Mirage

[sturdy python]

I sent out the code already to the besties and don't really want to hassle people with another

[deft cape]

nah it just makes it not sync properly basically

still playable

[sturdy python]

Alr alr

Ty ty 🫶

[deft cape]

np

[fleet rune]

Im a bit behind heard there's a problem with mirage? What's the issue and is It fixed?

[deft cape]

yeah 1.2.1 is fine

dont use 1.2.0

[fleet rune]

What was the issue?

Don't mean to come in at the end of convo my bad fam

[deft cape]

the problem is that i added an optional dependency, but it's bugged and would cause errors if it's missing

so i just removed it until they fix it

[fleet rune]

Thanks for the temp fix

[deft cape]

specifically talking about LobbyCompatibility

[deft cape]

nah u good

[dusky marten]

awesome thanks

[deft cape]

@dusky marten ok this is how you can spawn masked enemies on your own (snippets of mirage are in f# so if you need clarification, i can write it in c# instead)

1. Save the HauntedMaskItem prefab. NetworkManager.NetworkConfig.Prefabs.m_Prefabs contains all of the item prefabs, so go through this list and save just the HauntedMaskItem itself. In Mirage, I had it save the prefab in a GameNetworkManager.Start patch.
2. Use Object.Instantiate to spawn the masked enemy. Here is an example of what it looks like Mirage. Main thing to notice is the mask item contains the MaskedPlayerEnemy prefab, and then you just set the position/rotation of it however you'd like. In mirage I set the mimickingPlayer as well, but I recommend you not to touch that, and just let mods like Mirage or MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork to handle that instead

[deft cape]

oh shit mirage hit 50 likes, lets fucking go 👀

[fiery hazel]

gogogo

[royal prism]

The register method allows for soft depending! (though Matty already seems to have clarified that)

[deft cape]

yep i'll do that for the next update

[turbid sentinel]

Anyone else experience micro stutters from Mirage?

[solemn ridge]

I don't

That might be fixed soon though, barch is looking into removing UniTask as a dependency

[deft cape]

uhhh

[turbid sentinel]

I have 100+ mods, disabling it makes the stuttering go away but weirdly it's no consistent

[deft cape]

unitask is unrelated to that

[solemn ridge]

Okay well

I hoped

[deft cape]

idk what microstutters is even from

[solemn ridge]

LOL

[deft cape]

lmao you shouldn't say random stuff if you're not sure 😭

[solemn ridge]

Haha sorry

[deft cape]

removing unitask won't have any significant changes if i do it properly

[turbid sentinel]

🤔

[deft cape]

can you describe what you mean by microstutters

[solemn ridge]

It's been a while since I saw someone say Mirage affects their fps tbh

[deft cape]

yeah same

don't think any of the new updates should be affecting fps either

[turbid sentinel]

my fps is fine just micro stutters

[deft cape]

i wonder if it's the same issue as skinwalkers, but i thought that was dealt with 🤔

are you on a hard drive?

[turbid sentinel]

nvme

[solemn ridge]

I run it on a Sata SSD with no micro stutters

You certainly shouldn't be getting them with a NVME

🤔

[turbid sentinel]

yea I know

[deft cape]

AFAIK ppl only have microstutters on skinwalkers on hard drives, ssds are fine (and is what rug suggests as a fix)

but mirage should be fine with hard drives is the thing

[turbid sentinel]

what "fix"?

[deft cape]

so if it's not that's something i gotta look into

[deft cape]

oh wait didnt know that's a term for ssd lmao

thought u were saying "nvm" 😂

[turbid sentinel]

lmao

[deft cape]

wait it's an m.2. those things are blazing fast

[fiery hazel]

nvme is the better version of ssd

[deft cape]

certainly not a disk io issue then

[fiery hazel]

the same as ssd is the better version of hdd

[turbid sentinel]

I haven't had a hard drive in years

[deft cape]

@turbid sentinel do u have a ton of errors on ur console?

[turbid sentinel]

Nope

Not a single one

[solemn ridge]

Well it's all marginal nowadays in terms of SSD's

[deft cape]

hmmm

[turbid sentinel]

ok my bad

one mod

Diversity

[deft cape]

error spam is a common issue with lag in this game

[turbid sentinel]

This was on load up

Once the game is going no errors occur

[deft cape]

hmm that shouldn't cause lag then

[solemn ridge]

Almost any modern SSD, Sata, NVME, or I forget what the other kind is

All will be better than a HDD

[light jacinth]

what's a HDD?

[turbid sentinel]

Hard Drive

[deft cape]

have you tried running the game without mirage? i just wanna confirm it actually is from mirage before i try and think of what's the possible issues

[solemn ridge]

Hard Disk Drive, spinning drive

[fiery hazel]

it has a direct connection to cpu, it is better but with how good cpus are nowadays consumers will not feel any real difference. it will be noticieable when you have games of various gb of size, or you have to edit a lot of footage

[turbid sentinel]

yes it's currently disabled with no sutters

[light jacinth]

is that some kinda lost technology from ancient times?

[turbid sentinel]

will re enable to confirm

[deft cape]

fuck...

[solemn ridge]

Yeah ^^

[deft cape]

what version are u on

latest?

[turbid sentinel]

yes

[fiery hazel]

sata is both ssd and hdd.. it's the wire that connect them to the motherboard 😂 ( well it is the protocol,connector and cable )

[turbid sentinel]

ok so

Just loaded in

Microstuttering has stopped

[deft cape]

🤔

[turbid sentinel]

So here's what happens

When I re launch, the micro stuttering re appears

[solemn ridge]

Inb4 it's cus of NAudio, have you seen the issues on that github? 😅

[deft cape]

nope

[deft cape]

thats not a good way of looking at what bugs it has

FYI naudio is really stable

[solemn ridge]

I'm messing

But still

😂

[turbid sentinel]

eesh

[deft cape]

saying that just makes people think naudio could actually be a problem

[solemn ridge]

I'm just bad at translating jokes in text

[deft cape]

that's a terrible way of looking at how stable a library is 😭

fair but still

random viewers could think it's an actual issue

[solemn ridge]

Sorry

[deft cape]

nah u good

@turbid sentinel not sure i get u too much though, it stopped micro stuttering, but when u relaunch i stutters again? how did u get it to stop stuttering then?

[turbid sentinel]

I get it, it's not consistent enough for me to give enough info on how to reproduce

[deft cape]

ah

i wonder if disabling mirage was just coincidence that it stopped stuttering then

since it's not consistent enough to reproduce

i haven't heard of performance issues on mirage in ages

the last time there were major issues was over a month ago

[turbid sentinel]

Maybe another mod I have conflicting with it idk

Now it's acting fine tho

[deft cape]

interesting

well lmk if u find out anything more, cuz if it's an actual issue from mirage, i'll look into it more

[turbid sentinel]

Will do 🫡

[deft cape]

is that a recording of the microstutters

i don't really notice it 👀

[broken mango]

thinking-

Should I remove masked enemy overhaul forked?

Cause Mirage does the same thing-

like does this mod support cosmetics

[deft cape]

cosmetics for masked enemies is supported by the cosmetics mods itself

so mirage inherently supports them

if the only thing you need MEO/MEOF for is picking the correct suit/cosmetics for the player, then u don't need them

[broken mango]

ah okay-

mainly I been thinking of removing it, as I know the fork fixes the enemy spawn but I heard it bugs out with modded enemies

[deft cape]

if you're using it for spawn control i'd say look into something like #1213985212686532638 instead

[broken mango]

nah I disable the normal spawn and just use vanilla-

[deft cape]

ah

sounds like u don't even need it at all then

[broken mango]

oof yeah I might end up removing it

[turbid sentinel]

@deft cape I discovered HD Lethal company was the main culprit of the micro stutters

Dropped it and replaced it with another resolution mod to combine with an ultrawide mod and have no encountered any more stutters

[broken mango]

yeah HD lethal company far as I know as I don't use it has issues

[deft cape]

ah great to know it's not from mirage, thanks for letting me know 😄

[acoustic fox]

what resolution mod did you find to replace hdlethal

[buoyant skiff]

LCUltrawide

[turbid sentinel]

No
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/nodelll/kruumys_FixResolution/

[tulip stirrup]

how to enable all enemyes mimicking voices?

not only masked

[deft cape]

config has options for all the other enemies

[light jacinth]

install LethalConfig mod

then you’ll have ingame UI to change this mod’s settings

you gonna have to restart afterwards for the changes to kick in

[tulip stirrup]

i have lethal company mod but i cant find mirage there

lethal config*

[light jacinth]

it should be there tho :[

ok mirage not showing up in lethalconfig has happened to me once before

i just generated the code for the modpack and fresh install another copy and that fixed it

[broken mango]

I assume choosing what modded monsters talk happens in 2.0.0?

