know actually fully making this acclaimed punishment is basically impossible without completely redesigning how the main area of gordion behaves

but its still something you can never get out of your head when you think of it

[fluid thorn]

I think I just assumed that since it is abandoned no one is really watching it. Plus, they want scrap so they aren’t really watching where you get it from.

I like it. I find the idea of robbing the company blind and selling their stuff back to them funny

[worthy fulcrum]

well the thing is it kind of retcons the company monster
supposedly, heavily implied, gordion is holding back this eldritch beast that ate a planet made of gold
and we are feeding it scrap so it stays satiated

if sector 0 exists as a place scrap is taken to, then that doesnt make sense

if this creature constantly needs to be fed scrap, they wouldnt keep so much in storage all the time
and especially wouldnt just not notice its now gone later

[cinder plover]

factory built on a gas giant I think

cool concept, neat execution

[cinder plover]

Entrance Blocker allows you to unblock them as a mechanic which probably won't work if the fire exits are "broken"

And ETO still has LP's blocked entrance warning show up EVEN IF the entrances are "fixed" by ETO and become unblocked

[worthy fulcrum]

wtf deadlock is a ripoff

i cant believe this

unscribing skelaah wild moon

[cinder plover]

is deadlock also that?

didn't know that

I really like deadlock from a gameplay standpoint but I think the landing spot and just the outside in general could use some work

[lucid adder]

Turned off

i would enable randomisation if LethalPerfomance didn't break it

[honest oxide]

Well how is the randomization working? Does it just move an already spawned entranceteleport to a random position or is it creating them without spawning network object like MI?

[lucid adder]

JLL randomisation, with some probability - it turns on random MainEntrance

if i remember correctly, without a network object

[honest oxide]

Not having the network object is why it doesn't play well with LP

Can you run code to spawn the network object after randomisation is done?

[molten light]

You might be able to speak with Jacob about enabling randomization and keeping it networked

[lucid adder]

JLL turns on the object after LP, and LP does not see the object and registers that MainEntrance does not exist

[molten light]

@mellow shoal Does your entrance randomizer script make entrances not be networked? Or is this just a case of LP panicking thinking it's not networked due to the order the patches run?

[mellow shoal]

what "entrance randomizer script"?
what does that even mean

[lucid adder]

Randomisation Object

[molten light]

Basically Tolian was making use of your Object Randomizer script it sounds like to randomize where the fire exits spawn at on CaltPrime, but it seemingly breaks the entrances being networked

[worthy fulcrum]

no he randomized the main entrance

actually maybe both

[mellow shoal]

wdym by object randomizer? are you just talking about like a randomized event disabling/enabling objects?
I'd ask if you were talking about random prop placer but i don't think that would work at all with any mods cus i think that runs after dungeon generation

[lucid adder]

Well, it works if LP is disabled

[mellow shoal]

what are you doing tho

like what component are you using and how are you doing it?

i will open with this is absolutely not a supported or intended use case of anything in jll but it can probably work if done right?

[lucid adder]

When i get home, i'll send a couple of screenshots

[molten light]

I just found out LP goes off if you have Hadal on a moon with fire exits

LMAO

It works so perfect on Lithium though so I may ignore it since ETO corrects the issue for now

Okay well the tiles get reused too much on Lithium damn

A shame

[lucid adder]

Ahah

i wonder how

Hadal has tiles with fire exits but no fire_entrance on the moon

[molten light]

Yeah might just be the fire exits aren't networked since the moon doesn't have them

[mellow shoal]

if you are doing anything with enabling/disabling the entrance teleports do not do that. i don't think it'll throw errors necessary but there will be broken behavior even in mostly vanilla if your entrance teleports are missing their network objects. (players flying through terrain and sometimes iirc weird enemy pathing) and you probably shouldn't be disabling network objects in this case either?
that being said even though moving entrance teleports isn't something i ever accounted for i think you may be able to use the random seed event script i have. it's different from the normal randomized event because it is not networked but instead uses the round seed with an offset to create the same random for every client. the part that might work with that one is along with events it allows you to link transforms to teleport objects to preset positions/rotations. you may be able to use that to teleport your fire exits to predetermined positions based on the level seed and that may work better overall

idk what exactly LP is caching so idk if that will fix that compatibilit but it will at least be a way to have fixed behaviors elsewhere

