Biodiversity - Expanding upon LC's fauna and their relationship with their habitats.

[sly sail]

and 1 with bracken slowing time

thing is to bring bracken things to discover and fidget with

she will let them down when she's done with them and wont get angry if you take them back

[fathom spire]

i was thinking that you could make aloe bracken and flowery bracken (maybe rename it to poppy/lavender bracken) skins of eachother since i feel you could combine mechanics from both into one

[fathom spire]

so its just giving her stuff to play with basically?

[sly sail]

thing is, Aloe es more of a "conditionally aggro" mob and Flowery is a "conditionally passive" one

like, you gotta befriend Flowery first via bees

[sly sail]

yeah kinda, but you also gotta stay kinda close, maybe get 4 items at once?

[fathom spire]

hmm

so basically flowery is pacified while aloe is angered

[sly sail]

yeah, kinda

[fathom spire]

ok that makes sense

[sly sail]

althogh as stated, a pacified Flowery can be Enraged if you steal her flower at her safe space/home

making her a pretty aggresive and dangerous bracken

kind of a bee thing, you get hive/flower, you may die in the process

also disabling the time slow for the rest of the day(and if Aloe is present she will be disbled too, as she will try to fix the plant for her friend)

[fathom spire]

still though, i feel like a bracken that takes you hostage if you're low to nurse you back to health is somewhat similar to a bracken that takes your items and you hostage to give an advantage to the rest of your team

i do get the appeal though, i'll give it some thought

[fathom spire]

ahh right, yeah

i forgot about the flower part

[sly sail]

its just a different kind of thing

like, flowery will mainly be near her flower

meanwhile Aloe does wander off so much

even getting into facility at times

where she can be mistaken with a regular bracken

(both have glowey eyes)

[fathom spire]

i do like that yeah

also aloe vera has the same spiky shape that the bracken's back does

so she'd be pretty easy to mistake

maybe some other physical attribute would be good to tell her apart aswell

[sly sail]

maybe if flowery bracken is present they share same safe spot and aloe would have some accesory

as flowery like to use scrap as accesories

love the shinies

[fathom spire]

nevertheless i'm really really happy you guys got so much out of this base idea for a mod that you came up with like, 6 or 7 variants in a day lmao

[sly sail]

thing is, which flower should flowery have?

sakura would be cute, pink bracken

[fathom spire]

i was thinking because of the calming, slowing down time thing it could be lavenders

[sly sail]

purple bracken

[fathom spire]

i love the smell of lavenders, my neighbors used to have a bush in their front yard and i would take a bit of time as i walked by to take a whiff

shit is crazy

[sly sail]

"+Big Sniff sounds+ good shit"

[tawny herald]

Variants

Loot Bug Variants

Light Bug
Honey Feeder
Bloat Bug

Earth Leviathan Variants

Water Wyrm (ogopogo)
Robot Leviathan (???)
Flyworm
Wormhole Leviathan

Spider Variants

Tarantula
???
???

Circut Bee Variants

Interior Bees
Queen Bee (???)
Circuit Termite (???)

Nutcracker Variants

Wax Soldier (???)
Fencer (???)
???

Thumper

Rumbler (Outdoor Thumper/Worm Awakener)
Full Thumper
Mama Thumper (???)

Ghost Girl Variants

Phantom Man
???
???

Spore Lizard Variants

Mud Lizard
Pheromone Lizard (???)
???

Bracken Variants

Aloe Vera
Flowery Bracken (???)
Nettle Bracken (???)
Fun guy
Dog Variants

Spineless Hyenas (???)
Jawless Wolves (???)
Pawless Hounds (???)

Baboon Hawk Variants

Metal Hawk
???
???

(???) means may not be added ??? means not decided

please tell me if i messed up/forgot something

[fathom spire]

i think a green (aloe), red/yellow (base), purple (flowery) and yellow (the dude im bouta show rn) is a good color group

[fathom spire]

sick sick!! thank you for keeping track brother

[tawny herald]

900+ messages i had to scroll through

[fathom spire]

oh i didnt see anyone mention a tarantula or all the other thumper variants i dont think

[fathom spire]

my goat fr

you're biod's strongest soldier

[sly sail]

what if baboon hawks made the Flowery bracken slow time harder? like, would fight for her items

[fathom spire]

i feel like i've said this but imma say it again just cuz i feel it's appropriate rn btw

i dont think im gonna add trios of variants for each vanilla monster unless we make them all quite simple

simply because if we do want this mod to come out at some point it'd take a looong time to get all of those really unique entities in there

and i overall prefer quality over quantity

[tawny herald]

masa mentioned rumbler like once and we talked about an outside one that didnt lose legs bc of it being outside away from radiation i think

[fathom spire]

which is why for some ideas i kinda mash em into one single monster to prevent clutter and such

[tawny herald]

tarantula idk where i got that

[sly sail]

another thing could be for modder to choose the ones we vote for, like having a Vote and vote for 7 of these

[fathom spire]

oh i thought that was the mother thumper

[fathom spire]

true!

i'd like that honestly

[tawny herald]

no votes please

im begging

[sly sail]

thing is, some of these help over not dying to others

like floaty bugs

and ogopogo

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/join-the-cause-boycott-the-mob-vote-don't-vote-antimobvote-give-us-all-3-gif-14699952556733129113

[tawny herald]

it would be like minecraft mob votes

[tawny herald]

exacty

omg

exactly

[fathom spire]

but yeah, thats why for stuff like the water leeches that (i think) lunar suggested i decided to just turn them into ogopogo's attack method

[sly sail]

https://tenor.com/view/help-lethal-company-moth-man-braken-goopy-gif-9846697269112691992

[tawny herald]

i wanted the water leviathan/wyrm

[fathom spire]

or why i was thinking of merging flowery and aloe together while still including their more standout features

[tawny herald]

i did not want a water snare flea

[sly sail]

this could be Aloe inside(just carrying the patient to safe space)

[fathom spire]

oh it was lord ham yeah

anyway ik i said i wanted quality over quantity but i had this cooking ever since last night so imma just plop him here

the fun guy

[sly sail]

SHROOMIE GUY

although shrooms are FAR away from plants though, would it be more of a convergent evolution?

[tawny herald]

so then players can trade with aloe/flowery and if they are damaged the aloe will kidnap you and heal you

[tawny herald]

Shroom giant?

[fathom spire]

yeah, it's more of a convergent

[sly sail]

i believe they said was a bracken

[fathom spire]

just like how skyworms look kinda similar to dogs in their head design

the fun guy would be a risk/reward type

i designed him with camera guys in mind (the people who stay at the ship)

he would disguise himself as a mushroom, reducing its size by compressing itself

and would stalk outside enemies when they spawn

its main thing is that it doesnt usually attack people, it attacks monsters

[tawny herald]

hmm

[fathom spire]

its a parasitic life form, so its purpose is to bond with another monster

it would stalk the monsters on the outside and attach itself to them, making them more rabid and unpredictable

[sly sail]

Baboonhawk army for real

[fathom spire]

the way you deal with it is just looking at it

[sly sail]

that usually enrages brackens tho

[fathom spire]

it's pretty shy and doesn't like eye contact, so if you see it approaching an enemy outside just look at it and it will reduce in size and scurry away

[fathom spire]

well yeah, it's a play on the bracken's ai

instead of looking at it and then away, you maintain eye contact

[tawny herald]

This is going to be big i feel it

[fathom spire]

but just like the bracken if you don't check on it it'll get away with whatever its trying to do

the real risk and reward play comes in when you yourself can assimilate with a fun guy

[sly sail]

"prolongued eye contact, PROLONGUED EYE CONTACT, prolongued eye contact"

[fathom spire]

if you get too close to a fun guy it would naturally attach itself to you

this would basically just be a free, full charge tzp

but you would die after some time (lets say like, 5 minutes)

it could also make you stronger physically but im still thinking about it

the fun guy though, by the end of the day, will probablya lready be assimilated to another monster or have gotten eaten by baboon hawks

[sly sail]

but it was worth it, cause it was for the company🫡

[tawny herald]

They should be able to stack on one monster

[fathom spire]

(and assimilated into one)

[tawny herald]

so if they stack enough it could be lethal

[fathom spire]

i was thinking their power level should be 3 so no more than 1 can spawn at a time, but this could be fun too!

