Buttery Fixes

[radiant nymph]

I'm thinking it's a vanilla issue

[trim breach]

i am almost certain it would be

yeah

[radiant nymph]

You think it's fixable?

[trim breach]

well this is still true

[radiant nymph]

I've been disabling so many mods trying to locate it

lol

[trim breach]

without knowing what was happening before it broke

what it was doing while it was broken

[radiant nymph]

but it must be Vanilla

[trim breach]

when it broke

[radiant nymph]

It errors on ship land for the client

like the second it starts landing

[trim breach]

it would be like throwing a dart while blindfolded at a spinning target and hope you hit a bullseye

[thorn breach]

i got this

should be easy to do that

[radiant nymph]

I was wondering if some debug tool might make debugging the exception easier

[trim breach]

if you are experiencing this i would be nearly certain it's a mod issue though

this has never happened for me

idk though

[radiant nymph]

I've disabled so many mods and it still repros

LOL

According to 1A3

Maybe something for EnemySoundFixes to patch?

lol

[radiant nymph]

Pure vanilla issue

This also makes it so the client can't be killed

Reprod it in basically a pure Vanilla profile

I only had these lol, so unless it's something with AiFix or SoftMaskKiller it's gotta be vanilla

@cloud sorrel Perhape you could double check it's nothing with AiFix? I'm pretty certain this issue is just a Vanilla Bug that needs to be reported in Zeekerss' Discord

[trim breach]

i have not run ai fix in any of the v7x versions

and i've also never replicated this issue before

[cloud sorrel]

I'm in a different state until Monday night, but if no one has figured it out by then I can try to take a look at it

[trim breach]

if it's repro'ing as "you land and immediately start getting errors in update()" it's not a vanilla bug

[trim breach]

not to say it's definitely ai fix

but i would turn it off and try again

and see

it is definitely a contender

[cloud sorrel]

It certainly could be, since I really just threw on a bandaid fix for the v70 update lol

[radiant nymph]

I'm also thinking it could be cus of SoftMaskKiller

[cloud sorrel]

Test it out and report back, soldier 🫡

[radiant nymph]

Not AiFix

I really think it's a vanilla problem

@trim breach

I think sometimes the nest is just spawned immediately cus it's a Daytime Enemy

[trim breach]

well if the bird nest doesnt exist

[radiant nymph]

the nest definitely spawns, but the ambience seems to be what is null on clients

[trim breach]

it would return here

and both get set at the same time

which would mean there has to be

1. an EnemyAINestSpawnObject on the map
2. that nest needs to be tagged for sapsuckers
3. that nest needs to not have an audio source attached on the frame it gets fetched by the clients

the prefab for the bird's nest has the ambience audio source attached to it

doesn't make sense how the prefab could spawn but not have an audiosource

[radiant nymph]

Well if it's not Vanilla one of these breaks it, and we know it's not AiFix

[trim breach]

well at this point i agree with you it's probably a problem in vanilla

[radiant nymph]

Yeah

[trim breach]

it should be really easy to launch a 100% vanilla profile and check

well

vanilla + bepinex if you want the console i guess

but even vanilla should be fine because it'd dump all this shit in the player.log

it just doesnt make any sense how this could even happen

[radiant nymph]

I used Imperium just to route to Calypso since it has a guaranteed chance to spawn it, but I also got the errors on Vow before

[radiant nymph]

What I could probably do for pure Vanilla is use LethalQuantities to inject a higher spawn chance for the enemy on Vow

so I don't have to rng it

[opal cairn]

does LLL mess the log up?

that would be simpler

[radiant nymph]

Oh true

I was just gonna do LQ since LLL patches some stuff though

which at this point it shouldn't affect the Kiwi though

With just LLL, FixPluginTypes, and LethalModDataLib I'm not getting a repro

Is it LethalLib...?

LMAO is it somehow HookGenPatcher?

Wait no that is here

[thorn breach]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[radiant nymph]

Okay so this issue is rng then

WHAT THE FUCK

Gonna also test Adamance cus we reprod it breaking on there

Something is so fucky with this enemy

lol

I need to test these being added now, cus it reprod with Imperium

I believe this issue is just rng

lovely

Okay well I am at the point that it's hard to repro on Vanilla Moons but it repros consistently on Calypso

@daring tiger Any ideas?

[opal cairn]

its guaranteed to be on calypso?

like, its the only monster that can spawn there?

[radiant nymph]

Yeah the error happens every land on Calypso for me

[opal cairn]

for daytime power

[radiant nymph]

the monster is also a basically guaranteed spawn

I think I only didn't see it spawn 1 time

We had it break on Adamance once but I think the chance for the nest to spawn with null ambience for the client is much more rare on Vanilla moons

@thorn breach Maybe we need a nest fix but for the Kiwi

[daring tiger]

Testing with strictly dependencies yields no errors in my testing.

[radiant nymph]

The error happens on client

not host

I ran lan with 2 clients

[daring tiger]

I don't know what to tell you then.

[radiant nymph]

It's frustrating because I wish I knew the root cause of this

lol

It mentions the item parent for the egg is null before the NRE spam

This is also interesting

[radiant nymph]

I will mention that one time when I saw this spamming on a client the nest was above a ladder and the Kiwi was stuck guarding a fire exit door below it

[trim breach]

oh

i see what the problem is

@radiant nymph @eternal thorn if the bird is instantiated while inShipPhase is true

the bird does this

if (StartOfRound.Instance.inShipPhase)
{
    Debug.Log("Giant kiwi has detected the game is in test mode.");
    if (this.birdNest == null)
    {
        this.birdNest = Object.FindObjectOfType<EnemyAINestSpawnObject>().gameObject;
        this.agent.enabled = false;
        base.transform.position = this.birdNest.transform.position;
        base.transform.rotation = this.birdNest.transform.rotation;
        this.agent.enabled = true;
    }
}

[radiant nymph]

Oh wow

I wonder how easy this is to fix

[trim breach]

inShipPhase is still true for clients up until the ship doors open

[radiant nymph]

Cus it does also happen on vanilla moons but it's much more rare

This makes sense

[trim breach]

it gets set to false immediately for the host once the lever is pulled

so the bird still thinks it's in "test mode" for clients

because it would spawn before the ship starts to land (similar to bees, it can only spawn during the initial spawn wave)

[radiant nymph]

I wonder would LandFromOrbit or something like LobbyImprovements fix this?

Idk if they patch this

[trim breach]

if then, there is a nest on the map that is not a sapsucker nest (either a dormant old bird or a baboon hawk nest), it can pull the reference to that nest

which would cause birdNest to point to something that's not a sapsucker nest

and then the GetComponent<AudioSource>() would fail

[radiant nymph]

So it's a Zeekerss oversight

[trim breach]

because old birds and baboons do not have audio sources attached to their nest

[trim breach]

yes

[radiant nymph]

Well at least you got something now that can make this fixable

and you can bug report this

[trim breach]

yes, i should be able to fix this

[thorn breach]

Rejoice, ur time was not wasted, surprisingly

For the most part anyway

[radiant nymph]

I've been spending all this time til I got to a fucking pure vanilla profile reproing it

Lmao

[trim breach]

on top of this

the host would normally spawn a bird nest and immediately overwrite the cached value

but they have a line of code blocking them from doing that if "test mode" is happening

[radiant nymph]

So I take it the fix is having clients sync up with the host?

