Colorful Enemy Variety (& Extra Enemy Variety)

[fair raptor]

With animals, you have to make sure it makes sense, I guess

[harsh moat]

did you know theres like 500+ different nutcrackers

i know because my brothers wife collects them unironically

and good lord

there are so many in their house

[vale swift]

we have a LOT of ideas for the nutcracker in the bonus skins

but thats for another time

https://tenor.com/view/eustace-courage-the-cowardly-dog-courage-dance-eustace-bagge-gif-12700818999927592456

our work here is done for the moment

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-tom-bed-bedtime-sleep-gif-19177257

[harsh moat]

like

[vale swift]

what the fuck

[tired citrus]

is Pepsi-Barber still a dream?

[vale swift]

until we can figure out how to work on him

[heady gulch]

Still a dream... for now

[harsh moat]

i get why you named it blob teal but now no one will get its also a blacklight version of the barber
unless they check how it would look themselves
not really that bothered though

[heady gulch]

Blob Teal is not based on the Blacklight version, its just its own thing

[harsh moat]

oh wtf

it looks really similar

i dislike that all the brackens skins change their eye color cause it kind of makes it easier to spot one sneaking nearby

[heady gulch]

Not the right shade of blue and green for blacklight

[harsh moat]

it wasnt really a problem with cosmos purple cause it was the only skin that did that and you could just turn it off

but now all of them do it

[vale swift]

isnt the whole point of the bracken is his eyes stand out?

cuz i usually see the eyes before i see the bracken's body

[tired citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-point-debate-argument-angel-gif-17274775

[harsh moat]

well yeah but the brackens white eyes make it blend in better around the environments

vanilla interiors would have other colors stick out easily

[vale swift]

isnt the body that blends in?

the eyes are supposed to be what stands out

[harsh moat]

for the most part yes but the eyes of the bracken are still not always immediately identifiable

ive had some moments ive even thought i saw them

and then i realized i didnt

now with the skins i just dont have to worry about that moment of thinking i see one all the time

[tired citrus]

if you don't like a skin color, you can always remove, althrough the eyes blender sometimes, bracken can be easily spotted most times

the body color doesn't make much difference because it's dark

but the eyes really stand out

[harsh moat]

well no you cant really just disable the skins now cause all of them have colored eyes

again cosmos purple was fine it was the only one that did that

but if you just disable the skins entirely then
well
you get no bracken skins lol

[heady gulch]

I feel like you're overthinking it. If anything the eyes from the Bracken skins would be harder to spot because they are not nearly as bright as the vanilla Bracken's eyes

[vale swift]

also that

[harsh moat]

i dont agree really

[vale swift]

the eyes arent as bright as they are when they were white

[harsh moat]

besides for colorblind people i guess

[tired citrus]

wdym you can't disable the skins? you get the vanilla bracken with the white eyes you want =/

[harsh moat]

but i also want the skins so

H

[heady gulch]

I personally do not see much of a problem

[tired citrus]

now that i think about it, imagine a bracken skin with white body and dark eyes 🤔

[heady gulch]

If I get more input on the Brackens I'll maybe check them again

But right now, it is what it is

[vale swift]

look i hate to be that guy but the body is what blends in and the eyes are what stands out you kinda only see the color when you get close or shine a light directly at it

[fallen finch]

albino bracken moment
(or insert 'void' related name here)

[fallen finch]

disco is correct
i was the bracken

[vale swift]

that is true

[shut sable]

the blue spore lizard is missing its name in the album

pretty cool update

i like the bonus tulip the most of all the new stuff

probably

[vale swift]

i loved making that one

i totally wasnt inspired by s1ckboy's moon while making it

[heady gulch]

Whoops, good catch

[pale rose]

white bracken with red eyes then

thatd b cool

[harsh moat]

make an ultraviolet bracken so when you see it you lose your ability to see anything else

[plush crest]

All white bracken with black eyes when?

👀

[heady gulch]

We're gonna finally take a break tonight but this is what we have so far for the remade Toy Model Old Bird (Headphones not included yet)

(the old one for reference)

[steel raft]

That looks really good so far

[vast wave]

I'm in love with the bonus skins, they're very creative and well done, I'm looking forward to the return of the Purple Bracken Cosmos.

Maybe you could make more color variations of these skins, I'd love to see a Cosmos Blue/Green Bracken or a Cyber ​​Old Bird (Green with Black and with headphones or a visor) as examples.

So we could have a mod that just changes the skins in a basic way (for people who don't want big variations) and another one that changes the skins but with nice additions, so that the second mod doesn't become just an extra.

[heady gulch]

We probably won’t make different colorations for most of the skins in ExtraEnemyVariety, but depending on how much we like a skin, we could maybe make a few extra colorations. Just like we’ve already done for the Camo Nutcracker

[plush crest]

VERY nice

Do you know if the black widow one is available yet for the spider? @heady gulch

[harsh moat]

its for the extra enemy variety mod

[plush crest]

Is that seperate from this one? Just woke up, looking through the list atm

[heady gulch]

Check this message if you want a rundown

[plush crest]

Tysm

[violet kettle]

What's the difference between Extra Enemy Variety and Colorful Enemy Variety?

And are they compatible?

[heady gulch]

Extra has every bonus skin previously from Colorful (plus some new ones)

And yes, they’re completely compatible. That’s what EnemySkinRegistry is for

We decided to split them as we want Colorful to stick with basic recolors and any future skins we want to make are gonna be more unique, which is what Extras is for

[violet kettle]

Sounds great! :3

Will be adding this to my modpack

[spiral rain]

this is my favorite color scheme ong :)

[fair raptor]

HE HAS BOOTS

I love him

Can I make an old bird oc based off of him..

[young valley]

before I didn't want the "toy" old bird in my modpack because it seemed so out of place, but now looking at the redesign I might just put it back in

[harsh moat]

my oc donut steal

[fair raptor]

I am the donut stealer

Give me all of your donuts at once

[heady gulch]

If you really want to, go for it! Don’t see any problem with it

[harsh moat]

k

[fair raptor]

I just realized

Is this intentional?

[young valley]

Yeah I thought so too

[vale swift]

Flipping the nutcracker to the right side was intentional but having them pair like that was not

Just a happy accident that worked in our favor

[fair raptor]

A very good coincidence lol

[steel raft]

Okay I gotta say this - this is my favorite lethal company mod I've seen. I love how it's always a silly surprise when you turn a corner and see a pink spore lizard or a blue hoarder bug. This is a must-have in all of my modpacks. Thank you guys sm for making this it is the best thing ever<33

[heady gulch]

Appreciate the kind words! Me and my friends didn't think this mod would gain as much traction as it did, or that we'd make so many skins for the mod, but honestly it's just been really fun coming up with ideas and designing them. Doubly so now that we're focusing on more unique skins

[harsh moat]

while i cant say this is my all time favorite mod

this is definitely one of the best mods made for lethal

id put this up against so many overrated ones easily

its something so simple but adds so much

and i love it

[fair raptor]

Frency fry spider

[fair raptor]

Agree

I love biology, and LC's biology, and more of it is what vanilla is missing

This is a staple in my modpack

How come my profile never saves?

[harsh moat]

hmmm

[fair raptor]

Built like a pine cone

[steel raft]

VIVA PINATA MENTIONED

[storm jungle]

Probably some dumb mistake I made.
Does changing your host sync settings affect it at all? I know there's a couple flags based off of that.

[storm jungle]

Try exiting and re-entering the menu. I think I'm just not updating immediately.

[fair raptor]

Where's that?

[storm jungle]

Nevermind, it's probably just backing out of the menu and coming back in.

[heady gulch]

I had to remake the laughs it had previously It's good enough I think

Also I'm not sure if I did this for the previous iteration but it'll also still have some of it's default brainwash signals mixed in, just none of the crying ones

[harsh moat]

youre telling me they wash brains with these things?

[heady gulch]

with FIRE

[young valley]

dang that sounds scary

[fair raptor]

That's actually creepier than the regular old bird, what the fuck

Great job

[storm jungle]

Found the issue. Two methods got swapped.

