Mirage

[deft cape]

too easy to spot fakes once u play enough

[quaint leaf]

What's v2 gonna offer

[deft cape]

oh have u not seen it yet? 1 sec

[quaint leaf]

I haven't seen this thread till today

[vestal pecan]

can you have it set so you won't hear your own voice at all

[quaint leaf]

I thought that was already a feature

Check config

[deft cape]

@quaint leaf #1200695291972685926 message

[deft cape]

yeah what loot bug said

i think it's "MuteLocalPlayerVoice"

set that to true

[vestal pecan]

even when your spectating

[deft cape]

ah in that case

should be "LocalPlayerVolume"

[quaint leaf]

So excited!

[deft cape]

set that to 0

[vestal pecan]

ok

[deft cape]

probably gonna see results soon since we've been working on it for awhile

just out of town rn but once im back it'll be grind time

[vestal pecan]

when i remake the pack I will do that we were getting a weird Echo Reverb

[deft cape]

the echo reverb thing should only happen inside interiors

is it different for u

cuz im using the exact same zeekers uses to make the voices sound identical

[vestal pecan]

were in spectator mode we heard our own voice pretty much after we said something we heard the words repeat again

[deft cape]

u mean the same voiceline is played multiple times in a row?

that shouldjt happen unless u only have a few voice clips recorded

[vestal pecan]

it sound like it like you say Bob when you're a spectator mode the monster said Bob in a different monster said Bob

[deft cape]

could u possibly record that the next time u play

cuz that doesnt sound normal

i just wanna sre what it's like so i potentially know how to fix it

[vestal pecan]

if it does happen again

[deft cape]

doesnt seem to be an issue for most scenarios but it could be some weird edge case

[vestal pecan]

that's why I asked if we can turn off hear own voice

[deft cape]

shouldnt need to though

if it really is bugged ill try and investigate

[vestal pecan]

if it does pop up I will make sure I clip it in the live stream

[deft cape]

yeah that'd be really helpful

also if you could drop a log if it happens, that'll make it easier for me to debug as well

[ionic shoal]

i swear there was something it did, which mirage didnt, and vica versa... but now its missing (the setting i was refering to at the time o.o)

im more working on a generic ai mod, i will add stuff to the masked coding by piggy and hopefully improve that end of the things, but for me its going to be more of a broader AI tweak, so if you want to add in something to your mod, that might conflict, if people find it does, I can always discuss with you and work out how that can be resolved, or i can just add the functionality in to the masked coding or vica versa or something i d k.

and yeah, no thread or anything yet.. progress from me is going to be slow though so i wouldent expect one anytime soon. xD

[viral obsidian]

Without pauses this would be torture yeah. (Biased since this is kind of how I write too lol)

[ionic shoal]

verbose gang ftw!

[grand wyvern]

If Mirage is able to copy players cosmetics and suit to look exactly the same as one player, is it also possible that he changes the model if you use custom models as example if your palyermodel would run around like this? https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Aper/FallGuyModel/

[deft cape]

would be up to the cosmetic mod itself to support masked enemies

mirage doesnt do anything special for it to be supported

[deft cape]

ah bet yeah, for compat it's probably just gonna be me reworking stuff slightly so it becomes easy for you to play voice clips as well

[grand wyvern]

Alright good to know thanks :)

[ionic shoal]

so i remembered something thats in MEOF, but i dont think in mirage.

mirage can hide the mask, but MEOF/MEO also has a setting for making the mask appear when the mask goes to kill you, could that be added to mirage? or is it already a part of mirage? (i wouldent know because i use MEOF still xD)

after that it would truly only be "zombie apocalypse" that is unique to MEO/MEOF, and ngl, people who want zombie apocalypse probably dont want many masked spamming their voices so wouldent want mirage or skinwalkers... meaning people can actually leave out MEOF/MEO unless they want that feature 😮

[deft cape]

does the mask appear when they're close to you? or when they're actually going in for the kill

(like touching the player)

[alpine owl]

Hello! Me and my friends are hearing voices from masked but they arent synced or from the same person!

[ionic shoal]

going in for the kill.

like.. if they are next to you, no mask, but the moment they decide to attack you, the mask appears with like a fade in animation (i think), so like,if i walk up to them, they have no mask, i whack them with a shovel, they suddenly go aggressive and the mask appears

[deft cape]

do you have skinwalkers installed?

[deft cape]

ah sounds simple enough then, i could add that

edit: jk just read that again, if i add this it'd have to be later since it doesnt seem to be something i could quickly add

[alpine owl]

I do have it but its disabled

[deft cape]

thats odd, mirage voices should be synced without doing anything specific

do u have the default config

[alpine owl]

no, we changed the delay in voice playbacks and made some enemies mimic voices.

[deft cape]

what about "MuteLocalPlayerVoice" and "LocalPlayerVolume"? what are those set to?

[alpine owl]

its false and 1

[deft cape]

weird..

not sure then sorry

[viral obsidian]

No errors in console I'm guessing too?

[waxen mist]

Sorry, I have a question that maybe has been asked before: Does Mirage add considerable lag to the game? I have a friend that has an older pc and was wondering if i should leave it enabled or disabled for when I share the profile

[deft cape]

there shouldnt be lag, but best thing to do is to have them try it and see

although mirage is required on all clients so if one person doesnt run it, things might not run as expected

[waxen mist]

Alright, thanks!

[static galleon]

Hey! Hello, I have a question, why is Mirage considered better than Skinwalkers? '^'

[trail cargo]

Better voice replication + much better situational playback from my experience

it also comes with a lot of improvements for Masked built in

instead of needing a second mod to make masked believable

[viral obsidian]

Main reason I'd say is because the voices are synced so other people will actually hear what you do

[ionic shoal]

maybe a bug.. bracken killed my friend, and a masked spawn from their body, bracken still tried to drag the masked away, was quite bugged out, i killed the masked, whacked the bracken, and only then did it fix (when i whacked the bracken. lol)

[deft cape]

if a bracken is dragging a masked enemy, that's definitely from mirage since there's no ai changes

for spawning the masked from their body, if SpawnOnPlayerDeath is set to 0, that doesn't sound intended

although in that case i do want to confirm if you're actually seeing the masked enemy come back to life as soon as the player dies

since previous reports of that was actually something completely different

[ionic shoal]

sorry, didnt explain it well, was still playing, the masked wasnt being moved, but the bracken was still trying to drag them, it was very slowly dragging away an invisible "object"

the masked seemed stuck in place, i watched my friend die, sadly wasnt recording.. but they realised the bracken wasnt being normal.. so i just "toyed" with the bracken, and realised it was bugged to hell.

i think basically, the masked was fine.. but was locked in place (because it was supposed to be being dragged away by the bracken) and the bracken was locked in the drag animation, but it couldent drag the masked.

I am using a few mods which maybe causing the issue though, one sec.

so...
EverythingCanDie
SellBodiesFixed
TakeThatMaskOff
Mirage
MaskedEnemyReworkFixed (Coppertiel)
MaskedAIRevamp

have no mods for the bracken.

takethatmaskoff was semi working as it took the mask off, but the player body didnt drop.. so that maybe broken, or it maybe because mirage resapwning a player as a masked is different from a player being turned into a masked by another masked?

but yeah, i figured it was mirage spawning the masked from the dead player that caused the bracken to bug out, as i assume the bracken AI was not expecting the player it snapped the neck of to turn into a masked. so it tried to carry the body away until i whacked it.

full mod list here.

[deft cape]

unless bracken ais are made to drag masked players, the SpawnOnPlayerDeath feature shouldn't matter in this case

cuz if the dragging logic is specific to players

there's no possible chance the masked player would also have a PlayerControllerB

[ionic shoal]

then they should let go once it turns into a masked. but whatif there is lag, and it started dragging, and it wasnt expecting the change. so it kept dragging?

[deft cape]

i think this is something that lunxara ran into before, but again i'm pretty sure it's not related to mirage

[ionic shoal]

i should say, im in europe, but my friend who died.. is in america, so high ping is a thing.

[deft cape]

is there log spam while it's lagging

oh lag as in high ping nvm

well that shouldn't matter im pretty sure

[ionic shoal]

yeah. i dont mean actual lag xD

well, just thought id report it, found it funny more than anything, bracken was like hopping on 1 leg then stopping almost,, then continued and repeat.

[deft cape]

ah

yeah i appreciate the report, just confident that it's not from mirage so not much of a point for me to look into it

[last rock]

Hello, in the configuration I set the natural spawn to false but the masks still spawn naturally

any idea to counter that ?

[ionic shoal]

is that the drop down box? my config has a text box saying false, i think thats an old setting xD

EnableOverrideSpawnChance = the setting you need i beleive

[deft cape]

honestlh this is such an old setting that i forgot ot exists

you could try setting EnableOverrideSpawnChance to true and then set the spawn chance itself to 0

[deft cape]

alright finally back, time to work on v2

[graceful latch]

YOOO let's go!

[eternal bridge]

can i beta test once you've got a version out?

after all i am a beta tester, i mean.. i got the role

[deft cape]

once i feel like it's at least ready yeah

i'll likely have it up on the MirageExperimental package when i need ppl to beta test

[eternal bridge]

yuss

but can i get like

early acsess??? mmm

err

i dunno..,

[deft cape]

if i don't think it's ready there's not much of a point tbh

since oeis and i would be constantly changing things

when a public beta test is ready that's when we've more or less stablized things and need some actual tests

[eternal bridge]

ahh

OHH wait that actually makes a lot of sense

i guess i'll just help with suggestions and anylizing things?