[trim breach]

so the only reason hosts are immune is just because "ship phase" (in orbit) ends earlier for hosts

than it does for other clients

[trim breach]

the fix is just not running any of this code

[radiant nymph]

Ah yeah fair

I'm surprised Zeekerss accidentally left this in

[trim breach]

im pretty sure it only exists for zeekerss to manually place a bird nest in the debug room and then spawn a sapsucker into it with the debug menu

[radiant nymph]

Probably

[trim breach]

because normally the bird nest gets generated on an AI node based on the random seed

but the random seed wouldn't be set on day 1 of a new save, and no AI nodes would exist in orbit

so if he wanted to spawn it in the debug room (which only works properly in ship phase) he'd need to add this extra stuff

[trim breach]

that being said

rather than writing a transpiler and breaking all of this stuff

in case someone is making use of this "test mode" shenanigans

i'd probably just use a postfix to clear birdNest again if the bird:

1. is running Start() on anybody except the host
2. birdNest exists but the audio source connected to it is null

[trim breach]

then it would be properly fetched in Update() again

[radiant nymph]

Yeah that will likely be a good fix

I'm just glad we finally isolated it lol

Been driving me crazy

😆

At least this means we'll get a ButteryFixes update tonight though hopefully

[eternal thorn]

Tbf I did see that but I skipped it cuz I thought the bird would spawn late enough for it to not be an issue

[trim breach]

ok late but im confirming that i'm seeing this

this is a problem with MRAPI though

my code is definitely running (it prints a debug log and everything)

which means that MRAPI is going in and undoing my changes

even just having MRAPI installed (and not using any model replacements) seems to prevent my changes from sticking

what's weird is that MRAPI is doing basically the exact same thing im doing, here

meaning the shadow shouldn't even show up in the first place if you use MRAPI on its own

so I'm gonna call this an MRAPI issue and move on, probably

sorry

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach Any eta on that fix for the bird? ;o

[trim breach]

it's already done

idk when i will publish it

[radiant nymph]

I was hoping to play with it on stream today, I guess I'll add a mod that disables the bird for now or just avoid playing on moons that have it

[quiet rune]

whats wrong with the bird?

[paper garden]

spams errors when attacking clients(?)

[radiant nymph]

The issue is clients get set in test mode for it pretty much

[paper garden]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-usando-óculos-olhando-julgando-sério-judging-gif-1265955993997475896

amazing

[trim breach]

well i got an answer for the question i was waiting on

so i can go ahead and push now

it's untested though, i just feel pretty confident it'll resolve your issue

[radiant nymph]

Yippee

[radiant nymph]

Really need that fix for the Sapsucker lol

[ruby dagger]

What fix? What's wrong with them?

[opal cairn]

apparently clients experience it in testing mode

[radiant nymph]

Yeah got it on Bozoros right now

it kills the gameplay entirely

I'm at the point where I hate this bird's existence

[livid plover]

clients don't count as "landed" until the doors open, sapsucker will run in testing mode if it is spawned before the landed flag is set true

and it messes up some behavior if a nest hasn't been created yet i think

since sapsucker is a daytime enemy i think it can spawn with the map, so it has a chance to be spawned before the doors open for clients

[opal cairn]

wait

is that why circuit bees despawn if chasing a client and they disconnect

[trim breach]

sorry i was going to post it before i ran errands

but i forgot to do so

im about to push it right now

[opal cairn]

@trim breach you might wanna look into this also

[trim breach]

no i dont think so

i dont understand how that would be related off the top of my haed

but i wont say never

i suppose

[opal cairn]

well its just

you could never figure out why it really happens

[radiant nymph]

Yay lol

[opal cairn]

but it might be similar to why the sapsucker breaks for clients

since apparently they arent fully loaded until the ship doors open

[trim breach]

well the sapsucker's AI has specifically something wrong with it

zeekerss added a "test mode" (presumably so he could debug it easier in the editor)

and it activates if the sapsucker spawns during ship phase

bees dont have any sort of ship phase checks in their AI

this bug wouldnt be unique to the sapsucker, on that note

it would happen with any enemy that checks if the game is in ship phase on Start()

if it can spawn in the first spawn wave

[trim breach]

sapsuckers are just the only enemy that currently checks that value

and because they are a daytime enemy (which can spawn instantly) + limited to the first spawn only, like bees

it means you will pretty much always encounter this issue as a client unless it just doesnt spawn at all

[thorn breach]

Isn't sapsucker an outside enemy?

[teal flicker]

yes

[thorn breach]

Coulda sworn I'd see it in outside in the debug menu

[livid plover]

yes they are outside daytime

i assume they have to be in the first spawn because of the nest

[trim breach]

zeekerss put it in outside enemies on the test level

but it is a daytime enemy

[thorn breach]

Icic

[trim breach]

they don't have to be in the first spawn

but since sapsucker and bees spawn a prop

(a bird nest and a hive)

zeekerss set them up so they have 0% chance to spawn after the first spawn wave (immediately as the day begins)

so you'll never get a beehive + bees spawning randomly mid day

in a spot they weren't earlier

same for sapsucker

[livid plover]

yeah

they still have to be chosen to spawn

but if they are gonna spawn they have to do it in the first wave

kinda interesting how that rule isn't consistent

cus baboon hawks also spawn a prop (sometimes) and they don't spawn immediately

[cursive heron]

I just had it as well
It was kinda funny byeah

[trim breach]

baboons dont spawn the prop

old birds and baboons use a "nest" object

at the start of the day, the game predicts all the enemies that it will try to spawn throughout the day

and then spawns a corresponding number of "nests"

for baboon hawks, as long as 3 sets are supposed to spawn throughout the day, it'll spawn a nest somewhere on the map for them

nests are 1:1 for old birds because their "nest" is the dormant old bird object

which, when a living old bird spawns, it gets repositioned to that nest and deletes the nest

bees and sapsucker are different

when bees spawn, they generate a hive scrap

sapsuckers generate a nest and the 3 egg scraps when they spawn

ironically despite using the "nest" script that baboons and old birds do

for the nest prefab

they are daytime enemies which do not support spawning nests

so the bird spawns and then spawns its own nest prop

meaning that all 3 enemy types in the game that utilize the nest script use it in completely different ways from one another

how confusing

[slender dock]

@trim breach I have "Randomize Default Seed" enabled but for example Vow is ALWAYS eclipsed on day 1 when starting a new save. Possibly bugged?

[trim breach]

works fine for me

if you have general improvements installed, my code to randomize the seed will not run

since general improvements does that itself

[trim breach]

but i just started like 5 new saves with the setting on and checked moons, different weather each time

[long sundial]

@trim breach are keys unable to store them on a belt bag an issue or part of the mod?

