Buttery Fixes | Lethal Company Modding | Page 6

trim breach Jan 20, 2025, 9:32 PM

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well

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i'd venture to guess this is more a problem with enhancedtweaks

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especially if it doesn't consistently replicate

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i wasn't able to replicate it

hazy goblet Jan 21, 2025, 12:51 AM

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innocent

ruby dagger Jan 23, 2025, 2:47 AM

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@trim breach Is this actually a bug, or

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 2:49 AM

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yes

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otherwise i wouldnt have fixed it

smoky current Jan 23, 2025, 3:12 AM

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trim breach otherwise i wouldnt have fixed it

did you ever fix music still playing on eclipsed moons

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i remember it did this just a couple months ago or so

ruby dagger Jan 23, 2025, 3:14 AM

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trim breach yes

How did u know it was?

smoky current Jan 23, 2025, 3:17 AM

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common sense

ruby dagger Jan 23, 2025, 3:17 AM

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What

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How is that common sense

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I thought it was a design choice

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 3:18 AM

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it's definitely not

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if you see the way the code is written it becomes apparent it is an issue

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playDelayedMusicCoroutine != null does not mean music is actively playing

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because it gets set to null immediately after PlayRandomOutsideMusic gets called (which starts playing music)

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the problem is that if the code terminates early before playDelayedMusicCoroutine gets set back to null, it never gets set null again under any circumstance

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and that cancels music for the rest of the session

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all time-of-day cues from the clock changing

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all ambient tracks from morning/noon

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the company music

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 3:20 AM

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trim breach the problem is that if the code terminates early before playDelayedMusicCoroutin...

it always terminates early if you visit the company

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or if you are inside the building/ship when it rolls a random chance for music to play

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pretty clearly not intended

smoky current Jan 23, 2025, 3:20 AM

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also common sense

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 3:21 AM

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anyways

smoky current Jan 23, 2025, 3:21 AM

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sessions usually last anywhere from 30m to multiple hours

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 3:21 AM

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my fix does the behavior that you would expect

smoky current Jan 23, 2025, 3:21 AM

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why would the music only play once

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 3:21 AM

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if music is not playing when PlayTimeMusicDelayed gets called again

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it will set the coroutine handle back to null and allow music to play again

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so music can play again as long as a track is not actively playing

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and I also carried forth zeekerss' design intent that the company won't play music if you visit it multiple times in quick succession

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it only plays music once unless you leave, spend a day elsewhere, and come back (since there is unused code for the company not playing music unless it's been x number of hours since the previous visit)

smoky current Jan 23, 2025, 3:22 AM

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yknow buttery

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in a way im almost kinda upset masked behavior got fixed LOL

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i kinda was excited to tackle that

ruby dagger Jan 23, 2025, 3:22 AM

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smoky current why would the music only play once

My guess was because it's there to settle you in, and the silence afterwards to put you on... edge?

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Nothing to keep you calm and whatnot

smoky current Jan 23, 2025, 3:23 AM

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oh i guess

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idk it just seems kinda lame to me

ruby dagger Jan 23, 2025, 3:23 AM

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So this should def be a toggleable fix Imo

smoky current Jan 23, 2025, 3:23 AM

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i dont like how stingers are implemented either

ruby dagger Jan 23, 2025, 3:23 AM

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Stingers suck 💔

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 3:23 AM

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i would concede it being a possible design decision

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except that if the music breaks

ruby dagger Jan 23, 2025, 3:24 AM

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I meant like

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the way they were coded

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lol

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 3:24 AM

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you don't hear time-of-day cues throughout the course of the day anymore

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or for the rest of the session

ruby dagger Jan 23, 2025, 3:24 AM

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Yea

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 3:24 AM

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there is no possible way that could be intended

ruby dagger Jan 23, 2025, 3:24 AM

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That's what I liked abt it

smoky current Jan 23, 2025, 3:30 AM

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to each their own ig lol

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butteryyyy

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i dont wanna take screenshots

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im cry

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 3:30 AM

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considering how sinister the later cues sound and the fact that you basically never get to hear them in game because of this bug

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i would argue it's not silent because it's unsettling

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lol

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anyways im pretty adamant this is a bug and if anything it's so minor it doesn't need to be a config setting

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you dont hear music if you are inside the building or the ship when it's supposed to play

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and time of day cues don't play inside of things either

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only when the clock is visible

smoky current Jan 23, 2025, 3:31 AM

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wonder if it owuld be hard to make a music slider plugin that just goes on the options menu

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i kinda wanna try that

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 3:31 AM

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and the only thing we know for certain is meant to play more than once is the company visit music

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since he has code specifically hooked up to do that, that just no longer works because he removed the hours system

olive maple Jan 23, 2025, 7:42 PM

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Ooughhh new legal company update….

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I have no idea what it is……

trim breach Jan 23, 2025, 7:56 PM

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i accidentally uploaded it under the wrong name

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it's just client-side changes that my friends use

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on our profile

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i don't recommend using it and i will offer absolutely no support for it

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but like

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it's there now, i suppose

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Lol

thorn breach Jan 24, 2025, 8:36 AM

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@trim breach i wonder if this is something you'd be interested in

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me and zaggy were looking into navmesh areas and their costs

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turns out the trap navmesharea cost is 3 times higher than other areas

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and in spike trap, it has this navmeshmodifier+volume but this seems like a mistake

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like, this wont really matter to the enemy when pathing through it

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but something of this size might actually get the enemy pathing differently

trim breach Jan 24, 2025, 8:03 PM

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that is weird

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im not sure how safe it is to change this in a clientside mod

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my guess is it's "probably ok"

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since only one client controls each navmeshagent

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and as long as i dont change the surface it shouldnt change how random obstacles spawn with the given map seed

smoky current Jan 24, 2025, 9:48 PM

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trim breach im not sure how safe it is to change this in a clientside mod

butteryfixes is clientside?

trim breach Jan 24, 2025, 9:53 PM

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@smoky current yes, it is client side

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it has a few server-side changes that only require the host to install it

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and several more than indiviudal clients can use

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but none of them require all clients to have the mod installed simultaneously

smoky current Jan 24, 2025, 9:56 PM

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that's kinda swag

eternal lantern Jan 24, 2025, 10:43 PM

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In the changelog it mentions unclamping forest keepers sight timers. Is that the bug where giants “stealth meter” doesn’t decrease unless they’re looking at a different player?

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FairGiants also fixes this and I was wondering if I should turn that off in FairGiants config.

trim breach Jan 24, 2025, 10:43 PM

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no

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i fixed the overflow

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where if a giant is watching other players, your sight timer can go down into the negatives

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or, more problematically, it going far above 100% while a giant is chasing you

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meaning it needs to watch other players for a really long time to forget about you

eternal lantern Jan 24, 2025, 10:46 PM

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Okay thank you

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I don’t think FairGiants fixes that anyway so both mods work pretty well together

smoky current Jan 27, 2025, 4:41 AM

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this can be fixed by adding blockers to the railing im pretty sure

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but idk if this would fit in BF

eternal lantern Jan 27, 2025, 8:44 AM

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ButteryFixes is client side right? You probably can’t change that on a client side mod.

hollow fable Jan 27, 2025, 10:03 AM

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ButteryFixes has some host only features

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It could be possible?

paper garden Jan 27, 2025, 10:04 AM

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It's a mod that not everyone is required to have

hollow fable Jan 27, 2025, 10:05 AM

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-_- I know that

paper garden Jan 27, 2025, 10:06 AM

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I would assume something like this would make it not

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but what do I know

hollow fable Jan 27, 2025, 10:09 AM

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Only modders will know if that's possible client-side

eternal lantern Jan 27, 2025, 10:29 AM

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hollow fable Only modders will know if that's possible client-side

I haven’t made a mod which changes anything to do with the map or monsters, but I think it’s a very fair assumption that it doesn’t work client sided.

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Maybe for host only, but only people who have made that kind of mod would know.

hollow fable Jan 27, 2025, 10:52 AM

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Sry, I meant host only

gilded lintel Jan 27, 2025, 12:35 PM

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I got a "[Warning:Buttery Fixes] Error occurred while despawning spike trap (could not find network object, or it was not network spawned yet)" .. is this normal?

trim breach Jan 27, 2025, 2:33 PM

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yeah that is fine

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weird that it popped up

trim breach Jan 27, 2025, 2:34 PM

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eternal lantern ButteryFixes is client side right? You probably can’t change that on a client si...

i havent tested the waters on this yet

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changing navmesh on individual clients

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but i feel at least sorta confident it would work

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as long as it happens inside the building only

hollow fable Jan 31, 2025, 3:31 PM

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Minor request: Change the typo from the default suit to match others. The tooltip just says "Change suit", while the others use "Change: (name) suit", it could be "Change: Orange suit" or "Change: Decoy suit" (kinda lame)

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 3:54 PM

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lol i have no idea where "decoy suit" comes from

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i saw it on the wiki back in like december 2023 and figured it must be based on something

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but it's definitely not

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it's just called the Orange suit

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but anyways sure

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i could do that

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what do we think is better?

