[v81] Half Life Black Mesa Moon + Interior

[civic canopy]

Is dungeon generation plus an absolute must? Im sure it makes the generation on mesa more manageable but it prevents the mineshaft from spawning and also it removes the network path from main interiors

[knotty grove]

I also tried to send you a joke message about the miners of the bc word but the automod shot me down

[knotty grove]

This is the first time I heard of this

[civic canopy]

Well it "removes" the network generation by equally distrubuting tunnel paths (on main interiors)

Which is fine, but imo it kinda ruins the sense of being deep inside the building

and after installing it I didnt see the mineshaft a single time

[knotty grove]

Later tonight I can see if I can replicate that issue. But in case I don't, can you send me the mod list

My mod should never be modifying the vanilla interiors. Though admittedly this was tested before the mineshaft was implemented

[civic canopy]

Oh word? i didnt realize you made the mod lol

Sorry if im coming off blunt

[knotty grove]

Lol don't worry. I'm a normal dude it cool

[civic canopy]

I honestly thought that was the entire point of the mod was to balance out the paths instead of having one main direction to go

as posted in the descritpion

I think this on me honestly

Placebo effect be crazy

[sacred quiver]

It's for interior devs

[civic canopy]

I mustve just gotten very unlucky with interiors earlier then lol

[knotty grove]

The mod states of the second line

This mod is for interior modders to add to their projects if they so desire. By itself, this mod cannot improve the dungeon generation of vanilla dungeons.

[civic canopy]

imax reading challenge (impossible)

Thank you gys

[civic canopy]

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The only remaining issue is that the mineshaft seems to be unable to spawn, even at the higher odds ive placed it at. Ive set it to about 50/50 with the facility on nearly every map and havent pulled that interior once. Only reason I think it may stem from your mod is because this only started happening after the black mesa update (which included dungen plus as a required item)

[north thorn]

would be incredibly bizarre to me if that was related to either mod, DunGenPlus doesn't touch flow weights afaik

but if Raphtalia can repro with the code I guess we'll know one way or another

[opal night]

all good

again, I don't think you would have purposefully made the mod trigger such warning lol

I had been using it a while ago when I played LC more often and it's really great, don't get me wrong

[pastel magnet]

Make better viruses next time raph

Don't disappoint

[tacit lynx]

Whats the config name for this?

[sacred quiver]

LLL

[nova stag]

something in my pack hates black mesa 😭

It took 2 mins to land

[daring swift]

yeah, a few days ago it took a decent bit to land

It wasn't 2 mins but took a bit

but it was quicker the following landings

[north thorn]

huh, might have been unlucky seeds

I would be interested to have a profile code and seed if that happens again though, especially if it takes minutes

that definitely shouldn't happen

I've never had it take more than 10 seconds

worst case

usually it's like a second or less of actual freeze with loadstone

[nova stag]

maybe I should try experimental loadstone?

[north thorn]

I don't think you should need to? I wasn't running it when I played today

just stable

not even sure if DunGenPlus is working on experimental, I think maybe the mod guid changed and compat patches stopped working, but I haven't kept up to date on that

[amber cave]

I've been using the Beta version of Loadstone

It works fine

[north thorn]

nice, that's good to hear

[vapid pendant]

Finally got to check this out ingame last night. Really great job you guys

Is that vent stuff as annoying as I’m imagining it is

[sacred quiver]

In what way?😂

[vapid pendant]

I couldn’t fully tell but it can connect between different tiles ya? Or is that one big tile

Also shoutout the red light behind that one big fan. I see you

[sacred quiver]

There's an intersection tile and a larger intersection tile, we plan to do more but those will be a bit more ambitious

they can only spawn off of tiles that have a vent connection in them, they act as an in between tile

Unless you are talking about the vents under the super warehouse (the really large warehouse tile) that's part of the tile itself

[vapid pendant]

Heard heard 👍

[uneven stream]

Glad you got to check it out liked it Batby!

And yeah those vents are just + shaped but hide the unused parts 😄

[vapid pendant]

@north thorn just wanted to confirm something, in basegame landmines cant explode from being shot, yeah?

need to sanity check confirm what we talked about

[pastel magnet]

si

shotguns and landmines are stupid

and i think the other hazards are also stupid since they dont make use of IHittable

like the shotgun GETS IHITTABLE, AND JUST USES ENEMYAICOLLISIONDETECT

zeekerss i beg you

[vapid pendant]

@pastel magnet @north thorn getting fixed next update

[pastel magnet]

next lethal update?

[vapid pendant]

ya

[pastel magnet]

👀

i can get rid of this patch, nice

[sacred quiver]

That is so sick

[pastel magnet]

if i had requests for zeekerss it'd probably be a bunch of mini requests

stuff like "put the spike roof trap hazard on the maphazard layer please"

[vapid pendant]

I really try and pick my battles with what I @ him about for that kinda reason lol

[pastel magnet]

yea

oh it would be so nice if landmine used IHittable too, think that's another thing i noticed

[sacred quiver]

I would love it if items that have no item group didn't just spawn in any item group, makes custom spawn locations for specific scrap not really doable without all custom scrap or some script

[pastel magnet]

sorry but would ruin all modded scrap right now :/

[sacred quiver]

Oh I guess you're right 😦

[vapid pendant]

it does

[pastel magnet]

unless lethallib was updated to handle that

[pastel magnet]

ill recheck rq just incase im crazy

[pastel magnet]

nope it doesnt

it inherits ihittable

for only hitting it

but not for dealing damage

[vapid pendant]

huh

[pastel magnet]

it actually caused his SpawnExplosion function to be really complicated

[vapid pendant]

ohhh i see

[knotty grove]

i tested your mod pack, and i was able to load in mineshaft just fine

[vapid pendant]

can u refresh my memory on the problem here

in my head im like cant you just make a custom itemgroup

[knotty grove]

wait wait @vapid pendant am i reading this correctly

[pastel magnet]

items that have no item groups can spawn in all item groups

[knotty grove]

is shotgun gonna use IHittable?

[pastel magnet]

including custom ones

[vapid pendant]

ye

[sacred quiver]

You can, but then most of the vanilla scrap just spawn in your custom item group. Even if you don't want them to

[knotty grove]

real Zeekers W

[vapid pendant]

seems like something a JLL/LethalToolbox could lowkey fix

[knotty grove]

wait, does shovel use IHittable too, I forget actually

[sacred quiver]

My current planned solution is to just have all custom scrap and have no vanilla ones

But it'll be a lot of work

[pastel magnet]

that one's actually fine

it's just landmine and shotgun

and maybe spiketrap

turret makes sense cuz its just meant to hit players

[vapid pendant]

code probably isn't too bad here maybe

[sacred quiver]

Yeah Zaggy was thinking it might not be

[pastel magnet]

yeah spike trap is hard coded to just kill instantly and doesnt use ihittable

[knotty grove]

bro i must have been mega high

[pastel magnet]

everyday

[knotty grove]

I didn't code my scarlet doors with IHittable so at least the shovels could recognize them

[pastel magnet]

[knotty grove]

I patched both the shovel and shotgun to do a raycast when really only the shotgun needed it, God I'm such a bad coder

[pastel magnet]

i made an AI that doesnt use enemy, player, etc code, only ihittable, and had to patch the rest of the game to make anything that harms the player normally also harm that AI, hence why i know that spike traps, turrets, shotgun and landmines are the only things that dont use IHittable properly

also misc changing the layers of maneater and spiketrap to make em work better

[knotty grove]

The shit we do to make funny mods

[pastel magnet]

have u seen the puppets i made, so funny

[knotty grove]

I love puppets, shows me

[pastel magnet]

ill take a video in a sec

[north thorn]

oh very cool

glad to see that change made

[knotty grove]

dats cute

[pastel magnet]

the fun part is spawning 20 of him and getting 20 dolls following you

[knotty grove]

this is the content we truly needed

[north thorn]

wait the one with the suit

[pastel magnet]

there's a lethal company suit, a zort suit, a duck song suit, a redwood suit, and a shockwave gal suit

they're beautiful

[idle cargo]

i know it aint it, but

https://tenor.com/view/purple-guy-markiplier-fnaf-the-musical-random-encounters-five-nights-at-freddy's-gif-10641241727271179079

[lone rain]

Do I need to manually add the dungeion interior to teh moon?