[trim breach]

belt bags arent allowed to store scrap items

if you mark keys as scrap using my setting they wont be carriable in bags

i think you can whitelist them with mattymatty's BagConfig

[long sundial]

ty

[long sundial]

is there a way to disable this feature entirely? i think the hey also doesn't show on the new radar even disabled or enabled

[trim breach]

"keys are scrap" is a setting and it's off by default

you turned it on at some point

lol

[long sundial]

ah you're right

mb

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach Looks like the the Microwave throws an error after opening the door which causes the sound to start permanently looping

[trim breach]

oh lol

i think i see what is happening here

probably

[trim breach]

i think im just gonna completely redo the microwave

i already want to fix the colliders on the microwave and fridge so they store items better

[radiant nymph]

Yeah, that sounds like a good idea lol

[exotic elm]

@trim breach do you have any info on this report i received?
EntranceTeleportOptimizations#1

it's weird because my mod does not touch the TeleportCode 🤔

[radiant nymph]

That is definitely not cus of your mod

[opal cairn]

oh i completely forgot i wanted to add entranceteleportoptimizations to my mod pack if i didnt yet

[radiant nymph]

They likely have another mod like GI that also patches that same function so it's running Twice, or it's a custom interior like DemonMae's Gothic Monastery cus I recall she patches that with that interior natively so you face the exit when going inside with the patch in Buttery Fixes on

Definitely not ETO though cus I tested with the patch in Buttery Fixes before by turning off the LethalPerformance setting to test some other issue someone thought was caused by ETO and it worked just fine

@exotic elm Your best bet would be to ask for their mod list so you can look at it

Also I know I'm not Buttery I just had to look at the report and I know that's not true or you would have been informed sooner by someone like @livid plover

[livid plover]

what now

[radiant nymph]

That bug report on Matty's github

[livid plover]

oh that

i mean it was doing that before ETO was a thing

not that it doesn't work entirely

but some moons like offense have you exit sideways instead of forward

[radiant nymph]

I don't recall ever running into this tbh

[livid plover]

mightve been the teleport being misaligned by mapimprovements

[radiant nymph]

Oh yeah probably

[livid plover]

i think the built in fire exits still work with ETO

[radiant nymph]

MapImprovements still never updated iirc

which sucks

[livid plover]

it still works fine

just isn't 100% aligned with new adamance

and needs to be networked

[radiant nymph]

it's the networking stuff that is the issue yeah

I also wish voxx would return, I want the fixes for Sector Alpha and LethalElementsBeta needs a recomp

[livid plover]

it doesn't cause noticable problems if you turn off LP caching and use ETO instead

and yes i hope v0xx returns but he's probably going through it irl right now

[radiant nymph]

I just prefer the way LP handles it since iirc it covers more and you get a better performance uplift

I had a blocked fire exit on Gorg one day cus we had mineshaft and didn't have any lag at all

it was beautiful

[livid plover]

agree but until map improvements fixes its problems i'll have to pass on it

[radiant nymph]

I just don't play on Vanilla moons enough to care

lol

and I'm fine with them how they are, granted I like Rebalanced Moons for the Titan fixes

[livid plover]

my group really likes going to adamance and offense in particular and MI really improves those

[radiant nymph]

I love Adamance as it is in Vanilla, I just wish the bridge wasn't such a joke

lol

[livid plover]

i could see it being in RBM's purview to increase bridge health

[radiant nymph]

as long as it's a config option yeah

speaking of Rebalanced Moons it needs to update since Adamance was overhauled

lowkey I don't think Adamance needs changes anymore

I like it as is

[livid plover]

i just realized

the radar change is gonna suck especially for people using MI

[radiant nymph]

Yeah that is also why RBM needs an update

[livid plover]

there is no way it's gonna regenerate to topography lines for each configuration

[radiant nymph]

to implement the radar stuff

Which that part should be easy, it just needs to reuse the radars the vanilla scenes have

[livid plover]

rbm would only have to change it for titan and vow i think

since they add minor additions to the building and dam

[radiant nymph]

I mean the radar contours don't work on any of the vanilla moons it replaces the scenes on right now

[livid plover]

ye

[radiant nymph]

I honestly think Embrion, Artifice, and Titan are the best RBM scenes

the others don't do a whole lot

I think vow had a grass change maybe?

I don't remember

[livid plover]

vow added the ladder you roll down on the dam

[radiant nymph]

I've never played on Rebalanced Vow but that is kinda cool

niche if anything

[livid plover]

it is nice if you come from fire exit and don't wanna take the long way to get to main

[radiant nymph]

Yeah

and with how Giants practically camp the bottom there outside of the fire exit sometimes

LOL

It's not a bad addition

[livid plover]

actually i should ask

[radiant nymph]

Does the new enemy behave okay on Vow with RBM though?

[livid plover]

do u use any of rosies moons

[livid plover]

probably

[radiant nymph]

I use Sector 0 and Summit

Why?

[livid plover]

i use gordion saga in my pack and noticed microstutters every second while landed on tunere

[radiant nymph]

I fixed the lag Summit usually has by using OnTriggerEnter in ReverbTriggerFix, granted I'll agree with Jacob on cautioning using that

[livid plover]

didn't know if it was an enemy or something until today

[radiant nymph]

Odd

[livid plover]

i landed on another moon, same interior and same enemy i suspected (i assumed hoarding bug was making a lot of calls in update or something), but no microstutters

[radiant nymph]

Did this start before or after V70?

[livid plover]

after v70

[radiant nymph]

Probably just something that needs changed then

[livid plover]

it might have happened in v69 but i didn';t notice

[radiant nymph]

Rosie is working on updating them as far as I'm aware

nah I played on Tunere on v69 and it was fine

Did you see if anything was erroring for you on there?

[livid plover]

no errors

[radiant nymph]

Maybe try

[livid plover]

there were things like audio spatializer warnings but not game specific

[radiant nymph]

UnityDebuggerAssistant, see if there's an error every frame under a try/catch

[livid plover]

i'll try that later

[radiant nymph]

It was how I caught why clients would load into the ship sometimes and see furniture in the middle of the ship in my pack, there was a try/catch Mel's trees would throw on lobby join that doesn't happen if you don't use them

lol

Also I'll note if you use 2 story ship there's ignorable errors it will catch

UDA catches everything, even when they're harmless

[livid plover]

yeah

i don't use 2ss but it was catching harmless things before

[radiant nymph]

Now that Mel finally provided a permanent fix for the navmesh stuff

I was happy to bring back 2SS

lol

[livid plover]

u don't use problematic pilotry right

[radiant nymph]

No

[livid plover]

gotcha

that also regens navmesh so i wondered, if i was to run widership, 2ss, and problematic pilotry, would 2ss navmesh regen be the one to keep on

[radiant nymph]

Ah yeah RBM did change Vow Grass

I wasn't crazy

lol

[slender dock]

@trim breach I'm not running GeneralImprovements.
https://i.imgur.com/iS2N7Sv.png
https://i.imgur.com/Bqu281H.png

These values roll on every day 1, any save file slot. Always.

I tried a new save on each 3 slots 5 times and rolled identical "starting seed" every time.

[livid plover]

do you have cullfactory?

[slender dock]

Nope

[livid plover]

ok

[slender dock]

I combed through the bepi log and nothing else is affecting the weather / seed of day 1 from what I could gather

https://i.imgur.com/eiO7m7R.png

Alright, I DISABLED the option to randomize seed and the weather changed.

Then again probably "default" now and still same on every day1 but that option is busted.

