Lobby Control & Matty's Fixes

[vagrant root]

I'm gonna guess when you fixed skinned mesh renderers the cruiser went brrr

yeah that fixes the issue, I guess if you want you can just remove the cruiser fixes from the mod

[wooden hamlet]

Is this recommended?

[candid marlin]

yeah its good

[unreal oriole]

? ghost ping

[desert herald]

hey i know this may seem like a really fucking stupid thing but im not a fan of the recent experimental versions change with item positioning when spawned/dropped
the latter is not really that big of a deal, it just makes specific shovel organization on ship a little harder to do, but i can deal with that
my actual problem with this change is the specific way some scrap items spawn in the building, specifically old phones, hairdryers, and candy, will spawn facing a 45 degree angle, instead of just being placed straight
why is this an issue? because hoarding bugs drop items like that, i keep thinking im looking at an item thats part of a hoarding bug nest(if its in the right spot cause i know they can only be at the vent they spawn from)

[violet pewter]

I originally thought that's what the "rotate_on_spawn" setting was for but I think that's for rotating them on save load, maybe mess with the individual item settings?

[desert herald]

theyre all default, i checked

[violet pewter]

Yeah so change them for the items you'd like rotated differently?

[unreal oriole]

showel rotation is a bug

will be fixed in the next experimental release but for now you can edit it in the itemClipping section

[vagrant root]

Idk what the proper rotation would be so I'm waiting for you to update

lol

[unreal oriole]

vanilla is 0, i put -90 by error

[vagrant root]

For which value?

☠️

Guessing the 2nd value

cus stop signs and yield signs have that as 0

But idk

[tacit lynx]

nothing quite like trial and error

[wraith pewter]

1st is X, which should be pitch, 2nd is Y which is Yaw, and 3rd is Z which is the roll. Well that is if the prefab is setup were Y is up

Stop sign > Shovel
Red is X, Green is Y, and Blue is Z

[wraith pewter]

I guess in this case it should be 0,0,-90?

since Y for the shovel is the Roll

[hazy zenith]

ty 👍

[keen grotto]

is there a way to get the name of items to list them in the sync_ignore_name config

or is it whatever the in-game label of the item is

[unreal oriole]

MattyFixes will create an entry for each item under ItemRotations after you load a game.
you can take the names from there as they're mostly correct ( to be able to be written to config i need to remove \n, \t, \, ', [, ] so you may need to add those symbols back )

[fringe lantern]

what does this mean?

[wraith pewter]

missing dependency of ASyncLoggers?

[fringe lantern]

would it not have auto-installed when i grabbed the mod from thunderstore?

i do not have asyncloggers

but i had no idea that it would be a dependency of the mod since every other mod i've installed downloaded the dependencies i needed

[empty nest]

That just seems like a code mistake in regards of checking whether AsyncLoggers is installed or not.

[unreal oriole]

that's actually just UDA not caring if an exception is Handled or not

[empty nest]

Ah.

[unreal oriole]

AsyncLoggers is a preloader so i cannot ask BepInEx if it exists, my only solution is to try access one of it's classes and intercept the exception

[empty nest]

So it's non-issue, gotcha.

[unreal oriole]

https://github.com/mattymatty97/LTC_LobbyControl/blob/2e08911c02da6f0734ced324e3a0b780d04830e1/LobbyControl/src/Dependency/AsyncLoggerProxy.cs#L39-L55

the lines in question btw

[empty nest]

Thought the preloader ones would be the same logic but in different collection.

If they even existed as other collection at all.

[unreal oriole]

nope they have no collection or system to track them

you don't even need to define a GUID ecc... BepInEx searches for any class with the public static IEnumerable<string> TargetDLLs property and public static void Patch(AssemblyDefinition assembly) method

[errant furnace]

mod updated, for some reason items are invisible

it's pretty much the only thing that updated since I last played, other than wesley's interiors

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/iNKRqBAGPyPW409HC/d1337UA9el96?invite=cr-MSxxM2MsMjYyMzg4OTQxLA

also this happened..... hmm

also it refreshes after going out of the facility

and it also makes all hold anims the 1 handed one

happens to both host and client, but not consistently

items on the ground also seem to disappear

[solar monolith]

you probably updated CullFactory as well, I'd recommend staying on the prev release until I hotfix that

[errant furnace]

oh ...

goddammit LMAO

I knew something else updated but I could only remember wesley's and matty's updating

sorry for assuming btw

hehe

[keen grotto]

what are the downsides to using the Sync on use and Sync on interact settings?

[violet pewter]

what was wrong with rubber Duckies?

oh the rotation 🙂

[unreal oriole]

yeah it was facing away

i did an oopsie and put a - that should have not been there

[slow dagger]

had an issue with a session yesterday, where an apparatus that was placed in Ship Inventory's chute would spam this error when trying to retrieve it, and it wouldn't be grabbable. also involved apparatuses not showing up in docks and sometimes spawning in weird positions. when the apparatus didn't appear in the dock, i couldn't see it, but everyone else could. when it appeared in weird spots, i could see it, but nobody else could. the only mods i have involving the apparatus are (apparently) additional networking, ship inventory, and facility meltdown, and i already cleared it wasn't meltdown. is this something known about additional networking?

[unreal oriole]

i'll have a look at it once i'm back home

but the error means one of your mods is creating scrap items w/o calling .Spawn()

which means that even w/o AdditionalNetworking. only one person would be able to see said items as they are not propagated on the network

[slow dagger]

removing additionalnetworking did fix the issue with retrieving it from shipinventory, but don't know if that just cus it's no longer checking or something else. i didn't test if it fixed the spawn locations, but i'll do that tomorrow

[dapper nexus]

I installed the "DoNotEatItems" mod and when my friend died with his item, the item wasnt on the ground there was only the scannode.
but everything looks fine on his log so idk maybe the item just spawned inside the terrain.
tell me if i need to send the whole log because its pretty big
Code: 0192aaa6-ece5-21ad-2a2a-8461e1a770e2
later i am gonna check if it happens again

[unreal oriole]

MattyFixes Stable v1.1.29

well i was not planning on releasing MattyFixes stable yet, but 7zip pulled a prank on me. so i guess v1.1.29 is the new Stable version of MattyFixes 🎉

[unreal oriole]

the mod is a really simple mod so i'm not surprised there are some bugs. one of the main things i'd ask is if everybody in the lobby had it installed

but sincerally i do not plan on updating it unless some major bug happens

[dapper nexus]

ok

[unreal oriole]

removing AdditionalNetworking will simply hide the errors , but it's not going to solve the issue as it's not a AD problem in the first place

[slow dagger]

so what would be the cause of it then? everyone i asked about this problem said it's not their mod's fault, so idk where to go from here

[slow dagger]

and it can't be that ship inventory isn't calling .Spawn(), someone posted a picture in its thread where it does call that function when it retrieves objects from the chute

[unreal oriole]

i do not think it's a shipInventory issue because i know other people that have been using that together with AdditionalNetworking for a while

and AD has not changed it's foundation for a while too.

you can try again with the latest update, i've added safeties so even if something goes wrong the rest of the game will not be affected , and made sure to print out the offending object

[next hawk]

hey i had an additional networking fatal error

[Fatal :AdditionalNetworking] Exception syncing inventory of JustLarm(81):
System.ArgumentException: NetworkObjectReference can only be created from spawned NetworkObjects.
at Unity.Netcode.NetworkObjectReference..ctor (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject networkObject) [0x0001c] in <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_001C
at Unity.Netcode.NetworkObjectReference.op_Implicit (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject networkObject) [0x00000] in <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_0000
at AdditionalNetworking.Patches.Inventory.PlayerControllerBPatch.OnLateUpdate (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB __instance) [0x00136] in ./src/Patches/Inventory/PlayerControllerBPatch.cs:166

heres host log\

here is client log

[unreal oriole]

here come the first reports. please forward it to the dev of the Scrap that is having issues JustLarm

[next hawk]

do you think it is the pickaxe from the jack black mod?

[unreal oriole]

oh wait

XD

i did not put the item name in the error log

welp

uh no it seems the PlayerObject is the one having issues 👀?

[next hawk]

What does that mean? (I’m mostly mod illiterate lol)

[unreal oriole]

do you have a mod that adds extra players?

like AI players or smt

[next hawk]

Yeah we have more company although we were only playing with two at the time. We also have the intern mod from white spike which can respawn players. And also mirage if that makes any difference although I don’t think that does anything with ai

[unreal oriole]

mirage creates masked enemies so it's not that

does Intern allow you to spawn fake players?

[next hawk]

Maybe the SCP flamingos? We had angered them but then one person was respawned so maybe it couldn’t find the player it was angry at?

Nah it’s not the ai players one just simple respawn of same player

[unreal oriole]

might be a good idea to tell WhiteSpike anyways maybe he has more insights.

the issue is that one PlayerObject does not exist on the network ( meaning only the host can see it ) and said PlayerObject tried to grab some items triggering AD

anyways since the last update this kind of errors will not cause issues to the game itelf anymore. so you can keep playing even if you see them, but will prevent AD from syncing so you'll loose he benefits from the mod

[unreal oriole]

from the looks of your logs even vanilla complained about the issue:

[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
PlayerPhysicsRegion.OnDestroy () (at <d2996142fa1d46369fdcffced906545b>:IL_0033)

oh wait did it error out when closing a game. or during gameplay?