[fathom spire]

an absolute rabbid eyeless dog that has insane hearing and slides for miles? count me in

[tawny herald]

that would be the stage right before it dies

as in if one more attaches its dead

[fathom spire]

this is why i liked the nettle bracken's status effect

i feel like it shouldnt just be an "oh goddammit i got hit with this"

there should be some positives to it also that you can take advantage of

which is my phylosophy with most of these monsters

except for ogopogo

ogopogo's just a bitch

[tawny herald]

Like running faster or longer

Mushroom Steroids

[fathom spire]

i think the tzp just allows you to run for longer

it's honestly just the tzp buff with maybe a strength buff to go with it

fucked up vision included

(though, again, not as harsh as using up a full tzp)

[tawny herald]

State before death is just called 'room rage

[fathom spire]

LMAO YESS

now we're talking

[tawny herald]

I think variants is base mod but egg expansion is an addon

[fathom spire]

meh

if we add more than jsut the thumper and skyworm eggs yeah

[tawny herald]

Yeah

Egg should come with genetic engineering

the more eggs youve collected/hatched the more upgrades you can do with an egg

kind of like the upgrades mod (forgot what it was called)

So if you get fun guy egg you can upgrade speed and effect strength

[fathom spire]

compressed fun guy

it shakes cuz its scared that you saw it

[sly sail]

he must be "fun" at parties

[tawny herald]

Skyworm and thumper would have speed and strength upgrades as well as acceleration

Genetic Engineering mechanic would be in egg addon

[fathom spire]

yeah that'd def be like a different mod

that changes like the whole gameplay loop kinda

[tawny herald]

it would prob be a ship upgrade with a terminal like function and it holds one egg. then you can enter the "terminal" on this thing and upgrade the egg before it hatches. finally, when you are done, you put it on the incubator so it doesnt die.

[fathom spire]

could i repost this so i can update the "progress" on the concept development of each myself?

like, just post the message again

also so xu can pin it

[tawny herald]

Sure

[fathom spire]

sick! thanks lunar

again tysm for documenting each of these

[tawny herald]

youre welcome!

[fathom spire]

Variants
TBD: To be discussed.
🌀 : Prioritized for development.
🤝 : Mutualistic

Loot Bug Variants

Light Bug (Concept Finished)
Honey Feeder (Concept Finished) 🌀
Bloat Bug (Concept Finished)

Earth Leviathan Variants

Water Leech & Ogopogo (Concept Finished) 🌀
Forge Behemoth (TB Drawn)
Lung Dragon (Concept Finished) 🤝 (with The Pit)

Circuit Bee Variants

Circuit Termite (TBD, but simple enough to be added)

Nutcracker Variants

Wax Soldier (Concept Finished) 🌀
Tin Turret (Concept to be written)

Thumper

Mama Thumper (Concept to be polished)

Ghost Girl Variants

The man in the bowler hat (Bowler Brain) (Concept to be polished)

Spore Lizard Variants

Mud Lizard (Concept to be finished)
The Pit (Concept Finished, needs Docx) 🤝 (with Lung Dragon)

Bracken Variants

Aloe Bracken (Concept to be written) 🌀
Fun Guy (Concept to be polished)

Snare Flea Variants

Bobbit Worm (TBD)

Masked Variants

Dark Mirror/The Painted (Concept to be polished)
Lock Dagger (Concept to be polished) 🌀

Manticoil Variants

Megacoil (Concept to be polished)

Coilhead Variants

Rad(io)arhead (Concept to be polished)

Hydrodere Variants

Murkydere (Concept to be polished)

@dull needle could you pin this one?

[fathom spire]

ok there's the status on all of these from my perspective

tbd mostly means im iffy on their inclusion or need to know more about them to be sure they're different enough to warrant inclusion

i'm mostly looking for mechanics that spice up gameplay, give something for the player to look out for etc

thank you all for the contributions!

also because i havent talked about this

bowler head (the man in the bowler hat/phantom man/ghost girl variant) is just

(the head doctor from jojo's bizarre adventure part 8)

of course mechanically he doesn't really take anything from the character

i just fuck w the fit and the concept

also i've kept this fucking aggie.io alive for more than a fucking week at this point

[tawny herald]

what do you draw with?

just your mouse or a tablet or something

also whats the new worm looking one all the way to the right?

[sly sail]

lil question, are you a natively spanish speaker? i see spanish over on your tabs

[fathom spire]

yeah im from argentina lmao

[sly sail]

ohhh, im from spain

[fathom spire]

just noticed i doxxed my favorites bar

yeah! i assumed you spoke spanish from your name (dont ask me how i could just tell)

[fathom spire]

i use a wacom intuos

[sly sail]

Adrián is a common name is spanish i believe

[fathom spire]

yeah! it's pretty common, i know like 3

[sly sail]

also could be Adriana(i believe Adriana is more common in english than Adrián

[fathom spire]

oh that was just a small practice worm i drew to get warmed up for theother two

[sly sail]

i've been mistaken so many times as a girl on Sky cotl cause of it

[fathom spire]

oh lmao im so sorry

[sly sail]

dw, outfits dont seem to make it any easier either

[fathom spire]

yeah the shortening of adrian can be taken either way so it makes sense

[sly sail]

back on those days i used many "long" hairs on Sky cotl

so it was easier for me to be mistaken, although i was confused tbh

[fathom spire]

playing left4dead right now but it'd be funny if stacking tzp on top of the fun guy buff would just overdose you

[cobalt turret]

No that was the landshark thumper

[sly sail]

the fact is that it didnt lose its legs cause it didnt need to eat them to get out of the egg(radiation has nothing to do with losing the hind legs)

regular thumpers eat their legs to get out of the egg(dont really know why, but maybe they are something that's not actually needed?, or just them being rabid sharks, either works)

[sly sail]

that would be funny, like when you use the jetpack and go too high and explode

you would use the tzp and just fall flat to the ground, or randomly ragdoll, no blood, just you on the ground(could also has a 2 or 3 second timer and then fall down, so you run and get some momentum, so you fall even flatter face first into the ground)

[woven snow]

same lol

Metal Eaters (Termites i think they're called)

-They would eat the scrap they find outside the ship, so if there is a metal eater near your main entrance or fire exit you gotta lead the scrap out of there

-If you grab the scrap while a Metal Eater is eating it they will try to attack you (10 damage per hit but they are kind of fast)

-In addition, the scrap price will lower slowly, not making it dissapear instantly when a Metal Eater is eating it

-This could also change, as they could be named Eaters and eat anything but Metal (since metal is too nerfed in storms)

-They could eat the following list of Scrap: Ducks (the scrap) Pickles, Paintings (very slowly), Masks (i thought of an idea that if a Eater eats a mask he dies) And other non metal things

I think it's a good idea, but it probably already is an existing idea

[sly sail]

funfact, the flasks are metal(they atract thunder) and i think the fart cushions are too

[woven snow]

lol

[fathom spire]

ohhh

what was that one's thing?

territorial?

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/vamos-argentina-gif-9928833

[cobalt turret]

Mama Thumper was territorial, Rumbler digs through the ground and dashes up in surprise while their 'rumbling' also attracts leviathans

[fathom spire]

ahh ok

[fathom spire]

i do like the concept but ever since my friend said "i don't like games where shit is just taken away and you cant do shit about it" i've been against enemies that eat scrap

enemies that take scrap is something but eating it/reducing its value is a bit extreme

the original idea for the honeyfeeder was for it to reduce the prize of beehives but reduce the threat level

but that was lame so i scrapped it

then i figured out a way for it to add more value while also providing more challenge but since nobody said they particularly liked it i'm very iffy on it still

[woven snow]

Well, there's hoarding bug

[sacred ferry]

randomly returning to this thread remembered this thing i thought of that i think would fit the whole enemy interactions of this mod (hopefully not like interrupting anything rn lol) but i think like spiders should hunt hoarding bugs/snare fleas/generally any interior monster that wouldnt be intelligent enough to avoid its webs like brackens

[fathom spire]

yeah but those take away the scrap

they don't delete it

also they're pretty weak, and can be outplayed by leaving the scrap outside

[woven snow]

Yeah but the thing about termites is that they would have a nest and you dont place stuff near it

[fathom spire]

hmm

ok if there's a nest that's a bit better

they could wander around the nest but not go too far from it

there're already termites in the circuit termintes though (which i believed were a post-apparatus only enemy)

buut i could find something for the metal eaters to do

good suggestion

[cobalt turret]

Only gonna name drop for now but had some concept ideas for locusts & manticoils

For locusts it was flies attracted to corpses, moths attracted to light & spider swarms that hate warmth/light
For manticoils it was indoor manticoils that are four winged bats, giant manticoil that has a nest in high places & a even bigger manticoil with a giant claw that picks people up

Masa tired so uhh yippeeeee. Also werent the termites like, gonna be mansion-only circuit bees that gnaw on wood floor tiles/walls?

Itta sleepy time tho, so whoever's still awake, you have fun with your idea crafts! 💜

[fathom spire]

great manticoil idea!!

I'll keep it in mind, definitely want some manticoil love

I'll be writing docs on the two (maybe three if i decide the pit is a worm) worm variants today, so if you guys would like to discuss those I'd be more than happy to do so!

