Colorful Enemy Variety (& Extra Enemy Variety)

[sour jackal]

They only spawn on Eclipsed though, so they're not too bad overall

[safe marsh]

Holy smokes is this terrifying, and also it looks like it has body hair all over it, and is that a mustache on it's face?

[sour jackal]

Haha nah, their normal map is just cranked up a bit so some of the details are very visible, gives them an almost leathery, burnt look imo

[safe marsh]

Y'know a hairy maneater skin could actually be interesting to do though.

[sour jackal]

The regular maneater actually has the hair, you just can't really see it in-game with Lethal Company crushing the model

[inner island]

Good god that’s terrifying

[lapis goblet]

this is very interesting so
i didnt even account for this mod but apparently this mod's barber skins work fine with my mod https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1303548049452171314
ofc the normals from mine sadly arent applied to the skins from this one, would be cool if i could figure out cross compatibility somehow

[fair raptor]

Holy shit

U didn't tell me!!

Will be using ur mod for sure now

[lapis goblet]

It just only applies to vanilla skinned barbers sadly

[fair raptor]

Close enough™️

[lapis goblet]

I would like to make it compatible with the skins from this. just do not know how yet

[heady gulch]

Unfortunately I'm not sure how you could add compatibility either. How the Barber's skins work is that I completely replace the material with the edited texture on it, I could change it to instead only replace the texture and then your material tweak will show but then the Barber won't fade at all which is a big no no

[lapis goblet]

this is odd because im pretty sure the alpha is baked into the diffuse texture, not sure how this is happening

when i was developing my plugin i had this issue but it was because i wasnt changing the material of the "skin" variable specifically in ClaySurgeonAI

i also had to instantiate it so it would be dependent for each barber

https://github.com/dopadream/BarberMaterialTweaks/blob/main/Plugin.cs

[heady gulch]

I think the issue of the Barber not fading is just an issue with the replace texture feature in EnemySkinKit, nothing to do with your mod specifically. replacing texture If i remember correctly is more of a last resort if changing material doesn't work for whatever reason (Kidnapper Fox, Hygrodere, etc.) and so it may not work correctly

[limpid rune]

speaking of FOX i got the ourple fox glitch

[spiral rain]

kinda miss the fox ngl...

[cinder karma]

never got to experience the fox

[lapis goblet]

use the mod YesFox

[versed ferry]

yesfox has unchanged vain shrouds though and vain shrouds are bad and stupid

[violet siren]

the worst part of vain shrouds is the lag. i don't care about anything else.

[lapis goblet]

no it doesnt

?

butterystancakes added code to prevent vain shrouds from spawning near ship

[versed ferry]

consider: i am stupid (similar to vain shrouds)

[lapis goblet]

https://github.com/1A3Dev/LC-YesFox/pull/2

https://github.com/1A3Dev/LC-YesFox/pull/4

yesfox actually probably has the best version of vainshroud logic that we've seen so far

anyways back on topic

[lapis goblet]

i really like how this looks so good lol ill try to figure something out maybe, ill have to take a look at the api for enemyskinkit

[shut sable]

just my two cents but probably the easiest way to resolve this would be the incompatibility being resolved with the enemyskinkit

it sounds like enemyskinkit doesn't handle the barber's thisMaterial field properly?

my guess is that if you assign the texture, it just iterates through material on all of the barber's renderers and changes mainTexture (or uses SetTexture with the relevant parameters)

but that would create clones of the materials which would break the connection to the thisMaterial field that gets adjusted by player distance

[spiral rain]

yeah but I can't be bothered to rebalance then myself like I used to for modpacks

[harsh jacinth]

Yeah monty is working overtime putting like 16hrs/day into the wax soldier, no time for rebalancing content for modpacks.

[dark gull]

are these mods still working on v68 i have tried using both these and I don't get any skins, I also don't seem to get any errors related to it? Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this but i noticed their is no github which i'm used to seeing and posting problems on there

[heady gulch]

I have used both on v68 and it works perfectly fine, did you check the in-game config to make sure skins aren't disabled/set to 0% or anything?

[dark gull]

@heady gulch is shows them and there is no X on box or anything

[heady gulch]

That's odd. And you say the logs don't say anything? Maybe change the logging level on both EnemySkinKit/EnemySkinRegistry to see if you get something on the log?

I never heard of someone not having any skins spawn and getting no errors The only things I can guess is it being some mod conflict or just something going arwy with SkinRegistry

[dark gull]

yea possibly IG, also what would i be looking for in the logs?

[heady gulch]

Any warning/error from EnemySkinKit or EnemySkinRegistry when an enemy spawns

[dark gull]

@heady gulch monster spawned in with imperium would have skins too right?

[heady gulch]

Yes

[dark gull]

imma use that to speed this up lol

i get that warning maybe thats something?

everytime i spawn something i get that aramature array null but it says also it applies skin with id whatever, on enemy whatever

[heady gulch]

Do you have this? https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Evaisa/FixPluginTypesSerialization/

[dark gull]

yes i have that installed

it seems i get some error when the cmd window first opens relating to that mod, have no clue if it related

[heady gulch]

I'm not too knowledgeable with error logs but It seems from there that FixPluginTypesSerialization is failing to load properly for whatever reason which is causing the issues your having. I do know that if you do not have the mod then skins will not show

[hot dew]

for christmas could we get a jester to actually be one of those jack in the boxes and if possible with diff music ?

could technically also be outside of christmas

and just a skin

[harsh moat]

if theres no nutcracker skin for christmas we riot

also
christmas tree giant

[abstract forge]

I mean the default Nutcracker is already Christmas Themed

[harsh moat]

shhhhhh

pretend it isnt

[safe marsh]

If there actually were to be a christmas update, all i'd want is for some gingerbread man skins for the barber and maybe the nutcracker.

[harsh moat]

ok the barber goes hard

[safe marsh]

And maybe there could also be an elf skin for the hoarding bug.

[limpid rune]

And next anniversary the anniversary skins i suggested

Cake cutter - barber - default but apron and patches of icing, also has a party hat
Party cleaning- butler - party hat and polka-dot jacket

Up here

[heady gulch]

Thinking up of Barber skins ideas vs Actually making barber skins

[harsh moat]

isnt it easier with blender now or does it still suck

[heady gulch]

The problem is his UV, it's really bad compared to most other monsters

Even ignoring some flatout visible issues like the glitched spots you can already see ingame

[limpid rune]

Oof

[heady gulch]

Pretty sure I said it before but Barber and the Fox probably have some of the most messy textures/uvs to work with

[heady gulch]

True, though my friend Disco has said he really wanted to do a festive Nutcracker skin that more closely resembles the ones you see IRL, bigger eyes, moustache, etc.

[shut sable]

i'd definitely like a nutcracker with the creepy eyes and mustache

the body is pretty much already a perfect match

[harsh moat]

nutcerakcer

[heady gulch]

I've been kinda bored and beginning to take a break from my moon mod so I decided to revisit ColorfulEnemyVariety specifically and look over all the skins that I think could use touch-ups or remakes since it hasn't really gotten as much love as Extra has been getting for a while. Maybe I'll sneak in a few extra colors too? Not sure when I'll consider the update finished, probably whenever I feel satisfied

[limpid rune]

Quick question, is there downsides to frequent updating of mods? Bc i think updates should be released one skin at a time or a group of themed skins at once

[heady gulch]

Constantly pushing and uploading updates that frequently would get very annoying very quick for both sides and is highly unnecessary

[versed ferry]

are the new ones more accurate to the original models?