I've gone to black mesa moon twice yet have yet to see the custom interior

[sacred quiver]

Any chance you can share a log? It should just work

[lone rain]

Could entirely be my fault. Some mods may not be fully up to date

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[sacred quiver]

@north thorn Any idea what could be causing the Diffusion profile not to load? ```[Error :Black Mesa Interior] Diffusion profile mappings were missing
at BlackMesa.Scriptables.DiffusionProfileMappings.Apply () [0x00008] in <a37e746df9a048339525a3a429c5ced8>:IL_0008
at BlackMesa.BlackMesaInterior.Awake () [0x0024a] in <a37e746df9a048339525a3a429c5ced8>:IL_024A
at UnityEngine.GameObject.Internal_AddComponentWithType (UnityEngine.GameObject , System.Type ) [0x00000] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0000
at UnityEngine.GameObject.DMDUnityEngine.GameObject::AddComponent (UnityEngine.GameObject , System.Type ) [0x00000] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0000
at BepInEx.Bootstrap.Chainloader.Start () [0x00000] in <fe49c90fe8e24102b42489c11910c71c>:IL_0000
at UnityEngine.Application..cctor () [0x00000] in <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0000
at UnityEngine.NVIDIA.GraphicsDevice.CreateGraphicsDevice () [0x00000] in <8b7c6f2080284d638f016bf77f9ad0ca>:IL_0000
at UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.DLSSPass.SetupFeature (UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.HDRenderPipelineGlobalSettings pipelineSettings) [0x00000] in <b8abf62aeac646cea5c5cde032ff9314>:IL_0000
at UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.HDRenderPipeline.SetupDLSSFeature (UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.HDRenderPipelineGlobalSettings globalSettings) [0x00000] in <b8abf62aeac646cea5c5cde032ff9314>:IL_0000
at UnityEngine.Rendering.HighDefinition.HDRenderPipelineAsset.OnEnable () [0x00000] in <b8abf62aeac646cea5c5cde032ff9314>:IL_0000

That would be my guess as to why the interior isn't loading

[north thorn]

Failed to initialize plugin types serialization fix

our check for plugin types serialization doesn't work right for whatever reason

I think maybe I need to make a serializable object instead of a ScriptableObject to check it, but not sure why since the DiffusionProfileMappings are also ScriptableObject

@lone rain use this config for FixPluginTypesSerialization

you need the cached addresses

[sacred quiver]

Perfect, I was just about to ask about that

[north thorn]

I'll see if I can come up with a reliable test

[sacred quiver]

lmk, I can try doing some tests too

[north thorn]

also @ashen aspen any possibility you could submit that PR to https://github.com/xiaoxiao921/FixPluginTypesSerialization sometime soon? it'd be nice if this issue could be fixed properly

although I suppose fixing it doesn't necessarily require the fork

[lone rain]

Fixed it 👍

[amber cave]

How is it that I've not had any issues?

lol

[north thorn]

if you already had FixPluginTypesSerialization installed before Unity changed their servers to not accept HTTP connections, you would have no issues, as you would have already generated the above config

[amber cave]

Ah

So it just fails to create new configs

[north thorn]

it fails to download the Unity debugging symbols to look up function addresses in the Unity player executable

the reason that it tries to download them is because the config doesn't have the cached values

[amber cave]

When did they end up changing it?

[north thorn]

months ago at this point, but I don't know exactly

[amber cave]

I only have it cus LLL added it as a dependency a while ago iirc

Actually I've had it since before that, CSync made it a dependency first then LLL

Any eta on when the fixed build should be reaching Thunderstore?

[north thorn]

♾️

the package that everyone uses is owned by Evaisa, and they are away from the modding scene afaik

so if it will be fixed, I or someone else on the community GitHub will have to set up a build system around the original GitHub repo that it was forked off of and publish it

the version that is on the original repo will work, as it has the cached values stored within the actual assembly instead of relying on the servers

for some reason Evaisa removed that

[amber cave]

Or hopefully get a hold of Eba somehow, I mean she did return from the dead randomly to publish a pr for Lethal Things recently

[north thorn]

I pinged her when I found out about this and heard nothing

maybe I should've done it in DMs but I don't know her lol

[amber cave]

Yeah dm's might be more likely to get a response, she might have this server muted these days

[north thorn]

from my perspective it's better to just set up the community repo regardless

we need this to be maintained, as it's pretty vital for custom content, or at least for those that do more advanced stuff

(and it wouldn't surprise me if that includes JLL)

[amber cave]

Ye

[north thorn]

pushed a fix to github that allows it to check it properly

[ashen aspen]

my fix is actually doesn't work sadly

i would just recommend to update the mod with corrected config file

[north thorn]

oh wait really?

[ashen aspen]

yeah

[north thorn]

so does that mean that the Unity HTTP API isn't available until after the chainloader finishes? or what wasn't working?

[ashen aspen]

yes

[north thorn]

and the patch can't wait until chainloader finishes either?

I guess that as soon as mods start loading assets it will matter whether the patch is applied...

[ashen aspen]

we cannot patch before mods are loaded with unity, because unity requests valid assembly names before loading main initialization

[north thorn]

ah, I see

[ashen aspen]

so yeah the only thing is to hardcode the method offsets

[north thorn]

that's unfortunate

would be nice if the Mono runtime setup they have actually worked for HTTPS lol

at some point I'll just have to make a repo to publish the version from xiaoxiao921's github, that has the offsets built in so it should work out of the box unless people replace their executables

[ashen aspen]

well unity removed https support from mono

and just redirect to unity api

probably to support android or ios idk

[north thorn]

indeed

seems surprising to me if the Mono solution isn't cross platform, but maybe

[north thorn]

lmao what is this chaos

[vapid pendant]

playing casually 😄

[north thorn]

hell yea we love that kind of chaos in LC

[vivid summit]

Hello 🙂
Just a little issue, sometime when i drop loot on the elevator it disappear and only my friend can pick it up.
It seems that I drop item too fast but i'm not sure ^^"
(Also it seem that every time it happen i'm not the host of the game)

[uneven stream]

What version of the mod are you on? The newest? Whenever I've played with my friends we can all see the loot dropped on the floor of the elevator and it seems fine so I'm curious what could be going on here

[north thorn]

yeah that seems really odd, I don't know what would cause that intermittently

if we had some colliders in the way maybe, but I'm pretty sure I fixed it up

would be curious to see if you can repro the issue consistently by dropping items in the same spot

[vivid summit]

Hello 🙂
Sorry for late response, yeah not sure how to reproduce but we use kinda a lot of mods 😒
It's rather consistent has far as I know its when you are not the host
If you wanna try its the "Everyones Modpack" available on thunderstore
(It's kinda outdated we have like 36 update available, but even with the update it still happen)

[candid fox]

is LQ known to cause desyncs with this interior? me and my friends use LQ and i adjusted the map size multiplier, so far all 5 of our visits have been desynced

wondering if theres been any other reports of this, if not maybe its due to something else

[sacred quiver]

Not that we're aware of

[candid fox]

ah interesting maybe its due to something else ive got then

weve got a lot of mods so we kinda expected some weird incompatibilities

[short pollen]

Try setting both LQ and LLL with the same rarity

I had this issue before (a while ago) and that's how I fixed it

[candid fox]

maybe im crazy but i dont think i see map size multiplier in here?

[short pollen]

Only set the spawnrate of the interior

[candid fox]

eh? but its the same interior for us all its just desynced the generation

or can desyncs still spawn regardless maybe im just confused

i havent touched the interior spawn rate so it should be 300 on both

[vapid pendant]

if map size is being modified by LQ and configs aren't 1:1 on all clients desync can happen i think

LLL needs to have better safety in that regard

[candid fox]

thats what i thought at first but i havent touched configs in a while and sent the pack to them several times so they should be 1:1

unless its still not matching them up despite them receiving the pack

which would be odd but i guess that might have to be it..?

whats odd to me though is so far black mesa is the only map we have had desyncs on, despite other maps ive also edited the map size multiplier

[sacred quiver]

That's because this is the moon configuration, not the interior

[candid fox]

which i dont think is the fault of black mesa, probably some weird specific incompatibility

[candid fox]

yeah i checked the interior too but didnt see map size multiplier

[sacred quiver]

Oh the multiplier the for the moon for the interior? It's 2, there's no way to configure that with LLL. I know Central Config can do that

[candid fox]

theres "minimum/maximum dungeon size multiplier" but i believe thats the interior specific dungeon size multiplier

[sacred quiver]

Yeah that's for the interior

[candid fox]

yea

maybe i should just avoid touching map size multiplier but adjust interior dungeon size instead

[sacred quiver]

for the multiplier for the moon, idk if LQ can edit it or not. I've never really used it

[candid fox]

in theory it should but i havent done enough testing to confirm it actually works or not

or if it causes any issues

the way LC generates the map has a multiplier which affects all interiors, then each interior can have a separate multiplier

it considers both

so if you think a specific interior needs smaller generation to be balanced you can individually set it on each moon

[sacred quiver]

🤷‍♂️ If I were to give my recommendations for configuring stuff, I'd recommend just using LLL or CC

[candid fox]

instead of just adjusting the map overall, which just affects all the interiors so it doesnt really "fix" the unbalanced interior

im not sure how complex CC is but LLL is far too base level for me, way too bare minimum

buuuuut i may keep the dungeon size part in mind, ill try removing the LQ config on this map for map size and see what happens next time we play

maybe just adjusting factory size instead will work

[sacred quiver]

CC does mostly everything, doesn't let you edit spawn curves tho. The nice thing imo is that it's all in a normal config file and has the some nice qol stuff for copy and pasting from a spreadsheet if that's your thing

[candid fox]

oh wait its the ingame one, yeah ive used it before but its still a bit too limited, and VERY slow to use ingame

it was nice i just prefer LQs layout in the browser editor

[sacred quiver]

I never noticed, but tbf my pc has really good performance with LC

[candid fox]

it might run better now but it took like 3 minutes to be able to edit anything after startup

i have a large modpack maybe thats why

not sure

[sacred quiver]

Yeah that'll make it slower

this game is very cpu bound

[candid fox]

but yea LQ is instant and you can edit curves for everything, i dont think theres anything you cant edit if im not mistaken

iirc CC also cant edit spawns in any complicated manner, or outside the "intended" place they spawn

[sacred quiver]

It can

[candid fox]

with LQ i can make spiders spawn outside and stuff like that

oh really?

maybe its updated since i last tried thats neat

[sacred quiver]

you can also spawn things based on a ton of factors

like weather

or what the current interior is

[candid fox]

oh cool

[sacred quiver]

If you wanna spawn inside things outside, you just need StarlancerAIFix

[candid fox]

yeye i just dont recall that being a feature at all when i tried it

though granted, that was like maybe a year ago

well maybe not a year

but its been a while

[sacred quiver]

It's been a feature the whole time 🙃 I beta tested it, so idk what you're talking about tbh

[candid fox]

oh wow i guess i just missed it then

ignore me

[sacred quiver]

😂

[wheat shell]

@uneven stream I don’t know if it would work on this interior but do you think you could try adding mimics? I think they would be very nice on this interior. Thanks. https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/x753/Mimics/

[sacred quiver]

Sadly with how our fire exits spawn we can't just add mimics, it'll be a lot of extra work. @knotty grove weren't you working on a patch for mimics?