[thorn breach]

2ss navmesh regen isn't really a thing anymore, I made Mel and fumo just use the regen vanilla does by default after spawning outside hazards

Which can sometimes just not happen if outside hazards don't spawn, so funo made a transpiler to force that code to run by changing a local variable in there

[trim breach]

i have seen this issue before yes

i have no idea though

in my case it stopped after disabling it in lethalperformance

and then i installed your mod

[trim breach]

do you replicate this issue on a profile with nothing but my mod (and bepinex)?

this is likely a mod conflict

also, have you tested in multiplayer? im curious if weather desyncs for everyone except the host

same test. 5 new saves

only bepinex + butteryfixes, setting enabled

[exotic elm]

🤔 any chance it might actually be my fault? i doubt as the player rotation is handled in the TeleportPlayer function not the GetExitPosition one

[trim breach]

im assuming that some mod is breaking my FindObjectsByType call after the scene loads and i try to find the entrance teleports

i dont patch the teleport function

i rotate the individual entrance teleports

because different teleports need different rotation values to be correct

i guess now that i think about it, it could be an issue with network spawning resetting the rotation

[exotic elm]

i ( like LethalPerformance ) do indeed reroute the call to FindObjectsByType for EntranceTeleports

[trim breach]

im not sure if that's a real symptom

https://github.com/ButteryStancakes/ButteryFixes/blob/13d0532318008ebd015d3839058f317d94aa2033/Plugin.cs#L41
https://github.com/ButteryStancakes/ButteryFixes/blob/13d0532318008ebd015d3839058f317d94aa2033/Utility/SceneOverrides.cs#L252

this is all im doing

if you think something sticks out as incompatible with your approach

[exotic elm]

but the list i return contains all the entranceTeleports that already have run Awake so i doubt you're running too early

[trim breach]

if you think it's just execution order

i could maybe attach this to a coroutine

delay it for a couple seconds

or run it with SetExitIDs

iirc the bug only affects the facing direction when you leave a fire exit, i think entering one is always ok (which i do in SetExitIDs)

[exotic elm]

why not run it in the Awake of the EntranceTeleport too?

that would also account for fire exits spawned by mods after the moon loaded

[trim breach]

well my external patch only applies to the vanilla moons

because i manually check which exits are rotated wrong (in the editor, not in code, i mean) and only apply changes to those

i tried to do something with the fire exit prop but because of the hierarchy setup that'd be so much more effort than it's worth

i would just hope custom content authors are rotating their fire exits correctly

[exotic elm]

uh? the code you linked is a for loop that has only the condition of the config setting tho

nvm the default in the switch sets it to false

i'm not sure if OnSceneLoaded runs before or after the Awakes of the in_scene objects

[trim breach]

iirc it's after Awake but before Start

[exotic elm]

if it is after awake you're still getting all the teleports just a lot faster than normal XD

[slender dock]

Hmmh

[trim breach]

while i was working with chameleon i discovered that the new v70 radar sprites sometimes cover up landmines and radar boosters

so im going to try and adjust for that in v1.14.4

and that patch will also address the stuff i wanted to do with the microwave and fridge

[radiant nymph]

Hooray

[ruby jay]

your mods make this game even more perfect

[trim breach]

in case you were wondering about that microwave bug btw

zeekerss' code for taking items out of the microwave is really weird

when you put items inside the microwave and shut the door

it gets all the items that are children of the microwave and makes them spin

but it does not save a list of items that it's microwaving

and instead when you open the microwave it just finds all "items" in a 5 meter radius of the microwave and tells them to stop spinning (lol)

which is why you could get infinitely spinning items by just grabbing them straight out of the microwave and dropping them more than 5 units away

[trim breach]

but also the way he finds "items" is he just does a spherical search for anything on the "Props" layer and assumes it's an item

which is a problem because new furniture like the fridge has colliders on the Props layer that are not items...

so if you have the microwave close to the fridge (and possibly other furniture, i didnt bother checking) it would throw an error when you open the microwave

because it tries to make the item connected to the fridge (which doesnt exist) stop spinning

[trim breach]

idk why he didnt just do this

but anyways this fix also gives me an excuse to make the microwave not spin items until the plate on the inside starts spinning

because that bugs me more than it should

but it was such a minor issue that would require an intrusive fix and i figured it wasn't worth it

but if we are at "microwave throws an error opening it next to the fridge" level...

[thorn breach]

i like this bug, dont fix it

[trim breach]

well i already fixed it in my first v70 patch

and then zeekerss fixed it in v71

[thorn breach]

damn

😔

i havent played so i assumed it was still there lol

[trim breach]

lol

it was funny but immersion breaking stuff like that does bug me

and i was almost certain he'd fix it himself anyway

and he did

like, immediately

[thorn breach]

sadly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzTNbpax9lg rip the spin

[trim breach]

this sort of thing is really cool

though

i do have a soft spot in me for this sort of practical joke

[thorn breach]

we should have an item that's like a spinning disc

or an unlockable like that

and it spins whatevers above it

that would be fun

[trim breach]

he might do something like that

the items spinning is not at all attached to the microwave

items have a "rotateObject" flag that only the microwave controls right now

but he could pretty easily apply it to other stuff if he wanted

[thorn breach]

oooh interesting

[ruby jay]

I fell victim to the spin

0/10

[jolly raven]

LMAOOO

this is perfect

[trim breach]

lol the ladder is the main reason i wanted to patch it

if zeekerss didnt do anything about it i was at least going to patch ladders

because it has really buggy behavior with the cruiser too

at this point all items have been patched so whtaever

btu ya

[ruby jay]

yeah my friend in the green suit wasn't seeing the ladder spinning so I kinda just keeled over and died on her end hehe

[daring steeple]

nothing outside of the weird undocumented usage of that attribute i want to use can ever touch scene things before awake/onenable

[lunar swan]

a bit late but i dont change value, i just capture value and call my method to check that vallue

and adding 2 ilcodes to do it

[thorn breach]

that's fair

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach Small request, can you make your teleporter patch override GI's since GI is breaking the teleporter right now?

Actually I know what is causing this

[trim breach]

i dont patch the teleporter

not to my memory anyway

i just patch the "set position" function of the player ragdoll to collect it

[radiant nymph]

Yeah lol, GI's teleporter settings are broken unless set to none ((Vanilla behavior)) or All

Cus when set to none it's patch doesn't run

[radiant nymph]

Btw @trim breach Didn't you used to fix the issue of the Cruiser being in the middle of the ship for clients? It was happening today and I had to readd Cruiser Improved to fix it, I originally removed it since you suggested it's removal til it got an update lol

[trim breach]

no i barely touch the cruiser

[radiant nymph]

Not sure if it was you that fixed it or if Cruiser Additions attempted to, it definitely wasn't working though

XD

Okay got you

[trim breach]

cruiser improved is the only thing that fixes it to my knowledge but i dont use any other cruiser mods

also i dont remember encouraging removing it

if i ever did then i take it back

it's fine in v72

[radiant nymph]

I think I just removed it cus you mentioned it might need changes

but yeah it works fine

[opal cairn]

it has a bug where items with a saved position get shifted horizontally towards the magnet side of the ship currently

but thats counteractable

minor inconvenience

[trim breach]

never seen that issue before

[radiant nymph]

Same

[trim breach]

im pretty sure it's a conflict with something else you use

because i use cruiser improved with everything and that does not replicate for me

[opal cairn]

i literally dmed you about it

[trim breach]

yes

i know

[opal cairn]

and proved it was only cruiserimproved causing it

[radiant nymph]

The buffs to the Cruiser are amazing though

[opal cairn]

if its a conflict, how did it happen with a fresh profile with no other mods

[thorn breach]

its a conflict of interest, clearly

[opal cairn]

besides bettersaves and imperium but i already checked if those cause it and they dont

personalized bugs are now in lethal company...

this is scary...

[trim breach]

anyways

in that case it's the opposite

something that lunx and i use prevents this bug from occurring

[trim breach]

nevermind @opal cairn im getting it too

im not sure why this wasn't replicating when i was playing solo on v70

because i was using this same profile

but anyways i would assume disabling this should be fine

since it's the only thing that patches save/load with cruiser

i believe

[radiant nymph]

I have that setting off lol

[trim breach]

then yeah

there you go

i suppose

[opal cairn]

will check

[opal cairn]

indeed it was that

[trim breach]

i double checked the code and this makes sense

it only affects "weapons" and non-scrap

i had barely any equipment in solo

and all of my scrap would be unaffected

i only loaded a save once and i think it was before i ordered most of my equipment to begin with

[hollow fable]

Just checking what this error is about
[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
ButteryFixes.Utility.SceneOverrides.OnSceneLoaded (UnityEngine.SceneManagement.Scene scene, UnityEngine.SceneManagement.LoadSceneMode mode) (at <1b3febd64f674903bab2236b3ffd9131>:IL_0D48)
UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.Internal_SceneLoaded (UnityEngine.SceneManagement.Scene scene, UnityEngine.SceneManagement.LoadSceneMode mode) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_000E)

it shows right at the start before the main menu

[trim breach]

oh

i made a silly mistake

it should not be an issue though

dont worry about it

[hollow fable]

Okey 👍

[slate venture]

Idk if its possible, but can you add an option to turn it off "The Kidnapper Fox won't kill you in the ship, unless it has recently been attacked/stunned by a player"?

