General Improvements

[cerulean thunder]

IT’S A… G-G-G-GHOST!?!

😱

[weary barn]

Is this a GI issue?

I'm getting spammed and at a 400MB log file

[cold minnow]

I have been testing General Improvements and I have noticed that the FPS gets impacted whenever I use 1.1.5, 1.1.6 and 1.1.7.

1.1.4 seems fine though as the FPS does not seem to be impacted almost at all.

Any version above 1.1.4 does not affect my FPS a lot if the mod count is kept at a minimum (duh).

Version 1.1.4 affects FPS rarely even with 50+ mods.

I hope this helps, idk I could be wrong but the issue may have probably started in version 1.1.5

[scarlet roost]

can you show the settings

im on the latest and we dont get any fps issues tho

i have 165 mods

my config is this

we are on an 8 man crew

@cold minnow

[bold edge]

Same but I use only 30 mods, everything's fine

[cold minnow]

Interesting, idk then, maybe you have a better machine that me or something else

[scarlet roost]

1660ti

you have texture packs or something?

you using OpenBodyCams? or Solos Bodycams? or even that VHS BODYCAM RESHADE?

[cold minnow]

No, no and no

018d713b-6b41-4395-4056-b4f7b50cd699
This my mod pack (Note) I have personally customized the settings for each mod to avoid conflicts or to balance the game, the settings probably don't trasfer through code

If you wanna take a look go ahead, personally being stuck in version 1.1.4 does not bother me as I am not really losing anything essential.

[scarlet roost]

codes copy your config

[cold minnow]

Interesting, it didn't do it before for me

Thats good to know at least

[scarlet roost]

question

what is your gpu?

and did you set your gpu as your main usage for games.

cuz a friend of mine was having fps issues in games before till i checked her gpu usage. basically was using her internal GPU. and we set her GPU to dedicated to graphics related and now she can play in 4k on Hunt Showdown

can now run 180fps...

on her 4080...

[cold minnow]

I see il do that then

[scarlet roost]

what is your gpu anyway?

cuz if its higher than 1660ti then you shouldnt even lag really even if you use hd textures

cuz i can run those with only losing like 10fps

[cold minnow]

NVDIA GeForce RTX 3050 Laptop GPU

[scarlet roost]

lol

what is your current fps

with the mods

set your gpu to dedicated on the control panel

[cold minnow]

WIthout General Imporvements v1.1.7 its between 60 to 110

[scarlet roost]

im running 1660ti and i have 140fps with GI btw

[cold minnow]

Interesting

Is yours better or mine, i really don't know if your device ot mine is better

[dense sky]

when I first used this mod with extra monitors turned on my FPS was halved (lost about 75-85 FPS)

then a week ago I lost about 50 FPS when I went outside the ship with extra monitors turned on and about 10 fps when in the ship after an update
(an improvement of about 30-40 FPS from when I first used this mod)
disabling use better monitors made me go from losing 40-50 FPS to about 10 FPS outside

[proud anvil]

Huh... so adding fontfixer got $'s working, also ModelReplacementAPI fixes not seeing yourself on internal monitors

[scarlet roost]

i did mention that

it's kinda funny

[proud anvil]

im super stoked anyway to see it all come together

[scarlet roost]

i tried removing the ModelReplacementAPI because i wanted to remove the woman suits

since it was the only one i had that needs it

then i couldn't see myself lol in the camera

because the suits that depends on ModelReplacementAPI can't use cosmetics like the ones in MoreCompany

they would not be able to use items specifically once they use emotes

they will be there but stuck and gets desync

well at least that is good to know

[edgy tartan]

I don't see myself...

No cosmetics...

[scarlet roost]

we dont know why you cant see yourself but with ModelReplacementAPI, you can see yourself on that screen

or rather. "we" dont know why ahahah

they might fix that eventually

temp fix is the model replacement mod

[quartz quartz]

lethal company (especially with mods) seems to be very cpu intensive. so idk if gpu would matter much unless the gpu is much weaker than the cpu

the more mods you add, the less fps because of the cpu

[bold edge]

Huh? I've never seen my CPU to be loaded more than 50% in Lethal Company

[scarlet roost]

same

i set mine to GPU mode

most of my game's load goes to my gpu

[quartz quartz]

the only mod i can think of that can affect gpu much is hdlethalcompany

[quartz quartz]

that doesn't mean anything

my cpu is like 30% as well as my gpu

the game doesn't use all cores so you wouldn't see 100% cpu

[bold edge]

And that's a shame because it could

[quartz quartz]

most games don't

some run on single core, some run on a few cores, some on alot

depends on the game

[quartz quartz]

if your gpu is at 100% then yeah you're gpu bound

[bold edge]

I'd love if Lethal Company would. Because running cyberpunk on high settings results in the same amount of fps as lethal company and this makes no sense

[quartz quartz]

lmao that's somewhat true but the difference is cyberpunk uses alot more gpu

[real grove]

well, the obvious answer is because Cyberpunk uses DX12 as default and DX12 is optimized for multi-core loads. Lethal company runs on DX11. Also increasing the amount of cores used by the game would require a lot of engine tinkering which would be pretty hard for modders to do.

That's why laptops have pretty hard times running modded Lethal because before Zen4 and 12th gen, single core performance on laptop CPUs/APUs is pretty terrible

[novel sequoia]

You can force LC on DX12 but honestly, do NOT do it. You'll regret it :S

[edgy tartan]

10gb...

Memory

With my build of 170 mods

There was always a maximum of 3-4

And now it jumps to 10, I don’t understand

[tawny sapphire]

are u using experimental skinwalkers version?

[edgy tartan]

Yes

Is it because of him?

crap...

Which version is better to use?

I just run around alone and remain silent

[sour rain]

it uses memory instead of disk to store voice files

[edgy tartan]

Is he recording emptiness?

[edgy tartan]

Exactly

I remembered

[tawny sapphire]

try using the normal version. They split them into two separate releases.

[edgy tartan]

Now I'm going to use 4.0.0

I’m generally silent about what he writes down there...

[tawny sapphire]

On the other hand it's not necessarily a bad thing unless it's a leak and doesn't stop allocating more and more memory. Free RAM is useless RAM.
10GB is pretty intense tho. Don't know what kind of stuff you have installed. There are cosmetics and such on store that are waaaay too big as in extremely unoptimized.

[edgy tartan]

I have the most different loot and moons

I partially gave up cosmetics and suits

[tawny sapphire]

Could be some loot using huge assets then..

[edgy tartan]

Can you look at my build and tell me what is better to remove for performance?

[tawny sapphire]

You can post it but I'll probably have no idea.
Best thing you can do is deactivate half of your mods and see if it still happens. Then deduct in which half the problematic mod is and split that half again, deactivate half of it. Keep repeating that process.
Don't deactivate using mod manager, just go into the plugins folder with file explorer and move half of the mod somewhere else temporarily. It's faster.

[edgy tartan]

I've already done this

And I can guess what the problem might be

Various loot and sounds

Thanks for the info, I'll test it further

[queen summit]

Are there any updates on this? Or is this even considered?

[weary barn]

Is it possible to add the items by name manually I wonder?

:hmmge:

[queen summit]

That is a very interesting question!

According to the description, it is not 🙂

[weary barn]

Oh, I honestly didn't recall but I've seen similar things done for other mods, i.e, better teleporter

[queen summit]

Yeah, me to, but those didn't specificly tell you accepted values like this description:

[weary barn]

Right

[real grove]

well yeah, you have to create a game with DX12 in mind for it to run well on that API

[novel sequoia]

Yeah I know but just incase anyone thought it was a big brain move for some reason haha. Regrets will be made ^^

[edgy tartan]

Sometime after the Storm, the lightning charge icon froze...

But now there is a beautiful HUD of slots with effects :3

[novel sequoia]

Maybe 170+ of the mods you're using is doing something, try reproduce on it's on or with select mods of choice at a time 😛

@edgy tartan

[edgy tartan]

It doesn’t matter, I just didn’t reset the item in time - so the effect froze

[novel sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/11-gif-25712393

[sour rain]

usebettermonitors doesn't use point filtering on the screens

it seems

also the sales monitor is weirdly aligned with usebettermonitors

it seems ok without

[sour rain]

using the medkit at critical injury causes you to get stuck in the critical injury state

no sprint meter, red tint, etc.

[broken crescent]

Oh interesting thanks for the heads up

[light girder]

I love this setup for the monitors

[edgy tartan]

You said that this mod affects performance, but how exactly?

