Buttery Fixes

[trim breach]

and even has some animations

i assume zeekerss just wasn't able to make the design work the way he wanted to in game and decided to scrap it

i assume some ideas from lasso were reworked into something else

for example, if lassos were meant to drag players around as is commonly theorized

that was probably repurposed into the kidnapper fox

much further down the line

[hollow fable]

Lasso man exists since v9, as Buttery said I assume Zeekerss had some ideas in mind that ended up turning into features from other entities

[opal cairn]

i dont really understand this either tbh
for example, i know unused content is cool and interesting and people would want to see it
but ive never seen such strong belief unused content will be finialized for something as much as lasso/liquidation

like just cause its there doesnt mean it will be finalized

[jolly raven]

because the game is still in early access

[livid plover]

Liquidation will happen trust

[jolly raven]

of course unused features have a chance to actually be put in the game

[hollow fable]

Like the kidnapper fox pulling the player and spider hanging up the player on the ceiling, I think that lasso would do those things as well but in a more disturbing way...

[jolly raven]

it ain't rocket science why people would think that

[opal cairn]

but so many people treat it like its fact they will 100% be finalized

thats the thing

[hollow fable]

Zeekerss said on Patreon that he had done 7 scraps for an specific moon btw 👀

[opal cairn]

this doesnt mean liquidation

[livid plover]

Liquidation at least has the reasoning that its more recent, since it was added along with adamance, embrion, artifice

[opal cairn]

end it all

[livid plover]

Lasso man's been there forever and got nothing so I don't think anything will happen for that

[hollow fable]

I agree, but I can't imagine other candidate except maybe Embrion for that

[opal cairn]

i dont believe lasso will be finalized

but maybe liquidation

just tired of people saying its 100% coming

there is no concrete proof they will happen

[livid plover]

Actually my dad works at ZeekersRBLX and says liquidation is coming for 2 year anniversary

[opal cairn]

when do we get zeekerssplaymobile

[hollow fable]

I don't have the screenshot but I'm 99% sure that Zeekerss said lasso man is an scrapped idea and the fox isn't coming back

[trim breach]

i think the language he used leaves open the possibility it's 7 new scraps for an existing moon

[jolly raven]

7 new scraps for embrion

EMBRION SWEEP!!!!!

[trim breach]

well unironically i think that is the most likely reality

the implication is either "people will hate this moon i am adding" or "people will hate the fact im adding unique scrap to this moon"

and personally i think the explanation that makes the most sense is he's adding unique content to embrion

which will have minimal impact on the content in the rest of the game

which is i guess why he expects it to be an unpopular decision

[jolly raven]

I'm up for both cuz I usually love shitty moons so this is a win-win

[trim breach]

embrion is a little fun but it's like

"more sometimes-than-a-sometimes food"

for me

i like the visuals of it a lot and the interior experience is kind of fun

but the exterior is complete sensory overload

and the only really sensible way to play is with cruiser and/or jetpacks

[opal cairn]

the competitive community will be in flames 😡

[trim breach]

so it's just not as fun as something like artifice

which is similarly "high intensity chaos" but in a more complex way

[jolly raven]

i don't know what that means but I agree!!

[jolly raven]

embrion is so much fun, the inside gameplay's just a lil mid

oh we have like completely opposite views LOL

[jolly raven]

it's a great cruiser experience imo

[jolly raven]

well the inside's not bad per se or mid, it's pretty fun it just lacks a bit of personality maybeh

[jolly raven]

so true!!

[trim breach]

i just mean like, i play one 3-day quota of embrion once every several playthroughs and it's enough for me

[jolly raven]

Oh yeah I agree then

it's fun but a lil repetitive

[ruby jay]

well I do think liquidation will become a thing eventually™ (though also not saying it 100% will happen), but for the lasso thing, to me it doesn't seem very interesting or really fit well with the game that well. It looks super out of place to me (personally)

[opal cairn]

the barber:

[hollow fable]

Bro hit him with a truck

[ruby jay]

true, though I still think it fits the game better than the lasso by a long shot

[opal cairn]

it depends how lasso would be implemented

[hollow fable]

I would laugh my ass off if the 7 new scraps Zeekerss add are the remaining pieces from the drill and they're all in Embrion

[ruby jay]

that would be so epic

[opal cairn]

one new scrap should be the evil zed dog

it will kill you

[quiet rune]

@trim breach

Does buttery fixes or chameleon already do this?

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/WaterGun/V70PoweredLights_Fix/

[opal cairn]

(before the night begins)

[livid plover]

nope

it'll be added to one of them eventually

but for now neither of them do what that mod does

[hollow fable]

Ironically it would be cool to have an scrap that pulled an companion cube shenanigans and tried to kill you in dark

[trim breach]

i was going to add this to chameleon

because i thought i would have to design new animations for these light sources

then i found out that zeekerss just forgot to tag the lights

and the animations are already implemented and fully functional

lol

so im including in the next update for butteryfixes instead

[sweet frigate]

The whole reason with fascination with lasso is, this is an enemy that is made by zeekers so it's vanilla. Even though it almost does nothing, having a Vanilla + modpack it would be perfect. Every game has their easter eggs and Ig my modpacks will be the Lasso. Me personally am addicted to lethal so I'm trying to grab onto as much as I can 😂

Awesome! So does this mean your 100% making it or you still wishy washy about it? I mean I'm not trying to pressure you honest, you did say it was a few lines a code, but I mean whatever decision you make in the end!

[trim breach]

i will make something for it but im not going to publish it to thunderstore probably

if you want to publish it yourself that would be fine

[sweet frigate]

I don't mind that. And ofc I'll credit you 120%

Thank you for saying yes 🙏

[eternal lantern]

When using an air horn, the pitch and speed is randomiser each time. However the pitch/speed carries over to the drop sound, using whatever pitch/speed was last randomly chosen upon use. In the video the first airhorn hadnt been used, while the second had.

This also happens to clown horns, and the sound that plays when you pull an item out of your inventory.

Its not anything major, but thought id tell you for when you next want to update butteryfixes

[opal cairn]

its not randomized, its dependant on how high or low youre facing

[eternal lantern]

oh thats quite neat

[opal cairn]

wait nvm thats entirely a different game that also has an airhorn

bonus points if you know what game it is!

[trim breach]

im prone to say this is probably not a bug

stop signs and yield signs exhibit the same behavior because they are pitched in comparison to a shovel

it is a bit odd though

for sure

[thorn breach]

I assume zeekerss just uses the same audiosource in drop etc as the one for use

So that's probably why

[ruby jay]

I can't remember if anyone said they would fix this or not

[viral rock]

my only solution for that is to manually move it in furniture lock config 😅

[trim breach]

yeah i just do the same

[ruby jay]

well I like having different furniture layouts sometimes, and it's nice being able to move things whenever if needed
wouldn't furniture lock make it so I can only have one layout at all times?

[viral rock]

you can not locked them in place tho. just remember their height coordinates

if you move them around

[ruby jay]

are you able to manually set the furniture positions on the fly?

[viral rock]

on the fly? on realtime yeah with lethalconfig

[ruby jay]

sage

[sweet frigate]

Did zeekers ever post the suits with the compression from unity?

[untold sage]

I was reading through the wiki for ButteRyBalance, and when stumbling across this paragraph I wondered... if the coilhead wasn't always in constant motion while not being observed, would that help the core issue? Like maybe it'll stop and start unpredictably. I feel like that would give the enemy more life

[trim breach]

im not sure what you mean

[trim breach]

i dunno, i think it doesn't make much difference

it would maybe be a cool effect

but you're still risking death any time you're not looking at the coilhead which is already the case now

[sweet frigate]

Originally was asking if there are suit pngs that are similar to how they look in game. But in the end I just made my own lol

[trim breach]

well

the suits can be ripped directly from the game

[sweet frigate]

I did that but they still look different when put back in through moresuits

[trim breach]

assetripper (or the lc project patcher, which uses assetripper) will give you the PNGs

[sweet frigate]

When ripping them through the game, putting them back in moresuits, you can see the color is EVERRRR so slightly off and that there are patches of dark pixels that are present but hard to see

But using the one I asset ripped and moresuits default, I just ended up making best of both worlds so it's all good!

[untold sage]

True, maybe a short grace period after looking away is all that's needed. It doesn't change the gimmick, would just make it more forgiving.

'Course, you don't have to consider it, just wanted to bring it up cause I think it could be kinda cool

[trim breach]

a brief grace period after looking away might not be a bad idea

[trim breach]

i see

im not sure how moresuits reads the PNGs in

so im not sure what the difference is

[sweet frigate]

I dont' know either honestly but I was noticing little bits and peices that weren't adding up

So I made them add up HAHA

[sweet frigate]

Sorry for the reply but is the normal brown suit you provided exactly the same as the one from your brownsuit mod? Not talking about the legacy brown, I mean the normal brown. They EXACT the same or the brown suit your mod has is like already in the game and you simply just unlock it?