[trim breach]

that was just a bandaid fix to prevent it from spawn camping

if it nested inside the ship

with yesfox, it shouldnt nest inside the ship anyway

it is only prevented from killing players

it still grapples them in the ship and drags them out to their nest

[slate venture]

Ah

[slate venture]

Sometimes the fox is waiting outside the ship and never enter. I thought it was because of that change.

[trim breach]

no the fox AI was changed in v56

it has to wait for a while outside the ship before it's allowed to enter

and it doesnt enter the ship unless it's chasing players (in v55 it used to wait inside the ship for people to return)

[loud mist]

@trim breach Found an issue. Key icons don't disappear after being used on a door. That counts for both unlocking and locking doors with a locking door mod

[trim breach]

do you use matty fixes?

he fixed that bug on his end

im pretty sure

[loud mist]

idk its still here

i use all the fix mods

unless i have to reset matty's config or something I don't have it

[radiant nymph]

Then something would be breaking the fix in Matty's mod cus it works fine for me, you have a really bloated pack so conflicts are gonna happen

[loud mist]

it was imperium

[livid plover]

of course

[loud mist]

https://tenor.com/view/mario-mario64-brap-braaaaap-fart-gif-23469121

[loud mist]

@trim breach is the 'monitoring...' fixed by another mod or??

cause it doesnt switch to a name but instead switches to monitoring anytime we land

[livid plover]

It always does that when you land

Just tab to another player

[loud mist]

yeah but should still be fixed innit

[jolly raven]

no

because i said so

[loud mist]

https://tenor.com/view/chester-cheetah-braaaap-fire-cheetos-flamin-hot-gif-4278922297549245019

[jolly raven]

https://tenor.com/view/chiikawa-awesome-awesome-sauce-epic-explode-gif-1127926339974325349

[trim breach]

are you using general improvements

general improvements also included a fix for the MONITORING: Player fix i used to have in this mod

[loud mist]

yes

[trim breach]

but zeekerss updated that text in v70 to just reflect the player name without the "MONITORING"

i updated my patch to match

but i wonder if shaosil has updated for v70

[radiant nymph]

He has but I don't think he changed this

[trim breach]

general improvements apparently updated 15 hours ago but the changelog doesnt seem to indicate if he was aware of this

[radiant nymph]

He also didn't fix the cupboard breaking when the doors are disabled in GI's config

So he did miss a few things

Might be worth letting him know about that

[trim breach]

i just double checked

[trim breach]

butteryfixes should have the change i mentioned here

so im pretty confident this is not a me issue

[loud mist]

probably isnt

i just brought it up since this is my go to bug fix mod tbh

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach An odd question but have you noticed Steam Valves working at all on V72? I feel like I haven't seen them pop at all as of late

[opal cairn]

they still work

i would amount that to just modded interiors not having them able to cause a leak, or possibly modded interiors no longer working

but they still happen in vanilla factory and mineshaft

[radiant nymph]

I know Dantors' one is broken after V70

it used to pop valves that spewed green fog that would damage you but they no longer work

It's possible that having that installed was breaking valves in general

I have to get rid of it anyways due to fire exits sometimes being bugged and sending players inside the wrong way into the void lol

[trim breach]

steam valves were apparently changed in v70 but i dont know exactly how or what those changes were

[low jewel]

if it relates at all, the balloons in the birthday room in the mansion use the steam valve script

[jolly raven]

wHAT

can they be popped?

[opal cairn]

they do pop but i have no idea what triggers it

if anything besides RNG

if it is RNG it must be decently rare because after i heard them pop on my first few days in v70, i never heard them do it again for like 9 days

i was starting to think zeekerss accidentally broke them popping with one of the hotfix updates

[trim breach]

they pop on their own

[low jewel]

probably the same trigger as the steam valves considering they use that script

[trim breach]

steam valves just break on their own after enough time passes

i dont get why zeekerss designs his games the way he does sometimes

reusing code where it's applicable is good, and helps save a lot of effort on repeated development

but there are some really weird decisions happening there

like stun grenades and easter eggs reusing the exact same item script, even though they have completely separate explosion mechanics (timer vs chance, one is a stun and the other deals damage and force)

and i think using the steam valve script for the birthday party balloons is probably the icing on that cake

[trim breach]

oh yeah also the same script is used for both collision triggers (activated by players walking into them) and interact triggers (holding E on them)

even though they are functionally almost nothing alike

just all very strange

[trim breach]

the idea with this is usually "you design a master class with all of the shared features, and inherit from it with special classes that define their own behavior"

but like

the stun grenade item just had a bunch of new code bolted on to it for the easter eggs

that only the easter eggs use now

and if he wants to make a new throwable item with new special behavior unique from the easter eggs and stun grenades

he'll probably just add more code to that class that only that new item uses

im not sure much time is being saved in the first place

i guess

[slender dock]

@trim breach btw I found the issue with first day seed, it was Diversity all along.

Had no idea it would touch weather at all

[trim breach]

lol

[sweet frigate]

When it says making the brown suit unlocked by completing a quota with all the other suits, is that default suits only or all suits that can be purchased from the terminal?

[trim breach]

i dont remember

i think it just iterates through the entire unlockables list

and any suits not unlocked by default need to be unlocked

iirc

[trim breach]

just as a show of hands

how many people are going to be unhappy if i finally fix the collision at experimentation's fire exit

[radiant nymph]

There's a collision issue there?

[trim breach]

there's a giant beam that you can just walk straight through

on the side of the building

[radiant nymph]

Lmao I had no idea ngl

[teal flicker]

He means at the bottom befor the stairs

It has no real usage why would ppl be mad

[trim breach]

you would be surprised

[teal flicker]

I'm in for surprises

[opal cairn]

i wont be mad

it doesnt effect anything its just funny to walk through it

[thorn breach]

i think purple will be mad

[opal cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-five-nights-at-freddys-five-night's-at-freddys-freddy-golden-freddy-gif-87738656804685842

[livid plover]

RBM already fixes it

[teal flicker]

Rbm?

[green valve]

ReBalancedMoons, replaces the vanilla scenes with its own. so, a less invasive fix would still have a place I think

[teal flicker]

Ah, I stopped using it when I kept getting like weird softlock issues upon landing on moons and other weirdness which I can't remember

Never properly looked into this I just found out that removing Rrbalanced moons and it's dependencies also got rid of the issues lol

[livid plover]

If you didnt have the hot reload patch installed that mightve been why

[teal flicker]

It was a dependency

[livid plover]

Because I remember something about rbm not loading the correct scene on first time landing

[slender dock]

Its faster and you take no fall damage. It's certainly beneficial. If that gets fixed I'm deliberately going to Experimentation with my team just to watch them die to fall damage.