[drifting quail]

how to see yourself on the internal cam again after removing modelreplacement api?

[edgy tartan]

I also had this problem, but I didn’t think that the problem was in the API Model... even more so after removal

Magic 🔥

[drifting quail]

i was able to see myself before i installed modelreplacement, and when i installed modelreplacement i only was modelreplacement skins and not normal, now i uninstall modelreplacement and cant see myself in the cam

[edgy tartan]

This cat is laughing at our problem

[drifting quail]

well i just tried removing all suits but nothing helped

[edgy tartan]

Should I reinstall the game and install mods again?

I don't know if this will help

[drifting quail]

well im not going to do that, its probably just that this mod needs to do a hotfix

[edgy tartan]

I need to write to them about this, but I don’t know where

[grave heron]

when you look in it's direction while on a moon or with a lot of items on the ship, the frames will tank from 60 to 20 sometimes, but stay in a stable 40 when looking at it

[grave heron]

what's the color of the text

copy and paste it into here or my dms

[edgy tartan]

If you turn off the monitors, will the FPS return to normal? will there be optimization in the future?

[grave heron]

i just use the vanilla 8

but if you gonna use the vanilla 8

use the config monitors from 1 to 8

[dense sky]

When turning off the monitors I only lost about 10 fps instead of around 50 fps
my experience [here](#1199836228858675330 message)

[grave heron]

if you use the vanilla monitors, the fps WILL drop slightly by like 15-10 fps

acceptable really

but i got my fps capped to 60 so idk

[weary barn]

Is this actually a GI issue?

Seems to randomly occur out of the blue and spams the log to high hell

[hearty ivy]

for me its more like 15 - 20 fps less with GI, no matter the settings

and can confirm that it wasnt like that few updates ago

[narrow oriole]

I wonder, does the framerate return to normal if you're looking away from the ship?

[hearty ivy]

its getting better, but still not as high as without Gi

even when far from the ship or inside facility, also tried without any camera

[narrow oriole]

gotcha, then it's probably not related to cameras

well removing the cameras from the visible screens doesn't necessarily disable their rendering

so it's not entirely ruled out

(unless Shaosil says it is)

UnityExplorer could tell you whether they are rendering though

[hearty ivy]

might be this, not sure thats a "graphical" limitation like for reference im running on a 3080, bottleneck come from my cpu

[narrow oriole]

really depends on which and how many cameras it is, but yeah, that does seem like a high difference

if it was related to a body cam that would be a possibility, but I would assume that it wouldn't be fixed by disabling GI then

[hearty ivy]

bodycam surely take a bunch of fps, but using both doesnt seem to get really worse, tried with only GI, still loose like 20fps (and better monitor On or Off is almost the same, actually using ON seems to have a little bit less dip)

[narrow oriole]

ah yeah

that is really curious

[hearty ivy]

really

[broken crescent]

That actually could be. I'll have to investigate my monitor cam code to make sure I'm handling unexpected missing references. No idea what would be cause it offhand though. I see that log says it started in the UpdateDaysSinceDeathMonitors function - do you know if that's always the case?

[weary barn]

I don't know if it's always the case, but I was dead when it was spamming

While in oribt, all went back to normal

[sour rain]

https://github.com/Shaosil/LethalCompanyMods-GeneralImprovements/issues/112

i've seen the same issue that's being reported here

it seems like some sort of behavior is causing hudmanager to crash

im not sure if it's due to a mod conflict but it seems very likely that is the case

since i've never had this issue in "mostly vanilla" but it happens semi-frequently in larger packs

interestingly it doesnt always seem to print an exception in the console/log

the first time i got some sort of nullref in hudmanager but ever since then it just hasn't been logging anything

this is a major gamebreaking bug because it completely prevents you from interacting with anything, using items (left click, Q, E, etc.), or scrolling through your hotbar

wish i knew how to consistently replicate it or any sort of other info for debugging

it seems most likely related to inventory changing? i've had it happen while dropping a lot of items together, picking up a lot of items really fast, scrolling through while dropping stuff, etc.

this is with all inventory settings off on my end, and I'm like 99% sure everyone else in the lobby had them off too

it happens for both the host and clients

just very very infrequently

[jolly geyser]

okay so there isn't a list of customizable ship monitor names i can find that will activate the thing that I want it to do so I can't figure out how im supposed to customize monitors lol

[proud anvil]

The config file itself, Lethalconfig doesn't show the options

[jolly geyser]

oh damn

[proud anvil]

ikr, sortof a pain, but if you go splitscreen it's easier

[slate lynx]

Found something odd, in the config.
I gain 10 FPS by setting this blank.
ShipMonitor12 = InternalCam
Despite having UseBetterMonitors = false
can anyone else reproduce this? only running this mod alone during testing.

[edgy tartan]

@broken crescent Are you still planning to add different jokes to this mod?

I have a couple of offers, but I'm not sure if they'll go through

[clever pawn]

Jokes?

[edgy tartan]

?

The translator misunderstood me

Useful features*

[solemn granite]

Lol, shtooki and shootki

[edgy tartan]

This problem has already been discussed

Perhaps if you have ever used the 3D model API, this may happen

But it’s not entirely clear yet...

[grave heron]

i got about 70 fps in LC on my laptop with my 3060, got the igpu also, but switched to the 3060, still the same

other games like cod WZ3.0 run smoothly at 60 fps at my settings

was there a game update on steam recently or no, if so then i need to update the game

@mighty lily i can make the default monitor positions if people need them

in 5 hours as that's the earliest i'll be home

[scarlet roost]

oh damn

why is it low for that rig

cpu?

i don't think there's an update for the game yet

haven't played since saturday though

[grave heron]

@mighty lily here you go

test the last monitor though as i'm not certain

if it's number 9 or number 10

either way i think both screenshots deserve to be pinned just in case :p

[scarlet roost]

i think its 9

since we cant touch the one in the middle yet

and with bettermonitors on. 13 is the big screen on the left and 14 is the big screen on the right

[grave heron]

yeh

[grave heron]

here's a redirect to the redirect that redirects to the screens

coolio

[quartz quartz]

is there a specific config that causes performane issues?

bcause i notice fps loss from this and from LC_Office

oh it appears this is a known issue

[edgy tartan]

I need more FPS and stability(((

[quartz quartz]

you can go back to a previous update or disable the mod

[scarlet roost]

i still wonder how you guys have unstable games really

its a mystery

its not like something is using your cpu and gpu

[quartz quartz]

80fps is unstable for me 🙂

[scarlet roost]

i run a lot of mods but mine runs normally

144fps at most

with 1660 ti

[quartz quartz]

the game is playable for me but i keep in mind how the game would run on my friend's laptop

[quartz quartz]

honestly idk. some mods release new updates and break everything

[scarlet roost]

true

i also check that

which is why i have a guinea pig i always drag with me cuz he has a 1080

[quartz quartz]

then i have to figrue out which one

[scarlet roost]

if he can play

then its good

[quartz quartz]

didn't understand 💀

[scarlet roost]

the requirement of LC is 1050 gpu

[edgy tartan]

No mods xd

There's a problem with mods

[quartz quartz]

1080 is better than 1660 ti

[scarlet roost]

basically. i drag my friend with tons of mods with 1080

lol

he cant run hd textures and the hd texture body cam from solos

[edgy tartan]

HIGH_LETHAL_LONERS: 018d7ddc-45d0-e066-01c4-a6024995c6de (Moons + generation + loot)
Try it

[scarlet roost]

it kills his fps to 10

[edgy tartan]

Disabling Russian language

And tell me how much FPS you have on any map)

[quartz quartz]

but if you remember what i said before, mods affect cpu mostly

[scarlet roost]

yeah

i forgot what his cpu tho

[quartz quartz]

the game barely uses my gpu

[scarlet roost]

i cant try till my off

[edgy tartan]

She just doesn't know how to use resources correctly

Unity

[scarlet roost]

ill check my fps with it tho

[quartz quartz]

some mods run alot of functions continuously and affect the performance alot. optimization issues

[scarlet roost]

i dunno what kind of mods you have but good luck to me ahaha

maybe the mods i use doesnt use a lot of fps then

[quartz quartz]

yeah probably

but the mods that affect the performance the most rn are LC_Office and GeneralImprovements for me

[scarlet roost]

018d6ff9-beb9-8b24-357d-417eefa86ebb @edgy tartan try mine

tho i dont think you would use the better monitors. i set up mine with it

still waiting for someone to add door buttons on the monitor

instead of that floating carbon copy of the door buttons onto the front of the ship

so far the only one i saw was that zoom button on the monitor

which is very nice

combine that with tworadar mod. now you can properly have a duo in the ship to handle the watching

one is on the terminal while the other is on the monitors

just add touchscreen on the monitors and they can tag team disable or open doors

which is useful when yo have like more than 8 to 15 people or something

[edgy tartan]

for me, the button on the door monitor is too casual)))

[regal elk]

So is setting the FPS of the monitor cameras to unrestricted help with FPS gain?

