Colorful Enemy Variety (& Extra Enemy Variety)

[vivid cape]

Jokes aside though I love the new skins!

[vale swift]

extract told me yesterday that he thought he looked like master chief so it was only a matter of time before someone said something

https://tenor.com/view/drinking-master-chief-thirsty-gif-16720374

[vivid cape]

It's beautiful and I love them. It doesn't help that my entire friend group is on a huge Halo fix so I can't wait for this to jumpscare them when they update the modpack soon.

[vale swift]

oh thatll be great

[summer nacelle]

I liked how the old lavish purple and aqua blue hoarding bug skins looked better but I need that arctic eyeless dog skin

Hunter black and arctic white eyeless dog skins are very pleasing to the eye and will both work well on snowy maps

[vale swift]

the old purple hoarding bug needed to be updated due to an error where it had white outlines that made it look wack

maybe we can touch up on it to get it back to how it used to look

[summer nacelle]

That would be nice

Do you have the screenshot from the old Imgur? I want to compare and contrast

[heady gulch]

Old

I just realized there's a discrepency with the new imgur image, I didn't take a picture of the one actually ingame where I fixed the eyes to be more blue

[vale swift]

this is the offical new one

extract just forgot to put it in the new imgur

[summer nacelle]

Thank you

[vale swift]

but we are trying to touch up on the hoarding but to see if we can get something that looks like the old one

[summer nacelle]

I think the lighter purple and much lighter blue from the first one are what makes the old one my favorite

Very good on outdoor Embrion

I wonder how long a hoarding bug would last against the old birds

[vale swift]

we like the original purple one a lot so we are fighting hard to bring his glory back

long live the lavish purple

tho the next update might not come for a bit

so the current lavish purple gets to exist for a while longer

[summer nacelle]

That’s fine

The “refurbished” old bird skin is nice too

[heady gulch]

repaired white?

[summer nacelle]

Yes

Those fit well in the bunkers on artifice

[violet kettle]

Oh no

[hushed swan]

Is there a way for everyone in the session to see the same monster colors?

[eager cypress]

not yet but I feel once the maker of the skinregistry recovers their data they're gonna do that

[versed ferry]

i think hunter black fits on the snowy planets more than arctic white

[heady gulch]

When exactly is that error occurring? I can definitely see it’s related to the spider

[eager cypress]

honestly I feel both fit ngl

[versed ferry]

when it tries to wrap the body in webs i think? based on what i can see

[heady gulch]

Hm. May check for myself when I have the chance then report it to Antler

[violet kettle]

Well... That is a good question.

The stacktrace suggests that there was something wrong with webbing a body.

The main issue is that I wasn't even near that spider :/

[heady gulch]

Odd

[eternal roost]

Still Favourite part of the newest update.

New very confused man!

[tacit lance]

oh god condoms earth leviathans everywhere

[vale swift]

That one's name is Denver

[vague ibex]

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[tacit lance]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-rock-gif-21708339

[storm bolt]

what

[vague ibex]

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[tacit lance]

https://tenor.com/view/church-baby-praise-worship-feel-the-spirit-gif-15225541

[heady gulch]

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-stare-sesame-street-rocco-death-stare-gif-24438342

[spiral rain]

death

[shut sable]

bonus coilhead skin?

[spiral rain]

YEAAH

[tacit lance]

Hell yeah!

[heady gulch]

May have had an idea similar to this in our backlog for a while

[vale swift]

perhaps it was one of the first we came up with

[heady gulch]

We've been crunching on bonus skins for a bit but overall its been slow given we've been working on this for days straight and we haven't had a proper lethal night with friends to enjoy our mod lol

[edgy timber]

do we count as enemys

[heady gulch]

I'll turn you into a skin

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-meme-funny-idk-gif-27640147

me when bonus skin

[edgy timber]

skin the player alive

[vale swift]

we'll make a bonus skin that turns coilhead into really tall employees

no we will not

[heady gulch]

You will make the mesh if we do that

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1237125640168149063.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=acorn

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/bee-movie-lawyer-tantrum-gif-20018965

[spiral rain]

this mod is really good with #1241004917746044988

[void yew]

yup, got the same issue with spooders. I believe it's not the skin's fault tho :/ Maybe it's the mod? Can't remember if I've already reported it to the creator ><

[versed ferry]

the upturned momento

[storm bolt]

h

[vale swift]

time to give a little sneak peak to let everyone know we havent died yet

now time to go into hiding again

[steel raft]

Oh my goodness they have not died

They sent a low poly picture of a nose there's no way they could have died

[main berry]

its their murderer who just pretends to be them so no one suspects anything

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/wario-gif-7733422

theyll never suspect a thing

[heady gulch]

Sorry, I’m still dead. I’ll be back in 2037

[vale swift]

yeah hes still dead

[storm bolt]

damn

[vale swift]

extract's been asking me to update the giant's icon ever since i made it so heres the old and the new giant icon

it might get changed again

but its a simple tiny change

[spiral rain]

aw the new one's really cool!!

[dusty terrace]

jus wondering.. are you able to enable/disable certain colors of creatures for this mod?

i love this concept but some of the colors are too bright or sometimes i feel like they dont fit

[vale swift]

yeah you can make it so certain skins dont spawn in the configs

@heady gulch you explain it better

[shut sable]

you can change the percentage spawn chance for all skins including vanilla

can even do it per-planet if you want

[heady gulch]

Basically what Buttery said. If there’s some skins you just want to disable entirely you can click on their icons to do so in the EnemySkinRegistry config

[edgy timber]

still an owl but now it looks better

[vale swift]

true

[dapper harbor]

loved adding this mod and not telling anyone in the group

peak gaslighting experience

yeah the coilheads were always that color what do you mean???

[inner island]

You monster

Thank you for the idea

[safe marsh]

I just got an idea, what if there's an owl enemy. That could be interesting.

[edgy timber]

there is
the giant looks like an owl

so therefore, there's an owl

[safe marsh]

I mean like a custom enemy with custom mechanics.

[edgy timber]

hoot

[vocal cairn]

[WIP] Colorful Enemy Variety

[violet kettle]

Seems like the skins don't always sync 🤔

[spiral rain]

yeah they don't sync ever

that's a thing w the API, which should be fixed eventually

[harsh moat]

is it possible at all to make the arachnophobia mode version of the spider have skins?

[shut sable]

that's probably a feature request for enemyskinkit moreso

[harsh moat]

i guess

[dapper harbor]

so uhhhhhhh

client sees this

on host its fine

[harsh moat]

this is a rare bug where hoarding bugs spawn squished

ive never seen it myself and only saw one other post about it before

[steel raft]

Ooh have you considered coloring the arachnophobia model for the spider based on the variant?

[heady gulch]

Changing that isn’t supported by EnemySkinKit. I would say that’s something you’d ask in the thread for that mod but someone has already done that

[heady gulch]

I’ve seen this happen before during testing a while back but I’m not really sure what causes that or if it even is an issue related to my mod or its dependencies? The best I can assume is it has to do with the Hoarder Bug not playing their exit vent animation properly cuz normally when popping out of a vent they looked squished like that. I have not encountered it again as of recent

[shut sable]

yes, it is a vanilla bug

monsters start out squished and become normal size as they exit vents

but im pretty sure the animation can be cancelled early if they completely exit the vent on the host's side before the animation is over for all clients

so if you have, say, a ton of network lag causing the monster to spawn late on your end

and then it finishes the vent animation on host's end and you get confirmation of that much earlier in comparison

the animation will be cancelled partway through on your end

causing scale distortion

[plush crest]

Idk if this question was asked already but will the Hygrodere get custom color variants too? 🥺

[harsh moat]

they cant because of their texture i think

[plush crest]

Drat

[shut sable]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TestAccount666/RandomSlimeColor/

[plush crest]

So far haven’t seen it work, but maybe I’m not looking hard enough. I’ll try with Imperium when I’m home

[shut sable]

works fine for me

[spiral rain]

i like the pfp change

dordomo's goated

[spiral rain]

sometimes a hygrodere spawns that changes color overtime, it might be that

like, i remember they change color veeery slowly

[spiral rain]

oo just thought of something

@heady gulch are you guys ever gonna do manticoil skins?