[knotty grove]

I made an API so it's not as painful to add mimics

but you still have to design your geometery around mimics there's no way around it

[sacred quiver]

So no patch for the non-blocker mimics? That's our main issue, cutting out holes on every fire exit spawn is just too much with 120+ tiles

[knotty grove]

Hmm, let me see what I wrote. It just checks fire exit locations it doesn't matter where you place them.

[sacred quiver]

The cutouts were the deal breaker. Otherwise we'd love to add them

[vapid pendant]

Ideally mimics would use some cool 3d texture and/or rendertexture stuff to comprise on the effect and it not actually use that space

[knotty grove]

ahh ye, mimics are completely based on doorways

i can consult with the modman and work on the API again so it doesn't require a doorway

but not at this time

[sacred quiver]

That's fine🙂 if you end up getting it to not require the doorway, please let us know. We'll gladly add mimics support

[wheat shell]

Why don’t they just spawn where fire exits would normally spawn?

[knotty grove]

it's just how mimics does it, since LC puts their fire exits on doorways

[sacred quiver]

But black mesa doesn't, which is the issue

[knotty grove]

no rhyme or reason, just how it happened

[uneven stream]

tldr there needs to be a rectangular doorway shape cut out of the wall that the mimics get placed

since when you open the door the mouth comes at you from far away

mimics need to have that hole cut out from the walls as it is actually a big rectangular cuboid space that stores that mouth that comes at you

[pastel magnet]

Oh my goodness is that plastered

I thought you died in war

You haven't visited this thread in 30 years

[uneven stream]

I have been dying in coding war T.T

[pastel magnet]

People thought you were a myth

[knotty grove]

where's this sympathy with me Zork

[uneven stream]

I have been in the land of Minecraft AI coding for Cobblemon https://youtu.be/x9vngdmrB9I

[pastel magnet]

"Headcrab? Nah bro there's no one by that name it's just the creature from half somethint" is what they'd say

[uneven stream]

T.T

[pastel magnet]

Um

Am I zork in this case

[knotty grove]

yes

[pastel magnet]

I change my nickname too often

[uneven stream]

xuzorkgaboc

[pastel magnet]

Your sympathy comes when you make a good mo-

[pastel magnet]

That's my name, don't wear it out

[knotty grove]

i can't threaten you since this ain't my thread, you live this time

[pastel magnet]

[north thorn]

someone needs to port Kotlin to the CLR so that Jeff can finally make an enemy himself

this guy is making all this crap in Minecraft and then when he has to write something for LC he's like a fish out of water

[pastel magnet]

Yeah I was looking at his videos and thats literally one of my enemies but minecraft 😭, like he can do it

[sacred quiver]

I'll believe it when I see it 😛

[dim vortex]

:3 (it is the worst ""compiler""******* that has ever been made)

[north thorn]

oh? is that your project and/or is it somewhere online

I'm always curious about stuff like this even if it doesn't work very well yet lol

[dim vortex]

yeah it's a start lol. if I remember correctly the last major road block I had was getting dependencies working. it's not online anywhere lol

[north thorn]

oh? you mean it already builds things?

that's a cool project tho

[uneven stream]

Hahahaha

It is far less scary for some reason lmao

Minecraft modding makes more sense to me than LC modding T.T

[north thorn]

yeah at this point Minecraft probably is a lot more usable to be fair

I'm from the days of Minecraft modding where there was no real support for mods in the game in any form

and I always wanted to do fancy fun stuff

so I had to learn to read obfuscated code very early on

[umbral heron]

minecraft modding has come a long way but thats also because its had something like 15 years to mature

[north thorn]

now that's kinda fun to me lmao

yeah

[umbral heron]

this game only been out for <2 so we haven't quite gotten there yet

[north thorn]

last time I worked on a mod for MC was probalby over 10 years ago

[umbral heron]

same honestly

[north thorn]

I've lost a lot of that code since then too

I wasn't into version control back then

[dim vortex]

not really lol, just the bare minimum to get a hello world

[dim vortex]

it is i just don't have time lol

[north thorn]

gotcha

still a fun thing to try, hopefully you can continue at some point

I haven't ever really gotten into writing languages but watching other people working on it, I bet I would enjoy it a ton

[dim vortex]

if you wanted I could make a repo and invite sometime tonight so you can personally see the horrors lol

[north thorn]

hmm I mean I wouldn't be opposed to seeing what's up but I don't know how productive it would be lmao

I haven't used kotlin myself tbh

still, could be fun

[dim vortex]

alright i sent an invite, i don't even know if it builds in it's current state lmao (im also going to stop polluting this thread now :3)

[slate nova]

Hello, fellow Black Mesa enjoyers. Recently, I've been trying to nerf some aspects of this moon/dungeon a bit because my crew refuses to go anywhere else. I really love this moon, but to be honest, it feels a little unbalanced. We've rarely found less than 4k scrap per day, which seems really strange. However, no matter how I tweak the Lethal Level Loader settings, the amount of scrap remains the same, and the enemy spawn rate doesn’t seem to change much either. Am I doing something wrong? Has anyone else tried to achieve the same results as me?

[umbral heron]

LLL content config is enabled right

[slate nova]

yes, I have set that to true

[north thorn]

I wouldn't have thought there would be anything about Black Mesa that would make it behave any different than any other mod, does such a config work on other moons?

[slate nova]

I have tried it change on assurance and on custom sector 0 moon, in both cases scrap value increased accordingly to set rates and price of moon route updated too, but someone when I try to change it same way on black messa, just route price updates

[vivid summit]

Hello 🙂
What could cause this kind of error :
[08:25:14.8741686] [Error : Unity Log] Main entrance position could not be found. Returning origin.
[08:25:14.8832134] [Error : Unity Log] Main entrance position could not be found. Returning origin.
[08:25:14.8832134] [Info : Unity Log] Main entrance teleport was not spawned on local client within 12 seconds. Locking doors based on origin instead.

[uneven stream]

Generation error possibly and could be a mod conflict maybe

[molten dew]

somehow this interior wont generate inside LLL... it never appears. i cant modify the spawn weight because its not in the LLL config

[uneven stream]

It must be something going on with your other mods as it should work fine with LLL

[plush lantern]

Any shot of offering the moon and interior separately?

[north thorn]

what would the purpose of that be versus disabling one or the other in LLL config? the moon is quite small, so unless you're trying to use only the moon I can't imagine a big benefit

[plush lantern]

oh okay didn’t know the moon was small for memory size

[north thorn]

in RAM it also should be unloaded by LLL automatically, if you're using 1.4+

[wary prism]

I have an odd question, I'm trying to do hazard custom events for BCMER and it requires the prefab name to attempt to spawn them. Is the names for the Barnacle and Tripmine literally just that?

[north thorn]

hmm, depends on the way it looks for them, I guess, since they aren't (currently) part of the level's hazards list

they're spawned separately, on specific spawn points

if it looks for just any old prefab, then I think those names should find them, yeah

[wary prism]

Ah

That might be why it's still having problems then

I think the terminal said something about there being no function to spawn them

[wary prism]

I'd have to run my events again

[north thorn]

yeah, unfortunately at the moment they aren't spawned dynamically, since it would take a fairly custom system for both

[wary prism]

Good to know though!

[carmine tusk]

Is the next update put on hold rn? I know there were big plans, but there haven't been any progress updates or teasers afaik since the last update and I've heard Headcrab is workin on MC now

[north thorn]

yeah nothing big to report just yet

we do have big plans but he has indeed been hacking on Minecraft a lot, and I've been hacking on PathfindingLagFix mostly as well

[carmine tusk]

I see, thanks for the update and best of luck to all of you with whatever projects you choose to work on!

[north thorn]

thanks! I'm sure we'll be back to it at some point

[oak echo]

@uneven stream Hi! Sorry for the direct ping, I was wondering if I can inquire to how one of the materials was made in Black Mesa interior

[pastel magnet]

Which material? I think most of their materials are just ripped from the game

[oak echo]

Some of the materials in the research halls, idk the exact name for it

the materials here with the folds

[uneven stream]

Oh yeah those are just translated from the Black Mesa game

[oak echo]

Ah rip, I'm looking for a lazy way to do this without sculpting and baking haha

[uneven stream]

Converted from source to unity osl I believe haha

[oak echo]

spoiler for what I'm working on but I'm trying to get this look

[uneven stream]

I can share the textures and materials if you would find them helpful, but I imagine you'd want ones that fit your walls better haha

[oak echo]

sure, I sent a friend request to ya

At the very least viewing the raw files I can figure out how to make a replica myself, more helpful than trying to eyeball it

i just dislike using zbrush 😂

[pastel magnet]

this wouldnt be something you'd sculpt

it'd be a texture

[oak echo]

The long approach I'd take would be sculpting the normals information in a tileable, or drown in nodes in Substance Designer

Either way would take a while, sometimes just grabbing a cc0 texture does the job if it already exists

Kinda sorta why I figured to ask what Headcrab's approach was

[north thorn]

one way I can imagine that you might get good results is to use physics simulation to create a high poly mesh that you bake onto a set of textures

but that's pretty involved obviously

should be possible all within blender iirc

[umbral heron]

been a while since i was in here huh,

unfortunately i have an issue

generation hung on the seed screen

idk if its this mod specifically or something else

[umbral heron]

nevermind

it seems to be a weird interaction with lethal quantities

[umbral heron]

yeah it was LQ

false alarm

[umbral heron]

i tried it again with LQ because i found the causes of the other problems i was having, and the same issue still happens, stuck on this log

i don't know if its a problem with this interior or with dungenplus, because i think the interior from Eternal Void also used dungenplus and generated fine with LQ

[sacred quiver]

Are you increasing the size of the interior with LQ?

