Code Rebirth [V§O∆X∆O§]

[cedar plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/transmission-transmit-post-this-cat-cat-least-expect-it-gif-10319838660013923911

[ashen peak]

i wasnt expecting that

[tawny hare]

i expected it

[olive vapor]

did these back when the updated dropped though i dont think i have time to do more

really love the designs though each one is so fun

[wise stag]

these look amazing

[olive vapor]

tyyy!

[cobalt mango]

Dude, fuck yes..

[cobalt mango]

oh

bye rogrigo

https://tenor.com/view/fish-baby-fish-baby-baby-fish-pet-fish-gif-21924537

[tacit badge]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-eddie-brock-i-won't-forget-you-buddy-movie-gif-8685490990918676290

[cedar plinth]

happy halloween lmao
you're peak has reminded me of that skin so i made this

[reef wolf]

its peamnits...

whyd he turn into artful

https://tenor.com/view/die-of-death-artful-artful-die-of-death-dod-artful-dod-gif-1644408646281635844

[cobalt mango]

https://tenor.com/view/artful-die-of-death-artful-die-of-death-artful-cross-roblox-gif-6683274369647677241

worst killer in the game

[reef wolf]

fartful crucifixion

[cobalt mango]

^^ won twice on temple with artful

[reef wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-smiling-friends-vanish-smiling-friends-sand-dust-smiling-friends-old-man-smiling-friends-funny-gif-3985486506214228246

harken when the entire enemy team is revolver

[cobalt mango]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-dead-piccolo-dbz-piccolo-jr-gif-16769527689058020721

pursuer when the map is grandma's backyard

(hes gonna get looped for 1 second of eternity)

((ifykyk))

[olive vapor]

LMAOO THIS IS GREAT

[hot light]

even if it's fated to not be released, i still gave it a whirl on how i would imagine it. 1 major decontamination facility with several smaller ones connected for some reason. arid environment. craggy. R E D.
used a larger template due to being a planet

[tacit badge]

sick asf

[desert current]

@wise stag hi, I need help regarding the gals in CR

[wise stag]

go on

[desert current]

I played the mod before the big recent update when Oxyde was added

And I could buy them

But now I can't

[wise stag]

yeah, you gotta get their parts and unlock them on the builder in oxyde's director cabin

[desert current]

Oh

But, what about the parts, do they appear on random moons just like scraps?

[wise stag]

super low chance for them to do that, the main way to get them is not that though but buying them from the merchant in oxyde

[desert current]

Because I played recently multiple times and didn't se them, but idk, maybe I am just blind

[desert current]

Mhm

Ok

Thank you very much for helping with my confusion

Also on an unrelated note, will Surfaced mod get updated to work on this version, or does it work now? Because I didn't test it but somebody said it doesn't' work

[tacit badge]

and also opening up safes

[desert current]

Omg, I hate them, I don't understand how you can distinguish them from mimics

I don't hear them breathing or growling if anything

So both mimics and normal versions are the same for me

So I don't risk anymore and just leave the boxes and safes alone

[wise stag]

before the last hit of wooden they growl decently loud but still quiet enough that u gotta pay attention, and for metal safe you can just open it while out of range (but the voice prompt still exists)

[wise stag]

eventually™

[desert current]

Ok, maybe it's because I played with low volume because I can't play loudly when my parents are near, it irritates them smh

Also my headphones™ are broken 💔

[wise stag]

rip

[tacit badge]

I disable the mimic safes

[desert current]

No matter how many times I tried to open them out of range, their tongue still gets me, but one time I tried to jump from getting grabbed and didn't help, but somehow I got bugged inside the mimic and got outside when I was locked, still got some damage afterwards matbe because the game still registered as me being inside the thing? After that I escaped the moon tho

[desert current]

Only the safes?

[tacit badge]

you find out waaay too late into the opening process if they're mimics or not, to where you already wasted a relatively significant amount of time on it so it doesn't feel good at all

[tacit badge]

well and crates too

[wise stag]

lol lucky

[tacit badge]

it doesn't work on the latest version, no

:(

[desert current]

Should'e recorded that, also that happened on the CTF moon made by DemonMae, you modders are very cool, lots of talent, maybe I will also try to mod, first I wanted to start with adding custom music to the PizzaTowerEscapeMusic mod but I don't understand why it doesn't work, even when I don't delete the default songs from the .json file but just change the game event to be when the apparatus is taken and still doesn't work. Too bad

[wise stag]

unfortunate, yeah im not familiar with any of the music/sound modding

literally anything else would be something i'd know but not that lol

[tacit badge]

apparently pizzatowerescapemusic's apparatus music replacement doesn't quite work in current version

I installed a few and they didn't work, even if they did before

[desert current]

But is he working on it or he just left?

[patent ember]

if I have
Vanilla - 0.00,0.00 ; 1.00,1.00 | Custom - 0.00,0.00 ; 1.00,1.00 | Experimentation - 0.00,0.00 ; 0.00,0.00
Will experimentation won't have any crane?

[wise stag]

you'd probably break the mod from loading

what you wrote basically says "on experimentation, have 0 cranes from the point 0 to point 0"

you need to tell it to have 0 cranes from point 0 to point 1, because the game selects a random number between 0 and 1

so Experimentation - 0.00, 0.00 ; 1.00, 0.00 would do it

[tacit badge]

have not heard from the dev. So they might've just left

[patent ember]

I don't understand the point thingy

but thanks!

[desert current]

oh man, so what is the solution? to wait for the Facility Meltdown to update and then we can make custom escape song mods, or does it entirely just not work? because that would be very sad, I like made an entire playlist throughout the week only to be met with this problem when actually trying to add any of the songs in the mod, also isn't it possibl for someone to make a similar mod like this one? I'm actually very sad right now, my favourite mods to be broken isn't what I expected from this new update😭

is the mod open-source or not?

[wise stag]

whhich one, facility meltdown?

[desert current]

the pizzatowerescapemusic mod

[patent ember]

Use SoundAPI, it should work the same as PizzaTowerEscapeMusic

[gusty kiln]

You think?

Also wait no

[patent ember]

Yes, LR Uses it

[gusty kiln]

The experimental version is broken either way

With any sound replacer

Pizzatower or soundapi

[patent ember]

experimental?

[gusty kiln]

Yeah, thats the version of facility meltdown that works on v73

[patent ember]

oh, I see.
I no longer use that mod so I'm not sure

[gusty kiln]

The issue is with the experimental version

Something happened and now you cant replace the audio

Maybe they changed the names?? Idk

[patent ember]

I see

[gusty kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/let’s-take-a-look-look-looking-big-cat-gif-3031494300177389811

[desert current]

what about the Updated version of PizzaProbability that uses the experimental version of FacilityMeltdown? Their set of music for when the Apparatus is taken works. The Meltdown++.json file works. so why doesn't my music work?

[gusty kiln]

It works?

i guess maybe pizzaprobability fixes the issues idk

[desert current]

with PizzaProbability I use Default+,Meltdown++ in the PizzaTowerEscapeMusic config file and they both work. both when the ship leaves and when the apparatus is taken

so what do i do

[desert current]

the updated version tho, the old one still uses the original FacilityMeltdown mod

[gusty kiln]

there is an updated version of pizzaprobability?

i have no idea sorry, you are the first person to find this

[crude vale]

i'll probably be seen, as an idiot, but do you need to stare at the mistress to make her go away ? or she is just a very agressive ghost girl ?

[vestal python]

staring at her is bad

[crude vale]

ho

[vestal python]

break line of sight

[crude vale]

so you have to avoid glancing at her even thought she is ||HOT AF||?

[vestal python]

yeah basically

[gusty kiln]

Yep

[vestal python]

you have to get behind something to break eye contact

if you see her in an open space youre basically screwed

[crude vale]

alright alright, so thats why she always decapitate me

She actually didnt like the way i looked at her, clearly

[wise stag]

she's not into people starin

[crude vale]

[lavish saffron]

[limpid summit]

was testing my modpack and I thank imperium for giving me god mode for the time being

[desert current]

@wise stag you still up? sorry for interrupting

[last anvil]

Are there any known issues / incompatibilities causing the Oxyde scrap cubes to cease existence?

Haven't tested it yet myself but I've been told it's broken and was wondering if it's a known problem

If not I can try and recreate it myself later

[patent ember]

I'm getting spammed with this when a Hoarding Bug and Jimothy spawned at the same time

[young umbra]

Poor Xu bro

this what its like to be a modder?

[patent ember]

@wise stag just to let you knlw about this.
This made a lot of lag and the hoarding bug was not moving

[wise stag]

Dunno that's a bit of a Unity error so no idea what could possibly cause that, I don't think it's be jimothy but it's probably related to it trying to target an item in a specific spot or smthn

[wise stag]

I havent seen em stop existing but lemme know

[lament cedar]

@wise stag was wondering if there an option to not have monster spawning in Oxyde or maybe have them to spawn in nightshift only. My friends said that the monster spawned so much since your mod do have ton of monster and is tedious or "annoying" while we doing the "delivering" just to get money.