[heady gulch]

When it comes to the old bird specifically, yes. The problem I have with them specifically is that my old method of making the skins left them with this kinda ugly pixel artifacting that makes them noisy and lower quality, and I kinda just left it at that. For about more than a month now I've switched art programs so for them i'm doing them from scratch again

Some other enemies I think are fine and some others I think could use tweaks/remakes too. Jester & Forest Giant are some that pop into mind rn

[abstract forge]

A lot of the Jester reskins in Colorful are sort of meh yeah

I like the Extra Enemy Variety ones more

[heady gulch]

Yeh, it along with the original nutcracker and ghost girl skins are some of the oldest skins in the mod. Forest Giant I think has too many samey looking skins. Probably applies to some other enemy's skins too

We've learned and improved a bit from focusing on Extra for so long that I think it's reasonable to take a look back at Colorful and see what could be improved across the roster

[abstract forge]

Yeah cus I don't think the old bird skins in Extra are affected by the issue

The StarlancerZero one looks really good for example

[limpid rune]

kk, was curious

[vale swift]

yeah the extra enemy oldbirds were made using a different coloring method

but extract recently started using the coloring method that dreamybxnnie and i have be doing for extra enemy

so that problem wont be a problem anymore

[limpid rune]

offtopic warning: what does lcpapercompany do? (im lazy, so badly to the point i dont change channels)

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiwami-goro-majima-gif-7479306398193761624

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiwami-goro-majima-gif-7479306398193761624

[vale swift]

how would i know

[limpid rune]

i need help i am clinically lazy

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-gif-24974026

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiwami-goro-majima-gif-7479306398193761624

[limpid rune]

: P

[harsh moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299542425005723731/1305821776793698346/togif.gif

[limpid rune]

guys i found outt

and

and

its

COSMETICS

[harsh moat]

https://tenor.com/view/fred-lethal-injection-the-sillyness-gif-7151469009136019372

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-from-twitter-funwaa-bigotry-lobotomy-hotdiggedydemon-gif-8123146903421480040

[fair raptor]

It'd be cool since we have RGB barber skins that there would CMY barber skins as well

(Cyan, magenta, and yellow, but yellow's already in CEV though, so just cyan and magenta)

[heady gulch]

Might consider it while I'm working on the Colorful update

[abstract forge]

I will say the worst looking Hoarding Bug skin is probably the Orange one

The rest all look okay

:3

The Orange is just too same-ey

with the body and eyes

[timid epoch]

will you add christmas themed skins for enemies in extra enemy variety?

[spiral rain]

factually wrong

[fair raptor]

Wtf

That’s literally the best one

[abstract forge]

I never said it was bad, I just don't like the eyes and body being so similar

[spiral rain]

dap me up

[fair raptor]

🤝

[spiral rain]

https://tenor.com/view/flushed-gif-26618632

WAITI DIDN'T SEE THEY KISSED FUCK

[abstract forge]

Sure you didn't

[fair raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/feral-hog-viral-hog-pig-call-calling-gif-13492869264629174909

[spiral rain]

https://tenor.com/view/chiaotzu-trunks-dbz-dbsz-kick-gif-9340859924862501179

[abstract forge]

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-reverse-card-gif-3617204546221596106

[harsh moat]

https://tenor.com/view/fred-lethal-injection-the-sillyness-gif-7151469009136019372

[limpid rune]

turns your hog round

[timid epoch]

festive skin ideas: grinch,santa suit,elf suit - Hoarding Bug, krampus - Bracken, **christmas sweater ** - Forest Giant, reindeer,christmas sweater - Eyeless Dog, christmas lights - Old Bird, christmas style - Nutcracker, santa suit,elf suit - Coil Head

[fair raptor]

Tulipnova tulip snake skin would be peak...

[harsh moat]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-squint-daze-gif-13378529572852999621

[limpid rune]

woag

perty

also christmas giant skin when

(xmas tree

[heady gulch]

Today I am reminded of how fun working on the Jester's texture and UV is

[spiral rain]

GOD I LITERALLY HAVE A UV JUST LIKE THAT I'M USING

UGHH

[solar cobalt]

forward

MARCH

[violet siren]

VOW

[heady gulch]

(pretend there's the old green jester and not 2 blues in the old pic )

[abstract forge]

I think I still prefer the Vanilla skin and the ExtraEnemyVariety skins for the Jester but they do look much better

[marsh fjord]

Wait huh are you redoing skins

[heady gulch]

Not for all the enemies, just a few that me and my friends agreed felt rough or bleh

[marsh fjord]

Are the maneaters getting new redone too?

[heady gulch]

I'm not sure about remaking but definitely new

[marsh fjord]

I quite enjoy my suspiciously smoke detector colored baby

[marsh fjord]

Sweet

Only thing I could recommend is a darker one

Needs like a dark gray or a black ver or smth

[heady gulch]

Could definitely try some darker colors when I get to the Maneater. Later today I'm gonna be looking at the Hoarder Bug next

[marsh fjord]

Did y’all ever look at Nikki’s singed maneater

I forgot

[abstract forge]

Is that Black Mesa?

[heady gulch]

Oh uhhh, I never DM'ed her to discuss more about it. Kinda forgot

[abstract forge]

👀

[heady gulch]

iirc the singed maneater has an adult skin only and Nikki would need to make a baby version for it to put in Extra?

[marsh fjord]

It’s a maneater

So close though!

[abstract forge]

I meant the interior

lol

You goof

[marsh fjord]

Idk it looks like a square or smth and a smoke detector

[marsh fjord]

Ough

I see

[harsh moat]

So close!! that is a maneater ❤️

this is a reference

[noble valley]

Nah our office ceiling looks different than that haha

[spiral rain]

love that brown one

[spiral rain]

I always thought the jester colors looked a bit iffy, this is great

[spiral rain]

doesn't nikki have one in her skins mod

in reference to the maneater from usc

[lapis goblet]

So like, dumb question, but are vain shroud skins possible?

I love the white fox skin; but it blends horribly in the red bushes

i guess i could just make a plugin

[limpid rune]

Prob make it Color pick the avg Color of fox skin and then apply the Color to bush texture

[spiral rain]

don't know if they're registered

[heady gulch]

They're not registered for skins by default

[lapis goblet]

Ok. I'll make a plugin for it instead

[heady gulch]

(& various new colors)

Hoarding bugs were originally the next I was gonna think about remaking but I decided I like the colors mostly as is and just skipped to the Giants

[solar cobalt]

peak

[young valley]

sad that clay surgeon overhaul users can't use the peak skins

[heady gulch]

Clay Surgeon Overhaul has skins built in :)

[solar cobalt]

yea, but there're only recolors

[young valley]

^

[harsh moat]

thats... what blaze made also..????

what the fuck???

[heady gulch]

Pretty sure they're referring to the ones from Extra

[harsh moat]

oh that makes sense actually

[solar cobalt]

correct

[lapis goblet]

frosty shrouds :D

might need adjusting

heres another iteration, im happy with this

still pretty recognizable from a distance

HEHEHE @heady gulch

[abstract forge]

I love this, now we just need the mod that fixes the lag when the fox is grabbing clients

[lapis goblet]

here it is, rn its not configurable and just automatically applies to snowy moons

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/dopadream/SnowyWeeds/

also, i fucked up the version number + readme, sorry lol

[spiral rain]

ay I love those! I remember I made weed redesigns for the three moon types

[lapis goblet]

yeaa this is a bit more lazy, i just wanted the white fox to not blend in terribly

hehehe

this works surprisingly well

[spiral rain]

I'd day it's still super cool!!! not lazy at all

say*

[heady gulch]

Ooo that’s cool!!