[scarlet roost]

we normally have 2 people in the group that likes to troll the crew. 1 would properly open and close the door and the other one opens it to let the dogs "In"

normally the one that helps runs towards the terminal to help the crew. while the other makes noise and bring the dogs in and open the doors and then wear the mask

its a fun combo lol

normally we would sell all the horns and they would still manage to hide one lol

a lot keeps getting killed in the counter cuz of it lol. then they will have a shovel fight every time lol

besides. we have that door power on the monitors now. rather than running at the back, having a button in front seems fine

i forgot who was going to make it tho

not Shaosil nor zaggy. i forgot who was going to make one

[scarlet roost]

so far for me its better unrestricted. i dont get fps drops that way unlike when i set it to 30 or 45

i tried 15 and i felt some fps drops

[regal elk]

huh ok

[tawny sapphire]

I'd like to confirm something that was brought up recently in this thread. GeneralImprovements drops my average framerate by a lot but not limited to inside ship. Even outside and inside the dungeon I drop from a pretty consistent 120fps (limited with RTSS) down to 60-90 FPS. That's only the average framerate though. Frametimes get REALLY bad with 1% lows close to 30 fps even when just standing outside doing nothing which results in a lot of perceived stutter.

This is my config

[sturdy roost]

does it happen if you leave the ship cameras at their default resolution?

[tawny sapphire]

will try that later. on my way to the gym rn

[broken crescent]

Also see if leaving them out completely (do not assign them to monitors) is the culprit. And I guess try limiting their frames while you're at it to like 1-5, out of curiosity. In theory, 0/unrestricted may be the best performance though

Enjoy the workout!

[tawny sapphire]

I tried limiting to 1 fps before which was worse. Like really bad frametimes.
Thanks!

[sour rain]

@tawny sapphire

i would say give this a try

it is curious

i know your config uses bettermonitors so it might not help in your specific case

[edgy tartan]

@broken crescent Are you planning to add new features to this mod?

[sour rain]

but it would be interesting if this does actually have some sort of noticeable effect on frames for others

[edgy tartan]

I just have a couple of suggestions...

[broken crescent]

Yeah I'm still working on it and adding things, I've just been a bit busier than usual the last few days

[edgy tartan]

Sounds intriguing

I just see so many mods every day, and I wanted to voice a couple of them and find out if it’s possible to add them to your config

[broken crescent]

All suggestions are welcome 🙂

[edgy tartan]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Gloveman23/MoonPriceDisplay/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Monkeytype/HidePlayerNames/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Monkeytype/HideChat/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Um_no/QualityCompany/

Is it possible to pick up something from these mods?

With QualityCompany only the value of things in slots

I really liked the mechanics, as the value in the color scheme shows

What is more expensive is more rare, like some weapon in an MMORPG xd

But HidePlayerNames and HideChat are slightly outdated, although they work

But the chat somehow fails and sometimes turns on just like that when no one even writes

[broken crescent]

👍🏼 I put all that in my backlog

[edgy tartan]

Holy shit

Then I'm waiting for a future update

Can't wait to test it all

But I still have a question

[broken crescent]

No promises on the speed though lol, I have lots on the backlog 🤣

[edgy tartan]

Does this put a slight load on one mod that has so many functions?

It was always interesting

What is more profitable - when mods change the interface separately or all in one?

[broken crescent]

Hmm, it really depends. Not in particular because each patch is only run as needed, and it doesn't hurt to have a lot of options.

The only downside I guess would be it's harder to diagnose individual problems if I don't keep it well organized

[edgy tartan]

About the latter to the point

If there are many configs and one conflicts

In principle, you can simply turn it off and continue solving problems

Or wait for an update

It all sounds complicated

You can't keep all your eggs in one basket

[drifting quail]

Any update on fixing so you can see yourself in the internal cam?

[edgy tartan]

It’s not clear yet, but they will be soon

This is a problem with the Vanilla version cameras themselves, isn’t it?

[broken crescent]

I've briefly looked into this and I'm currently not sure why it sometimes shows yourself and sometimes doesn't, it seems to update in game for no discernable reason

[edgy tartan]

I think this is not the most important task now

Look at yourself from the outside xD

It's difficult to work with a translator...

Looking forward to new information!

[scarlet roost]

can we have a 4090 gpu downloaded in next future updates ahahaha. jokes aside, where do we see the roadmap of your potential updates or considered to be working on?

[edgy tartan]

Better let it be a surprise

[scarlet roost]

well that is true

[broken crescent]

Ha! Yeah really, I should make a Trello board or something. I'm currently using a combination of my Github issues page and Notepad++ 😄

[limber depot]

Hello!

A small suggestion regarding the terminal screen of scrap outside the ship
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/SillySquad/BetterTotalScrap/

[broken crescent]

Do you mean you want it to display the original value along with the scrap remaining?

[bold edge]

Correct value at least 😄

[broken crescent]

Ah, the monitor uses the same algorithm the terminal 'scan' command does, which is an approximate value (it's not supposed to be exact)

I guess I can add an option to display the exact amount instead though

[bold edge]

Oh, I always used "ScanFix" mod so I never even knew 😆

[edgy tartan]

Popular mods gathered :3

[edgy tartan]

By the way, I still don’t understand what it shows...

General statistics at the end?

or what?

From the total amount on the planet - and that which he brought to the ship from there

[bold edge]

1500 out of the 2320 left outside the ship

[edgy tartan]

Understood

[sour rain]

i like that the scan feature is approximate

leaving the planet already gives you the exact value in generalimprovements

and the command literally says "approximate value"

[inner furnace]

I smell scraps

[sour rain]

generalimprovements fixes the [scanForItems] bug with the nutcracker shotgun and the incorrect scrap value multiplier

which were the two issues that actually made the command difficult to use

the object count is exact and TBH it doesnt matter if the 1 object left is $31 or $33

[edgy tartan]

and if I have a separate scanFix mod and included in another mod, they don't conflict, do they?

[grave heron]

bro it tanks frames as shit

idk if internal camera is even useful in the vanilla game even

[edgy tartan]

you need a powerful computer and rtx4090

[grave heron]

my 3060 6 gb runs other games like alan wake 2 on minimum fine

[edgy tartan]

It's not enough for this game, it's more popular than Alan wake, you need a more powerful computer

[grave heron]

runs alright

meeting all the reqs but not vram

but that's no issue

for the most part

i hate you matrix the awakens

[tawny sapphire]

So I tried pretty much everything I could think of. Resolutions to 1 or 5, leaving all monitors empty, disabling UseBetterMonitors. I tried disabling pretty much every setting from the config alltogether. None of that improved the performance reliably.
The only thing that does is reverting back to 1.1.3. I wonder if it could have anything to do with one of the new things to put on monitor or maybe this Updated the credits monitor to refresh a few times a second to guarantee it catches any credits changes, whether from vanilla or other mods. or that Slight potential performance improvement when paired with OpenBodyCams

[broken crescent]

Ok, so 1.1.4 is much worse performance than 1.1.3?

[narrow oriole]

usually what mods do to change that is mess with the layer on the local player's LOD0 model, so if you check that with UnityExplorer maybe you'll get some clues

[broken crescent]

The only thing that I can see offhand that might be affecting it is the the health display text is being set every frame. Did you happen to try disabling that?

