Lethal Level Loader (Fixed)

[tribal hatch]

wait really?

i thought it was broken based on what batby said earlier

[steel vapor]

Nah

[tribal hatch]

#1214224631108608070 message

this thing?

[steel vapor]

That’s a different debate

[tribal hatch]

oh okay

[steel vapor]

The fact is that AC works with LLLFixed, and there are no game breaking issues and everything functions as it should

[tribal hatch]

so no problems with AC and LLLFixed

[steel vapor]

Nope, I run it

Did a whole 14 lobby play test for 3 hours

[tribal hatch]

oh sick okay

[steel vapor]

Nothin caught on fire

Except us

[tribal hatch]

are there any KNOWN incompatibilties that AC has? like popular mods like MoreCompany, ShipLobby, etc etc

[steel vapor]

AC has a compatibility list on its wiki on thunderstore

[tribal hatch]

OHHH

cool lemme go check it out now

thank you @steel vapor :DDD

[steel vapor]

Common sense applies, if AC does said thing, and other mod does the same or similar same thing, it’s kinda redundant

Unless you want to disable AC from doing said thing, so other mod can do the thing

@vague crest sorry for the ping but I’m really curious if I’m doing something wrong or just stupid

[alpine fable]

i think being wrong would entail being stupid, and vice versa

[sage kayak]

woops i meant set custom prices on any moon

as a host not mapper

a lot of moons feels over priced and it would be nice to have your own balancing

[mortal pendant]

launch once with LLL, makes config, then remove LLL, LLLFixed uses config

[steel vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/drake-computer-notebook-explaning-gif-21152267

Thank you

[mortal pendant]

(im not sure if it works)

(but i think it does)

[steel vapor]

That’s so real

[vague crest]

Did my config fix broke the config gen ? Didn't know that

[steel vapor]

Oh so I’m not stupid

Not implying that you’re stupid

But for now can I just use LLL to generate a config and then use that one?

[vague crest]

I didn't tested every case, in fact, poeple are here for that lol

[steel vapor]

I love being a lab rat

[vague crest]

I guess, but it's still a bit wierd, i don't remember that was a thing

[steel vapor]

I mean I can show you my modpack and that without LLL, LLLFixes does not generate a config on its own

[vague crest]

Gimme

[mortal pendant]

as long as the first config created ain't broken then it should be fine ig

[opaque steeple]

Works fine if both LLL and LLLF are installed.

[steel vapor]

I have issues when I have both enabled

[opaque steeple]

People keep claiming that causes issues, but I don't believe it because BepIn literally skips loading LLL at all due to LLLF being a newer version.

[steel vapor]

hey man, idk its weird

Using both LLL and LLLFixed I got interior desyncs, got rid of LLL played for 3 hours with 8 people, same desyncs never occurred

[opaque steeple]

Was mostly talking about cfg generation.

[steel vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-gif-18854081

of course

of course when i go to show my issue to the mod dev, it suddenly wants to gen a config for me

when it wasnt doing so in the past week

now i look stupid

[hallow copper]

I'm over here still getting horrible desyncs with LLL disabled 😭

[steel vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gif-949319236308169219

Well gg Refract, it seems to want to work now, thank you for your help

[alpine fable]

that was a variable in your original question

[vague crest]

Make sure everyone have the same mods (moons/interiors) installed, also check your logs, you have the list of every moons and interiors, make sure they are 100% identical

[steel vapor]

I account for my own error very much

[opaque steeple]

Desync sounds cursed and I hope I continue not encountering it.

[hallow copper]

everyone is using the same profile code, doesn't that share configs too? I'm confused cause wouldn't that mean we're all on the exact same game

or should I do a clean wipe of the profile maybe?

and I've checked the lll config, no dupes

even my friends

[lyric charm]

i remember one time mirage was borked. so i just loaded another copy of the same exact modpack from code and it worked again.

same exact mods and config and somehow it fixed shit

[vague crest]

In theory, yes, in fact, everyone have different hardware/os/os settings/network/game path, we figured out that someone had a missing mod on our side because a moon mod was corrupted for some reasons, the map didn't correctly downloaded but thunderstore and log didn't show any error, except that the map wasn't on the list, and that was causing some desync

For me it's the first thing to check

[hallow copper]

damn alright, I guess I wasn't really looking for an entirely missing moon when looking at their config. I'll check that later

Does the moons/dungeons config have to be in the exact same order or just as long as everything is in there it's fine?

[opaque steeple]

They'll be exact same when sharing a profile.

[vague crest]

I created a small backlog to list everything i have to fix that poeple are reporting me, so i do it when i have some times.
If you guys have anything else to report, go ahead, i didn't noted everything, for now i have weather desync, config gen, a setting to disable custom terminal and a feature/standalone mod to check for moons/interior list desync (a bit like modlist hash checker)

[steel vapor]

(my config gen started working )

so i think it was a skill issue on my end

[vague crest]

Are you talking about LLL config ?

[hallow copper]

yes

[opaque steeple]

My only wish is something to ease integration of custom scrap/entities on custom moons. But that's far from being a fix or anything like that.

[vague crest]

It doesn't cost anything to add it in the backlog, but i don't know if that's in the scope of this mod

[hallow copper]

I loaded up the lethal quantities web UI, got overwhelmed, and proceeded to play my pack without custom scrap lmfao

I will probably bother with that later, was not prepared for that amount of customization

[opaque steeple]

With how things are going, who knows what the scope will be in the future.

[tough orchid]

Is LLL fixed better than ALL

[frail crest]

Yes

[opaque steeple]

ALL doesn't need to exist in the first place. It's pointless.

[tough orchid]

How

[frail crest]

ALL is just modified LLL by author of advanced company and its used with AC

It has no reason to exist really

[opaque steeple]

They had disagreement and Potatoe concluded that LLL will no longer be compatible with AC, which is not the case. So he made his own version.

[vague crest]

In a perfect world, there is only one mod that load levels and poeple create MR to enhance compatibility and fix bugs.
In a more perfect world, Zeekers add a mod API to the game so it handle that itself

What a dream

[mental quarry]

I kind of just wish AC hadn't come back to the Thunderstore, then we wouldn't have this whole mess

It should have just stayed gone.

[opaque steeple]

but this is not a prefect world

[crisp kite]

LLL was never actually incompatible with AC btw, he’s known this for 11 days

[opaque steeple]

That's what I said.

[mortal pendant]

yes

[lyric charm]

i want to know if there’s any incompatibilities between LLL and LECore. i hadnt ran into any issues using both, but i just want to make sure. just wondering since they both add capability of adding custom moons and im lil worried of any potential conflicts.

[mortal pendant]

you can't config LECore moons with LLL's config

that's it

[lyric charm]

o ok thanks for the clarification. i assume this is also the same case for scraps between LECore and LethalLib.

[mortal pendant]

idrk about scrap

[lyric charm]

can lethal quantities configure for both LECore and LLL?

[agile pasture]

Thank you man

[elder phoenix]

@vague crest aaaanyway, yesterday two of my friends had interior desyncs when latejoined. Any ideas how desyncs can be related to latejoin?

It stopped desyncing only when i rehosted

We're using lobbycontrol for latejoin

[mental quarry]

LobbyControl has had a lot of issues after you have more than 4 people with people seeing unknown names and such, so not surprised some desyncs there coild happen

[elder phoenix]

Well, i can try to switch to shiplobby for sure, but isn't lobbycontrol originally a shiplobby fork

also, yeah, fun kind of desyncs

parts of correct dungeon was loaded

correct dugeon on host was scoopy's castle, and incorrect one was hospital

[opaque steeple]

It's related to latejoin probably because the game wasn't made with latejoin in mind.

[elder phoenix]

I know (which is very unfortunate design decision imo), but it's really annoying playing without latejoin. Also, that kind of desyncs never happened 2-3 weeks ago, i wonder what's changed

We took a big break of playing LC and playing just for 2 or 3 days, getting those weird desyncs

[alpine fable]

Worst case scenario

You as the host leave the lobby and remake it

Taking an extra 20 seconds mayne

[elder phoenix]

Nope, it takes longer. If you play as host long enough - game refuse to go back into main menu by quit button, spamming with tons of errors instead

So i have to alt+f4, then restart game, wait for minute or two for it to load and rehost

[alpine fable]

That's another mods error 💀

[elder phoenix]

I don't know, it was like that for me almost from day one

At least when i started using mods

Maybe it's morecompany-related, as i'm using it from day one

But who knows

I can't recall exact errors right now, but i remember that they was completely random and unrelated to any mod, judging by stack trace

[alpine fable]

@mental quarry might know

We've had that problem before

[mental quarry]

What mods do you have?