[spiral rain]

These were it btw, they were each supposed to mimic their own part of the fox

would only really work with the colorful enemy variety reskins but it was a good exercise I guess!

[spiral rain]

ikr !!!!

[lapis goblet]

oh that's heat

really dig this

[spiral rain]

might actually see about reinstalling yesFox to add the snow shrouds

[spiral rain]

thank yew!

[lapis goblet]

if you plan on using it seriously I would tweak the vanilla values a lot

[spiral rain]

Yeah I did before when I used it

I config a lot so it was second nature to mess around w them

[lapis goblet]

i use these settings and its been working pretty well

[lapis goblet]

real

same lol

[spiral rain]

any configers in the chat....

[lapis goblet]

LQ will update someday

trust

[spiral rain]

If/when they do I'll finally be able to release my modpack

it's been broken for months even though I put a month's worth of time into it cuz of LQ's enemy configs being stupid

been praying for it since like july

[heady gulch]

Some day BananaPuncher will come back…

[spiral rain]

trust vro

it's not over vro it's only been [x] months

[heady gulch]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ely205/GegeButler/

🤨

[harsh moat]

it doesnt reuse your skin

its an audio edit

i was actually gonna post this but then i read its just an audio change

no idea why they used that image though

[heady gulch]

I figured, DiscoToad showed this to me and was shocked to see it

[vale swift]

yeah i was just scrolling through thunderstore to see whats new

and get jumpscared by my butler skin

[harsh moat]

i mostly do it to find new moons to shit on critique

ok im not actually shitting on every moon i see but god ive seen actual abominations

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-omg-lol-laugh-gif-12956385894842429484

Oh well, if it's just a sound thing then no biggie

[heady gulch]

Yeah, I definitely seen some duds out there. Me and my friends like testing and seeing all the moons we find (yes, even the ones with nothing in their readme's)

[harsh moat]

i dont check readmes

[lapis goblet]

I have yet to really see a moon mod other than distinct moons that doesnt have something off about it

[harsh moat]

i check LLL for spawn weights and use imperium for checking the spawn curves

[lapis goblet]

like generics has no soundscapes so it sounds super empty

altmoons is kinda cool i like it but some choices are strange

[shut sable]

soundscape is like my number 1 turnoff

[lapis goblet]

like why is there a gigantic rend guidelight on top of one of the fire exits

???

[shut sable]

if i land on the moon and it doesn't sound like a real place it's distracting for the entire time i spend landed there

[harsh moat]

i really enjoyed incalescence until stan(who is coincidentally now here) pointed out it looks awful with post processing

[harsh moat]

i personally play with it off

so i didnt know how it looked

[shut sable]

this affects more moons than just incalescence

lethal company's post processing effects don't work on terrain objects (i think there's a flag you can set but it's not enabled by default) and moon devs aren't generally converting their terrain to mesh

[harsh moat]

thats cool, i guess

[shut sable]

i think it's just especially noticeable on incalescence because of the distribution of terrain v mesh and how dense the fog is

[lapis goblet]

pestilence is such a fun moon but holy shit is it ugly

genuinely one of the worst looking levels ive ever seen

but its SO fun

[harsh moat]

my only problem with pestilence is ai node placements

[heady gulch]

This bothers me the most out of anything when it comes to modded moons. Like no offense but if your moon is dead silent and is just the alley reverb throughout the whole moon that's a huge turnoff for me

[lapis goblet]

fr 😭

[harsh moat]

tolian reference

[lapis goblet]

if i download a moon and land and it is dead silent (without fitting context) i am going to immediately uninstall your moon

[heady gulch]

Also moons that have the issue of those outlines on hills and mountains because of the terrain material

[shut sable]

my soundscape crew 🥺

[harsh moat]

the shiny ones?

[heady gulch]

Yeah

[lapis goblet]

yeah pestilence suffers from this

its so ugly

[harsh moat]

i hate that more than soundscapes personally

pestilence at least doesnt have that issue as strong as recent ones

like i dont understand

[lapis goblet]

purple you seem vaguely familiar unrelated

[harsh moat]

im in a group chat blanca added me to

like 3 days ago

[lapis goblet]

ohh

[vale swift]

we put a radio tower over our fire exit on Attenuation to guide players to it since it peaks over the rocks

[lapis goblet]

yeah!! its so cool

the only thing im kinda iffy about in distinctmoons is the main entrance exterior on Volition

i feel like it could have a tiny bit more detail

[spiral rain]

I'm p sure it's supposed to be a lighthouse

@wary sleet told me they might look into changing it into an actual lighthouse model later buuut I don't know when that'll be

[spiral rain]

yeah that's why voxx made terramesh I think? just to make it more accessible

a lot of moons look better because of it

altMoons also updated to have it and the moons look super super good...

[heady gulch]

That's fair, I kinda thought at times the brick texture was a little iffy but didn't think much of it really

If anything, the thing I kinda feel iffy on the most on my moons is Detritus's balance, I've contemplated at times maybe rebalancing the scrap/enemy table and just making it a proper high cost high tier moon rather than a low cost super high risk moon like embrion but idk

im half and half on it

[spiral rain]

honestly never noticed it myself lol

[stiff sorrel]

sanoradia has this unfortunately

its in my top 5, but holy shit its UGLY

[heady gulch]

My friends tell me that too when we talk about moons but honestly I really just can't stand the silence when I love the ambience in the vanilla moons a lot

Like Artifice

[spiral rain]

I'll keep that in mind if I ever get off my ass lol

it's weird that generic never added any, probably didn't really think to

@marsh fjord you could do some killer ambiance bestie what do you think

[stiff sorrel]

do we suggest him that?

oh nvm

[marsh fjord]

what

[stiff sorrel]

we ball

[marsh fjord]

hyuh

what

what am i doing

[stiff sorrel]

give us some moon ambiance buddy man boy.

[marsh fjord]

what mean

[spiral rain]

nothing, we were just talking about moons and people noticed your moons didn't have any outside ambiance or smth

[marsh fjord]

i mean do they even need any

does vanilla even do ambience outside of the randomized ones

[stiff sorrel]

not really

but it would be pretty cool

[marsh fjord]

i might do the company shore sounds for submersion

[spiral rain]

yeah they do, there's wind and even artifice has its own little stinger every time

[marsh fjord]

but otherwise idrk

[marsh fjord]

speaker of stingers

[spiral rain]

also like, birdies n stuff

#1238032120631263243 message

[marsh fjord]

did you hear that one i made for the one thing

[stiff sorrel]

artifice has its own stinger??

i thought other moons had that

[harsh moat]

artifice just has background metal groaning sounds always

[spiral rain]

you hear it every time you land there

[lapis goblet]

yes?? all the vanilla moons have soundscapes

none of yours do though iirc 😭

[stiff sorrel]

i did NOT realize that at all

what the fuck.

[lapis goblet]

its just

dead silent

[marsh fjord]

i use the vanilla ones from the randomized sounds that play

like the pebbles o

[spiral rain]

https://youtu.be/3x9YA34ODl4

[marsh fjord]

falling*

and shit

[spiral rain]

you hear it at the start of the video

[lapis goblet]

you need ambience triggers around the ship

[spiral rain]

there's that little eeeeeooeeeoeoeo and then some birdies chirping

[stiff sorrel]

okay now i think some modded moons need more stingers

[lapis goblet]

reference vanilla moons

[marsh fjord]

i got ninja teurtul

[stiff sorrel]

more so these special moons

||(sector-0, cosmocos, penumbra, etc)||

[marsh fjord]

when does it play

[stiff sorrel]

imagine playing it through discord!