[empty nest]

Nom.

From what I remember, interns command always manipulates the player associated with the map thingy.

And after setting it "alive", it teleports somewhere inside the interior.

[unreal oriole]

any idea on how a PlayerControllerB could exist on Host only ( not network spawned ) ?

[empty nest]

Specifically host? Not client-sided?

[unreal oriole]

the logs says it was on the host

host had a playerObject that tried to grab an item , and said playerObject was not spawned on the network ( so existed only on the host )

tbh not sure if it tried to grab or to drop, AD does not differentiate the two actions

[empty nest]

Could a suit cause it?

I'm not so sure on how they are handled, especially 3d ones.

[unreal oriole]

i doubt they create an entirely new player object tbh

[empty nest]

They could have copy pasted and made changes on it, no?

Again, not entirely sure how the replace API handles that.

My other thought would be like Lethal Internship where you would have NPCs act as players.

But I don't see that in the logs.

Oh wait

Destroy is called right after enemies are cleared?

Ah no, disconnect, nevermind.

There's also the not used controllers when you have more slots than current players but those shouldn't be a problem, right?

Because they still get spawned last I checked.

[unreal oriole]

from my days of developing LobbyControl all the inactive players are still network spawned

that's actually what's limiting the ability to make expandable lobbyes 😅

[empty nest]

I would imagine making the size dynamic would be a headache, lol.

But this "JustLarm" is a player, no?
So I would imagine this "JustLarm(81)" be a clone of it for something else?

[unreal oriole]

yeah Error pritns __intance.playerusername(__instance.NetworkObjectID)

[next hawk]

So wait that was right after I closed the round. Is it maybe not a big issue?

[unreal oriole]

if it is during closing it's just Unity beeing weird with the deactivation order

ignorable issue

if it was during gameplay instead it's an issue that need to be inspected more

[next hawk]

Ok I will keep an eye out next time we play

[unreal oriole]

i'll think of a way to not print the error if the game is closing but in that case i'm surprised nobody reported it before 😅

[wise solar]

Reloading the lobby makes these two go back to their original spot, also seams to be host only? Cuz some clients saw it in the correct spot N not the default one

@unreal oriole

[unreal oriole]

🤔

for Lunxara they work perfectly fine for example

can you send logs maybe?

[wise solar]

Sure, any log settings I need to enable?

[unreal oriole]

not for now

i want to see what the normal logs are as they should be plenty

[vagrant root]

Did you make sure you locked them?

[wise solar]

Yeah

[vagrant root]

Yeah idk that doesn't repro for me

[wise solar]

Even in the end when I just move them, they go back to the locked cordinates

[unreal oriole]

oh you only have Info logs

[vagrant root]

I suspect some other mod is creating a conflict, you don't have relocation enabled for anything in Pipe removal right?

[wise solar]

Relocation?

Hold on

[vagrant root]

If you use LPR I would make sure you only hide furniture using it's relocating stuff causes it to allocate every frame and can likely also conflict with Furniture Lock

[wise solar]

I don't think I made it change the position of anything but im gonna disable the mod then try without it

[unreal oriole]

can you make the same test with All the log levels enabled? i need to see the Debugs ecc

[wise solar]

Alr

[wise solar]

Wait where's that located again?

Sorry

[unreal oriole]

should be under BepInEx

[wise solar]

Enable all of them>?

[wise solar]

Ah

Alr ty

That's the new one, right?

I think so

Also @vagrant root LethalPipeRemoval wasn't the issue

[unreal oriole]

🤔

doesn't seem so

you only have Info or higher in it

maybe send the .sqlite then :/ you probably are using some other overrides somewhere

[wise solar]

Where can I find that?

[unreal oriole]

same folder where you got the logs

[wise solar]

Ah alr

Oh lord, 60mb

It's sending

[unreal oriole]

hahaha yeah it appends all the previous executions

you can delete it and run the game again and it will be smaller

[wise solar]

Oh so I should stop sending this one N send a new one after redoing the steps?

[unreal oriole]

up to you. if wou want a smaller one you can do that

i'll still look at the last run anyways

[wise solar]

Ah

If it's not gonna help you then there's not a point ig, it's almost done sending anyways

Almost there

[unreal oriole]

41 runs logged yep

Furniture lock is indeed moving them into place

you have some other mod that moves them back somehow

[wise solar]

Which mod tho

PipeRemoval aint it

Im gonna go through them one by one I guess

Sorry for wasting your time

[unreal oriole]

i'm sorry i'm not able to helf you

sadly whatever other mod is doing it it's not putting anything in the logs

[wise solar]

No no don't be

Ty for trying<3

Omg I think it's general improvements

God damn it

Is it really this option??

Bruh

I'm gonna cry if that's it

@unreal oriole Omg it was, I am so sorry

[unreal oriole]

no problem. gald you found the issue

[tribal sapphire]

Can't join a friend's game with a certain modpack. Can hear footsteps and dropped items and stuff the moment I join, works for about a second before it kicks me out saying 'host disconnected'.

[slow dagger]

do you have a log

[tribal sapphire]

Gimme a sec. Steam Deck modding is complicated for that sort of thing...

Well now I can't do it because buddy keeps loading into vanilla while hitting 'start modded'.

Wait why am I in this channel?

Moved it to #help-and-troubleshooting because it wasn't supposed to go here.

[elder verge]

Metal sheets are unscannable with item clipping fixes enabled.

If you scan them while they're falling, the node shows up briefly but disappears as soon as the sheet hits the ground.

[violet pewter]

You can fix it by entering a different rotation for Metal Sheet into the config, -90,0,90 works great, it flips it over, the underside of the sheet has nuts in it which you usually don't see in the game, but yes Matty needs to adjust the defaults

[vagrant root]

I've never had this issue, I would suspect it's an issue with the scanner mod if they use one I know ScanTweaks used to be unable to scan a handful of items

GoodItemScan I know works fine with scanning it and I know GI's scanner fix does as well

[violet pewter]

It happens with me when you first come across the metal sheets before picking them up, no scanner mods

[vagrant root]

Still idk if this is inherently Matty's fault

Since the rotations are vanilla

It's more of a blame Zeekerss moment

[elder verge]

I don't use scanner mods, and this only occurs if I turn on MattyFixes's item clipping option.

[vagrant root]

Ah well I would suggest GoodItemScan but also Vakknar's suggestion of flipping it also seems to work

[violet pewter]

I don't think the rotations are vanilla, I think they are from ViVikos mod that did the same rotations, you can load a save with items in the ship and they are rotated differently when changing rotations true and false

[elder verge]

I did fix it by adding a 0.03 offset for Metal sheets but I figured I would report it here.

[vagrant root]

The metal sheets I swear have always been like that rotation wise

[elder verge]

I would use that but I don't really like the delay it has before showing you the values.

[vagrant root]

You can change it to feel vanilla

[elder verge]

I tried to, there was still a slight delay.

[vagrant root]

If you set it to 48 you shouldn't feel a difference

I personally adjusted to the default wait multiplier though since it's an optimization feature iirc

[unreal oriole]

@vagrant root #1295871652168466432 message
any logs about this? w/o logs i can only guess what's happening

[vagrant root]

You probably should have tested LobbyControl before pushing the update stable

the new stable build doesn't let people join

it tells them ship has already landed

[unreal oriole]

⚠️WARNING⚠️ LobbyControl Experimental got mistakenly uploaded to Stable.

i cannot guarantee that v2.4.6 will work correctly as it has quite a big rewrite.

sadly TS does not allow me to delete an upload so put up with it and i'll work on fixing issues as fast as i can

[vagrant root]

They also get no errors in the logs lol

Log if it helps

[desert lichen]

F

[vagrant root]

Also undeprecate Experimental

Cus it was working fine

[vague talon]

arent you on holiday matty

[unreal oriole]

well if this was the only issue it's an easy fix 😅

[vagrant root]

Hoorah glad it's an easy fix

[unreal oriole]

i am, but i can still access my computer via RDP. and i do like to write down stuff as soon as it comes to mind or i typically forget about it

[vague talon]

workaholic

[unreal oriole]

Hobbyst, please

[unreal oriole]

in this logs only Joker joined late and it was when the ship was still in orbit 🤔

v2.4.7 out on both Experimental and Stable

hopefully the wrong negation was the only mistake 😅

[vagrant root]

For it to properly affect Experimental it'd need to be 4.5.1 but ye I hope so too lol

[unreal oriole]

reee i keep forgetting the numeration of Experimental 😭

[chrome ingot]

Was about to report the same thing lol

[vagrant root]

Well as long as Stable is fixed hopefully you can just deprecate it again

[wispy widget]

Peak.

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole I say revert the changes to the 4.5.0 version of LobbyControl and push that as stable, cus that has been the most stable version to date

The 2 recent versions are very buggy

[vagrant root]

Most people don't use auto join anyways and I think trying to fix the landing stuff is just a very niche fix

[vagrant root]

Might just be worth yeeting that code that tries to fix people joining when the ship is landing at this point and not worrying about trying to fix it, the idea is nice but I think it's just bloat and the game isn't liking it. The stable 2.4.7 build has some bugs such as the issue I reported earlier reocurring for clients after you reload a lobby, it also seems to cause clients to experience a networking spike if the host changes the JoinQueue settings ingame

4.5.0 experimental which would be 2.4.5 for Stable might be worth pushing as 2.4.8, and then I would just yeet the code trying to fix the late join ship landing stuff

If you don't want the problem then just don't use auto lobby

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole does 4.8.0 fix any of these problems?