In your list?

I know Celestial Tint caused it for me before

There's been some others as well but I've removed them since

Better Lobbies will 100% do it if you pair it with MoreCompany or LobbyControl

[elder phoenix]

https://pastebin.com/4SZbHsTE

[mental quarry]

If you host one thing I immediately see

Removed LethalAPI_Terminal as it conflicts with MoreCompany and then use the latest preview build of LobbyControl from github as a manual import

Otherwise I don't see any mods that stand out, so it'll be trial and error of ones you've added recently before it started

I think LobbyControl can cause it itself sometimes actually

[elder phoenix]

It always was like that, for months, but it's not always

[mental quarry]

Odd

[elder phoenix]

If i play for short time - i can quit to menu just fine

But if i host for hours - it's 100% gonna be that bug

[astral agate]

is the fix only made to work with LLL or every mod that loads assets on mode screen?

because surely LLL is not the only mod, out of hundreds of mods, that loads assets there right?

i have no idea what i'm talking about so correct me if i'm wrong

[crisp kite]

Current LLL loads stuff the tiniest bit later than most mods, to prevent the loading of such big files from making it take longer for the game window to open

[astral agate]

so can the intro skipping issue happen with other mods or probably only LLL?

[tranquil isle]

I know this is probably a frequent question but I can't find a straight answer from a quick scroll and I'm not sure I'm entirely understanding the mod description, but what exactly does this fork fix about LLL? The only mod I use with LLL as a dependency rn is WeatherTweaks and I'm just wondering if I should be concerned about any issues with the default version even without any interior/moon mods. I do have LECore, but again no interiors or moons, purely for scrap

[opaque steeple]

Description and Changelog has all the info.

[sturdy bramble]

Can somebody tell me the best place to put the dungeon(interiors) at? Is where I have it the best place? I want all interiors including vanilla to have the same chance to spawn on every moon

[twilit ether]

it's your time to shine @steel vapor

[steel vapor]

Wait huh

It’s me

Woah

What am I looking at

[twilit ether]

yeah I @'ed you cuz of your doc of all the spawn chances for interiors

[steel vapor]

Are you using LLL’s config

Instead of the actual interior’s config itself

[sturdy bramble]

yes

[steel vapor]

Wacky, you do you

[sturdy bramble]

i just want all interiors for every vanilla moon

[steel vapor]

You asked like 2 things, do you want to know where dungeon fits best, or do you want even chance on all moons

[sturdy bramble]

same chance to spawn

im just curios if i did it right on that line

[steel vapor]

You can do that in the interiors config itself

[sturdy bramble]

curious*

i know but i cant for the vanilla interiors

[twilit ether]

srry if I put you on the spot here, just thought I could recommend the setup you had since it was really well thought out 😭 @steel vapor

[steel vapor]

He’s not asking for places to put dungeon, he just wants even chances if I’m understanding correctly

[steel vapor]

I have little to no experience with the LLL config itself, but it looks like this should work, only think concerning me if the example line showing vowLevel, wondering if it accepts all values like this or specific moons have to have that formatting

[sturdy bramble]

yeah im confused on that as well

[steel vapor]

So you also edited the vanilla interiors value?

To what

[sturdy bramble]

on the other lines that say like Lethal Company :300

75 for everything

[steel vapor]

I mean it should work

[sturdy bramble]

it does work sort of

[steel vapor]

What’s the sort of

[sturdy bramble]

i get the facility a lot more than the other interiors. So im not sure if i need to add this Experimentation:75,Assurance:75,Vow:75,Offense:75,March:75,Rend:75,Dine:75,Titan:75 to other lines also

or if its just bad RNG constantly

[steel vapor]

Let me get a bigger picture

What interior mods are you using

[still berry]

Unfortunately you cannot lower default interior chances with LLL, just make every interior have a weight of 300 if you want them all equal chance

[steel vapor]

I just really don’t see why you would configure weights in LLL rather than the interior mods themselves

[still berry]

Because some interior mods have non-functional configs. Plus if you do them all in the LLL config, all of your changes are in one place

That why I did it anyway

[steel vapor]

Curious which interiors are you speaking of

[sturdy bramble]

yes! clean and tidy lol

plus you cant config the vanilla interiors normally

[paper cosmos]

Works fine for me without lll

[west cypress]

I am also curious, I haven't ran into individual config issues with interiors

[sturdy bramble]

im using office, poolrooms, hospital

[steel vapor]

You’re eons late my guy

[still berry]

I don't remember which ones, but when I set all mine up, the list function didn't work

like setting individual weights for moons

[steel vapor]

skill issue?

Idk

[still berry]

Nah I think it was Scoopy and Office

[west cypress]

Probably didn't format them right

[steel vapor]

I have literally almost all the interior mods and weights work fine

[still berry]

This was weeks ago mind you

[west cypress]

Those should work

[steel vapor]

Everything works now

[steel vapor]

In your case, I would set each of these weights to 300

[paper cosmos]

Delete original configuration and let lllfixed generate a new one

[sturdy bramble]

ok i got it now lol

i did a fresh config and set my stuff for all the interiors in the LLL config again

now i get the vanilla mansion and the modded interiors on moons like experimentation

i got mansion, office, facility on those 3 test runs

[glacial zodiac]

With 7 interiors set to 80 all of it works good

[elder phoenix]

anyone tried adjusting these values for modded dungeons?

i don't really understand how it supposed to work

i want, for example, shrink size of some modded dungeons, cause many of them are way too big, making it impossible to find loot

[upper storm]

there is a bug with ether @vague crest
LLL config does not work with it, i think cuz it has a strange internal name Ether - (Downtown)
if you enable content configuration it will completely break the moons catalogue and you cant even enter the command
price is also not reflected correctly if you try to preview it from the catalogue, it will stay at 0 even tho it costs 400 when trying to route
you can change the price with LethalQuantities but previewing the price will still not work

the price is reflected properly in ALL but i do not want to touch AC

[dreamy shuttle]

is it recommended to disable LLL when LLLfixed is installed

[sour prawn]

wait but

does the config still work or?

[dense kraken]

For me seems like having content configuration on for ANY Lethal Expansion based moon will cause the "moons" command to not work.

[leaden violet]

ALL might fix this

I can’t confirm as I haven’t tried it myself, but I know it patched a few LE issues

But you give up the stability of LLLFixed

As ALL doesn’t have the desync fixes LLLFixed has

and afaik doesn’t fix the config issue?

[mortal pendant]

this is a LE issue, there is no world in which ALL even dreams of fixing this

[agile pasture]

I gave up on LE moons, because too much bugs with LLL and LEC together

[mortal pendant]

yea im kinda thinking on giving up on em too

[scarlet python]

after wesley ports his moons the main reason to continue using LE will be gone

[agile pasture]

LE moons are good, but just by themselves, if you add LLL or LEC, just forget about playing the game without crashing

[mortal pendant]

yea, it's quite random but it can cause things to break if both are enabled

[mortal pendant]

yeah 😭

i want wesley's moons and kast to become LLL ;-;

[agile pasture]

Soon, LLL is slowly taking over, we just wait

[scarlet python]

the LLL port is coming after he takes a break, whenever that is

[mortal pendant]

kast isn't yet cuz the maker is very busy tho :c

also cuz no proper documentation

unless that changed and i didnt know

[agile pasture]

Wesley is LEC now, so I'm fine with that, Wesley moons, LLL interiors 😄

[scarlet python]

can you not just play LE moons through LEC? i haven't really used either so i don't know how it works

[mortal pendant]

you can play old LE moons using LEC

[scarlet python]

oh yeah, LEC is outdated isn't it

[mortal pendant]

i don't know about new LE moons (because they don't exist)

[mortal pendant]

LEC uses an old version of LE yea (and thank goodness it does, else kast would be broken forever)

[leaden violet]

There’s been documentation for a bit now

[mortal pendant]

ah aight

i was off the loop for a while

[scarlet python]

i really would love to play wesley's moons but i just don't wanna bother with LEC because i'm stubborn

[leaden violet]

You’re good <3

[leaden violet]

🤝

[agile pasture]

You can, but some features will not work, I tried and the drop ship never came

[scarlet python]

i think the docs are incomplete, and considering the state of LLL they may never be completed

[agile pasture]

What do you know about LEC, that I don't, share the information 😄

[leaden violet]

Ahhh

I just know that there’s tutorials

So I assumed the documentation was finished

[scarlet python]

nothing really. i just have heard anecdotes of it breaking stuff and i don't want the headache of starting a session only to have to pause and troubleshoot, sucks all the fun out of the game for me

i may eventually cave

[mortal pendant]

using LEC + LLL normally should only break the config

so you won't be able to use the config to setup the moons

that should be it

[scarlet python]

is that so 👀

[agile pasture]

I use LLL and LEC too, modpak with 112 mods, it's all kinda stable for now, I use some LE moons with LEC, but the drop ship is not coming, not a big deal for me 😄

[warm nest]

would it be possible to fix content configuration disabling custom LE scrap?