[tulip stirrup]

ok thx i fixed it

by reinstaling

[light jacinth]

cool

not sure why that issue happens. it’s only happened to me once, but i’m glad i found a solution.

[deft cape]

yep in v2 i'll have it generate a config for each monster at runtime

[broken mango]

nice-

[buoyant skiff]

LCUltrawide is better.

[deft cape]

if anyone's down to help me test an experimental build, could you run this on your next playthroughs? https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/qwbarch/MirageExperimental/

don't worry about it being set as deprecated, i set it to that so people don't find it via thunderstore's search

main thing to look out for is:

• mimicked voices should sound identical to an actual player's voice
• mimicked voices should have the same volume as an actual player's voice

currently on the official build, i'm pretty sure they still sound slightly different to real voices, and are much quieter.
hopefully this experimental version will fix those 2 issues, and if it's good to go, i'll upload it to the official build

[pastel quest]

Does this include games with huge modpacks that has 250+ mods like Rimworld and Skyrim?

[light jacinth]

so pretty much the new build just touches on mimic volume?

[deft cape]

filters should be more accurate as well

[light jacinth]

volume & filters

noice

ill try with my group of friends tomorrow

[uncut sierra]

Latest mirage non experimental seemed to work way better tonight for me. Enemies reliably using voice lines .. masked etc. great time

[deft cape]

nice thanks! lmk how that goes

[deft cape]

compared to which version? i havent changed the internals much on the official version

great to know it's working well though 😄

[gloomy crow]

Screw it, lemme find some people to play with

[deft cape]

ohh shit ur back ouk, it's been a hot min

[remote iris]

@deft cape didn't u say unitask is not a dependency anymore?

in the experimental it is

did u re add it

[deft cape]

yeah i couldnt remove it

it's completely bricked without unitask

[solemn ridge]

It's caused him too many issues to try and remove it, due to how the mod is coded most likely

[deft cape]

turns out the networking stuff wasnt even running at all

whenever u heard voices during ur test it was just locally played voices

[remote iris]

so thats why

so how's the testing going

[solemn ridge]

He deprecated the Experimental release, I was gonna add it to my pack to test on stream today

[deft cape]

just trying to get input from others b4 i push it

[solemn ridge]

😂

[deft cape]

@solemn ridge read this 😭

[solemn ridge]

Ah

[remote iris]

ay u got content creator role

[solemn ridge]

Yep ^^

[remote iris]

i wanta customc olor too 😭 white is too basic

[deft cape]

make a mod with soundapi

[light jacinth]

making a mod for fun
vs
making a mod for a discord name color

[remote iris]

nahhhh u copied ma joke

[lament mica]

🤓

[deft cape]

lmfaoo

[lament mica]

And I copied your friend

[deft cape]

LOL

nerd emoji guy's influence is spreading

[remote iris]

@amber swallow

[deft cape]

i swear he has a new pfp every time i look

[remote iris]

he is the second most person ik who changes his pfp

[torpid arch]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

i think i know what you're referring to 😛

[amber swallow]

🤓

[nova star]

Starting a run with my group using the Experimental Mirage. I'll let you know how it goes!

[deft cape]

tyty lmk 😄

[solemn ridge]

I mean it broke for us when we landed for the 2nd time after everyone joined the lobby lmao

[deft cape]

no idea why that happened yet, it was fine when i tested with someone else in online mode

[nova star]

Yeah, we played about 8 days and no voices to be heard. I'll attach my logs and current mod list. There was a few things that were giving errors that were probably unrelated to your mod. But your current non-experimental release works with it all.

[deft cape]

i wonder if i uploaded the wrong thing lmao

mb 😭

ill have to check after

thx for the error logs

[nova star]

No worries! I'm just happy to help out 🙂

[remote iris]

@deft cape QUICKLY WATCH THIS BEFORE THE FEDS FIND ME OUT https://clips.twitch.tv/FastAwkwardMonkeyDAESuppy-kpfCwsKQBBszTPFf

this is with the new infectcompany mod

[deft cape]

oh shit it's a better version of that imposter mod

[deft cape]

@light jacinth idk if u ran it yet but dont run the experimental build, it's bugged rn

gotta see why it worked for me locally

but not for others

[light jacinth]

too late our pcs just esploded

😭

[deft cape]

oof i just nuked all the experimental testers today 😔

[lofty sorrel]

You're okay tbh tho in future I'd recommend posting it in #game-clips and @ing if it isn't a clip relating to the mod itself, in this case Mirage

[remote iris]

Idk we always chatted in here so im just used it. Will do what u said regardless

[lofty sorrel]

Nah I get it, I wouldn't enforce it generally speaking, mostly just so it doesn't become a norm

[deft cape]

oh my god im an idiot

for the experimental build i uploaded a version where i froze all the masked enemies

just to test easier

and i have a feeling that's what was causing some issues

[timber notch]

PFFT

[deft cape]

hmm what's everyone's thoughts on having ImitateMode's default value as NoRepeat? just wanna provide a better out-of-the-box experience

most likely gonna make natural spawns pick slightly less random as well (by alternating between players so there's less duplicates of a single player)

after some of the changes in v1 that i'll push out this week, i'll return to working on v2

[paper swift]

that sounds good

if it says the same 3 things over and over its not hard to tell its fake

[lofty sorrel]

Sounds good to me, I think letting it pick new voicelines guaranteed every time makes for a better demonstration of the mod, and the natural spawns change sounds perfect tbh

[deft cape]

bet thanks for the inputs y'all

[paper swift]

thanks for making this amazing mod :]

[deft cape]

also while both of you are still here actually

[lofty sorrel]

100% of people (that responded) approve of these changes

[deft cape]

i plan on adding masked spawns to all moons, as well as just making them more common by default.
would you think, lets say, spawning at the spider's spawn rate be too common?

i actually want it to be more common, and masked enemies are capped at 2 by default anyways (im pretty sure)

but idk if that's something that others wont like

since again this is more for the out-of-the-box experience

my reasoning for it is that if you have mirage installed, you probably want to see masked enemies more often

e.g. during the superlobby event we didn't really see any masked at all

[paper swift]

i like that idea idk how others might think of it tho

[deft cape]

it'd definitely be an opt-in thing via the config, just not sure if that makes sense as the default

[paper swift]

i think it does

there are full mods just for that so i think its good

[lofty sorrel]

Default being Spider rarity seems fine to me. If someone's changing the config to turn on spawns on every moon, they're also probably going to think about changing the rarity to suit themselves anyway

[paper swift]

fair

[deft cape]

yeah good point

alright thanks again for the inputs, just gonna try and fix the experimental build and hopefully ill get a new release out in the next few days

[lofty sorrel]

Poggers

[paper swift]

good luck

[lofty sorrel]

It's past 6am

ingeidnedkmsleep

[paper swift]

ok

[deft cape]

degen hours 🤝

im always up at that time too kms

[upbeat compass]

😔

[deft cape]

hold up... never knew it was yours this whole time LMFAOO

[upbeat compass]

nah i know it has a bunch of issues

that and just game design wise its a bit of a mess

[deft cape]

[upbeat compass]

(the main reason it hasn't been at the top of my list)

[deft cape]

it's ok soundapi is already so much work to maintain

even rn with multithreading, it works for a bunch of ppl, it doesn't work for a bunch of ppl