[cobalt turret]

Oh! Thought the wormhole was going to be a Spore Lizard variant 😅

Definitely giddy about that and the Flyworm though, but also the Destroyer. Feel like that mech worm is going to look absolutely terrifying if done right

Also had a idea for the whole 'digging up scrap outside' thing we had going with the Metal Detector and the worm etc because Masa got a bit of a loop going on with that and how it could help with infirmation while also being a potential hazard by itself

Guess that could be considered part of the worm talk?

[fathom spire]

i'm still thinking about it

it's sort of half and half, since it would be a neutral entity like the spore lizard but long and winding like a worm

both worms and spore lizards have gaping circular mouths

but the spore lizard does have more of a grassy look to it

[fathom spire]

true true!

i still think the metal detector and fishing rod ideas could be their own thread though

it's an expansion that would fit biodiversity but also kind of huge in scope and not entirely related to the premise of the mod

kind of like the egg expansion that lunar (and masa) proposed

[cobalt turret]

Masa also proposed that

Also came across something interesting just now

[fathom spire]

still thinking of a different name for the flyworm lmao

i'm open to suggestions

[cobalt turret]

Monitor lizards are known for working together to raid crocodile nests, with one distracting the mother, and the other snatching the eggs.

Possible interactions maybe with Wormholes and Mud Crocs?

[cobalt turret]

Cloud Leviathan

OH

Loft Leviathan

Or a Helium Leviathan!

[fathom spire]

balloon beast (goofy ahh name)

[cobalt turret]

Bloon

It could maybe be a Helium Leviathan and perhaps the origin of the TZP Inhaler?

Lore

Which, ontop of that, you could also give the excuse that the worm maybe screeches in the air like a whale, the high octaves coming from exhalaration of its breath while manipulation its position in the air.

[fathom spire]

helium levi would make sense if it used helium to float up, but we (or ig I) ended up settling on it just using a tail gliding technique along with quick bursts of air to navitage above ground

[fathom spire]

i imagine it would be able to turn in the air by only inflating one side of its sack (the whole sack contains two huge lungs)

[fathom spire]

i like the cloud idea cuz its feathers have an off-white coloring

so i'll probably call it Cloud Behemoth

i was also thinking Hercules Cloud/Worm maybe?

but it doesnt roll off the tongue much

[cobalt turret]

The Helium could still be used as like, a maneuvering tool as well as maybe a breathing tool, though perhaps it could be a Spore Lizard idea as well

[cobalt turret]

Oh actually, Cloud Behemoth sounds pretty cool. It kind of stays in the naming category of the Earth Leviathan too, in which the other two Worm Variants could also be named after such thing maybe

WAIT

Amphiptere could work really well for the flyworm actually

Then the MECH worm could be called <something> Behemoth

Earth Leviathan
Cloud Amphiptere
Forge Behemoth
Lake Ogopogo

COUGH

LONG AGO, THE FOUR WORMS LIVED IN HARMONY, BUT IT ALL CHANGED WHEN THE LETHAL COMPANY ATTACKED

(Get it? Because, the Forge Behemoth is fire, and the worm is created by the company to mass extract scraps?)

[sly sail]

i believe amphipteres are like winged snakes, and it doesnt really have "wings" so

like, both can fly, but the hellium/cloud behemoth doesnt have wing by themselves

which remind me of Creatures of Sonaria(Roblox game) where there are flying creatures that dont have wings, which when inflicted with the "shreded wings" effect cant fly, when they fly without any need for wings

i will never understand that, mainly a gameplay mechanic, but they should not be affecter or maybe change the effect name

[cobalt turret]

No clue what that is, Masa doesnt play roblox

Mean.. you could also call it a Lung Dragon

If you wanna go for the literal sense of a 'wingless serpent in the sky', but the amphiptere was to categorize it as a 'flying serpentine being'

Actually.. Lung Dragon isn't that bad of a name. Especially when the 'Lung' part is taken much more literally as the bodypart, lol

[fathom spire]

what were monitor lizards again?

i dont remember seeing that one on lunar's list

were those the ones that sprayed you with spores and led enemies to you?

cuz that one i decided to not include, since the mechanic is exactly the same as the light bug's pheromones

[fathom spire]

ooo

lung dragon's good

[sly sail]

its an actual animal IRL

[fathom spire]

oh neat!

[sly sail]

the one you mean was the commanding lizard

[fathom spire]

true true

[cobalt turret]

Had a funny idea for a Spore Lizard though which Masa for now dubbed as the Dragon Train (Komodo dragon + Train)

This spore lizard variant would shake its tail around left and right and make a 'chugga chugga' sound effect, and its mouth would be constantly drooling a boiling acid that released vapors. Sometimes it would randomly screech (train honk sound) and then start rushing around the interior with huge speed, spreading the vapor around until it stops at a certain point or it bumps into a player/creature.

Its bite would be very vicious, dealing 40 damage but also 50 damage over 10 seconds (5 DPS)

Thinking about it though, the Dragon Train could be split off into two Spore Lizard variants and make the train one the Helium Lizard, or just remove the Komodo Dragon one and go for Masa's other idea, a gecko spore lizard with mushrooms that can climb walls like spiders

Puffer gaming™️

[sly sail]

the way you said "Train Dragon" reminded me of Train Lizard on Rainworld Downpour

they are just a Red lizard on steroids

they are MUCH faster, have MUCH MORE health and weight i think 3 or 4 times more than the red lizard

and can see you from across the whole map

and the red lizard is already a hazard by itself

[fathom spire]

currently optimizing a modpack and messing around with xu's giant mod, but i'll get to writing the stuff today i promise 🙏

also also

masa, since you suggested the variant i wanna discuss the mech worm/forge behemoth

i'm sold on the aesthetic benefits of it but still kinda iffy on how we could make it functionally different from the lung dragon

i would also like to discuss the lore implications of it cuz i personally don't think the company could make something like the forge leviathan

i feel like it could in place be a weapon used in the war that took place on titan

ok i might've gotten sidetracked LMAO

[cobalt turret]

Rather than starting on the ground, the Forge Behemoth starts in the sky and doesnt leave the ground. It is essentially like a reverse Earth Leviathan in that category. You'd have to imagine it as a large serpent coming from orbit down into the skyline before it scans the area.

Functionally, it remains floating in the air, slowly traversing whilst its head floodlight scans the area. So think like, helicopter lights shining down on the ground. With these scanlights, should the Forge Behemoth pick up on scrap or company equipment, its lights will turn red, and the worm will dash down towards the target, and essentially do a reverse Earth Leviathan attack.

However the catch with the Forge Behemoth is that it can also reach the interior with their burrow, making the Forge Leviathan a danger for both outside and inside parties to trigger the Behemoth. Perhaps there could be certain sensors in the interior that spawns which could maybe alert the Forge Behemoth, or using certain equipments like radios, or signal transmitters can also be sent towards the Forge Behemoth, in which it could follow the signal and then go for its burrow.

The Forge Behemoth does not attack the ship, as it was designed to avoid those.

The purpose of the Forge Behemoth is that it is a spacecraft scrap extractor in the form of mass extraction. The behemoth's mouth essentially digs this and stores it inside of its mouth, where it melts the objects in a inside 'forge' for liquid transport to Gordion. However since recent times, the worm has been cut off from the main communication, roaming around the Company's solar system aimlessly, picking up its work when it comes across it.

The worm is a remnant of humanity's masterplan to keep 'Jeb' satisfied, lost to control. A sign of why the company turned so Lethal, with having to send humans in as sacrifices to collect the scrap. Their work used to be so golden..

With there being in mind that the worm is likely only 1 of itself lest something out there has replicated it, the worm's spawn chance is as rare as the Ghost Girl, making the Forge Behemoth's encounter savory, and all the more terrifying when it does happen.

Because it can come when it pleases, not bound to any rules of nature, or sleeping cycle.

Heck, to think about it..

You know how creatures usually have two names? Like how Jester has Jack in the Box, and Bunker Spider has Sand Spider?

The Forge Behemoth's second name could be Nidhogg, or Jormungandr, to reflect how humanity named the company after a legend

[fathom spire]

hmm

alright i'm more interested now, i do really like the helicopter light aspect of it

and i like that it never goes underground

im still of the opinion that i dont think the company would be able to produce something as sofisticated as that, but we could say that it was repurposed from a war machine to this

for the attack i feel a reverse earth leviathan attack is already sort of what the lung dragon's attack is

if i understood correctly it dives down and burrows as it eats whatever it found and then flies back up?

maybe to differentiate the attack methods it could swoop down (sort of like a hawk/bird of prey) and then fly back up like this

but then again that could mess with the intention for it to go into the facility

speaking of that idea

i am BIG into it

but i don't think it would be possible to implement or just very very very very hard on the dev's side

i guess you could make it so it burrows and when its body is fully under it could teleport it into the interior, where it would spawn in the void and make its way into the actual map while making a rumbling sound

then crash through and despawn once it has gotten outside the radius of the facility map

and THEN be teleported back to the overworld

that's how i think it could be implemented

if that was implemented i would allow the similarities with the lung dragon's attack pattern

[cobalt turret]

Believe the interior and the exterior exist within the same dimension, so the worm could likely reach there.