[heady gulch]

If EnemySkinKit ever adds support for them I’d be open to giving them skins, I know that’s something a friend of mine would love to do. But as it is now they’re not supported so the idea is shelved for now

Same goes for the Tulip Snakes even if they have their own colored variants

[spiral rain]

oooh i didn't know they didn't support manticoils

thats def odd

[harsh moat]

if i had to guess its cause its super subtle and not much to really see

more major monsters having more priority makes sense

[vale swift]

yeah if manticoils and tulip snakes ever got support id be so down to do stuff for em

hell they already have icons for if they ever do get support

same with like bees, hornets, and locust but i doubt theyll ever get anything cuz theyre weird

but if manticoils ever get support

seagull bonus skin

[spiral rain]

idk how you'd go about changing the three bug dudes cuz i'm fairly sure they're a particle system or smth

like idk if it'd need something special

[vale swift]

yeah i dunno how we would do it but if we could we definitely would

but we would mostly like to play with manticoils or tulip snakes

since we've got some fun ideas for em if they ever get support

but yeah here are the unused icons for enemies that dont have skinkits or we wont do

like the slime

we made an icon but we arent gonna do anything for em

[spiral rain]

omg the locust one <3

so cute

[vale swift]

thank you

these i did out of boredom but i like em so theyre fun

theres also an icon of the lassoman enemy which i did out of boredom as well

maybe one day he'll be put in the game

[heady gulch]

Hey! I know it's been a minute, but we're still slowly chipping away at more bonus skins! Here's a preview of them, some with altered sounds too!

Note they're still WIP (especially the Centipede one)

[shut sable]

the black widow is cool

[tacit lance]

I NEED THAT SPODER

[heady gulch]

Also want to point out that the centipede one was based off this given idea by Bio a couple weeks back

[steel raft]

Wowie the black widow I suggested got in!!

[harsh moat]

what is the forest giant supposed to be

oh wait

its the white trees

[steel raft]

Get birch slapped

[spiral rain]

FUCKYYEAH

OMG IT'S THE DUCKY ISOPOD

LET' GOO

[spiral rain]

you can call me monty heheh

[pale rose]

i like the jester skin but i think its skull like when out of the box should be like, black like on the box or atleast like darker than the rest of the red on it

actually when i think abt it its limbs would look good black too or maybe like they fade into black at the bottom

[heady gulch]

I've been thinking about differentiating the limbs and skull more but honestly I'm still trying to piece together the messy texture, the skull and teeth in particular are

I'll probably end up ripping the model of the jester from the game like I did with the old bird to figure out which piece is which sooner when I get to it

I tried doing a thing with making his feet darker along the bottom but there's like a patch i'm struggling to find in the texture to color

[pale rose]

oh lol

yeah the uvs are such a mess in lethal

[harsh moat]

oh my fucking god

thats the map????

[spiral rain]

that's cuz the skull is like, three different parts

[spiral rain]

yeah every single uv map in lc is ass

here's the forest keeper one

[harsh moat]

what does earth leviathans look like

[heady gulch]

3? I count atleast 15 parts in the skull 🤨

[spiral rain]

oh sorry I meant like, it's three models

the islands are a completely different story

I have the model ripped if you want it

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[harsh moat]

jester weird left eye

[spiral rain]

whyyyyy is it fucking THREEEE MODEEEELS

[heady gulch]

I got all the models 'n stuff in hand dw

[spiral rain]

totally necessitates its own model btw

[spiral rain]

ok ok good

[harsh moat]

the jester doesnt even have eyes last i checked

[spiral rain]

nnnope

it does not i don't think

or wait

it does, yeah

the little ball sticking through the skull

actually no that's just a bit of the tendrils

[pale rose]

i think the top part is its brain and the bit poking out is apart of it

[pale rose]

also these r what i named the models the actual models ingame are all completely unlabeled LOL

[spiral rain]

yah

[spiral rain]

OH ok

no it's very descriptive

what i'm confused is WHY the fuck there needs to be 4 separate models for it

[pale rose]

yeah lmao

[heady gulch]

I mean given that multiple materials for the monsters are called head001 or smth like that

not very surprising lol

I remember having a doozy finding those when seeing how the textures are applied

Like, Earth Leviathan being called Sand Worm or smth? Ok

Head001?

[pale rose]

no not even that dude

shit like "beziercurve001" "circle"

[shut sable]

in fairness it's probably a matter of the fbx being some actual name

and the embedded mesh is just the name of the shape zeekerss started sculpting with

[summer nacelle]

Do the skin configs settings and the skins that are chosen not sync across players?

[pale rose]

i dont think so no but thats a like enemyskinregistry or whatever its called issure

[heady gulch]

Yeah, the skin seen is not synced across players unfortunately. Even if you had the configs the exact same

[summer nacelle]

Both of these problems are more Enemy skin registry-adjacent then this mods?

[heady gulch]

Yeah, nothing I can really do about it. I'm just suppling skins for the mod to use

Same for the whole not being able to configure modded moon skin chances (unless I were to manually somehow register them myself but it's a intrusive way to do so)

[summer nacelle]

I see, thank you

[plush crest]

The black widow one is terrifying. Can't wait to pair this with the random enemies sized mods and make them all tiny to have like 30+ spiders in the armory

[pale rose]

was randomly lookin thru this thread again but for this i maybe reccomend like, ripping the model, making better uvs then using that to create skins then like baking the skins texture onto the like old uvs

idk how exactly but im sure its possible

id reccomend asking like siphonife in this discord theyre rlly smart with blender im sure theyd know how

[pale rose]

kinda wanna make up some skins just for fun so i made these 2 :P

[harsh moat]

nutcracker has too many imo

i dont think any should be removed per se

but i dont think anymore should be added unless the others get that many

[spiral rain]

that jester one's so good

[harsh moat]

both are good

[pale rose]

the jesters meant to be a sorta clown that accidentally has like the pansexual flag pallete but thats just cus i love that pallete LOL

[harsh moat]

no its ok its pride month

[pale rose]

and the nutcrackers like one of those green plastic soldiers

[harsh moat]

let the jester come out in a different way

[pale rose]

true...

i should make skins for the other flags too i think

trans forest giant

[summer nacelle]

This makes me think of a stone giant, which I’m surprised no one’s made yet

[harsh moat]

i think an amethyst giant would be better

in reference to embrion

[heady gulch]

Looking at it now I honestly can't believe I hadn't thought of a plastic green nutcracker sooner lol

[harsh moat]

theres actually a surprising amount of nutcrackers irl

i know someone who collects them

there is really no limit

[pale rose]

at the house my family goes to every year for easter they have a big ass nutcracker in their living room

[heady gulch]

I'm gonna tell a little secret, I have actually been sitting on another coloration of the bonus skin for the Nutcracker but I've been contemplating adding it in or not because as of now I want to stick with every enemy having only 1 bonus skin each

[heady gulch]

My friends and I have debated on whenever we made even more bonus skin after everyone has 1 whether we should just make that its own mod or keep adding onto this mod

[harsh moat]

yeah the person i know has this exact one lol

[harsh moat]

i like this idea if you want to make more bonus skins for everything

the separate mod one lol

[pale rose]

id just say fuck it and make it anyways lol

[heady gulch]

My friend proposed that if we did made a "bonus skin" mod we'd remove the bonus skins from this mod and chuck them into the new mod and just keeps the alternate colorations in the original

[harsh moat]

you can even make special skins that you can only download for a limited time until theyre removed from thunderstore :trollface:

[heady gulch]

Limited time halloween thumper skin (it's just orange)

But yeah, right now i'm just sticking with 4 colors and 1 bonus for each enemy for the time being until everyone has a bonus skin. I'll probably have made up my mind by then on what to do

The nutcracker having 2 right now... well

They're just lucky I guess

[harsh moat]

you should make a bonus thumper skin be a goblin shark

[heady gulch]

Honestly, the only enemy that I don't really have an idea for a bonus skin are the Dogs

[harsh moat]

tabby cat?