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach Looks like a new hotfix just dropped

[trim breach]

lol it is still v72

so i guess we are back in the unlabelled patches era

[ruby jay]

I find it weird how zeekerss does versioning

[trim breach]

looks like no code diffs

so it's probably only changes to scenes/scriptable objects

then

[radiant nymph]

Yeah

1A3 saw no diffs too

I was confused lol

[ruby jay]

is the site automatic?

[radiant nymph]

So I guess no birb fix

[radiant nymph]

Nah he has to always check it himself then update it

[trim breach]

a lot of the site's functionality is automatic i believe

but he still needs to feed it new builds afaik

[radiant nymph]

Yeah

[trim breach]

@radiant nymph im assuming no changes are necessary

right now the only thing we are aware of is the new sigurd log

no code diffs and i will have to check the levels and prefabs and stuff later

[radiant nymph]

Yeah

[trim breach]

i will still be updating soon anyway because i've been chipping away at a couple smaller changes i'd like to release

mainly a bunch of polish for the microwave and fridge

which were extremely undercooked

in my humble opinion

[brazen fulcrum]

If its undercooked just stick it in the microwave longer

[iron crest]

modding in unity is cool

i did a mistake in my modding (not fixable i guess)

[gilded lintel]

has anyone noticed if you get teleported into the ship when you were originally "outside", the game clock at the top stays on, until you walk out of the ship and back in, im guessing zeekers missed disabling the clock on teleport into the ship?. Unless this is something else, but i dont use any clock mods

[trim breach]

i have personally not ever noticed but you might be right

[ruby jay]

some objects like the terminal and the bunk bed sink into the ground when picked up and placed down

this has always bothered me Could this permayhaps be fixed

(this is a vanilla issue)

[opal cairn]

oh my god i hate that

more so for the bunkbeds though

[ruby jay]

yea

it completely hides the little drawers at the bottom

the only way to fix the bunk beds is to buy a teleporter and place the bunk bed ontop of it and then move the teleporter

theres no objects that raise the terminal high enough to stop it from clipping into the ground

wait maybe the welcome mat could work

-# also I wish the holograms were more accurate

[clever steeple]

my best guess is that it has to do with the reverb triggers responsible for making you be inside/outside, p sure ive seen this happen multiple times to me as well
maybe some sort of oversight where teleporter checks if youre inside but not outside? idunno

[opal cairn]

@summer falcon @trim breach ok so an update to the falling through ship bug

a friend just now got it after i reloaded a save file that has never had an item placed inside of the cupboard a single time

so its not actually the cupboard causing it

[summer falcon]

got the save file?

@opal cairn

forget who was going to look at the save, but afaik, the issue is likely saved in that file

also, while for me and others, its items place inside the cabinet causing the "error" which causes the drop out of the ship.

the same error (infinity or nan error) can cause the drop, but the cause of the infinity or nan could be different.

the key is working out why the infinity or nan is occuring.

[opal cairn]

i deleted the save like an hour ago cause me and my friends finished what we were doing on it

[sweet frigate]

So I tested, the option of the classic brown suit only being unlocked when a qouta is complete is only with the default suits. Any suit added to the shop doesn't count

which for me is a good thing though I think I'm gonna have it unlocked off the start in my modpack. But yeah just tested 👍

[radiant nymph]

The infinity or nan stuff is always so random tbh

[summer falcon]

for the first time in 2 weeks, i havent had it occur once.

im pretty sure (at least in my case), it occurs because of two cabinets being too close to each other, i left vanilla cabinet in default vanilla position (afaik), and SSS as far away from the vanilla one along the same wall (nearer the lever), and voila.. falling through the ship has stopped. (also using small SSS not big one, so it stays as far away from vanilla cabinet as possible)

likewise, probably turning off some other settings (like sorting tools from scrap (in cruiser improved i think it was?) off as that was moving items from the cabinets to the floor) also helped.

I could be having wishful thinking, but today was nice compared to last week, where we didnt really get to play because of falling through the ship from infinity or nan errors.

[trim breach]

i wonder if part of the problem is that some mod is trying to "adopt" items into both cupboards at once

since vanilla does not save whether items are in cupboards or not

only their positions are saved

[thin berry]

I thought matty fixes was doing that but with a very small offset check

[summer falcon]

yes, matty said this week or last week, the matty's fixes parents items into the vanilla cupboard (at least), and i had an item move, from the SSS, to the vanilla cupboard, when i had the cupboards next to each other.

so once i read that, i decided i will keep the cabinets apart as ive had them next to each other for weeks (rather coincidentily.. ive had them together and my group started falling through floors).

[summer falcon]

thats what was said, which is why im checking out keeping the cabinets seperate, as i put them next to each other, and people say its been happening with other cabinets too, so it doesnt sound like an SSS problem, if more cabinets is getting the issue, so that + what matty said led me to think the item parenting fix is unintentionally causing it (at least for me)

[trim breach]

one of the fixes i've been wanting to make is turret line of sight

i just experienced half of our players dying to turrets inside of a bookshelf on artifice which has reminded me i still need to do that

lol

[meager estuary]

Please do 🙏

[thorn breach]

@trim breach out of curiosity is there a reason why you set every LOD that has cross fade ticked to not be?

Afaik lethal doesn't support it but does leaving it on do something?

[trim breach]

lethal company doesn't support it yes

when you have cross fade enabled, it causes both LOD models to appear at full opacity for a couple frames

when the fade is supposed to happen

so it causes "pop in" to happen twice

instead of just once

when transitioning between LODs

[thorn breach]

Oh ic, ig I never noticed it since I've only done cull LOD's

[trim breach]

i did make that a config setting because it is a sweeping change made to all LODs when a scene loads

and doesn't discriminate based on any criteria ATM

[thorn breach]

Is cross fade something we can't just enable as well?

[trim breach]

but that is what i wanted to fix

[trim breach]

i think the cross fade effect is broken because of lethal company's weird shaders

[thorn breach]

I've messed with some unity settings zeekerss has before and they seemed fine I.e. changing how many bones lethal can support connecting at once

[trim breach]

it works in the editor already as is

[thorn breach]

Ah okay

[trim breach]

but im not an expert in all the unity settings under-the-hood so you might be right

that there's something we can do

[thorn breach]

Iirc I saw the setting was just disabled but I'll recheck

Yeah it seems to be turned off, I'll turn it back on later and see if that makes a difference

Does adamance have LOD trees I can check the results of this with?

[trim breach]

every planet has LOD trees

the tree prefab has an LOD group built into it

the boulders also have LODs

randomly spawning and pre-placed

[sweet frigate]

Is ButteryBalance working okay?

Like anything wrong with it atm? I'm thinking of checking it out

I heard something about TZP inhalent buff or something idk

[trim breach]

it works fine

[sweet frigate]

What is this kill switch thing?

[radiant nymph]

It works fine now, it's been updated since then

the Kill Switch will disable all the moon and interior changes

[teal flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[slate venture]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-hide-you-didnt-see-anything-penguins-of-madagascar-gif-15123878

[ruby jay]

are there any mods that fix the stuck "WARNING ship is leaving at midnight--" message?

I'm surprised this mod doesn't fix it

and also the item pop-up when you bring an item to the ship sometimes just stops working and the item will be stuck on the right side of the screen (though really small) forever

[teal flicker]

I've never even heard of this issue

[ruby jay]

It happens pretty rarely (it has only happen to me like 5 times over more than a year now)

[ruby jay]

this is the message I'm talking about if anyone is wondering.

it seems to get stuck on the screen when the message pops-up while you're dead spectating someone. when you respawn it doesn't go away.