[spiral rain]

bio WHAT?

[spiral rain]

https://tenor.com/view/yoshi-mk8dx-mario-kart-yoshi-bike-yoshi-on-yoshi-bike-gif-10392093496262152806

i need a fox recolor that's green and white

[spiral rain]

teehee hehehohohooo ,, , , heeheee hehahoauhhh

i agree so much

[heady gulch]

I've been lazy but I should probably ask around where to properly get the materials for the Hydrogere and Kidnapper Fox at some point

Because using LC Project Patcher their materials just come out as internal shader errors which... I can't use

[shut sable]

the kidnapper fox just uses a special shader to make its fur all fluffy

you can just remap its diffuse texture to an HDRP/Lit shader and then recolor it based on what you see

though, you will of course run into issues if you try to compile the material into an asset bundle

because then you'll lose the fur in-game

you'd instead have to clone the original material and change the texture

which IIRC enemyskinkit has/will have support for?

[heady gulch]

There's a "replace texture" feature but from what I tested it doesn't change the fox at all, though I only tested for a short while ig so may take a crack at it again

[storm jungle]

It only replaces the main texture. If it's not the main texture then it won't work.
It's just for really simple cases.

[shut sable]

i see

in the case of the kidnapper fox it would need to replace the _Diffuse map

so that might be out, then

[heady gulch]

What about for the Hygro? Is it something similar?

Because I notice I could slap a material on him and give it a color but A. No semi transparency and B. it doesn't contort around like when it "squeezes" through doorways

[shut sable]

yeah for the hygrodere you need its original shader

i dont think it uses a diffuse texture at all

i think the color is just defined with color parameters on the shader

[storm jungle]

I'll probably get around to including materials and ways to just set those parameters. But I really need to put this project away for a bit.

[heady gulch]

That's fair

[vale swift]

WORKING SUCKS!

[solar cobalt]

[heady gulch]

He totally meant that in reference to the skin

https://tenor.com/view/farcry6-gif-23383353

[tacit lance]

I love it xd

[spiral rain]

love that actually

[heady gulch]

Remade version of Cosmos Purple

[abstract forge]

Is it unique to Cosmocos? If so that's perfection 😍

@solar cobalt You'll love this c;

[heady gulch]

You can make it unique to cosmocos :)

[abstract forge]

Okay okay then hear me out

You need a dying red variant as well, to go with Desolation 👀

[spiral rain]

@wind berry

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/business-man-leon-short-gif-21636355

[solar cobalt]

not bad

[heady gulch]

Actually, there isn't really any outside Brackens on Desolation, is there?

[solar cobalt]

correct

[abstract forge]

They can spawn inside though

So it would still work lol

[fallen finch]

ferb i know what we're going to do today 🗿

brackens outside on Desolation sounds really cool ngl but one must wonder if it'd be a bit jarring

[solar cobalt]

https://i.gyazo.com/87aeac19bc0b14c01b1bf6da94822bc3.png negative

[heady gulch]

Bummer

[fallen finch]

do the red locust bees even spawn inside on Desolation? i never actually got them to work on my end

[solar cobalt]

theyre the Circuit Bees, yea?

yea ive seen em there. rarely but i have

seen em more on Infernis

[fallen finch]

do they spawn with or without the nest?

[solar cobalt]

with

[fallen finch]

ok that makes more sense

does this apply to butler bees as well?

because every time ive tried looking for those being spawned via LLL they were always missing

[solar cobalt]

ive seen em spawn without the Butt before

least im pretty sure i have

[fallen finch]

alr thanks for the info, gonna use this

[abstract forge]

Weird I could have swarn we had one spawn on there before lol

[heady gulch]

Closer look to do it more justice

This is us mainly dipping our toes in the water in terms of texturing for the bracken (which he usually doesn't have)

[solar cobalt]

pertty

[heady gulch]

I feel like if you really look it at the pattern may begin to look off, but to me it's "good enough"

[fallen finch]

does that mean brackens are 'smoothed?'
(ive never seen one close enough)

[heady gulch]

They're just a color and normal map

normally

[fallen finch]

also the texturing looks cool, adds some flavor and an indescribable look to them

the best descriptor is that they look similar to bark such as the bark on forest giants, which provides me a funny idea for a bonus skin

[abstract forge]

Excited for this c;

[vale swift]

coilheads try not to be annoying challenge

impossible

[eager cypress]

Question, would the foxes have color eventually?

[harsh moat]

lol

extra variety has more downloads now

so that means more people liked the og version because of the bonus skins

which is interesting i think

[heady gulch]

The answer right now is I’m not sure. Both them and the Hygro’s are a special case that make it challenging to make colors for at the moment

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-omg-lol-laugh-gif-12956385894842429484

[harsh moat]

yeah

basically

[harsh moat]

ok so like

is this just because i dont have post processing

[vale swift]

He has beautiful eyes

[heady gulch]

Bracken had incorrect assignments to his materials in EnemySkinKit and that was fixed yesterday. What you're seeing is his Emission but I didn't realize how much it stuck him out in the dark like that

I'll probably revert the emissions on all the skins

Actually, no yeah it's because you don't have post processing lol

Really sticks out like a sore thumb without it

But still, I'll look into it

[harsh moat]

im so sad

[heady gulch]

Looking into it more and seeing what would change, I probably will just go with what I said and remove their emission color. Realistically it changes very little and while it helped the Cosmos Bracken back then, it doesn't really do much for the normal skins

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-monke-cursed-cursed-monke-swinging-gif-18117024

[heady gulch]

Hey everyone, just pushed out an update for ExtraEnemyVariety (v1.1.0) that adds 11 new skins. Some returning, some suggested, and some made simply for fun.

• Toy Model (Old Bird)
• Vandalized Relic (Old Bird)
• Cosmocos Blighted (Bracken)
• Plastic Solder (Nutcracker)
• Impending Doom (Jester)
• Summer Break (Butler)
• Poison Dart (Spore Lizard)
• Dummy Head (Coilhead)
• Giant Enemy ()
• Gummy Levi (Earth Leviathan)
• Tremor Menace (Earth Leviathan)

I've also released a hotfix for ColorfulEnemyVariety (v1.0.1) that touches up on all the Bracken skins, mainly removing the emission color from their materials which didn't really do anything beneficial for them.

I mean it this time when we say we are taking a break from making skins for now 🙏 We've had a lot of these in the backburner so we wanted to clear that up

(Imgur Album updated with the new skins too)

[storm jungle]

This image is so fun. I love it.

[shut sable]

the vandalized old bird is really good

[spiral rain]

I love that so much

[shut sable]

Giant Enemy
aaaaaaah

[harsh moat]

of course soon after i finished the updated skin chance config for my mod pack that took an hour+

thats really awesome

ok but this is a really good update fr

i love basically everything

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-handsome-men-jerma985-jerma-twitch-gif-14556994246222571381

[vale swift]

Anyways I despised making the dummy head skin

It was so annoying

We tried like 10 times to center the damn logo warning symbol thing

The coilhead texture is such a mess

And I hate that I plan on doing more skins for him

https://tenor.com/view/suffering-gif-13429271044533447139

But it was worth it in the end

It came out great

[harsh moat]

heres the two new bonus skins for leviathans

i have no idea what the second one is a reference to because im an uncultured piece of shit

(maybe)

dummy head is listed as weeping coil in the skin config

[steel raft]

The new bonus skins are awesome!!! I love the plastic soldier one

[versed ferry]

THE GIANT ENEMY SPIDER

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/luma-dream-machine-ai-jerma985-talking-speech-bubble-gif-12970301676663053512

[fair raptor]

Omg pride worm

[fair raptor]

Graboid from Tremors I believe

[fair raptor]

Why’s Bambi down there lmfaoo

https://tenor.com/view/dave-and-bambi-bambi-good-morning-morning-friday-night-funkin-gif-2563552093557908518

[heady gulch]

Not Bambi lol

But I can see the resemblance

[heady gulch]

Correct

[fair raptor]

Whom is he?