[wise stag]

you could use a mod to alter the power levels of the moon to 0 so no enemies can spawn but by default the monsters are there for a reason

[lament cedar]

what kind of mod that alter the power level? since I using rn is Lunar config

@wise stag for some reason Oxyde don't exist to be config in any of the config mod

[vestal python]

it should be in lunar

[lament cedar]

745 Oxyde

[vestal python]

is what its supposed to look like

[lament cedar]

wait how to get his moon to be in config?

[wise stag]

oh since its in dawnlib now it might not show up in lunar config anymore

[wise stag]

what you have is probably old sice it says oxydeextendedlevel which definitely doesnt exist anymore

[vestal python]

oh from when it was in coderebirthlib

[lament cedar]

so all your monster and moon are in the Dawnlib?

for Coderebirth

[wise stag]

yes

[lament cedar]

which one i need to search? sorry Im quite new to config stuff

[wise stag]

uh dawnlib doesnt offer that type of config natively for moons

you might just have to wait for lunarconfig to update for dawnlib

[hazy thicket]

tag configuration 😔

[lament cedar]

so i just play the game normally while the lunarconfig just doing the update for dawnlib?

[wise stag]

i dont think the tags are up for config'ing gale just shows all json's lmao

actually i guess that would allow them to be config'd huh

[hazy thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/oppenheimer-cillian-murphy-barbenheimer-barbie-oppenheimer-movie-gif-14455380668331281856

[wise stag]

tbf this is like a pretty convoluted way of changing tags there's gonna be people who make a cleaner way of doing this 💀

it's only for manual tags too anyway

[lament cedar]

ngl Oxyde is neat until the monster spawn alot

had to go for the killallenemies and piggymod just to push through everything

my friend said also indoor enemies like the braken spawn in

[hazy thicket]

i mean personally my issue here just comes down to users being able to do this ends up taking away the responsibility from the authors
can't stop it though so oh well

[wise stag]

that wouldnt be me adding them to the spawn pool, i dont allow brackens by default there

[lament cedar]

can be that biodiversity mod

[wise stag]

yea, but atleast the jsons here are only from dawnlib, other mods that use dawnlib dont do these jsons

[lament cedar]

@wise stag so far been waiting and oxyde didn't get updated into the lunar config

[gusty kiln]

Is that on Xu to add?

I thought it was Lunar config

[wise stag]

no its not on me to add

[lament cedar]

checked into the lunar config nothing so far

[gusty kiln]

Uhm yeah, crafty is working on it but he is busy with irl stuff

In the meantime use coderebirth's own amazing config

Or LLL

[lament cedar]

Oxyde in the config but nothing about removing monster. Idk what other alternative beside Lunar Config

[desert current]

@wise stag Can I ask something about oxyde since I am a litle confused?

[wise stag]

yeah

[desert current]

Since Oxyde is a moon similar to Gordion where the company is located, but with just a high risk since there are entities...

how do you sell your scrap, I saw the machine that squashes your scrap but I don't know what to do from there, since when going to the merchant, you can't sell him anything, you just buy what he has with your wallet

I forgot the machines' name (forgive me💀 )

[wise stag]

so first shredding scrap, then compacting it/squashing it, then you gotta give it to the sell cannon's elevator and shoot it through the cabin's cannon button

[desert current]

also in the cabin what is that fire button, is that linked to the cannon you are talking about?

[wise stag]

yes thats the button you need

[desert current]

so if I first compact the scrap, I can't shred it?

because that's what I did

[wise stag]

shredding makes compacting safer

but u can compact first

[desert current]

if I compact first, shredding won't be necessary?

[wise stag]

yeah

[desert current]

you say that it's more safe to shred first, does that mean that the monsters that appeared after compacting is the consequence of not shredding first?

[wise stag]

yeah compacting without shredding causes more enemies tos pawn

[desert current]

sweet, I have sellbodies mod, so additional entities will just mean more risky money for me to get in dire situations, like a last resort for meeting quota, going to oxyde at day 0.

Also can the compactor squash items? not just scraps?

[desert current]

I didn't test that yet

[wise stag]

uhh i think so

[desert current]

also what is with the drop ship on oxyde?

it comes from the underground

[wise stag]

ye

[desert current]

yeah, pretty neat

but

after i grab my items from it, the doors close immediately and I don't have a chance to escape

after that I am just suffocating in mud

with no way out

[cobalt mango]

did you take too long to get out of it?

[wise stag]

oh if you have a mod that makes the dropship leave immediately it'll screw with it lol

[desert current]

no, just 2 seconds after opening the cabinet, the doors close

[wise stag]

this is what it sounds like u have

[desert current]

oh

I do have

I'll just make it leave after more time had passed

[desert current]

so after all of that my quota will be done, right?

[wise stag]

ye

[desert current]

one last question about oxyde (maybe).

is every note from the cabin that you can grab part of the mod's lore?

[wise stag]

ye

[desert current]

cool

[wise stag]

there's other spots where they spawn too with differnet lore etc

[desert current]

also I found a way to know which crates are mimics by using emotes that let's the camera phase through it and it shoes it's insides, but I can't do that also with safes

[wise stag]

lol

[desert current]

the safes are more risky now

[wise stag]

safes are probably the least risky thing i've ever made

just open em from the side of the save

the hitbox doesnt extend past the door

[desert current]

oh

like in interiors?

[desert current]

so that's why I kept dying, I distanced myself from safes far enough to reach them to open but also to stay away at a safe distance, but I always stayed in front of them but not to the side

🤦‍♂️

[wise stag]

lol

[desert current]

thanks for everything Xu

[wise stag]

all good

[desert current]

your mod is fun, you are working alone or in a team?

[wise stag]

right now? development of coderebirth is mostly halted and probably finished

but there was a team of me and a friend

[desert current]

props to you 2

one of my favourite mods

I am also playng it with Wesleys and DemonMaes mods

[wise stag]

thanks

[lament cedar]

@wise stag There something about the Cabin saying about "Assembling the parts". So I put a broken robot into the workshop and nothing happen. Idk what else does it need.

also whats the point about those trashbin scatter around the facility?

[wise stag]

For you to get thrown in by the janitor enemy

[wise stag]

Did they get consumed?

[lament cedar]

i just hold interact and the part just get consumed by it

nothing happen

is that or I already got the ship upgrade unlocked by default

[wise stag]

Do you have it unlocked already?

[lament cedar]

when starting the game or downloaded CodeRebirth. Its already set to Default

as unlocked

but I haven't buy the upgrade yet

[wise stag]

Yeah the builder is for unlocking

So if you're unlocking them automatically yourself then it won't do anything

[desert current]

so I've read some messages from before, Xu isn't gonna work on CodeRebirth anymore?

[wise stag]

Unlikely I would yes, I'll maintain the mod but not likely to do any more major updates

[cobalt mango]

along with the fact that the co-creator of it left

(rodrigo)

[desert current]

I would've liked a snow-like or Christmas-like weather or something, and I wanted to suggest either Wesley or Xu to add that weather to their mods

[desert current]

yeah, that's what I've read actually

[desert current]

that's why I asked about the mod

[gusty kiln]

there is also mrov and zigzag hehe

tho both are also busy

[desert current]

I don't know what kind mods they did

I'll have to take a look

[cobalt mango]

both of them made a lot of weather mods

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1432472876237455572

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1362461184468455424

[desert current]

oh, that's nice

[gusty kiln]

#1203871322841808906

mrov is the person who made modded weathers possible

and zigzag has made some really cool weathers

and also tools for weather tweaks that are really cool

[cobalt mango]

also that

[gusty kiln]

hehe

[wise stag]

yeah mrov made WR, before that it was LL which also worked but WR is more convenient for some things here and there

[night forge]

Lethal elements has 2 snow weather

[gusty kiln]

oh trueee, i knew i was forgetting the craziest weather mod

tho voxx is very MIA

paco has a fork hehe, but idk if he plans on adding more features

[desert current]

I am asking because I want to add a lot, and I say A LOT of custom music to the game using jaydenbgn's PizzaTowerEscapeMusic mod, and i wanted to add custom escape music when the current moon's weather is something related to winter themes. I don't know if I can add custom music when a certain moon has a custom weather but if it will work, then it's going to be interesting nonetheless

[gusty kiln]

use soundapi

thats the mod for changing sounds

iirc pizzatowr is more for just like meltdown or a few other things

[desert current]

but can't you add custom music to every game event that's written in here?

or does soundapi do the same?

