The Fiend

[clever totem]

yep

to think of it - skyrim came out in 2011

still alive

[indigo garden]

crazy 100+ people are following this thread already and it been 1 day ❤️

[hollow wagon]

super mario bros 1 came out 1985 and lots of mods are still being actively developed

[clever totem]

everyone is hungry for new game content

😄

[timid island]

If we could get official mod support in some capacity that would be awesome

Though I'm not sure how feasible it would even be for one person

[clever totem]

yeah, considering state of netcode for the moment 😄

even in vanilla something always breaks

[snow bluff]

I'm not saying hire like 50 people

At least 3-4 people with him should be fine

[plush osprey]

Managing and working with a team is a lot harder than it may initially seem especially if your used to solo dev imo

[molten panther]

Probably because he's barely older than 20 and doesn't know who to trust/how much to pay/how to coordinate and work with a team professionally/how to handle contract negotiations for ownership rights or royalty costs

[plush osprey]

^ this too

he's quite young

[molten panther]

Like, honest to god I guarantee you

I GUARANTEE

That he's gotten over 1000 private messages asking for a job

[plush osprey]

Its why his bio on discord says to stop asking about it lol

[molten panther]

And that's a low estimate

[snow bluff]

I did development in my past with a small team

For me it wasn't a big of a deal

[indigo garden]

I hope this renderer fix works

[plush osprey]

I mean yeah you did, which is the difference there

[molten panther]

What is this guy anyway? Is it from something?

[plush osprey]

Theres also just the fact he might wanna maintain his vision with the game too

Yeah, from an itch horror game called Rinse and Repeat iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVo34Jzf_AY

[indigo garden]

owner is chill me using it

[molten panther]

Ah

You should see if you can add some kind of texture to his body

He's very.... Flat

[indigo garden]

that why he grabs you

[plush osprey]

Very simple game it seems, your idea is a lot more fleshed out it looks like

Which is interesting

Def think that, like whats been suggested for the mod, if the time it took to kill after being grabbed was shortened it couldve been scarier
(and the creatures design surprisingly feels more condusive to the dim enviornments of Lethal Company)

[molten panther]

Yeah he just needs a lil "noise" to his texture so he doesn't feel like he's just missing a texture

Bracken again is a good example

[indigo garden]

fixed texture

[plush osprey]

That was fast

Nice

[indigo garden]

making sure there is no bugs on release

I seen lot of mods release and there is errors

[molten panther]

Wait, his whole body isn't just a flat image is it?

[indigo garden]

It is lol

[glossy fable]

so he does have a clear face

[molten panther]

No no like

Does he have a 3D model

[indigo garden]

yea

[molten panther]

Ok because there's like, no visible contour when he's in the light so it feels like his texture is just glitched out

So he almost looks like a paper cutout

[indigo garden]

he was on the ceiling

so kinda looked weird

[frosty totem]

This is looking beautiful, absolutely perfect, I cannot wait to shadow add this to my groups pack

[indigo garden]

make sure u clip and send here of your reaction

🙂

[molten panther]

What does he look like in full light

[indigo garden]

black

[indigo garden]

this video it shows you

[molten panther]

Right ok I'm saying he will probably look better if he's not just jet black with no reflection because he just looks flat

[indigo garden]

what about ghost girl

[molten panther]

?

What about her

[plush osprey]

I guess that her model is unaffected by light? But eitherway I think going for more what the bracken looks like in bright areas would be nicer

Since the one thing with the fiend in bright areas rn is that he kinda becomes like pale gray all over

[molten panther]

That's what I'm getting at yeah

[indigo garden]

ima do smth

[hearty wasp]

GOOOOOOD

[indigo garden]

thx

[hearty wasp]

The screaming improved quite frankly

[indigo garden]

found it

I tried to make it have shadows

you cant run from him 🙂

[astral siren]

I’m on my phone rn so it’s hard to see, do shadows render on the grates?

[solid wing]

eta?

1 month plus🇰🇭?

[astral siren]

Ah yes I can see that

[astral siren]

Shut.

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-let-him-cook-cook-toy-story-woody-gif-27345024

[indigo garden]

it may take less then month to add

[solid wing]

coolio, take ur time

[indigo garden]

about the hide and seek mode

what if the target player leave? should he just go on a rage page if they leave and kill someone to calm down

[hoary marlin]

I want you guys to know cause I just cant read I kept reading the title as "The Flend"

[late walrus]

What if they can't leave 👀

[hearty wasp]

one day

[indigo garden]

they have to find him

[molten panther]

He's still got that weird "becomes totally light gray" effect under lights but just that bit of texture and the fact you can see he's 3D now adds so much

definite improvement

[indigo garden]

it has no shadow map so its prob the reason

ima check if there is one

[late walrus]

Could always make configurations for different conditions (Must find, can't leave | Can leave, will become angy etc), which maybe could also change per match kind of like how the Rolling Giant's A.I changes

[indigo garden]

Im not sure how to add configurations its my first mod

[molten panther]

I wouldn't recommend it, makes it weirdly unpredictable

[astral siren]

Up to you, I have several possible ideas you can consider…

1. It waits for a few seconds after they leave before returning to hiding and marking a target again.
2. It hides above the entrance and waits for them to renter
3. (Hardest) it can leave the building
4. (My fav) Targeted and/or cursed players are unable to exit through the main door or a fire exit

[molten panther]

hiding above the entrance feels unfair if your teammates can accidentally set him off

[astral siren]

Yeah

Hm, how do you avoid it killing you?

Because the marked target dies if the fiend isn’t found and if someone finds it it will chase and probably kill them

[pliant radish]

:3

[molten panther]

no Dot he's not going to hire you

unless he hired you in which case lol but I doubt he hired you

[solid wing]

I got a cool mechanic for the fiend

we can see that it does not light, so you can flash a flash light on the fiend, which will make it teleport away, so it will haunt you. But the more you flash it, the more powerful it will become in its ambush phase. This will be its rage meter, and it will eventually reach maximum horror, and if it kills you in the maximum, a new more gorry animation. And then it will haunt everyone in the facility

[indigo garden]

5. Kills then when they leave

🔥

[astral siren]

based

should still have something on the exit prompt anyway

[solid wing]

same idea can be applied with the laser pointer, but it affects it less in its rage meter

you cant see the rage meter

[molten panther]

If leaving kills you then how do you leave....

