[v81] Half Life Black Mesa Moon + Interior

[upbeat haven]

it can be opened

[rose blaze]

Bruh unless im stupid i swear all of them were green x.x

Or colourblind-

[winged wasp]

I only realized that last time I played and i felt so stupid for taking so long to put it together

[uneven stream]

Yeah there are only so many doors within black mesa T.T

Eventually I'd like a better way to show it, but so far red is not openable and green is openable

[civic canopy]

Honestly I have not had a problem with this. I really like how red > locked and green > unlocked

Makes exploring the massive facility a lot easier knowing what doors you cant open from far away

[uneven stream]

I was hoping for that initially yeah

to be able to see what paths are not viable at a glance

rather than wasting time going up to each of them

same with the big elevator shaft tile that spawns green lights where there is a room connection

so you don't have to check each floor you can just look up or down to see what floors have connections

[uneven stream]

yeah I agree with the baboon hawks too haha, I will be trying to tweak their amounts next update and also including tulip snakes

Adding 20 or so more tiles to the next update too

Quarantine Tents will make it in as well as some more grungy bricky tiles

[rose blaze]

LESGOOOOOOOOOOOO FLAPPY FRIENDS

[uneven stream]

https://tenor.com/view/exited-lets-go-gif-lets-go-lets-go-gif-8088513551096717304

[winged wasp]

Casually adding more tiles in an update than most interiors have as a whole

[rose blaze]

@uneven stream not sure if me fucked up somewhere but this got no value when I found it in mesa. weird

what in the actual fuck have i found

oh I think Shrimpy is bugged pff

[uneven stream]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

These new ones are gonna be bangers

[uneven stream]

ah yeah those are spawned manually and I forgor to give them values haha

[rose blaze]

whats the scrap loot like compared to the interior size? (I know im a solo runner atm bc no friends but is definitely hard for me to find loot sometimes)

im not that great at exploring it yet tho (soon)

[uneven stream]

I have it set to where it tries to spawn form 35 - 40 scrap and the size is supposed to be somewhat similar to Titan. Due to how it determines scrap placements sometimes things can spawn inside of desks and stuff too which might also make some be missed so I am trying to make them not be dumb like that T.T

[rose blaze]

Ah

I thought the interior was like HUGE because I swear I can go quite a bit finding only like a single scrap item

I run into rooms that LOOK like scrap rooms/would hold scrap but mostly just hold nothing :o

its really cool on the scale its at :o (though I do think some walls are lack collision for enemies)

[uneven stream]

ah yeah I did notice that which is so odd! There must be nav mesh behind the wall they think they can walk through so it is part of something I need to figure out to also solve the inverse teleporter bugs that can happen too

some pics of one of the new tiles

[rose blaze]

im totally gonna fall to my death :D

[uneven stream]

Wouldn't be a fun lethal tile without the chance of breaking legs!

[rose blaze]

be cruel and put in spike traps, have it so it can spawn directly above it xD

now you can break your legs or be flattened as you get up

actually there is an idea. Isn't there laser walls in black mesa?

[uneven stream]

Oh good point, I still need to add spike traps to the tiles!

I'll try to do that for the next update too

[rose blaze]

:O

[uneven stream]

https://youtu.be/uhsyUSNitzY?si=37IUNeic5_GLtepo

[rose blaze]

inb4 just add the entirety of HL1 OG to the terminal to play

[uneven stream]

Been working on some experiments with them haha

Still very very rough though

[rose blaze]

oh thats cooooooooool :O

[uneven stream]

Should be much more interesting than the vanilla floor mine!

[uneven stream]

New Lab tiles

Revamped Locker Room tile too

[past valve]

YOOOO

[winged wasp]

https://youtu.be/_CJ0UNq4Zhc?si=3XK7uSwwaArX09cn

[north thorn]

did your tilted editor camera make it into the v50 project? lol

[brazen forge]

yo I havent checked latest versions but, is the entrance still powerpoint presentation when looking at the cameras?

[sacred quiver]

There have been major performance increases, you now only have performance loss when looking at the security monitors. Just check the patch notes 😛

[north thorn]

(also what improvements you'll see depends on the version you last tested, so we can't really answer that question for certain)

[brazen forge]

yea thats kinda what I meant

[uneven stream]

it sure did haha

[uneven stream]

if you have anything over a 20 series GPU you shouldn't be having huge performance issues if you are using Cullfactory and don't have other mods that tank performance

should be very smooth 🙂

[brazen forge]

2070 non-super and it went down to like 30-40 fps from 90-110

last time I tried that is

[bold musk]

Any plans on adding a config to shut off the security cameras

For performance

[uneven stream]

I guess we could, but thing is the cameras do not render at all and actually already turn off if you are not looking at the screens on the terminal

so config would be pretty redundant

[uneven stream]

that is weird cause my friend has a 2070 and he gets around 60 and he even plays in VR 🤔

I'm sure it is some sort of other mod that might affect performance too that is adding to it

I know the ultrawide mod can cause issues

and the 4k lethal company mod too

[brazen forge]

nah I wanna say my 2070 is gigabyte brand

so dont expect anything close to an actual 2070's performance

[uneven stream]

so real

my 3060 is gigabyte branded

[brazen forge]

shits 82-83 celsius at 100% load

[uneven stream]

T.T

pain

still tho it should be better than 30 fps

[brazen forge]

last time I played with 5 people, and me as the host was the only one having performance loss anyway so

p sure its mainly a problem on my side

[uneven stream]

gotta be something going on that is so odd

hopefully it can be fixed T.T

there is one more thing I will try to do to optimize

but it has to be done after I am done adding tiles

[brazen forge]

ill give this another try now tho, ill let you know if its better

[uneven stream]

so I am almost done with tile additions once next update comes out I am adding more so I will be closer to where I can do that last optimization test

[brazen forge]

yea I mean

+10 fps

so not the end of the world but ig its an improvement from 30

gonna be honest, this still runs better than mental hospital lmao

I get more fps the further I am from main entrance

[uneven stream]

do you have Cullfactory enabled as well? I imagine you do

[brazen forge]

I do ye

[uneven stream]

okay goooood

[bold musk]

Oh ok maybe some other mod conflict is affecting the performance for me

[split palm]

any way you could make the door lights stand out a bit more

I'm color blind and it's hard to tell without being up close

[uneven stream]

Oh yeah I would love to support color blind folks better. Is red/green an issue and is there better colors you think would be better? I also would like to add more distinct lights as well

[split palm]

Personally, I only have minor red/green color blindness. For me, all you would have to do to fix it is make both the red and green more vibrant/distinct shades. However, that would still cause issues for people who have it worse than I do, so I'd also recommend adding another visual indicator that doesn't rely on color. Maybe you could make the red into a dark gray and make the green emit a small yet noticeable light.

If you want a more direct indicator, you could implement the Combine Locks from HL2. They would be out of place in an interior based on HL1, but not too far off from being on theme.

[uneven stream]

I might do away with the red light on doors and try to find a way to show them as broken instead

Those locks are a good idea too!

[earnest marsh]

Very minor issue but in this room the vent seems to trim through the ground, haven't seen it happen anywhere else in the interior

[sacred quiver]

He is well aware of it😂😂

I think I've brought it up multiple times😂

[uneven stream]

Yeah haha it needs to be tweaked 😅

[white stump]

putting another +1 vote to please start considering some optimization, at least on paper 😛
on my rig it runs worse than BG3 3rd act and Dragon's Dogma 2 in 4K, and tanks in the monitor room 😄
(yup, I'm playing on a non 4080 laptop 😉 )

EDIT: apologies, I've just noticed you're already doing that.

[uneven stream]

Never hurts for more reminders haha

[rose blaze]

oh

I havent mentioned but

I found a camera walkie on a different moon in an interior randomly

I'm not sure if it was due to Remnants but I almost certainely didnt make it a config possibility anywhere xD

I assume it's the Black Mesa camera walkie

[rose blaze]

(nevermind it likely is remnants)

[north thorn]

the item is from remnants?

or it spawned because of remnants?

[jolly spire]

Does anyone have any idea why monsters don't spawn when I go to this interior?

[uneven stream]

Idk they should spawn fine 🤔 might be a mod conflict with something weird

[untold knot]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/cl1ck/Xen_Moon/ 😮

Just saw this pop up. A bit backwards (go to xen and end up at black mesa instead of vice versa) but a potentially good moon for this interior.

