Central Config

[fast charm]

are you using CC to edit the prices of moons

[hot slate]

Yes

[fast charm]

Could you like uh

not do that maybe

is that an option

like using LLL instead

[hot slate]

No

[fast charm]

for that specifically

[hot slate]

You can't edit spawn curves/hazards via LLL

[fast charm]

no i mean

like

[hot slate]

Hm

[fast charm]

dont turn off cc

[hot slate]

CentralConfig will take priority regardless since that's how it's made

So I believe the desync will still be there

[fast charm]

try turning on LLL config for my custom moons like this and edit the price here

[hot slate]

I could try after this round

[fast charm]

my code only takes this value from this entry

so you dont have to worry abt the other shit

afaik

[fast charm]

just dont modify the moon price with CC?

or does it always override it

i dont remember tbh

[hot slate]

Always override it, and I'm also afraid the two might conflict anyway

and make things

not work as intended

[fast charm]

well

cc doesnt touch my entries

so i really dont think anything would happen

so long as you dont edit the vanilla levels

[hot slate]

That's a really confusing way to word it

[lilac sorrel]

only if you set it to override it

[fast charm]

oh ok

[hot slate]

Will having both on at the same time cause any conflicts?

[fast charm]

yeah so just disable the price and then edit the price on Custom Level: whatever the moon is

[hot slate]

Or will they work if they're 1:1

[fast charm]

i dont see why it wouldnt work

i dont think you even have to make it 1:1

just change the price and it should only read that alone and anything else you changed through CC should remain as is

in theory

[lilac sorrel]

on your moon?

[fast charm]

yeah

when you join the lobby it sets the price from the custom level

so modifying it applies the modified value

i tested this earlier

[hot slate]

Wouldn't they be fighting over trying to spawn completely different things though

[lilac sorrel]

did you change it? nothing applied to your cyrllic moons applies to the vanilla moons

the point of how I set it up is that the cryllic moons don't exist

they are unroutable and only exist to use as a scene

[fast charm]

ive always done it like this (albeit this is a bit more optimized than it used to be)

so it applies the data from my selectablelevels

cc is able to override it

[hot slate]

Yeah, I still can't replicate the issue via LAN

So I can't try anything rn

[fast charm]

then its ran here

[lilac sorrel]

you are setting the vanilla moon values yes? I can't differentiate between the latin and cyrillic letters

[fast charm]

oh yes sorry

those are just the normal words

on the left there

[summer moon]

dont wanna but in but just a heads up

[fast charm]

i dont think i reference the cyrillic letters anywhere

anymore

it only exists so the planet name is correct when you land

visually

[summer moon]

anything deriving from UnityEngine.Object can be 1:1 copied using the instantiate function and passing in the object you want to copy

[lilac sorrel]

I'm still not sure why you made duplicate moons when you are only changing the vanilla moons including the scene? Is it just to force lll to display another?

[river wind]

...explains why we were somehow routed to march when it cost 250...

[hot slate]

Seems like I'm not the only one

[fast charm]

i tried but you're not able to load scenes from lethalbundles unless they're attached to a selectablelevel from the extendedmod

[lilac sorrel]

...only when using rebalanced moons right?

[lilac sorrel]

interesting

[river wind]

probably yeah

[hot slate]

Probably? Do you use them, or not?

[river wind]

i use them

i don't think i read it right thats why i said probably..

[hot slate]

Ah

[fast charm]

I just don't understand how this sort of thing wouldn't be replicable in a lan environment

doesn't make sense to me

[hot slate]

We could debug together whenever you're on your computer if you want Ig

[lilac sorrel]

lan IS admitible funny, I either can't recreate OR only get certain issues from mods/modpacks in lan

hell the clients don't even seem synced up in time (tested in pure vanilla)

[fast charm]

hm

lass

just wondering

do you sync the moon prices across all clients

for cc

because the moon prices visible on the terminal are clientside

[lilac sorrel]

nah I'm horrible at networking, I just make sure anything that clients need is set for them as well

[fast charm]

i just had to do a PR for DiminishingReturns because it wasn't syncing its moon discounts on client

[lilac sorrel]

so clients generate the routeprice config setting and they get to whatever they have there, cc does use csync but they may simply not work since I am cracked out and use config entries in a way csync may have not anticipated

[fast charm]

oh so the moon price option is a synced entry?

or

i did end up using csync to fix this and it worked for me

so thats odd

[lilac sorrel]

in theory it is synced BUT

1. I create those entries dynamically during runtime and
2. they are generated as dictionary binds <ExtendedLevel, int> for instance during a foreach loop

[river wind]

i just discovered that clients cannot route to moons that cost negative credits D:

[fast charm]

why on earth are you even doing that

[river wind]

cuz funny

[fast charm]

ah

[river wind]

its supposed to be a gamble moon you can of course abuse it by just routing back and fourth but thats no fun....

[fast charm]

anyways as I've shown before all my mod does is change RoutePrice during StartOfRound.Start, if overriding my prices with CentralConfig works on the host's end only then I have a hunch there is something awry with the way CentralConfig applies prices on the client's end

[lilac sorrel]

I made it so that I get paid for dying

[fast charm]

by that i mean its probably done at a different period or just done differently

im not sure

[lilac sorrel]

its the same way as it does the clients, the run the same postifix and there is no check for host

it could be from desynced configs if csync isn't working

[fast charm]

in theory though blanca and whoever else probably have the same config anyways

[hot slate]

Yes, we did

[fast charm]

anyways regardless

if the client is still showing the prices i set, you can just use LLL to override the custom moon's price and it'll just read it from there anyways

you don't have to touch anything else

you never actually route to these moons

it just reads the data from them and then CC (in theory) applies its settings after

but for some reason price doesnt sync on client. so

if thats the only error then you can just do that

[lilac sorrel]

that is what is still confusing me, wouldn't it be using the vanilla route price since you can't be typing the cyrillic one into the terminal?

[fast charm]

no because i do this

in applyrebalance

it basically is just vanilla moon price = cyrillic moon price

[lilac sorrel]

the cc entries are only the vanilla ones, you can't set it on te cyrillic directly there

[fast charm]

yeah thats why im saying just use LLL's config for changing that only

should be fine

your mod does not touch my moons so it doesnt matter if you enable the configurations for them I'm pretty sure

[rain bear]

@lilac sorrel in CC you have functionality for dungeon size / scrap amount scaling for more players. Is there anything planned for scaling enemy spawns (e.g. multipliers for enemy power) for more players?

[lilac sorrel]

I didn’t think about that before

The enemy power wouldn’t be changing how fast they spawn tho, or may just make them cap off a little sooner

[rain bear]

Hm that's true, but could be used in conjunction with your raised cap through the FreeThem setting, to couldn't it?

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah if you make them spawn faster too

Actually wait that doubles it already

[rain bear]

Wait what doubles it? Accelerate enemy spawning? 😅

[lilac sorrel]

free them

makes them spawn hourly

[normal dew]

I am tempted to enable that, but does it make the game unfairly unbalanced? I do want more monsters in my facility as they have been feeling empty in the past

[lilac sorrel]

it basically is just uncapping them and letting them spawn a little faster

if you have spawnenemyspawnrates and boosts the power counts for moons you can have a couple enemies spawn each wave

[rain bear]

No matter what configuration I seem to do, Peepers are still finding their way through the cracks and making themselves able to spawn, even if I set them to weight:0 in the per-moon strings, any thoughts @lilac sorrel ?

[normal dew]

yeah but by uncapping I'm understanding "have fun with 20 old birds on artifice"

[frozen crystal]

artifice has other spawn weights

unless you have only old birds

[normal dew]

yeah it was an exaggeration, I just would like to know if uncapped makes the game unfair or still sort of balanced

[frozen crystal]

well

the other spawn weights and power level limits still exist

[lilac sorrel]

Are they in the default values?

[heady arch]

@lilac sorrel i've made a thingy (again): https://github.com/ImpulsiveLad/CentralConfig/pull/12

[lilac sorrel]

Ok

[normal dew]

I thought removing, or atleast putting the power level limit incredibly high is what it did??

[frozen crystal]

@lilac sorrel im not sure if its just a conflict with another mod

but for some reason i cant make mask hornets spawn from vents inside

i put "Butler Bees:100"

[clear olive]

anyway to get the moon description to scroll down, swear it used to at one point

[frozen crystal]

ok correction

they cannot be spawned anywhere at all

[clear olive]

nvm fixed

[lilac sorrel]

maybe its hard coded into them?