😔

[upbeat compass]

skill issue on god 💀

[deft cape]

the typical life of a dev

[light jacinth]

yes to norepeat

[deft cape]

sounds good

[fiery hazel]

experimental TS pages are growing 😂

[deft cape]

yea i made this cuz lunxara recommended me to, cuz you did it

LMAOO

only ended up making an experimental package cuz of u 😂

otherwise i woulda stuck to uploading to ppl instead

[fiery hazel]

and i did too because they pestered me until i did 🙃

[deft cape]

LOOOL same

[fiery hazel]

but i guess it makes sense for them as they have to share the code

[deft cape]

only didn't want to do it at first because i was scared of doing stupid things and uploading a version to the official package, which ironically i did that on the first push

so i ended up just making sure i have a script for it instead of manually changing the manifest

[deft cape]

yeahh 😅

[fiery hazel]

i just have a txt file called clipboard with a checklist of stuff i need to change in the manifest.json, and a fully separate folder where i copy the main zip before editing it

[deft cape]

i dont even trust myself with a checklist, i'll still fuck it up somehow

[fiery hazel]

happend once that i uploaded the experimental with the wrong version number but nothing else lukly

[deft cape]

so i just made a script and it's easier that way anyways

[fiery hazel]

oh script do be nice

[deft cape]

just a bit "ugly" to version control the experimental packaging script and the manifest but it is what it is

[fiery hazel]

you put it in the csproj or the PosBuild.target?

[deft cape]

oh nope im not that comfortable with csproj, i always make shell scripts whenever i need something

just gonna repost the above so it doesn't get buried

[fiery hazel]

sry

[deft cape]

nahh all good

to those who helped test the last experimental build, thanks for trying it out and sorry for bricking it 🙏
i've uploaded the right version this time if any of u are still willing to help test: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/qwbarch/MirageExperimental/

like yesterday, if you're testing the experimental build, you can ignore it being deprecated. the package is only deprecated to not have it show up in the thunderstore search bar

again, the main things to look out for in this experimental version are:

• voices should actually sound identical now (updated the voice filters again)
• voices should be at the same volume as an actual player's voice now (unconfirmed right now, since i couldn't test it with a second person and im about to go sleep)

if you have this BepInEx\plugins\Unknown-MirageExperimental\mm_v2_manifest.json file, make sure to delete it as well.
i have NO CLUE why, but when this file exists, it seems to screw with the mod and makes the sounds really quiet.

i'm not sure if this only occurs when i do a local import. if it doesn't show up for the MirageExperimental package, then that's great, no need to worry about it

if you're running the experimental version, you will also see this warning a lot. just ignore it, i'll deal with it before an official release

also just to note, while i did mention spawn changes are planned, they're not in the experimental version yet

[nova star]

Our party likes it being more common. I have it set to 4 in your config and that seems to be pretty good for us.

Edit: I forgot that spawn config is for "MaskedEnemyRework.cfg" xD My bad

[nova star]

I'll try to see if I can get a group together to test today. Love your mod! Thank you!

[dark brook]

is anyone playing mirage with #1190848624402386985 ? i think that one makes two dudes spawn instead of one when you get killed by a masked

[broken mango]

yea it's broken as the creator is busying wokring on LC_Office

[solemn ridge]

Just set it to work like this

It's worth having for the radar fix

[nova star]

Testing is going well! The voices sound like my friends and the volume is perfect.

[deft cape]

niceee very good to hear that!

when u hear a fake voice now, how much are u able to tell the difference for what it sounds like? (not talking about how obvious bcuz of what it says since that will be addressed in v2)

[solemn ridge]

barch why did Experimental cause me to get a crash with so many errors when I tried to quit out of the game?

I dmed you

LOL

What did you do this time buddy?

XD

[deft cape]

oh what

[solemn ridge]

Lol

[nova star]

So far I can't really tell a difference. It's gotten me to respond a few times haha.

[deft cape]

LMAOO nice

and for the official mirage build im assuming u can tell the difference if u focus on it a bit right

(or immediately if ur that cracked)

[nova star]

So far, only because I knew where they were at. But just by listening, not really.

[deft cape]

ah so the filters were already similar enough anyways eh

im assuming the main difference rn is the volume

[lament mica]

I'll have to test experimental with my monitoring headphones.

[deft cape]

are those some audiophile headphones 👀

[lament mica]

my wallet cried so maybe lol

[deft cape]

LOL

[nova star]

The volume seems pretty spot on to me. I had her playing on 2 different enemies as well as her talking at the same time and my head was spinning because I couldn't tell which one was which lol

[deft cape]

LOOL nice i guess once a couple more ppl confirm the changes are good, they'll be good to go for a new release (after i figure out whatever the issue lunxara's having is)

speaking of which, when you exited to the main menu (or closed the game) did it cause any crash issues

[nova star]

I haven't been getting any issues with the crashing. I have had to close a few times now for mod updates and everything closed without an issue.

[deft cape]

i wonder if it's some sort of weird mod conflict then, i'll just test lunxara's modpack directly

[nova star]

Here is the logs and mod list for our current walk through. No issues that I saw from your mod 🙂

[deft cape]

thanks ❤️

couldn't replicate @solemn ridge's crashing issue, no clue what was happening 😭

[soft hollow]

@deft cape pst

buddy

hows it going

[deft cape]

yooooooo whats good mi6k

been a hot min

[light jacinth]

he been tempering that inner kevin hart

[deft cape]

LOL haven't seen those kevin hart gifs in awhile without mi6k around 😔

[soft hollow]

ive been here and there, mainly cookin my modpack

[deft cape]

hows that going

[soft hollow]

Well just finished the modpack and all of its icons

And now Im gathering people for the beta test

[deft cape]

clean asf i remember u showing some of these

[deft cape]

are u running ur own discord for it or something

[soft hollow]

that a lot of work :(

maybe

also my main issue

is that AC was a core mod in my pack

[deft cape]

like for spawns and stuff?

what are u using now? LQ?

[soft hollow]

Still AC

[soft hollow]

Perks

and items

Plus presets

And yea spawns and stuff

[autumn glen]

is it out already? you always talk abt it and I'm really interested

[soft hollow]

Releasing it today or tomorrow

depends on how easily I can make the readme

[deft cape]

sheeesh gl on the release 🙏

[lofty sorrel]

Are you releasing on Thunderstore?

[soft hollow]

yes*

[lofty sorrel]

What's the asterisk

[soft hollow]

For now I was too lazy to find replacement mods for AC, so modpack will be in beta, youll just need to add ur own version of AC 1.18 to it

[lofty sorrel]

Ah okay I see, goog

[deft cape]

@soft hollow i remember u saying there was an issue with the modpack at the time when vlad and i tried it with u that one time, what even was the problem?

[soft hollow]

it evaporated

[deft cape]

i love it when bugs disappear by itself

[soft hollow]

probably a mix of me always playing with configs 10 times a day

plus

changing out mods 10 times a day

plus

mod updating every second I blink

[deft cape]

lmfao

[soft hollow]

looking at Wesley

[deft cape]

wesley shits out moons faster than i can shit irl

idk how the man does it

and they're quality too

[sick rampart]

hey im looking to configure things about the mod like change the setting where masks spawn after ever player death.

how could i do this?

[deft cape]

are you using r2modman?

[sick rampart]

yes

[deft cape]

click on Config editor and then search up mirage

and then you'll want to scroll all the way down to the

MaskedPlayerEnemy section, specifically the SpawnOnPlayerDeath value

looks like this

[sick rampart]

when i search it up no mirage comes up did i install the mod wrong maybe?

and thankyou for the help

[deft cape]

oh nah u just need to run the game once for it to generate the config

no prob

for most mods if you run the game once it'll have a config

[sick rampart]

ill try that thankyou

[deft cape]

sounds good

[sick rampart]

it worked thankyou very much!

have a nice day!