or maybe lion

eyeless dogs' genus is leo

theyre just called dogs because

yes

[heady gulch]

Hm... a pattern on them would be neat but I'd definitely need a friend of mine to look into it cuz I'd probably suck at doing it

They did a very simple but very nice striped pattern for the Butler bonus skin

[pale rose]

lesbian spore lizard and gay thumper 💯

[heady gulch]

That thumper skin kinda goes hard doe... too bad doing gradients on the uvs are a complete nightmare

[pale rose]

yeah LOL

i tried to base it off a tiger shark bc i love the idea of thumpers with shark colorations

[shut sable]

i dont think there's much reason intentionally limiting it just to reach some arbitrary number

if there are cool ideas i think they should be realized

[pale rose]

yeyeye

[shut sable]

also nutcrackers already have 2 bonus skins

there's the camo and then "indoor gray" which is grayscale camo

lol

i do understand prioritizing creating skins for the stuff that is missing skins, for sure

i dont think anybody would complain about an imbalance of bonus skins though, personally

[heady gulch]

Yeah, I suppose you're right

If he already has 2 bonus skins ig adding in a 3rd wouldn't hurt at that point. I guess what I worry about is going overboard with the bonus skins and adding too many

Because honestly I can think of multiple bonus skins for a lot of the enemies, some a lot more than others

[pale rose]

im sure nobodyd be complaining lol but like depending on the like, aim of this mod they might be better as their own mod like u said

like if this mod is more meant to be just slight recolors

[heady gulch]

Yeah, that's what I had been thinking. Cuz at the end of the day the original idea behind this mod was just the recolors

But I guess since the recolors for the most part have been mostly finished, it's began branching out into a lot more than just recolors

Especially with ones like the laughing toy bird

[pale rose]

yeyeyeye

i really like that skin btw probably my fave from this mod

[heady gulch]

Really? Honestly I think it could use work lol

Doesn't even have the red feet like the toy smh

[pale rose]

i didnt even notice lol i just think its silly

[shut sable]

i do agree splitting the bonus skins into a separate release might be good

supposedly enemyskinregistry is supposed to make that sort of modularity really easy anyway

also probably helps with not feeling the need to fit a certain quota or skin count

for consistency's sake

[spiral rain]

yehs!

[spiral rain]

if people don't want the bonus ones they can jsut turn em off doe

[spiral rain]

tru tru

but it's still really creative

I think the color of the spotlight (not when its lit up, just of the glass bits) could be black cuz rn it feels like its a chunk of teal atm

[summer nacelle]

if it were done proper that would be cool

[storm bolt]

I hope janitor will exist

[tired citrus]

this mod is 100% client-side?

The host can have it, but if the client doesn't want, he can disable it and join the server anyway?

[harsh moat]

yep

[tired citrus]

sick

👍

[raw cave]

any plans to further lower the asset bundle size?

[heady gulch]

I’m gonna be real with you, I don’t know what that means

Like, reduce the size of the mod?

[tacit lance]

Decimate models in blender, lowering the quality of the textures (lethal company will also do this for most stuff)

[heady gulch]

Well, uh, I’d probably need to learn how to actually do that… so I suppose the answer for now is no? But maybe I’ll look into it sometime in the future (depending on how hard it is to do)

[tacit lance]

These are a few clicks tbh

Wait i thought im in modding general lol

[heady gulch]

lol

[tacit lance]

Yeah for you maybe texture size is an option

How big is the assetbundle rn?

[heady gulch]

Emmm Where would I go about seeing that? I assume not the file size

Actually hang on

[shut sable]

the asset bundle size is the primary contributor to the file size

the file you pack from unity that has all your skins is the "asset bundle"

[heady gulch]

77.5 MB

Not sure how big or small is that

[tacit lance]

Yeah i think you should tone down the textures’ size to 512x512

Or something similar

[shut sable]

could also reduce the compression quality and enable crunch compression

[shut sable]

the texture quality in lethal company is actually kind of absurd

like

the entire game gets crunched down to 860x520 anyway

and a lot of textures with really simple details have 1024x1024 textures in spite of that

the gift box is like 3 solid colors

and it's a 1024x1024 texture

you can pretty much half the size of all the textures (quarter filesize) and the game looks almost identical

at least to me

[raw cave]

mentioned this because atleast AFAIK, asset bundle sizes for mods can contribute to more RAM usage?

350,000kb size

(350mb)

[heady gulch]

Okay, yeah, before or maybe after the next update comes out I’ll look into reducing the size of the textures, doesn’t sound that hard

[shut sable]

i would probably suggest messing with the compression settings first

it might increase load times a bit but it would leave the quality unchanged for many of the textures (and if it looks bad on a particular skin you can just revert it)

i do legitimately think they will look almost identical with halved texture size, at least with the vanilla resolution

although for hdlethalcompany users it might be noticeable

especially in contrast with the vanilla skins

[heady gulch]

As I have it right now all the skins are set to the maximum quality, so I definitely think there’s wiggle room to compress them a good amount

[pale rose]

a like bonus skin idea i thought of a like frozen/cold old bird for like snowy moons with like icicles and snow ontop of him

[summer nacelle]

I like this idea

[heady gulch]

I would like it if I were able to differentiate the skin on a inactive old bird vs an active one

Have the snow/icicles on it to show age then have that stuff fall off when it turns on

(also, off topic but minor apologies for the lack of an mod update To be honest me and my friends are just waiting for the next update at this point)

[shut sable]

next tuesday

[heady gulch]

I’m honestly very curious what else will be added aside from the CC

[shut sable]

zeekerss was talking about a new enemy he designed

im not sure if thats coming in v55 because he hasnt strictly confirmed it

but it is certainly possible

[summer nacelle]

I hope dogs can sleep like they were in the trailer

Maybe a sleeping dog is somehow more noise sensitive then they are normally?

I think dogs should get a facelift like how baboon hawks did, you can talk 20 feet away from them and be fine

[plush crest]

I am so ready for this

🙏

[pale rose]

so true lol once u realize like just how close u need to be to one for it to hear u running theyre not nearly as dangerous as you originally thought

[heady gulch]

Not really sure I'll go through with this but I've toyed around with the idea of another Butler bonus skin with dark colors, maybe with blood all over his suit, and teeth that you can see in the dark, also different idle/murder themes. Thoughts?
(The skin in the video is mostly a mockup and colorized entirely gray)

[harsh moat]

not a fan of this kind of stuff really

stuff like

idk fuckin
nutcracker.exe with hyperrealisitic blood super scary download now no virus

the chase music being the unknowns chase theme adds onto that vibe more

(the unknown is a dead by daylight killer for those who dont know)

[heady gulch]

Yeah, I can see it coming off that way

[harsh moat]

a better bonus butler skin idea imo would be making the job be different

like, change it to a chef

[shut sable]

lol chef butler

[heady gulch]

I have been getting a lot of suggestions around friends and people to make him a Janitor

[shut sable]

i think the music in this video is too generic

personally

the glowing teeth thing could be really cool

the rest of the skin is also a bit too generic to comment on, but that makes sense cuz it's a mockup

[shut sable]

i'd +1 if that includes latex gloves

[harsh moat]

make him theodore peterson

(dont take that seriously)

[heady gulch]

The thing with making him a Janitor is that I'd probably want to give him overalls to really do it justice

[harsh moat]

yeah would probably be an issue since he has a coat all around him

and you cant really see his legs

[heady gulch]

I could maybe make it look like those yellow/orange sleeveless coats?

[harsh moat]

also i just thought

[heady gulch]

But his coat has sleeves obv

[harsh moat]

what would happen if this skin was nearby other butlers and you stared at both at the same time

would it just play both audios awkwardly

same for chase music

[heady gulch]

Huh, I didn't think about that

One sec

[shut sable]

at least for the murder music

there is only one audiosource used by all the butlers

the first butler to spawn makes their murder music object globally available

and all other butlers activate that one

different butlers play different ambience, though, as far as i can tell

it can overlap in different points of the track

[heady gulch]

Yeah, their idles overlap, oops

[harsh moat]

rip

[heady gulch]

Ah well, was just a mockup anyways

[heady gulch]

Thinking about this more this would actually probably be more possible than the Janitor?