Idk what got changed

Btw something I forgot to mention

with 2.4.7 players were seeing each other as unknown a lot

So it somehow was breaking your AdditionalNetworking fix

[unreal oriole]

what are the other issues? you used the plural but only one issue was reported ( the command failing ) which is what i fixed in v2.4.8

[vagrant root]

I listed them all

[vagrant root]

.

[unreal oriole]

there is no code change about names or anything else

[vagrant root]

And then the unknown issue was also rampant

Odd

[unreal oriole]

as always the unknown issue is them not beeing friends with the other players in the lobby

that cannot be fixed if not on steam side

[vagrant root]

Got you

[unreal oriole]

with all this negativity i'm starting to ponder to just deprecate my mods and drop support for them.
i do this for fun, and it's starting to not be anymore :/

[chrome ingot]

I love your stuff Matty

Your work is greatly appreciated and I never play without your mods

[edgy canopy]

yeah... i just got my 7 hazards which i made to fit vanilla called non fitting with lethal company

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

and then they got called bad

[karmic vector]

popping out of the woodwork to say thx for all the effort you put into modding, hope you dont get soured on it

[edgy canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shower-water-cat-in-showe-wet-gif-15847959125056493923

dont let em grind you down

keep up the great work

[vague talon]

im not really good at motivating but i believe in you to take more vacations and work it out!

[edgy canopy]

honestly sometimes its good to do stuff for yourself for a bit

[native mauve]

I'd be heartbroken to see smth like Lobby Control get depreciated, it's been super helpful for me and I'm grateful of all the time and care you put into it

[balmy gull]

new error

"[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
MattyFixes.Patches.GrabbableStartPatch+<>c.<ProcessGrabbable>b__3_1 (UnityEngine.Animator a) (at ./src/Patches/GrabbableStartPatch.cs:60)
System.Linq.Enumerable.All[TSource] (System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable1[T] source, System.Func2[T,TResult] predicate) (at <dab7f68612224ba3ae40f651d44f9d4c>:IL_002C)
MattyFixes.Patches.GrabbableStartPatch+<>c__DisplayClass3_0.<ProcessGrabbable>b__0 () (at ./src/Patches/GrabbableStartPatch.cs:59)
UnityEngine.WaitUntil.get_keepWaiting () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0001)
UnityEngine.CustomYieldInstruction.MoveNext () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0001)
UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)"

(also same goes for above for me. I enjoy your mods a lot <3)

[violet pewter]

Put me in the "thanks Matty" boat 🚢 great mods!

[vague talon]

boat too small to fit everyone, upgraded to a cruiser

[kindred cove]

🥺 🥺 🥺

[marble charm]

my friend group recently switched to using this over late company and weve had literally no issues. we love u matty :)

[marsh nexus]

I've been experiencing a visual bug with Matty's Fixes

Dunno why, but our "Albert" learned to levitate :P

Other than that, the mod works flawlessly. 10/10, a must have for me

[surreal vortex]

same issue on my end a fix would be greatly appreciated

also love you Matty don't give up but take a break if you need to there's nothing wrong with that don't burn out.

[unreal oriole]

now that's smooth

[analog eagle]

what am i supposed to look at here

[unreal oriole]

the radar booster was floating before

now it's as flat as it can get

[analog eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/helluva-boss-moxxie-hb-surprised-gif-26967059

[vague talon]

Flat is justice

[fathom wraith]

no longer experimental

[unreal oriole]

btw. i never responded to all the motivational messages above. so let me say thank you for your kind words.
i'm happy my mods are regarded so highly and hope you'll forgive me if sometimes i make mistakes in a release 😄

i hope you guys will keep having fun with my mods and report issues when they come up. 😃

[vague talon]

alright guys he acknowledged it, you can be rude now (/j)

[unreal oriole]

it's one click 😈

[vague talon]

its okay, you click that button so much anyway i've lost track of which mods i should use 😂

[unreal oriole]

i've deprecated a stable mod only once and it was when MattyFixes stable broke in v60-something and i was in the middle of a full rewrite in the Experimental one

🙃 .

[vague talon]

i must have a bad memory 😔

[scarlet crow]

Nooo, I still haven't changed the dependency for wider ship from experimental

[unreal oriole]

i need some suggestions 😅

before:

after:

it's such a simple mod i'm not even sure how to call it and how to describe it 😅

ik @vagrant root is going to love it

[vagrant root]

I mean I just use Loadstone which gets rid of this screen darkening popup

😆

But yeah it looks better but I still hate that popup

[unreal oriole]

no. look closer 😄 what's happening in behind

[vagrant root]

Oh

the ship no longer starts landed

Hoorah

[unreal oriole]

ship is already floating during the moon loading

mod is already done. i just need to get Name, description and icon 😭

why is that always the harderst part

[vagrant root]

ShipFixes

[unreal oriole]

rn i called it OrbitPatches

[brisk harbor]

have you patched over logic to properly account for this

there's a couple things that do distance checks to elevatorTransform (the "HangarShip" GameObject) that might act funky

like beehives set their price based on their distance to that transform when they spawn

im not sure if that happens before or after the animation starts tho

[scarlet crow]

why

[slow dagger]

someone using my modpack informed me that lobbycontrol has an issue where it doesn't allow anyone to join a session if the host had to quit and reload it, and i got that problem a few night ago. restarting the game fixes it, but is it that the lobby stays closed after a reload?

[brisk harbor]

did you try using the lobby open command in terminal

out of curiosity

[slow dagger]

i didn't cus i thought it was supposed to be open when the save was loaded

[unreal oriole]

it's should already be fixed in this morning's update

[brisk harbor]

ah

[slow dagger]

ok, thanks a lot

[unreal oriole]

i forgot to reset a variable on rehost, so if you disconnected while landed it would tell all clients you were still landed

[slow dagger]

yea i think my clients were telling me that the game said "the host has already landed" or something like that when i invited them

[unreal oriole]

quite sure Beehives spawn after the ship opens the doors so normally ship is already in space

[brisk harbor]

i see

defo possible

[unreal oriole]

yeah the hive get's spawned by the bees, not the opposite

[brisk harbor]

was just making sure it wouldnt get lost in the sauce

[unreal oriole]

and bees spawn during the first spawn cycle

but good idea to check. i did not think about that

[brisk harbor]

i know the kidnapper fox checks for ship pos

well, the vain shrouds, at least

but that has been broken in vanilla for a while and the patch i contributed to yesfox uses a hardcoded coordinate

[unreal oriole]

that zeekers deleted from the code XD

[brisk harbor]

so that should be ok

i think a couple lists get sorted by distance to the ship though, which could maybe cause trouble

im trying to look closer at it but i might be worried about nothing

[unreal oriole]

uh? quite sure most of sorting is done by distance from origin not the ship

and ship is not even at the origin either 🤣

[brisk harbor]

yeah i was thinking of this line

this.outsideAINodes = (from x in GameObject.FindGameObjectsWithTag("OutsideAINode")
                orderby Vector3.Distance(x.transform.position, StartOfRound.Instance.elevatorTransform.position)
                select x).ToArray<GameObject>();

but it's only used by the vain shrouds

so it's still not an issue

🙃

sorry i think i am just running you in circles

i think everything else checks after the animation starts so it should be ok

nice to see someone finally address the issue

the lighting always irked me a bit

[unreal oriole]

it's been bothering me since the mods that let you go to the catwalk while in orbit appeared

[brisk harbor]

yee

[tacit lynx]

Can’t wait for someone to come in here asking about YesFox compat

[tacit lynx]

O

Missed that

[unreal oriole]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mattymatty/LandFromOrbit/

idk how but my icons are getting worse each time 😅

[vague talon]

Howd you make it start from the top btw?

[vagrant root]

You're just running out of ideas that's normal

[unreal oriole]

animator magic by zaggy😅

basically i trigger the animation and set the speed to 0

[vague talon]

Huh, when do u trigger the animation?

[unreal oriole]

on scene load. when vanilla hides the moon prefabs

[vague talon]

Icic

[ashen dove]

Hey @unreal oriole was curious if i'm going crazy or not but I see the experimental version is deprecated now? Did this happen recently? Should I not use it now?

Also the unknown player bug only happened in the main version not the experimental version so I know you said you can't fix that but I believe you did without knowing you did lol. Your experimental version has always felt a lot smoother. This is just me giving some hopeful good feedback in regards to both versions as I have ran both of them before and wanted to let you know the difference I saw. Do not give up. Your work is amazing and has made modpacks run so much better! You're a hero!