[stiff sorrel]

at the start

[marsh fjord]

vaporization 😔

[spiral rain]

i'm gonna throw a fucking oil tanker at your computer

[stiff sorrel]

how the HELL do i find hints about it

is it on the 'ity twins?

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/myao53-manul-head-turn-surprised-notice-gif-27549558

[marsh fjord]

im sorry what

[stiff sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-with-hot-sauce-hot-sauce-scooby-doo-the-movie-sauce-gif-19859359

[spiral rain]

is this a genuine question or can I insult you btw

[lapis goblet]

@marsh fjord like this for example is used on march on the triggers all around the ship

[stiff sorrel]

no really is there a way to find about it without unhiding the moon?

or is it just

there

[spiral rain]

yes

[marsh fjord]

OH THATS WHAT YOU MEAN

i thought you were talking about

[lapis goblet]

like

[spiral rain]

the hint is in integrity

[lapis goblet]

soundscapes

ya

[marsh fjord]

like the random sounds that occasionally play

[lapis goblet]

nono

[heady gulch]

😭

[stiff sorrel]

my friends never landed on integrity lmfao

[marsh fjord]

i figured out

[stiff sorrel]

makes sense now

[marsh fjord]

[stiff sorrel]

ig ill have to add a hint to it myself

[marsh fjord]

theres quite literally just

[stiff sorrel]

they only found out about cosmocos and sector-0 when i put HINTS ABOUT IT ON THE FUCKING TELEVISION

we have our own tv videos modpack

[marsh fjord]

a building right next to the ship that you go inside and theres an empty apparatus machine

[stiff sorrel]

(https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TheUnkMan/TheAggagartChannel2/)

this

[marsh fjord]

you can figure out the rest methinks

[heady gulch]

kinda neat ngl

[stiff sorrel]

yea ill keep that in mind

[stiff sorrel]

the cosmocos one was actually very well elaborated

while sector 0 was just

a fucking family guy video 😭

[heady gulch]

reminds me of the time I went to sector 0

[marsh fjord]

"this is almost as bad as that time cosmocos vanished"

😭

[stiff sorrel]

the videos

0:53, 1:40

[heady gulch]

😭 😭

[marsh fjord]

is that fucking

[heady gulch]

the difference is fckin night and day lol

[marsh fjord]

comic sans

[stiff sorrel]

yes LMFAO

it was 3am while i was doing that please bear with me

[marsh fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/manul-pallas-cat-sun-daniang-tickle-running-gif-14148688365535566038

[stiff sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/calamity-mod-nameless-deity-nameless-deity-of-light-sparkle-on-sunday-blessings-gif-9254193809564140507

[marsh fjord]

submersion getting shafted again 😔

[harsh moat]

omg thats like the guy from like the calamity mod right omg

[lapis goblet]

xeroc

[stiff sorrel]

aria beyond the blazing firmament

[stiff sorrel]

oh no watch out!1!! fabsol is gonna get you!!!!!!!!!!!!

[harsh moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/816324109105496107/1026603934749569166/manslaughter.gif

[lapis goblet]

he can suck my nuts Thorium Cooler

[thin marlin]

Purple shrouds are pretty

[heady gulch]

Much less of that ugly artifacting that plagued the old Arctic Dog 👎

Kinda thinking of replacing or redoing Big Red and Oil Yellow but not sure what I really want to do with them

[heady gulch]

Small Update to ExtraEnemyVariety (v1.8.0) cuz Disco wanted to

• Added 2 skins
  • Crazed Chef ()
  • Baboon Turkey ()
• Updated all Butler icons to now include the Masked Hornet accompanying them
• Updated the Coilhead icon (because Disco lost it grr)

[harsh moat]

chat this is peak

[lapis goblet]

huge if true

[fair raptor]

Butlers are pretty fat yeah

Don't tell Pyro about it though

[lapis goblet]

i hate you

[harsh moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1245179264794628178/1311268912402403328/steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.gif

[fair raptor]

I think we should just be friends

[ripe otter]

YAY

[safe marsh]

I've been thinking of an idea for a new christmas skin for the butler, what if there was a chimey cleaner butler skin with a brush instead of a broom.

[solar cobalt]

wait... i wont have to readjust the sliders, will i?

[fair raptor]

Oh god…

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/isek-gif-eerie-jerma-piano-gif-22661969

Probably

For the ones that are being replaced that is

[solar cobalt]

[fair raptor]

…Can I be a volunteer to redo their icons then

They aren’t accurate, and I have to keep looking back at the Imgur to see what I want

E.g. cloudy blue and lively olive being among the worst

[heady gulch]

Disco has been bugging me about that for a long while now, I am redoing all the icons to be much more color accurate to their skin

Cuz yeah I agree, some icons just straight up have the colors wrong

[fair raptor]

Cool, looking forward to that

[abstract forge]

How close is the update? :3

[fair raptor]

Turn around.

[abstract forge]

This response makes 0 sense and I wasn't asking you tbh lol, I was just curious if Distinct has an eta since he's redone most of the skins now

I've been watching the thread

[harsh moat]

turn around

[abstract forge]

I know they updated ExtraEnemyVariety but I was talking about Colorful

Lol

Bruh

[harsh moat]

idk why blanca said that btw i just thought it was funny

[heady gulch]

(Blanca's just trying to be silly)

But honestly, I'm not sure. As many remakes as I've done there are still quite a couple enemies I want to go over (Butler is probably next) and then also there's taking all the screenshots and redoing all the icons. At the same time I also sometimes work a lot faster than I expect

[abstract forge]

Idk either, I think they were trying to be funny cus the other mod got updated lol

[heady gulch]

I want to say maybe this weekend? Or just early december

[fair raptor]

I was making a joke about the update being a physical entity, literally right behind Lunxara

[abstract forge]

Ah

Would have made more sense if I wasn't laying in bed rn XD

[fair raptor]

Yeah fair mb

[abstract forge]

Hehe

[abstract forge]

Yeah I think the Kidnapper Fox ones are definitely all fine and might not really need anything changed tbh

[harsh moat]

lay on your side then

idfk

[heady gulch]

Kidnapper Fox and Baboon Hawk I probably won't change

[abstract forge]

Yeah they already look really good

[fair raptor]

Both are pretty much perfect

[heady gulch]

(Cuz genuinely working on them are such pains argh)

Kinda part of the reason why Kidnapper has no Extra skins to speak of

[fair raptor]

What extra skin would you even give a kidnapper fox?

[abstract forge]

The fox is one of the best enemies in the game tbh and Zeekerss abandoned it

[fair raptor]

TRUE

[abstract forge]

I love that cute, derpy guy so much

[fair raptor]

I’m gonna cry

[harsh moat]

its funny cause zeekerss nerfed it before it was removed fully and now its like a C tier threat

[fair raptor]

Vain shrouds too?

I don’t see a lot of people mentioning them, and they’re kind of what makes the kidnapper foxes the way they are

I love both entities, especially vain shrouds since they’re the first plant entity

[abstract forge]

You have to use YesFox to restore all of it and personally I cap the iterations so there aren't too many

Vain Shrouds worked horrible when they existed in vanilla tbh

[fair raptor]

What’s a good cap?