I am just more accustomed to jaydenbgn's mod in order to make such things

[gusty kiln]

you should check soundapi

the readme is amazing, really easy to understand it

[desert current]

I will try but my main focus from this list are: "ApparatusTaken", "ShipLeavingAlertCalled", "ShipLanded", "ShipTakeOff" and "PlayerDied". If soundapi can do these things for me then I should be good since I want to add custom music mainly to these game events

you are talking about these?

which one or should i use both

[gusty kiln]

yes

[royal talon]

i noticed after loading my save today after like a week or so of not playing and all the bots we had no longer exist it seems, was there something last update that unlocked all of them by default or something?

[cedar plinth]

You mean the gals?

[royal talon]

Yea

[cedar plinth]

Not sure, if it updated then configs probably reset

[lament cedar]

Is there still sort a way to edit Oxyde. I still want to remove the monsters from that moon. Yes I did use Lunar config and so far doesn't work

[reef wolf]

i think they are hard coded in to spawn when you begin compacting? Or shredding? I dont know its one of those two

@wise stag would know

[lament cedar]

Usually @/glacialstage have the lunar cofig with Oxyde inside in the old version but the mod creator said they move everything into Dawnlib instead

[vestal python]

that was because i loaded lunarconfig when code rebirth still used CRLib

since CR uses dawnlib now it won't be recognized

I didn't check if the patches actually applied or not though

[lament cedar]

@vestal python is it possible to have that config while using the new version

[vestal python]

if you downgrade to whatever version used CRLib, run it to get it in Lunar, and then update again it might work? as i said i don't know if the injection still works on my end

[lament cedar]

shit.. so far I use other config and Oxyde and other monster can't be able to be changed

[dull pond]

any idea what might cause this?

Stack trace:
(wrapper dynamic-method) DoublewingAI.DMD<DoublewingAI::DoAIInterval>(DoublewingAI)
(wrapper dynamic-method) EnemyAI.DMD<EnemyAI::Update>(EnemyAI)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<EnemyAI::Update>?-665329112(EnemyAI)
CodeRebirth.src.Patches.EnemyAIPatch.EnemyAI_Update (On.EnemyAI+orig_Update orig, EnemyAI self) (at ./src/Patches/EnemyAIPatch.cs:126)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<EnemyAI::Update>?-870838100(EnemyAI)
(wrapper dynamic-method) DoublewingAI.DMD<DoublewingAI::Update>(DoublewingAI)```

i was just walking around n it kept popping up XD

[thin osprey]

the gals cause lag when there's more than 2 active at a time, is there a fix or do i just deal with it? [also sometimes they stand up and don't move even though they're active and i have to restart the lobby for them to work again]

[wise stag]

are you client or host?

and any logs?

[wise stag]

no idea, not related to coderebirth

[thin osprey]

host and i'll check logs next time i obtain them, just lost the run, the lag only happens when 3 of the code rebirth gals are active [the dice gal from the dice mod doesn't cause any lag] but also sometimes the lag doesn't happen? it's very strange

[rare wasp]

@wise stag hey i set these spawn curves for the autonomous crane but they arent showing up

"Haul - 0.00,0.00 ; 0.11,0.34 ; 0.22,0.69 ; 0.33,0.95 ; 0.44,1.06 ; 0.56,1.03 ; 0.67,0.99 ; 0.78,1.05 ; 0.89,1.32 ; 1.00,2.00 | Dirge - 0.00,0.00 ; 0.11,0.06 ; 0.22,0.12 ; 0.33,0.20 ; 0.44,0.33 ; 0.56,0.40 ; 0.74,0.60 ; 0.78,0.89 ; 0.89,1.06 ; 1.00,1.75 | Feign - 0.00,0.00 ; 0.11,0.06 ; 0.22,0.12 ; 0.33,0.20 ; 0.44,0.33 ; 0.56,0.40 ; 0.74,0.60 ; 0.78,0.89 ; 0.89,1.06 ; 1.00,1.75"

in general im not exactly sure how the curves work

i also set these for the sector 0 bear traps but im not seeing any ingame either
"Sector0 - 0.00,0.00 ; 0.11,0.34 ; 0.22,0.69 ; 0.33,0.95 ; 0.44,1.06 ; 0.56,1.03 ; 0.67,0.99 ; 0.78,1.05 ; 0.89,1.32 ; 1.00,2.00"

[ashen peak]

has it always been called this? lol

[wise stag]

I think its like a 1% to randomly be called that

[wise stag]

And you're testing on haul dirge and feign right? Cuz this looks fine, haul has like an 80% chance of spawning one, dirge is 30% and feign is also 30%

[vestal python]

why are there two enables for oxyde

[patent ember]

1 is oxyde the moon, 2 is oxyde as it is

[wise stag]

There is a bit of a mess as it is rn but I'm doing config cleanup next update for oxyde

The move from LLL of DawnLib gave me more freedom

[vestal python]

i see

[rare wasp]

i refreshed haul like
5 times and it never showed up
same for dirge but i lowered the spawn rate for that one so it kinda makes sense

[wise stag]

Do you have debug logs enabled? If not, enable debug logs in the bepinex console config, then enable every debug logger in dawnlib, and land on haul a couple times and send that as a log

[rare wasp]

uhhhhhhhhhh
is it the bepinex window that pops up when i open the game?

also lemme enable the dawnlib ones yea

[wise stag]

Yep

It needs to have the debug logs enabled so it actually prints em out

[rare wasp]

should be good

lemme open the game

[wise stag]

Scroll down a bit

There should be an option for info logs etc

Make sure you also have debug ticked lol

[rare wasp]

alright i refreshed it like 3 times

how do i send the logs

@wise stag

i just decided to copy the bepinex window

not sure if thats what i was supposed to do or not

[wise stag]

Oh right I forgot, reload your game with the debug stuff and send me your consoles logs as soon as you're fully loaded into a lobby

Haul by itself wouldn't work

[rare wasp]

do i just copy and paste my bepin window once i load in?

[wise stag]

Yep

It should hopefully copy paste enough for me to find what I need

If not we'll manually send the log file

[wise stag]

You need to do rosiepiesmod:haul

[rare wasp]

ah

what about dirge and feign

do i do like

altmoons:dirge

[wise stag]

If that's what it says

[rare wasp]

oh wait i just read below it

oops

thank you

[wise stag]

vodkacornsmod or smthn I cant tell too well

Ye

The way I find it is just looking up "registry " in my console and looking for the moon's one

[haughty palm]

is there a way to blacklist some planets from having the extra flora?

[gusty kiln]

check the config

[haughty palm]

I checked, there isn't a way

[haughty palm]

omfg im slow I thought the curve was just for all planets that had that tag and didn't think I could change it on one specific moon

thanks for the help I somehow wouldn't have noticed if you didn't send a picture of the configs 😭 (no this is not sarcasm I know it sounds like it but it's not)

[gusty kiln]

from what i know, now you gotta put like the name of the mod where that moon comes from

dawnlib shenanigans

idk if its still like that

[wise stag]

yeah, it's like that

so you need to enable debug logs in your bepinex config, launch the game and when you load into lobby look into your logs, just search for like registry and look for the moon registry

and from there it'll have stuff like:
lethal_company:experimentation -> 54 Experimentation, where the left hand side is what you need to put into the config

[gusty kiln]

crazy

why so not user friendly Xu

[wise stag]

why so lazy cheese, just launch your game and look at your logs

[gusty kiln]

but honestly like what is the reasoning behind this?

why does it have to be like this?

[wise stag]

so that people can add content of the same name and stuff like libs and api's dont break

i got called a lazy ass a few days ago because someone didnt like that i renamed immersive scrap's anvil to ImmersiveAnvil, but if I hadn't, it would've broken other anvil named items

this solves shit like that, so you can have stuff of the same name and it belongs to different people

it's also just the standard in other communities

it's giving things a more unique name

[gusty kiln]

sounds good

i would love to have a more user friendly way, but if this brings more good than bad then peak either way hehe

[knotty lynx]

Wait, you got called lazy because you did an action? Pretty sure the definition of lazy doesn't work here lol

[hazy thicket]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[patent ember]

I have some mods that adds a "Toolbox" scrap, it conflicts with the "Tooblox" store item from UsualScrap, wich I have in the reserved slot, bugging out a lot.
In the worst case you can tell them that they can change the name of the item with LunarConfig, I changed the other toolbox to "Box of tools"

[hazy thicket]

The idea of using a user facing config mod to change the value used for indexing/primary key is frightening

[wise stag]

Yeah I agree with batby like this will fuck up someone's code pretty badly at some point

The solution is to use a namespace system where from there they get a unique identifier

That doesn't stop some people cough wesley cough on making 2 items with an identical name and in the same mod

[olive vapor]

A lot of things are starting to make sense now lmao

Time to tidy up the pack this is useful info 🫡 I get the reasoning behind it seems good

[wise stag]

:3

[vale venture]

is there any issues with oxyde right now, it looks like none of the enemies can move in the my modpack so idk if theres a known issue with a mod or anything

[wise stag]

uh i know there's like, a couple small issues but i havent heard of anything like that

[wise stag]

can you send logs?