[frozen crystal]

not sure

[rain bear]

I definitely know butler bees are included in LLL inside strings of some modded moons

[frozen crystal]

have you seen them spawn

[rain bear]

Hmm, now that I think of it I can't say that I have. I'll do some testing and suss it out

[lilac sorrel]

but have they ever spawned that way?

some people (wesle) are chronically silly and put the funny guys in the tables

[rain bear]

Strangely enough, they're not in the default values, despite having their own default values through the peepers mod config. Strange?

[lilac sorrel]

hm

maybe I didn't add them to my enemytype list or he changed something

[rain bear]

Through minimal testing, if set to 0 in config for daytime enemies, they seem to only pop up late in the spawn cycle so maybe they register for nighttime enemies too, and perhaps I need to set nighttime peepers to weight:0 everywhere, dunno though

[lilac sorrel]

I don't think I added them to my enemy list so I'll do that next time I update

[rain bear]

Yeah sweet, I've definitely retested it and the buggers are still popping up, despite setting nighttime peepers to weight:0 as well
But pretty sure they're primarily a daytime enemy

[tidal fern]

Would it be possible to add a max spawn count option for enemies? It seems that the central config ignores the max count for modded enemies.

This doesn't work for example

[lilac sorrel]

ah I don't edit max count on any enemies

[tidal fern]

hmm i wonder what causes it

[lilac sorrel]

pjonk in particular could be odd to count since it makes babies

like if you see 3 near each other It may just be the offspring?

[spiral lake]

what does this mod do? and hwo do i use it?

[lilac sorrel]

everything

read the descs

[prisma comet]

I see you have offsprings on as Lass said it's how Pjonk works. Even while running away with the egg it can hatch and spawn one.

@lilac sorrel I'm Debating on using this but did have a couple questions.
Do I need to set up everything? Like if I leave the scrap part alone will scrap and modded scrap continue to spawn as they normally would? Or would modded scrap not spawn?

I'm mainly Debating on this for interior control and possibly monsters.

[spiral lake]

i did, i dont understand it. does it have its own software? or is it just for modifying the vanilla game?

[lilac sorrel]

no its config settings and uses code to apply them

[lilac sorrel]

yes, default values are populated

[spiral lake]

im new to modding, can you explain it to me like im 5 please

[lilac sorrel]

without turning stuff on, barely any code changes stuff

[prisma comet]

Oh that's perfect.

[lilac sorrel]

you can set scrap pools, enemy pools, moon stats, interior selection chances, I have some custom stuff for scan nodes, shuffling around chances of things being selected, fines, player count scaling, etc

[spiral lake]

ahh makes sense, thank you

[tidal fern]

There was 3 Pjonks and eggs and none of them were offsprings. Maybe it has to do with the fact that they were spawned as daytime enemy

[lilac sorrel]

you use the mod to customize stuff

[prisma comet]

That sounds like the offspring mechanic

[tidal fern]

do the offsprings grow into adults?

didn't know that

[prisma comet]

I don't think they do but another mod you have might have just caused them to be full grown size

Error while disconnecting: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at CentralConfig.ResetChanger+ResetOnDisconnect.Postfix () [0x00006] in <92b9f33a1fd041e59f4ca213526cf177>:IL_0006
at (wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetworkManager.DMDGameNetworkManager::Disconnect(GameNetworkManager)
at GameNetworkManager.OnApplicationQuit () [0x00015] in <b5c9757a4ecc4ee1b8a83c58c3df2def>:IL_0015

all I did was load a game to generate it and closed out. Is this harmless and due to not having anything set yet?

[lilac sorrel]

It’s harmless, just a thing not set not being reunset

[summer moon]

(If another mod is postfixing that after you it’ll break their stuff tho)

[lilac sorrel]

hm fair

[indigo knoll]

Any chance we could get enemy shuffler as a standalone mod

[lilac sorrel]

I could definetly easier here since I already have all the methods I need

[swift tangle]

I still have problems setting this :,]

[lilac sorrel]

what?

[frozen crystal]

@lilac sorrel suggestion
add code to prevent hives spawned by scrap loot table spawn weight from being conductive while inside the building

yes this is a real thing, idk why it happens specifically with bee hives

[lilac sorrel]

That’s odd

I can fix that tho

[small mortar]

@lilac sorrel Any plans to fix the disconnect error and merge Mrov's pr soon?

[lilac sorrel]

yeah I'll go through and update the stuff tomorrow if I can

just been depressed a bit

[small mortar]

I understand that feeling

[hot slate]

RivusaintHug

[lilac sorrel]

I actually can't recreate the disconnect error

are you doing anything funny when you disconnect?

I enabled all settings and null checked everything individually and the only thing sometimes null is my plugin class

but without changing anything it suddenly works seemingly regardless of what I do even in my pack of 200 mods

[small mortar]

Nope

Maybe see if it only happens when AsyncLoggers collects Stack Traces?

There's some errors that like to show up specifically when that is on for some reason

[lilac sorrel]

I have it collect stack traces and it doesn't happen

it is consistent for you?

[small mortar]

Yeah usually

[lilac sorrel]

or is it like every other instance of the game being open

[small mortar]

Maybe try landing and going back in orbit and seeing if it repros then? Idk

[lilac sorrel]

i tried that

[small mortar]

Well there's how I have my config setup

[lilac sorrel]

using that I don't get it on 0.16.0

[small mortar]

Does it repro if you have a client join and then disconnect the lobby?

[lilac sorrel]

oh maybe I don't have a client

almost everthing checks if u r the host tho

[heady arch]

is the error even serious enough tbh

good ol' try-catch time 🤭

[lilac sorrel]

nah nothing happens for client, it would just be checking if this config exists and if they are the host for most of it then it logs a thing and sets an int to 0

[lilac sorrel]

batby thinks it could be but realistically probably not

[heady arch]

if it could impact postfixes after you

just make yours a super-high priority

so it runs last

which is not a great thing to do

but also 🤷‍♀️

[lilac sorrel]

ok I can't recreate the removeduplicateenemies error that one person reported even when using unregistered enemies and jibberish config values

[lilac sorrel]

wait is it on disconnect or was it always on closing the game

I thought it was on disconnecting

@small mortar do you get the issue when closing the game or when leaving a lobby?

[small mortar]

Leaving a lobby

Do you get it if

You leave a lobby then rehost it?

Cus I see it most commonly when doing that

[lilac sorrel]

well the error you've been sending doesn't have anything to do with leaving a lobby

is it in the OnApplicationQuit() one?

[small mortar]

I have it happen everytime I disconnect from a lobby then reopen it

Cus sometimes I have to do lobby reloads

So maybe that's what does it?

idk

[lilac sorrel]

Like this is not on disconnecting I think

[small mortar]

It is

He loaded a game and closed out to the lobby

[lilac sorrel]

yeah I can't recreate that

I think its probably my host check

only in multiplayer

[small mortar]

Yeah probably

[lilac sorrel]

the networkmanager is destroyed

[lilac sorrel]

fixes {0.16.1}

• Peepers are now included in the enemytype list and can be spawned in spawn pools, enemyname is peeper it is not in default values because it has its own spawn mechanics typically.

• Made indoor beehives no longer conductive.

• Fixed disconnect null by using a seperate bool instead of a networkmanager property.

• Accepted new WR pr.

[rain bear]

@lilac sorrel how does CC handle spawning beehives? It's by putting them in EnemyOverrides as Red Locust Bees:{weight} right?

[lilac sorrel]

when red locust bees spawn they create a hive where they spawned

putting hive as a weight in the scrap pool shouldn't spawn bees

[rain bear]

Yeah cool so normally, okay thanks

Just having weird desyncs with beehives lately and dunno what's causing it
I surmise it is likely to be BCM, just cos it's been doing funky stuff lately

[lilac sorrel]

What’s bcm?

[tawdry heath]

Brutal company minus maybe?