The credits are updating 4 times per second or so, I could do it less but I don't think that would cause issues

[narrow oriole]

it may be that some mods like model replacement or mirror modify the culling mask of the internal camera to make the invisible enemies layer visible on internal cam, if it isn't already visible in vanilla

[broken crescent]

Yeah that might be why it changes a lot for me - I have the mirror mod

[narrow oriole]

yeah

I know for a fact that mirror mod abuses the invis enemies layer so I believe you can see the dress girl on it after she disappears

[narrow oriole]

updating credits should be a simple field access in Terminal right? I wonder if the camera enabled fixes affected it, I was curious about that before

[broken crescent]

In this case I do a check 4/s to see if what we are currently displaying is different than Terminal.groupCredits, and if so, update and rerender the monitors that display credits. I guess even if it hits it multiple times a second, the actual monitors only update when there is a change

[grave heron]

the mod itself does not affect my frames, the monitors do

[narrow oriole]

yeah, assuming the logic to avoid updating works I would think it's fine

[broken crescent]

Those ship cams are the biggest offender I believe. Very unoptimized. I wonder if they're even using post processing... I should check that

They should not be, I would think

They do appear to be using volume layers. Hmm. I should play with that and see if disabling post processing for them improves performance

[grave heron]

the ship cams are capped at 25 frames for me, no additional fixes to the cams added

both internal and external

i do use this (https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/stormytuna/BetterSecurityCameras/)

but that only works for the external

internal doesn't change from what i've seen

[narrow oriole]

@broken crescent looks like the radar map never stops rendering when leaving the ship

(without OpenBodyCams installed)

[tawny sapphire]

Going through versions step by step rn. 1.1.4 also seems fine but downgrading also reset my config in some parts.
Not using the HP setting btw

[grave heron]

yeah no this was the culprit, but default camera's look so Low Res

[tawny sapphire]

change the res with GeneralImprovements?

[narrow oriole]

wait sorry disregard this, I forgot I had another relevant mod enabled, lemme check again

ah, yeah, the cameras do shut off properly when leaving the ship, sorry

[grave heron]

will test

this is so good

[tawny sapphire]

I experience performance going down switching from 1.1.4 to 1.1.5.
Confirmed this by going back to 1.1.4, back to 1.1.5 and back to 1.1.4 again.
Tested with at least two rounds to make sure it's not EnemyAI acting up.

[broken crescent]

Ok great, thanks for the heads up

[narrow oriole]

I think I found the issue

https://github.com/Shaosil/LethalCompanyMods-GeneralImprovements/commit/3ef50fff80fb22e2bd87cc338161d6c563e2188f#diff-1868b917a1abc7b3c3d49e66e76cdc2361a2d851fbdc278191d9f0acfe946494R19

the StormyWeather component isn't always present but this is called in an Update() function

[broken crescent]

OH. I think you're right

I was looking in that file but forgot I had it doing some dumb lazy init stuff

It might be better once it eventually finds it (aka once you go to a stormy moon)

[narrow oriole]

yeah, it probably would

[broken crescent]

Ugh thanks for helping look at that - either way, that code needs to be improved

[narrow oriole]

should be possible to find where the StormyWeather is instantiated and inject there, assuming it's not part of some loaded asset instead

[broken crescent]

I'll just have StormyWeatherPatch use a static Instance field

[narrow oriole]

actually, I lied, you can literally just make it look for inactive objects

then the lazy init will work

it's inactive on non-stormy moons

[broken crescent]

True, I considered that, but the only reason I didn't use a static Instance before like I'm doing with some other patches is because StormyWeather doesn't have a Start() method. But I'll just use OnEnable() instead - that way it will be more consistant with my other patterns

[narrow oriole]

just ran this in UnityExplorer: GeneralImprovements.Patches.HUDManagerPatch._stormyWeather = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectOfType<StormyWeather>(includeInactive: true);
now it's non-null

ah that works too

does it have OnDisable() as well? don't want to keep it around after it's destroyed presumably

not sure how the ? null check works with destroyed Unity objects

[broken crescent]

It does but I only reference it once IIRC and I'm doing a null check

Well OnDisable doesn't destroy it anyway, it just disables it in the scene

I think that particular script hangs around indefinitely

[narrow oriole]

oh huh, I guess you're right

interesting

wait no, it does get destroyed

I was looking at the type instead of the instance in UnityExplorer

but as long as ?. will check for destroyed Unity object references it's probably okay

although it'll keep it away from the GC unnecessarily

[broken crescent]

The object that contains the StormyWeather script component gets destroyed? Strange.

But yeah in that case OnEnable() will set it again, and the ?. null check will handle the reference being nulled out

[narrow oriole]

I just checked going to the menu, not sure about traveling to another moon

but a lot of stuff gets destroyed when loading out of a moon

I would expect the weather effects are included in the asset it loads for each moon

[broken crescent]

Those are part of the Systems in SampleSceneRelay, which I think stays around as long as the game is loaded (other moon scenes are additively loaded)

[narrow oriole]

and yeah, it'll free the previous StormyWeather when going to another moon that's storming if you just use OnEnable

which isn't a huge deal to keep around, but perhaps if you're doing that in more places it starts to matter

[broken crescent]

I'll make it null in OnDisable just to be safe

[narrow oriole]

ah, then perhaps it only unloads when exiting to the menu

yep, looks like it sticks around between moons at least

[broken crescent]

https://github.com/Shaosil/LethalCompanyMods-GeneralImprovements/issues/111

Anyone else experience this? He says he only has GI and quota rollover = true, but I haven't seen that bug yet

[sudden ice]

nope

[limber depot]

Nope, And I have a lot of mods that changes the quota and deadline

[queen summit]

Does the developer of GeneralImprovements plan on adding support for modded items with the Scan Tools feature?

Also... Flashlights (Both types) don't seem to be scannable with this

[iron socket]

I've had a vaguely similar issue while using DynamicDeadline

[narrow oriole]

looks like one of the text monitors still re-renders while outside the ship @broken crescent

perhaps more than one I guess

[solemn steppe]

How do you get the other monitors

[narrow oriole]

UseBetterMonitors=true

in the config

[solemn steppe]

Ah thanks

[broken crescent]

Well hopefully this doesn't break anything - quite a few changes and additions today

[grave heron]

yipee

[sour rain]

that reminds me

i was going to ask if it would be possible to make it so you can order 12 items at once in the terminal

the delivery ship holds 12 items and it's kind of annoying having to do like

"wal 10;c;wal 2;c"

when i want a ship full of walkie talkies

[devout remnant]

And that's yet another mod I can uninstall, very nice

soon every minor unpopular fix will be improved generally

[broken crescent]

I noticed that when removing the dropship item limit - yeah I'll probably change that to equal whatever the dropship limit is in the next update

[sour rain]

cool

that would be great qol

appreciate it

it looks like you could just use a transpiler to modify the mathf.clamp on Terminal.playerDefinedAmount to have a max of 12 instead of 10

or, whatever the config setting is, anyway

the terminal script is set up kind of weird

though

so im not totally sure that plays nice with every possible case

[broken crescent]

There's a few places where it's hard coded to check for 12 items in various arrays, I'll have to search through the code again

[edgy tartan]

Cool update

Although we recently finished playing with 12 players, and the update is just now xD

We'll test :3 tomorrow

[broken crescent]

Some people are already reporting better performance in this update, thanks @narrow oriole for pointing out that crazy find object bug I missed

[edgy tartan]

I already feel the power

Thank you!

[narrow oriole]

no problem!

[scarlet roost]

Roll Over works fine for me

currently 4000/600

well.. blame the baboon hawks

they kept attacking me

so i killed all 20 of them

and sold them

they were like massive chickens

tho ill check the new updates on my off day.

[novel sequoia]

KILL THEM ALL >:Z and the LIZARD!!

[scarlet roost]

the spore lizard?

[novel sequoia]

Push him off the map!

Push all lizards off the map!

[scarlet roost]

they are immune to dmg. tried beating up one before

[novel sequoia]

Be damn with them all!

Yeah launch them off map xD

[scarlet roost]

i tried killing it with a shovel

[novel sequoia]

uh oh :<

That what I tried my first time

:<

[scarlet roost]

i was regenerating so i didnt really die

and it cant die either

[novel sequoia]

No they can't but they can be yeeted in fear >:D

But all baboonhawks will die >.> one pump at a time 😄

[scarlet roost]

this was happening when i was trying to end it

the spore just didnt die tho

i was wondering if i could kill it

so i kept hitting it with an Axe for like a good 5+ minutes

[novel sequoia]

"Why wont you die" moment and it jsut keeps puffing purps everywhere

[scarlet roost]

while my friend was watching me kill it and said "i dont think that thing will die"

so i stopped before reaching 10 minutes

[novel sequoia]

xD Actually funny moment, especially if someone just watching you in the struggle slowly coming to realisation

[scarlet roost]

and use the entirety of the day just trying to kill it

since i adjusted the time to 15minutes per day

we barely made it back to the ship ahahah

we got stuck due to the blind dogs

i still hate the blind dog's movements.

https://tenor.com/view/deja-vu-anime-car-gif-24099480

they freaking drift like initial D cars

and get eaten just because you are near their hitbox is not fun

i wish we get better mechanics for it

[edgy tartan]

@novel sequoia my assembly began to export 180 mods

HIGH_LETHAL_LONERS: 018d80e2-4e81-b56a-ef6f-074c25a65a7c (Moons + generation + loot)

and there are almost no performance problems xd

[proud anvil]

Holy crap this new update is amazing, thank you Shosil!!!! Two more mods debloated!