[trim breach]

are you talking about the one i reposted from zeekerss

[sweet frigate]

yeah!

[trim breach]

it's the official texture from v65

[sweet frigate]

I know that! I'm wondering if that brown is in the game and your mod just unlocks it or does your mod import it back in AND unlock it

[trim breach]

brown suit was never in the game

in v65 zeekerss replaced the orange suit's texture with the brown suit's texture

and in v66 he switched it back

[sweet frigate]

Ahh okok, so your mod works by putting in both the old and the new brown.

[trim breach]

my mod adds another suit

in older versions (or if you use the config setting) it uses a recreation i made myself based on old footage and screenshots

[sweet frigate]

I know! That's what I meant by old brown

It's an awesome suit

[trim breach]

after v65 i switched to using the official texture by default (which is not the same texture from old versions of the game, but it is more up-to-date with the current suit roster)

that is the whole story

pretty much

[sweet frigate]

And it's a great mod! (Get ready for the copy and paste lol)

I mean I'm going to credit you fully with the addition of the legacy brown in my mod but I feel kinda guilty if I did put the normal brown as well in my mod. Like that would make your mod feel unneeded and that feels wrong since you provided both of the brown suit pngs.

IN my modpack at least

[trim breach]

well i've mentioned before i might eventually make a more suits compatible version of this mod but i've never gotten around to it

i am completely okay with you repackaging them for more suits and then uploading them to thunderstore even, if you want

i wish zeekerss would just add the brown suit to the game as an unlockable already but here we are

anyways, the brown suit + birthday hat aren't mine

they are straight out of v65

i just fixed the birthday hat clipping into the helmet

i added them back because i like official content and it's been completely removed in v66+

the recreation is probably more accurate to the older suits (i really tried my best) but i personally prefer zeekerss' new version because it was designed to match the rest of the suits

[sweet frigate]

I wouldn't mind making a moresuits version but I only know the moresuits basics as in making it either default, have emission, or be priced

I'm no modder I'm more of a modpacker

[trim breach]

well more suits is designed to be as accessible as possible

it's designed so that people like you can easily integrate new suits with minimal effort

[sweet frigate]

"people like you"

LOL

jk

I mean I can if you'd like, but the config part is the issue. If I add the config option (which I don't know how) it really wouldn't be that much different from your mod. If I didn't, both could be default which would technically be different

[trim breach]

all you'd need to know to make them match my mod:

• the v65 brown suit uses the same "tint color" as all the other suits, so it's a bit darker than the original texture. it's blended multiplicatively with hex #8E8E8E
• the birthday hat is impossible to add without writing your own code, i believe. i dont think moresuits provides "accessory" support
• my recreation is designed to not have a tint color, it's meant to be pure white (so the helmet and oxygen tanks appear brighter)
• the v65 brown suit uses the same normal map as all of the vanilla suits
• my recreation uses an older normal map i sourced from one of the alphas - probably v9, but maybe v4?

[trim breach]

you probably couldnt add a config, best you could do is add both suits at the same time

but my mod is open source and i dont even own half of the assets used in this mod

you are free to repackage it for more suits if you want

i think my mod already doesn't play nice with more suits since i wrote it so weirdly, so anybody using more suits would probably appreciate having the option

[sweet frigate]

so this needs to have the blended multiplicatively thing or is already good to go?

It's hard to tell since the brown suit is like one solid color

[trim breach]

zeekerss applied the tint on the material

i dont know what tint color moresuits defaults to

if it defaults to white, adding the texture directly would result in it looking much brighter

than it originally did

if it defaults to #8e8e8e (what all the vanilla suits use) then it wouldnt be a problem

but if you dont override that, my recreation is going to look too dark

my point is just - both suits use different tint colors, so you'll need to set it for one of them, i dont know which

[trim breach]

applying the tint from the material makes the texture look like this

for reference

[sweet frigate]

I don't think moresuits uses a tint. Like any suit I put it looks EXACTLY the same. Like almost pixel perfect. I asset ripped the orange suit but putting it through moresuits, it looked just slightly off

[trim breach]

if you can add the orange suit, and it looks identical, then moresuits would be applying the vanilla tint by default

which means if you add my recreated texture the same way

it's going to look too dark

you'll have to find a way to remove the tint color for the recreation suit using moresuits' api

[sweet frigate]

Ok. So I'm trying to understand this lol. This is my orange suit. I used both moresuits and the base game to make it. When in moresuits, this suit is EXACTLY the same color as the normal orange suit

So knowing that

Do either of these need any extra like you said above?

[trim breach]

the orange suit is designed to be tinted

this is what the texture looks like if you apply the tint to it directly

moresuits is applying that tint for you when it adds the new suit's material

so that's why it matches

[trim breach]

this suit (the official v65 texture) is also designed to be tinted

so however you are adding the orange suit

adding the v65 brown suit the same way should be fine

[sweet frigate]

Which is (hopefully) just slapping in moresuits, the same way I did the orange

[trim breach]

[my suit texture](#1201952899928948808 message) is designed to have no tint

so if you add it the same way as the orange or brown suit

it's going to appear too dark in game

[sweet frigate]

ohhh

[trim breach]

you need to find some way to untint it

i assume more suits has some sort of property in the same file where you set emission

to change the suit's base color

[sweet frigate]

It might but I've checked through a LOT of suit mods and the only extra I've seen people use are emission. What does it have to be tinted back to?

[trim breach]

if you set the "tint color" (i've been using that name to make it more intuitive, but the property is probably called "_Color" or "_BaseColor") to white, it applies no tint

the "tint color" is just multiplicatively blended with the entire texture

if you blend it with #8e8e8e (a mid-range gray) then it darkens all the pixels and the entire texture becomes darker

multiplicative blending is only able to darken a texture

multiplicative blending with pure white results in the texture being unchanged

you also wouldn't be able to, say, "untint" my texture so that when the vanilla color is applied it winds up looking the same

multiplicative blending inherently results in a loss of color range

[sweet frigate]

ohhh

[trim breach]

anyways sorry for the confusing explanation but i am trying my best

[sweet frigate]

It's alright, I'm trying my best to understand

Basically that legacy brown png needs to be untinted because it's too dark. But the issue is when you tint you lose color

[trim breach]

yes, you need to tell moresuits not to tint my texture

it's designed so it looks correct when it is on a pure white material

anything else is going to make it look too dark

the vanilla suits are designed to be blended with gray, which it sounds like moresuits is doing by default, so that's why they look correct

when you just import the texture

[sweet frigate]

I think I understand it now

[trim breach]

cool

sorry about all the text

anyways if i get some time i could maybe look into how moresuits does things

and provide some pointers

you might also be able to ask some people that are more knowledgeable with more suits already, and they could help

[sweet frigate]

Oh for sure I'll def ask around haha. I'll try to get it just right! There is this tag like thing in the moresuits site and it's where I'm guessing people found emission from. I guess I just need to find the one that doesn't apply a tint.

I'll do my best! If I can't find anything on it tn, I'll ask in the morning.

Also I planned to ask 3 days after mentioning it, and technically it's the third day so while your here, what's the verdict on that lasso man mod! I promise with every quota in me I'm not ditching the suit idea. If you knew what I had to do to get my suits just right, you'd believe me haha

[trim breach]

my output with lethal mods has been much slower recently

and ive been spending most of my time updating my main set of mods

but i do still intend to make that for you

[sweet frigate]

Thanks! It's going to be on my mind though for awhile so could you like give me a rough estimate on like when to mention it again?

It's a me thing mb haha

[trim breach]

maybe i could just do it now

give me a little bit

[sweet frigate]

No!!! I don't want to trouble you with it

Just whenever you want to fr!

But I mean if you insisssst

[brazen fulcrum]

Did you ever give any extra thought to making a microwave mod that makes things explode buttery 😆

I know thats something you wished for

[teal flicker]

Don't make Wesley's nuke explode plz ty

[sweet frigate]

I FORGOT TO COPY THE TEXT THAT SAYS YOU MADE THIS MOD! I PROMISE I'M UPLOADING IT RN I"M SO SORRY

I just uploaded so they'll get 1.0.1 pretty much right after

I had a bunch of text in different spots on my pc so I could make the readme look nice

[trim breach]

lol

i really dont care if you credit me

it's fine

[trim breach]

i might

[sweet frigate]

No, I am crediting you

[trim breach]

it would be kinda fun

[sweet frigate]

You deserve it

[sweet frigate]

Sorry for the reply but me crediting you and a link to your mod page should appear on the 1.0.1 version on thundestore. If you have the time, could you tell me what you think of the readme? I tried to make it sound as immersive as possible even though it's basically a thumper with configurable attack speed lol

[thorn breach]

Someone mentioned to me how it doesn't explode metallic items and I was like "what? But that's exactly the attention to detail zeekerss would usually have on stuff!"

