LethalMatt Moons & Interiors - Outpost 31, Bozoros, Circus, PlayZone

[quasi nest]

Hmmm

I could mayhaps add a config setting to disable the TV stuff loading (and make it purely decorative), but it's weird since I'm referencing the actual vanilla TV videos

[short violet]

these logs do have hundreds of 'Path to exit could not be calculated' within the span of a few seconds

[short violet]

I'll try to find out for certain if this is playzone on my end, we might be having separate issues or it could still be something unrelated

[spring crypt]

I think I will check out the issue again in a moment and try to get a clean log just for testing this out so that we can see if it is really about that. But such an option might be good regardless, no matter why that happens

As soon as I step into the Lazerzone area it starts

[quasi nest]

Oh

Thonk

[spring crypt]

As soon as I stand here. Currently it only happened once though, for about 7 seconds

[quasi nest]

Entering it does unpause the ambient sound effect stuff

(Lights humming, air vent wooshing, vending machine buzzing)

But it shouldn't be that bad, LaserZone's split into 3 so the entire thing doesn't activate at once

[spring crypt]

I see. I will try and find a room with the TV in it to see more

[quasi nest]

(This applies to any of the large tiles too)

[spring crypt]

If it would also just be this one stutter when entering that one room I'd also actually be fine with it

Second stutter

The jump zone was ahead, so another large tile

[quasi nest]

Oh it's only when setting foot into the tile itself

[spring crypt]

Did not notice this before, this is a nice detail :3

[quasi nest]

For the sound effect stuff at least

[spring crypt]

Then I wonder why that lag occured. The console did not spit anything of value either, I think

[quasi nest]

Yeah not sure

If you send a pack code I could take a look (though a bit later )

Although uhh

[spring crypt]

Walking that way back causes it again as well

[spring crypt]

Sure, will share it once I am done with this small session

[quasi nest]

Guessing it only happens on Linux so I'd have to boot up my Debian install

[spring crypt]

Happened twice in a row here this time

Stepping foot into the Lazerzone again did not trigger it once more

Before I send you the code I think I should test the interior mod alone once

Because if it happens without the other mods, no need to trouble yourself with 200 of them

Also, question, what happens when the Laserzone Countdown after pulling the apparatice reaches 0? I have never been able to observe anything
-# (Is it shutting down the elevator? I usually TPed outside but now noticed it does not work anymore

Strange, I was in the elevator and there we have the WindowsVideoMedia error again:

Also, the TV seems to work completely fine. No errors, video and audio plays flawlessly.

The issue is unrelated to the tiles; I ran from big tile to big tile and no occurence of it. Just after a long time it spat out the VideoMedia error again and had a lag spike there

[quasi nest]

-# Ye timer for elevator

It was made with FacilityMeltdown in mind but it do shut it down if not using that mod

[spring crypt]

Interesting. I only set up a chance for a meltdown and thus far did not have it once in this interior

Okay, I am gonna redo my testing with only this mod, the dependencies, and Imperium in a moment to figure out if it is mod compatibility or really linux (which seems probable)

Meanwhile I'll share the log from this one though

OKay, this genuinely caught me off guard X3
Good one

I think I got something with out the other mods now
-# The issue still occured, sadly. All I had was LCBetterSavesFix, Playzone, and Imperium + Dependencies

This is the output from this short session, with only one such lag

Line 1942-1944 were printed when the lag occured, during which nothing was printed. Afterwards came the rest:

1942 [Error  : Unity Log] "SetDestination" can only be called on an active agent that has been placed on a NavMesh.
1943 [Warning: Unity Log] [Dissonance:Recording] (19:14:28.143) BasicMicrophoneCapture: Insufficient buffer space, requested 249600, clamped to 16383 (dropping 233217 samples)
1944 [Warning: Unity Log] [Dissonance:Recording] (19:14:28.146) BasePreprocessingPipeline: Lost 960 samples in the preprocessor (buffer full), injecting silence to compensate
1945 [Warning: Unity Log] [Dissonance:Recording] (19:14:28.149) BasePreprocessingPipeline: Lost 480 samples in the preprocessor (buffer full), injecting silence to compensate
1946 [Warning: Unity Log] [Dissonance:Recording] (19:14:28.181) CapturePipelineManager: Detected a frame skip, forcing capture pipeline reset (Delta Time:15.0376)
1947 [Error  : Unity Log] "SetDestination" can only be called on an active agent that has been placed on a NavMesh.
1948 [Warning: Unity Log] [Dissonance:Recording] (19:14:28.230) CapturePipelineManager: Detected a frame skip, forcing capture pipeline reset (Delta Time:0.2021944)
1949 [Error  : Unity Log] "SetDestination" can only be called on an active agent that has been placed on a NavMesh.
1950 [Error  : Unity Log] "SetDestination" can only be called on an active agent that has been placed on a NavMesh.

I hope any of this helps ^-^'

If I can do anything more, or you have questions, let me know! I wanna help where I can

[quasi nest]

These are from Bracken/Snare Flea

There should be no pathfinding issues in the interior, but they do just lag when pathing somewhere

Or wait no

I thought it was a different message

But yeah I'll take a look a bit later

[spring crypt]

I wish you best of luck with figuring that out ^-^'

[bleak remnant]

curse you paco

may you stay stuck in a loop of errors

may you be put inside a while (true) loop for all eternity

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emoji-disintegrating-emoji-disappearing-meme-21st-century-gif-24891417

[sweet prawn]

Reminds me of......"it" from spooky's house of jumpscares

[spring crypt]

Poor paco :c

[quasi nest]

Huh

[strange beacon]

cursed heart

[keen osprey]

Lake that teleports you under bedrock layer

[sweet prawn]

That is so fucking cool

More of that please

[quasi nest]

It wasn't intended 💀

Or do you mean the icy lake

That's just a thing kept from Snowy Bozo during LethalElements Snowfall

[sweet prawn]

Yeah frozen lake.

[sweet prawn]

I'm a sucker for interactive environment mechanics that change how you can or will play especially if it's tied to something varying and external like the weather.

[quasi nest]

It do be weight-dependant too

[sweet prawn]

As it should be

[keen osprey]

me casually entering with the anvil from IS

[inner wasp]

finally!!! lets goo

paco you gotta go into that frozen water

you need to cool down

you are cooking way too much

you are on fire

[quasi nest]

It's a feature from last year 💀

Snozoros

[inner wasp]

WHAT

[keen osprey]

[inner wasp]

i thought the ice breaking thingy wasnt there yet

[quasi nest]

Oh no that's always been there

[inner wasp]

you said the ice had an animation but it didnt actually break

:0

mandela effect? insanity?

whats happening

[quasi nest]

Oh I mighta been talking about the LethalElements water freezing, which I had to disable for the breakable lake

[inner wasp]

yes!!

wait then

oh wait...

is this...

YOUR lethalelements?

[quasi nest]

I do it in the Bozo compat for Snowfall

[foggy ingot]

sneezefest

🤭 🤭 🤭

[quasi nest]

Brief build time

[foggy ingot]

💀

[visual obsidian]

heya

Sooooo

I would like to report a bug with the bananas

for V73

So when you slip on the banana

you become tilted permanently

[quasi nest]

look inside

[quasi nest]

Is there mayhaps an error in log

[rich plinth]

Can i keep this as a feature as a config plz

[quasi nest]

It used to happen a while back when the player died to one (like falling into pit), but that should not be the case anymore

[sweet prawn]

Maybe it has to do with the ship

Either that or 73 changed something that the original fix interacted with

[quasi nest]

Nah if the player rotation's not reset, it means they're still 'falling' from the banana peel

[sweet prawn]

Why does that sound somehow worse

[quasi nest]

[sweet prawn]

Well it sounds pretty fixable at least. Weird though, very very weird.