[solid wing]

but when it reaches 100

maximum horror mode

this will help create a counter

with the flash light or laser pointer

but u still cant kill it

[molten panther]

I wonder if you could make your helmet scan do something with it

[solid wing]

that would be to easy

[molten panther]

ah ah ah

[solid wing]

maybe a item or something

[molten panther]

could be negative

could be a bad thing

[solid wing]

oh yea

it will help increase its rage meter

everytime you scan
+5 to rage meter

[molten panther]

example: Snare Fleas, kinda dangerous, but if you use your scan often then it's easy to spot them

[solid wing]

also as the rage meter goes up, ur screen will have more of a red tint

[molten panther]

since Fiend is an "elite snare flea" in a sense, forcing the player to use their ears and eyes instead of the scan could be good

[indigo garden]

the flashlight you will be able to use 3 times and will reset if they rage

when its 0 it will get mad at you ig

so you only can use it three times

then offer someones life to reset it

[placid grotto]

I still like the idea of stun grenade flashbanging him as an elevated way to get him to go away since it's a bright flash of light and you're burning credits / consumables on him instead of just flashlight battery

[indigo garden]

its funny because stun grenade work on slimes

[solid wing]

the more the "rage meter" increase, the more a red tint will apply

[molten panther]

ok so let's say theoretically, it's the first quota, you enter the facility, he spawns, and your team doesn't have flashlights because you spent your money on something else, like a flashbang in case of giants spawning on Vow/March. What is the counterplay and how will he behave?

[solid wing]

so you know its rage meter is increasing, without an actual bar

then there isnt really a counter play

thats why I like flashlights there cheap

and now there is more of a incentive to buy them

[indigo garden]

trap him in a room

he cant open doors

unless hes mad

[solid wing]

I thought he can break them

[molten panther]

how do you get him into the room

like just have him "follow you" and then circle around and close the door?

[indigo garden]

yea

[solid wing]

like a door, or a terminal door

[molten panther]

Oh that's hilarious

regular door I think

[indigo garden]

he will only chase you in sight

[molten panther]

and then when he's enraged he kicks doors

[solid wing]

how do you enrage him

[indigo garden]

so you can slowly go around corners

[indigo garden]

light or hide and seek mode (dont exist yet)

light 3 times

I should work on light thing now

[solid wing]

wdym by lighting it

with a flashlight

and why would u use a flashlight on him

[indigo garden]

pro flashlight

in his face

[solid wing]

so that will put him into enrage mode?

[indigo garden]

only if you do it 3 times

he will stun after you do it

[solid wing]

but then nobody will ever flash him

people are just never gonna use their flashlight when they spot it once

most people in general dont use a flashlight, cause they take a extra space unless ur using the extra slot mod. So...

[molten panther]

he's still dangerous when he's not enraged so the flashlight is a low-cost "get out of jail" card in that case

but you can't abuse it

that's the idea

[indigo garden]

punishment ig

[solid wing]

what

there would be no punishment then

cause no one is gonna flash it

[molten panther]

no no no listen

in its normal state, it is a threat

[solid wing]

how so

[molten panther]

it's like, above average dangerous

it hides and kills you and stuff

I'm sure that'll be developed more with time

[solid wing]

oh

but I mean

[molten panther]

but the idea is that in its normal state it is "More dangerous than normal" in terms of enemies

[solid wing]

there should more incentive to flash it, what will exactly happen if u flash it

[molten panther]

the flashlight is a leash that can keep you safe, but not forever

[indigo garden]

ideas for modes

• Break Doors
• Hide
• Avoid Players Light
• Seek
• Hide And Seek
• Flicker Lights
• Invisible
• Rage

[solid wing]

it should give u a 2 min grace period

[molten panther]

flashing it stuns it, but only the first 2 or 3 times

it probably will give a good grace period

[solid wing]

yea

[molten panther]

he actually runs away I think

not just stuck in place but actively flees

[solid wing]

plz dont make it invisible, also I think the red tint idea would be sick

[indigo garden]

invisible is when he cant kill you but will tp to you and stand still for 5s then un-invisible

or 5s then hides

[solid wing]

oh ok

[bold valley]

its a lot :P

hey @indigo garden what was your BASE idea when making this monster?

Ik you talked about him being an unkillable demon, which I like

stick at least to what you want to do!

Ive just been noticing a lot of people suggesting a lot changes to your concept, and I know you want this mod to be great so youre trying to add all of it, but I think at times its best to go with what YOU want to do

I've seen this situation get out of control once or twice before :) with moonsneer, that caused the dev to lose a lot of motivation.

Just be careful.

I'm looking through these comments, and some of the suggestions/complaints are nonsense imo. "There's too many unkillable enemies" - by definition, the scariest enemies are the ones that you can't kill.

(@indigo garden , not to say that you SHOULDNT make this enemy killable if you want to)

:)

[indigo garden]

thanks ❤️

[bold valley]

ye all good, looking forward to the finished product here. I suggest talking about the design of the mod with 1/2 close friends instead of with a massive audience that all have a different concept of what the "scariest possible monster" could be

[indigo garden]

so fair this ai has like 299 lines of code

[bold valley]

POG

more progress than anyone who cant code will ever get to :P

[smoky hinge]

Are the reflections on it intentionnal?

[indigo garden]

No but I did add some sutff to it

[icy granite]

Jfc lmao

Cant wait till this comes out

[jaunty ocean]

i think maybe it should just go back to hiding

[indigo garden]

frick

trying to test something and he jumped me

nearly my keyboard out of the window

here is sort of blind thing

[wind pendant]

maybe he could only target people who have their flashlight off

like it sees an opportunity to attack

cause people (i think) turn their flashlights on and off over time in order to preserve battery life

[indigo garden]

I mean it slowly build rage for him

then he wont care because hes like super fast

[wind pendant]

hmm true...

ive had a creature design for something completely unrelated to LC that also has an aversion to light

whenever its enraged it disregards its aversion in order to get its victim even if it harms them significantly

since even minor lights like the glow of a lantern is enough to hurt its eyes

so i like this idea alot

you should make him go into rage state immediately if you tbag him :trol:

[indigo garden]

lol

[steel bolt]

when will be released

[wind pendant]

2 years ago

[indigo garden]

better blind here

[indigo garden]

idk maybe week or two or this weekend

who knows

[steel bolt]

faster than half life 2 episode 3

[steel bolt]

so what does this guy do exactly btw?

[molten panther]

Wonder if it could be good to have the blind take a moment to fully take effect, so just lightly flicking your beam over him doesn't apply the blind

Perhaps only slowing him down at first

[bold valley]

still working on it but its a demon that chases you down

[indigo garden]

yeah pretty much

there to scare you and give you fear

and kill

[steel bolt]

does it do anything unique besides a jumpscare and some ambush thing?

[wind pendant]

it can be blinded

[indigo garden]

hide mode

I prob should work on animation to hide his parts

[steel bolt]

damn! it bust down the door?

[hearty wasp]

today😈

[wind pendant]

DAMN

HE KICKED DOWN THE WHOLE ASS FRAME

[indigo garden]

yeah bro hates doors

[wind pendant]

NOT EVEN JUST THE DOOR

THE WHOLE ASS FRAME

[indigo garden]

XD

[steel bolt]

is it supposed to rip off the door frame aswell?

or is that part just a w.i.p?

[indigo garden]

the time he was camping

[indigo garden]

yea

[indigo garden]

bro was so fast

[steel bolt]

not to complain but that part with the whole door frame seems kinda off

it doesn't feel as natual as just ripping off the door from its hinges

[indigo garden]

how strong is a demon

like that

[steel bolt]

maybe have the door be shut when the door frame is ripped off, i think it was the fact that it was open that made it weird.

weird for me atleast.