[hot light]

https://tenor.com/view/roseanne-hit-log-bang-ouch-gif-7963312

[vale venture]

This is basically being spammed in the logs, how should i send the logs here? (also where would I be able to view it)

[wise stag]

what mod manager are you using?

[vale venture]

the monsters just stay in the same spot as they spawned, tho I know every other map is fine

r2modman

[wise stag]

there should be a settings option somewhere that lets you copy the log file i think

[vale venture]

got it

It should be at the very end with all the error spam

[wise stag]

can you send a modpack code?

[vale venture]

sure

[wise stag]

and also try without mirage, it's either mirage or something else causing it, and i might be able to tell from the code you send

[vale venture]

got it, ill disable mirage to test

019a5179-c9c4-6664-c4ad-69d489067f36

Heres the code as well

[wise stag]

oh actually it might be problematic pilotry

if you're able to disable that on oxyde, i think it'd work

[vale venture]

gotchu ill test it out!

[vale venture]

yup looks like its problematic pilotry, whats the correct moon name for oxyde, is it just "oxyde"?

This is what I put in both blacklists but it doesnt seem to work: gordion,oxyde

[gusty kiln]

with dawnlib you gotta put the exact name with the modname too, gotta

[gusty kiln]

oh wait, i think this is not what you gotta do

uhm

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1118652290908291265/1128041925929336912/okVZhPsX.gif

[vale venture]

lmao

i just disabled nav mesh regeneration and its working fine, at least for now thats my solution

[frail shore]

Can you please help me? I want these items to be found on other planets, but I did not find in LLL where they are registered, the planet Oxyde was simply not on the list (
Maybe someone has a list of these items, I would be grateful.
I also haven't figured out how to disable piggy bank, coins and wallets.

[steel basalt]

the machine parts spawn naturally with a weight of 1 if im correct

[tawny hare]

in cr config

[frail shore]

There are a lot of parameters there, and I haven't found any that would be responsible for junk or items.

[tawny hare]

check merchant options

[tawny hare]

i dont exactly remember where is each scrap is but im pretty sure that gals unlockables is under corresponding gal options

[frail shore]

"gals unlockables is under corresponding gal options" This is true

[tawny hare]

just check every single one, there is not that many

[tawny hare]

like here already you can find some

weights

[frail shore]

As far as I understood, based on the names. these are the items, I hope it's true, otherwise I do not know what I just included)))

[tawny hare]

its values, not weights but yeah

[frail shore]

Do you know what it does? It doesn't have any description(

[tawny hare]

something about achievements i think

[lament cedar]

I remember finding those in the moon the weapons are sorta OP

[frail shore]

In this case, the chance of it appearing is just very small, since I haven't found anything for 2 quotas so far

[lament cedar]

one of my friend found the pogoaxe

and the climbing axe

if you have other scrap mods

is likely the chances to find them is small

[frail shore]

It's true, I have 2 scrap mods + some more from the two interiors.

[lament cedar]

yeah thats why your chance to find them is very small BUT if you go to Oxyde

you might need that wallet'

I think they guarantee spawn on the mechant shop

[vale venture]

What's cargo crane listed under in the config?

[lament cedar]

oh boy I struggle to find this one but already found it. "Autonomous Crane"

just type Crane and it will help you find it

guess you also hate the crane lol

[frail shore]

A large crane with a magnet that appears in random places on the planet, when you get close enough, it slowly turns towards you and tries to crush you with a magnet.
But you can climb on it and turn it off for a while.

I like it more than a carnivorous plant

[lament cedar]

it suck you cannot perm deactivate it

you only turn off the magnet

[patent ember]

you can!

[lament cedar]

how??

[lament cedar]

is the deactivation just deactivate the magnet

while they still crush you

[patent ember]

while it is deactivated (with the lever inside the crane) it will no longer move or crush

[lament cedar]

i remember only deactivate the magnet

what about laser

and microwave

pretty much i like the concept

but they pretty much a blockage

[patent ember]

you can deactivate each one in its respective config

[lament cedar]

I still trying to figure out how to config the Oxyde to have no risk/no monster. So my friend would finally stfu and aleast try it

[wise stag]

I dont think there's a mod that'll let u do that rn, you'll just have to wait until lunar config updates for it

[toxic crane]

https://tenor.com/view/miho-girls-und-panzer-gup-inner-screaming-shaking-eyes-gif-16750903

[lament cedar]

Coderebirth have so many monster but not one leviathan monster?

[toxic crane]

it has the primordial worm

[lament cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/quinn-gif-698901508797890912

The what

The WHAT

[toxic crane]

idk i made that up to create a false sense of expectation :3.

[wise stag]

I was also wondering when I added that

There is technically a primordial creature or sovereign of the world in the lore that was supposed to show up at some point, but that's a bit of a far future

[lament cedar]

is there a way to counter the laser turret and microwave?

Or deactivate the crane to make it stop

[wise stag]

Crane doth have a button inside its main control for turning it off for 30 seconds yeah

Laser turret just gotta crouch

People call that oppressive but like, base game turrets are so much more oppressive tbh

Microwave uh just don't be infront of it, it moves do easy to dodge but can corner u accidently

[lament cedar]

The laser turret in question

[wise stag]

Lmao

That's so unfortunately unlucky

[lament cedar]

Pretty sure they also just too big as well

[feral cape]

The ever so humble redwood titan

[lament cedar]

nah that just variant of a forest giant

[feral cape]

It certainly is big though

And it has enough differences to be considered different

Sort of like how the ogopogo is technically an earth leviathan variant but they’re definitely different and can still fit different niches

[lament cedar]

yeah is pretty much what I was thinking about when come to leviathan variant

the ogopogo did creep me out lol

[feral cape]

Ogopogo is still the only modded enemy which consistently scares me lmao

[lament cedar]

even is not even present on your face. the sound just make you piss yourself

i shout at my friend to just stay away from the water

just to see it just bust out and ate him

[feral cape]

Play it with LethalResonance it’s so much worse

[lament cedar]

does it effect performance?

[feral cape]

Most uses up quite a bit of ram, so I’d check first that you aren’t using a lot of moon or especially interior mods for example. It also changes all of the sounds in the game (you can disable certain ones) so it’s not for everyone

Well almost all of the sounds

They change biodiversity’s audio too, and the ogo is terrifying

[lament cedar]

jeez

[timid wadi]

Hey @patent ember can u add the shop items as optional things in the config?

I mean have them on by default, but maybe add the option tk disable them

Bc none of the store rotation config mods work

[toxic crane]

did you ping the wrong guy?

[toxic crane]

is your picture that halo 2 map 😭

[timid wadi]

Correct

[timid wadi]

Probably

Idk who tf to ping about it

[timid wadi]

The best halo map in my opinion. Best halo game too in my personal opinion .

Anyways if u can ping whoever for me, id be grateful

[toxic crane]

Well now it says ping girlkisser xu for help as his @ but i cant tell if thats just a joke so forgive me @wise stag

[toxic crane]

you are spitting facts so 👍

[wise stag]

Next update does toggle every single possible config on

[timid wadi]

But will the shop items be optional?

[wise stag]

Which means there's gonna be a lot of bloat people aren't interested in, but since the mod isn't gonna go in much more content detail I'm fine with it

Yeah that's what I said

[timid wadi]

Sry im dumb lol

Mb

[wise stag]

Its alright

[timid wadi]

Also will ScrapE be optional as well?

Bc there was no config option for them

[wise stag]

Yes his config was mistakenly removed last update ig

[timid wadi]

Ok, thx

I have to admit, u guys did amazingly

Your mod adds weathers, correct?

Is there any way to add some animations for the fancy weather screen from general improvements?

[wise stag]

Yes

[wise stag]

No

Iirc it was hard coded in GI

[timid wadi]

Damn, alr

[wise stag]

I'm also currently not really working on coderebirth for the foreseeable future other than maintenance

[timid wadi]

So if we ask for access to the code, coud u

Ah, ok no worries that's fair

[patent ember]

fix my bugs

also hello!

hope you're good :]

[wise stag]

they're almost fixed lol

dawnlib ones though are waiting a compat update from LLLU so cant do much about that personally

[patent ember]

gotcha, at least good to know It's almost fixed :]

[feral cape]

@patent ember as the new maintainer do you plan on merging this mod with LR?

