Tolian's Moons and Interiors

[prisma laurel]

@upper nebula and @ruby gate specifically

got desynced a lot

[solemn sorrel]

question

[prisma laurel]

While me and Jacu didn't

[solemn sorrel]

did you also downgrade LLL because of the company issue while playing

[prisma laurel]

No

[calm bluff]

you didn't really answer my question of how many times it happened in new lobbies

[prisma laurel]

LLL 1.2.2 has never had that issue for me

[solemn sorrel]

then thats probably not the issue then

[calm bluff]

if this happened multiple times in one lobby then it's not really indicative of repeatability

[prisma laurel]

Almost everytime

like we made new lobbies maybe

2 or 3 times

[calm bluff]

gotcha

[solemn sorrel]

we didnt make a new lobby on our thing cause it was 1 am and we were tired anyways

[calm bluff]

and every time, the ones that had issues had late joined those lobbies?

[prisma laurel]

Yeah

[zenith jay]

How are you two setting your interior weights? @prisma laurel @solemn sorrel

[prisma laurel]

I have no custom interiors set for Harloth or Calt

[solemn sorrel]

considering the interiors we got were facility and mansion then like

i didnt mess with them at all

[prisma laurel]

I had SDM set for Spectralis though

[zenith jay]

But how are you setting ANY within your pack?

[solemn sorrel]

i didnt have any custom interiors set for harloth, did for crystallum tho but i still got fscility regardless

[prisma laurel]

Wdym?

[solemn sorrel]

oh uhhh with LLL

like you mean the chances right

[calm bluff]

would be incredibly helpful to determine

• whether this for sure only happens with late joins for you
• what exact steps need to be taken to cause it to happen every single time (not just maybe often, unless you test it tens of times)

[zenith jay]

Like are you setting any interiors using their own config and a different interior using the LLL config?

[solemn sorrel]

with LLL's yes

[prisma laurel]

Yeah I set them with LLL, my interior mods removed the options to set them in their own configs

But also as I said this wouldn't make sense to cause vanilla interior desyncs

I haven't touched the vanilla interiors

[calm bluff]

one thing I wonder, was this a big lobby or why were people late joining after a restart?

[solemn sorrel]

the only interior ive messed with outside of LLL was poolrooms cause there was some weird glitch where even if set to false it was using it (but its not even set to be on either moon)

[prisma laurel]

and this only happens with Tolian's moons

[prisma laurel]

Well in my case 1 person just didn't join til after a few games

The other joined around an hour into stream

[zenith jay]

I only set interiors through LLL, even with interior mods that have their own configs. With interiors that have their own I set the weight to 0 and leave the list blank. I haven't had any desync issues in v50 yet

I didn't mean to reply to you specifically sorry 🙃

[calm bluff]

see this is where it would be very helpful if you could document the series of events, at least if you can't test to determine if it's repeatable

[solemn sorrel]

was wondering lmao

ur good

[calm bluff]

it's way too hard to determine the cause of an issue like this if we're trying to piece together what happened when from random pieces of information

[solemn sorrel]

i sent my logs to LLL's thread but sent links here earlier if that could help with my end at least

mine and my friends

two sets even one from on harloth and then one when we ended on crystallum

and my mod pack code too

[calm bluff]

it might, but I'm more concerned about the sequence of lobbies being opened, players joining, routings, etc, if this issue is supposedly related to those things

[zenith jay]

But if the weights for something else is different between host and client then that can mess all sorts of things up, at least in my experience in v49

[calm bluff]

without knowing the order, which players were affected at each point, etc, it's hard to guess how to reproduce this

[prisma laurel]

We were all using the same mod pack

They imported my pack with my configs

So that wouldn't make sense

[calm bluff]

I'm not really looking to spend a three day stint trying to reproduce this, but if I'm sure I can reproduce it I'm willing to look for the cause

[zenith jay]

I've had it happen before. I've even had my buddy download my pack fresh and somehow the configs got messed up when downloading

Thunderstore client is kinda jank sometimes

[prisma laurel]

Why are they messing up only with Tolian's then?

Makes 0 sense

[solemn sorrel]

i can recall what i did at least, and also we were all using the same pack with my configs

basically open lobby, everyone join, start, do a few moons, play the game basically, everything's fine, go to company 2nd time, harloth, walk in, me in facility them in mansion, leave, go to crystallum, same issue, end game

[calm bluff]

oh, it was after company? is that with LLL 1.2.2 or whatever one it was that has that error when routing to company?

[prisma laurel]

For my group we went to CaltPrime the first time after first quota

and tumbleweed was desynced

[solemn sorrel]

i used 1.2.1 cause of that glitch

[calm bluff]

see this is the kind of info I'm looking for

hmm

[solemn sorrel]

i went back a version and that might be the culprit

but lun is saying they had 1.2.2

[calm bluff]

I wonder if it could still be related to the company if it happened after that for the both of you

[prisma laurel]

Then we played Rosie's moons for a while they were fine

[solemn sorrel]

and everything was fine other than their issue

[prisma laurel]

My other friend joined

we went to Harloth

they got desynced on Harloth, noted before landing the monitor on the ship said Spectralis

[solemn sorrel]

late joining is definitely the culprit there i'd think

[prisma laurel]

I don't think so tbh

[solemn sorrel]

happened prior to the LLL update with my friend who got disconnected and joined back

he saw hospital we saw castle

[prisma laurel]

Considering this only happened with Tolian's

[solemn sorrel]

so you tried late joining again on another moon

[prisma laurel]

If it happened elsewhere I would pin it to late joining but

[digital bluff]

I dont think so, that company bug was just a broken terminal node after batby reimplemented locked planets if im correct, which terminal formatter mightve fixed on accident

[calm bluff]

between this friend joining and going to the desynced moon, did you perhaps visit the company again?

[prisma laurel]

We went there a few times to sell quota

[solemn sorrel]

oh so it wasn't immediately after they joined

[prisma laurel]

But we also did the same tonight with no Tolian moons installed

Not 1 desync

[solemn sorrel]

that yall went to harloth

you played the game a bit then went to harloth with the late joined friend

if so then def not late joining then

[prisma laurel]

Yeah if it was late joining this issue would reproduce on moons that aren't Tolian's

But it doesn't

[calm bluff]

this only happened during the one stream lunxara?

well, if could definitely be a combination of issues

I feel like that's likely given that it's not happening to all clients

[prisma laurel]

It wasn't the first time we had desyncs on Tolian's moons but yeah

[calm bluff]

by which you mean it has happened before the same way?

[prisma laurel]

Now Batby told Tolian before it was cus he was including the facility in his moons

But he fixed that

So why does it still happen?

[solemn sorrel]

i feel like maybe the update that fixed desyncs didnt actually fix em..... (obvious ik) but like thinking about that

cause apparently the issue was supposedly that tolian packed the entire facility with his moons

and he removed them to supposedly fix desyncs but now they're still happening

[prisma laurel]

Yeah he removed it from them though

[solemn sorrel]

so its hmm

[prisma laurel]

I feel like he just has something set up incorrectly

[solemn sorrel]

maybe its somn else hes still got in there??? yeah

[calm bluff]

that may be, it's very easy to do so

[prisma laurel]

Probably yeah

I think in our case Spectralis was the culprit, cus why would Harloth and CaltPrime when people desync say Spectralis on route?

[calm bluff]

but I think it would be good if you can experiment a little to see exactly how early/easily you can get this to happen consistently

[digital bluff]

^^

[calm bluff]

I don't know if someone else is going to beat me to it, but I only want to spend time on this if I'm sure I can get it to happen on my machine

I got stuff to finally finish working on for OpenBodyCams after all, I've gotten distracted by other peoples' bugs enough already

[solemn sorrel]

i'll have to leave that to lun as much as i wanna help get that fixed, friends dont have time to help test cause busy and i also dont have time cause busy (hence why we play once a week)

[prisma laurel]

I could send you my pack if you wanna try and test it

Like I said the earliest I had it happen was on 2nd quota going to CaltPrime

[calm bluff]

that's not enough for me at the moment, though I'm sure that would be the place to start if it's proven consistent

if I know the exact steps to take so that I don't have to restart two LAN instances all day for two days I'm totally down lol

my PC is already acting unstable enough

[prisma laurel]

Well I wish I knew how to give you consistent steps tbh, the first time my friend was desynced we didn't even know til he said he couldn't use a fire exit and on the monitor he was in the void for me

[digital bluff]

Probably best to watch back the footage since you have streamed it, good part of debugging on stream pfft

[prisma laurel]

I mean the only concrete info I got

was both Debby and tumbleweed saying the monitor said Spectralis later on before we landed on Harloth and CaltPrime

and then they got Mansion layout on both moons

Idk what else to give tbh

We had this same problem with Nimbus before too, 2 people would get everything properly, 2 would be desynced

In a lobby of 4

But this was before Tolian fixed the moons including Facility

[digital bluff]

Always 2 people?