[deft cape]

you too

[light jacinth]

i never managed to test experimental, i have failed u 😔

[deft cape]

smh u have indeed failed me 😔 how could u

[soft hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-funny-cat-raaaawr-gif-23646515

im gonna go bald

[deft cape]

is it davinci again

😔

[soft hollow]

rahhhhhh

rahhhh

' gerg hts

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-23725523

im going to steal the moon

[deft cape]

bro going insane from davinci fr

[light jacinth]

man i remember daxcess mentioning having issues with it when he was putting together his lcvr 1.2.0 video showcase

[upbeat compass]

bro what the hell are y'all doing to DaVinci it's not that bad

[deft cape]

mi6k does everything in it

including image editing

LUL

[light jacinth]

wait wtf

aint no way

[deft cape]

pretty sure he mentioned making those logos in davinci

i could be remembering wrong 💀

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-pissi-twitch-7tv-gif-7223094372649290081

[soft hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/hear-me-out-eggman-sonic-sonic-adventure2-gif-25292376

[soft hollow]

Aight chat

Hear me out

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[soft hollow]

Imagine you are building a very complex thing

And you need many tools for it

Screw drivers with different screw head sizes

Wrenches

Etc.

You need to be able to use all those tools for every single part

OR

You could spend your time mastering one tool

To do everything

And tool is a hammer

And when I weild my hammer, every problem is a nail

So what Im saying

is I refuse to use anything other than davinci

I just gotta slam my head in the wall hard enough until it starts working

[light jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[soft hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-funny-cat-raaaawr-gif-23646515

im zooted

im bonkers man

[light jacinth]

not only is he kevin hart, but he's also leonardo davinci

man's crazy

[soft hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-insane-gif-21702784

[deft cape]

mi6k built diff fr

[soft hollow]

im

dead

[upbeat compass]

rip 🙏

[light jacinth]

are there any plans to add a config option to customize which modded enemies could mimic voices?
i imagine another box beneath the EnableModdedEnemies checkbox where u can type a string of enemy names separated by commas "RollingGiant,Shrimp,ShyGuy,ImmortalSnail", but having the default be set to "all".

[deft cape]

yeah it's planned for v2

i'll eventually just generate a config option for every monster at runtime

[light jacinth]

ur gonna put skinwalkers out of business at this rate

[maiden tusk]

is it better to use the experimental version as is than the stable version? These new features sound very good

[light jacinth]

ive only tested experimental on solo rn.. and im like damn.. is my mic really that sensitive and that loud? is this what my friends have to put up with?

in the Pause menu, u can change other people's mic volume, do u account for that?

[deft cape]

i assume dissonance handles that when i record it

ill have to double check

[deft cape]

only thing in experimental rn is the voices sounding more like what a player normally sounds like

the other stuff i mentioned ill add in the next update (like spawn control) hasnt been added yet

[nova star]

Do you plan to add similar config options like MEO?

[deft cape]

you mean for spawn control? i wasn't planning on it, since i just wanted to set the masked spawn rate to a spider's (since weights are different for each moon), and just having a config for enabling/disabling it

my reasoning for not adding a config option to set your own custom weight is just cuz at that point, u might as well use a proper spawn control mod

[nova star]

OKay! I was only curious because I would get rid of MEO if your mod had the same or similar config options. I'm all about condensing mods if I can.

[deft cape]

ur talking about the spawn control specific ones right? or is there others? 🤔

[nova star]

I really only use it to increase the rates a tiny bit and add names above the masked heads. I think the spider rates is a good rate to have.

[deft cape]

ah the nametag thing is planned for later, but that's probably after v2

just super low priority for me

[nova star]

For sure! I can live with having an extra mod for that haha.

[deft cape]

honestly the only issue i can think of with the approach of copying the spider's spawn rate is

if a moon decides to make it really rare, then masked becomes really rare as well

or if it's not added at all, then i'd need some sort of default

[nova star]

ohhh. Is there a way to set it to a specific moons spawn rate? Like all masked spawn at the same spider rate as experimentation?

[light jacinth]

i’d just use lethal quantities to handle that

[nova star]

I was more making a suggestion to the variable spider rates they mentioned. But I don't know much about modding this game lol

[deft cape]

idk quite how to explain this, but the spawn rate for each moon won't be the same even if you use the same weight.
so even if you use the spider's spawn rate from experimentation, it won't be the same for the other moons

at that rate it might just be easier to have a config to set a custom weight

i'm not sure what people here would prefer tbh, lmk

[nova star]

Ohhhh that's right. Because they all have different total weights. True. Could you set the rate based on a targeted percentage then? Like if the bunker spider is 15% for experimentation you have a variable weight that targets that 15% on each moon?

[soft hollow]

@deft cape Its done.

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-mcu-exhale-thanos-infinity-stone-gif-16660976

[deft cape]

IT'S ON TS? 👀

[deft cape]

hmmm i could try

[remote iris]

I NEED TO SEE THIS

we need a kevin hart sticker/gif for this moment

its not on thunderstore explain

we need a full paragraph about your apology for saying its done while it aint on thunderstore

[soft hollow]

its

its fighting me

[soft hollow]

I will make a goofy speech in #modding-general so that the federal agent Xu doesnt spank me for another infraction

[lofty sorrel]

I'm right here

[soft hollow]

You're a fed in training

[tight ivy]

are there plans to make it so that naturally spawned mimics can have cosmetics?

[soft hollow]

they do...

https://tenor.com/view/stoned-cat-stoned-cat-funny-huh-gif-19222132

[ivory mason]

Does this have an incompatibility with ModelReplacementAPI? Someone in my playgroup claimed to have run across an invisible masked that couldn't move, I assume it was copying his suit which is a different model

[lofty sorrel]

Not an incompatibility persay, just no functionality for supporting it

The ModelReplacementAPI dev might be back soon to implement it tho I've heard

[ivory mason]

Would be nice for a config option to disable them copying suits in the meantime, especially if it causes the masked to not move

[soft hollow]

I can tell you im 70% sure thats not the cause of that bug

As when copying a suit, the suit still exists under the model, so the masks should function just the same, they wont copy the 3d model, but just the suit representing it on the rack

[ivory mason]

It only started after adding the model replacement but it could be something else I guess. Just thought I'd report it here

[soft hollow]

If u can drop ur modpack code

[ivory mason]

Never had a frozen masked that had any normal suit

[ivory mason]

Sure, 018e7cae-b83d-048b-1069-84d86318a702

I just switched from MoreEmotes to BetterEmotes, do you think more emotes could have caused it?

I've heard to switch to better

[lofty sorrel]

Copying suits is a vanilla mechanic, not a mechanic added by any Masked/cosmetic/suit mods

[deft cape]

^yep if copying suits was the problem, ModelReplacementAPI would have issues even in vanilla, which is thankfully not the case

just an FYI bunya (the author) plans on coming back to modding in like a month or so, and said they'll work on supporting masked enemies

so as soon as that's finished, it should work with mirage right out of the box

(mirage doesn't handle any of the cosmetics itself, the cosmetic mods add support for it directly)

[tight ivy]

floating cosmetic mimic haha

[deft cape]

so same issue as this im assuming

[deft cape]

are you using ModelReplacementAPI as well?

[tight ivy]

i dont believe so

I'm not

[ivory mason]

Before using Mirage every time we saw a masked they always wore the basic orange suit, are you sure that's vanilla?

I am talking about the ones spawned from vents, not players who have turned

[lofty sorrel]

Well yeah, it's the same mechanic. Mirage just makes it so that the mechanic vanilla uses to apply suits to turned players also applies to naturally spawned Masked

[ivory mason]

Ye I think that's what's caused the floating frozen mask issue I was talking about 🙃

Might be an issue when it copies a different playermodel, tho this is all speculation on my part

[deft cape]

wait @twilit monolith isnt the invisible cosmetics thing related to a MoreCompany bug that was fixed in StarlancerAIFix?