[molten light]

It caches the entrance teleports so if the network object for the entrance teleports are missing it fires off a warning

[sharp sage]

Oh I never did test the LP entrance teleport caching with the Bozoros setting that just removes one of the fire exits

I probably should

Maybe if disabling an entrance early enough it's fine? I haven't heard issues with it, but also it's pretty rare to use that setting to begin with lol

[sharp sage]

This appears to be working fine

[mellow shoal]

yeah try removing all those duplicates and have your entrances always enabled. then do the thing i suggested with teleporting to random preset positions

[sharp sage]

Oh yeah if a NetworkBehaviour starts disabled it won't spawn for clients

Could maybe get away with having them start enabled and then disabling

[sharp sage]

That's what I do for this Bozo fire exit and it seems fine with the entrance teleport caching

[vestal nimbus]

I still wouldn't do that, NGO specifically warns for you to not do that iirc

[sharp sage]

Yeah probably still not ideal

[fluid thorn]

Warnings were meant to be ignored. Live dangerously

[polar willow]

Still kinda busy irl to make a patch to harmony fix...

[polar willow]

https://cdn.7tv.app/emote/01JNTSHDH983SR2SCGYTWXBMYA/4x.webp

[cinder plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204432295025578014/1431442369781305525/how_curious.gif

i cant be mad at you diffoz you're too silly

[dark hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/кот-курит-кот-услышал-тебя-родной-cat-smoke-cat-ai-gif-10837468945082932083

[pallid sage]

Hey, just wanted to ask what the DiFFoZ Tweaks do exactly as I am considering to add them to my modpack ^-^

[flat spade]

A bunch of minor tech stuff but the big ones are iirc a fix for the soft mask incompat that came up in v70, the ability to blacklist mods from loading even if installed/enabled in mod manager and a thing that makes the game flash in taskbar once it loads into online/lan screen

Idk why diffoztweaks doesn't have a proper readme yet it's stupid

[pallid sage]

Okie, thanks a bunch! A proper ReadMe would be very welcome ^-^'

[flat spade]

yea, it's weird that it doesn't have one after so long existing

would be nice tho so people don't have to ask

[pallid sage]

Indeed. I first thought it was entirely non-serious and only now as I saw many modpacks of people active here feature it, I bothered to look into it

[cinder plover]

nvm i can be mad at diffoz this still makes me mad

[pallid sage]

I've made a pull request where I wrote everything into the Read Me that I was told about and could figure out from the config file and some extra stuff like a note about the license etc.
Let's hope it gets accepted soon ^-^

[polar willow]

diffoztweaks readme update

harmonyfix sadly no changes, dotnet restore cannot download the bepinex package from their baget

probably due to my country restrictions

[molten light]

Not my Baguette

https://tenor.com/view/cat-baguette-toy-cute-gif-16071533

[cinder plover]

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-chocolate-finally-laughs-maniacally-gif-14228908

ily diffoz tysm

[molten light]

This was a really bad joke I’m sorry lol

[worthy trout]

Is there a way to use diffoztweaks and use wesley interiors to only load a few interiors?

[worthy fulcrum]

nope

[polar willow]

isn't interiors are now support hotloading?

if so then no need for disabling them, just set spawn chance to 0

[vestal nimbus]

Nah

[molten light]

No Interiors can't hot load

[vestal nimbus]

It's not really possible to do that (in a clean way) afaik

Mostly because interiors aren't scene based

[molten light]

Also glad to see you around DiFFoZ I know you're not as active nowadays but it's always great to see ya

[vestal nimbus]

So all the networking parts of the bundle would need to be done in a specific way so that it can support hotloading

But if you have a good solution for that diffoz do tell I'm listening

[dull quarry]

My initial theory for it was registering a metric fuckton of dummy prefabs from the jump and indiana jones swapping them out when needed

[robust dock]

best option: rewrite dungen to use data types that only refer to prefabs that can be unloaded and get everyone to migrate to that

and at the same time, make it support threading

simple

[dull quarry]

i mean that's how it already works, no?