[fair raptor]

Yay my suggestion made it in!!

[heady gulch]

Someone you wouldn’t know, it’s more of a small inside joke than anything

[vale swift]

ye

[heady gulch]

We put a lot of referential stuff around (especially on the back)

[fair raptor]

Graboids are my favorite creatures so I’m still happy ❤️

https://tenor.com/view/rise-up-rise-from-the-ground-worm-monster-tremors-gif-16627660

[vale swift]

thought it would be a fun thing to reference so i made it while extract was fighting with the toy nutcracker

[keen sparrow]

nice love this mod already

[heady gulch]

Small hotfix push to Colorful (v1.0.2) and Extra (v1.1.1) removing some leftover stuff and naming/material mistakes I didn't catch

Also @vale swift literally made another variation for the Vandalized Relic Old Bird while I was asleep, so I sneaked that into Extra as well (Album updated as always)

[shut sable]

i like this one

[fair raptor]

Dead Seater!!

I think

[heady gulch]

[fair raptor]

Yaaay

[vale swift]

the vandalized relic is just a lot of fun to work on

[eager cypress]

just saw the new update-

is the old bird disabled compatible with skins now?

as I just figured it out

[heady gulch]

Wdym old bird disabled?

[eager cypress]

oh when it's off sorry

[heady gulch]

OH, yeah you can see skins on inactive old bird now

[eager cypress]

sweet-

Espically cause I like DistinctBlaze's skins

Which now with generic moons fit well

[heady gulch]

Distinct is me :)

[eager cypress]

OH SHIT FR

[heady gulch]

Yeah haha

My discord username

[eager cypress]

Your mods greatly fit LC in terms of vibe-

Especially seeing the new unique skins, the vandalized old birds and crash dummy coil head fit embrion super well

[heady gulch]

Me and my friends have been working on the mods so much we need to actually organize another Lethal night lol

We really want to see how the skins turn out on certain moons

[eager cypress]

One thing is that the ice moon from generic moons, icebound-

As tulup snakes spawn there for some reason0-

[harsh moat]

you weirdly made a lot work for modded

[eager cypress]

so with your mod that they stick out like a sore thumb

without

words

LAmo

[heady gulch]

Sometimes when we think of a color to give to an enemy or a bonus skin to make we think of certain moons

Like the Arctic Dog on Dine/Rend, Red Spider on Infernis, etc

[harsh moat]

well this may be a problem
in the config you cant see which skin is which

[heady gulch]

Uhhhhhhhh

[harsh moat]

yeah idk how youd fix this lol

[heady gulch]

Well I could maybe change the icons but as for the names on the right…

Don’t think it really matter since they’re both basically the same thing just different art

[harsh moat]

some people might want to see B more than A on specific moons

(this would be rare though in fairness as lethal company players do not touch mod configs :trollface:)

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lol-omg-lol-laugh-gif-12956385894842429484

It’s not a big issue so I’ll worry about it later

Everything should be fine otherwise and I’ve wanted to take a break from working on the mods as to not cause massive burnout

[eager cypress]

That's completely fair and justified.

[heady gulch]

(Though I think Disco’s still running off the high of making skins )

He really liked making the Vandalized Birds

[vale swift]

im slowing down but ill finish the 2 im working on and then actually take a break

[harsh moat]

randomly got this idea for a bonus skin
one of these, both from official images used for ESK on the thunderstore page

[marsh fjord]

hey i have a question

is it possible to have skins spawn based off of tags

so if a moon is tagged as tundra, the exterior enemies are white

[versed ferry]

DEAD SEATER YEAH

[heady gulch]

Pretty sure EnemySkinRegistry doesn't have an option for that. You could maybe suggest to Antler over in their thread

[marsh fjord]

i see

ill ask later

ty

[vale swift]

zeekerss' previous games my beloved...

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-staring-cat-stare-stop-staring-at-me-please-gif-9315292369693569596

[marsh fjord]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853836330575986739/1258085862143557642/peeperfocus1.gif

i have a question

do you add other skins people make

[heady gulch]

Well, every skin so far in both mods are made by Me, Disco Toad, & Bunnie

It's a trio project

More specifically, Disco Toad & Bunnie make the more detailed skins that usually end up in ExtraEnemyVariety while I made basically all the recolors in Colorful aside from little tweaks and suggestions when I need help from them

[hushed ermine]

Hello, @heady gulch, we have a dedicated support channel and forum here: #help-and-troubleshooting #1185732310700654732
Anyone responding is a volunteer so be patient.

[heady gulch]

We do sometimes make skins based off random suggested ideas that we like in this thread like the Plastic Nutcracker, Dummy Coilhead, Tremor Leviathan, etc.

[abstract forge]

I thought of a cool Bracken idea, maybe a Radioactive/Toxic one for Fission and Harloth?

Pretty sure Brackens spawn on both of those moons

[keen sparrow]

À jungle bracken for eve

[steel raft]

I think a circus themed nutcracker for Bozoros would be very cool!! Especially since like a billion nutcrackers spawn on eclipsed Bozoros lol

[abstract forge]

Nymph for Eve

[young valley]

OH MY GOD I LOVE THIS GUY

[marsh fjord]

can my boy jeremy be let in...

[heady gulch]

Jeremy from Collateral?

[vale swift]

i love Jeremy Collateral

[abstract forge]

Now if only we could have a mod that adds only the Barber reskins, I don't really wanna add Colorful just for those due to the amount of space and ram usage it will add XD

[fair raptor]

Jeremy is just a regular hoarding bug lol

[abstract forge]

90mb mod ☠️

I love ExtraEnemyVariety though, cus Cosmocos Bracken

❤️

[fair raptor]

Wouldn't that fit better for the jester because Fission-C explains the jester's existence

[abstract forge]

I could see it working for both lol

[fair raptor]

True

[heady gulch]

That's completely fair. I've thought about fragmenting the mod in the past for each enemy when we first started but ehhhhh idk

It'd be managing 17 mods with the amount of enemies in Lethal

[heady gulch]

Jeremy actually has a different coloration

[vale swift]

hes orange

[fair raptor]

Never noticed

Also that's like a slightly lighter version of the copper hoarding bug skin

All you'd need to do is change the eyes back to red

[fair raptor]

Also just realized the long lamp from The Upturned is there

[heady gulch]

Speaking of Fission & Jesters

Disco may be cooking

ˢᵒ ᵐᵘᶜʰ ᶠᵒʳ ᵗᵃᵏᶦⁿᵍ ᵃ ᵇʳᵉᵃᵏ

[abstract forge]

@wind berry Aaron our beloved c;

[fair raptor]

Pop goes the mutated weasel

[abstract forge]

Make sure it's set as default for Fission and Harloth

c;

[heady gulch]

I probably should, I've just been setting all the extra enemies to 10-25% in general to let the players choose

[fair raptor]

Will there be an ice moon skin for the jester and forest moon skin for the barber?

Those are the only two entities rlly lacking

Also thumper is kind of lacking a wasteland moon skin too but red does fine

[heady gulch]

I don't really know if I want to add any more recolors to Colorful. It's becoming really big at this point

[fair raptor]

Rip
If that's the case, I'll see if I can do it myself then

There should at least be base colors to match the vanilla moons personally

[heady gulch]

That's kinda what I was going for specifically with most of the outside enemies

and somewhat to a degree with inside but not much

[fair raptor]

Maybe for the last two skins they could've been adaptations to the factory/Manor

Since LethalEscape and StarlancerEnemyEscape exists

[fair raptor]

Imagine an It Steals-like thumper charging towards you

[heady gulch]

I'd have to see what i'd do. Right now the focus has been Extra and even then we're taking a break on that (atleast, I am )

Maybe if I did something like keep Colorful up and make seperate mod versions for each of the enemies I'd be more open to adding more recolors

[shut sable]

neat

[fair raptor]

👍

[heady gulch]

At the very least whenever I get to it as I said before, i'll look into reducing the size of Colorful so it's not as taxing on space and ram

[fair raptor]

Wouldn't that be a SkinKit/Registry issue

Why would Colorful cause that

[heady gulch]

Well, because for every skin there's a whole texture of the enemy and the accompanying material

I have the textures at the very maximum quality which from what i've been told before I could reduce their size and compression quality without much loss since Lethal already does crunching on textures

[keen sparrow]

what is collateral ?