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should it say "Change suit" until you have 2+ suits

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at which point it'll be "Change: Orange suit" next to whatever else you have on the rack

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or should it just be "Change: Orange suit" by default

hollow fable Jan 31, 2025, 4:20 PM

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the latter seems better and easier

lilac adder Jan 31, 2025, 5:16 PM

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For the first idea Maybe not show "change suit" till you have 2+ suits cuz that doesnt make sense

smoky current Jan 31, 2025, 5:55 PM

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trim breach should it say "Change suit" until you have 2+ suits

eh

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seems pointless to me

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maybe it shouldnt display anything tbf xp

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but idk if theres bugs that give you a different suit when you dont have any unlocked

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so

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 5:55 PM

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the more i thought about it the more i think it's probably intended to just say "Change: Orange suit" all the time

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and it's just a bug that they don't

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on challenge moons you start with only the purple suit and it says "Change: Purple suit"

smoky current Jan 31, 2025, 5:56 PM

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i have this mod that changes it to say decoy suit but i have no idea why its called that

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i just have it so its at least consistent

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 5:56 PM

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idk the wiki says that it's called that but i have no idea where people got that idea

smoky current Jan 31, 2025, 5:56 PM

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classic lc wiki

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 5:56 PM

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maybe it was called the decoy suit in some old version because it was unlocked from the start and never appeared in the store

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but at least in the current version (and all versions to my memory) it's been the "Orange suit"

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 6:01 PM

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trim breach and it's just a bug that they don't

to clarify this

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the text gets changed in UnlockableSuit.Update() when suitID gets matched to syncedSuitID.Value (a networked variable)

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this will happen pretty much immediately after purchasing the suits

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i assume it's just in Update() in case of netlag

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but anyways

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the reason it doesn't work for the orange suit is because suitID defaults to 0 (as an integer)

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and the orange suit is the unlockable located at index 0, since it was the first one zeekerss added to the game

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so it spawns in already matching the eventual syncedSuitID value it would normally be assigned

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and thus the code to update its text never happens

calm bobcat Jan 31, 2025, 6:04 PM

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speaking of suits, do you know what the bee suit's texture file name is? (I've been looking but I can only find the pajama suit)

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 6:10 PM

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orange suit (brown suit in v65): ScavengerPlayerModel
green suit: ScavengerSuitGreen
hazard suit: ScavengerSuitYellow
pajama suit: SuitPajamas
purple suit: ScavengerSuitPurple
bee suit: ScavengerPlayerModelBee
bunny suit: ScavengerPlayerModelBunny

also ScavengerSuitBurnt for the old bird ragdoll

calm bobcat Jan 31, 2025, 6:12 PM

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ohhh

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thats why

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its Scavenger

smoky current Jan 31, 2025, 6:15 PM

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i wish there was a nyaa kitty cat suit

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with whiskers

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 6:17 PM

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i want a glow in the dark skeleton suit

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it's part of more suits (cool) but i hate that mod and also it has mt dew tanks for some reason

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because it's funny

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or something

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probably

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anyways the bee and bunny suit have opened the doors for more creative suits and i hope to see some

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collecting suits is my favorite part of the run because im the weirdo

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and the only thing we have in the way of "more official suits" right now is the brown suit

meager estuary Jan 31, 2025, 6:46 PM

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ButterySuits mod coming soon??

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 6:56 PM

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probably not but use https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ButteryStancakes/ClassicSuitRestoration/

Thunderstore

ClassicSuitRestoration v2.1.0

Adds an additional suit similar to the brown suits in the game's announcement teaser.

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it's for all the suit enthusiasts out there

hazy goblet Jan 31, 2025, 7:34 PM

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Man i just want a mod that restores the birthday suit on the anniversary

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Unless it’s been completely ripped from the game never to see the light of day again

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 7:43 PM

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hazy goblet Man i just want a mod that restores the birthday suit on the anniversary

i just linked you one

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Lol

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you can either enable the party hats all the time or they will automatically enable themselves on the day of the anniversary

hazy goblet Jan 31, 2025, 7:46 PM

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Oh

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Huh

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I thought that mod was like

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Everyone has to have it

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Right?

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Cuz it’s a suit that does exist in the game already just it isn’t useable by normal means so

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Right??

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So i assssummeee it’s host only? robloxkid ?

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 7:48 PM

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no everyone needs the mod

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otherwise it'll show up as an orange suit clone

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and might cause bugs

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probably will* cause bugs

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 7:49 PM

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hazy goblet Cuz it’s a suit that does exist in the game already just it isn’t useable by nor...

and no, he replaced the normal suit texture with it in v65

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and then replaced it again with the orange suit in v66

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and removed the party hat

hazy goblet Jan 31, 2025, 7:49 PM

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killeveryone

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 7:49 PM

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the assets have to be modded back in

hazy goblet Jan 31, 2025, 7:49 PM

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7708ybangry2

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oh well lmao

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A request change i think would be neat is to have some more options for the game’s resolution

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 7:53 PM

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well, i only put it in this mod because the two options i enable are in the original game, just unused

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if you want other settings im pretty sure LCUltrawide Community is the mod everyone recommends for that

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just set my mod's config to "DontChange"

hazy goblet Jan 31, 2025, 7:54 PM

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Yo sick

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Ty

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robloxkid

ionic lion Jan 31, 2025, 8:28 PM

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trim breach well, i only put it in this mod because the two options i enable are in the orig...

not usused

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 8:28 PM

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unused in the main game

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and they existed before the cutscenes did

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on that note

ionic lion Jan 31, 2025, 9:23 PM

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yeah

smoky current Jan 31, 2025, 10:40 PM

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skibidi

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TulipSmile

calm bobcat Jan 31, 2025, 10:40 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/watermelonwtf-swampwatermelon-gif-236320417705483204

Tenor

ionic lion Jan 31, 2025, 10:41 PM

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Legs

smoky current Jan 31, 2025, 10:41 PM

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ionic lion <:Legs:761666541477036103>

skbi toi let

ionic lion Jan 31, 2025, 10:42 PM

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calm bobcat https://tenor.com/view/watermelonwtf-swampwatermelon-gif-236320417705483204

stil water…

smoky current Jan 31, 2025, 10:42 PM

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+10000 aura

meager estuary Jan 31, 2025, 10:42 PM

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ionic lion yeah

Why is there a Skibidi Tulip emoji 😭

smoky current Jan 31, 2025, 10:42 PM

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TulipSkibidi

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max skibi aura 😭

ionic lion Jan 31, 2025, 10:42 PM

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meager estuary Why is there a Skibidi Tulip emoji 😭

my fault!

meager estuary Jan 31, 2025, 10:42 PM

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agony

smoky current Jan 31, 2025, 10:43 PM

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im gonna stop before buttery crucifies me

summer falcon Jan 31, 2025, 11:00 PM

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Hi Buttery,

not sure what but something is conflicting (afaik only on the host) with your FireExit rotation fix. I host the game, my friends all join, they say they face forward no problems as they use the fire exit, but for me, im always facing the fire exit, we use the same profile (shared via code) and i just re-imported using the code to a new profile and still get the bug.

I have made a test profile , and getting no issues, so its a mod conflict.. will try to narrow it down later but i dont have time right this second so figured id share the information incase its something obvious.

according to the log, the fix is "happening", but im not being turned (or being turned twice, i d k).

📎 message.txt

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profile code where i have the issue .. 0194be98-205f-cd9f-c5a9-1abfabe29ff1

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 11:09 PM

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having a log would be most helpful

eternal lantern Jan 31, 2025, 11:14 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054684943336349716/1307421730997928027/caption.gif

summer falcon Jan 31, 2025, 11:15 PM

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trim breach having a log would be most helpful

you mean this log?
#1245891961966170204 message

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Gale Debug info = mods + logs in one.

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 11:17 PM

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oh i see

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discord preview didnt show so i thought it was just a mod list

summer falcon Jan 31, 2025, 11:18 PM

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trim breach discord preview didnt show so i thought it was just a mod list

yeah, i realised, i keep forgetting myself xD thats why i clarified

trim breach Jan 31, 2025, 11:18 PM

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hmm

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not really what i expected

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you are correct that your logs seem to suggest it would be fine

summer falcon Jan 31, 2025, 11:33 PM

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trim breach you are correct that your logs seem to suggest it would be fine

as i said, ill try to narrow it down after my session with my friends, try and work out which mod is causing it so you can look at it.

summer falcon Feb 1, 2025, 3:10 AM

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well RIP... apparantly its a conflict with my own mod (only the latest patch though x.x) i dont understand what though...

0194bf77-0839-0c7e-2071-e3558555a9c7

v0.4.4 of LI is breaking it, v0.4.3 of LI and its fine.

i just dont see any changes i made in v0.4.4 that would lead to me stopping a player being rotated :S and it only affects the host.. not the client.. i loaded client + host, client rotates fine, host doesnt.
https://github.com/VirusTLNR/LethalIntelligence/compare/1ecb0a9..b07c981

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:19 AM

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summer falcon well RIP... apparantly its a conflict with my own mod (only the latest patch tho...

        [HarmonyPatch(typeof(RoundManager), "SetExitIDs")]
        [HarmonyPostfix]
        static void PostSetExitIDs(RoundManager __instance)
        {
            if (Configuration.fixFireExits.Value)
            {
                foreach (EntranceTeleport entranceTeleport in Object.FindObjectsByType<EntranceTeleport>(FindObjectsSortMode.None))
                {
                    if (entranceTeleport.entranceId > 0 && !entranceTeleport.isEntranceToBuilding)
                    {
                        entranceTeleport.entrancePoint.localRotation = Quaternion.Euler(entranceTeleport.entrancePoint.localEulerAngles.x, entranceTeleport.entrancePoint.localEulerAngles.y + 180f, entranceTeleport.entrancePoint.localEulerAngles.z);
                        Plugin.Logger.LogInfo("Fixed rotation of internal fire exit");
                    }
                }
            }
        }

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as long as you dont interfere with this function

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it should work

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obviously a long shot but is there any chance that you are possibly are preventing SetExitIDs from being run?

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that's the function that assigns the entrance teleports their IDs, so you'd probably run into other more major issues if you were interrupting it

summer falcon Feb 1, 2025, 3:21 AM

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AH.

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but this still makes no sense.

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:21 AM

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like, if SetExitIDs doesn't run, i'm pretty sure it will just complain that the entrances were blocked

summer falcon Feb 1, 2025, 3:22 AM

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so, as something i did before 0.4.4, i am calling SetExitID's early...

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but the issue only occurs in 0.4.4

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private static void earlyCallSetExitIDs()
        {
            float startTime = Time.timeSinceLevelLoad;
            while (RoundManager.FindMainEntrancePosition(false, false) == Vector3.zero && Time.timeSinceLevelLoad - startTime < 15f)
            {
                new WaitForSeconds(1f);
            }
            Vector3 mep = RoundManager.FindMainEntrancePosition(false, false);
            RoundManager.Instance.SetExitIDs(mep);
        }

this is all im doing...

so i think i understand the issue.. x.x

my code is only running on the host. im calling it early because i need the ID's to be set before i run my code... so its running TWICE on the host. meaning i assume... its rotating (your code) twice.

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:26 AM

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that would make sense

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yes

summer falcon Feb 1, 2025, 3:27 AM

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let me relook at what i did in 0.4.4.. but it doesnt make sense why only 0.4.4 is breaking it x.x

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yeah, from what i can tell, the code calling that hasnt changed since 0.3.8?

yet 0.3.8-0.4.3 work fine. x.x

ill maybe add a post fix to the setting of the ID's and see how many times it runs.. cause.. i dont get it.

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yeah, it seems thats the issue, still dont get why it doesnt run twice on v0.4.3

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ok, 0.4.3 DOES call it twice.. for some reason though it doesnt break it, when 0.4.4 does, ill look at making it run only once for 0.4.5.. or somehow get around calling it early.