[robust dock]

the data is in the prefabs currently

data that is only used during generation

it makes sense to separate that out imo

[dull quarry]

In general I agree but for lethal hotloading purposes

like the extendeddungeonflow wrapper LLL has and such already abstracts the data needed for interiors when they aren't needing to be actively generated

[robust dock]

in that case, wouldn't it be possible to make a clone of the DungeonFlow with no actual data, then defer generation until you can swap that flow for the real one?

[dull quarry]

yes, we don't even necessarily need the dummy to exist really (although we probably would do that)

since anything touching the dungeonflow itself would be when we'd actually want the contents to exist

the problems needed to be solved is mostly network prefab registration related i think

[robust dock]

ah yeah

[dull quarry]

hence my idea of just preloading like honestly a 1k or 2 empty prefabs for network registration off the bat

then swapping those in and out with the real prefabs when they are hotloaded in/out

[robust dock]

hmm, I feel like it ought to be possible to register and unregister them just fine, as long as you sniff around the networking code enough

I haven't looked too much into that though

[dull quarry]

i think thats not how they want stuff when your in an active lobby

it wants stuff registered before the lobby starts

but your right in that we can just fuck with the lists directly whenever we want

[robust dock]

right it's definitely not intended

[dull quarry]

(as long as the same stuff happens on each client)

[robust dock]

but as long as we're not spawning stuff out of turn, it'll be fine

it's just a simple lookup table

[dull quarry]

oh actually

the networkobjecthashid's or whatever might be some sort of problem

idk

overall it's def doable

[robust dock]

how so? aren't those UUIDs?

[dull quarry]

just a weird feeling unity might manage those independently somewhere and/or not like them suddenly existing and not existing

idk might be wrong

[open plover]

@polar willow curious what would be needed to make bep faster load assetbundles patcher work on other games 🤔
like i know it just works on repo out of the box but what about something like risk of rain 2? i tried it and it shit out a bunch of errors

[polar willow]

I do remember that someone already ported it to ror2, so check thunderstore. But about the error is because ror2 is using old unity version, so some assetbundle's API are not the same as on newer versions
@open plover

[open plover]

doesnt exist from what I can tell maybe its not public
ror2 uses unity 2021.3.33f1 rn

[open plover]

oh yeah i forgot i asked before

lmfao

but isnt that for 2019 like you said
ror2 is on 2021 now

ill try it but checking back it didnt load then

[open plover]

oh hey it actually worked this time the game loaded and there is a time cut
from 3:08 to 2:50

not super big but thats probably just because ror2 and how it does asset bundle stuff

having some other peeeps test and see what they get

[vestal nimbus]

did you give it time to actually do the stuff it needs to do? it logs in the console overtime what it does with the bundles iirc

[open plover]

ror2 is just diff than lethal

so its gonna be worse

but its still better than nothing

[open plover]

as you can see someone else had a bit bigger gains than me

cuz its a bit list dependent too

[vestal nimbus]

its very dependant on the mods you have with their assetbundles yeah

[open plover]

i tested like 6 times with it and without and it averaged 10-12% gain
which is like not as much as lethal but its again more than nothing

and that other person got like 20%

[vestal nimbus]

also i personally can't see how that would make much of a difference, if they're both using unity, even if the versions are different they should be using a similar enough underlying system to load bundles, which is what this mod optimises

idk how much ror2 bundles usually are but i dont imagine you'll see stuff like wesleys moons

[open plover]

you wont yeah our asset bundles are smaller and are loaded a little differently

on top of that some modders just have done what diffoz does to their mods manually

[vestal nimbus]

ic, that's interesting

[open plover]

a win is a win it would be cool if it could be higher but not sure if there is anything that can be done

i think its just a matter of diffrent enviorments

[open plover]

doing a comparison its significantly smaller for ror2
because alot of ror2 modding isnt entire damn planets like lethal has lol

for example this is the 2nd largest content mod atm and its 53 MB meanwhile wesley is 1.3 GB lol