As for like the swoop thing? No.. it would defeat the entire purpose of its ability to tunnel and scoop up chunks of the land, and scraps. Masa would moreso believe that the Lung Dragon would be more befitting for that kind of behavior. Though Masa's sure that the both of them can behave differently enough.

Insert Terraria worm boss meme here

[cobalt turret]

It could be. Whatever it is, it was the company's saving grace with satisfying Jeb until it didn't. It could even be a mechanical alien that they might have excavated

[fathom spire]

true true

youre kinda right that the lung dragon could behave like that

but i dont see how it would be able to go so low and then so high with just its sack

[cobalt turret]

Bouncing?

[fathom spire]

hmmm maybe

[cobalt turret]

https://tenor.com/view/boing-boing-boing-beach-ball-huge-city-gif-18276136

[fathom spire]

shaboingboing

but yeah i'm down for the burrow into the facility thing, just worried that it might not be able to be actually put into the game since it sounds a bit complex

is it alright if i just copy paste your message here into the worms doc?

with credits, of course

[cobalt turret]

Heck, would be funny if the player could somehow revoke the Lung Dragon's bounce privileges by dunno, popping a leak in their croak

No problem, go ahead!

[fathom spire]

ooo

now you're talking

its secondary ai would probably just act like a dog until it eventually dies due to lack of air

as in, it would slide off surfaces to try and catch you

maybe it would look wrong with a creature that big though, so i'll try to think about it

[cobalt turret]

The bounce could be a two time bounce like in the gif, in which the interval between bounce 1 and 2 is just the worm kinda floating about slowly. At that point you could hit the worm's croak and maybe after a few amount of hits (of 1 shotgun shot) it pops and the Lung Dragon de-evolves into a glorified Earth Leviathan

Or that, that could work too

[fathom spire]

maybe it just instinctively burrows out of fear and dies underground, that could be another outcome

[cobalt turret]

It becomes a stranded whale

[fathom spire]

oh god yeah

just a big deathbox around the mouth until it just dies maybe?

it relies on its sack to do pretty much anything

[cobalt turret]

OMG

Maybe it cant close its mouth anymore because it kinda got popped and then stranded

What if we do the generic D&D thing and be able to go INSIDE of the worm to retrieve a certain valuable object?

However well, the worm has the chance to well, be a stranded whale and well

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-explode-clouds-of-smoke-gif-17216934

[fathom spire]

LMAO

i think that should be the forge behemoth's thing

[cobalt turret]

Almost sent the whale exploding gif but that mightve been too graphic for this server

[fathom spire]

you could crawl inside it and get something like

its battery or something

but since it's a machine it could just explode

[cobalt turret]

You'd be turned into molten mush real quick 💀 The inside of its mouth is a forge

[fathom spire]

how about retreiving some of the molten stuff inside?

it would be dead by then

[cobalt turret]

Not gonna lie, Masa does not see how we would be able to kill a Forge Behemoth

[fathom spire]

but it could have a mechanism that makes it explode after death (maybe a leftover mechanism implemented during the war to prevent enemy forces to study the machines and replicate em)

[fathom spire]

you kinda right

[cobalt turret]

It would definitely have to be a invincible entity

Especially with the size we are planning for this thing to be

[fathom spire]

what about making it swallow large amounts of explosives?

[cobalt turret]

Ehhh...

[fathom spire]

you're right in that it probably should be invincible

[cobalt turret]

Mean, for the tunneler that definitely could be a strat maybe!

Smol worm accidentally gulps landmine. Augh gorsh- 💥

[fathom spire]

YEE

ok so;

im gonna write the docs on ogopogo first, then lung dragon and then finally forge leviathan

[cobalt turret]

OMG SPEAKING OF THE TUNNELER OR 'SMALL TERRARIA CAVE WORM'

YOU COULD TOTALLY HAVE IT GULP HAZARDS IF YOU ARE PRO ENOUGH

[fathom spire]

tunneler or the forge leviathan?

[cobalt turret]

Tunneler

[fathom spire]

i was thinking the forge leviathan could be utilized in that sort of way, since turrets are metallic

[cobalt turret]

Though honestly, the Forge Leviathan could also do it ye

[fathom spire]

ye, don't wanna add that many worms

might get redundant

also, what are your thoughts on making it a titan exclusive? atleast on what would be "vanilla configs"

[cobalt turret]

Maybe for another mod

Masa did have a 'switcheroo' mod which makes it so that there's a 'outside' version of a 'inside' enemy, and vice versa

[cobalt turret]

It honestly should be any planet since it travels from planet to planet, and give it a very rare spawn chance in general

Like you'd probably not see it for atleast a few quotas kinda rare

[fathom spire]

maybe a 1 on every moon and make it most common on tier 3s and even higher on titan then?

maybe a 1, 5 and then 15?

[fathom spire]

tbf i remember playing like

a week of lethal company and not finding a single worm

on like my first week of playing

[cobalt turret]

Yeah pretty sure they are the rarest outdoor enemy

[fathom spire]

i legitimately did not know they were in the game until about like 5th or 6th session

[cobalt turret]

Perhaps yeah

[fathom spire]

alright im sold on forge

thanks for your contributions soldier 🫡

what're your thoughts (everyone's) on ogopogo btw?

is the base concept fine or should i have it behave in a different way?

[cobalt turret]

Glad you like the Forge o7

[fathom spire]

should i, lets say, not make it stationary to a certain body of water and allow it to roam around the bottom of rivers and lakes?

the only vanilla application for it roaming would be it catching people who get lost on vow

[cobalt turret]

Oh yes, let it roam. You could even have it burrow through the ground to reach other bodies of water

You could have it so that it gives audio indications whenever it roams from water body to water body

[fathom spire]

how about keeping it stationary but moving it when there's prey (employee) nearby?

my main problem with it just roaming around is that it might miss someone walking across the vow dam

[fathom spire]

i think that would alert you of its presence too much imo

i want ogopogo to be a sneaky mf, for you to not notice it until it's just about to get you

kinda like worms do

[cobalt turret]

You could have it roam towards the area it notices a player first and remain stationary there until the end

[fathom spire]

so you can panic when you hear the sound prompt

[cobalt turret]

Fair enough, thought maybe you were worried about it being too harsh to deal with lol

Masa is totally fine with it being a sneaky lil snek

[fathom spire]

i dont think he would be

if you're knowledgeable enough you would know sort of where it would be at on each vanilla map

so you would naturally avoid those spots

[cobalt turret]

True. Flooded moons do still have preset pools

[fathom spire]

thing is, a bunch of times on march beehives spawn near the crater

so ogopogo would probably try and get you while you're trying to do that

[cobalt turret]

The Ogopogo would be at its deadliest in Flooded Moons, but at its most consistent in Vow & March

(And other modded moons with water)

Ogopogo in Gorgonzola 💀

[fathom spire]

exactly

thats why bloat bugs are so cool for flooded moons

you can weasel your way out of an ogopogo spot by parkouring on em

[fathom spire]

oh god thats terrible LMAO

[cobalt turret]

Youd have to spawn a lot of them to have them actually help you tho

[fathom spire]

also ogopogo would be 100% fucked up on a flooded vow

[fathom spire]

you can still somewhat guide them with scrap if you have a buddy on the other side

[cobalt turret]

Ah

Could have it act like a pig with a carrot on a stick (minecraft)

[fathom spire]

ye! it just needs a bit of teamwork

[cobalt turret]

Lootbug boat lootbug boat

[sturdy thistle]

I want bees that I’m allergic to

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/write-that-down-taking-notes-school-universities-university-gif-17937210

[sturdy thistle]

With an epipen scrap

[cobalt turret]

Interior bees

[fathom spire]

https://tenor.com/view/enjoy-gif-26040889

[sturdy thistle]

My work here is done 😌

[fathom spire]

that actually gave me an idea lmao

[cobalt turret]

Spore Lizard but you will slowly die from them unless you tacticool your leg with a epi pen

[fathom spire]

idk what would help with this but maybe there could be an item to get rid of the effects of the fun guy parasite

so you don't die to it (but also lose the buff)

[sacred ferry]

might be a lame idea but u could get a friend to just whack it off with a shovel lol

[fathom spire]

that might be a bit too easy tbh

ooh oh wait wait

what if

this is really stupid lmao

but what if you just looked at the infected person for like

half a minute

and the parasite just dies of stress or something

just like how the fun guy hides in its compressed form when looked at

[fathom spire]

cuz legit i dont know what vanilla feature you could use to remove it LMAO

but it would be funny if there was a conveluded, stupid way to do it

[cobalt turret]

Take a shower

[fathom spire]

i was thinking that yeah

but it should have a downside, cuz otherwise you could just like

[cobalt turret]