It’d help a lot with modpack bloat

[gusty kiln]

Moroxide can you fix redwood titan pls thank youuu ❤️

[patent ember]

just out of curiosity, what's the behavior of the rabbit magician?

the only think I know it's that ||first it follows you until you see it, then it plays dead, but when you stop looking at it it gets stuck on your head and a music box starts playing.||

[wise stag]

Kills you if your friend looks at your back and sees it

And gets transferred to your friend

Iirc it stops working when a person goes outside though so I still need to check that

[patent ember]

oh, that's why it wasn't doing anything when playing solo lol

[wise stag]

Ye would do nothing solo

[patent ember]

another thingy, do you have plans to fix the transporter (jimothy) wrong warping a player when it's going inside/outside and a player is in it's wooden plate?

[viscid robin]

I hate this mod

[hot light]

is that the world famous Jimothy of JimothyRebirth mod real?

[viscid robin]

I hate this mod

[cobalt mango]

https://tenor.com/view/bruno-bfdi-mouth-object-show-mouth-encanto-bfb-gif-9404595406051454439

hey vro.

[hot light]

and he looks absolutely IMPRESSED with this mod

[feral kindle]

say your iconic line Jimothy C. Ode R. Ebirth

[viscid robin]

I run orphans over with my forklift

[feral kindle]

Thanks!

[cobalt mango]

way to go jimothy!

[tawny hare]

jimothy, i think we need to kill this guy

[hot light]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-maneater-jeff-throne-gif-8061304931725077158

[rare wasp]

@wise stag is there a way to choose what moons the janitor can spawn

[patent ember]

I love/hate her

[cedar plinth]

i had to rewatch that omfg

[rare wasp]

same for the cutiefly

[rare wasp]

@wise stag i cant get the peace keeper and nancy to spawn on trite help

[rare wasp]

wait i think i fixed the trite issue

[rare wasp]

just need this

[lament cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/3fs-kendrick-lamar-kdot-kendrick-lamar-gif-7215577627803867602

My reaction before I blow a fuse and delete the mod out of fear

I swear Xian and Wesley planned this shit

[rare wasp]

nevermind no i did not

yeah no peace keeper and nancy refuse to spawn on trite for

some reason

idk why

[wise stag]

show ur config

[wise stag]

next update

[rare wasp]

i did Trite=+75 for nancy

[wise stag]

you probably need to do magicwesleys_mod:trite not just tritte

enable debug logs in your bepinex console

load up into a lobby

and then ctrl f for registry into your console

and look for the moon registry

and it'll log what format trite needs

[rare wasp]

ah
i tried searching it with "dawnlib" but couldnt find the name

i think i got it though

[wise stag]

nice

[lavish saffron]

Choose wisely:
magic_wesleysmod:trite
magicwesleymod:trite
magic_wesleys_mod:trite

[rare wasp]

family feud buzzer

[lavish saffron]

Lmao

[wise stag]

you forgot the secret choice.
therubberroomsmod

[lavish saffron]

💀

[rare wasp]

@wise stag debug tells me this, and im using this for manor lord, monarch, and rabbit magician
but they dont spawn

magicwesleysmod:acidir=+(whatever spawn rate im using)

wont spawn for some reason

same thing for industrial fans on polarus

im using this but they dont spawn

[wise stag]

send a modpack code, but this should work

[rare wasp]

it's my friend's modpack
they wanted a dose of modded moons/interiors/enemies so I prepared them some samples

lemme send the code

[rare wasp]

019a5def-f3e8-d5c6-e065-f39d7bf94c76

[timid wadi]

I do love this mod. We need more shop mods and stuff to bring life to the company. Like add lounges, and minigames and stuff to do as a little break from the company. Like a big building called "the break room" or something

Also make sure to have compatibility for the lethal casino mod. Bc that is the mod u should all look to as a reference for how to do it right.

[steel basalt]

wasnt lethal casino broken

[feral cape]

It’s fixed now

[dull pond]

dunno if this is something to be put here but just leaving it incase:

[Debug  :   BepInEx] Skipping loading C:\Users\lloyd\AppData\Roaming\r2modmanPlus-local\LethalCompany\profiles\Acalians Company\BepInEx\plugins\qwbarch-OpusDotNet\opus.dll because it's not a valid .NET assembly. Full error: Format of the executable (.exe) or library (.dll) is invalid.
[Info   :   BepInEx] 151 plugins to load
[Warning:   BepInEx] Skipping [LethalLevelLoader 1.4.11] because a newer version exists (LethalLevelLoader 1.5.3)
[Fatal  :   BepInEx] Error occurred starting the game
[Fatal  :   BepInEx] System.Exception: Cyclic Dependency:
 - com.github.teamxiaolan.dawnlib
 - imabatby.lethallevelloader
 - MrovLib
 - mrov.WeatherRegistry
 - CodeRebirth
  at BepInEx.Utility.TopologicalSort[TNode] (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable`1[T] nodes, System.Func`2[T,TResult] dependencySelector) [0x0009e] in <cebe69d7792f4abca78b685257766c60>:0 
  at (wrapper dynamic-method) BepInEx.Bootstrap.Chainloader.DMD<BepInEx.Bootstrap.Chainloader::Start>()
[Message:   BepInEx] Chainloader startup complete```

[lament cedar]

you have to get different version for levelloader

the new version is actually buggy rn

get the latest version

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/pacoito/LethalLevelLoaderUpdated/versions/

[jovial grotto]

for now you need either 1.5.1 or 1.5.4

[rare wasp]

@wise stag at work rn but update if u can

[hot light]

i'll need to reproduce it and submit a github when i git home, but Manor Lord's getting stuck in phases again.

[gusty kiln]

Eep

[atomic seal]

@wise stag

I have oxyde disabled at start but when I make a new save, it has it unlocked already

019a6179-43ed-1cfb-6664-f6d2f99e3119

EDIT: nvm, pacoito said its lethal level loader fork

[patent ember]

oxyde is automatically enabled due to halloween

afaik it will be disabled on the next update

[atomic seal]

oh

are you sure?

can that be reverted in configs?

[patent ember]

not now

wait for update

[cobalt mango]

okay i got ganged up by every code rebirth enemy possible on every moon

noctis?

500 redwoods

kiln?

literally the entire fucking biological kingdom

this is what i get for not balancing my modpack.......

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G0qmd2tXgAA1PVo.gif

[patent ember]

New bugs to report.
2 Things related to the Mistress so I'll add a Spoiler for it.

• If I have Devmode menu enabled, ||if a mistress kills the host, the godmode gets activated just at the exact frame the host gets decapitaded, not dying lol.||
• ||It seems that the Mistress will always focus to the host first, no matter insanity, order, or anything else.||

[lament cedar]

is ther a away o remove the halloween stuff. the wallet is still a bucket for me

[vale venture]

how do monarchs work, how do they spawn and all that

[ashen peak]

theres a config to remove halloween stuff

[ashen peak]

||they spawn if you kill/run into a cutiefly. iirc, theyre guaranteed to spawn when a first cutiefly is killed, and then theres a 50% chance everytime you kill one after||

[vale venture]

ahh got it

[forest grove]

I gotta ask now because i have been wondering about this for a while but am i the only one who doesn't have the option to add weights for the Janitor and the Cutiefly or did i miss something?

[cobalt mango]

found an issue yesterday where the seamine robot would constantly try to kill invisible snailcats

[ashen peak]

huh i thought that was fixed already, but thats because snailcats arent put it the shockwave/seamine gal blacklist correctly

its "SnailCat" when its supposed to be "Real Enemy Snailcat"

[cobalt mango]

yeah, i checked the configs

[patent ember]

can items spawn on the autonomous crane?

[lavish saffron]

I dropped my hair dryer sorry

[honest basalt]

What was blud doing up there

[knotty lynx]

Drying hair

[olive vapor]

i found a beltbag on there once, it was really cool it felt magical. it was a personal gift for me from the crane. thank you crane

[cobalt mango]

the invisible snailcats are back.....