[vestal nimbus]

lol then yeah you'll barely see as much of an improvement compared to what you'd see in lethal

[open plover]

whole ass maps likely in way higher fidelity than ror2 stages
and 99% of ror2 mod content isnt stages unlike lethal which moons and interiors are everywhere

[open plover]

a better comparison as this mod is HUGEEEEE and people rag on its size for being unoptimized sometimes

[open plover]

after testing several people this works without a hitch
while the gains arent as good as lethal they are still gains
if you upload it to ror2 its gonna need to be a separate package name due to the file being different
either you can or if I have permission I can

[dull quarry]

Though in fairness realistically Wesley’s is probably a lot bigger than it needs to be due to our modding scene starting off with no real standards to reference from the base game + all api modders being fairly new to this stuff

If base game had addressables + we started hot loading from the jump with shared generalised bundles and that methodology was taught from the get go a lot of peoples stuff would be smaller

[open plover]

I think it also has to do with the fact that lethal company moons and interiors have significantly more assets compared to a ror2 content mod

[sharp sage]

Addressables do sound great lol

[open plover]

yeah ror2 has addressables

[polar willow]

sure, you can upload it to ror2 community

[open plover]

any chance you could also make a 2021.3.33f1 version?
ror2 used to be on 2019 but since then we are on 2021 now as of semi recent
while the 2019 version works it might be worth seeing if a more up to date version would perform better

[polar willow]

no it won't

[open plover]

also im realizing that version is 7 major updates behind because it was made in 2024
that might be part of why its not as fast?
could you maybe build an updated one? if no thats fine/understandable

[molten light]

Does the version that Lethal uses not work with RoR2?

[open plover]

yeah

because its made for a higher unity version

so the version ror2 using is missing some features so it gets angry and shits itself

[open plover]

@polar willow ?

[polar willow]

no it's not

[open plover]

figured out how to compile it on my end so i wont have to bother you about it anymore either

[granite sphinx]

how do i disable **LethalLevelLoaderUpdated **and not **LethalLevelLoader **in the DiFFoZ Tweaks config file?
Because LethalLevelLoaderUpdated is causing issues in my modpack -> #help-and-troubleshooting message

[hidden cypress]

LLLU should not be causing anything

it was updated to not ever load fully and get overridden

by base LLL

[granite sphinx]

huh

[hidden cypress]

its pretty much an empty mod now

until devs update dependancies

[granite sphinx]

i think its because i had the 1.5.1 version being added to my modpack

[hidden cypress]

have it updated

itll not do anything

on the latest

[granite sphinx]

Ok i think i know what happened
I removed it from my gale code modpack (Works fine on gale)
But when installed on thunderstore some mods added the old version of it as a dependency

it got me thinking really hard because i saw this full of code
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/pacoito/LethalLevelLoaderUpdated/source/

[round kindle]

Makes sense

Just leave the latest update in it

It doesnt do anything either way so, best to have it in the pack

[granite sphinx]

yeah

[wintry ocean]

BepInEx Faster Load AssetBundles Patcher folder path is so long that it fails to load 💀

C:\Users\userc\AppData\Roaming\com.kesomannen.gale\lethal-company\profiles\SaturdayPack 20260227 v73 - Explosive Experience\BepInEx\patchers\DiFFoZ-BepInEx_Faster_Load_AssetBundles_Patcher\BepInExFasterLoadAssetBundles\BepInExFasterLoadAssetBundles.dll