[abstract forge]

Yeah it's ai is a lot more derpy now

More buggy like it was in the beta

[fair raptor]

Considering like most of its AI was neutered recently, it’s probably broken on purpose

[harsh moat]

it wasnt buggy in my experience

[heady gulch]

Disco has suggested one idea that was gonna be in reference to Zeekers and I've thought of maybe doing one in reference to Take Your Wish but other than that... we just haven't thought much because it's hard to judge how much we can do with the Kidnapper since the texture is so awful

[abstract forge]

5-6 then make sure the fox needs like 10-12 weeds to spawn

[harsh moat]

but it barely was a threat like ever

[fair raptor]

o

My fox requires 30 shrouds to spawn lol-

[fair raptor]

Agree

Most people just

I guess

Don’t want to outrun a threat??

Literally all you have to do is book it until the fox loses you

[thin marlin]

Yessir

Do they still pathfind to the ship and camp there? What’s there ai looking like

[spiral rain]

aw man I thought all of these except the blue and green were pretty much perfect

oh well, the new ones are pretty cool still 👍

[spiral rain]

miles tails prower from sonic the hedgheoh

fuck yeah.... sonis.!!!

[fair raptor]

Wouldn’t Sonic be better as a baboon hawk or eyeless dog

[spiral rain]

i said Tails

not sonic

fool!!!!

[fair raptor]

Oh

From

Fuck

[harsh moat]

from lethal company

[spiral rain]

Idiot.

[fair raptor]

SHUT UP ‼️‼️‼️ :SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH:

‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️❕‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️❔❔‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[harsh moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/240196923644968960/1131189835927920771/steahhappy.gif

[fair raptor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/340121345499201548/1222669466718961744/IMG_6922.gif

[limpid rune]

NOOOOO)O0o0o0oo0oo00o0o00!!!!! TULIP SNAKE GOT INFECTED BY SEEK

https://tenor.com/view/doors-roblox-roblox-doors-robloxdoors-doorsfloor2-gif-16140579996566325897

[storm bolt]

thats a good idea

[vale swift]

We were gonna attempt to make a skin based off zeekers' pfp on Twitter

Oops that was answered already

My fault for not reading ahead

[harsh moat]

what about his actual fursona

[vale swift]

Isn't his pfp his fursona?

[fair raptor]

Yuh

[harsh moat]

not on twitter

unless he changed it

[versed ferry]

when will all the skin improvements become real? i want to add the mod but i don't want to configure everything and then have to configure everything again afterwards

[harsh moat]

his actual fursona is like a grey fox with a green tuft of hair

[fair raptor]

That’s his sona though

[harsh moat]

what

[fair raptor]

Yeah ??

[versed ferry]

yeah that's his twitter pfp

[harsh moat]

oh

ok

i thought disco and blaze meant the white fox

lol

[fair raptor]

You must be thinking of his Discord pfp

[versed ferry]

his discord pfp is also the same character

[fair raptor]

He hasn’t changed his Twitter pfp in like

a year

[fair raptor]

Yeah but he swaps it out a lot /w random shit

[versed ferry]

anyways guh

[heady gulch]

Maybe this weekend(?) Rough estimate

[shut sable]

camping the ship was only an issue in v55 before the AI got reworked

it was like... totally broken when the beta initially released

in v56 its AI was rewritten and is basically fully functional now, at that point the issue became vain shrouds growing on top of the ship

because that would let their functional nesting behavior place them inside the ship for the whole day

shroud growth is fixed in yesfox so its not an issue anymore as of v64

[thin marlin]

Helpful information, thanks

If all that was fixed or easily fixable by a modder, why did zeekers remove them?

[spiral rain]

because people bitched and complained for the entirety of the entity's existence

sadly

and speedrunners can't really use mods that affect gameplay like an AI override or bugfix mod so the "comp" side of the community just played on foxless versions until it was removed

[fair raptor]

TulipDread

[harsh moat]

the competitive lethal company community pisses me off

[thin marlin]

First time I’ve heard of it outside seeing quota records recommends on yt

[harsh moat]

im sorry, but like, the fox was not ruining the game

it was a lot harder initially but as a whole the game was still fine

[spiral rain]

in its initial state it kind of was, you sorta needed a cruiser to kill it safely and weedkilling shrouds did nothing

[fair raptor]

Not to me, I've never had any issues /w it

[thin marlin]

A shame it was removed but if yesfox has atleast 80% functionality and this mod has the pretty skins for it and shrouds then it’s not so bad

[fair raptor]

Wish the camping ship thing was kept, however a drawback would def need to be implemented, e.g. the fox not being able to grab you until it's out of the ship

[spiral rain]

mmm

no I think shipcaming was the whole reason people hated it and bringing it back would not have been the right play

[thin marlin]

Idk about that, I like it catching stragglers instead of being overly agro

[fair raptor]

How do people not have issues /w masked then

[harsh moat]

because theyre actually killable

[fair raptor]

So are foxes?

[spiral rain]

afaik the point of the fox was to force players to either take different paths or force them to do something else to continously grind a single moon effectively

[spiral rain]

they go way faster and their kill anim is instant

a masked's can be interrupted

[harsh moat]

the fox was
but it was also the hardest monster to kill

[limpid rune]

they make u drop ur items when grabbed

[harsh moat]

with a shovel at least

[limpid rune]

and its not one shot like snare flea

[fair raptor]

Eyeless dogs:

[livid garden]

introduce a mod that makes masked fun to play with like mirage and maybe ship camper foxy would be fun to have lol

[fair raptor]

Fnaf

[limpid rune]

the door:

[fair raptor]

Cheese does not count, sorry

[harsh moat]

you can make dogs get stuck by bugging out their aggro meter

[fair raptor]

Clearly unintended

[limpid rune]

the slide method:

[harsh moat]

and then you can beat them down fairly easy

[spiral rain]

they drop your items
they insta kill
their death anim isn't interruptable
they camp ship
they drag you in with their tongue
it's almost impossible to free yourself without a weapon if it already grabbed you because of how fast stamina depletes

[limpid rune]

(hit them during dash)

[fair raptor]

It's still hard to do when those things are going at mach 10 /w a huge hitbox

[thin marlin]

Different paths is nice, I like constellations to avoid the single moon point aswell

[limpid rune]

https://tenor.com/view/true-successfully-deployed-get-this-man-a-true-true-morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-gif-17551062976351461149

[spiral rain]

every problem with the fox is listed here

not counting vain shrouds

[pure cedar]

issues with fox is a skill issue

[spiral rain]

these are all made worse by the fact the fox just camped ship lol

[limpid rune]

i now make you lost media

[harsh moat]

anyways

[pure cedar]

being grabbed by a fox when ur in the ship is like

[fair raptor]

Didn't their bestiary tell you to literally either stay away from the entity, or go with a weapon

[pure cedar]

such a non issue

[fair raptor]

Do people like

[harsh moat]

its kinda dumb to compare masked to the fox for how hard they are to kill

[fair raptor]

not read

[harsh moat]

because masked are almost too easy

[thin marlin]

You know people don’t read lol

[limpid rune]

https://tenor.com/view/correct-plankton-gif-14118231

[spiral rain]

it's hard to stay away when it literally spawns Next to the ship

[fair raptor]

That part is objectively ass yes

[pure cedar]

closing the door when it has you grabbed detethers it lol

and you're probably in the run far enough to have at least a shovel

[fair raptor]

Without that though, they're fine

[limpid rune]

most clear on awakening wood moon, mf instantly goes to ship no matter where

[spiral rain]

yes, that is what I'm saying

literally everything I listed as a problem is Shit objectively but it's not as bad if it doesn't camp ship

[fair raptor]

Oh I thought you meant camp ship as in the vain shrouds were under where the ship was

[spiral rain]

problem is, shrouds grew on the ship, like on every single moon

[thin marlin]

Do the foxes yelp or have any interaction if their tongue gets stuck in the door?