[frozen crystal]

its not brutal company minus

im pretty sure centralconfig just changes how circuit bees spawn

[lilac sorrel]

it doesn't

it just changes the hive object .scrapvalue and the scannodes scrapvalue

[frozen crystal]

thats weird cause i also experience circuit bees spawning after the ship lands

i never reported it because to me its not really a major issue

[lilac sorrel]

yeah that happens if they don't spawn at the beginning of the day

[frozen crystal]

and i only assumed it was CC cause it wasnt happening before

[frozen crystal]

well, thats the problem
they literally arent supposed to in vanilla

[lilac sorrel]

it should happen in vanilla too as long as the power count doesn't get filled at 8am

[frozen crystal]

circuit bees spawn curve specifically tanks it down to 0 after the first spawn cycle wave (7 AM)

[lilac sorrel]

ah ok so flatten curves does that

[frozen crystal]

i dont know if i even have that enabled tbh

i cant check rn

[orchid beacon]

@lilac sorrel does this overide lethallevelloader

[frozen crystal]

it does yes

[lilac sorrel]

its overrides only settings you set in it

it doesn't override it being a library or anything

[frozen crystal]

ok i know this is in the config but i cant find it now lol

nvm i found it 💀

im not gonna lie i feel stupid as fuck reading this effects what monsters spawn and not the curves they have

[rain bear]

Does BigLists affect the FlattenCurves at all? Because I know with BigLists you don't get visually as much tweakability as you do with doing Moon overrides separately

[rain bear]

FYI @lilac sorrel I was testing earlier and Peepers still managed to slip through the cracks when set with CC only, I've re-configured the peepers.cfg to blacklist certain moons, but just thought you should know

[lilac sorrel]

You would have to make them have 0 spawns in the peepers config

[lilac sorrel]

No, flattencurves sets the enemy spawn curves throughout the day to 0,1 1,1

[frozen crystal]

ultimately i decided to keep the flatten setting on because i want barbers to spawn more often but also i have circuit bees spawn indoors on a moon in my mod pack and i feel it would be jank if i turn it off

i dont even understand why barbers decrease their chance as the day progresses...

zeekerss really made this guy be on life support

[rain bear]

But I thought CC overrides spawns from other configs/mods? Isn't that what it does with everything else or am I mistaken?

[frozen crystal]

theres probably a few outlying things centralconfig does not take priority over

[rain bear]

Also excuse my stupidity here but can you describe this in layman's terms? 😅 I'm still not sure what that does

[frozen crystal]

whatever reasons those are i cannot say

[frozen crystal]

i can do this

every monster has a specific spawn curve attached to them that increases or decreases depending on two factors
the time of the day
how many of that monster has spawned

flattencurves disables these

but its only really significant for nutcrackers, masked, barbers, and circuit bees

[rain bear]

So that spawn curve is attached to the monsters themselves? Nothing to do with moon spawnrates?

[frozen crystal]

the moons spawn curve is what decides how often monsters spawn, then each monster has its own curve that effects their chance to be selected

[rain bear]

So the flattening from CC impacts the monster curves only, right?

[frozen crystal]

yes

[rain bear]

Awesome, thanks 😎

[frozen crystal]

if you want specifics
nutcrackers increase their spawnrate for every two that spawn
masked increase their spawn rate every hour and for each one that spawns
barbers decrease their spawn rate every hour
circuit bees immediately drop their curve to 0 after 7 AM passes

ghost girl also decreases her spawn rate every hour but thats not really super significant in comparison to those 4

brackens and jesters also uniquely start with a lower spawn rate than other monsters

[rain bear]

And if I flatten the rates, do/can Barbers still spawn in packs of 2+ with BarberFixes?

[frozen crystal]

of course

[rain bear]

Mmkay
I think a flattening is in order then
That can be another day's job

Thanks!

[frozen crystal]

shouldve seen the 100 spawn weight masked on offense incident in my mod pack

[lilac sorrel]

His mod is independent, he isn’t adding them to a spawnlist but instead using his one hourly chance for a group to spawn outside

Only 1 ever spawns when using spawn pools because that is the enemytype value, his configs 2-4 is his mechanism

[rain bear]

Oh! Interesting to know

[orchid beacon]

Flatten Enemy Curves?
If set to true, this setting flattens all personal enemy probability curves to a constant value of 1. This ensures that enemy spawning is based solely on their rarity, making the enemy spawn pool rarities accurate.

What does this mean

What is a personal enemy probability

[lilac sorrel]

the spawnlist of enemies isn't neccarily accurate on its own

each enemy has a separate multiplier for their chance to spawn evaluated from the current time of the day

[orchid beacon]

oh so if its night then a enemy has a higher chance

[frozen crystal]

the chance can also increase from how many of that enemy has spawned

nutcrackers increase their chance by a bit over 1% for every 2 that spawn

both variables can also decrease the chances, although only barbers, ghost girl, and circuit bees decrease as time goes on, none do from amount spawned

the bracken and jester also uniquely start with a lower spawn chance than average

circuit bees instantly set their curve to 0 after 7 AM

so if you use flattencurves, they can spawn at random daytime spawn intervals

thats the most noticable effect of it though, its actually pretty nice for barbers if you also use barberfixes

[rain bear]

Wait so using FlattenCurves circuit bees (and their hives) spawn at random daytime spawn intervals? Won't that lead to more desyncs lol

[frozen crystal]

i dont think theres any major desync issues

[rain bear]

Hm, is there a way to make the beehives spawn at the start of the day only but everything else be flattened?

Or ig the solution to that is just FlattenCurves=false?

Okay nvm I'm so dumb I thought flattening would help the hives from popping up randomly which seems to lead to desyncs but I'm just stupid ignore me everything is fine

[kindred gorge]

ok i know this is oddly specific but how have you guys gone about balancing the enemy spawns of moons? im currently importing all the config values into a spreadsheet so i can get some charts to look at, but idk how accurate the percentages are
idk if there is a factor more important than the enemy weight while configuring it

this sheet includes all modded and vanilla enemies that i have installed at the moment

i basically have it so that the weights are all in a sheet for the respective moon row which makes a graph

this is the current graph for acidir's interior enemies, and i haven't changed them at all yet

idk why the harpghost has such a high spawn weight ngl

other than the harpghost, does this graph seem accurate to what you would experience in-game?

it's my first time tweaking enemy spawns except for lowering enemy weights after a playtest session

i'd prefer to not be closing and reopening the game every time i want to efficiently work with the values to balance it

[lilac sorrel]

no, host and only the host handles the enemy spawning

the interior (if you have LLL), enemy spawn, scrap pools, are all synced as the host is the only one that chooses them then passes them on, the dungeon size is NOT synced

[indigo knoll]

fair honestly but if its something that would be reasonable / not to hard to do it would be quite nice as I dont need all the extra features CC provides

[keen wharf]

would it work if i use All: ?

[lilac sorrel]

it would not

you can do modded and vanilla

[keen wharf]

gotcha

[lilac sorrel]

those are tags

the global settings also adds to all

[small mortar]

Question since CC disables WeatherRegistry's Scrap Multiplier stuff how does that work? Does it auto convert the values you set or?

[lilac sorrel]

oh my math factors in wr

[small mortar]

Yeah I was just making sure if I setup custom values in WR those values still stick

cus I struck a pretty good balance recently lol

[frozen crystal]

@lilac sorrel are landmines, turrets, and spike traps using the flatten enemy curve setting?

[lilac sorrel]

no

the curves for those determine how many can spawn

[frozen crystal]

is there a setting that effects it?

ive been getting constant swarms of turrets on assurance and vow

[lilac sorrel]

nope, just random

[kindred gorge]

is there a way i can remove a piece of scrap globally?

wait nevermind im dumb ignore me

[kindred gorge]

wait real question this time, im trying to set enemy spawns in big lists and for some reason it's not spawning anything, and if it does spawn something, it's an enemy i specifically didn't place in the spawn pool

[lilac sorrel]

uh really?

you using any other settings?

big lists is working afaik

[rain bear]

can confirm

@lilac sorrel I know I briefly mentioned the idea and you said you hadn't thought about it, but a cfg option to "free them" at different values depending on # players, as well as increase max power count (which I assume is "scale enemy spawn rate") by a percentage depending on # players?

[olive brook]

is there a way to increase the amount/value of scrap on a interior rather than a whole moon

[kindred gorge]

nevermind im dumb and messed up something when pasting my spreadsheet configs

also, the moon that it happened on naturally had no inclusion in the big list (since there were no spawns) but there was still spawns in the individual moon's spawn list so it used that instead

[rain bear]

It's one and the same, under usual circumstances scrap should only generate inside the facility

This is notwithstanding other mods messing with scrap (e.g. exterior scrap from an event or something) but I'm pretty sure that doesn't factor in to moon min/max scrap values

[rain bear]

Tbf that's quite easy to do, I always have to replace a few characters when making my BigLists because of the formatting 😅 and I've forgotten the ~'s before and that messed everything up lol

[olive brook]

Im aware that it only spawns in the interior, im asking if its possible to increase the amount of scrap that spawns based on a interior, normally scrap spawns is based on the moon

[kindred gorge]

i have a google sheets formula that does it automatically now :)

[rain bear]

Ohhhh right I misread, apologies
Pretty sure you can inject scrap per interior, but I don't know that affects min/max. I'll have a look later if someone else doesn't reply before me 😂

[kindred gorge]

(i had to repaste it because i accidentally reset the big list to the default one lmao)

also my spreadsheet formula was missing the first 3 columns that had 3 of the enemies for some reason so i had to fix that too

[kindred gorge]

do you use google sheets for your configs?

if so, i just spent like, 16 hours over 2 days making a spreadsheet where you can organize all your config stuff and have it generate the big list

it technically requires a lot of time to fill in the enemy values, but i did just recieve a formula from someone that I can implement onto each page to make it easy to import your configs into the sheet

(may end up making a page for scrap too)

[olive brook]

alr thx

[rain bear]

I use excel, so same thing
But originally had it per-moon-per-group and I like how it's formatted, so I just remake it when I need to update the BigLists lol
Don't judge 😅

[kindred gorge]

honestly, fair enough

[lilac sorrel]

Hm percentage may work

[lilac sorrel]

+- scrap count by interior?