  at System.IO.FileStream..ctor (System.String path, System.IO.FileMode mode, System.IO.FileAccess access, System.IO.FileShare share, System.Int32 bufferSize, System.Boolean anonymous, System.IO.FileOptions options) [0x0019e] in <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:0
  at System.IO.FileStream..ctor (System.String path, System.IO.FileMode mode, System.IO.FileAccess access, System.IO.FileShare share) [0x00000] in <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:0
  at (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) System.IO.FileStream..ctor(string,System.IO.FileMode,System.IO.FileAccess,System.IO.FileShare)
  at Mono.Cecil.ModuleDefinition.GetFileStream (System.String fileName, System.IO.FileMode mode, System.IO.FileAccess access, System.IO.FileShare share) [0x00006] in <6034b380a22b41a596c9dc29d282c0a9>:0
  at Mono.Cecil.ModuleDefinition.ReadModule (System.String fileName, Mono.Cecil.ReaderParameters parameters) [0x00008] in <6034b380a22b41a596c9dc29d282c0a9>:0
  at Mono.Cecil.AssemblyDefinition.ReadAssembly (System.String fileName, Mono.Cecil.ReaderParameters parameters) [0x00000] in <6034b380a22b41a596c9dc29d282c0a9>:0
  at BepInEx.Bootstrap.TypeLoader.FindPluginTypes[T] (System.String directory, System.Func`2[T,TResult] typeSelector, System.Func`2[T,TResult] assemblyFilter, System.String cacheName) [0x0006c] in <cebe69d7792f4abca78b685257766c60>:0```

[honest oxide]

enable long path in regedit

[wintry ocean]

problem is i would need to tell everyone in my group to do this too or trust a random script i could make :/

[proud vapor]

How this isnt on by default in current year is baffling lol

[polar willow]

just make your modpack name shorter

[honest oxide]

it should be default already but we know how microsoft is

and like

programs that use it have to specify they can see long path

so i dont think it would affect older programs except for like

trying to use a long path in a program that doesnt support it

easy enough fix

[polar willow]

Looks like lethal performance will get a lot of the code removed due to some performance news from zeekerss

The only thing that I'm thinking will stay is ES3 caching & config async saving

[round kindle]

:o

hey at least performance is getting better in vanilla hehe

[polar willow]

yeah that's good

also I heard that we will get resolution settings 👀

[vestal nimbus]

Yee to modify the resolution

[polar willow]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-labirhin-gif-6022140330068916888

[molten light]

Finally

Hope for native Ultrawide support too

[agile oyster]

im not sure how he's doing it but what i specifically suggested was the ability to choose the low and high resolution settings the game already has internally

so if he just added an option to select differently sized rendertextures then aspect ratios are still gonna be pretty fucked up

but maybe he added dynamic scaling

i think it steals might use dynamic scaling for resolution? but it's been a while since i checked

[agile oyster]

for sure i doubt he'll be touching anything related to this

[vestal nimbus]

https://discord.com/channels/750645598293590077/1481345859365900503 since this was never closed i doubt the update will have better resolution support

[agile oyster]

but i also kinda expect most of the features in this mod are still gonna be fine to keep? like i really doubt he's doing caching for roundmanager and vehiclecontroller and stuff

i think he might have mentioned he fixed the memory leak with FoliageDetailDistance but i will (respectfully!) believe it when i see it

[polar willow]

nope he didn't

I'll wait for nuget package update and then start working on updating to v80

[polar willow]

Oh hey atleast diffoztweaks doesn't throw any exception on startup

[molten light]

LethalPerformance and DiffoZTweaks are flagged as AI Generated for some reason

[polar willow]

[dark hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-spongebob-fade-sad-spongebob-fade-spongebob-squarepants-gif-6809309790348871263

[polar willow]

lethal performance no more more

[vestal nimbus]

wait wut

if lethal performance dies you die 🥺

[thorny gazelle]

no more more what?
more more working
more more broken
more more more
more more v80
more more v73

[round kindle]

M

[flat spade]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[hidden cypress]

is BepInEx Faster Load AssetBundles Patcher cooked

or is it still good

I assume LP would need a patch right

[honest oxide]

why would it need a patch

[molten light]

LethalPerformance appears to work just fine

Okay it does appear to need an update

throws some errors relating to DunGen too

[hidden cypress]

also found a weird issue with LP

seems to prevent new configs from generating

or old ones from updatingw

when loading into a lobby

def needs a patch

[polar willow]

well the nuget package is still not updated, so no updates for lp

[sand river]

the 2 AI mods i will download

[polar willow]

Looks like LC nuget redist will be updated when v80 will got out of public beta

also, maybe zeekerss would include burst libraries to the release build, if someone ask him to do it

[vestal nimbus]

whats the benefits of that, i can make a suggestions post for it

[polar willow]

HDRP code uses burst for lighting & shadow preparation data for the gpu, so it should increase cpu performance

[vestal nimbus]

and that's just by including burst libraries to the release build?

