Buttery Fixes

[woven tartan]

do u know of one to remove the doors from the red cabinet? i forgot that one was so nice

[radiant nymph]

DoorlessStorage

I will say the item swap interval setting in Hotbarplus has never caused issues, but yeah I recommend the default drop and activate intervals the reduced delays for those I found aren't noticeable anyways and just lead to problems

[solid dagger]

Yeah I really think GI just has too much stuff in it now

like, why does it have all that masked stuff

when like 5 other mods exist to do that

why was flashlight fix merged in and hard-deprecated

feels like it's not really trying to be "general improvements" any more and more just "base mod everyone is supposed to have"

[radiant nymph]

GI also I noticed causes some weird lag when the ship screens are on that doesn't exist without it

[solid dagger]

and it's buckling under that

[radiant nymph]

It's suffering from feature creep

Unfortunately

@trim breach I will say I think the ability to look down more should be included in one of the fix mods

That's a pretty simple addition

[trim breach]

i do think generalimprovements is suffering a bit from feature creep, which is extra unfortunate combined with shaosil needing to spend time away from maintaining it to work on other projects

but in fairness there is barely any difference between that and me making alternate fixes and bundling them into this mod

which has a bunch of other unconfigurable changes

[radiant nymph]

He also seems to be losing some interest in LC Modding as well

[trim breach]

just to be frank, i wont be doing this

[radiant nymph]

Yeah no that's fine

If anything it's more in line for @woven token's mod I think

[trim breach]

there's already an independent mod on thunderstore for this exact thing

[radiant nymph]

Mhm

[trim breach]

and it causes some weirdness in vanilla

like looking down when you have a jetpack equipped looks really funky

[radiant nymph]

Oh?

[brazen vapor]

wait it does ?

[trim breach]

well, gameplay wise it's probably fine

but the weird visual quirks + the fact it's not really a bug to begin with means it's out of scope for buttery fixes

[brazen vapor]

never seen that one lmao, ill take notes of that

[solid dagger]

I think you can make items get dropped in a really weird way if you look straight down too

[woven tartan]

ah thats also a GI thing huh?

[solid dagger]

I remember noticing it when playing around with UsualScrap

[trim breach]

about the furthest i've tried to stray from vanilla is the "scanonship" setting i added

[radiant nymph]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/FlipMods/LetMeLookDown/ can just use this

[solid dagger]

if you look straight down some of the stuff in UsualScrap will drop like a mile behind you

[trim breach]

because i'd really like to know how much scrap value is on the ship

[solid dagger]

I managed to drop stuff straight through ship

[trim breach]

and making it part of the scan command on the terminal was the most vanilla friendly and non-intrusive way to do that, imo

[solid dagger]

and I imagine you can do that with vanilla scrap too if you try

[trim breach]

on an unrelated note i have thought a bit about breaking some fixes out of butteryfixes and making them their own mods

butteryfixes is nice and convenient for me to make tiny changes that are too small for individual releases

but i don't like having so many things isolated in one mod because if one thing breaks the entire tree comes down, not just a branch

i recently migrated some stuff out of this mod and put it in jetpackfixes

and i'm semi-considering making a separate mod for all the mimic/corpse patches i did

with badges, bunny/bee suit accessories, etc.

something called like "suitfixes" or something

it is a little frustrating because ideally i'd like to break the flashlight fixes and fire exit fixes out to be more modular too

but flashlightfix exists on thunderstore (even if it's empty and deprecated now) and there are probably half a dozen fire exit flip mods

so adding to that pool feels a bit silly as well

[solid dagger]

I would leave that stuff in the main mod, yeah

because I imagine a big appeal of the mod is not needing 700 single fix mods

because that's annoying

[trim breach]

yes

it is one of the endless pitfalls of modding

every dev and every end user has their own opinion of "consolidation" vs "modularity"

it's nice to have a modpack with only 40 mods vs 200 but it's less nice when one of those mods breaks and you have to lose like 20 features you need by disabling it

[solid dagger]

Scope creep is usually the problem IMO, bugfix mods that decide they also should be gameplay tweaks and oh I should rework the AI of this enemy a little bit and oh it'd be nice if this item worked better despite it not being a bug and-

[fleet lintel]

i mean it's still possible to keep a modular design philosophy while combining everything into one mod

[radiant nymph]

Yeah GI suffers from Scope Creep

It's doing too much

[trim breach]

i suppose that's true, but i can't say gigantic config files are too appealing, either

[solid dagger]

I personally prefer giant config files to 200 individual mods

but it's subjective

[trim breach]

not to just rag on general improvements (i swear, i really do love this mod...) but it has like 30 monitor settings i have to scroll past in the config when i only touch like 3 of them

[fleet lintel]

though i feel like one pitfall that new modders fall into is "bigger mod count = heavier to run" when in reality it depends on what the mods are actually doing

[solid dagger]

I'm used to Fallout NV modding where you use IStewieAIs tweaks which has a config file with over 100 categories in it

and people love that mod because it deprecated like 60 other mods

[fleet lintel]

yeah, this is true. it's a lot better in gale where all the headers are in a little sidebar and you can just expand the specific one you want to edit

[solid dagger]

(most of which were old and abandoned)

[trim breach]

yes gale's config editor is class

[radiant nymph]

I haven't played NV in forever but I think last time I played that mod had way less config options

[solid dagger]

yeah R2's config editor is ass compared to gale's

editing BrutalCompanyMinus in gale compared to R2 is night and day

[radiant nymph]

R2 is ass in general in comparison unfortunately but that's not EBKR's fault, it's using a way more outdated frontend

R2 is way older

[solid dagger]

yeah R2 was the first mod manager for unity games that wasn't atrocious

• being cross-game

it's a monumental bit of software

[radiant nymph]

TMM is worse, cus it's a modified version of R2 that's bloated by Overwolf and Ads, and the slight ui changes are laggier than R2's

[solid dagger]

it is not wrong to say that R2 is largely responsible for unity modding taking off

because I really do not think RoR2's mod scene would have gotten nearly as big if not for it

[radiant nymph]

Gale is quite literally a modern mod manager inspired by R2

[solid dagger]

yeah, gale is just better

(outside of it being buggy sometimes)

[radiant nymph]

It's pretty stable now tbh

[solid dagger]

it doesn't work at all for one of my friends

completely unusable

but I think it's because he's on windows 8.1

[radiant nymph]

Bruh

[trim breach]

i do have a lot of respect for r2modman in general

it's always important to pay respects to what came before

that being said, gale has completely substituted r2 for all of my use cases and actually has acceptable performance

[radiant nymph]

Why would they still be using 8.1 in 2024? That's asking for viruses and other stuff to creep into his system

[trim breach]

so i will be happy to never use it again in my life

[solid dagger]

he absolutely refuses to update and won't use linux because he hates it lol

he's a big IT person so you can probably guess what's going on here

[radiant nymph]

Bruh

Is he one of those IT people that believes 10 and 11 are Spyware?