[novel sequoia]

Good stuff nice to hear! 🙂

[broken crescent]

🥳

[proud anvil]

Hey so what's your recommended way to get $'s working because fontFixer breaks a few things for me like discountalert

[broken crescent]

TBH I've never messed with the fonts so I couldn't tell you. I may include that as part of GI someday though

[proud anvil]

That would be super cool, it does fix special characters as a side effect to get korean characters working too, but there's this issue here #1188590750091464824 message

just pointing out the slippery slope

[broken crescent]

Gotcha

[proud anvil]

I guess the alternative would be that someone makes an alert-type api that could be used by other mods

[scarlet roost]

fixed what was the fps issues?

[sour rain]

seems like it was a object.findobjectoftype call happening every frame

and maybe some other monitor-related stuff

i dont notice a huge improvement personally but i also got relatively decent framerate before the update

[broken crescent]

Yeah that deserves a hall of shame for me. I usually avoid calling that every frame as much as possible (as in, 100% of the time it shouldn't be necessary)

But something I assumed would "catch" after searching for it, never did until you landed on a stormy moon, so until then, every frame was doing a search..

[sour rain]

and every little bit helps TBH

ah yeah

[tawny sapphire]

Can confirm the performance issue is resolved ❤️

[proud anvil]

same

[slate lynx]

2? 👀

[devout remnant]

LetMeLookDown I know, idk the other immediately

[solemn granite]

Wow :P nice!

[broken crescent]

That and I guess any mod that changes the limit of items you can get from the dropship, or amount of items you can place on the sell counter since those are adjustable now.

Oh and if there's a mod that changes the terminal scan command to use exact values instead of approximate, that's an option now as well

[limber depot]

Hello!
Found a bug
It seems that sometimes when using a key and you move too much you can get softlocked, unable to change slots nor opening doors

[broken crescent]

That's probably related to Issue 56 - I assume you were playing with a host who didn't have GI? Or at least didn't have the inventory shifting settings the same as you? There are problems with desyncs when item slots move around and the host isn't aware of them - especially when using keys.

Some of that can be prevented by making sure the key is the right-most slot possible (so nothing is after it to be shifted left), but other than that, try turning off inventory management settings in GI if playing with hosts that do not use it

https://github.com/Shaosil/LethalCompanyMods-GeneralImprovements/issues/56

[limber depot]

I was playing solo

[broken crescent]

Hm

Any errors?

And does it happen if you disable the new setting that allows you to use keys in other slots?

[limber depot]

Nope

[limber depot]

I'll check

Hmm

I'm unable to recreate it

[edgy tartan]

I can't set a value greater than 1000
I was thinking of installing MoreMoneyStart v2.1.0 by 299792458
But General does not allow you to change your values

Will the limit be increased from 1000 to 50000?

Old commands in the terminal work strangely. Which through the up and down arrows on the right side of the keyboard

They do not remember the names of turrets and other objects, and sometimes they completely forget half of the commands

[azure nexus]

Heyo

Where is the list containing the possible items that can be displayed on the monitors

I can't find it anywhere

like if I wanna display remaining scrap outside, how do I do that?

where do I see what kind of other things I could display?

[scarlet roost]

did you check the configs via the mod manager?

[scarlet roost]

configs

its the Acceptable Values

[azure nexus]

No, I have not. I assumed LethalConfig would display everything written there

I shall not assume that going forward.

thanks for the help

[scarlet roost]

yeah. it doesnt sadly

np

[grave heron]

it does not

[scarlet roost]

also if you dont want any fps issues. just set the fps of the monitors unrestricted

[grave heron]

:(

[scarlet roost]

i have Lethal Config but i never used it XD

im too used to manual

tho looking for them sometimes is a pain

[azure nexus]

yea.. it's fine though

[azure nexus]

really? unrestricted has better performance than limited?

never would have expected that

[scarlet roost]

i dont know either

maybe because it still loads or something

i assume that force stopping it to your set fps kinda just lags it everytime it reads it

[plucky raptor]

yeah for some reason it does that

I always get frame drops while on the ship with the fps capped

when it's uncapped on both GI and OpenBodyCam's config it runs smoothly

[weary barn]

@broken crescent Bless you

I can now remove the separate mod I have for keys unlocking doors

That I only added because of a conflict with LethalUtilities function with enhanced lockpick and it works flawlessly

But what does this do?

Added an option to disable post processing for the internal and external ship cams (defaults to false).

Should I set it to true if I don't use either cam?

[tawny sapphire]

it makes the cams look like your normal view. Doesn't matter if your not using cams.

[weary barn]

I don't follow

By normal view, do you mean the players POV?

[broken crescent]

It just disables those cameras using visual effects. If the cameras don't exist, it doesn't matter if they use post processing or not

[weary barn]

By visual effects, is that the green tint or no
Sorry if this makes me sound like a baboon

[broken crescent]

On the internal cam yeah, and like fog and stuff. Anything that qualifies as post processing. The external cam it will still look green though, it's using something else for that

[weary barn]

oh I see

[weary barn]

I just realized I'm crazy and misread what the function did
For whatever reason, I assumed it allowed me to lock doors with keys

[broken crescent]

Here's an odd one - the way my "better monitors" work is to have a strip of TextMeshProUGUI objects, and a single camera that pans and screenshots as needed each time one of them changes - which is then copied to a render texture and applied to the matching material on the monitor.

In the editor, the camera is perfectly aligned and you can see the margins work, etc. However, making no changes to the camera or text objects, in game the positioning is applied differently

[dark belfry]

Is there a shader applied to the monitors that warp the image to be more curved?

Convex

[broken crescent]

No shaders, the texture is just being UV mapped to that part of the model, but it looks fine in the editor

I fixed it by applying an offset if the text is left aligned (in the next update) but it bugs me that I couldn't find the underlying cause

[hearty ivy]

aint no way you get 144fps during a round with a 1660ti, unless you don't use HD lethal with no Anti aliasing and using the default shitty resolution maybe

[hearty ivy]

already tried everything like this, no assignation, limiting frames, etc, the changes are really small

[broken crescent]

Are you on 1.1.8? That seems to fix most people's performance issues because it was something unrelated to the monitors. If it's still performing poorly I'm not sure what else to do at this point

[hearty ivy]

i was catching up the messages since i was off for a few days, not tried the update yet gonna do it now !

[bold yarrow]

could all the possible monitor outputs be displayed on the wiki? as of now it just shows the default and i had to go to the source code to find the everything i could use with them

[weary barn]

I'm dead rn and log is going apeshit with this again

[limber depot]

Happened again, but i recorded completely the issue and the log

[broken crescent]

LethalConfig doesn't show them but the acceptable values are in the config file

[broken crescent]

Ah right I forgot to look into this. Noted

[weary barn]

Oh, no worries
I actually wasn't sure if you did or didn't address it

[broken crescent]

Ok, any chance you could give me your profile code?

[limber depot]

MEGALOPHOBIA BETA v0.6.0
018d84c0-aea6-3f11-6293-e4594d2dc9e1

[bold yarrow]

That would explain it, should've realized that when I was looking around for them lol

[broken crescent]

I'm going to look into why they don't show up there - I have a feeling it's something to do with me allowing an empty string as an acceptable value

[limber depot]

Also, sometimes when grabbing objects and looking down the visual hud and movement bugs
This bug lasts for the rest of the game until you restart the game.

[vapid shell]

what mod is casuing those red lights?

[grave heron]

i think its one of wesley's moons

[broken crescent]

This is being caused by ImmersiveCompany - they are hooking into the KeyItem.ItemActivate method and manually calling the DespawnHeldObject, which conflicts with behavior when my UnlockDoorsFromInventory is set to true

Turning UnlockDoorsFromInventory off should fix it

[vapid shell]

sick

[limber depot]

Thx!

[hearty ivy]

so i just tested it, seems a bit more stable like less fps dip, but not really more fps overall

maybe slightly more outside

[edgy tartan]

Is GI with Advanced Company behaving strangely?