[eternal lantern]

Never had that happen to me

It’s probably a mod you have causing it

[teal flicker]

I would also assume that it's some janky old mod

[ruby jay]

I’ve seen it happen in vanilla before

[trim breach]

ive never encountered either of these issues so i wouldnt know where to start on fixing them

[ruby jay]

Darnn

[agile forge]

what the "buttery fixes" mod changes?

[slate venture]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ButteryStancakes/ButteryFixes/

[agile forge]

oh thanks

[agile forge]

btw what that"legs" you have is

[slate venture]

It's from Zeekers discord server

[agile forge]

and why it is private

[opal cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/man-face-roblox-man-face-roblox-man-face-gif-47048955968819085

[agile forge]

lol that gif

[agile forge]

@trim breach smth off topic btw, is it real that you quit granny community?

[meager estuary]

Yay

[agile forge]

xd

btw does lethal company has infinitive levels somehow like repo?

[opal cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/half-life2-linkin-park-it-starts-with-one-thing-hl2-hl2meme-gif-25759099

[agile forge]

doesnt understand the gif

[ember sigil]

Infinitive levels?

Neither game has an end, other than game over.

[opal cairn]

they basically mean infinite pre-generation

i dont actually know if repo does

but lethal doesnt by technicality

there is a max of like 999999999 seeds

but its infinite for everyone pretty much

[thorn breach]

REPO is a lot less random tbh, even if the seeds aren't capped (because seeds don't exist in repo)

[agile forge]

basically repo has infinitive levels

i dont think it ever stops

because someone has reached to lever 200 but he still plays

[ember sigil]

#1245891961966170204 message

They're both "infinite" in that sense.

[agile forge]

ok

[eternal lantern]

I mean technically both are infinite but in LC there’s a point where it’s impossible to win. Even if you saved scrap from all the other quotas.

That isn’t the case in REPO since there’s always enough scrap for each level.

[agile forge]

wdym "scrap"?

[ember sigil]

What do you mean "wdym "scrap"?" Have you played LC before?

Or is it not being called "valuables" that confusing?

[eternal lantern]

There’s too many syllables in valuables compared to scrap.

And I’m extraordinarily lazy

[ember sigil]

loot

[eternal lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/ship-water-sea-waves-gif-6215971

“This loot should be enough for the extraction point, arr matey!”

Actually nevermind that’s funnier

[slate venture]

Well, lethal has a ship too

[agile forge]

nope

[brazen fulcrum]

Then wht are you modding lol

[meager estuary]

Top 10 mysteries science can’t explain

[eternal lantern]

Hes here for the vibes

[agile forge]

nothing.. i am just here to see what the mods changes

even tho buttery was the one who made me see the game

[trim breach]

i will probably post the update today

i have been sitting on a laundry list of changes for a couple of weeks now

but there's some nice fixes i would like to release

[candid pivot]

yay

[trim breach]

god it's been so long

i remembered i forgot the dll literally half a second after clicking the upload button

sigh

[sweet frigate]

Appreciate the update!

[radiant nymph]

A nice big update 🔥

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach @green valve with the new update for Buttery Fixes should this still be on or should I disable it?

[trim breach]

oh i actually dont know

i probably did something very similar to what they did

microwave and fridge were on the wrong layers and i fixed that

our changes probably dont even conflict

but ill double check later

[ember sigil]

Seeing as you touched up ads, could you also look into making items in ads not be affected by local lighting? If possible.

[sweet frigate]

Hey buttery, is there any chance you have the png of the anniversary edition brown suit? The one from the wiki is lower res and I'm trying to find the official one straight from the game

[trim breach]

i can do you one even better

zeekerss posted the original texture, without even the compression from unity

[sweet frigate]

Ahh thank you!

do you think since it's the one without the compression from unity that if I edit that image right there it will/won't mess up?

[trim breach]

no unity compresses it when you build it

just to reduce filesize

[sweet frigate]

which would should I use then?

[trim breach]

it can read uncompressed images and you can tell it not to compress the texture if you want

are you using moresuits

[sweet frigate]

yeah

[trim breach]

moresuits will just read the png directly

it doesnt matter

[sweet frigate]

ahh ok!

thank you

[ruby jay]

does the og suit still not fully exist? other than the recreation that you've made?

[trim breach]

zeekerss apparently has lost the original file

[agile forge]

anniversary? Didnt lethal company release in October?

[opal cairn]

i am going to eviscerate this person

[agile forge]

what?

[eternal lantern]

“Made”

Past tense.

[agile forge]

what are you talking about

[ember sigil]

What are you talking about?

Yes, LC released in October 2023 and had anniversary on October 2024. What's the problem?

[agile forge]

i mean i thought the post she made was recent

[ember sigil]

It's a forwarded message. And even if it wasn't, there's no issue with it. It's a message with a texture that was previously made.

[agile forge]

ok dude what's the problem

[eternal lantern]

Theres no problem. The way he texts looks passive aggressive but hes just informing you.

[agile forge]

oh ok

[ember sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-thankyou-michael-scott-theoffice-thanks-gif-9222847

[sonic kayak]

For the exactly one person who uses MoreAds and ButteryFixes at the same time, Buttery now fixes the same ads I fix, leading to conflicts. I'm going to add a compatibility check on my end, since ButteryFixes's fix is exactly the same and not configurable as far as I can tell.

[trim breach]

i can add compatibility on my end if you want

i already have a bunch of auto-compat stuff implemented

[sonic kayak]

It's no big deal either way.

[trim breach]

do you fix the discount percentage and suit thing too, then?

[sonic kayak]

Yeah. But I also use the fixed percent to generate new slogans (if the one chosen is under a threshold) and do other stuff. But yeah, the suits one is mandatory in a mod called MoreAds. :B

I was considering reading the sale value directly in the client RPC, which should work with both our mods, since you prefix it.

Yeah. I'll do that. Compat without any more work sounds good.

[trim breach]

does the suit accessory thing cause any conflicts for you? im still open to toggling off my patches if your mod is installed

however you want to handle it works for me

but it's on offer

[sonic kayak]

Not as far as I've seen. I'll dig more. I'm in the middle of a playtest/hangout.

[sonic kayak]

I appreciate it.

[trim breach]

lol yeah i get it

just let me know

[sonic kayak]

I actually just kill suit ads since they completely break the ad subroutine going forward, so I like your solution better.

[ruby jay]

-# me me me!!!

is this perhaps something buttery fixes could fix?

[sonic kayak]

I don't know how to mess with shaders in the code. Do you Buttery?

