LethalMatt Moons & Interiors - Outpost 31, Bozoros, Circus, PlayZone

[nocturne charm]

kind of

[strange beacon]

youre punished for not trying to think about what rooms matter the most for loot

especially in grand armory

[nocturne charm]

don't expect any releases, but we'll see 😄

[strange beacon]

where 90% of tiles dont spawn loot

[burnt cedar]

simply being active on the discord is nice, your advice is always helpful

[nocturne charm]

    internal static Bounds GetMaxBounds(GameObject g)
    {
        var renderers = g.GetComponentsInChildren<MeshRenderer>();
        if (renderers.Length == 0) return new Bounds(g.transform.position, Vector3.zero);
        Bounds b = renderers[0].bounds;
        foreach (Renderer r in renderers)
            b.Encapsulate(r.bounds);
        return b;
    }

This little helper function can get max bounds of stuff ezpz

[quasi nest]

I do also steal scrap from other places to put in certain areas

Might be affecting scrap distribution a bit

[nocturne charm]

little cursed but you guys aren't given many tools to play around with this so fair

[bleak remnant]

oh can tiles only be cuboids? i know these type of bounds arent super accurate to non cuboid shapes sometimes

[nocturne charm]

tiles have to be 90o angles overall yeah, because dungen uses AABB bounds testing for generation

diagnal tiles have to design themselves to be a cube overall, via buffer space and whatnot

[bleak remnant]

i played around a script a while back to get rid of navmesh in unplayable areas where it placed navmeshmodifiervolumes automatically inside stuff like rocks etc so navmesh doesnt generate inside them, but cuboid boundaries made it not be viable sadly

[bleak remnant]

icic

[quasi nest]

Yeahh I could have it spawn scrap but I didn't want it to influence the moon's scrap amounts

[nocturne charm]

not to one up you but some of my radar stuff does that very nicely

[quasi nest]

And I know DungeonGenerationPlus has a proper guaranteed scrap spawn node thingy, but I'm not using it as a dependency at the moment

I do make sure to check for Maneater though 💀

[bleak remnant]

It'd be nice to solve the issue of being able to have rocks on a moon without worrying about navmesh sample issues where im constantly worried that i'll sample navmesh that isnt accessible lol

[burnt cedar]

maneater spawns

gets teleported into bowling alley ditch and gets shoved into machine

new bowling ball unlocked

oh also if you cant kick soccerballs into the bowling pins to knock them over 0/10 interior /j

[quasi nest]

Also this 💀

[burnt cedar]

ah.

yeah that

thats not normal

"power management"

[nocturne charm]

eg. here you can see the massive facility room and the bottom nav verts are invalid because they are in the bounds of a navmeshmodifier and a gravity killtrigger

same with this 4x4 here which iirc actually can spawn items up there for some reason

[bleak remnant]

yeah weirdly items can spawn up there

[nocturne charm]

i have so much visualisation power 😄

[sleek plover]

Eat this funny mod men
Peak interior otherwise

Oh and forgot this for trampolines

Only bounce if spacebar is held, always bounce in direction of trampoline (Add/subtract velocity instead of overriding, so player control is maintained)
Though you'd have to slide off the trampolines in that one tile for it to be a challenge

The "lower half is player direction, upper half bounces to other side" is weird and unintuitive, no like

[old bobcat]

there are two apparatuses, the lights fully turn off once you take both

[sleek plover]

I took one out and it didn't turn off any lights, only taking both turned most lights off

[granite imp]

I'm just excited to see progress

[late roost]

oh sweet jesus 💀

[late roost]

that is indeed intentional, pulling one only dims the lights

[sleek plover]

I might be dumb then idk, didnt even notice any lighting changes

[late roost]

skill issue harhar

jk

[sleek plover]

But like, the basketball field was fully lit even with both removed

[late roost]

could probably change values to make dimmer

[sleek plover]

birthday area too I think

[late roost]

nah we have video proof they dim

just probably need to increase the value or make it a tinge warmer or something

[quasi nest]

Both removed?

Thonk

[sleek plover]

yeah

[late roost]

probably just missed that tile

[burnt cedar]

the final nitpicks are kinda invalid cus

[quasi nest]

I mean it's got the same prefab for the lights

[burnt cedar]

ya know

it was a playplace

it isnt anymore

also theres juice pouches and other liquids around

water doing magically appear

it comes from spills

and those signs are standard for playplaces

[late roost]

irl playgrounds sometimes have signs that say watch for when wet in case the janitors just cleaned em and they be wet

[sleek plover]

https://tenor.com/view/suspicious-cat-ayo-yo-ayoo-gif-14708032146858915875

[granite imp]

I feel changing the signs are meh

The others are okay

[sleek plover]

Yeah like I said, just me being nitpicky

[late roost]

uhhh @quasi nest sports court lights for some reason don't have the event listener so I'm on it

[granite imp]

There's... Two apparatuses?