[agile pasture]

Yep, for me it worked

[warm nest]

not for me

[agile pasture]

What is the problem you got

[warm nest]

if i enable content configuration in the LLL config for an LE moon, all custom scrap on that moon vanishes

[agile pasture]

I was having problem where all the scrap everywhere was only LE moon scrap, so I just disabled the LE moon scrap and everything was fine, maybe is something similar

[warm nest]

well disabling all LE moon scrap is the opposite of what i want

[agile pasture]

I don't think there is a way for now to get LLL and LE going well, sadly

[warm nest]

[mortal pendant]

be happy, enabling content config for LE moons should normally softlock your game when loading said moon

[agile pasture]

If he is solo, it's kinda fine 😄

[mortal pendant]

even solo

[agile pasture]

I guess I got lucky too, until my friend joined and after the first map, his whole PC just soft lock, he couldn't even use his mouse, until I stopped the server

[mortal pendant]

but did the magic formula work for em (ctrl alt del)

[agile pasture]

and I must say the forbidden, but just to be good citizen, AC with Advanced Level Leader, fixes some compatibility issues with LE, but you don't have the fixes of LLL fixed, so the choice is yours

[autumn temple]

Yeah I assume with LE/LEC moons it's not being able to edit them? or use the LLL config? (I use the fixed version)

And I want to add custom monsters and items to other moons

[agile pasture]

I guess with AC one you can, didn't test it tho

[autumn temple]

but what about the OG LLL?

I assume I have to use the AC ver? (if so I want fixes for it)

Like is there issues with desyncing and stuff for the AC LLL?

[agile pasture]

Yes, still got those

[autumn temple]

damn

[agile pasture]

Or just use AC 1.1.3 for one part and LLL fixed for the other

[autumn temple]

OH okay

[leaden violet]

The newest AC works with LLLFixed

No real need to use 1.1.3

[agile pasture]

Ah nice

[leaden violet]

I’d only really recommend 1.1.1 or the most recent (1.1.14)

[agile pasture]

Why 1.1.1

[leaden violet]

Most stable version before all of the drama went down— some people don’t want to use newer versions.

[agile pasture]

But the fixes of 1.1.2 and 1.1.3 😄🥲

[leaden violet]

A bug with loading levels that was introduced in 1.1.2 wasn’t fixed until 1.1.9

[mortal pendant]

iirc you shouldn't use 1.1.3

[leaden violet]

1.1.3 is fine, it’s 1.1.4 that isn’t recommended

[agile pasture]

I see

[leaden violet]

Unless there’s stuff in it that isn’t mentioned in the changelog

[leaden violet]

I’m not sure what the bug is so I can’t give any info on it unfortunately

But yeah I’d avoid 1.1.4-1.1.10

So I’d say 1.1.1 or 1.1.13/1.1.14

[agile pasture]

Thank you man

[leaden violet]

And any version of LLL should be compatible with those three versions

I don’t know for sure if ALL is compatible with 1.1.1, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t be

But LLLFixed is prob your best bet regardless

[agile pasture]

I think so too

[leaden violet]

Officially supported + fixes several big bugs

For context, ALL is not supported by IAmBatby

As it was made against his wishes and without his permission

Whereas LLLFixed is basically the official ‘successor’ for the lack of a better way to put it, and has Batby’s support. Its changes will be added into LLL if/when it has its next update

[mental quarry]

I'd say don't use AC

[leaden violet]

If I have anything wrong here please correct me

[leaden violet]

That’s also an option— if you don’t want to use AC I’d personally recommend MoreCompany as a replacement lobby/cosmetic mod

From what I know, it’s the best alternative for lobby stuff and I think the only other way to get cosmetics

[autumn temple]

Mainly I'm using AC so I can edit or use LLL

[leaden violet]

I’m like 90% sure LLL works with MoreCompany

[still berry]

It does, I use it all the time

[leaden violet]

Thought so

I don’t see why it wouldn’t

[still berry]

LateCompany Also works if thats a worry

Pretty much most things do

[leaden violet]

And I think people are starting to use LethalQuantities as a replacement for those aspects of AC?

[autumn temple]

ah okay-

And yeah Quantities seems too complicated/confusing to use

well to me

[leaden violet]

From what I’ve heard, AC is a lot more accessible atm

But I think Quantities can go more in depth

[mental quarry]

I just use CoilHeadSettings and MEOF for now to adjust masked and Coil Head stuff

[leaden violet]

I haven’t used Quantities yet so I can’t speak for it

[mental quarry]

I can't be bothered to learn stuff like Lethal Quantities, LethalEditior, etc

I'll wait for ProfX's alternative for the AC stuff to come out

[leaden violet]

Only reason I use AC is due to the control over spawns and such— having uneven things across moons would drive my OCD mad

[autumn temple]

yea

I'm gonna use AC for now on

[leaden violet]

and from what I know Quantities can take a bit to get everything set up

[mental quarry]

I only ever used it to adjust masked enemies and coil heads

[leaden violet]

I loved Masked sm

[autumn temple]

any advice or way to have normal 4 slots?

[mental quarry]

I'd use it as a temporary solution, the dev is unstable and I wouldn't consider him trustworthy

[autumn temple]

yea k gonna keep my old modpack just to be safe as well

[leaden violet]

Yeah, that’s why I recommended 1.1.1 as an alternative

It’s pretty stable and doesn’t have any weird stuff going on

[autumn temple]

so use 1.1.1 AC then?

[leaden violet]

like get rid of the gear slots?

[leaden violet]

It’s totally up to your preference

[upper storm]

1.1.3 has Application.Quit for the watermark remover

[autumn temple]

ah okay then using 1.1.1

then

[leaden violet]

Oh really? I thought that was 1.1.4

So yeah 1.1.1 or 1.1.13/1.1.14

No reason to really use any version other than those three

Well except 1.1.2 if you don’t mind risking whatever the bug is

[upper storm]

xd

[leaden violet]

Ahhh

Thanks for letting me know!

[autumn temple]

oh hey btw-

does AC touch turret AI btw?

[leaden violet]

It shouldn’t, no

Although we should move to a diff channel if you have more AC questions not related to LLL

[autumn temple]

ah okay I'm able to use a old version of fair AI then

[autumn temple]

got it

[vale mantle]

@vague crest LLL had a problem where the eject command in the terminal doesnt work, whenever you try to eject itll go through the confirmation, but when you confirm it, it just goes to the moon page, is there any way youre able to fix that? It would be much appreciated

[vague crest]

Added to backlog

[split igloo]

do u also use AdvancedLevelLoader?

[leaden violet]

At the same time?

No

You can choose whatever you want to use

[split igloo]

because me and my fds just facing a weather desync problem on map, then i installed LLLfix, the problem still here, until i install ALL

i dunno is ALL fix that or not

[leaden violet]

Any version of LLL should work; LLL, LLLFixed, and ALL

are you using LE/LECore?

[split igloo]

LECore yes

[leaden violet]

Yeah there’s some compatibility issues with LE/LECore that ALL fixes

So that’s why

[split igloo]

so i can just delete LLLfix? cause i dunt want my modlist goes too long

[leaden violet]

If you aren’t using it, yes

[west cypress]

I personally use WeatherTweaks, my group haven't had weather desyncs for a while

[split igloo]

i use that also at first, but as my modlist getting bigger, i need AC to reduce the number of mods

[lyric charm]

weathertweaks help prevent weather desyncs?

[mental quarry]

I'll tell you a secret, mod count doesn't matter so long as they're all optimized and AC certainly is not optimized lol

I have a pack of 100 mods right now and the game runs rock solid smooth and stable

[split igloo]

i know, i just concerning the in game loading speed

[mental quarry]

Ah, if you add AsyncLoggers that will take a good chunk off of the game launch time, cus it makes logs no longer be used on the main thread

[split igloo]

there are still difference when costumes in several mods or combining to 1

[mental quarry]

My game launches in about 35 seconds, it used to take over 1 minute

The reason it takes so long is cus BepinEx is loading stuff, you can see that if you use debug logs

[split igloo]

what? seems a good mod

is that mean if i use Async, i will not have log generate any more?