[uneven stream]

yeah saw this! They did an amazing job with the Xen assets!

[worldly escarp]

Yeah looks like I have another Black Mesa Moon. 😛

[civic canopy]

This would honestly fit certain tiles that headcrab used for BM

the tube ones where they did research in xen I forget what theyre called

[brazen forge]

yo @uneven stream if I want to make this dungeon's gen smaller, what would I need to change?
im still a bit confused about LLL parameters xD

[uneven stream]

I think there would be a thing within Lethal Config? 🤔

I've never actually done it myself lol

[sudden geode]

Curious if you have any plans for adding in things like head crabs or headcrab zombies to go with the interior? Would be neat to have half life creatures to avoid within the facility

[uneven stream]

Yeah I would like to do headcrabs, zombies, vortigaunts, and barnacles at some point

Currently got dragged into another project for my team I am on, but want to come back to add in custom enemies

[sudden geode]

Hella hope yer project goes well o7

[crude acorn]

If these enemies were to be added, would they replace the current enemy list for the Black Mesa Moon? I do enjoy the current selection of enemies, especially the Thumpers oddly enough, I think they work very well with the interior imo.

[sacred quiver]

The idea is to have a config for that. Something very similar to how Ooblterra's next update will implement it

[crude acorn]

Awesome 👀

[uneven stream]

I would like for them to be added, not replace anything already in the interior monster-wise 🙂

[random hatch]

does the moon setting "All" work now?

[uneven stream]

Hoping to have a decent update for this tomorrow

20+ new tiles
Light changes
Butler can spawn inside and tulip snakes outside
Clipboard fixes
New fire exit door models
And some other stuff

[sudden geode]

ooo

[past valve]

oooo nice!

[winged wasp]

Ooooooooooo

[torn gazelle]

For some reason I can’t get the interior to spawn

In the config it even has it on 9999 or whatever for the black mesa moon, but I still don’t get the interior

[sacred quiver]

Send a pic of the config

[uneven stream]

Half Life Black Mesa Interior + Moon version 1.1.0

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Plastered_Crab/Black_Mesa_Half_Life_Moon_Interior/

Finally pushed an update out for this!

Changes:

• Added Butler and Tulip Snakes to Interior and Exterior respectively
• Added 26 new tiles for room generation (Now there are over 120+ room variations)
• Added new emergency lights for when power gets pulled
• Added new Fire Exit model
• Fixed generation so two handed items aren't stopped from being brought back to front entrance
• Fixed main entrance syncing
• Fixed clipboard from spawning on other moons
• Fixed some doorways
• Tweaked some lighting

Some of the new tiles (attached as photos)

[nova stag]

ik its not in the changelog but any performance improvments?

[uneven stream]

I heard from some there are improvements, but idk if it was placebo lol

I didn't do anything else, since there really isn't anymore I can do to optimize except one more thing but have to do it at the very end when I am never adding tiles anymore and even then it likely won't make a huge difference

it is likely going to stay as a moon to require a decent PC to run well

I did hear too that if you use this interior on vanilla moons that it runs better

[nova stag]

ah, I need a hardware upgrade anyways lol(not bad but kinda mid)

[uneven stream]

so the issue may lie with the moon itself

so try out my interior on a vanilla moon using configs and see if that is better 🙂

[nova stag]

about how decent of a pc XD

[uneven stream]

my friend has 1080 ti and he got 60 - 70 when playing it on a vanilla moon

I have a 3060 and I always get 60 - 90 fps when I play without hundreds of mods

mods to avoid as well is ultrawide mods or 4k mods etc

as I heard those can make you lose 10-20 fps

[nova stag]

nice, I think I have a radeon 6700 xt

I think the rest of my hardware may be the issue

cause its decent for most things

[uneven stream]

but yeaj try it out on a vanilla moon you will likely have a much better experience 🙂

[nova stag]

honeslty I think dont have a good enough RAM or a good enough cpu(I heard LC is very cpu intensive)

[uneven stream]

my cpu is pretty mid I think

it has a hard time playing Minecraft sometimes

granted on big render distances lol

[nova stag]

I only got 16g ram

[uneven stream]

but still

same haha

[nova stag]

my cpu is straight dodo and probably busted a bit

[uneven stream]

This is mine rn

[nova stag]

nice, hope once I save up and upgrade my pack will run consistantly

185 mods is hard to optimize lol

[uneven stream]

lucky for you PC prices are going down every day!

[nova stag]

thats nice

[uneven stream]

Each day is a better day than last to get one haha

[nova stag]

also had to remove the interior from cosmocos because it spazzed out XD

[uneven stream]

oh no haha

[nova stag]

like a million of those tenticles that spawn in

prob because the interior is so big

[uneven stream]

I haven't tested it yet haha

curious to see how mine does too lmao

[nova stag]

may wanna try it lol

[untold pewter]

whatever update you just pushed @uneven stream it broke my game in several ways. First, I had Imperium enabled for debugging my modpack, and upon loading into my ship, I could not move. I could jump but couldn't move my mouse and my camera wouldn't follow the player, and I also couldn't quit. Hitting escape and clicking quit worked but hitting Confirm to actually disconnect back to the main menu literally didn't do anything, the Confirm button was non-functional. I disabled Imperium and then got control of my character again at least, but upon trying to land on a custom moon, it now hung at the Random Seed screen. My HDLethalCompany that removes the pixel-y gritty filter from the game view also was non-functional and was giving me the vanilla gritty view again as though I'd disabled it when I hadn't.
Since I was positive the only change that occurred was your update, I disabled black mesa and sure enough all these problems vanished and everything went back to normal.

[uneven stream]

it is probably another mod you have

[untold pewter]

here's the profile if you wanna take a looksy and try to nail down whatever sudden bizarre mod conflicts are now occuring with the new build you pushed (as that's all I can possibly think of that would cause such a multitude of bizarre unrelated issues)
018fb362-c089-aae2-eebf-aefa6cebe546

[nova stag]

DO NOT use hd company, It breaks a TON of mods

[uneven stream]

I didn't change much at all besides some lights and added some more rooms and whatnot

[untold pewter]

what should I use instead to get the clearer game view?

[nova stag]

best was one called not filer or something along with lc widescreen

there is no perfect solution rn

apparently one might be WIP

[untold pewter]

alrighty, I guess I'll disable it and turn black mesa back on, see if that's the conflict that suddenly happens with the new version but didn't with the old

[uneven stream]

Yeah I hear from others in the modding vc that HD Lethal breaks so many things

[untold pewter]

fascinating, looks like that was it

how tf could hdlethalcompany break SO much shit? isn't it just a mod to remove a few on-screen blur-filters and tweak some particle effects settings?

[uneven stream]

nah it dips its fingers into so many things

doesnt use harmony to patch things

which is what tons of mods use

[untold pewter]

oops

so I'm doing some troubleshooting for the monster spawns in my modpack right now

and disabling hdlethalcompany

has now fixed the buggy monster spawning behavior I was getting...

how the FUCK could it be touching SPAWNING behavior? wth is this thing basically malware? lol

[uneven stream]

nah just made carelessly

[untold pewter]

I'm no modder but that is baffling it touches so many things that have nothing to do with graphics or visuals, I wouldn't have guessed in a trillion years the simple-looking graphics-improver mod could break spawning and movement controls and custom moon content load-ins

thanks for telling me!

[winged wasp]

LCUltrawide is the recommended solution for resolution changing

[untold pewter]

oh wait sorry, scratch that, hdlethalcompany was not causing bizarre monster spawning behavior, that was apparently Imperium. How sad, my debugging tool causes bugs lol

[winged wasp]

Imperium likes to remove walking sounds for me

I just wish there was a stable option for changing LOD

[nova stag]

do you have sentinal mod?

[winged wasp]

the games low lod distance can be pretty noticeable on some modded moons

[untold pewter]

no I do not, and apparently I was wrong, still odd monster spawning behavior on this specific moon

I think it may just be the moon itself somehow, though I can't imagine how or why

[nova stag]

just a warning if you ever decide to add it it breaks imperium

its prob the dumb custom api it uses

[uneven stream]

Also sadly LCUltrawide causes fps drops on interiors, so I also don't recommend using it with black mesa if you get bad fps with it 😅

[winged wasp]

It does??