[prisma laurel]

Yes in a lobby of 4

Me and the first person that joins are usually fine

the 2 that join after desync

[digital bluff]

Interesting

[calm bluff]

like I said, if you are able to try to recreate the steps that you think caused the issue in the first place, then we can find out if it happens consistently

[prisma laurel]

I mean I would say them being desynced on repeat lands to the same planet is pretty bad

In the same way too

[calm bluff]

I'm not asking about whether it's bad though

what I'd like is something like

1. start lobby
2. go to experimentation
3. have friend join
4. route to big bad buggy moon
5. look it's desynced!

if steps that can be written like that cause the issue to happen consistently, than the issue will take mere hours of my time to fix rather than days

[prisma laurel]

Yeah what I can say is looking back at the vod

That first time someone desynced they joined right after we did first Quota on Eve and went to the Company

[calm bluff]

the point is, if it's not something that you can tell me how to cause, you are asking me to spend hundreds of attempts shooting in the dark trying to hit some bug while you hold all the information that makes it possible to reproduce it

[prisma laurel]

I had routed to CaltPrime before they even joined

So we made a lobby, went to Eve. Did a whole quota. Sold at the Company, I routed to CaltPrime, and the person who then joined which was tumbleweed was desynced

However the interesting thing is, we played on some of Rosie's moons for a while after that. Later on Debby joined we went to Harloth and only Debby was desynced

before landing though Debby stated they saw Spectralis

We then updated CaltPrime and tried going there and before landing

tumbleweed saw Spectralis

[calm bluff]

did you recreate the lobby between tumbleweed being desynced and Debby?

[prisma laurel]

I did once yeah, to try and help resolve tumbleweed's desyncs

[calm bluff]

then it definitely seems like it would be worth testing whether joining after one day causes the issue

if that causes it I can try to look at what's happening

[prisma laurel]

That very well seems to be the case, however idk why this is affecting Tolian's moons though

[calm bluff]

that could be caused by any number of things really

[prisma laurel]

and why it picks Spectralis for the desynced person is even stranger

[calm bluff]

doesn't really matter as long as it can be reproduced

[prisma laurel]

True

Well I could send my pack and you could definitely test playing a day and then having someone else join cus that should do it, if not then doing a full quota should likely reproduce it

018f294d-f96f-d07e-b7c6-39caaf80b55b I readded the 3 Tolian moons we used

[calm bluff]

someone else is definitely welcome to give that a try and report back :P

I have to work on getting my upgrade into the game

[prisma laurel]

Yeah I could likely do it later but I need to get some sleep rn 😆

[prisma laurel]

Don't blame you

[calm bluff]

yeah, sounds good

[olive dagger]

👀

what happened?

[prisma laurel]

Lmao

If it's WeatherTweaks desyncing the moons iswtg Mrov

XD

[olive dagger]

it shouldn't be 😭

[prisma laurel]

I would be like

[olive dagger]

that's why i'm here

[prisma laurel]

"How?"

XD

[olive dagger]

me rn

[calm bluff]

the final weather value is actually synchronized by your mod though, right?

seems very suspicious for this to also cause weather desync

[olive dagger]

i'm prefixing the methods for selecting weather on all clients

the host picks the weather and sends it to clients, which apply the received data

so something must go super bad that it's not syncing correctly

[calm bluff]

what happens if the weather isn't synced when those methods are called?

as in, the rpc message hasn't been received

[olive dagger]

then the previous data set is still active

[calm bluff]

hmm

[olive dagger]

because nothing gets changed

[calm bluff]

is there a guarantee that under normal circumstances the message will always be received before the client tries to set the weather?

or do you set it after the fact if it's received after that?

[olive dagger]

so i'm completely skipping the method on client, which means the data from previous round is still set

and after host sets everything up on their end they send the values to clients, which set it the same way

[calm bluff]

oh, I guess I misinterpreted, I thought you cached the value from the server until that method ran

that makes sense

[olive dagger]

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherTweaks/blob/2df41c5a8d5fcbe1c18711f5620e07701267ccd9/WeatherTweaks/Patches/SetPlanetsWeather.cs#L46

[calm bluff]

very odd that it desynced then indeed

[olive dagger]

yeah 😭

[calm bluff]

wait, what prevents the client from polling that "WeatherTweaks" flag before it's set by the host?

unlikely that that's related but it looks suspicious to me

[olive dagger]

the lobby one?

GameNetworkManager.Instance.currentLobby?.GetData("WeatherTweaks") != null

if you're talking about this, it's a lobby data tag that clients receive before they start connecting to the lobby iirc

so there's no way that they connect to the steam lobby and they don't have the access to that

[calm bluff]

hmm, in that case I suppose if SetPlanetsWeather is always called before any clients join, it's fine

[olive dagger]

I'm using LethalNetworkVariable (https://xilophor.github.io/lethal-network-api-docs/variables/usage), which allows me to set the data whenever, and when clients receive the change the event is ran (and i'm setting the weathers on their end)

also when any player joins the data is fetched on their joining, running the same thing

so i don't need to send events/rpcs both ways, it's done automatically 😅

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherTweaks/blob/a0992b1e1b289eaab1e31c9c0223ddb75a423e49/WeatherTweaks/Networking.cs#L12-L16

[calm bluff]

I thought that GameNetworkManager was a vanilla thing

so I'm not exactly sure how that relates to the network API

[olive dagger]

my lack of knowledge with rpcs shows 😭

[calm bluff]

anyway, as long as that data is set before clients join and synced to them before that method is called, I suppose it's fine

[olive dagger]

yeah

[calm bluff]

I'd have to look at where it's called to know but I'm gonna assume you checked that lol

it just looks like a weird pattern to me

[olive dagger]

yeah, no weather calculation is done on any client

so the only thing breaking the sync is the networking itself

[calm bluff]

hopefully it's not an issue with the API then

[olive dagger]

it would be happening more if it was the API error 🥲

i think in this case something just messed up somehow

we'll see when they follow up

[prisma laurel]

I mean if LethalNetworkAPI does ever cause issues you can thankfully integrate Eba's Netcode Patcher into the mod probably

[olive dagger]

it's not

we'll see

[prisma laurel]

👍

[calm bluff]

surely

[olive dagger]

🥹

[west pivot]

wait i use the interiors individual configs instead of LLL's, does that mean my lobbies will get desync?

[zenith jay]

Not sure honestly, I just do it that way to be safe. I was suggesting it as a possible reason for the issue some people were having

[lethal elm]

ok so Budapest got fixed when entering the moon but the game crashes when you die. (happens every single time)

[glass abyss]

@faint topaz ok yeah, lunxara was right, we routed to maritopia with no latejoiners, one sees echoreach

tell me if you need any additional info

scratch that, the dude that has a desync had a bug when joining with "player #3 disconnected"

restarted the lobby, no joining bug, 3/4 see nyx, 4th sees nimbus

rerouted to solace (starlancer's moon) and we all see it

aquatis (sfdesat's moon) is also 4/4

rerouted to nyx again, 3/4 see nyx/ 4th sees nimbus

[flat nexus]

share your configs so they are all the same and make sure the same moons are installed

[glass abyss]

yeah its the same, synced with profile codes

[flat nexus]

send your LLL config to the guy that desynced

[glass abyss]

aight

gonna also remake the save just in case

[glass abyss]

okay that worked i think

so far everyone sees the same planet

[bright sentinel]

It's concerning that sharing the code wouldn't share the same config if that truly was the issue. I'd be interested to know how the configs were different

[west pivot]

wait so all these desyncs are just cuz these people forgot to refresh the config? lol

[glass abyss]

no

they def had the same config

same code same profile

[west pivot]

how it work now then? and not before?