[solid dagger]

probably I haven't pried

[radiant nymph]

Most IT people also avoid using outdated oses

[solid dagger]

not worth getting into it over someone's OS choices

[radiant nymph]

true

[solid dagger]

If I had control over GI I would
-Remove all the inventory stuff (Handled by other mods)
-Remove all the masked stuff (handled by other mods)
-Remove the Intro stuff (handled by other mods)
-Separate Better Monitors into its own mod maybe?
-Move all the weird game control stuff like quota rollover, starting credits, and disabling overtime pay into a standalone. This doesn't belong in a QoL mod.
-Remove the weird key changes that also don't belong in a QoL mod
-Separate the medical station into its own mod

[trim breach]

there's a lot of refactoring generalimprovements could use but i also dont want to weigh shaosil down with having to support that

when his interests are elsewhere, for the time being

he did fix some longstanding bugs and merge in some pull requests in this latest update

so i suppose anything is possible

but considering flashlightfix got pulled into generalimprovements to have fewer mods to maintain

i dont expect it's going to suddenly break into a ton of smaller pieces any time soon

[radiant nymph]

GI is nice but is bloated, and contains a lot of features that cause more issues than they're worth 😦

It's just the unfortunate part of it having feature creep

[woven tartan]

am i trippin or is there no config option to disable the ALIVE monitor?

it kinda ruins the Masked fake-out

[radiant nymph]

I think it's the Life Support one.

[trim breach]

thinking in the next update

i'm just gonna completely disable weed killer spray's collision with anything but weeds and the cruiser

right now they collide with stuff on the "room" layer which includes most terrain, the ship, even the camera spectating the player... (it's meleefixes all over again)

this would, of course, have the side effect of letting you kill weeds through walls

but TBH

with how often the weeds spawn inside of geometry and are impossible to kill

or spawn underneath the ship

or whatever it may be

i feel like it would still be better to be more consistent and less buggy

than have the edge case where you can kill a weed through a wall when you should've walked around to the other side

so

[woven tartan]

Sounds good to me

I actually haven’t seen a single weed or fox yet, I’m not sure if one of my mods is breaking it

[trim breach]

im not sure whether or not lethallevelloader supports vain shrouds yet

vanilla has a consistent level set with matching numerical IDs

so vain shroud data is saved to the file by level index (for example, Level0Mold would store how much mold has grown on Experimentation)

since lethallevelloader adds more levels to the list and different mod sets will have different orders (and thus different indices) batby needs to decouple the vain shroud data from numerical index

they're already aware of that, not sure if it's updated to do so yet

[trim breach]

oh wow

i think i just discovered a major problem with the weed killer and how it affects vehicles

... oh my goodness gracious

using the weed killer inside the truck shrinks the bounds of the back storage space...

[trim breach]

(for context, this defines the region where you are considered "inside the truck", immune to enemies, etc.)

zeekerss why

[woven tartan]

Another curveball

[trim breach]

it looks like this is genuinely responsible for all the bugs people were encountering with the car getting stuck inside the ship

or at least some of them

[brazen vapor]

implying u cant live easy in there without weed /j

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach Looking forward to adding WeedKiller fixes to my pack, the collision for Spraying Weeds in Vanilla sucks so much. I remember having a Weed spawn in a wall and not being able to fully destroy it lol

[brazen vapor]

im so bad at killing it it took the whole bottle for me to kill 1

[radiant nymph]

You have to hold down left click, it sprays longer when you do that lol

[trim breach]

you are in luck #1261879063631630356 message

anyways, back to the grind with BF and ESF, i suppose

[brazen vapor]

yea i did that, but everytime it shrinks the hitbox change, i need to aim lower -> do it again but the smaller the hitbox the more wonky it is

[brazen vapor]

[trim breach]

everytime it shrinks the hitbox change
this seems intentional

and it's not something i fixed

"fixed"

if there's enough demand for it i could maybe make a config setting that rescales the hitbox so it's always the same size

[radiant nymph]

Yeah, the hitbox getting smaller makes sense

[trim breach]

disabled by default because it's not a bug, but available as an option because i know it's a common source of heartache 😛

[radiant nymph]

ESF?

Oh

EnemySoundFixes

I had to take a bit lol

[brazen vapor]

no sry i was ranting about the weed getting harder to spray cuz the spray have funi trigger area and sometimes a single bottle just not destroying a single weed

i dont understand if we are supposed to destroy the weed or make it just small enough so u can see where the fox is hiding

[trim breach]

you want to destroy it

like the item description suggests, aim for the base of the plant to get rid of the entire thing (you will probably want to crouch down)

once you spray it enough it will break into pieces and then it's properly "destroyed"

[brazen vapor]

aight then i guess its just a skill issue on my end lmao

[trim breach]

destroyed weeds don't come back in the future and can't be used for kidnapper fox spawning

[brazen vapor]

gotcha

[trim breach]

just shrinking the weeds doesn't affect the fox, and they grow back to full size next day if they aren't completely destroyed

[brazen vapor]

😭 makes sense

[trim breach]

of course it's like 4 am and i've just become aware of a ton of issues with the barber that i really want to fix

i was going to lump them into butteryfixes because they seemed small

but i just have to level with you guys...

probably about to release barberfixes tomorrow

because the problems are major

and i don't want to lump them in with all the stupid nitpicky shit in butteryfixes like "cruiser explosions spawn the default body with a burnt suit instead of the melted body from old birds"

[paper garden]

how major is major out of curiosity

[trim breach]

"major" as in "all barbers that spawn after the first one don't function at all" and "barbers are capped at 8 spawning"

[paper garden]

that many is a bug?

[trim breach]

up to 8 spawning at once is intended, but only the first one that spawns has functioning AI

the rest just slide around and eventually get stuck in place

they don't follow the master barber like they are intended to and don't engage the player at all outside of killing them if they get too close

[paper garden]

ohh

[trim breach]

ughhh this is exhausting

i wanted to at least have this in some sort of workable state tonight

so i could test it and see if i'm on the right track

but i've spent like an hour poring over this thing and it's now approaching 5 in the morning

i think im just gonna have to get back at this after some sleep

it's exciting to be making progress but all this late night work is probably bad in the grand scheme

[hearty shale]

Blame @weary ice

[weary ice]

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[hearty shale]

Can’t believe he personally goes into peoples games to hide cubes everywhere smh

[radiant nymph]

The worst part is I could actually hear you saying that lol

Poor Wesley

[trim breach]

it is complete

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1262177647786459228

i had no idea how broken these things were until i started working on this

but it is honestly a miracle they even function in vanilla

[woven tartan]

so slick

so buttery

so snazzy

[uneven eagle]

your so snazzy

[thorn breach]

Isn't some of the truck stuff on the wrong layer/tag? Is that why?

[trim breach]

yes

[thorn breach]

[trim breach]

some stuff is on the MoldSpore layer

weedkillerfixes fixed it by checking that it also has MoldSpore tag before killing

[thorn breach]

Yeah I was checking out the parenting stuff for #1260387777141276763 and saw that some stuff had mold layer lol

[trim breach]

sort of small update

major notes are (supposedly) i've fixed the end-of-round scrap counter

so it will properly track apparatus, butler spawned knives, etc

the ship node should move with the ship now, so you can't see it when you are landing

and i fixed the extension ladder bug where the beeping doesn't always work

so you shouldn't fall to a surprise death on titan anymore

[smoky current]

this is cute i like this

i get rlly excited when u update this mod lol

[trim breach]

not 100% sure if this would be worth

but im kinda thinkin about it

i think the doorframe looks kinda tacky

maybe only change the doors and leave the frame

[ionic lion]

config option for it maybe possibly?

[smoky current]

this fs

[trim breach]

or just change the material

[smoky current]

I still think it would make more sense to use the factory door frame on the outside

that does look nice tho

[trim breach]

the doors dont completely fit the frame

you can see just a bit of the wall bleeding out the left and the right

but i could cover that up with solid black maybe

or maybe shrink the door frame a bit

dunno

[clever steeple]

truly this is a potential mod to replace the entrance doors with the mansion doors whenever mansion is selected

[daring steeple]

This would be a different mod, no?