[vagrant root]

You don't need the experimental one anymore

Stable and Experimental are now identical

[chrome ingot]

Holy crap this will stop me from accidentally killing myself so much lmaooo

[ashen dove]

I'm sure you will still find a way...and so will I lol

[chrome ingot]

I can’t even say that you’re wrong

Last night I died more times to the AC Unit killing myself by doing something stupid than anything else

[unreal oriole]

never answered you. i typically deprecate the Experimental branches when i push them to stable

so normally if they are deprecated is because they have litterally the same zip as the stable version

[tacit lynx]

Mainly for use with mods that let you open/see through the door in orbit/early

since normally this time period the doors can't be opened

[unreal oriole]

uh, i've never seen that error

were you trying to make a person latejoin with LI codes? because i doubt they work on latejoin

[still stirrup]

LI codes use the same join logic as normal

so it should work 🤔

[unreal oriole]

that error message is not mine either

[half elm]

I'll check something else now
Maybe I shouldn't have panicked

I apologize, the translator immediately picked up :с

[still stirrup]

yeah i noticed that, doesnt seem to show up in the code of any mods either so probably the default vanilla one if no message is set

but yeah LI codes just do LobbySlot.JoinLobbyAfterVerifying which is the exact same as what vanilla does when joining via the lobby list

[half elm]

Everything works great

Auto-opening the lobby helped

[unreal oriole]

yeah i have a custom check to prevent connections if the steam lobby is closed, but i send "Lobby has been closed!"

[half elm]

And according to the code it starts

I apologize for this incident on my part.

I just thought Auto-Lobby in orbit was automatically enabled by default

Like in the same LetaCompany

[unreal oriole]

yeah that is a common assumption. i have it off because the original reason for me forking shiplobby was to not have the lobby auto-open and have the ability to decide if and when

[unreal oriole]

still i wonder what mod is writing that error message 🤔. as with a closed lobby you should see this text ^

[half elm]

Yes I have no idea

This is written if there is LI and when the lobby does not turn on open after entering orbit

And it doesn’t matter - Friends-Online mode or Public

[unreal oriole]

yeah a closed lobby is litterally not accessible. that's the point

[half elm]

And one more thing

[still stirrup]

Like I said LI doesn't touch late joining or close the steam lobby etc

[half elm]

This is when you try to join using ID from LI

[unreal oriole]

does LI code stay the same during a play session? i wonder what would happen if you use it to join a lobby that does not have any LateJoin mods 🤔

[still stirrup]

LI code is the steam lobby code

[unreal oriole]

probably you would get the vanilla ship has already landed message

[still stirrup]

seems like it shows the message paradox got

just tested it myself

[brisk sierra]

[10:48:23.0674539] [Error  : Unity Log] UnityException: NameToLayer is not allowed to be called from a MonoBehaviour constructor (or instance field initializer), call it in Awake or Start instead. Called from MonoBehaviour 'MattyFixes' on game object 'BepInEx_Manager'.
See "Script Serialization" page in the Unity Manual for further details.
Stack trace:
UnityEngine.LayerMask.GetMask (System.String[] layerNames) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0023)
MattyFixes.MattyFixes..cctor () (at ./src/MattyFixes.cs:27)

[vagrant root]

Oh fun

[unreal oriole]

that's an intresting error 🤔 . how is it erroring for you and not me?

[brisk sierra]

dev mode

[half elm]

Recently I tried to invite you to an auto-opening room, but it never opened...

I'll try to catch the error next time and post the logs, it's very strange

[static breach]

does anyone know why doing "lobby clear" deletes the orange suit from the rack

[brisk harbor]

appears it calls ResetSavedGameValues without calling ResetShipFurniture to respawn the default stuff (orange suit included)

but that's just what i saw when i took a glance

maybe i am mistaken

[static breach]

i noticed that your brown suit unlocks itself when you do lobby clear

but the orange suit is gone until you reload the lobby

[cold sail]

Hey @unreal oriole i've been having some issues with disconnects from my friends when im hosting my modlist with AdditionalNetworking installed and enabled. I've gathered that the disconnects seem to be happening when the mod fails to sync inventory to my clients. I've got a log here from one of my friends that experienced disconnects and the last log while in game seems to be a fatal error from AdditionalNetworking. So could AdditionalNetworking be the cause for the disconnects?

And here is the list of mods that we had in the modlist at the time.

[unreal oriole]

i can already tell that you have hundreds of Errors/Exceptions from other mods in your profile

any of them could be the cause of issues

[cold sail]

Also one of my friends was streaming the last time we played and he got a disconnect issue in the middle of the game. Seems like picking up the hair dryer caused the disconnect as it does not even appear in his inventory before he disconnects: https://www.twitch.tv/lt_huntsman/clip/PlayfulSarcasticFungusUncleNox-lTHTRqHN2HrT7Yxm

[cold sail]

That list is a bit old now but either way do tell, i'm listening.

[unreal oriole]

to be precise a search returns 48380 potential issues

i'm sorry but i'm not going to look trough all of them 😅

[cold sail]

(Also this is the error im talking about.) [01:51:24.4432922] [Fatal :AdditionalNetworking] Exception syncing inventory of KillerSonny(21):
System.ArgumentException: NetworkObjectReference can only be created from spawned NetworkObjects.
at Unity.Netcode.NetworkObjectReference..ctor (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject networkObject) [0x0001c] in <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_001C
at Unity.Netcode.NetworkObjectReference.op_Implicit (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject networkObject) [0x00000] in <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_0000
at AdditionalNetworking.Patches.Inventory.PlayerControllerBPatch.OnLateUpdate (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB __instance) [0x00136] in ./src/Patches/Inventory/PlayerControllerBPatch.cs:166

[unreal oriole]

that's a caught exception

[cold sail]

Ah? Can you elaborate? Where do you check that? Could i do that myself?

[unreal oriole]

i just searched for Error or Fatal but typically game breaking issues are categorized as Error

but if you feel AN is the cause you can easly test by removing it

i'll gladly investigate if that turns out to be the case

[cold sail]

yeah i've removed a couple (dozen?) mods causing errors already. i think that some map mods on that list were really eager on spamming errors at least.

[unreal oriole]

[Error :antlershed.lethalcompany.enemyskinregistry] Could not sync with remote profile. This client is missing the following moons: circus, fun

this line also proably tells you somebody somehow managed to join with a different list of moons from you

[cold sail]

I do remember that we played 1-2 hours without AdditionalNetworking enabled last session but the inventory desyncs and inventory lockup issues triggered so often without AN that i enabled it for the rest of the session. My friend streamed the whole thing so i think i can watch the vod and see if anyone got a disconnect while we had AN disabled.

[unreal oriole]

i'd suggest you to head to #help-and-troubleshooting the moderators there have tools to analyze your logs more deeply and can probably help you more

tho, from the amount of Errors and the fact that from the start many come from the basegame, i can tell your profile is probably really broken

[cold sail]

That... may be the "Bozoros" moon. The moon claims to have a custom interior but i've never seen it pop up in the LLL config. Or the fact that i discovered a bug in JLL's config generator and none of the moons using that had working configs after triggering the bug i found. Wrote about it in the "Nikki's mysterious Moons" forum. Not too sure though.

[scarlet crow]

damn, client is missing fun😔

[cold sail]

Gotcha, thanks.

[faint vine]

Still working on readding/updating Bozoros' interior, last version it was in was v1.0.1 but there's been a fair number of changes and fixes for the moon itself since.

I do have the Circus and Fun tags for both the moon and enemy skins, though, not sure why they'd be missing if everyone has the same list of mods.

[cold sail]

Ah, so it (the interior) not existing is intentional for now? But yeah everyone definitely had the same code and if i test the moon by myself i can route to it and play in it and assign custom interiors for it in the LLL config without issues.

[faint vine]

Yeah, I hadn't updated the README to remove mention of it because I didn't think it'd take me that long to bring it back, but I've been doing other stuff too. Now that I think about it though, that specific message could just be an EnemySkinRegistry/Kit thing, it might just show up when using tags instead of moons for the skin configuration... If the Clown Giants spawn for everyone then it's probably safe to ignore.

[unkempt fox]

@unreal oriole Is it possible to add a command to the terminal that re-syncs the server? I had an issue where a player from my perspective was visible but invisible to others. Furthermore, as the host, I wasn’t able to teleport myself. I’ve yet to re-create the teleporting issue, so I can’t provide info on what’s causing it.

[unreal oriole]

sadly the invisible player issue cannot be fixed from the host side, there was an RPC but zeekers locked it behind stem friendlist

same for the name desync. the only wasy to avoid it is to never activate a radar-booster

if everybody has the same mods then LobbyControl should already be solving the invisible issues client-side

while the name desync will be handled by mods like TwoRadarMaps and the like

[vague talon]

i think i've seen the invisible issue happen with people all with the same mods but i could be wrong

[unkempt fox]

It happened to the people playing with me. It happened when we were in orbit and routed to the company building

Also, it’d be nice to have a command to resync the lobby while in orbit.

it’d force all players to spawn as if they joined the lobby

[unreal oriole]

that's simply not possible as the game does not handle that kind of thing you would have to make everybody leave and rejoin the lobby to reset the variables on clients

there are things that will not reset until the game unloads the lobby

[unkempt fox]

So, there’s no way to have all players leave a lobby, then rejoin it?

would it be helpful?