[heady gulch]

one of the moons from Generic Moons v5

[abstract forge]

One of Generic's Moons

[fair raptor]

Custom moon by Generic

Jinx

Kind of

shrimpObserve

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[keen sparrow]

okay thanks i'gotta look into it

[tired citrus]

That's because you didn't saw the assetbundles 💀

[heady gulch]

Just out of curiosity after discussing with friends, how would everyone feel if I were to eventually go forward with the idea of splitting all the colorful skins into their own mods for each enemy in the future as an option for people who don't want all 90 skins? Like for example, ColorfulHoardBugs, ColorfulThumpers, etc.

(The main mod would still exist as an option and it wouldn't apply to ExtraEnemyVariety. Also I'd still make efforts in reducing mod asset bundle size)

[summer nacelle]

Not bad

[harsh moat]

this is pointless because you can just disable them in ESR's config

[heady gulch]

I bring it up because regardless of if you disable the skins or not, it's still quite a big mod. I've had it pointed out a few times both here and outside of here

[fair raptor]

It'd be annoying to install all of them

[heady gulch]

Which is why I proposed still keeping the original mod up if you just want all the skins

and don't really care about ram usage or any of that stuff

Mind you, none of this would happen any time soon. This would be for the future, like months from now probably

Basically think of it how like Tolian and Wesley for example both have seperate versions of their moons as mods as well as just 1 mod containing all their moons

[harsh moat]

does this really take up that much ram

compared to actual full on moons

[heady gulch]

There was this person a while back who showed this

And mind you this was before the full release of colorful

[harsh moat]

well

ok then

[heady gulch]

I assume it's only become more because i think the last version of ColorfulWIP was... around 70+ skins

1.0.0 is 90

~90 enemy textures, 90 materials

In the end I could be overthinking it because I haven't even gotten to making the attempt to reduce the size and maybe once I do it won't be so bad anymore. But I just wamted to throw the idea in to the ring to see what people would think

[marsh fjord]

Yes…

My boy..

I just want to have the ability to have a swarm of Jeremy’s

That sounds delightful

[heady gulch]

Well, if you want, if you send me the texture you use for Jeremy I could probably sneak him into ExtraEnemyVariety if that’s what you want. Would take a couple of minutes

[marsh fjord]

ill have to go look for it

my unity is stupid unorganized

[pale rose]

gummy worm earth leviathan!!!

now we need a like gummy shark thumper

also i assume the nutcracker skin mentioned was the like green plastic army man skin i suggested yaay

[heady gulch]

[pale rose]

yippee!!

[heady gulch]

Hey again everyone, I know we said we were taking a break, but Disco couldn't help himself.

Just pushed v1.2.0 of ExtraEnemyVariety to the Thunderstore

• Renamed "Vandalized Relic" skins to "Graffiti Relic"

• Gave "Graffiti Relic" skins more distinct icons

• Added 1 new final variation for Graffiti Relic (Old Bird)

• Added Fission Property (Jester)

• Added Arts & Coils (Coilhead)

I also added Jeremy the Hoarder Bug from @marsh fjord's Collateral Moon as a skin! Texture provided by them.

Imgur album updated as always

[sour jackal]

Truly a Jeremy moment

[fallen finch]

magnificent
now i can create a Jeremy utopia on Collateral

[eager cypress]

PEAK

glad to see more skins

[harsh moat]

jeremy

[heady gulch]

Disco said he'll definitely take a break from making skins now, which means we're all finally having a break

...definitely

[eager cypress]

epic

[harsh moat]

let em cook

[heady gulch]

he's been cooking for 74 years

ᵃⁿᵈ ⁿᵒʷ ʰᵉ'ˢ ᵇᵉᶦⁿᵍ ᶦⁿˢᵖᶦʳᵉᵈ ᵗᵒ ᵐᵃʸᵇᵉ ᵐᵃᵏᵉ ˢᵘᶦᵗ ᶜᵒˡᵒʳˢ >_>

[harsh moat]

ok if he uses moresuits' API its over

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/namztaes-sad-window-rain-gif-23232396

Who's gonna tell 'em

[harsh moat]

i think the API is fine if you know how to use it and dont cause clutter

but 98% of people dont

[solar cobalt]

brain needs to spitball concepts, but too many bases are being covered X(

[harsh moat]

my bigger problem is
and if im wrong ill be corrected probably, this is just what i remember hearing from a friend

because of how the suit IDs work with the API

the more you add suits, the more likely your save files corrupt

and people are just not going to realize that

[solar cobalt]

i mean

save files are almost never saved after a firing or end of session

[heady gulch]

For now the suits we make are personal use only anyways, probably won't be published. We'll maybe toy around with an idea of a suit mod but not sure

[harsh moat]

i like the monster skins a lot more

[heady gulch]

We kinda just want color suits like that one suit mod has but with a little more saturation and variety lol

I think it's AdditionalSuits?

[harsh moat]

im not a big fan of that one

its just too generic of an addition for me

[heady gulch]

That's fair. My group just likes simplicity lol

and putting the worst cosmetics known to man

[vale swift]

leave the fish hat alone

[heady gulch]

never

[harsh moat]

@heady gulch you accidentally deleted weeping coil by having arts and coils take its slot

or just deleted it maybe

[abstract forge]

Probably unintentional

Hope it gets fixed, I'm not really too big a fan of the art skins and tend to disable them XD

But that's me

c;

[heady gulch]

Oops, yeah I accidentally replaced weeping with arts. Will push a hotfix in a couple of minutes

Should be good now

[keen sparrow]

Pink cute hoarding bug?

[eager cypress]

wait does jermey get an automatic skin or I have to set it the skin on that planet?

[heady gulch]

I tried making Jeremy, Cosmocos Blighted and Fission Property guranteed on their respective moons but didn't really test to see if I did it properely. Worst case scenario you just have to set it yourself

[eager cypress]

ah okay I might do that then

[summer nacelle]

Fission property jester skin is nice

[versed ferry]

taffy yellow barber looks yummy

how did you draw the grafitti on the vandalized old birds?

[harsh moat]

i think disco either took the spray paint splotch texture and drew with it or just used gradient to recreate the same splotches

[heady gulch]

Disco just drew them over the texture whilst imitating graffiti paint drip on occasion

Limited to the colors only spray cans can have

[vale swift]

we do a lil doodling

yeah i restricted myself to only using the 4 spraypaint colors ingame

[spiral rain]

I know stan knows how to make suits without the use of the API

(buttery stancakes I mean)

[versed ferry]

what are the 4 spraypaint colors?

[spiral rain]

red, yellow, green and purple I think

[heady gulch]

So... currently testing the idea of cutting the resolution of all the textures in half in ColorfulEnemyVariety.

This brings down the size of the mod from ~91 Mb to about ~52 Mb. I'm trying to compare the skin textures to the vanilla textures in terms of quality and the differences seem very slight. I may toy around with keeping some cut in half and some normal depending on how major the difference is

I know this may be a pretty big change regardless so I'm not sure if i'll even go through with cutting the resolution in half, but it is an option for reducing the mod size.