[late roost]

apparati

[burnt cedar]

i like the whole "unending abyss" of the playplace

feels liminal

[sleek plover]

"no bare feet" is also diabolical

[burnt cedar]

but yeah it has some problems

like the whole things appearing in the distance on some moons

[granite imp]

I feel some areas need to have pillars or like

[burnt cedar]

adamance did that for me

[granite imp]

Something

Bro the fucking area is floating above the void

😭

[old bobcat]

also for the out of bounds, putting lights on the ceiling(?) above should be possible (make it a repeating material with an emissive texture) but pillars and catwalks and stuff would probably not be as i feel like they'd likely collide with the interior

[late roost]

we have our sky priority set to 100 so idk why sometimes something else is overriding it

i've noticed this i don't know a fix rn

[granite imp]

Is that star walker...

Woah ...

[old bobcat]

possible solution would have a giant black sphere constantly following the player around but it would depend on how big the interior generates

[granite imp]

[quasi nest]

They're in the prefab though

[late roost]

actually i'm wrong they have it i have no idea whats happening

[quasi nest]

Yeah must've not fired for you for some reason

I do have it networked

[sleek plover]

Spawn pillars based on main entract chunk. Dozens of "connection" nodes way up in the air, that spawn a super tall "room" if nothing collides below it

Very jerry rig way of doing it I know, but maybe

[granite imp]

I'm so excited to see the changes

[old bobcat]

this feels like an incredibly questionable way to do it

[sleek plover]

oh 100% lmao

[granite imp]

The mod made my jaw drop when I was checking it out today

[old bobcat]

the pillars generating would eat the size of the actual interior

[granite imp]

And the turret freaked me out

Perhaps a fog?

Near the bottom?

Show how bottomless it is

Or something

[sleek plover]

Does dungen have a way to separate certain tiles from that counter?

[old bobcat]

i don't think so

[sleek plover]

Lobotomize it then

[quasi nest]

I don't really follow what this means

[old bobcat]

500 doorways that spawn a pillar (technically a room)

[quasi nest]

Thonk

Yeah that wouldn't work

I mean for pillars I could have it raycast below tiles to determine if another tile's in its way

Or do you mean pillars like outside the dungeon and not in between tiles

[late roost]

he means like support tiles

[granite imp]

Like holding it up

Or something

[quasi nest]

Yeah raycast could work

[late roost]

which makes sense ig but also its still in a void which is how the game works so i don't think having them vs not having them makes much of a difference if you're trying to think about the architecture realistically

[granite imp]

That's the main reason

[quasi nest]

The playground areas are meant to feel a lot more liminal/fantasy-like, with the big rooms being more what there would actually be in such a facility

[sleek plover]

If interior playzone, then 1000 raycasts underground to summon pillars once level is fully loaded, and 5000 more raycasts for catwalks and pipes. It's GENIUS

[quasi nest]

[late roost]

lord give my computer strength

[sleek plover]

Definitely exaggerating the numbers lol

[bleak remnant]

raycasts are kinda made to used in sort of bulk/large numbers so it should be fine but please dont do that many

[late roost]

i... don't care enough about this to make it a thing

[sleek plover]

I cri

[late roost]

sorry Jacu

[sleek plover]

It's so joever

[late roost]

appreciate the feedback, some of it i am considering

i also appreciate the effort to compile it all into a recorded video with memes and captions and all that

adding more fun where we're satisfied with it, working on updates and such

but it's also been 6 months working on this prior and I don't wanna burn out again

[sleek plover]

Oh and if you need help making it less quiet, hmu

[late roost]

i'm actually in the middle of that rn

the immersive sounds update

[sleek plover]

Ye that's why I mentioned

Gonna clock out for now though. Eyes burn, ears are probably next

[quasi nest]

I know no concept of burnout

[late roost]

i'm just fragile

[granite imp]

Do sounds first

[nocturne charm]

How are you doingng sky

[quasi nest]

It is questionable, actually

Comically large collider for a local volume

Forgor to switch to a global thing lmao

I can just have it turn on when I kill the sun 🌞

[sleek plover]

Static electricity shock, small chance to deal 2 damage when moving through pipe tiles

[late roost]

uhh I think if its global it will affect the outside too?