[deft cape]

feedback is always welcome

[eternal bridge]

ye

i can help with tailoring to small friend groups

[deft cape]

not sure what u mean by that

but either way once the beta test is out, i'd love to hear feedback of course

[eternal bridge]

kinda like

idk making it more user friendly?? idk

nvm,

one thing i got now is maybe a lil more config options?

[deft cape]

we're already trying to make it as user friendly as possible

like for v2 it's mostly just, install cuda drivers if you have an nvidia card, and other than that, all the voice recognition + ml stuff should do its thing by itself without requiring the user to do anything

[eternal bridge]

one thing i have been noticing while toying around in singleplayer is that even with NoRepeat, the masked men still say the same stuff.

it's way more common if there's a small clip pool though...

[deft cape]

it still says multiple of the same thing in a row?

[eternal bridge]

yeah

like i'll play all my soundboard sounds and it'll repeat the same ones a couple times

[deft cape]

the way NoRepeat works rn is like this:

lets say you have 3 voice clips, indicated as [A, B, C].
mirage picks a random voice clip, e.g. C, so the remaining choices are [A, B].
mirage picks another random voice clip, e.g. A, so the remaining choices are [B].
mirage picks another random voice clip, e.g. B, so the remaining choices are [] (nothing).
since there's no more available voice clips, it'll fill the pool again, and since there's 3 voice clips, it becomes [A, B, C] again.
out of coincidence since it picks a random voice clip, it might pick B since it's in the pool, despite it having picked B last

i decided not to fix that since voice clips fill up pretty fast

so it's highly unlikely for the same clip to repeat twice in a row

if it's more than twice in a row that's definitely a bug though

[eternal bridge]

so if i only play 3 sounds and never do anything again, it won't speak again?

[deft cape]

no it will

it just refills the pool again

once it runs out

[eternal bridge]

idea: non mask entities (maybe the ghost girl and bracken?) can mimic sound effects (dropping items, picking them up, walking, etc. but it's very rare. like REALLY rare

[deft cape]

honestly for features like that it's unlikely i'll add them, re: #1200695291972685926 message

just would rather focus on v2 and making v2 good

[dusty silo]

hi, will it be possible to add a config for masked enemy to change their hp? like in MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork by Coppertiel

just want to kill em by shovel in one punch..

[viral obsidian]

Doubt this'll be added but barch has the final say ofc

[light jacinth]

scope creep is a thing. i think barch is right to just focus on the core concepts of mirage v2.

also im sure there's a mod out there that modifies monster HPs

[deft cape]

yeah making masked as customizable as possible is not ome of my goals

imo this is one of the scenarios where it's perfect to use meof alongside mirage

[deft cape]

anyone here with an nvidia gpu without cuda installed mind helping me test something?

it's not gonna be anything interesting though FYI, i just want to make sure i have cuda packaged properly, so users don't have to install the drivers manually

[light jacinth]

i thought all nvidia gpus had cuda

oh the drivers

so in v2, i have an AMD GPU and someone else in the lobby has an Nvidia GPU.. the idea is that the other person’s Nvidia GPU will do the heavy lifting to make v2 features work for me (who has no CUDA)?

i believe that’s how you described it before. if that’s the case, i have some questions about it.
doesn’t that mean the AMD users have to send all their audio files to the Nvidia users for the GPU to process with its AI to select the best sound bits?

[deft cape]

pretty much yeah

[deft cape]

so i've decided to just simplify it a bit and make it so that only the host can do this (if they have an nvidia card)

since whenever audio is streamed over to other clients

it has to be sent to the host first already

the host already has the audio, so it'll just have to transcribe it, and then send the results back to the target client

[light jacinth]

that’s different from v1 isn’t it?
since everyone kept their own audio and not the host.
but yeah the host having the audio would certainly make things easier if they have the AI to process it for non-CUDA GPUs.

[deft cape]

in v2 everyone still keeps their own audio, not sure if i said different plans but i decided to keep the streaming logic mostly the same, only reworking some parts to fix the issues that the original one had

having the host do it is definitely the simplest solution, and is probably what people expect anyways, since you generally have the player with the beefiest pc as the host

[light jacinth]

is the AI u using gonna use lot of vram or ram?

[deft cape]

don't think so, but i also haven't really measured it yet

[light jacinth]

what kinda gpu u got

[deft cape]

2080ti

[tawdry bough]

does host pc performance affect everyone else? or just personal performance is affected the more people there are? i was always curious.

for lethal in general.

[deft cape]

host just has to do more calculations than a regular client, their pc performance won't affect everyone else

main reason to have someone with a better pc on host is to not degrade the gameplay experience for someone with a bad pc

[light jacinth]

11gb of vram? what a funny number.

i think most people have 8gb vram these days

[buoyant jacinth]

3060 is the most popular gpu according to steam hardware tho and neither 6 or 8gb of this card are being popular anywhere

v2 sounds like both super fun thing and a pretty complicated one at the same time

[deft cape]

should be more than enough on 6-8gb of vram im pretty sure

progress update: unfortunately might be stuck for the next 1-3 days while i figure out some performance problems. there's a pretty huge problem with the voice recognition stuff that's making it run approx 10x slower than it should be

[buoyant jacinth]

Don't forget about the game itself, possible other mods and windows/discord/browser eating additional 4-6gb vram besides the AI
Back when I was on 1060 6gb this really made me go iGPU + gpu instead of normal configuration due to "need more vram" heh

[light jacinth]

dont think ive seen windows/discord/browser eat much vram.. regular ram yes

[deft cape]

i'll try and get some numbers later on, but if it does end up eating too much vram, there won't be too much i can do about that

[light jacinth]

i think from my last modpack of around 150 mods.. it ate a lot more RAM than vanilla. as for VRAM i dont recall tbh. i dont see why it would unless higher resolution textures or high poly models.. AI stuff definitely eats up VRAM if ur using the GPU to run the model tho.

what model u guys using 😮

[deft cape]

models are here

[light jacinth]

oh yeah thats certainly mini compared to something like llama

[buoyant jacinth]

I remember seeing around 3gb vram being used without any games launched after using Windows without shutting down for a day or something like that

As of lethal company - I didn't check vram but I think it used around 2gb vram

[light jacinth]

i have windows. no games just discord, discord stream, and browser open.. only using 1.2gb vram rn

[buoyant jacinth]

I currently have separate gpu for games so it's relatively easy to check how much they actually use

[buoyant jacinth]

Hardware acceleration on?

[light jacinth]

yes

[buoyant jacinth]

For me I remember explorer itself(windows has much more than just Explorer under Explorer.exe but eeh) using 2gb vram at some point so I had to manually restart it all the time

[buoyant jacinth]

Interesting...

[light jacinth]

maybe u got a bunch of stuff running in the background?

in the system tray

[buoyant jacinth]

I doubt that

But due to those kind of things I switched to iGPU for output and light tasks as a habit as I really needed more gpu vram

Since it literally used almost all the vram of gpu and left almost nothing for other tasks

[light jacinth]

what ur display resolution

[buoyant jacinth]

1080p 16:9

[light jacinth]

well there's ur issue. ur gaming at too high of a resolution. 720p is the way. ||im joking.||

[buoyant jacinth]

I mean when I didn't have gpu it was the right way technically

Even tho I had 48gb ram

Now it's 3060 12gb so I don't have vram issue(tarkov has memory leaks btw and uses all of it)

[light jacinth]

ah i think ive heard about tarkov's memory leaks.. and i dont even play that game lol

[buoyant jacinth]

I also got 4060 which is 8gb. It's fun card. Powerful enough to play 1440p 120fps, not enough vram to play it so it crashes (Hogwarts Legacy for example)

[buoyant jacinth]

Opening a game in 1080p and immediately met with 8gb vram used which after an hour turned into 11gb was fun

[deft cape]

pretty much the same, only have discord and a bunch of browser tabs opened right now

[buoyant jacinth]

Welp, I guess I got a weird windows install, maybe having more than just Latin is increasing ram/vram usage a bit?

[light jacinth]

ur talking about windows language?

[buoyant jacinth]

My windows is using several languages yeah

[light jacinth]

idk if it adds more. but i have english and japanese.

[buoyant jacinth]

Yeah doesn't add up either... Hmm... Weird

[light jacinth]

oh no

the cryptominers got you

👻

[buoyant jacinth]

I definitely do remember stuff like steam web helper using 0.5gb, discord about 0.5-1gb

I mean I got windows iso from official Microsoft website

[tall adder]

@deft cape @light jacinth I freed you from prison

[deft cape]

thanks 🥺

[light jacinth]

bruh qwbarch got imprisoned too? xD

[tall adder]

We've uh, had to ban that particular word due to scammers, haha

[light jacinth]

ah i see

[deft cape]

yeah i realized as soon as i got timed out lmao

[buoyant jacinth]

Wait which word?

[light jacinth]

🤫

u wanna go to prison too?

[deft cape]

🤣

[tall adder]

some crypto terms, hehe

[buoyant jacinth]

I wouldn't mind

[tall adder]

I think you've earned those 5 minutes

I'm trying to eat and go to bed

[deft cape]

LMAOO

[tall adder]

meowtrix found the forbidden words

[deft cape]

meowtrix out here playing it risky

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/fafo-findout-fuckaround-fuckaroundandfindout-you-gif-26826252

[buoyant jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[tall adder]

Don't say I never did nothing for ya

[deft cape]

[buoyant jacinth]

Enjoy your meal

[light jacinth]

u know its funny how me and barch both used the forbidden word around the same time xD

i did see u typing earlier and then stopped. i guess thats why.