[glass abyss]

i have no idea, it might've been just a coincidence

[flat nexus]

idk what exactly happens, but i remember people saying a while back that codes aren't always reliable with configs

but that was very long ago, so idk

[glass abyss]

i do tweak the configs fairly often but everyone gets the same profile code before every game

[west pivot]

yea pretty sure diversitys config was different for my friend one time even tho i sent him code

[glass abyss]

still weird that its the same people and the same issues with latejoin before that start happening. and that rosies' and starlancer are unnafected

and aquatis

actual random event

[bright sentinel]

Could it be like: you share the profile code, everyone launches the game, something changes in the LLL config but not the same way for everyone, you then share your config, and it works because whatever edge case led to the LLL config changing already happened

Spurned by a mod update or some interaction with the config for another mod like interiors, moons, or lethal quantities?

[glass abyss]

not using lq

its weird that its consistent to a degree, like

[bright sentinel]

And bizarre only for Tolian moons

[glass abyss]

well not only tolian

had it happen on orion

[bright sentinel]

🤔

[glass abyss]

no desyncs but seeing diff weathers now

cool stuff..

[sullen geyser]

our groop sees different interior and only on tolian moons

[glass abyss]

fell through the map on crystallium

gonna send a vid later

[sullen geyser]

that's not supposed to happen XD we just explored black mesa on nimbus, as for some reason the interiors were working there, but then we got deported into oblivion. Not sure tho if this is Nimbus issue or Balck Mesa interior

[faint topaz]

interesting

[sullen geyser]

And for some reason all except me (host) see fire exit near the ship, while landing on your moons:

this time it was extra small

[faint topaz]

I'll fix it

[sullen geyser]

or so they tell me

[glass abyss]

eclipsed on crystallum is easily a run ender

and the racist weather tweaks made it a 3x in a row

[faint topaz]

Must be desynchronisation

[faint topaz]

I'll get to fixing everything after I figure out why desynch

I have an idea

The problems started when I added LLL 1.2.2 to my project

[glass abyss]

also idk if its 096's issue but the navmesh is weird??

[faint topaz]

I'll fix it

[glass abyss]

out here making full adventure maps damn

[faint topaz]

For now I'll wait for the new LLL to come out, though maybe solutions will be found sooner....

[primal oracle]

that would be because hes on the rock

Enemies dont have a great time on anything that isnt the ground

[zenith jay]

Clients in my game could also see them but not me (the host). They could also see it in orbit, I'm honestly not so sure it's Tolian's fault

[glass abyss]

also the main entrance on crystallum could use a bit more illumination 👀

[sullen geyser]

i just confirmed that in my game they also see it (and of course me not) so yea, this can be caused by something entirely else

[zenith jay]

It seemed to follow us whereever we went, no matter the moon lol

[glass abyss]

o

[faint topaz]

I see echoreach

I take it it's fog?

[glass abyss]

yea

yeaaaa

cant wait for mrov to kill fog

or did he kill fog already

also damn, the average distance from ship to entrance makes it pretty hartd to get the apparatice with meltdown

[faint topaz]

I'll be redesigning EchoReach in the future

[faint topaz]

or Celestria

[glass abyss]

nvm im too good

[glass abyss]

there was also a dog stuck inside a building of which im gonna send you a clip later

have this for now

also all my friends hate maritopia

😭

[viral hawk]

I hope you don't though..

maritopia is PEAK

[faint topaz]

It happens, some people like one thing and some people like another

[glass abyss]

i love maritopia

but they just fall to death most of the time lol

honestly the traversal from the second building to the main entrance could be a bit more laid out tbh

but overall great map

[faint topaz]

||mm||

[west pivot]

this for Calt?

[faint topaz]

||no||

[west pivot]

oooo

||prob a moon we havent seen yet then||

||cuz it dont seem to fit your other moons||

[faint topaz]

||because it's an interior mod😉 ||

[gaunt topaz]

oh dear

[west pivot]

||yea i mean interior for a moon of yours we havent seen||

[gaunt topaz]

just gonna say this. Tolian, get feedback from as many ||interior|| makers as you can before release. from what i understand, ||interiors are way harder than moons in terms of development difficulty.||

[faint topaz]

definitely

[floral wing]

AHHH I cant wait the interior looks amazing so far

[prisma laurel]

@calm bluff got the map desync again, noone late joined this time

We did a game on Summit, went to Spectralis and 3 people fell through the map

[calm bluff]

was that all the clients in the game?

[proper fable]

What summit

[ruby gate]

there were 5 clients

[prisma laurel]

Yeah 5 of us, 2 of us got in fine the other 3 fell into the void

[proper fable]

Is summit a moon

[prisma laurel]

I'm gonna take Spectralis out of the pack

I think it's causing all the issues in my case

[digital bluff]

Yeah its mine

[proper fable]

I don’t see it

[digital bluff]

& apparently all people joined in the same round, no late joins at all
So I have no idea

[digital bluff]

It doesnt have its own standalone, its in my RosiesMoons mod bundle

[proper fable]

Oh

[proper fable]

I don’t see any photos on the descriptions or a description for the moon

[digital bluff]

Yeah, the pack is in beta rn, so I didnt put any

[proper fable]

Could you send some screenshots, I’m not on my pc right now.

[faint topaz]

Can I get the modpack_code for testing?

[prisma laurel]

018f2c37-f516-fe70-3416-a7eac036cbf1

[digital bluff]

@faint topaz The issue seems isolated to Spectralis being installed. When uninstalled it seems as the desync issue doesnt occur

Id say double check the scene, extendedlevel & selectablelevel

make sure it all lines up

[faint topaz]

I take it you've done some testing?

[digital bluff]

Nah, just watching Lunx's stream

They havent had a desync since removing Spectralis

[faint topaz]

I'll definitely check it out when I have time

[digital bluff]

Alrighty

[faint topaz]

I wonder what if they put Crystallum instead of Spectralis?

[digital bluff]

Not sure, may cause a similar issue

Also you can use the AssetBundles configure section to check if you still somehow included the Facility interior

[faint topaz]

If the problem does not occur, it will be clear that the problem is in Spectralis

[digital bluff]

Yeah

[prisma laurel]

I would say also check Crystallum too, cus in The Jester's pack he said they fell through the void on Crystallum but on Harloth and Calt the interiors desynced

[digital bluff]

Alrighty

Tolian, do you use a preset moon to make all your moons?

Like copy the scene and such, or do you just make them from scratch each

[faint topaz]

Yeah, I have a special prefab

[digital bluff]

Hmmm

not entirely sure then

all the stuff should be basically the same functionality-wise

[faint topaz]

As I understood after removing Spectralis,Crystallum desinsronization disappeared?

[digital bluff]

Seems like it

[fast nexus]

are these moons broken rn

[west pivot]

apparently spectralis

[prisma laurel]

Spectralis and Crystallum, maybe some others

[west pivot]

have u tested lgu with lll since it updated?

it updaed again

[fast nexus]

was playin fine on azure and crystallum yesterday until i went to nimbus and my friend flew into the void immediately

then every subsequent tolian moon had desynced interiors

lol

[prisma laurel]

It works fine now

[west pivot]

niiiiice

[digital bluff]

Yeah, remove the moons that throw your friends into the void and try again

Seems like those ones cause the issues with all of them

No clue why

[fast nexus]

will try later

[prisma laurel]

Something in the asset bundles I feel like, the moons that do this all have much larger unloaded assets

[digital bluff]

Very much likely is, just what would be in those asset bundles is the question

It could be much of anything

[prisma laurel]

I think something is still being included that shouldn't be

Idk

[digital bluff]

Yeah

[prisma laurel]

@sleek crater You got any idea what it could be?