[quasi nest]

Apollo doth tremble

[late roost]

i think that's why we did the same thing we did for the ceiling

[sleek plover]

Oh ye ceiling is uber jittery btw

[late roost]

jittery how

[quasi nest]

Not if it's off until entering facility

[nocturne charm]

Also re: that pillar idea, are all your tiles a consistent height multiple?

[quasi nest]

Ye

[late roost]

not lal

all

[quasi nest]

Oh I thought even the LaserZone was actually

Seemed to line up

[late roost]

the bigger tile rooms are dumb heights because i'm dumb they ain't on the grid

[sleek plover]

https://tenor.com/view/gubby-gubby-roblox-work-at-a-pizza-place-waapp-roblox-gif-3473453195252731658

[late roost]

i'm sorry i still don't really know what ur getting at

[bleak remnant]

what is burnout

[quasi nest]

Some kind of cooking method, done outside

[late roost]

it's the mind's way of preventing further bad decisions

[sleek plover]

It just rapidly moved around for me, like two overlapping textures or something

[quasi nest]

The comically large ceiling?

[sleek plover]

Ye

[late roost]

sounds like z fighting

[quasi nest]

Coulda been the texture too actually

[bleak remnant]

i got conflicting answers, gonna go back to working on my code for the next 10 hours and consider the answer later

[nocturne charm]

If they are mostly you can do the opposite of this for an easier time

Have each tile have endless pillar sections that instantiate unconditionally then bounds check per tile to remove them conditionally after the fact

If it’s something your interested in i can give tips in a day or two, its similar to the vertical holes i was doing for castle

[sleek plover]

It wasn't quite z fighting though. I think you just made it so obscenely large that it started getting precision errors

[nocturne charm]

It’s far easier to figure out what space is interior than figuring out what isnt

[bleak remnant]

just out of random curiousity, is there a thing that tells you all the transforms/objects inside a bounds? sort of like a FindAllObjectsInBounds?

[nocturne charm]

not really

[quasi nest]

OverlapBox/Sphere/Capsule would be closest

[bleak remnant]

oh true

[sleek plover]

Check for collision

[quasi nest]

It is what I do to hide meshes of items in the pizza boxes

[nocturne charm]

ideally you don’t wanna do that thi

AABB testing is way faster and not reliant on up to date physics

[sleek plover]

Still scannable btw

[quasi nest]

Yeah I exclude scan node

I've seen people grab items from the playhouse though

Those should not be grabbable until opening the door

[sleek plover]

Rip

[late roost]

i hope people like humming and buzzing

[sleek plover]

Catwalks could just be high up above the dungeon itself, but below the ceiling texture.
Pipes and small pillars could be extensions to large pillars

Since the catwalks will be far away you could get away with a 3 quad mesh per catwalk segment and some low res textures

[late roost]

i'm still struggling to figure out why the art direction should have Valve style catwalks in the distance

[sleek plover]

Idk lol. More interesting than literally nothing

[gilded marten]

Are those white lines on the skybox supposed to be there?

[late roost]

ye

its a warehouse background that I darkened

[gilded marten]

Ohhhh! Ok nice

[burnt cedar]

oh

i dont like that

i thought it was a bug

it just looks odd imo

doesnt look like a warehouse at all to me but i could be just wrong

id prefer total darkness idk what other peeps think

[gilded marten]

No I agree! I couldn't tell what it was at first either obviously 😮‍💨

[burnt cedar]

hmm

yeah that explains the “bug” i saw on adamance

its just

really compressed and odd looking

even when i zoom in on the image I cant tell its supposed to be a warehouse

[late roost]

i can change it to something more appropriate, i actually found something

[bleak remnant]

change it to paco's house

the interior was the devs we abused along the way

[late roost]

PlayZone v1.0.3 uploaded!

This update includes many new audio clips, expanded lore, some compatibility stuff, and a few general tweaks.

• Added a suite of new immersive audios
  • Air conditioner vents
  • Fluorescent light humming
  • Vending machines humming
  • Spinning hazards have ambient wooshing
  • Bowling alley pins more audible
• Added a light to the soda vending machine
• Added some spheres into the foam cube trampoline tile to make it a bit easier to get across.
• Adjusted triplanar values for dark ceiling tiles to line up with lights and a/c vents.
• Changed HDRI skybox image.
• Added compatibility with Blackout weather. (itolib 1.0.4+)
• Also added some compatibility with Gorgonzola and Legend Weathers!
• For real added cosmetics this time. (Forgor to put them in the last update.)
• Added a new lore map object that spawns with the Cold Pizza log.
• Cold Pizza now spawns in one dedicated spot and weight was changed from 3 to 9.