The thing I worry about because I haven't tested it yet is what would happen if the Butler dies while having a hat on or smth

Would it kinda just hover there over his body lol

Cuz to be honest the way I put the headphones on the Toy Old Bird a while back was rather sloppy (Even if it works)

[harsh moat]

he doesnt have to have a hat if you cant disable the hat when it dies

but that being said

assuming i got what youre saying right

it would be possible to see flying headphones already

because earth leviathans can eat old birds

[shut sable]

if you put the hat on the bone connected to the butler's head it would probably shrink and fall over with the rest of the corpses

[harsh moat]

old birds also have bones right

so he can fix the headphones

assuming thats a thing

[shut sable]

it is pointless to speculate about fixing bugs that havent even been observed as occurring

[heady gulch]

Well I never worried about that because when it comes to earth leviathans they don't really leave corpses, they just kinda delete whatever they eat

[tired citrus]

Do a hollow knight skin to hoarding bug

[harsh moat]

that makes sense

[heady gulch]

If that's how it might work I'll probably look into it (sometime after the v55 update)

[tired citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[heady gulch]

A chef butler sounds very neat thinking about it

[storm bolt]

you could possibly have them under the coat, also the coat could look more like this to make it more so look like a janitor

I also would imagine it would have more stains on its clothing

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/african-kid-africa-thinking-calculate-hmm-gif-14333456070094555182

That might work actually

I'll toy around with both the Janitor and Chef idea eventually

[spiral rain]

god this is so peak

you guys could probably try and do like a zombie-themed butler recolor

would be kinda cool

[sleek holly]

Tboi champion enemies lol

wait that could honestly be a good mod idea

[vale swift]

thats not a bad idea actually

[vast wave]

Hi, in BETA V55, It seems that the "FixPluginTypesSerialization" mod (dependency) causes the game to crash. Disabling it causes the game to detect the mod but no enemies to have changed colors.

[harsh moat]

i would not recommend using any mods for right now

like
it shouldnt be that hard to understand

new update
mods will not work because they dont support it

[vast wave]

At some point the Beta V55 will no longer be beta, so it is good that they are aware of possible bugs that would have to correct if they want the mod to continue working. Obviusly.

[harsh moat]

there is not a bug, its just the mod isnt updated to support v55

[heady gulch]

Anything that breaks from v55 that aren't the skins themselves has to be fixed by Antler, the dev of EnemySkinKit/EnemySkinRegistry (which is this mod's dependency)

And even then I'd wait until v55 is fully out

[harsh moat]

blaze have you already seen the new monsters btw

i already have an idea for a skin if its not too early

[heady gulch]

I'd save it for later, gonna play the update tonight with friends

(and inevitebly kill eachother fighting for the truck)

[vast wave]

Oh, I also wanted to leave a suggestion to make the colors of the Bracken's colors a bit more saturated because in gameplay they all seem to be the same color. Except for Cosmos Purple which looks pretty cool.

[heady gulch]

Cosmos is more noticeable because I changed his "glow" color unlike the others, maybe i'll tinker with the others when working on the next update again once v55 settles

[heady gulch]

So, I played v55

[vale swift]

and we're already getting ideas

[heady gulch]

I mean, this one is obvious

[vale swift]

they cant just add this one and expect us NOT to reference it

[harsh moat]

ok heres my suggestion then

||corrupted purple for the kidnapper fox in reference to the corruption from terraria, because the fox looks like a crimson monster (and even acts like one tbh)||

[heady gulch]

I like that

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-uncletopia-gif-26323416

[harsh moat]

i kind of want to see how a blacklight version of it would look

idk what else really does work for it besides just basic color changes

[harsh moat]

and this

hold on

[heady gulch]

Me and my friend talked about ||Giving it doctor tools (stethoscope, etc.) and giving the Fox colors similar to Zeeker’s character||

[harsh moat]

ok this is harder than i thought

it seems like theres no free way to do this?

youd have to draw it or pay for blacklight filters

and searching for the color palette isnt helping much either rn

[heady gulch]

I’m already paying for Photoshop

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[harsh moat]

oh

i see

[heady gulch]

But it does sound intriguing

[vale swift]

i will do everything in my power to make this a reality

[heady gulch]

And then we look inside and see it's just one color with no texture like the bracken

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/why-crying-emotional-tears-sobbing-gif-17306861

[violet kettle]

Anyone tested this in v55?

[tired citrus]

✋ it works fine

[pale rose]

can u make a purple one that plays the ao oni chase music

[heady gulch]

I’ll think about it maybe

[heady gulch]

Are you sure FixPluginTypeSerialization is the cause of crashing? I just tested my mod with it enabled in the v55 beta and it works perfectly fine

And also the message above by Leafar ^

Could it be possible that you had other mods enabled that were the real cause of crashing the game that also depended on FixPlugin, and that’s why you didn’t crash when disabling that mod as you said?

[vale swift]

i think i saw a mod that does this already on thunderstore

[abstract forge]

@solar cobalt

[solar cobalt]

WOW

[spiral rain]

EVERYTHING YOU COME UP W IS HEAT HOW DID I NOT THINK OF THIS

[pale rose]

[shut sable]

lol unfortunately the barbers work like the butlers

the "master barber" controls the global music and each individual barber is only responsible for their own snare roll

[heady gulch]

[trim karma]

[heady gulch]

tf is this texture

The other entity does not look much better

[shut sable]

the alpha values are used for its fade effect

[tacit lance]

how is the barber set up?

LOD or diffuse shader or what?

cuz giants have 3 different textures and im thinking maybe Zeeks set the barber up somewhat similar

[heady gulch]

This is their material, they have a 2nd mask map texture to them

[harsh moat]

hell

ive realized how blacklight variants of things are created

its using the inverted color palette

so
||a blacklight barber would have a green body and cyan scissors||

||the gloves and actual sharp part of the scissors can be any color||

[heady gulch]

😕 Kinda stumped and currently working on a sudden issue where all the skins have lost detail compared to their normal skin. (Right picture is from the current released build of the mod)

Not quite sure if this is some sort of EnemySkinKit issue or I genuinely messed something up without knowing. I'm using the exact same materials and values as before

[shut sable]

it looks like the enemies are maybe not being subjected to the post processing shader

your shaders might be getting compiled incorrectly by unity

[heady gulch]

I did have to make a new unity project for the mod a few days ago actually

[shut sable]

yeah unity generally tries to compile the shaders to the simplest possible form

so like, if you compile assetbundles in a project that doesn't have fog enabled, the materials from that assetbundle wont support fog at all

[harsh moat]

yeah this is what monsters look like without post processing

id know because i play without it lol

[heady gulch]

Huh, I see. Then how would I go about fixing the shaders in my project? Is there some way to maybe redo or recompile the shaders?

[shut sable]

not too sure about the specifics

do you not have access to your old project anymore?

[heady gulch]

I can't open it because I accidently deleted something that was a dependency for a package and I can't find it

I'll launch it in safe mode and see what I can do maybe

[heady gulch]

Nope 😐 Guess I know what i'll be doing for the next week then

[harsh moat]

thats ass

sorry you have to deal with this

[sleek holly]

best of luck with your issues

I'm no computer wizard so I can't help orther than cheering you unfortunataly 😔

[heady gulch]

Worst case scenario, if it’s an issue with my Unity then my friend will volunteer in building the mod to see if it works on his end. He’s already helping out

[heady gulch]

I’m circumventing the issues I’m having by working on a different computer. This makes working on the mod cumbersome, but it’ll have to do.

The next update for Colorful Enemy Variety probably won’t come until after EnemySkinKit/EnemySkinRegistry updates, but once all that comes out, next update will probably be the 1.0 release with some changes and additions, mainly regarding the state of bonus skins. And yes, more recolors for ||the Barber and Kidnapper Fox||

[tacit lance]

v59?

[heady gulch]

Sorry I meant v100

[tacit lance]

Dats better

Btw v56 is out lol

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-fall-skeleton-skeleton-shocked-shock-fall-over-gif-18289779073300331983

That’s what I get for living in a cave

[abstract forge]

It just hit Main branch today

Lol

[vale swift]

yeah hopefully we can fix the issues

[storm jungle]

I'm close to having stuff ready.
I've gotta figure out what the Barber's doing to turn invisible and make a default implementation of that.
May or may not include tulip snake.