[sleek crater]

is this the same issue as the last two times

[digital bluff]

Same symptoms it seems, for some reason though it seems like if one of tolians broken moon is included in the pack all the other moons of Tolian's break as well

[prisma laurel]

Yeah what Rosie said

So in our case the issue was Spectralis, going to Spectralis caused 3 players to void drop, and those same players if going to Harloth or CaltPrime before landing would see Spectralis on the ship monitor and then be given the Mansion layout

[sleek crater]

not sure

i haven't looked

[digital bluff]

Genuinely not sure why 1 moon would be affecting x amount of other ones either

[prisma laurel]

I don't either, cus this doesn't happen with your moons or Starlancer's moons

[sleek crater]

again i haven't looked so i really dont know but the general answer to that general question would be that their sharing the same problematic thing

[prisma laurel]

Something in the asset bundle must be desyncing stuff somehow

[prisma laurel]

This too

[digital bluff]

Got it

Really boils down to what kind of problematic thing that would be in those asset bundles, which I dont think tolian has checked yet

We'll see what might be the issue probably soon

[prisma laurel]

Well he did fix them including the Facility Dungeon per your suggestion, so maybe he's including something else he shouldn't?

[sleek crater]

dunno

[digital bluff]

Right now I dont see any need for debugging since we still would need the data from Tolians side

[prisma laurel]

Yeah I agree

[digital bluff]

Probably best to give the issue a rest for now until more things are figured out

[prisma laurel]

Which Tolian moons did you have installed? Idk why I thought I remembered you saying Crystallum was the one that void dropped you but it seems I was wrong

[faint topaz]

I tested yesterday with @zenith jay and we had no desynchronization

[prisma laurel]

With my pack? 🤔 Maybe it's cus it was just the 2 of you

In my group I know the first person who joined entered SDM fine with me, the other 3 got void dropped

[faint topaz]

Today we're going to test it on your modpack

[prisma laurel]

But they all joined the lobby before we ever landed the ship anywhere

[prisma laurel]

👍

I recommend making sure you have at least 3 or 4 people

[faint topaz]

Definitely

[faint topaz]

We used 4 different interiors

[prisma laurel]

Yeah for whatever reason in my case I think whatever is happening with Spectralis caused them to see Mansion on CaltPrime and Harloth, since Spectralis has the weights set opposite and they saw Spectralis on the monitor before landing, no idea why actually going to Spectralis caused 3 people to void drop though that makes the whole situation stranger

And that was after freshly readding all 3 moons incase something got screwy with the LLL config before

Cus before stream today I had regened my LLL config and had the moons not in the pack at the start, I added them later to test if we could reproduce issues and the second we went to Spectralis bam 3 people got sent to the shadow realm

[faint topaz]

Maybe I just unloaded the moon badly

[prisma laurel]

It's hard to say what could cause it, like why is the moon registering on the monitor for players who desync?

It's strange

Is it somehow sharing an asset that makes it register?

[faint topaz]

Yeah, it's definitely weird

[faint topaz]

Almost all moons have their own assets

||There is for example PaychSanctum which uses trees with Argent||

||Or CaltPrime which uses the Terrain texture with EchoReach||

[prisma laurel]

Yeah but in this case they couldn't have caused issues since they weren't included

Btw I saw someone mention earlier Nimbus caused the same issue Spectralis did for us when they played with a friend, they went there with a friend and their friend got void dropped and died instantly

[faint topaz]

I'll see what today's tests show

[prisma laurel]

Yeah hopefully you can figure out what's going on

[glass abyss]

baboon hawks too advanced for calt prime

this door is confusing lol (same texture as fire exit to the other side of it)

map looks amazing

dog stuck

[faint topaz]

definitely

[glass abyss]

maybe like a little light idk

other than that holy hell the map looks immaculate

[solemn sorrel]

crystallum, harloth, azure and zenit

[gaunt topaz]

@faint topaz further testing is required... but you might not be the main cause of the desyncs, and a patch may be releasing soon to stitch it up

[prisma laurel]

Btw for those experiencing desyncs with Tolian's moons if you use ReservedItemSlots remove it for now

it's the cause

[fast nexus]

thats odd because i didnt have reserved slots at all last time i played

[prisma laurel]

Well removing it fixed it for our group

[prisma laurel]

Are you using another mod known to cause desyncs such as LateCompany?

I will say we also removed 2 other mods from the pack

NiceChat

and BetterItemScan

[fast nexus]

would shiplobby cause a similar issue

[prisma laurel]

Yes

You should use LobbyControl

[fast nexus]

ok

are there any other mods known to cause desyncing

[prisma laurel]

Can you post your mod list?

[fast nexus]

o just realized what u meant

will post later

[prisma laurel]

Are you using ReservedItemSlots at all? That's the culprit that was desyncing my group

[prisma laurel]

In my pack good ol ReservedItemSlots ended up being the culprit desyncing everything, that mod likes to cause a lot of issues unfortunately

[solemn sorrel]

i see

is there any mention of a fix, i assume there is but

[prisma laurel]

flip is gonna look into it over the weekend he said

It's the issue that happened with furniture desyncing before reocurring partially, except ship furniture doesn't desync lol

[solemn sorrel]

such a weird combination to make a desync issue

[prisma laurel]

Basically what causes clients to desync

[solemn sorrel]

thats like the time i installed a mod into my mc modpack and it turned the entire world blue

[prisma laurel]

If someone picks a reserved item up before someone else joins the lobby

I just went back to using extended Hotbarplus

Til a fix happens

[prisma laurel]

Idk why Rosie and Starlancer's moons don't break somehow from the desyncing stuff, I guess their mods just have something unique setup that avoids it but yeah

[faint topaz]

Interesting

[calm bluff]

huh, wonder how it was doing that without any obvious exceptions

[faint topaz]

Could it be because of LethalToolbox?

[calm bluff]

does lethal toolbox do anything with moon or dungeon selection? I wouldn't have thought it would be related

[faint topaz]

Starlancer and Rosie are using it

[faint topaz]

I'm also sure it shouldn't cause a problem, but that's just a guess

It's all so weird…..

[calm bluff]

yeah

hopefully whatever commit is made to fix the issue is small enough to where I can tell what happened lol

I'm very curious

[glass abyss]

No

[wind otter]

is LLL fixed yet? or still need to run 1.2.1?

[digital bluff]

1.2.2 works with terminal formatter unless the routing issue isnt the one you are talking about

But if you wish you can use 1.2.1, i dont think there is too much difference player-wise

[tardy rain]

are there any other issues with 1.2.2 besides routing?

[digital bluff]

Not that ive seen

[tardy rain]

then i can safely use 1.2.2 with terminal formatter?

[digital bluff]

Yep

The routing issue was just an oversight

[plucky apex]

Anyone know why Budapest make crash on loading? I have only issues with this moon...

[prisma laurel]

Any other mods that are known to cause desyncing problems? IE LateCompany or ShipLobby?

[glass abyss]

no

[prisma laurel]

I'll state we took a few other mods out too but idk if it was them

BetterItemScan, NiceChat, and EnhancedSpectator

I think NiceChat was causing a ton of issues cus I kept getting networking spikes when people joined the lobby

[faint topaz]

I'll fix it

[prisma laurel]

If you do use Nicechat it could be that, I noticed when a lot of people joined my lobby it caused networking spikes cus I think it conflicts with MoreCompany

[gaunt topaz]

https://i.gyazo.com/93be5ad59d1a566a9f6765c986f983c4.png opened a door. went thru said door. was sent here

[prisma laurel]

What moon?