[burnt cedar]

peaknits

[strange beacon]

not to rush this

but i would love to see that aquarium interior concept you gave

i think youll knock it out of the park

[burnt cedar]

the upturned has a silly aquarium

maybe perhaps with some changes it could fit

[strange beacon]

what about the downshifted

[burnt cedar]

the sidewaysrotate

my favorite game

[subtle mural]

Hello, hope it’s ok to send a bug here!

My friends and I just played with PlayZone for awhile and found that anyone who isn't the host would be unable to move once interacting with something (trampolines, slides, the spinny thing) The only mods we had were TooManyEmotes, MoreCompany, and PlayZone

Also just wondering if there's a way to increase the chance to get this interior. Thanks lots, loving the interior despite the issue

[burnt cedar]

you can increase interior chance using the lethallevelloader config! Forgot to mention that

just go into your configs, click lethallevelloader, scroll until you find play zone

and then theres a couple boxes

you will see some auto listed weights for moons in there

higher number = higher chance

setting it to 300 makes it a pretty high chance

if you want it basically guaranteed put it to like 600+

i did that for adamance

[quasi nest]

Oh weird, do you happen to have a log file of one of the clients?

[subtle mural]

Could you tell me where to look for it? I might be able to find it tomorrow if it’s still there!

[subtle mural]

Thank you for the detailed explanation!

[quasi nest]

Can either grab it from here and paste it, or on your profile folder, inside the BepInEx folder there's the LogOutput.log file

[quasi nest]

But yeah I do disable movement when interacting with those things, it should be turned back on immediately after though

Guessing something errored out in the middle of that process, before reaching that point

[subtle mural]

Alright I’ll get back to you when I can, thank you very much!

[granite imp]

Open gale import local mod

[granite imp]

With this update does it fix the foam cube pit

[granite imp]

So true

[burnt cedar]

no it deletes system 32

[granite imp]

Oh this is the best update ever!

[visual badge]

it's a gif now enjoy

[burnt cedar]

it doesnt spin

0/10

[granite imp]

Bro not all gifs need to spin

😭

Smh!

[burnt cedar]

spin the burnt baby

spin him

[granite imp]

Charred babu

[visual badge]

yknow i just thought of a good idea for the cube pits

instead of just an instant death, what could happen instead is that the cube pits will deal 20 damage and you emerge back in the main ballpit at the entrance

[quasi nest]

This sounds like a positive if trying to get out

[bleak remnant]

That's the second suggestion I've seen someone wanting those ball pits to teleport you

I havent played this interior much but does that even make sense lol

[quasi nest]

I'm uploading trampoline rework + some Bozo stuff, but internet is being comically slow for some reason

It'll take a bit

PlayZone v1.0.4 uploaded!

• Made trampoline trajectories in the trampoline hallway (hopefully) a bit more intuitive, should be a bit easier to get across.
  • Still working on making the cubes less punishing, but this'll do for now...
• Did some ambient audio-related adjustments.
  • A config setting for each of the ambient sounds is planned, but not yet made.
• Added some lights to the trampoline hallway, though they're not guaranteed to show up.
• Added LCMaxSoundsFix as a dependency.
• Increased PlayZone spawn weights for a bunch of moons.

Bozoros v2.5.1 uploaded!

• Updated itolib version.

[burnt cedar]

cooking!!!

i commend your quick response to the criticism

even if some of it was a little too harsh

👍

[bleak remnant]

Oh also it might just be me but the force applied to the player going up is so quick to reach the peak it doesn't really feel like I'm jumping on trampolines or a bouncy house

[burnt cedar]

lethal company doesnt have very floaty gravity sadly

but i can see what ur saying

[late roost]

Cubes = death, no tp

Play at your own risk. 😈

[visual badge]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-dissapointed-meme-black-guy-spongebob-violin-gif-3103058475544609988

[quasi nest]

If these updates don't show up soon, leave my library on v0.1.3 or it'll break stuff

My internet's still comically slow

[late roost]

I was refreshing the page to see if the patch notes were up yet

Oh btw if you're not carrying any weight, you can just make it across the non-trampoline cube gap tile with a run jump

[quasi nest]

I'll just leave this running, can't guarantee it'll finish uploading

Don't update my library if it doesn't show up

[bleak remnant]

It's all scripts beanie, super possible and fairly trivial, especially if it's paco-eat-cheetos

[late roost]

Well itolib library update did go through onto Thunderstore so whenever his update to PZ is uploaded it should be fine to update

[random shard]

just get gud

[late roost]

itolib 1.0.4 breaks the trampolines because of playerlauncher changes, so use 1.0.3 for now until Paco says so

[keen jolt]

Looks like PlayZone was a success reception-wise with my group in yesterday's session

I snuck it into my pack last second and took them by complete surprise

[late roost]

awesome

[keen osprey]

alright so... I'm stuck on the slide

[burnt cedar]

fused

with the slide

suffer!!