[wind pendant]

i guess it does that to ensure that when it chases you you cant close the door behind it

[indigo garden]

I try to fix that

only break if close

[wind pendant]

fiending

[steel bolt]

still looks cool even with the weird door thing

[wind pendant]

intimidation tactic

close the door and then launch the whole frame

i feel like the fiend would definitely be the type to toy around with you

like in rinse and repeat

you should be able to see his hand as he hides behind doors like he does in R&R

[indigo garden]

im going to sleep now

🙂

[wind pendant]

goodnight

[jaunty ocean]

oh hey, i found a video of the game fiend is from

[fluid galleon]

thats badass, but what do you do if you inverse teleport and dont have a flashlight?

just run?

[remote pollen]

This is peak

[jagged cobalt]

I watched all the videos on this i cant wait

[wind pendant]

then its joever

[fluid galleon]

i think haveing a monster that is only countered by a piece of equipment is bad design as if you dont have it or an inverse teleporter then youre shit outta luck

having a different monster with the 'dont look at it/shine lights in its eyes' being nonlethal UNLESS you look at it is likely the best design

||creature idea that has similar gimmicks to what yall suggest but only kills you if you look at it and die to the damage over time when its eye is on ur screen||

[pliant radish]

But he should...

[molten panther]

From what I've read so far, the flashlight isn't the only counter, but rather sort of like a pseudo zap gun with very limited uses

basically, if you have the flashlight, you have a couple free lives, without the flashlight is "normal"

[stiff bane]

Do u get spooked by your own mod?

[pliant radish]

@undone owl can we have him

[hearty lotus]

The giant and the girl don’t really have counters. I don’t see why people to need to have a 100 counters to one modded entity

[hearty lotus]

We don’t consider the giant and the ghost girl bad design

[pliant radish]

they do? giants are either flashbangs, teleport, or the radar booster
gg you kind of just run away from, she's really not that fast

idk who's we cause i consider the giant pretty lame design, probably my least fav monster next to Jester

[hearty lotus]

Falls under if you don’t have the equipment your sol

[hearty lotus]

Here the last sentence

[pliant radish]

gg is interesting because there is still stuff you can do, and she is really only a menace in small areas where you can't escape from here

oh, well yea i agree that giant is bad design lol

[hearty lotus]

Bad design in what area?

[pliant radish]

i really dont like that once it sees you there's little you can do other than hope to find a LOS breaker which doesn't work half the time anyway

[hearty lotus]

Visual design is amazing

[pliant radish]

there's also not much feedback in terms of it seeing you, it either sees you and you're fucked or you crouch and it has a lesser chance of seeing you

[hearty lotus]

Fix that and the design would be alright. It has way too good of vision

[pliant radish]

no indication of it's FOV especially from afar, compared to nutcracker who has a LOUD sfx and stops moving, and pops out his eye

my dislike for the giant is how once it spots you there's not much you can do, and there's no feedback to being spotted either

[hearty lotus]

Break line of sight should = stop chase

[pliant radish]

dogs make a loud sound when they hear you, start charging and dashing, but the giant just starts fucking BOOKIN it towards ya

[hearty lotus]

I think it should be slower if has the vision it has now

[astral siren]

His “parts”? 🤨

[pliant radish]

also i think it loses it's fear factor pretty quickly and becomes annoying, compared to a coilhead which still gives me utter panic and shock like 100 hours later

[astral siren]

Not immediately, That would be crazy

[hearty lotus]

I think a creature that has no real counter adds more to the horror of the game. I don’t need to be doom slayer walking into the facility and completely countering everything

[hearty lotus]

Of course not it should walk to where It lost you and wander around aimlessly

[astral siren]

Only after line of sight has been broken for say 10 seconds

[pliant radish]

i disagree. something like a coilhead that just didn't stop when you looked at it has no real counter, but that isn't fun at all

[hearty lotus]

But is it terrifying? Terrifying is key

[pliant radish]

no because after the first few it just becomes unfun

this is the same reason i hate jester

yea it's pretty terrifying. the 1st time

afterwards it's "not this fucking bastard again.."

[astral siren]

Cool head is very easy to counter, I soloed three of them and a muck cracker on titan once, they can’t kill you if they are at least on your screen somewhere, as long as you are roughly looking in their direction they will be stopped before killing you

[teal hill]

thats very fair, it can be boiled down to the fiend just being another stalker ai, and also ceiling bug.

[pliant radish]

it's not really terrifying if there's nothing you can do imo, at that point that just becomes unfun because me doing anything is the same as me doing nothing

[hearty lotus]

Respectfully disagree, imo I think the added stress of "this monster won’t stop until I’m dead and I need to continue to look at it " is a greater fear than being hit by a dog

[hearty lotus]

Bro

[pliant radish]

yes coilhead works great for this reason, he does have a counter

[hearty lotus]

The fiend does too

[pliant radish]

what is it's counter?

[molten panther]

Ghost Girl will never chase you if you never look at her and you can tell when she's behind you based on audio cues

[hearty lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-by-daylight-rebecca-dbd-rebecca-chambers-flashlight-blind-dbd-gif-9477581378979658888

[molten panther]

and people HATE the giant

[hearty lotus]

Your working around the creature not countering it

[teal hill]

not to say its not cool, im watching its development, i'm just excited to see more unique stuff from fiend

[jaunty ocean]

she'll still chase you if you go next to her even without looking

[pliant radish]

what are we defining as a counter then?

[molten panther]

bud, that is a counter

"The creature has rules and via playing by said rules you avoid getting pulped"

[hearty lotus]

It’s not though? A counter would be looking at the coil head, using equipment to otherwise stun a creature and ect

[pliant radish]

why is looking at the coilhead a counter, but not looking at ghost girl isn't?

[molten panther]

looking at coilhead = counter
avoiding looking at ghost girl =/= counter??

[hearty lotus]

I can’t type that fast im getting there

[jaunty ocean]

counter

[pliant radish]

imo a lot of LC's charm in terms of enemies is how simple their counters are, but combined together you get some real fun stuff

[hearty lotus]

A workaround: would classify as ignoring or not going near a creature to literally work around it. A counter: is more confrontive and confrontational

[pliant radish]

bracken can be distilled to "look behind every now and then"
coilhead is "do not break LOS with it" and on their own it's not too bad and relatively simple, but you mix the two and that's where a lot of the horror comes from

by your logic is not speaking in vicinity of a dog just a workaround?