[buoyant jacinth]

Oh right

[buoyant jacinth]

That's how I live tho

[lilac saffron]

Is the word related to "mine"craft by any chance? ;)

[deft cape]

LOL yeah my message was "mirage v2 <REDACTED> off meowtrix next"

[buoyant jacinth]

Miner

[deft cape]

YEP

[buoyant jacinth]

I guess we found different ban words

[lilac saffron]

Lmao

[deft cape]

it's probably more or less the same

[buoyant jacinth]

I found that some coins are illegal

[deft cape]

anyways for mirage v2 progress, seems like it'll be slowed down for a bit again sadly just because i need to figure out performance issues, which is gonna be a huge pain to figure out

likely no updates for a couple days until i figure that issue out

[buoyant jacinth]

I am curious why is mirage on fs

[deft cape]

the language?

[buoyant jacinth]

Mhm

[deft cape]

i have functional brain rot

[buoyant jacinth]

Ah

Great

That explains it

[deft cape]

🤣

[buoyant jacinth]

Imma go back to python and enjoy oop

[deft cape]

honestly i just dont like C# too much

i don't like F# either though

but it's just slightly better ergonomics to me personally

[buoyant jacinth]

So there is a mod called Player Bracken

And i wanted to.. Uhh... "Inspire myself" by your mimics using actual player models instead of how default D class

[deft cape]

wdym, you're trying to do something like PlayerBracken does?

[buoyant jacinth]

Basically PlayerBracken but your way of setting player model onto Bracken if possible

[deft cape]

ah you're trying to fix the fact that it's on default models eh

[buoyant jacinth]

And then turning off all the sound effects for Bracken up until he is angwy at u

[deft cape]

(at least im assuming since ive never used it b4)

so the thing is, mirage actually does absolutely nothing in order to support suits/cosmetics/etc

it's just supported by the base game itself

i only make it pick the mimicking player and the game does the rest

for the bracken you'd have to re-implement all the logic

and then the problem is that for every cosmetic mod you'd have to add support for it as well since they'd by default only support masked enemies

might not be worth all the trouble to do that

[buoyant jacinth]

Reflection it goes?

[deft cape]

don't think that'd really help

for replacing the suit itself you could grab off the player probably

and i'm assuming that's what playerbracken does

but for everything else you'd have to manually add in

[buoyant jacinth]

I am pretty sure it just takes default orange suit model and puts it on Bracken lol

And adds nameplate which is fun

[deft cape]

yeah i just mean like if you want to support cosmetics and all

i guess if it's only the suit you want to do

then that's simple enough

[buoyant jacinth]

I wanna make my friends not trust anyone at all and get schizophrenia from stuff like insanity remastered

And turn off nameplates for players too

[deft cape]

since mirage has a component on every EnemyAI that picks a player to mimic, you wouldn't need to do any networking yourself as well

if your goal is to just pretty much make it the same as playerbracken but it picks the correct suit then i could try to point you towards the right direction

[buoyant jacinth]

Ig I'll look at mimic code through dnspy and see if it can be added to Bracken

[deft cape]

you wouldn't directly be able to add a MaskedPlayerEnemy script to the bracken

what are you specifically looking to reference from MaskedPlayerEnemy?

it's possible what you need might be in one of the components that mirage has

[buoyant jacinth]

Might be but currently can't check anything as I'm on job atm xd

Doing aboslutely nothing as they've forgotten to assign task for me and I'm pretending to work

[deft cape]

paid to be on discord

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[buoyant jacinth]

They've spotted me, not anymore

[deft cape]

😭

[buoyant jacinth]

Earning money per hour as a dev is kinda funny

Being slow and Ineffecient is beneficial

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-slow-american-american-dad-working-at-work-gif-13737282

[viral obsidian]

This applies to most jobs, no?

[buoyant jacinth]

Most with payment per hour

There are some cases when it's fine tho

[ionic shoal]

so, me as the host... would find my GPU only requiring to do extra? not a problem just making sure i understand.

[buoyant jacinth]

Most likely yeah. Your(Host) GPU will do the work and send voice lines to all clients

[broken mango]

Asking, what settings should I do in general improvements to avoid conflicts

[deft cape]

yep what meowtrix said

[shut cobalt]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[deft cape]

😂

[deft cape]

if ur talking about the masked settings, probably better to let mirage handle it

as in for who to mimic and whatnot

[broken mango]

So set it all to false?

Besides the mask not spinning on radar now

[deft cape]

for GI lunxara confirmed it's 100% compatible with the name tags

yeah thats fine as well

[deft cape]

i forgot what the settings are called but

anything thats for mimicking the player, removing arms out, removing mask texture, just leave it for mirage instead

[shut cobalt]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[broken mango]

okay then

[deft cape]

lemme take a look

[deft cape]

so i see it uses coqui-ai/tts, which was one of the first things oeis considered using, but the issue with this is just how inaccurate the voices sound.
when we tried the demo, it sounded very robot-like and couldn't get the tones right, and overall would be an instant giveaway that the voice is fake.

the issue with generating voices on the fly as far as im aware is just, the tech isn't quite there yet, at least not for this use-case.
if wendigo's was able to fix this issue that'd be pretty cool, but i can't see how it'll fix some of the challenges of working with this kind of tech, such as:

• matching the way someone expresses themselves (monotone, or someone very expressive in the way they talk)
• accents: what if they're not a native speaker? you can auto-detect accents, but some people might have slightly different accents, and you can't 100% replicate that

this is why for mirage v2, we're sticking to the approach of recording voice clips like usual, and then instead of generating anything new, it'll respond with the best match instead (while learning over-time how you respond to certain phrases, so it can use that clip as the optimal choice)

[shut cobalt]

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[deft cape]

generating voices has a lot of potential though of course, especially when tech advances enough to make it hard to tell the difference

just that for now the approach for mirage v2 makes more sense (biased opinion of course)

i'd recommend everyone to just try both

[light jacinth]

mirage v3 be like AI voice replication

[deft cape]

mirage v4 be irl replication

[shut cobalt]

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[buoyant jacinth]

I genuinely thought it's default until I pointed out

I think I need better glasses

[buoyant jacinth]

Neurolink?

[deft cape]

😳

[buoyant jacinth]

Cyberpunk is real?

Imagine how real the games would feel tho

And how scary even the "simplest" horrors would be

And how nightmarish bugs would be

Or development...

[deft cape]

i still haven't played cyberpunk yet so idk the lore 😔

[buoyant jacinth]

Neither do I, never cared enough

[lilac saffron]

Me too, I have an important exam so no time

Once I'm done I'll go on a gaming craze

[deft cape]

same once v2 is done im probably chilling for a bit

[buoyant jacinth]

Oh right

Exams...

Gosh I hate studying in college , not because it's bad to study/learn but rather Cuz it's actually useless and is just stress

[lilac saffron]

I'm still not in college the exam I'm studying for will determine my future basically

It's like the sat but our country's version

[lilac saffron]

Well deserved tbh

[livid rose]

I think the solution of just using recordings will also be the best option since not a lot of people might be comfortable having their voice fed into an AI to replicate it with all the misgivigns around AI these days. Ill be interested in seein how this goes tho :3 excited fer v2

[deft cape]

not a lot of people might be comfortable having their voice fed into an AI to replicate it
true that's a very good point

[rain mountain]

all of the generation would be done locally wouldn't it? concerns over feeding voice into an ai kind of reads as fearmongering to me

[deft cape]

it would be done locally, but lots of people aren't comfortable with it so it's a fair point

hell even just having your voice recorded (for a mod that replays your voice) is something a lot of people aren't comfortable with

[rain mountain]

well then its not really a concern, the would-be mod just wouldn't be for you. the real concern would be your voice data being used without permission, which is not possible if everything is done locally

there are a lot of genuine ethical questions regarding the use of generative AI in video games but i feel like a lot of concerns just stem from not understanding how it works or how the data is being used

and of course i don't think it should be forced on anyone if they don't consent to that

[deft cape]

either way i still think mox's point is valid if i want v2 to be as accessible as possible, doing any voice replication would alienate a group of people who aren't comfortable with that, whether the data is saved locally or not

although it not being used for v2 has more to do with the fact that the tech isn't quite there yet, rather than for privacy concerns

[rain mountain]

yeah fairs, none of this stuff really applies since it's not going in mirage but i just wanted to give my thoughts

[deft cape]

i do agree that there's a lot of misunderstanding on how it works and how the data is being used, but the ethical concerns people have is also valid, except that's a whole other topic of its own

[livid rose]

nodnods Yeah when I initially read about the AI plans i was hesitant cuz of my own concerns ye overall im really lookin forward to the future of this mod tho :3

[quasi karma]

Thanks for this great mod qwbarch. Is there any chance you can integrate the Reveal Mask When Attacking mechanic from the MaskedEnemyOverhaul?

[deft cape]

i might add it since there's been a ton of requests for it, but that'd have to be after v2 is done

although i do want to point out if you want to use it right now, use #1231104141594595368 with the Dont Touch MaskedPlayerEnemy.mimickingPlayer config set to true

[uncut atlas]

@deft cape Question, are masked supposed to have a nameplate over them? Just noticed thme having it for the first time but in the past they didn't

[deft cape]

don't think so since people request for that to be a thing. do you have GeneralImprovements? i think that feature was added to it recently

[uncut atlas]

It was that indeed, thank you so much 😄

[terse shuttle]

what's the value for "OverrideSpawnChance" to guarrantee a masked enemy spawn every round? I tried 100 but nothing seemed to spawn

[deft cape]

the default is pretty much that, i guess it's a bit misleading, but the "spawn chance" percentage is based on the percentages you'd get based on the spawn weights

in this case leaving it at the default (20) should make it spawn every round

since my goal with that setting is to have 1-2 spawn every round

[uncut atlas]

Interesting, is that why sometimes when we spawn in there is 3-6 already on the map?