[quasi nest]

zz

At least it seems to be uploading now

[quasi nest]

Wait I'm

Ultra dumb

Uploaded it on the wrong team 💀

[scarlet basin]

Wanted to report that play zone seems to have broke and players get stuck on the slide and ball pit D:

[quasi nest]

Yeah it's fixed in 1.0.4

[quasi nest]

I just couldn't upload it for some reason

[scarlet basin]

oh awesome 😄

yeah everyone was so excited and then instantly stuck xD

[severe dawn]

PlayZone exceeded already high expectations. Haven't played with the whole crew yet but my fiance (whose favorite moon is Bozoros) loves it too. The level of craftsmanship is insane, and I've barely scratched the surface so far

[granite imp]

I KNOW

[valid vigil]

i get this error when using the main entrance on bozoros with playzone as the interior

[06:20:51.8533275] [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
itolib.Behaviours.Effects.SunScreen.HideSun (System.ValueTuple2[T1,T2] pair) (at ./Behaviours/Effects/SunScreen.cs:95) LethalLevelLoader.ExtendedEvent1[T].Invoke (T param) (at ./General/EventPatches.cs:292)
LethalLevelLoader.EventPatches.EntranceTeleportTeleportPlayerServerRpc_Prefix (EntranceTeleport __instance, System.Int32 playerObj) (at ./General/EventPatches.cs:220)
(wrapper dynamic-method) EntranceTeleport.DMDEntranceTeleport::TeleportPlayerServerRpc(EntranceTeleport,int)
(wrapper dynamic-method) EntranceTeleport.DMDEntranceTeleport::TeleportPlayer(EntranceTeleport)
UnityEngine.Events.InvokableCall.Invoke () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0010)
UnityEngine.Events.UnityEvent`1[T0].Invoke (T0 arg0) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0049)
(wrapper dynamic-method) InteractTrigger.DMDInteractTrigger::Interact(InteractTrigger,UnityEngine.Transform)
GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.ClickHoldInteraction () (at <31f0351006d541aeb5ae92a12fc7161b>:IL_0125)
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::Update>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::Update>?103099186(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)
CodeRebirth.src.Patches.PlayerControllerBPatch.PlayerControllerB_Update (On.GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB+orig_Update orig, GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB self) (at ./src/Patches/PlayerControllerBPatch.cs:72)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::Update>?1351527596(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)

oh this might be important lol, i had this guy on my head when i entered and now he's just being weird and sitting on the floor

[night quest]

@quasi nest

[quasi nest]

Oh wha

I have failed to kill the sun 🌞

[valid vigil]

[quasi nest]

I have a null check there though wha

Thonk

[tranquil parcel]

i was getting this on other interiors

so i don't think it's a playzone thing?

[valid vigil]

yee it probably isnt

the error still shows up without it

[quasi nest]

Oh it's just in the stack trace for some reason?

[quasi nest]

That specific script is a PlayZone thing, so it shouldn't be showing up at all unless it generates

To kill the sun 🌞

[valid vigil]

i was talking about the tulip snake probably being unrelated lol

[quasi nest]

Oh lol

I can't get it to happen though

[valid vigil]

but yeah the error only shows up when playzone is chosen

[quasi nest]

If you have a modpack code I can take a look

[valid vigil]

sure, gimme a sec

[quasi nest]

All's I'm doing is turning off the sun's renderer, but I do have null checks in place

[valid vigil]

0197536d-fad3-a6c7-9e22-5eb732b7acd7

[quasi nest]

I cannot get this error to happen

I do see this one but it's probably unrelated

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: routine is null
Stack trace:
UnityEngine.MonoBehaviour.StopCoroutine (UnityEngine.Coroutine routine) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0009)
TurretAIPatch.BerserkFunction (Turret turret) (at <b861d947b4214fb8b8348e3691b22b6d>:IL_0272)
TurretAIPatch.PatchUpdate (Turret& __instance) (at <b861d947b4214fb8b8348e3691b22b6d>:IL_01E1)
(wrapper dynamic-method) Turret.DMD<Turret::Update>(Turret)

[valid vigil]

thats so strange

[subtle mural]

My friends and I are on right now, still having the stuck in place issue alongside when someone jumps in the ballpit theres a chance their stamina never returns, even after leaving the moon.

Here's the log file from the one who never got his stamina back, not sure if you need to close the game for it to generate a new log file? He hadn't updated the mod from yesterday but the same problem was happening then and now. Please let me know if there's anything else I can provide!