Boy LC was just NOT made for physics.

[quasi nest]

It's fixable in the sense that it's already fixed

I dunno why it didn't reset player in that instance

Logs be needed

Although uhhhhhh I know what it could be mayhaps

[visual obsidian]

I keep missing it

well its not showing any errors as of now

and they are still tilted

[quasi nest]

Send da log file

[visual obsidian]

We're still ingame

not sure if it'll let me

Yeah its 0KB

[quasi nest]

Open da file

It makes it write to disk

[quasi nest]

50 MB

monkaS~1

Lol

Hmm

[bleak remnant]

Lunxaras sent bigger you'll be fine

[quasi nest]

Ye I know

[visual obsidian]

We've been here for 5 hours

[quasi nest]

[Debug  :LobbyControl] Incoming late connection.
[Warning:LobbyControl] Connection request Enqueued! count:1
[Warning:LobbyControl] Connection request Resumed! remaining: 0
[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
UnityEngine.Component.GetComponent[T] () (at <c39a522eee05469b8171a6cfeb646c59>:IL_0021)
Unity.Netcode.SceneEventData.SortChildrenNetworkObjects (Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject first, Unity.Netcode.NetworkObject second) (at <d961951ab868489cbec1aa9b2480688f>:IL_000A)
System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1[T].PickPivotAndPartition (T[] keys, System.Int32 lo, System.Int32 hi, System.Comparison`1[T] comparer) (at <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_003D)
System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1[T].IntroSort (T[] keys, System.Int32 lo, System.Int32 hi, System.Int32 depthLimit, System.Comparison`1[T] comparer) (at <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_0069)
System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1[T].IntrospectiveSort (T[] keys, System.Int32 left, System.Int32 length, System.Comparison`1[T] comparer) (at <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_0013)
System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1[T].Sort (T[] keys, System.Int32 index, System.Int32 length, System.Comparison`1[T] comparer) (at <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_0000)
Rethrow as InvalidOperationException: Failed to compare two elements in the array.
System.Collections.Generic.ArraySortHelper`1[T].Sort (T[] keys, System.Int32 index, System.Int32 length, System.Comparison`1[T] comparer) (at <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_0023)
System.Collections.Generic.List`1[T].Sort (System.Comparison`1[T] comparison) (at <1071a2cb0cb3433aae80a793c277a048>:IL_0013)
...

[visual obsidian]

Infact

[quasi nest]

Late joining's buggy right now iirc

[visual obsidian]

we are playing on Playzone

[quasi nest]

Or uhhh

If a client tries to late join it'll spam those errors sometimes

Or something

Should reload lobby if someone's joining

[visual obsidian]

Funny enough

its all purple blaster moon

[quasi nest]

-# Pew

[visual obsidian]

pew

[visual obsidian]

ight

[burnt cedar]

i installed lunxaras pack a while ago

I decided to clear my mod cache a few days after

cleared 27.6 gb

[quasi nest]

Wesley updates

[quasi nest]

But yeah can also disable banana peels for now by setting their inside and outside multipliers to 0 in the config

I think I did goof somethin, but I gotta double check it's that

[quasi nest]

Can be done in-game and they'll be gone next landing

[quasi nest]

Oh hmmmmmm

Yeah I did goof something

[sweet prawn]

Huh?

[rich plinth]

Hoooly

[quasi nest]

It somewhat technical but I actually have no idea what exactly it could cause 💀

Not ideal though

For one, this Rpc needs RequireOwnership set to false, or else clients can't call it to sync with host + other clients

But also

I deleted the wrong thing when I was changing this

So it was running the despawn thingy when detaching, but only when called by the host

It uhhhhh

Has weird implications

[bleak remnant]

I mean, ClientRpc also meant host would get the call, .NotMe means they don't anymore

Ig I'd need your other code to really determine

[quasi nest]

I have it so it's called for the local client, then the client sends the Rpc to everyone else with NotMe (since it's already run for them)

But it do need RequireOwnership to be false

[bleak remnant]

Yeah true

[quasi nest]

But yeah not 100% sure of all it could cause, it's just not ideal 💀

[bleak remnant]

also you were only sent a screenshot

i wonder if it was only visual on other clients

or it really affected that client too

[quasi nest]

Ye it might've been fine for the client

I shall hotfix this though

[sweet prawn]

[quasi nest]

Da fix is pushed

[tranquil parcel]

this is what happens when you disable the console instead of disabling spammy logs

i am simply better in this regard

[quasi nest]

Typically it's just something erroring out every frame, not exactly a 'spammy log' from like vanilla

[tranquil parcel]

yeah

though typically i sort out issues before long sessions

so the logs are like 10mb at most

[sleek plover]

Only errors are logged.
That gif was the result of about 20 enemies stack tracing every frame during an abnormally long oxyde visit

[night quest]

Oh god yeah lmao I remember that visit to Oxyde ☠️

[night quest]

In this case it was Oxyde exploding after we had Mineshaft as the interior so every enemy’s ai was broken on clients and exploded throwing tons of errors every frame

It was nuts

Xu was quick to fix it but yeah

[strange beacon]

wait what

[night quest]

Funny edge case of an issue

[strange beacon]

is there an interior

[night quest]

Nope lol, but the enemies were trying to look for the elevator that didn’t exist basically

[strange beacon]

oh

peak

[bleak remnant]

vanilla bug where enemies still though the current interior was mineshaft because the moon before the company moon was mineshaft

thought*

doesnt happen in vanilla cuz enemies dont spawn on company

but it would if they did 🙃

[quasi nest]

[still plank]

was going through old clips and found this video where me and my gf were on desynced codes (she updated and i didnt) and it happened to be after the bouncy castle launching patch

[sweet prawn]

You got launched into the damn stratosphere like a football being thrown by John elway

[earnest zealot]

Just saw Playzone's birthday room

What... what happened there

[quasi nest]

Pizza time

[earnest zealot]

I no longer feel safe in there

xD

[unreal jackal]

you felt safe AT ALL in PlayZone???

[earnest zealot]

Cosmic Zone is my homie

Comfy

I miss when Motra's Playzone put me in the Tyke Room and not right into MurderMcBuzzingStatic Party Room.

[sweet prawn]

I've never felt safe in places like play zone. Safety is a suggestion, full of violations, and the trampolines a fucking death sentence. I think i'd feel safer in an abandoned factory than the fnaf looking building code breaking hell pit disguised as a fun center where crimes were likely eaten for breakfast and murders were definitely hidden.

Still a sick ass interior though. Matt & Co really outdid themselves when they made it.

[hazy leaf]

Been experiencing an issue when trying to load into moons that loaded PlayZone as the interior:

[night quest]

@quasi nest

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[hazy leaf]

019a1450-16b1-dd8b-3411-97ce99207cf9

Code if you needddd

[quasi nest]

Actually could you send full log too?