[uneven stream]

Yeah haha

I have had people say it eats 10+ fps for them

And when they remove it it's much smoother on Black Mesa

[winged wasp]

By default it shouldn’t even do anything but change your resolution to the equivalent of vanilla for your aspect ratio

[uneven stream]

I think most of the times you don't notice it since vanilla maps run like butter anyways

And most interiors haha

Since they aren't so ridiculously detailed like black mesa 😂

[winged wasp]

Weird

[uneven stream]

Modding is an enigma

Either way I hope everyone likes the update!

I added new emergency lights for when the apparatus gets pulled 😛

[vocal nova]

Feature request: Ability to change the amount of walkie-talkies in the security room via config.

[uneven stream]

Could, but each one goes to a certain screen so there should ever only be 5 at maximum

[sacred quiver]

Plus, unless they are on they don't have any performance impact. Even if they are on, you have to be in/near the security room to have any sort of performance impact

[untold pewter]

@uneven stream
oh by the way, the Polaroid camera mod called LethalSnap causes a little quirk with the security camera views tied to the tv walkies. It puts the view at an angle when being viewed but only for a viewer of the screen who is not holding that tv walkie in their hand. I know it's LethalSnap that causes it because when you hold the Polaroid camera, the view is at that exact angle as well and it only stabilizes if you press Z to raise the camera to your face and take a perfectly level and steady snapshot.
Not sure if there's even anything you could do about this as I suspect it's just both mods using the same dynamic camera view systems Unity provides, but at least you can toss it in a known issues section about mod conflicts

[uneven stream]

Good to know!

[north thorn]

pressing that same key evens out the camera for the handheld cameras?

I'll have to look at the decomp for that sometime, that is very weird

would've hoped that would be part of the item's logic so it won't affect others

[boreal bear]

There's a bug that won't let you leave this specific moon. It just says "[Waiting for ship to land]" after leaving the planet and the game gets soft locked. Maybe it's a mod conflict? This is the modpack used: 018fbab5-4969-4635-04c2-a71dcda0ab2b

@uneven stream

[boreal bear]

Actually it might be more moons too

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/dqwgwvmm9cwg1kldlxnbx/Takerst-BMM-LogOutput.log?rlkey=r1p6538556zunof1p1raa629y&e=1&st=9gv0ybbs&dl=0

[uneven stream]

Yeah def a mod conflict cause I've never heard of that from anyone yet 😅

[boreal bear]

It didn't happen initially, only after visiting your moon. Maybe a coincidence?

[boreal bear]

Seems like the bug was caused by another mod

[misty aspen]

hey there, I was testing Black Mesa for an extended period of time this morning and it's a lot of fun. While testing, I think I found a major bug. Unfortunately, nothing was thrown in the logs so I don't have anything to share on that end, apologies. ||I'm going to try to find some time to work on repro in the next few days, and I'll update you with anything substantive||

After taking a ZagCam into the ship and taking off, it appeared to self-destruct as expected. Unfortunately, after this happened, the game started slowing down massively, dropping from stable 60fps to something likely in the 10-20fps range.

As far as I can tell, the broken ZagCam was stuck in limbo in the save file, still rendering? Quitting the lobby and reloading the lobby didn't fix the lag (even when going to other moons/interiors). It required starting a new save file to return performance back to normal.

[pastel magnet]

if it didnt destroy properly it should've said something in logs, that's weird

[uneven stream]

oh weird! I did know that the ZagCams had a sync issue as of the switch to v50 which we were going to look at soon once Zaggy's machine wasn't misbehaving haha

[north thorn]

that's very bizarre, I can't think of a reason why it would slow down like that after the interior is unloaded

most of the item logic is actually controlled by a component in the interior, so it shouldn't be doing much of anything once you leave

if you find a way to repro (or if it just happens consistently for you) let us know

[rich vector]

have you ever been so scared that you

[uneven stream]

Lmao bro was waiting in that vent

[true gate]

LMAOOO

bro was so scared he started dancing 😭

[slim mango]

One problem I ran into while playing the Interior solo was there was a room with damaged flooring, and I fell to the bottom of, and it wasn't far enough to kill me, and I couldn't seem to find my way out either. Not sure if I just didn't see it or failed at parkour, but with no other way out, I had to Quit because I was stuck. Sorry, didn't think to take any pictures.

[cloud mango]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[uneven stream]

if you find it again I would be interested to know which floot it was!

[uneven stream]

@indigo mirage I don't know if you still do videos on Lethal Company mods, but this is fully released now 😄 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANPPGNS_uNc&t=1s

AND now there is an Aperture based moon and interior too from Portal: https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1245264812338839586

Almost an Orange Box (if only someone makes a Team Fortress interior and moon)

[slim mango]

Well, egg on my face. After finding it again and comparing the pictures, I realize that I warned the wrong mod maker. 😮 /feels very stupid Very sorry for the confusion.

[uneven stream]

Haha no worries it happens!

[undone owl]

Had to disable this mod from my modpack due to it sending out some errors and it also wouldn't let us land the ship anywhere, just endless seed loading no matter the moon.

[north thorn]

logs?

[uneven stream]

Are you using HD Lethal Company mod?

[uneven stream]

I'm going to guess that's what it was

That's the only thing I hear that has that issue

Common HD Lethal jank

[undone owl]

I am actually, didn't know it would mess with it, thanks.

[uneven stream]

yeah HD Lethal is a really intrusive mod that messes with a lot of other mods

[undone owl]

I see, had no idea, good to know, probably gonna remove it from the pack then lol

[uneven stream]

yeah that is usually what people do 😅

[stray kelp]

https://clips.twitch.tv/TemperedAbstruseFennelRuleFive-HXvjLZ7jlYDLz3P4

I'd say you could get rid of some stuff outside to save on filesize and performance

[uneven stream]

I can try to trim some of that out, but none of that has collision and it also has no nav mesh so it was pretty inconsequential from my testing 🤔

[celest quest]

You know how wesly made infernis have the stalagmite drop for everyone and asteroid the lights turn on for everyone now. why cant the walkies blow everyone up on the ship lol is desync

[uneven stream]

Yeah it's definitely desync haha

It was working before the switch to v50 and its going to get looked at 🙂

[jovial river]

I enjoy this, but does anyone know what conflict might be breaking (that I know of) Immersive Visor, HDLethalCompany, and my ability to walk, when updating to 1.1.1?

[rigid fog]

HDLethalCompany is almost certainly the cause of your problems

I removed it from my pack for the exact same reason that it broke all movement

[jovial river]

Ok, but how is Black Mesa conflicting with the graphics, and why is the graphics thing messing with anything else not graphics related like movement?
Also any recommended replacements?

[rigid fog]

I'm not sure why but i've read in the past that HDlethal causes conflicts with different mods because of how it was written back when it was released
i replaced it with LCUltrawide and forced that to render in 1080p in the config so things aren't super blurry

[uneven stream]

HDLethal breaks tons of mods

it does what it does very lazily and with disregard for the vanilla systems in place which messes with other mods

as above LCUltrawide is made a bit better for what you want HDLethal for

[foggy shale]

Hey! Just a weird question, is there any way how I could disable the Black Mesa moon from the terminal?
I tried it and it's lovely really! But I have a mod pack with only new interiors and no moons hence why I am asking

[sacred quiver]

You can just hide and lock it in the LLL config

[foggy shale]

Oh I see, didn't know it was possible. But yeah both the moon and the interior are amazing so thank youu, we need more good interiors like that

[deft mulch]

Yo! Was wondering one thing. Was planning on editing the price for the moon, but i wonder i spawn rates of items will be affected?
Also i have the default setting right now, but in lll it says some different values compared to what i already have. Haven't changed anything

Is default for enemy settings 23 and 10 or 20 & 20?

[uneven stream]

I believe I wanted it to be based off of Titan but harder and larger

so Titan has enemy power level at 18

and scrap at like 750 I think

[deft mulch]

Alright, but what are the default settings now?
I want it as it is but just changing it's price haha

Or will it be wack if i mess with the lll settings?

[uneven stream]

I am not sure since I never messed with them before but couldnt hurt to try!

[torn gazelle]

any plans on lowering the asset bundle size? more optimizing to the moon and interior maybe?

[uneven stream]

already optimized it the best I can besides one thing

and can't lower the size of the bundle

the mod is huge because it is the biggest interior mod with 120+ room variations to generate with

most interior mods usually have 40 at most

cant lower the size without removing rooms from the mod

[torn gazelle]

ah I see

thank you was just curious for my friends with not so great pcs

[untold knot]

So I've been trying to consolidate a lot of moon/interior configuration into the LethalLevelLoader.cfg, but even when Custom Content Configuration is enabled there, your config still overwrites it unlike most other interiors. Is there any chance it could be set up to use LLL's config instead?