[unreal oriole]

you can easily kick all players out of a lobby but they will have to manually click to rejoin

[unkempt fox]

Got it

[unreal oriole]

@vague talon who was that made the BetterLobby mod? they probably have more experience on how to make clients join lobbies

[vague talon]

uhh ryoo made better lobby i think?

ill check rq

ye it was ryoo

@noble scarab hai

[unkempt fox]

That’d be nice to combine LobbyImprovements, BetterLobby, and LobbyControl into one mod

[noble scarab]

I can probably make an auto rejoin prototype later in the day

@unreal oriole In theory, you could send a named message to all the clients that have the mod (just have a check if it's the host sending it) that sends their steam_id to all clients before kicking them out, then having said clients wait until a lobby with the steam_id lobbydata show up on their list and join it

But right now I don't remember if there's any method built into steamworks that waits for x lobby to appear

But from what I remember lobby ids are the same as the hosts steam id I think

[unreal oriole]

i'm not planing on adding any modded comunication to LobbyControl as i want to keep it a Host-Only mod. also i don't think many users would like the experience of diconnecting and reconnecting automatically like a minecraft loading screen 😅

from what i understood he actually wanted the host to stay in the lobby while all the clients disconnect and reconnect

so there would be no need to wait for the lobby to get back up as the lobby itself would still be the same

[zinc quiver]

I couldnt find the thread for AdditionalNetworking if there is one, but i am just confirming here that with it enabled, we did not run into the apparatus issues now
So it was likely just from the old bugged version of Liminal Pools causing global issues with apparatus

[jaunty mural]

Just wondering is this supposed to happen? Like a just 1 in a million due to matty's fixes item rotation thing?

[brisk harbor]

stuff can spawn there in vanilla

[jaunty mural]

I mean yeah but this is close to the railing on clipping underneath it

[fringe lantern]

what is different about v2.4.10? thunderstore says there is an update but .10 isnt listed on any available changelogs

[violet pewter]

I've been curious about that myself, I assume every spawning location is vanilla but the way the item is rotated would be different with Matty's, one time a Large Axle was at the bottom of a factory death pit, I use Matty's but I assume just bad vanilla spawn

[lilac crane]

that also happens in vanilla

[still stirrup]

Well technically it's best for everyone to have it anyway

Cuz if a client doesn't have it they'd be removed from the steam lobby when the round starts

Which means it'd show less players than there actually is on the lobby list when the lobby is next re-opened

[still stirrup]

Nope

[nimble gulch]

You don't need Boombox_Sync_Fix if you're already using AdditionalNetworking, right?

[unreal oriole]

AN will indeed sync the current track between users but it will do it differently than Boombox_Sync_Fix

[nimble gulch]

But the end result is the same? Everyone will hear same music?

[digital plaza]

you know

i've had this mod for months without realizing mattys pfp is an orange

[chrome ingot]

So if you're using AdditionalNetworking, Boombox Sync Fix is uneeded?

[wintry token]

Hello!
I'm trying to add the rotation to the buyable shotgun from MegaPiggy's Buyable Shotgun
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MegaPiggy/BuyableShotgun/

Is there a way to set it?

Left = Vanilla Shotgun
Right = Buyable Shotgun

[unreal oriole]

you'' have to find how it is named internally

and then find it in the config

[wintry token]

if by any chance it's not here, is there a way to set it manually?

[unreal oriole]

if it's not there it means that the game does not recognize it as an "item"

or that they named it exactly the same as somebody else

[wintry token]

hmm, I see

Thanks!

[unreal oriole]

3rd case is if they did use neither LethalLib nor LethalLevelLoader then it might be categorized as Unknown

[wintry token]

I'll test by setting up the Vanilla/Shotgun to 0,0,0

[unreal oriole]

it being listed as a dependency does not necessarily mean they used it to make custom items sadly 😭

[wintry token]

oof

I see, thx

[vagrant root]

Yeah remember the Shotgun+ has the same issue and I told you about that before, you can apply the values if they show up but they don't actually do anything

So same situation here most likely

[unreal oriole]

are you using Experimental? that should have a better detection than stable

[vagrant root]

I can check if it allows it now

[wintry token]

I'll check

[solar monolith]

seems odd if a buyable shotgun isn't using the same prefab/Item instance as the vanilla one (with values modified as necessary)

[vagrant root]

I know previously it would detect it but the entries would become orpheaned

and I remember you gave an explanation why

similar to your answer to Moroxide

[wintry token]

got it, I'll check if Experimental works

[vagrant root]

Yeah gonna test that too

[vagrant root]

Btw a personal recommendation so long as I'm not overstepping ❤️ I would recommend BuyableShotgun+ instead cus MegaPiggy's has a lot of desync issues

[wintry token]

yay

[vagrant root]

Noice

[wintry token]

Thanks for the recommendation, I haven't had any desynchronization problems with this mod, and I don't really like the fact that it has to be purchased through "shotgun+" or "shell+".

[vagrant root]

Yeah if you're using both of those I definitely recommend BuyableShotgun+ then and see if it works

[vagrant root]

Does it not just register them as shotgun and shell?

on the Terminal?

Now I'm curious

XD

[wintry token]

but thanks anyway

[wintry token]

nope

[vagrant root]

Huh it registers for me if I don't type in the full name

I can only guess it's cus I'm using darmuh's conflict resolution though

[wintry token]

oh, yeah, if you type "shotgun" it registers, but I don't like the + on its name

[vagrant root]

in TerminalStuff

Ah

[wintry token]

If I find a desync with this mod, I will have no choice but to use the other one, but for now I prefer to keep it

[vagrant root]

There's actually a reason for it - I remember Entity explaining before that the stats on the Shotgun+ are actually changed to be slightly better although I don't remember what all is different

[wintry token]

fixed :]

[vagrant root]

hoorah

[wintry token]

yeah, I don't like that + :,]

[lilac crane]

is it just me or do items rotate like extra 90 degrees to the side when you reload a save file?

when compared to their actual rotations

like, this is how the rotation of a newly spawned item looks like (it is also how its gonna look like if you drop the item)

putting them on the cupboard without dropping them will store them with the same rotation as they were spawned in

but once you reload the save it rotates it by 90 degrees, and this happend with scrap, tools and even with modded stuff

[unkempt fox]

@unreal oriole Could you explain what your "LandFromOrbit" mod does? I don't notice anything different.

[unkempt fox]

Gotcha. I mean, why should I use it, then? what use cases are there?

I can't see what it'd be useful for. If you can help with that, it'd be appreciated

[tacit lynx]

It's for use with mods that let you open the ship doors in orbit and mostly cosmetic

[unkempt fox]

gotcha

[tacit lynx]

"Mostly" because you could technically jump out of the ship during this time period and possibly die but

Most people are smart enough to not do that

[unkempt fox]

Since you're here, do you know of any mods that remove or reduce the effect applied when in a high fear state, like when you're chased by Giants?

[tacit lynx]

No, I don't sorry

[tepid comet]

My friends standing outside while I'm internalling screaming that it's still loading for the host, and thus will tp into midair when the ship rubberbands into the sky
Mod has probably saved several lives by now

[zinc quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/cirno-talented-gif-21909555

[violet pewter]

@wintry token I think I'm pretty dense so I don't know what the difference is here, the ship starts landing earlier with the mod? With "waiting for crew" on the screen the ship normally waits for everyone to generate the moon but with the mod it starts landing the ship during that time instead?

[half elm]

no, it's just that when loading, if suddenly there is a mod that allows you to exit the ship in advance, it throws you back inside the ship so that the players don't accidentally fall out. it used to happen that the picture froze when loading and the moon appeared with the door open already upon landing on the ground, now the ship model is always hanging in the air and it looks nicer than immediately when loading with the doors open (mod Celestial Tint for example)

[violet pewter]

Ah gotcha, thanks, so it's not useful unless you have a mod that lets you walk outside the ship

[tepid comet]

Walk outside, and then plummet to death the moment the host finally moves the ground away...

[wispy widget]

Oh my god

I disabled every setting relating to the cupboard fix, but it's still affecting my stuff

Why?

[unreal oriole]

the rotation comes from rotate on spawn

it's not related to the cupboard

and i'm using zeekers code to fake the items falling. i'm not saving the rotation

if you want them to have the same rotation when saved then you'd need a mod like SmartItemSaving ecc..

[wispy widget]

I'm using GenImprov + SmartItemSaving

I'll see what I can do, but only now did I notice these glitches manifesting /w your mod

[nimble gulch]

What needs to be disabled in MattyFixes/LobbyControl if used with SmartItemSaving?

[half elm]

Well, I saved with the Lobby Save command

And things on the ship were missing, except for the ShupInventory inside

[lilac crane]

disabe the option that prevents items from falling bellow the ship on SmarItemSaving

[nimble gulch]

Below ship? There's only one for furniture.

[lilac crane]

yeah that one

the FixItemsFalling

[wispy widget]

Still does it despite having everything related to item clippings/rotation stuff disabled...

[wispy widget]

I've confirmed that your mod is still enforcing the cupboard stuff for some reason despite me having those settings disabled

[ashen dove]

SmartItemSaving is the issue here i believe. When i had it on items started acting weird when reloading. Removing it made things better.

[vagrant root]

SmartItemSaving has an option to affect the cupboard yeah, you'd wanna disable it if using it however I generally haven't had a use case for SIS in a long time

[wispy widget]

I disabled it

Matty was still fucking the cupboard

Lmao

[vagrant root]

Matty's fixes handle the cupboard stuff properly, I would avoid using the implementations from GI and SIS tbh

[nimble gulch]

#1211989201793449994 message

[wispy widget]

I only use Matty’s Fixes for the better lightning particles, and use GI and SIS for everything else

So

Idk why it’d be fixing the cupboard stuff regardless when I disabled everything relating to it

[vagrant root]

I don't recommend doing that

GI and SIS's patches just make the items float

rather than fix

[wispy widget]

They do not?…

[nimble gulch]

Matty himself said to use SIS. I linked the message.