[spiral rain]

it kinda means the same thing

[fair raptor]

Wait

[limpid rune]

i guess but the bushes are way too often spawning i think the spawnrate should go extremely far down when there is enough to spawn fox and nerf the weed killer to instakill bushes

[spiral rain]

the fox rarely goes away from its shroud area, unless it's stalking a player

[fair raptor]

Ok I'm actually stupid I CANNOT READ

[spiral rain]

at which point you canl ook at it and run away

[pure cedar]

all of these are really only issues if skill issue im so serious btw

[spiral rain]

but if the shrouds spawn On the ship it will camp on its shroud area and effectivelly make commutes impossible for a whole day

[fair raptor]

Yeah that's bad

[limpid rune]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-toystory-mrpotatohead-creepypasta-gif-14226543197384412466

[fair raptor]

Also it should only take 1-2 players to get a fox to go away

Not like the entire crew

[spiral rain]

they are unless the enemy spawns Literally next to the ship, at which point, unless you have a cruiser or a gun it's pretty much impossible to do anything

[fair raptor]

Outside butlers basically would've been better

[pure cedar]

It's

All you need is a shovel

lol

lol

lol

[limpid rune]

i think this woul fix the spawnrate issue for the bushes

[spiral rain]

go on a moon with a fully shrouded ship and kill a kidnapper fox by yourself

:troll

[pure cedar]

ok

[fair raptor]

What if you don't have one, you can't avoid it then lol

[spiral rain]

yeah 😭

[fair raptor]

It's going to camp the hangar until the door hydraulics run out

Then you're dead

[spiral rain]

an enemy that requires an item to counter that spawns 100% of the time at the start of the day every day for the whole quota is just terrible

[limpid rune]

kidnapper fox camping the ship knowing full well he is in a game that should be balanced:

[pure cedar]

what moon

[spiral rain]

titan

[pure cedar]

ok

[spiral rain]

i'm not saying it's impossible btw I'm just saying it's literally obtuse to say this is fine to deal with every single day

[pure cedar]

That's not the Fox's problem

[spiral rain]

the other issue is that shrouds just. don't go away !!!! when you weedkill them!!!

[pure cedar]

It's the fucking weeds that were always the problem with the enemy lol

[limpid rune]

they should make it so bushes stop spawning when they are at the amount to alloww the fox to spawn

and also buff the weedkiller so u can easy stop it from spawning by spraying them

[fair raptor]

Even as the #1 kidnapper fox/vain shroud dickrider I'll at least admit to like their most glaring issue lol

[spiral rain]

problem is how the enemy spawns
not the enemy's problem

lole

[shut sable]

this is actually explainable behavior

[livid garden]

i dont count bugs as issues when listing negatives with something though

unless that's somehow not a bug lol

[shut sable]

even though i dont agree with it in terms of design

[shut sable]

it is not

[livid garden]

no way it's not a bug?

[limpid rune]

i dont think it is its just the amount u gotta spray it

[shut sable]

weeds instantly grow back between days if there is another unkilled weed within 8m

[pure cedar]

If the Kidnapper Fox spawned like an average enemy it'd be fine 👍

[fair raptor]

I love vain shrouds spawning on buildings woo-hoo (I do not)

[spiral rain]

I would 100% do, if a feature doesn't work as it's supposed to i'll still list it as a negative

[fair raptor]

That was another issue /w them

[livid garden]

that's pretty stupid lol (about hte weed being intended to respawn like that)

[spiral rain]

can't not list bugs as a negative when talking about smth imo, esp if they've never been fixed officially

[shut sable]

so you have to exterminate an entire zone to get rid of the weeds or entire 8m radii will just grow back each day

[limpid rune]

guys i have an idea on how it could be fixed: prevent bushes from spawning when the fox can spawn

[fair raptor]

Yeah like all 30 vain shrouds immediately respawning the next day is ass and such a damn chore

[livid garden]

well its been fixed, he got rid of everything

[shut sable]

with that in mind, i think it is clear why weed killer sucks

[fair raptor]

Weed killer straight up doesn't do its job

[limpid rune]

make it larger range and instakill bushes (also more uses)

[spiral rain]

can't believe you made me laugh w that

i missed you xu 😭

[livid garden]

need me a Clentaminator weed killer

[shut sable]

you arent intended to pulverize the shrouds on every single moon, but it does give you control on stopping infestations if you catch them early in a bad spot

[fair raptor]

It has too little of a capacity to be of any use, especially if the vain shroud is on a moon /w hella fog like Rend

[limpid rune]

IS NOBODY READING MY IDEA REEEEEEEEE

[spiral rain]

I suggested a flamethrower way back when!!! this would be so fucking funny lmaoo

[livid garden]

ehh give it another week, i gotta carry 3 group projects before christmas holidays

[harsh moat]

ive said this before, but the fox is literally basically a crimson monster

[shut sable]

once it grows out of control it is just area denial you have to play around until you are fired

[fair raptor]

What are you talking about

[spiral rain]

take a break goddamn

[livid garden]

genuinely, i feel like if i combined the biomes idea i had with the yesfox it would be fun lol

[spiral rain]

fake ass terraria fan

[harsh moat]

terraria thing

blanca hasnt played it lol

[fair raptor]

I wasn't a fan to begin with

[spiral rain]

idk why I said that you prolly never played terraria

[fair raptor]

lol

[spiral rain]

[livid garden]

not my fault these guys had literally 3 weeks to do this and within the last week they showed me they had 1 slide down which was, and i quote "Board game project (name not decided)" as the entire slide

[limpid rune]

alright its "#" time

GUYS, just make the bushes stop spawning when the fox can spawn

[shut sable]

although i dont think weed killer communicates its intent super well to the player

[fair raptor]

No ❤️ Keep both entities thx

[spiral rain]

oh you meant uni

yeah fuck group projects bruh

[livid garden]

yeah

[shut sable]

i think most players see the fox and (not at all wrongfully) assume it is their job to exterminate the weeds entirely to stop it from spawning because there isnt much mechanical transparency

[livid garden]

in terms of CR, i redirect people to the github issues, if they dont post there, im not fixing the thing they had annoyance with even if i remember it lol

[livid garden]

that feels right, how is it supposed to be done?

[spiral rain]

yeah it's communicated to be like a straigfht counter to weeds but it's just kind of putting a bandaid on a 4 inch wide gash

[shut sable]

one of those things where i think zeekerss had a clear vision that was implemented well but was communicated poorly to the community

[spiral rain]

wait isn't that what it's supposed to be?

[storm bolt]

thats actually a good idea

[shut sable]

weed killer is useless in the "late stages" of growth and i dont think that is in error or something zeekerss is unaware of

[spiral rain]

you can do dat by capping itterations via yesFox I think

[livid garden]

i remember when fox was released, it was cool af, and it still is, it was a fresh take on like an outside snare flea type aggresion (drops your items, takes a hit to make it stop latching onto you, etc)

[shut sable]

it is just that "late stages" can be as early as like 4 days after it starts

[limpid rune]

nice, would also be good to buff the weedkiller

[spiral rain]

yeah it was really cool and scary, until the ship weeds started happening

[shut sable]

and if it grows on a moon you dont have the money to visit and you arent there to stop it, landing there later means you missed your chance to stop it

[spiral rain]

crazy that I like the barber way more than it even though the fox is just objectively the better enemy (conceptually)

[fair raptor]

Wait what does this mean, how do iterations work exactly

[shut sable]

so now it is a permanent obstacle

[limpid rune]

and the fact that it takes like 1000000 bottles of weed killer to go back in the lategame

[spiral rain]

I think it's like groups of shrouds or smth, ask buttery

she's got the deets

[fair raptor]

Ohhh Buttery

[spiral rain]

that's why it's so stuupid

[shut sable]

and this is fine and cool, just not very fun when it spawns on top of the ship, as bugs would allow it to do

[pure cedar]

mfw it takes about a minute to deal with a fox solo

[shut sable]

weeds experience exponential growth

[fair raptor]

Yeah but have you considered that the ship has funny hair now

[fair raptor]

Explain this to me in dumbass language thx

[livid garden]

btw why did this convo start? is there a skin for fox coming to this mod?