[hearty lotus]

Yes as a counter would be talking and bashing it with a shovel

Literally yes

[pliant radish]

we have very different definitions then, cause by your logic coilhead is uncounterable which i heavily disagree

[hearty lotus]

You can’t damage or kill it

[pliant radish]

yes because you're not supposed to

[hearty lotus]

Which means you can’t counter it

[pliant radish]

countering should not mean killing it

[hearty lotus]

I’m not saying it is

[molten panther]

Yeah idk Goober I feel like you're really pigeonholing the definition of the word Counter

[hearty lotus]

It’s just silly semantics

[molten panther]

when all it means is "a set of behaviours or actions that keep you from getting killed"

[hearty lotus]

I’m just explaining what I mean when I say it

Everyone has their own definition

I’m not trying to impose my thoughts on others

[molten panther]

sure ok but then to go back to this point

when people talk about how to deal with ghost girl they'll say that she has Counterplay

[hearty lotus]

I like creatures that have no counter and are a constant fear felt throughout the facility

[hearty lotus]

Oh that one

[molten panther]

meanwhile, people don't like the giant because it feels as though they have very little counterplay

unless you buy a radar booster in which case you can perma-stunlock him

which is, boring

[jaunty ocean]

the giants suck

[pliant radish]

if i get spotted by a giant and im far from the ship, i might as well just stand still because it'll catch me 90% of the time anyway

[hearty lotus]

Gameplay wise the giants suck I think everyone agrees on that

The visual and conceptual design I love

[molten panther]

and before we get caught in a semantic mess again I will specify that when I say "counterplay" what I'm REFERRING TO is "behaviour that keeps you alive", Lethal Company's goal is to make it to the ship with scrap, not kill things

[jaunty ocean]

yeah giants look cool

[pliant radish]

i think they're much less impressive upclose to be honest

[molten panther]

they're

fine

[jaunty ocean]

eh

[pliant radish]

their silhouette is pretty spooky from afar though

[molten panther]

I have pretty neutral thoughts on giants idk

they aight

[jaunty ocean]

if i were to design giants i would probably make em thinner and taller to actually look like trees and make em try to ambush you (but with much slower chasing speed)

[pliant radish]

give them a big fog emitter coming from their holes and if you get in that it'll actually start chasing you

[molten panther]

now, to circle allllll the way back to this original point

[jaunty ocean]

i agree with this original point

[molten panther]

the concern people've had with Fiend is that his only counter is the flashlight

[pliant radish]

i totally agree with what AJarl said too

[molten panther]

from what I can tell though that isn't the case

[hearty lotus]

That I disagree with. True horror lies in being helpless in the situation you are in

[molten panther]

the flashlight serves as an "additional buffer" rather than "the only safe option"

I think horror is really subjective

[hearty lotus]

True

[pliant radish]

i think it's subjective, and also helplessness should be a balance, you cant just do nothing against the enemy because then you have no reason to do anything

[molten panther]

I think the bracken is one of the scariest enemies in the game but you can A) totally chill with him if you play peek-a-boo, B) beat him to death with a shovel

which is not what I would call helpless

[hearty lotus]

My point is it makes it less scary when I can completely negate everything the creature does

[jaunty ocean]

B) you cannot beat him to death with a shovel he will twist your neck

[pliant radish]

well we never said completely negate it

[pliant radish]

you can if you're built different

or have a shotgun

[molten panther]

either zap gun or strafe there's video of people dueling brackens

also yeah shotgun

[hearty lotus]

In a perfect world we could have a creature that adapts to the players actions

Making what you did yesterday mean nothing because it changed today

[molten panther]

Consider however that there is always more than one entity trying to ruin your day at a time

[pliant radish]

then that's just not fun, that's just a trial and error match where if you fuck up it costs you your life

[hearty lotus]

Most of which I can kill

[jaunty ocean]

there aren't any creatures you can completely negate

[molten panther]

LC entity design exists in a space where in a 1v1 situation you can survive 100% of the time with knowledge

[jaunty ocean]

you don't always have a shovel

[molten panther]

but because there are multiple different types of enemies presenting different threats together

you have to adapt on the fly

[pliant radish]

which is why forest giant STINKS

[jaunty ocean]

(except giants)

[hearty lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-talks-stacks-on-gif-24033887

I’m not a brokie

[jaunty ocean]

live a little, use an inverse teleporter sometimes

[molten panther]

Yes giants are the shining example of a motherf*cker supreme

[pliant radish]

and they SUCK

jester is another example of a supreme motherf*cker and i HATE him

[molten panther]

Jester isn't as bad though because he calms down when you leave and then you can just go back in

Jester is just a test of "can you route properly"

don't get lost, don't get ate

[pliant radish]

yea but the bastard camps out the exit half the time

[molten panther]

you still have bare minimum 45 seconds to ransack the place and that's assuming he starts cranking instantly

[hearty lotus]

Crewmates fault 😭😭

[molten panther]

but Zeekers just extended the crank start time

Jester is more shy about cranking in public these days

[hearty lotus]

I’m always cranking in public

[pliant radish]

that's like no time though 😭 i will admit it is a bit of a skissue but i still hate him

[jaunty ocean]

god why hasn't someone made a forest giant remaster mod yet. it's such an obvious mod idea and it'd get so many downloads

[molten panther]

point is, if you wanna put a monster mod into LC, you should on principle make the monster 100% safe to deal with on its own, but complicated to overcome with the addition of other threats within the facility

[jaunty ocean]

before someone says "make it yourself" pleasae i have little to no unity erxperience

[molten panther]

mind you when I say "100% safe" I don't mean easily, that's an entity to entity basis

Like, Spore Lizards are clearly way easier to deal with than coilheads

[hearty lotus]

Give the monster a principle but don’t make it too weak or something along those lines

[pliant radish]

not to brag heh hmh but moosneer is a great example of an enemy that's safe on it's own

[molten panther]

congrats, you've passed the bare minimum requirement for good enemy design

[jaunty ocean]

can i have an example on how to deal with it to prove it :)

[pliant radish]

tsk no big deal heh

[molten panther]

just don't be mean to him

Mr. Sneer is a fine fellow he just has sensitive eyes

[hearty lotus]

No one saw a thing

There was nothing above this message

[molten panther]

anyway I'm still not 100% certain how Fiend works, I just know he hides on ceilings, doesn't know how to open doors, gets stunned by flashlights, and gets pissed off if you do that too many times

[hearty lotus]

I’m sure there’s more in store

Little repost of a video

[molten panther]

ah yeah and the door kicks when he's angered

[hearty lotus]

I’m certain that this is the tip of the iceberg for this mod

[pliant radish]

i mean, i hope he's simple tbh

[molten panther]

I mean, it's just a single enemy mod

[jaunty ocean]

so true

so true

so true

[pliant radish]

LC enemies are like ingredients for a great stew you can't just also stuff in a cake into the concoction yknow it's gonna be small

[molten panther]

yeh like, unique interaction with light, hard-countered by doors, stealth based enemy, you've got a pretty clean idea with all the elements so far

the main question on everyone's minds is just, what do you do when you're being chased

[hearty lotus]

The mod author is cooking something up I can smell it

[molten panther]

is it purely "go through a door, he's a chump"?