Disco's also looking into touching up some of the oldest skins or some we just don't feel satisfied with. Namely the Ghost Girl, Nutcracker, Butler, and Barber (maybe just giving barber mostly new colors in general) to name a few

Nothing's fully set in stone but thought it would be nice to share. May show some of that progress as we do them as well to get some input

[spiral rain]

that sounds like the best outcome yeah

[heady gulch]

Since they're some of the easiest, this is what we have of the remade ghost girl skins as well as 3 of the new barber recolors replacing old ones (Bouncy Green, Stomping Red, Sky Blue)

[spiral rain]

SKY BLUEEEE

THAT ONE'S SO GOATED

[shut sable]

tbh i cant tell a difference with any of the ghost girls except the green one

i like the Red Delicious barber though

[heady gulch]

Except for the green girl it was mainly just fixing the color of the little flower patterns on the dress

On the old blue and yellow especially you could slightly see the bits of red all over the pattern still

But it is slight

[shut sable]

i also suddenly feel the need to spill the beans...

https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Snips

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-uncletopia-gif-26323416

That is actually genuinely clever

[vale swift]

that is clever

and fuck i rewatched the show not too long ago how did i not get it

[spiral rain]

oooooh that's really really clever

[vale swift]

i mostly cleaned up their textures

but overall the only "different" ones are purple, yellow, and green

[heady gulch]

I couldn’t really see the difference on purple and yellow aside from the pattern as I mentioned

Green is obv cuz that one was overly saturated back then

[vale swift]

its like

such a slight difference it doesnt even matter

the new one is on the left and the old one is on the right btw

overall my goal with fixing the ghost girls was cleaning their textures

[heady gulch]

But no matter what we do we can never change her giant forehead

[vale swift]

i hate her stupid forehead

[tacit lance]

Oh i got something special coming soon 😈

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-ooh-really-turnaround-gif-6188191

[vale swift]

youre gonna give hachiman a huge forehead smh

[tacit lance]

[spiral rain]

can you make a special skin that has a a tic tac toe on her forehead

then the dress is white and has blue Xs and red Os all over it

[heady gulch]

That would be really funny were it not for the fact that her forehead is literally made of several different parts

Not a joke lmao

[spiral rain]

WHAT....

[vale swift]

if her texture wasnt so awful id do that right now

[spiral rain]

is it like a jester situation

[spiral rain]

does skin registry not let you re-do a uv for an entity?

[vale swift]

also the jester wasnt that bad i was able to figure out his texture fairly easily

[heady gulch]

No, we’d need to do that ourselves

[spiral rain]

oh nah I just thought you meant like, the model

[spiral rain]

so what you're saying is if I did it for you you'd do it?

[spiral rain]

also I'm ngl this might be the worst textures I've seen for this game so far

[heady gulch]

I mean if you’re REALLY willing to, I’d be forever grateful

Actually I think the whole community would be

Never having to use these nightmarish textures again lol

[vale swift]

some of them arent too bad

but then you see the nightmare that is the snareflea

[spiral rain]

I need to learn to do UVs myself anyway

[spiral rain]

I work with textures yet I know jack shit about anything on the technical side

[vale swift]

i hate this thing

[spiral rain]

snare flea?

[vale swift]

yup

[spiral rain]

why are the islands SO CLOSE TOGETHERRR GAHHHGHG

[heady gulch]

The texture was actually why Ducky Iso is still not out even when we teased it way back when

Disco tried but it genuinely is a nightmare

[vale swift]

it sucks cuz what i made looked really good its just

[spiral rain]

Oh ngl I thought it was out, I just thought I got unlucky

[vale swift]

such a nightmare

[spiral rain]

I don't doubt that

would it mean you guys have to re-do your previous work or can old UVs and new UVs be applied to the same model?

I assume the latter but I'm still curious

[heady gulch]

We’re not that knowledgeable in terms of that stuff but so long as the new UV applies to the model correctly

Using the old one should be no problem

I would assume

[spiral rain]

yeah I assume both can coexist

I've been sitting on a texture replacement for Seichi for a month cuz I didn't wanna work with the entity's UV :3

A buddy threw around the idea of trying to make a new UV out of the model, so

I might as well kill two birds with one stone

what are the most problematic ones?

I have all the enemy models without textures already, so I don't need those

[heady gulch]

Jester, Girl, Thumper, and Snare Flea are what come to mind rn

There are some that are messy but we generally already know what every piece is surprisingly (Old Bird and Tulip Snake for example)

Thumper’s just… oof

With the four jaws he has

[fair raptor]

What the fuck is this UV map

[vale swift]

pain...

[heady gulch]

Don’t look at the Jester’s

All those bits and pieces? A mixture of his teeth, arm, legs, and skull

We learned this the hard way making Fission Property

[vale swift]

i was able to figure out most of em

and made a sort of template for us to use when it comes to jester skins\

[spiral rain]

it's def easier when the islands are actually islands and not fucking continents THAT'S for sure

the snare flea one is so painful cuz everything's just smushed together

[spiral rain]

I'll def look into girl and flea first

those look all sorts of fucked up

[spiral rain]

that's always useful

[abstract forge]

More Barber variants make me happy

Those look so good, the ghost girl changes are so subtle lol

[heady gulch]

Not much to report on, but here's 2 of the remade nutcracker skins. Biggest changes you'll see across all the remade nutcrackers are the colors of the "eye" creature for the most part. And also Black & Blue's shoulders & hat bands specifically are consistent with the rest of the skins

Originally Disco messed with the idea of colored shoulders, cheeks, and hats for the remade nutcrackers (like how the current Blue and Black have those) but ultimately we decided those three parts should stay consistent across all the Nutcrackers.

[abstract forge]

Looking forward to the update c;

[shut sable]

i think the blue nutcracker looks a little weird

the coat color is way nicer but the pants and the eyeball "skin" looks too bright

i feel like it'd look better if both were darker

would also make the iris have more contrast

the old blue nutcracker always did feel a bit bleh though

so im glad it's been touched up

[heady gulch]

Disco's looking into the eye creatures some more. He's already doing it for Yellow, Purple, & Green because the current iteration for those are definitely a bit much

[harsh moat]

i think the eye shouldnt be a different color personally

but thats just me

[spiral rain]

either that or have em be different shades as opposed to completely different colors

[heady gulch]

Blue's boots are gonna be darkened back to normal like the others the more I look at it

[heady gulch]

Tried that idea but Disco insists on the eyes being somewhat matching colors to the Nutcrackers instead of just different shades

I personally feel mixed and like both ideas but just went with the colors in the end

Though I would like to hear other people's thoughts, these are (basically) the finalized remade nutcrackers

[harsh moat]

personally i dont think it makes sense for the eyes to be different colors corresponding to the outfit the nutcracker has because the eye is like, some other being thats using the nutcracker to move

that doesnt really mean it should be the same color as whatever nutcracker body its using

but thats just my viewpoint again

the counterarguement is nutcrackers arent really biological anyways

[heady gulch]

I could understand that viewpoint, yeah

I think there's supporting points for both ways

[harsh moat]

impending doom doesnt have pitched down winding music

nvm it just doesnt play the audio the first time it winds question mark

[vale swift]

extract and i have been wondering how to mess with the barber for a minute now so we were wondering how would we go about removing the alpha channel as well as reapplying it?

[shut sable]

what is the image editor you are using

im using paint.net and just installed 2 plugins

one to convert an image with alpha to a grayscale alpha map

and the other to apply a grayscale alpha map to an image

so for instance this

becomes this and this

then you can do whatever and just reapply the alpha map

[harsh moat]

this barber lore

(this is an inside joke between me and her)

[versed ferry]

i wonder what inverted barber looks like ingame

[vale swift]

i use firealpaca, extract uses photoshop, and dreamybxnnie uses clip studio paint

[shut sable]

i see

i would assume photoshop, if nothing else, would support doing this

im unfamiliar with the other tools

[vale swift]

yeah firealpaca and clip studio are moreso art programs than anything

[shut sable]

although you can probably just designate one person to generate the barber texture without alpha

share it between everyone

and then consolidate the edits and apply the alpha map to each in one program

[vale swift]

yeah thats probably what we'd do

thank you for the help

[shut sable]

sure

[raw cave]

ive asked before, but any plan to lower this size? @heady gulch

[heady gulch]

What exactly is that file? I'm not seeing any asset bundle file in my mod that's even remotely as big as that

Unless i'm misunderstanding

Because from what I understand, the mod is only ~90MB

[heady gulch]

Where do you find this file?