#modding-general message

[feral cape]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mr-krabs-theyre-back-gif-22657958

[wise stag]

won't be doing anything about both, the mistress stuff is very finnicky and debugging an issue that only happens with devmode menu (which doesnt happen when i have the devmode menu enabled, i always have that enabled) is kinda pointless, and she doesnt prioritize sanity, she has a few conditions, forget what they were but it relates to who was last targetted, if someone is inside or outside, if they're using any gals, etc

[wise stag]

urchin might've had merchant and tornado packaged into it during some testing

[patent ember]

Thanks for answering

[wise stag]

sanity might be a good thing to add as a priority for the mistress

but uh sanity is bugged in base game iirc

@cold zealot go my scarab, explain why sanity is bugged

iirc its just not a reliable value really, keeps going up infinitely or doesnt reset, smthn like that

[wise stag]

Thunderstores permissions allows others to demote and kick me out of my own team, nice

[reef wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-mouth-open-nani-what-huh-gif-2284296875076340920

intelligent design

[knotty lynx]

Sorry Xu, you’ve been fired. Didn’t meet the rebirthing quota. This message is from lead dev @tender kayak btw

[tender kayak]

lmao what

[wise stag]

Mu kicked me out

Unbelievable

[woeful solar]

do it, kick rodri-g ooooohhhh
I see

too powerful

[wise stag]

Yeah 😔

[obsidian grove]

i love code rebirth

[wise stag]

Coderebirth loves you too

[obsidian grove]

😂

[cobalt mango]

https://tenor.com/view/pillar-chase-2-thorn-pcx-pillar-chase-dance-gif-7515754548367210325

[cold zealot]

i dont know what you mean 😭

[wise stag]

Isn't sanity bugged in base game? I thought it was lol

I heard stuff like it never goes down or something like that

[cold zealot]

that was fixed

[knotty lynx]

That’s just me

[valid drum]

That was fixed ages ago, it was a problem in like v45 I think but got fixed all the way back in v50 or smth

[lavish saffron]

Sanity's pretty bugged irl too, it's only realistic for it to be buggy in games too

[valid drum]

Make pacoito insane and we will let you out

[lavish saffron]

[knotty lynx]

I’m pretty sure he already is

[haughty palm]

can i ignore thise?

[wise stag]

You shouldn't, you messed up your configs somewhere

Probably related to crates

[haughty palm]

nah i remember

it was with flora

i think

[gusty kiln]

When will we be able to bake a pretty cake in CR

[tawny hare]

You are late with that question unfortunately

Should ask like 2 months ago

[gusty kiln]

i think this is the best moment

because it always is the best moment to bake a pretty cake

[tawny hare]

But you need to do the cooking by the book and the book says you are late

[gusty kiln]

i mean thats just lazyness, and you know you can't be lazy

[tawny hare]

Eh, kinda messy recipe. Your cake will end up crazy in cr

[royal talon]

how are you suppose to get items from the drop ship on oxyde? the items dropping makes it leave instantly with the door closed

my wager is its from lgus making the dropship faster, which is a shame

[gusty kiln]

yes it is an incompatibility

[rare wasp]

@wise stag any updates

[wise stag]

No I'll take a look at it soon though, I forgot, are you able to make a GitHub issue incase I forget again?

[glad harness]

Can we add a football that nukes your friends

https://youtube.com/shorts/GsXsWoFWKuo?si=cVeNzVrIh9EIux1v

Those who know

[dull pond]

i had no idea LGU's faster dropship was incompatible XD probably because ive not bought it in ages hahah

[glad harness]

You will die

Like take the items out

And boom

Dead

[dull pond]

hahaha ok, ill disable that one then XD, do you know if there are any other upgrades that are incompatible?

[glad harness]

Not that I can think of

[dull pond]

for some reason ive loaded up my modpack today and oxyde is available from the start.
I've checked all configs and none of them are allowing hidden/locked moons to be seen from the get go so i have no idea what could be doing it XD it's only showing Oxyde its not doing it for any other modded hidden/locked moons XD

[wise stag]

yes thats fixed next update

[gusty kiln]

and redwood :c

[vestal python]

do moon names in this mod's config require the mod name before it, and if so where do i find it

[wise stag]

Enable Bepinex debug logging, then when you load into a lobby just search your log for registry and look for the moon registry

[vestal python]

alr

[vestal python]

so for configuring things like where cactus giant spawns i would have to use kenjismod:kiln instead of Kiln, for instance?

[forest grove]

Can't land on any moon, console shows this.

[wise stag]

Yes

[wise stag]

Something else broke, I need a full log

[narrow rune]

great work

[wise stag]

LMAO

[obsidian grove]

how do you kill a redwood titan?

[tawny hare]

ideally you dont

[patent ember]

It's kinda easy with a crane

you can crush their pinky toe

[forest grove]

Tried some troubleshooting myself with stuff i added because i thought there was some sort of incompatibility but without luck, i found this in the logs as well, not sure if i am reading this wrong or if that's the issue but it seems something is defined twice in a config somewhere? If this also doesn't help i'm gonna try to get a full log.

[wise stag]

You out lament twice in a config

Try turning on all of DawnLib's debug logging and turn on Bepinex debug logging

That might say what it is before erroring

[forest grove]

Alright, gotta see what i can do, thanks!

[forest grove]

Managed to fix it, turns out i messed up on the Cactus Budling values, managed to find it with debugging and corrected it.

[wise stag]

Noice

[wise stag]

Also to be clear, I hope you understand typing lament doesn't work by itself

It needs to be modName:lament

[forest grove]

Oh, it used to work like that in the old config, no? I thought it would still work like that.

[wise stag]

Nah the switch to DawnLib made it required to use a bit of a different format

It's for the better for future stability but it is a bit more difficult to use at first

DawnLib does debug logs for every registry though when you load into a lobby, just search for registry in your log

[forest grove]

So that means we need the internal mod name then, right? Not what the mod is called on Thunderstore.

[wise stag]

Yeah internal

And like I said above, it's logged plain as day through the debug logging of dawnlib

The other option considered for configs would've been a lot harder to use lol

It would've been json configs, so not supported by any modmanager or lethal config, and would've been ModName.ModAuthor.Lament

I think that's what Jacobs library that he's working on is gonna use

[forest grove]

That definitely sounds much worse lmao

Well, that's good to know at least. I will have to change everything to the new format then.

[wise stag]

Yeah I disagree with the usability for that, I'll take suggestions for making the current options easier though, I could try to do a matching thing where it tries to see if anything in the registry matches

But if someone does something like two items with identical names (has happened often by now) it'll pick the wrong one half the time

Oh and u don't have to work about it for vanilla, vanilla is internally lethal_company:embrion but only embrion is needed

That's cuz I just embed lethal_company onto any without a namespace behind the content name

[wise stag]

Which is how I noticed your issue here

[forest grove]

I see, that's nice actually! Also yeah even though i don't know anything about code stuff, i did notice some janky stuff happening ingame when i had scrap mods which both had scrap with identical names. I remember defining those for the crates in CR and i would only get one and the same but not the other one because of the same name issue lmao.

[wise stag]

Yeah, I need to make stuff like the crates use those names too but it'll take time for me to remember all the places I need to do these things in

[forest grove]

Just to make sure, the hazards and stuff still use the old format, right? Since they seem to be the same as before.

[knotty lynx]

I think you always needed internal names, no? Like whatever Thunderstore says the mod is called isn’t necessarily indicative of anything. It’s a separate string in the mod’s manifest.

You just need a new flavor of internal name for this

[wise stag]

Anything spawn weight related uses this naming scheme

Or should

Someone reported it not working for hazards so I have to look into thag

[forest grove]

I believe so yeah but i only ever worked with weights related to the ingame moon names which you can get from the terminal so it was usually just time consuming but simple. I think the only internal thing i remember are the interior specification for the mimic mod.

[wise stag]

But I keep forgetting

[forest grove]

Hmm, i see.

[wise stag]

Honestly this is technically faster to find since it's just loading into the lobby lol

[forest grove]

Once you know how it works, i would agree actually.

Since you can also just copy paste unlike the moon names on the terminal.

[wise stag]

Yeah, I wonder if I should make a terminal command to display stuffs internal names

All these ideas I'll probably forget by the time it's tmrw though lol

[forest grove]

Sounds like a fun idea though haha.

I usually write down ideas i have that i don't wanna forget.

Because i am just way too active and forget stuff because i focus on other stuff first.

[wise stag]

I should but too lazy sadly

[forest grove]

I can relate a bit to that.

[pure jetty]

Thanks

[cedar plinth]

well where else do you think those cranes in the distance come from

[knotty lynx]

I can finally touch a piece of glorious Cedar Bridge!