[wispy widget]

I don’t have GI’s on at the same time as SIS’ fyi

[vagrant root]

Oh I see

[wispy widget]

I use SIS’ cupboard fix, and nothing else

[vagrant root]

Oh for item rotation saving

But you don't even need SIS for that

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SylviBlossom/SaveItemRotations/ I use this, cus Sylvi packed it down into it's own mod

SmartItemSaving will still have it ofc

But I never needed it's other stuff

[wispy widget]

Strangely, it doesn’t fully save its rotation

When you pick something up, and put it back in the cupboard after resetting, its rotation is completely different than it was when I initially put it there

Which is annoying

[vagrant root]

Yeah I think that's just an issue that can't be resolved, it only happens on save reload so it's minor

[wispy widget]

Zeek spaghetti code strikes again

[vagrant root]

Zeekerss code isn't Spaghetti from what I understand, plus you can't really talk about Spaghetti lol I remember Matty mentioning how GI is quite Spaghetti coded in the past

As much as I love GI

XD

It's why if another mod handles something it does I always let the other mod do it

[wispy widget]

Well, I don’t use GI for saving item rotations and such, soo

[vagrant root]

Yeah I mostly just use it for the monitors

almost everything else is turned off

[wispy widget]

“Zeekerss code isn’t spaghetti”

The horrendous amount of bugs in base game would like to have a word

[vagrant root]

It's Early Access for a reason

[wispy widget]

Doesn’t excuse the state it’s in lol

It’s hardly enjoyable without mods fixing his bugs for you

At least to me it is

[elder verge]

I mean

it being in early access doesn't really excuse how horrendous the code is.

A lot of things are handled in a very ass-backwards manner that a lot of it would benefit from an entire rewrite.

It also doesn't help that Zeekerss is reluctant to receive any help with the game outside of receiving bug reports (which he barely addresses), though to be fair he also does his eyes set on other projects.

That's why I do think it would be beneficial for Lethal if it was made open-source.

[slow dagger]

I don't think open source is good for any multiplayer game

[elder verge]

Probably not for public games

but then again public games in lethal tend to be kinda trashy anyway so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[slow dagger]

i'd consider it a security concern more than anything

allowing a multiplayer game to be open source most likely means more hackers and dangerous exploits

[elder verge]

I kinda doubt that tbh

I mean if that was a worry, it would already be reality with how easy it is to decompile Lethal.

and with hackers it kind of is but I do not see dangerous exploits being invented due to it being open source, since they would already exist if it was the case.

[tepid comet]

Exploits can exist whether or not a codebase is visible really, just less likely to see it publically mentioned rather than have it get silently patched

[twilit gate]

can latecompany can be used with lobbycontrol?

some players keep being invisible so i want to try the latecompany if both mods are compatible

[slow dagger]

they do the same thing but lobbycontrol does it better

so idk why you would want latecompany at the same time

it probably won't help you

[twilit gate]

I still have invisible player issues with lobbycontrol present on my pack so i just wanted to try something else

[unreal oriole]

invisible players are an issue in 2 cases:

1. the host is not a steam friend of the clients
2. the clients do not have a late-join mod with a fix installed

point 1 only applies if you have LobbyControl.
if you play with randoms and, don't have the same modpack, you will still get invisible players even with other late-join mods

for the main question LobbyControl will disable itself if it detects another late-join mod. as the patches are incompatible and i prefer to not break the game if another mod is loaded

[unreal oriole]

the entire mod is disabled so all the fixes and commands will not work

[twilit gate]

We play with a modpack that i made, we all have the exact same mods and configs, maybe it is caused by other mods i don't really know

[brisk harbor]

@unreal oriole apologies if i'm mistaken but i did a quick test and it seems to be the case?

i think additionalnetworking is causing the apparatus to display Value: $80 instead of Value: ??? on the scanner

i assume its value is getting synced and then SetScrapValue is being called by your RPC

and that is changing the text

could u add an exception for the apparatus

just set scrapValue and leave the scan node untouched

?

would be nice

🙂

[brisk harbor]

ok, yes. brand spanking new profle, only bepinex + additional networking

no rush, it's a pretty minor visual issue, but would certainly love to see it fixed. :)

[zinc quiver]

I thought it was a feature

[static breach]

if its a feature it prolly shouldnt be in a networking mod

feels like an easy to make oversight imo

[brisk harbor]

if it being a feature is desirable, i'd still like for it to be a config setting, at least

[jaunty mural]

honestly yeah, I'd like for it to be a config as well

I use metldown so 80 don't make sense lol

it being a very high price scrap, is showing 80 💀

[unreal oriole]

sure i can definitely add an exception for that to keep the original scanNode.

[unreal oriole]

that's a meltdown issue as that means meltdow does not update the price at all. so all scans will be wrong anyways

AN syncs only once during the object spawn. if another mod touches the value it's their job to sync the change to everyone

[unreal oriole]

this change will have to wait till i get back from my vacation tho. ( somewhere around 9th January )

[brisk harbor]

that's ok

thank you though!

i look forward to it

[near lantern]

meltdown updates it on lungprop.start for everyone, i don't think it's meltdown's fault

[plush hemlock]

@unreal oriole is the item clipping in this mod compatible with https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SylviBlossom/SmartItemSaving/

[tepid comet]

Disable that feature on either one of them, it's wonky when you have both

[plush hemlock]

"Saves and loads the rotation of items on the ship." config on SmartItemSaving and "fix rotation and height of various items when on the Ground" on matty fixes. The "fix rotation and height of various items when on the Ground" says it fixes item cliping but it also says rotation. So does it conflict with the smartitemsaving one?

[lilac crane]

disable either the FixItemFalling on SIS or disable the ItemClipping on Matty Fixes as those two aren't compatible with each other

[plush hemlock]

ItemClipping on Matty Fixes say that "it fix rotation and height of various items when on the Ground", and SaveItemRotation on SIS says that it "Saves and loads the rotation of items on the ship." which is the same thing

[lilac crane]

MattyFixes only fixes the rotation of items, SIS saves the rotation. For example:
If you drop an item inside of the ship, save the game and reload the savefile without SIS the rotation of that item will restore to the default rotation

but if you use SIS it will save the rotation of said item and once you reload the save the item will be the same way it was when you left it

[plush hemlock]

so then why is fix item falling not compatible

[lilac crane]

because it does the same thing that item clipping does on matty fixes

so having both on will cause issues

this -> https://github.com/mattymatty97/LTC_MattyFixes/issues/26

[hushed kayak]

Then does it also apply to General improvement? GI has fixes such as items falling through and stuff related to rotation. Just wondering whether GI is compatible with Mattyfixes or not

[lilac crane]

it is, just disable the option that fixes item falling on GI

[hushed kayak]

k I guess matty fixes item clipping fix works the best among other mods then

[brisk harbor]

hiya

just wanted to follow up and see if there was an update on this

[unreal oriole]

not atm. i'm busy with work and uni exams.

all the help i'm giving to Zaggy is in VC 😅

[brisk harbor]

i see, that's ok!

[unreal oriole]

Additional Networking Experimental is back 😅 this will hopefully be quick

[vagrant root]

Seems like such a small change

Why does it even need to be experimental? 🤔

Can test it later though if it shows up lol

[vagrant root]

Adding Experimental to test

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole No problems

It seems to work just fine

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole We have a client that keeps having items drop and desync and it's only ever them

So I'm gonna send my SQLite and have her send hers

Maybe you can locate it

[next ledge]

here's mine - Typically how it goes is that I'll be trying to put smth onto a piece of furniture, cupboard, mel's rv etc. and suddenly everything in my inv except what I'm trying to put on there will just drop to the floor

[next ledge]

The stuff that falls I can either pick up again or (usually) I can't, it just spins in place and disappears on everyone else's ends and it's super annoying

I've no clue what'd be causing this

esp since it's always been specific to me and has been happening for a while

• if it's smth that drops somewhere not on the ship it persists and doesn't despawn on my end either (still invisible for everyone else)

It makes sense for them to stick if they're on the ship, less so otherwise

[brisk harbor]

everything in my inv except what I'm trying to put on there will just drop to the floor
this sounds like the lobbycontrol setting to force drop all items when somebody's inventory is overfull

if the host has that enabled

[next ledge]

And it shouldn't be

Which is strange

Some weird stuff going on internally if that's what's up because I don't think I'm overfilling my inventory?