[lofty sorrel]

It can't copy playermodels

[deft cape]

yeah player models aren't supported at all purely because ModelReplacementAPI hasn't done it yet

mirage doesn't do anything itself

[ivory mason]

I think it did tho, because I had a player reporting a floating mask that didnt move

Or is that a known bug

We only had it after we added model replacements

[twilit monolith]

I don't think it has any relation, I just remove null meshrenderers. Invisible cosmetics didn't occur when we were fixing the NRE bug

[lofty sorrel]

It's not a bug persay, just not a feature yet. All that really means is that whatever model replacement you had wasn't using a normal suit as a base, and so it replaced the default model with what it found: nothing

[deft cape]

oh nah the players are invisible except for the cosmetics, sorry i said that wrong

i could've sworn it'd still keep the model intact but maybe im wrong

[lofty sorrel]

Could be dependant on the model mod

[deft cape]

@glossy aspen do u have any ideas what the issue could be?

[ivory mason]

That could be too

[glossy aspen]

This is about that invisible masked?

[deft cape]

yeah theres some reports of masked enemies being invisible, except for its cosmetics

@ivory mason said it only started happening after ModelReplacementAPI was installed

[twilit monolith]

Oh well that never occurred either 🤭

[glossy aspen]

Nothing comes to mind. There isn't actually any code in ModelReplacementAPI that involves masked.

[deft cape]

oops 😂

[ivory mason]

I mean we could have been just lucky to never have the issue before then but we played with mirage for about 2 weeks before adding model replacements with no issues

[deft cape]

ah gotcha

[deft cape]

if it happens again, can u send me the logs

[glossy aspen]

I mean, it's possible that some model mod adds a MoreSuits suit that is just an empty texture? It doesn't really matter what the suit texture is, seeing as it will be replaced with a model.

But personally I haven't seen this bug either all the times I've played with my friends.

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah that was my thought

[ivory mason]

I'll make sure to get them

[glossy aspen]

Incidentally the masked that just stood around doing nothing is a bug from the previous version that I got rid of by deleting all of the debug code I had for mimics, but they never turned invisible, so I can only imagine it's caused by something else.

Best of luck in finding it.

[deft cape]

interesting, thanks for the input

[deft cape]

alright another question about defaults:
do you guys think having MuteLocalPlayerVoice set to true as the default makes more sense (current default), or should i set it back to false?

(if anyone doesn't know or forgot what it does, setting it to true just means you won't be able to hear your own mimicked voice)

[uncut sierra]

i personally believe the whole appeal of the mod is to trick you into thinking a teammate is nearby. hearing your own voice is a dead giveaway that an enemy is nearby (it obviously can't be you.)
So I'm perfectly fine having my own voice muted. During spectate hearing my own voice is good because i want to see what funny interactions happens

i guess in regards to masked-mimics specifically.. if an enemy is disguised AS YOU, i guess it doesn't matter. but i'm coming from the idea that you know, spiders and coilheads are doing the voices

[deft cape]

yeah that's my thoughts as well, was just curious cuz some ppl seem to prefer to hear their own voice still, and if it's a common enough preference, it could make sense to set it to false by default

[lofty sorrel]

To me it makes sense for the default to be false, cause I'd just be confused when my friends hear me and I don't hear anything. Ig there's appeal to that, but I like the idea that it's the creatures actually speaking the lines (through whatever means, I don't write the lore) rather than it being somehow within the players' individual minds

I'm massively overthinking this

[uncut sierra]

i love the confusion amongst my group, personally. but i can understand that

[deft cape]

so i'm guessing your opinion is mostly from a lore perspective? the reason i think setting it to true as the default makes more sense is, as magnet mentioned, hear your own voice is a dead giveaway that it's a fake (if you hear it), and i'm assuming someone who's new to the mod would want it to be as deceptive as possible

cause I'd just be confused when my friends hear me and I don't hear anything
this is why i'm not too sure about which one to set it to though tbf

[lofty sorrel]

Maybe for broader appeal true makes sense. I think I also just wouldn't want to miss out on funny moments where a voiceline I gave ends up being used in a funny way, but it's not really the purpose of the mod at its core so if I/others want that the config can be changed

[deft cape]

I think I also just wouldn't want to miss out on funny moments where a voiceline I gave ends up being used in a funny way
true, good point 🤔

[ivory mason]

Some way where if you're alone the voice is never yours, only when with a group (best of both maybe?)

[light jacinth]

testing the experimental rn and it seems to do a very good job mimicking other player's mic volume and quality

my only issue is that my own voice seems to be noticeably louder than other's

but that could just be a me problem

with my mic setup

[ivory mason]

I feel like I have the same issue, zeekers REALLY needs mic settings in game

like honestly thats my #1 ask

[light jacinth]

my friend says his mimic voice is the same volume as my mimic voice

but that's not the case for me

[ivory mason]

oh I think mine is fine with that. I just think my mic is loud in game 🙃

[torpid pecan]

I also just hate hearing my own voice lmao

[light jacinth]

well fortunately there's a config option to mute ur own voice if its that bad

[deft cape]

probably not doing that anytime soon sadly

[deft cape]

you have a lowered mic volume right? i guess dissonance really doesn't handle that, and i'll have to look into that then

[deft cape]

same 😅

[light jacinth]

i dont want to mute myself, but i wish i could lower my own mimic volume

[deft cape]

i just realized there's no in-game option for lowering your own input, just other people's mics

so maybe the playback is a bit louder

ill have to do some tests again

[light jacinth]

if u do add something to modify your own mimic voices, can u make sure its specifically ur own mimic voice's volume and not ur actual mic volume for other people?

but anyway the experimental mimic voices are a lot more convincing .. hearing my friend's voice vs a mimic. i dont think i could immediately tell the difference.

and my friend said he couldnt really tell much difference between my voice and a mimic too.

some error i noticed popped up. but i didn't notice anything weird ingame.

[deft cape]

yeah that's the goal

[deft cape]

niceee 🙏

[deft cape]

that's not good.. i don't think i've noticed it yet but i'll have to investigate. that's definitely not a good sign though, even if it doesn't do anything noticably weird

oh wait i thought the null reference exception was comiong from one of my classes

but since it's coming from MaskedPlayerEnemy itself, i think another mod is causing that

@light jacinth is that the only part of the stack trace? or is there more to it? (like the lines after that very last one)

[light jacinth]

unfortunately i dont have the entire log anymore, but i recall that portion of the console was all there was to masked related stuff

[deft cape]

if u see it again could u send me a full log? i just wanna double check if that stack trace has any references to mirage

[light jacinth]

yeah ill be sure to do that next time

the only reason i attributed this error to mirage is well it says [Info :qwbarch.Mirage]

[deft cape]

that's the previous line, but if the stack trace does contain Mirage, it could still be the cause of it

so i just gotta double check when u have the log

looking kinda like it's not from mirage though, especially rn when i'm testing in game there's no null reference exceptions

[light jacinth]

in terms of mask related mods, i have:
-LC_Masked_Fix
-MirageExperimental
-DramaMask

[fiery hazel]

how long ago was the log? did you have asyncloggers?
if yes the sqlite file will likely contain multiple logs ( it rotates based on file size) and not game boots

[light jacinth]

i do have asyncloggers

where can i find the logs?

[fiery hazel]

same place of the other logs. where you get the LogOutput.log file

(r2profile)/BepInEx

if you ned to find the profile folder there is this button in r2/tunderstore:

[light jacinth]

how do i look inside of a sqlite file?

[upbeat compass]

just search sqlite browser

[fiery hazel]

yeah, that will work, it's not really intended to be viewed by the users so it will be a bit clunky if you need to search it

[deft cape]

can you paste the message that's right below it (the one with NullReferenceException)

[light jacinth]

ur gonna be shocked

NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
(wrapper dynamic-method) MaskedPlayerEnemy.DMD<MaskedPlayerEnemy::Start>(MaskedPlayerEnemy)

[deft cape]

LMAO THATS IT

fuck

i dont understand how there's not at least an IL reference 😔

in any case i've been testing for a bit just now, never seen it once

so i'm just gonna assume it comes from another mod

[light jacinth]

i got asyncloggers.. and any logneutering mods have been disabled during testing

[deft cape]

the stack trace should still be the same anyways (minus async loggers being added to the stack trace)

[light jacinth]

convenient that async logger logged this stuff tho. i wouldnt have been able to pull it back up without it.