Be involved in too many high action scenes, causing it to stress out and die (like your 30 second looking idea)

[fathom spire]

go get infected, do a buncha shit until your time is almost up

and then shower and it's gone

with no repercussions

[cobalt turret]

^

You have to be in danger in order to get it off with this one

• you can get it off solo

[fathom spire]

ooooh

dude

yeah, thats actually a thing already in the game

like, the "stress" status

[cobalt turret]

Yeah

[fathom spire]

thats when your camera gets all fucked up

[cobalt turret]

It lowers your sanity

[fathom spire]

great idea masa

[cobalt turret]

<3

However a epi pen does sound like a neat idea now though

[fathom spire]

could be a one time use thing that just kills the parasite

maybe around 120-150 in value?

like the tzp

if you're low on money you wouldnt really be able to afford it, forcing you to get the most out of the buff

and if you have money you're rewarded for saving up and you can get out of the buff unscathed

[cobalt turret]

150 in store, random chance to be found as scrap

[fathom spire]

(relatively, you still take damage every minute)

[fathom spire]

ehhh maybe a used one, idk about a usable one

[cobalt turret]

It could also refill your stamina bar, and maybe cure you of steam blindness, TZP effects or some other debuff effect that another creature could give you

[cobalt turret]

Rare chance, itd be a life saver

[fathom spire]

ok i like the stamine refill but not for a purchaseable object

that reminds me of the adrenaline item from l4d

where you get a burst of speed from it (would be stamina refill here)

[cobalt turret]

Its a one time use item that takes up a slot of your inventory

[fathom spire]

i still think it kinda undermines the risk and reward gameplay that the fun guy would introduce

like if you could just randomly find the cure in the facility that'd be a bit too easy

i don't want it to be that accessible

[cobalt turret]

Sometimes you get off easy, sometimes you are actively searching for one in the facility only to realize its rare and youre too deep in

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

Reverse psychology

[fathom spire]

ye but then you're just looking for a single, very specific item

idk, im iffy on it

if not balanced correctly it could just make the fun guy debuff too op

[fathom spire]

thats just for you and your current situation

the apparatus is also a single, very specific item but at least that helps everyone

could be fun if a friend had to order one and then go deliver it to you inside the facility so you don't die in there

[cobalt turret]

Which you could still do!

MAsa just kinda likes the idea of someone infected by a lethal fungus scrounging up in a rush around the facility trying to find the cure like its a addiction

Plays a lot into the whole 'drug' aspect of it all.

[fathom spire]

it would also make it so you could just stock up on them for free

just not a big fan of solutions being handed to me by the game itself

i'd rather figure a way out myself tbh

[cobalt turret]

That is true. Perhaps give it a value, and make it pretty rare so that you not only almost never see it, but if you happen to full wipe, you also lose it since it acts like a scrap

[fathom spire]

hmm

ok that's a biit better? i'll think abt it

[cobalt turret]

Its not super necessary to be honest, but it sounds like a fun idea. Masa's main goal with the idea is that it gives a reason for people to try and search for a cure in the interior when all hope is lost or greed instills their hearts to not want to buy a one time use item

Its more about the rush of delving deep into the dungeon to save yourself than stacking up to keep yourself safe

[fathom spire]

you could make it spawn once someone's been fun guy'd already as a way to keep it from being exploitable

[cobalt turret]

WAIT

Masa just thought of something

You know how buildings tend to have these like, first aid kits hanging around?

[fathom spire]

ye?

[cobalt turret]

Have something like that in the dungeon, hanging on a wall with a rare chance to either have a TZP inhalant or a epi pen

Designed to specifically be deep in the dungeon too!

Wait no, no loot

It has a chance to have a epi pen charge in it, kind of like the Half Life health station

That way you cant bring the epi pen along with you, you have to use it in the moment

Since its bound as a entity, rather than a scrap!

(Or well, a object. Kind of like Breaker Boxes basically)

[fathom spire]

hmmm

that could work i guess

but i dont think it's completely worth it to implement something like that for side feature from a monster that's not fully guaranteed to spawn

cuz the fun guy bonding with the employee is not a thing that would happen often, since the fun guy is scared of employees when its by itself (eye contact, being near them, etc)

[cobalt turret]

Well it could be multi purpose of course, with other debuffs, and the stamina refill

[fathom spire]

you would be able to force it to bond with you by, let's say, cornering it or smth

[cobalt turret]

Funky

[fathom spire]

anyway, currently merging the bug boys' docs into one

[cobalt turret]

Yippeee

Just realized that spiders can pretty much just be covered with Masa's mod idea from weeks ago

#1200106474823766056

[fathom spire]

oh!! i didnt know you had your own ideas thread

sick stuff man!

[cobalt turret]

Masa's got a bunch actually!

[fathom spire]

you ARE a great ideas machine

[cobalt turret]

#1205143140714156053
#1207320637761257522
#1206985374841315368
#1204447061278204034
#1202928202079797298

Nyoom

Opened them up again

Also helped with a few ideas of other people, give them input and such!

This is not just to brag btw- Some of these ideas inside the forums could potentially fit your mod idea. ^^

Though Masa will say that The Act is considered as a future project by someone :3

...Just realized that this probably looks like a bunch of #unknowns

[fathom spire]

sorry sorry i took out my dog for a walk

[fathom spire]

kind of like how the reason i haven't thought of any giant concepts is because i'd rather #1208964227835109407 deal with that

i dont wanna directly compete with what inspired this mod idea lmao

[cobalt turret]

Thats fair, however

The more the merrier

IF one idea has those giants and the other has those giants then at some point some person out there could be extremely happy about the different choices and variety that both developers brings them

[fathom spire]

i also don't have any ideas for giant variants LMAO

[cobalt turret]

Its not a competition, its a pleasure. :D

[fathom spire]

but again, would rather not think abt that and let xu figure that one out

[cobalt turret]

Fair enough lol

This is also why Masa is still making Masa's own list in the background. Not to compete, but to expand. ^^

[fathom spire]

managed to make the thumbnail picture sick as fuck

we're so back

just merged the docs too

[tawny herald]

alright so what monster ideas are we missing

[cobalt turret]

Lets goooo

[fathom spire]

i dont think we're particularly missing anything

again, im not aiming to make variants for all monsters

i just think of a cool concept that would add something of substance to the game and slap it over whatever monster fits it best

[tawny herald]

I just want to make ideas

[fathom spire]

hmm

do you have any particular areas of the game you think could be expanded upon?

[tawny herald]

i kind of want snare flea variants

Maybe an acid spitting one that stays on the wall and spits a blob of acid?

[fathom spire]

#1211892017202724885 had a really cool one

has*

[tawny herald]

it would probably be grey with green accents

yeah the longer vent flea right?

[fathom spire]

yeah!! that one was cool

[cobalt turret]

Masa has one in #1202928202079797298

Snare Flea variant designed to be a outside enemy

[tawny herald]

I honestly think an acid spitter one would be cool

[cobalt turret]

Could be neat yeah!

Masa personally also thought that a bobbit worm type of Snare Flea could be cool. One that hides in a hole in the wall and comes out with mach 10 to yoink you Jeb style

[tawny herald]

It would either spit acid on your face or spit it on the floor in front of you

[tawny herald]

I just got good idea

coexisting one

[cobalt turret]

https://tenor.com/view/bobbit-worm-gif-13204351

(This is a real animal yes youre welcome)

[fathom spire]

an enemy that would grab you and hold you still would be cool

[tawny herald]

so the termites chew holes in the wall for the bobbit to pull you through

[fathom spire]

the bobbit flea would be a good subversion of the snare flea ai

it would grab you but it wouldnt suffocate you

it would just keep you in place

then maybe some other thing could get you?

seems kinda lame, like just waiting for your demise

so i could think of something else for it to do

[tawny herald]

I think it would damage you a little bit and hold you there for a little bit

[cobalt turret]

It could deal 90 damage to you and hold you, in which you are maybe slowed down heavily like spiderwebs. And in order to detach from it you'd have to cut corner and pull it off that way

[fathom spire]

sounds good yeah

[cobalt turret]

If it takes too long it could finally have enough strength to pull you in and you just get yoinked right into the hole, body disappearing

[tawny herald]

merge acid spitter and bobbit so it bites and holds and does damage overtime

Toxic Bobbit

[fathom spire]

i was thinking maybe like

[cobalt turret]

Maybe lol, though bobbit Worms are known for shooting at their prey like a bullet

[fathom spire]

instead of killing you it would just pull you to the vent again

ok let me put this more clearly cuz im just talking very disjointedly

[cobalt turret]

This gif being the Bobbit Worm btw

[fathom spire]

so:
it could spawn from vents, then look for a spot on the wall to stick to
when someone comes by they would do exactly as a normal snare flea would do and attach themselves to the player, pulling them into the space
the player would have restricted movements like when they're in spider webs
the bobbit flea would be able to extend as far as a few meters ahead (3 employees' length worth of distance)
the player would be able to get rid of it by turning a corner and by proxy twisting its body

[tawny herald]

Merging vent and bobbit fleas?