[rain bear]

@lilac sorrel I don't see Diversity's Watchers listed under min/max hazards anywhere, am I missing something? Where can I alter the per moon rates for them?

[rain bear]

This would be a cool feature, @olive brook you can only currently inject individual scraps, not alter min/max scrap per interior. Sorry for taking so long!

[lilac sorrel]

The hazards are vanilla only rn

There is not much consistency in how they are done so they all need custom handling

[rain bear]

Ooh interesting
So there's nothing I can do about custom Watcher weights per moon? I'm even sussing out LQ configs and I don't see anything about the Watcher

Oh, it's coded as a "DiversityEnemy" rather than "EnemyType"?
Bruh 💀

[rain bear]

Sorry for being annoying but is the Locker included in the BigLists?

[olive brook]

Alr all by good

[olive brook]

Yeah that would be great since normally the loot density on interiors are pretty bad so if I could just increase the value of the scrap or the amount that would be epic

[lilac sorrel]

true

[clever chasm]

bsl back???😮

[rain bear]

@lilac sorrel can I request a config for turning on/off Loadstone compatibility?
Just found out CC may turn off loadstone's async generation for some interiors

Edit: I a dumb

[small mortar]

It already exists

Turn off the dungeon safeguards

and it won't touch Loadstone

[rain bear]

Lol I just saw that message hahaha I was about to edit my comment

Sorry for the ping Lass

[small mortar]

@lilac sorrel I again request this mod just not touch Weather Multipliers if possible if not using any of the config options for it, I really don't like it overriding WeatherRegistry when I spent time to balance it out

[rain bear]

@small mortar you didn't seem to notice my DM but do you still use MaskTheDead?

[small mortar]

No.

I haven't used that mod in almost a year

It caused problems and I pulled it, it's been updated since but it no longer interests me tbh

[rain bear]

Okiedokie, what problems did it cause? (if you can remember)
Zombie hordes with masks and corpses?

[small mortar]

Just desyncs iirc

[rain bear]

Oh interesting
Good to know thankyou

[small mortar]

Like I said it was updated since so no idea if it still causes problems

[orchid beacon]

Central config is not bad, except for the multiplier and the loadstone thing.

But those can be turned off

[small mortar]

You can't turn it off messing with WR

[orchid beacon]

@lilac sorrel can you add a config

[rain bear]

I haven't done a significant amount of testing with it but I don't seem to be able to get mask possession of corpses working with it, so might be broken

[small mortar]

I already asked her to do that if you would have looked up a bit

[orchid beacon]

She probably got off

[rain bear]

CC is amazing* correction

[lilac sorrel]

impossible

wr is coded to override scrap values last time i checked so i have to handle it

[small mortar]

I mean I don't see why CC needs to override that though

[lilac sorrel]

if not then wr overrides cc

[rain bear]

Can't you just put the WR values into CC for scrap multiplication?

[small mortar]

Yeah but it's a config option in WR, so why can't it be a config option in CC?

[small mortar]

Not that I am aware of no

[lilac sorrel]

what to not fetch the wr multipliers and just use 1?

[rain bear]

I don't have the configs in front of me but pretty sure it's just scrap injection by weather, then change the value/amount multipliers

[small mortar]

I mean if you setup custom values in WR does it auto convert them? Cus the way Mrov described it it just forcefully disables the WR stuff

[lilac sorrel]

yes, it uses wr values

as of right now if u don't want weather multipliers then you have to set it to 1x in the wr config

[small mortar]

Okay I was wondering since I've setup values like this for some weathers lol

As long as it converts them it's fine

Then I did this for Eclipsed

@heady arch Figured you would be interested in knowing this since you thought CC completely shut off your values

:3

[lilac sorrel]

im not sure if the scrap amount is applied, it can be tested, if not then i'll just have edit one method to fetch it

[small mortar]

@hot slate Maybe you can test this?

[hot slate]

Test what exactly?

[rain bear]

WR scrap amount/value multipliers = x99 with CC installed but not set to override; to see if CC overrides or not despite it not meaning to

[heady arch]

what's that then?
https://github.com/ImpulsiveLad/CentralConfig/blob/master/CentralConfig%2FDungeonConfig.cs#L1034-L1035

it runs every time WR is detected

[small mortar]

🤔

@lilac sorrel ?

[heady arch]

and the setting I've made a pr for disables WR patch completely

[heady arch]

so that's also incorrect

it is coded to replace, not multiply

but it's not always enabled

[rain bear]

Wait so when running both WR/WT & CC, what's the correct configs to set up to have weather multipliers correctly enacting for scrap?

[fast charm]

🙄

[rain bear]

Not what you asked but I just tried setting multiplier values in CC to wild amounts and it works
So if you're worried, literally just plug the same values from WR/WT into CC for the same functionality

[small mortar]

I wouldn't know how to manage it in CC for that, I would prefer to just use WR

[rain bear]

I'm sure it works in WR if you haven't played around with CC
But it's quite easy in CC:

1. Set Weathers > Enable Scrap Injection by Current Weather? = TRUE
2. Load up game, CC config will regenerate with all weather types
3. Each weather type (including modded, WT additive and WT progressive) will have "Add Scrap", "Scrap Count Multiplier" and "Scrap Value Multiplier". Leave Add Scrap = Empty, and just set the count/value multipliers to whatever decimal you want, 1 is default

[lilac sorrel]

That’s a problem

It overrides everything else then

[lilac sorrel]

Read the code more, the method under uses wr values

[small mortar]

WR only does that if you have it's bool toggle enabled though

I was wondering why CC doesn't do the same if you're not using it's settings, if the values are toggled off I don't see why it needs to overwrite stuff

This setting is what I'm talking about ofc

[rain bear]

Yeah so I was under the impression if this is set to true and CC's weather overrides are set to false it won't mess with anything
But I've not tested it

[small mortar]

Nah CC apparently overrides it regardless

But agreed that that is how it should work

[rain bear]

join us he screams in CentralConfig

[lilac sorrel]

It replaces more than just weather stuff

If you have wr set the scrap multiplier then it won’t factor in the moon multiplier, player scaling, etc from cc

[frozen crystal]

@lilac sorrel ok so funny bug i just found

apparently when you load the challenge moon as your first save file with centralconfig, its different from the one that would load when all of the stuff for centralconfig is properly loaded in

like, you know how the center monitor's info doesnt change if its edited initially

thats what i mean

[heady arch]

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherRegistry/blob/main/WeatherRegistry%2FPatches%2FSpawnScrapInLevel.cs#L14-L18

[heady arch]

if you have CC enabled, it literally disables WR's patch

you can read my values, replace them, whatever

WR's patch is not gonna run

[heady arch]

set the multipliers only in CC

[rain bear]

Nws, I already did and tested that
@small mortar guess you'll have to join the dark side
Kidding CC is pretty nice to use

[lilac sorrel]

Good, it shouldn’t

It overrides all my scrap values

[heady arch]

that's your assumption about my mod

i've literally added the toggle so you can disable it

thing is: it's always disabled, even if CC doesn't set any weather-related stuff

[orchid beacon]

What are the multipliers for weather registry

To my understanding I have to set the weather registry multiplier values in the CC config

[lilac sorrel]

I have my own but if you don’t use then and have wr installed it will input wr config instead

[orchid beacon]

oh I thought it just overides WR and puts nothing

wasn't that what they saying

[lilac sorrel]

Nah wr applies of you don’t set it to 1x in wr

[orchid beacon]

ok

[heady arch]

fresh profile, default settings, only WR and CC:

weatherregistry does not change anything

my mod does not do the things you claim

[orchid beacon]

@lilac sorrel

[heady arch]

just to confirm your claim: i've set Foggy's multipliers to (2,2) and landed there:

01943d91-27c6-aa67-0958-4cd62bee2224

[lilac sorrel]

its on your git

[heady arch]

I've just sent you the logs of what's happening

and from them you can clearly see that this part is triggered

meaning: the rest is not called

[lilac sorrel]

nice

[kindred gorge]

?

