Tolian's Moons and Interiors

[prisma laurel]

I may try readding the full bundle soon keeping that in mind since it's only those 3 lol

[prisma laurel]

I'll wait til you do the Celestria rename just so I won't have to regen my config after 😅

[prisma laurel]

Btw @faint topaz any plans to migrate to using LethalToolbox at all?

[faint topaz]

Yes

[prisma laurel]

Nice I look forward to it ^^

[faint topaz]

Yes optimization will need to be done

[prisma laurel]

Yeah I expect an update later ^^

[faint topaz]

How much does argentscene weigh?

If I'm not mistaken about 120mb?

[prisma laurel]

Yeah I think it was close to that, I just noticed those 3 were larger than your other moons ^^

Lemme double check 😂

[faint topaz]

Well I think I can Argent and Spectralis optimize but Crystallum will be quite hard to optimize as it is already optimized very much😂

[faint topaz]

Anyway, I'm gonna try

[prisma laurel]

Haha it's actually a bit smaller, Argent is around 90 mb

Spectralis and Crystallum are the big ones

😂

[faint topaz]

Definitely one Spectralis weighs as much as 3 moons😂

[prisma laurel]

😂 yeah it does lol

I'll keep the full moons bundle readded since you plan to update those, I'm sure my group will be glad for the optimizations. Poor @mild bramble yesterday 😭

Stuck importing for like an hour, tbf that could have been a Thunderstore issue though

and he mentioned internet problems

Which doesn't help

😂

[faint topaz]

Thunderstore.....

[faint topaz]

I'll do it

[prisma laurel]

Yeah you got this king 🙏

[zenith jay]

They all using r2? I found thunderstore was just worse in every conceivable way...

[prisma laurel]

Yeah he may have been using TMM

[zenith jay]

I have yet to have a download issue with r2, had them all the time when I used TMM

[prisma laurel]

Thunderstore Mod Manager is a problematic experience, @gaunt topaz recently swapped to R2 and was so happy with the improvements

[zenith jay]

TMM is just plain bad imo, I am so glad I switched

[prisma laurel]

Yeah it's cus of the ads and the extra bloat of needing Overwolf

and TMM is much more unstable and crash prone too

[zenith jay]

That was my guess

[prisma laurel]

I've never had R2 crash on me knock on wood

[zenith jay]

r2 has saved me so much time just when testing things, the amount of time lost to bs is unreal XD

[ancient crane]

@faint topaz Do you have any other way to receive donations besides buymeacoffee? It uses Stripe, which I don't like.

[faint topaz]

nope

[ancient crane]

Oh well, okay

[west pivot]

do u think you could make spectralis back to the darkness it had? i know someone said it was too dark but i thought it looked cooler that way then it does now

[west pivot]

or maybe at least make it so it goes from light to dark over time?

[warm seal]

Is there a way to disable some of the moons to be routed to in this pack? Whether it's a mod or config?

[zenith jay]

You can hide and/or lock the moon in the LLL config

[warm seal]

thank you

[faint topaz]

I think so

[wanton mountain]

Does Nyx have a issue with displaying the heads-up clock or is it just me?
Time still works

[faint topaz]

I'll fix it when I recover from losing part of the project....

[wanton mountain]

awh man sad to hear, hope it goes well!

[prisma laurel]

It is a bug with Nyx atm

@wind otter also had this bug

[wanton mountain]

thanks for letting me know!

[wind otter]

Yeah its the only moon i’ve encountered it on so far

[prisma laurel]

Tolian is currently redoing his project to use LethalToolbox to try and fix the desync issues some people have been having so it might be a couple days or so before he pushes the new update

[gaunt topaz]

guessing "or so" is more likely. this king has 16 moons and counting to tend to

[prisma laurel]

Yeah

[gaunt topaz]

take your time, tolian. we're in no hurry whatsoever. plus, with Toolbox, perhaps some custom lore tapes for each moon can be made ;3

[zenith jay]

The next update is gonna be quite a bit. @faint topaz can explain more🙃

[thick moss]

Quick question, are these moons aimed at being more vanilla-esque or kinda goofy like Bozorus?

[prisma laurel]

More Vanilla-Esque

But not all of them

Some of them have their own thing going which you'll either like or dislike

[thick moss]

Fair

I prefer more vanilla+ kinda stuff usually but I’ll have to give this one a go

Been meaning to for a while

[prisma laurel]

He's made moons specific for interiors too

ie

PsychSanctum for Dantor's Interior

[zenith jay]

I'd say give them a go, nothing feels completely out of place to me anyways

[prisma laurel]

Sanguine for the lovely ScarletDevilMansion

[prisma laurel]

I did test Harloth last night, it's weird having that trek to main entrance be so much smaller

lol

[thick moss]

Oh ok, guess that’s a good excuse to try scarlet Devil as well

[faint topaz]

I'm in the process of rebuilding the project now, as I've lost 75% or so of the project, so it may take quite a while..

[zenith jay]

It's nice, also makes going to the fire exits less of a pain

[prisma laurel]

Take all the time you need

[thick moss]

Sorry to hear that, no rush!

[prisma laurel]

Hope you can recover what you lost that's a big oof 😦

[faint topaz]

Well, one moon has been restored. Now it's just a matter of restoring the other 14

[prisma laurel]

You got this ^^

[thick moss]

Oh damn I love the vibe that moon has

Nice lighting

[prisma laurel]

Zenit is a good one

[last crown]

guess what happened

(it was fine btw I just walked off the map and it tp'd me back to the ship)

[faint topaz]

I'll fix it after I restore the project

[last crown]

its fiiiine the driftwoods LOVE throwing me out the map xD

[prisma laurel]

I mean Driftwoods don't fit on that moon anyways, everything is too close together for them

XD

[faint topaz]

• 0.7.0 >>> 0.7.1 Updated Zenit

[prisma laurel]

👀

How's it going with recovering the others?

💜

Also looks like Thunderstore hasn't registered you uploading it yet

XD

[faint topaz]

slowly and surely, I'll rebuild everything

[prisma laurel]

You got this 🙏

[faint topaz]

at least I've figured out what the desynchronization problem is

[prisma laurel]

Oh?

What was it?

Was it a weird conflict of some sort? 🤔

Cus for my pack they stopped after nuking the reserved items mods

[faint topaz]

removing some things in AudioReverbPresets solved the problem of microbloat when entering the game

[prisma laurel]

;ooo

[glass abyss]

does desat know? 👀

[faint topaz]

but honestly, it's all kind of weird

[prisma laurel]

Yeah Desat's moons are plagued with the same issue

[faint topaz]

but I think that was the problem

[prisma laurel]

So probably same thing on his side

[prisma laurel]

I mean if this solves it then good

[faint topaz]

@flat nexus

[prisma laurel]

I guess it's time for the people who experienced desync issues to test new Zenit

I'll have to do the same and see if it behaves okay with Reserved Item Slots

So I should ask @faint topaz Were all your moons affected by this? Idk if the recent releases were or not

[faint topaz]

well all the moons were lost, so now I have to practically rebuild everything from scratch

Anyway, sooner or later I'll rebuild the project

[prisma laurel]

You've got this

[floral rune]

is the desync an issue with routing to moons?

ive use psychsanctum for a few weeks now, that was the only moon of yours i had, was working fine.
today added 2 more..
Azure and Spectralis.

we had a weird desync..

my friend routed us to Spectralis (clear).. for me it showed PsychSanctum (Stormy)
so i routed us to Spectralis (clear), for my friend it showed PsychSanctum (Stormy)
so, i landed on spectralis...

we got spectralis (clear) for me and Spectralis (stormy) for my friend. 🙂

tried Azure, also was PsychSanctum for the person not routing 🙂

fun bugs... but yeah, from my pov, seems 1 moon of yours at a time works fine.. but once you have more than one, it seemed to jump through hoops for me xD

[prisma laurel]

Yeah this is the desync issue he's fixing.

[floral rune]

ah, ok 🙂 will bear that in mind and turn off those moons for now then 🙂 thanks for letting me know

[prisma laurel]

Yeah it happens with certain mod combinations, it's strange tbh

[gusty juniper]

@faint topaz once you restore the project, could we also expect psychsanctum to get a ship navmesh update so dogs can actually get on board if they hear a sound inside it? Currently no A.I. knows how to get on board and just goes under the ship instead.

[faint topaz]

yes

[gusty juniper]

based, thanks

[prisma laurel]

CaltPrime currently has this same issue

Enemies can't pathfind onto the ship

[gusty juniper]

so does Celest... and Atlas Abyss... odd that many moon authors run into this issue where either they forget the make sure ship navmesh works or it did upon release and breaks easily perhaps...

[prisma laurel]

I just hope Harloth is the moon that gets restored next

I need Harloth

🥺

[ancient crane]

The restoration will make the moons harder-

[prisma laurel]

He never confirmed what the difficulties were gonna be

Also Zenit already got it's restoration update and it doesn't say it was made harder

So as far as I'm aware you're spreading false information atm

[gusty juniper]

I built my psychsanctum's scrap and enemy pools and spawning behavior from scratch with LethalQuantities because I'm obsessively detail oriented

so mine is already hard as balls from the default

[ancient crane]

It was a joke

Because the eyeless dogs will enter the ship

[prisma laurel]

Ah lol

[ancient crane]

My friends and I, who frequently die of mud and even once the spore lizard, find this a feature lol

[tacit pelican]

@faint topaz my favorite part of your moons is how a few where made to match popular interior mods, do you plan to do that for any other interiors?