[shut sable]

the barber uses the "alpha clipping" setting in the hdrp/lit shader to set the threshold of what is/isn't visible

and then its texture has an alpha map with the "stripe" pattern

to clarify, ClaySurgeonAI.SetVisibility() is what alters the alpha cutoff value based on distance

[storm jungle]

So it's a normal texture with funny stuff going on in the alpha channel?
Because I got the alpha channel setting copying over, so hopefully I just need to confirm it's working with a texture doing the same stuff in its alpha channel.

[shut sable]

yeah, it's a plain texture with the fade pattern in the alpha map

[storm jungle]

Ok, sick.

[shut sable]

and the alpha cutoff is set programmatically (for example, alpha cutoff of 0.5 makes all pixels with 127 or less alpha invisible, 128 or greater full visible)

[storm jungle]

Yeah, the kit's Barber skin has an update handler that copies the setting over to everything in the skin that has a renderer.

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-christian-bale-business-gif-13484994

Switching computers does not seem to solve my issue, guess I can't run away from my problems

[vale swift]

A_spunchbob

[shut sable]

yeah it is probably an issue with how your project is configured

so just moving it wouldn't do much

i wish i had more specific advice though

[heady gulch]

I actually started from scratch on the different computer. Downloaded unity, made a new project, did the install guide for EnemySkinKit, etc. And in the end the issue just popped up again I'm not sure if I'm maybe doing something wrong, or the way I'm packaging stuff, or something secretly changed at some point...

I'm just gonna hold out for the EnemySkinKit update like I said and see if the issue just magically dissapears. But nothing has pointed to EnemySkinKit being the issue as far as I know, even downgrading to the version I used last time I published my mod didn't work

One way or another, I'm getting to the bottom of this

[storm jungle]

It normally does the post processing by default, yeah?
I don't think I'm doing anything different with regards to the nutcracker as far as materials are concerned. I can take a look though. I'd be surprised if it's something on your end, though. The generated code for this doesn't do much. It's all in the skinner classes.

[heady gulch]

It’s not a Nutcracker exclusive issue, it’s happening to all the enemies

[harsh moat]

apply post processing effects to the texture

(dont actually do that because of HD lethal)

[abstract forge]

HDLC is abandoned and shouldn't be used anymore anyways

and I don't think mods should focus on compat with it anymore

[harsh moat]

theres still a mod that removes post processing

probably multiple

[heady gulch]

The reason I don't think it's an EnemySkinKit/EnemySkinRegistry issue is because the current public build of Colorful Enemy Variety does not have the issue at all, and when trying to use the last version of EnemySkinKit I used to publish the latest release (1.0.5) that doesn't fix the problem. At this point I have to believe it is an issue with Unity

I don't think it's a personal computer problem either because as I said, creating an entirely new project on a different computer with a fresh install of Unity doesn't fix the problem either

[shut sable]

im pretty sure it is an "issue" with unity yeah

i just dont know for sure that it's a bug vs some mystery behavior that's intended

[abstract forge]

My guess is a different version of Unity is being used compared to the public build of the mod, or a setting that properly applies the post processing isn't ticked with the fresh install

But idk

[heady gulch]

I only have the version of Unity that EnemySkinKit has as a prerequisite, 2022.3.9f1

[abstract forge]

Hmmmm

[heady gulch]

Just to triple check, I had my friend who has helped me with Colorful do the steps for making a project, downloading EnemySkinKit, setting up the skins, etc. and they too ran into the issue with the skins not having post processing. We noticed that these warnings and errors are something in common between our own projects and I'm trying to troubleshoot them as best I can, though I'm not sure any of these could be the culprit (we're not that knowledgeable in unity in general, to be brutally honest)

If anyone's familiar with these errors/warnings, insight would be appreciated

[vale swift]

A_spunchbob the nutcracker shot me

but yeah it didnt work so hopefully we can figure out what happened

[storm jungle]

Some of that looks like Thunderkit whining about nothing. The last one just has to do with the editor gui.
Do any of them stick around after clearing the console?

[storm jungle]

Does the post-processing issue persist if the nutcracker is excluded from the list of skins?

[heady gulch]

None of them stick around

To clarify, this happens to every enemy's skin. I made a version of the mod with just the 1 nutcracker skin and there's no post processing. I made a version of the mod with just the 1 spider skin and there's no post processing. Repeat for every enemy

[echo sphinx]

would there be an incompatibility with mods that replace models like weeping angels? https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/raydenoir/WeepingAngels/

[storm jungle]

It'd be what the skin registry was supposed to be for.

[heady gulch]

Generally, mods that replace enemy models that aren't made with EnemySkinRegistry in mind will just override the skins completely

The only ones I can confirm are Goku Bracken and SCP 173 coilhead. I assume it'd be the same with the weeping angel

[echo sphinx]

the thing is, the weeping angel has a config option for a model override chance

[heady gulch]

Hm. Then maybe it could work? I'm in the middle of working on a private modpack on R2 rn, I could give it a check

They work fine together

[harsh moat]

it starts private but then you do more than you expected
a lot more

[heady gulch]

In all honesty it's just a kitchen sink modpack for my group of friends full of random mods lol. Though I love to make custom menus for it with Emblem

[harsh moat]

well im just joking anyways
but
average LC mod pack

[heady gulch]

Having wesleys moons is mandatory, sorry

no peak no modpack

[harsh moat]

i made one and didnt use wesleys or sfdesats because my friend used every single one they made for her own and i wanted to challenge myself to not use them

[nocturne roost]

I don't like Wesley's moons because of some of the scrap and more importantly indoor enemies spawning outside

[vale swift]

we love ourselves a kitchen sink

[young valley]

EnemySkinRegistry updated, and now when I use this mod the clown giants on Bozoros are invisible

[heady gulch]

Huh, that’s odd. That’s the first I’m hearing of that, though unfortunately I can’t look into fixing it because I’m having issues with exporting the skins which has basically halted progress on the mod.

Ultimately however, I don’t think there’d be much I could do. This mod just supplies EnemySkinRegistry with skins and not much else, for now atleast maybe try changing the config so that skinned giants don’t spawn on Bozoros? It could be the clown giants are trying to use one of the skins and it’s causing a conflict of some sort

[harsh moat]

the thing is they worked just fine before

i saw grey clown giants because your mod chose the snowy skin you made

green also works
i dont think the other two do but it didnt make them invisible before

[young valley]

so I'm not the only one

[harsh moat]

no i havent been able to use my pc for two days

so i never saw them broken now

that being said have you considered its because bozoros is outdated for v55

idk if it is actually

[young valley]

oh

[harsh moat]

last updated 4 months ago

[young valley]

I disabled almost all of my mods and disabled the giant skins, and now the clown giants appear normaly again

[storm jungle]

So an update on the post-processing.
I think @shut sable explanation is likely. I've isolated the issue as being with the materials themselves, so if it's hdrp skipping a step when compiling or bundling, that'd make a lot of sense.
No idea how this ever worked if that's the case though.
Still, I'm gonna try copying the game's post processing volume in a unity project and see if that does the trick. It'd be nice to be able to preview it anyway.

[young valley]

yeah I tried the process of elimination, and my mods seem to work fine until I enable enemy skin kit registry and colorful enemy variety, then the bozoros giants disappear

I'ts most likely that bozoros is causing the issue though, since it hasn't been updated for v56

[heady gulch]

Sounds good. Fingers crossed 🤞

[storm jungle]

This is wack.
I could probably give you a workaround though. Most of your mods just replace the texture image, right?

[heady gulch]

Pretty much yeah

Just editing the base maps in Photoshop

[storm jungle]

Okie doke. I can just add a new MaterialAction type for just swapping the texture some time tonight.

If I can get that working and it still doesn't apply the post processing we riot.

[heady gulch]

🤞 🤞

[shut sable]

just swapping the texture on the original material would work

yea

[fair raptor]

Is this mod abandoned?