[smoky current]

I have a question buttery, how does the fire exit flip fix work
I use a mod called centralconfig that (iirc) overrides the vanilla interiors and it causes the fix to just not function

i was trying to figure out why

[trim breach]

i have a bunch of scene-specific overrides that run

any of the vanilla levels (except vow and adamance, where it is fine) run some code to rotate the external fire exit teleporter

and then when setexitids runs

it rotates all the internal fire exits 180 degrees

[trim breach]

this happens after the dungeon generates for everybody

and it's locking doors, turning off power, setting up secure doors, etc.

not sure why centralconfig would prevent it from working

but i will look

[smoky current]

I assume it is?

I don't see what else it could be. Actually let me disable really quickly just to double check

its the only mod I have that messes with interiors at all, and no fire exit fix mods are working for me

its the only reasonable conclusion i can make

give me a minute

[smoky current]

it'd be really funny if centralconfig is actually fixing the fire exits and your mod is rotating them back the other way around

yeah it is 100% central config

[gilded lintel]

Ah yes, the classic 360 degree turn 🤣

[smoky current]

I think it's totally possible lol

Testing rn to see if they're normal with the fix disabled

no ok so i was wrong lol its not doing a 360 spin

ig its just not applying

thats disappointing that would have been really funny

[trim breach]

got a bit tired of waiting on betterspraypaint

so the next update will include some improvements for spray paint hit detection

it will auto-disable if you are using betterspraypaint (since betterspraypaint probably does most of what im doing but better)

[fleet lintel]

waiting on BSP for what?

[trim breach]

it isn't up to date with v56 and it messes with the functionality of weed killer

[distant matrix]

thank you 🙏

[solid dagger]

nice

[smoky current]

I had this weird issue a long time ago where spray paint persisted across different seeds on the same moon, have you ever seen that before?

it confused me hella cuz one time on dine i returned and saw a mark i made on a doorway but it was just a flat wall

sorry its a bit unrelated im just curious

[trim breach]

yeah i have seen it before

and it's actually something i wanted to try to fix

i was looking into it before i put this mod away for the day

but it will probably be in the final update

whenever that is all put together

[smoky current]

oh do u plan on moving on from this?

[trim breach]

sorry i saw this late

"final update" just meaning whatever i decide to release

idk if it will be 1.5.5 or 1.6

this is going to be an ongoing project as long as there are things for me to do

which will probably be until i stop playing

pretty much

[woven tartan]

(Don’t ever stop playing)

[gilded lintel]

Indeed, we need buttery fixes and other buttery goodness forever

[woven tartan]

So slick

So buttery

[smoky current]

ah! so fixes!

[smoky current]

you should still do this at some point btw :3 i think slightly shrinking the frame would be a good solution

also it might be good as a standalone mod

[trim breach]

yeah i'm sort of putting off the update until i actually implement this

but i havent done so yet

maybe i will just wind up making it a separate mod

since i guess it's not really a "fix"

i was just thinking since it'd be such a small bonus

[thorn breach]

usually i'd agree but tbh if its toggleable it seems fine to me, instead of fixing code bugs its fixing some basic logic

[brazen vapor]

i would say its an asset replacement

[trim breach]

my original goal was to make it just be part of the geometry on rend, dine, and artifice

but there is probably some amount of people that would rather it applies to all maps and just dynamically switches based on the interior type

[thorn breach]

never tag a mod as an asset replacement unless its like just actually an asset replacement fully thunderstore makes all it hard to find a mod if its an asset replacement

[trim breach]

but i also get this weird feeling that releasing it as a standalone mod is going to lead to this expectation for it to support custom moons

which is a whole can of worms

[thorn breach]

practically impossible

[trim breach]

imo "asset replacement" are more for things that replace models/sounds/textures globally

[thorn breach]

first moon i thought of, triskelion, definitely not fitting there lol

[trim breach]

like if you have a mod that replaces all the tracks on the boombox, that's an asset replacement

but im not deleting the normal doors and replacing them

im just changing exterior geometry to use the other door type that's already in the game

so it matches the look of the interior better

[brazen vapor]

wait its already in the game?

[trim breach]

well yeah

it's the doors used on the interior lol

[brazen vapor]

i dont remember it being that color or its just the outdoor making it look differ

[spice marten]

Does it break weed killer completely?

[trim breach]

no but it makes it so you can spray weed killer continuously (in vanilla it sprays in short bursts only) and it also breaks the particle effect (which i think is just a visual thing)

[warm path]

???
That's a new one
I don't have that issue

the particle issue yeah but not the continous spray

[brazen vapor]

it just feels like compressed water

[trim breach]

i tested the mod with default settings

i think by default the mod disables shaking spray paint which is what would break weed killer

if you dont use that config setting weed killer might work fine

[warm path]

Yeah my config disabled ShorterShakeAnimation and InfiniteTank

these are the breaking settings I presume?

[trim breach]

yeah both of those would affect weed killer

tbf i have both of them off on my "vanilla" profile but i'd still rather not use a mod that doesn't explicitly support weed killer yet

because it might be causing other issues than just the particle visuals

that are not obvious to the end user

[warm path]

tbh shorter shake was buggy in general even before v55/56 so I don't feel like I am losing much

[trim breach]

oh wait shortershakeanimation is actually probably fine

i misread

whatever setting it is that disables shaking and just lets you use the spray paint

is what causes weed killer to spray continuously

because weed killer re-implements the spray paint's shake timer but it does it in a really funky way

[warm path]

the disabled one?

[trim breach]

oh weird

i guess not then

maybe you can't fix it in the config?

[warm path]

yeah it's probably the infinite tank

[trim breach]

or maybe infinite tank just makes the spray paint unshakeable anyway

because it definitely broke weed killer with default settings

i dunno

in any case taffyko has indicated they intend to update the mod in the future

just a matter of time until then

[warm path]

I hope they don't just remove weed killer changes completely and instead seperate them so that it can still use the size setting. Maybe they could make it so it gains range when the size is smaller?

[spice marten]

Thanks for the detail!

[woven tartan]

I really like this as an ending to my usual phrases. Thanks Dopadream

So slick…..

[brazen vapor]

@trim breach seems like your fireexit fix get borked with the new GI update
its not turning off properly i assume ?

if i use individual mod then the fix work
but if i have both GI and butteryfix while the fireexit fix = true then it wont work

[sullen wadi]

I think GI's just breaks overall

mine also broke

[brazen vapor]

what broke ?
i tested both and their fire exit fix worked fine

its just that when u have both at default config the fireexit gonna get borked

and u ended up facing the door again

[sullen wadi]

oh ic 👀

maybe it turns you back around

[brazen vapor]

could be lol

im just bringing it up again since buttery said they gonna add compat for it

[trim breach]

well this is pretty much intended

both of them are applying at the same time and would cancel each other out

im not adding auto compat for this because you can just disable it in either my config or GI's config

anything else should be accounted for though

to clarify, the reason i dont auto disable this is because i cant easily fetch GI's config to know if the user has it enabled or disabled there

also my fix applies to both interior and exterior fire exits, not just interiors

just pick one and turn the other off and it should be fine

[brazen vapor]

yea all good, i just bring it up since u said it a bit ago and i thought u forgor lol
maybe on next update add disclaimer on the mod page or the config itself so people know

[woven tartan]

GeneralImprovements has several overlaps with multiple bugfix and gameplay mods I think the disclaimer should be there

[brazen vapor]

something like compat list
but ye thats fair

[cold flare]

Could you release a mod that includes all your fixes (toggleable)?
Like including them in Buttery Fixes or a second mod for the "big" fixes?