[pliant radish]

@indigo garden curious if you need an animator c: id love to give him a real creepy locomotion walk

[molten panther]

do you not like his wiggles

[pliant radish]

it's a lil goofy

[hearty lotus]

He gets jiggy with it

[molten panther]

he's SO jiggy

[jaunty ocean]

i would maybe make it so they turn slow, so with enough twists and turns you can lose em

[pliant radish]

thumper :

[molten panther]

not just thumper

most enemies can be juked to some extent

[jaunty ocean]

the thumper just crashes into every wall it sees
tje fiend is sophisticated and does not charge into brick wall

[molten panther]

including the bracken

(though only at loowwwwww weight)

[pliant radish]

yea before thumper crashing into walls it'd just have a bad turning radius

[molten panther]

well tbf old thumper was just bugged

[hearty lotus]

The walker from diversity is so attractive, I wish he was real

❤️😩

[molten panther]

....huh?

[pliant radish]

i liked old thumper to be honest

new one is one hell of a pushover

[jaunty ocean]

actually i think masked try to predict your movement so you can't juke them, maybe you could give that to fiend

[molten panther]

bro old thumper was even easier

[jaunty ocean]

you're lying

[molten panther]

old thumper you hit once and could chain-hit to death

[hearty lotus]

The walker is such a bad itch

Tho

[pliant radish]

is that not the case rn?

[molten panther]

new thumper keeps movin' even after being hit

new thumper moves WAY more after being hit

old thumper got stopped dead

[pliant radish]

oh i didn't know he just stops lol

[molten panther]

yeah no old thumper movement got set to 0 when you smacked him

[pliant radish]

probably cloudeed by inexperience then cause i always ran away from old thumper

[molten panther]

and his acceleration was l o w

like, when he roared he would also set his speed to 0

[jaunty ocean]

alternatively make his hitbox so big you can't squeeze past him

[molten panther]

so you could trigger the roar and run up to beat the shit outta him

and as long as you were at a good distance you just won

[hearty lotus]

Tell me this isn’t hot

[molten panther]

it'sssss a humanoid

[hearty lotus]

Perfect body

[molten panther]

Fiend isn't really a big boi

he's more of a scrunky lil grimbo man

[hearty lotus]

I got to go before I do something nefarious

[stiff bane]

Twig ?

[late walrus]

Pray you dont need it

[molten panther]

from what I've gleaned he can be baited around carefully

[indigo garden]

i

[stiff bane]

He just wants a hug

He's lonely

[jaunty ocean]

👁️

[late walrus]

Your forum seems to have exploded

[molten panther]

I guess the big question on everyone's mind

what is it that you want Fiend to actually do

and also, how do you go to the top of a thread

[jaunty ocean]

you cant

[molten panther]

gdi Discord

[late walrus]

You press middle mouse button and you ZOOM

[indigo garden]

oh my 1.5k messages

[molten panther]

so this was the OG mission statement from the beginning

I think most of the confusion is around the hiding, seeking, and hide/seeking elements

[indigo garden]

seeking he will make no sound and try to find you, but its slow

[jaunty ocean]

i think it'd be funny if their spawnrate was doubled if a shower was on in the ship

[indigo garden]

hide and seek is where you gotta find him else he goes on a rampage, but i prob change the name

[late walrus]

Possibly the question is when Hide & Seek would be triggered

[indigo garden]

random tick time prob

[molten panther]

you'll want to make sure it's clear what stage he's in

[wind pendant]

no way bro slept 6 hours and immediately goes back to coding

[molten panther]

if you don't know whether you're trying to find him or hide from him then you're screwed

[wind pendant]

most dedicated LC modder

[jaunty ocean]

gotta make quota through modding

[wind pendant]

for the quota🗣️🗣️🗣️

[late walrus]

A audio cue probably would fix that tbh, or maybe a screen effect.

That's up to the modder tho

[indigo garden]

he has backround audio so you can hear him

[wind pendant]

so is he just reverse jester

where when you hear him you have to run towards him rather then away

[indigo garden]

no

[wind pendant]

i meant as in hide in seek mechanic

[indigo garden]

Ambience sound

[indigo garden]

he will hide on the ceiling at his spawn position

[wind pendant]

hmm

interesting

[late walrus]

You can hear it in multiple videos. Just scroll up. ^^

[indigo garden]

these some old clips

[wind pendant]

probably not that loud compared to the bracken neck snap

[late walrus]

The splat sound is the same splat sound as the Ghost girl (Masa thinks) so you could most likely base it around that tbh

Apologies if Masa's assumptions are wrong on that but it does sound similar to the ghost girl death sound

[wind pendant]

hmm i noticed that in rinse and repeat hes described as fear in which youve manifested

would he spawn as part of high paranoia?

he absolutely would fit with stuff like the remastered insanity mod

[indigo garden]

I think

[late walrus]

Could be a neat idea to make the spawn rate depending on your sanity level maybe

[wind pendant]

he can taste the fear ............

depends on if you want fiend to be more original or more like his source material

either way is respectable

[bold valley]

that would be cool, that would require adding spawn weight in the middle of a game which im not even sure if its possible

[wind pendant]

maybe he could have like

a chance to spawn every hour

[late walrus]

Yeah that does sound iffy and complicated. Thoguh perhaps you could have him already 'spawned in' but trigger a phase when someone hits a certain level of insanity?

Dump bro in a wall and yoink bro out of the wall when its crazy time

[wind pendant]

i should draw this guy ngl

fiending

[indigo garden]

its prob not

but his spawn chance is a line

[bold valley]

what does this mean?

[gritty widget]

This mod looks pretty interesting, just got a look of it

[pliant radish]

👋

[wind pendant]

also you should take breaks every now and then cause you might end up getting burnt out (especially with all these suggestions

[wind pendant]

ensuring this inspiring modder doesnt randomly spontaneously combust (modder's syndrome)

[late walrus]

It isss. Love the guy and his temper tantrums and his little games and his goofy walk

[indigo garden]

Oh really? can I see you work

[late walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/oe-object-explosion-object-explosion-rebooted-oe-rebooted-spartan-dash-gif-22181051

[gritty widget]

The enemy seems like a pretty tasking character to deal with, in a good way
But it makes me wonder about how he’ll be in the mix with other enemies in game
Imagine he was just a solo enemy you had to worry about consistently lol

[wind pendant]

i always imagined him intimidating you by killing creatures like hoarder bugs

showing you whos the player and whos controlling the game

i doubt he gets along very well with any of the interior mobs

except maybe bracken i feel like theyd play uno together

[gritty widget]

That’d be so damn scary lol, a enemy just gets in the way of his game and he goes haywire

[wind pendant]

fiend when the guys he was trying to play with dies to a random hoarder

[pliant radish]

currently i don't have much of a portfolio for animation but here is some of my recent work!

[wind pendant]

no way

[pliant radish]

actually, probably shouldn't show that sneer one woops

[wind pendant]

moonsneer leak in fiend channel

[pliant radish]

shh

[indigo garden]

lol

hmm

im see i can import the rig

[wind pendant]

blud is getting so fired from moonsneer corp 😭

shlawg accidentally pulled a war thunder goverment documents

[pliant radish]

i should be able to rig it for animation in blender and then you can reimport it me thinks

[pliant radish]

ay yea that should work

[indigo garden]

the bones are not attach

[pliant radish]

that's fine, gives me more creativity for squash n stretch :)

[wind pendant]

he looks so awkward

fiend waiting in line at a gas station counter

[late walrus]

Bones are not attached....