[mental quarry]

AsyncLoggers is good all around, you'll get a huge performance benefit in game too

It'll still generate logs

Just not on the main game thread

So you get no performance loss from logging

[split igloo]

oic

[west cypress]

I think it does because it tweaks the weather to be on a weighted system rather than being completely random.

Do correct me if I'm wrong on this.

[mental quarry]

The funny thing is

LLLFixed fixes the weight system it uses

[split igloo]

Sorry just one more question, me and my fds just having a sound dysnc problem. When one of us die, one player can here his voice. And mostly when we join game, 2 players will not able to hear each other. Im not sure thats because of LLL or not.

[mental quarry]

if you pair WeatherTweaks with normal LLL, to say the least

[mental quarry]

Eclipsed will almost always go back to Eclipsed

rather than using the weights that mrov put

[mortal pendant]

but that's funny :c

[mental quarry]

You say that until you have a group where some people constantly complain about Eclipsed

XD

[mortal pendant]

they always complain anyways

it's not complaining about weather that's gonna annoy me

[mental quarry]

Lol yeah moments that annoy me are ones like when Ruthie panicked and pulled the damn lever when everyone else was inside Rend XD

it even annoyed them haha

It was funny but everyone went "Wtf? Why?"

[vague crest]

Do you have the MoreScreams mod ?

[split igloo]

no

and i found sometimes one player's voice get stuck on ship

[vague crest]

That's some wierd issues aha, do you have any mod that interact or change anything with the player voices ?

[split igloo]

Here is my modlist

[split igloo]

skin walker, and little company i think

[west cypress]

I dont see LLLFixed on here? Unless I'm blind, but I don't think the sound desync problem relates to any LLL

[white osprey]

So should I disable LLL when using this? And do I regenerate my config and use lethal quantities instead?

[opaque steeple]

No.

[white osprey]

Alright

[opaque steeple]

It doesn't matter.

[lyric charm]

notez is using ALL thats why no LLL/LLLFixed

[split igloo]

oh i just deleted it. but as u said it may because of mod affect voice

[white osprey]

I don’t know what doesn’t matter

[vague crest]

From the logs, i can tell you that there was LLLFixed installed

[opaque steeple]

Doesn't matter if you disable it or not.

[west cypress]

Ah i see

[white osprey]

I see thank you

[still berry]

Just wanna say thanks for this tip, probably decreased my load times by about 20%

[vague crest]

@opaque steeple Some poeple reported that it was more stable when disabled

[white osprey]

interesting

[vague crest]

Vodoo magic indeed

[lyric charm]

some people have reported that disabling LLL has fixed some issues for them tho

[white osprey]

And I’m assuming I have to regenerate my LLL config since it’s full of duplicates?

[opaque steeple]

[Warning: BepInEx] Skipping [LethalLevelLoader 1.1.0.6] because a newer version exists (LethalLevelLoader 2.0.0.1)

[still berry]

I had no difference here with my group

[opaque steeple]

Some people also use PerformanceEnhancer thinking it actually improves performance.

[split igloo]

is that useful?

[opaque steeple]

...

[lyric charm]

thats not really comparable tho. they use performanceenhancer thinking it does that, placebo. but if disabling LLL makes their issues go away, then what can i say. 🤷‍♂️

[vague crest]

@split igloo https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/KodiCraft/TermSpeak/ This mod make me wonder

[opaque steeple]

You can use walkie on terminal in vanilla LC, with 0 mods.

[split igloo]

what? i cant

i have to exit terminal

[opaque steeple]

Hold it in your hand when you enter terminal.

[still berry]

You have to be holding the walkie what you enter the terminal

[vague crest]

Also you have WalkieUse

[still berry]

then click to talk

[vague crest]

Ah nvm

[split igloo]

oh, mindblow

[split igloo]

walkieuse also cause that bug?

[vague crest]

Nono

Nevermind

[split igloo]

ok, thx a lot!!

[white osprey]

Perhaps? @vague crest

[vague crest]

i'm not sure about the stability of SkinWalkers tho, also you have a lot of issues with the AutoTranslator assembly of Unity for some reasons

[vague crest]

I thinks that this mod is supposed to fix the duplication issue and save it

I would like to say no

[still berry]

Skinwalkers gives me semi-regular errors but the game runs fine 🤷‍♂️

[white osprey]

Alright so I keep my current config

Thank you

[split igloo]

ic, thx a lot! i believe termspeak is the reason of bug, last time my fd also have issue with it

[lyric charm]

u should use mirage over skinwalkers imo. just a recommendation. same voice is synced for everyone.

[still berry]

might give that a go, thanks 🙂

[vague crest]

I don't really like dev mods that just leave it like that, it's like making a dish and half cooking every ingredients

I mean, a if condition, a try catch, can solve the issue 95% of the times

[still berry]

It annoys the shit out of me too 😅

Will probably go with mirage just to get rid of the errors LOL

[split igloo]

mirage also do the same thing as skinwalker? i thought it only turns dead body to masked

[lyric charm]

its configurable

[split igloo]

ok ill go with mirage then

[vague crest]

Maybe use Mirage instead of SkinWalker and MaskedEnemyOverhaul

1 better than 2

[lyric charm]

mirage will make everyone hear the same voice recording. also the masks will use the same voices as the person they're copying.
if u dont want masks to dopplegang players, u can turn that off too.

[split igloo]

thats good, skinwalker cannot sync the voice

[lyric charm]

love the doppelganger masks 🤣

made for some funny moments

[mental quarry]

MEOF is still good if you wanna control masked spawns btw and it has a compat option for Mirage

But Mirage is definitely better than Skinwalkers for sure

[wooden aspen]

i got that glitch in vanilla on my first round in lethal company

[leaden violet]

I’ve had that happen when someone incorrectly updated a modpack

[wooden aspen]

i could also hear the dead

[white osprey]

Same

[solid stump]

it syncs the weathers completely separately from vanilla logic, so yes

[lyric charm]

ok ill check it out

[split igloo]

hi, ive installed acyncloggers but the launch game speed still about 1min, I only have 80 mods, do u know why?

[crisp kite]

@vague crest probably won't implement your code directly but I assume you have no issue with an LLL update making this mod redundant, yes? Chill to credit you for your research and release while the situation was ongoing ofc

[opaque steeple]

Because whatever makes your game take longer to load is unrelated to logs.

[vague crest]

No problem, go ahead, chill

[crisp kite]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-oj-haywood-emerald-haywood-daniel-kaluuya-keke-palmer-gif-26726225

[vague crest]

I will make this mod deprecated once you are done with the next update anyway, there is no reason for it to exist anymore after that :p

[royal furnace]

I'd say you two should work together on it if you both want to, might help with getting stuff done

[crisp kite]

I've never been open against contribution for LLL or anything

[royal furnace]

yeah just recommending if refract wants to put their changes here into LLL directly and maybe work on future stuff together

[crisp kite]

Forsure

[royal furnace]

would be cool to see collaboration on LLL to refine it

[crisp kite]

Generally I do prefer to re-implement ideas myself when I can just so I have a better understanding of what I'm cooking but that's not a hard no to direct PR's or anything. Usually "hey dumbass do x" does fortunately get the job done 9 times out of 10

@faint timber can attest to that lmao

mrov has also been dabbling in some weather stuff that i'll def get vibe checked for my implemention

[solid stump]

my implementation is very much incomplete as of now

[crisp kite]

i dont know why i knew i didnt have to tag you

[solid stump]

but I have some ideas that I think would be very beneficial to implement

[solid stump]

I just don't have a life outside of here lmaoo

[crisp kite]

truing

yeah weather stuff probably just needs realistic usecases to stresstest it

same w/ initial dungeon stuff

lowkey want to hold off on it because im really hoping it might be reworked in v50 but

[solid stump]

we'll see when it comes out

and lord knows when that's gonna be

[crisp kite]

probably soon enough to where i dont mind waiting a littleee bit

[solid stump]

i really like how AC handled all of items properties (https://github.com/FluffyFishGames/AdvancedCompany/blob/main/Game/Manager/Items.cs), but it only worked by overwriting all other mods' references to basegame

which is not feasible to do, realistically

[crisp kite]

What aspects of it?

[solid stump]

i mean - i just assume that based on your desire to make everything as vanilla-ish as possible

[crisp kite]

No i mean

what about AC's do you like

[solid stump]

i liked it's configurability and them abstracting all of different things that were scattered throughout the game (there's not a "all terminal nodes list" anywhere lol) into a singular place with clean properties

so instead of doing some crazy things to get unlockables price it was instead a property of unlockable

not a property of a terminal node that had the same id as unlockable in a different place

and i think doing this to the weather-related data will bring big benefits to the maintability and extensibility of the system

[crisp kite]

Oh yeah that kind of stuff would already be planned for ExtendedItem

I already do something like that for ExtendedLevel's routePrice

@solid stump https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/a0b7ab6ff03b24983a780fbfa44c69215c15df4f/LethalLevelLoader/Components/ExtendedLevel.cs#L24
it's slightly jank but something like this?