[brisk harbor]

well, that's true

something's definitely going wrong

i just think that the "drop all items" thing makes it apparent it's probably inventory overfill, which makes it easier to look at what might be causing it

[next ledge]

I guess so

I do sometimes have to attempt to put stuff down multiple times so if that's related maybe 🤔

[analog eagle]

Drop all items never worked for me its just making everything not grabable after dropping them

[vagrant root]

Idk why it's only her having this happen

Noone else ever experiences it

[vagrant root]

@brisk harbor do you think it could be a mod like GI causing it? I know GI has had a few issues since V69 since it needs recomped

I know the main one is monitors sometimes will be blacked out and reloading the lobby fixes it

But I imagine other things could also break

[brisk harbor]

i do not know

have not touched GI since like

v56 or v60

[vagrant root]

I wish we had a mod that added only the Monitor wall tbh

I really like that for the bigger ship

the rest I could live without

and it is one of those mods that it touches so much that when it goes for long periods without maintenence I feel it's not good to keep around

[vagrant root]

Huh I wonder if this could be related @brisk harbor

Found it in her SQLite

[brisk harbor]

shrug

[vagrant root]

It looks like Cruiser Improved is causing problems

[brisk harbor]

i still refer to the anecdotal evidence that my friend group has been using cruiserimproved ever since it released and have never had issues with it

[vagrant root]

I also use Cruiser Additions though

and I'm beginning to wonder if something conflicts

[brisk harbor]

i would assume there is some niche interaction between several different mods leading up to the eventual result of dropping all

[vagrant root]

Probably especially since no other clients have it happen

[brisk harbor]

it seems kind of unlikely it is one mod in particular, otherwise i feel like it would have popped up earlier, more consistently, for more users

[vagrant root]

Emergency Dice throws so many errors for clients

that really needs fixed Jesus Christ

@oblique crag I see this just spamming sometimes

[vagrant root]

I believe Colorful Suit Variety is responsible.

More Suits likes to throw an error sometimes when Unlock All Suits is set to true, she wears one of the suits from that mod

I saw an error from More Suits First, then Terminal Stuff, then Cruiser Improved, then Cruiser Additions

Chain reaction effect as you said.

It starts from More Suits

[brisk harbor]

that would be kind of bizarre but maybe

although i'd say that's not colorful suit variety being responsible

that would be more suits, providing functionality that breaks when too many suits are available

if that is what you think is happening

[vagrant root]

Yeah no the suits in Colorful Suit Variety are paid so it's a side effect

More Suits only errors if you set the paid suits to be unlocked in it's config

and only for clients

I sent 753 the error, I guess a workaround for now would be for @pure wagon to upload a version of the mod where the suits are free or I suppose if he's cool with it I could do it

It makes some odd sense though cus everyone else in my group that's not been having the chain reaction go off has been wearing a suit from that mod

It's such a niche chain reaction

[oblique crag]

Did these appear on host or client btw?

[vagrant root]

client

[oblique crag]

ok

[vagrant root]

I also noticed NightOfTheLivingMimic still sometimes throws some errors sometimes but I recall you saying they were harmless

This error, I've seen it in my own logs though not just clients

[oblique crag]

the ones that it does throw are harmless due to some weird interactions with other mods handling mimics or dead bodies so for the most part they are fine

[vagrant root]

Ye

Honestly you could probably just try/catch that error or make it be a warning log if it's harmless

That way AsyncLoggers doesn't always collect it's stack trace for example

[oblique crag]

yeah true lol

[vagrant root]

Actually @pure wagon Since our group doesn't use all the suits from your mod I could likely just put the colors that my group uses in my addons mod and just name them after the group members that use said colors

If you're cool with that

Cus I think only Luigi Green and Purple get used

lmao

Actually we found a way simpler solution to this

I could even upload it as a temporary fix mod, it's basically just putting empty versions of the jsons in the config directory to override the values

But for the sake of not uploading an essentially empty mod I'll include this fix in Lunxara's Addons

[vagrant root]

Actually this could probably be enough to warrant a fix mod lmao cus there are so many jsons

[vagrant root]

Welp @unreal oriole the Apparatus value is still showing up when scanning

since I now know what the experimental build was for lol

Wait actually I hope that's not caused by WeatherRegistry somehow, I know I turned off the setting in Buttery Fixes

Lemme check

Not seeing a config option for that so I doubt it

Anyways

[unreal oriole]

you sure that is the Vanilla Apparatus? custom ones from other moons have to be listed manually

[vagrant root]

That is Experimentation with Slaughterhouse

I can double check a vanilla Interior lol

[unreal oriole]

try turning on the Verbose logs. AN will print the key for the items it syncs

also FYK @vagrant root
the softlock during Firing is caused by ShipInventory throwing an error on clients only. me and zaggy got a repro yesterday while trying to reproduce your issue with the quit button

[vagrant root]

Yeah we found it

WarperSan updated it

I thought it was Mel's ship mod cus somehow before Mel's ship mod updated that version of it worked fine a couple times, but just unlucky rng

Here btw

Idk what to look for with the Verbose logging

Luckily Fumo kept his log and caught it when we reprod it yesterday

[unreal oriole]

you've got no apparatus

[vagrant root]

which makes no sense cus I definitely grabbed one

LOL

for the sake of not worrying about custom interiors I'mma disable all custom ones and see what happens

[unreal oriole]

if there was one, somebody else called the SetScapValue before AN checked if it was synced

therefore AN belives it's already synced and does nothing

[vagrant root]

Yeah and idk what atm, unless Buttery Fixes is ignoring the setting being disabled

[unreal oriole]

🤷

[vagrant root]

@brisk harbor is ButteryFixes ignoring the Apparatus value setting?

Okay double checking WeatherRegistry's changelogs it might be WR

I thought Registry might touch it but then I wasn't seeing a config option anywhere

lol

[vagrant root]

For some reason the being unable to close out lobbies issue seemed to be linked the Piggy's Variety Mod

Cus we had no issues after pulling it

[vagrant root]

Btw I hope you get free time again soon to play with us bud ^^

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole New additionalnetworking update seems to be causing some issues, the Belt Bag mod is even not working now

Dunno why when I tested Experimental it was fine but the stable branch update seems brokey

[unreal oriole]

it's the same exact zip as experimental

[vagrant root]

Yeah I'm just as confused

[unreal oriole]

that means AN is not the issue

[vagrant root]

Yeah I'll try sending a log and maybe you can see if there's an error or something but I'm not seeing any

Meaning the Belt Bag mod just isn't loading due to a run order change or smth

I fixed it

I accidentally turned on Create defaults in ReservedJsonSlots and that was breaking your Belt Bag mod for whatever reason

[next ledge]

it's still happening

Sent here because sqlite is too big for lunxara's discord

[vagrant root]

GeneralImprovements.

Guess I'm yoinking it

[next ledge]

:)

[solar monolith]

that's a weird one

could definitely stand to sanity check the received data, but it seems like it shouldn't be possible for that error to happen unless some other than GI is calling that RPC

[vagrant root]

I think Stream Overlays does doesn't it?

@desert lichen ?

[solar monolith]

the RPC is within GI, so that would have to be through a dependency on GI if so

[vagrant root]

Ah

[solar monolith]

I'm not entirely sure I trust the methods that GI uses to transmit this dictionary over the network, but in theory this shouldn't happen

[vagrant root]

honestly GI has had some issues relating to it's monitors since V69, sometimes they lock up and don't update for 2 orbits for example

Sometimes they black out and you have to reload the lobby to fix them

Shaosil was supposed to recomp the mod but then went MIA again

Sadly as much as I love GI it's one of those mods that when it goes for long periods of time without Maintenence issues start to crop up from it

cus it touches so much

[solar monolith]

yeah it is unfortunate

[slow dagger]

Might be a good idea for shaosil to look for a maintainer while they're away

[solar monolith]

I think it only makes sense to do that if the mod gets split up tbh

there's only a few things I'd be interested in maintaining from it

[vagrant root]

I mostly want a seperate mod that has the monitor stuff

the other features in GI I really don't need it's all bloat imo

[solar monolith]

there's a decent amount in it that's worth having, but a lot of it doesn't really need maintenance

only reason it needs a maintainer is because other things break

[vagrant root]

That's true, the bug fix stuff could all be it's own seperated mod

[solar monolith]

wrt monitors, I'm kinda inclined to make an API for monitors, the monitor situation is just kind of a mess rn

there's no source of truth, it's just OpenBodyCams and GeneralImprovements fighting over things

[vagrant root]

I wouldn't be upset if you decided to redo the monitors in a better way

I love the monitor wall tbh

[solar monolith]

(with an API on GI's side that is _supposed to reduce that but doesn't seem to do to well in practice)

[vagrant root]

The API kinda became buggy at some point and never got fixed

Likely when other features got added

[solar monolith]

if I did that I would make it a thin API that something like GI could interface to in order to change the monitor model and then allow the API to control what is displayed

but GI would need an update then

[vagrant root]

That's my other main issue with GI, when Shaosil returns he rarely focuses on keeping it stable and fixing issues and always wants to shove new features in it

Which then causes more issues

[solar monolith]

but I would want such a thing to be compatible with OpenMonitors and anything else that wants to do the same thing

[vagrant root]

OpenMonitors could really use a fork btw if you'd be interested in that, it's not been updated in a long time lol

[solar monolith]

yeah

I haven't tried it out so idk what it would need changed

none of this is high on my list though, at least not without good reason to focus on it

pathfinding stuff is unfinished and is much more performance-critical for a lot of different mods (if they choose to use it)

[vagrant root]

Ye

[desert lichen]

What

[vagrant root]

Dw about it now lol

[desert lichen]

Okie

[unkempt fox]

@unreal oriole is it possible you could implement features similar to Lockdown? It’s an old mod I hoped you’d take inspiration from.

I like to make the following host-only:

Storing furniture
Moving furniture
Taking furniture out of storage
Purchasing upgrades (cruiser doesn’t count)

[unreal oriole]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1299278275952119808
for 1 to 3.