[faint topaz]

What interiors do I still need to make moons for?

[solemn sorrel]

toy store would be cool

[faint topaz]

If I'm not mistaken, Wesley already has a moon for this interior?

[solemn sorrel]

i mean not exactly?

If you wanna make a stretch in terms of lore, etern fits the bill but not really in terms of actual looks, at least i think it doesnt

i always assumed that etern was a factory and was more facility based than what toy store looks like

which is like a cozy wooden almost abandoned place

just a suggestion im not holding you at gun point or anything lol

[faint topaz]

I'll do something for this interior

[solemn sorrel]

yooooooo

[faint topaz]

• 0.7.5 >>> 0.7.6 Updated Nyx
  • 0.7.1 >>> 0.8.0 Updated Zenit

[ancient crane]

I didn't know of that! Is it written somewhere?

[tacit pelican]

Psych sanctum I for the mental hospital interior, the doors even match

Also echelon is for the school interior mod

[tacit pelican]

Idk, if they seem cool to you there's the pool room Interiors, as mentioned before Wesley's interior doesn't have a perfect moon. I like to pair maritopia with the office interior but you could always make a perfect match for that. I also like to use the sewer interior on harloth.

[ancient crane]

Argent feels coherent with Office. I'd match Maritopia with PoolRooms, but that's mainly due to the water.

[ancient crane]

How about ScarletDevilMansion, Bunker, Sewers, Castle?

Bunker would be Celestria perhaps

[tacit pelican]

Scarlet devil mansion is very stylized and is from a pre existing franchise so that's a big no

[faint topaz]

Sanguine - SDM,

[ancient crane]

Still a good manor, it fits in LC!

[ancient crane]

Ahh yes!

[faint topaz]

Nyx,Spectralis - Castle?

[ancient crane]

Crystallum too maybe

[tacit pelican]

Yeah, when the catacombs interior comes out I'm changing spectrallis to it

[faint topaz]

Zenit, Celestria - Bunker

[ancient crane]

I suppose we shouldn't take the interiors that already have their moons into account

Harloth - Sewers?

[tacit pelican]

I like to do the star lancer interior fir Celestia

[tacit pelican]

That's what I do

[prisma laurel]

Crystallum is also good with SDM due to the crystal vibe

[ancient crane]

I'd say CaltPrime fits more, but that's just my opinion

[tacit pelican]

I use it on both of those, I know tolian is working on a interior for calt

[ancient crane]

Nimbus and Spectralis crying in the corner

Oh wait you talked about Spectralis

Well, just Nimbus lol

[faint topaz]

I think Argent will get its own redesign as the moon looks pretty bad I think

[faint topaz]

Nimbus - probably a vanilla interior

[ancient crane]

Imo it's the best one

[faint topaz]

Azure - is probably more of a Castle thing

[zinc ermine]

show me 👀

[tacit pelican]

I think the layout should be re arranged the entrance being over to the side feels weird, also more verticality would be cool

[tacit pelican]

Yeah a lot of your moons are the dungeon interior lol

[west pivot]

except unfortunately configs dont work for celestria if you also have Celest atm

[gusty juniper]

Used immersive scrap selection to make all the loot look like it fit the asylum interior, and set all the enemies to be something that prioritizes either jumpscares or stalking. Pretty pleased with my modpack so far, I can give y ou a code when it's complete if you wanna try it, been spending like 2 weeks rigorously fine-tuning and playtesting and balancing it. All the custom moons save for one will have a distinct gimmick or appeal to them so they have a reason to be visited beyond sight-seeing or raw loot pool value.

[small sparrow]

I thought it was one of the best moons in the pack tbh

[small sparrow]

yeah I noticed that when I was making my modpack config

[small sparrow]

we need other water interiors that aren't poolrooms

[small sparrow]

same

[tacit pelican]

Thankfully more medieval style interiors are on the way, the Egypt tomb one will probably be the first to come out, it's been worked on for a few months now

The others are the very new catacombs interior

And this cave interior but those are super new and slow going

[small sparrow]

oh? I've never heard of that one

[small sparrow]

this ond

is there a thread for it?

[gusty juniper]

on the contrary I think Argent is one of the better moons in the roster, mainly because I can actually see and there isn't blinding horrible fog everywhere that makes it difficult to appreciate the details and environment of the moon itself, and I also like it more than budapest because budapest has lower-quality building textures and details... and more detail-masking fog. If you do improve argent, be sure you aren't taking away from anything it already has going for it

[small sparrow]

I wish these moons didn't have any invisible walls

would make them way better imo

oops random reply my bad, meant to reply to you specifically that I agree lmao

but the prior is still true

[tacit pelican]

Not on the this server I've only seen teaser images from others

[small sparrow]

just forgot to type the first part that related to it

[small sparrow]

oh interesting

well, if I don't know where to find updates, it's not much use to me right now

I like having them here in these threads

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz Added updated Zenit and Nyx to my pack so I can test them tonight for desync issues if reserved items and stuff is added let's hope nothing desyncs ^^

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz couple of issues

So 1 is that Zenit is a bit too bright compared to before, and 2 the scan nodes are bugged lol

Nyx also has bugged scan nodes and could use some optimization

But that ambient music

is peak.

I love it

One of the spots to jump over on the path to main is also missing on Nyx

[faint topaz]

Got it. I'll fix it

[prisma laurel]

You got this king ^^ have you managed to restore anymore moons yet?

[faint topaz]

I did a little redesign of the moon

[prisma laurel]

Ahhhh that explains it ^^

So then the main issue is the scan node being bugged, and it could use a bit of Optimization in terms of load time, it takes a bit to load when landing otherwise it performs well

and the Ambient Music is peak I love it

[faint topaz]

Yeah, I'll update three moons today

[prisma laurel]

Ooh ^^

[quartz mortar]

You got this Tolian, we believe in ya'!

[gaunt topaz]

thanks for going thru all this effort

[west pivot]

if this means anything, yesterday i went to nimbus with one other person and we didnt have desync

[ancient crane]

If this means anything, yesterday 3 of us died from the mud in psychsanctum and we didn't have desync

[faint topaz]

I have to postpone the updates a bit as the moons are having some strange problems….

[prisma laurel]

All good bud take all the time you need ^^

@faint topaz this might be some useful info, but I had some Physics.Physx errors in my log and disabling Nyx and Zenit made them go away, maybe that's why Nyx is a bit laggy when landing and leaving currently?

[faint topaz]

Hmm, yeah, maybe

[faint topaz]

Do you have a screenshot of this error?

[prisma laurel]

Unfortunately no lol, I forgot to screenshot it

[faint topaz]

np

[faint topaz]

• 0.4.0 >>> 0.5.0 Updated Harloth

[gaunt topaz]

@prisma laurel ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

god i wish i had time to test multiplayer today XD

[faint topaz]

• 0.7.5 >>> 0.8.0 Updated CaltPrime
  • 0.4.0 >>> 0.5.0 Updated Azure
  • 0.7.0 >>> 0.8.0 Updated Spectralis
  • 0.8.0 >>> 0.8.1 Updated Zenit
  • 0.8.0 >>> 0.8.1 Updated Nyx
  • 0.7.0 >>> 0.8.0 Updated Crystallum

[gaunt topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

^Tolian rn

[shy otter]

some feedback from a friend "I was really excited for PsychSanctum’s remake and I was pretty disappointed that the moon, while pretty, is just so boring now. It’s just a straight path to the building which is just like a box with a door iirc the old one had a secret thing in the woods and a whole courtyard and with two buildings
"

[prisma laurel]

Spectralis and Crystallum 🩷 they are back and Harloth too 😄

[shy otter]

wdym they are back?

[prisma laurel]

He's been redoing them all to fix the desync issues

Rebuilding the project from the ground up.

[shy otter]

ah

so its different now?

crystal I mean

[prisma laurel]

It might be, he did talk about removing the dog spawns from Crystallum lol

[faint topaz]

Well, the old version is always available for download😉

although I may yet change PsychSanctum

[prisma laurel]

Another change for PsychSanctum? ;o

That wouldn't be a bad thing actually

current PsychSantcum enemies can't pathfind onto the ship so if you grab bees they permanently roam

😂

[faint topaz]

idk yet

[prisma laurel]

Btw no seperate update for EachoReach?

XD

[faint topaz]

in the process😂

[prisma laurel]

😂

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz that main entrance node 😂

Optimization is way better though

[faint topaz]

mmm

[prisma laurel]

Hey the Optimization is better and no more Physx errors so that's good 😄 a bugged node isn't quite as bad XD

[warm seal]

This just happened on Azure. Idk if it's worth reporting or not but I thought I'd post it here

[prisma laurel]

lol

That happens on Summit when leaving too, cus you hit a mountain

[hasty heath]

I keep having this issue when I load into Summit with hdlethal enabled

@faint topaz

[distant grotto]

from what i've gathered about HDlethal, is that is messes with a lot of stuff it shouldn't, and causes problems with mods or something. I think i've seen people mention using LcUltraWide instead

I could be wrong though

[prisma laurel]

You're correct

HDLC also causes issues if you try to play on Summit with Rosie's pack

Due to touching things it shouldn't

[hasty heath]

oh am I dumb and summit isn't a tolian map?