[umbral heron]

none of the boxes in LQ are checked for black mesa

i did have it added to global settings with nothing checked as a precaution against desync

which i saw in the LQ thread

i'll go get that msg

this one

apparently doing this fixes a desync problem that LQ has

[sacred quiver]

I don't really have any experience with LQ, sorry😅 If I had to recommend something to modify moons and interiors, I'd recommend just using LLL or Central Config

[umbral heron]

yeah i understand

i already do most of my configuration through LLL, i just picked up LQ to change map size multipliers and hazard levels

and i don't want to use CC because it disables other mods' functionality

[sacred quiver]

You aren't changing the map size multiplier on the Black Mesa moon I assume?

[umbral heron]

nope

i change nothing about black mesa

only through LLL

ok so

i got it to generate correctly with a different setup

[sacred quiver]

What did you end up changing?

[umbral heron]

by disabling the global settings and modifying per-dungeon sizes instead of map size multiplier

basically having dungeon flows checked instead of map size

and this is only for moons i need to change the size on

global settings are empty and any moon that i don't change is untouched

[sacred quiver]

Nice! Glad you found a fix

[umbral heron]

this was the first way i saw that fixes desync, so this will be a fine workaround

unless lq ever gets updated again

[vivid fractal]

there are some vents bugging out with no walls, just an fyi. x.x found it last week, forgot til now.

by bugging out i mean, you can fall into the void because parts of them dont load

[amber cave]

Is this part of sponge de duping if you're using that maybe? Cus some of the textures look like the ones from the slaughterhouse interior

[vivid fractal]

ill have a look at it without sponge being installed tomorrow.

[amber cave]

Just disable de duping if you have it on

in Sponge's settings

[vivid fractal]

ok, will do.

[north thorn]

yeah we don't have a lot of vent tiles and I've never seen that in a fair amount of play time, that seems very strange if it's not something else interacting

[umbral heron]

It's probably just sponge dedupe

This sane thing happened with manor entrance room a bit ago

[north thorn]

I would certainly believe it

translation and scale in the black mesa models is a little weird so it makes sense it would be out of place if it got replaced with another asset

[vivid fractal]

tried with deduping off, and it does seem to fix the issue, will let you guys know if i see the issue again with deduping off, thanks

[quiet lichen]

how do you get to the resonance cascade room, i can never find it lol

[umbral heron]

its just a rare spawn

like the apparatus room

[quiet lichen]

ya with the meltdown

[sacred quiver]

It's always at the end of the lab path

[north thorn]

you'll usually also end up fairly close at one fire exit, so if you check all of them you may find it more easily

each fire exit is on a different path

[frigid fox]

for some reason, if I have anyone else in the lobby i can't leave this moon. It gets stuck in orbit with the doors shut, and this appears in my friend's logs, but not mine. Our configs and mod list were the same so idk what's wrong and why specifically this moon. Any ideas?

if need be, here's the mod list

[sacred quiver]

Can you send the full logs?

[frigid fox]

LethalStatsLC, Diversity, GraphicsAPI, BetterEXP and Imperium were off

[frigid fox]

we closed the game, are they still there or do they disappear when the game is closed?

[sacred quiver]

If you haven't started a new session the logs will still be there

[frigid fox]

ok, where are they? will have to tell my friend where to look cause it's on his end

[sacred quiver]

Any chance you're using Gale? There's a dedicated button for it. Otherwise they are found in \AppData\LocalLow\ZeekerssRBLX\Lethal Company It'll be the Player.log file

[frigid fox]

yeah we use gale

[sacred quiver]

Then under File on the top there will be a a button for opening the game's log

[frigid fox]

alr, will have him send the file to me and i'll send here

[sacred quiver]

Thanks, without the logs we really won't be able to tell exactly what the problem is

[frigid fox]

yeah fair, not really sure what's happening here. Hoping no other moons do this though, we didnt get to test every last one but as of now BM is the only one to have this issue

[sacred quiver]

It's probably some mod/setting conflict

[frigid fox]

his log

also worth noting, after he left the game, the day ended, so that's really puzzling for me

[sacred quiver]

Is this the host's log?

[frigid fox]

no, friend wasn't the host

[sacred quiver]

We need the host's log lol

[frigid fox]

aouh

i may have to clean it

insanityremasteredfix kinda spammed a hell ton, unless you just want me to send it with that spam anyway. It's all below the important stuff i think? idrk

[sacred quiver]

Don't worry about it, spam is common lol

[frigid fox]

yeahh... it may take a few seconds to load the file cause of it though lol

[sacred quiver]

It'll be fine

[frigid fox]

thankfully it does look like the spam started after pulling the lever to leave, so maybe all the important info is above it

[sacred quiver]

I mean my first gut reaction is to try without Insanity Remastered

@north thorn might have a better idea, I'm shocked there's not more black mesa logs

[frigid fox]

probably. Although im not sure why that would be causing it, still with the mass spam it's possible it might be the issue

we can't try tonight but I'll write it down to test tomorrow

[sacred quiver]

Yeah let us know how it goes

[frigid fox]

will do

[ashen aspen]

[04:45:36.0040858] [Error  :LethalLevelLoader] No ExtendedDungeonFlow's could be found! This should only happen if the Host's requireMatchesOnAllDungeonFlows is set to true!
[04:45:36.0040858] [Error  :LethalLevelLoader] Loading Facility DungeonFlow to prevent infinite loading!

interior mod is failed to load

[north thorn]

huh yeah, host log looks like it's not printing anything past BepInEx trying to load it

very very odd

[sacred quiver]

@frigid fox do you have any other interiors in the profile? Looks like LLL can't find ANY interiors

not just black mesa

Or is the error when landing on Black Mesa? I don't think I've ever seen LLL not print the moon you're landing on

[north thorn]

this log should show up if it successfully loads

https://github.com/PlasteredCrab/BlackMesa/blob/master/BlackMesa/Plugin.cs#L118

I'm heading to bed in a moment though so I can't look further yet

[frigid fox]

I am just now remembering I had set a lot of log stuff to error/fatal only to look into some issues and forgot to change them back 😭 If disabling insanity doesn't fix it, I'll reload to get the logs with it set to All and resend the log

Also the error is when taking off. The doors will shut, but the day doesn't end, and the lever says "land ship" if hovered over

[sacred quiver]

Just to let you know, there's no performance benefit to setting the logs like that. I highly recommend just leaving them set to all so that way it's easier to diagnose issues

[frigid fox]

It wasn't for performance, I was looking into a different problem a while ago

Wanted to clear out spam, but forgot to set it back

[sacred quiver]

Still, sometimes the log message you need isn't always an error. This just makes things more confusing lol

[frigid fox]

Well it was an error, I remember that at least

Either way it has to wait until tomorrow, it's almost 2 am rn

I also can't remember the mod that handles that stuff

Was it asyncloggers or something

I forgot which one I changed those in

[sacred quiver]

async loggers does change the logs. I'd definitely check the settings on it

Same with LLL

[frigid fox]

Alr, mustve been the one I edited. I dunno if I touched LLL but I'll check it too

[frigid fox]

sorry almost forgot was playing seven (7) hours of balatro

turning insanityremasteredfix off did not patch the issue sadly

set the logs to All, here's said log

[frigid fox]

Once my friend is on we're gonna try launching on Assurance with the BM interior so we can determine if it's the moon or the interior causing problems, will update after

[frigid fox]

Looks like it's the interior, set the moon's interior to facility and was able to leave it without issue

[uneven stream]

it is probably a mod/conflict

what other mods are you running?

oh nvm I see it

yeah it is probably one of those hundred mods causing an issue for some reason

[frigid fox]

Was nothing of note found in the logs I sent?

[uneven stream]

-# i am bad at reading logs

lol

[frigid fox]

Ogh

I really don't know what the issue could be

I can check my mods, but idk if my friend(s) wanna load fhe game 40 times trying to find out which chunk has the mod causing it

Cause annoyingly nothing happens in solo, it only breaks in multiplayer

[frigid fox]

in some good luck we know the issue is in a specific set of mods

like, i disabled 10 and immediately it stopped happening so now we just have to find out which one it is

[frigid fox]

we found it

It's https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mattymatty/EntranceTeleportOptimizations/ this mod

so ig i'll just turn that off

[uneven stream]

hey glad you found it!