[deft cape]

if you have more than 2 that just means another mod is overriding the max spawns

mirage has it set to only have 2 masked enemies max

[terse shuttle]

I see, thank you! Also will disabling "UseCustomSpawnCurve" mean they'll spawn in at the beginning?

[deft cape]

yep, disabling that just uses the vanilla spawn curve

[terse shuttle]

thank you!

[terse shuttle]

After doing more testing with the default spawn value, spawn curve disabled, and zombification at 100 - We still cant find any naturally spawning masked enemies, we're on assurance. Zombification works but no natural spawns, we've done like 10 rounds

Only mods we have are morecompany, mirage, mimics, lategame upgrades, and toomanyemotes which the mimic did an emote from which was cool

[deft cape]

@terse shuttle can you send your logs

[terse shuttle]

do you know where I can access them?

[deft cape]

if you go to settings and then put logs in the search bar, there should be a button that copies your logs i think

[deft cape]

hmm the spawn weights are getting adjusted

can you send your profile code

ill just take a quick look

[terse shuttle]

also scarily, right now a mimic just played back something I didnt say today

018f7f48-76ef-bd65-a508-1db3fab9d907

[deft cape]

hmm honestly not sure why it wouldn't be spawning

i don't really see anything wrong in particular

[deft cape]

in this log, is this a game u played normally, or were you manually spawning masked enemies? i see a ton of them in the logs

[terse shuttle]

basically all we did was spawn in, die to test zombification and run around the interiors to see if any were wandering around

we werent using like a menu to spawn them if that's what you mean

there were 3 of us but only 2 of us would die to zombifiy at any given time

[deft cape]

if you died to test zombification that's probably why

at least i think

cuz i have masked enemies set to 2 max

while zombification ignores that, natural spawns follows that rule

[terse shuttle]

we did try rounds without dying where we'd just wander around but nothing spawned there either

[deft cape]

weird

idk the issue though sorry 😓

since mirage's custom spawns isn't working for you i'd just turn that off and get a spawn control mod instead

i like #1213985212686532638 but it can be a bit hard to use at first

you could always try using #1231104141594595368 for its spawn control as well

[terse shuttle]

thank you! I'll look into them, and if anything I'd be fine with just zombification since we tend to wander off solo anyways

[buoyant jacinth]

I think having it in a config may be helpful in this case, like.. Have it at False by default and if person wants to then they can get Ai voice of themselves

[deft cape]

i was referring to the different approaches for v2, whether it's the current one (saving audio clips and responding with the best match), vs generating voice clips

i'm assuming what you're talking about is just having the new v2 features vs the current v1 features, which is definitely already planned to be optional

the AI stuff requires quite large dependencies since pytorch needs to be bundled, so users who want to use it will have to download a separate package, and that'll be the way to opt-in

[buoyant jacinth]

Yeah I know. I meant that additionally voice Gen as option in even further future

[deft cape]

oh nah not really worth the effort for that imo, unless generating voice clips is accurate enough

which at its current state it just feels like the tech isn't quite there yet so no point

[buoyant jacinth]

Fair enough

But kinda sad too heh

I wonder how it'll react on recordings of just keyboard or coughs or even bugged voice which happens once in a while

[random harbor]

i got masked enemies with no bodies and only heads, we were wearing suits from moresuits, is it possible to fix it?

[lilac saffron]

I'm pretty sure there's a new voice recognition system that basically eliminates keyboard sounds however I am not sure about coughs or bugged voice

[deft cape]

to be fair if you do want to have generated voices, you could always try #1238924468626391181 message

[deft cape]

that's not an issue from mirage so i'm not sure how to fix that, sorry

[random harbor]

oh i see

[deft cape]

like melon said, keyboard sounds shouldn't be much of an issue anymore since v2 uses SileroVAD, so it won't record keyboard noises if the actual player's voice isn't detected.
for coughs and whatnot though, it'll still be present for sure. we'll see how it goes later when oeis and i are done hooking up our code together

[random harbor]

i dunno if any other mods change the masked unfortunately, altho i have brutal company minus installed

[deft cape]

could you go to your mod manager -> settings -> copy logs? there could be errors that'd point towards a certain mod

maybe it won't have anything but it's worth taking a look

[buoyant jacinth]

I mean in a sense having just keyboard sound may be a fun thing too

[random harbor]

is this what you need?

[deft cape]

main reason i have it filtered out now is the amount of "false positive" voice clips it records

so in v2 it should save a ton of storage space

[deft cape]

main error being spammed:

UnityEngine.Component.CompareTag (System.String tag) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0001)
EnemyAI.EnableEnemyMesh (System.Boolean enable, System.Boolean overrideDoNotSet) (at <09f109276c764f589f47f312aab5547a>:IL_004C)
StartOfRound.SetPlayerSafeInShip () (at <09f109276c764f589f47f312aab5547a>:IL_008B)
AudioReverbTrigger.ChangeAudioReverbForPlayer (GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB pScript) (at <09f109276c764f589f47f312aab5547a>:IL_0177)
AudioReverbTrigger.OnTriggerStay (UnityEngine.Collider other) (at <09f109276c764f589f47f312aab5547a>:IL_018B)

looks related to your issue, although can't really pinpoint what mod this is coming from off the error alone

[buoyant jacinth]

Oh yeah, fair point

[random harbor]

the mods i have are

• Brutal Company Minus
• Crosshair
• EladsHUD
• FeralMinimap
• ShipLootPlus
• Hold Scan Button
• Item Quickswitch
• Mirage
• MoreCompany
• MoreSuits
• Lobby Control
• Quota Rollover
• Reserved Items Suite (Flashlight, Walkie, Utility and Weapon)
• Snatchin Bracken
• Scopophobia
• ToggleMute

[deft cape]

idk which mod the issue is coming from sadly

[random harbor]

ah, no worries

thanks for taking the time to look into my issue

[broken mango]

So v2 is still gonna have the AI stuff where it tries to use clips to match people's way of speaking

[deft cape]

pretty much yeah

[light jacinth]

is all the cuda driver stuff and ai model gonna still be downloaded even if u dont got nvidia?

or that’s pretty much gonna be included with mod from get go

[deft cape]

it's included with the mod from the get go

[light jacinth]

me when i have drivers that my hardware could never possibly utilize: 🥹

[deft cape]

[glossy plinth]

Hi, really love the mod. I was wondering if Id be able to change the spawn rate to like a static 20% give or take. I see the default value is 15, but it spawns quite a lot so I'm wondering what I should change it to, (or should I just change EnableOverrideSpawnChance to false?) Still kinda new to the game so having it spawn nearly every time is a bit too much haha

[deft cape]

overriding the spawn chance is definitely a bit misleading, i'd say try setting it to something like 3-5% instead

[glossy plinth]

Gotcha, ty! Dumb question maybe, but does everyone in my lobby need to change it, or just the host?

[deft cape]

just the host

[glossy plinth]

Appreciate ya

[deft cape]

all settings are synced, except for a couple (which is noted by those specific settings anyways)

[ember parrot]

How can I fix this?

[deft cape]

can you go to your mod manager -> settings -> copy logs

and then paste it here

[light jacinth]

did u die from a mask and then get revived?

[deft cape]

damn don't see any errors

[deft cape]

@ember parrot did this potentially happen

im wondering if SpawnOnPlayerDeath might be bugged again

[ember parrot]

No, I was just testing the modpack.

And then I discovered it.

[deft cape]

were you using a mod to spawn the masked enemies in

cuz those should be completely fine

[ember parrot]

I only use the Mirage functionality.

[deft cape]

was it a natural spawn

masked not erroring but also not killing you is usually a sign of desync

at least from my experience while doing tests

i.e. it exists on the client but not the host

for whatever reason

[light jacinth]

if he was testing, he’s probably host

[deft cape]

oh wait true lmao

[ember parrot]

So I found a new bug?

[light jacinth]

prob a mod conflict

the question is which mod

wonder if lunx knows anything

[deft cape]

pretty sure @solemn ridge hasn't had any issues with mirage for quite awhile now

otherwise i probably would've heard about it

[ember parrot]

Then I will check if there are errors in the logs.

[deft cape]

i already looked, there wasnt anything of interest as far as i can tell

[ember parrot]

All I found was a Masked spawn. And the fact that he copied player #0.

Should I drop off the list of mods that I have installed?

Maybe this will help?

[deft cape]

without any error messages or anything pointing towards a specific mod, it's gonna be really hard to know what it comes from

you're 100% sure it's from a natural spawn right

if it's spawned from a player dying (via SpawnOnPlayerDeath) then it's possible it's from mirage

if it's a natural spawn then it's definitely not a mirage issue

[ember parrot]

I didn't add anything related to Masked except Mirage.

It's very strange.

Oh, I made a mistake, I have TakeTheMaskOff installed. Maybe I should contact #1185732310700654732

[viral obsidian]

I mean they can just trial and error it with their mod list no? Ofc not much you can do without the profile code

[ember parrot]

I guess I'll just disable the Masked spawn.

[deft cape]

yeah i just mean even with a profile code, i don't have the time to load into the game for every user that has issues, so to try and troubleshoot, i only look at their mod list and error logs

in this case since there's no errors that point towards a specific mod, even if i know what other mods there are, i still wouldn't know what it's coming from

[deft cape]

i don't think TakeThatMaskOff would cause that problem, since it only drops a mask item on the ground when a masked enemy dies (i think?)

[ionic shoal]

ok, take that mask off i also use, it rarely bugs out, but sometimes, when the masked dies.. it doesnt drop the mask, it gets stuck on its face shaking, if you touch them it glitches everything out afaik.