[sacred quiver]

Set the rarity to 0, Interior Moons to all, and leave the list blank. That will allow LLL configuration to work. We're trying to make it use LLL's config instead but we're running into issues with the unity editor :/

[untold knot]

I'll try that ty ❤️

[pastel magnet]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SmoothGrotesqueGarageYouDontSay-8giYg9I2CO9b-eUf @uneven stream

lol

[uneven stream]

lmaoooo

I need to give the ceiling collision apparentlty

[pastel magnet]

mhm

[uneven stream]

that is fucking funny tho

great way to find out

[old fiber]

Any plans to add more additions to the mod

[uneven stream]

Yeah 🙂 Taking a small break while v56 is being done for LLL and doing some important stuff for Cobblemon at the moment

planning on making a "Lite" version

where the exterior has way less going on

hopefully for weaker PCs or people with big modpacks

cause the issues people have with performance is likely due to the exterior never being removed from rendering

and I wanted to add some new rooms that have some parkour elements

[pastel magnet]

yeah, terrain in unity is hella expensive from what i heard

[uneven stream]

and a lot of people's machines are broke and dont like that expense 😛

prolly gonna remove the side areas of the Lite version entirely lol

[pastel magnet]

yeah, def not talking about the endless terrain around black mesa's outside thats unused along with some random assets lol

[sacred quiver]

Yeah I'd try removing all the unused stuff first before cutting a bunch of the playable area

[uneven stream]

ill try to remove that stuff too first, but even then I think poopoo computers might still struggle lol

and I am not sure what the toxic sludge particle FX do to performance

[pastel magnet]

how many particles are there?

like, when u highlight all particle systems

[uneven stream]

I am actually not sure

[pastel magnet]

if its less than like 2k then it's fine for the most part

meteor shower can get laggy and it maintains 10k i think

i need to switch to VFX

which uses gpu

[uneven stream]

I will have to check when I get back to it lmao

but it was my first test and it stayed in lol

[uneven stream]

definitely haha

[runic pike]

Bro

FacilityMeltdown and Black Mesa work hand in hand

The Sirens work so well with FacilityMeltdown's like chaotic atmosphere

Oh Xu

wanna know something funny?

In my most recent Ultra Modded Lethal Company video I heard a Redwood Giant in Black Mesa

bro somehow fit

[plush lantern]

I think your mod has an assetbundle twice as big as any other assetbundle and I’m using all of tolians moons and Wesley’s moons and every available interior 😂😂 using Bepinex Faster Load mod eliminates most ram issues if the players have at least 16GB installed and close their background tasks though

I just generate the cache folder on my end and share it with our friend group

It would be really nice if that mod put the cache folder somewhere in r2modman that could be shared via code tho

[uneven stream]

I had that mod in mind when I was working on it 😄

[runic pike]

NO WAAAAY

YOU ABSOLUTE LEGEND

Also

can you tell me how you did the custom announcement thing when arriving on the moon? "now arriving at, sector C test labs and control facility

[uneven stream]

The reason why my asset bundle is bigger than any other mod is because my mod is the largest interior mod 🙂

[runic pike]

I made a mod idea ||#1261469185020661810|| and I may or may not wanna make it a reality

[uneven stream]

No other interior mod has over 120+ room variations

[plush lantern]

Hey that’s what’s up

[uneven stream]

I believe it was a trigger sound volume or something ( I forget the specific name) but I have it playing as a 3d sound that I created to have a 7 second to delay in the audio file itself since I timed the entry to be around that time

[plush lantern]

Surely there will be a better way to include decompressed assetbundles within thunderstore downloading at some point

[uneven stream]

Possibly haha

[plush lantern]

But I understand it would be a lot more strain on servers

[uneven stream]

Who knows what they will do 😅

[plush lantern]

But the way it works now works for me, but it’s not feasible for releasing a modpack and trying to get ppl to use it if they have to download and drag/drop the Cache folder if they only have 16GB

[runic pike]

Oooooo

[plush lantern]

I been workin real hard on this modpack n it has ur mod and several others but the only thing to do is prune the biggest mods atm to get it to be able to run on 16GB or less

[uneven stream]

Also be sure the mod pack doesn't have HD lethal company in it

[plush lantern]

yea sadly got rid of that awhile ago

[uneven stream]

Ah okay good

That mod breaks lots of mods

It was not made with other mods in mind

[limber osprey]

Im currently trying to work on my own interior, did you use any scripts for tile connection when making the Black Mesa interior?

Also I'm curious how you went about making the camera system used in BM

[sacred quiver]

I can answer some of these questions till plastered sees it. The tile connections don't use any custom scripts or anything. The camera system is using custom scripts based off of the ship cameras. I don't recommend making a camera system unless you know what you're doing, it can have a huge performance impact. Took a lot of tweaking to get it where it is, and it still isn't good performance when you're actually in the security room

[limber osprey]

I see, Im making a fnaf-themed interior and I was playing around with the idea of having like 6 cameras in the interior, which you could see the feeds of in the office, but that was a stretch.

[sacred quiver]

Yeah the cameras are a bit of a pain. We also don't have them generating in the interior itself only the starting tile. Adding them to the generation is a whole can of worms itself

[limber osprey]

I imagine so

[sacred quiver]

When plastered is on he can give a proper explanation for how the cameras work. @north thorn can also explain a bit, he did a lot of the coding work on the cameras

[north thorn]

the main thing is that there's a script that controls which cameras are rendering based on what screens are visible

[old fiber]

it uses dungen

I would reccomend majors video to get started

[north thorn]

That's implemented by creating bounding boxes for each screen on the monitoring terminal and using GeometryUtility to test which boxes are within any rendered cameras' frustums, excluding all cameras on the screens. If any of the screens are not visible via that or Renderer.isVisible, the cameras that render to them are disabled to avoid the overhead of rendering the world 10 times when not looking at the screens.

It also checks the distance to the terminal, but that's mainly done because the tiles are huge, so even with CullFactory, the screens can remain visible for longer than you might expect

(IIRC, we assigned the bounding boxes using box colliders to visualize the bounds in the editor, then assigned those to an editor-accessible list)

code here https://github.com/PlasteredCrab/BlackMesa/blob/master/BlackMesa/SecurityCameraManager.cs

[plush lantern]

Which one of you was more involved for ripping the assets from half life?

[north thorn]

that was all Plastered

The author of the Portal interior also has quite a lot of separate experience with that

experience with ripping from Source, that is

[plush lantern]

Cuz Cry of Fear uses the same engine and I desperately want this mod idea to come to fruition:

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1259521522410721280

Aw frick

Half life 1 is the same engine

Not half life 2

[north thorn]

oh yeah, GoldSrc

I wouldn't imagine it's drastically different

but I'm not sure if the tools would be the same

[plush lantern]

I’m pretty sure Source is just a heavily revamped GoldSrc and GoldSrc is just a heavily revamped Quake

But im not a dev

[north thorn]

indeed

[uneven stream]

I am not sure if the tools would work with cry of fear, but it's mostly Crowbar and some other tools to get the importing working into blender

And yeah the camera stuff was all Zaggy for making them work lol

Without Zaggy my way of doing it was so so so unoptimized and lag city

[plush lantern]

when you got the files from half life were they .smd files?

The models are actually available to download right off the net someone already ripped them and uploaded them

but i am not really sure where to start

[uneven stream]

I believe that was one of the formats yeah

Lemme see if I have the video I made for the tools I used

[uneven stream]

From what I remember you need these

Which are used in dumping the files from the game and then another to convert them into a useable format

And then plumber is a blender tool made for importing Source files like models and textures

[plush lantern]

Yesssss thank you

[tacit vapor]

is this moon still supposed to cost 0?

[runic pike]

yes

it is

Its free

[short pollen]

from what mod is that deer?

[plush lantern]

Seichi

[short pollen]

thanks

[stray kelp]

lets not talk about its skipping and walking anims i will get back to them later but they are goofy enough for lethal company to stay for now

[short pollen]

No issues!
what interior would be good for your moon?