[reef wolf]

not much cedar in cedar bridge

only american captialism i see

[lament cedar]

My friend got his ass turn into ashes by Laser turret in an instant right after he JUST enter the facility

[pure jetty]

at least you could get in

[valid drum]

And this is why the cranes don't exist in my mod pack

[cedar plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/destroy-crush-car-car-crash-crash-crush-gif-26835520

[valid drum]

Hey btw beef since you're here, I ended up making an Artist role in my server and if you ever rejoin it I'll gladly give it to you since you post a ton of amazing art work

[cedar plinth]

can you dm me the link

[valid drum]

Says your dms are disabled

lol

Can always just click the Discord button on my Twitch panel if you don't wanna enable dm's for the shared servers we're in rn

[knotty lynx]

I really should have an artist roll. I mean, look at the pure art of this icon: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Sniper1_1/WaterAssetRestorer/

Don’t even get me started on https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Sniper1_1/LEBWeatherFix/

[wise stag]

Lol I could've sworn cranes were removed from titan in the config by default

[wise stag]

https://tenor.com/view/no-one-asked-no-one-asked-meme-meme-memes-penguin-gif-25389129

[patent ember]

I like them, but I increased the time of the crane deactivated :]

[wise stag]

That's fair

30 seconds is probably too short

[autumn pagoda]

Can I ask why? Cranes are good

[patent ember]

Btw, no rush or anything...
But are there any news with the coderebirth update?
I'm hoping to get the things fixed so finally I can upload my modpack, after setting correctly the enemies ofc

[wise stag]

Uh honestly I'm unsure on what some of the things left are so I'll probably just update it and let any problems get re-reported

[patent ember]

My pinged message :']

[wise stag]

Well yeah I went through that but I don't remember which parts I already fixed since I already went through most of it lol

[patent ember]

Oh, I see

Welp, hope to get at least most of the things fixed :]

[wise stag]

Should be I believe

[patent ember]

Gotcha, will wait gladly for the update!

[visual perch]

So impatient

Must have

Now

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/946156666171297833/1324412195676885002/IMG_1886.gif

[rare wasp]

@wise stag bear traps keep showing up on other moons despite the fact i have them listed for vigilance only

[wise stag]

All of em or just boom traps?

And how does Ur config look luke

Like*

[rare wasp]

looks like this

[feral cape]

Why do you have the cranes enabled on Titan?

That and offense are the worst moons you can put it on

[pure jetty]

Because they were

[feral cape]

Kinda stupid that they’re enabled by default there, albeit funny

[reef wolf]

theres alot of moons that they can just uhh

cause “minor” issues

but thats to be expected its a huge trap

[wise stag]

yeah ill be disabling em on titan by default, not intended

[valid drum]

Lol I realize the reply I made was a bit snarky but I do love them they just kept spawning horribly on custom moons, typically on vanilla ones they’re fine this is just an edge case 💀

[pure jetty]

Should probably give it a minimum distance from ship too. We had it spawn right next to the ship 3 times that session, immediately getting people killed

[wise stag]

it has a minimum distance where it should be deactivating permanently if close enough

but i can increase it

[pure jetty]

it spawned like a 3 second walking distance away from the ship

frankly it shouldnt be in range of smashing players on the ship at all

[wise stag]

3 second walking distance seems like quite a long distance, but again, i can increase it i just have no idea what unit of measurement 3 seconds of walking distance is to you

[pure jetty]

like... not even half the ship's length

And that was the base of the crane, so it could reach all the way to the back of the ship

[wise stag]

i still have no idea where it spawned, if you get a screenshot i'd love to take a look at it

[wise stag]

it can reach the entrance of the ship from there?

[gusty kiln]

Bro the crane is MASSIVE

[wise stag]

and by entrance i do mean where the player exits from

[pure jetty]

its range was practically like this

[wise stag]

i know its massive but thats a long distance

yeah that's more of what i expected

[pure jetty]

It also smashed us through the ship. Though weirdly enough it just spawned flattened bodies instead of killing any of us?

[wise stag]

uhh it's not supposed to target anyone that's considered inside the ship, and if it did spawn a flattened body it's supposed to have killed said person, there's probably quite a few things going wrong there

but the range and positioning of that crane itself there seems fine to me personally

[pure jetty]

Oh heeelll no, it spawning that close to the ship is insanely unfair

[wise stag]

okay clarify what "ship front" is

is that where players exit

[pure jetty]

The doorway, yues

[patent ember]

talking about cranes.
Maybe make it unable to spawn where the ship moves?

it happened more than once that when landing a player lands on a crane and past through the ship

[pure jetty]

I dont want to be at threat of dying the moment I step out of the ship at the very start of a round

[wise stag]

from the screenshot and explanation you just give me, you're not at threat of dying after exiting the crane

[pure jetty]

the circle was its range. the ship front thing is misleading, thats the "back", not where the door is

[wise stag]

ill likely turn off collision until the ship lands, i cant predict the route of the ship as someone could edit the animation

[pure jetty]

door is red

[patent ember]

that'd be good enough

[wise stag]

okay, to be clear i did ask to clarify what the ship front was and you said that was the doorway, but yes i agree thats unfair in that scenario

[pure jetty]

Thus far ive experienced the crane being within range of main entrance/fire exit/ship well over 10 times

[wise stag]

yeah that makes sense, it randomly spawns outside and its been out for a long time

[pure jetty]

Not to mention it can sometimes spawn in areas that completely block important pathways, like the titan example.
Ive found the ladder to get up is also inaccessible sometimes, be it in the ground or clipped into a map object

[wise stag]

for that its not meant to spawn on titan, i must've just forgotten to set the weight of it there to 0

[pure jetty]

Maybe its just me, but most of the default values in CR just dont feel fair

[wise stag]

you're free to come up and suggest new ones

[pure jetty]

For instance, 6 max cutiefly spawns is diabolical considering how insanely powerful the monarch is. (not to mention it can kill people through the ship walls)

[wise stag]

are you talking about the laser? cuz it's been for the last few updates where the monarch got rebalanaced ot not fly when the player is at the ship

and also, when playing and seeing others play, i almost never see monarch because everyone's careful enough to not trigger them

[pure jetty]

No, it just killed one of us through the ship wall

Vanilla ship

[wise stag]

like through the bite?

[pure jetty]

I think so

[pure jetty]

This would be a fair point if
A. the cutiefly was easy to see
B. the cutiefly was possible to see at night

[woeful solar]

xu, which config was responsible for enabling the coins/candies or whatever
it's enough to turn on oxyde or...?
I wish for clarification cuz I'm too lazy to playtest it and check if they're here

[pure jetty]

Ive stepped on one multiple times without ever seeing it, usually because its been hidden in grass or smth

[wise stag]

merchant, and oxyde force turns it on

[woeful solar]

oh okay
then I have it enabled
thanks

[wise stag]

this sounds like the outlier and not the normal thing that always happens, which is normal because if you were a god and could avoid literally every single thing ever then why is the enemy even spawning to begin with

and it is easy to see, it's colourful, and flies around most of its lifecycle

[pure jetty]

Colourful is very debatable considering most of the time the shading makes it look dark purple

[wise stag]

im like fairly sure they have a bunch of different colours that are very different

[pure jetty]

On the moon where we got fucked by it, it not only got crushed by the dropship (apparently?), but the moon was dark to begin with, so it was basically a dark spot on already dark ground

[gusty kiln]

My only encounters with cutiflies have been seeing it right in front of my face and its already too late

[pure jetty]

^^

Have been aware of what it does since the first time we triggered it. Still stepped on it basically every single time after

[wise stag]

only player collisions can trigger it

and if the moon was dark enough to begin with you should remove it from the spawn list in the config

cutieflies are beings of light and crystal, i forget the exact biology but the monarch draws on light for its power

[wise stag]

i honestly diagnose skill issue

[pure jetty]

Then why can monarch murder people at 8pm :P

[gusty kiln]

I love cutieflies :3 but it is kinda really hard to see them most of the time

[wise stag]

cuz you angered it and it had enough light stored from existing earlier in the day, assuming the moon it spawned on was a valid moon that had daylight

notice how on every vanilla moon, daytime enemies dont spawn on enemies without light

which is what a cutiefly is

[wise stag]

to be clear you arent talking about hte halloween skin yes?

[gusty kiln]

I havent played on last update

Didnt know they had a skin :0

[ashen peak]

i think it would be nice if the monarch would leave you alone once youre in the ship, once its at the ship door while chasing you it just camps there until its open, feels unfair :<

[gusty kiln]

True

[patent ember]

this literally blocked the entire map

kinda funny

[autumn pagoda]

Tiny moon 🤏

[jovial grotto]

under construction

Maybe the cranes should have a minimum of AI nodes like the oldbirds, so small maps don't get them spawned as much

[pure jetty]

Dont get me wrong, I like the visual design and "dont touch it" mechanic, but it just has many of these icks in practice.

You can blacklist it in config, yes, but that's not a very good solution for players who don't want to spend dozens of hours testing and digging through configs.
Modpacks are an option, but there are only a few good ones that include CR, and they're all quite specialized.

My main issue with it is;
The punishment for not seeing this tiny thing that can easily be hidden in grass and flowers (present on some vanilla and many modded moons) is basically guaranteed death for the whole team unless they can afford to throw bodies/heavy weapons at it, or just straight up leave abandoning any players/loot left behind.

Deep Rock Galactic has this mod that spawns a bulk detonator (big tanky fucker that can teamwipe in a bad situation) for killing a passive maggot enemy that dies in one hit. It's a joke mod.
The monarch is a concerning parallel to that and its a fully standalone enemy.