[trim breach]

yes

[opal cairn]

and the baby sapsuckers dont scream if eaten by a maneater

im crying

[thorn breach]

I dont know if maneater inherits the threat stuff outside enemies use so sapsucker might not even be able to target it at all

[opal cairn]

no i mean if you brought a hatched egg inside and a maneater ate it after you drop it

they just dont scream

[thorn breach]

They do with company monster right?

Weird discrepancy ig

[trim breach]

i think it's cute

[sweet frigate]

thank you! I tried to incorpurate it's constant fear effect, silent noise, and strangulation as lore

plus the challenge moon it initially spawned on

not incorperated teh moon, just a mention of it

[trim breach]

maneaters completely despawn items when they eat them so it wouldn't be capable of emitting audio by the time it gets eaten

at the company stuff gets placed on the counter, gets scooped into the hatch, and then despawns after a couple of seconds

[trim breach]

yes i think this is a fun callback

[sweet frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-gif-16890160374034355907

[hollow fable]

Interesting

I might be a little annoying, but does Lasso has a death animation?

What are his spawn chances? (Currently)

[trim breach]

no

lasso has 3 animations

idle, walking, and "grabbing"

none of them are hooked up and so only the idle one works

[trim breach]

none

it has 0 weight on rend, dine, titan, artifice, and adamance

[hollow fable]

Then, lasso restored doesn't spawn lasso because he doesn't have an spawn rate?

Also, that means he's invencible in-game?

[sweet frigate]

lasso man had this flag or something set to false so even if you set his spawn weight, you couldn't respawn him. Now he can spawn again, is bug-fixed, and can deal damage. The modpage says you have to assign it's moons

[hollow fable]

🤔

[hollow fable]

What about this?

[hollow fable]

sry for the many questions, it's just that i'm interested but i'm judging how viable is adding him

I assumed he had some spawn rate but it might be the wiki having misleading information again

[opal cairn]

ok so challenge moon information is widely undocumented

the reason lasso was able to spawn on that one rend challenge moon is because a modifier made his spawn weight 100

challenge moons have multiple modifiers, one of them is setting a random interior monsters weight to 100

this prompted zeekerss to release the patch where he disabled the flag stan was talking about here earlier

this is also why sometimes a challenge moon has off-feeling monster spawns

there was a march one that set nutcrackers weight to 100

[hollow fable]

If i remember correctly, infestation on LC nowadays all enemies are given spawn weight of 1

if lasso man doesn't have a flag, that means he can naturally spawn on infestations?

[opal cairn]

that would mean that if zeekerss never disabled it, yes

[hollow fable]

That's cool, but what if i combo these two?
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MrHumbe/Lasso_Man/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/chillworks/Lasso_Restored/

[opal cairn]

well mrhumbes mod doesnt even work

it never did ever afaik

so youd just be adding an extra mod for nothing basically

[hollow fable]

not even these configs?

[opal cairn]

doesnt work as in lasso just never spawned with the mod at all

also i love how theres a setting to disable him spawning even though its completely pointless

just disable the mod like

whatever

[hollow fable]

yeah, why would anyone even want that as false

i might test both of them and put stupid values on these "Max Amount" and "Spawn Rarity"

[sweet frigate]

for lasso restored, all it does is fixes it's bugs/ai and allows it to spawn anddd allows it to deal damage. You have to set it's spawn weight with other mods. It's ai is basically exactly the same as the thumper. so in short a VERY quiet thumper. You can config it's atl speed to be instant though but you'd probably want it to be rarer if that's your choice.

[opal cairn]

is it killable in this case

cause its nion-impossible to counter otherwise by the sound of things

[sweet frigate]

no clue. if it wasn't in base game probably not

[opal cairn]

well to be fair it wasnt because it had nothing set up for it

[sweet frigate]

The only counter is setting it to be VERY rare

lol

[opal cairn]

its ok we have usefulzapgun

[hollow fable]

i'm going on a mission to kill this fucker rn

[opal cairn]

classic problem solver

config to disable it damaging players may be nice

possibly anyway

[sweet frigate]

In my case, setting it's atk cooldwon to be very quick, it'll just be an op thumper that almost never spawns so you won't necessarily have to worry about it affected normal gameplay. But when you do see it, #1 you get lucky cuz it'll almost never spawn and #2 it'll be the focus of that moon landing haha

If it didn't damage people then it woulldn't have anything to go off of

I'm pretty sure you can edit Spawn weight and max power for like each enemies in LQ so depending on how you config, you can further balance it through other mods

[opal cairn]

i think i said this before to you

but technically this is not true

since the fear effect would be indefinite until you leave the building or some how manage to get away from lasso

you wouldnt be able to tell
if youve looked at a bracken
if someone has ghost girl (without them ssying)
various things like that

plus, slightly harder to see

its an interesting idea for a support enemy

[sweet frigate]

Ghost girl fear is different and her fear audio is unique. The bracken is obvious, it's eyes are white. It's a red rope man, you'll know what you see haha.

I mean maybe support!

Lasso Restored is really just a placeholder for what could come by other modders

But atm it's just brought back with it's atk and other bugs fixed

plus if ghost girl doesn't spawn on that moon, then that idea would do nothing cuz she is the only thing affected by fear

[hollow fable]

the mod from MrHumble just straight up doesn't allow you to land on the moon lol

I would really apreciate if there was a basic config allowing to tweak maxAmount and spawnRarity

Apparently it's killable and has 3 health

[sweet frigate]

huh, did not know that it was killable

[hollow fable]

LQ says it's set killable by default

[sweet frigate]

ahh okok

[opal cairn]

let me do some tests

[sweet frigate]

you know you can spawn red pill through lq 😂

well you used to

idk about recent

[opal cairn]

ah yes

great fucking hitbox bro

[hollow fable]

anyways, if you do a future update i would like to suggest some sort of configs:
Max Amount, Spawn Rarity, Killable/Killable only with Knife, Stunnable

[opal cairn]

im pretty sure a knife kill is impossible without fixing their hitbox

the knife doesnt work like the shovel does

[hollow fable]

lol, you can jump through him

[opal cairn]

the shovel spawns an invisible sphere that damages monsters where it lands from being swung

the knife spawns a small pill-shaped thing at the front of the player's helmet

[sweet frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/shlummo-gif-12593332870838949781

[opal cairn]

this is why you have to crouch to kill thumpers with a knife and cant just aim downwards

[hollow fable]

💀

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[opal cairn]

so when killing
you cant aim for the ground cause the shovel cant reach from you standing
but it can barely reach lassos hitbox, so you have to strafe him by staying close enough to hit the hitbox and not take damage to it at the same time
still easier than killing thumpers though, fuck those things hitboxes

yeah no-hit kills arent that bad

[sweet frigate]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1398098204675018923
This thread is for discussions regarding the mod from now on. Just to not trouble Buttery that much

[opal cairn]

also since i mentioned it
just showing it can be done
and ngl, its actually fairly viable if you know how to well enough

[ruby jay]

holy moly that looks worse than I remember

[opal cairn]

pretty sure wesley made it look nicer in art gallery

cause yeah i also dont remember them like this

[ruby jay]

I just don't like the overall design of the mob

[trim breach]

i think it's very cool and i'd like to see it finished

i like the "pipe cleaner stick person" design

as it currently stands though it is not very interesting

it's literally just a buggy slower thumper

[jolly raven]

I'd love to push for adaptation eventually, maybe in-between big enemies idk

If it gets people's attention I'd love to open up a google forms where people can suggest ideas for what the enemy could do and then see which ones I like best

[livid plover]

give him a tether grab

[jolly raven]

Ideally it would have to be something on the simpler side, to reflect the fact that it's a pre-v50 enemy

[jolly raven]

yeah but then what would it do?

would be stationary? roaming? would it chase? would it function as area denial or as a walking trap of sorts where you gotta trigger it and avoid death to get through

there's a lot of ways to do the enemy really

[opal cairn]

there was a myth he would stick his lasso out from a vent as a trap instead of actually actively physically moving

[jolly raven]

I'd love to do that, but that's already what Diversity's walker does

I had my own idea for an adaptation way back when that connected to a different enemy idea

[livid plover]

when you get too far away from him he sends his arm real far out toward you, if he misses he goes on cooldown and resumes chasing but if he grabs you he drags you back to where he is and deals a lot of dmg

[jolly raven]

they were snare flea-like centipedes that hung around vents and grabbed you, they would pull you closer and closer and if you didn't manage to escape (there were a few, and I won't get into them all) it would suck you into the vent and kill you

but then we had this idea for a boss enemy that was a bunch of these all stuck together, kind of like a rat king

and that would be lasso man

but I also never followed up on it so that's that

could probably mesh the two ideas together? I don't really know

[jolly raven]

I feel like if you can easily mess it up around any corners it should be instakill

or there should be a bit more fighting back involved when it drags you closer, just for more interactability

[sweet frigate]

according to the wiki, there is somekidn of variable or something like that mentiones grabbing players

So I'm assuming it was what the bracken is now

[livid plover]

dragging could be similar to fox

[sweet frigate]

Could be a bit of it's current ai, fox/bracken, and something else

[jolly raven]

Yeah I mainly didn't push for the vent guy because of the fox already existing

[sweet frigate]

Whomever decides to do whichever direction, I look forward to any of it!