[stray kelp]

toystore is good and i've seen people use scarlet there also

[short pollen]

This moons looks like one of the special moons that I'd add on my modpack, but idk what interior would be good in it

hmm, Toystore is already being used a lot on other places :,]

[stray kelp]

i'll make my own interior later on for it ^^

[short pollen]

and the thing on these special moons is that they have something special in it

[short pollen]

I'll be waiting gladly for it

[stray kelp]

im going to push an update soon for the moon and i'll probably begin my work on the interior next week (made some models already but i'll need so much more 😅 )

[plush lantern]

looks fine to me

sometimes they get their necks stuck together though

i took a screenshot n forgot to send it

[jovial river]

I have recently discovered that having this enabled in my modpack was causing LC's memory usage to go from 7.5 to 10.5gb. So that's a fun thing. I think just maybe there is too much detail somewhere in this interior or moon... I know it is a lot of tiles, but still. It also may be loadstone or something causing it to be larger than standard, I haven't tested that, all I know is this mod is huge.
To clarify my modpack is bloated, and 3.5gb on disc. So using 7.5 is not the standard.

[plush lantern]

Half Black Life Mesa

[plush lantern]

yes it is big

are you using BFLAP

[jovial river]

Yes, is that what's making it take more RAM?

Doesnt matter for me, but one friend with 16gbs in his computer? yikes.

[plush lantern]

Noo it will make it use less

Yeah 10.5gb allocation at runtime is about the most you can have for a 16GB system

[uneven stream]

it is the biggest interior mod in all of Lethal Company and it is all game ripped level geo so it is definitely more intensive than other mods, but afaik it should only be using those resources when the interior is actually loaded in and you are playing on it

I only have 16 gigs of RAM on my machine and I get solid 70+ fps on the interior/moon and my RAM doesn't peak above 10 gigs🤔

[plush lantern]

Fairly certain all mods occupy RAM to the max extent upon joining a lobby or hosting a lobby

That’s where I’ve monitored peak allocation

my pack peaks around 10.5gb with all these

Including black Mesa

But I have it in my interiors section

And oneshotmoons

29 modded interiors total

[uneven stream]

I'll have to check my RAM next time I play cause I don't get that much I'm pretty sure 🤔

[sacred quiver]

I noticed this with my pack when someone asked about it. All moons and interiors are loaded into ram during gameplay. My pack uses about 19gb. Your mod probably just contributes a bit more than others lol

[uneven stream]

if so then it makes sense since my interior is around 2-4 times more room variations than other interiors 😅

didn't know that was a thing tho very interesting!

[sacred quiver]

Yeah XD

[sacred quiver]

I didn't till about a week ago LOL

I never paid much attention to ram usage when I played

Tho the ram usage is a bit weird, because most of the people I play with only have 16gb of ram and they don't have any issues so the game will just use more ram if you have it available

[uneven stream]

same lmao

yeah I only have 16 ever and I never have issues haha

[sacred quiver]

Well when I run my pack I never dip below 19gb, I guess I need to ask the people I play with how much they use when they run the pack. Since they only have 16gb

[plush lantern]

i believe DiffoZ recently caught onto how to possibly tackle this

dunno tho

[sacred quiver]

I just feel bad when someone asks me if I can reduce the ram usage of my pack. I don't know how besides removing a bunch of moons and interiors😭

[plush lantern]

i have noticed anomalys where sometimes after going back to the main menu after playing for awhile all the sudden im at like 3.5gb even if i start another save

[plush lantern]

you're using BFLAP/

?

[sacred quiver]

I really need to play with task manager open on another screen XD

[sacred quiver]

Of course! I got almost 200 mods in my pack lol

[uneven stream]

there is only so much you can do to accomodate for people with weaker gaming rigs

at that point you need to make a "Lite" version of the modpack

like I am considering doing with Black Mesa

[plush lantern]

RAM allocation for this game in particular is atrocious though

[sacred quiver]

Yeah I'm not cutting anything for because it uses too much ram LOL

[uneven stream]

where the exterior is stupid simple to be lightweight having it rendered at all times

[uneven stream]

yeah not very optimized haha

[plush lantern]

i think it will be optimized by Diffoz or batby sooner than later

[uneven stream]

and also redo-ing my current exterior for the main mod to have the extra terrain removed too

[sacred quiver]

I'm very curious how much of a difference this makes, you also lowering the particle count on the acid?

[uneven stream]

yeah gonna try doing that too

Just have been really busy lately :/

I also wanna fix the ZagCam sync issue

[sacred quiver]

I really wonder what's causing the big performance loss. It's not like the moon is that big

[uneven stream]

but I need the Zag meister for that one

[uneven stream]

yeah exactly haha

it must be the poly count outside

[sacred quiver]

Watch something stupid like the railings are made of 10000 polys

[uneven stream]

since the size itself is the same as vanilla moons, but the poly counts are likely way higher than vanilla out there

I wouldnt be surprised lmao

[plush lantern]

i still havent attempted to get the Cry of Fear enemies into unity yet

maybe will do today

[uneven stream]

I really wanted to get to doing AI at some point, but I am just far too busy at work and other projects idk if I can devote more time to it

someone else might just need to make the Half Life enemies as a different mod

[south shard]

do you ever start to think that might be a bit much

[uneven stream]

never enough

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[sacred quiver]

I have 30 in my pack😅

[plush lantern]

not at all honestly

but idc about theme or aesthetic

i just want variety

[sacred quiver]

I guess 28, I was counting the two vanilla ones

[south shard]

i only have 9 and i already feel like its too much lol

[sacred quiver]

I also have like 75 moons lol

[plush lantern]

its like a 2.3% chance per interior with the weight at 300 for all

[plush lantern]

yerr im at 73

which was an amazing number for the difficulty scaling / pricing / scrap value-amt overhaul i did

[south shard]

do you have an equal chance for every interior on every moon

[plush lantern]

yes

[sacred quiver]

Hell no XD

Some moons fit some interiors much better

[plush lantern]

ChaosCompany™

[sacred quiver]

I have a few wildcard moons tho (all equal weights)

[south shard]

i manually do all the weights for the moons in our pack so thats probably why it feels like a lot to me

[plush lantern]

i also have the same rarity for all enabled enemies on every moon

the only difference is power level

goes from like 4 to 40

[sacred quiver]

A nice spreadsheet helps with that

[plush lantern]

i used chatgpt and sticky notes

[south shard]

i agree

[plush lantern]

hey what i noticed tho after relating the balance of scrap/power level to price and then scaling the moons linearly based on price ascending using equal increments,

was that the numbers i entered into CC for the moons lined up a lot for moons that are generally regarded as being well balanced

like they were close to the defaults

[plush lantern]

is ur modpack on thunderstore?

[south shard]

no its just a personal thing i manage for our group

[plush lantern]

same for now

once i finish scaling and balancing interior dungeon size per moon i will be uploading it tho

just in time for v60 to break everything🔥

[sacred quiver]

I recommend uploading it, you never know how much people might enjoy it till you try 🙂

[plush lantern]

fair point

[south shard]

i've thought about it, but i don't really see the appeal tbh. i recommend people just look at the mod catalog or check out some modpack lists and add stuff they like. the only reason i would ever do it is just for my friends, but friend packs flooding the section is kinda already a rampant issue on thunderstore to the point where i just dont look at the modpack section at all

[sacred quiver]

Huh? That's not my mod👀 my pack is LethalCosmos

[plush lantern]

Just playin

I use nestfixes

[sacred quiver]

I was very confused😂😂

[old fiber]

Have u started making it?

[stray kelp]

sort of but not reeaaally

i'll start working on it next week

[old fiber]

Alr bet

[old fiber]

lowkey a moon that is just a cube would be fine

or literally nothing, but the ship and main

[uneven stream]

lmaoo

that would be an ultra lite moon

at that point I might just release only the interior

with no moon

[old fiber]

yea but you need a moon dont you?

[uneven stream]

nah you dont need one

I just chose to package them together

[old fiber]

really you can just land in the interior?

oh wait

[uneven stream]

nah but most interior mods just have their interior

and then LLL adds it to possible interiors

[old fiber]

nvm, I thought you literally didnt need a moon to land ur ship

ye ye

I got that lol

[plush lantern]

You should

I kinda hate when moons bundle the interior in with the moons

It’s like being forcefed the moons

This mod in particular has such a good moon and interior it never bothered me to complain though

but no offense to the oneshotmoons guy

But the moons kinda suck

the interiors are cool though

[uneven stream]

haha yeah I always just wanted to not maintain two mods so I opted to keeping it together, but if the exterior is casusing lag then I don't want to force it

[plush lantern]

For like readme work and stuff?