[prisma laurel]

Yeah no Summit is one of Rosie's Moons

[hasty heath]

oh shit my bad

thank you for the help tho

[sullen hedge]

is there a good interior poreset for this pack ?

[sullen hedge]

how to get tolians moons to load?

[digital bluff]

Ehh, its more like its trying to find something that doesn't exist, and it doesnt have a check for that so it just stalls the game and never loads

[sullen hedge]

tolian only on le core?

[digital bluff]

no, all of tolian's moons are using LLL

[sullen hedge]

we played fine last night and now cant even host without getting walled.

do starlancer mess with tolians ?

[digital bluff]

Not that i know of

[sullen hedge]

are there any known mods to mess with the pack ? or should i download them singularly

[faint topaz]

Interesting

Are you using r2modman?

[faint topaz]

I'll fix it

[tacit pelican]

What's the exact issue?

[wanton mountain]

Hey i was looking into some ol' classics. I was wondering about Celestria and EchoReach, ever thought about combining them? Or what is the plan if you have any? Just curious and interested

[faint topaz]

||for Celestia, I plan to add a transport to get around, and for EchoReach I plan to redesign||

[wanton mountain]

badass

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz Spectralis is extremely dark while inside like when you originally first released the moon

Needs a fix bls

[faint topaz]

oops😅

I'll fix it

[prisma laurel]

Yeah thought you should know hehe

[gaunt topaz]

https://i.gyazo.com/fc4d792355f5edf9162a6b3aa6f3a7df.jpg ah yes, my favorite main entrance is straight up in the air

[shy otter]

the mist triggered my ptsd

[faint topaz]

A diversionary move😂

[gaunt topaz]

apparently the ship node wasnt on the ship either? dont have a screenshot of that, sadly

still on Harloth

[faint topaz]

I'll fix it

[gaunt topaz]

yer doin good, lad

[prisma laurel]

I got a SS of the ship node

Lol

But @faint topaz you did fix the desync issues confirmed, PepsiMan had left and rejoined and never desynced lol

Hope to see the rest of the moons updated soon

Spectralis also has a bugged main entrance node that's going way behind the actual main entrance but I think the interior lighting being extremely dark should be the main priority lol

[faint topaz]

That's great

[prisma laurel]

Yesss 😄

[floral wing]

What moons of of Tolian’s don’t have very far away entrances some just seem like a long walk

[faint topaz]

Probably all but Celestria, Argent and Crystallum and maybe Maritopia?

[thick moss]

I still have no idea what path to take to get to the facility on Maritopia lmao

Crystallum has a great vibe but I do think the walk there and back is a bit much

Haven’t gotten to Argent or Celestria yet

[prisma laurel]

Crystallum is a lot better now

Cus no dogs XD

Well they can still spawn but I think their chance was lowered

[thick moss]

No dogs? I can’t imagine trees can spawn, so does that just leave baboon hawks?

[prisma laurel]

Dogs can still spawn I checked the config

But I think it's lower

They used to spawn and just camp the pathways

[thick moss]

In my very limited time there we did encounter a dog on the way back lol, managed to juke it though so it wasn’t bad

Trees would be a nightmare

[prisma laurel]

I've never heard anyone call Giants trees

lol

They don't even look like trees to me

[thick moss]

They look like big tree men!

[prisma laurel]

Not to me

[thick moss]

Sort of

[prisma laurel]

lol

[thick moss]

The name is too engrained in me now so they will be trees lol

Speaking of trees, love the forest on Spectralis

[prisma laurel]

I like Spectralis but I wouldn't say it's my favorite Tolian moon tbh

My favorites are probably PsychSanctum, Harloth, and Sanguine

Althoughhhh

I really love Nyx a lot more now as well with the eerie ambience

[thick moss]

Nyx is very good

[prisma laurel]

The ambience makes the moon feel more special than it used to

Which is good

[thick moss]

I also like the abandoned colony look that CaltPrime has

[prisma laurel]

CaltPrime I love cus it's another industrial moon for Starlancer's interior

lol

[thick moss]

Lol

[prisma laurel]

Warehouse is one of my favorite interiors

I want Sector-0's to get updated really badly 😦

[thick moss]

Calt is kind of crazy though it’s so fast getting loot out of there and the spawns are just bonkers. So much easy money to be made

Crazy in a good way tho imo

[faint topaz]

@solemn sorrel

[solemn sorrel]

yippee

[faint topaz]

• 0.8.0 >>> 0.8.1 Updated CaltPrime
  • 0.5.0 >>> 0.5.1 Updated Harloth
  • 0.8.1>>> 0.8.2 Updated Zenit
  • 0.8.0 >>> 0.8.1 Updated Spectralis

[faint topaz]

• 0.8.0 >>> 0.8.1 Updated Crystallum
  • 0.8.1 >>> 0.8.2 Updated Nyx
  • 0.5.0 >>> 0.5.1 Updated Azure

[faint topaz]

xd

[prisma laurel]

What moon is this? lol

[faint topaz]

EchoReach

[prisma laurel]

XD how did you manage to give it 2 suns?

[faint topaz]

I'm wondering how that happened myself😂

[shy otter]

honestly maybe having some have 2 suns could be cool to indicate they are in a different solar system

kinda like some had in star wars

[zenith jay]

Did I do that?👀😅

[faint topaz]

possibly

[zenith jay]

I remember fixing the sun and the eclipsed sun, but I don't remember there being two suns😂

I don't hate it tho, looks good for the moon😁

[faint topaz]

It's not hard to fix, but it looks nice

[zenith jay]

You have my vote to keep it. I like the vibe

[faint topaz]

well, two suns, then

[zenith jay]

I just thought, what does it look like during an eclipse? Double eclipse?😂

[faint topaz]

hmm interesting

• 0.9.0 >>> 0.9.1 Updated Maritopia
  • 0.7.6 >>> 0.8.3 Updated EchoReach

[prisma laurel]

I hope PsychSanctum and Sanguine are close to being updated

:3

[zenith jay]

Great picture, can really see a lot👀😛

[gaunt topaz]

mrov fog experience

[prisma laurel]

😄

[gaunt topaz]

lookin gewd

[faint topaz]

• 0.8.7 >>> 0.9.0 Updated Celestria

[distant grotto]

I am yet to try out all your moons, but oh my god I love how nice your stuff looks man. For some reason this one gives pokemon Sword and shield vibes, really nice stuff

[faint topaz]

0.4.0 >>> 0.4.1 Updated Sanguine

[thick moss]

Some of these moons are built for custom interiors right?

[gaunt topaz]

correct

Sanguine for Scarlet Devil Mansion and Nyx for Castle

maybe CaltPrime for Starlancer Warehouse?

PsychSanctum for Mental Hospital

Echelon for the School interior (and maybe SleepsDungeon)

[zenith jay]

Nyx for Scoopy's Castle interior

[thick moss]

Does Tolian’s assign the interiors if they’re installed or do you need to edit that via config?

[zenith jay]

You need to do it yourself

[thick moss]

Thought so

Thanks ^^

[prisma laurel]

Scarlet Devil Mansion also works really well on Nyx

In fact I think I might recommend it over the Castle since as of V50 Masked enemies can't pathfind out of the Castle interior and get stuck camping the main entrance door

[gaunt topaz]

https://i.gyazo.com/8b0786334deb7c052cc8d506a3af9fd0.png @faint topaz Sanguine

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz Sanguine is bugged

[gaunt topaz]

and also drop pod drops slightly into the ground, meaning contents land beneath the surface

https://i.gyazo.com/0b966e8f61735503292a68a89c570e46.jpg another screenshot for further proof

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz from the look of things I think you left the facility interior bundled with Sanguine

[languid summit]

hmmm, im having an issue on spectralis where i am getting teleported to the bottom of the map. after crossing the first bridge and exiting the facility is when it is happening

[gusty juniper]

@faint topaz does Argent have some sort of weird force-item-spawn thing built into the moon? I'm getting exactly 2 shopping carts every single time I land on argent despite setting them to be 0 spawn weight in Lategame Upgrade's configs

[faint topaz]

it's something else

[prisma laurel]

Weird so it may have been Zenit then

Did anything stick out in the logs?

I mean if anything I'm glad this is the first time we got a desync, but now I'm wondering why lol

My only other guess is I wonder if the import flubbed up somehow

[faint topaz]

spam

[prisma laurel]

Weird

So it failed so load it on his end somehow?