[small mortar]

After how this whole situation was handled I'mma put my foot down and never touch CC again unless Lass learns how to handle working out compatibility with other mod devs better. The attitude used here and lack of listening and trying to work with Mrov was annoying and this is a mod I would rather not include in my personal packs anymore. Sorry not sorry. Not saying it's a bad mod but this situation was handled and dealt with extremely poorly.

[lilac sorrel]

But there is no issue?

They are perfectly compatible, I went out of my way to include wr in the code

[lilac sorrel]

I have to go to work again but it makes sense if you read the code, wr cannot use its own applicator alongside other mods so I disable it and fetch the config of wr to apply weather multipliers

[orchid beacon]

But mrov tested and with your mod not having weather multipliers on it overrides the weather tweaks multiplier.

[lilac sorrel]

No? They show here that setting 2,2 in the config multiplies the scrap value, I think I have to add code to fetch the scrap amount

Mrov was showing that cc works with wr set

[orchid beacon]

@lilac sorrel I’m talking about this

[lilac sorrel]

oh wait i see wym

you want wr to apply?

is wr scrap multiplier enabled?

If it’s not enabled then that’s right

[orchid beacon]

I want to use the weather registry values but mrov is saying that central config overrides them and sets them to zero even when central config weather multiplier is zero

[lilac sorrel]

Just to clarify you mean not set instead of 0 yes? A multiplier of 0 will make it be no scrap

[orchid beacon]

I want WR multipliers

But mrov was saying that CC overrides it and sets the multipliers to 1 even with weather multiplier set to off in CC

[lilac sorrel]

Have you tested this?

[orchid beacon]

No but he just tested it in the screenshot and somebody else said the same thing

[lilac sorrel]

No? He sent me a ss showing that it works

[orchid beacon]

Oh

[lilac sorrel]

Changing the wr config updates the scrap value

[orchid beacon]

@chilly fiber was saying something about how CC overrides with the setting off

Wait

Wrong ping

@small mortar

[lilac sorrel]

That’s why it goes from 0.4 to 0.8 when he doubles it

[orchid beacon]

Ohh

[orchid beacon]

Ok, and second question. Does the enable safeguards when loading a level mess with loadstone?

[lilac sorrel]

Only if you are on black mesa

[orchid beacon]

Why only there

[lilac sorrel]

It fails to load a few hundred times when asynchronous generation is enabled in loadstone

[orchid beacon]

Oh

[night wagon]

I have a question with this mod I want to make indoor enemies to spawn faster. which factor do I have to change? Is it the speed scaler? I changed the value for indoor enemy power but still the speed of indoor enemy spawning and respawning is relatively slow

[lilac sorrel]

"faster" is a hard thing

specifically indoors enemies spawn every 2 hours

the spawn curve for the moon determines how many enemies to spawn, usually 1-3 enemies, they get assigned to vents, and spawn after a bit

Free Them? makes them spawn every hour (it is an integer so it cannot go below 1 without breaking)

ScaleEnemySpawnRate + increasing the power count for interiors enemies on that moon will make more enemies spawn, if it would spawn 3 enemies at 4pm, but you triple the power count, 9 enemies will spawn (if there is at least 9 vents)

so its not really a direct number to make more enemies spawn but you can figit those 3 settings to make interior enemies spawn in larger groups and faster

[night wagon]

Thank you for the quick response. I once checked Free them and it spawned hell of alot enemies. Does it maximizes the enemy power to 127 instantly? with the feature of enemy spawning every hour?

It just unlocks the cap right?

[lilac sorrel]

its very unlikely you would hit the 20 cap of enemies through the normal spawn cycles

[frozen crystal]

is that cap per each monster spawned or does killing one free space

[lilac sorrel]

it extends that to 127 AND makes indoor enemies spawn on the hour

[lilac sorrel]

im not quite sure

[night wagon]

Let me try with imperium

[heady arch]

I've sent you a screenshot showing that when nothing weather-related is set in CC, it still overrides Registry

so no

[lilac sorrel]

but it is not overriding it, it is factoring it in and applying it through a conjoined method

i think rn i only hook wr explicitly but it is set up to allow all weather multiplier mods to be considered by the host when determining the synced scrapvalue multiplier

[heady arch]

nothing about the weathers is set up, but it's still disabling registry from working

which is a different behaviour then other parts of your mod

and that's what it's about

[orchid beacon]

@lilac sorrel so should I just set the multiplers values from WR to CC until its fixed?

[lilac sorrel]

like the whole mod?

[lilac sorrel]

yeah, the scrap amount also only works in cc itself rn since i didn't add the code for that compat yet

[rain bear]

@lilac sorrel will you ever provide a config option to "randomise" your weather modifiers? Like a variable +/- within a set range on the modifiers themselves?

[lilac sorrel]

never thought of doing that

[rain bear]

Would you consider it? 🤗

[rain bear]

@lilac sorrel is there a way to alter base scrap values using CC?

[frozen crystal]

there is a mod called itemweights that lets you do this

however its kinda jank cause the default bind for adding items to the config is the i key

so if you dont change it, every time you type i while holding something, itemweights notifications pop up

[rain bear]

Is the keybind done through config or through in game controls?

[frozen crystal]

gamecontrols

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah scrap settings

For moons

Unless you mean the scrap itself

Like its own value range or weight

[rain bear]

Yeah I mean the own value range per scrap

[rain bear]

Mm right, though I'm guessing only the host can change values of items in game if they press that keybind? 👀

[frozen crystal]

its not live changing to my knowledge

[lilac sorrel]

Was tempted, it would make the config hella cluttered tho if you aren’t using a whitelist

[frozen crystal]

and im pretty sure itemweights syncs to host

otherwise it wouldnt work

but maybe im wrong

[lilac sorrel]

Yes, host spawns scrap in the level at the start of the round

Afterwards like enemies spawning an item needs to be networked more I think

[frozen crystal]

well not everyone has the scrap settings enabled to begin with in fairness

making itemweights obsolete would be something though

[rain bear]

Yeah exactly, but maybe I just suss and use itemweights we'll see

[lilac sorrel]

I think item weight needs to be synced

[frozen crystal]

im not gonna say you should do this, its kinda very specific, and itemweights works just fine, while also letting you alter some other things

and it would take a toll of time i presume

[lilac sorrel]

Not much, I’m fast but unmotivated

[rain bear]

That's fine, I want something that's configured and stays as is lol

[lilac sorrel]

I see

[night wagon]

This is blowing up my mind... maybe I am too stupid to understand the mod fully

I am testing with imperium mod and sometimes the enemy power level exceeds 30 or when it doesn't then I get like 3 blobs or 2 maneaters

I eliminated all the spawn rarity except for jester to see whether there could be more than 2 jesters but only 1 spawned

Kinda reset all the settings such as speed scaler, dungeon size etc except for the indoor enemy power and free them host only but still getting weird numbers of specific entity

If I am the only one getting this result then maybe I should check compatibility with other mods such as sell bodies mod

sorry to bother you again 😦

I was trying to figure it out by myself but took me 2 hours and still struggling...

[lilac sorrel]

yeah only 1 jester can spawn by in vanilla

each enemy has a specific spawn cap

I think the blobs is only 2 tho, not sure

[night wagon]

exactly, 2 is the cap for blob

also 1 is for maneater

but the number exceeds the spawn cap except for jester and girl

I can share my modpack if necessary

[lilac sorrel]

its hard to say, people have noticed that every now and then

[frozen crystal]

do you have any monster that spawns in monsters

[night wagon]

monsters spawn in monsters? what do you mean by that

[frozen crystal]

the puppeteer from coderebirth is the most recent example

when it gets to 1 health left, it spawns two masked

one of those masked has a chance to be something different, and two of those are one cap monsters by vanilla rules

that is all to say, generally those kind of monsters dont care about caps

if a jester is already on the map, thats not stopping one of those masked having a 5% chance to be a jester

at least to my knowledge

[night wagon]

As far as I know, none

trying to get rid of some mods

to figure out which mod is affecting

mods especially related to monsters

[shrewd sedge]

does this still turn off weather registry? its been awhile since i have played

[rain bear]

It doesn't turn off weather registry, I believe according to others it just overrides weather scrap multipliers set by weather registry configs. If you set up the scrap multipliers in central config instead it'll work as intended! 👍

[hot slate]

CentralConfig doesn't seem to be able to override MoreInterior's scrap spawns

Which is weird considering LLL can

[lilac sorrel]

Was more interiors picked up again?