[frigid fox]

Yeah, not sure why it's causing it but at least we know what it is now

[wheat shell]

@uneven stream for some reason leaving the interior and going into orbit with another player causes the game to freeze

[umbral heron]

Wait

[umbral heron]

Does the client's game crash

[wheat shell]

It just freezes

[umbral heron]

hmm

[vapid pendant]

Without logs reports mean nothing

[uneven stream]

That really shouldn't happen, unless it's a new issue with v72

Logs would be helpful

[wheat shell]

I can get logs later today

[balmy pine]

This issue @wheat shell is reporting is news to me. We've been to black Mesa a couple times since v70 and things where fine. Haven't been there in v72 too but doubt v72 small fixes broke it.

Jori ive been noticing you running into A LOT OF ISSUES lately. I really think you should consider letting me help ya make some changes. I know you were hesitant before and didn't seem like you wanted me to do a overhaul of your pack so i didnt push it, but I think at this rate you're gonna need it. V70 seems to have messed up your pack bad.

Now ive only gone to black Mesa a couple times with clients so it could also be we just missed what ever did break Jori just doesn't seem likely to be black Mesa doing it. Logs are important too as a freeze like this can be related to a number of things including a simple item being spawned in thats broken.

[wheat shell]

We have not had that many issues.

The black mesa issue is also new, I’m going to try to diagnose it later today.

[balmy pine]

Ive seen you reporting multiple bugs some of them pretty serious and game breaking. But let me know. Im offering my time and experience to help you out.

[wheat shell]

Issues we had with my pack, past 1 and a half week

• kicking and rejoining causes crash - Figured out it was lethal phones and reported it to the dev, which has released a fix

• Store not working for clients - Figured out it was store tweaks and had it removed

• Poltergeist spamming in console - Reported it to dev and update is on the way

• Sapsucker staying on ship and following us across moons - No idea honestly, but it has not happened since then

• Black mesa - I hope to figure this one out later today

[wheat shell]

I know, I also already removed a couple mods you suggested like gnomes, store tweaks, and who voted.

[balmy pine]

Thats good you've found the culprits to some of those and took some of my suggestions. Just remember if you find more issues I have extended an offer to help.
Now if Black Mesa doesn't reproduce the bug then it is very likely to be an item or an enemy breaking your pack.

[wheat shell]

we could not find the reproduce, sometimes it would happen and sometimes not. But this is the log from when it happened

[balmy pine]

Can not view it from my phone. This screams item or monster/hazards issues. Most likely item. Im a try to get it opened.

@wheat shell saw a few errors in the logs.
Ravensaga logs.
Can't remember the second one.
Scaled fall damage.

One that might be the cause. Lethal Things hand held radar. Do you have a mod that spawns shop items in the interior?

May also have to run the debugger tool to check deeper to find the exact cause if it isnt that shop item. But can say though it did flag an error and scaled fall damage drops a few times in there but doubt the fall damage one is freezing ya. Still would look into making sure its working properly though cause it may need updating.

[wheat shell]

@balmy pine @uneven stream Its the config or another mod because we could not reproduce it in vanilla, it happens 1/4 times here is the last part of the log before the crash happens

also the dead players never respawn

01976175-0375-f169-1bdb-2cc3bdbcdd69

[balmy pine]

Would have to run actual tests on your pack with a debug mod installed to better locate it.

There is something bad in the pack that when it spawns it soft locks your game.

also if someone leaves the game while dead it will also soft lock the game.

Unsure of what causes the last one I mention, but it didn't happen until after v70 update for some weird reason.

[wheat shell]

But it’s only on this interior

[vivid fractal]

define "freeze".. can you still walk around? you just never reach orbit? if so, corrupted player data.

if that is what is it, then..

if everyone leaves except host and you reach orbit, then its the host, otherwise, its the person who left just before it reached orbit, whichever player is causing it, they need to wipe their player data, or at least their exp.

and if its not being unable to reach orbit.. then.. ignore me, just had a hunch as "freeze" is a bit vague for me, and seen this before... though.. never seen it only occur on one moon.. so maybe im just spouting off random knowledge that wont actually help :S

gl!

[wheat shell]

I think never reaches orbit, I had the client go into orbit and have me, the host, die. Then it never got past the respawning of the player, the client said their game froze.

[vivid fractal]

well, the best thing to do would be to test, land, go to orbit straight away, if you dont reach orbit, then try what i said, but if its what i said, it should affect all moons.. except ones where you dont gain exp (like the company), and if its affecting only black mesa, then i guess its not exp.. but maybe something else. i d k

[wheat shell]

also the malfunction from the malfunctions mod happen

sometimes

[vapid pendant]

that log is useless

post a full log or dont report

[wheat shell]

I did post it before if you scroll up. I also posted another message that had a section of the log that was the last couple of line before it crashed.

#1215444909092249672 message

It’s definitely a mod conflict though because it does not happen when it’s just the black mesa mod

It seems to be happening when destroying objects after leaving

Which is weird because it only happens on this interior with my other mods.

[north thorn]

probably more useful to get the crash log and dump

[wheat shell]

Wdym dump

And I post the crash log before

[north thorn]

that's not the crash log, that's the bepinex log

%temp%\ZeekerssRBLX\Lethal Company\Crashes

[wheat shell]

Oh

I can send it later when I get on my pc

[umbral heron]

You just reminded me of something I should do to try and fix my modpacks crashing problem

Thanks I guess? Lol

[north thorn]

lmao you're welcome I guess

it's definitely worth having a look at that first if you encounter crashes

BepInEx logs almost never have anything relevant to crashes, since crashes all happen in native land where BepInEx can't intercept the logs before the executable closes

[neon blaze]

what do you mean by "wiping data"

[vivid fractal]

player data. like player settings, exp, etc, but usually only when one person is the cause tbh

[neon blaze]

How exactly would i go about that

currently whenever anyone tries to go to black mesa, i get stuck before orbit having taken off and then their computers crash. Only when i manually kick them does it go into orbit, and only on black mesa

[vivid fractal]

yeah sounds like they have issues, i forget how tbh x.x

[vivid fractal]

try going to "%appdata%", going up a level, then browsing to this folder, rename the folder to "Lethal Company Old"

it should be this path roughly
C:\Users\[your username]\AppData\LocalLow\ZeekerssRBLX\Lethal Company

then if something is in there causing it, then when you next play this folder will have regenerated, so your game should work, and if it didnt fix it its somethign else, so you can delete the regenerated folder and rename the odl one back to get your config/etc back

[neon blaze]

if this doesnt work then ill just have to delete the moon and interior sadly. Its very well made but its literally ONLY this moon/interior that cause this problem, every other works just fine

[vivid fractal]

there maybe a folder in that folder, for this moon, that has bad data? i d k

[neon blaze]

I think its just cause the moon/interior is broken

[vivid fractal]

i use it and dont have your issue, neither do your friends have the issue? O.o

[neon blaze]

Oh it happens to them too. Just any time this moon tries to be loaded, its a crashaholic

[vivid fractal]

then likely removing that folder does nothing... either way, only happens for you guys so better to provide details like logs and profile code etc... because it doesnt happen to others afaik x.x

[neon blaze]

I looked at the logs and they provide nothing sadly.

[vivid fractal]

as i say, better to provide a log and a code so the person who made the mod can maybe spot something ;o

[neon blaze]

well heres the log and heres the code: 01982629-3ed3-bb09-b01e-e66292315979

[neon blaze]

a "locallow" folder doesnt exist, neither does ZeekersRBLX...

Yeah sadly i think im just gonna have to delete this moon/interior. It sucks because its so well-made, but it is extemely broken

[vivid fractal]

if you go up a level it should, unless your not on windows shrug

[neon blaze]

I am on windows and boss level lol

[vivid fractal]

well, then, i dont know why you dont have a local low folder, you surely have appdata for LC. xD its in some folder there.

[neon blaze]

searched my whole pc, says the files dont exist

its freaking WEIRD man

Minecraft is actually one of the only game files that IS in appdata though so i dont know

[indigo gull]

Hi, I wanted to play this map with a friend but when we launch the ship the game crashes...
I reset the game and its cache, changed launcher, I now use r2modman but nothing works, I still have the problem.

My mod list only contains the map and a cheat for the credits and their dependencies. (not working with only the map also)

Can you help us? Thx you in advance!

fix you need to put Pathfindinglib to the 2.0.0

[north thorn]

I'll hopefully be able to get a fix for that crash out sometime later today

[north thorn]

Fix is going out in PathfindingLib 2.1.2

[neon blaze]

awesome that you fixed it, it was crashing big time for me too a while ago

[north thorn]

curious that you say a while ago, although before the update that broke Black Mesa, there was a crash that affected Bozoros that I know of

if you encounter crashes that aren't attributed to anything yet, feel free to send em in #1324682579496144978

PathfindingLib does a lot of stuff that is prone to causing crashes if I do something silly

[wary prism]

Is Zeranos compatibility on the table at some point?

[north thorn]

not from my perspective, sorry

maybe someday I'll be able to make CullFactory compatible with that, but it's quite tricky to say the least

until then, Black Mesa runs pretty poorly without CullFactory, so I wouldn't want to implement that

also, not sure how that would even work on Black Mesa given how specialized our generation is

[umbral heron]

no interiors utilizing dungenplus work with zeranos yet so theres also that

it's treading in unfamiliar waters

[north thorn]

for sure

I would figure they should be able to work together, but you never know

Zeranos has to do a lot of unorthodox things to make its functionality work

[wary prism]

Kk

Love seeing all the custom interiors

I was just curious, cause I was thinking about trying Zeranos with friends lol

[umbral heron]

The only things aside from bugs and filesize that bugs me about zeranos is that it doesn't choose a new interior flow per floor

It just regenerates the same one over and over

[sacred quiver]

Really? That sounds pretty lame ngl

[wary prism]

Yea I wish it was different per floor

But it is in Alpha, I think where it's at is pretty good for proof of concept

[umbral heron]

Up until recently there were only like 3 interiors that worked with it so now that there's more and we've found that limitation its a little disappointing

Hoping its not a game limitation or something

[north thorn]

it definitely shouldn't be

might be tricky to make it reroll the interior though

should be possible if the roll is just reimplemented which should be easy enough

[umbral heron]

what it seems like is that it does the code for generating interiors + hazard (inside and out) every time it generates a new one, basically repeating the landing process minus setting time, loading scene, landing the ship

so i don't think it would be game restricted especially since LLL doesn't unload interiors in its current state

[north thorn]

yeah that makes sense

[north thorn]

Just a lil update!