[quasi nest]

Yeah it's fixed on the latest PlayZone version

I meant to upload v1.0.4 right after uploading my library's update, but it just didn't

Internet trolled me

[subtle mural]

The rest of us are on v1.0.4 and they still got stuck in place, do you think it will fix now that we're all on the same version? I'm hosting with the latest version.

[quasi nest]

Yeah everyone should be on the same version

I did test on LAN that everything's good, if there's something still broken it's probably some incompatibility with a mod somewhere

I can take a look if that's the case

[valid vigil]

after restarting my game im not able to reproduce it. something mightve just broken during gameplay somehow and caused it lol

[quasi nest]

Yeah not sure

[quasi nest]

There's this error on every landing in the logs posted earlier actually Nevermind, it shows up when leaving moons, I don't think it's actually related

[06:19:23.9299391] [Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
WiderShipMod.Compatibility.CelestialTint.CelestialTintPatch.ShipPartsLoaderPatch (System.Collections.Generic.List`1[UnityEngine.GameObject]& ___spacePropsCopies, System.Collections.Generic.List`1[System.String]& ___propNames) (at <e68ee32149844426bc019adf29d661d7>:IL_0096)
(wrapper dynamic-method) ShipPartsLoader.DMD<ShipPartsLoader::ActivateSpaceProps>()
ShipPartsLoader.OnSceneUnloaded (UnityEngine.SceneManagement.Scene scene) (at <47dd945eda1048b39bb04be002766209>:IL_0089)
System.Runtime.CompilerServices.AsyncMethodBuilderCore+<>c.<ThrowAsync>b__7_0 (System.Object state) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0000)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext+WorkRequest.Invoke () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0002)
UnityEngine.UnitySynchronizationContext.Exec () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_005D)
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[night quest]

Honestly

[quasi nest]

I'm still not sure how it could be throwing there though, I do have null checks specifically for when it can't find the sun

[night quest]

Celestial Tint is so outdated I would just do away with it, that being said we really need a mod that readds the parts in orbit

we got Doorbelle but no mod outside of CT that does that

and having the parts enabled in orbit is nice, cus it fixes a lot of the weird places that allow you to void yourself

[valid vigil]

yeah ive been thinking about it, i just really like how planets look with CT, i like it alot more than empty space or those low poly planet models

[valid vigil]

i have no idea lol. my pack haunts me with issues that dont make sense

probably gonna have to remake it and do away with some stuff ig

[quasi nest]

Also you should disable Ogopogo on Bozo 💀

Warning spam haunts your pack

[night quest]

Murder Ogopogo

[valid vigil]

oh lmao, didnt know it was enabled there by default

[quasi nest]

It's the only moon I'm aware of that it does that in

I have exhausted all ideas; it is mystery

[quasi nest]

I could give it the Tulip Snake treatment, but it feels very unethical

[valid vigil]

ogopogo just hates clowns

[night quest]

pre-emptive firework goes off, or a huge lake explosion instead

[quasi nest]

[split prism]

So @late roost what are the chances for a chill zone at the company with some of the stuff from the interior?

[cedar spindle]

PlayZone has a rainbow staircase that kills you when stepped on

[quasi nest]

Oh wha

How?

Thonk

[cedar spindle]

I should really start recording clips

There was a staircase downwards and my homie just said"Yo bro I just died from air" so I went to check and nothing was there, cause of death:Unknown and when I stepped on that staircase I aslo instantly died

[quasi nest]

Huh

Maybe the moon's out of bounds kill thingy is a bit too high up lol

Like the kill floor if you fall out of the map

Or was it a vanilla moon

[cedar spindle]

Maybe, it was on a custom moon aswell

[quasi nest]

PlayZone does generate pretty vertically, so I think it was probably that

Hmm

I could lower moons' kill floor myself

[cedar spindle]

Maybe

Also could be nice if I could config the size of the interior if possible

[quasi nest]

You can do it through LLL's config

[cedar spindle]

oh

[quasi nest]

It's a bit wacky since there's a lot

But uhhh there's like a dungeon size multiplier

Also need to toggle the "Enable content configuration" thing for PlayZone

[cedar spindle]

Ok, ty for helping

[quasi nest]

Dungeon size will continue to be tweaked though, it does feel a bit too large

[cedar spindle]

Also I wanted to say that I really like the interior and I can't wait to get chased by a monster here

[quasi nest]

Trampolines + active Jester is pretty thrilling

[late roost]

Nothing quite beats the rush of getting away from a nutcracker in the playground

[scarlet basin]

Id say the mystery stairs kill spot should be further investigated by Digging. See if it can be reproduced. Always possible something else got the kill so it seemed like it was the magic stairs. Not saying this report isnt true just that its a very vague report that has no logs or video recording for it.