Your are recommending 5 mods from you that are just pushing the mod count higher

[hearty shale]

Part of the reason they’re separate is so if one of them breaks they aren’t all broken

While it’s nice to have a smaller modlist when possible, there isn’t any performance impact having these seperate either

[trim breach]

its already been mentioned but yeah, i want to keep things separate so my fixes are less likely to be unusable after game updates or due to mod conflicts

if everything is in butteryfixes and you have a mod that causes it to crash on load, you arent able to use anything ive made

vs just disabling butteryfixes and still getting to use jetpackfixes, meleefixes, etc.

[woven tartan]

Could just make one called AllButtery

😂

[trim breach]

butteryfixes isnt intended to be the "all in one collection" of what i made, its just stuff that is too small for me to put into separate releases, but that ive still wanted to change

[woven tartan]

This doesn’t really matter tho it would be the same workload on your processor and RAM whether it’s 1 big mod or 5 small mods that do the same exact thing

[trim breach]

butteryfixes is more likely to have stuff pulled out and made into other separate releases than to have my existing mods merged into it

i just dont want to make a store page for "this mod does nothing but display 1 purchased vehicle on route. when you order the cruiser"

etc.

ive considered adding my other fixes as dependencies to facilitate them all being in "one place"

but truthfully the thunderstore mod collection experience is awful

modpacks are my #1 "why does this feature exist" on thunderstore

and i dont want to make the fixes dependencies because they arent necessary for butteryfixes to function and some people are purposefully choosing not to use them

[woven tartan]

It’s such a dichotomy. Some of the best mod managers but the worst modpacks and poor QoL search/tag features for mods

Nexus and Curseforge have way better search and tagging

[trim breach]

having to re-uninstall them every single time i update butteryfixes will be a huge step backwards in user experience

id love to make like, a steam workshop collection

that is all of my mods with a handy subscribe all button

but the closest thing to that is a modpack which is just exploiting the thunderstore dependency system and actually kind of functionally awful

[woven tartan]

has Zeekerss said anything about planning to add steam workshop support?

[trim breach]

he hasnt yet and im doubtful itd happen, its a pretty huge undertaking

[woven tartan]

Yea

I’ve only seen it for Unreal engine games

Are there Unity games with Steam Workshop?

[trim breach]

of course

support is there

it is just a lot of work to actually implement it into your game

steam workshop's api isnt drag and drop

i think zeekerss is pretty cool with modding but i dont think he has any plans to support it in an actual capacity

on an unrelated note

i found out the other day that the cruiser radio has a disgusting doppler level

and threw up a little in my mouth

so that will be resolved in the next release

[solid dagger]

yeah, because other mods might be incompatible

oops

chat scroll

[solid dagger]

was replying to this

[solid dagger]

I feel like CC was coded in a way to make it easy for modders to use

like it was very specifically set up to be re-usable for moving platforms and the like with relatively little work

but that's about it in terms of intentional changes for modding

anyway, heya, noticed that CruiserImproved also added the fix for weedkiller shrinking the bounding box, can anyone confirm if that conflicts with weedkiller fixes?

CruiserImproved did not add the fix for the wasted sprays so I still want to use weedkiller fixes

[fleet lintel]

it's fine

cruiserimproved just solves the underlying issue

[trim breach]

we both fixed the bug but we did it in different ways

digg changed the layers on the broken cruiser objects so they no longer get detected by weed killer

i changed weed killer so that it performs more than just a layer check before shrinking the target

both fixes work on their own (you don't need both) but also wouldnt conflict with each other

[radiant nymph]

@trim breach 🤔

[quartz ether]

@radiant nymph that doesn't say anything

send full player.log

[radiant nymph]

Yeah I had the game hard crash

[trim breach]

yes, this log doesn't indicate anything to me

[radiant nymph]

Here

[radiant nymph]

Btw I noticed the GraphicsBuffer stuff will appear in the player logs, so I'll do some testing later to see if I can fix whatever is causing that

[quartz ether]

C:/Users/iSynt/AppData/Local/Temp/ZeekerssRBLX/Lethal Company/Crashes

need crash dump

[trim breach]

what moon were you on when the game crashed

[radiant nymph]

Junic

[trim breach]

and did 3 mimics spawn that were mimicking players

[radiant nymph]

I believe so yeah

[trim breach]

then as far as i can tell

butteryfixes did not generate an error here

[radiant nymph]

@quartz ether

[trim breach]

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(EnemyAI), "SubtractFromPowerLevel")]
[HarmonyPrefix]
static void PreSubtractFromPowerLevel(EnemyAI __instance, ref bool ___removedPowerLevel)
{
    MaskedPlayerEnemy maskedPlayerEnemy = __instance as MaskedPlayerEnemy;
    if (maskedPlayerEnemy != null)
    {
        // should always work correctly for the host?
        // I've only had mimickingPlayer desync on client
        if (!___removedPowerLevel && maskedPlayerEnemy.mimickingPlayer != null)
        {
            Plugin.Logger.LogInfo("\"Masked\" was mimicking a player; will not subtract from power level");
            ___removedPowerLevel = true;
        }
    }

[HarmonyPatch(typeof(MaskedPlayerEnemy), nameof(MaskedPlayerEnemy.KillEnemy))]
[HarmonyPostfix]
static void MaskedPlayerEnemyPostKillEnemy(MaskedPlayerEnemy __instance)
{
    Animator mapDot = __instance.transform.Find("Misc/MapDot")?.GetComponent<Animator>();
    if (mapDot != null)
    {
        mapDot.enabled = false;
        Plugin.Logger.LogInfo("Stop animating masked radar dot");
    }
}

this is the only code i have running when mimics get killed (or, in this case, deleted)

and im not sure i understand why it would crash after running on 3 mimics vs running on 1

[radiant nymph]

Me either, it could just be it was the last thing that logged, that also was logged after the game started despawning enemies

[quartz ether]

crash happened here

and here what main thread is doing

Looks like memory corruption hapenned

@trim breach probably you're currupting the memory by disabling the animator lol

or someone else

[trim breach]

im not sure why that would happen

but i did just add this to be safe

static void MaskedPlayerEnemyPostKillEnemy(MaskedPlayerEnemy __instance, bool destroy)
{
    if (destroy)
        return;

the code doesn't need to be run anyway when the mimic gets deleted

[trim breach]

a friend recently informed me that some objects show "can't hold until ship has landed" that aren't meant to

like the chemical jug (which has no networked functionality or special use at all)

so i will probably be doing a pass on that for consistency

outside of that i think the update is probably ready for release

i pulled the fancy manor doors thing out

or, rather, never finished putting it in

because im still not sure whether or not i want to make that a separate release

but the rest of the changelog is starting to pile up and i want to push this stuff out

[trim breach]

ok, ive pushed 1.5.5

the kidnapper fox no longer kills inside the ship unless it's been damaged or stunned

i've made some improvements to spray paint (overridden by betterspraypaint, which i would suggest using once it's updated for v56)

some more fixes for the end-of-round scrap screen

and bodies are now collected when teleported into the ship

there's some other small stuff but those are the big 4 things, probably

[radiant nymph]

Btw just to clarify this wouldn't be cus of ButteryFixes right?

[trim breach]

this doesn't look like it'd be related to anything i'm doing

[radiant nymph]

Yeah didn't think so

[radiant nymph]

Got an idea what mods might?

[woven tartan]

I blame 1A3 for this

[trim breach]

no idea

[woven tartan]

CruiserImproved is reportedly preventing enemy spawns?

[trim breach]

that's what i've heard

not sure if it's been strictly confirmed

[woven tartan]

This is tarnishing the credibility of my sticker

[daring steeple]

Worth mentioning that not all modders may even want that kinda thing

[woven tartan]

Why is that?