[deft cape]

wait

isn't that the problem they're having? or not quite

or maybe i'm just misunderstanding you actually

[ionic shoal]

i d k, i was just explaining my experience, love that mod, but.. it has bugged out once or twice... as i say, the mask doesnt come off, then someone walks on the corpse, and then there was lots of log spam, i forget what broke though, but, im pretty sure lots broke.

[deft cape]

ah yeah sounds unrelated then actually

[viral obsidian]

Oh yeah not suggesting you do that, just saying it would be the only thing that you could do

[ionic shoal]

in that log file..
[Info :LethalExpansion(core)]

^ doesnt that break tonnes nowadays?

[viral obsidian]

The mask shakes on Masked enemies anyway I think, just don't notice it until you get close

[deft cape]

i doubt LEC would be the reason it's breaking anyways

[ionic shoal]

yes, but when they die with "take that mask off" mod, the mask should fall off, when it bugs out, they stay shaking on the face, because the game thinks they are still alive, so you step on the corpse,... and they kill you, and the game bugs out then.

[deft cape]

but @ember parrot if you're on the latest versions of LLL you shouldn't be using LE anyways

[viral obsidian]

Ah yeah that I wouldn't know about

Just pointing out a quirk in how the mask attaching works 🙂

[ionic shoal]

which is why i was providing benefit of my experience xD

[buoyant jacinth]

Wait what happens if U do

Also I find it funny how LLL broke routing to company and fixed it just to break leaving the company

[ionic shoal]

tbh, i only realised today, spent a lot of today watching a masked use a terminal, its mask bobbing away, never realised before.

[ionic shoal]

it broke leaving the company now? x.x

[viral obsidian]

I'd have experience with my mod 😅

[buoyant jacinth]

Yeah there is a mod to fix it but it's hilarious

[viral obsidian]

Yeah it's missing a null check, Batby knows

[ember parrot]

I've been correcting these errors for a week now.

[light jacinth]

u can never leave the company

[deft cape]

they're just not compatible anymore afaik. probably better to stick to the previous version (with it being broken with routing to the company building), and install TerminalFormatter as a fix

[ember parrot]

I'm tired . . .

[light jacinth]

u will be an employee forever

[ionic shoal]

yes xD i wasnt that hyper focused before.. but, yeah, you work with something... you focus on them so hard, you see every little detail x.x

[buoyant jacinth]

TerminalFormatter fixes that?

[deft cape]

the previous version yeah

not the latest

[buoyant jacinth]

Interesting

Latest has separate mod fix

Aight

[deft cape]

@ember parrot i would at least try to set SpawnOnPlayerDeath to 0 for now just to confirm it's not mirage, cuz that's the only setting that could potentially cause this problem (from mirage at least)

and if it still occurs, it's probably a mod conflict of some sort

but from the way you described the issue i'm not even too sure, cuz natural spawns isn't handled by mirage (i only modify the spawn weights, but the vanilla game still handles the spawns)

[ember parrot]

I'll check it right now.

[deft cape]

how often does this issue happen anyways?

[ember parrot]

Every time.

[deft cape]

wait is this in a solo game rn?

[ember parrot]

No exceptions.

[deft cape]

when ur testing

[ember parrot]

Yes, I check everything in a single player game.

[deft cape]

like what steps are you doing to replicate this issue

if you have steps i can follow i can try replicating it as well to see if i have the problem

[buoyant jacinth]

I remember vanilla bug I found by accident - if possessed by a mask + eaten by a mimic U get 2 mimics out of your corpse

And i wonder that since it may count as death - can you get 4 mimics with that feature

[deft cape]

SpawnOnPlayerDeath has a check to only run once in that round

and only if it's not from another masked enemy killing you, or a mask possessing you

[buoyant jacinth]

Ah, then still 2 mimics only

[ember parrot]

All I do is just fly to the planet. He spawns on the street, while I forbade him to appear outside the complex.

[buoyant jacinth]

Homeless mimic

[deft cape]

😂

@ember parrot so is the way to replicate this pretty much: start a new game, load into experimentation, wait until a masked enemy spawns

can you drop your profile code as well, i'll just do a quick check despite what i said earlier, since this wouldn't take too much time for me to at least take a look

[ember parrot]

In fact, how lucky I am that the Lethal Company has such a developed modding. At any time, you have the opportunity to ask for this or that information. It beautiful.
Masked has not appeared at the moment.

[lilac saffron]

the english immaculate

[viral obsidian]

Well depends on the mod, but yeah most active ones have their devs available 🙂

[ember parrot]

The same thing happens.

He can't grab me. He's just walking in circles.

[buoyant jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/yay-happy-dance-birds-water-gif-11148827

[buoyant jacinth]

Don't judge, not everyone has English as native or at least as "well sometimes it's used in a country " language

[ember parrot]

The last time I studied it was at the age of 6.

[ember parrot]

The point of human communication is to convey certain information to the interlocutor. I think you understood what information I was trying to convey.

I can't write correctly in English. But at the same time, you understand me, so what's the problem?

@deft cape Don't think about my problem. I'm just not going to use the spawn Masked feature.

[deft cape]

ah sounds good, let me know if you ever have any other questions

[ember parrot]

Thank you for trying to solve my problem. I did not expect such a heated discussion of the bug of some lost Internet user.

[hollow violet]

I may spend some time trouble shooting this because ive noticed that any time my friends mistakenly teleport my dead body/mimic body to the ship, it also does the same song & dance of following my friends, but not attacking them.

[lilac saffron]

i didnt mean it in a mocking way

its literally immaculate

[hollow violet]

The only two mods i have that touch the masked are GI and mirage so it shouldn’t be hard to catch whats happening.

[deft cape]

@hollow violet do you have SpawnOnPlayerDeath enabled as well?

i'm really just guessing that it's the cause of the issue

[ember parrot]

If this is really the case, then I apologize.

[lilac saffron]

i also apologize with how i worded my sentence

i dont blame you for thinking i was mocking the way you type

[hollow violet]

Yee

[light jacinth]

i think melon really does mean it as a compliment.
ur sentences are written in a very clean and formal way.
quite uncommon in public chats and forums.

[ionic shoal]

erm....

#help-and-troubleshooting message

seems mirage, MEOF and GI are popping up in multiple issues atm.. not sure the issues are related, but i dont know specifically what the other issue is, aside from masked "looking" at something and erroring, is there error logs for this issue saying the same? 😮

[viral obsidian]

General Improvements had recent updates, no? Maybe they can try downgrade and see if that helps

[deft cape]

i highly doubt it's a GI issue tbh

but i'm not sure either

i swear i remember seeing that error a long time ago, and it was caused by specific moons

like whenever i'd step on the ship of specific modded moons, it'd start to error out

@wispy frost do you remember what happens in game when this happens?

[wispy frost]

Masked just stood there.

Existing - Nothing more.

This even continued after taking off from the moon

[ionic shoal]

using https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SZAKI/EnemyFix/ ?

the reason i ask is, the masked should despawn, sounds like it isnt. that mod should make them despawn (at least thats what it says)

the masked just standing there sounds correct for an AI thats basically gone braindead due to being stopped mid-way through doing something.

[wispy frost]

No, I don't think I have this mod installed.

I should also mention that the masked is always in front of the vent.

Basically spawned broken

[ionic shoal]

then, imho, upon spawning,... the AI is modified, and breaks instantly.. leading to a shell just standing there... the errors persist.. because it then doesnt despawn either... so maybe something bigger at play than just the AI being broken...

[wispy frost]

No sure what that means 🤔

[ionic shoal]

its letting you know it did its job? xD

[deft cape]

does this happen often

masked enemies being stuck at vents is a vanilla bug AFAIK

[wispy frost]

Quite often, yes.

Never had this issue in Vanilla before.

Keeps spamming until it Unity just crashes 😅

I'll go to sleep now.

Please ping me so I can get back to the conversation tomorrow

[deft cape]

when did this start happening? might be easier to pinpoint where the issue comes from if we could pinpoint if it came from a mod update.
also could you send a full log when this issue occurs?

[fathom dust]

@deft cape Masks crying/laughing is broken and not functioning as intended, which is a vanilla feature they’re supposed to have. You can read how it’s supposed to work here, since Enemy Sound Fixes now fixes the issue: #1239435358555472003 message

I bring this up because I’m not sure if this is something you want them to do while your mod is active, so you may be interested in either disabling this entirely or only for masked players (leaving the mask items alone)

[deft cape]

i think it'd be better to leave that for that mod to fix itself, since it doesn't ruin the experience for mirage, especially since it's a vanilla bug

[fathom dust]

The mod does fix the issue, but I'm referring to the interaction between the fix and MIrage, since having the masks laugh/cry over player dialogue might be against what you want

[deft cape]

ah that's true

how loud is it even? i don't even notice it at all tbh

[fathom dust]

Not that loud I don't think, but I'll be playing with it tonight so I can give you examples if we run into any

[deft cape]

bet sounds good, thanks!

if it is noticable then i'll add an option to have it disabled (with it on by default), but if it doesn't really matter, then i'll probably just leave it as is

[wispy frost]

I think this started around the time when Mirage updated to support other monsters for voice lines🤔

Will send the log next time it happens 🙂

[sturdy python]

Don't think EnemyFix will fix the issue, all it does is just make sure dead(?) enemies get despawned properly when leaving a moon

on the other hand I did notice the same "Masked sitting in front of the vent they spawned from" when I played with besties yesterday

[ionic shoal]

i passed on enemy fix to stop the log spam AFTER the level has ended xD not to fix the issue.