Black Mesa 3.2.0

• Reworked the elevator with a new custom component:
  • Elevator now starts at the main entrance level
  • Buttons now respond more quickly
  • Jingle music resumes where it left off instead of restarting
  • Added a dependency on PathfindingLib and SmartEnemyPathfinding to allow masked to use the elevator
• Reworked tripmine explosions to have reduced explosion range, but still kill anything along the laser
• Improved frame timing consistency in the security room
• Fixed an error when a barnacle was deleted through Imperium

[umbral heron]

frame timing consistency?

[north thorn]

before, frame times could vary by as much as 100% I think

basically, I made it so that a consistent number of cameras render per frame so that the frame time isn't jumping up and down depending on which cameras are disabled

would be good to know if people think it feels better or worse, but from my testing, it felt much better to have that consistency

with this update, the number of cameras rendered over time will increase, meaning that the average framerate will be lower, but it should feel less jittery

if the average fps is significantly lower for many people, though, I may make it so that the number of cameras rendered per frame scales with the number of cameras enabled

[uneven stream]

Such a peak elevator update!

Based Zaggy

[analog solstice]

No barnacle toggle smh 😔

[umbral heron]

Get good kiszony

Barnacles are just easier snare fleas

[analog solstice]

It's not like they're difficult
They scare me

[north thorn]

yeah sorry, it wasn't on my important todo stuff and I had a bunch of other little updates to finish

tryna take a break from working on mods for like 16 hours so I don't burn out when I start work lol

[analog solstice]

it's okay, my solopack is overbloated anyway so I won't find a place for black mesa for the time being lol

[idle cargo]

meanwhile, me with 72 interiors

[umbral heron]

Got damn how much ram do you have

[idle cargo]

16GB
i just dont run like 20 programs at once

[umbral heron]

liar

[idle cargo]

id prove it, but i aint home rn

[north thorn]

Black Mesa 3.2.1

• Added LCVR interactions for the elevator buttons
• NOTE: This version still only officially supports v72

I believe for now v73 has to wait for LLL update, but if such an update happens, feel free to ping me (once) so that I can rebuild this for v73 and the new netcode version

[idle cargo]

[uneven stream]

@cosmic rampart

LCVR fixes courtesy of the epic Zagster

[cosmic rampart]

I'll try it out as soon as LCVR and LLL has been updated for V73. 👌

[analog solstice]

We should revive LC_API for v73
Best api ever

[north thorn]

Would be good to know if someone with a VR headset is actually able to hit the buttons, since I don't have a headset to test on myself 😅

but everything is set up how DaXcess suggested, so 🤞

[tired kiln]

I'll go ahead and test this in an hour or so, I've been a bit occupied with fixing FixPluginTypesSerialization for an entire day lol

[tired kiln]

Interactions work in VR. They don't show up in the interactables debug view but that makes sense since they got no renderer.

[north thorn]

yee I didn't add one since the collider was already the correct size, so I wasn't too concerned with visualizing it

thanks for checking! 🫡

[mortal arch]

73 patch is out for LLL

[north thorn]

oh yuh I'll try and see how much work it is to update tomorrow

hopefully all I gotta do is update the RPCs and not touch the assets

[north thorn]

Black Mesa Version 3.2.2

• Updated to support v73, breaking support for v72

[mortal arch]

WOOOOOOOOOOO

[umbral heron]

you should probably update your thread title to v73

[sacred quiver]

@uneven stream

[mortal arch]

Oi

[uneven stream]

[v73] Half Life Black Mesa Moon + Interior

[uneven stream]

DONE

Based @north thorn

[north thorn]

[mortal arch]

I can't wait for what comes next

[sharp compass]

me too, norman tingle toes

https://tenor.com/view/shironeko-cat-holding-a-flower-shironeko-sleepy-cat-holding-a-flower-silly-cat-sorry-gif-2983801009814780729

cant wait

[pastel magnet]

im done waiting

[mortal arch]

You're pissing me off and ruining my mood

[mortal arch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969438040613351514/1427499424359387196/ScreenRecording_09-15-2025_1-53-36_pm_1.mov?ex=68ef15f0&is=68edc470&hm=d9b0928db72c923f94ebcc2435c2413ede56154ac02692a6a9d76dbddd5d309b&

[sharp compass]

villain arc

[analog solstice]

elevator is host-only btw
can't access as clients

[north thorn]

oh weird, when host activates it does it move?

I swear I tested some networked stuff to make sure it was working, guess I'll have something more to look at when I'm home tomorrow lol

[analog solstice]

yes
for host is completely fine

[north thorn]

but only for them? or for everyone?

[analog solstice]

host = elevator access: granted
client = elevator access: denied

@amber cave you tell them

[pastel magnet]

Zaggy is asking if it moved for u guys

Or just for the host

[analog solstice]

yes

it moves normally

just the buttons are... nope, you won't drive anywhere unless you kindly ask the host

[pastel magnet]

:p

[analog solstice]

[amber cave]

It moves for everyone, but only the host can press the button

[north thorn]

strange, I wonder if the annotation for RequireOwnership is broken

doesn't feel like it should take long to fix once I'm home, one would hope

[mortal arch]

One can only hope

[amber cave]

Could also just be a vanilla rpc that changed if you're relying on that, I saw no errors in my host log from people trying to spam the button lol

[north thorn]

hard to say, I gotta look at how I had it set up

I think I rely on InteractTrigger to network to all clients and the host, so we'll see if zeekerss changed some event

[amber cave]

I didn't even notice it was broken til I went down it and Wesley went "Wait how did you do that?" cus apparently he spent like 5 minutes trying to make it work

LMAO

I was like "I just pressed the button"

[analog solstice]

Not just wesley, your whole lobby tried to descend

You just weren't there lol

[storm tiger]

I was spamming it up to when she pressed it and I assumed that spamming it did it for a sec 💀

[analog solstice]

me too

[north thorn]

Black Mesa v3.2.3

• Fixed the elevators not being usable by clients
• Bumped the PathfindingLib requirement to 2.4.1 for v73 support

currently processing

[amber cave]

Btw just curious since Black Mesa felt like it got framier the 2nd time we got it compared to the first and I remember in the past it got framier as the days went on on the Black Mesa moon itself, do you know exactly what causes this? Is it maybe just rng due to the different tile variations that can generate or is it maybe something else? It's not game breaking I am just curious about it

The interior is fucking impressive lol

[north thorn]

it could definitely be rng, hard to say

I haven't really played long games on it in quite a while to be able to speak to that, but maybe you could note down good/bad seeds to test after a restart and see if the performance is comparably different between

I don't really know of anything that could cause a big difference in perf other than generation differences or enemy spawns, I haven't noticed anything sticking around that shouldn't be when I've played it

[umbral heron]

Last I tried (on v72) after you changed the cameras in main it felt about the same

I cant say with any certainty since then because I overclocked and now game runs better than it did back then

When I get back in a week I can try it and see if it runs any worse than usual

[north thorn]

that would be good to know if it feels like there was any regression

and especially if there's some worsening performance over time specifically on Black Mesa, hopefully that's not the case

[warm rune]

I can't imagine there is much that can be done about it, i just think its funny
I guess a blacklist for what enemies can path through vents?? maybe??
Plenty of enemies are fine in Vents, i just think Nutcrackers are fucked because how their LOS works through the walls

[north thorn]

yeah, it's a very tricky problem, there's no real way to blacklist certain enemies

we may be able to add colliders that block line of sight, that was one thing that was on our todo list a while back

[pastel magnet]

Is the navmesh area mask small only too?

[north thorn]

I forget what it was set to, but we found that some enemies that we wanted to go through there couldn't be included while excluding other problematic ones

tbh I think the nutcrackers going in there isn't the issue I'd like to fix, but rather that they can shoot through it

I'm sure that there will be differing opinions on that, but we unfortunately can't make it so that vents only spawn as alternative routes

at least not without writing our own generator

[mortal arch]

It would be nice if at some point most enemies are blocked from being able to go in. It kinda fucks the immersion and doesn't make much sense.....except for snare fleas and lootbugs.....or anything else small really.

Especially because personally I have the instinct of going in to avoid or hide but it just gets me cornered.

.....oh! What if there was a small box that triggers a change in their ai telling them to move past it or to move away from it at the openings that also makes them de-aggro?

That could maybe help with both problems at once actually.

[warm rune]

i imagine an option for the vent areas to not be pathable for enemies is the simpler solution, you can already cheese some with furniture so using vents to do the same isnt so much a problem
I think the real problem with that though is if vents cut off part of the navmesh, then i guess enemies end up trapped in certain parts of the map
Then again, that happens in most interiors that have Elevators and such so oh well

[mortal arch]

Yeah but the fix for that is also generally simple. Besides I'd rather risk them getting trapped then they just walk freely through them.