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:46 AM

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imo

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you are probably asking for trouble with other mods if you are re-calling a vanilla function that normally only gets called a set number of times

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there could be any number of other mods conflicting with that

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the function in setexitIDs is quite simple and the safest bet for you is probably to just copy its logic completely into a custom function that you call early on the host as needed

summer falcon Feb 1, 2025, 3:47 AM

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yeah i think when i called it, i thought it wouldent re-call.

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:48 AM

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but that is only my perspective

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:48 AM

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trim breach you are probably asking for trouble with other mods if you are re-calling a vani...

in fairness i have been guilty of this before

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yesfox v1.1, for example, has to generate and delete weeds multiple times when landing on a moon for the first time to calculate spots where weeds should be allowed to grow (since some AI nodes don't support spawning enough weeds for the fox to appear)

summer falcon Feb 1, 2025, 3:48 AM

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in fairness, i normally wouldent do it xD i wanted it to run only once, just didnt realise it would run a second time.

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:49 AM

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trim breach yesfox v1.1, for example, has to generate and delete weeds multiple times when l...

and i thought that would be fine, since yesfox is pretty much the only mod re-implementing vain shrouds, and pretty much has free reign over that function

summer falcon Feb 1, 2025, 3:49 AM

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im just going to try and postfix SetExitIDs itself.. and test.. and pray that it doesnt interfere with what im trying to do.

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:49 AM

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except that i accidentally fucked up dopadream's snowy weeds mod which caused an awful memory leak

Thunderstore

SnowyWeeds v1.3.4

Makes Vain Shrouds a bluish white on snowy moons.

summer falcon Feb 1, 2025, 3:50 AM

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ouch xD

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:50 AM

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because every time i generated weeds, it would assign all of those weeds a new material, then i'd delete all of the new weeds and generate new ones again

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technically this memory leak was an issue before and would show up after enough playtime, but it got like 10x worse because yesfox 1.1 was causing this mod's patches to be called way more frequently than it would normally

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normally just once per landing

summer falcon Feb 1, 2025, 4:21 AM

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well ive now basically replicated the function (like i normally do), just thought in this case i couldent, but it seems to be working and doing the same as the vanilla code..

i teleport on host and client through each fire exit on march, and they all lead to the same places, so i think thats conclusive proof its working.. so ill push that in my next update, and thankfully.. i seem to be the first person who noticed (well.. reported..) it.. xD thanks for the help.

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 4:23 AM

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sure

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glad it's working now

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 4:25 AM

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summer falcon well ive now basically replicated the function (like i normally do), just though...

and they all lead to the same places
regarding this... Object.FindObjectsOfType sorts by instance ID, and all clients run the same dungeon generation algorithm with the same seed

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so it makes sense that the scene load + dungeon generation should be instantiating all the entrance teleports in the same order

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and it's probably pretty safe to assume those won't get re-ordered at any point

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also, even if they were getting re-ordered, it would cause issues with vanilla's function since it has no safeties for ordering :p

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i think you're probably pretty good

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on that front

summer falcon Feb 1, 2025, 4:28 AM

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trim breach and it's probably pretty safe to assume those won't get re-ordered at any point

yeah, it orders them by distance to the main entrance.. i just worried by running my own code, it would do something different, so when i looked it for some other dumb reason, i thought it wouldent run again, but uh yeah, as per usual, the good old "replicate and ignore the vanilla code" method works.

daring steeple Feb 1, 2025, 5:42 AM

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trim breach and it's probably pretty safe to assume those won't get re-ordered at any point

Worth mentioning with vanilla and/or lll the entrance id’s should be constant regardless if you need that

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It should be ordered as you mentioned but in the event they aren’t

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 7:28 AM

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Apparently meteors turning you into a masked corpse upon death is a bug, but I doubt that considering how specific it is

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If ButteryFixes ever fixes it, please make it an option

kindred wraith Feb 1, 2025, 2:19 PM

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oh so decoy suit is actually fake ?

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 3:48 PM

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ruby dagger Apparently meteors turning you into a masked corpse upon death is a bug, but I d...

meteors did that?

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:55 PM

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someone told me that

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before

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but im pretty sure that is just completely wrong

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meteors have no unique kill behavior

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they are just a gigantic explosion

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like from a landmine

thorn breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:56 PM

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most if not all explosions just call landmine static method right?

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 3:56 PM

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yes

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it would just spawn the default explosion ragdoll (which is just the default ragdoll iirc)

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butteryfixes has a little bit of a hack to spawn burnt bodies from explosions

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but i dont actually replace the ragdoll prefab

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i just reskin the suit on the body that gets spawned

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and spawn the smoke particles separately

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 4:13 PM

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trim breach but im pretty sure that is just completely wrong

I’ve actually had this happen as well on several occasions

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 4:17 PM

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well

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then let me try and put this to bed

eternal lantern Feb 1, 2025, 4:36 PM

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I can confirm it, I’ve seen it happen firsthand.

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 4:41 PM

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i guess im wrong then

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there must be a kill trigger on the prefab or something

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anyways

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 4:54 PM

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trim breach but im pretty sure that is just completely wrong

me and my big mouth

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i will fix this in the next update

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which should be pretty soon, most likely today

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i've had it ready for a bit (it's small) but i was holding on to it in case anything else cropped up

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and something has, obviously, cropped up

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 5:36 PM

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Ayy finally getting it fixed

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The first time I encountered it, it caught me SO off guard

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I was on Titan iirc testing something and got hit

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And was on singleplayer I think

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 5:37 PM

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yeah sorry for not exercising proper due diligence last time

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 5:37 PM

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And saw like half a second of me as a mask

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And was SO confused

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 5:37 PM

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it is just one of those bugs that is so crazy specific it is hard to believe

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but you were totally right the whole time

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lmfao

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 5:37 PM

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Yeah you’re good!

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No worries

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It’s such a minor (and comically specific/weird) issue

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 5:37 PM

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pretty sure zeekerss just made a typo, he gave the meteor's crushing trigger death animation 5

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in comparison, death animation 6 would spawn an empty burnt suit (like the old bird's blowtorch)

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and probably is what he meant to enter

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 5:38 PM

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Ahhhh yep

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I do wish he was more diligent with bug fixes

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Especially since pretty much every bugfix/performance mod is open source and the devs would likely gladly assist him with stuff

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I’m hoping the next big Lethal update has quite a few fixes

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Especially since it’ll presumably be the end of early access and add a nice bit of content

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 5:51 PM

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speaking of corpse fixes

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i ran into this one by accident last time i played with my friends

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so i'll be able to address this too

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 5:51 PM

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Okay but that’s so funny

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 5:52 PM

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hearty shale Especially since it’ll presumably be the end of early access and add a nice bit ...

im not sure it'll necessarily be the end of early access

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 5:52 PM

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Spider respects the drip

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 5:52 PM

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i kind of expect we have more content updates in the pipeline, i think he was just losing interest in working on the game without a clear vision of the ending

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 5:52 PM

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I feel like i recall Zeekerss hinting that it might be in a patreon update a while back, but it may have been that he was just stating it won’t leave until he gets the ending done, not that it’ll leave WHEN he gets the ending done

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 5:52 PM

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there's a lot that i imagine will change with the big bad drill update, and i think most people are under the impression that's going to be the big update that leaves early access

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iirc he was wanting a break because if he didn't take a break

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he'd just rush to get the ending done and stop working on the game

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 5:53 PM

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Yeah

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And he said he plans to support the game even after it leaves

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 5:53 PM

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and that sort of phrasing implies, to me, he wants to do more general content updates before that point

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but that's just my interpretation

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 5:54 PM

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hearty shale Spider respects the drip

meanwhile the barbers turn your legs orange in vanilla no matter what suit you wear

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no respect

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multi tasking

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also embrion manor is funny

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the spider launched me into the ceiling from ground floor when it webbed me

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 6:01 PM

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trim breach i guess im wrong then

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 7:32 PM

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trim breach i will fix this in the next update

Will it be optionable?

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:32 PM

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no

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 7:33 PM

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Time to not update ButteryFixes then, lord

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:33 PM

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okay

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you are free to do as you wish, but "meteors spawn tragedy masks on players that they kill" is completely impossible to justify as anything other than a bug and i don't see any reason why it needs to be configurable

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 7:36 PM

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ye dont make it a toggle

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pointless config bloat

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narpy can just stay on the previous version forever

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:36 PM

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i guess so

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 7:43 PM

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smoky current pointless config bloat

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/993602951883018264/1051588431941210162/a_a2128dca7c84a5bebf76637e479e5e7e-1.gif

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:47 PM

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having a giant config is a genuine concern of mine

thorn breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:48 PM

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the bigger the better they said...

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:48 PM

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i've tried to limit it to the options that matter most for gameplay

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and outside of being practically 110% a bug

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there is no gameplay effect from meteor showers spawning burnt corpse instead of tragedy corpses

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 7:49 PM

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Can’t it not be aesthetic? It’s interesting that meteors turned you into masked, but nobody else sees it that way, only as another bug

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:49 PM

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chameleon has set a precedent of everything being configurable because it's a lot of big features bundled together

pine kestrel Feb 1, 2025, 7:50 PM

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Oh no!