Did it happen to only you? Do you remember the moon? Where there others in your lobby? Very out there question, do you have chillax scrap, cause a player could have death noted you (this has happened to me on to many instances lol). Emergency Dice updated? Dice event could have been rolled. Ghost Girl?

Again not saying @cedar spindle didn't find a bug, just trying to fish for more details in case it was just bad timing from something legit killing.

[burnt cedar]

randomly dying in an interior is almost always a poorly placed moon death plane

someone probably put it too high

[scarlet basin]

Nah you want to know what's true hell! Being stuck in a dead end tube with a Locker enemy blocking my path and the spot next to the locker that I COULD GO has the spinning head bonker that kept putting me back into the dead end tube 😆

[scarlet basin]

Thats why part of my question was which moon too so hopefully that dev can just tweak it on their end to avoid future issues.

[burnt cedar]

yah.

[late roost]

I remember the earlier versions of Bozoros had the support beams of the rollercoaster going way underground and into the facility because I didn't realise how high up it went

[cedar spindle]

It happened on 303-Acheron, a moon found in SkelaahsWildMoons. My friend died about 30 seconds before I tried going to the staircase and dying as well and I can confidently tell you that it was not an enemy or map hazard

[scarlet basin]

Then to continue my story of the hellish locker enemy I managed to finally get out and a few minutes later I scanned like a dumb dumb in another dead end tube turned around and guess who's flying at me full speed into the tube perfectly! I now have ptsd inside those tubes 😆

[scarlet basin]

Alright perfect. Thanks for the info that is helpful. Sorry if it seemed like i was down playing your report. Just that bit of info is good.

@high moat maybe you can help shed light on this with the Moons kill zone. Maybe it can be tweaked on your end?

Skelaah has been very active lately with their moons and have been trying to do some cool things with them so maybe its just a oversight on their end.

[high moat]

Iirc Acheron doesn't have any kill triggers

Yeah I just checked, the only kill trigger on the entire map is the one that's under the item delivery rocket 😅

[scarlet basin]

@quasi nest what do you think? Now what if the stairs just happened to be under that dropship 😆

[burnt cedar]

the death trigger is a part of the dropship

its what crushes you when it lands

its probably very small and attached to the anim component

[bleak remnant]

the oblivious beanie:

[scarlet basin]

I know i wasnt being to serious about that. Just trying to see what pacoitos thoughts are after Skelaah checked their kill boundaries.

[burnt cedar]

sorry its kinda hard to tell sarcasm thru text

ive seen people make dumber claims before

dont blame me

although glitched certaintly isnt dumb

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/773951777069858838.gif?size=48

[uncut swift]

bouncy castle might get a little bit too bouncy with high ping (~160 in his case)

[late roost]

I was once kicked out of a flat earther discord for making dumber claims

[burnt cedar]

holy peak

i love it when gameplay mechanics are fps or ping tied

[late rivet]

genuine question, this ISNT intentional..? i swear it was lmao

i love the death contraption

[burnt cedar]

least bouncy bouncy castle on the goofy funland

[scarlet basin]

Nah I'll forgive ya this time, you get bullied by Xu and Rodrigo enough dont ya. Im starting a support group for people who have been tormented by them. You should join, Rodrigo PTSD is a real thing.

[late roost]

the latest itolib update is the cause of this

playerlauncher was reworked, also happened to bug the values in the bouncy castle

[uncut swift]

the omega bounce....

[valid vigil]

lmao i just assumed it was intentional

[late roost]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-ross-happy-accidents-gif-7215839

[granite imp]

For some odd reason Bozoros is so laggy

[burnt cedar]

add 5 billion flashing lights to bozoros to simulate an irl amusement park

[granite imp]

MY PCCCCCCCCCCCCC

[quasi nest]

Yeah this was not intentional 💀

I goofed and replaced the wrong value, therefore applying 1750 vertically instead of just 50 💀

[clear kettle]

thats awesome

[uncut swift]

res goes to eeby deeby to find a bug

[tranquil parcel]

"like, funhouse isn't that-" Ambient Music5 moment

[quasi nest]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2481034750?t=0h31m37s

I lost it at the comedic timing here 💀

lmao

[quasi nest]

I blame either Ogopogo or the new enemy

Ogopogo spams warnings on host, new enemy spams errors on clients

The latter is fixed in https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ButteryStancakes/ButteryFixes

[tranquil parcel]

ogopogo be normal challenge (impossible)

[granite imp]

oKAY SO

ITS ACTUALLY THE INTERIOR...