There's some mod goofing up locked doors

[hazy leaf]

I'll get it to happen again it's pretty consistent for me

I'll disable the other interiors, doubt they're causing the issue

[quasi nest]

Unrelated but MoreInteriors patches Object.Equals()? 💀

It do be deprecated too

[hazy leaf]

Cursed

I have it disabled rn and it's still happeningg

I'm just cleaning up the log a bit so it's more readable lmao

[quasi nest]

Oh it's fine

I do just ctrl+F Error and skip to errors specifically

[hazy leaf]

Too late 🙂

Thats from startup to loading into a moon

Specifically Artifice

This is with the other interiors disabled, same modlist otherwise

[quasi nest]

LCGoldScrap

It errors out trying to find a property that my class, which inherits from DoorLock, lacks

Here specifically: https://github.com/SimonTendo/LCGoldScrapMod/blob/master/Assets/LCGoldScrapMod/Scripts/Miscellaneous/TagDoor.cs#L38

I'd suggest publicizing the game assembly instead of doing reflection to get private stuff

[hazy leaf]

I'll let SimonTendo know

Ty

I think theres some other stuff since GoldScrap updated that's weird

Cause the store stuff for it doesn't show up in darmuh's terminal stuff StorePlus page

[hazy leaf]

@marsh brook

[marsh brook]

thanks for the update, I'll look into it rn

[night quest]

This will also just be good from an optimization standpoint too

[quasi nest]

Mayhaps

[marsh brook]

oh yeah how do you do that in a unity project, know I can get assemblypublicizer in a vs project but haven't found a way to do that in unity-imported dll's

[night quest]

Btw since you're here, I think you still need to update LCLocalFixes to remove the patch for MRAPI since that issue you patched got fixed in the API itself

[marsh brook]

I think so too

[night quest]

However there do be another thing with MRAPI you might be interested in looking into fixing @quasi nest You might remember the problem idk how to describe it rn

[quasi nest]

I do not remember anything more than a few days ago

I am goldfish

[night quest]

But I would prolly recommend making a seperate mod for it

[quasi nest]

Not sure though actually, it do be pretty easy to do in a .csproj file but I'm not sure how it's handled through editor

[night quest]

This stuff it's doing lmao

I went and checked the femmployee thread

[quasi nest]

Also the GameLibs NuGet package should just be publicized already, it don't even require the publicizer

[night quest]

But yeah if you make a patch to fix MRAPI I'd upload it as a seperate mod and try to pr it on the Github

[marsh brook]

yeahh no problem, I'll just wack-a-mole any bugs that pop up and try to get around it
don't have the time to jump through tons of hoops rn either

[quasi nest]

Ye, I could actually probably just add a hauntedDoor field to my component too probably lol

Even if I don't use it

[marsh brook]

nah it's fine, in this case it's just my mod potentially messing up many other mods
I was a bit in a rush and careless when working on goldscrap v2 and lots of error checks slipped through the cracks

[marsh brook]

I believe I've managed to fix my side of the issue regarding doors on playzone (right after spawning synced props but before spawning items it doesn't throw the reflection error anymore) but the level still doesn't load for me so I'm not going to make any statements on that

[quasi nest]

Oh wait it doesn't load at all?

Thonk

I had it load on my testing profile despite the reflection error, so yeah guess it's something else

[quasi nest]

Actually RuntimeIcons being generated for the Apparatuses does suggest that that's what tried to spawn, hmm

Although on the first image only

[marsh brook]

oh yeah sorry, so to be clear: the left image is the old goldscrap, the right image is goldscrap with the door fix

and now that I actually think about, I don't believe the doors specifically erroring would have halted gameplay entirely, it would have just prevented one optional goldscrap object from executing its code

[quasi nest]

Is this with the profile that was sent earlier? Or one with just PlayZone + GoldScraps?

[marsh brook]

with the profile yes, using this code

[hazy leaf]

I could try running without runtime icons when I get home from work today

Though I notice on both of those a scrap spawns with a null parent shortly after the error?

The one on the left is the vanilla Tragedy mask, and on the right is the gold toy robot variant

[quasi nest]

Oh no I meant the appies failed to spawn or somethin

[hazy leaf]

Ah

[hazy leaf]

Seems to happen somewhat more inconsistently now?

Gonna keep going through my modlist to see if disabling one makes it stop altogether though

[hazy leaf]

Disabling GoldScrap did not fixxxx

Digging into more in my list

[hazy leaf]

It'd be funny if it was BrutalCompany events that replace scrap causing the issue

But I got a ways to go before I get to that point

Honestly might just try it

[sweet prawn]

Do it

The voices command it

[hazy leaf]

If only I could force it so only events I want spawn

So I could do non-scrap replacing/spawning events

and see if it's fine

Would explain why it's intermittent for me too, cause I don't always roll scrap related events

Might have found the issue then

But it seems to be only the vanilla ones, cause I tried one of my custom scrap replacing events and it was fine

Got it three times in a row now

Maybe not, tried cutting down to bare minimum for Brutal and PlayZone

Damnnn

But then I went back to Artifice and it happened again

Huhhh

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[hazy leaf]

My modlist at this point is just:
PlayZone 1.1.3
LethalLevelLoaderUpdated 1.5.1
BrutalCompanyMinusExtraReborn 1.26.5
LethalLevelLoader 1.4.11
itolib 0.5.1
TerminalApi 1.5.5
LethalNetworkAPI 3.3.2
OdinSerializer 2024.2.2700
LCMaxSoundsFix 1.2.0
FixPluginTypesSerialization 1.1.4
LethalModDataLib 1.2.2
BepInExPack 5.4.2100
LCBetterSavesFix 1.0.0
LCBetterSaves 1.7.3

[quasi nest]

Actually uhh

[hazy leaf]

Maybe I wasn't seeing it on Experimentation because the particular scrap that is being replaced isn't spawning due to the smaller amount of scrap spawns?

[quasi nest]

BrutalCompany's "Transmuting n scrap" sounds sus

[quasi nest]

Also sorry didn't mean to ping, I forgor to turn it off when replying 💀

[hazy leaf]

I can get it to happen pretty consistently on Artifice forcing PlasticCup

But not a custom event that basically does the same thing when I was running my Wesley's Moons custom events

and those I'm pretty sure replace all scrap spawns

Soft may have written new transmute code for the custom events, while the vanilla ones might be using the code from the original release of BCMinus

[quasi nest]

Whar

[hazy leaf]

When I made my custom events I made them work that way

Because you can define how much scrap they transmute

Idk how the vanilla ones work

[quasi nest]

Vanilla event?

[hazy leaf]

Yea like the ones that just come pre-installed with Brutal

Soft made his own system awhile back so people can add their own events

[quasi nest]

I see

Well uhh, not sure if the transmuting scrap's touching stuff I spawn via my library's ScrapSpawner but it likely wouldn't play well if it makes the scrap not spawn properly

I do handle syncing item positions and values and stuff myself

[hazy leaf]

It's supposed to replace scrap that's already been spawned

As far as I know

[quasi nest]

My stuff actually spawns right before the actual round scraps

I'll look more into it in a bit, but it's likely the scrap transmutation stuff

[hazy leaf]

It could be your stuff expecting something in particular being there but it gets transmuted when it checks it

But I'm asking Soft about it rn

@topaz shell

Incase you'd rather use a code to test this lol

019a1a04-5a16-f5c3-c3f1-f454999373f7

[marsh brook]

goldscrap still giving that error?

[quasi nest]

It ain't GoldScraps, worry not

[marsh brook]

oh okay coolio

thought I went and done hecked it up again 🤠

but yeah good luck with the rest of this error, looks like a fun one

[hazy leaf]

I really think it could be a particular piece of scrap being transmuted but, I need to test custom scrap events more

[sweet prawn]

[hazy leaf]

I made a test scrap that is set to 0 for all the transmute values, but according to the logs it still transmutes 1 scrap at a minimum

I've yet to get it to crash with that one, so I think it's transmuting a particular scrap that uses those methods in the error log

[hazy leaf]

Maybe it's the two apparati?

[hazy leaf]

@quasi nest Do you add your scrap behavior code onto any vanilla scrap?