[faint topaz]

yep

[prisma laurel]

Odd

Cus I know it spawned in fine for him on Nyx

🤔

[faint topaz]

maybe because of BepInExFasterLoadAssetBundlesPatcher?

redoing Sanguine

[prisma laurel]

It could be? Not sure

[faint topaz]

I'll patch it, but I'm not sure it'll help

[prisma laurel]

Yeah I'm confused why it only broke on his end

[faint topaz]

Well, I'll take the Nyx prefab and see what happens😂

[prisma laurel]

😂

[faint topaz]

It may also be worth removing LethalLevelLoader.cfg

[prisma laurel]

Yeah

I did do a complete Regen before we played earlier but dunno lol

[prisma laurel]

Maybe I need to downgrade LLL to 1.2.2 again, maybe the assets didn't load properly for him or something

[faint topaz]

Perhaps

[faint topaz]

very weird

[prisma laurel]

Guess I'll just have to deal with SmartItemSaving causing me random crashing issues at the main menu lol, unless I can figure out what setting to disable that may fix that, or maybe I can make a PSA that says if someone has trouble to downgrade LLL to 1.2.2 boot the game up once, and then reupdate it

[ancient crane]

What do you guys prefer between SleepsDungeon and SchoolDungeon?

[faint topaz]

0.4.1 >>> 0.4.2 Updated Sanguine

[gusty juniper]

think I figured it out... the Peeper trap meant to spawn in lategame's peepers was spawning in shopping carts... very odd but at least it isn't argent behavior doing it

[prisma laurel]

Just noticed how close you are to getting the rest of the moons updated c; congrats I hope those last 5 don't give you any trouble 💜

[faint topaz]

• 1.3.0 >>> 1.4.0 Updated Budapest

I've done the maths and now the moons package weighs 818 mb

[stuck leaf]

i have an idea for an interior

an edited version of the facility tiles

with blood over the walls, destroyed machinery and some laboratory-ish rooms

to make it look like an actual disaster happened, and they were actually doing stuff in there

[faint topaz]

I'll make a note of that idea for the future

[stuck leaf]

:D

[gaunt topaz]

so my understanding of the Sanguine repatch is that you reused Nyx's prefab to fix the desync it made. if this is the case, perhaps using that prefab for the remainder of your moons will help prevent any more?

[faint topaz]

I'm already using one prefab

[gaunt topaz]

cool cool

[ancient crane]

Is there a way to prevent it from crashing at landing?

[faint topaz]

Did you try the latest version?

[ancient crane]

Yep, just did! But I've never been able to start this moon :(

[faint topaz]

I'll have to optimize it some more😔

[ancient crane]

No, I don't mean it lags, I mean it won't load, it just crashes. Independently of the computer used

[faint topaz]

the moon itself starts but because of the use of more mods it crashes - this makes it bad for modpacks, which means that I need to optimize this moon more

[floral rune]

just played on spectralis, everyone fell through the floor (interior was wesley's toystore), just thought id let you know

i dont know when the others fell, but we all ended up alive under the map.

i fell through when leaving the interior.

[gaunt topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/log-ren-stimpy-gif-18050633177369619965

best to provide a .log so Tolian can see if it's actually a thing with his moon

more accurate results can come from the client(s) affected

(apologies if i came off as rude with my gif ^^")

[prisma laurel]

Did you add the full Moons bundle though or only the updated ones?

Only use the updated ones atm

The ones not yet updated will cause desync problems

[faint topaz]

oh

I'd like to see the logs

[floral rune]

I'll try to replicate as log are likely lost, I didn't see anything in the console.and later forgot xD

[floral rune]

there you go, same fall out of the map occured for me when i left the facility.

i will try again with less mods xD

[faint topaz]

was the problem on other moons? And did you use the latest version?

[floral rune]

erm, the problem occured to everyone.. but, im now getting the same on assurance.. im very confused.. but yes, was using the latest version.

i think on assurance, its because im using imperium to remove everything from the level (hazards/loot/etc).. but its just weird it started occuring on a vanilla map too.

[faint topaz]

Must be a conflict of mods

[prisma laurel]

I mean for what it's worth

Toystore is mostly meant for Etern XD

[floral rune]

nah, on assurance, it was just me deleting items in imperium, on Spectralis when i tested, its only spectralis.

[floral rune]

i have it on etern as well xD the point is not the interior.. xD i used the standard facility, also fell out the map.

[faint topaz]

If it happens even on vanilla moons, I don't think Spectralis is to blame😅

[prisma laurel]

He said it was cus of his Imperium settings with the vanilla moons

Where as with Spectralis he didn't have Imperium

[floral rune]

no no you misunderstand.

Last night, only spectralis was had this occuring
this morning, i tested spectralis.. both with toystore interior, and vanilla interior.. both same thing, fell through the map when leaving the interior

now... i was just testing my mod.. and fell through the floor, but it was related to me using imperium to delete items xD completely unrelated.

[prisma laurel]

Meaning he did an oopsie

[floral rune]

i have recordings, so let me share them 🙂

oh nvm, it didnt record, typical.

[faint topaz]

Now it makes sense😂

[floral rune]

yeah, sorry, i was literally testing my mod, saw you replied, read your reply.. looked back at my testing and map was gone, i was shocked 😄

[cloud echo]

Was testing out a modpack with friends with Tolian moons and one of my friends experienced that same glitch that Virus had, but this time on CaltPrime. The thing is that while I did have interior mods, CozyOffice and LC_Office, the dungeon generated was the regular factory one. The friend also saw the same factory inside from the enterance, but once he went through fire exit, he fell to his death. I'm not exactly sure if this is even the modded interiors fault since they never appeared on the moon. We also went on Zenit before and it worked smoothly, the inside was factory again and both enterance and fire exit worked.

[faint topaz]

I'm using a Nyx prefab to fix it

[cloud echo]

So like I download the moon Nyx?

[faint topaz]

Just wait for me to make a patch

[cloud echo]

I see

[prisma laurel]

Whatever prefab you use for Nyx seems to be the magic you should use for the rest of your remaining moons that need updates too c;

PsychSanctum my beloved I need it to return 🥺

[faint topaz]

Today

[prisma laurel]

Yay 😄

[faint topaz]

• 0.8.1 >>> 0.8.2 Updated Spectralis

[faint topaz]

• 0.9.5 >>> 1.0.0 Updated PsychSanctum

[prisma laurel]

@gaunt topaz c;

[prisma laurel]

Another restart? Did you swap out the prefab? ;o

[faint topaz]

yep

[hasty spruce]

Can’t wait to try this out!

I was a little disappointed with the first redesign, as while it looked a lot better, there wasn’t really much substance outside of the visuals like the original had.

[sullen hedge]

does psychsanctum load dantors on LLL 1.24.?

[prisma laurel]

Yes if you set Dantor's up through the LLL config

[sullen hedge]

so everything works on 1.2.4?

how would you go about putting them in the LLL config

[shy otter]

all interiors work in v50, scoopy's ,sector 0 and cozy offices just have a small issue causing masked not to escape and instead camp near the entrance

and mental hospital has some performance issues

[sullen hedge]

as in just lagging?

[shy otter]

lag spikes yeah

[sullen hedge]

you just set psych sanctum through the config file there tho if thats where you wanted to go

will the mask come outside???

ive seen similar on artifice

[shy otter]

yeah, unless you pulla me and spend hours doing each moon in LQ

[sullen hedge]

dude my gf gets mad i config 172 mod pack

lol

[shy otter]

yeah those 4 interiors has then just rest near the entrance when trying to come outside

wont instant kill

just ambush

[sullen hedge]

thyell come outside and camp out front too ?

[shy otter]

if masked spawn outside they will come inside if they follow you

then be trapped

only applies to those 4 tho, rest of the modded interiors dont have that issue

[sullen hedge]

ahhh ive just seen them make it to entracne and linger and then walked out front and lingered out front for awile until we left on art but this was long before the LE fallout

those 4?

[shy otter]

the 4 interior I mentioned have that issue rn

[sullen hedge]

scoopyu secor cozy n

[shy otter]

scoopys is 2

castle and sewer

[sullen hedge]

ywha

yeah

i recall but thats one the masked bug?

[shy otter]

yeah, it only happens on those 4

rest of the interiors are fine

[sullen hedge]

sector 0, scoopys and cozy office not terrible

all moons loading okay?

[shy otter]

yeah the only issue with them is the masked one

[sullen hedge]

and have you tried or prefer loadstone??

[shy otter]

mod causes me more issues than it helps but may need to try and config it

[sullen hedge]

i was gonna say if you got to there chat , they have messed with its config quite a big

bit

[shy otter]

may check it out later

but thunder is having a stroke rn

wait

its back

[sullen hedge]

it was here earlier , gotta love the midwest

does anyone have a spread sheet to copy paste spreadsheet or anything to config LLL

im lazy lol

[shy otter]

ones sec

lemme ask a friend

[shy otter]

ask @zenith jay he gave me his I used as a base for mine before editing it

[sullen hedge]

threw me all these but then said it force the missing pieces one by one

[shy otter]

dafi scraps is the cause

[zenith jay]

I would recommend using the newest version of my spreadsheet, it's got enemies too if you want to do that

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19uPFL4HY0HDtIcMWJUCXDIZNNf8WA8AzR96sWjnwA18/edit#gid=0

@sullen hedge ^^

[sullen hedge]

enable content configuration before hand? and thanks for the heads up on dafi scrap and the fresh spreadsheet i really appreciate it

[zenith jay]

Yeah you'll have to, I'm setting it up for an upcoming config mod

[sullen hedge]

so other than enabling content and injecting moons do i need to do anything else?