[solid stump]

so you're creating the abstraction layer on top of the base-game spaghetti to handle all the moving pieces?

[crisp kite]

more or less

similar vibes in these two
https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/main/LethalLevelLoader/General/Content.cs

[solid stump]

nice

i mean - i'm doing the same stuff something similar with abstracting my internal types and interacting with the game (but worse): https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherTweaks/blob/acc4b27b9066e02edb51548c332d49d1bf629cfb/WeatherTweaks/GameInteraction.cs#L14

the only thing that fixed the vanilla weather desync is not using vanilla system lol

but what i'd ideally do is combine all things that a weatherType can change (effect, variables, multipliers etc.) and package them in a single class

because that's so much easier to deal with

[royal furnace]

had thoughts about fixing up the item spawning system since it's pretty borked and noone does much with it subsequently

[solid stump]

does every tile have some predefined spots that items can spawn in?

because the vanilla system is too predictable imo

[royal furnace]

yeah, the dungeon has nodes that items try to spawn either in a radius of or directly on top of

and each node has data determining what item can spawn at a given location

[crisp kite]

(im open to feedback)

[royal furnace]

but the underlying code checks the spawn data objects' hash directly instead of the string contained in it so if you try to set them up as you'd expect in a decomp it won't work since it'll put a different asset item in the bundle that when compared don't match

[solid stump]

(this is me on hopium) i should have my weather type abstraction ready (or at least planned) sometime during the weekend - i'm in the process of making it work in the first place, i'm also looking into getting a dependency on MeteoMultiplier for my custom/changing/combined weathers and so on

so ideally it's gonna include all of that in some way

and i know that LLL has it's own setting in regards to multiplying dungeon sizes/scrap amounts

[crisp kite]

yipeeee

[solid stump]

👀

so you're gonna have a way to attach custom effectObjects and hook them inside of the game?

[reef dragon]

Cool

[crisp kite]

The proof of concept is just a abstraction layer/wrapper like the ExtendedLevel yeah. But because of how hardcoded basegame weather is it’s going to be abit more jank. Because you set that basegame enum as the default WeatherEffect setting then you’d run your custom stuff ontop

Eg 99% of custom weather effects would just use None

The reason I do it like this is similar to ExtendedLevel and ExtendedDungeonFlow, I’m going to make ExtendedWeatherEffects for all of the vanilla weathers too, and then modify the selection of the random weather rolls to use ExtendedWeatherEffects instead, which will consider the vanilla and custom weathers as equal content

[solid stump]

Ideally i'd use that instead of my jank 😄

but i reckon it's a long shot (as of now)

[solid stump]

it took me a week to see that AudioReverbTrigger disabled weather effects 😆

[crisp kite]

The fortune side effect to this is also like, if you want to make an iteration of say Stormy Weather, instead of having the enum set to None just change it to Stormy and it’ll pass all the vanilla checks for the enum

[solid stump]

yeah, exactly

[split igloo]

will u also do a perk system like AC? the main reason that i keep AC is its perk system is the best nowadays

[crisp kite]

no

[solid stump]

imo it's way outside the scope of a asset loader ^

[autumn temple]

Agreed

[quasi herald]

Lethal Modularity will do that once the appropriate module gets finished
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[vague crest]

I don't thinks my fork is very clean, i did that to get a fast fix and i learned the base game code "on the job" since it was my first mod for this game and also it was never intended to replace the original mod in the first place.
I thinks i'm a solo guy when it comes to dev, and i thinks you are the same kind of person, i wouldn't like to see someone send a PR with 50% of the files modified on a personal project, mainly because it's 'personal' and that make you lose half the knowledge of your own code.

If i debug a bug like this in the future, now that i know you a bit more, i may probably make a small PR so you can review it and either merge it or implement it yourself, for now i thinks i want to try to make a small compatibility mod that works like ModlistHashChecker that check for host/client desyncs on weather/moons/scrap etc.. (like we talked the last time)
On a side note : You should clean your .csproj while you are at it, you can check the one in my fork if you want

[tranquil isle]

Perks system is a niche that hasn't been filled very well so I imagine someone will come along with a good implementation. LethalProgression is sort of the only one I can think of and it's lacking imo, but it works for now

[dreamy tree]

Hello!

So I have a question about this mod

Can you control what spawns outdoors and indoors?

[opaque steeple]

Tried looking at LLL config?

I don't know what does/doesn't work though, or with which combination of mods.

[dreamy tree]

Ah

[somber bridge]

When I tried Lethal Progression Patch, I (the host) would always get stuck dropping items and not being able to pick anything else up ://

[tranquil isle]

I found this sort of issue when I had ReservedSlots and I had bought extra slots with LethalProgression. They don't work together, but ReservedSlots recently added a way to buy new slots

[tawdry thistle]

ive seen a lot of people talk about the patch version specifically being extremely unstable

[dreamy tree]

Is there any incompatibility with Lethal Level Loader and whatever other mods are used to create custom moons aside from LLL?

[opaque steeple]

No.

[dreamy tree]

Okay good

Thank you

👍

[stable plaza]

Can confirm, the patched lethal progression is causing issues with dropping items in the ship as host, it even carried over to a client for some reason

[crisp kite]

Late response but heard chef

[autumn temple]

I'm trying to mess with the editor in LLL(fixed) but so far it keeps crashing and leaving stuck in loading seed-

[split igloo]

i want to go to gloom and i got this, do i set anything wrong?

[split igloo]

Hi everyone, I have another bug when using LLL to change moons' config. I'm trying to land on moon Fission-C and stuck on loading random seed.

[split igloo]

and also a bug, when i try to close the game and restart a room, the price of moon goes back to normal

[gusty night]

to fix this, delete the LLL config (it breaks sometimes if you add/remove any moon)

[split igloo]

tried, still cant, even the original LLL config have this problem

and i didnt add or remove any moon

I install wesley's moons before using LLL to change config

[gusty night]

Any chance you’re using two mods that set the cost to be different numbers?

[split igloo]

no

[gusty night]

Do you have original LLL uninstalled

[split igloo]

no, should I?

[gusty night]

Honestly dk :P but I know there have been issues before with og LLL not fully getting disabled

[split igloo]

in my situation it is impossible not to use og LLL because im in modpack and when u download interior it will install back automatically

[gusty night]

Oh interesting

Didn’t know

Can you dm me a dependencies list?

Settings —> search “dependencies”?

[split igloo]

fix the desync problem that LLL did

[sick knot]

it still happens btw

[proud yacht]

wait so should I use this mod over regular lll?

[still berry]

have both installed. Make sure to remove the old LLL config

[proud yacht]

grazie

[proud yacht]

Does this mod cause any lag issues?

When I played with it solo I didnt have any issues but when I put it in my modpack and played with friends, we had some lag issues

[paper cosmos]

keep it disabled

[opaque steeple]

You can keep both on. LLL isn't loaded by BepIn anyway when LLLF is present.

[mortal pendant]

you have to disable LLL when using it or it may cause lag

[mental quarry]

I've never had lag, LLLFixed disables normal LLL

Lag is likely from something else

[mortal pendant]

sometimes having both enabled spams logs and causes lag for some reason

had that happen once before too

[mental quarry]

Ah well

You should be using AsyncLoggers anyways

That gets rid of lag from logging

[mortal pendant]

yeah that was before asyncloggers

[mental quarry]

I never have had any log spam from using them together tbh

[proud yacht]

Is there any reason to not use both?

[opaque steeple]

You'll get conflicting opinions.

[split igloo]

what is the outcome of conflict? will the game crash or cannot join game?

[opaque steeple]

Conflicting opinions.

Not mod conflict.

[split igloo]

oic😂

[wheat yarrow]

[Error : Unity Log] Scene 'schoolscene' couldn't be loaded because it has not been added to the build settings scenes in build list.

I am getting this error with your mod and it just tell waiting for the ship to land @crisp kite

and it doing that for all the map

[split igloo]

try to delete the map to see there still have problem or not, if no, which means is the map's problem

[wheat yarrow]

so i have to delete all the map

then

cause no map is not doing that

[split igloo]

u mean vanilla map also?