[deft cape]

btw anyone who's using the experimental package, i just pushed an update if y'all can try that out as well. it should have slightly better fps, but other than that, there shouldn't be much of a difference from the previous experimental build.

and as usual, ignore the fact that it's deprecated, for anyone who's trying the experimental build for the first time, it's only deprecated to hide it from the TS search bar

[light jacinth]

was there an fps issue?

[deft cape]

there's a log in the bepinex folder as well actually

[deft cape]

unless ur on an HDD it's pretty unnoticable

just didn't realized i was doing a bit of blocking on the main thread, which causes some hitching if you're on an HDD especially

[light jacinth]

yeah but doesnt that one only show the last game session?

[deft cape]

ah thats what u mean

yeah true

[light jacinth]

SSD gang

[deft cape]

🤝

[upbeat compass]

nvme2 or bust

[light jacinth]

NVME gang

[deft cape]

i wish i had that 😔

[light jacinth]

now what really kills my fps in lethal is doing VR + LethalCasino lmao. i think coz the casino got a ton of volumetric lighting.

[fiery hazel]

that was the entire reason behind this additon, so i'm glad it is proving usefull 😄

[deft cape]

smart idea 👀

[fiery hazel]

that's sooo weird 😂

[deft cape]

yeah i was expecting something in the stack trace

that log is so anticlimatic LOOL

[fiery hazel]

never seen such a short stacktrace from unity

[deft cape]

fr 😭

[fiery hazel]

and it's not even sqlite truncating it.. i just checked and each text field can contain up to 2gb of text 🤣

[deft cape]

i'd be surprised if did lmao

[vast canyon]

@light jacinth you can install this so IL offset will be always visible https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1220288559760805988

[deft cape]

oh shit i need that, thanks for making that 🙏

[light jacinth]

okay will do

[deft cape]

@light jacinth ok so i just did some testing with a partner to try to compare the audio's volume.
there were times where we thought it might've been louder than the real voice, but after doing a lot more tests, the times we thought were louder was just when we physically spoke louder.
we did "controlled" tests by saying the same word at the same volume, and discovered between you and another player (or a voice mimic) affects the volume quite a bit, so depending on how far you are, it can sound a lot louder, but this is just regular behaviour.

tldr; the audio volume in the experimental build is fine. in fact, i'm not even adjusting any voice settings myself anymore, i basically just cloned what dissonance (the voice chat system) uses, so it should be completely identical (and from our tests, sound identical)

[upbeat olive]

This dont tell default value

[deft cape]

looks like r2 is bugged there, when i click "show more" nothing happens

[upbeat olive]

same

what is the default i changed the wrong setting by accident

[deft cape]

idk if ekbr left the server, can't ping

[deft cape]

lemme see

default is true

[torpid pecan]

r2 try and work properly challenge

[upbeat olive]

i want to be able to hear myself when spectating

if i was mimicked

[deft cape]

oh wait

[deft cape]

i thought you were looking at the MuteLocalPlayerVoice value sorry

AlwaysMuteLocalPlayer is false by default

[upbeat olive]

oh ok

i can see the value for the other one

[deft cape]

(specifically because people should be able to hear their voice while spectating)

[upbeat olive]

is it bad to hear your own voice while mimicked and alive

[deft cape]

yeah it's just for people who don't want to hear their own voice at all, was requested by autemis so i was like why not

[upbeat olive]

i would like to always hear it i think

it would be more funny that way

[deft cape]

well if you hear your own voice it'll be really obvious that it's a fake right away, but some ppl like being able to hear their voice while alive still

[upbeat olive]

i can kinda tell anyways

if its masked atleast

the bracken not always but easy to survive

[deft cape]

i'm still not sure what should be the default for that yet though, but im leaning towards keeping MuteLocalPlayervoice as true as the default

[deft cape]

yeah true at the current state it's obvious either way

[upbeat olive]

if ai revamp was useable it would be another story

[deft cape]

something that'll hopefully eventually be changed for voices when mirage v2 comes out

[upbeat olive]

but that mod is too broken for me rn

[deft cape]

well i plan on redoing the ai anyways eventually

[upbeat olive]

oo

[deft cape]

was originally part of the v2 roadmap but

[upbeat olive]

that would be dope

[deft cape]

i don't think i have enough time to finish it for v2, and quite honestly i just want a break after v2 as well so it'll take awhile until i get to that point

dunno if u saw it yet but check the pinned msgs for v2 plans

[upbeat olive]

default of mutelocalplayervoice is already set to true

you set you were leaning to that

do you mean keep it the same then ?

and if i set that to false i can always hear myself

[deft cape]

oh yeah thats what i meant, just trying to think of sensible defaults for the next update

[deft cape]

yup

[upbeat olive]

ok perfect i will try that

also is spawnonplayer death based on weight or chance %

[deft cape]

chance, it doesn't use the vanilla spawn system at all since it happens wherever the player dies

[upbeat olive]

i already use hardcore mods so having too frequent masked spawn might make it imposible lol

[deft cape]

yea u can just set it to 0 to turn it off in that case

[upbeat olive]

i like having it at a low chance

oh so 3 % chance like i had it was great then

[deft cape]

yeee

[upbeat olive]

i still should use MaskedEnemyOverhaul and the masked fix mod right ?

or is there no need for them anymore

[deft cape]

depends on what you're using MEO for. if all you're using it for is copying the suit/cosmetics then u dont need it

masked fix should still be used cuz mirage doesn't come with any of those changes

until zeekers fixes those vanilla masked bugs you'll probably always want masked fix

[upbeat olive]

we dont use suits anymore

so i guess there is no point for that

my friends wanted to go back to no suits for more game imersion

[deft cape]

do u use ModelReplacementAPI? cuz sadly that's not supported yet. bunya plans on adding support for it when they return to modding soon though

[upbeat olive]

nope

i stopped using that too

[deft cape]

ah you mean the default orange suits eh

[upbeat olive]

yep

we also use no nametags

well it sounds like i dont need overhaul

[deft cape]

definitely don't need MEO then, unless you're using it for spawn control (which mirage will soon have)

[upbeat olive]

but the masked_fix for red screen bug and such is still needed

[deft cape]

yep u got it

[upbeat olive]

nah i dont need spawn control

i already use hardcore mod

so it controls spawning

and events that can have masked etc

i use brutal company minus

with buffed spawns

[deft cape]

ah bet yeah 100% dont need meo then

alright so to anyone who's using MirageExperimental, i now have masked enemies spawn at a 15% chance for natural spawns (weights are internally calculated and modified to fit it). if you want to disable it, there's a config for disabling it, but it's on by default

to anyone who hasn't used the experimental build but wants to try it, don't worry about it being deprecated. it's only set to that to not have it show up in the TS search bar

[light jacinth]

i still would prefer a local voice volume adjust. i already have all my friends mic volumes maxed out ingame and my voice still sounds noticeably louder than theirs. and that’s just me talking at regular volume like normal.
it might be because of my mic setup using voice meeter to increase mic volume.

[deft cape]

whats that behaviour like in the official mirage build? just curious

[light jacinth]

i consider the local voice volume to be perfect as is in official build

[deft cape]

but is it still louder than the other voices? im just wondering if it still has the same behaviour

[solemn ridge]

I will say sometimes in Experimental the voices seem a bit too loud

especially since I manually adjust volumes

[deft cape]

ill have to see how to make it match adjusted volumes for other people's voices

[solemn ridge]

Btw barch what did you change in the latest experimental update?

I tried asking earlier but got no answer

Lmfao

[deft cape]

oh what when'd u ask me LOL

i must've missed the ping

[deft cape]

this

i swear i mentioned this when i pinged u on ur server tho 😂

[eternal bridge]

what's the difference between the normal version and experimental version?