I'm testing out a transmute blacklist feature for Soft, and it seems to be not transmuting any of the scrap from PlayZone anymore but it still happens

[quasi nest]

The guaranteed spawns do just grab an item from the moon's pool

There's a couple of em

Stuff inside the Playhouse, bowling pins (if moving)

[hazy leaf]

Damn so a blacklist won't help here

It's because the item that's guaranteed to spawn is being despawned from the transmutation process

[quasi nest]

Yeah

It probably freaks out when attempting to sync the (now-despawned) item across clients

[hazy leaf]

You might have to make a workaround for when Brutal is installed, or maybe guarantee it's a scrap from your mod

[quasi nest]

I could maybe add an extra check to double check the item is spawned before attempting to sync, but I have not looked that much into it just yet

Ye

[hazy leaf]

Because then people can blacklist them from being transmuted

[quasi nest]

Brutal company could also probably switch to how vanilla handles 'deleting' items, which doesn't actually despawn them

Their radar map icon, renderers, and colliders are disabled, and their deactivated flag is toggled

Which functionally would act the same gameplay-wise

[quasi nest]

They're only despawned at the end of a round

[hazy leaf]

Soft said they need to do actual despawning for calculation purposes

oof

[quasi nest]

Oh, wacky

[hazy leaf]

For now I personally think making the guaranteed spawns scrap from your mod would be a good bandaid fix

But thats up to you, unless you think you could convince them to switch to vanilla "despawning" lol

[topaz shell]

@quasi nest when do the guaranteed items spawns occur? do they occur prior to/on RoundManager's waitForScrapToSpawnToSync?

[quasi nest]

Pretty early, right before actual moon scrap starts spawning

[topaz shell]

is it possible to have a method to push it after BCMER's OnwaitForScrapToSpawnToSync method which patches on top of this if Brutal is installed?

[quasi nest]

I add them to a NetworkList and sync them through the list's OnListChanged

[topaz shell]

ah

I'm worried defaulting to vanilla's despawn methods could have major unattended effects on the mod.

[quasi nest]

I can probably double check items are spawned right before trying to send it to clients (and creating the NetworkObjectReference), but like I do expect them to be spawned at that point lol

Oh wait no actually

[topaz shell]

?

[quasi nest]

I do wait two additional frames before syncing like position values and stuff (because of how Zeekerss added one-frame delay to items falling), though it might not matter actually

But yeah I can probably just fix it on my end with the extra check

[topaz shell]

I wish I could move it over on my side but looking at the code, it likely looks like it would break a major portion of everything unfortunately

[visual obsidian]

Im naming an MSM monster based off Bozoros

[quasi nest]

Spooky Bozo out

[quasi nest]

@topaz shell Also this should be fixed in latest itolib version

[hazy leaf]

😮

I’ll let you know, ty!

[quasi nest]

Behold, the fix: https://github.com/pacoito123/LC_itolib/commit/b9f284359c91852ac8fed958080fe7ee7e3db283

[hazy leaf]

Pogggg

[visual obsidian]

No fucking way

lets goooooooooooooooooooooo

https://tenor.com/view/smg4-mr-puzzles-mr-wpnz-dance-aska-gif-10624940060491373880

[inner wasp]

spooky bozo out

[sweet prawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/969438040613351514/1433688057462395001/ezgif-7058a584f49768.gif?ex=6905998d&is=6904480d&hm=f8e49616d10f98774da8cad9c052e211165df1ddcec2eeb8ee619da6d3bec9e1&

[strange beacon]

@quasi nest hi so

candy corn is glowing

idk if this is intentional

and also

the place lightning strikes doesnt move with it

[quasi nest]

Whar

[quasi nest]

It do be emissive, but it shouldn't itself emit light

[quasi nest]

Also it's not conductive

[strange beacon]

it

was sparking

[quasi nest]

I mighta goofed it then

Lemme double check

Yeah nevermind it do be set to conductive

[quasi nest]

I dunno what would cause this though

Actually

I know what would cause that

[quasi nest]

I assume it replaced a beehive on Bozo, right?

Or was it a separate spawn added to a moon

If it replaced a beehive, the original beehive mighta been what was struck, I dunno if Stormy checks for 'deactivated' items (which is how vanilla handles destroying items)

[stable haven]

modpack refuses to load bozoros when i enter the moon

@late roost this was the same glitch i was originally getting on other moons too but if youd know the root cause lmk

i think its something to do with centralconfig but i dont entirely know

[quasi nest]

[Info   :impulse.CentralConfig] Dungeon Generation has failed 185 times, this would indicate the dungeon refused to generate at any size. Please notify me if you see this.
[Info   :impulse.CentralConfig] Dungeon has been loaded by Central Config. Final dungeon size multiplier is: 0.02x after 185 attempts.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

Not sure what CentralConfig's doin but it's doin somethin

[stable haven]

ah damn

forwarded to centralconfig's thread

[quasi nest]

Might just be something misconfigured

Could try resetting some settings

[strange beacon]

this is not centralconfigs fault

[stable haven]

switching to lunarconfig fixed this

[strange beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/when-you-see-bread-on-sale-666-devil-demon-satan-gif-5567765888463536926

[stable haven]

satan

[inner wasp]

are you lurking?

[burnt cedar]

who, me?

no, im bee knee

[inner wasp]

was trying a hypothesis

seems it didnt work

[spring crypt]

Btw. @quasi nest, you do not happen to have figured something out regarding that in the meantime? ^-^'

[quasi nest]

Hmmm not really, does it still happen for you?

I haven't noticed any stutters in particular

[spring crypt]

I see; I shall test it again in a moment :3

[quasi nest]

I do still think it mighta been from Bracken/Snare Flea pathing

Without PathfindingLagFix they can cause some stuttering

At least when pathing towards their preferred spot

[spring crypt]

Okay; Idea: I will try it without anything else installed. If it stutters, I add Imperium and make sure no enemies are around and then observe if it stutters again

And maybe we can figure what the f is going on X3

[quasi nest]

Ye try see if it happens without enemies

Could also spawn a few Snare Fleas to try and cause it intentionally

[spring crypt]

Will do so, if the stutters persist

r2modman does not wanna work aaagaaaaaaain
0 dependencies, newest version outdated; Sure...

[quasi nest]

It's updating online mod cache

Takes a bit

[spring crypt]

Oh, have been very unlucky with that in recent times then

Happened way too often

And if I quit while it did it, it would have a DB error

[quasi nest]

Yeah it's probably still running in the background if you close it during that

Don't need to actually reset settings, it should just load fine when it finishes and closes properly

[spring crypt]

I usually restarted my PC to fix that

Your LLL update REALLY sped up the loading times holy shit

[quasi nest]

Sorta

It's a bit conditional

But also only really noticeable with like larger moon bundles and stuff

[spring crypt]

Yeah; Great to have :3

Been on the map since a few minutes now and thus far.. nothin'

The balloon only render when very close

[quasi nest]

Ye that's uhhh

I forgor to replace those balloons with the new Bozo ones

And they previously had LODs (that I removed)

[spring crypt]

I see. But I actually do not have the weird stutter anymore currently

Crazy

Gonna land a second time to make sure

[quasi nest]

[spring crypt]

I will also spawn brakens and snare fleas this time

Though a snare flea was around

I do not get the Windows media error anymore either

ALSO; these are friggin' fun, awesome update whichever one added those X3

[quasi nest]

They got added in update v1.0.0

(Always been there lol)

[spring crypt]

Never saw them before lol

[quasi nest]

They do be somewhat rare

[spring crypt]

This thing neither

[spring crypt]

Saw two today

[quasi nest]

I made em automatic since balloon controls were not too intuitive, but they're still a bit jank in some circumstances

[quasi nest]

These do show up pretty often

[spring crypt]

The fun stuff hid away from me

Was too unfun for it back then, clearly

[quasi nest]

Fun requirement not met

[spring crypt]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-red-faced-blushing-anime-panicking-gif-11072802539943835908

[quasi nest]

Kinda wanna rework them a bit before allowing them to show up more often

Have not gotten around to em

[spring crypt]

That would be awesome

Okay, I spawned a few Brackens and Snare fleas (3 of each) and only that managed to lead to some lagging now

[quasi nest]

Yeahh

[spring crypt]

Only when jumping

So, seems all works

[quasi nest]

PathfindingLagFix should deal with their lag

[spring crypt]

Even less of an issue then

Seems it is wholly functional for me as well now

Whatever dark magic you used to make it

[quasi nest]

Jumping lags likely because Brackens stop being able to path towards you for a brief moment and try to path to their preferred spot, then back once you land

If I had to guess

[spring crypt]

Guessed the same

But eitherway

Awesome!