[meager estuary]

My vision for Lasso would be kinda like Snatchin Bracken, it drags you away without instantly killing you, and deals damage over time like Snare Flea

[opal cairn]

glow in the dark lasso man will appear in your ship nad be scary. and get bigger, and scarier, and brighter, and closer, and then kill you. you must click him 20 times to stop this.

[jolly raven]

reverse aloe

fuck yeah, that sounds great

lemme just reskin the aloe and put it in a separate mod upload

[worldly dew]

the lasoe, if you will

[untold sage]

He grabs the employee and pours milk on them and then slams them into walls

[jolly raven]

i love it

[summer falcon]

i think this is why in part the Lasso Man was never finished.

the "Obvious" route of completion for it (to me at least) feels like it would be in another room. and pull you using its lasso, and kidnap you.. which basically sounds like the bracken with a ranged weapon xD

I think what would be cool, but.. then starts sounding like a spider... is if the lasso man was shy like the bracken, didnt want to be seen, if they saw a player... they would run away (its just rope.. kinda vunerable, no?)

but, they could plant traps (like spider webs), but these "lasso traps" would basically bind you (like a spiders cocoon when your dead)

the only way out of the cocoon would be as follows..

1 - teleported back to the ship (instantly freed?)
2 - found by a player, who, if they have a weapon, can hit the trap which will break it off you allowing you to escape..
or.. 3... the only way lasso "would" kill you, is if lasso man found you in the trap, at which, they arent vunerable.. so, they strangle you to death.

its still then kinda a twist on the bracken and spider, a bit half way between... but, personally, i only add mobs to my profile that are "unique" (ie, have something different), and the fact the above idea would be a bit different (trapping, and survivable technically), its a unique enough that id want to use it personally.

[hollow fable]

actually

i know exactly what lasso man should look like

let me get something and i'll send it here

Vent Thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYx6WSjDGjg&t=1384s

[quiet rune]

@trim breach I'm getting name desyncs on the radar but everything else is working fine.

[trim breach]

this is a vanilla bug

[slate venture]

tworadarmaps

[radiant nymph]

Tbf we need a mod that fixes this bug outside of TwoRadarMaps imo

Lobby Control's patch for example doesn't work

[quiet rune]

?

I dont have that mod

[quiet rune]

can you fix it

[livid plover]

tworadarmaps fixes it

[quiet rune]

but then I would have two radars

[livid plover]

it's more convenient than you think especially if you pair it with TouchScreen

[quiet rune]

https://github.com/Zaggy1024/LC_TwoRadarMaps/blob/main/TwoRadarMaps/Patches/PatchVanillaBugs.cs

is it just this file

[thorn breach]

the tried and true reuploading other creators' mods because you dont wanna download their mods 🔥

[quiet rune]

I mean

its a MIT license

I will ask first though

is there a thread for two radar maps

[thorn breach]

Idk probably

[livid plover]

just send in the OBC thread

[thorn breach]

And yes its MIT but copy paste is still :/

[quiet rune]

what is the obc thread

[livid plover]

open body cams

[livid plover]

Does new update include the fix from V70PoweredLights_Fix?

[trim breach]

my fix should automatically apply to any tiles using the bugged light sources

so it should be more comprehensive

you definitely don't need both

[radiant nymph]

Crashed my game when loading a lobby @trim breach

I'll test if it's cus of PoweredLightsFix

[trim breach]

i just started playing with my friends and it does not crash

it might be an incompatibility with some interior you have installed

i can hotfix it with some better error handling but it will need to wait until im out of the game

[radiant nymph]

Yeah it's probably incompatible with Wesley's

Hmmmm

It looks like it's breaking Cruiser Improved

So the crash is cus the update is somehow exploding CruiserImproved

CruiserImproved is a problem child I swear

@subtle compass @formal crow Any idea why Cruiser Improved breaks after the update for Buttery Fixes?

[quartz ether]

because buttery fixes breaks other mods

due to exception

[radiant nymph]

Hmmm got ya

[trim breach]

yes

if roundmanager.awake is throwing an error

it will propogate errors to other things

i probably just need a null check for some interior

[slate rock]

When lethal phones is installed the camera grain effect ceases to work on the main menu

iv brought this issue up in the thread for lethal phones but i decided to mention it here too

[trim breach]

that doesnt make a ton of sense but okay

i will look into it

[slate rock]

its because it adds its own menu option i think

it also does the same thing to emblems experimental effects, completely disables them

but iv gone to the emblem thread itself for that since its unrelated

with

without

[trim breach]

oh it's probably the same issue as morecompany

[slate rock]

most likely

[trim breach]

morecompany broke the film grain effects because it added another camera for cosmetic customization

lethalphones has something similar for the phones

[jolly raven]

ah right, yeah

that makes sense

[slate venture]

This mod brings back the defaultlogo with all effects? https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DaXcess/NoMoreCompanyLogo/

[slate rock]

iv been aware of the issue for a while but its only till today I actually decided to look for what was causing it, didnt wanna bring it up without knowing what mod was the issue

since my pack

is

huge

[livid plover]

This just changes the logo back to lethal company

Afaik it doesn't remove the tab for cosmetics so it wont fix the problem

[slate rock]

I manually disabled the cosmetics tab + adding the nomorecompany logo mod and that fixes it specifcally for more company

but

unfortunately not for lethal phones

[trim breach]

did you confirm which interiors don't work

[radiant nymph]

No, I just know I have Wesley's and LC Office installed you probably should just add a null check

[slate venture]

Lc office is ok

[sweet frigate]

Doesn't seem like anyone mentioned it here yet, but I'm like 87% sure the new buttery update broke enemy spawns

[slate venture]

Idk about modded moons but vanilla moons are spawning.

[sweet frigate]

You sure, I'm pretty sure the only thing that updated recently was buttery

I'll check though

[opal cairn]

@trim breach you SUCK at coding, girl!!!!

[trim breach]

if you have an interior throwing an error with roundmanager.awake

then it's going to break enemy spawns

ive already fixed this and im posting a fix right now

[sweet frigate]

Thank you!

I was like dang, me and this other guy must be getting good at the game. Sike, turns out no enemies lol

[livid plover]

are the only interiors causing it from wesley's?

i don't run his interiors and the enemies are still spawning

[trim breach]

i dont know

i replicated the error with wesley's interiors

and the fix im pushing right now fixes it

[slate venture]

Lc Office was working

[feral roost]

im getting these errors trying to launch an existing save before my game just crashes, im guessing its related?

[graceful thorn]

I notice 2 issues for me with the .6 update:

• Crouching is permanently reducing run speed by a factor. More I crouch, slower my walk speed (I do have BetterStamina enabled and have staminaladder patch disabled)
• Clicking Exit game option in Pause menu doesn't do anything, so have to kill LC altogether to get out of game

[trim breach]

this is the bug i just fixed

[feral roost]

ah, alright

[trim breach]

Crouching is permanently reducing run speed by a factor. More I crouch, slower my walk speed (I do have BetterStamina enabled and have stamina patch disabled)
i am pretty confident nothing i changed in v1.14.6 would cause this

if you're using better stamina and have ladder sprinting enabled, make sure you disable the new "patch ladders" setting i just added

i no longer do auto-compat for that

but i doubt that would affect anything related to crouching or run speed

[graceful thorn]

I did. This is with it disabled

[trim breach]

does this still happen with 1.14.7

you can manually download and replace the DLL if your mod manager has not fetched it yet

otherwise it should be available in 30-40 minutes

[graceful thorn]

Oh ok, testing now

[ruby jay]

Has this not been fixed yet in morecompany?