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:50 PM

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but butteryfixes is a ton of extremely minute changes across so many things that if everything were configurable, the config would be completely unwieldy

dense oriole Feb 1, 2025, 7:50 PM

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ruby dagger Will it be optionable?

clearly we need the meteors to make players have the coil head dead body

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https://tenor.com/view/good-oye-oye-dou-dou-cute-cat-funny-cat-gif-2273443150881237369

Tenor

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 7:50 PM

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True

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:51 PM

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ruby dagger Can’t it not be aesthetic? It’s interesting that meteors turned you into masked,...

it's only interesting because it's a super bizarre result of something that is still obviously a bug

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why would being crushed by a meteor spawn a tragedy mask on your face

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from a technical standpoint, the only reason this occurs is because the kill trigger on the meteor

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(damage type Crushing, dying to masks is either Suffocation if it was an item or Strangulation if it was an enemy)

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has a death animation value of 5, and the Tragedy corpse's ID is 5

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it's extremely likely zeekerss just made a typo when entering a value of 6, since that spawns the burnt corpse

small lichen Feb 1, 2025, 7:54 PM

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Buttery is just fixing things Zeekers made a mistake on lol. I'm sure sometime in the far future it will be fixed in vanilla and gone forever.

thorn breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:54 PM

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its funny that causes of death is an enum, death animation is an int, and their links are very confusing

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:55 PM

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small lichen Buttery is just fixing things Zeekers made a mistake on lol. I'm sure sometime i...

this has been the case before, on that note

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i fixed the cruiser killing old birds in some turbo old version of the mod

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and it got pushback so i made it a config option

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in the very next update to the basegame zeekerss fixed it himself so i removed the config

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and iirc it still got pushback even though the setting was functionally useless anyway

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obviously very little of the changes i have made are 100% objective, and it's impossible i havent made at least 1 change that zeekerss wouldn't make himself if he was aware of it

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and it's pretty likely at least one of those changes isn't in the config

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but i can almost guarantee there is no way he intentionally made meteors spawn tragedy corpses

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and it's such a rare occurrence, with consequences that are purely visual, that I just don't think there is value in adding it to the config

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and so that is where i sit

thorn breach Feb 1, 2025, 7:59 PM

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trim breach and iirc it still got pushback even though the setting was functionally useless ...

life of a modder, this is usually just how it is lol

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:01 PM

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the only thing I've ever disliked that butteryfixes adds is the uh

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item interact spam thingy

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where you could spam hair dryers

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:02 PM

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my ears are thankful

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:03 PM

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smoky current my ears are thankful

bro hates fun!!!

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idk i just do not understand why that was seen as a bug (though it's probably like, something in the code was meant to stop the items from doing that but bleh)

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:03 PM

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jolly raven bro hates fun!!!

i hate having my ears destroyed in orbit

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:03 PM

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they also could only be spammed like, 5 times cuz they'd run out of battery but to each their own ig

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:03 PM

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smoky current i hate having my ears destroyed in orbit

get better friends dawg

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if the problem's that bad I think you just need to talk to whoever you play abt it

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:04 PM

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its not

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because i have a mod that fixes it

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xp

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 8:04 PM

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jolly raven where you could spam hair dryers

Wtf

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:04 PM

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booo

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 8:05 PM

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I thought GeneralImprovements fixed that

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Why is this literally not an option, it unnecessarily removes fun from the game 💔

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:05 PM

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bro just won't let me stim in peace gadayum..

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:05 PM

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ruby dagger Why is this literally not an option, it unnecessarily removes fun from the game ...

i know right!!! i like stimming w items . . .

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:05 PM

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i just have silly friends who like to spam buttons, who doesnt, mean of you to assume i need better ones

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 8:05 PM

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Not like there are alternatives to ButteryFixes, which is why I’m so frustrated with these two changes

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:05 PM

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not that deep bro

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:06 PM

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smoky current i just have silly friends who like to spam buttons, who doesnt, mean of you to a...

not what the statement meant, didn't intend for you to take it that literally xd

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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u literally said get better friends how else am i supposed to take that loll

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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all im saying is if the problem is actually really that bad you could just, yknow talk to them, I don't see why that was seen as a bug (cuz it's a fixes mod, not like a qol mod or whatever)

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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that seems pretty black and white to me

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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smoky current u literally said get better friends how else am i supposed to take that loll

it's a figure of speech bud

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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on what planet

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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Mars

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:07 PM

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🤷

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if you wanna think it's that deep then go ahead

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we're talking about spamming a button in what world would I take it that seriously

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:08 PM

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im just saying ur wording could be better

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that's all

jolly raven Feb 1, 2025, 8:14 PM

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you got the point which is what mattered, like I said I didn't intend for you to either take offense or take literally cuz the subject matter is like, super dumb and I wasn't even suuper complaining about it, it was all in good fun

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sorry you took it that way! I'll be better 👍

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 8:14 PM

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smoky current on what planet

No Service

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 8:16 PM

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hearty shale No Service

Ok Big Grinian

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:16 PM

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jolly raven idk i just do not understand why that was seen as a bug (though it's probably li...

most similar items have an interaction cooldown set (such as the cash register and the two horns)

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 8:16 PM

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Oh thank god someone got it

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:17 PM

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the hairdryer had the default which makes me think he probably forgot to set it manually

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and also the sound effect of the hairdryer is turning on/turning off

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so it stacking just inherently does not make sense

ruby dagger Feb 1, 2025, 8:17 PM

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trim breach so it stacking just inherently does not make sense

But it’s fun

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:17 PM

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smoky current i hate having my ears destroyed in orbit

but also it was mainly this

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maybe so

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 8:18 PM

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Yeah while technically objective, it likely isn’t meant to be stacked bc that’s not how hairdryers work

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:18 PM

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i am sympathetic to that but i am not empathetic to it

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Lol

mighty ivy Feb 1, 2025, 8:18 PM

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This mod has a low, high and vanilla option for game resolution.

Is there any possibility to have a resolution that's between vanilla and low?

Im trying HDlethalcompany and the resolution remains unchanged ni matter the value i try.

Eitherway very good mod. Thanks for making it.

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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use LCUltraWideCommunity

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or whatever

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HD lc is bad dont use it

mighty ivy Feb 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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But i dont have an ultra wide monitor

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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HDLethalCompany
Found the issue

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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doesnt matter

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neither do i

mighty ivy Feb 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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smoky current HD lc is bad dont use it

Fair enough

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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but it works for setting resolutions

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it has a config

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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Yeah the name is misleading

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:19 PM

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i mean not really

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it adds native ultrawide support

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out of the box

mighty ivy Feb 1, 2025, 8:20 PM

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I tried to use hdlethal to lower game resolution

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:20 PM

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but it has additional functionality that being setting manual resolutions

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:20 PM

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the resolution setting in this mod is just a tiny bonus

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since i discovered they existed in the game, just unused

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if you want better support, lcultrawide community is probably your best choice

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 8:21 PM

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Automatically scales the game to the native equivalent of any resolution/aspect ratio

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:21 PM

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and i made sure the DontChange setting wouldnt interfere with those

hearty shale Feb 1, 2025, 8:21 PM

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With further changes done through config

mighty ivy Feb 1, 2025, 8:21 PM

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trim breach the resolution setting in this mod is just a tiny bonus

A great one too, fits the artstyle but i thought if i could have one between the vanilla and the "low" that your mod offers, for better visibility.

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:21 PM

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dontchange is default right?

mighty ivy Feb 1, 2025, 8:21 PM

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Yea

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:21 PM

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yes

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:21 PM

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cool

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:21 PM

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low quality has a noticeable impact on visuals

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high quality has a noticeable impact on performance

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best to just let players decide

mighty ivy Feb 1, 2025, 8:22 PM

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Low quality makes for great desktop background if you use no visor and no hud

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:23 PM

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if my pc was working id have made an invisible hands mod by now

mighty ivy Feb 1, 2025, 8:23 PM

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You're saying that low option is hidden in the game itself and unused?

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:23 PM

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yes

mighty ivy Feb 1, 2025, 8:23 PM

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smoky current if my pc was working id have made an invisible hands mod by now

But i love my hands please don't take them away from me

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:23 PM

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mighty ivy You're saying that low option is hidden in the game itself and unused?

i think its used in one of the cutscenes

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and high is used in another

mighty ivy Feb 1, 2025, 8:23 PM

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I see

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:23 PM

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low is used in the v50 intro and high in the v60 intro

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but im almost certain both existed beforehand

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:24 PM

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they did yes?

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:24 PM

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high definitely existed before v60 at least

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:24 PM

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didnt bf have the option before that

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:24 PM

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BF didnt exist before v50 iirc

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:24 PM

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wtf

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im tweaking

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:24 PM

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but it did before v60 yeah

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:24 PM

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i thought it existed in v49

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:27 PM

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i dont think so

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but idk

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its been a while in any case

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:31 PM

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smoky current i thought it existed in v49

bf v1 was may 31st which would have been long after v50

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which released right before april fools, iirc

smoky current Feb 1, 2025, 8:33 PM

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trim breach bf v1 was may 31st which would have been long after v50

trim breach Feb 1, 2025, 8:33 PM

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smoky current

really quite soft

paper garden Feb 1, 2025, 8:42 PM

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v50 full release was april 13th

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bf was between v50 v55

trim breach Feb 3, 2025, 10:56 PM

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@radiant nymph i am looking at caching vehiclecontroller in the next update

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given that diffoz is on indefinite hiatus

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i feel like it really belongs elsewhere since butteryfixes is not primarily a performance mod

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but i dont feel like making a PR and i definitely dont feel like making a separate mod

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so hopefully someone will pick this issue up and put it somewhere it belongs better in the future

radiant nymph Feb 3, 2025, 10:59 PM

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trim breach <@165179734194520073> i am looking at caching vehiclecontroller in the next upda...

lunxara_love_with_tail

trim breach Feb 3, 2025, 11:03 PM

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[Debug  :Buttery Fixes] Transpiler (BushWolfEnemy.Update): Cache Cruiser script
[Debug  :Buttery Fixes] Transpiler (ClipboardItem.Update): Cache Cruiser script
[Debug  :Buttery Fixes] Transpiler (ForestGiantAI.OnCollideWithPlayer): Cache Cruiser script
[Debug  :Buttery Fixes] Transpiler (Landmine.SpawnExplosion): Cache Cruiser script
[Debug  :Buttery Fixes] Transpiler (MouthDogAI.OnCollideWithPlayer): Cache Cruiser script
[Debug  :Buttery Fixes] Transpiler (SprayPaintItem.TrySprayingWeedKillerBottle): Cache Cruiser script
[Debug  :Buttery Fixes] Transpiler (StartOfRound.SyncShipUnlockablesClientRpc): Cache Cruiser script
[Debug  :Buttery Fixes] Transpiler (Terminal.LoadNewNodeIfAffordable): Cache Cruiser script

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probably the kidnapper fox is the only one that has a major effect

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since that is causing massive framelag when the fox is grappling players

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but SpawnExplosion is called by every single source of explosions

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meteors, old bird rockets, even easter eggs

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so it will probably help with lag spikes during those as well

hollow fable Feb 4, 2025, 1:22 AM

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it's really stupid but some suits uses Change suit: (Name) suit and others uses Change suit: (Name) Suit (Purple, Bee and Bunny)

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I shall curse everyone who read this Trollface

meager estuary Feb 4, 2025, 1:27 AM

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agony

trim breach Feb 4, 2025, 5:12 AM

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hi

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please go get mask fixes https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1336202685317120060

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i moved some stuff out of buttery fixes into that plugin

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and included more fixes

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more stuff to come in the future

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thanks everyone

meager estuary Feb 4, 2025, 6:10 AM

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Sounds good

gilded lintel Feb 5, 2025, 2:44 AM

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Hi Buttery, does the fixing of the flashlight errors in ButteryFixes clash with ReservedFlashlightSlot mod? The reserved mod turns off all other flashlights and laser pointers in your slots when you turn a new one On, seems to be working as expected with reserved (does indeed turn others off) but was wondering if you're aware of the reserved slot doing that

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 3:04 AM

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im not aware of any issues and i have a limited amount of experience using both together

eternal lantern Feb 5, 2025, 8:46 AM

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gilded lintel Hi Buttery, does the fixing of the flashlight errors in ButteryFixes clash with ...