[wheat yarrow]

all the map

i had to remove completly LethalLevelLoader to make it work

and it work so the problem is LLL

[split igloo]

no, LLL never cause the problem, the problem is on the map

one map ruin all maps

[wheat yarrow]

i remove all the maps

and with LLL still in the modpack

and wowie it is not working

[proud yacht]

I just want to know if i can run this fork without lll

[split igloo]

did u install LLLfix?

[wheat yarrow]

nope

[split igloo]

==

[proud yacht]

Damn

[split igloo]

of course there is problem u dunt fix it

[proud yacht]

Im starting to think my lag issues were caused by the newer csync, not this mod

I ended up unnistalling like 10 different not related mods

And i havent tested it with other people yet

[wheat yarrow]

you didn't suppose to need LLL Fixed

since yesterday i just use LLL and it was working

[mortal pendant]

LLLFixed is a temporary fork to fix issues such as desyncs when routing, config duplication by unused entries and infinite loading, if you had none of these in the first place then you don't need this

[proud yacht]

But if im using lllfixed, do i have to use lll?

[wheat yarrow]

yeah that a good question cause yesterday my game was working well and now it doesn't because of LLL

[opaque steeple]

No.

It's not loaded when LLLF is present.

[proud yacht]

Ty

[bitter topaz]

has levelloader been fixed yet?

[rare zinc]

version incompatible with lethalexpansion, this causes an error when loading new moons, any solution?

[crimson saffron]

Don't use moons that rely on lethalexpansion while using Lethal Level Loader because it's a known bug 😄

[rare zinc]

thx

[gusty night]

, just use Lethal Expansion Core

Idk where people are getting their information from, LLL and LEC are perfectly compatible

[gusty night]

No

[split igloo]

but me and my friends still have the landing bug or joinning lobby at ship outside bug

[gusty night]

And you’re using LLL and LEC?

[split igloo]

yes

[gusty night]

That could easily be an issue caused by another mod tbh

But idk

I also don’t use more company though

But I get no issues at all ever

[split igloo]

this happens after we add wesley moon, and wesley moon use LEC

[gusty night]

Which Wesley moon, cosmocos/polarus/one of the newer moons or something else?

Cause the two I listed are known to be buggy/take a really long time to load, and the newer ones could have any kind of problems

[wooden aspen]

can you check the log because ive had similar issues in the past and it always showed a hint to the cause in the logs

[royal furnace]

LEC is better but not perfect with LLL (and is discontinued), hence why batby is focusing on le conversion

[wooden aspen]

ill go find an example rq

[gusty night]

Do you know any certain causes for issues with any moons because of those things

LLL and LEC

Combined?

[split igloo]

mostly is gloom

[gusty night]

That’s a new one, try another and it probably will work better

[wooden aspen]

found one here it says custom death penalty is causing the issue if u read the log

@split igloo

(this is an example)

[royal furnace]

I've not really had any issues personally using LLLF +LE

[gusty night]

Dynamic interior size is hella difficult to do so you can’t blame them, but if you want the errors to disappear you should disable that in the config

[gusty night]

Well me neither

I think people are seeing a frozen screen before loading into a moon and thinking oh it’s the moons/LLLs/LEs fault

[royal furnace]

Yeah, as with everything else logs are the key

[crisp kite]

naur

[gusty night]

What are the issues

[terse ferry]

Just wanted to note here, that for me, custom scraps using LECore, as well as ones that dont like AbandonedCompanyAssets dont spawn when using the LLL config, even with LLL disabled and just using LLLFixed
To get these to spawn in, i've had to use LQ

[crisp kite]

yeeeee

id suggest any le based scrap mod start looking into moving to LL

[alpine fable]

AbandonedCompanyAssets use LL, I'm actually unsure why LLL screws with these scrap specifically

[crisp kite]

its the oppisite i think

i dont mess with scrap

its just ll messes with scrap before me

which can cause issues

[alpine fable]

Might be, dunno who specifically that scrap mod though

[sage kayak]

for some reason non of custom scrap seems to work in LLL ?

127-Eve Large axle:94,V-type engine:80,Plastic fish:28,Metal sheet:83,Big bolt:89,Toy cube:18,Laser pointer:3,Bottles:67,Remote:16,Cookie mold pan:13,Toy robot:2,Magnifying glass:4,Stop sign:29,Tea kettle:24,Gold bar:4,Cash register:3,Clown horn:43,Airhorn:34,Candy:3,Red soda:2,Yield sign:8,Gift:24,Flask:42

Experimentation: Large axle:80,V-type engine:90,Plastic fish:12,Metal sheet:88,Laser pointer:4,Big bolt:80,Bottles:19,Ring:3,Steering wheel:32,Cookie mold pan:5,Egg beater:10,Jar of pickles:10,Dust pan:32,Airhorn:3,Clown horn:3,Cash register:3,Candy:2,Gold bar:1,Yield sign:6,Homemade flashbang:22,Gift:17,Flask:42,Old Book:6,Xiaomi:10,Wooden Chair:12,Cone:35,Magnet:35,Wooden Crate:35,Wooden Table:10,Armor:13,Car Key:7,Axe:13,Game Boy:10,Mario Glove:10,Marios Hat:10,Mario Painting:10,Marios Shoe:10,Marios Star:10,Poison Mushroom:10,Poltergust 3000:10,Redstone Torch:5,Cirno Fumo:30,Arson Plush:5,Cookie Fumo:1,Toimari Plush:4,Hamis Plush:0,Dirty Arson Plush:0,Maxwell:2,Glizzy:100,Revolver:10,Gremlin Can:6,Toy Hammer:10,Gnarpy Plush:3,Boink:12,Cup Noodle:8,Freddy Fast Bear?:7,Nokia 3310:15,Moai:8,Froggy Chair:18,Eevee Plush:13,Death Note:3,Uno Reverse Card:5,Weezer Guitar:6,Cat:13

thought it was because of this but it still dont seem to work i only get vanilla scrap on modded moons

do the user need to add the scrap manually ?

[mortal pendant]

sadly yes

with most custom scrap mods

[alpine fable]

LL scrap will add support for LLL soon^TM

[grizzled rampart]

just use lethal quantities

[sage kayak]

had issues with LQ

and i would have to manually add my scrap with LQ as well ?

[sage kayak]

LL scrap ?

[alpine fable]

Lethal lib

Most scrap are made through lethal lib and I think LE

[sage kayak]

ahhh

yeah thats correct

[zealous dock]

custom scrap wont spawn on lll moons for some reason, is there a known fix for that?

[sage kayak]

#1193461151636398080 @zealous dock

[zealous dock]

oh lol

thanks

[whole galleon]

Every time I load into the same save file, all my perks are still active except running shoes (I have to rebuy running shoes every time). Is this a bug or something I need to config?

[opaque steeple]

Wrong thread?

[whole galleon]

sorry

[proud yacht]

Idk if its my scrap mods playing weirdly with this mod, brutal company minus, lethal quantities, or a weird mix of everything but i have been noticing a lot less scrap when i play with my modpack

Like ill see 3 keys in a row with like 1 actual scrap item

[mortal pendant]

this is a LLL fork, not a moon/interior, you're on the wrong thread

[sonic dome]

oh sorry

[fierce swallow]

any plans to update this fork for the new beta before v50 is finished?

[sour prawn]

wont be necessary cause all of this will just be added to LLL itself in its next update

[scarlet python]

i think batby is planning on waiting until v50 officially releases to release his update, which is why it would be nice to have a working version of LLL before then

[crisp kite]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-scropts-gif-27699673

[sour prawn]

i mean, it shouldnt take too long for zeekers to finish v50 plus batby works fast so they could just fix whatevers needed and upload it probably next day or day after

im sure theres other games to play while waiting got everything to be stable

[crisp kite]

its been fixed 😛

just cooking other stuff while i wait

[sour prawn]

see

i was right, very fast

[crisp kite]

3 houyz

[sour prawn]

though cause he added that disco ball afterwards i wouldnt be surprised if he added anything else

[scarlet python]

depends, nobody knows how long it's going to be in beta for. could be days, could be weeks

[shy tinsel]

Two players in my group just got interior desync for the first time in forever, and it was happening consistently for those two players every moon, including for Bozoros which is only configured for Circus, has anyone else had this issue since they started using LLLFixed. Most recent mod updates were loaforcsSoundAPI & TerminalFormatter, no issues before those two updated but not sure if that would be related. Nothing in console log noticeable other than LLL reporting the wrong interior for the desynced players.

[solid stump]

did they latejoin?