[uneven stream]

yeah lol

[plush lantern]

Fair 🤣

[uneven stream]

I do so many other projects for other games I wanted to reduce my workload haha

[plush lantern]

I’m surprised there’s not a way to just completely disable the moon or interior thru cfg when they’re bundled together

[sacred quiver]

You can disable the moon with LLL

[plush lantern]

Doesn’t it still load as a bundle tho?

I thought you can only hide and lock it

[sacred quiver]

Yeah I think you're right. On an older version of LLL you could just disable moons outright I think

[old fiber]

rather rude

[plush lantern]

Are those yours?

[old fiber]

no

[plush lantern]

well

[old fiber]

and there actually pretty cool too so /:

[plush lantern]

Barrens has no kill zone if you fall off the side youre just stuck outside the map with no way to get back up

Which is easy to do when you’re tryna avoid a giant on the straight shot back to the ship

[old fiber]

probably cuz the creator is maintaing 7 interiors and 3 moons, its pretty hard to fix every issue, especially if you dont get him feedback lol

[plush lantern]

7 interiors ?

Oh he does Unreal as well right

[old fiber]

yep

[plush lantern]

That’s dope, I like all the interiors

I kind of figured the getting stuck on barren was left intentionally to make it a grueling punishment

But after running around the map 3 times trying to find a way to climb back up the moon pack became my enemy

[old fiber]

but I do agree making seperate interiors from moons would be nice, but its def kinda annoying on the dev part

[torn gazelle]

could u check dms

[plush lantern]

I get it

[sudden geode]

I didnt realize how much RAM moons can take up until I observed my RAM usage spike up by a gig when the game laoded black mesa lmao

[pastel magnet]

Yeah that's moons for ya

Working on something that moon devs can hopefully follow so their moons aren't fuckall heavy

[sudden geode]

Id have ot imagien theres got to be soem way that moons dont always have to be laoded in memory but i guess itd make it harder to load and generate if they werent but wild

[pastel magnet]

Nah not too possible

[sudden geode]

Damn

[plush lantern]

I mean BepInEx_Faster_Load_AssetBundles_Patcher

It doesn’t completely get rid of the load on your RAM though @sudden geode but it helps a lot

[sudden geode]

Yeah last time I used it it would break assetbundles and not load half of them properly so i kinda avoided using it fer awhile but i have to imagine that issues fixed by now

[plush lantern]

Yea let the game just sit at the main menu for like 10 mins to generate the bundles too then restart the game

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/woodroach/PerformancePack/

All these should help with RAM consumption a bit

[pastel magnet]

This mod is just for starting up the game

[plush lantern]

It reduces overall ram consumption a ton

For every time you join or host a lobby after launching

[pastel magnet]

Idk the readme primarily says it helps load asset bundles faster

[plush lantern]

Yea cuz they don’t get put into RAM to be decompressed anymore

I say this with 100% surety hehe

[pastel magnet]

Lol

Anyway that's besides the point

Batby has a proof of concept moon that's like 10mb~ in size

Maybe even less

[sudden geode]

It did reduce my ram usage a little bit while playing but also seems to make it so lethal company doesnt say the actual amount of ram its using lmao

Ohh

[pastel magnet]

So moons can 100% be reduced by a helluva lot more than they currently are

I might release my moon early just so I can actually give a proper tutorial for the stuff lol

[plush lantern]

Yea for sure but it’s a viable option for rn it brings my pack from like 18gb peak to 10gb peak

[prime compass]

Does reducing the moon size by this much also make it load faster?

[plush lantern]

When landing ?

[prime compass]

No when starting up the game

[plush lantern]

Oh I’d assume so

The biggest factor for startup time is the power of your CPU tho

[prime compass]

Oh I see

I thought it had to do more with the size of bundles

[plush lantern]

Not with BepInEx_Faster_Load_AssetBundles_Patcher

[prime compass]

I used to use that mod but my friends don't like the extra gbs so I don't use it anymore 😭

[plush lantern]

They’d rather wait like 8 extra minutes every launch?

Tell them “sorry I don’t speak 256GB hard drive brokie”

[prime compass]

Lmao

I'll take that advice and tell you how it goes with them

🫡

[sudden geode]

Yes it would

[uneven stream]

weird seeing people hit 18 gigs of RAM usage when my PC has 16 gigs of RAM and it all runs fine and smooth at around 8-10gigs 😅

Must be using huuuuuge modpacks

[sudden geode]

Mine peaks at 8ish gigs

[plush lantern]

Only without BepInEx_Faster_Load_AssetBundles_Patcher

These + every interior including yours and oneshotmoons

[old fiber]

In the bigger the file size of a moon is the more ram it takes?

[old fiber]

All of Wesley’s and all of Rollins is like 30 moons isn’t it?

[pastel magnet]

P much

[old fiber]

Guess I really gotta lower the file size of my moon

[vapid pendant]

the scene file is loaded into memory at all times

[old fiber]

Oh Alr thx

[tacit vapor]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/okhdxrlmsxfxprdliu/blackmesainteriorpatched/

whats this?

[plush lantern]

this is very confusing because the dependancy list calls for LLL 1.2.4

is this u? @uneven stream

[pastel magnet]

looks like a reupload to me

[tacit vapor]

its says in description "(patched so it can be configured via LLL)." but i thought that was possible already

[plush lantern]

i have not had issues configuring the interior with LLL

so

yea idk

[uneven stream]

That is definitely not me

Def a reupload

@hexed shadow someone re-uploaded my mod can that be taken down?

Why are people like this

[uneven stream]

or maybe @summer parrot would know what to do about this?

This hasn't happened to me before so I am not sure what to do about it

[summer parrot]

Probably. Was it a blatant re-upload w/o any actual change?

[uneven stream]

yeah it seems to be

[uneven stream]

this is all that was added

[summer parrot]

I mean, does the original Black Mesa present LLL configuration or work in v50?

[uneven stream]

but mine could already do that

yeah it works in v50

[summer parrot]

Yeah, then that's a straight repack, report to #thunderstore-moderation

Any janitor can remove it from there.

[uneven stream]

okay ty

[summer parrot]

ywyw -- when it comes to reuploads the Thunderstore policy is https://lethalcompanymodding.github.io/Thunderstore/Thunderstore-Guidelines.html#forking-an-existing-mod

[plush lantern]

Kinda unrelated but if a mod is confirmed to be completely broken is there no process to submit for it to be hidden or something?

Like how are ppl still even downloading LC_API

[summer parrot]

Totally, DM me some mods, I'll send them to staff.

[summer parrot]

v56 LC_API is still maintained -- by a different author -- we didn't remove that on purpose.

[plush lantern]

and skinwalkers is mega bork

[plush lantern]

Interesting

[sudden geode]

Yeah there was code changes that seems primarialy just changing IDs and removing all the internal code for the moons spawning config with references to LLL being made whixh all seems unnecessary. They also changed tge interior/moon name to mesa ibstead of black mesa

[uneven stream]

yeah they should have just messaged me or waited until my next update instead of reuploading it

[plush lantern]

Doesn’t LLL override the settings anyway?

[sudden geode]

If you tell LLL too override it will override, my best guess is the person didnt realize its a toggle to have it override a mods config

[plush lantern]

bro is playing modpack creator on Hell mode

[vapid pendant]

Technically higher because I ran out of time to actually implement some of the changes needed to make it that low but also theoretically lower because I didn't get to try out everything

I think it could get under 100mb.

[undone fulcrum]

holy hell you're insane

[vapid pendant]

@pastel magnet ill write up on this hopefullyyyy tomorrow btw 👁️

[pastel magnet]

Is that the moon or interior?

[vapid pendant]

both

[pastel magnet]

Cuz I saw the scene was like 90mb too lmao

Ic

Really? I thought the whole package was 500+mb?

[vapid pendant]

uncompressed it is yes

[pastel magnet]

Ah ic

[vapid pendant]

public

me

[pastel magnet]

Lol those numbers matched what I saw in thunderstore yesterday except the interior one

Weird

But thats quite the heavy change, can't wait to see what you've done

[uneven stream]

Holy canoli lmaoo

I'm excited to see what can be done to do this myself 😄

[sudden geode]

Insane

[carmine tusk]

Is this gonna be in the next update? Cuz this is a game changer!