I still think tiny enemies like snarefleas and loot bugs should be a lot to go through them though.

But that would be complicated.

[amber cave]

@north thorn Black Mesa is much smoother today so I do wonder if the issues happened to be with the broken Elevator networking before

Apparatus tile lags quite a bit though

[north thorn]

I think the real problem with that though is if vents cut off part of the navmesh, then i guess enemies end up trapped in certain parts of the map
This is what I'm trying to avoid, we'd have to make the spawning of the vents much more limited in order to ensure that we don't have enemies spawning in small areas where they can't do anything useful
Then again, that happens in most interiors that have Elevators and such so oh well
We avoid that by having an offmesh link away from the actual elevator for the enemies to use, so it's not a problem

[north thorn]

it wouldn't be anything to do with the elevator

apparatus tile having a low framerate might not be a total surprise since it has more lights than most other areas, hard to say though

[warm rune]

i see i see

[north thorn]

it's definitely not ideal at the moment, but I'm not sure of the best solution within the limitations of the current generation system

if I had all the time in the world maybe I would try to make a postprocess to connect vents up separately from the main paths

[amber cave]

It's possible that on some moons it is laggier than others due to all the light sources and shadows as a whole, and on moons it typically doesn't lag on only the Apparatus tile lags cus of that ye

I wonder if reducing the amount of casted shadows would help

[north thorn]

I was actually hoping to implement some baked shadows into the tile instead of reducing shadows, but point shadows never worked right for that

I gotta retest on v73 with its updated HDRP

[nova stag]

I wonder if we could get a config to disable the zag cams and front office cameras?

they drop a lot of frames lol

[sacred quiver]

They shouldn't cause any performance issues if no one is actively viewing them

[amber cave]

I would like to disable them as well tbh

[mortal arch]

Always take into account the potato pc

Because when I get within a certain radius of them it sometimes cuts my frames in half.

I can mitigate it a little with mods but it only clears up when I get away from it, then everything else is fine.

[north thorn]

I could throw something together quick, but I wouldn't be able to test it to make sure it doesn't break anything, so I'll have to see if I have a chance before Sunday

I gotta go on a work trip so I might not get it done before next week

[summer crow]

couldn't you set the vents navmesh as "small space"?

[amber cave]

Do you also plan to add the sprites for the radar? I was surprised when I noticed the interior doesn't have those

[north thorn]

that's not certain enemies, that's enemies that zeekerss has deemed to be "small", which iirc is not exactly what we wanted when we were looking into it

[summer crow]

i see i see, didn't know that (i thought it was based on size)

[north thorn]

neither me nor Crab have time to do all that at the moment unfortunately, but that was certainly something we've talked about

[amber cave]

Well at least for now Universal Radar helps with it lol

[sacred quiver]

Wasn't someone working on a tool for interior devs to generate one?

[amber cave]

I think Batby was but that got abandoned a while ago due to him being busy from what I understand

[vivid fractal]

erm, is it possible that belt bags with "tools" found on black mesa in AFTER the ship takes off, cause the belt bag to have bad slots?

I had 2 shells found on a shell in blackmesa... when i got into orbit they were gone from the bag, and the bag is broken (the slots cant be used and i cant press E to drop stuff using bag config)

i can test tomorrow, just asking if its intended those items vanish or not?

[sacred quiver]

They shouldn't vanish, do you know if they vanish without being put in the bag?

I think we forgot to test them with the belt bag😅

[vivid fractal]

i d k, ive been tracking belt bag issues (various) for months, but this is the first time ive actually noticed what occured.. 2 shells, both missing, 2 broken slots in the bag. i will test tomorrow as i say, and ill also test not putting them in the bag too, see what happens..

i think the reason it disappears from the belt bag is because it was not dropped in the ship....

so items put into the ship, are "in the ship" so saved, but those items are in the bag, i am guessing items in the hand/normal slots auto register as "in the ship", but belt bags do not? i d k

(but this doesnt happen to normal scrap :P)

[sacred quiver]

The pre-spawned items are spawned using a custom script, so it wouldn't surprise me if they have an issue with the belt bag

[vivid fractal]

i just would have thought items that are brought into the ship, would all save, even in the belt bag, as other items seem fine.

[sacred quiver]

They don't spawn using the system scrap uses, it's been through a couple iterations because of issues like them having no weight or not saving in the ship. Who knew it would be so complicated to have a shotgun spawn in a specific tile😅

[vivid fractal]

lmao, well, i d k, but i know items are a pain in the ass period, but ill try and see whats what tomorrow regarding the shells, seems my monday is working + testing various bugs day xD

[vivid fractal]

well initial tests show that putting items in the belt bag doesnt make them disappear after leaving orbit... at least not in this one case, may have to try on my full profile, maybe its a conflict x.x

[vivid fractal]

ok, so in my full profile, it breaks 100%

every slot (except the engine) was an "tool" from the black mesa interior.

the shells on the floor are also from the interior.

in total i had 14 tools from the interior

3 x shell (on the floor) - didnt vanish
9 x random tools (shell, pro flash, stun grenade, shovel) - in the bag, broken the slots
1 x the walkie talkie from the security room - in the bag, broken the slot
1 x clip board from the walkie talkie room - in the bag, broken the slot

to replicate (on my profile ,i will share the code if i dont get it occuring on a basic profile too)..

put all the items in a bag..
take out the actual scrap (also from black mesa)
drop some tools on the floor
put the actual scrap back in the bag
leave the moon
PRESS E to drop all items... bag wont drop any.

will test now to see if its the walkie/clipboard in this case (as i know the walkie explodes, so maybe making all the items vanish)

here is the log from this test tho, but i dont see any errors.

replicated again, with just a pro flashlight and a stun grenade, so yeah, rip xD

its fine if your team get back to the ship on time, because you can dump them out before you take off, but in those rushed last second dashes to the ship, this will be a problem 😄

will try on a basic profile now.

had it occur on a basic profile now too (my testing profile so apologies for the extra random mods xD)
019a24db-8e73-fdd7-0236-bd240ae78959

maybe looking in the bag before i pressed E (after leaving the moon i mean) fixed it, i d k, but its definitly bugging the bag out now.

[amber cave]

@shadow plover If you still have your log from that last round where your fps dropped really low it could be worth posting it in here

I would assume something was freaking out for you and Kiszony specifically but not sure what

Maybe you both were haunted by Emma and she couldn't pathfind? I do know I saw a Jimothy struggling to pathfind but if an enemy haunting the player gets stuck it nukes that player's fps

Saw it happen when clients got haunted by SCP 513 before

[amber cave]

@north thorn Definitely something I'm sure you'll wanna fix btw, the Jimothy I saw one round was stutter stepping so I assume what happened was there were 2 Emmas that spawned from Wesley's Forsaken weather and they were haunting beef and Kiszony and basically they got stuck somewhere so their fps continually dropped until they reached 1 fps

Not sure why some enemies were having issues pathing but yeah, hope it's easy to fix

[amber cave]

Actually perhaps this was why the lag happened

Mischievous Jimothy grabbing Barnacles

@pastel magnet True Jimothy moment if this is why their games went to 1 fps

lol

[pastel magnet]

Idk doubt it

[amber cave]

I've been struggling to repro the lag that I had tbh, it was framey for me and Jacu but Kiszony and Beef just got their fps dropped all the way down to 1

lol

I've went back to the same seed and forced Forsaken weather and nothing

lol

[amber cave]

Jimothy pulling a true

I can't repro this lag as host somehow, I spawned one and had him steal a barnacle lol

[analog solstice]

[analog solstice]

your PC too good or hosts aren't affected

[amber cave]

Probably breaks the networking for the barnacle I bet

so it only affects clients

XD

and my guess is that the errors are under a try/catch

@pastel magnet I assume this will fix the problem?

XD

pacoito told me to make it be Black Mesa=*0 so I set that up

[pastel magnet]

Maybe, that'd stop it from spawning during black mesa yes

[amber cave]

This is why I wanted to see your player.log btw incase it logged anything that the LogOutput didn't lolol

Sometimes the player.log catches some stuff that the LogOutput doesn't

[north thorn]

barnacle networking isn't complicated, it certainly shouldn't cause any performance issues even if things are desyncing

[amber cave]

Got you I have no idea what happened in that situation

lol

I figured it really didn't like Jimothy taking off with it

[north thorn]

it may be some interaction between the way some enemy's pathfinding is set up and the size/area masks in the interior

[amber cave]

Possible

[north thorn]

best thing we can have is a seed and some idea of which enemy is causing this, then maybe we can get it reproed and profile it

[amber cave]

I did see some logs about the Floating Head enemy but if it was caused by that, it would also be caused by the Bracken

[north thorn]

the fact that it slows to a crawl is curious though, not sure exactly why that would happen

[amber cave]

same ai

[north thorn]

hmm

like it uses the exact same AI? or derived from the bracken?

if it's derived, PathfindingLagFix won't necessarily be able to patch it

[amber cave]

@mortal silo is it derived?