I wish there was a good alternative for morecompany

More company seems to break so many things

[trim breach]

i fixed it on my side

because i knew "broken with morecompany" made the feature basically unusable

[ruby jay]

Through buttery fixes?

[trim breach]

yes

i can probably fix the lethalphones thing too

the same way

but i didnt do it in 1.14.7

i was most concerned about just fixing that crash with custom interiors

[ruby jay]

Could you perhaps fix the sap sucker not spawning bodies (allegedly) https://github.com/notnotnotswipez/MoreCompany/issues/125

Idk if that would be out of the scope of buttery fixes

[trim breach]

this is something morecompany should fix

the problem has to do with its patch for spawning cosmetics on dead bodies

if you disable that setting it might fix your issue? depends how morecompany is written

there's also a mod that changes the sapsucker to spawn default ragdolls instead

and that would fix the issue, at the cost of sacrificing the unique "ragdoll" from sapsuckers

[ruby jay]

Oh wait this was fixed already, the issue for it was just never closed https://github.com/notnotnotswipez/MoreCompany/pull/123#issuecomment-3101875191

[radiant nymph]

MoreCompany's issue has been fixed for ages, it's ModelReplacementAPI that has problems

[trim breach]

i thought so too

[livid plover]

MRAPI fixed the sapsucker issue on their end a while back

Basically stopped trying to apply a modelswap dead body if the cause of death was the sapsucker

[radiant nymph]

Ah

[graceful thorn]

Yep, it fixed both those issues, thanks! The ladder auto-compat should be in place though imo

[ashen bobcat]

is this fixed in the latest update?

[radiant nymph]

Yeah

[sweet frigate]

If I revert to a version of LC that had the Brown suit in it, like the anniversary one, will I be able to asset rip it from the files?

[trim breach]

yes

but it's the same as the file i've already sent you

just with compression artifacts (since it would be compressed when built, and then those compression artifacts can't be reverted when ripped and re-encoded to PNG)

[sweet frigate]

Ahh okok. Thank you again! I was just confused, putting that image through moresuits while having brown from your mod unlocked, side by side, one is slightly darker/brighter than the other

[sweet frigate]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1401927904648106025
Do you think this could be fixed in vanilla fixes?

I meant butteryfixes?

[trim breach]

meteor showers are broken and "i want to fix them" but i have no idea what's wrong and it's kind of annoying to test + it's such a rare event it usually doesnt come up when im playing with friends

[subtle compass]

can't provide much insight apart from the last part about them being rare https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/eigeen/SummonMeteorShower/

[livid plover]

Most common thing I know abt them is that their audio source is always active and reaches the max sound count easily

Turning off the audiosources until they get closer to the player

[trim breach]

well it's not like forcing them in a testing environment is impossible

it's just annoying setting up a testing session in lan and i have no clear reproduction steps for the desync issues with meteors

so i'd basically just be doing lan games over and over until something breaks

my most recent experience with meteor showers in multiplayer was [getting a meteor shower at 7:40 AM](#1336205534126407681 message) that only i could see happen (i was the host, friends got the warning but no meteors ever appeared)

but i didnt even find out it was broken until the end of the session when everybody asked me about it

[opal cairn]

wait are you referring to when they all crash down at once

[trim breach]

so i didnt really get any diagnostic information (not that i had any diagnostic tools installed on this profile anyway)

[opal cairn]

why must my internet suck

[trim breach]

i am familiar with this and it's "on the chopping block" for an ESF update but I have largely ignored the meteor showers mechanic because i still dont have a great understanding of it

it's not frequent enough in-game that I'm aware of "expected behavior"

[trim breach]

lunx has reported this before but i've never seen it

[trim breach]

and in this instance, nobody ever saw any meteors

im pretty sure we stayed until midnight as well

[opal cairn]

i have had this happen before

i think twice but maybe one time was instead a friend experiencing it

i know i have seen it at least once

where if a meteor shower happens really late

like 70 just crash down all at once

[subtle compass]

ic ic, misunderstood what you said then mb

[trim breach]

no you're good

lol

[radiant nymph]

Personally I think the desync issue got fixed in vanilla a while ago didn't it? The main issue now is the errors that spam and the fact they break audio badly

Like even if you have LCMaxSoundsFix maxed out they overload the audio channel and make a lot of sounds cut out which is just insane

I've had the Vanilla meteor showers completely disabled with RNGConfigurator for a while since they are just so broken

[opal cairn]

lcmaxsoundsfix doesnt have an option to make the limit as high as you want anymore

thats probably why it isnt helping

old version would probably

[radiant nymph]

It allows you to raise it to the same cap it always did

[slate venture]

I had this one where my friend didn't even have time to react

[opal cairn]

yeah

thats what happened to me

though it wasnt so early that the warning didnt even finish

[subtle compass]

LOL

I've never seen this happen before

[hollow fable]

Tomou um metoro na cara

[trim breach]

great

lmfao

[trim breach]

i dont think zeekerss has changed meteors at all since v64

[ruby jay]

I’ve still have never seen the meteor shows happen

I’ve probably played the game for a total of at least 100 hours since they were added

[hazy goblet]

I’ve installed a mod that lets you modify the chances of a meteor shower cuz they were a bit too rare

And they bring a fun challenge

[sweet frigate]

isn't there a problem where meteor showers just screw up audio ?

[jolly raven]

yes that's what they were just talking about in the last conversation

[slate venture]

I was playing with my friends and one of them had a little desync about the mansion lights.
In my modpack we were using True Darkness and I turned off my flashlight when we got close to some lamps and my friend said he couldn't see anything.
The three of us said there was light here and then he showed his screen with only the light from the fire exit.
We passed through the mansion's garden tile, and he said there was light there, and after that, all the lights came on for him.

[sweet frigate]

I have a question. Why is yesfox a dependecy for butteryrebalance? And does butteryrebalance have a config to turn off the apparatus price changes?

[slate venture]

its not a dependecy

[sweet frigate]

Mb, I just noticed that

[untold sage]

We have yesfox and nofox, but when is maybefox?

[feral roost]

onlysometimesfox

[untold sage]

So true

[slate venture]

Is there anything the moon doesn't have that prevent the fox from getting on the ship?

[sweet frigate]

Hey, I was wondering if you ever are interested in making a scrap based off of Ig yourself. In my modpack I have VERY rare items called developer scrap which are just nonvanilla scrap that rarely spawns as a thank/nod for mod creators. But I still can't find a good scrap for ButteryStancakes. You don't have to ofc, but it would be cool if you did! Anyways, I hope your day is going well

[feral roost]

stack of pancakes

[sweet frigate]

I want to but there isn't a pancake mod I could find 😭

[opal cairn]

theres a pancake item from one of the oneshot moons

refuge i believe

[sweet frigate]

I can't install a whole moon for one item. I'll keep looking. Beanie's will probably be the tungsten cube item since it's their own item made, sickboy will be pikachu, wesley will be webley spider, melanie will be the melanie plush, like there are a lot of cool items I could use for it. And making them rare mimics exactly what zeekers did with zeddog!

[trim breach]

unfortunately i am completely lacking in the digital art department so i cant really help you with this

sorry!

[slate venture]

The meteorshower is bugged just for modded moons right?

[jolly raven]

bugged in what way

[slate venture]

It will overrides all the sounds from the game while the event its hapenning.

[jolly raven]

it doesn't override all, just some and only sometimes

but this happens everywhere, not just modded moons

there's been talks about adressing this, but no progress

[untold sage]

Wouldn't maxsoundsfix patch this issue? Or is unity max sounds not the issue?

[jolly raven]

it helps but doesn't fix it afaik

[trim breach]

it makes the issue significantly "less bad"

the problem is that meteors spawn in huge numbers and each play like 3 audio sources

so they quickly eat up all of the channels in vanilla and basically mute everything

with lcmaxsoundsfix, there are more channels, but still enough meteors to occupy all of them when showers are really dense

so you still run into muting issues

it is just less severe

[slate venture]

Other thing why this just happen on multiplayer?

[trim breach]

the real fix is to make meteors use less channels, probably by muting them completely until they are close to players (and maybe reducing the number of audiosources in general)

[trim breach]

it is not unique to multiplayer, but with more players it is probably easier to hit the channel cap and notice issues

since you have more people making footsteps, having noisemaker items, aggroing enemies, etc.