[daring steeple]

Steam Workshop has a lot of pros and cons that can get abit bleh

[woven tartan]

from face value i could see that

[daring steeple]

There's a reason no one in the skyrim community uses it

[trim breach]

@smoky current hey just to check

[smoky current]

hm

[trim breach]

when you were saying "centralconfig breaks the fire exit flip"

were you playing on artifice

[smoky current]

march

[trim breach]

i see

nvm then

[smoky current]

are you able to reproduce?

[trim breach]

i just realized artifice's exterior exit is facing the wrong way

and i was wondering if that's what you were referring to

but i suppose not

[smoky current]

ah

[trim breach]

kind of a goofy mistake on my end

[woven tartan]

I face the interior when entering thru fire exits with CC

[trim breach]

but i've barely played artifice on v56 🥲

[smoky current]

same i always die on tier 3 moons

i mostly play solo

so

[trim breach]

the game got way harder in v56

at least for my group of friends

probably because we keep trying to use the car

[woven tartan]

Is this fix referring to the doors themselves or the direction the player is facing upon entering ?

[trim breach]

but idk... it's just too fun...

[smoky current]

ugh buttery can i ask of something

u know those weird boilers in the factory interior

that turrets can spawn inside of

in the stairwells

[trim breach]

you are supposed to face forward when you walk through the doors

just like main

always

but i messed up and artifice faces you sideways

[trim breach]

yeah

wrong reply but yeah

[woven tartan]

Ah okay yea

[smoky current]

i would like to see that fixed at some point

if possible

[woven tartan]

It works for me with CC

[trim breach]

i need to double check how zeekerss generates turrets

[smoky current]

idk what the deal is with that

[trim breach]

but i might be able to fix that

i will say

[smoky current]

items can spawn inside of it too which is a bit annoying but not as bad

[trim breach]

traps generate host side

so it's safe to put that in butteryfixes

which i try to keep mostly client side and host side only

i just want to do it properly, and it might take me some time to look into how to do that

[smoky current]

i might ask batby

oh

speak of the devil

[daring steeple]

Depending on the cost of path checking in theory you could try and raycast and check path both ways between the spot and the doorways in the tile prefab?

semi related at the very least you can also raycast from the player targetted by the turret to the turret to confirm the turret can correctly shoot the player

since turrets spawning in walls will cast thru the mesh backface and hit nothing

[smoky current]

i think its just super odd that anything can spawn inside of those boiler things, what causes that

[daring steeple]

positions are sampled via navmesh

navmesh baking isn't perfect

[smoky current]

i see

[trim breach]

almost all of the random spawns sample for navmesh positions

[smoky current]

i figured

but

[trim breach]

but zeekerss doesn't check any pathing, only samples the navmesh itself

[smoky current]

can you not put a brush there or something to exclude it from being sampled

[trim breach]

so you can have valid spots on the navmesh

that aren't actually connected to "playable space"

but they wouldn't be invalidated because no pathing checks occur

[trim breach]

you can put navmeshobstacles, or put a collider there

i forget if you block navmesh with layers or if you have to use navmesh modifier volumes

it's been a while since i've last used the system

[daring steeple]

can mess with both iirc

[trim breach]

but there is 100% a way to do it

i just need to figure out what would be the best way

[smoky current]

would be interesting to see at some point

and by interesting i mean would satiate one of my nitpicks

but yea

[daring steeple]

@smoky current for reference here's Dine's navmesh and some super bulk path checking.

green means theres a valid path from that square to the ship and main entrance, and vis versa
red means there isnt
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1264041409682477106/1264041960478605412/image.png?ex=669f1150&is=669dbfd0&hm=50e9291607ed842a202a21f9944429f78febdbf2f191844e3350b987c44bd3a0&

using path checking for validation and cull a lot of unintended baking

[smoky current]

yeah you made the thing on the right correct

[daring steeple]

ye

[smoky current]

does it work interior?

[daring steeple]

the core idea can work in any game really

Navmesh baking is done without any context of how it's being used. This just gives it some context

[smoky current]

i just didnt know if it could be generated realtime post dungeon generation

[daring steeple]

the entire navmesh is generated in realtime every level

[smoky current]

well i knew the vanilla one was at least

[smoky current]

so does your system work on top of the vanilla navmesh generation or does it replace it entirely

i dont get that part

[daring steeple]

on top!

[smoky current]

i see

[daring steeple]

we do a normal bake then iterate on that data

[smoky current]

ah

i bet it would work really well in practice

no more vains on top of buildings i think ?

[daring steeple]

yes

[smoky current]

ohh right i remember you proposing a watered down version of this as a potential fix for the issue

[brazen vapor]

scraps can also spawn in it no ?

[smoky current]

^

[brazen vapor]

yeap i was skipping some text lol

[smoky current]

yea they do

frequently

always scan in stairwells

you can still grab em' out

[brazen vapor]

its kinda bad for new player who barely have the scanning mindset

[smoky current]

mhm

hopefully it gets actually fixed in official capacity at some point because its a bug that has plagued the game i imagine since launch

at least since v40

[brazen vapor]

ive seen turret spawn inside the wall on the 2nd floor in the locker room sometimes

dunno if its fixed lol

[smoky current]

i imagine batby's solution would prevent any and all of these issues from happening

including turrets spawning floating over those gaps where you jump across the beam inside the wall

[whole bridge]

It seems like using this mod with Everything Can Die prevents the Old Bird from dying.

Could the fix for being ran over by a car be optional, or is this easy to fix?

[trim breach]

yes i can probably do auto-compat for this

not sure when i will release 1.5.6 (i might just release it early to hotfix some minor annoying stuff)

but it will let old birds die

if you have everythingcandie enabled

[trim breach]

@whole bridge v1.5.6 should allow old birds to "die" again if you have everythingcandie installed

it has just released but i dont know how long it will take for thunderstore to show it

[whole bridge]

Thanks! I'll watch for the update

[whole bridge]

I don't think it worked, the same logs are still appearing that cancel the Old Bird's death

[trim breach]

in v1.5.6?

[whole bridge]

Yeah I think so

I'll try again

[trim breach]

does your log print CROSS-COMPATIBILITY - Everything Can Die detected?

[whole bridge]

I actually did look for that originally since I knew CROSS-COMPATIBILITY logs normally appear for the mod, but I couldn't find it

[trim breach]

if it's not there

can you send me the version of everythingcandie you are using

i pulled the GUID from the original mod so it's weird that it wouldn't be detected

[whole bridge]

[20:04:15.0721782] [Info : BepInEx] Loading [Buttery Fixes 1.5.6]
[20:04:15.0776915] [Info :Buttery Fixes] CROSS-COMPATIBILITY - GeneralImprovements detected
[20:04:15.0786905] [Info :Buttery Fixes] CROSS-COMPATIBILITY - LethalFixes detected
[20:04:15.0786905] [Info :Buttery Fixes] CROSS-COMPATIBILITY - Ladder patch will be disabled
[20:04:15.0786905] [Info :Buttery Fixes] CROSS-COMPATIBILITY - EnableEnemyMesh patch will be disabled
[20:04:15.6161658] [Info :Buttery Fixes] Buttery Fixes v1.5.6 loaded

[trim breach]

but maybe if there's a fork or if the GUID changed or something

oh wait

nvm

i see what my problem was

siiigh

i didnt add everythingcandie as a soft dependency

[whole bridge]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TheFluff/EverythingCanDie/

Oh

[trim breach]

so if everythingcandie loads after butteryfixes it won't be detected in time to enable cross compat

this is a really easy fix and i will just go ahead and push 1.5.7 for it

might take some more time

to show up

sorry about that

[whole bridge]

No its good, also yes it does load after

[trim breach]

okay it's pushed

only change in v1.5.7 is (hopefully) fixing the ECD thing

[woven tartan]

We love you

So slick

So buttery

So fixed

[whole bridge]

Yep we're good this time

Probably idk I didn't shoot the thing yet

[whole bridge]

It probably does work, but now I'm struggling to get EverythingCanDie to work on its own

[woven tartan]

LQ better

[whole bridge]

I would, but I'm using another mod that depends on EverythingCanDie

[woven tartan]

Which one?