I can now consider adding this to my modpack

And you have a problem less to worry about

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[late roost]

׆ what's going on over here

[visual obsidian]

The heat death of the universe

Also Hello LethalMatt

its been a hot minuteeee

How are you!?

[late roost]

all good. still looking for work. about to begin a new portfolio project. not lethal company related sadly

i also got married so life's busy

[strange beacon]

oh shit congrats :D

[visual obsidian]

WHAAAATTTT!!??

DUDE THATS AWESOME

CONGRATS!!!

[hollow wind]

Congratulations man! That's amazing news!!

[inner wasp]

Wooooow congrats matt!!!

Really happy to hear that

And i hope you can find a job soon!

[visual obsidian]

Paco

Henlo

[keen osprey]

Ito

There

[inner wasp]

Lib

[burnt cedar]

Nits

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[strange beacon]

pacoito almost fully rhymes with bozoros

are they connected in some way 🤔

[strange beacon]

@quasi nest brother

this is a bit silly

dont you think

even for this place

[quasi nest]

💀

I have not seen it generate like that lmao

[unreal jackal]

steam is stored in the red stripes

[inner wasp]

Makes sense for me

[late roost]

for no reason at all I just want to share this roof I'm working on

[inner wasp]

Is it good?, ive never had in-n-out

[strange beacon]

@quasi nest

[burnt cedar]

@pipe-oito

https://tenor.com/view/cat-standing-cat-standing-falling-falling-over-gif-9663251229376830097

the pipes will always win

[valid vigil]

i understood that reference..

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1307757394276909076/1443758467302166620/teso6jduys3g1.gif

[strange beacon]

its so intimidating

[quasi nest]

Lmao

Modern art

[keen osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/art-modernart-nochill-reallythough-funny-gif-4621518

[strange beacon]

@quasi nest how rare is foggy bozoros

i got it for the first time today

at least as far as i can remember

[quasi nest]

Oh it's been a thing for a while now

Guessing you probably had old WR weights maybe

Although no it shoulda been able to switch to Foggy regardless since it is an available weather

[strange beacon]

i mean i set the weights up differently so that probably upped the chance

[quasi nest]

But yeah moons don't determine weather rarity, that be a WR thing

Vanilla's just randomized

[strange beacon]

weird RNG ig

[quasi nest]

Anyway expect a haircut

||Can disable the extra spawns in config, Barbers just vibe really well with the fog lol||

[late roost]

I used to be a hater until I learned you can ask for pickles. Total game changer

[strange beacon]

@quasi nest apparently theres an incompatibility on bozoros with snowyholidaydropship

which is weird to me because ive never had this happen till now

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

Dunno what it's checking for

[strange beacon]

its probably related to the music the dropship makes

[strange beacon]

@quasi nest

[quasi nest]

monkaS~1

It does look ominous lmao

[wanton seal]

real

[still plank]

(guy who doesnt know anything about modding but loves this planet snd doing stupid shit) is there any way to make the truck slip on the banana peels. a setting or perhaps configuration

[quasi nest]

Mario Kart experience 🔥

[quasi nest]

I probably could have it apply some force to the Cruiser itself if it touches one lol, but have not done such a thing

[still plank]

i see, no worries then! yeah its true this was inspired by us thinking about mario kart hahaha

[quasi nest]

[solar dirge]

r2modman DB corruption happens way too often lately. the solution is to migrate to Gale btw

[spring crypt]

It always happens when I am being impatient with it, I noticed. And gale does not work on NixOS as of now, or I lack dependencies (which I have yet to look into)

[solar dirge]

isn't is a self-contained electron app? how could that not work anywhere?

[late roost]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAErD8xzjCM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKqV7DB8Iwg

iykyk

[burnt cedar]

🤨

i have a hunch…

[civic quarry]

This happens when people force close the app via a process manager or shutdown

It's not that deep, it's classic behaviour that you'd kind of expect when force killing an app rather than waiting a couple of seconds

If it's mid updating the package index cache, it'll corrupt because you've just killed it mid write

It's noticeable in Lethal Company rather than other communities specifically because it's a huge package index and so it does take a few seconds to read and write what's over half a gig of data

The actual corruption aspect is more correlated to Electron and IndexedDB rather than an actual r2 implementation.
I believe Gale has this issue less frequently because SQLite is running as a separate process, and so it's not killed in the same way

[nocturne charm]

Not saying this in an attempt to throw the blame back in your court because I'm sure there's legitimate reasons but it's classic behaviour that you'd kind of expect when force killing an app rather than waiting a couple of seconds is not behaviour i personally have ever really had experience in as someone who does force close a lot of things

[civic quarry]

Are you force closing things that are writing data though?

Probably not

[nocturne charm]

I mean it's not really practical for me to answer that question but i feel like it's fairly likely?

[civic quarry]

Granted I'd imagine people don't really expect r2 to be writing data, but it's for memory/performance reasons

But honestly I don't think that many apps are actively writing data in the same way (as a background process)

If IndexedDB corrupts during a write, that's the entirety of the data gone. I believe it's just a Node limitation and it's just unfortunate

but the solution really is to just not force close the app

They even said themselves:

It always happens when I am being impatient with it
*[during a 800MB+ read/write]

and to be fair, I wonder if we could move the data writing to a separate thread so it doesn't hang anything

fwiw this is the first real discussion on it so I'm mostly just writing thoughts

[spring crypt]

> gale
... (ommitted for text limit) ...
2025-12-09T14:02:38.321387Z DEBUG gale::db::cache: changelog_cache is below threshold (0 < 1000)
2025-12-09T14:02:38.336273Z DEBUG hyper_util::client::legacy::connect::http: connecting to 104.26.14.210:443
2025-12-09T14:02:38.339901Z DEBUG hyper_util::client::legacy::connect::http: connected to 104.26.14.210:443
2025-12-09T14:02:38.372222Z DEBUG hyper_util::client::legacy::pool: pooling idle connection for ("https", thunderstore.io)
2025-12-09T14:02:38.390688Z DEBUG hyper_util::client::legacy::connect::http: connecting to 92.223.124.62:443
2025-12-09T14:02:38.401537Z DEBUG hyper_util::client::legacy::connect::http: connected to 92.223.124.62:443
2025-12-09T14:02:38.448315Z DEBUG hyper_util::client::legacy::pool: pooling idle connection for ("https", gcdn.thunderstore.io)
2025-12-09T14:02:38.448485Z DEBUG hyper_util::client::legacy::pool: reuse idle connection for ("https", gcdn.thunderstore.io)
2025-12-09T14:02:38.587235Z DEBUG hyper_util::client::legacy::pool: pooling idle connection for ("https", gcdn.thunderstore.io)
2025-12-09T14:02:38.587624Z DEBUG gale::thunderstore::fetch: fetched 12 packages for among-us in 268.419627ms
Gdk-Message: 15:02:38.796: Error 71 (Protocol error) dispatching to Wayland display.

Gotta look into it more sometime.

[spring crypt]

That'd be good because it took me a while to realize what the issue was because the app does not really communicate what it is doing, just ceases function.

[solar dirge]

I'd expect apps like this not to keep long-running file-writing processes, especially when I don't even really modify stuff -- only click Launch Modded.