Wasn’t it deprecated months ago?

[hot slate]

Yeah, but it's weird that this can't override it

MoreInteriors works as intended, just like Scoopy's Variety Mod

[fast charm]

No

MoreInteriors is still deprecated and hasn't been updated in 11 months

[hot slate]

Oh sorry

I worded that wrong

Dopadream is right

[lilac sorrel]

May have to do with how mi is injecting or registering items

[hot slate]

Can CentralConfig not override the video tapes of this mod 💔

Oh yeah

CentralConfig also overrides Chameleon's Offense video bug fix

Why does it do this

...At least for the host, I guess

[frozen crystal]

im not sure it is doing that
im pretty sure centralconfig doesnt mess with those at all

[fast charm]

it doesn't

wrong reply

[fast charm]

it doesn't

its probably this

[hot slate]

Even though

[lilac sorrel]

Whar?

I dont edit that screen

Not sure how you would tbh

[fast charm]

yeah its definitely not CC

weather registry was admittedly a guess

but its something else ig

[hot slate]

Hm

[orchid beacon]

@lilac sorrel does this mod cause interior desyncs?

[lilac sorrel]

only if you have desynced size configs

[orchid beacon]

what do you mean

[lilac sorrel]

if clients are setting the dungeon size smaller then the host it will be desynced

LLL syncs interior selection but not size through rpcs

[orchid beacon]

what if everyone has the same configs

[lilac sorrel]

you can't get a desync with this mod then

unless another mod is changing stuff later

[hot slate]

@lilac sorrel 01948c12-f835-3505-a432-1b16ee34feed

Vanilla moon prices revert back to normal after taking off from (I believe) the Company

E.g. Titan: $1000 > $700

[frozen crystal]

i dont think this is centralconfig

has not been happening to me

[hot slate]

I don't need ur input

[frozen crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1106705679537930430/447E9995-5CE7-4124-A55C-807167DB408B.gif

[hot slate]

@fast charm Might also have something to do with RebalancedMoons, Idk

[fast charm]

i apply prices when someone joins the lobby

to sync them

not when taking off from a moon or landing on one

[hot slate]

Yeah uh

Happened when I restarted my game, and reentered my save file, so it's not just a ship issue it seems

🥲

[fast charm]

if CC does its changes before i do then that will happen

not much i can do about that

[hot slate]

ough

[fast charm]

but i do my changes on quickmenumanager.start

which is immediately on lobby creation

idk how they'd be doing it before that

do you wnat me to just add a price config or something

[hot slate]

Disabled RM; no exomoon price desyncs now

[hot slate]

If it isn't too much of a hassle, I'd appreciate it, yeah

[fast charm]

yea no its cool

i dont mind

[hot slate]

Alright

[fast charm]

Done

@hot slate while im doing stuff rn is there any other config stuff you'd like to see?

maybe nothing too complicated lol

[hot slate]

Shit, I forgot to say thank you

Thank you

[hot slate]

Nop

[fast charm]

mk

[keen wharf]

wild 😭😭

[lilac sorrel]

i only set them once so anything can change the route price after

when the lobby opens it will set it to your config and never again

[mental merlin]

the dungeon chances i set in centralconfig dont work in-game, and when i checked logs, i saw LLL displaying completely incorrect interior values for the moon 0194900b-e9aa-9cef-e28e-382cf908ea59

idk if this is an LLL issue or a CC issue tho

[frozen crystal]

can you show your written string

there might be a typo in it or something

[mental merlin]

written string?

also i tested lethalquantities

didnt work either so its not an issue with cc

[lilac sorrel]

could be another mod overriding it during runtime

[frozen crystal]

"string" referring to the spawn weight list

[lilac sorrel]

yeah like experimentation:50,vow:40,march:10 etc for planetnames

[mental merlin]

oh yea thats def not the problem

well if lq didnt work either, its something else

i included the mod list above so

i have no clue what mod could be overriding interior chances

[frozen crystal]

@mental merlin its possibly because theres weights for liquidation, or because you have multiple interiors set up for march

which on top of that, why is there 3 separate weight entries for march

the reason march might be breaking it is because march is hard coded to only ever be one interior

[mental merlin]

idk i just installed the mod

[frozen crystal]

zeekerss intentionally made Facility3Exits for march, and march not able to generate any other interior besides the Facility3Exits one, because the manor and mineshaft are not compatible with multiple fire exits in vanilla

LLL does have a fix for this, but it does not change the fact there can only be one interior

[mental merlin]

tbh i didnt touch anything with march

[frozen crystal]

well

[mental merlin]

also idk what i did but i think the mod started to work again

[frozen crystal]

delete the entries for liquidation

and only have march set up for one interior

and maybe get rid of "March:300,March:300,March:300" in facilitys weight string

if its still broken idk

this is just my best guess, im not a mod incompatibility encyclopedia

[frozen crystal]

this also goes for regular facility btw

[mental merlin]

honestly all the weight entries were just generated so i have no clue why they are busted

[frozen crystal]

liquidation shouldnt even be generating entries

its not a valid moon, only basic stuff exists in the games files

[fast charm]

do you use mine perchance ?

just asking cuz rebalancedmoons is one of the few mods that overrides interior chances (it can be turned off)

[lilac sorrel]

yeah its in their modlist

[fast charm]

thn ya thats why

i have a host sided option to enable interior overrides on my end, just disable that

[mental merlin]

i do but i dont think it was the problem

unless ur mod overrides other modded moons

[fast charm]

oh

no

[lilac sorrel]

hm, could be something that moons dev does different

[summer moon]

no

[lilac sorrel]

batby do you plan on making dungeon size be rpc synced as dungeon selection is on lll?

[hot slate]

I'm not sure if CentralConfig is breaking Retinue's daytime spawns, or Retinue just has broken daytime spawns itself

0194a4d4-548f-fca7-f3c5-e5f2277aabe0

Pinging @jovial thicket just in case

This is what I have for reference

[jovial thicket]

I may be slow What do you mean by broken daytime spawns? Like nothing spawns?

[hot slate]

Yuh

Nothing within the Daytime category spawns

[lilac sorrel]

What enemies spawn without changing the pool?

Is this only with cc?

[jovial thicket]

Nah, I know the issue. They can spawn (I spotted Manticoils & Locusts in test runs I just did) but the daytime spawn curve on Retinue specifically is set so low that the overall chance of daytime enemies spawning is extremely rare

[hot slate]

Wtf 💔

[jovial thicket]

Yeah, honestly it's a lot lower than I intended. It's lower than any of the vanilla moons too, I'm gonna redo the curve next update

[lilac sorrel]

ah, I thought it may be curve related

[exotic saddle]

I had a question on how to do something with Central Config. If I'm not mistaken one thing it lets you do is take the current scrap/enemy pools of a moon and inject things based on tags. Is there a way to wipe the pools of moons before this process meaning they will only use injected scrap/enemies?

[lilac sorrel]

You can make the default spawn pools empty

[exotic saddle]

And when I type in monster and scrap IDs are they case sensetive?

[lilac sorrel]

Nah, capitalization and special characters don’t matter

[exotic saddle]

Alright, thanks

[lilac sorrel]

np

[exotic saddle]

What name is preferred by the mod?

[lilac sorrel]

whats that?

a scrap?

can be anything from 6pincable to 6%(*@(%)pin(@$*$)cable

or just 6 Pin Cable

[hot slate]

Six Pin Cable/6 Pin Cable was the codename I used

I can't remember which one it specifically was, but it was either of the two

[lilac sorrel]

ah

its the .itemname

it uses

[violet glade]

If I have this mod and WeatherRegistry installed is it possibile to use WeatherRegistry weights for weather chance?

[lilac sorrel]

yeah it doesn't change weather selection

[exotic saddle]

Is there a way to modify enemy spawn curves (Daytime, Nightime, Interior) using Central Config?

[exotic saddle]

Or other complex enemy spawning values, such as eclipse spawns and spawn ranges?

[frozen crystal]

im pretty sure the only setting you can do related to this is flattenenemycurves

this setting makes all monsters' personal spawn curves not apply to them, so barbers for example will no longer decrease their chance to spawn as the day progresses, nutcrackers wont increase their chance to spawn for every 2 that spawn, etc

its basically making their spawn weights accurate

the most noticable thing this changes is circuit bees spawning at random intervals

[lilac sorrel]

thats per each enemy

[lilac sorrel]

yes but not the shape of them, scale enemy spawn rate + a higher power count allows more to spawn and vice versa
accerlate enemies lets you crunch the curve and cause night enemies to come earlier or laster

[crude sentinel]

So

Would this mod force an enemy to spawn just based on its rarity being in the table?