[polar willow]

yeah

[vestal nimbus]

okie

[polar willow]

for him it's just to click on checkbox

[vestal nimbus]

https://discord.com/channels/750645598293590077/1489919378056151040 well i did it

it probably helps if people react to the message there or smthn, but idk, hopefully he sees it

[polar willow]

[molten light]

Finally LethalPerformance can update

[sharp sage]

[vast tartan]

hello, are these mods still relevant in v81?

[worthy trout]

bepinex faster and diffoz tweaks you can use

[vast tartan]

what about lp?

[worthy trout]

wait for a new update

[vast tartan]

oh so its going to be updated then?

[worthy trout]

yes

[polar willow]

[1.2.2] 2026-04-07

Fixed

• Harmony patches that was broken with v80 release.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DiFFoZ/LethalPerformance/

Also, I got this exception, but I'm not sure if it's base code or not

[Info   : Unity Log] Error despawning mold: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object                                                                                                                   at StartOfRound+<EndOfGame>d__321.MoveNext () [0x002a1] in <bc42cf6950c34b22862bb697b6cfe961>:0 

I guess it's base code, because of try catch was used here

[polar willow]

[Warning:LethalPerformance] Failed to find gameobject of MoldSpreadManager

Ok, it's my fault

👍

[1.2.3] 2026-04-07

Fixed

• Failing to find mold spread manager for caching.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DiFFoZ/LethalPerformance/

[vestal nimbus]

https://tenor.com/view/kita-bocchi-the-rock-kita-ikuyo-clap-happy-gif-10036180577568127404

[sharp sage]

@polar willow This be running before LLL's method to create a RuntimeDungeon on the fly, if the moon doesn't have one: https://github.com/DiFFoZ/LethalPerformance/blob/main/LethalPerformance/Patches/ReferenceHolder/MoonCachingPatch.cs#L52

Moons that have not yet updated have their RuntimeDungeon and UnityNavMeshAdapter references missing, so it's caching nothing there

I run it here: https://github.com/pacoito123/LC_LethalLevelLoader/blob/LethalLevelLoaderUpdated/LethalLevelLoader/General/Patches.cs#L562

[polar willow]

yikes

i forgot that dungeon references got borked with the update

[sharp sage]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zaggy1024/DunGenReferenceFixer do fix it though

[nocturne lantern]

doesnt fix all dungeons, mind you

if there's any with really fancy scripting, it may not work well still

[sharp sage]

Ye no I mean it'll fix the scene itself lacking a DungeonGenerator

For any interior to even attempt to generate

[nocturne lantern]

if i had a list of what other libs needed updooting for the remainder, id provide it

[vestal nimbus]

DungeonGenerationPlus and GenericDoorScript

[nocturne lantern]

... that it?

[vestal nimbus]

Basically yeah

[nocturne lantern]

huh

thought the listd be bigger

[sharp sage]

Shoulda used SpecificDoorway™ clearly smh smh

Tag stuff at the bottom is tactical™

[nocturne lantern]

ito promoting bloat as always 😔

[vestal nimbus]

Lol

[nocturne lantern]

||(/j)||

[sharp sage]

New DunGen version can replace most of SpecificDoorway™ though lol

Entrance/Exits don't have a thing to allow them to swap and be interchangeable though

[polar willow]

o, maybe then add this as a dependency

[sharp sage]

I mean I fix it on LLL's end, at least for moons

[vestal nimbus]

i dont think that mod would fix the issue that moons have

this fixes stuff like prefabs and such going missing from missing scripts

[sharp sage]

It does apparently though

[vestal nimbus]

does it?