Just wanted to check out the QuickDrops GI feature

Doesn't work with Advanced Company slots when leveling up

[broken crescent]

I disabled most of the inventory shifting if AdvancedCompany is detected, because it was causing too many conflicts. AdvancedCompany does a lot with inventory so those features aren't compatible

[edgy tartan]

Already understood

Just sat and discussed this issue AC

[broken crescent]

A few fun changes for today, purging more bloat (certain teleporter mods, master key, and hide player name mods should no longer be needed)

[vapid shell]

GOD DAMN

You're just devouring more and more mods

[sudden ice]

destroyer of mods

[vapid shell]

wait

ok

You havent killed BetterTeleporters for me

They have the balance option of draining batteries on teleport, and allowing certain items per inverse and normal teleport

[broken crescent]

Yeah they are a lot more detailed, might as well stick with that. I didn't want to dive too deep into the teleport mechanics so just kept it simple

[devout remnant]

Less mod bloat so that I can download new bloat mods 😎

Just tried one that let's you scale TV size lol

[broken crescent]

How do you guys cope with the long game startup time when there's 100-200 mods lol. I was testing someone's profile code earlier and felt like I was back in the old days of loading C64 games waiting for it to launch.

I personally have like 20ish, which I already think is a bit much 😅

[devout remnant]

I play in a group of irl people so I expect having to wait far longer than the load time regardless as we all get ready

[broken crescent]

Fair enough

[vapid shell]

Literally staring at that one rn

So tempting

so STUPID tho

[devout remnant]

It's alright, might keep it exclusively as an inside joke with my group

[vapid shell]

what? only 20~

[devout remnant]

Moving scaled television is messed up currently, but it adjusts itself after reloading Lobby. Resolution also obviously does not scale

[muted kindle]

If it's possible to add in an option to read in item IDs to teleport certain vanilla and modded gear that would be amazing. I ask just because we did run the classic "only held item" teleport option but we quickly realized we stopped playing the game in a fun way and just teleported back and forth constantly without any real danger.

Teleporting back with utility gear would make it a lot more useful, but at the moment the only mod I've found that does that doesn't account for modded items

If you could let us set IDs and teleport back safely with certain gear BUT no scrap I think this would be the perfect teleport mod imho

[bold edge]

Wait, infinite keys?

[bold edge]

Earlier we'd have 50 QoL mods which are in GI

Btw, add ScanFix as an option + sync it to the MoonScrap monitor if enabled

[broken crescent]

My scan code should already be fixed. You can always set the config option to display exact values if you don't like approximations

And the monitor displays whatever the terminal scan does

[bold edge]

Wait, you added it already?

[broken crescent]

The scan code has been in a while but I added the exact values option in 1.1.8

[bold edge]

That were a 3 long days for me..

Since I didn't play Lethal Company

You even added look down feature ❤️

Another suggestion: Signal Translator always display centered text

[slate lynx]

I appreciate the work you do.
Ty :)
Is it safe to say this was fixed?
#1199836228858675330 message

[broken crescent]

Sadly no I haven't reproduced it yet. I may need a profile code to narrow it down

[slate lynx]

Sounds good thanks.

[vapid shell]

nuh uh

With BetterTeleporters you can add modded items

you just need the right itemtype ids

[muted kindle]

Would these be the same itemtype ids that come up in the Lethal Quantities scrap cfg? The main issue I've been having is trying to find the right ones to add since the better teleporters GitHub mentioned an issue with modded items

And I'm not sure how to find the right IDs for modded items

[vapid shell]

I would ask the mod creators themselves

For Advanced Company

its

AdvancedCompany.Objects.

and then

the item name

like

AdvancedCompany.Objects.TacticalHelmet

[muted kindle]

I don't use advanced company since it's a bit of a mess like Lethal Expansion

[vapid shell]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-kinkytwt-michael-jackson-gun-stan-twitter-stan-twt-gif-8838448374497139850

wym

[muted kindle]

With my current mod setup advanced company overlaps with about 90% of it and causes a lot of issues/ crashes to the point that it's unplayable

[cerulean thunder]

What mods are you using?

[muted kindle]

And I don't feel like refactoring my entire list for one mod that's essentially Lategameupgrades that doesn't let me use dedicated slots

[cerulean thunder]

I’ve never encountered issues with AC like that

[muted kindle]

Too many

[cerulean thunder]

Only mod I can think of is like

The reserved slots

When AC has workarounds for

The IntroTweaks issue was fixed

Oh and these which are compatible just have adjustments needed

[muted kindle]

Yeah again I see what it does but I already have those mods installed so I don't see the need for AC at that point

I'll just dig around Lethal Quantities scrap names and try those

[cerulean thunder]

It helps make the game more stable and replaces the need for a hunch of diff mods

For example for stuff like expanded lobbies and late joining, it’s easily the most stable option

[iron socket]

As a replacement for reserved slots it has upgraded versions of some of the items. Like helmet lamp, which takes up a helmet slot rather than an inventory slot and is better than the pro flashlight, and also a helmet walkie (don't remember what it's called) and some other stuff too. I get not wanting to go through the hassle of refactoring the modpack so I can understand that, but once you go through and check what mods you don't need because of AC or GI your load times and fps will thank you

[jolly geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/738489595896922119/1199963550559522936/reverse.gif

[muted kindle]

yeah again I'm aware of what it does but I do think it does a lot more than it should, which isn't good since if one part of it is broken when an update hits it's a lot harder to comeback from that than say disabling one smaller mod and waiting for it to update

since at that point we're losing a ton of features rather than just say one or two

I'll leave it at that though I don't want to derail discussions here relating to GI

[iron socket]

I suppose, you can always just not use the latest version of any mod, it's pretty simple to downgrade version. Not saying you should, that's your perogative, just letting you know it's an option

[cobalt estuary]

Not sure if the issue is being caused by GeneralImprovements, but I've only encountered it since 1.19 dropped - I cannot access the terminal, it just doesnt load and hitting esc brings up the game menu rather than releasing you from the terminal

[iron socket]

If you have it, I think that's a Lethal Level Loader issue that's currently being fixed

I just ran into the problem moments ago

[cobalt estuary]

did you run into a solution too? 👀

[iron socket]

Wait for the release of the fix lmao

[iron socket]

I haven't tried it but I imagine downgrading the mod might also work?

[cobalt estuary]

Goat'd - that worked

[dark belfry]

I believe this issue is caused by lc_api at least i think thats the name i cant remember.its one of the apis not associated with general improvement

[proud anvil]

Ya don't use the newest version of LLL, hotfix incoming

[viscid spear]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Sv_Matt/HideModList/ Was wondering if you're planning to add this as a feature, this mod doesn't work at all rn and the mod list is kinda annoying

[light girder]

I mean LC_API is now abandonware

Shouldn't be using it anyways

[weary barn]

You can use lethalutilities if you still use LC_API

[weary barn]

Could you look into adding an option to make keys lock doors

No pressure
If you need me to submit a github request I can

[edgy tartan]

Will LC_API no longer be updated??? Can it be deleted?

[weary barn]

Do you have any mods that use it?

[edgy tartan]

I'm going to find out about it today, I haven't checked it for a long time

[weary barn]

I had it for awhile and didn't realize I didn't even have mods that used it anymore lmao

[edgy tartan]

lmao

[weary barn]

Strongly recommend doing a purge of configs (unused deleted mod configs) / mods that linger around
Often times APIs stick around needlessly

[edgy tartan]

Indeed, in my assembly of 170 mods, LC_API has long been unattached to anything

And I found out about it 2 weeks later, oh my God

[proud anvil]

Wait it doesn't work??? I don't have any mod list popup and I'm using it

[edgy tartan]

Works if you remove LC_API

I don't have any mods associated with it - I deleted it and added HIDE

And no more spam

it seems

I haven't checked with the players xD

[viscid spear]

Yea the mod doesn't work anymore, but LC_API is not really used anymore it seems, I thought it was requiered for mods to work but it was sitting there doing nothing

[edgy tartan]

It was once needed for Coroner, to more accurately determine deaths

[scarlet roost]

people only use it to check people it they have the same mods i think?

[proud anvil]

Ohh so LC_API was the one displaying the modlist to begin with?

[viscid spear]

Yep

If you remove it, no more mod list

[proud anvil]

ahhhhhhhhh, derp ya I can dump hidemodlist too, wow I feel dumb

[scarlet roost]

lol

what is left with LC_API anyway

bundle loaders?