[vale swift]

nope we're just trying to figure out an issue that we've been having

[fair raptor]

Oh thank heavens

[vale swift]

hopefully the issue can be fixed but until then

enjoy the vain shroud icon

that will never be used

and was just made because i got bored

[harsh moat]

obsidian rose from terraria

[fair raptor]

It should be, in my opinion

If kidnapper foxes are getting color palettes of their own, then the vain shroud should match them to accommodate it

Kidnapper foxes evolved their red color palette to blend in with the vain shroud, not the other way around

[vale swift]

i dunno if we can change the bushes actually

[harsh moat]

as someone who has 40/40 color vision i can confirm the camoflague doesnt actually work
its just theres so many bushes you cant see it

[fair raptor]

Both their red coloration would prove otherwise, we can see most camouflaged animals in real life because we aren't stupid
If it can't be done due to technical limitations, then that makes sense

[harsh moat]

the fox is more orange-red and has bits of its body covered in fur that doesnt match the color in any way

[vale swift]

if we had/have the ability to change the shrouds we probably would but i dont think we can change it

[harsh moat]

and the shrouds themselves are more bright red

its very easy to see the differences but theres so many shrouds when it spawns that they cluster up into something you cant see the fox behind

but not because of camoflague

you just
cant see it lol

so more colorful iterations wouldnt destroy anything

[fair raptor]

They're about the same to me, with the darker parts of foxes to blend in with shadows

[vale swift]

i havent played the update enough to know if the camo works

[fair raptor]

The camo works for me personally most of the time

I say most of the time because the game's shading gives their presence away from the distinct outline like every entity is given

[vale swift]

but then again the few times i did play with em the scream it makes when landing at least makes me aware its there

[fair raptor]

Oh yeah, the recent EnemySkinKit update broke coil-head skins

Their bodies are much darker than usual

Thought I'd report that

[harsh moat]

isnt that
one of the skins

the weeping grey one

[fair raptor]

No, I'm using the pink skin for coil-heads on wasteland moons

[harsh moat]

are they outdoors?

[fair raptor]

Their body is like a dark grey, while their head remains the correct pink

[fair raptor]

Indoors, and even illuminated in light, their body is still very clearly incorrect

I know this because I've played with them indoors before the update

[heady gulch]

There was a bug where their nail/spring material and body material was swapped. The recent EnemySkintKit fixed this and thus I assume the coil head skins broke

[fair raptor]

Ye, that's what I'm talkin' about

Oh hey

I have a screenshot of it

Good thing

[vale swift]

that kinda goes hard tho

[fair raptor]

I don't like my coil-heads in fishnets, thanks

Sorry for putting that image into your mind

[vale swift]

what if the coilheads were called freakyheads and they wore fishnets

[heady gulch]

It should be an easy fix once I can continue working on the mod

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/garn47-car-garn-friend-cat-gif-18000602364342289956

[fair raptor]

And they ate ass and sucked to-

Wait a minute, this isn't the Xu Foundation

[harsh moat]

what if i fucking killed you

[harsh moat]

and you

[vale swift]

please do

i hated making the joke

[fair raptor]

He's got both sides of the news with their heads looking in opposite directions

(CallMeCarson reference)

[heady gulch]

Wanted to add here that Vain Shrouds are not supported by EnemySkinKit. I’ve planned the Kidnapper Fox recolors to be different shades of reds eitherway (except any bonus skins)

[fair raptor]

Sad

Wasteland and ice moon colored vain shroud and kidnapper foxes would go immensly hard

[vale swift]

artic kidnapper foxes would go hard

[fair raptor]

Real

[solar cobalt]

greenhouse interior with Vain Shrouds

[abstract forge]

Need a grey Kidnapper Fox, because the design looks very similar to Zeekerss pfp lol

[storm jungle]

@heady gulch I think I figured it out.
It's either the project settings -> Graphics -> HDRP Global Settings -> Frame Settings and switching "deferred" to "forward"
or for each of the Pipeline Settings Assets in the Settings folder you switch "Deferred Only" to "Forward Only"

This is why I hate game engines. Get ready to waste hours of your life looking for one check box.

[heady gulch]

Where would I find this Settings folder?

Unless i'm blind

[storm jungle]

Subfolder of assets.

[heady gulch]

o ic

[abstract forge]

That might be an issue due to Imperium

[heady gulch]

yea, uh

[abstract forge]

I've seen some say Imperium causes some visual issues from time to time

[heady gulch]

Nah I think I genuninenly may have messed something up

Because i've always used imperium when testing the mod since its creation

[abstract forge]

Ah

[storm jungle]

Okay.
I have no idea why it has to be configured in this specific way, but...
Try setting it to forward in the project settings.
Setting it to deferred in the pipelines EXCEPT the last one (perfomant)

[heady gulch]

Including this one?

[storm jungle]

There should just be balanced, high fidelity, and performant.

[abstract forge]

Because Zeekerss

XD

[storm jungle]

Where's that last one?

[heady gulch]

This folder in the settings folder

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-light-turn-into-a-light-gif-15398439

FINALLY

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/eustace-courage-the-cowardly-dog-courage-dance-eustace-bagge-gif-12700818999927592456

[storm jungle]

Sorry for inadvertently putting you through that shit.
I don't wish this kinda crap on my worst enemy.

Last one is forward in my project, by the way.

[shut sable]

good work troubleshooting all of that

may it serve as a pillar of wisdom henceforth

[heady gulch]

No need to apologize, thank YOU for all the help and troubleshooting! I definitely would not have found this out by myself. Bless

The only thing I can't wrap my head around from all of this is why this suddenly became an issue? But oh well

[storm jungle]

I already had the pillar of wisdom. That's why I'm writing a renderer. Or I was.

[tired citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-flex-tape-secret-tape-jon-tron-gif-14074800

PEAK 🗣️, i was here

[storm jungle]

I would've had to figure it out eventually. I made these tools for a reason, and I've been cooking something.

[abstract forge]

I'm excited cus we'll finally get an update for this mod lol

[tired citrus]

we are got the sync between host and client, which was one of the biggest

but this one is big too

[heady gulch]

Please, continue to cook. It's literally peak

https://tenor.com/view/cozinhando-igor-cartas-cooking-chef-gif-17927021

[tired citrus]

remember when the skins variations were just colors and didn't have texture lol

[heady gulch]

Noooooooo.....

[harsh moat]

LMAO

bro looks like he was 3D printed

[storm jungle]

Well that's unfortunate. Why on god's green earth would the spider be any different?

[storm jungle]

It's working on my end. Did you set that last one in the Default Resources Folder to "forward?"

[heady gulch]

Oh my bad lol it was in reference to what Leafar said

That's what the spider used to look in the very early stages of the mod

No normal map

[storm jungle]

Ohhh

[heady gulch]

It's working perfectly fine now :)

Also the last one I have set to deferred but it doesnt seem to make a difference

forward or deferred

[storm jungle]

Wacky. I should probably figure out which ones actually change things and update the readme.

[heady gulch]

Okay, wait, no. It's exactly as you said

Frame Setting (in Project Setting) on Forward, Balanced & High Fidelity Pipeline Assets on Deffered Only, Performant Pipeline Asset on Forward Only

And HD Render Pipeline Asset(?) on Deffered Only

This is how I have it right now

My bad for the confusion

[young valley]

the voidcracker

tbh "all-black" skins for each enemy that spawn really rarily would be epic

[harsh moat]

if the voidcracker is made into a real skin i will delete every atom of oxygen in the universe

[heady gulch]

(not pitch black but... y'know)

[abstract forge]

I like it

[harsh moat]

this isnt what i was thinking of in terms of "void"

i was thinking more like edgy sonic OC with demon god powers of the essence of shadow

and white glowing eyes

and its scary

and when it kills you you see a splatter of hyperrealistic blood

[heady gulch]

and instead of marching music its scary generic chase music

and he has voice lines like "im gonna kill you"

[harsh moat]

yeah like the unknowns theme from dead by daylight

[vale swift]

"i am going to jeff the kill you"

[abstract forge]

Would need to be voiced by @wind berry lol

[young valley]

make it happen 🙏

[heady gulch]

But yeah, with the post processing issue fixed, I'll be continuing with pushing for the next update as full release. Kidnapper Fox may have to come in a later update maybe because their material is a can of worms, but Barber and Tulip Snakes are for sure getting their sets of recolors, as well as those bonus skins I teased a while back

I'd expect the full release to come in a few days to a week assuming no more delays

[young valley]

Im excited for Barber recolours

[harsh moat]

if you do blacklight barber what color would their gloves and actual sharp scissors part be?