For example like a Matriarch from HarvestMoons

If I wanted to spawn it as Interior on Experimentation

If I clear the enemy rarity list in CC and just add “Matriarch:999” for interior spawns it still will not spawn

I used to force enable enemy spawns universally with LethalQuantities and then use this mod to handle rarity

But it has issues with the new RoundManager start changes n stuff

[lilac sorrel]

Do you have Starlancers ai mod?

It sounds like you want an outdoor enemy inside which works just fine as long as you have the mod above to alternate their nav nodes

[exotic saddle]

LethalLevelLoader has a minimum and maximum total scrap value that can spawn on a moon (which as I understand it, would spawn more or less items to conform with those limits). Will moons I have configured their scrap amounts and individual scrap weights with CentralConfig ignore these limits or still try to conform to them? (Or am I misunderstanding what those values mean?)

[frozen crystal]

so funny story

those values do absolutely nothing

thats why centralconfig doesnt even have it as an option

[exotic saddle]

Well that's good, was getting worried I'd have to change those too lol

[frozen crystal]

all the game cares about is min/max scrap, and the scrap spawn weights

[exotic saddle]

Do those values potentially affect the end screen total scrap that is shown? (i.e. where you see who died and who lived and it says like 261/560 scrap, A)

Since I feel like that value sometimes has nothing to do with how much is actually on a moon

[crude sentinel]

no they are just there because Batby originally designed the config with that entry with the intention of having that feature

but they have no effect

[frozen crystal]

in vanilla, the bottomline does not consider the apparatus in the generator, bee hives that spawn with circuit bees, shotguns from nutcrackers, knives from butlers, and dead player bodies

if you want a mod to fix that, butteryfixes does so

[exotic saddle]

Cool, thanks!

[lilac sorrel]

What purple said yeah, its unused

[lilac sorrel]

I actually have a patch for that where it grabs the scrap value from everything in the level at the end of the day instead

[lilac sorrel]

I use that with cc but cc fixes that too yeah

[violet glade]

how max scrap on moon work with scrap amount multipliers like weather multipliers?

[frozen crystal]

depends on the scrap that spawns and the average generated amount

[violet glade]

But with scrap amount multiplier you can have more scrap than base max scrap?

[hot slate]

(Psst, don't forget that ButteryFixes only does the former, while ButteRyBalance does the latter)

IIrc

[frozen crystal]

the multiplier is for the value, not the min/max scrap

[violet glade]

there are also multipliers for scrap amount in WeatherRegistry

[frozen crystal]

idk if they both work together at the same time, one is prioritized, or a conflict happens

so just use one if you want to use one

[violet glade]

Is it possibile to set store items (like flashlight) as a scrap?

[lilac sorrel]

yes

[lilac sorrel]

these are multiplied in as well

if you have 20 max scrap with a 1.5 weather multiplier and 1.25 multiplier from a small team it will be 20 * 1.5 = 30 * 1.25 = 37

[crude sentinel]

yea it works smooth

this mod is working beautifully after my 6ish month break

it is just missing 1 thing and it would be pretty much totally all-in-one feature complete

and that's something like this:

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/GinjeesPacks/InteriorHazardsPlus/

configuration of spawn weight / amount for modded hazards

rn there is just vanilla

[timid jetty]

this is probably a dumb question. but i am trying to multiply the spawn chances of items depending on whether its stormy or not rather than adding. is this possible in the current mod or is it just adding? im fairly certain its just adding but i want to verify just in case

[frozen crystal]

it is just adding but i believe it will add onto spawn weight of whatever the item is if it already is in the default spawn weight string

so your solution can be for example
have big bolts spawn on every moon it can be stormy

[timid jetty]

honestly that works fine too

[frozen crystal]

and then add big bolt weight injection if its stormy

[ionic needle]

i think weatherregistry can do that

[timid jetty]

the updated version or in general becuase from what i know the updated version breaks the weather hiding feature

also we're talkin item spawn weights right and not spawn amount

[ionic needle]

oh i thought you wanted to multiply the item amount, my bad

[timid jetty]

nah dont worry its all good

shouldve phrased it better mb

[lilac sorrel]

I tried before but its pretty inconsistent, wonder what they loop

[lilac sorrel]

you mean multiply the weight of the item during the weather event?

I can't remember if I added that to it, if not there is still the set minimum you can set for the item weight during that weather

[crude sentinel]

That mod author supposedly has updated it to handle most of the modded hazards now, I have yet to test it

[lilac sorrel]

they probably do it manually then

[crude sentinel]

Btw is the Random Size integer Multiplier a default LLL / LC mechanic or is that unique to CentralConfig?

I’m almost done setting up my CC config to the fullest capabilities just a few technicalities I need to understand first

Nvm I checked message history im just relying on cell service rn and my reception is terrible

[lilac sorrel]

random size multiplier is not in lll config, all interiors have a base min/max size int that gets multiplied by the multiplier, the dungen target length is an integer

[crude sentinel]

Thank you

This mod is goated im very glad you’ve kept up development

Any serious modpack curator needs something like this

[lilac sorrel]

np, thanks for using it

[frozen crystal]

its true (i can confirm(fact))

[crude sentinel]

A modpack without fine tuning from something like this would be a hodgepodge

[frozen crystal]

i believe you can make a good mod pack without centralconfig

but it would be a bit scuff in a few areas

mainly modded monsters and scrap, and also choosing modded moons

[crude sentinel]

Yea the man issue to me is it being able to control or even see moon enemy power levels

Would have no idea how to scale price and reward

[frozen crystal]

thats not the hard part about it

the hard part is finding a suitable moon that fits "tiers" if you dont use centralconfig

you cant take siabudabu for example, decrease the price and the min/max scrap, and change the scrap that spawns, and its a different tier

cause those hazards are unchanged

and more importantly

the interior size isnt, and also the spawn curve

[crude sentinel]

Right, there would need to be a standard for moon values for what is considered balanced

Since they are kinda all over the place , a mod like this is necessity imo

altogether I have 78 moons so I’m just messing with a formula to scale all values in relation to price to balance increasing quota with progression

Been working on it for a few weeks gonna try it out with friends this weekend

[exotic saddle]

If I put an interior on a moon with a higher size multiplier than defined in the min/max size multipliers for that interior (also in central config), will that value simply be ignored? Or do I misunderstand the setting?

[exotic saddle]

The first image is what I mean by moon size multiplier, the second is what I mean by interior size min/max

[kindred smelt]

doess CC allow editing hazard spawn curves or just the min max of a hazard alloud

[lilac sorrel]

all of the hazard spawn curves should be linear

at least in all vanilla moons afaik

it gets a value from the min/max with equal distribution

[lilac sorrel]

it matters on the math but with the min/max of 1 yeah it would clamp at 1

I think the only think after that clamp would be the random int size of the interior itself

its been a bit

[fathom matrix]

is there a way I can increase a moons enemy power level with specific weathers?

All I can see is raising the chances of certain monsters appearing

[lilac sorrel]

I didn't add that, does Weather Registry have that as a feature?

[fathom matrix]

sadly no ;-;

I plan to use DustClouds as a weather to make moons that have it easier, so like a more beneficial weather, but atm I'm just limited to making not so difficult enemies spawn more and difficult enemies spawn less through centralconfig

[kindred smelt]

thanks! just asking cus i noticed after i added CC i started getting way more turrets then when i didnt have it. but theirs so many mods it could have been any thing changing stuff or even vanilla. so was jsut making sure it wasnt just something that got changed in configs i could mess with our we just happened to get unlucky and get a lot of spawns that session. (im not about to run a bunch of seeds and check) but if theirs no setting for it than nothing has changed and it was just a crazy set of seeds we got in a row that day

i also dont know how lethal things teleport hazards count against or with other hazards cus its something iv never had to think about before so who knows

[lilac sorrel]

they are counted on their own, only added through the lt config

[mystic warren]

Would it be possible for this mod to allow for the Red Pill and Lasso Man to spawn on moons? I know that neither are gameplay-balanced, but would like to include them on a goofy one-off moon in my modpack.