[harsh moat]

idk if it matters but this one is not capitalized

so maybe its not the original file

[raw cave]

through #1220488542585753631

C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Lethal Company\Cache

[harsh moat]

why would that generate separate files from the package and add additional MBs

especially when the MBs arent even the same amount

[heady gulch]

Well, truth be told, I'm not sure there's much I can do to lower the asset bundle size. I mentioned a few days ago that I am testing to reduce the size of the mod a good amount by lowering texture quality on the skins slightly with as little difference as possible. I'm not sure how much it would reduce that AssetBundle file, it probably will still be a bloated size anyways

[raw cave]

@little wasp ?

[little wasp]

because compressed bundles that mods are packed will be loaded to the memory to be unpacked

with decompression and storing to the disk you're removing that part leading to less memory usage

and faster load time

[little wasp]

you can bundle your pack and then check editor log

it will print assets that takes more space of bundle

https://docs.unity3d.com/Manual/LogFiles.html

you can find the editor log file path here

[harsh moat]

im sorry diffoz, but i have 36 GB of storage open on my PC, i simply cannot sacrifice extra megabytes for loading into the game faster

is what id say if i was insane

...ok, insane enough

[little wasp]

it's okay then

but just some preferred to load faster

[harsh moat]

this was a joke

[little wasp]

and drop usage of ram

a o k🤣

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1155590226362761367/1253863181080723559/4x.gif

[heady gulch]

Gonna be honest here and say I'm not really that knowledgeable in Unity to understand this

To clarify, I don't do a lickety-split of code for this mod. I use AntlerShed's EnemySkinKit toolkit for the Unity Editor to make this mod. What i'm basically doing is just unity materials and textures

The best I can do is what I mentioned before about reducing texture sizes on each of the skins but other than that I'm not really sure there's much else I can do beyond that point.

[raw cave]

so like in this case, would this mod colorful enemy variety (having a high asset bundle size) = more ram usage?

[heady gulch]

Finally figured it out

Now we can do a lot more with the Barber

[vale swift]

thank you buttery

[abstract forge]

👀

[versed ferry]

are there variants for manticoils? if so, i demand a seagull manticoil skin

[heady gulch]

EnemySkinKit does not support Manticoils

[versed ferry]

WHAT

HOW CAN THIS BE

[versed ferry]

no hygrodere skins....

[tacit lance]

TestAccount666 has that ^^

[versed ferry]

more moon-specific enemy skins (like cosmocos blighted or fission property) would be cool

[heady gulch]

No promises about making skins for these moons (we have other things we want to do first) but we have snowballed ideas for moons like Gloom, Gratar, Seichi, and Sector-0 already

In any case we would definitely love to make more moon-specific enemy skins sometime :)

[versed ferry]

perhaps a seperate Moonful(?) Enemy Variety mod

[heady gulch]

🤔 Maybe, not sure. Would consider it depending on how many moon-specific enemy skins we'd make in the future

[harsh moat]

if you do one for seichi i will purposefully make that rarely appear on it in my mod pack

[vale swift]

we already did one inspired by seichi

somewhat

blooming tulip was inspired by seichi

[versed ferry]

hm, how do you usually make skins? i kind of want to make some skins for wesley's moons

[heady gulch]

We just take the prexisting materials/textures from the enemies and edit those to make the skins using EnemySkinKit

Most of the time it's just texture edits but depending on the enemy/skin we also change their material

[versed ferry]

how do you edit them? just drawing on them?

[heady gulch]

Yeah pretty much

You just have to know what parts of the texture are what

[versed ferry]

i'm sure that'll be easy, surely the textures are comprehensible and it's clear what corresponds to what :clueless:

[harsh moat]

this ghost girl lore

[heady gulch]

If you can grab the mesh of the enemy (assuming it's not in several pieces) you can check the skins as you're making them in the unity editor

That's how I've kept my sanity atleast

[versed ferry]

lod models probably aren't in several pieces

[heady gulch]

Some like the Jester and Eyeless Dog are multiple meshes

[harsh moat]

ok

[heady gulch]

That's totally what the color of the text is supposed to be

(ᴵ ᶠᵒʳᵍᵒᵗ ᵗᵒ ᵖᵘᵗ ᵗʰᵉ ᵐᵃᵗᵉʳᶦᵃˡ ᶠᵒʳ ᵗʰᵉ ᵗᵉˣᵗ)

Will fix that on the next update

[versed ferry]

source error text

[sour jackal]

@tacit lance I want this

Needs more spider

[tacit lance]

Yaaas i love it

[spiral rain]

I come here with a proposition

doshi the giant barber skin

[harsh moat]

i mean
taffy yellow is a thing

[spiral rain]

ok but imagine that

but with doshi's face

[young valley]

why does it have a willy 😭

[spiral rain]

it's a belly button

[heady gulch]

Hey everyone, just pushed an update to ColorfulEnemyVariety (v1.1.0) that mainly focuses upon touching up a bunch of the already existing skins and reducing mod size very slightly.

• Scrapped most of Barber's skins (except Taffy Yellow) and added 5 new ones as replacements (Stompy Red, Bouncy Green, Floaty Blue, Hoppy Orange, Sneaky Purple)

• Renamed Barber's "Taffy Yellow" skin to "Skippy Yellow"

• Remade the Nutcracker & Ghost Girl's skins

• Reduced texture resolution on some of the more simple enemy skins ( ) in a effort of testing the waters and reducing mod size. The resolution difference should be hardly noticeable

Originally we were gonna do a lot more touch ups on some more skins across the enemy roster, but we decided we'll save that for another time after v60 releases.

Imgur album updated as always (and yes Barber has 6 instead of 5 skins now. no this does not mean everyone's getting a 6th skin now)

[abstract forge]

Will ExtraEnemyVariety also be getting the texture size reduction?

:3

[heady gulch]

Probably not (for now) since Extra is only 1/3 the size of Colorful and some of the skins with finer detail would be more noticeable with their texture resolution decreased

Should also note that I've only shaved off ~10MB from Colorful since I only did the texture cut for a handful of enemies. I likely could've done a lot more but I just want to play it safe for the time being rather than just cut everyone's texture in half and not checking to see if the change is noticeable or not on all of them

[harsh moat]

oh boy
i love doing skin config updates :)

[heady gulch]

Atleast it's just the Barber lol

Nutcracker and Ghost Girl are just texture changes and thats it

[spiral rain]

THIS SCREENSHOT IS SO GOOD

album cover material

[fair raptor]

GOTH BUTLER IS GONE NOO

Cool colors though

...and warm

[harsh moat]

what

[fair raptor]

There was a black butler skin

Now it's GONE

;-;

[harsh moat]

thats the vanilla one...?

[fair raptor]

?

Vanilla is blue

[harsh moat]

or do you mean the black skinned

what

no

vanilla has a black coat

[fair raptor]

Yeah, the vanilla color for the barber is blue
There was a black skin for the barber in the previous update

Sorry, barber

OH MY GOD

[harsh moat]

god damn it

[fair raptor]

I'VE BEEN SAYING BUTLER

[harsh moat]

i knew it

[fair raptor]

I'm such an idiot

I'm sorry lol

Yeah there was a goth barber skin that I liked

It went well with the black nutcracker

[harsh moat]

also vanilla is actually more purple

[fair raptor]

And vanilla butler

[fair raptor]

I see it as blue

[harsh moat]

its indigo i think

which is a mix of blue and purple

but for my eyes its mostly purple

[fair raptor]

Close noeugh!

[ripe otter]

💥

[heady gulch]

Fuck it, nobody can stop me

Pushed a tiny update and added the black barber back

[fair raptor]

YAYYY

[harsh moat]

we need a troll face emote here

[spiral rain]

[ripe otter]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaWJjZTYzczM4a29vN2N0YXNveDVmc20wMWMzcjU1anV2cG9wOWpreiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/kXlltVOqV4z2es6qkk/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[shut sable]

on the note of the barber skins i think the all-white with cyan scissors was sort of cool

very befitting of the "clay surgeon"

i don't remember any of the others that were removed and i think all of the newer skins are a definite improvement over the previous selection

but i think it would fit in with the rest pretty okay

[solar cobalt]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/clocktower/images/7/70/Dearbobbyjy2.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20160326161903 Barber color scheme based on Bobby Barrows (the Scissorman) when?

green gloves, head section, and legs; blue everything else; keep scissors the same

[fair raptor]

It'd be better to make the scissors brown for a better match

[vale swift]

bit of a spoiler but we're working on this on and off at the moment

[harsh moat]

bobby barrows is like this one guy i fought in this one mmorpg game

it would also be fitting if everyone cut by bobby barrows is put under a curse

[versed ferry]

WHY DID YOU MAKE IT NOT TAFFY YELLOW now it doesn't sound tasty anymore

[peak osprey]

Curious could you do this with masked ?