Finally people in my lobby can stop having 20fps

[uneven stream]

I'll be sure to make the changes before I push the next update 🙂

[carmine tusk]

Great!

[runic pike]

Heya there!

so Plastered

im a major Half-Life fan

been using ur mod for a while now

fantastic job on it

I just gotta report one thing

its not like

a big thing

just a small lil thing

the HEV chargers don't work

[sacred quiver]

Do they not work at all? They should only charge an item once per person

[winged wasp]

For a second I forgot the devs name was Plastered and thought you were saying you were just very drunk

[runic pike]

I play singleplayer

It doesn't charge at all

and I haven't even used any of them I encounter

[uneven stream]

they should work this is the first time I have seen this reported

[runic pike]

Yeah

I press

E

like ur supposed to

and uh yeah

nothing

I'll record it this time

[uneven stream]

do your vanilla charging stations work?

[runic pike]

In the ship?

[runic pike]

@uneven stream

Im smashing my E key

[uneven stream]

yeah as it should just use the same code

[uneven stream]

odd that the stations don't work in your build

def check if the one in your ship works

[runic pike]

Yeah at the beginning

I did

it worked just fine

but not the one I saw in Black Mesa

[uneven stream]

oh I must have missed it 😮

I am going to be redoing parts of this mod anyways to optimize it more (thanks to Batby) and I will be sure to take a look at that 🙂

will have more free time once one of my other projects finishes up 🙂

[opal night]

how's the performance by now with the interior?

I think the last time I played LC was about 4 months ago, I love this interior but it wasnt really playable due to lags. Did its performance improve over time?

[jaunty pike]

i was testing it like 1 hr ago and my fps was dropping like crazy in the ship in the new update and the console is being spammed with
[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
(wrapper dynamic-method) ItemDropship.DMDItemDropship::Update(ItemDropship)

only getting this error on that map btw

even with cull factory my fps is god awful prob because of the new update

and i have high end hardware

yeah this error is happening without any other mods i just tested

70 fps in the ship with no other mods

sometimes 90 that console spam is a big problem

@uneven stream sorry for the ping but i think the mod broke in v60-v61 update there is a consle spam error

also cull factory is not the culprit

[opal night]

when I tried it there were no log spams (it was v49 or v50 I think) but it was already lagging pretty bad even with cullfactory

[jaunty pike]

it didnt lag for me last time i played it

v55 i think

[opal night]

okay

[jaunty pike]

the console spam is most likely the culprit which i think is related to the new update

[opal night]

ugh why do updates always seem to break everything

[jaunty pike]

wonder if the issue could be lethal level loader but its not happening on any other moons ive noticed yet i will try all the moons i have and see

[opal night]

🤷‍♂️

[jaunty pike]

its happening on weesley moons as well it seems

yeah its LLL i think

[prime compass]

This isn't related to the moon itself, but I think every modded moon as a whole

Use this mod to fix the logspam

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DiFFoZ/CompanyCruiserFix/

[jaunty pike]

yeah i just learned about that

lol

im sorry for the problems i caused

[prime compass]

Ah I see

It's alright

[jaunty pike]

thank you though

[prime compass]

Np

[jaunty pike]

running over 100 fps on black mesa now

[prime compass]

Damn I wish I ran that good

Lmao

[uneven stream]

When I get to optimizing it with the stuff Batby helped with you might also see those speeds hopefully

[sacred quiver]

In CC try turning off the overhauled dungeon generation, that seems to be throwing the error

[reef seal]

That’s not black mesa

[reef seal]

I’m making the failsafe safer and am going to put more emphasis on the likely to generate sizes

[molten dew]

is there currently an issue with the interior not spawning? because it hasnt been updated?

[light phoenix]

Anyone else have an issue with the apparatus (Xen Crystal) disappearing upon leaving the moon?

This is also happening with the Liminal Pool Rooms interior's apparatus

[light phoenix]

Okay so from what I'm seeing, it seems like any mods that add a custom apparatus model, causes it to disappear upon leaving the moon

Not sure if this is a conflict with FacilityMeltdown or something

[light phoenix]

@dim vortex Hey, would you happen to know what might be causing this?

(Modpack code just in-case: 01918702-a66f-bee7-25ca-f1089c4da816 )

[opal night]

does the interior work with v62?

[dim vortex]

nope, facility meltdown barely even touches the apparatus lmao

[burnt flame]

I have the same issue

the "simulate moon name" command tells us that black mesa is not even on the list of possible interiors to be generated

[burnt flame]

I can't get the interior to generate. The game doesn't acknowledge the dungeon being in the files

[opal night]

damn its a shame this doesnt work, best interior by far imo

[light phoenix]

That's unfortunate

One of my favorite moons

@uneven stream The interior is broken in v62

[burnt flame]

Yeah it sucks. I just saw it on youtube and it looked fantastic. Too bad I missed my chance to play it on a live version.

[uneven stream]

Yeah I haven't done work on it since a few versions ago, but was caught in other projects at the time. I am almost done with said projects and will be back to getting this fixed up and optimized and even more fun stuff I have planned 🙂

[light phoenix]

:D

[sacred quiver]

For anyone saying the interior doesn't work, use LLL to set the weights for moons and leave the Black Mesa config like this:

Then it should spawn, doesn't fix the chargers in the interior not working unfortunately

But the interior works

@opal night @light phoenix @burnt flame ^^^

[light phoenix]

:o

Thank you!

[light phoenix]

It worked! Also, lmao, I was so confused because I'd never seen this tile type before

[short pollen]

that's not Xen interior?

[light phoenix]

This is a part of Black Mesa apparently

Fire exit was Black Mesa's model, traveling far enough I found the rest of the Black Mesa facility along with the Xen crystal room

[north thorn]

yeah that's a section of the Black Mesa interior

[opal night]

Thanks!!!

[opal night]

picking up a phone and activating it spams a nullreference exception for some reason

[burnt flame]

thanks ill try it out

[opal night]

when I landed on a moon, the console spammed this error:

Stack trace:
AudioReverbTrigger.ChangeAudioReverbForPlayer (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB pScript)
AudioReverbTrigger.OnTriggerStay (UnityEngine.Collider other)``` how do I fix this?

[vapid pendant]

you dont fix it

the author does

[opal night]

okaay

[vital arrow]

Just asking if you can add a config to have vanilla Fire exit

[sacred quiver]

If you're asking for that for mimic support, it's a lot more than just adding vanilla fire exit doors

[uneven stream]

No that is part of mine, but I cleared out the random props so I can get around to adding randomized prop placements for generation 🙂

Both his and my interiors use assets from the same game 🙂

Good news! I finished my other projects (finally) so development on this will be starting back up!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/934267676354834444/1229581978085363816/rampardos_boogie.gif

I will be starting with the Optimization steps recommended by the great Batby

Then I will be working on adding in actual random props to each of the 120+ random tiles

that way they will feel even more random

and ofc add the new monsters from the new update

btw @vapid pendant were you ever able to figure out what might be wrong with my innability to add the new LLL into my Unity Project?

[vapid pendant]

no clue

[uneven stream]

I'll keep trying random things then

[vital arrow]

No it's only because i prefer the original Fire exit

[uneven stream]

I almost have this updated for v62

Gonna push out an update to get it up to date, and then do another update to do what Batby suggested to get the filesize actually down

[vital arrow]

@uneven stream any possibility that you could do that? Like they did in Scarlett Devil mansion

[uneven stream]

maybe when I get to adding other configs

I tweaked the current fire exit so it isnt so dark now though

[vital arrow]

Thanks : )

[uneven stream]

So far from testing fps seems to have jumped a LOT and that's just from removing the canyon area and the toxic gas particles in the exterior

[uneven stream]

WIP new toxic pool

Gonna try to slow it down a bit more

[stray kelp]

uuuh i like that!

[timid dagger]

btw is the bottom of the pit in black mesa gonna have a killbox

there's been a couple times where me and my friends get softlocked when we fall in and end up surviving

[uneven stream]

Yes! Coming in the next update 🙂

I thought the fall would be enough to kill but found that some people still survive haha. It's in the build I have now and will be coming!

[timid dagger]

awesome

one of my favorite interiors for LC

especially with all the room variety

[uneven stream]

Glad to hear it! Excited to add some fun new stuff like random parkour elements, randomized props layouts for each room, and some new things I have cooking 😄

And most exciting, performance boosts

[fading blaze]

getting this error on Black Mesa, not sure if it is the culprit though

might be that TV walkie talkie thing?