[ionic shoal]

yeah, id assume the masked laughing and crying all the time kind of makes it clear they arent your friend xD

[sturdy python]

real

[buoyant jacinth]

I mean

Mirage laughed at my friend using my laugh relatively a lot

He actually fell for it even tho we were testing the modpack so we stayed in discord call without mute xd

[ionic shoal]

if its the laugh ive heard while spawning masked sometimes, i dont know anyone who laughs like that, ive heard it ingame and gone "wtf is that", i never knew it was related to masked until like, 2 weeks ago.

[buoyant jacinth]

Funny

I mean the weirdest thing was the fact that my friend had a proper convo for a lil bit with that mimic

So it was fun to see him die to it and realize xd

[ionic shoal]

xD

[buoyant jacinth]

For a json file

THIS DOES NOT SOUND NICE xd

[ionic shoal]

whats that?

[buoyant jacinth]

Just something I found in thunderstore folder

[ionic shoal]

oh lol.

[deft cape]

interesting that's a long time ago, although that also wouldn't be the cause for sure

[deft cape]

LMAOO

[buoyant jacinth]

I just stayed quiet and watched him talk with mimic until he killed him

That was hilarious

[deft cape]

funny enough when i was testing before, i couldn't always tell the difference at first

was only able to tell after i got used to their robotic movements afterwards

[buoyant jacinth]

On one hand - having lots of mimic will be fun Cuz u never know who's who(nameplate off btw)

On the other having them relatively rare will cause chaos when he appears and there is two of you

Not having any items is also a giveaway

[buoyant jacinth]

But sometimes players are mimicking mimics which is also fun

Actually.. Can you make mimics sometimes hold/switch items in hands?

Would be amazing for more fun

Or even use freaking honks like bugs with symbosis(?) mod I think

[deft cape]

On one hand - having lots of mimic will be fun Cuz u never know who's who(nameplate off btw)
On the other having them relatively rare will cause chaos when he appears and there is two of you

100% agreed, seeing it less makes the interactions more impactful, i just have default spawns quite high by default because IMO it's more fun to see it more often, but i might tone it down just cuz new players tend to not like that

[deft cape]

so i was going to add this, but VirusTLNR is working on #1240985198485573743, and it probably fits better there, since i probably won't be doing much updates other than for the voice mimicking features specifically

for any masked ai changes, it's probably better to just suggest it there

[buoyant jacinth]

Aw meen

[buoyant jacinth]

I'm just not sure which ones better... Both fun in different ways

Probably for quick 1 hour or less game lots of them can be fun

But for longer sessions I think leaving it at vanilla or slightly increased would be preferred

[deft cape]

yeah im starting to think lower is a better default

will probably set the default to 3% or 4% or something

rather than 15%

[buoyant jacinth]

I mean

With default mirage

Mimic is first enemy I encounter

And I've seen someone else only once or twice (inside, outside monster doesn't count) during short test play to see if it crashes with friend

[deft cape]

yeah that aint good...

even with the changed spawn curves?

cuz it's supposed to be like

spawns 1-2 per day, but later in the day

[ionic shoal]

imho, i personally prefer the normal spawns, because it just feels like the masked spawn over other monsters, so its just "masked masked masked".

[deft cape]

yeah i'll just turn it down

i just don't like normal spawns cuz only a couple maps have masked

by default i still want all moons to have them, even if it's just very rare

[lilac saffron]

hey barch were u able to find the culprit of the v2 performance issues?

[deft cape]

oh yeah i forgot to do a progress update

i already figured that stuff out, oeis and i are trying to hook up our code today

finally

[lilac saffron]

niice

[deft cape]

the performance issues that happened is completely gone thankfully

[lilac saffron]

great news

[deft cape]

😄

[lilac saffron]

good luck with the hooking code up

[deft cape]

tyty

[viral obsidian]

What were they?

[deft cape]

basically to use WhisperS2T it's compiled into an exe using pyinstaller, and in order to communicate with it, audio samples were being piped to that process

there were a few issues i was having:

• if the payload is too big, a deadlock happens where it seems like the parent/child processes are waiting on each other, which at least from what it seems on stackoverflow, seems to be a rather common problem
• i was using json to serialize when sending audio samples to the child process (the whispers2t exe), which is just slow

for the first problem, the simplest braindead solution i could do is switch to using sockets instead, and since i didn't want to handle sockets myself, i opted to use zeromq instead.
for the second "problem", well, i just replaced it with google-flatbuffers to handle serializing the audio samples.

before the changes it was taking around 4 seconds to finish (if it didn't deadlock), whereas after the changes, it's gone down to approx 0.27 seconds.
(this is for a large amount of audio samples being transcribed just to see how it'd look like under slightly heavier load)

pretty surprising that something that simple was causing such a massive performance issue tbh

[viral obsidian]

ah yeah, it usually is something that seems insignificant until you profile and scrutinise it

cool to know how it's working under the hood though, thanks 🙂

[ionic shoal]

i get that, which is why i used your spawns when i first picked up mirage, but then it seemed like 6/7 masked every day, was fun for a week, but yeah, normal spawns on all moons is cool 😄

[deft cape]

yeee hopefully 3-4% spawn chance will be a good default

[mellow schooner]

Do all players need to have the same config for the mod to work or just the host?

[deft cape]

just the host, although there's a couple of non-synced values since they're personal preference (noted by those specific settings)

everything else is automatically synced

[mellow schooner]

awesome, thank you!

[drowsy venture]

i dont know why but my peepers never talk with mirage, can someone help with that ?

[stark crown]

Hello, @drowsy venture, we have a dedicated support channel and forum here: #help-and-troubleshooting #1185732310700654732
Anyone responding is a volunteer so be patient.

[clever knot]

Did you enabke it in the config

So modded enemies can mimic voices

[drowsy venture]

where is that? my config editor doesnt

in peepers options

[clever knot]

In Mirage's config

[drowsy venture]

it's in yes

but they never talk

[deft cape]

If thwy dont talk it's possible peepers doesnt use the EnemyAI class, which is whats needed for it to work

[ebon wind]

Looks like the mod is picking up everyone's voices, except for mine (whether or not I am the host). Has anyone else encountered this?

[deft cape]

i've had a report of this before, but couldn't find a solution sadly. what windows are you on? just curious since the other person's problem seemed to be related to drivers

[ebon wind]

Windows 11 Home, Version 23H2

[deft cape]

hmm that's definitely not the issue then

are you manually installing? or also on a mod manager

[ebon wind]

Yup I'm using the mod manager

I host most of the time, seems to work for everyone else with the exact same mods/config

[deft cape]

fuck i have no clue then, sorry 😅
i tried debugging with the last person for quite some time and couldn't find a solution in the end

not really sure why the same setup wouldn't work for just a few people

[ebon wind]

hey no problem, it's a minor issue 🙂

Does the game have a way to decide which one is the default sound device?

[deft cape]

pretty sure you can select which input/output device to use but

[ebon wind]

I am using an audio interface, although it is not plugged in when I play

[deft cape]

ohh wait

[ebon wind]

mic works tho, so I may be totally off here

[deft cape]

could you double check if LC is pointing to the right sound device then

ah

yeah

definitely not that then actually

cuz

if others are able to hear you in game

then it should be recording fine as well

[ebon wind]

yeah

[deft cape]

in fact someone else who reported this issue

recordings were still being created i think

[ebon wind]

ah interesting

[deft cape]

for whatever reason it just seemed to never read the audio files and silently fails

and when i tried to log every step

it'd fail on the step of encoding it as an mp3

[ebon wind]

hmm like codec or driver issue

[deft cape]

yeah seems like it

[ebon wind]

My original hunch was some sort of network issue, but then my voice wouldnt work in the 1st place

[deft cape]

yeah

it's not a networking issue AFAIK

assuming it's the same issue as the other guy

https://github.com/Corey-M/NAudio.Lame

[ebon wind]

yeah sounds like it

[deft cape]

using the LAME encoder

this is the part that fails

but i couldn't figure out why it silently hangs

[ebon wind]

I use LAME for mp3 encoding for my music stuff, normally no issues

[eternal bridge]

thats so lame dude

[ebon wind]

anyways, thanks for the replies, I'll keep on testing 😉

[deft cape]

dang...

honestly im just hoping my rewrite for v2 will magically fix this issue lmao

cuz im not even too sure how to fix it as of right now

[ebon wind]

I think you're on to something with the encoding, I'm the only one in the group working on audio/music so my PC is riddled with codecs and other crap which may have messed things up

[deft cape]

do you happen to have another pc to just try and see if it at least works on that one?

[ebon wind]

my GF's who's sitting right next to me, works perfectly for her

same config, same everything minus the audio stuff

[deft cape]

ah then again i forgot you already said everyone else's in your friend group works

so no point in doing an extra confirmation

is your audio stuff like

something that affects your windows installation globally or is it per-user?