[heady gulch]

Actually, I did toy around with that one idea specifically though i'm not sure it's exactly what you meant. Give me a moment to find the screenshot

I just left the gloves and scissor blade white

(no post processing cuz this was before i fixed it)

[harsh moat]

yeah i think the gloves need to be a different color

this scheme is cool but just it isnt really popping like real blacklight stuff does

[vale swift]

yeah i was just telling him about it

[heady gulch]

Maybe if i gave it the unlit shader like the ghost girl but idk

[harsh moat]

no i dont mean try to make it be bright like if you shun a UV light on it

blacklight stuff without UV can still achieve the same "popping bright in your face" effect

but if you want that (which would be the better idea to try overall) then at least the gloves need to be a different color

the blades can stay metal
i would say pink or orange would look best

or if you want to keep the similar colors you can try regular blue

[heady gulch]

Hm... I look into it when I get to the barber again

[young valley]

out of all the enteties, color variety for the barber feels like it makes the most sense, and also feels vanilla. The whole fact that its a "clay" surgeon

[harsh moat]

the problem with the barber is how simplistic its design is
this causes two things

• you cant really connect it to as many other things that have a similar appearance
• just making it be different colors wouldnt feel as unique as the other monsters

[fair raptor]

Why you so small boy

[harsh moat]

it works better for thumpers for example because its an unnatural thing and applies proper "skin vibes"

[fair raptor]

Dawg

[harsh moat]

but the barber being so simplistic in design means just changing its body to red only doesnt really make it stand out as much

[young valley]

stop exposing me 💀

[fair raptor]

I know........................,,

[fair raptor]

Give it the red and green Klay World colors lol

[vale swift]

i personally like how simplistic the barber is

[vale swift]

oh my god

https://tenor.com/view/gumby-gumbi-gif-17976653

gumby color...

[fair raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/hyena-laugh-happy-suspicious-concern-gif-26149144

[harsh moat]

another problem is recognizability
if you wanted to make a barber skin in reference to klay world no one would make the instant connection

[fair raptor]

It would be funny

[harsh moat]

gumby works better but its like

it kind of destroys immersion when you see it a lil bit

[fair raptor]

How?

[harsh moat]

i know a lot of people who play modded lethal could give less of a shit because its impossible to play without goku bracken or whatever

but still going up to a barber and just seeing gumby

its really jarring

[fair raptor]

I wouldn't exactly call the toy blue old bird immersive either

[harsh moat]

that at least makes sense

[fair raptor]

I don't mean literally the character design

[harsh moat]

zeekerss implies heavily old birds are connected to the toy robots

[fair raptor]

Just the colors

[fair raptor]

They're reused from the Upturned, so that's kind of debatable

[harsh moat]

then you wouldnt be able to tell its meant to be gumby

[vale swift]

but we'd just be making it green like gumby?

[fair raptor]

A homage would still be funny :3

[fair raptor]

(The old bird's concept art doesn't include the toy robot either)

[harsh moat]

their body design is similar
they both play sensory distracting music
the robot is one of the highest spawning scrap on embrion

[vale swift]

also a handful of our skins are references like all of the worms are a reference to something

[fair raptor]

Oh yeah that too

[harsh moat]

zeekerss also refers to the old birds audio files as "brainwashing"

[fair raptor]

I have the earth leviathans on wasteland moons as the worm from Beetlejuice lol

[harsh moat]

implying the toy robots were meant to make you feel more comfortable approaching an old bird

[fair raptor]

Nobody's going to feel comfortable approaching a tank just because they saw a toy tank a lot during their childhood

Tf

[harsh moat]

the earth leviathan skins i can get behind being referrences because they were added in a way the connection can be done but still feel like a natural skin tone the leviathans would maybe have

[fair raptor]

There are other options for the earth leviathans if you don't like the silly ones

[harsh moat]

its just implication
too many coincidences in design to just not be a thing

im not saying a pastel green barber wouldnt be natural btw

[fair raptor]

Barbers aren't even natural in the first place

[harsh moat]

im saying if its just that some wouldnt see it as gumby

[fair raptor]

So? This mod's about variety, and just because a green color is an inside homage to something doesn't take away from the skin's purpose

Who cares anyway?

Why should they?

[vale swift]

oh yeah thats kinda our goal with the references its kinda like "oh if you get it then its neat" but if you dont then its just a funny green barber

[fair raptor]

If you don't like it, just don't use it

[vale swift]

like i have no clue if people could tell that the white worm is a reference to star wars

but it is

[harsh moat]

im not saying i wouldnt like it

im just saying why i think barber skins are harder to make

disregarding the map for it being awful

[harsh moat]

i got that it was and i dont even watch star wars so

[fair raptor]

I knew it was a reference to something

[harsh moat]

you win i guess

[fair raptor]

There should be a graboid skin for the earth leviathan

I love Tremorss

[harsh moat]

i love lethal company

[fair raptor]

Does making custom skins require like any special knowledge

Or can I just digitally paint over the textures

[vale swift]

you can paint over the textures but you gotta know how the textures work or else youre gonna get something that looks really off

like youd need to know how the textures wrap around the model

[fair raptor]

Oh yeah I've modelled before so I know that

[vale swift]

yeah thats essentially it tho

[fair raptor]

Essentially? What else is there?

[vale swift]

youd have to ask @heady gulch as hes the one doing most of em but it seems fairly simple enough

but mostly what he does is just change the colors in photoshop

tho we have a few skins that were drawn on

or have extra details

like the beetlejuice worm which was just drawn on

[fair raptor]

The rest are just hue changes then?

[vale swift]

yeah essentially a lot of them are just hue changes

[fair raptor]

I can tell

No offense-

[vale swift]

the ones i can say off the top of my head that arent are the spore lizards

[fair raptor]

Really?

[harsh moat]

LIKE THE MOON FROM LE

[fair raptor]

No ❤️

[vale swift]

yeah the spore lizards have more to em than just a hue change

[fair raptor]

Were they painted with Blender or an editing app like Photoshop?

[vale swift]

they were painted in an art program

but i dont remember the name of the art program right now

@solar agate is the one who does a lot of the bonus skins or some of the more detailed ones

[solar agate]

Clip Studio Paint (CSP)

[vale swift]

like here is Dragon Green compared to the base spore lizard

also the camo nutcracker was drawn on

[tired citrus]

Ideas for Barber:

• Red Body and Blue Scissor (Swapped Colors)
• Pepsi-Man
• The Spot (Spiderman)
• No-Face

They don't really make much sense with the Scissor but they're simple and more interesting i would say

[spiral rain]

slendermang..