LOOKS AT BADASSCOMPANY

[indigo garden]

oh there is fbx exporter

[pliant radish]

yee as just fbx with skeleton and i can go to town

[wind pendant]

chat is this real

[late walrus]

Real

[wind pendant]

this is a pivotal moment in fiend history

[late walrus]

dot is fiending

[wind pendant]

we boutta fiend up in here 🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥

[zenith shadow]

just checked your work on twt, really amazing stuff!!

[pliant radish]

kinda feel like he's the kinda feller to have a hobble, reminds me of scp 106 in a way

[late walrus]

Funfact btw

Before Masa knew about this coming fro ma existing game, Masa thought that this was supposed to be like a representation of a Masked cultist or some sort of fiendish being tied to Masks lmao

[pliant radish]

yummy

[late walrus]

Mainly because of the hop the guy has

[pliant radish]

got his textures as well?

[wind pendant]

hahaha !!!! fool .....

this was part of my secret plan

ok time to make fiend 2 (100% more iron deficiency)

[pliant radish]

didn't seem to export?

[pliant radish]

have to set the export format to binary, blender doesn't like ASCII fbx

nvm he's real!!!

[wind pendant]

the fiend

the fiend is real

https://tenor.com/view/one-pice-gif-26834018

[indigo garden]

very nicely done

[pliant radish]

do you mind if i make adjustments to the rig? seems to have exported at 14 degrees and naming scheme is super wrong

[indigo garden]

Not sure animations would work but should do

[indigo garden]

Think of this as model replace mod, you have to keep the rig the same

[pliant radish]

hmm i see, cause blender can't support symmetry with the current setup

well i'll see what i can do

[wind pendant]

i dont imagine fiend to be a very symmetric moving guy

[pliant radish]

no i mean like, his bones are symmetrical but blender doesn't detect them as such because they dont have .L or .R

[wind pendant]

i imagine him more like drunk uncle

[indigo garden]

hm

[pliant radish]

I can always make a shell rig to retarget it to if adjusting the rig is a hassle

[indigo garden]

if it don't change any names think it's alright

[wind pendant]

if every lc modded and vanilla monster was part of a family

[pliant radish]

yea in that case ill just make a shell rig

[wind pendant]

who do you think fiend would be

i think he'd be creepy uncle that makes a coin appear from behind you ear and then disappears for 7 years

[pliant radish]

without a doub

[indigo garden]

He's very board and wants to mess with you cuz it's fun for him

[wind pendant]

fiending

does fiend have a bestiary entry yet i just realized that

what would sigurd rate him

danger level

[pliant radish]

friend

[indigo garden]

I need to make video of him turning around.. not sure how

[wind pendant]

the bestiary scan?

[indigo garden]

Yes

[wind pendant]

hmm

[indigo garden]

Can you make hide animation he goes in a ball, and make a rage animation?

[wind pendant]

i know moonsneer has figured it out

for how to make the bestiary videos

maybe you can ask one of the devs (also i just realized how weird the lc modding ecosystem really is)

[pliant radish]

sure thing, how much of a hassle would it be to reimport the rig?

this rig is givin' me a uhh.. lot of trouble..

[indigo garden]

drag and drop, and then reference the object but is that just rig or with mesh aswell

[pliant radish]

rig

[indigo garden]

Maybe okay then

[pliant radish]

well i guess both? id needa redo the weights in the mesh so yea both

[indigo garden]

I think I can change the mesh anyways

[pliant radish]

bless

[wind pendant]

fiend development is really fast ngl i just realized that

bro is cooking at the speed of light

[indigo garden]

I can't work till later cuz at school/collage

[wind pendant]

zamn

college student that balances school and coding an lc mod in an relatively unstable ecosystem and doesnt accept donations

this is truly the beginning of history

a saint of the lc modding world

[late walrus]

This just means they're gonna cook harder when everything is figured out

Ecosystem aint ready for em

[indigo garden]

After I will probably make outside enemy

[wind pendant]

blud really saw all the simple chasing enemy mods and all the vague guys and decided that lc needed to be blessed with a real enemy

this guys def going into the company epics

[late walrus]

Yo? Actually? Holy shit, the only other outside enemy Masa's seen around in development is Ooblterra

OH and the metal crab actually

[wind pendant]

theres also tolietleech

[late walrus]

Oh. Right. That.

😭

[indigo garden]

Maybe versions of the giants with special abilities, but I will brainstorm After fiend

[wind pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/punisher-the-punisher-wait-no-panicking-gif-22139346

giants

words cannot describe how much i hate vanilla giants

[pliant radish]

definitely my least favorite enemy

[wind pendant]

they pretty much make eclipsed offense unplayable

[late walrus]

Masa's had a idea personally of like, enemy & interior variants based on the moon. But Masa's not a coder and the previous two ideas had like, 0 messages/interests so Masa never really continued posting lmao

Also an idea of things to do outside like hunting, fishing, pillaging randomly generated nests/lairs of certain enemies etc. That one's typed out but like, never sent lol

[wind pendant]

yo more stuff like the beehives would def be fire tho

baboon hawk nests .....

[late walrus]

Real. Imagine a lair with a sleeping giant

[wind pendant]

eyeless dog puppies

sandworm spice

[late walrus]

Plenty of ideas you can make for the outside

[wind pendant]

the spice must flow

[late walrus]

Heck, maybe even a special suit that lets you survive while inside of the sandworm so you can play pinocchio and extract unique scraps from inside the worm

[wind pendant]

this aint 2012 minecraft schlawg 😭

you are not getting a whole ass sandworm inside dungeon

[late walrus]

We're getting a whole ass sandworm interior

🔫

[wind pendant]

anyways i think we should keep this fiend related

take the fiendpill

[late walrus]

True true. was moreso trying to subtly give ideas for the project after the fiend LMAO

Gotta love the fiend

[wind pendant]

fiend for president 2024

[indigo garden]

What's the rarity for rolling giant to spawn

[pliant radish]

haven't done assymetrical anims in a while, fun little warmup

[wind pendant]

iirc it was 40 something

thats what it was when i checked my settings

and i dont think ive touched rolling giant spawnrates

[late walrus]

Rolling Giants like, guaranteed spawned atleast one time every match when set to spawn outside

[wind pendant]

damn bro is OMINOUS

[wind pendant]

i fucking hate the march giants so fucking much brroo

march rolling giants

both suck

but the march rolling giants like

they just appear out of fucking nowhere

and kill you instantly if you dont drop everything and run

[late walrus]

First one's fire already, ngl.

[indigo garden]

In lc it'd the rolling shorty

[pliant radish]

i also changed up it's proportions a little so it looks more humanoid

[wind pendant]

bro went from "im gonna getcha hehehe" to "HOW CAN YOU EXPECT TO RUN FROM ME WHEN IM RIGHT HERE?"