[zenith jay]

Are you using just the interiors?

[sullen hedge]

im doing monsters too '

i like ur implementatioin

but i dont need to change anything but making content customiziblle

just that one yeah

[sullen hedge]

no enemy settings for gordion unless its talking of actual company lol

[zenith jay]

Gordion is the company

[sullen hedge]

weird 'vanilla' settings

[shy otter]

zeek prob has something planned

those are def vanilla

wanna bet it has to do with the bomb at the company building

[sullen hedge]

theres no dafis enemies on that ss c:

[sullen hedge]

ogg

ooof

whats that from

dafis

[shy otter]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Dafini/Dafis_Mega_Scrap_Pack_Emporium/

[sullen hedge]

is there a way to search on a damn spreadsheet

[shy otter]

ctrl F

[sullen hedge]

wait so im supposed to add my own weights to enemy spawns or are they in there

[zenith jay]

I don't have it finished yet, but if you want to customize stuff yourself you can make a copy

It's all automatic, you just need to fill out the weight values

[sullen hedge]

well damn i just copy pasted everything over so i gues none of my maps will have monsters now

Locker:0,Immortal Snail:0,Hoarder Queen:0,Hoarder Bugling:0,Shrimp:0,Masked:,Blob:,Butler:,Centipede:,Crawler:,Girl:,Flowerman:,Hoarding bug:,Jester:,Nutcracker:,Puffer:,Bunker Spider:,Spring:,SmallDog:0,Earth Leviathan:,Docile Locust Bees:,Red Locus Bees:,TreeMasked:

im assumingthe weight would go with these

[zenith jay]

Like I said, not finished

[sullen hedge]

oh im not upset or anything

just trying to undetstand how i can finsih from here

[digital bluff]

@faint topaz how did you implement the ambient music for some of your moons. Im having trouble figuring it out xD

[faint topaz]

What exactly is the problem?

[faint topaz]

@digital bluff

[random plume]

Dunno if anyone else has had this problem, but several moons have, uh... Less than fully cohesive map boundaries that I've seen. EchoReach and Spectralis are the absolute worst of the lot in that regard; I literally can't enter the facility without falling through the ground at different points.

Using the Tolian's Moons pack, rather than individual downloads

[obsidian frost]

i can second this, specifically those two moons too

[faint topaz]

Spectralis has been fixed in the latest patch and EchoReach will be getting a patch soon

[random plume]

Alright, thank you

[obsidian frost]

noice

[faint topaz]

If it happens again, let me know

[gusty juniper]

@faint topaz you wouldn't happen to be employing any sort of custom monster spawning behavior that other custom moon authors typically don't, would you? I am having difficulties getting Lethal Quantities to actually apply it's custom spawning behavior on both of the moons I am using from you for my modpack, yet all other custom moons obey Lethal Quantities' custom spawn settings just fine. It's almost like your two moons are somehow overriding something and causing spawns to be blocked or put on a severe delay from normal spawn cycles or something. Is anything like this the case on your end for how you made PsychSanctum and Argent?

[faint topaz]

Argent itself is a bit broken right now, and PsychSanctum got a recent patch, did this happen on the latest version of PsychSanctum?

[gusty juniper]

yes it did, it's a strictly monster spawns related issue, nothing to do with scrap or navmeshes (I assume) or anything else

weird thing is, I had it working in the past but when putting too many changes into a single Presets.json file, which is what Lethal Quantities uses as a master file to make any and all changes to your game (including for modded moons), suddenly it has this issue where spawns are missed entirely and then they try to catch back up later in the day, but it's only on your moons and none of the others, so I am still uncertain if it's a Lethal Quantities issue which you'd think would produce this effect on other custom moons, or if it's something to do with your moons setting up monster spawns with some unique methods that are altering or messing up LQ's or something

this second to last paragraph on this wiki page https://lethal.miraheze.org/wiki/Mechanics about how spawning works does raise an eyebrow for me, your moons behave as though certain enemies are not eligible for spawning even though they should be and according to Unity logs, the game IS attempting to spawn them in and claims to be adjusting power levels as a result, but in-game the enemies simply don't actually spawn at all until much later in the day despite the spawn curve and all other adjustable factors claiming enemies should be eligible for spawning right at the start of the day

it even blocks outside daytime monsters from spawning too, even though they should be by every visible value

[prisma laurel]

I've had no issues with the new update for PsychSanctum

But I also don't use LethalQuantities

[gusty juniper]

it seems like enemy spawns are blocked somehow but only early in the day. Roaming locusts only show up at the halfway point and no sooner, even though by the halfway point according to their spawn chance curve and the master spawn chance curve, they're eligible to spawn immediately, and circuit bees can ONLY spawn at the very first spawn cycle right as the map loads, yet they don't.

so I guess my technical question would be, is there anything about PsychSanctum and Argent that could be preventing early spawn cycles from being fired or somehow forcing ALL monsters during the first quarter of the day to be arbitrarily force-flagged as ineligible for spawning? I've been pulling my hair out for a few days trying to figure this out, I CANNOT reproduce it on any moons but yours

[faint topaz]

Do you use any of my other moons other than these two?

[gusty juniper]

nope, just these

[faint topaz]

I take it you used the latest version of PsychSanctum?

[gusty juniper]

is it possible your moons are taking the master spawn curve and starting it a bit to the left of the grid so it's actually starting at -0.3 instead of 0 for the start of the day? that would explain why it ignores early spawns, but then matches mid and late spawns by only being a few enemy counts off (spawn range accounted for)

yes I am testing the latest psychsanctum rn actually

however, since I am using LethalQuantities to customize scrap and monster spawning behavior, obviously it isn't the spawns you set for the moon

[faint topaz]

I'll take a look when I have time

[gusty juniper]

ok thx

[faint topaz]

@gusty juniper maybe that's the problem?

[gusty juniper]

no, that shouldn't do anything, all that means is at the start of the day enemy spawn chance is multiplied by 1 and at the end of the day it is also multiplied by 1, meaning there's no change to spawn chance for the entire day.
I discovered that setting the enemy composition back to its default for the moon makes the spawn curve work again, so I'm gonna run some tests today and just add to it one by one until the problem shows up to see if I can nail down what causes it with precision, then I'll get back to you. It could very well be Lethal Quantities and not your moons, that's still possible.

[faint topaz]

• 0.4.0 >>> 0.4.1 Updated Echelon
  • 0.8.3 >>> 0.8.5 Updated EchoReach

[gusty juniper]

okay according to my tests, setting the spawning curve for individual enemies to start in the negatives for the value (meaning it takes that enemy's rarity and multiplies it by a negative number, which I assumed would just prevent the enemy from spawning until the value went into the positives later in the day) is what was causing the broken spawning behavior, with more negative values for individual monster spawn curves exacerbating the issue until it somehow broke early spawning and caught up later in the day.
The reason I didn't think negative values would be an issue is because the vanilla game uses negative values for spawning curves already, particularly for the outdoor enemies master spawn curve, so I just assumed I could also use negative values for individual monster spawn curves as well, but apparently this isn't the case.
What's weirder is that I have used negative values for individual monster spawns through LQ on OTHER custom moons and it works perfectly fine and exactly as the numbers would suggest it would, but for some reason on my 2 Tolian moons PsychSanctum and Argent, negative values for the spawn curves tied to individual monsters breaks early spawning entirely. Perhaps the internal math has some sort of strange negative threshold and I was just happening to hit that threshold where it breaks for the Tolian moon custom monster spawning behavior but didn't reach that threshold on the other custom moons that also use negative values in monster spawning curves, so I am still not certain if it was somehow tied to Tolian moons specifically or perhaps just a quirk with Lethal Company I discovered by altering values in a way the game wasn't expecting from very specific spawning curves even though the vanilla game alters them this exact way for other spawning curves.

Never-the-less, it seems I've figured it out at least.

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz are Argent and Nimbus being updated soon? Been waiting for those before I reinstall the full moons bundle 🙏

[faint topaz]

tomorrow, I think

[prisma laurel]

Okay 😄

[west pivot]

is your new interior made for CaltPrime?

also is it wip or stable?

[faint topaz]

is not made for CaltPrime

[faint topaz]

i think it's more stable but still needs work

[west pivot]

i dont know what moons id assign it to hm

[faint topaz]

I'll make him a moon

[west pivot]

oh betttt

[shy otter]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SpookyBuddy/Solarius/

[prisma laurel]

Gratar it would really fit on if you use Wesley's

It'd also fit on Triskelion and Auralis I feel like pretty well

From Starlancer's pack

[gaunt topaz]

https://i.gyazo.com/a0b3af05c4dfaac6dc2a46c06d36939e.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/a1ec2dafe22f3b4f56fbe10af67219ea.jpg
fire exit grab boxes are thin and off center.

as for a suggestion, the doors definitely need to open quicker. current flow is just:

• walk
• wait
• walk
• wait

[faint topaz]

• 0.0.1 >>> 0.0.2 Updated HyperionStation

[gusty juniper]

so while I figured out that negative values for monster spawn curves breaks spawning until they come back into positives, I am actually still getting different odd spawning behavior on PsychSanctum now where too many monsters are spawning too early, as though it's ignoring the master spawn curve.
this pic shows what I set the spawning curve, max power, and range to with Lethal Quantities for PsychSanctum and it results in about 18 enemies spawning before noon (which is before about 0.3 on the normalized time of day) but as you can see, even with range landing on a maximum of 2, it should be allowing no greater than 13 enemies by no later than 0.4 (about 3:00 pm).