[trim breach]

i have been sitting on an update for literally a month at this point

with these changes

• Entering the ship should now auto-collect all items in your inventory, not just what you're holding in your hand
• Tried to fix some desync between "most profitable" statistic when collecting scrap with the Cruiser
• Fixed "Items missed!" dropship message only displaying for host

i wanted to get some more testing on this change in multiplayer since i was a little worried it could cause edge case issues

but i havent had a great opportunity to try the changes with friends in a long while

i did try them out myself (other clients used old BF) for a session and didn't experience issues

but i was playing as the host and so i had the least likelihood of seeing problems (and couldnt even try the last change lol)

i might push it soon and just stick around in case i need to roll back or add configs to killswitch problematic changes

[subtle compass]

you could boot up two LAN sessions on your computer

[trim breach]

yeah i normally dont like doing that but it's easy to test the last 2 points

[subtle compass]

it's what i do when i have nobody to help me test something, which is about 99% of the time

[trim breach]

unfortunately i think it would be pretty difficult to guarantee point 1 won't cause issues just testing in LAN

im most worried about edge cases with that one

a sanity check on the other two would be possible though

[subtle compass]

curious about point two, how are you handling that one?

i have an idea on how i might be able to fix it on mine, but i'm curious about your implementation

[trim breach]

the problem stems from vanilla doing this ⬇️ in VehicleController.CollectItemsInTruck()

GameNetworkManager.Instance.localPlayerController.SetItemInElevator(this.magnetedToShip, this.magnetedToShip, component);

[subtle compass]

yup, i knew about that, i read about it in your post in the main discord a while ago haha

[trim breach]

ok perfect

anyways

all i do is replace the reference to localPlayerController to a function i made (using a transpiler)

any time someone gets into the driver seat for the cruiser it considers them "the most recent driver"

if the most recent driver is not null, the function passes them instead

otherwise it defaults back to local player

it's not a perfect solution but it is definitely "more correct" than vanilla

and worst case, it would just have the same desync vanilla already does

if you have a better solution in mind, and i cause issues with yours, i can add auto-compat or a killswitch to the config

[subtle compass]

ic, for mine i'm just going to save a reference of the last driver and if it's not null use that, if not default to the localPlayerController or the host, i doubt it would be null unless they left but i'll add a fallback just incase

[trim breach]

i make a bunch of (honestly kind of assumptious) judgment calls in this mod just because nobody else has defined better before

[subtle compass]

i run my own function do not worry lol

the only base game function i use is Awake

[trim breach]

but i am always around to make compromises because im aware that sort of design is likely to cause issues lol

[trim breach]

well, the offer is on the table, just in case some sort of problems arise

but it sounds like you should be fine then yeah

[subtle compass]

if you really wanted you could add a vehicleid check, but i only see it being a problem if:
someone uses the vanilla collect items function
but runs entirely new functions for setting players in vehicles (assuming this is where you set the last driver)

[trim breach]

one second

[HarmonyPatch(nameof(VehicleController.LateUpdate))]
[HarmonyPostfix]
static void VehicleController_Post_LateUpdate(VehicleController __instance)
{
    if (__instance.currentDriver != null && GlobalReferences.lastDriver != __instance.currentDriver && !__instance.magnetedToShip)
        GlobalReferences.lastDriver = __instance.currentDriver;
}

this is apparently what it's doing right now

[subtle compass]

though even then it would default to the localplayercontroller

[trim breach]

i made these changes so long ago i dont remember why i opted out of using the function that sets currentDriver

that was what i did first, but i must've had some problem with doing it that way

cant remember now

[subtle compass]

you'd need to do it on the local client function, client rpc and serverrpc

[trim breach]

oh i think it's because i anticipated an issue if:

1. player A drives the car on to the magnet and collects a bunch of scrap
2. player B gets into the seat
3. magnet gets turned off

that would cause player B's scrap value to drop significantly (most likely into the negatives) and player A would be unaffected

so i needed to add the magnet check, and then it would have issues if you got into the seat before the magnet was disabled

possible i could optimize this just by checking the driver when the seat is used and when the magnet is toggled

depending on order-of-operations

[subtle compass]

hmm, i see

i'll probably do something similar to your implementation then with it running in LateUpdate, i need to rework some of my functions for setting players in vehicles first though before I do that haha

[mellow umbra]

Hey buttery, there seems to be an issue with the newly added Egg scrap that happens whenever playing in modded, although no idea which seems to cause it.
But basically the animation of the baby screaming gets cut off and stops playing for just the baby idling, and nothing else even though the baby is screaming, and also when dropped it'll stop screaming after sometime.
This glitch is client sided so i always get it in vanilla lobbies to happen to me, and if the baby stops screaming the bird doesn't go to get it himself in some situations which is just game breaking.

[trim breach]

is this a vanilla bug

because if so it's probably related to vanilla's buggy "test mode" that both the sapsucker and eggs have

zeekerss left in some code he was using to test them that activates only if a sapsucker (or the eggs) spawn while the ship is in orbit

and for the host that is totally fine

but clients still consider the game "in orbit" until the ship's doors open, and the sapsucker and eggs both spawn at the very start of a day

so with netlag it can cause that test mode to activate in real games and it causes errors and undesirable behavior

eggs are supposed to stop screaming when they go into orbit (because their nest would despawn in doing so)

so if the eggs spawn for a client in "ship phase" it causes the egg to mistakenly believe it left the planet already on that client

i fixed the test mode issue for the sapsucker but the eggs still have problems i havent resolved yet

[jolly raven]

the bird is also just majorly fucked and desynced and spits red errors at clients a lot of the time for me, unsure if this is a vanilla thing or if adding the sap sucker to modded moons just causes em to shit the bed

[jolly raven]

zeekerss....please bro

[mellow umbra]

it's not, people around me didn't

when i was the only guy with mods in the lobby, it kept on screaming for them, while it didn't for me

[trim breach]

i would need to see those errors to know for sure

but the sapsucker's test mode does cause error spam in certain circumstances

for example, when the sapsucker is in "test mode", it searches for the sapsucker nest in a different function than normal

that search just finds the first enemy nest and immediately assigns it as the sapsucker's nest

which can cause it to "adopt" a dormant old bird or baboon nest as a sapsucker nest because it doesnt check at all

that search also doesn't assign the "bird nest ambience" in the bird's script

so later in Update() the bird is like "oh we already have a nest, we dont need to search for it again"

and then it's just permanently missing ambience and treats the wrong nest as its own

which causes error spam in Update()

[jolly raven]

don't think I can find em anymore, it was a while back that it happened but I can try and push for a game session today to force that to happen

[trim breach]

i will say

this mod should fix test mode errors with the bird

so unless you were playing before i updated

the errors might not have been related

but i do know for a fact that both the sapsuckers and eggs have a ton of bugs related to inShipPhase and so it's not a bad initial guess that any errors you see are related to that core issue

[jolly raven]

gotcha

[jolly raven]

I only play w butteryfixes sometimes cuz I like to spam hairdryers (not to anyone I just like to do it as a stim by myself), my main pack doesn't have it for example

forgot what pack I was using at the time tho

[ruby dagger]

Isn't there a mod that bypasses this ButteryFixes restriction

I forgot the name though

[jolly raven]

MY COMPUTER JUST FUCKING TURNED OFF

[ruby dagger]

Fail

[jolly raven]

i hate having wheels on my desk I need to rip these off bro

[ruby dagger]

Found it; NoUseCooldowns is the name

[jolly raven]

yeah but it removes use cooldowns for a lot of other things too

and use cooldowns are a thing for some of the items butteryfixes changes

[ruby dagger]

Like?

[jolly raven]

they're just not as long as butteryfixes' added cooldown

the airhorn for example

[ruby dagger]

What was changed about the airhorn to warrant the cooldown?

[jolly raven]

no I mean some of the vanilla items already have use cooldowns

they're just not super long which leads to them being spammed a ton

so butteryfixes extends those use cooldowns

but anyway I ain't tryina get into that

[jolly raven]

point is I'll add butteryfixes to that pack tonight and see if it still happens

the errors were being spammed as far back as early August

[eternal lantern]

I’m sensitive to sound so I’m really glad ButteryFixes fixes those cool-downs on some of the items

Even if it’s not generally liked since it’s subjectively funny to be able to spam something like a clownhorn or airhorn, it’s a really good change.