[indigo garden]

Mesn more Demon?

[pliant radish]

sorta

[wind pendant]

he looks way more menacing

[gritty widget]

Feels like even when I put him to a low spawn rate he’ll spawn 3 times lol

[pliant radish]

excellent

[wind pendant]

and also differentiates the model from like

rinse and repeat

[late walrus]

real

[gritty widget]

Is there a max amount limit we can put on him in the config? I haven’t looked for that

[wind pendant]

for the rolling giant? yeah

[late walrus]

If youre talking about the rolling giants, no clue. Wasnt too interested in the mod so kinda yoinked it out of the pack after 1 hour of playing

[wind pendant]

rolling giant is one of my favorite custom monsters

hes fucking ominous in the scoopys castle interior

he really fits the atmosphere

[gritty widget]

He’s really cool but he really forces your hand individually when he full aggros on you

Cause then it’s just constantly training him

[wind pendant]

i like his unpredictability

one of my guys looked at him for 20 seconds trying to figure out what it was one time

while me and another guy got chased in a different moon

[frozen spoke]

Man

This
Shrimp
Snatching Bracken
Shy Guy
Rolling Giant
Reworked Masked

it will be a nightmare inside

[pliant radish]

didn't even include moonsneer.. crying

[wind pendant]

moonsneer is gonna come out in 2026

[smoky hinge]

Didn't even include The Walker... Crying too LOL

[late walrus]

Crabs, Boomba, Walkers, Moonsneer, Demo Gorgonzola

[indigo garden]

I should make mod pack that adds bunch of custom made content and inside-outside enemies after fiend

called like CrazyCompany (like crazy craft in mc lol)

[late walrus]

Demo---
LMAO AUTOCORRECT

[wind pendant]

the horror

[late walrus]

FiendishCompany

[wind pendant]

mfw fiend and the moonsneer team up

literally 173 with a picture of 096

[frozen spoke]

forgot boomba

[pliant radish]

i think more 096 and 106

[frozen spoke]

moonsneer idk

[indigo garden]

I didn't know what features that guy had and kinda made them for my character. The possibly lol

[wind pendant]

i was thinking of the flashlight mechanics for the both of them

[pliant radish]

i think they're distinct enough

fiend is hurt by flashies, sneer is aggro'd by flashies

[wind pendant]

cause they have completely different mechanics for flashlights

yeah

[indigo garden]

What if I make fiend be able to break the freaking power box lmao just rip it off the wall

[late walrus]

True

Fiend & Sneer are the modded version of Coil & Bracken duo

RIP IT OFF--

LMAO

[wind pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/1000-quota-stare-lethal-company-1000-yard-stare-gif-8412969833343799422

mfw fiend and the diversity bracken

[indigo garden]

Combo

But fiend is power 3 so don't think they spawn together

[pliant radish]

thinkin' of how to get accross his limp in his run

[wind pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-anime-attack-on-titan-gif-18290963

[smoky hinge]

The true combo is both our door kicking entities

[indigo garden]

Btw no point animating the neck

[pliant radish]

why not?

[indigo garden]

Because the code moves it

[late walrus]

"Oh you dont wanna play hide & seek with me? FINE!"

R I P S

[pliant radish]

oh, i had animated the head anyway

[indigo garden]

Idk I'd that will look weird

[smoky hinge]

Yeah the Ai makes it look at the targeted player so no need to move it

[wind pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/struggle-sisyphus-gif-4952086791107433131

[frozen spoke]

Imagine that

once we have lots of enemy mods

[pliant radish]

does the run rn look weird to you? was thinking i can just get rid of his hobble

[frozen spoke]

wonder if they will attack or interract with eachother

[smoky hinge]

I mean technically he could animate while still using code to look at the player... It's not too hard to set up tbh

[frozen spoke]

like shy guy

[smoky hinge]

But that's just preference at this point

[frozen spoke]

or hoarding bug messing up with another monster like bracken

[wind pendant]

leave that to the fairai dev

[pliant radish]

i dont think he needs to look at the player when sprinting anyway

[indigo garden]

I think it will get disabled because moving head in a fixed update

Fixed updates are so faster then normal updates

[wind pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/run-gif-12578901436723796885

new fiend running anim

[smoky hinge]

If you use avatar masks you can achieve this

[indigo garden]

It will disabled the head turn when he grabs you

[smoky hinge]

Well yes and no. Depends on what frequency Zeekers set the fixed update to be on LC and how much frames you got. Higherframe = more update calls

[frosty totem]

Please, absolutely, just like the doors, rip it off and chuck it, totally fits the darkness vibe

[smoky hinge]

And higher frequency = higher fixedupdate calls

[indigo garden]

So it's always smooth

At any frame

[smoky hinge]

True yeah

Avoids the usage of Time.Deltatime

[wind pendant]

dude this mod is gonna be so hype

random event leads to the whole model being remodeled and reanimated

[indigo garden]

@pliant radish

[pliant radish]

this is the run anim tho, not the grab

[indigo garden]

I'm saying

[pliant radish]

was thinking he could like claw at you while running but maybe not?

or are you just saying to not animate the head at all?

[indigo garden]

Cry and grab he won't turn his head in that animation

[pliant radish]

so just dont animate it at all?

[wind pendant]

think he means his cry and grab anims dont move their heads

but the rest do i think

[pliant radish]

understood

[indigo garden]

If you animating the neck then yeah but head could work I'm just thinking would it look normal

[pliant radish]

what do you think of the run/sprint atm?

[indigo garden]

Better then what I can do

[pliant radish]

haha fair enough

[indigo garden]

[wind pendant]

is his stun animation like

him just covering his eyes as like part of a game or him genuinely being in anguish from the flashlight

[indigo garden]

His eyes burnt

Fr

[pliant radish]

is "grab" the kill anim btw?

[late walrus]

[wind pendant]

duuuudee

imagine flashing a light at him and he takes a few steps back as he covers his eyes in pain

[indigo garden]

Yeah, but you can make another animation called ripheadoff because that he does

[wind pendant]

and it gets less effective the second time as he shakes it off

[pliant radish]

oh he rips your head off? i can do some fun with that

[wind pendant]

and the third time being the rage

[indigo garden]

Which I could make player look side ways

For cool effect

[pliant radish]

like, rip off from the neck?

[indigo garden]

Yep like ghost girl does

[pliant radish]

i can work with that

[wind pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/forge-blacksmiths-creating-a-weapon-gif-16530724

fiend development on January 30th for some reason

[late walrus]

Actually peak

[indigo garden]

It did start like 4 days ago

[ornate saffron]

Flat earther when they realize there balls are round

[late walrus]

Wish Masa could be this based but got no experience

[pliant radish]

we all start from somewhere!