[fair raptor]

Nah, the fox was just mentioned, and it went from there

[livid garden]

small growth at start, a lot bigger and bigger growth for every extra day that passes

[spiral rain]

nah there's just 3 skins already and we said there's prolly no need to revamp them (since they're redoing some color skins)

[shut sable]

iteration 1 spawns a weed at the starting position and 0-2 weeds branching from it randomly

[spiral rain]

and then we started talking about the fox

[heady gulch]

Fox's texture is a whole other horror story

[limpid rune]

i think we should buff the hell out of weed killer

[livid garden]

that's like, EVERY texture

[fair raptor]

Does it reset if all vain shrouds are killed?

[shut sable]

iteration 2 takes the 1-3 weeds from iteration 1 and lets 0-2 weeds branch off from each

[livid garden]

look at hte old bird's textures @heady gulch

[livid garden]

that im not sure, buttery prolly knows

[fair raptor]

You haven't fucking seen the ghost girl/barber textures yet

What a shitshow

[shut sable]

iteration 3 takes the 1-9 weeds from iteration 2 and lets each branch 0-2 more times

etc.

[fair raptor]

Buttery

[spiral rain]

they already re-did em :3

they look p cool, lemme find em

[heady gulch]

Jester is like easily a million times worse

[shut sable]

yes if weeds are completely exterminated they reset back to 0 iterations and must succeed the random daily chance to start growing again

[fair raptor]

Zeekerss needs his UV unwrapping license revoked

[spiral rain]

@livid garden #1238032120631263243 message

[shut sable]

but that is only if every single weed is removed

[fair raptor]

Ah okay, all I needed to know, thanks

[livid garden]

greatest textures of all time

[fair raptor]

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

WHY

[spiral rain]

OH you meant the actual textures lol, thought you meant the skins

[livid garden]

those are zeekerss' old bird textures

[fair raptor]

WHY DID HE DO THAT

[livid garden]

yeye

[spiral rain]

auto uv

[livid garden]

its auto unwrapped

[fair raptor]

WHY IS EVERY SINGLE FACE

[livid garden]

well its not every face, but yeah

[spiral rain]

y'all seen the forest keeper's?

[fair raptor]

Almost, but still

[fair raptor]

Oh god, another nightmare

[heady gulch]

Hold on I need to pull the ghost girl up real quick

[fair raptor]

You can just TELL by looking at the model that its UV is... off

[shut sable]

i wanted to reskin the keeper for chameleon

[livid garden]

nutcracker eye textures is funny lol

[shut sable]

make it snowy but keep the eyes clean

and it was basically impossible to figure out how to do that nicely

[spiral rain]

s1ckboy sent me this a few months back like "yo I might need a retexture of the giant for seichi do you think you can give this a try?" and then sent me this:

[shut sable]

because the eyes are all over the place

[spiral rain]

https://tenor.com/view/agh-quit-gif-498994852169174544

[livid garden]

🤣

"do you think you can give this a try"

[spiral rain]

like i'm going ANYWHERE NEAR THAT SHITTT HEEEELL NAAAH

you are CRAZY if you think imma fuck w that

[livid garden]

honestly, it would be easier to rip the ForestKeeper and fix the UV's THEN retexture him lol

[fair raptor]

WHAT IS THIS SHIT 😭 IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING YOU'D PRINT, CUT OUT, AND PUT TOGETHER /W TAPE

[spiral rain]

i'm sorry s1ck.... but the way my jaw dropped

[livid garden]

moments before disaster

[shut sable]

tbf "more vibrant colors" could just be hueshifting

[harsh moat]

ghost girls and barbers are also pretty cool

[storm bolt]

I've tried making stuff like that and I know know why a lot of the skins are just recolors (the butler is also bad)

[spiral rain]

well ye but I didn't wanna be lazy and just hue shift

[heady gulch]

Her texture

Her UV

[fair raptor]

I just mentioned them

[fair raptor]

Holy

mother

of

fuck

WHY

[harsh moat]

lmfao

[shut sable]

lol the amount of unused skin is interesting

[fair raptor]

ZEEKERSS WHAT WERE YOU SMOKING?? BECAUSE I WANT SOME OF IT

[spiral rain]

I need to get on call w a person who knows blender to re-do these UVs someday, still wanna do that

[spiral rain]

it's so ass but he literally just makes the texture and then just gens the UV i thinke

something like that

[livid garden]

there's no real point to do that anyway

[fair raptor]

A90Agony

[spiral rain]

cuz I don't see how the fuck he would work w this

[livid garden]

well he doesnt need to work with it

he just unwraps

[spiral rain]

ye that's what I mean

[livid garden]

this is not a product he works with, its the end product, unfortunately

lol

[spiral rain]

I usually do the UVs first and then do the textures

[fair raptor]

This is what I do

Well, did

[spiral rain]

you do 3d?

[fair raptor]

I don't model anymore

[spiral rain]

c..can i see.....

[harsh moat]

bro has an obsession

[spiral rain]

im sorry that I want to see blanca's cool fucking 3d models!!!!

[shut sable]

zeekerss said he just doodles on the model in blender and exports it auto unwrapped

[fair raptor]

I'll try to look for non-Surfaced shit since I didn't model this stuff myself

[shut sable]

which works for him and really that is all that matters

[spiral rain]

their art is cool so naturally I would like to see more of it 👍

[fair raptor]

I know I have a martian machine somewhere

[spiral rain]

oo I forgot you did these

[shut sable]

it is a pain in the ass for modifying it, of course

[spiral rain]

honestly these shoulda been the thumbnail they go hard

[spiral rain]

mhm

[heady gulch]

Honestly at a point you bash your head into the wall enough times and you eventually figure out how an enemy's texture works

[stiff sorrel]

Oh that's gore.

[heady gulch]

Except Barber, barber just has special screw you spots that screw you forever

[harsh moat]

are you sure about that

[stiff sorrel]

That's gore.

[shut sable]

@lapis goblet could talk more about this since she is generally more aware of the barber's situation

but she found out that the barber's normal map (which was added in v60 but is unused) has completely different UVs than the diffuse map

like it has a secondary texture laid on top of it

[thin marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-confused-travolta-where-lost-gif-5308454

[shut sable]

and it causes it to look so fucky zeekerss just disabled the normal map immediately after adding it to the game

Lol

[pure cedar]

the rough texture thing?