Replicating these settings and the monster spawn roster to a T for Experimentation and testing it there results in much more expected monster spawn numbers, but using it on PsychSanctum causes a strange excess of monsters. The deadline was even the exact same (2 days remaining) for both of these tests, so it isn't some secret crazy-high deadline altering the range value under my nose or anything.

@faint topaz Is there perhaps something about PsychSanctum (and maybe also Argent, too) that essentially force-adds additional monster count to the master spawn curve that is only applicable when on that moon?

[gusty juniper]

it seems to behave more consistently when using only 3 points instead of 4 for the master spawn chance curve, but the resulting monsters that spawn in are still only loosely following the set values beyond what the spawn amount range should allow at its max, and always preferring to spawn a few more than what it should. I guess getting very precise spawning behavior just won't be possible on PsychSanctum for now, but at least understanding it generally follows the spawning curve as a rough estimate can still allow for enough balance to be playable. Pretty sure this behavior extends to Argent too, but I'm gonna tailor that and find out for sure as well.

is it possible you are using a different spawning algorithm for your moons versus the one used by Zeekerss for vanilla moons, Tolian? I'm no Unity modder but I can only guess from all the tests I've done trying to nail down the spawning behavior discrepancies on your moons versus others

[faint topaz]

im using a vanilla algorithm

[gusty juniper]

huh

very odd

[west pivot]

off topic question, do u know if theres any negative effects of configing the max sounds to the highest setting in LC max sounds fix mod?

cuz its weird that the default isnt the highest

[prisma laurel]

It can hammer on the cpu and cause performance issues, I recommend increasing it from 128 to 256 that fixed all the sound related issues I had ^^

[west pivot]

ok thanks

[prisma laurel]

Mhm

[faint topaz]

I'll update the Argent along with Nimbus tomorrow when I find the time

[prisma laurel]

Oooh you made it so much brighter I approve I approve

Did you fix the interior lighting too?

;o

@ruby gate 👀

[ruby gate]

amazing

[prisma laurel]

Right? You can actually see :3

It's beautiful lol

[warm seal]

Lean moon hell yeah

[faint topaz]

In theory

[prisma laurel]

;o

[high sierra]

Dang I finally rolled Hyperion on March and when I walked into the facility through a Fire Exit I clipped through the door and fell to my death out of bounds. So much for a first impression 😭

Hope that's not going to be a common issue

[faint topaz]

Yeah, that's one of the big problems so far

I'll fix it soon

[high sierra]

I see, I was just about to say that it happened again
Among other things, some enemies may have trouble navigating the map. As I walked back towards the exit I saw a Bracken just standing at the end of the room. When he got angry I bolted for a random object sticking out next to the path and he could no longer find his way towards me. We had a delightful chat about the most interesting topics: mostly about the many ways he was going to kill me

A Snare Flea later spawned and seemed to have no trouble navigating its way out of the spot Bracken was chilling in though?

When I got bored I found an opportune moment to leave only to have a turret gun me down through a static prop [also not good]

The pathing was a little inconsistent with railings too :P
It was a 50/50 if he'd start charging me or stay still

[faint topaz]

• 0.4.0 >>> 0.4.1 Updated Argent
  • 0.3.0 >>> 0.3.1 Updated Nimbus

[west pivot]

just wanted to say hyperion station is awesome. love the automatic doors and tech sounds. also it seems very well optimized

[faint topaz]

In the latest TolianMoons update i updated all the moons, now theoretically there should be no desynchronization

[gaunt topaz]

your hard work is greatly appreciated, friend.

[gaunt topaz]

https://i.gyazo.com/e928b987c1d6b3d94fd11f31c1d8a9a0.jpg invisible object/extra collider around here in front of me on the path to main. hard to better describe it, really

[keen fern]

HyperionStation has no spawan settings, or do they only appear on tolian moons?

[faint topaz]

look in LethalLevelLoader.cfg

[keen fern]

ah thx

[keen fern]

I noticed that the fire exit from the outside does not work on if the HyperionStation on moon.

[faint topaz]

• 0.8.2 >>> 0.8.3 Updated Nyx
  • 0.3.1 >>> 0.3.2 Updated Nimbus
  • 1.4.0 >>> 1.4.1 Updated Budapest
  • 0.5.1 >>> 0.5.2 Updated Harloth

[faint topaz]

• 0.0.2 >>> 0.1.0 Updated HyperionStation

[ruby bobcat]

Nyx is bugged right now, whenever we go in as a team some of us get a different level of the map. Like, I can see people going up into the air as if there is a stair and go into walls as if there is an entrance, and there is those things for them, but for me it's a different layout.

[ruby bobcat]

actually, all the tolian maps have this issue right now, maybe it's getting in conflict with all other mods I have

[gaunt topaz]

do you have lcoffice?

[lone quail]

Is this happening to other moons?

Can you drop your modpack code?

[ruby bobcat]

no

[ruby bobcat]

not happening to other moons, just to tolian's

[ruby bobcat]

yes, just a sec

018fd704-ed58-33b6-f429-cbb1df62250e

[glass abyss]

zeekeers saved celest with the car update

prayge

[faint topaz]

definitely

[faint topaz]

• 0.5.2 >>> 0.5.3 Updated Azure

[warm seal]

Is Sanguine supposed to look like this?

[faint topaz]

If you mean the sun, yes

[warm seal]

Even the black orb thing?

[zenith jay]

Pretty sure that's an eclipse

[warm seal]

Understood thank you 🫡

[gaunt topaz]

stare into the eclipse and the eclipse will stare back

[gaunt topaz]

https://i.gyazo.com/ff1bf94e8d98b20a01cee8835f9ae692.jpg azure

[faint topaz]

• 0.5.3 >>> 0.6.0 Updated Azure

[round sentinel]

finally gonna be trying out these moons

[round sentinel]

Im so lost 😭

I spent the entire day looking for the main entrance but never found it...

[round sentinel]

Is this a conflict with GI or is it just like that?

it's definitely not right

Zenit is kinda obnoxiously bright inside, Nimbus is the same way with the purple filter (tbh my main gripe is that scanning with the filter just kinda blue flashes your screen 💀)

absolutely gorgeous tho...

[round sentinel]

yeah even with GI scanner turned off its still like this :/

[faint topaz]

on what moon is this problem?

[prisma laurel]

There's a knocked over pole, so probably Argent or Maritopia

[faint topaz]

Argent most likely

[prisma laurel]

Yeah it's really hard to tell cus of the Fog, but I noticed the pole knocked over to the right XD

[round sentinel]

Argent yeah

I finally found main tho

scans normally

idk why it scans main there too

[faint topaz]

The problem is the moon

I'll fix that

[round sentinel]

wrath of the light gods

(Sanguine)

the custom ambiance and music is incredible

oh my god this is actually so peak

you're not supposed to do that. (Budapest)

[faint topaz]

Oh, i see the water broken😅

i'll fix that

[round sentinel]

these moons are really really nice... took way too long to try em out

gonna be bringing my friends through them :)

[west pivot]

the fire exits for hyperion werent fixed for me. It kept saying the entrance was blocked when trying to get in

[round sentinel]

hyperion?

[warm seal]

One of Tolian's interiors, Hyperion Station

It's pretty good

[round sentinel]

Ohh

👀

[faint topaz]

i fix it after the break

[west pivot]

thanks

[ionic remnant]

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

[round sentinel]

wait tolian picked up their moons??

[ionic remnant]

celest and celestria has been undivorced

[round sentinel]

HUGE

ig that means view extension is an added dependency now

[ionic remnant]

its not rn

[distant grotto]

EHAT

[undone haven]

big day for moon enjoyers

[faint topaz]

#1198736199297286196 message

[west pivot]

is spacestation getting developed further?

[gaunt topaz]

not by Tolian (as far as i can tell). Spacestation and Dryad are part of the "Freedom DLC"

[west pivot]

unfortunate

wouldve been cool since tolian made an interior for it

[gaunt topaz]

it... needed LOTS of work.

im more than happy with his moon collection and Hyperion Station

[shy otter]

what was dryad like when it was still up

ik unfinished

[viral hawk]

are you guys having desyncs on Harloth still?

Cuz I am

[gaunt topaz]

nopers

what interior are you using

[zenith jay]

Are you using LLL for all your interior configurations?

[viral hawk]

Yes

it was a facility desync btw

not a custom dungeon

[zenith jay]

What do you mean by that?

[gaunt topaz]

do you have any custom dungeons set to spawn for it?

[viral hawk]

Yes

for this desync we both had the default facility but with different rooms and corridors

[zenith jay]

I've never even seen that before👀

[rich ore]

what mod affecting dungen do you have?