[fathom spire]

there you go

could be vents, could be something else

i said vents cuz i rlly liked #1211892017202724885 vent idea

but honestly they should be somewhere else

more dynamic if they can choose any spot

they'd prefer long hallways, of course

[cobalt turret]

Bobbit hole

Bobbit worms are known for making their own holes pretty much. So you could maybe put those on the wall so that you have to watch the walls along with the ceiling

[tawny herald]

I think the termites should make it for them

and bobbits protect them

so they coexist

[fathom spire]

ooo yeah yeaah

cracks in the wall

[cobalt turret]

Yuh

[cobalt turret]

Maybe. Though Masa did have a idea for Termites where they can create holes in the walls which in turn could act as a extra vent for enemies to spawn through

[cobalt turret]

The length should honestly be freakily long so that people have a absolute 'WTF' moment

Bobbit worms are also very very long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSUk7AIY93w

[fathom spire]

YEAH YEAH

thats what i was thinking

[cobalt turret]

A real life bobbit worm is 3 meters long at average

They're longer than us

If not double

So a abnormally giant bobbit worm that is essentially like

Bunker Spider upscale

SHIVERS

[fathom spire]

i like this very much

[cobalt turret]

Yesss

[tawny herald]

what about slime variants?

[fathom spire]

also haven't thought of anything especially fun with those

well, i did think of a slime that's in a different state of matter

so instead of a semi-solid it would be a gas slime

and it would form when steam valves were left leaking for too long

ways to deal with it would be:
since it's quite dense you could crouch under it
OR
it starts inflicting damage when you're standing in it for too long, so you just have to be careful around steam

but yeah i just haven't thought of any interesting functions they could have

[sly sail]

the thing with slimes(Hygroderes) is that they are supposed to be made out of liquid, cause slimes are like stiky and stuff

maybe you could do a slime that can fall down and stay still in that place for the rest of the day(kinda like snarefleas, but they dont get stuck on you head and dont move afterwards)

[fathom spire]

kinda forgot that these were supposed to be related LMAO

like, kinda forgot the whole evolution aspect

but tbf i made this concept a looong time ago

also i feel like you cant rlly innovate on slimes

like, i don't wanna force anything

[fathom spire]

mmmmaaaybe

it is more interesting than the gas idea

[sly sail]

maybe a Drippy pink Hygrodere, made of sugary substances

as sugar can be sticky, or orange, so its like honey and can be found on vow and march more commonly

or just moons where bees spawn

[sly sail]

could also be connected to some indoors bee variant maybe?

[cobalt turret]

Masa's got a few variants

[cobalt turret]

ohhh, maybe if you go through it too fast it deals slime damage, but if you crouch through it you're fine? However then you need to hope it doesnt start following you xD

[cobalt turret]

Dispergere (To disperse)

A slime variant of orange color that shakes around violently a lot. This slime is very unstable, and rather than moving faster because of music, it moves slower, being bothered by tremors. If something 'trembles' too hard close to the slime, the slime will release a wide explosion from its body, like a popping bubble from boiling sludge.

The Dispergere is not harmful, although quite warm because its boiling. However its quite long, like a snail. The true danger is that whenever you commit to going to the other side of the Dispergere, there is a chance that a sludge bubble may pop up and well... combust. Do not touch those.

Specific things that can cause bubbles to pop up and trigger more frequently are : Entities disturbing the Dispergere's body, Thumpers thumping near the Dispergere, hitting the Dispergere with anything harmful, going through steam, loud sounds near the Dispergere.

Lore: "Some say Dispergeres are made due to slimes devouring too many explosives and boiling things, or slimes who escaped the arid interiors too many times and begun to naturally boil from the heat."

Detegere (To discover)

A slime variant of white color that doesnt seem to stick together a lot. This stationary, giant slime will occasionally break off smaller slimes which in turn roam the interior. These smaller slimes aim to discover the interior, be discovered, then force the other to discover them.

When a Detegere discovers a creature (or you), the Detegere will stand still, and begin to slowly raise itself up, growing itself in height. They are harmless, however their goal is to block your way, and force you to go through it to get to the other side, all while cutting down your breath. To prevent this, simply pass them before its too lethal to pass them. A catch however, is that other creatures need to follow the same rules. This could be great for stopping Coilheads, Jesters and Thumpers in their track, or even killing a Thumper!

When a Detegere dances to the music, it 'loosens up' in which you can use the shovel to cut it in half, decreasing it in size and danger. When the Detegere becomes half its size, it practically becomes a passive being that you can bring along with the power of music! What benefits it may have, who knows..

Lore: "Detegeres are the base of a slime. Colorless, and young, they discover their environment. What they eventually consume and encounter, is the process of when a Detegere becomes their new slime variant. They consume their prey and from the prey's liquids, the Detegere's body changes in hue, mimicking the consumed liquid's color. This way the undeveloped could trick their predators into thinking they are more than just a underdeveloped slime baby."

[sly sail]

DAMN, THAT IS A BIG TEXT

[cobalt turret]

We sliming

[sly sail]

i saw you typing and was trying to figure out what was taking so long

i see now

[cobalt turret]

Yes o7

Just woke up, decided to stimulate the brain

Still got one more variant to go for

[sly sail]

funfact, hygroderes actually grow in size while day passes and has a little probability to split

making 2 hygroderes

[cobalt turret]

Possidendum (To possess)

A slime variant of black color and faint tints of another color in its gleam. These slimes are said to be the roaming blood of a certain creature in space, formed and amalgamated into its own species. These slimes usually are jet black in color at first, but depending on its personality and mood, emit glows in its core. Normally, these slimes come in a much smaller size like the broken off Detegeres, however they usually have a different goal in mind: Rather than to consume their prey and evolve into a different slime species, become their prey, and make prey into their exoskeleton of hunting.

Possidendums will remain passive unless provoked with aggression. They have four color indicators that glow within their body to convey their current mood. Purple is passive, Blue is frightened, Red is aggressive & no glows is when its hunting.

Whenever they get hit, they become aggressive and attempt to jump onto the player's head to suffocate them like a snare flea, however when pulled off, it becomes blue, and runs away from the player. Whenever there's a hostile creature nearby, it also becomes blue, and books it. When a corpse is made however, or a player isn't paying enough attention to the Possidendum, it loses its color, and goes for the prey.

They will hijack a corpse, creature or player, and respawn as that creature or player, though become invincible, as the corpse is dead already, the Possidendum does not care much about the withering body. Usually when its hit while possessing a corpse you can see black liquid spewing off the body. Their eyes, shoudl the corpse have them, will now also reflect the slime's emotions.

If the Possidendum hijacks a player, it will not suffocate them, but instead insert themselves into the player, not killing them. What happens after that is a mystery, however..

[fathom spire]

sorry i haven't spoken much here today fellas!

might work with a friend to make some concept sound effects for the monsters i really want first

i want em to sound really fucking weird

of course most wouldn't be completely final, but they should maybe be used as a basis for the future

[tawny herald]

the ogopogo finna be some gurgling sounds or like whale sounding sounds

[sly sail]

i believe the lung dragon was gonna be the whale sounding worm

[fathom spire]

havent thought abt it much yet!

ogopogo would sound more godzillaey i think?

still, haven't thought much about it hehe

[cobalt turret]

Mega hissing sounds

[fathom spire]

insane new concept art just dropped 🔥

[fathom spire]

oh i forgot to send this here but i'm working on the worm documents, just gotta get masa's forge behemoth in

problem is i don't know what the design for it will be lmao

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pnvRofjjbGOlssM0z_iB6VyLzQQTlmiISwXghWlB4UQ/edit?usp=sharing

[fathom spire]

and im absolutely terrible with robot designs

[fathom spire]

so: I WILL BE TAKING SUGGESTIONS

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-spare-change-spare-some-change-begging-poor-gif-18999842

[fathom spire]

revamped the mod description aswell!

[torpid summit]

did i hear ROBOTS.

<-- insane person who likes robots

[cobalt turret]

Honestly, kinda feel like a similar design of the Destroyer in Terraria could fit pretty well--

Like, about that route

[torpid summit]

okay tahts similar to what my brain's picturing lemme cook rq

[cobalt turret]

Masa hijacking everyone's brain wavelength 2024 colorized

[fathom spire]

robots are sick but im terrible at designing them lmaoo

[cobalt turret]

THe Behemoth should be like, atleast 5 or 10 times longer than the Leviathan, just so it takes a bit for the behemoth to burrow its way up and down. Would honestly feel sick. Because like, if its as big as the earth leviathan, the appearance in the interior will pretty much be like a 1 second instantaneous thing

Make mech boi longggg, they got the entire sky to rule

[torpid summit]

that is my thought process rn

[cobalt turret]

https://tenor.com/view/shenron-dragon-ball-z-dragon-ball-dragon-fire-gif-5342788

[torpid summit]

aside from my brain thinking its mouth is like a snake's and that it unhinges its entire jaw to scoop up whatever large abandoned mass its comsuming

as opposed to the earth worm's lamprey-like maw

[cobalt turret]

Hmm.. perhaps. Though believe the.. Ogopogo might already have that?