[proud anvil]

searching for mods that are deps of LC_API shows a bunch but when you check them idividually most have removed it

[weary barn]

Don't forget spring cleaning on your modlists

🤓

[viscid spear]

Yea, thunderstore manager also gives you a warning in case the mod you're trying to delete is a dependency

I deleted LC_API and no mods are dependant on it

[finite mauve]

just curious, what's wrong with LC_API?

[viscid spear]

Althought I have a 90+ mod list

Lol

[weary barn]

Tl;dr outdated

[finite mauve]

alright enough for me

[weary barn]

Has been superseded the same way lethalexpansion has been

[finite mauve]

so LE is outdated as well

[viscid spear]

Yea

[finite mauve]

wait LE iisn't the same than LE Core right?

[weary barn]

LECore is the optimized version of LE

[viscid spear]

It was replaced by LethalLevelLoader I think

[finite mauve]

ahh alright

[weary barn]

But since LLL exists, I believe most people are / have been migrating to that instead

[finite mauve]

but there are still many mods that use LE Core, right..?

[weary barn]

In my modlist, I have maybe one or two

I have 78 mods

Afaik, there isn't anything wrong with LE CORE

Jk. It's one

[finite mauve]

oh well, if there's nothing wrong with LE Core then it's fine

I use immersive scraps

I'm kinda also witchhunting which mod has memory leaks, cuz I've been, ugh, struggling with it lately

[proud anvil]

Please share when u find

[scarlet roost]

how many people has 150+ mods like me here?

but i dont feel any lags tho

[scarlet roost]

on default vanilla. its higher. 160 something fps

i dont know how you guys set up your pc but mine is modified to be full performance

i dug everything i could find to play better

tho to be fair. i cant say the same to the others that use the code we play in. they do feel some lag or something but not a lot. they say its only the seed loading that lags them which is like a few seconds

or maybe because i dont have mods that eats performance except GI and OBC

only because i use their cameras and monitors

screen refreshrate might be another thing to consider

[proud anvil]

lots of mods don't really hurt that much, sound replacements, suits and cosmetics don't get loaded as plugins. so one persons 200 mods is anothers 90

[scarlet roost]

yeah

mine is mostly moons, interiors, and cosmetics

i dont add a lot of monsters

i only have immersive visors, masked revamp, meo and emotes really

[proud anvil]

I've striped all the suits and cosmetics of their dependancies and just dumped the raw files together, reducing the # of total mods by a lot

[scarlet roost]

the one that is frequent on the logs is skinwalker too

[scarlet roost]

i need to give the codes for them to have the same stuff so i cant manual

[proud anvil]

ahh ya, I've got mine in a published pack so profile code still works

[scarlet roost]

i normally manually check if there is any broken mods

[proud anvil]

total plugins at 91, mods list is 107

[scarlet roost]

im adding more on mine

its 163 atm

it was originally 200 but i purged and replaced the ones that were broken

i like HexiBetterShotgun but it desyncs us most of the time

so i removed that too

[proud anvil]

GI is doing an awesome job for debloating, helped me shed like 4 in the last few days

[scarlet roost]

i also used Elads for the hud and removed some more

the metrics and such

[proud anvil]

Noooo not Hexi, damnit, that's the only shotgun mod that actually makes the shotgun function properly

[scarlet roost]

true

but if it desyncs

then its useless

[proud anvil]

I'll keep in mind to look for that, we haven't had a large group recently

[scarlet roost]

i just added a way to buy the shotguns cheaper since i removed them from drops. due to huntdown and sell bodies

[proud anvil]

I mean for actually landing hits and killing things, the other shotgun plugins never worked for me

[scarlet roost]

the freaking nutcracker thing is so heavy to carry that i had to reduce it's weight like 60%

[scarlet roost]

there were more?

i thought only Hexi

most were just sounds or purchases

[proud anvil]

ya shotgunfix, bettershotgun

[scarlet roost]

ah that one is broken too

version wise

i think that only works for v45

or something

were on v49 tho

soon v50

[edgy tartan]

I have a problem with the EJECT command

It does not work...

[scarlet roost]

eject?

[edgy tartan]

Yes

[scarlet roost]

the reset?

[edgy tartan]

Dismissal

Restart

[scarlet roost]

havent tried that. i mean i dont get fired when playing hahah

[edgy tartan]

Well I needed to check the sounds

And I decided to use the command

But she doesn't work

[scarlet roost]

you have the mod?

[edgy tartan]

I have 170 mods

But I guess this problem is related to GI or LLL or AC

But this is not accurate, one of them is an imposter

[scarlet roost]

might be mod conflict too

like betterscans and GI

you need to disable one or the other's scan funtion to work

[edgy tartan]

scanning?

What does this have to do with it?

"Eject" command doesn't work

Betterscans this mod is not worth it to me at all

[scarlet roost]

i meant that as an example

[scarlet roost]

you need to disable the scan of GI for BetterScans to work

[edgy tartan]

Ah, I understand

I'm okay with this, I disabled all the mods that are already in one large assembly of other mods so that there are no conflicts

[scarlet roost]

or. you couldve just made a new profile for testing that has the mod you want to test

then partially add every mod you want to go with it

thats how i do mine

in case i find something is broken and i cant find which one is it. i can roll back to an older profile version where things were working fine

whoever adds everything in one profile which they normally use in a group as a tester, is asking for pain in looking for broken mods

[weary barn]

I'm hesitant on adding new moons still just because of issues they may bring

I'm pretty strict about adding new content, if it has any sort of issue, it gets tossed (within reason of course)

Just not worth the headache

[scarlet roost]

are you using AC?

[weary barn]

ofc

I'd be a madman if I wasn't

[scarlet roost]

i think new moons should work fine

[weary barn]

I meant the moons themselves

[scarlet roost]

your main issue are custom moons with custom interiors and custom enemies

[weary barn]

Being stable

[scarlet roost]

depends on which mod

the one with Aquatis and Orion is fine for us

i forgot the other one. and they have a shared asset mod

[weary barn]

Orion is too damn orange on inside

Aquatis is a zzz map

I've tried it several times and it just isn't good

[scarlet roost]

Generic Moons v4 is also nice

Aquatis i go for hunting

hunting chickens

Baboon Hawks for days

[weary barn]

I haven't looked at generic moons

[scarlet roost]

there is also Budafest

wait for the new updates of the LLL

they will come with more moons

and more stuff

kinda waiting for it myself

[weary barn]

I've finally added back moreinteriors since it's actually stable now (I don't mean this in a rude way, it was simply buggy at one point)

I know LLL broke it but I'm staying on 1.0.7 LLL till all shenanigans blow over

[scarlet roost]

i have the last update of LLL and i dont seem to have issues with it

i mean me and my crew kinda went to all the maps avaialble till they ended streams

we all played like 6 hours

kinda funny they didnt see Diversity's bracken run till i got nabbed

[weary barn]

I want to try diversity but I'm waiting for its 2.0 update, again, to avoid instabilities