[gaunt topaz]

on Nimbus

[prisma laurel]

Lol

[gaunt topaz]

yea, forgot to mention that part XD

[prisma laurel]

Nimbus with the void bugs again

[gaunt topaz]

was playin solo as well

[prisma laurel]

Nimbus needs a lot of love

[gaunt topaz]

ye

[proper fable]

Happened to a lot of people using my modpack

[fast nexus]

on what moons

[prisma laurel]

I found ReservedItems was desyncing the moons in my pack, and maybe also NiceChat cus it was conflicting with MoreCompany

[faint topaz]

I'll fix it

[gaunt topaz]

[prisma laurel]

Btw I asked Starlancer if he could help you Optimize your scene bundles too cus I noticed some of them are quite big, so you may get more help from him later c;

[prisma laurel]

So I will say mods I removed from my pack on top of ReservedItems lemme know if you have any of these. NiceChat, BetterItemScan, and EnhancedSpectator

[glass abyss]

I have nicechat but I highly doubt it's related in anyway, you should probably ask other people that have reported this issue what they're running, but I'm gonna try disabling it regardless and see if anything changes

[prisma laurel]

I would try, NiceChat for some reason in a big lobby was causing me networking spikes

and my streams would die

I think it was either breaking with MoreCompany cus MoreCompany touches chat, or LLL 1.2.2 somehow

[prisma laurel]

Well I'm not really too sure of many mods that could cause desyncs besides ReservedItems and LC_API and stuff like that

[glass abyss]

it might be an issue with lll itself given its not something new, but honestly i could only point at that the only people that had desyncs in my lobbies are the ones with low end pcs/network issues

[prisma laurel]

NiceChat I removed and replaced with HideChat due to networking issues

[glass abyss]

and its strangely consistent on some moons and not the others

[prisma laurel]

Yeah it was for my group too, and then we nuked a few mods that caused desyncs and other problems and it was fixed

[glass abyss]

hidechat isnt an option for me with lethal phones haha

[prisma laurel]

I mean wouldn't the numbers still popup? HideChat just makes it so when it's inactive it goes fully transparent

[glass abyss]

youd probably need to open chat first

bonus actions taken and sometimes calling is a matter of life and death

[faint topaz]

Everyone who has desynchronization happened, please throw the logs of the host and those who have desynchronization

[west pivot]

^^^

[fast nexus]

I’ll post them if it happens again today

[west pivot]

i dont think so, maybe crystallum and echo really cheap like 100 credits tho

and echelon i think its price is good for its loot

cuz crystallum/echo are like 14-21 loot, and echelon is 17-24 loot

thats a lot for free moons i feel

[glass abyss]

echo should be a mid tier i think

and yeah i agree that there are already a ton of your free moons

[twilit jay]

Yeah I agree with it now thinking about it-

[faint topaz]

• 0.1.8 >>> 0.1.9 Updated Nimbus

[proper fable]

dose that fix the void issue

[faint topaz]

theoretically possible since I fixed the colliders and stuff

[proper fable]

I'm going to test it rn

[proper fable]

the insides fixed but right next to the ship there is just nothing and you can fall into the void

@faint topaz

[faint topaz]

Got it. I'll fix it

[proper fable]

k

[prisma laurel]

The increased Brightness is way nicer though

[faint topaz]

• 0.3.3 >>> 0.3.4 Updated Harloth

[prisma laurel]

Finally just added the aio pack to my mod pack, it's nicer than having like 6 seperate moons in the list 😂

[gaunt topaz]

the better to test em with, too

[fast nexus]

should prolly fix the mismatching names of these planets in the pics https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Tolian/Azure/ https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Tolian/Spectralis/

assuming azure is meant to be azura since its a green planet

and spectrails is just a misspelling i assume

same with this one https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Tolian/Zenit/

[naive lake]

There's also this lol

EchoRich

[fast nexus]

lol

wait i just realized how silly the maritopia moon pic is

how are the buildings visibile from space..

wait like half of these moon pics dont make any sense

lol

[digital bluff]

I mean, it does give a better idea of whats on the moon

[fast nexus]

true

some of these pics could be a bit better tho

[gaunt topaz]

the pic designs are just fine. it's just spelling that would need improvement

[high sierra]

You don't want to see Wesley or sfDesat moon images 😛

[gaunt topaz]

got the Wesley versions covered

[faint topaz]

I'll fix it today😅

[glass abyss]

where do i even go on celestria

ok i found the main on 9pm

nice

also uhhh

sun

and i had 2 random interact propts while runing aroun

[faint topaz]

• 0.3.3 >>> 0.3.5 Updated Azure
• 0.2.4 >>> 0.2.5 Updated Spectralis
• 0.4.3 >>> 0.4.4 Updated Zenit

[faint topaz]

interesting

[west pivot]

well its a moon, moons are a lot smaller than planets so its not that crazy

[fast nexus]

nice

I would check all the pages/descriptions for spelling and grammatical if I were u tho

it seems like there’s quite a few

[west pivot]

erm actually its you, not u

[fast nexus]

how bad can they be

honestly they aren’t that bad after checking

they have consistency which is nice

[glass abyss]

argent is soooooo cool

got scared by the ambience inside two times already

they chillin

bees on psych really are a gamble

ayo

i love how i can tell when landing on a moon i dont know the creator of if its yours if it has some sort of objects to help reach the ship haha

[high sierra]

Wish he did that for all the moons lol
We went to Harloth and Nyx and had to do some devious trickery to get two-handed items on board

Unless he already patched that

[glass abyss]

yeah i rember reporting this on harloth

havent been there since though...

[faint topaz]

fixed it

[glass abyss]

o

psych has two suns??

[high sierra]

Tattooine moment

[faint topaz]

xd

definitely

[glass abyss]

we dont question the intended design choice

[high sierra]

It's a ✨ feature ✨

[faint topaz]

||?||

[prisma laurel]

;o

[west pivot]

sheesh how u make the game look so good

[faint topaz]

it's in the editor

[west pivot]

ah right

[proper fable]

Sorry to ask but do you know when you will have nimbus fixed. I want to add it to my modpack but cannot since it’s broken.

[faint topaz]

@proper fable this?

[proper fable]

Yeah

There’s just a void right next to the ship

[faint topaz]

Yeah, I'll fix it when I have time today

[faint topaz]

||?||

[void stag]

is this an LC moon or what

[west pivot]

thats not game breaking, u just gotta be careful around the ship is all

[faint topaz]

yes

[void stag]

shame that it won't look as good in-game

[proper fable]

yeah it is

[west pivot]

just as dangerous as other modded moons that have lava or water that insta kill you if u fall into it

imo

doesnt mean the moon is broken

[west pivot]

Unreal engine 5 lethal be like

[proper fable]

yeah but its not the same, lava or water is meant for the map a void is not part of the game

[west pivot]

maybe the moon is meant to have a floating island on it above pink toxic sludge that will kill u lol idk

[prisma laurel]

New moon looking so pretty 🥺

[fast nexus]

path on crystallum from ship to entrances could be better lit

especially at main entrance itself

[solemn sorrel]

bro is just posting images from fallout4 rn /j

should clarify incase someone doesnt know /j means im joking

[faint topaz]

• 0.1.9 >>> 0.2.0 Updated Nimbus

[proper fable]

Dose this fix the void thing

[faint topaz]

It would be nice if you could check it out

[proper fable]

Ok, I was just asking because I’m not on my computer right now and did not know if it was just visual related.

[faint topaz]

Well, I fixed what was in the video😅

[proper fable]

Ok I will check it out later. 👍

[fast nexus]

is there a fire exit on azure?

[gaunt topaz]

a few, yea

[fast nexus]

ah does scanner not show them or am i blind

[gaunt topaz]

they do, just not from super far away. detection range may need improving

[fast nexus]

true

odd since main entrance is scannable from far but fire exits arent

doesnt help that the entrances and exits blend in with the map

lol

[gaunt topaz]

well, node detection with them needs a mod so...

[fast nexus]

gg

[gaunt topaz]

hell, node detection for fire exits in general need one

[last crown]

aight Tolian you win

holy shit Calt Prime is so much fun

it gives me the same level of fun I used to get from Kast

plus it feels very vanilla like. actually 10/10

[west pivot]

you have to do parkour to get to one, its pretty cool actually

[wheat eagle]

Do these moons work on v50?

You should probably update the Thunderstore page respectively

[faint topaz]

change what exactly?