I mean, excuse me, my (Framework) laptop (16) is shite, and can just shut down while closed or even left unattended. There's not much I can do about it. Other apps somehow manage to survive (flush databases, not keep files open, etc)

[solar dirge]

IS THERE NO TRANSACTION API IN SQL

[civic quarry]

IndexedDB, no

I don't believe so anyway

[civic quarry]

It's not that long running

All you have to do is click the close button and wait for a second or so ordinarily, it's just unlucky timing sometimes

[solar dirge]

and yet, it finds its way to break almost every other day lately. no, I'm not closing while "fetching"

[civic quarry]

Usually it's not even noticeable, it's just because LC has such a large index

Does it though?

It's an incredibly rare report for me - I haven't seen it in weeks if not more

I mean if you do, fair enough, would be cool to let me know when it first happens and ideally reproducible steps so I can tackle things like this sooner

I'm not saying it's not an issue, I just don't really see it and no one mentions me so I don't usually see it

[solar dirge]

for some reason, it couldn't even recover on the first few tries -- Reset seemingly doesn't help, but after a couple of attempts it eventually resets, and goes to a home screen with games selection (forgets Favorite), but Profiles list persists

[solar dirge]

"IndexedDB is a transactional database system" <- MDN

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[civic quarry]

interesting

I mean it's probably transactional code

I have no idea how the implementation is done right now

The caching implementation wasn't me

I'll do a review of it and see if it's missing transactional wrappers and if not then I'll see what I can do

My assumption was no because it's wrapped around Dexie, and I don't think my settings implementations used transactions

[scenic pulsar]

I just found out what happens when you go up the elevator after pulling apparati out... I'm scared.

Someone did not have a good day at this playzone

[quasi nest]

[wanton seal]

you should see the party room [REDACTED]

[late roost]

https://tenor.com/view/jasonmer-jasonmercieca-party-room-gif-8355353

[quasi nest]

Pizza's getting cold

[neat mirage]

dont wanna put MORE work on your back but wonder, will outpost ever be updated?

[quasi nest]

I started it actually but have not finished it

I kinda wanna do something about uhhh

Walking off into the distance lol

Kinda wanna add fog that causes the player or Cruiser to teleport to the other side of the map and turn around, though I have not cooked it

[neat mirage]

thats fine, just hope to see it again as the thing is one my fav horror movies

tho tbh id be cool if a second outpost was added to reference the 2011 prequel

maybe far off in the distance for a secret fire exit

[quasi nest]

[inner wasp]

hey paco sorry to ask in here idk where to ask but did you fix the host only lever issue in LLL?

[quasi nest]

Ye

[neat mirage]

im not sure what that means lol

[inner wasp]

you are amazing

[quasi nest]

Don't read much into it

Lol

[visual badge]

bozoros is going to look awesome with grass

[quasi nest]

It do sound neat

[burnt cedar]

i threw fertilizer all over bozoros and now the grownits are coming

https://tenor.com/view/uni-flower-running-walking-maxwell-gif-7997726250022947148

[late rivet]

you're right

[buoyant sandal]

I shed a tear

[inner wasp]

I teared a shed

[late roost]

I shedded and teared

[visual badge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/770420227191341079/1390288025673793556/moovie-2x.gif

[solar dirge]

you say, don't kill it, it's not that long running. But sometimes (quite often) it happens that I click Launch Modded, and... nothing launches. Laptop Starts spinning fans, task manager shows r2modman process is eating up ~5-10% CPU, but Steam does nothing, and game ain't starting. Even then if I close r2modman window, the window closes and keeps eating CPU in the background for another minute. What are users supposed to do with hanging processes like that?

[civic quarry]

That is very likely the Steam executable

The manager appears active because it’s getting stdout from the executable

[gilded marten]

looks like the balloons in playzone are bugged rn!

like they only show up when you're really close

[quasi nest]

Ye

[quasi nest]

I forgor to replace them when I redid the Bozo balloons like a month ago, and I removed the LODs since I wasn't using them anymore

So they only show up when close

[clear kettle]

use gale instead. r2 is ridiculously resource hungry for no good reason

[civic quarry]

It’s actually barely any different from Gale

Gale’s resource usage is primarily moved into the WebView2 process

Not visible in its own “Gale” process

I believe last time I checked it was about 30-50MBs difference? Mostly owing to the Electron executable overhead if anything

[solar dirge]

it feels very different. pretty sure it is measurable too: switching profiles in Gale is instanteneous and doesn't hang up UI for half a second

and the list of profiles itself is not obscured by that insane Configuration > menu flow

thought for food

[quasi nest]

Barely any different in resource usage specifically is what he means

[solar dirge]

there are bunch of types of resources. human time (wall clock) is one of them

[civic quarry]

resource hungry
refers to memory and is what I was referrring to

You don't need to go to settings, you just go to the bottom left and click the profile, and then change profile

[solar dirge]

cool. somehow I never realized there could a meaningful menu popup behind that interactive thing

prob. 'cause it doesn't even look like a button until you specifically hover over it -- which is less likely given how out of the way it is from anything

[civic quarry]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I can move it but I don't think it's super high priority

[solar dirge]

we definitely lost a lot of usability when moved away from 3D-ish skeuomorphic buttons

[civic quarry]

My next plans are:

• i18n
• Jump to last selected game/profile on startup
• Reduce mods.yml file size to improve loading times

UI changes are less important imo and these things make it accessible to more people and improve the general app speed pretty heavily

[solar dirge]

clearly a button vs. some probably static image with an informational text label idk

[civic quarry]

It's probably just a case of moving it to the top

But otherwise yeah, some different coloured background could help

[solar dirge]

compared to: actually has a drop-down indicator, can't miss it

[civic quarry]

It's not a dropdown so it's not so appropriate

[solar dirge]

the problem is, you don't usually click a <current thing> when you want to go back to <a list of things>; unless it is clearly a drop-down of that <list of things> in the first place (as in Gale)

and that has been explained to you many times in that GitHub thread

[civic quarry]

Not particularly, it's your take vs mine

You aren't always correct, and neither am I

My take is that they're functionally different screens. Profiles management is conceptually different from mod management, and the separate screen lets you have more functionality / tailored interface for each

Realistically you aren't even really supposed to use modals from an accessibility perspective, they're just used because I wasn't as good with UX back then as I am now

Just to add: I also see profile and game switching as secondary to mod management. People don't actively switch profiles and games anywhere near as frequently as they'll install / update mods, and usually people will just have one or two profiles.
It doesn't apply to everyone obviously, it also can depend on the game, but it's just a general take for most people

But that's not to say that it doesn't need work, and I'm open to that

[solar dirge]

People don't actively switch profiles and games anywhere near as frequently as they'll install / update mods
source?

[civic quarry]

Just general discussion and suggestion count

It's not something that comes up all that frequently

[solar dirge]

my experience with Lethal is that someone makes a modpack, sends a code, and everyone imports it and doesn't touch anything

[civic quarry]

You also get a general idea from profile exports and community support

Yeah, my point being it's quite game dependent

[solar dirge]

or maybe they do install some of their client-only helpers locally, but that's still in a newly profile, from which you'd have to switch back later

[civic quarry]

I'm happy to work on ways to improve the profile process, but IMO it's probably not a navigational/dropdown change more than it is a shortcut back to the profile selection screen

• the above text on the separate profiles page

[sleek plover]

My two cents would be; Gale is significantly more responsive and convenient across the board compared to r2m

Switching profiles and customizing them is something I do often - even if it's someone elses modpack - so being able to quickly switch between installing and managing mods without having to wait 5 seconds for things to load is great.
Also the config adjusting experience is an order of magnitude better, as the UI is more compact and readable at a glance,

Common misc options like opening profile in file explorer and import/export being at the top and available at all times without needing to enter a separate page is also incredibly convenient

The experience is good enough where I wouldnt at all mind there being a small banner ad at the top or smth

[scarlet basin]

And dont forget Gale also has Synced profile feature so the host of the pack only needs to send the code once to people then after that when they make changes they just push their update to the pack and all players with the Synced pack can pull the update and the changes will be applied like Removing mods, adding mods, and config changes. No need to export/import the code every time you make a change.