[ebon wind]

supposed to be per user

[deft cape]

sounds kinda dumb but

what if

you tried running the modpack on a new user 😂

[ebon wind]

switch to another user?

yeah good idea

lemme try later today

[deft cape]

hopefully that actually works

yee lmk

[ebon wind]

I do have another user for gaming on my TV (via Moonshine) as it does not work on my main user 😄

Oh shit

I may have realized something

where does it store the audio files?

my username in windows has an accented character (é) which was causing issues for other stuff before

which is the exact reason I needed another user 😄

[deft cape]

wait i wonder if it's actually just that

rather than an encoding issue

since as you said it still works for your other audio stuff

[ebon wind]

yeah

[deft cape]

i recall other mods having issues with players on different locales

probably having to do with something like that

[ebon wind]

I had the exact same issue with moonshine

[deft cape]

so it's very possible

is that how u chose ur ign

[ebon wind]

nah my ign is the exact same as my discord name, so no special characters

[deft cape]

oh i was just asking cuz the game's called moonshine and ur name is almost the same

was just out of curiosity 😛

[ebon wind]

oooh I misunderstood 😄 😄

nono Moonshine is a TV app that you can use to "trick" windows into thinking you're using an Nvidia shield and stream games to your TV without the device

via your network

so you kinda have a console without a console, pretty neat

[deft cape]

ohhhhh

[ebon wind]

My name comes from an older The Elder Scrolls game (Morrowind) which was my favorite

[deft cape]

never played elder scrolls so i dont get the reference 😔

[blissful marsh]

how can I delete the voices @deft cape

[deft cape]

it auto deletes when the game closes/opens

unless you set the config not to

[blissful marsh]

@deft cape can i also check the files to see what it has recorded?

[deft cape]

if you go to your lethal company folder

there's one called Mirage

that's where the recordings are stored

[light jacinth]

i could never delete the voices in my head 😔

[deft cape]

bro fighting the inner demons 😔

[deft cape]

alright quick v2 progress update:

been trying to figure out an issue where one part of my code is silently failing for whatever reason and never errors, and infinitely hangs as well.
trying to fix this has been getting me nowhere, and quite honestly is insanely boring for me right now, so it might take some time before it's fixed since it's pretty hard for me to stay focused rn lmao

[lilac saffron]

Will it play audio files that I place in the folder myself?

[lilac saffron]

No worries your health is more important

[deft cape]

yes, but in v1, after it plays audio it'll immediately start the delay timer, and once it's over, it cancels the original audio.
this means any audio that's longer than the delay will keep getting cut off

that's fixed in v2

if you do want to do that anyways, just make sure it's a .wav file

(fyi in v2 it'll only be able to read .mp3 files)

[buoyant jacinth]

Interesting

[deft cape]

yeah it's just to save on disk space

[buoyant jacinth]

Fair enough, will there be also kinda json or txt close to mp3 file/files that will have their meaning?

So that it doesn't "listen" to every single one all the time?

Also would be cool to be able to choose where do I want it to be saved as my ssd with lethal company is kinda full in a sense but a have others that are free

[deft cape]

yeah any context taken from voice recognition and whatnot is gonna be stored as well

[deft cape]

hmm good point

i guess i could add a thing in the readme

i mean

config

[buoyant jacinth]

I don't even know how did Readme become config lol

[deft cape]

im tired 😂 😂

close enough

[buoyant jacinth]

Fair enough xd

I just realized fun thingie about my studies

I gotta do assignment and I have only this week for it

And we were supposed to do it for the past year

[deft cape]

i love procrastinating

thats my specialty as well

[buoyant jacinth]

I was working

[buoyant jacinth]

I mean on my work it kinda is

As an intern I'm given tasks "normal" devs don't wanna do and usually it's because they're time consuming due to sheer amount of data that gotta be processed by the code and the only way to find you were wrong in your code is after like... At least 15 minutes but usually up to a few hours xd

Some script actually ran for 5 hours to complete. I love having to do simple work with Lotta data

Especially as someone who gets paid per hour and not per work done or month

[deft cape]

15 minutes to run a test?

that sounds so painful

[deft cape]

wait now that u say that....

THATS FIRE

[buoyant jacinth]

Well... Last task I had was about 500k lines from db that I had to kinda run through

[buoyant jacinth]

And uhh

I had to compare them all to each other on 4 different fields

Basically had to find the ones with 4 equal fields and if they were - compare their last update date and the one that's newer is active while other are archived

Amazing for time consumption

Quite literałly - code for 1 hour, debug and run tests for a day or more

Man If only they actually provided me with decent pc and not i5 6500t and 8gb ddr3

They would've reduced costs by soo much xd

I bet they pay me more for this wait than if they would just provide with a modern cpu and valid amount of ram for a dev

[deft cape]

LMAOO

sounds like management is a mess

but

it's a W for u

[buoyant jacinth]

Yeah it is

Since I officially work in their "subcompany" (forgor word in English) my actual team leader was confused. Cuz it shouldn't have any finances and therefore how tf they are paying me

I love this kind of tax evasion lol

[deft cape]

LOOl thats a funny way to put it

[ionic shoal]

My old company.. I was part of a small company that got us decent pc, the company that bought us, sold our pcs to other employees then gave us junk pcs, took me and my boss years to get us new better pc, companies suck...

My new company though bought me a high end i9 laptop with a 4070 for laptops inside.. better than my home pc I use for gaming x.x lmao

[buoyant jacinth]

Well... It is tax evasion. Here newly formed company has to pay less taxes

[buoyant jacinth]

My current home pc is r7 7700, 32gb ddr5 and 3060 12gb heh

[ionic shoal]

Mine is a i3? 9350kf and a 1660 super and 32gb ram. Lol

[buoyant jacinth]

I upgraded from i5 7400, 48gb ram and 1060 tho

1060 could've lived for longer

7400 couldn't

Well... Technically i switched from 13400 because i bought it at first but then it got bought out by my brother and on money i recieved i built a new one

[ionic shoal]

Rip. Yeah, I'm in same boat I need a better cpu, but paying 300 for a better "old cpu" is pointless, but my 1660 runs fine.

[solemn ridge]

12gb 3060 is such a good card

I also have that in my pc

[ionic shoal]

Yeah I bought my girlfriend a 3060 12gb instead of 3050 (default option) or 4060. Best option imho.. got it with a 14400 cpu.

[buoyant jacinth]

Oh yeah, i7 7700 costed the same as i5 13400 + asus z790m prime i got back then xd

[buoyant jacinth]

3050 - trash, 3060 vs 4060.. Depends

[ionic shoal]

4060 only 8gb ram.

[buoyant jacinth]

8gb vram is not a lot yeah

But the gpu is 10-20% more powerful + it takes much less power..

[ionic shoal]

Yeah, I would have waited to next year but her pc was dying xD, 15th gen intel and 50 series gpus should be better

[buoyant jacinth]

So it's like... Eeeg?

15th gen isn't better

[ionic shoal]

15th isn't out yet, but it will be better than 13th/14th.

[buoyant jacinth]

Oh wait, it's not

I thought about Ultra cores

xd

[ionic shoal]

13th was good, 14th is basically same as 13th.

[buoyant jacinth]

14th is literally 13th + 100-200 mhz

[ionic shoal]

Just lower power use

15th gen, new socket, and as per norm much improved.

[buoyant jacinth]

40 series of nvidia is actually really good for power saving reasons

[ionic shoal]

Or at least I hope. New socke ti's enough for me means can upgrade much more later.

[buoyant jacinth]

Well i got r7 7700 cuz wanted 8 cores

And first amd system too xd

[ionic shoal]

That's fair.. my first amd was 6 cores, but back then gaming was more single core orientated.

[buoyant jacinth]

r5 1600?

Well 8 cores not for gaming

I mean i had r7 7700 and 1060 6gb for a while hehe

[ionic shoal]

back then? no, 1060T black edition, i forget the graphics card now.. but it was nvidia, ive never touched AMD graphics cards, and since that AMD cpu, ive never touched AMD cpus again lol

[buoyant jacinth]

Why not lol

I mean AMD gpus aren't bad now and AMD cpus are also pretty good

But GPUs definitely were back in the day

[ionic shoal]

because of that experience.

the 1090T was good, but... when your favourite game does a patch... and suddenly you cant play because your CPU is at fault.. >.> and my cpu was only 3/4 years old at that point i think..

it wasnt just that cpu either.. its kind of the game makers fault.. but for example.. my intel CPU is 9th gen... its like 6/7 years old and runs brand new games fine..

plus also, that AMD cpu seemed to have a tendency to "fall asleep".. suddenly the cpu power evaporated.. like it went idle.. back then i was less familiar with how pcs work.. but.. either way, the combined situation put me off for life. my girlfriend wanted AMD, had an AMD cpu and an AMD gpu before.. i literally force converted her to nvidia and intel because i dont want to waste my money. xD

[buoyant jacinth]

Bruh

I mean Ryzen CPUs are fine

[ionic shoal]

i never said they arent.. but for example.. if you went to a cinema.. and witnessed a murder in the cinema.. you probably wouldent go back to a cinema any time soon, right? its going to take a lot for me to ditch what i trust and beleive in.. to jump ship to where ive had a bad experience 😄

if someone else was buying me a brand new AMD pc, without my money, id happily use AMD.. free pc..but when my money is involved..nah.. no way. xD

[buoyant jacinth]

I mean you convinced your gf for that

[ionic shoal]

no, i was paying for the pc... im not wasting my money.

if she wanted to spend her money on amd, her choice.

[buoyant jacinth]

I mean looking at it as a waste of money is kinda sad

[ionic shoal]

also, regarding convincing, she is very happy with the pc... often bragging to me about while i have 50fps, she has 1000 fps x.x lmfao

[buoyant jacinth]

It's mainly cuz she got newer gpu compared to yours tho xd

[ionic shoal]

erm.. by waste.. i mean, buying a pc... that ends up having issues like my old pc.. bad experiences as i said.

no im aware xD i bought her what i would have bought myself.

[buoyant jacinth]

Well.. I think the only problem i have with this amd system currently is... MSI xd

I may compain about relatively long bios boot time ig?