[wheat eagle]

Just put (v50 compatible) somewhere in the mod description

Assuming it is compatible

[wheat eagle]

I wouldn't have needed to ask this if it was there lol

[faint topaz]

my moons depend on LLL

[wheat eagle]

And LLL was only recently updated to v50

Plus there was like 5 other LLL forks and stuff claiming to work with v50

Just asking to be sure. Sorry if it seemed rude

[faint topaz]

np

[faint topaz]

they're compatible with the v50

[wheat eagle]

🎉

[tepid plover]

Hey Tolian! I had added Old Birds to Harloth via LethalQuantities but they never seem to wake up or activate with the apparatus being pulled, not sure if anyone else has asked this and honestly might be a better question for Batby but do moons need something in the backend for them to work?

[faint topaz]

hmm interesting

I didn't use LethalQuantities 😅

[tepid plover]

Oh it's just to modify moon properties, I thought the outside was a bit too quiet so I added more spawns for spore lizards, slimes and a 5% for old birds

[faint topaz]

try adding them to LLL.cfg

[tacit pelican]

Pls don't be another primitive dungeon entrance, would be cool if it was set up to work with one of the pool rooms interiors! Like some of your other moons....

Referring to pyschward and echelon

[last crown]

bruh Dawntrails comin' early? >:P

(i hope some other XIV nerd is here to understand that)

[vocal dock]

isnt there a config?

[gaunt topaz]

i can already hear the steel drums

[faint topaz]

||soon||

[faint topaz]

???

[vocal dock]

a configuration file for the mod? idk. havent tested it yet but its always the first thing to look at for me :D yk if you wanna set a custom prize for a moon or something along these lines

[faint topaz]

use the LLL config to change prices, enemies

[vocal dock]

usually i use lethalquantities
will use this then ig

[faint topaz]

lethalquantities is also good for customizing moons

[olive sierra]

nah dude I hate ffxiv

😎

[glass abyss]

oh cool you got into viperian's latest vid 👀

[west pivot]

what does the building exterior of spectralis look like

anybody got a pic? sry i forgot and dont feel like playing rn

[west pivot]

thank u

congrats on getting showcased on yt btw

[west pivot]

def putting scoopys castle with dis

[fading hound]

I'm having an issue where none of the moons are appearing in the list of moons

Really wanna try your other stuff besides Harloth, Maritopua, EchoReach... I downloaded the mod pack and that didn't work. I lost access to the 3 I mentioned, I tried individual install of each moon. Still no go

[faint topaz]

send your list of mods

[fading hound]

Where is that... Thunderstore?

[faint topaz]

@fading hound are you using r2modman ?

[fading hound]

I manually install. No managers

[faint topaz]

I would recommend that you install r2modman for convenience

[faint topaz]

delete your LLL.cfg

[fading hound]

Just the Config file? Force it to reconfig?

[faint topaz]

Yeah

If the problem persists, let me know

[fading hound]

I actually got it working while I between chat... Updated LLL. I was a week out from the update.

Thanks, sorry for the bother 😇

[fading hound]

Does this work all mods used... Cuz I'm not limited to Thunderstore mods... I use mods from all soruces, however managers don't like other managers... And I've not found one that works for all

[faint topaz]

can be combined by adding third-party mods to plugins (folders)

[fading hound]

So your saying rodman can help me track mods from TS... And the mods I stop in from other sources?

[zenith jay]

You can also manually install mods using r2modman

[zenith jay]

You'll have to manually update anything that you manually install

[vocal dock]

@faint topaz I entered a few sample prices for the different moons in LQ to test it out. It worked once but now the default prices are back. Seems like LQ doesn't overwrite your mod.

[faint topaz]

just change the price in LLL.cfg

[vocal dock]

where can i find this file? never worked with it before

[faint topaz]

BepInEx/config/LethalLevelLoader.cfg

[vocal dock]

oh.. yea seems logical

[vocal dock]

@faint topaz okay i think you have to create a new save. my current one didnt take the new values but i also changed to those values in LLL.cfg now just to be sure xD

[wraith umbra]

yo tolian this guy showcased ur moons mod in his video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84PxDe1o6fI

now more people will download ur moons

[last crown]

Viperian is something I watch because usually there is one or two good mods showcased I wanna use. not always though

[wraith umbra]

same

[faint topaz]

• 0.2.5 >>> 0.2.7 Updated Spectralis
  • 0.3.0 >>> 0.3.5 Updated Crystallum
  • 0.7.6 >>> 0.8.4 Updated Celestria
  • 0.3.3 >>> 0.3.4 Updated Argent
  • 0.1.9 >>> 0.2.3 Updated Nimbus
  • 0.4.4 >>> 0.4.5 Updated Zenit
  • 0.6.0 >>> 0.6.3 Updated PsychSanctum

[gaunt topaz]

... Sanguine?

released in the pack before the individual moon?

[proper fable]

where dose it say that

[gaunt topaz]

changelog for the moon pack

ingame rn.

[proper fable]

yo

your right

let me try it out

YOOO

this is nice

[gaunt topaz]

optimization and lighting will need adjustments. the glare of some reflections is quite jarring

music surrounding main is a bit loud for me, but i have loudness equalization on, so someone else would need to test that

[zenith jay]

Doesn't sound any louder than the normal music to me

[gaunt topaz]

good good

and of course, an icon from me of it. (spoiler actually means something rn)

[west pivot]

can someone quickly send pic of sanguine main entrance exterior? tryna see what interior i wanna assign it

this tolian dude is grindinggggggggg

[zenith jay]

It's made for SDM

[west pivot]

oh interesting

so exterior is mansion

?

[zenith jay]

Pretty much, but the intention is for the moon to be used with SDM

[west pivot]

cool

have other moons been made for sdm before

like by other modders? im curious cuz i havent gotten sdm yet and would like to know which moons to def assign it to

[zenith jay]

I personally make it a rarer mansion on any moon that has mansion as an interior. Some I bump it a bit higher. As for ones made for SDM I'm not too sure

[west pivot]

noice thanks

thats what ill do prob

[zenith jay]

SDM is amazing, if you haven't played with it yet you're in for a treat

[gaunt topaz]

interior with custom scrap, custom mechanics, ||custom enemy (kinda)||; a major step up from default mansion

[zenith jay]

don't forget the amazing level generation. SDM's custom dungen scripting is honestly one of my favorite features it has

[naive lake]

is it exclusive to the moon pack?

[gaunt topaz]

for now

guessing a thumbnail wasnt made for it yet

[raw crystal]

These moons are gorgeous

[prisma laurel]

Honestly I prefer it being exclusive to the aio there are so many moons at this point lol

[rose spoke]

I really don't like using the AIO pack cuz I only use certain moons from the ones he made

I try to keep it minimal and don't like having too many moons

[prisma laurel]

I had like 6 or 7 of them so it was an easy decision to swap to the AIO keeps my mod pack cleaner

[rose spoke]

That's fair, I just wish there was an option to turn some of them off

[zenith jay]

He'll release it as a single eventually, you can technically hide moons using LLL if you want to

[rose spoke]

Can ya?

[zenith jay]

Yeah in the LLL config you can make a moon hidden

Make sure to enable content configuration

Actually now you can just straight up disable them it seems

[rose spoke]

Still tho, the download size is very big

[zenith jay]

Yeah that's valid. Like I said, he'll release it as a single eventually

[lone quail]

@faint topaz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84PxDe1o6fI

Highlights your moon mod. 😄

[vocal dock]

thats what brought me here :D even better when theres v50 support

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz lol https://clips.twitch.tv/CoyJollyStingrayDuDudu-6KwPfU7b8OOKgmFs

[digital bluff]

Thanks to LLL, most moons which use it should automatically work in v50 other than not having new enemy/trap/scrap spawns

[faint topaz]

XD

I'll fix it

[tepid plover]

Hey Again! So I done some testing, LLL spawning just doesn't seem to work but I did some with LQ, I tested 3 custom moons modifying moon outside enemy power and allowed spawns; Harloth, Transmission and Catalyst,

Harloth and Catalyst have the same problem: "Dormant" Old Birds spawn during the day and do not activate at all, they do however spawn in randomly and then can function.

On Transmission however they work fine, they spawn in dormant and wake up from 1pm-12, i'll ask the moon maker to see if anything can be found here,

It is a bit of a stretch for something these moons don't have but I think it'd be beneficial for moon makers to know if I can get to the bottom of it.