[whole bridge]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Piggy/DeathAnimationss/

I don't know if Piggy will ever get back to it, but I like the Jester one

[woven tartan]

Oh yea I would love these

I don’t think it’s a hard dependency though

[whole bridge]

Can you think of a reason why LethalToolbox would be setting the Old Bird's health back to 3?

Scratch that, can you think of a reason why Wesley's Interiors would be setting its health?

[woven tartan]

how do you know this is happening? and wouldnt it be the moon not the interior

[whole bridge]

Well when I turn Wesley's Interiors back off it works just fine

But I have no idea why

I'm going to try with another Interior mod just to make sure I'm not singling Wesley out

Ok I'm singling Wesley out

[woven tartan]

so it is wesleys interiors doing it?

[whole bridge]

I think so, but I'm going to test it with only EverythingCanDie and Wesley's Interiors just to make sure

[woven tartan]

interesting

[whole bridge]

Ok 75% sure that its Wesley's since I just killed it in 3 shots with only Piggy's Variety Mod (For the gun), Wesley's Interiors, and EverythingCanDie

[trim breach]

3 is the default HP for old birds

so it could really be anything

i recall batby saying there are some problems with lethallevelloader and resources.findobjectsoftypeall

[whole bridge]

That's why its so strange, because in EverythingCanDie I have it set to 50hp, but with Wesley's Interiors installed its reset to 3

[trim breach]

and everythingcandie uses the latter*

[woven tartan]

hmm. curious how it would work with LQ instead

[trim breach]

so it might be that everythingcandie is replacing the health of the wrong scriptableobject's prefab

[woven tartan]

cuz ive never had discrepancies with LQ and HP / killable etc

[whole bridge]

Honestly it probably would, I should try that

[woven tartan]

i honestly think it must be a soft dependency between DeathAnimations and EverythingCanDie i highly doubt it wont load without EverythingCanDie

[whole bridge]

I'll try that rq, just to see if I can avoid all this

[woven tartan]

just add the OldBird to the global section and don't check the Rarity checkbox

then check the Killable and HP sections

and change the hp to 1

or whatever you want it

[trim breach]

just to throw it out there

old birds are programmed to not take damage

[woven tartan]

ah

well

[trim breach]

like, all of the damageable enemies in this game register an override for HitEnemy that subtracts their health

[whole bridge]

fair, fair

[trim breach]

that code does not exist for the old bird

so unless you use a mod that adds functionality to allow the old bird to take damage, hitting it with weapons still won't do anything

[woven tartan]

yea surely would require a patch which is probably included in EverythingCanDie but i doubt it for LQ but

lemme know @whole bridge

[trim breach]

the reason the cruiser can kill old birds is because it jumps straight to KillEnemy

[woven tartan]

EverythingCanDie does this apparently cuz he said it died in 3 shots

[trim breach]

it might, yeah

[whole bridge]

Just so you can see (bros hitbox is so janky it makes it so hard to hit)

[trim breach]

the only part of the old bird that would take damage in vanilla is its claw hand

enemies use the same hitbox for damaging the player as they do for taking damage

for old birds that's the claw, so it can pick you up and blowtorch you

if you have a mod that changes its colliders that might no longer apply

[thorn breach]

Which is reaaaaally annoying when making custom enemies, and im too lazy to make a script that does it better

[woven tartan]

so what about the eye on a nutcracker?

[whole bridge]

What about the 7+ pellets that pierce through your body

[trim breach]

the entire nutcracker takes damage

but its HitEnemy override only subtracts HP if the nutcracker is inspecting or in the attack phase

during both of which the head is popped open and the eye is visible

[trim breach]

you can hit the nutcracker anywhere on its body as long as one of these is true, and it will take damage

[marble fulcrum]

Everything Can Die uses a function to see if the enemy can take damage from the player or not, if they can't take damage then it uses a custom function that handles the enemy's HP and death

[trim breach]

i figure, yeah

im just saying that swapping it for another mod is probably not going to work

unless it's another mod that defines its own damage functionality

[marble fulcrum]

I guess if there's another mod that does the same thing as Everything Can Die (in this case for the Old Bird) then one of the two mods is completely overridden

[woven tartan]

whats the word?

[whole bridge]

Imma be honest I haven't used this before, where do I even start?

[woven tartan]

go to the global section on the left-hand side

[whole bridge]

continue

Ok thank you

[woven tartan]

then

[whole bridge]

I didn't know thats how I get that to appear

[woven tartan]

do this for the Enemies, Outside enemies, and Daytime enemies sections

it wont mess with anything else as long as you only check those 3 boxes

i am going to make an FAQ tutorial video once BananaPuncher updates the mod for v56

[whole bridge]

Good that's definately something I need

So I used LQ, and now It isn't killable

[woven tartan]

checks out with what buttery was saying

@foggy ore another thing to note for when you work on LQ

[foggy ore]

the killable flag unfortunately does not have the ability to make an unkillable enemy killable, since the custom logic for getting hurt is dependent on each enemy type. all you can really do is make a killable enemy immortal

[woven tartan]

"EverythingCanDie uses a function to see if the enemy can take damage from the player or not, if they can't take damage then it uses a custom function that handles the enemy's HP and death"

not sure if this is outside the scope of something you could integrate into LQ

[foggy ore]

probably, im not entirely sure i want to modify the logic of how enemies handle their hp, i'd rather allow for only configuration of values only

[woven tartan]

word. if LQ overrides everything at the last step then i guess there wouldn't be incompatibility with EverythingCanDie?

ngl i just wanna use the web UI i already have 3 massive configs to mess with

the idea of adding EverythingCanDie makes me suffer mentally

🤣

[whole bridge]

Todays lesson for me: Stop breaking the damn game Don't try to make Old Birds killable

Also were you emailing Wesley on the Old Bird problem or somethin else?

[woven tartan]

something else entirely

dark dark things

[whole bridge]

Nah its probably a rickroll

or a cube

[woven tartan]

much more questionable

[whole bridge]

You wouldn't

a- a rectangle?

[woven tartan]

think of the combination of two things

oiled

and up

[whole bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-eyebrow-flipped-horizontally-gif-24025048

[woven tartan]

is MeleeFixes still viable for v56?

@trim breach

[trim breach]

yes

[woven tartan]

tanks

[woven tartan]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/woodroach/BugfixBundle/

[solid dagger]

Ladder sprint fix is in buttery already isn't it?

[woven tartan]

i dont believe so

if it is then they don't conflict but i will remove it

i dont see anything pertaining to it in any of the other mod configs

[trim breach]

it is yes

[woven tartan]

kk

[woven tartan]

are there any other mods you think i should add to this modpack?