[indigo garden]

I was roblox dev for like 3 years and used unity for 1 year, I usually make games and liked making mods using dnspy

Never made mod like this before

[pliant radish]

come give him a big ol hug

[late walrus]

Shouldve started 6 years ago ;w; but yeah coding is the goal

[wind pendant]

wonder what the new model looks like textured

[late walrus]

JUST REALIZED HIS FACE LOOKS LIKE AKU

[pliant radish]

when you can role dm the textures

[indigo garden]

Hang up that computer call and come kiss-

[pliant radish]

gonna go snorr mmimi, lets see if i can get a grab kill done tmr, night

[late walrus]

Ayo

[indigo garden]

Why

[wind pendant]

schlawg i was planning to draw that of him 😭😭😭

[indigo garden]

There one texture

[wind pendant]

with how he bursts open the door

[indigo garden]

It's in this chat btw

Scroll up

Or look for embedded stuff

[wind pendant]

g

here it is

[indigo garden]

Thank for finding that

lol discord mobile suck

[wind pendant]

np

[jaunty ocean]

with these textures he looks like some sort of sun god statue

[indigo garden]

Lol but flash in the eyes reminds of like zeekerss game where you take picture of it to stun cuz he hate pictures xd

[wind pendant]

oh shit

imagine compat with lethalsnap lol

[indigo garden]

there could be someone out there going make mod called better fiend ai, which is cool I guess

[wind pendant]

i feel like fiend ai is already complex enough

id argue its bracken level

maybe higher

[indigo garden]

Youtubers can get views if they make a review on this mod progress maybe

"This crazy enemy is coming to lethal company..."

[indigo garden]

When powerlevel is max 3

[wind pendant]

yeah

wild how the bunker spider is same powerlevel as mf shyguy or this guy

who decided that bunker spider should be lvl 3???

[indigo garden]

I think lvl 3 means if there is one lvl3 there won't be any more of them or something

[wind pendant]

no

its just like

a cap for moons

so that harder moons have a higher power cap

lvl and max amount of enemies seems to be different things

[indigo garden]

I saw power level 3 on exp

[wind pendant]

yeah

so its 3/4 power lvl

[indigo garden]

Ghost girl is level 2 which is wild

[wind pendant]

since spider is 3

and exper is max 4 power

[indigo garden]

Never seen 4 power

They just 3

[wind pendant]

no its like a cap

for the how powerful entities can be on a moon

[indigo garden]

ig

[wind pendant]

so take for example exper

it has a max of 4

power lvl

spider is 3 power

snare flea is 1

so exper can have

1 spider and 1 snare flea

or 4 snare flea

[indigo garden]

I made it so only 2 fiends can spawn

[wind pendant]

yeah power lvl and max spawn is completely different

[indigo garden]

[wind pendant]

since thumper and bracken are same power lvl

but there can be 4 max thumpers but only 1 bracken max

[indigo garden]

yeah

Fiend rarity is 10

[wind pendant]

so thatd make him a bit rarer then a bracken on exper

[indigo garden]

But remember two fiends can spawn so harder moons rip

[wind pendant]

you can check the spawnlists and entity rarities on the lethal company wiki

to adjust for each moon if you want

it seems that alot of mods nowawdays just keep a fixed spawn

which is pretty bleh

[indigo garden]

Cannot find sadly

For rarity

[wind pendant]

theyre on each individual moon

this is experimentations page

[indigo garden]

K

[late walrus]

You know what? Masa might try and begin the mod journey

The fiending is motivating

[undone owl]

Yes as a treat

That is if the creator wants lol

[wind pendant]

you know the modding scene is fresh when the modders want MORE work

like leaving a peeled banana on a counter

[indigo garden]

I'm very motivated on this project

[late walrus]

Your motivation is infectious

[wind pendant]

the big bang of the lethalverse

[late walrus]

RAAAAH

[frosty totem]

The motivation is true, I have 0 experience with Unity, C# and Blender but the primal urge to create is there

[late walrus]

Dew it

Make that 0 experience 1 experience

Now the experience can spawn

..Let's not talk about the fact the value is usually -1 for disabling though, whilst 0 being Default

Or so thats what the configuration told Masa in game

[indigo garden]

I saw making configuration will be hard

[wind pendant]

man that argument was as pointless as the lockpicker

hope you didnt lose any motivation from it

[indigo garden]

I didn't, I just felt bad

[wind pendant]

you shouldnt be

you wanted to make a mod and didnt know someone was in the middle of making another

being uninformed isnt a sin

[indigo garden]

But it's bad that he made it like 3 months

[wind pendant]

thats not exactly your fault now is it

and besides

just as batby said

[indigo garden]

Well I think his mod and mine can work together

[wind pendant]

what youre doing and what noops doing are completely different things

[indigo garden]

Doesn't moon shows when it's all dark

[wind pendant]

i genuinely have no idea and im pretty sure noop prefers for it to stay that way

[indigo garden]

My enemy will have ability to rip off the power box

😇

[wind pendant]

anyways what the moonsneer does is what they do and what you do is you do

[indigo garden]

I know

[wind pendant]

dont let what they do demotivate you or force you to change

anyways i have zero (0) hours of sleep and i just had my monthly dose of random stupid ass argument

so i have no clue when im going to completely shatter

anyways good luck with modding

[indigo garden]

@pliant radish I also use grab animation to break doors, pull and push animation be nice

[pliant radish]

Why not just make a new anim? Just have him KICK down a door

[frosty totem]

https://tenor.com/view/anger-foot-kicking-door-doors-gif-25947446

[indigo garden]

I also want him to grab stuff and throw it

[frosty totem]

Can damage be applied to the doors? Almost as if it were considered a projectile?

[pliant radish]

Isn't he becoming a smidge complex?

[indigo garden]

Wdym

Grab stuff like the power box

And break it

[pliant radish]

He plays hide and seek, kicks down doors, hides on the ceiling, can grab and throw stuff and is stunned by flashies

[indigo garden]

I already did half the stuff

[pliant radish]

Compared to like coilhead who is just fast when you don't look at him

Yes I know but imo the simplicity of the enemies is the charm

[indigo garden]

this is mod 😭 and no one knows what game this guy is from

[frosty totem]

I'm guessing the rarity and hiding will balance him out, like if he's chilling on a ceiling and you know where he is you can avoid him?

[indigo garden]

or some atleast

[indigo garden]

Yeah but he will unhide after 60s

[pliant radish]

Having an enemy do like 6 different things kind of clashes with the other very simple enemies

[indigo garden]

yeah but these stuff are rare

The modes are base on rng

[pliant radish]

So is jester so is coilhead so are more t3s

[tender grove]

This mod is very hype

[indigo garden]

If people don't like it then don't install it

[pliant radish]

Yea but that makes the enemy just unclear, imagine if the bracken just had a chance to decide to play under completely different rules

[indigo garden]

sometimes he isnt nervous and just charges at you

[pliant radish]

After you stare at him

[sinful turret]

An enemy being complex doesn't make it unclear, it just means you have to learn more

[pliant radish]

He isn't rng at all he always functions under the same rules

[indigo garden]

I meant like if he randomly changed behaviors

The log about the character is going be long lol