[uneven stream]

Yeah this will be fixed in the next version 🙂

It's due to something that changed when the cave interior was added

Already fixed on our end so it'll be included in the next push 🙂

[umbral heron]

i also was getting NREs from the handheld tv from black mesa, but forgot to take pictures of the logs

good to hear its being addressed

[opal night]

yeah thats when you activate the walkie talkies/m,onitors

I think the rest works fine though, I didnt encounter any other issues

[fading blaze]

i was having some serious lag on this map

started out perfect, but as things started spawning, i got massive lag spikes every 5 seconds

also lagged lots when spawning/despawning stuff with imperium

idk, is it intentional for this moon+interior to spawn a crap ton of enemies?

(btw, GREAT job with this, its awesome - easily best map there is at the moment imo👍🏻)

[uneven stream]

I noticed that too when using Imperium, but I found a good deal of that lag comes from all the logs it generates for all the spawns too or at least that is what @sacred quiver said

And thank you! The next update will have better performance too so I'm excited to see how everyone can run it 😄

[fading blaze]

can't wait! my mates will be mind-blown

[velvet vault]

New scrap idea

[uneven stream]

real

I can add it just like that

[uneven stream]

It's almost ready for a v62 update

And thanks to Batby I did some brief optimizing passes and the file size is around 360 Mb now instead of 700 Mb

I'll be taking more time to do it slowly and more methodically to get the size down even more, but for now I want to get out sometime that is ready to play and then back it up and then go further

Fps increase is pretty crazy too

[uneven stream]

Black Mesa Half Life Moon + Interior Update (Now v62 compatible!)
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Plastered_Crab/Black_Mesa_Half_Life_Moon_Interior/

Changelog:
Added Barber and Maneater to Interior
Cut filesize in half (from around 750Mb down to 320 Mb) but there is still more I want to trim in later updates
Optimized the moon and interior more so FPS should be much better (still more to do in later updates) - thank you Batby for the help
Fixed ZagCams not exploding when leaving the moon - thank you Zaggy for the help
Fixed Fire Exits being too dark
Fixed Charging Stations not charging, but made them infinitely charge for now
Added new catwalk on moon to allow for two handed scrap to get brought up to the ship
Tweaked the Toxic Pool on the moon to look better and be more optimized
Added more lighting to the Moon
Fixed some textures on the Moon
Fixed various bugs that PureZac found and reported to me

[runic pike]

Oh yeah

the charging stations fixed?

Oh I see it

nvm

even then

plastered you fucking cooked

[vapid pendant]

Love to see it

[uneven stream]

turns out Zeekers changed something which broke them, so for now they work again, but are infnite use like a normal charge station. I will be making my own custom scripts for it later so I have more control and eventually want to do the healing stations too 🙂

[vapid pendant]

Did the texture merge script work nicely?

[uneven stream]

Batby I cannot stress how important your help has been, thank you for all that you do

I plan on diving more into the more tedious parts of the trimming of size, but cutting it down to half was so nice already right off the bat

It did yes! Only one issue I had was a texture got used for my door blockers that was wrong, but that took like 5 seconds to fix lol

[vapid pendant]

Ah nice

To be honest there's probably room for optimisation on the models in the same way

Don't recall if I looked too deeply into it

[uneven stream]

I might pick your brain later too about how to best get to ensuring multi references don't happen for the Bundler as I do see what you mean by that a lot lmao

But I got some other stuff I gotta do before I do all that

[vapid pendant]

Forsure

Not to overscope you but kinda crazy how the office/management esque rooms in black mesa are almost strong enough to have a non hl themed interior based around them

very similar to the prototype dungeon zeekerss made forthe game

[uneven stream]

Oh absolutely

I thought about doing a mini-mod with just the office pieces I have

Half Life Blue Shift and HECU remasters are coming out for the same engine soon, so I will be looking for what level geo those will have to add even more variety too

[runic pike]

HEALING STATIONS???

AIN'T NO WAY

[vapid pendant]

It's only black mesa assets you can legally play with right? HL2 is off limits?

[runic pike]

How tf-

Theres a mod that uses half-life 2 assets

the fuckin

HL2 Scrap mod

[vapid pendant]

Doesn't mean they can 😄

[runic pike]

Well I mean

Valve isn't Nintendo so

[vapid pendant]

Nintendo is honestly not that bad, It's more about what the Thunderstore will care about

[runic pike]

You're saying that about Nintendo

the mfs that are known for taking down tons and tons of copyright, going out of there way to make things miserable or something like that

[vapid pendant]

Only thing that really rubs me the wrong way was with Yuzu

[runic pike]

smg4 made an entire arc making fun of Nintendo

and their

[vapid pendant]

People exaggerate this a lil' bit

[runic pike]

DMCA stuffs

[runic pike]

I dunno man

So what its what Thunderstore'll take down

and not valve?

[vapid pendant]

ye

[runic pike]

Bruh

its not inappropriate

or like

explicit

why tf would thunderstore care

[vapid pendant]

It's using stolen assets, Thunderstore has a host does have to care about that

[runic pike]

well are black mesa assets stolen too?

like

what is considered

"stolen"

[vapid pendant]

nah they have permission

[runic pike]

from the creators of black mesa?

[vapid pendant]

ye

[runic pike]

Oh shit wait really!?

[vapid pendant]

ye they based as hell

[runic pike]

Oh fuck man

thats sick as fuck

[vapid pendant]

All assets in Black Mesa that are IN THE MOD VERSION (this most noticeably excludes ST:U and Xen models when Xen comes out) are technically under the Creative Commons license. This means that you are free to use them in whatever way you want (pretty much), as long as you give credits to the Crowbar Collective.

[runic pike]

Ooooooooh

Wait so im guessing Valve doesn't use the "Creative Commons license"

[vapid pendant]

No

most things that are paid do not

[runic pike]

shit man

I wonder

does Bendy and the Ink Machine use the "Creative Commons license"?

[uneven stream]

HL2 is by valve technically so unsure of proper legallity

Black Mesa is by Crowbar Collective, who at one point did Black Mesa as a mod of HL2

But then Valve saw it and contacted Crowbar and told them they can license it

Cause Valve is built different and actively helps modders who do things with their IPs sometimes

which is craaaazy

Major props to them

[runic pike]

so wait that would mean they're okay with the use of the props?

Im confused as all hell now

[nova stag]

yooo the new update runs soo much better

[uneven stream]

Glad to hear it! Big thanks to Batby 😄

[uneven stream]

no clue about Valve and HL2 officially personally

I plan on doing a Halo CE Pillar of Autumn mod at some point, but that is only because I run a Halo model ripping server with 343 developers there who interact and help locate lost models/assets and are usually very chill with it

[umbral heron]

what does it mean by ZagCams exploding when leaving the moon? i'm not too smart on unity coding yet lol

[uneven stream]

since the HandheldTVs are free walkies with built in broadcast elements hand-made for this Interior I don't want people to bring them off planet

so they are designed to self destruct when you enter orbit with them 🙂

which the Clipboard talks about in the fine print

but I hope most won't read it and get surprised with it

[umbral heron]

i suppose that's evident from the name

[uneven stream]

Hey @vapid pendant Zac brought it to my attention that the configs are not working so that people can put my interior onto other moons

Like for Liminal Pools

[vapid pendant]

did you tick the bool there

[uneven stream]

I have my Extended Level like this

With that "Generate Config" toggle ticked on

[uneven stream]

@sacred quiver took that pic of the Liminal Pools

I'm not sure I have that page for mine 🤔

[sacred quiver]

He doesn't, it says it's disabled

[uneven stream]

I'm always playing without configs so I never noticed lol, but Zac does so he realized

[sacred quiver]

That's not me bud😂 😂

[sacred quiver]

Post your Extended Dungeon Flow

Or is it the LMP? whichever one has the checkbox for generating the config

[uneven stream]

Is there a different place that it should be toggled on so that people can config it like usual?

🤔

[sacred quiver]

@vapid pendant This is our issue

But as you can see above, we did not

[vapid pendant]

incase i fucked up try ticking the obsolete value too

[sacred quiver]

That was what we tried the very first time I believe, @uneven stream will try when he has time tomorrow. He went to bed

[vapid pendant]

Apologies for the inconvience