[gilded marten]

in the meantime NoLOD by batby fixes this

[quasi nest]

Might be a bit rough performance-wise due to the meshes that do benefit from LODs lol

But fair

[gilded marten]

oh that's good to know! for some reason I thought LODs didn't do much 😅

[inner wasp]

They are one of the best ways of adding performance in any game ever

They are crucial to performance

At least this game isnt as crazy and wont affect as muuuuuch as others

[hollow wind]

You would be surprised

[bleak remnant]

some places in this game would benefit from LOD's yeah

[inner wasp]

Yeah but i mean

Red dead redemption 2

[bleak remnant]

most things are kinda low poly, though sometimes there's backward faces that arent needed, like the keyboard iirc
zeekerss also sometimes models things that shouldnt be modelled... like the keyboard keys iirc lol

[inner wasp]

No lod

[bleak remnant]

i mean yeah, those games strive on realism and much more open world cheese

[hollow wind]

In vanilla not much but modded moons, if I didn't have LODs in a couple of my forest moons they would run at 40fps at best

[inner wasp]

THATS WHAT I MEANT

GO TO SLEEP XU

FINISH YOUR MINECRAFT VIDEO

Grrrr

[bleak remnant]

soon

[inner wasp]

Tm

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

Snowy Bozo back

[strange beacon]

i think it contains nsfw content

(not snowy for a while)

[quasi nest]

look inside

[inner wasp]

SNOWY BOZO IS BACK???

Lets gooo

But before, blizzard was working!! Is it not the same

Also i got a ogobozo

[quasi nest]

Unwise

[quasi nest]

It be jollier

I did uh

I did minimal multiplayer testing however due to time constraints

SURELY it's all working properly

[inner wasp]

Worst dev ever

Remove LLL from thunderstore

[quasi nest]

I did multiplayer testing in my mind

[inner wasp]

Paco are you now the maintainer or is it still batby?

[quasi nest]

I've been addin stuff to it yeah

[inner wasp]

But its not yours yours like LLLU

Like, you cant break it completely and make it unusable

[hushed quail]

i mean

[quasi nest]

SURELY that wouldn't happen

Famously LLL v1.6.0 was a perfectly stable release

[inner wasp]

Yeah but i mesn that wasnt on purpose

I mean like having the power to just kill the entire modding scene

[quasi nest]

I mean yeah but I'd get (rightfully) kicked off the Thunderstore team immediately 💀

Or like I can't deprecate or delete it, and even if there was a goofy update people can just use an older version lol

[inner wasp]

TruE but thats like everyone

[sleek plover]

No yeah even if Paco just nuked the package off TS somehow we would just need a re-upload of the previous version that someone previously downloaded, since the mod files are included 1:1

[strange beacon]

@quasi nest would you consider adding the dubious candy corn bees as a skin for them

[sleek plover]

It's basically impossible for any one person to kill modding, no matter how critical their mod is to the ecosystem

[strange beacon]

assuming you can do that

[quasi nest]

Oh ye I could

I just realized I forgor to rename the hive back to '...Popcorn?'

[sleek plover]

Bozoros update when?

[quasi nest]

Bad update, unplayable 😔

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/update-yesterday-is-meme-gif-15631475504991516330

[sleek plover]

Holy shit

Real

Into soundapi basement you go

[quasi nest]

[sleek plover]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bird-open-door-gallina-caponata-caponata-puerta-gael85-kick-door-gif-10062329847935936327

[night quest]

It's Christmas he gets the day off today

[sleek plover]

False

[quasi nest]

sadcat

[sleek plover]

I am become corporation

Back to work

[high moat]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-free-from-shackles-gif-7325447028667253397

[inner wasp]

Bepinex:

Deleted from everywhere ever

[sleek plover]

Bepinex can also be reinstated...

its open source, plenty of forks out there already

[inner wasp]

Grrr

What about uhm idk you got me

[sleek plover]

Thats the benefit of open source. For better or worse, it cannot die

[rich plinth]

@late roost how you doin? Have you found a job? 👀

[late roost]

Still searchin'. I have an interview coming up soon. Had a couple interviews before but nothing solid yet

[bleak remnant]

Glgl

[nocturne charm]

job market be brutal

[late roost]

Game industry probably got the worst of it last year so a few of the jobs I'm applying to are 3D artists outside of games

My interview coming up is for a tech company

[rich plinth]

Good luck!

[late roost]

Thanks

[late roost]

In the pursuit of greatness I found perfection

You can go In, you can't get Out

[burnt cedar]

this looks awesome but

what is it for

[rich plinth]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-memes-omori-wendy's-sir-this-is-a-wendy’s-mcdonalds-gif-10606255422517932247

[late roost]

It's for a portfolio piece and a reason for me to brush up on Unreal Engine

[sleek plover]

Needs a single mop and bucket in the corner

[foggy ingot]

cleaning prison

[mild kernel]

Paco, is this supposed to work with your Eventful Apparatus? It doesn’t seem to but maybe I just did something wrong

[quasi nest]

Eventful Appy just activates itself innately

Or should, at least

[mild kernel]

Oh I think I read how it works wrong lol

I think I kept my "on" one and was expecting it to turn off automatically on relog, but I should've kept my "off" one and let it get turned on automatically if I'm understanding. Let me try that.

[quasi nest]

Ah yeah

It should be turned on if it spawns outside the ship pretty much

And not in orbit

[mild kernel]

yeah ok, doing it that way worked. Thanks!

[fiery coyote]

Do enemies spawn in playzone? Or is it a Galetry type deal

[strange beacon]

interiors should always spawn monsters

otherwise a core threat of the game is lost

needless to say, yes it has vents

[fiery coyote]

I couldn't agree more. Ty 🙏

[inner wasp]

Galetry type deal

Interesting way of putting it hehe

[strange beacon]

galetry type beat:
🎵 🛌 🎵

[fiery coyote]

Lmao. Tbh I totally misread the mod, that's my stupid fault. I thought it was a Moon/"Interior" situation.

[inner wasp]

Loud, really loud

[strange beacon]

hey man

[fiery coyote]

But this is what happens when you're trying to fix your body clock and have about 1 brain cell working, on the verge of total shutdown.

[strange beacon]

a loud warning wouldve been cool

[inner wasp]

XD

Its putting you to sleep one way or another

[inner wasp]

Wdym?

[fiery coyote]

Like Galetry 😛

[inner wasp]

What is moon/"interior"

[fiery coyote]

It means a moon, with a faux interior.

[burnt cedar]

adding this to lobotomy weather

[inner wasp]

Had me googling what faux meant 😭

Galetry has a false interior??

Do you mean like the appy section?

[fiery coyote]

That's just what I call it, I'm not saying that's good nomenclature lmfao

[inner wasp]

Fair

Playzone is an interior

Bozoros is the moon :3

[fiery coyote]

Yuh, I'm with ya at this point lol. Momentary lapse thanks to body death.