[fair raptor]

Yeah I can't find it, original files were deleted. I'll dm you Monty if I ever find the render of my own model that I was looking for

I know it's in one of my group chats, but it's deep as fuck in there

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-hell-gif-8356693125066769156

Horror

[livid garden]

this just feels like a case of using the wrong normal map though

[shut sable]

yeah

[fair raptor]

claysturgeon

arber

[shut sable]

why do i feel like the crispy menu theme is about to start playing

[fair raptor]

Idk what that is

[livid garden]

https://tenor.com/view/house-dr-gif-18478734

better theme

[spiral rain]

oki!! dw about it then, not gonna make you go thru all that lol

[fair raptor]

FOUND ONE

[fair raptor]

My first and last humanoid model

lol

Not rigged either

[spiral rain]

epic asf..

the impact font makes it a lil funny tho lmao

[fair raptor]

It wasn't who I was looking for though

[fair raptor]

It's similar to the movie's logo I think

Pretty much

I FOUND THE BEST GIF TRYING TO FIND THIS RENDER

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/469876010914152459/1073395278960414770/26603_-_SoyBooru.gif

IT'SSO BAD

HELP

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/garn47-car-garn-friend-cat-gif-18000602364342289956

[fair raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/pyro-tf2-wide-gif-26186534

This too

[heady gulch]

Yay or Nay?

The current ones for reference

[fair raptor]

Hella yay

[harsh moat]

i like the og green one more

[fair raptor]

I honestly didn't like how they initially turned out, they felt too vibrant and uncreepy, but I didn't say anything because I was already asking for enough that day

[harsh moat]

i suppose for the vibes it is better

but idk i like the og green butlers outfit

[fair raptor]

But these fit the butler's grim aesthetic so much better, while also remaining camouflaged in their native moon

[heady gulch]

I still somewhat like og yellow, og green me nor disco never felt really satisfied with

But I agree the current ones stand out a bit much compared to every other butler skin

[fair raptor]

Unrelated, but I do have a weird request for coil-heads that might be interesting to consider, I guess, and also might be too much work, but: Different skin tones, like real skin tones, and a female coil-head skin along /w said skin tones, to make these entities feel like actual victims(?)

[harsh moat]

actually ngl a company suit coil head would be a good skin

[fair raptor]

That too

[harsh moat]

like it was an employee

[heady gulch]

I thought coilheads were like, constructed bio weapons?

Not that I think the idea you propose is bad mind you

[fair raptor]

That's just a theory

Lore-wise

Nobody knows where they came from

[harsh moat]

its not a theory, its in their bestiary entry

its true no one knows their origin

[fair raptor]

It's stated to be a theory in their bestiary entry is what I meant

[harsh moat]

oh

[fair raptor]

At the very least, a Company employee coil-head would be nice

Both would be equally terrifying

[harsh moat]

well the thing is, when someone dies to a coil head, they almost become one

[fair raptor]

Yuh

[harsh moat]

the only difference is no nails and their head rolls away

[heady gulch]

Well, eitherway I like the ideas even if Extra already has done the whole employee skin idea twice already. Different skin tones might be neat too

[fair raptor]

Tbf those are joke skins, and this one seems more serious

[storm bolt]

very noce

[heady gulch]

Employee Maneater is no joke

They are ready to serve the company

[fair raptor]

True, I'm sorry for the disrespect of our hard working cave cockroach

[heady gulch]

[fair raptor]

ManeaterAdult

[harsh moat]

you should make a grandpa skin for the nutcracker from lethal company

[fair raptor]

FUCK OF

https://media.giphy.com/media/RdyxP0118GSGcRmUOF/giphy.gif

If that was serious I'm sorry 💔 no hard feel

[storm bolt]

I was wondering if you had a butler skin guide thing like (or at least it looks like) you had for the coilhead since I am actually going crazy with the hands (I'm trying to give them gloves)

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-tower-the-doise-doise-peddito-doise-die-gif-8882752828997897086

[fair raptor]

A Noise skin for tulip snakes would work great actually lol

They've been described as gremlins by Zeekerss himself

[harsh moat]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1058854000998486086/1221158089294872667/caption.gif

[fair raptor]

Anyways yeah that's all

[heady gulch]

Add my pizzasona..

[fair raptor]

Just throwing random ideas

[fair raptor]

Collect my toppins...

[harsh moat]

WHAT

[fair raptor]

Yea that's the official term of Pizza Tower ocs

Like unironically

By the creator himself

[heady gulch]

Yeah, I have one lol

Was testing layers and unironically looks like that one dude from space funeral ngl..

[fair raptor]

Dude looks like a character out of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

[harsh moat]

i will randomly bring this up like 2 years later and ask you to make this a skin

[heady gulch]

By then I will have made Colorful Enemy Variety 2, 1000 skins

[fair raptor]

Colorful Enemy Variety 2: Electric Boogaloo

[harsh moat]

you will also make colorful scrap variety, colorful equipment variety, colorful furniture variety, colorful ship variety, and colorful lights variety

we will also get skins for masked and the company monster

[fair raptor]

Jeb?...

Oh, I thought you were asking, lol

I was like, how does that make sense

[heady gulch]

Colorful Planet Variety, whole planets in new shades of colors

Yellow Embrion, Red Adamance

[fair raptor]

Mf is adding seasons to Lethal Company 😭

[heady gulch]

I wish, that'd go hard

[harsh moat]

colorful fog variety

[fair raptor]

Kill y

[spiral rain]

100% the new ones are by far better

[spiral rain]

oh my god it's piss baby from space funerale..

philip!! thats his name

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/space-funeral-dracula-conversation-weed-gif-27450017

[spiral rain]

ye but since their body texture is literally just human skin you could assume that these used to be people

[heady gulch]

That's true. I have wanted to touch up on Coilhead anyways once i'm done with butler so maybe I can play around with colors

Or Thumper, but honestly I'm not sure those are salvagable

[marsh fjord]

Would it be possible to just have a render or a picture of the creatures skin show up when it’s selected?

[harsh moat]

theyd have to greenscreen crop all of them, which isnt possible for green skins

[marsh fjord]

would it be possible to just use a different background color to cut it then?

[harsh moat]

...you know what true

but it could still be fairly ugly for larger monsters

like the jester especially

[marsh fjord]

valid

just an idea

[spiral rain]

I mean they can also just get a 3d render from blender done since they use it for texting

texturing***

but the icons are way more charming

[heady gulch]

I can’t really do that, I’m limited to just the icons in the EnemySkinRegistry config

[versed ferry]

are there any enemies that won't get any skin changes with the skin reworks?

[heady gulch]

Ghost Girl, Nutcracker, Maneater, Baboon Hawk, Hygrodere, Kidnapper Fox are a definitive not gonna get changed

and Barber

Hoarder Bug, Spider, Bracken, Tulip Snake, & Spore Lizard are currently a "maybe" but not sure

[limpid rune]

Suggestion: a breadbug themed hoarding bug skin (since nobody made it staight up https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1286427901880696842 ) light brown face, cyan eyes, brown body

[tacit lance]

[versed ferry]

manticoils could use more basic recolor skins...

[abstract forge]

No the Manticoils are perfect as they are

[versed ferry]

i disagree

[abstract forge]

The whole point is to add color, you can always reenable the vanilla one with the slider if you wanna see it from time to time

[versed ferry]

most enemies have atleast 5 basic recolors, manticoils only have 3

and manticoils are one of the most common creatures

[tacit lance]

Pink manticoils

[stiff sorrel]

macaw manticoils

[versed ferry]

i could see it
also you're saying this because it'd fit on your moon...

[tacit lance]

Idk what youre talking about

[fair raptor]

Don’t forget locusts and bees lol

[versed ferry]

those are small little bugs, you hardly see the color

[fair raptor]

Noticeable to me /w their current skins

[versed ferry]

you hardly see the color

[spiral rain]

it's very noticeable imo

[versed ferry]

you hardly see the color