[shy tinsel]

Sort of. One was there from the beginning but had to leave because they were getting us stuck in waiting to land (i.e. we were all moving and talking but they weren't and when they left, the ship was able to land, nothing notable shows up in their console log here). They rejoined when we were in space and then we were able to land. They did not have interior desync while we were on Expirementation. But then it got stuck during take off, same person had to leave again.

Then they rejoined again, and the last person also joined, and then they both had interior desync from that point on. The interiors they got were one index higher than correct interior (although theirs were indexed just the same earlier in the log). They got circusflow instead of castleflow. Then they got OfficeDungeonFlow instead of Mental Hospital. Then they got Mental Hospital instead of CircusFlow. Their logs also show the "Day" being one less than the host's log.

This was their log

[shy tinsel]

This was mine

[dark owl]

anyone know if this works with LCOffice or Scarlet Devil Mansion?

[tribal hatch]

yes it does\

but it is best to configure w/ lethal quantities

[fading wren]

Hi, me and my friends got a problem:
when we create a game with some moons (Gordion Sect-0 and Minecraft Interiors) and Lethal Level Loader, whenever someone try to join the server, there's the grab: E bug and we're stuck with this screen. We also have Lethal Expansion and Minecraft Taiga moon but this one is perfectly working, and the bug happens even if we have LLL without LE.
Idk if there's another mod wich is incompatible with LLL or something else but that's really annoying and it would be very appreciate if someone can help us.

[obsidian abyss]

yo anybody know why when i play wesleys moons using LLL fixed or LLL, wesleys custom scrap doesnt spawn?

[lilac turtle]

wesley's moons don't use LLL rn

they use LE/LECore

[obsidian abyss]

ik lol

im saying that when i use LEC core and LLL fixed i still get this issue

[lilac turtle]

o

[thorny glade]

im having the same issue, has this been resolved?

[slow pecan]

what is this error [20:52:40.0920354] [Info : BepInEx] Loading [LethalLevelLoader 2.0.0.1]
[20:52:40.0955562] [Info :LethalLevelLoader] LethalLevelLoader(Fixed) loaded!!
[20:52:40.1832636] [Info :LethalLevelLoader] Transpiling GenerateNewLevelClientRpc
[20:52:40.2367025] [Error : HarmonyX] Failed to patch bool RoundManager::SpawnRandomDaytimeEnemy(UnityEngine.GameObject[] spawnPoints, float timeUpToCurrentHour): System.Exception: Cannot assign method return type System.Boolean to __result type UnityEngine.GameObject for method bool RoundManager::SpawnRandomDaytimeEnemy(UnityEngine.GameObject[] spawnPoints, float timeUpToCurrentHour)
at HarmonyLib.Public.Patching.HarmonyManipulator.EmitCallParameter (System.Reflection.MethodInfo patch, System.Boolean allowFirsParamPassthrough, Mono.Cecil.Cil.VariableDefinition& tmpObjectVar, System.Collections.Generic.List`1[HarmonyLib.Public.Patching.HarmonyManipulator+ArgumentBoxInfo]& tmpBoxVars) [0x00471] in <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_0471
at HarmonyLib.Public.Patching.HarmonyManipulator.WritePostfixes (HarmonyLib.Internal.Util.ILEmitter+Label returnLabel) [0x001a5] in <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_01A5
at HarmonyLib.Public.Patching.HarmonyManipulator.WriteImpl () [0x00234] in <474744d65d8e460fa08cd5fd82b5d65f>:IL_0234

[lilac turtle]

Main game is now on v50 and this doesn't work on v50

Will need to go to previous version or wait for the main LLL to update

[spare pier]

When lll updates to v50 this mod will become obsolete

[wary jungle]

What is that reupload

[steel vapor]

Fraud detected?

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zhelderon/LethalLevelLoaderFixed/

[wary jungle]

Works with v50

[steel vapor]

oh

OH

[scarlet python]

looks incredibly sus to me

[steel vapor]

idk man

sus as fuck

Im calling the feds

[royal furnace]

Especially with the source just linking to the main source code, might be worth diffing the decompiles

[mental quarry]

Batby is working on pushing an official update

I wouldn't touch that

[thorny glade]

i want shotguns to be able to spawn in as scrap on a particular moon, what is their ingame name so that i can put them as a scrap?

i tried shotgun, didnt work

im gonna try double-barrel next

[split igloo]

not at all, terminal still cannot use and game crash

[wary jungle]

Probably mod conflicts with your pack

worked fine for me

[mental quarry]

@vague crest any idea what they changed to make it work with v50? Cus they don't even link to their own source they just link yours which is really sus to me. I would much prefer if a version is gonna support v50 it'd be yours so the fake one can be taken down XD

[steel vapor]

Truly sus

[thick helm]

yeah i don't see it

like i tried it just now

and you just can't go to the moons tab in the terminal

[vague crest]

No idea what is this, it's not even forked from my repo

[thick helm]

as much as i'd wanna assume it's a virus that i just installed and ran on my computer 3 times now
i have yet to have all of my important files encrypted with a threat that they'll be destroyed if i don't pay ransom

[vague crest]

Checked the diff real quick, it just a fix of my fix, i assume it's ok to use (especially if it works in v50)

He just didn't take the time to add some changelog or info in the description of the mod

litteraly 30 secs

whatever

[mental quarry]

Well someone tested it it doesn't work, the game error spams after pulling the lever which

I'm not surprised

[wary jungle]

I'm literally playing with it rn and it works perfectly

[mental quarry]

Can you land the ship though?

[wary jungle]

yeah

Am I blessed or something? Why am I the one who always get things to work lol?

[mental quarry]

@vague crest What did they even change?

To make it work?

Cus it's still odd they didn't even link their source and just linked yours

😆

I'm gonna guess they removed the terminal code and recompiled?

I'm sure whatever they did you could just do an official update for your mod, I'd trust that more than the reuploaded one personally

Cus Batby is working hard on their 1.2.0 update for LLL atm

[vague crest]

They changed some object casting types and i see some changes on mob spawn and terminal keywords changes

[mental quarry]

Ooh

Yeah the Terminal issue was the main thing I knew about

[timber flax]

No idea why but having updated to v50 and tried out the ominous new LLL fork of a fork these moons are showing up on my moon catalogue

[wary jungle]

Yeah same

if you want them hidden you'll probably need to go into LLL's config and make them hidden

[timber flax]

mhm

Just wondering where they are from

[somber bridge]

added in new update

[wary jungle]

v50

[somber bridge]

Artifice and Embrion are supposed to be hidden

Liquidation isn't even implemented

I think it softlocks if you try to land

[wary jungle]

you just can't

doesn't recognize the moon

[mental quarry]

I'm gonna wait for LLL to officially update tbh

I don't trust the reuploader

[wary jungle]

Refract said that he looked at the code

[mental quarry]

Yeah but they didn't decompile it

And they said they assume it's safe, didn't confirm it

I rather wait

[mental quarry]

Unless they post the source or someone takes the time to completely decompile it there could be underlying issues and LLL's dll is huge lol

I'm glad it's working for some though

It seems to be a mixxed bag whether it works or not from what I'm seeing

[wary jungle]

Every interiors seems to work except SDM, which makes the game softlock on a black screen when launching a save

[mental quarry]

That might be due to the custom items it has

[wary jungle]

MoreInteriors also has custom items no?

And Poolrooms

[mental quarry]

Well SDM

Also has the custom Knight enemy.

Which is probably mad brokey

[wary jungle]

Could be, tho Shrimp from Office did seem to work

[radiant tinsel]

SDM?

[wary jungle]

ScarletDevilMansion

[radiant tinsel]

👍

[sick knot]

o

thansk for testing!

huge

[ember salmon]

wait so LCOffice worked with it?

[wary jungle]

Well it didn't cause any issue when launching a save, I'll try to get inside the interior to see

[ember salmon]

sick

do you know what's causing this btw?

with the office mod?

[wary jungle]

I tried to hide Liquidation from the moon list and everything broke lol

[wary jungle]

No, sorry

[sick knot]

zeekerss anti-tampering™️

[timber flax]

aye it seems like modifying the LLL configs make the moon catalogue inaccessible

[wary jungle]

yeah exactly

not that big of a deal for me tho

[sick knot]

aye, you got a list of mods that def work/ dont work?

ty!

weird dont see office in there

[wary jungle]

Because no one added it

[sick knot]

aha

[wary jungle]

These interiors should all work except SDM

[sick knot]

tyty

how are moons tho 👀

[wary jungle]

Had all of these enabled and they didn't cause any problems, tho I didnt land on all of them

[sick knot]

oki, guess ill wait for the updates then

[wary jungle]

They should work

[thick helm]

quick question

can you send your specific file?

[wary jungle]

my file?

you mean my profile code?