They do work fine together, but if you want I think you can disable it in either mods configs

gilded lintel Feb 5, 2025, 1:03 PM

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I've removed ReservedSlot mods as I just prefer more "vanilla" slots with HotbarPlus, however I have noticed something interesting with your flashlight fixes in ButteryFixes compared to vanilla (and without ReservedSlots)

to re-create this test:
be in a game with at least 1 other player
buy 2 flashlights for 1 person (for me I tested the Host having these 2 flashlights)
turn on 1st flashlight then scroll to your 2nd flashlight so it is in your hand (Don't turn on 2nd flashlight)
have the Client observe the existence of the light beam from your 1st flashlight

in Vanilla:
Both the Host and the Client looking at the Host will not see the light beam
with ButteryFixes:
Host will still see the light beam, Client will not see the light beam

This can create some confusion since some players will think other players are walking around without a flashlight on, but they are.
This situation is not common though, since it requires someone having at least 2 flashlights and repeating the above steps, and you would normally give someone one of the flashlights if they do not have one, unless you're a big meanie Trollface

I'm not sure if this is specific to a Client looking at Host, or if vice versa results are the same, I can test that though if you need

Another side effect of this is if the player with 2 flashlights turns on both flashlights they will have both the beam from the flashlight in the hand and the beam from the "pocketed" flashlight simultaneously but the Client will only see 1 beam, this effect might keep stacking with even more flashlights but its hard to tell since the pocketed beams end up in the same position as each other (this is with ButteryFixes but it may explain some decisions made by Zeekerss here in vanilla)

hollow fable Feb 5, 2025, 1:12 PM

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I would also like to add something strange that happened with me atleast 3 times but i never reported because i didn't know butteryfixes fixed flashlights, but the pro-flashlight was on and with the light beam but without battery

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if you had it in hand it would light the way but if it was in the inventory it wouldn't

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I know that this happened once when my friend died with the flashlight and dropped at the floor

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The other occasion was dropping all scrap at the main entrance, which i dropped the flashlight because it was close to dying and then when I went back to the ship the flashlight was still on

gilded lintel Feb 5, 2025, 1:16 PM

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hollow fable I know that this happened once when my friend died with the flashlight and dropp...

do you use ReservedSlots as well? cause there is something else specific with dropping flashlights with that mod (as in dying or enemies making you drop your flashlight like the snare flea and man-eater growing up in your hands, not by you pressing G)

hollow fable Feb 5, 2025, 1:17 PM

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Nope, I'm mostly vanilla with a lot of QoL mods, bug fixes and minor changes

gilded lintel Feb 5, 2025, 1:18 PM

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hollow fable Nope, I'm mostly vanilla with a lot of QoL mods, bug fixes and minor changes

all good then, thought it might have been another issue

hollow fable Feb 5, 2025, 1:18 PM

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But I did have HotbarPlus at the time?

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I didn't use any extra slots

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And took it off because it had some weird shenanigans when moving between items in the inventory (weird hand movement)

hollow fable Feb 5, 2025, 1:21 PM

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hollow fable But I did have HotbarPlus at the time?

Now I'm using LightningItemSlot and ScrollFix instead

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 3:27 PM

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gilded lintel I've removed ReservedSlot mods as I just prefer more "vanilla" slots with Hotbar...

i updated the flashlight behavior to try and fix a vanilla bug

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if you have multiple flashlights in your inventory

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say, a pro flashlight and a laser pointer

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only one can display on your helmet at a time

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and the other will "turn off" but will stlil use up battery

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but my patch unintentionally caused problems where clients wouldn't be able to see pocketed flashlights at all

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(or something similar to that - the point is it didn't work right for clients)

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because some values that i reference would only be assigned properly on the host

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so basically, my patch only affects the local player

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you will see other players being subject to vanilla behavior

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because i don't think there is an extremely realistic & performant way to account for every player's inventory to properly track flashlight beams

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but it should work properly for your own flashlights in all cases

jade coral Feb 5, 2025, 11:08 PM

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Hi. I noticed the mod fixes some buggy behaviors from nutcrackers that would allow killing them easily. It's nice, but considering those bugs have been in the game for a while now and that they affect gameplay quite a lot, I wonder if it would be possible to get an option to disable the fixes?

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:13 PM

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normally i am willing to add options for these sorts of things but in the case of the nutcracker i don't think i will

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the dog jump cheese has an option, but you are also limited by your stamina in the original game when utilizing that technique, so it is not as major of an issue

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bee hives see a major dip in price when next to the ship and some people just aren't going to jive with those changes

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etc.

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but with the nutcracker it is just super lame and not fun that you can jump through a nutcracker while it's reloading and kill it without any danger to yourself

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there is no skill requirement or limiting mechanic there, like stamina with dogs

paper garden Feb 5, 2025, 11:14 PM

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Wasn't that fixed in vanilla?

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:14 PM

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no

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but i fixed it months ago

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probably in july or august, but it's in the changelog somewhere

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i don't remember exactly

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anyways

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the other major thing i fixed about nutcrackers is the soccer ball blocking their vision completely

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and im also not interested in adding a config option for that because it was a bug that used to apply to all enemies

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and zeekerss fixed it for all enemies except nutcrackers (since they use separate line-of-sight functions)

paper garden Feb 5, 2025, 11:15 PM

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Was it this

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:15 PM

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so i guarantee it would be fixed if he was made aware nutcrackers still exhibited the issue

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:15 PM

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paper garden Was it this

Yes

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:16 PM

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trim breach but with the nutcracker it is just super lame and not fun that you can jump thro...

anyways im pretty confident zeekerss would fix this too if he knew about it

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but that's a bit more of a gamble

ruby dagger Feb 5, 2025, 11:16 PM

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How would he not know about it?

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:16 PM

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how did he not know you could kill old birds with the cruiser in v55

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he didnt patch it in v56

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or any of the v56 hotfixes

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but he became aware of it at some point and fixed it because it's not a thing in v60 anymore

ruby dagger Feb 5, 2025, 11:17 PM

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I meant up until this point

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:17 PM

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just because it's an exploit he hasn't fixed in an update doesn't mean he knows about it and abides by it being in the game

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he fixed several other nutcracker cheeses

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like making them point their gun downwards if you crouch underneath their feet

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since that used to let you dodge their gunshots

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:18 PM

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trim breach like making them point their gun downwards if you crouch underneath their feet

he made nutcrackers tiptoe after firing at the same player several times in a row which also made doing this way more susceptible to getting yourself kicked

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etc.

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there is always the chance he does know and has decided not to fix it, but at least IMO i think it's more likely he just doesn't know about it

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anyways

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i got a little bit sidetracked

jade coral Feb 5, 2025, 11:21 PM

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trim breach normally i am willing to add options for these sorts of things but in the case o...

That's a shame
I appreciate the answer at least

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:21 PM

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tl;dr: i dont think i will make any of the nutcracker cheese fixes configurable, sorry

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i make a lot of fixes in this mod that are to the player's benefit and i think it is fair that i make a few non-configurable fixes that are not to the player's benefit as well

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and while i have sometimes exposed changes as a config option to allow for customization, i have become less prone to doing that recently as the mod's scope has grown

jade coral Feb 5, 2025, 11:22 PM

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I do have to ask, does that fix also affect clients?

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:23 PM

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TBH if i implemented the dog jump cheese fix today i probably wouldnt have made it a setting now (especially since zeekerss patched the other silent movement bug with dogs)

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but i'm not going to go back and remove the setting that already exists, in any case

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:23 PM

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jade coral I do have to ask, does that fix also affect clients?

the nutcracker's AI is controlled by the host of the server exclusively

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so both the soccer ball and reload cheese fixes apply to all players if the host has the mod

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and apply to no players if the host doesn't

jade coral Feb 5, 2025, 11:25 PM

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Hmm, that's concerning, 'cause I don't mind having that stuff on my end, but affecting clients can make for a bad experience if they don't know about the fixes

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Well, thanks for the answer

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:26 PM

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if that is a concern of yours, you probably shouldn't be using my mod then, yeah

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and i dont mean that to be disrespectful

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if it comes off like that

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but i think my vision of a fix mod and what you want out a fix mod are just not compatible with each other, and that's fine

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although this mod is vanilla compatible i mostly designed it for use when playing with my friends, where they are all aware of the mod and what it fixes

ruby dagger Feb 5, 2025, 11:27 PM

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I don’t really get not making config options unless it’s just annoying to code so much of them, because it doesn’t really hurt anything

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:27 PM

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and all of us have it installed

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:28 PM

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ruby dagger I don’t really get not making config options unless it’s just annoying to code s...

this is a selfish answer, but it's my mod that i spend my time making and it's not something i want to spend my time doing

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does that make it right? idk, different people will feel different ways about that

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i also don't like having gigantic configs for this mod, and if i made every change configurable, the config would be entirely unusable by any sane user

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if you disagree with my philosophy for this mod i think it is just genuinely better to not use it

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and it's fine if you don't agree with it, because i designed the mod for my own personal use and just publicized it in the case other people are interested in using it

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that's kind of my stance on everything

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:30 PM

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trim breach i also don't like having gigantic configs for this mod, and if i made every chan...

with chameleon, i have set a different precedent, because it's a package of multiple individual features, and it's much easier to draw a line between them

ruby dagger Feb 5, 2025, 11:31 PM

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Can’t argue with that

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:31 PM

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and with butterybalance i am also going through the process of making everything configurable because all of those changes are subjective and far more likely to conflict with others' modpacks

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(but they may still want it for individual features)

hollow fable Feb 5, 2025, 11:31 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/thanos-marvel-small-price-pay-for-salvation-gif-14748250

Tenor

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:32 PM

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but i can not possibly make everything in butteryfixes configurable

hollow fable Feb 5, 2025, 11:32 PM

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you must sacrifice the cheeses in order to get the fixes

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:32 PM

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there doesn't need to be a checkbox for "cap dog suspicion level at 11: yes/no"

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or a checkbox for "make old birds stop sliding without animations on the game over screen if all players die"

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or a checkbox for "make TZP audio distortion not persist if you quit and rehost the game"

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etc.

smoky current Feb 5, 2025, 11:45 PM

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ruby dagger I don’t really get not making config options unless it’s just annoying to code s...

https://tenor.com/view/squid-game-gong-yoo-gif-11955294592896031297

Tenor

ruby dagger Feb 5, 2025, 11:48 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/daamn-bird-daamn-bird-sentry-tf2-sentry-mini-sentry-gif-4882231901443475625

Tenor

jolly raven Feb 5, 2025, 11:54 PM

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trim breach i also don't like having gigantic configs for this mod, and if i made every chan...