This is my current list BepInEx-BepInExPack-5.4.2100 Evaisa-HookGenPatcher-0.0.5 Evaisa-LethalLib-0.14.2 sunnobunno-YippeeMod-1.2.3 Evaisa-LethalThings-0.9.4 x753-Mimics-2.3.2 RugbugRedfern-Skinwalkers-4.0.1 PopleZoo-BetterItemScan-3.0.1 NotAtomicBomb-TerminalApi-1.5.1 rafl-BonkHitSfxFixed-1.0.2 EladNLG-EladsHUD-1.2.1 Renegades-WalkieUse-1.5.0 FlipMods-BetterStamina-1.3.2 AllToasters-SpectateEnemies-2.3.0 MegaPiggy-BuyableShotgunShells-1.0.5 kyxino-LethalUtilities-1.2.21 AlexCodesGames-AdditionalContentFramework-1.0.3 AinaVT-LethalConfig-1.3.4 KodiCraft-TermSpeak-1.1.0 kuba6000-LC_Masked_Fix-0.0.2 TheFluff-FairAI-1.3.2 LethalAPI-LethalAPI_Terminal-1.0.1 ZG-BetterTerminal-1.1.1 taffyko-BetterSprayPaint-2.0.2 bigmcnugget-VanillaContentExpansion-0.1.8 ShaosilGaming-GeneralImprovements-1.1.9 AgentRev-ShootableMouthDogs-1.0.1 DannyVD-MonitorLabels-1.3.1 TheDeadSnake-Touchscreen-1.0.10 extraes-LethalLoudnessMeter-1.0.2 ViViKo-BetterDecorPlacement-1.2.1 bozzobrain-ShipMaid-4.0.3 MrHydralisk-EnhancedLockpicker-1.1.3 xCeezy-LethalEscape-0.8.5 jockie-LethalExpansionCore-1.3.15 Justice69-ImmersiveScraps-1.1.9 Zaggy1024-PathfindingLagFix-1.2.1 DerplingDevelopments-SavageCompany-1.1.3 ION-ToggleDeafen-1.1.1 Ozone-Runtime_Netcode_Patcher-0.2.5 readthisifbad-SnatchinBracken-1.3.7 NiceHairs-NuclearLib-1.0.4 NiceHairs-Symbiosis-1.0.5 FlipMods-FasterItemDropship-1.2.1 Zaggy1024-OpenBodyCams-1.1.2 saint_kendrick-Lethal_Doors-1.0.4 Zaggy1024-NutcrackerFixes-1.2.2 EliteMasterEric-CleanerLogs-1.0.0 linkoid-DissonanceLagFix-1.0.0 BlueAmulet-LogNeuter-1.0.3 falcodxb-LessLogs-1.0.1 EliteMasterEric-Coroner-1.6.0 malco-Lategame_Upgrades-3.1.1 Financier-GhostGirlFearReset-1.0.1 Hexnet111-SuitSaver-1.1.4 x753-More_Suits-1.4.1 PotatoePet-AdvancedCompany-1.0.149 DOkge-InventoryFixPlugin-0.0.1 Rune580-LethalCompany_InputUtils-0.6.3 GiGaGon-ScrapMerging-1.0.3 MrHydralisk-EnhancedRadarBooster-1.6.2 Zehs-SellMyScrap-1.2.5 LegoMaster3650-FairGiants-1.0.0 SillySquad-Arachnophilia-1.3.0 Owen3H-IntroTweaks-1.4.5 Verity-TooManySuits-1.0.5 BatTeam-LethalFashion-1.0.6 Owen3H-CSync-1.0.7 loaforc-FacilityMeltdown-2.2.6 IAmBatby-LethalLevelLoader-1.0.7 Major_And_Skiz-MoreInteriors-2.1.0 readthisifbad-KillableEnemies-0.1.2 Coppertiel-MaskedEnemyOverhaulFork-0.1.0 Alice-ScarletDevilMansion-1.2.1 scoopy-Scoopys_Variety_Mod-1.1.0 AlexCodesGames-AdditionalSuits-2.0.0 Sophisticasean-KeysLockDoors-1.1.2 Hexi-HexiBetterShotgun-0.3.3

[scarlet roost]

btw. since you are using Lethal Things. disable the rags lol.

[weary barn]

Rags?

[scarlet roost]

yeah the rags

the big one and the small one

those kinda gives me fps drops

[weary barn]

Oh, rugs?

Nobody buys things from term besides me anyways but good to know
Would be nice if that mod got updated to fix the rocketlauncher...
You know, ammo resetting on loading a save

[scarlet roost]

oh yeah rugs lol

[weary barn]

I don't even bother buying it anymore

[scarlet roost]

Renegades-WalkieUse-1.5.0?

what this one do

[broken crescent]

I mean some rugs are basically rags

[weary barn]

Press R to use walkie

It may be redundant now, I'm not sure tbh

I strictly stick to tactical helmets from AC
Just ensures everyone is able to communicate and eliminates micromanaging

[scarlet roost]

if you have flipmod's reserve walkie then you dont need the walkie use

but on AC

[weary barn]

At 300 hours, I'm past the goofy hehe haha part of the game, I strictly enjoy those moments inside the facility, not really elsewhere - I enjoy serious long playthroughs

[scarlet roost]

ac doesnt need that as far as i know

[weary barn]

Well, unfortunately the headset nor helmet work on the terminal

[scarlet roost]

you also adjust the day to night time?

[weary barn]

Well, wait that doesn't make sense

[scarlet roost]

mine is like 15 to 20 minutes

per cycle

[weary barn]

I put mine to 800 seconds

I wasn't sure how much to adjust honestly

[scarlet roost]

13 minutes for 800 sec

[weary barn]

I keep perks saved from AC, I left it vanilla
but I have savage company + lethal escape (no blobs, coil, jester) to keep difficulty in place

While also eliminating 90% of LGU but keeping some upgrades

[scarlet roost]

i put either 1200 seconds or 1500 seconds

[weary barn]

I'll try it out

[scarlet roost]

its 20 or 25 minutes

late upgrades.. never used that mod

[weary barn]

TouchScreen is so good
Because so many people are bad at running terminal

[scarlet roost]

i never used the mod

[weary barn]

It literally babifies it to where, again, I don't have to micromanage
But people still mess it up if they're just simply bad
and I don't mean that rudely, not everyone is skilled the same

[scarlet roost]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Zaggy1024/TwoRadarMaps/

you dont use this?

[weary barn]

Too many issues

Well,

At one point at least, I haven't tried it lately

but people usually stick to the main monitor anyways

With Touchscreen + Labels = I don't have to worry as much on who is running terminal if they're a noob

[scarlet roost]

meanwhile we have 8 to 15 people. one on the monitor while one on the terminal

[weary barn]

I sort of consider myself a minor sweaty player and I've done terminal and It gets overwhelming fast with a lot of people so it makes me wonder when people who are worse than me try to do it because it's the "EZ job"

[scarlet roost]

also cuz of diversity. the ship isnt safe

[weary barn]

But I also have some people that I play with that are the GOAT™️ at running terminal

[scarlet roost]

and lethal escape

the bracken tends to go into the ship

our terminal operator got nabbed multiple times

and the other guy watching the monitor just saw them get dragged

it was amusing

[weary barn]

This is great with lethalescape

Esp. if you get multiple brackens from SC - one will sneak outside

[scarlet roost]

cuz we have that https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/readthisifbad/SnatchinBracken/ mod

[weary barn]

This mod is SO good

[scarlet roost]

they dont die quickly

they get dragged all over the map XD

before they get killed

[weary barn]

Yes, it really makes the bracken fair in general

That's why I'm trying the fairgiants to make them actually balanced

I enjoy eclipsed maps for the benefits, I don't enjoy sitting in the ship the entire run because 3 giants are humping the ship

Missile launcher from AC is amazing but not everyone is a sweaty resourceful nerd

[scarlet roost]

i tried chasing the bracken once when they dragged my friend

ended up recreating that thing

[weary barn]

Have you tried expert moons?

nvm, it uses LE

💤

[scarlet roost]

https://youtube.com/shorts/vssSVv1ohUA?si=uNqvfAhdfyWAWa2l

this what happened for a good 3 minutes

till all my upgraded stamina ran out

btw Bettershotgun fix seems like got updated a week ago

[weary barn]

Trying it out with combination of the other mods

Getting tired of shooting a dog and dying because it just absorbs a clear shot

I had to adjust the vanilla values because it inadvertently made the shotgun worse

but now the shotgun, as it should be, one shots dogs

[normal wharf]

how do i fix the double text

[echo ermine]

shot in the dark delete your config and regenerate it

might be old config lines from an old version still trying to do something

[normal wharf]

thanks

[weary barn]

Also if you have the corporate mod, toss it

[edgy tartan]

I didn’t delete the config and everything was fine for me 0_0

[edgy tartan]

Do you think there are many problems with it?

A

Or are you talking about that one

The one with monitors

and not just shows the weather separately

[weary barn]

Should toss both afaik

Besides, GI adds option for weather

The corporate restructure(?)
I forgot the name honestly

[edgy tartan]

Okay, I'll delete it then too

Thanks for the advice 😗

Although the weather color on the monitor fits perfectly

Has this been added to GI?

[weary barn]

No, but that's a good idea though
I also liked the color change on main monitor

Guess you could make it as a suggestion if it doesn't exist on the backlog already

[cerulean thunder]

NutcrackerFixes should fix it

[weary barn]

Are you 100% on the desync?

[weary barn]

It does to a degree

[scarlet roost]

yep

even @whole walrus experienced it

[weary barn]

I still usually have issues with dogs
But it is inconsistent

[weary barn]

Noted
I'll drop it

Not interested in desyncs at all

[scarlet roost]

there was another one who experienced it

i forgot who

all of us dropped it and it fixed itself

[weary barn]

I'm starting to think betterdecor also causes desync

[scarlet roost]

the mirror?

[weary barn]

No, the mod that removes boundaries of where you can place things in ship

Sometimes people will walk through terminal because they don't see it where others see it