[vale swift]

the masked arent supported by enemyskinkit

[heady gulch]

Even then, I don’t think there’s much we would do for masked, if it all. The only real variety they have is in their suits or other mods that add their own mask scrap/enemy

[storm bolt]

tragady masked?

[heady gulch]

There’s already Tragedy?

[spiral rain]

that's not a bad idea actually

[spiral rain]

they mean for when you turn

i thinke

[storm bolt]

in vanilla the masked only has the comedy when you turn

[heady gulch]

Well, assuming EnemySkinKit even adds support, that would require actually changing the mesh which we’re not familiar with

IG there would be nothing stopping me from just ripping the tragedy mask mesh from the game

Though I feel it would probably just be better if another mod just added tragedy masked support instead. Would still be weird if someone put on a comedy and turned into a tragedy masked, or someone put on a tragedy and turned into a comedy

[shut sable]

butteryfixes supports tragedy masks

although it might be something i could split into a separate, smaller release

[young valley]

dude I've been mixing up barber and butler all the time too lmao

[young valley]

where do y'all keep getting theese characters from 😭

[harsh moat]

bobby barrows doesnt need a source

you just need to know bobby barrows exists

[solar cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/clock-tower-ps1-snes-gif-23936313

[fair raptor]

Shoulda called the oil yellow skin of the eyeless dog oiled up yellow lol

[sour jackal]

If a moon has multiple tags from EnemySkinRegistry's tag list, which is used?

[abstract forge]

Idek how to setup tags in EnemySkinRegistry

I could never find a tag option

Ah found it

It's just under add moon at the far bottom

XD

[ripe otter]

😭

[harsh moat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1231732568584360038/1243556487058559027/twitter_ShootaShootaCat_20240331-231304_1774575671659954442_gif.gif

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-orange-cat-orange-cats-cat-weird-gif-17010424884748616697

[safe marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-sour-cat-cat-meme-cat-gif-4305398913986271634

You realize your referring to a dog right.

[fair raptor]

:]

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/butter-dog-gif-19098317

[limpid rune]

Where can i see every varient

[heady gulch]

Check pins on this thread

[limpid rune]

Thank you

[limpid rune]

Also i have skin suggestion for the jester: boxy boo from project playtime themed one
One for the coilhead: scp-173 based one
Masked: different mask colors and one based off scp-035
ghost girl: funeral dress

And a varient for hoarding bug based on mithzans shorts

[ripe otter]

Banned

[lean orchid]

🤓 erm ackshually the Eyeless Dogs are lions

[spiral rain]

gross

[grave bramble]

Suggestion for barber: a skin based on Sukuna. Something like a tan body with red markings and white or clear scissors

Would go crazy with the gojo player model

[limpid rune]

Guys is this a w idea

[solar cobalt]

few recolors i have in mind

• Marigold (LC Gold Scrap) (Bracken)
• Goldkeeper (LC Gold Scrap) (Forest Keeper)
• Gold Spring (LC Gold Scrap) (Coil-Head)
• Golden Guardian (LC Gold Scrap) (Nutcracker)
• Cuddly Gold (LC Gold Scrap) (Hoarding Bug)
• G.O.L.D. (LC Gold Scrap) (Old Bird (recolor of Toy Model specifically))
• Default Blender cube (Jester)
• Spyro purple (Spore Lizard) (yellow-orange rattle)

[heady gulch]

Like the idea, though not quite sure how we'd do it. Working on the Scissor Man skin we've realized that barber's UV is a complete nightmare (who would've guessed) and things like markings stretch and contort all over its body

[fair raptor]

Jester snow moon and butler forest & desert moon skins when...

I am begging on my knees (No I am not, I am sitting down on my chair)

[fair raptor]

What Zeekerss' UV does to a mf

[heady gulch]

I like the Boxy Boo idea the most of all of them. Not sure how we'd do 173 or funeral dress but I'll keep it in mind maybe. Masked are something we can't do as I've said

[heady gulch]

Lots of good ideas here, gold is something I'd be interested to toy around with using the materials. Also, cube

[heady gulch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1018217891193172150/1265307686464127038/moggingmimic.gif

(idk i'll think about it lol)

[heady gulch]

Seeing as how v60 has been pushed by a week(?) maybe we'll squeeze one more teeny update for Colorful before it releases but I'll be out on vacation from friday to monday so we'll see, really just depends on when Zeekers releases the update

[solar cobalt]

check with @/Simon Tendo if you wanna replicate their golden hues n shaders

[heady gulch]

I just pushed out a quick patch for Colorful (v1.1.2) and Extra (v1.2.2) that MASSIVELY reduces the file sizes for both mods. I realized i'm kinda a little dumb and could've just been using crunch compression

Colorful went from ~90MB -> ~40MB and Extra went from ~30MB -> ~18MB (~58MB Total)

There should be barely any loss in quality with any of the skins. I've even reverted the resolution size reduction I did to several skins in the last Colorful update

Oh, also I renamed some of Barber's skins and readded Barber's "Isolated White" skin to colorful

[heady gulch]

This is not the update I was referring to in this message btw, I made this patch literally right now in about a hour lol

[solar cobalt]

huge update

[abstract forge]

So glad to finally see you get these optimized

https://tenor.com/view/pog-gif-18640695

Even faster load shows the difference, holy shit the old versions were so unoptimized

[tacit lance]

Daaamn thats crazy

[abstract forge]

Yeah faster load basically shows the ram usage that would have been used by the old versions

LOL

That difference is major

[heady gulch]

These are the new numbers i'm seeing in faster load

oh wait, that's in your photo too lol

but yeah, I had been avoiding crunch compression for the longest time because I simply didn't know what it did and thought it would just make everything look worse

But looking into it and judging skins with and without crunch compression there's practically little to no difference at all

[tacit lance]

What are your settings? I think it could be lowered further without loss of quality

[heady gulch]

All the textures are about less than a MB from what Unity is telling me (usually they were 1-5)

[tacit lance]

You defo can try 1024, maybe 512 but that could fry them. I think 1024 would be fine

[abstract forge]

Yeah I agree 1024 should be perfect

[tacit lance]

Anything below 512 is for sure gonna fry them

[abstract forge]

That's usually what mods set their texture resolutions to

either 512 or 1024

2048 is excessive

[heady gulch]

I'd need to revisit doing that and look at all the skins. Because I know on some enemies you can see the loss

Like the Old Bird's bolts and metal pattern

[abstract forge]

Yeah that would make sense

[tacit lance]

Most of my textures are 512 but i did have an issue on one of mine when it was set to that (i did end up lose some quality but it was my biggest texture so it had to be done ._. It was on 1024 for some patches but the og is 4k lol)

[heady gulch]

Most of Zeekers enemy textures appear to naturally be 2048

Except some like the Barber

[tacit lance]

actually now that i think i might have all my textures on 512 lol

[tacit lance]

Yeah i turned those to 512 too - no changes really

[abstract forge]

Yeah just make it match the resolutions he uses I suppose, guessing the Barber is lower like 1024 or 512

[tacit lance]

Its just blue

So it could be 256 and you wouldnt lose quality

[heady gulch]

Probably haha

Barber is 1024

[abstract forge]

The barber has a fade in and fade out effect though

Which might look bad with lower resolutions

lol

[heady gulch]

I mean it's mainly just

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-were-talking-about-this-gif-7626688

[tacit lance]

Great work on compression, tho i look forward to you testing lower sizes ^^

I defo think you have room still :3

[heady gulch]

I'm just glad I've finally managed to trim the mod into a much more manageable size after all this time When I return from vacation over the weekend I'll look into possibly reducing the size even further

[abstract forge]

Me too 😄

[marsh fjord]

personally i wouldnt

[shut sable]

hell yeah it's back

[sour jackal]

Desert Camo Nutcracker wen

[solar cobalt]

^^^

[heady gulch]

[sour jackal]

Eventually I'd like to see a blue spider based off of the Caribena versicolor tarantula
that'd be dope

[harsh moat]

add granny

[fair raptor]

Add granmama

[harsh moat]

no

granny

[fair raptor]

Yeah, granmama

[harsh moat]

no
granny

[fair raptor]

Granmama

[fair raptor]

Spot the old bird.