Like 15 seconds for bios to boot

But i think it's more about ddr5 overall

AMD iGPU is not as friendly with NVIDIA gpu as Intels iGPU also

That's kinda it i think

I actually like AMD drivers over both Intel and Nvidia in terms of how they can be used and look like

And all 3 seemed to be relatively stable for me too, didn't experience a single crash yet which is super weird

Oh, maaaybe relatively high idle power consumption or idle temperatures compared to intel, but it's also much less power hungry when you're using it compared to intel(90w vs 150-200w on similar intel cpus, i got 13400 which takes up to 130w)

But i have 50 degrees on idle and 55-60 under load so idk

x3d chips that were burnt in the beginning of am5 cycle - it was motherboards fault(ASUS in particular) for overvolting
Same shit happened with intel due to which i9 or i7 13-14 gen became unstable due to pushing them too much by default(Motherboards default)

GPU wise tho... Haven't had AMD gpus yet but i do know that for about same price nvidias gpu will be slightly worse in gaming perfomance and most likely have less VRAM BUUUT nvidia has CUDA cores, DLSS is actually better and Nvidia is much better for almost every single 3d modelling app or stuff like that and another BUUUT Nvidia can't go linux properly

[ionic shoal]

maybe.

[buoyant jacinth]

Sometimes if i put lotta load on my NVIDIA GPU second screen may start showing artifacts(Screen output is from amd iGPU)

Haven't had this on intel

Haven't had this if use only nvidia gpu or only amd iGPU

[graceful latch]

I had so many issues with amd drivers, so what I ended up doing was locking my amd drivers and software to an older version to make sure it didn't update itself

[buoyant jacinth]

I think I actually do have one problem due to them now that I think reeeally hard

Due to some amd chipset update - there is some random ass problem with realtek audio in some specific cases when it starts crackling instead of normal sound

But it's pretty rare

And other than that I didn't have a single problem I think

[graceful latch]

oh weird

[buoyant jacinth]

Well.. And already mentioned screen artifacts but it's due to Nvidia +amd ig

[buoyant jacinth]

That's actually relatively common problem on amd system

Which is... Interesting

Anyways - at some point I realized that no matter amd or Nvidia or intel or msi or whatever the heck - everything has some random problems and is trash in it's own way

[graceful latch]

true

[buoyant jacinth]

For example - I have msi 3060 gaming x, it uses same cooler as 3060ti and is capable of properly dissipating 200-250w of heat especially if its a trio version with 3 fans basically

Yet this gpu has vbios that locks power consumption only up to 180w which is not enough to achieve full clocks of this gpu xd

For example - asus 3060 gpus may let you use up to 210 or 220w for oc

I wouldn't complain tho if it wasn't for the fact that it's not enough to get at least stated boost frequency lol

[graceful latch]

this is why you make sure you got compatible parts that don't do bullshit

[buoyant jacinth]

They are compatible, it's just fun lil thing of this gpu in particular

[graceful latch]

because my PC is a cheaper prebuilt and it's mid at best

[graceful latch]

ah

[buoyant jacinth]

Where it needs more than can take to achieve full clock speeds

Which should not be a thing on a gpu like that

With such good cooling system it still locked to 180w at most

Base power limit of 3060 - 170w tho, so it's really almost nothing

[ionic shoal]

well.. that was also an issue i used to have 10+ years ago im pretty sure, you just reminded me lmao

[buoyant jacinth]

Yeah, it's been there for a while xd

But that's the only thing that's a problem from amd itself here

Ram speeds... Couldn't go past 6400mhz but I have 6000mhz kit and it's an m die lol
Timings are pretty nice Cuz no heat in the case let me push it a bit more

Probably am5 ihs can be considered a con but I've never seen temp higher than 70 degrees on my cpu unless I turned off my pump out of stupidity lol

Doubt it's an amd thing and I think it's about msi and vanguard but after closing valorant all my fans and pump went 100%

Anyways not playing that anymore and I blame vanguard

Kinda fun that my mouse being Bloody was one of the reasons it didn't work properly at first and then my headset being Razer was a problem number 2 as vanguard thinks their drivers are cheats

I wonder why did it not think my random chineese keyboard with wacky drivers that I can't even find anymore is also a hazard

[potent forge]

Thought I'd pose this question here, but since Skinwalker & Mirage have different some minor variability in their functions, has anyone tried using Skinwalker and Mirage recently together? I was thinking of redownloading skinwalker for its walkie talkie function, but I'm not sure how stable it'll be.

[viral obsidian]

@ionic shoal is planning to add the walkie talkie feature when mirage v2 lets them access the info for what it's worth

Not sure on the current behaviour, but in theory it should be compatible?

[ionic shoal]

it was never skinwalkers providing the walkie-talkie function (afaik), it was MaskedAIRevamp integrating with skinwalkers, and as @viral obsidian said, i plan to bring the same functionality to Mirage once qwbarch is ready, and likewise same for Wendigo's voice cloning, when thats ready.

[potent forge]

ahah, okie. That's good to know, I'll be waiting then ^.^

[buoyant jacinth]

U planning on mimics taking items too?

[ionic shoal]

?.?

[buoyant jacinth]

So they can pick up item

[ionic shoal]

they already do.

[buoyant jacinth]

To pretend to be a player even better

Do they?

[ionic shoal]

yup, cunning steals your items and hides them in a bush

i think deceiving brings items to the ship if they have one.

[buoyant jacinth]

Is it in ur mod already or..?

[ionic shoal]

its functionality that came from MaskedAIRevamp. ive already patched an error with item grabbing.. no clue if its working 100% yet, but i see them carrying items around, never seen them drop one though.

[buoyant jacinth]

I remember not using some masked mod Cuz it broke enemy spawn entirely

[ionic shoal]

MaskedEnemyOverhaul since v50?

[buoyant jacinth]

Maybe

[ionic shoal]

MaskedAIRevamp never touched spawns, and my mod doesnt.

[livid rose]

MaskedEnemyOverhaul has liek always broken spawns even befroe v50 ive never gotten it to work so i never used it

[buoyant jacinth]

Fair

[ionic shoal]

this has been said since v50..but there is a few misunderstandings

Mirage does most of what MEO does anyway and MEO was broken since v50 at least.
MEOF works though, and has 1 setting (or had one setting) that isnt in mirage, i forget what.. everyone always forgets about MEOF though, xD

[quaint leaf]

Is your mod out yet or a WIP?

I want better masked AI so badly

That combined with a General Improvements mod setting to make masks no longer spin on the radar would be perfect

[ionic shoal]

lol.. that "no spin" is from MaskedAIRevamp and is in my mod, so i am not sure if GI is compatible with my mod, never used GI, but my thoughts on compatibility is, if its using the same areas of code as another mod, its likely not compatible, so you would hope if GI had that spinning turned off, it would completely disable that functionality.

and its a "WIP" in the sense that.. it only works for one monster so far, but it works as well if not better than MaskedAIRevamp does afaik.
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[quaint leaf]

I'm definitely giving it a download and a thumbs up

Thanks!

[twin abyss]

(It's a hecc'in wrench-)

[ebon wind]

@deft cape couple of days ago we talked about that weird bug where my voice is not getting picked up but works well for everyone else

Soo I switched to a different user, one without any special characters in it (my main windows user has a "é" character)

and now it works!!!

in fact the whole crew died because of it cus they were so used to my voice not getting repeated, they really thought the masked guy was me 😄

[deft cape]

glad it works! also very glad it has nothing to do with codecs

and thanks for confirming it's indeed the accented characters that's causing the problem

i'll try and push a fix sometime this week (once i get a bit of progress on v2 first)

[glossy topaz]

Hey if I have overridespanchance on, does everyone have to turn it on or does host only have to have it on.

@deft cape

[deft cape]

only host needs to have it on

[deft cape]

finally got over the hurdle that's been holding me back the past week

hopefully tomorrow will actually be the time oeis and i will be able to hook it up without any sudden issues popping up

[lilac saffron]

good luck!

[silent sleet]

cosmetics sometimes dont spawn for masked and it only happens when you load into your first game

and then when i rejoin they're back

[patent fox]

so how exactly does this desync if clients don't have it? is it just the voices? or does the spawning desync too?

[deft cape]

what cosmetics is this from? MoreCompany?

[silent sleet]

yeah

[deft cape]

from what i remember spawns can desync as well.

if you're playing in a public lobby, you should use skinwalkers instead

[deft cape]

ah thats a MoreCompany issue most likely then.
mirage doesnt do anything at all for cosmetics, it just sets who the masked enemy should mimic, and then MC applies its cosmetics

although ive never had that issue personally so idk

[silent sleet]

i dont have this issue when i use gi cloning for sm reason

[deft cape]

idk then ive never had issues with MC personally

[amber grove]

what about mods that increase the MC cosmetics? I've been using these recently which add a lot of goofy ones, but I think it's all based on MC https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Kaplumbaa/KaplumbaaCosmetics/

[deft cape]

anything that uses MC should be fine

[potent forge]

Actually I think MaskedEnemyOverhaul did alter masked spawns, I had a similar issue but was lucky enough to have someone explain it to me. This was around the time I also discovered that the gamba mod of all things also conflicted with masked spawns... SOMEHOW!!! But MaskedEnemyOverhaul did have a section dedicated to spawn changes which made it impossible for them to spawn on all maps. This was, however, only possible because it was conflicting with another masked spawn weight altering mod. Atleast I think that's how it went down.

I think I'm having a lapse in memory x.x, I forgot what channel I was typing in and for what reason 3 times.

[ionic shoal]

I said MaskedAIRevamp, not MaskedEnemyOverhaul xD (should clarify, was talking about MEOF before that, but i was saying MEO maybe broke the spawns since v50, MEOF should be fine, and MAIR (Masked AI Revamp) never touched spawns, nor does my mod)

[potent forge]

Oh god I AM having a brain lapse x.x

[ionic shoal]

sounds like me every second of every day 😄