Maybe it has a lamprey maw but more.. rectangular? Or maybe its maw acts like a Rear airplane door

[torpid summit]

entirely possible

though do imagine if we were going with a lamprey maw. you can see the faint light of the inferno within it

[cobalt turret]

Yuh!

OH

Claw of a digging machine but they act like mandibles? Kind of like a bobbit worm

Or a 'beak'. Or maybe the shapes of the digging claws are built in the mech body

Or perhaps its identical to a rocket silo?

[torpid summit]

the beak idea interests me

[cobalt turret]

tHe beak do be unique

[torpid summit]

im not cookin very fast but imma try to cook for this because i adore robots and i adore the idea of this massive worm machine in the air

[cobalt turret]

😄

[fathom spire]

forgot to give guideliens for what i think it should look like

himme a bit

i think it should have pretty sharp edges in its design, pretty geometrical and angular

I was thinking it could also have headlights or something? to have big glowing "eyes" that would illuminate whatever its looking at

and i think the color paletter should be pretty similar to that of the turret and landmine hazards

that black grainy metal texture on the turretd is just so sick

and theeen i think if any serial numbers or writing were on it it'd have to be in white

[tight moat]

What are gamers up to in here

[cobalt turret]

Making biodiversity within Lethal Company

Also cooking up a gargantuan mechanical death worm

[tight moat]

Love a bigass worm

Would it be able to burrow through the facility itself?

[cobalt turret]

Yeah, that's that plan

As far as Masa knows atleast. Believe @fathom spire found the idea cool

[fathom spire]

making variants of letcom entities with cool unique mechanics!!!

[tight moat]

Swag, have any been completed yet?

[fathom spire]

so far no one's been interested in coding em but we've been making art and stuff

just visual concepts and docs!!

you can check pins for them

[tight moat]

Discord mobile

Oh wait it's nested in the settings wtf

[fathom spire]

oh LMAO wtf

fuck discord mobile

[tight moat]

Anyway what's a wax soldier

[fathom spire]

oh its from that children's story about the little wax soldier that falls in love with a ballerina doll

and he's missing a leg and blablabla

the idea came about when trying to adapt jawtrap's idea of a melee fighting nutcracker variant into this mod's vision

[tight moat]

Has a wax soldier been drawn up yet or

[fathom spire]

nah I'm focusing on the more animalistic designs first

i could draw him up though

he wouldn't be very different from the illustrations of the story though

i image he'd become weaker when near the mansion's chimney fire and other light sources

or... stronger, light sources

but it'd only get slower, you wouldn't be able to kill it by just getting it close to the fire

I'm not super focused on it yet since i prefer to come up with more natural life forms and concepts

i woulda never come up with the forge behemoth lmao

but i ended up liking the concept so i included it

even though it doesn't really reflect the vision i have for the mod

[tight moat]

I feel like the sword guy design was pretty fresh imo

[sacred ferry]

fencer my beloved [insert heart locket gif]

[tight moat]

I still think Toy/Tin Soldier would be a better name personally

[fathom spire]

yesh but i wanna make it more distinct

plus I don't think jawtrap would like me taking their design

plus

i think he said they're tryina do smth with it

like a separate mod

wouldn't wanna take their idea away

[tight moat]

Oh ok

[fathom spire]

if it were like the fencer yeah

you can suggest that

[tight moat]

I did, he seems pretty set on the name being Fencer

[fathom spire]

aw

a tin soldier could work though! i was thinking of a nutcracker variant with a gatling gun

sort of like a walking turret

but instead of patrolling areas it would wander around the place

lemme look up a tin soldier and see if it'd fit visually with what I'm looking for

wait hold on I'm fucking stupid

i don't know how

I don't know why

but i somehow understood "plomo", the spanish word for lead to be... wax??? for like most of the time i was developing this

fuck my secret's out... I'm sorry gang english is my 2nd language

[fathom spire]

yeah his name would be tin soldier i just misunderstood the character from the story 's name (or i guess title)

it's tin soldier. not wax soldier lmao

still think a wax replica/statue nutcracker variant would be cooler but

yeah. if I'm 100% going off the inspiration for it it should be Tin Soldier not Wax Soldier

I can't believe i got the two confused I'm a fucking idiot LMAOO

[sly sail]

i just like to think on its biology and how they would work, not a fan of thinking bout artificial wild life

[fathom spire]

same hehe

[sly sail]

isnt tin like estaño?

or is it another material?

[fathom spire]

yeah, they're different materials

but i think their story's called "tin soldier"

[sly sail]

i never know what tin is exactly tbh

[fathom spire]

cuz that's the name of the toy

[sly sail]

is like some kind of metal, but idk the name in spanish

[fathom spire]

me neither i failed chemistry

[sly sail]

is tin in the periodic table?

[fathom spire]

yeah!

[sly sail]

IT IS ESTAÑO

could also be Hojalata

which i think is more acurate to what the story reffers

[fathom spire]

yeah true

idk translated names are weird

I'm still not proud of the fact i confused the words for over a week....

but yeah I'm thinking wax soldier'll be its own thing separate from tin soldier

[sly sail]

Wax seria Cera

like candle

[fathom spire]

since their names are quite similar i could tweak em

[fathom spire]

yeah yeah that's why I'm so confused as to how i got it confused

I'm SUPPOSED to know this shit

lmao

[sly sail]

i have that word pretty stuck in my head as i use it or refer to it daily as i play SKY cotl

and well, candles are a currency and you need Wax to get them

[fathom spire]

I could change wax soldier to "wax boy", "wax man" "wax guard", etc

[sly sail]

would it go melty over hot places?

[fathom spire]

or tin soldier to "tin guard", "tin turret", "tin man"

[fathom spire]

yeah! but it would just slow it down

it wouldn't kill it

[sly sail]

it could have different phases

phase 1, regular soldier, regular stats

phase 2, melty soldier, as you say it slows it and will attack much slower

phase 3 would be an intermediate meanwhile it reforms again

like cooling wax

[tawny herald]

phase 3 would look more deformed then a regular

[sly sail]

melty would get kinda gooey into the ground maybe

then when cooling off would form its body again

(kinda like antarcticite works in houseki no kuni, she melts on spring and reforms in winter when temperature is much colder and can get her body up again)

[tawny herald]

i think once fully cooled itll still be a little deformed

[tight moat]

Omfg lmao

tln soldier

[fathom spire]

I'll never forgive myself for getting that wrong lmao

[fathom spire]

i kinda dig the idea

but i think it staying a little melty would allow you to piece together the fact that there's a spot nearby to get it melty again

where it would be weaker etc etc

[tight moat]

Not really a variant of any entities currently available but I had an idea for an entity that would squat in hallways and have reaaaally long extendable arms that would detect audio and flashlights

And if it detected a flashlight it would reach out and take it from you/the ground

If it detected noise then it would take you

[sly sail]

maybe a Vine Bracken? long arms remind me of the bracken

and a Vine Bracken would be able to stretch their arms into the ceiling to take you off guard from above, making it easier to snatch things out of your hands

although we kinda have 3 brackens already

[tight moat]

Love a bracken

Wait 3?

[sly sail]

we already thought of an Aloe Vera bracken(conditionally aggresive, mainly passive/helpful)
Flowery Bracken(Conditionally passive/helpful, mainly aggresive)

both would be mainly outdoors, but aloe can get in some times to snatch people out of facility

and nettle bracken wasnt really IT

its more of an annoying mechanic

it would hoard items and bring then into its preferred room(like bracken does with bodies)

when doing so that item would be infected with an Itch status that would infect any player that holds it once

that effect would either drain 1 HP every 3 seconds or disable passive stamina regen(didnt really get one stable as we didnt get to talk bout it much)

i believe i did some summaries bout these, but they must be pretty high on this channel

#1212451384021221457 message

here, all the summaries from that day's monsters

we were pretty efficient that day

Commanding lizard wasnt accepted, but helped on the addition to an effect to light bug

[tight moat]

Mommy brackens...