[light jacinth]

qwbarch trying to get the mimic voices to match in filter and volume to actual players

[eternal bridge]

aaahh

i assume once it get's fully perfected it'll just be assimilated into the main version

[light jacinth]

yes

if u want to give experimental a try make sure u allow deprecated mods to show in ur search

[eternal bridge]

i can still see ut

[light jacinth]

it’s been deprecated to hide it from normal users

[eternal bridge]

it doesn't appear deprecared to me

[light jacinth]

then u just have the normal version

MirageExperimental

[eternal bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/audacity-the-audacity-the-audacity-meme-the-audacity-gif-roblox-gif-26184641

[clever knot]

It is not deprecated

[light jacinth]

it’s been undeprecated?

[clever knot]

He probably forgot to put it as deprecated

or just choose to

[deft cape]

oh i forgot to deprecate it lmao oops

[light jacinth]

LOL

[deft cape]

but yea it's supposed to be deprecated to hide it from search so normal users dont end up using it

[eternal bridge]

qwbarch your mod is amazing

[deft cape]

thanks :D

[eternal bridge]

i have an idea that could be in experimental

maybe if a masked enemy actually has a mask their voice is slightly muffled

would kinda mess up things but its interesting in concept

[deft cape]

i could consider it in the future, probably wont do it anytime soon since i wanna go back to working on v2 soon

[eternal bridge]

s'all good

hey i got a question

has it been considered at all to play voicelines like.. in specific scenarios?

[deft cape]

planned in v2, check the pinned messages

[eternal bridge]

ah

maybe some sort of thingie that can tell what you're saying

would be kinda creepy to see a bracken shuffling away while saying "yo this way, follow me"

[deft cape]

yeah v2 will have voice recognition + machine learning to try to pick the best voicelines to play back

[eternal bridge]

niiiicee

[clever knot]

My friends actually thought this mod had voice recognition already lol

One said "Hello where are you"
Mimic said "Come here, there's loot"

was so funny to watch lmao

[deft cape]

lmaoo yeah coincidences like that are so funny

the goal with v2 is to make that more consistent

[eternal bridge]

oh also

have u considered enemies either attempting to talk to each other, or talking more when in close proximity to others? (to simulate players conversing)

[deft cape]

planned in v2 😂

[eternal bridge]

ag

aguh

you thought of everything

[deft cape]

with the current system being random, theres no point, but in v2, one of the goals is to make them able to converse with each other

well technically that's oeis, he's handling the machine learning part of v2

[eternal bridge]

would be so freaking epic to hear masked talking in the ship

[deft cape]

yeee for sure

[eternal bridge]

this has prolly been thought of but it would be nice if it could pick out voicelines relating to thinking someone is a mimic, so they say that you're fake

[deft cape]

u mean if someone asks "are you real" it'll respond appropriately? cuz in that case, that's planned

[eternal bridge]

no

the masked ask if players are real

[deft cape]

oh

well not really planned for now

we'll see

gonna have to make a bunch of adjustments along the way anyways

[light jacinth]

u mention voice recognition

is it gonna use loaforc’s thing?

i think it’s cool, but kinda inconvenient that everyone has to mess with their windows settings to enable voice recognition. wish it was automatic.

[deft cape]

nope, it'll be with this: https://huggingface.co/Systran/faster-whisper-base

users will have to install the cuda drivers though if they want better performance (nvidia only), since that's not something that can just be bundled

[light jacinth]

i’m an amd user 🥹

[deft cape]

it doesn't support amd sadly so amd users will have to just run off the cpu 😭

[fiery hazel]

rip amd users FPSs 😂

[torpid arch]

https://www.amazon.com/GeForce-RTX-2080-Ti/s?k=GeForce+RTX+2080+Ti

😆 it really do be like that

[light jacinth]

i got 16gb of vram that i think some ai models would appreciate 🥲 no cuda tho

[light jacinth]

i have 6950xt, i think a 2080ti would be a downgrade 😅

[deft cape]

i wish there's better support for amd gpus, but sadly ever package i run into only supports cuda 😭

alright so for MirageExperimental users, i've pushed some changes:

• Masked enemies are now capped at 2 when overriding the natural spawns
• When you adjust other player's volumes, it now reflects in the mimicked voices as well
• Added a config option called LocalPlayerVolume, which allows you to adjust the volume of voice mimics for the local player
  and if you're someone new looking to try the experimental build, you can safely ignore the fact that it's deprecated. it's only there to hide it from TS search

@light jacinth so for you, you'll probably want to try setting LocalPlayerVolume to 0.8 (the default is 1, and has to be a value of 0-1)

if this final experimental build works well, i'll probably be pushing it to the official mirage package soon

[rain mountain]

we played with experimental tonight and i still feel like the voices are a little off

[deft cape]

@rain mountain what do u think is missing? 😮

[rain mountain]

i feel like the filters may be wrong??? it sounds too clear to me

[deft cape]

ah wait for that i think the latest experimental build might fix it

one of the filters were disabled by default for whatever reason, and i re-enabled it

if u end up playing the latest experimental build, lmk how it is for u

[rain mountain]

for sure

[light jacinth]

i’ll check out the new experimental later and get u feedback

[nova star]

I might be able to play and test it out tonight if I'm good and do some school work first after the kids have dinner lol.

[light jacinth]

👁️ 👁️

wuz cooking?

[deft cape]

wait u noticed the push to experimental? 😂
latest version fixes a bug with the newly added LocalPlayerVolume option, it was being applied to every player rather than just the local player, and i accidentally synced the option to all players as well, which should be fixed now

[nova star]

Ohhh, I thought they were asking me what I was cooking lmao. I was like, probably just some mac n cheese lol

[deft cape]

oh LMAO could be

i only thought sashimi was talking about the new version cuz i legit just pushed

[nova star]

I mean, that could be it too hahaha

[light jacinth]

oh yeah lmao i meant the new experimental 🤣 it does sound like i’m asking what’s for dinner given the context

although u can’t go wrong with mac n cheese 😋

[deft cape]

how'd u even find the update that fast im curious

it doesn't even show up on r2 yet LOL

[light jacinth]

once in a while i take a glance at #thunderstore-releases

[deft cape]

ohhhhhhhhhhhh no wonder

that some perfect timing

😂

[light jacinth]

it was

[deft cape]

unexpected tf2 👀

[deft cape]

did anyone get the chance to try the new experimental build? if it's good, i'll probably be pushing it to the official package soon

[tepid condor]

what add?

[deft cape]

for the experimental build? mainly changes with how the mimicked voices sound (it should actually sound identical to real voices now), as well as spawn control for masked enemies being added

[tepid condor]

noice

small idea prob wont be used since it always get any voice anytime, but if there are no voice lines it could play a random enemy sound effect

[deft cape]

personally not a fan of that sorry

so not planned

[broken mango]

So I'm able to use the experimental build then?

[broken mango]

Is there anything/issue I should be aware of experimental mirage?

[deft cape]

oh im probably gonna push the experimental changes to the official build soon

[indigo cargo]

When returning to the main interface of the game, will the stored sound clips be cleared? I encountered a problem that when 10 players are online at the same time, after playing for a while, the game suddenly becomes sluggish. Even if the host returns to the main interface of the game and then enters the game again, it is still very sluggish. Checking the logs shows warnings about the Dissonance audio buffer, indicating that very late data packets have been received. In addition, there are warnings that the audio heap has become very large.

[deft cape]

changes are looking good to me

[deft cape]

sound clips are stored on disk, so the issue is likely unrelated to mirage.
dissonance logs always shows when lagging, so if you have another mod causing lag, dissonance will still log those warnings

but to answer about when sound clips are deleted, by default it's only deleted when closing the game i believe

you can turn an option on that deletes them every round (when pulling the lever)

[indigo cargo]

Thank you, I have already turned on this setting.

[autumn glen]

what are the experimental changes?

[lofty sorrel]

@autumn glen

[autumn glen]

me when I'm blind

[lofty sorrel]

Mfw

[autumn glen]

[deft cape]

oh i'll be pushing it to the official build soon anyways, everything is working well when i tested it

so not technically experimental anymore

[lofty sorrel]

If a mad scientist releases their mutant from its growth tube, does it stop being an experiment?