NestFix

LCMaxSoundsFix

[trim breach]

lcmaxsoundsfix is good

i thought about making it a "dependency" for enemysoundfixes because it is a good complement

but i opted not to since it's not technically required for enemysoundfixes to function

i havent actually used nestfix myself since i dont play with modded moons

but it's a nice addition for some custom moons with funky terrain

[trim breach]

thinking in the next patch

i might try to disable a bunch of unused shit under the map in experimentation

there's a bunch of props just sitting out there

and idk if it's getting culled or not

but it might be eating up some additional renderer resources

[woven tartan]

duly named

[thorn breach]

I wonder how worth it it is to delete 90% of the unused and unseeable terrain on moons like experimentation and titan

[trim breach]

can't tell if this looks weird on dine or not

with all the other setdressing shit

it does look pretty nice on rend

[radiant nymph]

I like it

[trim breach]

probably looks the best on artifice

[radiant nymph]

I like it a lot, you're adding this as an option? ^^

[trim breach]

yes

i wasnt sure whether to do it as a separate mod or not

and that sort of indecisiveness wound up delaying its inclusion from the previous few updates

but i went ahead and actually finished it now

[radiant nymph]

Noice ^^

[woven tartan]

Cooler Doors config option?

[fleet lintel]

idk if this sort of thing really belongs in a fixes mod

[woven tartan]

it will fix the ugliness

[fleet lintel]

what about some kind of entrance door framework mod that interior devs can hook into and make their own entrance to match their interior? could be kinda ambitious but i like the idea

[trim breach]

it is maybe sort of pushing the limits of scope

but the main reason i dont want to make it into its own mod is exactly because im not that interested in expanding on it

what's seen here only applies to rend, dine, and artifice, since they spawn manor more frequently than factory

[woven tartan]

vanilla player spotted

[trim breach]

it doesn't dynamically swap based on interior, so if you get an artifice factory the doors will mismatch again

and it won't match any of the other maps getting a manor swap

[fleet lintel]

ohhhh i see now. i thought it was a dynamic thing

[trim breach]

it's more of a small bonus, than anything

i just lumped it in with all the scene changes that happen when you land (like the dine death pit change, etc.)

although tbf if anybody decided to make an extended version of this i would be happy to let them take the ball and run with it

[fleet lintel]

i was gonna say, my main concern is that it's a thing that only applies to the mansion interior so it'd be weird to have that one thing be different from all other interiors

[trim breach]

na, this implementation is map specific

it wouldnt apply to custom interiors or custom moons

[trim breach]

because unfortunately

[woven tartan]

what??

[trim breach]

i play with only the vanilla moons and interiors

as you have surmised

so this change is limited to the scope of what i actually use

[fleet lintel]

is it because you don't like the custom content or you just haven't gotten into it

[trim breach]

i've played with it from time to time

it's cool as its own experience

but i havent encountered anything that seamlessly fits into lethal company

they are both separate experiences that i enjoy but my time primarily goes towards just playing with vanilla content

im not a fan of any of the enemy mods i've seen up to this point

but i think it's a lot easier to find cool moons

[woven tartan]

the ones bundled with harvestmoons are pretty dope

a blind puppy, a giant baboon hawk

albiet not totally fresh enemies

cool variations though

they arent just scaled to a different size either they have unique models

i like to put the blind puppy as an inside enemy

makes people shit their pants

[fleet lintel]

i see

disagree though, i think there's plenty of stuff out there that fits a vanilla style pack

[fleet lintel]

i agree for the most part, but i'd have to recommend The Locker if you're looking for good, vanilla-style enemies

[sullen wadi]

oh these look sick

[oak sun]

Hello
I've discovered that this mod or a conflict with this mod occasionally causes interior desync-issues with vanilla clients and hosts.
A sign that this bug is happening is checking the weather of moons on day 1. For vanilla it is always the same. Or maybe its an intended feature but it's kindof not something I want in HQ and in general in public gameplay.

I haven't fully confirmed that this mod causes the desync issue but I'll see if it happens again in the future. here's my mod profile, i get the "bug" when Butteryfixes is disabled and i hope disabling it will also fix my rare desync issues where I or other players fall through the floor and die when entering facility

@trim breach

I also get an orange "random seed 07090890" popup on the bottom right when landing on gordion/moons, idk if that is intended but it differs vanilla so I thought i would mention it

[woven tartan]

If one of your pals has shitty internet or a bad DNS resolver this can happen to it might not even be mods

None of ButteryFixes really have anything to do with async or multiplayer tho, im trying to better understand the thought process?

[versed sapphire]

A sign that this bug is happening is checking the weather of moons on day 1. For vanilla it is always the same.

it's the same because the number of moons is the same, that's how vanilla works 😅

[woven tartan]

Isn’t the weather always the same on day 1 even modded with your weather mods?

Or there’s a config to randomize it

[versed sapphire]

umm

weathertweaks makes it the same

registry doesn't care

[oak sun]

it is. with butteryfixes installed it isn't

and for other players the weather displayed in the terminal is the same as vanilla

ie, different from mine

[versed sapphire]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/WeatherRegistry/

some good ol' weather sync is always welcome

[oak sun]

is this part of or a dependency of buttery fixes? i dont want nonvanilla weather on day1

[fleet lintel]

weatherregistry simply syncs weather between host and client (i believe, readme doesn't say for certain)
if you want butteryfixes to not randomize the weather on day 1 then you need to disable this setting

[trim breach]

the interior desync was caused by loadstone

the rest of this sounds like intended behavior

[trim breach]

disable the setting here if you want weather to be standard

oops didnt mean to ping

[fleet lintel]

i think loadstone just got a new update that might fix interior desync

[trim breach]

weather desyncing is a vanilla bug caused by latejoin mods

i cant "fix" it since additional networking would make the mod all clients instead of clientside/host only

the closest i could do is rerandomize weather on all clients when a new client joins

but sales would still desync because it requires info from previous days

[trim breach]

yeah it should be fixed now

[trim breach]

to expand on this

landing at the company and leaving changes the random map seed

but it wont call the function that sets weather based on the random seed

so all previously connected players see the weather from the previous seed

but anyone that joins mid game (only possible with lobbycontrol, latecompany, shiplobby, etc.) has to recalculate weather

and they use the new seed since that is what is given by the server

as long as you never land at company (outside of the day that you sell for quota) or never invite other players immediately after landing at the company weather shouldnt desync

[trim breach]

this setting does randomize the starting seed but users are given the seed on connection

so if you invite immediately after opening the lobby, host and clients would have the same seed and calculate the same weather

[smoky current]

I would like to add that I think this setting is completely broken with weathertweaks because of this setting

[trim breach]

oh maybe

you might want to disable it if you have something else touching the seed, just to be safe

[smoky current]

whatever the case, the seed is always the same on first day regardless of what i have option set to

yeah you're probably right

[smoky current]

i wish there was an option to just Not use this

[fleet lintel]

set it to -1 maybe? i have no idea because i don't use WeatherTweaks, but in my experience that's usually how it works

[smoky current]

oh maybe

[versed sapphire]

well, that's what it's for

[smoky current]

no yea i know

[versed sapphire]

and the config is literally there 🥺

unless you mean the normal weathertweaks

i might take care of it later tbh

[smoky current]

oh im using the normal one

[versed sapphire]

it's bothering me as well

[smoky current]

i dont have these options

[versed sapphire]

alrighty

i'll play with that today

[woven tartan]

I haven’t had interior desync for weeks

I’m scared to update if that’s what the update is supposed to fix since I already wasn’t having problems. Haha

[trim breach]

the update won't break it if it hasn't been broken for you

but it fixes a situation that could previously cause it to break

there was a bug causing unspecified behavior

[woven tartan]

Hmm interesting

I may give it a shot but I’ll make a backup

Haven’t had any inventory lockups or desyncs or any funny business which is a rare precious accomplishment for me so scared to change ANYTHING

[trim breach]

any inventory lockups
this is a vanilla bug but it is more likely to happen if you use mods to remove delays between certain actions

[woven tartan]

yep I got rid of GeneralImprovements and HotbarPlus and it happens very very rarely

I have a friend who spams pickup/drop random scrap items in the ship like an ADHD tick

And it only happens to him

I think TestAccountFixes and LethalFixes and AdditionalNetworking all work cohesively to help prevent it

[smoky current]

Unrelated buttery but I'm either getting really lucky or fire exit flip is working with central config now

[trim breach]

lol

well, that's nice

[oak sun]

i looked through the config of buttery fixes and didn't want any of the changes so i set them all to false. is there any other reason I should keep the mod that doesn't show up in the config?