Repo has good parallels that I think were implemented really well - the duck and the dog. Duck you just ignore and it fucks off, dog you pet 3 times and it fucks off. Both are passive and punish you for being careless, but they can't cause teamwipes by themselves

[jovial grotto]

something like a minimum of 30 or something

[wise stag]

that is honestly a good idea

[autumn pagoda]

Just remove it from spawning on that moon, thats like an unfixable thing crane too big for smol moon

[wise stag]

yeah i also dont know how many AInodes court has so idk what the comparison is for too little, i guess it could be like 50 is the cutoff? not sure

@tacit badge do you remember how many AINodes court has?

[jovial grotto]

Court has like 20-ish if i remember correctly

[autumn pagoda]

Im pretty sure it has like 20 xd

[jovial grotto]

a normal sized moon, in general afaik has something like 60+

[tacit badge]

not many

it's like 20 smth

there's not enough surface area to put more

[jovial grotto]

so i would say having the crane spawn in maps with 30/35+ maybe would be ok?

[tacit badge]

it doesn't matter how many AI nodes court has though the surface area is just way way too small to actually work with the crane

that's part of why I suggested that tag system for spawns a while ago

but ik you've got bigger fish to fry

certified soldier classic

[autumn pagoda]

Deep Fried Ogopogo

[tacit badge]

the giant cheese stick

[wise stag]

i disagree for multiple reasons.
A. i can reliably kill a monarch with a shovel and it has specific mechanics in place to dodge its attacks, which yes, require skill that you will not have at the first encounter or you wont have if you just run away.
B. i can reliably kite it away from the ship and my friends and then lose it as im faster than it.
C. It's only meant to be there on moons with high visibility, I can not do anything to remove it from like moons without any light, it's just not a thing I can check, people will just have to blacklist it from the super dark moon that has daytime spawns for any reason, this is keeping in mind no dark vanilla moon that's set to be mostly nighttime has any daytime spawns, because, as their name suggests, they are daytime enemies
I could probably come up with more reasons but I have no intention of nerfing the cutieflys or monarch in a way that makes them stupid easy, I think learning the enemy is part of the game, same how people have had to learn to deal with bracken by doing stuff like closing all doors, constantly checking their back, making sure they dont engage in fights with enemies like nutcrackers that reduce visibility etc.

[tacit badge]

https://tenor.com/view/mozzarella-sticks-cheesy-mozza-sticks-appetizer-gif-26281935

[wise stag]

yeah i've wanted to do more stuff like that, i'd like to also improve the tag system a bit more in dawnlib just focusing on the more important aspect of things

im also gonna get rid of the need for the namespaces in tags in dawnlib i think, i think it defeats the usecase of tags for what you specified and i dont see the point in needing to specifically say what mod the tag came from when doing spawn weights etc unlike when it comes to moons items etc

[wise stag]

this is what i meant by improve the tag system in dawnlib, i dont have any more ideas than this for it lol

[autumn pagoda]

Am hungry now

[wise stag]

same

[autumn pagoda]

That’s a good idea

[tacit badge]

hehehe sorryy

im eating rn and im hungry fromt hat too... cheese sticks are mad good

[tacit badge]

wdym namespace?

[wise stag]

the format of specifiying content is called NamespacedKey

which is the: lethal_company:experimentation format

namespace:key

[tacit badge]

oh yeah i hate that

[wise stag]

it's not nice but its sadly needed, especially as time goes on

[tacit badge]

it just means I have to type so much more shit when configing

[wise stag]

but i do agree its unnecessary for content tags

yeah :/

i tried to make it as convenient as possible, still trying to come up with more ways, i might create a fallback system where if there is no namespace it tries to look for one

but this is keeping in mind the reason why they exist is necessary

[tacit badge]

is it just for duplicate names?

[wise stag]

for the most part yeah

it's meant to be a robust system, and it's used in other places too like minecraft modding, that's where the framework comes from afaik anyway

it's existed in lethal modding before too but it's always been internally used except in few mods and places

[tacit badge]

would anything break if you just added a (1) to the second item registered with that name? kinda like how folders and images do it when you download smth with the same name

[wise stag]

you're gonna be holding an item and on the top right it's gonna say Holding Axe (1)

[tacit badge]

sounds REALLY stupid, im just saying shit while im eating, but maybe?

[wise stag]

the internal name is used in some places ingame

and i'd prefer not to edit it

i already get shit on for naming the anvil Immersive Anvil instead of leaving it as Anvil, now imagine if i named it Anvil (1)

[tacit badge]

wouldn't this mean you'd also hold an item and on the top right it'd say "Holding PiggyVariety:Axe" with the current system?

or do you just kill the stuff before the colon

[wise stag]

there's a difference between the items i see internally and the items the game has internally

[tacit badge]

tbf you could've used any other adjective and it would've been better

[wise stag]

it's also needed to identify where an item comes from, so if i did Anvil (1), i lose the ability to specify what anvil im talking about

[tacit badge]

hmm that makes sense yeah

[wise stag]

maybe but the point stands, i dont think its that disruptive for it to be called anything slightly different/similar personally but some people take it seriously

[wise stag]

it's also really good for the saving system

[tacit badge]

well it's the fact they're called immersive scraps and the name completely breaks immersion that's the problem

[wise stag]

like if im saving an axe from piggy's mod and there's like 3 axes, and both of the other 2 axes are gone, it won't get confused about which axe was saved

[tacit badge]

could've just called em "Heavy anvil", "Antique lamp", "Rusty food can", shit like that

if you ever want to fix that just give me a list and I can give you a proper list of adjectives to differentiate them from potential dupes and re-do all their names

[wise stag]

at this point it'd be arguing semantics, I just honestly don't see it, I get your point that the name could be more Immersive and avoid conflicts, but the core issue could still happen if someone did the same thing later

the fix is just using DawnLib and switching it back to anvil so its fine

the reason it was specifically Immersive and not any other adjective was to make it unique for the mod it came from so no one tries to do the same thing

also, to be clear, i tried pretty hard to make the namespace system as convenient as possible, the other option was even more convoluted, which was to do ModAuthor.ModName.ContentName, which is yet more robust but i dont think it's needed at that point

[tacit badge]

ye I can see other mods trying to make their items distinct and accidentally having the same name as one of the immersive scraps

[pure jetty]

A is a moot point because literally every killable enemy is, in theory, killable with just a shovel. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. Nor does it mean everyone can, nor does it mean you should design the enemy under the expectation that everyone can.

B. Is very situational. Not all moons can give you that opportunity, and it doesn't even diffuse the threat.
It's still an active risk to anyone traversing to and from the ship, and as far as I can tell it makes its way to nearest players eventually, so it will return to the ship.

C. I'm not expecting you to account for every moon. I'm expecting the enemy to be designed in a way where that isn't absolutely necessary for balance.
For instance, it could be made more visible (glowing spots on wings), less or not at all punishing for uninvolved players, or just eventually give up chasing and move away from the ship.

I'm not trying to simplify it, I'm trying to make it more fair. No enemy should be able to singlehandedly ruin a round just because one player made a mistake. (This last point isn't even exclusive to the monarch tbh)

[tacit badge]

but it's still really, really funny for the immersive scraps mod to kill the immersion completely

[wise stag]

that's also why i think i switched from Immersive to just I, a lot less noticeable but if you're really paying attention to the name i guess it will just also still bother you lol

[wise stag]

for A im not saying just because you can hit a dog you should be able to outskill and kill it, the monarch is easily kill-able

it is not a moot point

the mod even provides tools for making it a lot easier

[pure jetty]

I've yet to see anyone kill it by themselves

[wise stag]

yeah because not that many people try, i've seen people kill it before

[tacit badge]

@cold zealot it's your call, I need to see you kill every killable CR enemy

[wise stag]

like yes, redwood is killable but you shouldnt try, the giants are moving obstacles, the monarch is a slow "get the fuck away and lure it elsewhere or out skill and kill it"

[pure jetty]

Oh I've killed it before, just not without casualties. Our team put several magnum rounds into it and I smacked it probably a dozen times with a shovel. Didn't die, nearly teamwiped us because we didn't want to leave half the team behind

[tacit badge]

tbh it always just felt like an active enough threat to where it didn't seem feasible to kill it

the way the thing's designed always seemed like once it transformed you could do nothing against it and that was the point

(mechanically, not visually)

did not know you could even kill it, but it's good that you can

[wise stag]

yeah it's super intimidating, because the easier option is to lure it elsewhere not kill it, but i've been asked to make it possible and easier, so it's very much so possible and kind of easy once you know how to

[tacit badge]

does it have any "armor" or anything like the sapsucker does to tank hits from the cruiser or shotguns?

[wise stag]

nah

[tacit badge]

does it die to one or two shotgun shots?

[wise stag]

im checking the health rn because i dont remember but i dont think it was super tanky