[trim breach]

oh sorry i forgot to post in response to this

probably the easiest way would be to switch to an unlit shader yeah

i can look into it in the future, but i'll call this "low priority" for me, for now

[sweet frigate]

hey buttery I found a bug. So like there is a monster with like so many crazy things in vanilla it could do but like it doesn't work. I think it's name was like lasso man or something. You should like totally fix that bug so it's playable

HAHA jkjk

Pretty sure I heard it was removed removed anyway so I don't think it's possible

[trim breach]

lasso man exists but it's super broken and it's not really possible to "fix" it

it isn't set to spawn on any of the vanilla moons so you'd have to make up spawn chances for it

and outside of a couple animations (that might not even be finished) there's no telling what it was intended to do

i could fix its AI but then it would just act like a buggy thumper

[opal cairn]

lasso is still in the game

just cant spawn

[sweet frigate]

I mean I hate to see it not in the game ngl. Maybe a mod that gives it a bunch of configurable values? So you could give it certain ai's and do certain damage

Ugh I wish I could mod, i'd so do that

[opal cairn]

wesley used lasso for the art gallery interior recently

but thats not really the same thing as them being an active monster

[sweet frigate]

I'd just make it impossibly rare

[opal cairn]

lasso is more of an added hazard

[sweet frigate]

oh yeah I kno whtat

Whomever if any person made mentioned mod, they could do it similar to how rollinggiant did. In a sense customize what ai's we could assign, it's damage, it's speed, maybe have a few custom noises for it

[opal cairn]

lasso is sort of usable without changing their current AI

theoretically you can use them to make a specific player it locks onto unable to tell if theyve stared at a bracken or how close a barber is without being right up to it

plus in general since lasso gives the full fear effect, it would make it harder to see

[sweet frigate]

it's just the problem of NOT A SINGLE MOD I KNOW OF can spawn it 😭

I planned on it being paired with this fear mod I found but then I figured I'd just make it like the rarest monster. So rare it wouldn't affect gameplay but when it did spawn, everyone would be flabbergasted they saw it

[trim breach]

lasso has a flag set that completely blocks it from spawning

because there was an error with players getting it in the v50 beta challenge moons

toggling off that flag is really easy. i would genuinely be surprised if nobody has ever done it

all it'd do is re-enable a super broken monster that was never fully designed though

still doesn't accomplish a ton

[sweet frigate]

would it be like a single line of code to do that. I mean I don't want something that doesn't do anything but like at the same time like the idea of lasso is so cool.

but at the same time, it doesn't do anything ugh the pain of liking beta/cut stuff from video games

[sweet frigate]

Hey Buttery, would it be okay if I could have the png for the alpha brown suit you recreated. I'm assuming that's the most precise color of the brown that was in the alpha trailer available at the moment. I kind of want a way to have both browns (anniversay and alpha) together and atm that's the only way I know how. I have a suit mod where I make a lot of my own color suits and (With permission) price changes for certain suits. Of course I give credit to whomever. If you don't want to, that's totally understandable and I can probably find a different suit to take up that slot in my modpack though what my mod's name is and it's purpose, it shouldn't even bring that much attention to a singular suit that would also be available in your mod.

Well, now that I think about it, I don't necessarily have to have the png. It's just if I make my own brown suit png, I'll have two suits both named brown. Kind of wish I could seperate it into Brown suit and Pre-alpha suit or something along those lines so if the option is there, I would like the png lol. Again if not that's fine!

[hollow fable]

RestoreLassoMan will become real one day

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

Honestly, I've thought a lot what he could do but it would just be some copycat from another entity

The best idea I had was Lasso Man being a entity that annoys the player

He would just wander and when he founds someone he acts like a butler and follows around blocking the path

Pulling the player if he runs

Pushing them into pits

[trim breach]

it's a single line of code to disable the flag, a single line of code to fix lasso not dealing damage, and "very few" lines of code to add spawn weights for it

but lasso literally just uses an older version of the thumper AI (from before v47's rework) with pretty much the only difference being "Strangulation" type damage instead of "Mauling"

and there's no "fixing" that

there is no way to tell what zeekerss intended lasso to do

lasso has only 3 animations (idle, walking, some weird grabby animation) but they aren't hooked up correctly and can't be played without making a new controller

[sweet frigate]

How much to commission

haha

[trim breach]

well i've been asked before to make a mod that just "restores" lasso in its existing broken state

i went on hiatus before finishing it and i never picked it back up

but i guess i could still just do that

im not really interested in tackling a lasso rework though, sorry

i would only be making what's already in the game available

anyways

[trim breach]

i think i put the suit texture on the github

[sweet frigate]

Would that include a config to maybe change his damage/speed?

[trim breach]

probably not because those would require transpilers and im really uninvested in this

i would probably make the damage fix a config option

if you want it to just harmlessly follow players

i guess

[sweet frigate]

would the damage fix give it the same damage as the thumper? If I recall lasso didn't even do damage before, it just followed

[trim breach]

lasso has the exact same damage logic as thumpers

just a different damage type

[slate venture]

For some reason general improvements breaks your "Randomize default seed" even if i turn off "Randomize new save seed" from general improvements.

[trim breach]

numbers and cooldown are the same

the problem is just that the cooldown doesn't work in lasso's AI, which completely blocks it from ever dealing damage

[trim breach]

yes i dont randomize the seed at all if GI is installed, since GI lets you toggle it on/off

[sweet frigate]

oh. It a hassle to fix that cooldown? I'm unsure how difficult it is to change certain things haha

[slate venture]

ah

[trim breach]

the cooldown fix is a single line of code

it's just a timer that zeekerss never implemented any code to tick

[trim breach]

anyways, if you use GI, you should enable the feature there

[sweet frigate]

ohhh okok.

[trim breach]

i'll probably push an update for this again soon, since I have a couple of fixes sitting around again

regarding breaker box in v70 manor and some incorrect prices in terminal

so @sonic kayak let me know if you want me to implement anything on my side, it could go out "close to immediately" with these other fixes

[sweet frigate]

If your not interested in doing so that's fine honestly! But if you are idm paying you in whatever way I'm supposed to.

Also I'll check to see about that alphabrown rq

Honestly even I am like wishy washy about lasso. I know one day someone will release some crazy mod making it super unique but it sucks just not having it at all. Idk, takes a lot of thinkin

[trim breach]

i am deeply invested in cut content for lethal company but like

im mostly interested in seeing that content the way it was intended to be seen

i'm not super interested in "a fan recreation of lasso" and im less interested in being the person to make it

if lasso was in a more finished state and just needed to be fixed it would be a different story

but like, Restore Mapper was a lot easier to justify in my head because that item already worked correctly in a previous version of the game and had just been broken by updates changing how some underlying mechanics worked

so that was cut content i could work with

anyways

[trim breach]

ive received a few offers for commissions but i dont have any payment methods set up

and this would be a very small and easy mod to make since im just restoring it in whatever state it's already in

so i'd just do it for free

[sweet frigate]

Oh okay! I don't mean to sound demanding with the following requests if you do decide do just a few questions, will it include a fix for the timer that actually allows it to do damage, is it possible to make that timer a config so we can set how much damage it does per second (really just for the slightest bit of customization, if that is related to the transpilers then you don't have to either way!), and I couldn't find the alpha suit in the github

I don't use github that much so it's odd to traverse 😅

But me personally would love the lasso back in just a state where it actually spawns and if possible do damage. People could most likely make addons or things for it in the future, idk how mods work

[sonic kayak]

I think 2.0.2 of MoreAds "Just Works" (TM) with your stuff since I do a Tool Ad RPC replacement on the client side. I just ignored the incoming value and repull the terminal sale list.

Thank you!

[trim breach]

it's possible i might just be misremembering about the suit

[sonic kayak]

Considering the rpc call repulls the list to get the item (in vanilla) I don't know why it doesn't just fetch the sale value there to begin with.

[trim breach]

cool, glad to hear it then

[trim breach]

lol yes

zeekerss works in mysterious ways

[candid pivot]

"not having it at all"
He is a main gimmick in the Art Gallery Interior on Wesley's Interior

It's not an actual enemy by itself, but it's a really good implementation

[trim breach]

the cooldown time and damage number would require a transpiler or prefix cancel to change

but since i have to add the code to tick the cooldown, i guess i could add a multiplier to make it tick faster/slower in the config

[ruby jay]

How come people are so interested in the lasso thing? I’ve always though it was just leftover stuff for testing/messing around (before the game was released)

So it never seemed that interesting, well it just seems as interesting as the other unused/leftover entities like the nextbot thing

[trim breach]

i am doubtful it was used for testing

it's fully modeled and rigged