[faint topaz]

• Sanguine relesed

[faint topaz]

Maybe because they have spawn, but it's a very small percentage

[tepid plover]

Nah I massively inflated the numbers, I had about 15 dormant ones in view

I've asked the Transmission creater if there's something that can be found, I believe there would be something that old birds are referencing to get their "wake up" prompt

[grizzled lava]

has this been rolled into the compilation mod?

[prisma laurel]

It was released in the AIO package first so yes

[gaunt topaz]

another near flawless first release, Tolian my friend.
friendly for both single and multi, no desync (that we could find), ship-to-main distance is just right, and NO crashes (yet). interior lighting just needs less saturation and reflection glares need a reduction. id say a little optimization here and there, but yer always lookin out for that.
easily one of your smoothest releases. keep up the fantastic work 😄

[faint topaz]

• 0.2.5 >>> 0.3.0 Updated CaltPrime
  • 0.2.3 >>> 0.2.5 Updated Nimbus
  • 0.6.0 >>> 0.6.5 Updated EchoReach
  • 0.2.0 >>> 0.2.5 Updated Sanguine

[abstract inlet]

i glitched out of sanguines borders with an extention ladder

[hasty heath]

is psychsanctum supposed to have a config file?

[zenith jay]

No, does yours?

[hasty heath]

No I don't. Just wasn't sure if it was or wasn't supposed to.

[zenith jay]

Custom Moons typically don't

[raw crystal]

It's crazy how fast you make these moons!

[fast nexus]

bro is a michelin star chef

[gaunt topaz]

fren fell thru the geometry and got stuck on Calt Prime
https://i.gyazo.com/436890d966d92838ae1a8be7290be0e6.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/312b85e515f0200da1fd6302402ae7dd.jpg

[high sierra]

Oh hey I ended up stuck there too lol

[faint topaz]

Joker's trap

I'll fix that

[gaunt topaz]

🔥

[hasty heath]

Haha I just got stuck there also tonight! Small world

[high sierra]

We're like a bunch of lemmings

https://tenor.com/view/dont-jump-jump-dont-eveonline-pubg-gif-14979603

[faint topaz]

Which moons need range balancing to the entrance?

[vocal dock]

the dark cave-like one imo. i think its crystallum. also Maritopia is a lil too far. For azure i noticed that i couldnt find a way from the fire exit to the ship. This location was kinda seperate from the rest and seemed unreachable

[blissful python]

Maritopia is a nightmare lol For Maritopic, maybe add some weight based bridged to get to the main entrance easier

[vocal dock]

Wasn't there a bridge shaped like a power pole in an earlier version of the mod? Or was that a different map?

[high sierra]

It's still there

[vocal dock]

but it was more direct to a fire exit
I couldn't find it anymore. i saw it in videos but myself i couldnt see it

[high sierra]

The fire exit was on the floor below main entrance, towards which the power pole led

Main just looks like a fire exit

[vocal dock]

okay, I have to revisit. but I definitely feel like the way is too long

[high sierra]

Eh. I think it provides an intriguing time management challenge. It balances out the lack of enemies to interrupt the trip

[vocal dock]

you could also look at it this way

[high sierra]

It also rewards more efficient means of carrying cargo like having a dedicated carrier, jetpack, tzp

[high sierra]

But yeah, that's how I see it

[blissful python]

My biggest thing is the lack of a clear path to the main entrance. I get lost every time

[glass abyss]

harloth, crystallium and celestria definetely feel a bit long

[glass abyss]

main is directly 180 to the fire exit which is easy af to reach yeah

[blissful python]

Maybe something like broken / flicking street lamps along what is intended as the main path for Maritopic to provide some sense of direction

[high sierra]

I have a similar complaint with Crysrallum

It's far too easy to wander out of bounds there and end up in an inescapable position

Good luck if you're a jetpack user especially :V

[faint topaz]

153-Maritopia(D) >
34-Nyx(C) >
39-Azure(C) >

Crystallum(B-)(150) >>

Echelon(B)(180) >>
33-EchoReach(B)(200) >>

Spectralis(B+)(290) >>>
111-PsychSanctum(B+)(340) >>>

Nimbus(A-)(360) >>>

37-Zenit(A)(470) >>>
32-Argent(A)(510) >>>
Sanguine(A)(520) >>>|

9-Celestria(S-)(600) >>>=

618-Budapest(S)(800) >>>>

93-Harloth(S+)(910) >>>>
35-CaltPrime(SS)(1000) >>>>>

[west pivot]

yea budapest with jetpack is nightmare as well

too many invisible walls and collision in the sky

[faint topaz]

I don't think it's a good idea to use a jetpack in a cave😅

[high sierra]

True.......................

But the profits.......... the profits....!!!

[high sierra]

Okay but that is bad

[faint topaz]

what about Zenit?

[blissful python]

Nyx, does it have a fire exit? I looked but maybe I am blind lol

[west pivot]

with jetpack? havent tried it yet

[faint topaz]

I haven't added it yet, but I'm going to add it soon😅

[faint topaz]

what about the range to the main entrance?

[blissful python]

It is intended to go into that lit up area in the back?

That area seemed like I was designed with a purpose and was never used LOL

[west pivot]

honestly i dont have a prob with any of your moons' range.

[faint topaz]

I think in the near future Harloth, Zenit,EchoReach, will get a range rebalance and Celestria ||will get its own transport||

[west pivot]

ive only played zenit once but i dont remember it being a long trip

but if u think so then sure

[glass abyss]

ОООООООООООООООООООООООООООООООООООООООООООООООООО

hyped

[gaunt topaz]

Crystallum (might be difficult), Maritopia (the main scan node just needs to be detected from farther away), Harloth, Spectralis, and Celestria (main is fine. fire exit however...)

just saw the Harloth and Celestra plans. excellence 🔥

[faint topaz]

• 0.3.0 >>> 0.3.1 Updated CaltPrime
  • 0.3.4 >>> 0.3.7 Updated Harloth
  • 0.6.5 >>> 0.6.8 Updated EchoReach
  • 0.3.4 >>> 0.3.5 Updated Argent
  • 0.4.5 >>> 0.4.6 Updated Zenit
  • 0.3.2 >>> 0.3.4 Updated Nyx

[spice flare]

Those two doors next to the path for main made me think those were alternate fire exit routes, haha. May be good for closing off with some boards or a minecart.

[west pivot]

i just now played on sanguine for the first time

bro, tolian, that music is great man

well done

[fast nexus]

guh

[raw crystal]

I crashed when exploring the mansion on Sanguine

[faint topaz]

Interesting

I'll make an optimization patch

[faint topaz]

• 1.2.6 >>> 1.2.8 Updated Budapest
  • 0.2.5 >>> 0.2.7 Updated Sanguine

[warm seal]

I was made aware of a possible geometry issue on Nyx. These screenshots aren't mine but the person said they're pretty much softlocked and can't get out of this portion of the exterior

[prisma laurel]

@faint topaz What changed with 1.8.3? There was no changelog

[faint topaz]

Repatched all the moons

I'm surprised the changelog wasn't saved😅

[small sparrow]

nyx is so laggy

[faint topaz]

where does it lag the most?

[small sparrow]

i cant even tell, im getting like, 30 frames maybe

[faint topaz]

on other moons, what's the approximate fps?

[small sparrow]

all other moons are like, 80 or at least 60

i notice almost 0 lag on those moons

[faint topaz]

How many fps are you getting on Spectralis/Crystallum if you have it?

[small sparrow]

ummm hold up do you have an fps counter mod i can use?

[faint topaz]

you can just turn it on in your Steam settings

[small sparrow]

o yeah i forgor

hol up i gotta save up to get there real quick lmao

[faint topaz]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SlushyRH/FreeeeeeMoooooons/

[small sparrow]

eh i just got enough anyways

dont feel like closing the game to install a mod right now

75-85 fps

on crystallum

[faint topaz]

I'll see what might be wrong with the Nyx and fix it

[small sparrow]

testing spectralis rn

spectralis is a bt rougher, with me getting around 45-65 fps

[last crown]

Gotta say my favourite thing to do on Calt Prime is to get an extension ladder and use it to get to the main entrance from the ship. Anything inside quickly can be brought out and dropped off the side which you can jump up to the side of the ship no problem.