Their vanilla spawning code is seemingly disabled so I cannot just add them to the spawn pools, and the two mods that claim to restore their spawning are both broken

Great mod btw, as was said earlier this is a lifesaver for modpack devs

[fathom matrix]

Honestly I'd like a way to spawn lasso man as well

I know you can spawn Red Pill with LQ but I have yet to find a way to spawn Lasso ;-;

[mystic warren]

Being able to spawn Red Pill is a nice advantage of LQ, I just like this mod because I find it easier to use and I do not need LQ’s advanced features

[fathom matrix]

have you been able to summon Lasso in your modpack so far? I have an actual use for him but can't spawn him ;-;

[mystic warren]

I have tried to spawn both using a few methods, but nothing works

I really do not feel like switching everything over to LQ just for Red Pill 😭

[opal badger]

is there anyway to change the list the moons appear in?

i heard you can and need to verify here

[frozen crystal]

thats a LLL thing and its only by number of moons

you can sort it by price

but it will still be 3 per row

for example

[kindred smelt]

darmuhs terminal can sort price, difficulty,alphabetical and id number if you want other sorting methods

[lilac sorrel]

both have barely any code on them

best bet would be to download a mod that readds them and gives them some finished features

[lilac sorrel]

I wish, I asked if it could be added to terminal formatter but I don't think it was added yet

[fathom matrix]

there isn't a mod that does that and works

trust

LQ works with red pill though

[mystic warren]

I know but some people like me would still like to fool around with them

Lots of modded players are fine with sheer novelty. At least having the option would be nice

[mystic warren]

In my initial message I said there are none, none that work anyway. I did look

[opal badger]

will you concider adding it yourself

[lilac sorrel]

nah I've never worked with terminal

[opal badger]

darn

will the guy who made terminal formatter concider adding it?

[lilac sorrel]

u can ask

[mental merlin]

how should the values for dungeon route prices be like?

[frozen crystal]

thats your choice

generally i dont like messing with injection settinge

[mental merlin]

im asking like how do i write values for this string

[frozen crystal]

ooooh

that i dont know, sorry

[lilac sorrel]

iirc its n-n:r

like 0-100:50 for 50 rarity at moons that cost 0 to 100 credits

[mystic warren]

I have a modpack with Terra’s Scrap and Immersive Scrap, and some of the scrap between the two have the exact same Item Name, which appears to be confusing CC because it cannot tell them apart. Is there something that can be done to fix this conflict, such as letting CC read Asset Names or use the ExtendedMod content tags LLL already does?

[lilac sorrel]

I don't think the content tags would differentiate them much

its mostly stuff like two handed, weight, price, etc. not an id on its own

you could script a name change if you know how too but it could interfere with other mods

[mystic warren]

What about reading asset names? In this case, the two mods do have different asset names for stuff, including the ones with the same item names

[lilac sorrel]

If I added something like that it would be after the item name check hmm

Since it needs priority on grabbing a reference

[mystic warren]

It does not need to be the primary reference, just a layer of redundancy to prevent conflicts like there is here

[lilac sorrel]

Not an easy way to do it tho

[exotic saddle]

Is there a way to inject interiors based on tag?

[haughty skiff]

If i add a new modded enemy after generating the config, do i need to generate a new config/add that enemy into the enemy list manually?

[frozen crystal]

you dont need to generate a new config

just add their codename in the weight strings

[lilac sorrel]

Yeah, should be under that dungeons injections

[lilac sorrel]

You manually add it to the entries, if it’s in the default value then regenerating will put it into the entry but you wouldn’t want to do that if you manually configured that entry

[willow goblet]

does this mod still force off weather registry's value multipliers

[lilac sorrel]

I don't believe it ever did, the values are directly used from wr to calculate the scrap value

[willow goblet]

what was it doing disabling multipliers in weather reg config then

[lilac sorrel]

I think that used to be a seperate patch at the time that replaced the scrap value multiplier which negates all my other calculations for scrap value

[alpine rose]

Hello,
I am not a smart person, so I used chatgpt to help make an interface to also do configurations for dungeons and moon lists.
https://github.com/kunrian/randomstuff/blob/main/moondungeon.py

While I know Gale has the list function, I couldn't remember the list of moons I had constantly as I was editting, so I wanted an alternative option. To me, its easier this way, especially with dozens and dozens of moons. It also has the weights calculated for each moon that updates as you make changes, as well as can save the config file to have all changes.
I have no doubt tons of improvements could be made to it, but if it helps anyone, that's worth it. I can also delete this if asked. Thank you for your mod

I figured github, or pastebin otherwise, are really the only "safe" ways to share it so it can be seen fully

[lilac sorrel]

oh what? like instead of putting the moons under the dungeons you are putting dungeons under the moons?

[alpine rose]

correct; That way I can see the variation each moon has, in an easier format for myself. I'm able to picture it and categorize much easier this way; it edits the moon lists in each of the dungeon sections as well, so it works out!

[lilac sorrel]

neat

[swift tangle]

what is your goal?
Doing a LethalQuantities with CentralConfig?

[alpine rose]

to have an alternate way to add/edit the config file;
Easier for my head to process:
"Okay, here is the dungeon, and now here is a list of all of the current moons I have, and if they do or do not have the dungeon assigned to them"
vs.
"Okay, here is the dungeon, and now it has a vertical list of the current moons assigned. But wait, I have 70 moons right now! What are they all called?!"

[swift tangle]

Oh, I get it, I usually use an Excel to do that

and then I mark them with Green when I make the config fo that moon

[alpine rose]

I was thinking that, but two issues, mainly the first

1. I dont have excel/office on my home PC, only my work laptop, and damn me to hell if I open that on a day off
2. I wanted the ability to directly update it as I go along, and this visual representation is more ideal for myself.
   100% it'd be near identical to excel if I threw in color schemes and all that, but this was a nice alt. And literally only me typing more prompts I added in enemies + scrap options
   But, as the excel option above, that allows easier for difficulty sorting n all, price, all our good filters.

[frozen crystal]

seems overly complicated, but i guess its good for a fuck-load of moons

[swift tangle]

I've been using Google SpreadSheet because I don't have excel neither :]

[alpine rose]

1,000% overly complicated; just a nice visual change. And if it helps someone, yay! and if not, np!

[frozen crystal]

i just use my brain

i would rather have a spread sheet for like

bagconfig or something

or itemweights

[swift tangle]

I did that before, never again

[frozen crystal]

itemweights isnt a bad mod

the only bad thing is the default entry key

[swift tangle]

no, Itemweights is a good mod

[alpine rose]

I'm glad! and that's more than fine. For my brain this is more ideal. I'm sure others run similar trains of thought to yours, and other people may find this script more ideal

[swift tangle]

But doing an excel for that is a pain

[frozen crystal]

oh i see

[alpine rose]

I abhor google sheets solely due to my habits built with excel and a refusal to touch something similar to work.
So instead I do something similar to what I do at work and make crappy scripts

[swift tangle]

I have a job that has Google Sheets involved so I'm kinda used to it

[lilac sorrel]

I have to use spreadsheets in my bio lab this semester and I was able to formula everything for the group and arrange it all nice

[desert hamlet]

How would I make the cfg not change or touch anything related to tags

same for weather

[lilac sorrel]

it doesn't change weather at all, hasn't for a while

tags are just text, they have no game related function other than grouping data

[hot slate]

Stupid question, but can you spawn vain shrouds via spawn weight

[hot slate]

Update: no

Sadly no

[lilac sorrel]

they aren't enemies if thats what u mean

they have their own classes

[orchid beacon]

@lilac sorrel The game crashes when I click quit

[17:13:25.8800605] [Error : Unity Log] Error while disconnecting: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
at CentralConfig.ResetChanger+ResetOnDisconnect.Prefix () [0x00006] in <f8bfb02109ae4168bfa3bdf4d572e8d4>:IL_0006
at (wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetworkManager.DMDGameNetworkManager::Disconnect(GameNetworkManager)
at GameNetworkManager.OnApplicationQuit () [0x00015] in <bdf6a080e98a49fd84b92b24894f768c>:IL_0015

[frozen crystal]

i mean

youre closing the game anyways

why does this matter really..?

[orchid beacon]

I know but its annoying because it pops up with a unity error and takes 20 seconds to close because of the unity error

[frozen crystal]

thats crazy bruh

[frozen crystal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/856559902082990100/1118644332497481758/image0-16.gif

[frozen crystal]

quick apologies:
i assumed this effected nothing
@orchid beacon

[willow goblet]

Do you have soundapi

[orchid beacon]

yes

[willow goblet]

That's why

Soundapi causes the game to crash on close

[orchid beacon]

but the error is related to central config

[willow goblet]

Central config error is probably unrelated

I get similar errors with morecompany when leaving a lobby

[hot slate]

Do you have to use entity codenames for spawns

For both CC and LLL

E.g. can I just type Spore Lizard:100 to enter them into a moon's roster

[willow goblet]

you would do Puffer:100

it won't recognize Spore lizard