4 i belive should be in https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1216655331497873488 and similar mods

[unkempt fox]

@unreal oriole What does this mean?
[Fatal :AdditionalNetworking] Exception syncing inventory of thundershocker(35):
System.ArgumentException: NetworkObjectReference can only be created from spawned NetworkObjects.
at Unity.Netcode.NetworkObjectReference..ctor (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject networkObject) [0x0001c] in <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_001C
at Unity.Netcode.NetworkObjectReference.op_Implicit (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject networkObject) [0x00000] in <895801699cfc4b4ab52267f31e2a4998>:IL_0000
at AdditionalNetworking.Patches.Inventory.PlayerControllerBPatch.OnLateUpdate (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB __instance) [0x00136] in ./src/Patches/Inventory/PlayerControllerBPatch.cs:166

[plush hemlock]

@unreal oriole is the badge fix in your mod compatible/needed with this mod https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Swaggies/BetterEXP/

[unkempt fox]

@unreal oriole Can I disable "sync on use" and "sync on interact" if I also have the mod, AdditionalNetworking?

[unkempt fox]

Also, could you explain what this FATAL log means?

[unkempt fox]

@vagrant root Do you know what this log means?

[unreal oriole]

this means some other mod is doing really weird stuff

in this specific case. whatever mod has the "thundershok" item is creating it on client only and never spawning it

that means only one player can see it and any networking on that object will not work including vanilla calls

[unreal oriole]

if you have AN then yes. but if you have AN then they were already doing nothing.

[unkempt fox]

you mind rephrasing this? I assume you meant that LobbyControl's "sync on use" & "sync on interact" do nothing if you have AdditionalNetworking, so its fine to disable them.

[unreal oriole]

the "sync on ..." patches in LobbyControl only trigger if the item beeing activated is different from the item you're currently holding.

if you have AN that should never happen so you it doesn't matter if you leave them on or disable them

[unkempt fox]

I'll keep them on, then. btw, do you know the best way to get into contact with the person who made the mod, LCBetterClock? I'd like for there to be an option for the clock's visibility to change while dead, as I use the poltergeist mod and it somewhat overlaps.

[unkempt fox]

@unreal oriole Is it possible for you to add a feature to increase the maximum amount of players in lobby? It'd be nice not having to rely on MoreCompany, which causes memory leaks, apparently.

[brisk harbor]

lobby control is a host only mod and increased player count can not be supported without client side changes

[unkempt fox]

Any mods you know of that only increase player count?

[brisk harbor]

well... more company

wasnt aware of the memory leak issue but i also play with all the cosmetic stuff turned off

so maybe that helps

[violet pewter]

I'm fairly certain More company breaks teleporters for me occasionally so I stopped using it, testing a week without it no problems yet

[brisk harbor]

more company does not break teleporters since we have almost never played without it and it works fine for us

latejoin can break teleporters

[violet pewter]

Interesting, I get the issue of trying to teleport someone, they get the visual effect on them but it doesn't transport them, I don't use latejoin and I disable to latejoin feature in lobby control, I'm not sure if it's because people leave the game or not while on a moon, which has vanilla issues like leaving a spot on the endgame screen etc

[brisk harbor]

i do know the issue you are talking about yeah

for me it has only ever happened when we use latejoin

also happened back when we used general improvements i think

[still stirrup]

if anything the memory leak would be due to the more players

[unkempt fox]

Are there alternatives you use? I heavily rely on GeneralImprovements, and since it’s not getting updated, it’d be nice to know what to be using instead

[unkempt fox]

I never thought about that

But why would that happen? Why doesn’t it happen when there’s only 4 players

[brisk harbor]

it depends on the features you want from general improvements

outside of the bug fixes, i barely used any of its additional features, so i just re-fixed those bugs in buttery fixes

some of the features i did use can be replicated with other mods

[still stirrup]

i have gi and morecompany and havent had any issues with teleporting

[brisk harbor]

i.e. i use LC_FastStartup to skip the online/lan picker

[brisk harbor]

it was super inconsistent and wasn't usually an issue but it's definitely happened before for us, with just those two mods

disappeared completely after disabling generalimprovements

[vagrant root]

I just stopped using intro skippers, they do more harm than good

[brisk harbor]

i'm not sure what exactly the deal is but there is some sort of connection

[brisk harbor]

as far as im aware it's just LLL being picky

so if you dont use LLL it's not an issue

iirc the only mod i have that does anything before the main menu scene is LC_FastStartup and i think yesfox? loads the fox from its bundle before the main menu

but come to think of it i've never actually checked how 1a3 implemented that

[vagrant root]

I think it might have just been a bug with MoreCompany or GI in the past cus I also haven't ran into problems

[brisk harbor]

maybe it got patched at some point but it would've been after we stopped using it

we were still experiencing the issue up until the point i just decided to remove it

[still stirrup]

i just load it on awake

[brisk harbor]

ah

[still stirrup]

or gamenetworkmanager start

cuz it needs to be a networked prefab which means i need to load it before entering the lobby

[brisk sierra]

it's not just LLL

BFLAP is also vulnerable to this issue

[brisk sierra]

more company memory leak?

[vagrant root]

From my experience it doesn't necessarily have a memory leak, but it seems to be stacking the visor post processing or something everytime you do a lobby reload, which leads to super laggy mouse movement after you do about 10 or 11 rejoins even with a fresh lobby.

so you're getting some worse performance every time you reload a lobby

which is only happening with MoreCompany

[still stirrup]

the weird thing is morecompany doesnt touch the visor at all

[vagrant root]

Yeah not sure if it's the visor specifically, it's just doing something everytime you reload a lobby

the jittering the visor does made me think it could be stacking that

Unfortunately nothing useful gets logged either

@brisk sierra This wouldn't be cus of the compat you had to add for the cosmetics stuff in the past right? 🤔 Cus talking to 1A3 my only real guess is maybe it could be some interaction with MoreCompany and LethalPerformance

[brisk sierra]

I didn't add any compact with more company

only more suits

[vagrant root]

I mean you added the compat to fix the cosmetics menu in game

[brisk sierra]

that makes usage of compression

[brisk sierra]

it's only fix of rendering UI icon

[vagrant root]

Yeah so

The only real way to isolate what is happening after a lobby reload would likely be through profiling

I just wanted to be sure it's not some odd case of the ui element just never being unloaded or smth

[vagrant root]

0194b07f-9236-3bed-6dab-556384a8e6e0 My current mod pack if you wanna try and isolate it, it's a lot smaller than my previous ones were lol

[solar monolith]

I've heard that this happens in vanilla as well actually

haven't been able to reproduce it but I've only tried a couple times, and only in a debug build thus far, I am really curious what is going on with that

[brisk sierra]

#1268919667347427390 message

[vagrant root]

Is it just stacking that every time you do a Lobby Reload?

[brisk sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/miiverse-miiverseyeah-like-cute-twitter-gif-1345596585551097703

[vagrant root]

Is there a config option that can be disabled to fix that for now?

IE disabling Snowfall and Blizzard maybe?

Maybe this option

Actually probably this

Btw @unreal oriole I found a potential conflict caused by LandFromOrbit, when playing on Cosmocos the Cosmocos scene was playing when leaving the moon instead of when landing, and I have a feeling it could be due to LandFromOrbit since I don't think anything else could cause such a conflict

I think the solution would be to allow blacklisting Cosmocos most likely

[vagrant root]

@unreal oriole Confirmed LandFromOrbit, did a test profile

If enabled the cutscene on Cosmocos breaks, disabling it fixes it

[unreal oriole]

what LandFromOrbit does is simply start the ship animator earlier.
i've no idea why Cosmocos clip get's moved to the takeoff.

[vagrant root]

I think the Cosmocos scene probably triggers from the way the ship lands the vanilla way

and when leaving with LandFromOrbit installed you end up hitting the trigger

But yeah it causes a ton of issues unfortunately, terrain going into the ship on land, a broken clock appearing after landing, clients got desyncs cus it breaks the random generation

So it would be a good idea to add a config to blacklist moons and make Cosmocos be a default

[unreal oriole]

but the takeoff animation is litterally the landing one reversed. so if it was a trigger like you say it would still be hit while landing

[vagrant root]

No idea, maybe Cosmocos' cutscene is hooking into the Scene Load?

[unreal oriole]

this feels like something we have to ask @thorn ravine how he's done it

[vagrant root]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240073706236284928/1334092940217421824/image.png?ex=679b465f&is=6799f4df&hm=1ab2fd24cb78dbdfa574b93a1dcb53860678d550523a1c72556dd5ea4324cfc1&

Feel like it's related to this

[unreal oriole]

i'm not skipping anything there

i'm adding code at the end of the method

[vagrant root]

Yeah idk

[unreal oriole]

and cosmocos has no dll so it's implemented in scene w/o harmony

[vagrant root]

I suspect the scene is triggered from the ship landing on the moon at the very beginning before it loads in

Cus LandFromOrbit stops that from happening, which is likely bypassing the scene

[unreal oriole]

there is no ship landing in vanilla. the ship is at 0,0,0 ( not exactly but works as an approximation ) so when a level loads the ship is already on the ground. then as soon as the game finishes loading the animator teleports the ship to the air and starts the movement

[vagrant root]

https://www.twitch.tv/lunxara/clip/DaintyWiseOcelotBCouch-_HhhMGhOlGGdXNLT To say the least

with LandFromOrbit shit like this happens