I agree cuz configing shit like lategame upgrades is hellish

ruby dagger Feb 5, 2025, 11:59 PM

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jolly raven I agree cuz configing shit like lategame upgrades is hellish

Lategame Rebirth 🤑

trim breach Feb 5, 2025, 11:59 PM

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yes

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but alas

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butterybalance is going to have like 100 settings in it

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and it will require a sitdown with a book and a coffee to go through and configure everything on first install

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but at least no one can say i didnt try

jolly raven Feb 6, 2025, 12:00 AM

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very much appreciated

ruby dagger Feb 6, 2025, 12:00 AM

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trim breach and it will require a sitdown with a book and a coffee to go through and configu...

I do this with every mod except I don’t have a book nor coffee but instead a coke and iron will

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Wait, who’s reading a book while configging a mod anyway

jolly raven Feb 6, 2025, 12:01 AM

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it's for the aura, dumbass

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https://tenor.com/view/im-from-the-cityyyyyy-gif-4548670119770313438

Tenor

ruby dagger Feb 6, 2025, 12:02 AM

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Holy shit hi vagita

gilded lintel Feb 6, 2025, 12:55 AM

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paper garden Was it this

Is this so you can't jump through the Nutcracker while it is reloading and get free hits from behind? If so, good 🙂

trim breach Feb 6, 2025, 12:58 AM

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yes

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if you hit a nutcracker and it's not actively targeting a player, it will switch target to you

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in most cases that patch won't do anything, because vanilla already does that in most cases

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but it won't do that behavior if the nutcracker is in the middle of its attack state, because i guess zeekerss intended for it to always know who it's targeting in the attack state

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so if you jump through the nutcracker while it's reloading (and not doing line of sight checks)

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it forgets about you but remains in its attack state

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and so hitting it won't reaggro it or turn it around in vanilla

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but in my patch it does

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i dont remember why they freeze in place if you jump through them

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normally, if they lose their target in attack state, they start spinning wildly and stomping in random directions

trim breach Feb 6, 2025, 1:01 AM

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trim breach i dont remember why they freeze in place if you jump through them

but something about this specific action just makes them stand in place and stare forward for some reason

dense oriole Feb 6, 2025, 1:13 AM

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Wheres my 10000 configs?

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i need all the configs

ruby dagger Feb 6, 2025, 1:14 AM

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1 year sober from configs

dense oriole Feb 6, 2025, 1:14 AM

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def not sober from complaining

ruby dagger Feb 6, 2025, 1:14 AM

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Hi Narpy

dense oriole Feb 6, 2025, 1:14 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/cat-wash-car-wash-car-race-car-gif-15197385600331658755

Tenor

ruby dagger Feb 6, 2025, 1:14 AM

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dense oriole def not sober from complaining

Each time you imply this I will ask for +10 more configs

dense oriole Feb 6, 2025, 1:15 AM

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each config you ask for 10 are removed

ruby dagger Feb 6, 2025, 1:15 AM

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Schrödinger’s config

dense oriole Feb 6, 2025, 1:15 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/sniff-sniff-test-cat-stinky-gif-17061628113489721661

Tenor

ruby dagger Feb 6, 2025, 1:16 AM

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Why are you sniffing me

dense oriole Feb 6, 2025, 1:16 AM

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cuz you stinky

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and must bathe

paper garden Feb 6, 2025, 1:16 AM

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yes hyello can i have the uhhhhhhhhhhh

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config deluxe

dense oriole Feb 6, 2025, 1:16 AM

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make that a config

paper garden Feb 6, 2025, 1:16 AM

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with a side of config

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and a config for the drink

dense oriole Feb 6, 2025, 1:16 AM

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Bathe narpy config

pine kestrel Feb 6, 2025, 1:16 AM

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Buttery greed

ruby dagger Feb 6, 2025, 1:16 AM

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dense oriole and must bathe

No I will continue to frolic in the gnome forest

trim breach Feb 6, 2025, 4:56 AM

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@radiant nymph just to let you know pre-emptively

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i made a conservative fix for that weird baboon thing you were experiencing

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im not gonna push an update just for that but it will be in the next update i release

radiant nymph Feb 6, 2025, 4:56 AM

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Yay 😄

meager estuary Feb 6, 2025, 10:21 PM

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Somehow I have not mentioned this yet, a way to check a Shotguns’s ammo would be very nice. The tech with the sound effects is unintuitive imo and it bothers when playing tough mods where weapons are paramount

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I know there are some mods that do this already, but they are quite old, plus I think it would be a nice addition to this mod

low jewel Feb 6, 2025, 10:26 PM

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meager estuary I know there are some mods that do this already, but they are quite old, plus I ...

it's not a bugfix though

meager estuary Feb 6, 2025, 10:32 PM

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The mod already has a few settings that are not necessarily bug fixes

ruby dagger Feb 6, 2025, 10:34 PM

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meager estuary Somehow I have not mentioned this yet, a way to check a Shotguns’s ammo would be...

LCAmmoCheck does this

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...decently

hollow fable Feb 6, 2025, 10:36 PM

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Better Shotgun Tooltip has some great features for the shotgun
-> Ammo Indicator
-> Improved safety text
-> Colorized tweaks

meager estuary Feb 6, 2025, 10:37 PM

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Are those maintained though? LCAmmoCheck in particular seems like it could break any day

hollow fable Feb 6, 2025, 10:38 PM

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BetterShotgunTooltip updated 3 weeks ago

meager estuary Feb 6, 2025, 10:38 PM

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Well I guess I am just stingy then

hollow fable Feb 6, 2025, 10:39 PM

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the source doesn't seem to use GameObject.Find

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so it won't tank your performance

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although i wished there was a alternative for ShowCapacity 😭

meager estuary Feb 6, 2025, 10:43 PM

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This is why I went to Buttery, I can put faith in her to not make mistakes like this

hollow fable Feb 6, 2025, 11:03 PM

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I've been hesitant to ask if it's too much to ask to integrate this into ButteryFixes, it bothers sometimes having a lot of minor mods that does simple features
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/the_croods/NoTerminalSway/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LeKAKiD/SignalTranslatorAligner/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ViViKo/SpectateDeathCause/

Thunderstore

NoTerminalSway v1.0.0

Freezes camera on terminal

Thunderstore

SignalTranslatorAligner v1.1.0

Signal Translator always display centered text

Thunderstore

SpectateDeathCause v1.0.0

Shows cause of death on spectate screen

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It's okay if you don't want to

eternal lantern Feb 6, 2025, 11:08 PM

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hollow fable I've been hesitant to ask if it's too much to ask to integrate this into Buttery...

The first two are in GeneralImprovements already

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If that’s any help

hollow fable Feb 6, 2025, 11:20 PM

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I like some of the features from GeneralImprovements, but idk why buy my games performs a lot worse and requires more RAM

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i'm not interessed in all of the features he has to offer, because i know other mods do somethings better

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The only things GI has advantage over all others are the monitors honestly

trim breach Feb 6, 2025, 11:21 PM

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maybe i will freeze the camera on terminal

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the other two are less fix-y and more just qol

hollow fable Feb 6, 2025, 11:22 PM

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i would consider the last one a QoL

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the second one is a in-between

gilded lintel Feb 7, 2025, 12:00 AM

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trim breach maybe i will freeze the camera on terminal

If you add this, would it be okay to just add the ability to start typing on the terminal as soon as you interact with it rather than waiting for the animation to finish? Understandable if not wanting to mess with that tho

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:02 AM

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that sort of thing bugs me too so i might look into it

hollow fable Feb 7, 2025, 12:02 AM

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take it
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/rooni/BetterTerminal/

Thunderstore

BetterTerminal v0.1.1

A lethal company mod for quality of life improvements on the terminal.

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:02 AM

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not 100% sure of all the terminal's inner workings and im a bit worried about breaking things

hollow fable Feb 7, 2025, 12:03 AM

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hollow fable take it https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/rooni/BetterTerminal/

funny enough, it's the only feature this mod has

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typing when opening the terminal

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:03 AM

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well

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i'd like to avoid just copying other mods' patches into this if possible

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im also not sure if this is licensed to allow that

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also there is some tendency of old mods to implement features incorrectly and not be completely functional

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maybe this one is not an example of that, but it's another reason i'd rather just investigate and solve the issue myself

hollow fable Feb 7, 2025, 12:04 AM

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oh ok

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:05 AM

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might have to do with this

if (this.selectTextFieldCoroutine != null)
{
    base.StopCoroutine(this.selectTextFieldCoroutine);
}
this.selectTextFieldCoroutine = base.StartCoroutine(this.selectTextFieldDelayed());

private IEnumerator selectTextFieldDelayed()
{
    this.screenText.ActivateInputField();
    yield return new WaitForSeconds(1f);
    this.screenText.Select();
    yield break;
}

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it's probably that 1s delay that eats your inputs

hollow fable Feb 7, 2025, 12:08 AM

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what about this one?
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/NutNutty/AlwaysPickup/

Thunderstore

AlwaysPickup v1.2.0

Allows you to pickup equipment before the game has started.

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:09 AM

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this is bad

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objects with netcode shouldn't be interacted with before all clients have joined the game

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that's why zeekerss disabled it in vanilla

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you can get desync from using stuff like this, in the same way latejoin causes desync

hollow fable Feb 7, 2025, 12:09 AM

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didn't about that

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but i have been using since the first weeks of LC modded and never had problem?