[north thorn]

still unlikely to be the issue, but more possible if it's not running the paths through my patches

[mortal silo]

Unchanged bracken ai

[north thorn]

ah then my guess is it's more likely a modded AI

I've tested PathfindingLagFix against Black Mesa many times since it's a bit of a stress test for that

[amber cave]

but yeah seed was this, moon Auralis, weather Forsaken which you can use Simple Commands to force the weather with /weather Forsaken, code used that day was this: 019a2cec-39cc-370a-ff9a-ceb437f6c55b

I think Beef's log should show the enemies that spawned

[north thorn]

I'm sure it'll be tricky to fully narrow down to one enemy, but any that are suspicious, you could spawn through imperium in various spots to see if they start to cause issues

it seems likely that it wouldn't depend on player count

[amber cave]

I also wonder why it only affected 2 clients

I never had lag as host

[north thorn]

yeah that is curious

[amber cave]

and another client was fine

[north thorn]

it could depend on who got ownership of the enemy

[amber cave]

Yeah this is why I think it might have been the Ghost Girl

[north thorn]

so if there was a particular enemy that had started targeting the client before it started lagging, that may be a clue

normal ghost girl?

[amber cave]

If you look at Kiszony's clip, he was haunted by Emma which is a reskinned Ghost Girl

[north thorn]

oh yea I saw it in the wall lol

[amber cave]

Yeah I'm wondering if she got stuck

and Beef was the other haunted person

cus 2 spawn in that weather

[north thorn]

hmmm yeah

I guess I haven't seen the ghost girl get stuck like that, dunno if there might be some bad interaction

[amber cave]

Is that not intended? @mortal silo Everytime I've had forsaken solo I get haunted by 2 of her

lmao

Unless uh

Wait

I might know why, because she is a reaskin I bet 1 is spawned by the weather and the other goes off if the moon has her in the spawn pool

Meaning 2 can exist

[mortal silo]

Emma doesn't have any weights on moons.. or.. in general

[amber cave]

True but I've seen 2 of her multiple times when getting Forsaken when testing on Kiri and I was haunted by 2 of them when checking that seed on Auralis as well

🤔

But I couldn't repro the lag

[mortal silo]

Are you sure you didn't see the enemy and one of the fakes the weather spawns

[amber cave]

Oh that is possible

lol

Then uh if it was her only Kiszony should have lagged

I removed some of the custom enemies I had that had spawned in that day so maybe it'll be better next time lol

[tardy turret]

is it known that the cruiser gets bugged after playing in this interior?

for some reason you sometimes get placed way too high into the air when trying to sit in the cruiser after playing one round

[balmy pine]

This is believe is due to other various reasons. Ive experienced it a bit now. Basically your character is standing in it instead of sitting. Dieing and reviving usually fixes it. Most cases I've seen cause it was due to getting launched out of the cruiser by random teleportation or bananas from bozoros or anything else that can kick ya out 😆 I could be wrong but I don't fully think its related to Black Mesa. Might be in of the cruiser mods thats slightly outdated and not current with v73. Again I could be wrong about Black Mesa cause I do sometimes run it. I feel ive experienced the bug without Black Mesa installed though.

[tardy turret]

yeah i have only experienced it whenever we went to a moon with the black mesa interior but i have no idea what causes it or if it is related to another mod

[north thorn]

only thing that I think could relate to that is if you get grabbed by the barnacle and that somehow breaks your animation in the cruiser

[balmy pine]

Oh that would make sense actually. Didn't think about them. Lol.

[north thorn]

not saying that's the cause, but if it is, it's hopefully fairly easy to check

if there aren't other factors involved

[tardy turret]

i dont think that is it (at least i did not get grabbed by one?) i will do some testing on it later

[strange tide]

is there a mod that shuffles interiors without affecting this one

like is there an interior shuffling mod where i can blacklist certain moons (basically to make the interior on this one the same each time)

[frigid fox]

You could just edit LLL's dungeon configs and leave this one alone since by default it should be the only interior for this moon (iirc)

[umbral heron]

yall probably know already but this mod will need a recomp because of dungen updates in v80

[sacred quiver]

Yup, we are aware 🙂

[umbral heron]

while i'm here could i ask if yall r interested in converting this moon/interior to dawnlib

[uneven stream]

Idk what that is haha

[pastel magnet]

my library :p

it has interior hotloading and stuff

[uneven stream]

Ooooh that would be a big brain zaggy question lol

[pastel magnet]

he wants to but dont got time

i am unequiovically taking up all his time with useless things :D

[north thorn]

frick u xu

[pastel magnet]

HES LAZY

THATS THE REAL REASON

[north thorn]

it's true

[north thorn]

also yeah, it would be nice to port over to DawnLib, especially if I can make interior hotloading work, since Black Mesa's interior is so heavy

I'm just afraid of the process since I haven't updated our project in a while and I don't know if that will be needed or not

I also have it set up to test in editor with a hacked LLL build, and it would be sad to give that up

so it might be a bit of a project

[pastel magnet]

Apparently you can test in editor with DawnLib from what I'm told

Though technically we're waiting on Raph for DungeonGenerationPlus for v80 iirc

[runic pike]

Gordon Freeman

and about time too

[umbral heron]

wait a second

that's not gordon freeman-

[frozen jacinth]

Really awesome mod :)

I've started working on a Doom 3 Moon/interior and will likely be doing a similar process of ripping maps, cutting them up/splicing them, and importing into unity. Im curious how you went about this for black mesa. Did you use blender or something to make the tilesets or do it right in unity?

[sacred quiver]

Iirc we used plumber to rip all the assets, then everything gets cleaned up in blender (a ton of cleanup). Then we take the cleaned up models and such and bring them to unity where they are turned into tiles. I'm simplifying a lot here and am probably forgetting something. @uneven stream can correct anything I forgot😅

[frozen jacinth]

That sounds like what I was planning on

Although im not sure how cleanly ill be able to rip doom 3 maps because the game is so old

[sacred quiver]

I'm sure you can find a guide for it somewhere, people have probably ripped it already for some other mod or something

[frozen jacinth]

I think i gotta do it manually with the ancient software from 2009 i found, I didnt have much luck finding any of the maps posted online

[sacred quiver]

Oh god, have fun with that😅😂

[uneven stream]

if you can get it into Blender it can become really nice

I ended up making a tool where you place lights manually in areas you want to "scan" then hit a button and all selected lights shoot raycasts outwards to select all objects they can see

making it so you can quickly select everything in a room visible and put them into collections

which you can then export separately

then you use the bisect tool to get nice flat cuts

@sacred quiver and @north thorn my Youtube is getting hammered with "When will you update the mod smh" posts lmao

idk even know what needs to be fixed

[pastel magnet]

Sharing is caring

[pastel magnet]

You have a YouTube for your interior?

[sacred quiver]

I don't think we do🤔

[uneven stream]

just my main YT channel haha

[pastel magnet]

Lol

Well hopefully this weekend Raph might be able to fix dungeon generation plus

If they do, BlackMesa can start getting updated atleast

[sacred quiver]

I'm sure these hyper-specific scripts will have some use for you😂

[pastel magnet]

Lol

Idek what they do lmao

But I'm sure I'll appreciate it when I start working on an interior

[uneven stream]

lmao those ones are for settings all materials to one sided and also combining duplicate materials

[sacred quiver]

You won't ever need that first one, that's to fix Plastered's own bad mistakes

[uneven stream]

which can be tedious to do it manually

[pastel magnet]

I totally didn't scour the black mesa project for editor shit to steal 🥺

[uneven stream]

HEY NOW

[pastel magnet]

Im sure I'll find a use maybe probably not

[uneven stream]

Crappy example of the light room scan in practice

Saves sooooo much time when trying to select things in rooms

[pastel magnet]

Interesting

[uneven stream]

Pairs better with my other script that you point and click on the screen to place lights

Utilizes the annotation tool of blender but instead of drawing on it it raycasts to that point and places a light there instead

[pastel magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-noting-listening-writing-write-that-down-gif-1206669466397048571

[nova stag]

would prob be the best thing to ever come out of doom 3

LOL

[frozen jacinth]

take that back >:C

Doom 3 is awesome

[nova stag]

I despise doom 3, even as a doom fan lol

one the most boring games ive ever played

keep in mind this is how I rank the classic games lol

(few mods in here but still)

Plutonia is prob my fav of the classics besides doom 64 XD

[maiden skiff]

Hey, do you plan updating it for V80 ?

[north thorn]

Certainly, it's just a bit of work to do that unfortunately

I'll probably see if I can do the minimum work to port it today, and then look into doing a proper update to use DawnLib and hotloading later

no promises on a timeline

[pastel magnet]

He promised to do it tonight

Also still waiting on DungeonGenerationPlus to update I think lol

[north thorn]

there's a prototype of it at least

but not sure what state it's in

[knotty grove]

Except for additional tiles and branch simulation, it should be ready for testing and use

[mortal arch]

My eyes, they BURN.

what the hell am I looking at?

It's like really bad cad

I hope the transfer went well at least.

[north thorn]

inb4 anyone asks "where update", work keeping me busy

I have not nor shall I forgor

[uneven stream]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-why-hes-the-goat-the-goat-bigfellerjake-skippe-space-i-think-gif-26908844

[pastel magnet]

@north thorn where update? You forgot?

[north thorn]

💀

[wary prism]

I'll enjoy the Moon in the meantime lol

[storm sinew]

pls update this mod i'm in love with ur interiors T.T

[umbral heron]

oh yeah yall

dungen plus is updated to v81

if that was holding you back at all

[runic pike]

wait so

Any mod using that will work now?

of course with the uh

DunGen fixer

[umbral heron]

with the reference fixer, probably

[runic pike]

fuck yeah

[umbral heron]

if they have custom scripts maybe not

but thats a 50/50

all the big interior libraries are updated atp

[runic pike]

well

who knows

[runic pike]

Well then hooraaaay!