[sharp sage]

I didn't think it did for scenes but it lets you land with LethalPerformance in the pack

[vestal nimbus]

oh neat

ig its just that good

[sharp sage]

But yeah without that the RuntimeDungeon doesn't exist when NavMeshSurface.OnEnable() gets called, so LethalPerformance caches nothing

[vast tartan]

[Warning:LethalPerformance] EntranceTeleport search called with inactive objects, probably will cause incompatibility!

[trail latch]

for some reason this mod wont work for me?

basically get stuck on entering atmosphere

something to do with harmony x

[polar willow]

use dungenreferencefixer

[nocturne lantern]

unless the interior you're loading uses DungeonGenerationPlus or Generic Door Script

[trail latch]

[18:12:09.7359598] [Error :LethalPerformance.Patcher] System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at LethalPerformance.Patcher.Patches.Patch_ConfigFile.SaveOptimized (BepInEx.Configuration.ConfigFile instance) [0x00088] in //Patches/Patch_ConfigFile.cs:142
at BepInEx.Configuration.ConfigFile.Save () [0x00000] in <d1b9206986c241dcad96bb21eee55a97>:IL_0000
at LethalPerformance.Patcher.Utilities.ConfigSaverTask.SaveAsync (System.Collections.Generic.Queue1[T] queue) [0x00011] in /_/Utilities/ConfigSaverTask.cs:74 at LethalPerformance.Patcher.Helpers.AsyncHelper+<>c__DisplayClass1_01[T].<Schedule>b__0 () [0x00014] in //Helpers/AsyncHelper.cs:28

got this error?

i mean it works or seems to work fine

[polar willow]

you're using broken mod

[polar willow]

well it's not broken mod, but it just has the broken version

e.g. 1.2.3-customtag

[trail latch]

how do i fix it?

should i revert to 1.2.2

[polar willow]

you have to wait until the fix will be published

[polar willow]

1.2.4 published to fix mod version null reference exception

[trail latch]

Appreciate it!

[polar willow]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zaggy1024/DunGenReferenceFixer/

[dark hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-huh-cat-what-sus-suspicious-gif-9855894845569274120

[neon bluff]

@polar willow

[polar willow]

i guess it's cruiser got spawned, right?

[molten light]

@polar willow Figured I would forward DaXcess' response in here ^^

[polar willow]

oh, hm probably due to second view count causing wrong memory access

[molten light]

That would make sense yeah, also I think you should prolly remove the AI Generated tags from this mod and DiFFoZTweaks as the difference between Generated and Assisted I think does matter lol cus most people are filtering out mods rn that are tagged as AI Generated because of all the truly AI Generated mod uploads that are broken

@burnt monolith Would you agree with me on this?

[burnt monolith]

The bar for AI Generated is rather nebulously set at "If we can tell" and that's usually because of low quality code. If you want to apply it then that's up to how you feel about the role and contribution of AI in your project

[agile oyster]

i was curious if it was applied manually or if there was some sort of reason it got flagged

i have wondered for a bit

[polar willow]

it was manual by me

[agile oyster]

i see 🙂

[buoyant coyote]

Hello, find that when Lethal Performance is enabled, i cant land to modded moons (tested on Generic Moons and 16 Attenuation). Dont know on which side is problem, just reporting.
Error message " This client could not find dungeon generator! scene count: 2"

[blazing forge]

^

[round kindle]

Do yall have dungenreferencefixer?

[blazing forge]

i dont

[buoyant coyote]

No, it wasn't in the dependency list of any mods, should it fix this problem?

[blazing forge]

i just tried it, it fixes it

[buoyant coyote]

That's good, big thanks @round kindle

[round kindle]

Lol heheh

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-spore-dance-gif-14387965675849981372

[trail latch]

For some reason when I got to like 3rd quota, when people entered the interior of a moon they started lagging to the point where it became unplayable?

Kept getting an error spam the logs too

One sec

#help-and-troubleshooting message

Can anyone help? I have no idea what’s causing this but idk if lethalperformance is meant to fix this?