[sly sail]

just love the girlies

[tight moat]

Also yeah Nettle bracken just sounds like a more annoying hoarding bug

[sly sail]

flowery was mainly my idea, but they helped me to develop it so much

[sly sail]

in words of author(sorry cant remember who it was, i think masa?)

its like a mix of hoarding bug and spider

as it set traps(items)

nettle bracken would not get enraged when getting items out of its pile

[fathom spire]

yeah I didn't end up including nettle bracken in the lineup lmao

just seemed kind of annoying

so i came up with the fun guy in its place (the thumbnail guy)

[fathom spire]

love the girlies

I'm not as enticed to combine them into just one bracken anymore

but i do wanna revise some of their mechanics etc

[sly sail]

they are pretty different both in behaviour and of what they bring

hard to combine

[fathom spire]

I'll probably look over the spore lizard variants next after the worms (which except for the behemoth design are all done) and then after that the brackens

[fathom spire]

maybe, haven't read their behavior and mechanics in a bit though

[sly sail]

thing is that aloe would maybe focus on critical players

so she would then carry them to her safe space and heal them back

maybe to 60?

idk if 100 would be too much

[fathom spire]

just don't want variant clutter is all, but yeah I'll look into it dw

[sly sail]

but idk how a bracken would work outside(as flowery would mainly be an "outside bracken" in the most literal way)

although i think i said that she wouldnt get too far from her flower

so maybe she would stalk near her territory

[tight moat]

Yeah honestly sounds more like a variant keeper than a variant Bracken

[fathom spire]

i feel like aloe would work really well both inside and outside

she could chase you outside to get you back in her room

[sly sail]

that's the thing, she spawns outside

and can get in at times

[fathom spire]

oh?

i thought she was an inside enemy lmao

[sly sail]

maybe while stalking a player(she shy and need confidence to build up for her to do her job)

[fathom spire]

i definitely don't want that many things outside lmao

[flint oyster]

mayb she stalks from behind trees/rocks/mountains and slips behind them if u see her

[fathom spire]

like, almost every single monster we're adding is an outside monster

[sly sail]

would be pretty scary

like, you see this plant thing dashing through trees and stuff

[fathom spire]

i feel like aloe could stalk low health employees and take them to her favorite spot when they're low or critical

[sly sail]

thing is, how much does she heal

[fathom spire]

and then if they escaped from her (via another employee or whatever).she could chase them outside, but wouldn't stray too far from the facility entrance

[flint oyster]

the only indoor ones are light bug and kinda mech worm right?

[fathom spire]

yeah lmao

that's why i feel like we gotta thing inwards more rn

glad someone read the docs hehe

[sly sail]

nettle was going to be inside, but it was annoying(disabling stamina or draining health and stuff)

[fathom spire]

yea

[sly sail]

i remember saying something about a sugar slime(hygrodere)

[fathom spire]

i feel like aloe would be nice inside, so she can drag you back in if you don't make it too far from the entrance when escaping

[tight moat]

OooOOoOoo you wanna add vine bracken so baaAAAaaad

[sly sail]

like, pink/orange(honey) varian that falls down and stays still

[sly sail]

vine bracken be crazy for light sources

[tight moat]

Bro eats candles you can tell

[sly sail]

it could eat the wax soldier

maybe wax soldier could have a flame on its head(as if it was a candles)

[flint oyster]

aloe bracken feels very inside. Like oh, I’m healed back to full but I’m the farthest away from the entrance I could be (if she still found her room like normal bracken)

[sly sail]

i believe she can share safe space with ANY bracken

mainly she would have her own outside, but she can also use one inside

depends on moon and RNG

[flint oyster]

ohh 😱

[fathom spire]

i feel like we should make some of the variants unable to share rounds with their vanilla selves

for example

[sly sail]

you think so?

it would be funny to get aloe bracken to carry you to bracken favourite room and then have it snap your neck

[fathom spire]

i feel like lung dragon + earth leviathan's annoying to deal with and just more of the same

[fathom spire]

yeahh, but we shouldn't let all variants spawn alongside vanillas

[sly sail]

yeah, that's true

[fathom spire]

light bugs + lootbugs could work, but it'd be more of the same

[sly sail]

reminds me of the "creepy paper" audio

[tight moat]

I feel like the aloe Bracken would be like an easy mode version of the normal Bracken, so it would replace the regular bracket on easier moons, or at least have a higher chance to spawn first and prevent the normal Bracken from spawning

[sly sail]

thing is, she is not supposed to be an actual menace

she is mainly here to help

[tight moat]

Yeh that's why she's the easier variant

[sly sail]

so she would spawn over on vow more? like, vow is the regular's bracken favourite moon

[fathom spire]

i feel some like "the pit" are fine to share spawns with spore lizards

[sly sail]

and vow is the easiest forest moon

[fathom spire]

but the Crocs shouldn't spawn slongside spores

y'know what i mean? i just don't want their functions to overlap

[sly sail]

crocs spawn outside tho

[fathom spire]

like imsgine getting 3 different types of dogs on the map lmao

[sly sail]

glow lilly lizard(or mud lizard, nicknamed croc)

[tight moat]

I mean in theory right like

[fathom spire]

yeah, but still

i feel like it's boring to have them spawn alongside eachother

some work some doesn't

[sly sail]

it would be hard to code tho wouldnt it?

[fathom spire]

but it would allow for more variety if we limited spawns like that

[tight moat]

You're not getting MORE spawns

[fathom spire]

nah, you just have them share spawn weights

right?

[tawny herald]

i think another bracken type should be a poison ivy plant. it spawns on forest maps and is stationary. it starts off with a small radius of ivy around you and grows overtime. You can kill it to stop the spread, but you have to venture through the poison ivy to get to it and sacrifice some health to save the planet.

[sly sail]

like, some people have made enemies that only spawn in certain interios(like Halt recently on LC_Office)

[sly sail]

spawn weights is how common they spawn

[tight moat]

Ok first off that's not even a bracken anymore, secondly, gang, more than just brackens

[tawny herald]

dang chill

[sly sail]

also, creatures have a power lvl and a limit of how many total can spawn

[tight moat]

I'm MAD chill

[tawny herald]

maybe a natural danger then

[tight moat]

I'm just sayin'

Yeah that could be like uh

Honestly almost a weather

Overgrown weather

[sly sail]

Ivy overgrowth

[tawny herald]

yeah

[tight moat]

Wouldn't need to be a weather tbh

But it reminds me of flooding

[tawny herald]

prob just an event

[sly sail]

maybe on forest moons when its rainy

[tight moat]

Maybe like, y'know those giant pumpkins

[tawny herald]

it would be boosted by the rain

[tight moat]

A variant of those

Giant watermelon that has vines or something

I'm just spitballing

[fathom spire]

y'know what i mean though, like if a spore lizard spawns it should limit it to only them across both inside and outside, not allowing variants to spawn w them

[sly sail]

so let them share spawn limit

[fathom spire]

sorry if I'm replying slowly I'm with my family rn hehe

[sly sail]

or disable them for that moon

[tawny herald]

it might even be a new creature

[sly sail]

like a conditional thing

[tawny herald]

like a forest spirit

[sly sail]

we are here for variants tho

[tawny herald]

yea

it was originally an idea for a variant but i realized it wasnt a good fit

forest spirit would be cool

[sly sail]

out of topic, but still love Nesting Thumper(Mama Thumper)

its cute to think bout a thumper with little thumpies

or eggies

[tight moat]

I think y'all should settle on ONE design to make first

You have a pretty good spread of base concepts currently

[tawny herald]

fr

[tight moat]

So it might be time to zero in on one and realize it

[sly sail]

the nesting thumper would mainly be a not that mutant of a thumper, 4 legs, not "on head moth thingies"

[fathom spire]

well, if anyone knew how to code here lmao

I'm 100% on the light bug or fun guy being the first ones

[tawny herald]

I think one of the hoarding bugs or ogopogo

[fathom spire]

they're my favorite ones

[fathom spire]

ogopogo would be pretty simple yeah

I'm thinking either fun guy/aloe, light bug or ogopogo

for the first ones to get made

[cobalt turret]

Masa missed a -lot- @.@

[sly sail]

kinda, sorry masa

[cobalt turret]

np lol

[fathom spire]

they don't depend on any other variants to work and are all quite simple and share a lot of ai with their vanilla selves

[fathom spire]

hi masa!!!

i also missed a lot, I'm skim reading lmao

[sly sail]

Aloe would just carry you around and instead of killing you would sit you down and heal you

[cobalt turret]

As for the overlapping spawn thing, you could have a check where it sees which one to spawn first, and then, maybe for rare chance, it decides to spawn another variant as well.

[fathom spire]

yeah I'm starting to think it might be a s problem

I'm all for spitballing ideas but the more we add the harder it will be to make these all a thing.

[cobalt turret]

Just so that they dont commonly spawn together, however there is the cool rare chance that you do encounter this phenomenon

[sly sail]

so its still posible to have aloe kill you bringing you to the actual bracken

[cobalt turret]

Hiiiii

[cobalt turret]

Basically, but its not something that is 'normal'

[fathom spire]

which is why I'm never the one to push for getting another line of variants started (anf why i haven't looked into variants for hydrodere, giants, dogs, etc all that much)