Thankfully the little shit didn't activate this round.

[ripe otter]

but bird good...

[fair raptor]

Dawg, if he activated, he would've brackened my ass

[ripe otter]

nooo

[heady gulch]

Before I go out on vacation for the weekend I thought it'd be nice to tease some WIP things for ExtraEnemyVariety

Also Barber annoyances blargh

[shut sable]

is that a leopard print nutcracker

[heady gulch]

It’s actually Desert Camo haha

It’s just the colors and pattern make it look very similar to leopard print especially from a distance

[young valley]

that sounds like a computery glitched thumper

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/killer-robot-spongebob-unrealistic-fear-humans-be-like-fiction-gif-21124922

[violet siren]

How an old bird walks!

[tired citrus]

life is unfair

[storm jungle]

Well that last bit's my fault.

[heady gulch]

Don’t worry the Ducky Isopod Snare Flea will come out in 2036 lmaooo

Really tho, the rest except Eyeless Dog, Kidnapper Fox, and Manticoil just have very messy texture UV’s that we haven’t wrapped our heads around yet

Manticoil isn’t in EnemySkinKit and Kidnapper Fox are…

Eyeless Dog is probably the one enemy we have the least ideas for in general for Extra

That’s still gold tho haha

[tired citrus]

didn't even know about the Ducky Isopod 👀 , it would be a cool extra skin

also a "real centipede-like" skin with a black back and orange legs would be cool

[tired citrus]

yeah, hopefully the Manticoil will join the crew someday 😔

[tired citrus]

how about the eyeless dog looking like a Zebra or a Jaguar

[vale swift]

thats not a bad idea

a leopard print dog would be pretty neat

[vale swift]

also yeah im scared to touch most of the other skins cuz like the barber has been a nightmare and the flea makes me want to jump into oncoming traffic

[steel raft]

I love how you guys are like "oh the barber's a horrible nightmare we hate texturing him" and then the barber has like the most skins besides maybe the old bird

[heady gulch]

Well I mean cuz look at him

He’s 2 colors, recoloring is very easy

But when you suddenly want to do more with him, like, say, a Scissor Man or Pepsi Man skin

https://tenor.com/view/garn47-gif-15595345723292514452

[steel raft]

You should give him a smiley face :)

[heady gulch]

Even that’s a nightmare :(

Another issue plaguing Barber (and even Coilhead) is we can’t just do finer details Willy Nilly cuz it may stretch and contort all ugly if it’s on a bad spot

Like the lower left half of Barber’s face there

[storm jungle]

It seems like most lethal company enemy models are hit with a decimate filter and have their UVs automatically atlassed.
A modder could rip the original model and do their best to give a mesh better UVs, but with the decimated geometry, even that would be pretty rough. Rather than having your seams run in nice, straight lines, you'd have jagged lines running from pole to pole.

Photoshop used to have a feature where you could directly paint on a 3d model and not have to worry about this stuff as much. Did adobe get rid of that? I guess they own substance painter now, so they probably did.
Blender also has (shitty) texture painting functionality.

[heady gulch]

That’s just the Zeekers Experience™️

Also yeah, pretty much they moved it to SP now from what I know. Maybe we’ll peek into Blender texture painting even if it’s shitty just to put random color blobs and find out which part is which

Would be a little faster than making a billion of these and constantly putting them in Unity

[storm jungle]

Yeah, blender can just sync the highlighting for you. Select a face on the model and it's selected in the uv map.

[solar cobalt]

heyo? 👀

[sour jackal]

Just make an entirely new uv map for the Barber

ezpz

[heady gulch]

Yes, I 100% know how to make an entirely new uv map

[spiral rain]

wait do you have the barber model

[heady gulch]

Not his scissors but his body yes

tbf the scissor parts are very identifiable

[spiral rain]

dm it to me if you can!

also any other problematic UVs

I wanna see if I can figure it out lmao

[heady gulch]

I’m currently away from home so I don’t have access to my PC, but when I return around Monday I can send it to you!

Or if you want to get the model yourself (or any model for that matter) you can use nomnoms LC patcher and find them, that’s what I used to grab everything

[heady gulch]

There’s a bunch I would consider “problematic” lol, but Snare Flea I probably still consider a particularly nightmarish one

Here’s what I dug up from when me and my friends were trying to make Ducky Iso work

https://tenor.com/view/garn47-car-garn-friend-cat-gif-18000602364342289956

[spiral rain]

oh yeah I remember this lmaoo

[limpid rune]

This gived me idea

TAILS SKIN FOR KIDNAPPER FOX

[sour jackal]

I love the Ducky Iso

[limpid rune]

does everyone need this in the lobby for it to work?

[storm jungle]

Nah. The supporting mod is client side.

[versed ferry]

https://tenor.com/view/weirdcat-funnycat-psychich-assault-gif-66649479801514757

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/orbarbs-blackpink-jennie-gif-22349517

[tacit lance]

[solar cobalt]

thus it's the only tulip critter variant i have set to spawn there

[young valley]

wait you can set specific skins to specific moons?

[solar cobalt]

yeh, but if you have over 100 moons to set up cough me cough, it's hell

[grave bramble]

Can confirm

setting every single one of the skins to only appear on specific moons for every entity has been an agonizing experience

[sour jackal]

Luckily tags have been a godsend for that

Now I only have to configure a few specific moons, the rest can be tag based

[sour jackal]

Gorgonzola inspired skins wen tho

[vale swift]

oh we made one

but we saw that you wanted to make your own skins for enemies so we decided to not release it so we wouldnt be stepping over any toes or anything

[sour jackal]

Wait huh? 👁️ I'd love to see what you cooked tbh

I'm totally fine with having options even if I make my own

I love the fact that you made something for Gorgonzola

Besides I am not exactly confident in my skin making abilities

[grave bramble]

wait, you can use tags to configure skins?

💀

[sour jackal]

Yup as of the recent updates to EnemySkinReg

[grave bramble]

I’ve been doing them all manually 💀

[storm jungle]

I still need to update the readme.
Ah… Eto… Bleh!

[abstract forge]

@heady gulch Do you think you guys might be willing to make a reskin for the Forest Giant that makes him fit more on Infernis?

Wesley thinks a scorched reskin would work, I was thinking a Magma or Lava reskin, my chat was thinking Charcoal or a Rock reskin

lol

[spiral rain]

rock skin would also fit aquatis

I think aquatis had some lore about rare stone golems or whatever

[limpid rune]

I wanna see tails the fox based reskin for kidnapper

[heady gulch]

Good news, I'm back from vacation

Bad news, there's a whack ahh leopard outside my ship

[heady gulch]

Discussed it with Disco a bit. We both liked the idea of a scorched forest giant and we'll see what we do

Rock Giant we also like and may toy a little with

[abstract forge]

Noice 😄

My chat said if you make a Rock Giant reskin you gotta name it The Rock btw

c;

[young valley]

how exactly does a rock giant burn...

[heady gulch]

Not like a rock giant for Infernis, just a rock giant in general

Scorched we feel makes more sense

Something like this

[young valley]

Aslong as it makes sense that it can burn? idk, I like my games to have a bit realism

[heady gulch]

They burn from Old Birds no?

[abstract forge]

They do

[young valley]

yeah but it wouldnt make sense for rock to burn yk?