[viral hawk]

Don't think I have any apart from custom dungeons

[faint topaz]

• 0.1.1 >>> 0.1.5 Updated HyperionStation

[gaunt topaz]

@jolly schooner found a little bug on PsychSanctum. apparently, if there's quicksand beneath a fence, the sinking can occur on top of it

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz btw the new Xen Interior works perfectly with Zenit ^^ I think I would say it's even better for it than the Bunker one personally

[faint topaz]

Thats great

[faint topaz]

• 0.0.6 >>> 0.6.0 Updated TeraSpace

[finite spruce]

The new redesigned TeraSpace looks super cool! I know it's WIP but just in case: the elevator button calls it to the floor above the one you're currently standing on, so it just always skips one.

[shy otter]

sometimes exits are blocked in teraspace atm

still cool to see you overhaul it

[faint topaz]

• 0.4.1 >>> 0.4.2 Updated Argent
  • 0.8.3 >>> 0.8.3 Updated Zenit
  • 0.8.1 >>> 0.8.4 Updated Crystallum
  • 1.4.1 >>> 1.4.2 Updated Budapest

[shy otter]

I should mention the bug happend specifically on march(didnt test on other moons)

maybe it has to do with the 3 exits?

[faint topaz]

Maybe, but so far the fire exits arent working at TeraSpace

[prisma laurel]

Do you ever plan to fix enemies being unable to pathfind onto the ship on Nyx?

[faint topaz]

Well, i just remembered that now😅 , so yeah

[prisma laurel]

Okay good ^^ I think there's a few other moons that have the issue too but I can't remember which off the top of my head lmao

I know CaltPrime is one of them

[shy otter]

could have beena fluke, also this is just personal taste but maybe reducing the fog for terra would be good

[faint topaz]

• 0.8.5 >>> 0.9.9 Updated EchoReach

[faint topaz]

• 0.1.5 >>> 0.2.0 Updated HyperionStation

[ionic remnant]

Yo @faint topaz did you ask if you could change the name of celest? Just adding any character in front would fix it since the issue is that celestria contains celest

[gaunt topaz]

a name change is already in order. boi's just busy is all

[ionic remnant]

Really?

What’s the name change

[gaunt topaz]

he's considering "FortCelestria"

[ionic remnant]

Interesting

[zenith jay]

This isn't going to work, Tolian and I tested it. The only options are a complete rename of Celestria or a slight rename to Celest

[silk minnow]

why not just change the C to an S?

[gaunt topaz]

so, tested TeraSpace. i will be blunt here, that was hard for me to do.
https://i.gyazo.com/19c6660fdb438d82168627e56b9489c0.jpg
the lighting here is like im walking through a murky bioluminescent abyss. i could hardly see a few feet in front of me.

items can be scanned thru walls https://i.gyazo.com/69703268e653b51981a1bb90a72b2dbd.jpg

these elevator buttons either need their trigger radiuses increased, or their pedestal height increased https://i.gyazo.com/3bef13e4ead3a53dca31ce503872d67b.jpg

sfx were also nonexistent.

those are just my initial major takeaways

[gaunt topaz]

HyperionStation still has shadow flickering, sadly

[faint topaz]

Hmmm, maybe its because of a lot of light sources, i ll try lowering

[faint topaz]

i ll fix that😂

[faint topaz]

i ll probably remove the sfdesat moons from the package🧐

[shy otter]

Nope not its really convieniant XD

[ionic remnant]

….why?

[faint topaz]

i think i should take a poll

[ionic remnant]

I thought your the only one keeping them alive?

[faint topaz]

i just haven't figured out how to resolve it yet

i guess there's no point in removing the moons from the package.

But the Celest/Celestria problem

[shy otter]

Id say just rename celest

Completely

[ionic remnant]

Yeah it can be resolved easily

1. rename either
2. any character(s) in front of celest
3. any character(s) after celest that aren’t ria

[faint topaz]

have to ask sfdesat

i see you've already asked on the sfdesat channel

[sleek crater]

2 and 3 don’t work

I can try and see if i can whip something up later this week but no promises

[ionic remnant]

Well that’s because you use contains

My config mod uses equals so it’s case specific

[sleek crater]

Their not gonna change their moon name because of your mod

I’m aware I use a contains check, it is intentional

[west pivot]

will u make a moon that will blend with the new teraspace?

[undone haven]

I'm a sucker for moons with unique dungeons fr

[ionic remnant]

Yeah I go out of my way to make my configs user friendly and as stable as possible

It is quite odd how celest isn’t distinguished from celestria despite that one method using equals, I’ll have to check over it again hm

[faint topaz]

mmm

[faint topaz]

i ll think of something

[small sparrow]

what moons would you recomend for this interior

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz soooo

Nyx update seems to bring back the desync issue for clients

My friend saw PsychSanctum

☠️

[faint topaz]

oh

[faint topaz]

• 0.8.4 >>> 0.8.5 Updated Nyx

[faint topaz]

idk😅

[finite thunder]

Hey, something with "Tolian Moons" mod causes my game to bug, causing my cursor to be over the game. None of the buttons work and there's no sound

This is the error: [Info : Unity Log] soumdmanager: True; False
[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
LCOffice.Patches.PlayerElevatorCheck.Update () (at <ae502f15eb1d4b6e802341ba8da61c2d>:IL_0006)

[prisma laurel]

Sounds like an issue with LC Office

[finite thunder]

Yeah, but without LC_Office, I get this:
[Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::Update>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)

And the same glitch

[prisma laurel]

Well I doubt it's Tolian's Moons but probably some other mod causing issues

Did anything update recently or did you add anything new recently?

[finite thunder]

No

I tested taking mods out, and I narrowed it down to Tolian's

[prisma laurel]

Oh if I had to guess it might be Crystallum's update

I never tested that one today

Tolian said he won't be able to do any updates for 2 weeks so I'd recommend just removing the Full Moons bundle for now and adding the ones you like besides Crystallum

[finite thunder]

I got you

Thanks

[prisma laurel]

Yeah I hope it works ^^

[keen wren]

Is there any updated wisdom on how to remedy the desync issues?

It only seems to be Tolian moons that have this issue where my 2 buddies (non server hosts) fall through the floor when entering the dungeon. We've never gotten Argent or Budapest to work which is a real shame because they are some of the coolest moons available.

We've also had issues with Zenit and Echelon (and Harloth once or twice) where only 1 friend has desynced weather/interior and falls through the abyss (or it just says the door is blocked). The other friend works fine. It's happened to either one of them individually so it's not specific to either of their hardware.

We can always tell when we're going to have desync issues because the other 2 players will show a different weather on the screen after routing than I do.

[prisma laurel]

It's likely Crystallum's update that did this

Nyx had it too

[keen wren]

Other Tolian moons have generally worked fine since the desync fix updates. But I will corroborate with the user above that the Nyx update messed with something causing all the planets to get shuffled around (if we route to any Tolian moon the other 2 players see a different Tolian moon on the screen than the one I actually routed to). We have of course reverted the Nyx update so those other planets can continue to be playable.

I can provide any info needed and/or my pack code. I'd really like to get this fixed because I'd love to be able to run Argent and Budapest and not worry about this issue happening randomly on any of the other moons. I've tried just about everything I can think of to fix over the last few weeks with no luck, so any suggestions would be helpful.

[prisma laurel]

But that was fixed cus I told him about it

[keen wren]

I don't have Crystallum

[prisma laurel]

🤷‍♀️

[keen wren]

Just for clarity / troubleshooting purposes, the Tolian moons I have installed are: Argent, Budapest, Celestria, Echelon, EchoReach, Harloth, Nimbus, Nyx, Spectralis, Zenit, Maritopia, CaltPrime and Sanguine.

Pack Code:
01904c4d-3373-0dbc-8f09-068bf64b361e

[faint topaz]

interesting

[faint topaz]

Does it happen on version 0.8.5 Nyx?

[keen wren]

I'm not sure. We reverted the Nyx update as soon as we noticed the emergence of the shuffling planets bug. So we never landed on Nyx after the update.

[faint topaz]

have you updated Nyx to the latest version?

[prisma laurel]

I did and Nyx was fixed

[faint topaz]

i think its worth checking out the latest version🧐

[keen wren]

Sorry, I was confused as to what you were asking. Yes it was on 0.8.5. We updated from 0.8.3 > 0.8.5 and then reverted back to 0.8.3. I never had 0.8.4 installed.

I thought you were asking if the interior desync happened on Nyx, which I never tested on that version. Nyx generally seems to work fine for us though. But all the planets getting shuffled was on 0.8.5

[prisma laurel]

I've not had any issues with 0.8.5

0.8.4 I did though

[keen wren]

I think it's worth saying that the Nyx planet shuffling thing is much less of a priority. That may just have to do with how the update affected the LLL config or the order LLL puts the planets and could probably be fixed with a fresh install of LLL.

The main concern is the interior and weather desync that only seems to be a problem on Argent, Budapest, Zenit mostly. I wonder what it is about those planets that seems to be causing it. Anyone here been able to get those moons to work with multiple friends?