[deft cape]

if that mutant is their end goal, that's a feature 😎

[autumn glen]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

qwbarch ^

[deft cape]

[broken mango]

With this new version-

Can I select what modded enemies can speak?

Or is that feature still WIP?

[deft cape]

that wont come till v2

so it'll be awhile

[broken mango]

ah okay

[eternal bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-enter-sandman-the-masked-lethal-company-the-masked-lethal-company-masks-gif-13175466374478856285

[deft cape]

Mirage v1.3.0 is released:

Note: This update removes a couple config entries in favour of new ones. You can safely ignore any orphaned config entries.

• Removed the config entry AlwaysMuteLocalPlayer in favour of LocalPlayerVolume.
• Removed the config entry EnableNaturalSpawn as it only made sense to have in the past.
• Added the config entry LocalPlayerVolume.
  • Allows you to adjust the playback volume for voice mimics of the local player.
  • Value must be between 0-1.
  • Default is set to 1.
  • This config entry is not synced to other players, as it's personal preference on what volume you want for your own "mimics".
• Added the config entry EnableOverrideSpawnChance, which allows you to enable/disable the OverrideSpawnChance config.
  • Default is set to true.
  • If you want to use a different spawn control mod (such as LethalQuantities), simply set this to false.

• Added the config entry OverrideSpawnChance, allowing you to control how often masked enemies should spawn.
  • Value must be between 0-100 (as it's a percentage).
  • Default is set to 15.
  • Not to be confused with spawn weights. This will internally calculate the spawn weights for each moon to fit the desired percentage.
  • This will overwrite the spawn weights set by LethalQuantities and LethalLevelLoader. If you want to use those mods for spawn control, set EnableOverrideSpawnChance to false.
  • Masked enemies spawn this way is capped at 2 (this counter is not shared with the SpawnOnPlayerDeath feature).
• Mimicking voices should actually sound like real player voices now.
  • This was previously attempted by imitating all the settings/filters that dissonance uses.
  • This is now replaced by using what dissonance uses internally.
• Enemies that mimic non-player voices now adjust playback volume, if the mimicking player's volume has been adjusted.
• Re-added support for LobbyCompatibility.
• ImitationMode is now set to NoRepeat by default, to provide a better experience right out of the box.

[broken mango]

EPIC

[deft cape]

so unless any new issues arise with the new update, i probably won't be doing anything for v1 anymore

gonna go back to working on v2 again finally

[dark brook]

ooohhh cool

found a bug today with lgu's interns if you get turned into a masked

if that happens the masked cant kill anyone

[deft cape]

oh i didn't know lgu touches masked enemies

[dark brook]

it doesnt, interns spawns you back into the game if you die

sooooooo

that happens

[dark brook]

randomly in the complex

and apparently the masked doesnt despawn

[deft cape]

sounds like something lgu would have to fix since mirage doesn't have any custom ai logic

[dark brook]

yeah imma report that to them

[deft cape]

ah bet

[lilac saffron]

Yippeee

[light jacinth]

the same masked that killed you will become unable to kill you again afterwards. pretty sure it’s a bug from vanilla. reproducible by becoming invincible with dev mode and letting a masked attack you. that same masked can’t do anything to you (and maybe others? hadn’t tested in multiplayer).

so i guess reviving yourself with LGU interns kinda reproduces those conditions

[solemn ridge]

@deft cape Glad I could be a good beta tester for you 🫡 glad to finally see the changes get pushed to stable I'll remove Experimental from the pack

[deft cape]

ya thanks for running with experimental all this time 🥺

[versed lichen]

I dont have to regenerate my config right?

[solemn ridge]

Now to hope the new build doesn't break on stream later

Lmfao

[solemn ridge]

I would do it

There will be some Orphean entries otherwise

[deft cape]

don't need to

orphaned entries don't matter

it doesn't do anything

other than showing up in ur config

[solemn ridge]

Yeah it's just better to keep configs clean

[versed lichen]

ah ok I think I'll do it so I don't get confused

[deft cape]

you could just delete just the orphaned entries

if you open up the file directly

[versed lichen]

oh fr

[deft cape]

instead of regenerating the whole thing

[solemn ridge]

for me regenerating and setting up configs again is normal

[deft cape]

that sounds like a pain in the ass 😭

[solemn ridge]

I mean

It can be

most of the times I only have to do small edits though

so it's gucci

😄

the amount of times I've regenerated the config for WeatherTweaks cus mrov breaks beta and I revert to stable

😅

[deft cape]

imo the easiest is: just leave the orphaned entries there 😂

[solemn ridge]

Eh I like to keep them removed just for safety measures if anything, sometimes configs do weird shit like how if you leave a config from a mod you've uninstalled it can cause weirdness lol

[soft hollow]

wait what

peak upload

[broken mango]

yes

[deft cape]

[soft hollow]

= maximum pain for me

how much of the configs do i have to redo

fuck ill read

[ivory mason]

I just remade mine to be on the safe side

[deft cape]

u dont need to remake it if u dont want to

ive still been running with the orphaned config entries

cuz im too lazy to redo anything

[soft hollow]

I clean my configs.

https://tenor.com/view/staring-black-man-staring-black-men-staring-black-men-men-staring-gif-25096788

[deft cape]

if anything just delete the entries

[soft hollow]

I always, clean my configs.

[deft cape]

u dont need to remake it

like u dont need to delete ur config and make a new one

just remove the orphaned ones

[soft hollow]

nah

Im that reverse lazy

[deft cape]

wtf

bro wants to do extra work

😭

[light jacinth]

that’s crazy

[soft hollow]

Im the man who PHOTOSHOPS IN DAVINCI RESOLVE

[deft cape]

https://tenor.com/view/boykisser-you-like-kissing-boys-don't-you-cat-lowpoly-3d-gif-9960745507421464646

[light jacinth]

this man isn’t sane

[soft hollow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/929807268994744340/1064404136218611783/caption-7.gif

[deft cape]

fr 😭

[eternal bridge]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-gif-20130371

[deft cape]

GOKU DRIP

[upbeat compass]

https://tenor.com/view/kiss-boys-kisser-mega-kot-brick-gif-11900063593491011307

[lofty sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-cartoon-eating-cartoon-man-running-gif-24721662

[deft cape]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-26283306

[soft hollow]

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/24hJpOjwrldki7/d1337q9zVpdm?invite=cr-MSxSeGgsMTQ3NDQxNTIs

[deft cape]

LMFAOO it's so funny to see ur pov since i saw u actually stuck, looking like a msked enemy on lunxara's screen

[clever knot]

How did you make the clock show while spectating?

[soft hollow]

uh

Imma take a wild guess and say LCBetterClock

Actually lied

[clever knot]

Yeah but there's no option for it to be shown while spectating

[clever knot]

Ah ok, thanks

Does this work with FPSSpectate?

[light jacinth]

he’s real and he’s bugged. real bugged.

[lofty sorrel]

Ummmmmm I died and became a Masked on the company ☝️ 🤓

@torpid arch Could you fix this bug pls thanks

[eternal bridge]

nooo

we need this

its cool

[deft cape]

wait lunxara has SpawnOnPlayerDeath enabled? 🤔 i thought it was off

[deft cape]

mrov gotta fix mrog

[deft cape]

it should work if you have NavMeshInCompany installed, and SpawnOnPlayerDeath at a non-zero value

but if SpawnOnPlayerDeath spawns a masked enemy without a navmesh inside the company building, that's a bug for sure

[lofty sorrel]

10%, only when alone, but it was right in front of her

[deft cape]

the "only when alone" thing is a vanilla value, so my guess is that it's always returning true when you're in the company building

did it spawn and just stay stuck? i'm assuming it can't move without a nav mesh

[lofty sorrel]

Yeah stuck

[deft cape]

😭

i'll investigate one day™️

[eternal bridge]

kinda like scientists in HL1

[solemn ridge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/SucculentFancyMartenBCWarrior-gDtSJZCyjWlprjQZ

Gdi Barch