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/drink-pepsi-drink-pepsi-pepsiman-pepsiman-drink-gif-25976386

[tired citrus]

Slenderman is also cool

[vale swift]

we've spoke about this one

maybe itll happen

[harsh moat]

cease and desist from pepsico coming soon

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-colors-copyright-laws-sonic-the-hedgehog-sega-gif-23872736

[tired citrus]

But it would look very ugly i think 😅

[spiral rain]

yeah it was a joke lmaoo

red barber'll just look like banban

https://tenor.com/view/banban-silly-dance-garten-of-ban-ban-gartenofbanban-gif-10903016504527872545

[tired citrus]

LOL

[spiral rain]

which is rlly funny

[vale swift]

i dont want a red barber anymore

[tired citrus]

We need a red barber now

[vale swift]

public execution of the red barber

[spiral rain]

then you can't make him green either cuz that's THE GOAT

https://tenor.com/view/jumbo-josh-cross-burn-gif-13717345632312142362

JUMBO JOSH

[tired citrus]

Make him invisible, leave it just floating scissors

[vale swift]

https://tenor.com/view/jumbo-josh-rabbids-garten-of-banban-poop-wacky-chat-gif-2204386253325145970

[spiral rain]

https://tenor.com/view/garten-of-banban-sonic-adventure-2-sonic-the-hedgehog-city-escape-sa2-gif-2500277271899021801

[vale swift]

im going to kill the barber

[tired citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/xafer-trollgentleman-trollface-troll-gif-10531994125107892258

[young valley]

matter of fact, you can't make the barber any color because they will just look like banban characters

just make the barber invisible

[vale swift]

yeah invisibarber is our best option now

[heady gulch]

I wanna say here that drawing patterns on the Barber may be a challenge

Because he actually looks like this when going to edit his map

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-meme-spongebob-screaming-spongebob-screaming-run-away-gif-4374785819174740755

[shut sable]

if you wanted to make a barber skin in reference to klay world no one would make the instant connection
klay world is like the first thing the barbers reminded me of

imo it feels kind of intentional and i know im not the only one to draw that connection either

[harsh moat]

well i more so mean the specific characters

if you just make a red barber some wont immediately see it as the red clay figure from klay world

and some may not at all

[shut sable]

if you get rid of the alpha channel you can edit it like this

and then just reapply the alpha channel later

it's still a scattered mess though

so good luck figuring out how everything connects, i guess

[heady gulch]

It’s atleast somewhat better than drawing with the alpha channel over it, ty

[shut sable]

unrelated aside

the barber uses a mask map to define smoothness/metallic of parts of its texture

so its scissor blades can be metallic but the rest of its body isn't, etc.

you can apply that mask map to the barber itself (once you fix the alpha channel) which results in this coloration

might make for a cool bonus skin perhaps

[heady gulch]

Ooo I could maybe toy around with that

While you’re here actually— do you know what’s going on with how the Kidnapper Fox’s material works? Because when ripping it the material just shows as an internal error shader to me

I know his fur around his body has that weird wavy effect to them

[harsh moat]

i like that the scissor blades also got changed from it

[fair raptor]

Rubber hose barber

I love that, actually

[harsh moat]

i see it more as ashy

[heady gulch]

[steel raft]

Tulip snakes??? Holy moly I thought enemyskinkit wasn't gonna add support for those!!

[heady gulch]

The only ones not getting skins next update is likely the Kidnapper and still the Hygrodere

Kidnapper is just because I can't get a look at their material because it's an err for me

And Hygroderes because they're... whack

[young valley]

I need pink hydrogere

[heady gulch]

Oh you'll get a pink hydrogere alright

[harsh moat]

L fox

[harsh moat]

actual surgeon?

[heady gulch]

The most important added feature

[vale swift]

also wont be used as was made for fun

[trail marlin]

At the very top of saw someone suggest diff color enemys have something different about them if that's being made or is made as optional here's another idea ontop of the ones the guy made

Black: makes little to no noice (if so it's muffeled) and since braken is already black you could give it red eyes

[steel raft]

WOOOOOO

[steel raft]

Wait no :(( I like the colored spider words

[vale swift]

the words will be colored but the icon wont be used

[steel raft]

HELL YEAHH

I use arachnophobia mode so it always makes me sad that I can't see the special colors

[fair raptor]

Don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it don't say it

[harsh moat]

i guess you could say they really cut the competition

[fair raptor]

Barber in Smash Bros be like

[shut sable]

oh me oh my

no matter what happens i sure do hope we don't get a barber palette that uses these exact colors

as i can't possibly think of anything imaginably worse

[fair raptor]

I don't get it

[shut sable]

oh me, oh my, he's here

[harsh moat]

i feel like i should know what this is

[solar cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-bucket-team-fortress-tf-gif-15812649

[harsh moat]

ok

now i feel stupid

im glad because i have to daily

[steel raft]

I don't understand

what does this mean

[heady gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/business-man-leon-short-gif-21636355

[young valley]

Is it that clay guy

Lemme get an image

[fair raptor]

I like how Gumby looks nothing like the barber

[heady gulch]

Hey everyone! I'm happy to announce that I've pushed the full release of ColorfulEnemyVariety to the Thunderstore!

This version is SEPERATE from the previous version that's been on Thunderstore called ColorfulEnemyVarietyWIP, uninstall that one and look for ColorfulEnemyVariety or you WILL get conflict errors. (I will be Deprecating the WIP one soon)

• Added skins for the Barber and Tulip Snake
• Seperated bonus skins from ColorfulEnemyVariety (READ BELOW)
• Added 1 more skin for each enemy to substitute the removal of bonus skins (5 Skins each total)
• Changed a lot of skin names to fit more to their actual colors and enemies
• Remade all of the Bracken's skins
• Bunker Spider skins now have different colored "SPIDER" text in arachnophobia mode
• Fixed Coilheads having their materials applied incorrectly after a EnemySkinKit update
• Old Bird skins will now show on inactive Old Birds
• Improvements to the README to make it more concise and compact
• Probably some other changes I'm not remembering off the top of my head

Some of the new skins may be subject to change. Skins for the Kidnapper Fox will come at a later date whenever I can figure out their material.

Yes, I know the asset bundle size is kinda big. I will make attempts at reducing the asset bundle size without a major loss in quality whenever I can.

---

You may notice from the above notes that bonus skins are no longer in Colorful. That is because I'm going forward with the plan of splitting them into their own mod, ExtraEnemyVariety, which has also been pushed to the Thunderstore.

In addition to having almost* every bonus skin from Colorful, it also comes with 4 new ones.

• Birch Keeper (Forest Keeper)
• Black Widow (Bunker Spider)
• Forest Camo (Nutcracker)
• Blooming Tulip (Tulip Snake)

*Toy Old Bird and Cosmos Purple Bracken need to be remade and will be reintroduced at a later date

It's very likely that all current bonus skins will be possibly given revisions with altered sounds and/or improvements now that they are their own mod.

Colorful Enemy Variety (& Extra Enemy Variety)

Please let me know if you encounter any skin issues or discrepancies with the mods! I had to practically build the project back up from scratch. I will not be adding any more recolors for existing enemies in Colorful as I am now considering the mod complete skins-wise. Maybe some tweaks and changes down the line, and of course more skins for any future entities added to Lethal Company once EnemySkinKit is compatible with them

From now on, the focus will mostly be on ExtraEnemyVariety as me and my friends kinda just wanna do whatever kinds of skins we think of and create skins more unique than just basic recolors. Think of it as a more experimental version of ColorfulEnemyVariety

[harsh moat]

im so sad i cant play this right now

ive had power out for like 4 days

[heady gulch]

Complete Skin List for ColorfulEnemyVariety
https://imgur.com/a/colorfulenemyvariety-skins-list-IyfYB5d

Complete Skin List for ExtraEnemyVariety
https://imgur.com/a/extraenemyvariety-skins-list-Ax8e6I6

[fair raptor]

You... removed bonus skins?

[heady gulch]

Originally the skins with more detail and effort were called bonus skins

Now they've all been moved to their own mod (ExtraEnemyVariety)

[fair raptor]

Oh, okay, good

[vale swift]

yeah that way we can make more detailed skins and not put as much of a limit on ourselves

[heady gulch]

Yeah, Colorful is pretty much considered complete as is

[tired citrus]

i'll have to set up the skin probabilities again?

[heady gulch]

Pretty likely, not sure though

[fair raptor]

Oh lord...

I hope not

[heady gulch]

Eventually I had to get rid of the WIP in the name

[vale swift]

we might go back and change some things or add skins to our favorite enemies the nutcracker my beloved

but as it is

its done

[harsh moat]

yeah you have to redo skin probabilities

[heady gulch]

No promises on more skins for colorful, Disco has been budging me for it

[vale swift]

the nutcraker my beloved

[harsh moat]

why is nutcracker the most.. skinnable?

[vale swift]

hes funny

and honestly the easiest to work on imo

[fair raptor]

Because nutcrackers are decorations irl, so anything that doesn't make sense can be slapped upon it

[harsh moat]

its ok you can make skins based off of real life nutcrackers and make them not the easiest at all