[thick helm]

no no

like the dll for the lethallevelloader you're using

not the profile code or the mod link

[wary jungle]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zhelderon/LethalLevelLoaderFixed/

[thick helm]

just the specific file

[wary jungle]

what

how is it any different from downloading it?

[thick helm]

well i've tried it and it didn't work

so i wanna see if just taking the file you have

and local importing it

somehow works

[wary jungle]

It would do the same thing

Make sure og LLL is disabled

[thick helm]

i don't have og LLL

only that

just try it and see if it works

bc right now it looks like you're the only person who isn't having problems with it

[wary jungle]

it's literally the same thing as downloading it

You're probably having mods conflicting

[steel vapor]

I can vouch!

https://tenor.com/view/descend-tom-ellis-lucifer-morningstar-lucifer-come-down-gif-17820291

The fraudulent unlabeled scam likely LLLFixed indeed worked for v50 for me

However

I don’t trust that shit dawg

I tried Terminal Formatter, Rosie’s Moons,

Both worked on v50 with the sketch scam likely 100% a scam virus implanted in my c drive now LLLFixed

[wary jungle]

Yeah all moons and interiors work

except SDM

[steel vapor]

SDM has a lot of custom events and features

That’s probably understandable

What not understandable is some wizard making LLLFixed v50 compat, refusing to change literally a single word from the original LLLFixed, and then not even have any form of communication

[plain anchor]

Does anyone else experience going into the terminal and not be able to come back from it?

[unborn lance]

Ya once the v50 LLL update comes out for real, it should be quick to fix these issues

[timber flax]

yes, that's kind of the big problem at the moment. batby is currently working on a v50 release of LLL which is currently not on Thunderstore and is very experimental. LLLFixed has this funny reupload that gets rid of that problem, but the original has the issue like the stable release of main.

[unborn lance]

Can't do nothing but twindle my fingers till then

[mental quarry]

Yeah it's why I don't trust it tbh

[regal quarry]

its kinda crazy that it just works

[sick knot]

@static pivot

[static pivot]

ah nice

[plain anchor]

I thought the (fixed) meant that it works already 😭 and im not gonna touch LLLFixed because it seems really shady

im just rather gonna wait until tommorow

[terse palm]

Hmm, for me, it seems to work. But enemies no longer spawn on custom moons. Is this a known issue?

[sick knot]

I'm judging by the fact that it's been here all day and no one took actions against it

[sick knot]

Inside or outside? What moon?

[terse palm]

outside

[sick knot]

weird

mine spawn

try deleting your lll config, if that doesn't help it might be a conflict or a moon issue

[terse palm]

eve, mantif, afliction(fot this one no enemy except the prespawned hoard bugs spawn)

[sick knot]

I tried auralis and harloth, those two seemed to spawn just fine

[steel vapor]

I immediately snitched to the thunderstore janitors, their reasoning for not shooting it with a nuke is that “it’s a v50 port of the mod”

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-really-huh-shock-gif-10564007

[wary jungle]

hmmm

[sick knot]

its just lllbeta but uploaded to thunderstore

[static pivot]

i swear the people that run the thunderstore are so bad sometimes lol

hardly ever care about people stealing and making lazy ports of other people's stuff

usually for clout

[mortal pendant]

they're more just acting wnv they see smth/wnv smth gets reported

they do care but arent always active

[storm flint]

So if this was just a port of the original LLL to v50, that means the abhorrent desyncing issues still occur right?

[wary jungle]

No this is just an upload of the v50 LLL beta by batby

[storm flint]

So this is the version that fixes the desyncing?

[spare pier]

I mean there is no way to stop copies from uploading

[mortal pendant]

it is beta so it migth/will break other stuff

[spare pier]

But they should delete it

Gonna lead to a lot of misunderstandings

<@&1184851104568201276>

[hidden hearth]

what

[fallow goblet]

same

[mortal pendant]

this

[hidden hearth]

@fallow goblet what is le consensus on this

[spare pier]

Yuh you should remove asap

Before content creators start seeing this and thinking it’s a stable release

[fallow goblet]

Even if its licensed for redistribution we bonk packages with confusingly close names or that impersonate the original

if you fork an open source project make it clearly distinct

[hidden hearth]

i mean this isn't really a fork

[fallow goblet]

what is it then? It looks like a fork

[fallow goblet]

also don't just take a screenshot, link the package in question

[lilac turtle]

I'll take a guess it's the experimental test version from https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1228961224126103632

[sick knot]

it seems that the author is on this server also

[static pivot]

seems like the person just took it from someone else and uploaded it when it wasn't ready

[wary jungle]

He just took Batby's unfinished work and published it

[mortal pendant]

from what has been said it seems a direct upload of the beta version that batby is working on

[hidden hearth]

I can't compare the two DLLs right now because

• I'm eepy
• I'm not on pc

[static pivot]

I really really doubt they are different

this has happened to batby before

[hidden hearth]

better safe than sorry.

[static pivot]

where they just take his stuff that all of us rely on and reupload it

is there someone that can?

It is very scummy and not good practice

it will drive out the people who do all the work if others can just reupload their stuff

[hidden hearth]

till batby comes here and says to bonk it, I'm not gonna do anything

[static pivot]

great

[hidden hearth]

you can ping the other two active janitors

[hidden hearth]

@static pivot it's been bonked

have a glass of wine

[crisp kite]

They probably meant well but people get impatient and try to use test builds for casual play

[whole surge]

@vague crest 【V49】I found that when using 【LethalLevelLoaderFixed v1.1.0】 and 【Lategame_Upgrades v3.5.0~v3.5.5】 at the same time, All custom moons mods relying on 【LethalLevelLoader】 will fail to load. I noticed that 【Lategame_Upgrades v3.5.0~v3.5.5】 needs to use CSync and FixPluginTypesSerialization to function in the version.I'm not sure exactly which mods are conflicting.I think if need to use the Lategame_Upgrades v3.5.0~v3.5.5, it's better don't use LethalLevelLoaderFixed

[twilit osprey]

I haven't had a working computer for over a week

[twilit osprey]

The Creator can use a more strict licence version that doesn't allow redistribution if they don't want people re-uploading their work.

[static pivot]

I was just heated since hearing about not much action taken against cases like this in the past from people talking about it to me. I see it way too often in other communities and it really gets my goat when people take other's work and upload it without credit or anything. Less so about the license, but about the principle of it all

And I should rephrase I meant "so bad at dealing with things swiftly sometimes" as that was my main concern, not that anyone is bad on the team lol

It just takes one instance of a bad actor to drive out a talented modder from the scene so that's why I was so riled up about it, so sorry about that. I know not all things can get dealt with immediately

[twilit osprey]

Its all up to the licensing that the mod creator is using. We always removes forks that are too similar to the original that don't make it obvious it's a fork, we check which copyright version they're using and if it allows re-uploads. If they don't credit or its a blatant copy with nothing added or it's a lazy re-upload, it's gone the second we spot it or someone catches it before us.

[static pivot]

That makes complete sense, thank you for taking the time to take action against it 🙂

[twilit osprey]

Also have to keep in mind, there's only a small hand full of us that has the authority to remove stuff from the TS and we can't have our eyes on it 24/7. There's hundreds of thousands of uploads since this discord's creation, sure, we could hire more volunteers but more people ≠ more efficient moderating 😪

[static pivot]

yeah that is true too, I imagine the sheer volume of uploads doesn't help at all either lol

[shell lichen]

does this work with v50?

[rotund pagoda]

I think no, LLL was taken down today around noon. Still waiting for main LLL to be updated.

[shell lichen]

that sucks

[rotund pagoda]

But I heard that Batby is posting new update just now

so maybe tomorrow, we will see..

[thick helm]

wait really??

do you know why?

[rotund pagoda]

I don´t know, but I´m expecting LLL to be updated really soon 😉

[spare pier]

💯

[opaque steeple]

Neither LLL nor LLLF were taken down.

[wary jungle]

It was the LLLFixed fork for v50 that was taken down

And also soneone reuploaded Batby's experimental release and that also tsken down

[hidden hearth]

LLLFixed fork for v50 got taken down for having a too similar name as the original fork

shrug2

[fallen leaf]

Wait

What's the alternative to it though

[hidden hearth]

im a janitor not a support guy

dont ask me

shrug2

[fallen leaf]

Well that's just terrible

QUESTION

Can I reupload it with the proper changes

Or just find another

[hidden hearth]

ask the person who made the fork for permission to be sure

[fallen leaf]

He's not in the discord

[hidden hearth]

well then

[fallen leaf]

And no contact :(

[hidden hearth]

shrug