[polar willow]

[1.2.5] 2026-05-03

Added

• Dependency on DunGenReferenceFixer.

Fixed

• Game doesn't render anything with LCVR.
• Profiler doesn't work with updated unity version (thanks Zagster).

[grim vortex]

yay lcvr fix

[sand river]

Parameter name: key
[Error  :EverythingCanDieAlternative] Stack trace:   at LethalPerformance.Patcher.Patches.Patch_ConfigDefinition.CheckInvalidConfigCharsOptimized (System.String value, System.String name) [0x0004f] in /_/Patches/Patch_ConfigDefinition.cs:47
  at (wrapper dynamic-method) BepInEx.Configuration.ConfigDefinition.DMD<BepInEx.Configuration.ConfigDefinition::CheckInvalidConfigChars>(string,string)
  at BepInEx.Configuration.ConfigDefinition..ctor (System.String section, System.String key) [0x00011] in <d1b9206986c241dcad96bb21eee55a97>:IL_0011
  at BepInEx.Configuration.ConfigFile.Bind[T] (System.String section, System.String key, T defaultValue, System.String description) [0x00000] in <d1b9206986c241dcad96bb21eee55a97>:IL_0000
  at EverythingCanDieAlternative.UI.EnemyAliases.ScanAndPersistDisplayNames () [0x000da] in <e7700b851782437ba1bb93f15afbc8bd>:IL_00DA
  at EverythingCanDieAlternative.Patches.StartOfRoundPostfix (StartOfRound __instance) [0x001c0] in <e7700b851782437ba1bb93f15afbc8bd>:IL_01C0``` I think your mod and ECDA don't like each other

I would forward it to the dev of that mod but i don't know where that is

[lusty niche]

Hey, the error is unrelated to Lethal Performance. The error is in ECDA not sanitizing enemie's names. Iam currently looking into it.

[thorny gazelle]

It seems that Lethal Performance makes DistinctMoonVariety not load, it softlock with this log

[vestal nimbus]

Did you disable LP's latest mod dependency?

DunGenFixer?

[thorny gazelle]

no, I only disabled LP

[polar willow]

if moon relies on LLL to create runtime dungeon component, then LP won't catch it as it runs after the caching

[cursive linden]

why does it depend on the dungenfixer 😭

[round kindle]

It breaks interiors

[marsh sentinel]

is there a reason 0.0.100 is not the most recent version of BepInEx Faster Load?
someone in my group who is on linux gets the following error spammed
[Warning:BepInExFasterLoadAssetBundlesPatcher] Ignoring request of decompressing, because the free drive space is less than 10GB
on version 1.0.1 but not on 0.0.100 (there is more than enough storage available)

[whole portal]

Hello, does anyone know why, after the first launch, Bepinex Faster Load fails to load "Morecompany"?

[whole portal]

My bad, A translation mod (when used in conjunction with "Newterminal"), it seems to prevent the latter from loading...

[polar willow]

it's because of using windows api directly and TS doesn't like and would require manual approval every time when I upload the new version

I do remember that I did rewrote that again without using windows api, but it's probably lost when I switched back to windows

#1390715711487348867 message

[marsh sentinel]

i see i guess it is fine to use the prerelease version for now?

[polar willow]

yes it's fine

yeah it's lost

tho it didn't check my ReFS partition disk

o

I pushed 0.0.200, linux users try to test and see if it works

[burnt monolith]

[burnt monolith]

Is there a reason you're using the non public method in that code instead of DriveInfo.AvailableFreeSpace?

From what I'm reading that should just be fine for windows and linux users are going to be running under proton so it'll be about the same for them

[polar willow]

it was before availablefreespace

then switched to totalfreespace

[burnt monolith]

That doesn't seem right

Well whatever then, if its broke then that sucks for wine users but I think they should just flip the switch for no checking disk space

[nocturne lantern]

waaaait, this causes issues of having more than 4 players if one person has linux?

[polar willow]

no

[nocturne lantern]

hm

kk

just been havin issues tryin to get more than 5 people into our sunday lobbies

still wanna check with matty on it, too