[ruby dagger]

If it was optional, I would've agreed with you

But, it isn't, so

[livid plover]

Yeah it being forced was an objection I had when it released

[ruby dagger]

It almost feels like a slap in the face; it's either you play how Buttery wants you to, or you don't use the bugfix mod at all

[livid plover]

Imo it is dumb to lump a subjective change in with a bunch of objective fixes but idk

[jolly raven]

it's a good change, just wish it was optional lol

i don't want to forgo a really good bugfix mod just because it takes away my autism catalyst

but that's on me ig

que

[ruby dagger]

I really wouldn't say it's just on you

https://tenor.com/view/pūkeko-damn-bird-baby-chick-gif-15318900613146393132

[slate venture]

It's a bug fix since it wasn't intended by Zeekers

[jolly raven]

yeah but its fuuuun thoough

whatever i'm gonna stop bitching that's not what I was here for LOL

[trim breach]

i wont deny that it is partly subjective but the hairdryer is objectively a fix

the inconsistent cooldowns for items bugs me about as much as changing the cooldowns bothers some of you, i imagine

i understand that it is a pain point for some but it is not such a demanding change that i think it warrants being configurable

there's also the fact a mod exists on thunderstore to remove the item cooldowns completely (which cites my mod as one of the reasons it exists, but it also changes a bunch of cooldowns i didnt even touch, so)

[trim breach]

if this being unconfigurable is a reason people dont use my mod, then that is fine, people will choose to use what they choose to use

but from a design standpoint the entire purpose of this mod is for me to lump in general changes i want to make without having to publish a bunch of separate mods

and there's nowhere else it makes sense for me to put item cooldown changes

i try to limit the config to specifically major balance changes or compatibility settings because it would be massive and unwieldy if it included the ability to toggle all the changes i make

and i dont think the cooldowns fall into either of those categories

[trim breach]

again, i understand that is maybe an unpopular approach to take, but it is the principle i've chosen to design around anyway

this mod, more than anything else i have made, is just "changes i want to incorporate into play sessions with my friends" that are being provided at-large in case others want to use them

i feel a lot better making my other mods (like mask fixes, jetpack fixes, chameleon, etc.) more customizable because they are a lot more focused and specialized

or butterybalance which is only subjective changes (although the config there is terrible and way too big, it is a necessary evil, and i knew going in that it would be...)

if i had the hindsight, i would've probably titled this mod "butterytweaks" now, but instead i will just complain for the 100th time that thunderstore doesnt let you rename packages

[blissful zephyr]

hey buttery

[trim breach]

i dont want to talk about granny, sorry

[blissful zephyr]

oh ok

alr

[opal cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/bat-baby-gif-20530984

[ruby dagger]

Ain't no way

[blissful zephyr]

lmao

[jolly raven]

this is okay

i will just NOT use your mod >:))))

(im kidding obviously)

[trim breach]

sorry, i don't mean to be rude or dismissive, i just don't feel comfortable talking about my plans/the granny community right now

my DMs are open in this server for queries about lethal company (or LC mods)

[trim breach]

yes

all of that being said

i am probably just being unrealistically stubborn about this

[blissful zephyr]

its fine, ok

[jolly raven]

probably

but it's your right to be

[trim breach]

in the next update i added a setting to disable any of the bestiary changes i made

which is not a balance change or compatibility setting

[jolly raven]

just sucks the mod that fixes the issue is also just way too lenient with what cooldowns to turn off, but the monkey's paw will always curl

[jolly raven]

wait you made bestiary changes?

[opal cairn]

the nutcrackers and old birds bestiary entries are messed up in vanilla

its questionable if the nutcracker was intentional or not, but zeekerss literally removed all valuable information of how they work

[jolly raven]

huh

i mean

[opal cairn]

the old bird was messed up because zeekerss had to remove sigurd related stuff about it

[jolly raven]

i would imagine that was on purpose

how do you fucking do that even

by accident i mean

[jolly raven]

that's not it being messed up tho, that's just redacting unwanted info

[opal cairn]

no he took out a chunk unrelated to sigurd

by mistake

[jolly raven]

also wasn't the OB thing in a single beta and then taken out of when v50 dropped

[opal cairn]

and it just has a weird cutoff

[trim breach]

changed 3 things:

1. zeekerss randomly deleted the part of the nutcracker's entry that explains its mechanics in v50, i added it back
2. zeekerss removed a paragraph of the old birds' text, but accidentally(?) left in half of a sentence so you can literally see where the text just. stops.
3. zeekerss removed sigurd from the old bird entry, which makes sense, because he causes a timeline error. but that timeline error still exists in the vain shroud entry, so i add it back only if you have the vain shrouds

#3 is a little bit silly but i just like sigurd's text

[jolly raven]

I feel like n1 and 2 are totally on purpose

there's no way he didn't realize he left half a sentence

[trim breach]

maybe but i think #1 is just a terrible change

[jolly raven]

ye true

[trim breach]

The guardians of the house.

They watch with one tireless eye, which only senses movement; It remembers the last creature it noticed, whether they are moving or not.
🔽
The guardians of the house.

nutcracker entry in v50

he removed the entire thing in the same update where he added extra info to the jester's page explaining its mechanics

i dont know if it's intentional or not but the entry is completely useless in its current form

[ruby dagger]

What was added to the jester's page?

[jolly raven]

yeah I remember this

miraheze still displays the 1st one for some reason

no record of it being changed

[trim breach]

Sigurd's danger level: 90% Get out o fthere before it goes APE!! You cant hide from it, just evacuate.
🔽
Sigurd's danger level: 90% Get out o fthere before it goes APE!! You cant hide from it, just evacuate. i think it goes back in its box if everyone stays outside long enough

[ruby dagger]

Oh, neat

[trim breach]

as for the old birds

The subject of who developed the Old Birds has been an intense debate since their first recorded appearance on December 18 of 2143, when over fifty Old Birds invaded the Anglen Capital. This is considered one of the first major causes for the downfall of the Anglen Empire. The most commonly upheld theory takes into account the tension between the Anglen and Buemoch military throughout the 2100's, however nothing has been proven in the centuries since. The design of the Old Bird, down to the tempering of metals, appears intended to conceal its origin. It has been called the "walking ransom letter."
🔽
The subject of who developed the Old Birds has been an intense debate since their first recorded appearance on December 18 of 2143, when a large number of Old Birds invaded the

[ruby dagger]

?? How do you fuck that up

[jolly raven]

yeah there's no way he fucked that up

[trim breach]

also i might be misremembering but im pretty sure this text was removed after sigurd's stuff was removed, in a second update

[jolly raven]

that's just 100% intentional, evne if it's a weird change

[trim breach]

maybe

i really think it was an accident

similar things have happened in the game's history, like when v55 randomly increased experimentation's power level from 4 to 14

[ruby dagger]

For.. what reason? Lore change? Keeping humanity's whereabouts in LC's universe even more of a secret?

[trim breach]

who knows why or how this happened but it was reverted in v56 and zeekerss said it wasnt intentional

[trim breach]

to me this feels like a typographical error, where he was changing "over fifty Old Birds" to "a large number of Old Birds" and then accidentally deleted the paragraph afterwards

or he intended to delete the entire paragraph and mis-selected the text

i dont know

[jolly raven]

i mean he probably didn't know if he wanted to include that extra lore about the anglen empire and the buemoch military

[trim breach]

in any case all of these changes are definitely subjective and because it's lore-related i think it's probably too heavy handed for me to just be flippantly changing things

[jolly raven]

but he liked the idea

so he just kind of

redacted it so he could figure out what he wanted to do later

[trim breach]

which is why i implemented the setting

[jolly raven]

atleast thats what I think happened

it also adds a bit of spookiness to the entry

like there's something someone doesn't want you to know

[trim breach]

sorry to get majorly off topic but the point im trying to make is that i am already caving to adding some toggles for contentious subjective changes

so maybe i should just add an item cooldown config* and stop being so stubborn

[ruby dagger]

Yeah, it's kind of weird something as niche as the bestiary restorations has a toggle over cosmetic gameplay changes like the noisemaker cooldowns

[trim breach]

well fuck it

i'll just implement this

[ruby dagger]

Or Phuket...

[trim breach]

i was most afraid of the slippery slope of "can you make xyz change configurable next"

but tbf i think the only thing that's stirred up this much controversy is the item cooldowns anyway

all of the other times this discussion happened stuff got fixed in vanilla immediately anyway

[ruby dagger]

Oh my god, I just realized that the moon with a name that sounds like, "Fuck it," has 69 as its discovery number

Absolute cinema

[jolly raven]

i will personally never ask for anything ever again i assure you of that

[trim breach]

i made old birds unkillable with the cruiser because it was a totally busted interaction in v56, then that got backlash so i made it a config setting, then zeekerss fixed it in v60

[jolly raven]

sniper mentioned

[jolly raven]

LOL

[ruby dagger]

Imagine this motherfucker comes out and fixes the item cooldowns himself in the next update, I'm actually gonna explode irl if that happens

[jolly raven]

i mean if you're preventing an interaction that 100% of the time leads to a bug then i think that's fine

[trim breach]

one time there was even an argument about whether meteor showers are supposed to turn corpses into masked corpses (zeekerss inputted a "6" where he should have put a "5", so it spawned masked corpses instead of burnt corpses)

that got fixed in vanilla in v70 btw

anyways

[ruby dagger]

That was instigated by me because I thought it had cool lore implications

But then Zeekerss SHUT IT ALL DOWNNNNNNNNN

[jolly raven]

same LOL

but i was kinda like

50/50

it sounds like a zeekism

but it would be cool for lore

apple

but also it's now 100% a zeekism

[trim breach]

well if im being honest i'd rather have a discussion about it than everybody be afraid of asking for things

[jolly raven]

super fucking noble

but also no yeah I didn't mean like

[trim breach]

i know that i am 100% not blameless here

[jolly raven]

I would never be vocal about any feature in this ever again

[trim breach]

i died on this hill for a long time but i dont like that it is continuing to stir upset

[jolly raven]

more so like I wouldn't specifically request a feature or a fix or a config for stuff like dat

[trim breach]

and i think it is for the better that i swallow my pride and add this feature that is a common request

[jolly raven]

im sorry that I kept it going for this long 🥺

[trim breach]

i'd stll like to minimize the size of the config but 1-2 settings every now and again isn't painful

[jolly raven]

sorry if it caused you any stress or anything like that

[trim breach]

lol that's not what i mean

[ruby dagger]

Swallow your pride?