[prisma laurel]

Another issue I haven't had, your pack might just be cursed

[signal sluice]

I've been getting map desync with Factory

I can go back on my live stream but I think it happened with these moons

[faint topaz]

i wonder if its because of Crystallum or Nyx.....

[signal sluice]

I think you're Mayan Temple map got the same issue

[faint topaz]

The problems started after Crystallum and Nyx were updated

[signal sluice]

i love Nyx it feels like something that should be in Final Fantasy or Mortal Kombat

[keen wren]

For me personally these maps have always had the desync issue. Many of them got fixed and stopped having the issue with updates but I've never gotten both of my buddies into the interior on Argent or Budapest. Nyx is actually one of the few that I don't think we've ever had desync on, along with Celestria and EchoReach.

But we're going to have a chance to play later today so I'll try disabling Nyx just to see if that changes anything.

I know @karmic marsh made some headway in figuring out what was causing desync in LLL broadly, so maybe they can be of use. Or maybe whoever ported the Wesley maps to LLL considering those don't seem to have the issue now either.

[faint topaz]

i think i'll fix Argent and Budapest

[sleek crater]

that was Wesley btw

I did initial ports to test the tool that was used but the released ones is homie

[gaunt topaz]

you wouldnt happen to be using CentralConfig, would you?

[keen wren]

Nope. Never used it

[keen wren]

Oh gotcha. I had heard someone else was working on it but I didn't know he took it back over

[faint topaz]

• 2.0.15 >>> 2.0.16 Updated EGypt

[signal sluice]

want me to give you a list of moons that desync

in my live stream

[signal sluice]

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnjoyableColorfulCattlePupper-GFH0D8pawiIjiPvU

there the one from AZURE

happened there going twice first I hosted it the second time we went there I wasn't hosting it

https://clips.twitch.tv/HeartlessCrypticGerbilSwiftRage-AFQx4fij65_1rjjL https://clips.twitch.tv/IntelligentViscousAnteaterBabyRage-rdYRUC472UVleant

hop this helps

Nyx was ok

[prisma laurel]

If I had to guess Crystallum is probably the root of it cus that one updated recently

[sleek crater]

Shoutout to the first LLL moon 🙏

Did Kay send you the wipes interior stuff by chance? 👀

[faint topaz]

in the process

[manic cobalt]

End of 2024: “(LLL) Adds 80 new moons to the game”

[faint topaz]

yes

[prisma laurel]

I'm gonna guess it stems from Crystallum somehow cus I never had desyncs with those other 2 moons before lol

But not certain

[faint topaz]

Yeah, that makes sense🧐

[faint topaz]

Of course

i wonder how much RAM that would consume😂

[sleek crater]

might not be a problem in the future 🙂

[prisma laurel]

Are you cooking up something to prevent moons and interiors from using up ram? ;o

I'm excited for this

[sleek crater]

theres some ideas that can be played with

[gaunt topaz]

we makin it outa the shadow realm with this one

[small sparrow]

wait this woul change my lack of moons in my modpack forever

I WOULDNT HAVE TO LIMIT MYSELF AT ALL

sorry my d key is not working well

[tacit pelican]

@faint topaz now that you are in charge of Egypt do you know how the progress on the custom tomb interior for it is looking? The community desperately needs another medieval type interior especially to pair with your moon pack.

[faint topaz]

in the process

[signal sluice]

so last night I've been to some moons with multiplayer and I did not get DEsync with Crystallu gone

[tacit pelican]

Awesome I'm looking forward to it!

[gaunt topaz]

question for ya, Tolian. ever consider adding custom scrap items to your moons? .3.

[faint topaz]

it would be nice

[faint topaz]

perfectly

sometimes i think desync is a curse😂

[signal sluice]

With your school moon can make it easy to find were to go

[faint topaz]

i think im gonna redesign this moon

[signal sluice]

I think you could do that when v55 releases and have a driveway to the school

[gaunt topaz]

then ill dm some ideas my fren. not to take priority, just to put it on the table

once i get on break

[bright sentinel]

I notice with hyperion station the radar map view of players, monsters, and scrap seems to be obscured, rendering it all but useless. Not sure what's going on there

[faint topaz]

interesting

[bright sentinel]

It looked as if the floor or something was rendering as a layer on top of the players

or maybe the ceiling or something else? im not sure

[faint topaz]

ceiling i think

[faint topaz]

• 0.8.5 >>> 0.8.6 Updated Crystallum
  • 0.9.3 >>> 0.9.4 Updated CaltPrime
  • 1.4.2 >>> 1.4.3 Updated Budapest
  • 0.9.0 >>> 0.9.5 Updated Celestria
  • 0.8.3 >>> 0.8.4 Updated Zenit
  • 0.5.2 >>> 0.5.3 Updated Harloth

[signal sluice]

hope the DEsync got fix

[prisma laurel]

It did

He implemented the same AudioReverbTrigger fixes he did for Nyx

[white crater]

I did a bit of research but couldn't find much about this: I got a normal functioning modpack but when I add tolian moons, the office interior (something about the elevator according to the CLI) seems to not work and I can't load into a save file. Is this a combatibility issue coming from your moons or is it from the office interior?

when disabling office, I don't get an error, but I can't even get into the main menu. As soon as I disable tolian moons again, it works just fine. Are there any known incombatibilities?

[prisma laurel]

Office is in the middle of getting a big update with the help of Batby so I would just remove it for now and wait

[faint topaz]

• 0.4.2 >>> 0.4.3 Updated Sanguine
  • 0.9.5 >>> 0.9.6 Updated Spectralis
  • 1.0.0 >>> 1.0.1 Updated PsychSanctum
  • 0.3.2 >>> 0.3.3 Updated Nimbus
  • 0.4.2 >>> 0.4.3 Updated Echelon
  • 0.4.2 >>> 0.4.3 Updated Argent
  • 0.8.4 >>> 0.8.5 Updated Zenit

[elder cargo]

help

e

non of the moons showing up in terminal

[faint topaz]

interesting

[elder cargo]

yeah so wahts the deal witht hat

that**

i am supposed to put the full file in plugins ryt?

[faint topaz]

all moon files must be located in BeplnEx/plugins/****

[elder cargo]

this is wrong?

[faint topaz]

it's weird that it doesn't work

[elder cargo]

:(

thanks for trying

[faint topaz]

are you using r2modman?

[elder cargo]

nope

i tired using

kept crashing for sum reasong

[ionic remnant]

I got that from lc office and lethalthings, did you try without it?

bro i just deadass dmed the mod to zac asking if he heard of it 😭

[faint topaz]

• 0.3.3. >>> 0.5.0 Updated Nimbus

[white crater]

thanks for the reply. Do you by chance know if wesleys moons and tolian moons cause complications when used together? even without office, I can't use those 2 together

[zenith jay]

I have both in my modpack and have no issues🤷

[faint topaz]

• 0.1.0 >>> 0.1.3 Updated Tomb

[hollow hornet]

I've got to play Tomb, v.0.1.0 so perhaps you already addressed these issues.
Interior feels cool, but perhaps this has to do with playing on Egypt, but it was real hard to find worthwhile loot. The traps are really simple until you get chased and they become really nasty. Perhaps too nasty as Egypt? has so many coil heads that I have to backwards jump the pits. Don't know if that's intended. Also because the rooms are too similar, I found myself lost a lot. Though this could be a lack of skill or the 30th coilhead chasing us as such I can't properly look around my surroundings.

Aka, interior too big, loot hard to find, coilheads real nasty, not enough room tile variety yet

[faint topaz]

Yes, i will rebalance the enemies, also i think i will add more tiles and traps

[silk minnow]

why is tomb a dependency for egypt now?

[faint topaz]

interior was created for egypt

[silk minnow]

ooooh ok

[glossy saddle]

on the tera space interior theres a lot of times where me and my friend just cant hear eachother anymore in certain spots and then suddenly we can

elevator desync

also i went down on the elevator

i hit the call button even tho it was already down here

it went back up

thne i hit call again and it wont come down

so im stuck

[vast seal]

there are empty tiles on the tomb interior

you just fall down the map if you walk into them

[ionic remnant]

toban

egpy doesn't have the ship scan node because uhh?

it should be called ScanNode (1)

[sleek crater]

I’n not dismissing your question here but just specifically pointing out that the name of gameobjects are not standardised in any way

[ionic remnant]

yeah, I'm going through the doc rn to hand check each dev, hopefully they keep consistency between their own moons

[sleek crater]

Why

[ionic remnant]

wdym why?

[sleek crater]

Why are you hoping for that

And hand checking each dev

[ionic remnant]

because it would be a pain in the ass if there is no consistency at all

[sleek crater]

Why

[hollow hornet]

I assume you're trying to get access to every ship's scan node for vanilla and modded? If so, looking for them by gameobject name should be the last resort idea

[ionic remnant]

What else is guaranteed to work?

[sleek crater]

Object.FindObjectsByType<ScanNodeProperties>()?

[ionic remnant]

That’s on everything no?

[hollow hornet]

It's guaranteed to find all scan nodes, you would just to filter the ship ones

[ionic remnant]

Unless, I check if it has the headerText “Main Entrance”

Which should work on maybe 90% of moons

[sleek crater]

that's the best your gonna get

tbh