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ok maybe the boombox

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:12 AM

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this is not an extremely harmful example

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but noisemaker props (clown horn, airhorn, hairdryer, and cash register) are seeded by RNG

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to produce sounds of different "volume" (not audio volume, but noise volume for AIs, how intensely enemies will hear it) and radius

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it's seeded by using the map seed

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so if a user picks up a clown horn, honks it a couple times, and then a new player joins the game

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it will have different seeds on each client and it will create different degrees of noise for each of them

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that doesn't matter in a ton of cases, since hearing is mostly host-sided, but it just makes for an easy-to-explain example for why items with networked interaction shouldn't be messed with before all players are in the game

daring steeple Feb 7, 2025, 12:15 AM

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trim breach might have to do with this ```csharp if (this.selectTextFieldCoroutine != null) ...

just nitpicking/sanity checking. Will stopping the coroutine here destroy it? Previously i've had to stop it then explicitly set my reference to null but i might be doing that unnecessarily

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:15 AM

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@daring steeple if a coroutine ends itself, it will not set its own reference to null

hollow fable Feb 7, 2025, 12:15 AM

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trim breach that doesn't matter in a ton of cases, since hearing is *mostly* host-sided, but...

could we just pick up tools them?

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:15 AM

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that caused the bug with music

daring steeple Feb 7, 2025, 12:16 AM

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yee so you gotta set it to null after that in that snipp right

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otherwise the logic will goof

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:16 AM

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that simon tendo (another user in this server) discovered the cause of

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:16 AM

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daring steeple otherwise the logic will goof

in this case it should be fine

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if the coroutine exists, it'll try to stop it, even if it has already been stopped

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but that doesn't throw an error

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and afterwards, it'll start a new coroutine and that will become the new reference

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so all will be fine

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public void PlayTimeMusicDelayed(AudioClip clip, float delay, bool playRandomDaytimeMusic = false)
{
    if (this.playDelayedMusicCoroutine != null)
    {
        Debug.Log("Already playing music; cancelled starting new music");
        return;
    }
    this.playDelayedMusicCoroutine = base.StartCoroutine(this.playSoundDelayed(clip, delay, playRandomDaytimeMusic));
}

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it is a problem here

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because the only part of the code that ever sets playDelayedMusicCoroutine to null is the coroutine itself, if it reaches the end

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but there are several spots where it can terminate early and it doesn't clean up its handle

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which causes it to be non-null for the rest of the session and completely mutes music

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it's only a problem because that return statement exists, though

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also the logic of this statement is incorrect to begin with, because playDelayedMusicCoroutine isn't non-null when music is actively playing, it's non-null when the game has music "queued" and is waiting to play it after a couple of seconds

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once the actual music track begins the coroutine gets set to null and the coroutine ends

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if it doesn't terminate early

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but that's sort of unrelated to your question

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:19 AM

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daring steeple just nitpicking/sanity checking. Will stopping the coroutine here destroy it? Pr...

anyways tl;dr stopping the coroutine, to my knowledge, does not actually set the handle to null

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i know for a fact if the coroutine expires within its own code (due to a yield break or running out of instructions to execute), it will not set its handle to null

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im pretty sure the Coroutine variable and the actual coroutine have no communication together at all

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the variable is basically just a pointer to a coroutine that may or may not still exist and may or may not still be executing

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you can't actually fetch any information from it

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you should explicitly set it to null whenever you want to free it, or whenever your coroutine ends itself, if you are intending to persistently track whether it's running

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:21 AM

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trim breach might have to do with this ```csharp if (this.selectTextFieldCoroutine != null) ...

if all you care about is making sure only one is ever running at a time, and there's never two overlapping each other, this is okay

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because either the coroutine ended itself, and you replace it with another one (and update your reference)

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or it hasn't ended itself, but you force it to stop, and then replace it etc.

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:22 AM

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hollow fable could we just pick up tools them?

tools are networked objects so no

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if you pick up a flashlight and turn it on, and a new player joins, the flashlight's state will be desynced between the two of you

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boomboxes are seeded in the same way noisemaker props are seeded and it causes track selection to be wrong

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i would say it's probably fine to allow networked objects to be picked up, just not used before the host starts the game

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but that wouldn't be true for easter eggs, since you could drop them and cause them to explode

daring steeple Feb 7, 2025, 12:24 AM

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in theory a networked seed system doesn't seem to hard to make but maybe injecting it into the base game is annoying

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:24 AM

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and there might be other examples of problematic networked items

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:29 AM

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daring steeple in theory a networked seed system doesn't seem to hard to make but maybe injecti...

also it definitely wouldnt be

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but you are right about the second thing

hollow fable Feb 7, 2025, 12:29 AM

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i understand it now

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kinda sad

trim breach Feb 7, 2025, 12:29 AM

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i know i certainly have no interest in injecting the whole thing in a mod

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https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mattymatty/AdditionalNetworking/

Thunderstore

AdditionalNetworking v2.1.3

Use more Explicit networking for stuff like selected slot and inventory.

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this mod covers a couple things that are problematic

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like the boombox track desync i mentioned

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but it doesn't sync all items' entire states and unless it is 100% paritous, i'd rather deal with the inconvenience than have desync potentially ruin a session

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most forms of desync are persistent until the lobby is rehosted and that sucks because it kills the momentum of a session

gilded lintel Feb 7, 2025, 2:49 AM

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hollow fable what about this one? https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/NutNutty/AlwaysP...

Yeah that's scary stuff, reserveditemslot mods do that for the specific items you have reserved slots for

gilded lintel Feb 7, 2025, 2:49 AM

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hollow fable take it https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/rooni/BetterTerminal/

I used to use this, but was worried due to its age wasn't sure if it's safe to

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Something I found that might suit ButteryFixes though is the spawn "vents" in the Mineshaft Caves, it seems only the Host can see them

radiant nymph Feb 8, 2025, 3:28 AM

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So @trim breach Dunno if this might be a useful Break Through for finally creating a bug fix for Furniture Items borking saves but I made a Discovery last night

trim breach Feb 8, 2025, 3:29 AM

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oh

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yeah

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it's all based on numerical indexing

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you are correct

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someone could probably make a SmartItemSaving adjacent mod for unlockables (furniture, upgrades, suits)

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and save/load by names instead of numerical indices

radiant nymph Feb 8, 2025, 3:30 AM

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NODDERS

trim breach Feb 8, 2025, 3:30 AM

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and that would be the easiest way to make something work with "almost all pre-existing mods"

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which just add themselves to the unlockables list without doing much else

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that someone wont be me

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at least not any time soon

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though

radiant nymph Feb 8, 2025, 3:31 AM

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Yeah the people I know I could see looking into doing this though would be you, @mighty night, or @exotic elm

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Maybe @eternal thorn if he feels like adding it to LethalFixes

trim breach Feb 8, 2025, 3:32 AM

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my guess is probably not lethal fixes

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it would deviate not-insignificantly from vanilla behavior

radiant nymph Feb 8, 2025, 3:33 AM

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Yeah fair

trim breach Feb 8, 2025, 3:33 AM

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but i think it'd be easier to implement and account for than items

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since unlockables are all in a list

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and you can only buy one of each

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and perhaps in the future i might release something for it

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but my backlog is huge and this is not high priority for me

hearty shale Feb 8, 2025, 4:13 AM

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Wow, I can’t believe it’s releasing tomorrow at 3:30 PM

fleet lintel Feb 8, 2025, 6:13 AM

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we all know buttery is a fake modder because she actually works on stuff and releases it

radiant nymph Feb 8, 2025, 8:45 AM

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@quiet tinsel Maybe you'd be interested in potentially fixing this btw, since Buttery mentioned it could be done in a way similar to SmartItemSaving

hollow fable Feb 8, 2025, 9:53 AM

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NoTerminalSway update agony

radiant nymph Feb 8, 2025, 11:29 AM

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@woven token

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Maybe you too

woven token Feb 8, 2025, 11:32 AM

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Hmmmm

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I'll have a look

radiant nymph Feb 8, 2025, 11:34 AM

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woven token I'll have a look

Yeah cus if this can be done it will finally fix the issue of having to make new saves whenever you add or remove furniture

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It makes a lot of sense Zeekerss would have done numerical indexing though cus his save file stuff has all been rather simple

trim breach Feb 8, 2025, 2:17 PM

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hollow fable NoTerminalSway update <:agony:1199993438377091123>

soon

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sorry

woven token Feb 8, 2025, 2:17 PM

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trim breach soon

Soon™ :>

trim breach Feb 9, 2025, 1:01 AM

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kinda wanna lock the camera when charging items or pulling the lever too

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the twitchiness of those bothers me

radiant nymph Feb 9, 2025, 1:03 AM

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hollow fable NoTerminalSway update <:agony:1199993438377091123>

You can already lock the camera at the terminal with both GI or darmuhsTerminalStuff though

trim breach Feb 10, 2025, 3:56 AM

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@hollow fable the update with terminal locking is out

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it's a bonus setting that's turned off by default

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just in case of conflicts or weird bugs causing it to get stuck

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but i wrote it to be generally safe

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and in all of my testing it worked fine

hollow fable Feb 10, 2025, 10:02 AM

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yoiled thx

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You also patched the forest keeper sfx on foggy moons? Fish

gilded lintel Feb 10, 2025, 11:08 AM

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trim breach <@300659970582511622> the update with terminal locking is out

thanks for the typing immediately too

trim breach Feb 10, 2025, 2:35 PM

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hollow fable You also patched the forest keeper sfx on foggy moons? <:Fish:131436082874469996...

oh yes

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i knew i forgot to put something on the changelog

hollow fable Feb 11, 2025, 7:06 PM

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Could the money square get larger to fit all the credits inside it? (ignore the fact that i have that much money)

trim breach Feb 13, 2025, 11:53 PM

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i might do something about this

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zaggy was very nice and contributed a patch for the hygrodere that makes its "spreading" behavior way less buggy

radiant nymph Feb 13, 2025, 11:55 PM

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hollow fable Could the money square get larger to fit all the credits inside it? (ignore the ...

Another thing that GI and Darmuh's mod cover

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lol

trim breach Feb 13, 2025, 11:56 PM

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does GI do this?

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i don't remember that but i guess maybe i just never noticed

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or it was added after i migrated away

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i am having to update for generalimprovements compat in the next update because I saw shaosil mention he added ladder sprinting

paper garden Feb 13, 2025, 11:57 PM

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BetterStamina greed

trim breach Feb 13, 2025, 11:58 PM

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does betterstamina include ladder sprinting too?