There is also a way to reach the upper fire exit without jetpack or ladder just by jumping on a slight ledge provided by the two crates. Not sure if it's unintentional but god I love it.

also Old Birds are scary

I think the short distance and compactness just makes it so fun for me.
Oh and there is two spawn issues i noticed. Doggos often get trapped ontop or in boxes

[small sparrow]

some optimization on spectralis would be nice since I have a friend that kinda has a potato pc, and im trying to make my modpack as usable as possible for him

[faint topaz]

• 0.7.2 >>> 0.8.0 Updated Maritopia
  • 0.2.1 >>> 0.2.2 Updated Echelon
  • 0.2.7 >>> 0.2.8 Updated Spectralis
  • 0.3.4 >>> 0.7.0 Updated Nyx

[faint topaz]

• 0.3.1 >>> 0.7.0 Updated CaltPrime

[tepid moth]

@faint topaz what kind of tree models asset do you use?

Is it free or paid one?

[faint topaz]

depending on which moons

[faint topaz]

Well, most of them are paid

[tepid moth]

Sanguine

BTW, I have to say that your moons look impressive
Really amazing amount of details
Tho, for me personally your moons doesn't fit vanilla lethal but still I'm amazed with your skills

[faint topaz]

paid

[faint topaz]

thanks

[tepid moth]

BTW, are these trees are just 3d model or game object with unitys tree builder or something

[faint topaz]

3d models

[tepid moth]

Because when I tested free ones I was struggling to use them, since these trees were this weird tree builder thing

[tepid moth]

Well, I guess I have to model trees by myself

[faint topaz]

https://sketchfab.com/feed

[faint topaz]

@tepid moth You can find free trees on this site

[tepid moth]

I'll try

Tho, I'm not a big fan of sketchfab

I don't know how to use those models properly in unity 😅

[faint topaz]

• first you pull the wood onto the scene, and then you place the texture on it

then properly customize the material

and it's done

[tepid moth]

Am I able to create prefab later on so I can use it with tree painter?

[faint topaz]

yes

[faint topaz]

• 0.6.3 >>> 0.9.0 Updated PsychSanctum

[small sparrow]

are these optimization updates :0

[prisma laurel]

Yes

[fast nexus]

maritopia has the default desert celestial tint rn instead of ocean

[dense goblet]

Does anyone have a good image of video of Harloth since the image on thunderstore isn't very good

[small sparrow]

yeah the image on thunderstore is kinda useless lmao

[faint topaz]

• All moons have been updated

[faint topaz]

I'll update the screenshots

[gaunt topaz]

greeeeeeen

[prisma laurel]

Harloth is probably your best moon

Actually I would say Sanguine is tied tbh, I love Sanguine 🥺

PsychSanctum, Harloth, Zenit, Calt, and Sanguine are easily my faves

[wanton mountain]

Maritopia is peak!
But visually Crystallum is insane. Speaking of Crystallum, it would add alot to the atmosphere if the lava had a glow effect and/or if you baked some light/shadows to the ground texture next to it

[zenith jay]

Another Harloth lover🎉

[prisma laurel]

Crystallum is great from a visual standpoint but not from a gameplay standpoint

😦

The dogs ruin those thin pathways

[wanton mountain]

yaiii agree oooooor, i find it kinda funny haha. I even get a shy guy to spawn there sometimes

anyways
right now the texture feels alittle disconnected when the lava is glowing but the ground around it doesn't seem to be affected by it's light

[prisma laurel]

I'll hard disagree with you on Maritopia though, the city moons don't really vibe well with me. I do love Wesley's Atlantica though

Wesley's moons are a whole different level of perfection though so it's not a fair comparison

😂

[wanton mountain]

I get that! To each their own. I like it based on gameplay. Plus Piggys office interior suits it amazingly

[prisma laurel]

I like LC_Office but I don't like all the bugs it has

😔

[wanton mountain]

hahahy i really want to try them again now on lll! Didn't really vibe with them on lethalexpansion due to desyncs

or rather that it didn't have a proper networking feature

[prisma laurel]

Yeah definitely try Wesley's since they're on LLL now

[wanton mountain]

bugs?

[prisma laurel]

Yeah mainly Shrimp always being bugged and throwing errors even when disabled

XD

Or the warnings it throws about sounds

Great interior but needs some love

[wanton mountain]

really?? i haven't noticed haha. Altho i have it disabled cause i think it didn't suit the vibe

[prisma laurel]

Spectralis is another moon I really love but it's a bit large for what it is, 158 mb is pretty big XD

[wanton mountain]

i have also alot of mods that reduce and removes some logs so alittle hard to tell sometimes lol. But some of those mods actually help and fixes stuff for some reason. Don't ask me why or how

god damn is it that big?? just got a new pc so i'm destroying it with mods lol

[prisma laurel]

Yeah it is, I lowered my modpack a little since a friend was having trouble importing

so I removed the full Tolian_Moons bundle and cut it down to the ones we play on the most

lol

[wanton mountain]

Smart smart!

i just gaslight my friends into my stupid modpack

Wonder why no one wants to play anymore lol

[prisma laurel]

Haha

[faint topaz]

I'll have to optimize

even though it's already pretty heavily optimized

[wanton mountain]

it's sooo cool tho

[prisma laurel]

Haha I will admit I'm surprised it's that large when the moon ingame is smaller than Sanguine

c;

Must be the assets

🩷

I'm sure if you can figure out how to get all your moons below 100 mb in size somehow that might help your full moons package stalling on download for some too c;

It's those big moons causing struggle

😂

Love your moons though even if my friends had problems lol

But yeah I'll agree the moon ingame is very optimized and runs well

[faint topaz]

I'll optimize it when I have time

[prisma laurel]

🩷

[faint topaz]

I've been having import problems lately too, I think it's Thunderstore

[glass abyss]

thunderstore kinda sucks in that regard, it kills the download for bundles that big for at least two of my friends who dont have good internet

[faint topaz]

Well, if I'm not mistaken, the moons package weighs 960 mb😂

[wanton mountain]

lol
size of lethal itself

[glass abyss]

how many moons does lethal have?

[zenith jay]

Less than Tolian 😂

[glass abyss]

case closed

[wanton mountain]

hahaha thats true! and they are not as detailed

[faint topaz]

11?

[wanton mountain]

my modpack is 5.46gb total...... ._.

[zenith jay]

I honestly can't play without modded moons now, even the new ones in v50 are nothing compared to what this community has made

[glass abyss]

cant play vanilla forever

gets stale after a while

[faint topaz]

soon gigabyte

[wanton mountain]

Thats what i like to hear!

moons*

[prisma laurel]

Yeah probably

[gaunt topaz]

i need a lava moon 🙏

Infernis is great but lonely

since Io and Vulcan are trapped on LE

Raze there too, but that had gameplay issues.

[wanton mountain]

i would love the opposite to that, a underwater moon! Maybe take some inspiration from the og bioshock games

[faint topaz]

It's a good idea, but how do you do it?

[gaunt topaz]

i had a thought on how thatd work

you land above water on a platform. jutting from that platform is a few pipes that lead below the water

[wanton mountain]

i'm thinking like a entry reminisced to Plastereds black mesa. The ship goes down a tunnel and then the ship lands in a glass globe

Around the globe you got the water. Either that or there are alot of glass tunnels

problem may be how the water effect would look

Altho could add some whales swimming and other fishes to convey that feeling

bubbles and so on

[faint topaz]

Um, I'll put that in the ideas

[wanton mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/kermitthefrog-dance-dancing-goingwild-crazy-gif-5023883256888097815

[faint topaz]

time

[gaunt topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/bongo-cat-drum-playing-drum-gif-12638875

[prisma laurel]

@glass abyss incase you're still getting desyncs btw

AlwaysHearActiveWalkies was causing desyncs for us after I tried readding it

If you use that

[prisma laurel]

I've just noticed your biggest moons are Argent, Crystallum, and Spectralis so that's not bad lol, I'm guessing those are the ones that slow down the dl's and imports though the rest of them are all at pretty optimized sizes