[trim breach]

there is a ton of stuff that isnt in the config

ive changed a bunch but the highlights are on the readme page

[oak sun]

i really hope the loadstone thing is fixed because I dont like dying for no reason

[trim breach]

the changelog has more complete notes if you feel like reading all of those

but its kind of a lot

[oak sun]

ok yeah there is some useful stuff

ermm, elaborate

I'm torn on using this mod in vanilla, because I sometimes play "High quota" in breads discord and generally I'm just so used to all these disadvantages that come from longstanding bugs that involve powerlevel, AI, etc.
and i do i lot of pubbing so half of this will only be active when hosting. which is inconsistent

it's not like i've actually ever played for a record though

and rad mechs being able to spawn without the prop

[trim breach]

well i make so many changes that there's no way it's valid for record runs

in general

and i don't want to make config settings for absolutely everything because huge configs are ugly and unappealing

it's kind of a package deal, although i try to be sort of conservative with my changes

[woven tartan]

tldr; yes

[trim breach]

to clarify, the cruiser is allowed to kill anything with the canDie flag set to true

canDie must be set to true for enemies to be killable by the earth leviathan

so although old birds are impervious to weapons (shovel, knife, and shotgun)

they are marked as killable so that they can be deleted by the earth leviathan's attack

zeekerss never gave them a proper death animation or behavior because the only way they could die before v55 was getting completely deleted

but v55 lets you instakill enemies with the company cruiser, and it skips over the damage functions used by normal weapons

and it doesn't delete enemies like the earth leviathan

so if you crash the car into an old bird at top speed, it "dies" in vanilla

but it has no death behavior defined

[woven tartan]

that reminds me, I need to configure EverythingCanDie today since we found it LethalQuantities doesn’t necessarily make enemies killable

[trim breach]

so it just freezes in place for the rest of the day

[woven tartan]

Piggy had a dope DeathAnimations mod but so far only has jester

Would seem simple enough to just have it trigger Ragdoll physics though

[trim breach]

old birds dont have a ragdoll set up at all

[oak sun]

ok so this mods stops oldbirds from being killable with the car? It wasn't worded in a way that I was certain what this bugfix did

[trim breach]

yeah, crashing the car into old birds just wont do anything with this mod enabled

it prevents old birds from dying unless they are specifically destroyed (like from an earth leviathan)

[oak sun]

I personally don't want that change unless zeekers does it himself. I'd like that to be configurable

I'm used to disabling them with the cruiser

[trim breach]

are you usually hosting your games?

[oak sun]

no, but occasionally I am, i hosted today

Dying because of a radmech camping the ship/magnet and crashing the CC or not is a big gameplay difference

[trim breach]

i see

i will probably just add a setting for it in v1.6 then

[smoky current]

I feel like you're going to have a rude awakening next patch tbh
they're canonically weapons of war and arent supposed to be killable

but ig we'll see

[oak sun]

as I said i'm fine with zeek doing it

implying there will be bugfixes

[smoky current]

yes Denton I am implying there will be bug fixes in the next update

[azure mirage]

i had this happen to me yesterday, one time for host and one time for client

i dont have any mods that change delay

[smoky current]

testaccountfixes includes a configurable bind that can fix your inventory when this happens (alongside an automatic fix that works on its own usually)

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TestAccount666/TestAccountFixes/

[azure mirage]

oh yea forgot about that

[brazen vapor]

GI have scroll delay option dunno if u have it

[smoky current]

has helped me out a good amount of times

Also if you use hotbar plus I would disable the automatic switching to other items on drop

It has caused my inventory to get stuck while selling items in the past

[azure mirage]

i have GI but those settings are on false

and just another thing i noticed yesterday is that certain scrap spawns in the air, like toyhammer

[brazen vapor]

i only see numbers tho unless youre talking about changing it s number back to vanilla

[azure mirage]

oh damn i misread the config i thought you could just set the other settings to false and it didnt activate the scroll thingie

[brazen vapor]

this one

but yea if u have test account fixes it should be mostly fine

[azure mirage]

i changed to vanilla numbers and hopefully that helps

[brazen vapor]

[trim breach]

was sort of considering adding the mapper tools to v1.6

as a configurable setting

since this mod has dipped its toes into restoring unused content before

but i think it's probably a little out of scope so i might instead yank that out and put it in a separate plugin

[woven tartan]

What is that?

[trim breach]

it's an unused item

it's basically a portable ship camera

[woven tartan]

Oh okay nice. Sounds very slick and buttery

[trim breach]

you left click and it shows you whoever is targetted by the ship radar

at the cost of 5% battery

[whole bridge]

That would be a nice addition to the store

It's like the Remote Radar but bad

[hollow fable]

personally, i would like this addition

[trim breach]

the silo

[solid dagger]

the silo

[woven tartan]

the silo

[hollow fable]

the silo

[smoky current]

me

[fleet lintel]

what other features restore unused content?

[smoky current]

i actually have no idea lmao, i only know of snowy dropship having the unused sound

[trim breach]

both of the resolution settings are unused from vanilla

you can really stretch "unused content" to mean things like keys actually providing you $3 if you enable the scrap setting, or mask hornets being 2 power level instead of 0

whether that's "unused features" or "fixed bugs" is up for interpretation

anyways i do feel that this mapper thing probably belongs in its own release

it'll cause discounts to desync unless everyone is using the mod and has the setting enabled

and it'll let you order mappers as a client in vanilla games

although i think it will cause errors when the dropship is opened by the host

even as a config setting, i've been trying to keep butteryfixes strictly "host only" and/or "client side"

it's also not "fixing" anything

[smoky current]

I'd call these both bugs personally but yk

the resolution settings are def unused features

so you got me there

[woven tartan]

So slick and buttery so yummy

[smoky current]

stop that!!

[fleet lintel]

oh yeah

if you can find more cut/unused content honestly i would probably like to see that in its own mod, sounds interesting. idk how much there is

[woven tartan]

noooo

[woven tartan]

Gives the lasso man AI 🤠?

[smoky current]

poor buttery 😭

[trim breach]

the lasso man has AI

it's just a duplicate of an earlier version of the thumper

i could fix its damage timer so it can actually kill players

[smoky current]

i think they mean restoring them as a functional enemy

[trim breach]

and i guess fix its animations

but i'm not gonna like, completely redesign an enemy

[smoky current]

It has a pull attack though

what abt that

start pulling or whatever

[trim breach]

it has an animation with no logic attached to it

[smoky current]

yeah

[trim breach]

so i have no idea how it was supposed to function

[smoky current]

You can probably infer. from the name

tbf

I think restoring lasso properly is a lot more work than ppl realize

its so unfinished

i doubt it was just an enemy that walks towards you and hurts you. that's so lame

[trim breach]

definitely not

there's no other enemy where zeekerss was just like "alright let me copy paste this entire script and change the damage type from Mauling to Strangulation"

and called it a day

[smoky current]

i mean there are definitely a lot of enemies that do this

but

idk i just feel like he had something else in mind here