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i see

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i wasn't aware

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i will add it to the list as well

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for next patch

paper garden Feb 13, 2025, 11:59 PM

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It should yeah

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Though I think it’s not a default thing if I remember right

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Unsure

trim breach Feb 14, 2025, 12:00 AM

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maybe not but it wont work at all right now

paper garden Feb 14, 2025, 12:00 AM

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Yeah

trim breach Feb 14, 2025, 12:00 AM

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i'd rather revert to vanilla behavior (even if it lets you waste stamina on ladders) as long as you are using a mod with the potential to add ladder sprinting

paper garden Feb 14, 2025, 12:03 AM

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Don’t have my PC to check the exact configs it has relating to it

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but I can imagine it allows to basically fix it manually

hollow fable Feb 14, 2025, 12:08 AM

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radiant nymph Another thing that GI and Darmuh's mod cover

yeah, but i'm not necessarily interested in extended terminal functionalities + customization

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Just something very minor that bugs me and my friends sometimes

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"money exceeds 999"

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 7:06 PM

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speaking of terminal improvements

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vanilla apparently has some text that says [No items available] when the decor rotation is empty

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but it's completely impossible for that to occur because the shop is always stocked with either 4 or 5 decorations

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as some QoL im gonna add a bonus setting to filter out decorations you've already bought

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i know terminalformatter already does that and maybe another mod (darmuh's terminal stuff perhaps?)

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but i'd like to restore this feature for the vanilla shop

calm bobcat Feb 15, 2025, 7:13 PM

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that would be cool

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 7:19 PM

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hollow fable Feb 15, 2025, 7:53 PM

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That's cool

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 7:54 PM

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i was kind of waiting for general improvements to update

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before i released this

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since i needed to cancel my ladder stamina patch when GI is installed to prevent their ladder sprint patch from working

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but since that got delayed a couple more days i might just release mine early

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and you will just have to deal with not sprinting on ladders for a day or two

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for people using both BF and GI

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 7:55 PM

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trim breach before i released this

the last thing left is i want to resize the text box for the terminal credits

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so it looks ok when you have up to $10,000,000 credits (the max in vanilla)

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 10:33 PM

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hollow fable Could the money square get larger to fit all the credits inside it? (ignore the ...

hollow fable Feb 15, 2025, 10:35 PM

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You're the best

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 10:35 PM

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i will post in just a couple minutes, trying to figure out why it's not updating the first time you boot the terminal

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it'd still look wrong if you load a save with 1000+ credits up until you first spend money

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once i get that fixed it ought to be ready

hollow fable Feb 15, 2025, 10:36 PM

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Take your time alright

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 10:47 PM

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Very epic

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While we are focused on the small things, I have noticed that things like Plastic Fish, Extension Ladder, and Whoopie Cushion have no pickup/equip noise, could this be fixed?

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 10:53 PM

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i think some items are lacking pickup sounds by design

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but it is on my checklist to go through and add some where they make sense

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i've done it a couple times before

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for example the garbage lid and metal sheet have no pickup noises

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but tea kettle, large axle, and v-type engine all do

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previously i added a pickup sound to the metal sheet but i never went back and add it to the garbage lid after v60

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oh wait nvm apparently i did

thorn breach Feb 15, 2025, 10:58 PM

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my favourite drop sound is zetdog (i think its called)

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 10:58 PM

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hum

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there is this sound but i feel like it's a bit noisy for plastic fish and plastic cups

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:04 PM

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trim breach i think some items are lacking pickup sounds by design

this is tricky for some of the tiny non-metal items

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plastic fish, plastic cups, whoopie cushions, and candy are 4 items i'm not sure what to do for the pickup sound

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:04 PM

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I can see Whoopie having no noise but the others should imo

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:06 PM

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trim breach plastic fish, plastic cups, whoopie cushions, and candy are 4 items i'm not sure...

Hairdryer pickup noise is probably best, I see in this mod you already assigned it to Hair Brush and Toothpaste

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:06 PM

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trim breach

yeah it's this sound

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i guess it sounds ok, to me it just seems kinda chunky

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hard to describe

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:07 PM

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I think it is fine, it is part of the LC jank

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Extension Ladder should have metal pickup noise

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:07 PM

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i realize i never gave the glass SFX to perfume and pickle jars

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:07 PM

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True

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:08 PM

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trim breach i realize i never gave the glass SFX to perfume and pickle jars

how do we feel about pill bottles?

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those are probably plastic, yeah? i gave them plastic sounds but i guess glass could also work

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:08 PM

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Pill Bottles like that are plastic, I have small orange bottles like that

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:08 PM

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yeah

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i actually have a couple of both shades at my place

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the vanilla LC shade and the deeper scarlet one from upturned variety

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all of mine are plastic but i wasn't sure how universally standard that was

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plastic probably fine then

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:09 PM

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Btw what is the Magic 7 Ball drop noise?

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Just a faint clunk, seems to be exclusive to it

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:10 PM

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i think it was given a new unique one in either v56 or v60

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i dont remember anymore

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"DropBall"

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:11 PM

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Weird, that one always seemed off to me, it is such a quiet and short sound, especially given how it is heavy

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:11 PM

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i think it fits

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i do think it's weird that it was given a unique sound so late after launch though

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i dont even remember what it used to use before

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:14 PM

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You could use that noise for candy

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If you want to emphasize how small it is

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:22 PM

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apparently:

boombox
maneater
teeth
extension ladder
golden cup
fancy lamp
plastic fish
garbage lid
apparatus
tattered metal sheet
plastic cup
radar booster
soccer ball
whoopie cushion

all lack grab SFX

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some of these make sense

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there are also a couple items with wrong pickup sounds

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like tethpaste, pill bottles, candy, hairbrush, etc. sounding like metal

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:23 PM

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Darn, much more than I thought

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A lot of these are easy to pick noises for though

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:23 PM

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well, the teeth have the chattering

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and i already fixed a few, like the golden cup, garbage lid, metal sheet, etc.

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some others i am less sure what to do with

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:24 PM

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trim breach well, the teeth have the chattering

Toy Robot has a noise though

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:24 PM

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i feel like that sorta makes sense

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toy robot is metallic and it's a good cue to indicate that

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teeth aren't

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teeth also have a higher chance to chatter than toy robots have to

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dance/sing/whatever

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but maybe i could give them a plastic sound

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:27 PM

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trim breach apparently: - boombox - maneater - teeth - extension ladder - golden cup - fancy...

I think all of these besides Maneater, Teeth, Plastic Fish, Plastic Cup, and Soccer Ball should have metal (Large Axle) noise, and the rest besides Maneater have the plastic (Hairdryer) noise. Maneater I am fine with no sound, it is not a proper scrap after all

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:29 PM

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i'm not sure about apparatus because there is a very specific sound to it when it gets unplugged

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:29 PM

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trim breach

also it might just be me but i still feel like this doesn't fit the tiny plastics

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if nothing else i do think it fits the soccer ball

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:30 PM

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trim breach i'm not sure about apparatus because there is a very specific sound to it when i...

True, could it be made so it has its unique noise when unplugged and then metal noises when picked up off the ground later?

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:31 PM

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unfortunately not easily

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grab sound is defined globally for every instance of an item

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:31 PM

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Darn

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:32 PM

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trim breach also it might just be me but i still feel like this doesn't fit the tiny plastic...

This sound is also used for Bottles iirc

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It is kinda just a catch-all for non-metallic

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Even though Bottles are conductive

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:33 PM

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meager estuary This sound is also used for Bottles iirc

yeah the bottles are a plastic bin so that makes sense

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also bottles aren't conductive

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maybe in an earlier version they were, idk

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whoopees were conductive until v50

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flasks were conductive until like v62

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:33 PM

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Makes sense, glass is not conductive irl

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:34 PM

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yeah

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:35 PM

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Should we change Zed Dog drop noise? It makes no sense but at this point it is a meme

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:35 PM

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i actually did that a while ago

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:36 PM

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Oh

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:36 PM

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but then i found out zeekerss and zedfox had a discussion about it

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and it's actually canon that there's something metallic inside of it

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which is why it has a weird drop sound and is conductive

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lol

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so i reverted it

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:36 PM

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Add that to the tally of things we will never understand

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Would love to see Zedfox’s idea

calm bobcat Feb 15, 2025, 11:37 PM

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I think the joke is that the zedfox is filled with lead

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:38 PM

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I am inclined to believe that

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Oh yeah I wanted to ask because I want to confirm what I think I heard somewhere, is not being able to pick up stuff before the lobby is started intentional? I had heard that using mods to bypass this opens the door for desyncs, is this true?

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:43 PM

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yes that is intentional

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yes it can cause desync

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:43 PM

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Cool cool

hollow fable Feb 15, 2025, 11:43 PM

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btw

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:43 PM

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it is somewhat irritating but i think a minor annoyance is greatly preferable to mid-match desyncs

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:43 PM

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Definitely

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:43 PM

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so it is at least the lesser of two evils

hollow fable Feb 15, 2025, 11:44 PM

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Using AdditionalNetworkingExperimental new feature that syncs noise from objects fix these desyncs caused by AlwaysPickup?

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:46 PM

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it will definitely help

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but i assume it doesn't account for equipment which is the more notable problem

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jetpacks, flashlights, etc.

hollow fable Feb 15, 2025, 11:47 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/pibble-pibble-dog-pibble-gmail-gmail-dog-gmail-gif-1592494038181494840

Tenor

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:50 PM

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the fancy lamp is kind of eghhh

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:51 PM

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Is this the cause of most desyncs or is network lag more responsible you think?

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:51 PM

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i think the plastic sound gives bad player feedback because it's actually metallic and conductive

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but the metal sound is really rough and feels weird for a lamp

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feels like a chunk of metal

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:51 PM

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trim breach but the metal sound is really rough and feels weird for a *lamp*

meager estuary Feb 15, 2025, 11:52 PM

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I always see lamps as heavy metal things

trim breach Feb 15, 2025, 11:52 PM

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meager estuary Is this the cause of most desyncs or is network lag more responsible you think?

i doubt it's cause of most desyncs

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but one time my friends and i got this really weird bug where a jetpack's active state got bugged out and im willing to bet it's because of pickup-before-start

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it was pretty disastrous because a couple of us saw/heard a jetpack constantly running

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and at one point one of my friends got launched into the water on gordion because they were wearing a jetpack that randomly propelled them off the map

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despite being turned off

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