[strange beacon]

from ar-

[hushed quail]

😳

[visual badge]

why he built like a bozoros banana (spider warning)

[inner wasp]

webley warnin

[visual badge]

webley's brother, wobley

[keen osprey]

I would name him pito

[visual badge]

magic wesley & mystic wobley

separated at birth

[inner wasp]

in my country that's a funny word :3

[quasi nest]

look inside

In my language that's a funny word

[keen osprey]

which one

which language

[inner wasp]

actually yeah sorry xD

idk why i said country

meant language

tho i know in monty's country is where they say it the most hehe

[burnt cedar]

dont forget masochist wibley

(who is just webley but in disguise)

[inner wasp]

Psychowebley

[quasi nest]

I got the Ferris wheel to sync up a lot better with clients (ignore the fish)

[bleak remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-cute-dog-shaking-dog-puppy-cute-puppy-gif-25485866

[visual badge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-best-fails-best-fail-gifs-collab-clips-too-tall-ow-gif-9567717

[late roost]

Saw this gif and immediately thought of this

[spring elm]

@late roost

quick question

ive been trying to get rid of the custom play zone items for my modpack but it doesnt seem to work

can you help?

[late roost]

Paco might, I haven't played in a while and when I did I never played without custom items from PlayZone / other mods

[quasi nest]

There be a setting in the PlayZone config to turn off items being added to the loot pool

injectScrap

[spring elm]

well i turned it off but its still there

idk why

[quasi nest]

Oh probably the forced spawns actually, I don't think the setting targets those

Like the bowling balls with varying rotation

Or wait I forgot I fixed DungeonMatchingProperties on LLL's end so the setting doesn't actually do anything at the moment

LunarConfig should override those weights though

But a few scraps will still be there anyway (outside the moon's loot pool)

(Bowling balls, basketballs, dodgeballs, bowling shoes, pew guns)

[spring elm]

well is there a way to change that somehow?

[quasi nest]

Not at the moment

Though actually if LunarConfig lets you set global props, you can set the global prop with 1337 as its ID as a constant 0 lol

But I dunno if LunarConfig has that

[spring elm]

so i found the items in lunarconfig but idk what to do now

i dont see a thing for spawn weight

[quasi nest]

Ye it won't show up there

[quasi nest]

Forced spawns (these 5 items) I don't think you can turn off

But uhhhh

Oh they don't show up in the dungeon injection thing, hmmm

I thought it supported LLL's DungeonMatchingProperties in there

[quasi nest]

It'd be here where the items should show up, since they get added to the moon's loot pool at the start of the round

[spring elm]

what is this ''owo

[quasi nest]

Like it should show playzone:whackanoodle=+20 or some value in the spawnableScrap field

I forget the exact value

But they ain't there so I dunno if it overrides LLL's thing

Oh actually

I guess you could also set this to false

(in the LLL config)

But it'd affect anything that uses or will use DungeonMatchingProperties

[bleak remnant]

pretty sure dungeon injection in LLL didn't work back when the weight stuff for grabbing from LLL was made

so i think only moon scrap weights would've been grabbed

[quasi nest]

When dungeon injection got added to LunarConfig it was already workin

But ye it hadn't been functional for a while

[bleak remnant]

I imagine LunarConfig doesnt even ever reference LLL and instead only DawnLib

which is why i say that

[quasi nest]

Hmm right

[quasi nest]

I guess playzone:whackanoodle=*0 could be added for each of the PlayZone items lol

It'd override LLL's thing since LunarConfig gets applied later

[spring elm]

huh

im confused

[quasi nest]

Understandable lol

[quasi nest]

This exact string here:

playzone:cardboard_crown=*0,playzone:cosmic_bowling_ball=*0,playzone:cosmic_shoe=*0,playzone:extreme_dodgeball=*0,playzone:moo_can=*0,playzone:retro_cup=*0,playzone:riimote=*0,playzone:team_green_blaster=*0,playzone:team_purple_blaster=*0,playzone:toddler_shoe=*0,playzone:tornado_basketball=*0,playzone:vitasun_pouch=*0,playzone:whackanoodle=*0,playzone:yo_gurt_tube=*0

Should be in PlayZone's spawnableScrap field in config/LunarConfigDungeonInjection.cfg

It'll disable their natural spawns at least

[quasi nest]

Which is every item except these five

[spring elm]

https://tenor.com/view/rebooting-reboot-cat-cat-rebooting-rebooting-cat-gif-3440780284610960498

i think imma just remove the mod gng 🥀

[quasi nest]

Lol

[spring elm]

ts too complicated

[quasi nest]

It do need updatin so fair

[spring elm]

thx for the help tho

[quasi nest]

Current version needs a bunch of fixes

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

It no longer jolly 🎅

[inner wasp]

Sad SAD

Bozoros is OVER

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-is-over-mr-boss-glem-allan-red-smiling-friends-gif-15959764549771378895

[visual obsidian]

NEVER

NEVER OVER

[high moat]

do I spot itolib 0.9.0

[bleak remnant]

oxyde will STAY on its halloween looks forever

[mild kernel]

adds the Paco Scarab that flies at the player

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1204432295025578014/1476012604152348803/pacogif.gif

[unreal jackal]

config to randomize default, christmas, and halloween themes?

[tall halo]

My stupid fat chud son won't go through the tunnel

[quasi nest]

Shall be fixed next update

I could probably have it transport enemies to the end lmao

[tall halo]

Also quick question about the tv in tykezone. The tv says no signal, do I need to do some sort of puzzle to get it to work? Or is it just disabled?

[quasi nest]

Oh it's specifically if you have TVLoader while there's already a TV at the ship

TVLoader can only play to one screen at a time iirc, I forget if there was a specific reason I couldn't get it to work though lol

But if there's no TV at the ship, it'll work

I think putting it in storage might work?

Dunno

[tall halo]

Oh alright. I wonder what would happen if I put the tv in storage then took it out after the map loaded.

[quasi nest]

Yeah not sure lol

[tall halo]

That's something to try later then lol. Anyway, thanks for info on the mythical no signal tv

[sweet prawn]

How dare you call him that, I'm calling NASA

[hearty granite]

what are they going to do? launch him into space?

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-gif-2344071593813059019

[sweet prawn]

Blast will get blasted off and the child will be rehomed in a controlled facility.

The controlled facility:

[tall halo]

He's stupid, fat, a chud and my son. These are factual statements that any true scientific organization would agree with.

[inner wasp]

We share a son??

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-makesweet-maneater-lethal-company-maneater-my-beloved-son-gif-2253352317482526113

[tall halo]

[peak jacinth]

i think the lod culling distance is a bit low for the balloons in the main entrance tile (they noticeably pop out of existence)

[quasi nest]

Ye I forgot to replace them with the balloons on Bozoros and I deleted their lower poly LODs

PlayZone just not yet updated

[peak jacinth]

ah i see

[quasi nest]

Current PlayZone release do need a few fixes

[peak jacinth]

i also got the weird animation bug (zoomed out terminal/elevated cruiser seat) after playing playzone but that bug seems to be completely random

[quasi nest]

Oh hmm that should be fixed, weird

It's on my library's end

It's due to a trigger not being reset in the player Animator but I forget what the issue was exactly

[peak jacinth]

is there a way to force reset it after the day ends, because it requires a reset to fix rn

[quasi nest]

It's supposed to reset when unsitting

[peak jacinth]

and combined with the seat boost from cruiser improved the bug makes you unable to turn on the car xd

[peak jacinth]

that is odd idk why it happens then

[quasi nest]

Ye I can look more into it

[quasi nest]

(Here specifically: https://github.com/pacoito123/LC_itolib/blob/main/itolib/Behaviours/Kinematics/PlayerSeater.cs#L358)

o

I did not link the line number

[peak jacinth]

i have a recording of the session i will look for any clues of what i did on the day it started happening

[quasi nest]

I mean it'd be when interacting with slides

[peak jacinth]

because day 1 playzone it was fine then day 2 playzone it started happening after we were done looting

[peak jacinth]

just checked i did not go on a slide on day 1 so yeah it is probably that

[quasi nest]

Ye I can look more into that