[trim breach]

it is hard for me to tell when it is reasonable for me to push back so hard vs. when i just have my head up my ass

so

anyways it doesnt matter

i will add an item cooldown setting in the next version

[jolly raven]

that is sicknasty and awesome

[trim breach]

snoozer

[ruby dagger]

The noisemakers are finally coming out of their fever

They will be uncongested once more

[ruby dagger]

Honk shoo mimimimi

[trim breach]

maybe i will push the update today

i still havent gotten around to testing if this

• Entering the ship should now auto-collect all items in your inventory, not just what you're holding in your hand
  breaks all of the shit

maybe i ought to just add an experimental setting and leave it off by default

so i can at least be confident i wont destroy the game

by dropping this

[ruby dagger]

Sorry to be a bitch but I personally don't know how to feel about this
I feel like being able to confirm that you've brought an item aboard the ship is a pretty nice thing to have

[trim breach]

well, everything is still the same

vanilla just has this weird latency where it only shows the popup for the item in your hand

and then the other items pop up as collected when you scroll through your inventory

[ruby dagger]

Oh, so this is its intended behavior?

[trim breach]

or sometimes it pops up as collected only after you drop it

it's really inconsistent and bizarre

[jolly raven]

I don't get this when I drop em one by one tho, which is strange

[trim breach]

what this means is that if you are holding 4 pieces of scrap

when you walk into the ship

[jolly raven]

or do I have to leave the ship and come back in w the other item in hand?

[trim breach]

all 4 pop up immediately

3 at the same time, and then the 4th would be on a "second page"

[trim breach]

im not entirely sure

like i said it doesnt seem to have 100% consistent behavior

[jolly raven]

the evil fucking ship item scanner

[trim breach]

sometimes it'll pop up just by scrolling through, other times it doesn't pop up until the item is dropped

the fix i made works as expected in singleplayer

and it feels nice and responsive

[ruby dagger]

Lol, Zeekerss' code is fucking non-euclidian from what it seems

[trim breach]

im just worried because in multiplayer, i'm not sure if everybody's inventory is 100% synchronized all the time

and so you might see inconsistent results on your screen when other players walk into the ship while carrying stuff

[trim breach]

and there's definitely too many edge cases for me to figure this all out in lan

[jolly raven]

yea I think you could push it out as experimental

either that or release it as on by default

and then have it brick everyone's game

and then you'll 100% get bug reports

[trim breach]

lol

[jolly raven]

tro

[trim breach]

to be completely fair i dont think it'll brick anyone

although maybe it wont play nice with inventory mods like reserved slots

the worst i think could happen is that you might have desync where a player dropped a bolt in the building but the server still thinks they're carrying that bolt

[jolly raven]

reserved slots is usually for tools tho, right?

or can you use that for scrap too, i havent used it in a bit

[trim breach]

so when they board the ship, everyone will see "this bolt got collected" and it might not despawn at the end of the day

[jolly raven]

ahhh gotcha

[trim breach]

im just "hopeful" because im pretty sure this sort of desync would cause other issues way sooner

like, there's the "ghost items" bug where some people see stuff on the floor but they can't pick it up

because it's actually in someone else's inventory and it just didn't sync properly

if that ghost items bug happens it might cause incorrect behavior with the collect popup as well

but the collect popup is clientside so as long as the host has the correct information, it shouldnt have any gameplay effects

[jolly raven]

Alright I did play a sesh yesterday and didn't encounter any bug or desync with the sapsucker using butteryfixes

so that's p much guaranteed fixed I suppose? the testing wasn't super extensive but we did separate the sapsucker from the next, aggroed it a bunch and had it kill us and chase us so

probably fixed

!!!

no red errors from it except for a single animation error when the ship left I think

[mellow umbra]

funny birb

[trim breach]

i think tomorrow i will release the update and just stick around in case i need to hotfix anything desperately

it's already been almost a week since i last talked about it

friends havent been playing lethal recently so i havent really been dedicating much time to it

[trim breach]

i will try to actually push the update tomorrow

i wanted to fix this extremely minor nitpicky bug and i was busy elsewhere up until now

since i've been removed from the scene for a little bit i want to make sure im around and active when the update is pushed, just in case it needs emergency changes

[jolly raven]

oh what is it?

[opal cairn]

im pretty sure their scannodes have an extra bit on the left in vanilla, which is not meant to be there

iirc blue scannodes have that

and its meant to only be them

[trim breach]

bee hives and eggs say "VALUE" instead of "Value"

[opal cairn]

oh

ok

[jolly raven]

oh that's so strange

never noticed that

funky

[trim breach]

i have pushed v1.15.0

please yell at me if i broke something

ill be around watching this channel and my pings

[radiant nymph]

I'm not even seeing it on Thunderstore yet

lol

[trim breach]

i think everything will be fine, i just usually test these updates for a couple sessions in multiplayer before i push them and havent had an opportunity to play with friends for this one

oh i didnt click the button

[radiant nymph]

[trim breach]

you should be seeing it now

[radiant nymph]

Who talked you into this?

LOL

[opal cairn]

adjust cooldowns on what

[trim breach]

idk i probably got like 5 or 6 different people up in arms about it

[opal cairn]

oh wait right

i remember now

[radiant nymph]

Things like the Hair Dryer, Plushie Pajama Man, etc

[trim breach]

it was really easy to add a toggle for it and i figured i was just being unreasonable about it

so i caved

if i wanted to be really mean i'd make it host-enforceable but meh

just tell your friends to be nice about it

[opal cairn]

next youll have adjective demanding a toggle for the experimentation stone wall fix

[radiant nymph]

I mean do people even notice that fix?

[trim breach]

and then somebody will ask me to remove the Experimentation Restored Underground Treasure Chest

[opal cairn]

the abandoned underground treasure chest from granny the abandoned spider sewer cellar

[trim breach]

idk i asked like two months ago if anybody would be mad if i fixed it

[slate venture]

This people want to scare baboon hawks faster?

[trim breach]

and everybody who responded said they either dont care or were fine with it

i expected more pushback

but nobody had issues with it so i did it

Lol

[radiant nymph]

Yeah I've seen the change and I don't really see why anybody would be upset

[opal cairn]

well
its funny

thats it

[trim breach]

it is funny

[opal cairn]

in practice it doesnt alter how fast you get to fire

[trim breach]

having to walk around the pillar makes reaching fire exit take a little longer with "optimal pathing 🎸"

[opal cairn]

its just a silly thing

[trim breach]

but you can also use it as a shortcut to avoid fall damage when you're going back to ship

so i think it all just kind of evens out

[trim breach]

people just really like spamming the hairdryer

personally it really bothers me

not even because the sound is annoying (i think it's funny) but the fact that you can literally hear the hairdryer turn on/off in the sound makes spamming it kind of immersion breaking

and im a huge stickler for immersion

[opal cairn]

its ok, we can now spam webley

[trim breach]

but ultimately it's just kind of silly and harmless and there's no reason i should be such a bitch about it

[opal cairn]

maybe

[trim breach]

so there you go

[radiant nymph]

LMAO I'm pretty sure it's one of the few cases where Zeekerss chose funny over immersion

If it wasn't intended he'd have fixed it himself

[trim breach]

there's a decent chance he's unaware or just keeps forgetting to fix it

[radiant nymph]

That is also true

[trim breach]

but i say "decent chance" because the hairdryer spam is also like, the #1 thing everybody tries to do the first time they find one

so i'd be surprised if he was completely clueless

[trim breach]

im guilty of this too

that's not a jab at anybody

:p

[opal cairn]

the bit dies quickly tbh