One person contantly keeps hearing static and heavily lagging

Its very weird.

Im not hearing or lagging that bad

he also says our voices are cutting in and out

[gilded marten]

Oh wait! This also happened on Wither with playzone once!

I thought it was an issue with Wither since it wasn’t updated for v70 but maybe not 👀

[granite imp]

I tested

it's just with playzone

[gilded marten]

Pacoito can’t catch a break 😭

[quasi nest]

I know what it might be actually

[granite imp]

Goated

Cause like

Idk it was pretty bad as of recently

[quasi nest]

Noticed frames felt a bit weird after the ambience sound stuff

Tweaked a couple settings and it feels smoother now

I'll have config settings to adjust volume/mute all the ambience stuff, just in case it's still affecting frames a bit

[granite imp]

Someone said they kept hearing static

[quasi nest]

Pure static ain't one of the sounds

But yeah that's wacky

[granite imp]

I know

[granite imp]

I think it's like so much ambience

Caused static???

It's strange

I was lagging too

[quasi nest]

Yeah I'm guessing it's just something due to it lagging a bit

[granite imp]

I have like an rtx something

And I was lagging

😭

46 FRAMES which

I mean it's not bad but like

Most interiors are a full 60

[quasi nest]

Yeah it'd be CPU being affected by the sounds

It should be better next update, I'm just doin a couple more things

[granite imp]

Sounds great. Hopefully your wifi doesn't lag out

[quasi nest]

Yeahh I'll double check it's stable before pushing update to library lol

[granite imp]

True

[bleak remnant]

preload your sounds too

[quasi nest]

Oh I thought that'd be more relevant for moons because of scene stuff

Should I just preload all/most sounds still?

[bleak remnant]

i preload all coderebirth sounds

mostly because theres this thing called FMOD

that has decided to target my mod

afaik FMOD doesnt exist in lethal

afaik FMOD isnt in my unity proejct

afaik I DONT package FMOD

into my stuff

and yet if i dont preload my sounds, FMOD stops them from playing

[quasi nest]

Thonk

Elaborate prank

Like the SoftMask stuff, clearly

[bleak remnant]

yeah

but also you're supposed to preload long sounds i think

otherwise they stutter

[quasi nest]

Oh huh

[bleak remnant]

thats what i was told way back anyway

[quasi nest]

Yeah I had a lotta stuff set to streaming 💀

<- (clueless)

I have read more into it

[bleak remnant]

lol i dont even mess with that stuff so i have no idea what it would do to have em set to streaming

but i really need to figure out how to get rid of FMOD

i dont wanna preload that many sounds

lol

[nocturne charm]

Processing audio is surprised non trivial in cpu demand so when the audio files in question are usually pretty tiny it’s better to preload them for the small cost in active ram consumption rather than risk that you ask for the audio processing at a time where the cpu is also busy with other stuff

[bleak remnant]

icic

[nocturne charm]

espicially when you consider the scale of the impact here

cuz like

loading the moon and interior can take up to multiple seconds to finish

processing audio can take up a decent amount of a frametime which during gameplay can be pretty noticable

but if you lump it onto that big load at the start of the level, whats the harm in adding at best another frame to that lumpsum of loading

[bleak remnant]

well i assumed it preloads the audio when the assetbundle is opened

which my worry is about buildup of that being more negative over time

but yeah unsure

[severe dawn]

I remember I changed the drop ship music on my moons and didn't check off the preload audio box, so the game would freeze for a whole second when you bought something. Took me forever to figure out why lol

[bleak remnant]

Dam

[bright lark]

what is the turret SUPPOSED to look like on this interior? I'm sure this is a me problem bc I use a random mod that turns the turret into a bird but this interior just makes it huge and sideways

is it reskinned at all?

[quasi nest]

Uhh yeah

[bright lark]

oh I see, wasn't sure if it was just the audio that was changed or not

[quasi nest]

It's a separate prefab but it does use the Turret script, so I guess it's being targeted

It's supposed to be this

[bright lark]

oh that's so cute

[quasi nest]

Shoots balls too

[bright lark]

it makes my turret so big that it clips through an entire floor which is really funny

[quasi nest]

Yeah there's some scale differences from vanilla turrets

Internally though, the turret itself is the same size

But it's not playing well with the replacing model lol

[quasi nest]

Also I can see a particularly vertical generation being able to get down there

Not exactly the moon's fault, Acheron does use the vanilla height for its out of bounds trigger

I must lower it myself

@high moat I was referring to the out of bounds kill trigger btw, Acheron's is at the expected vanilla height though so you don't need to change anything on your end

[high moat]

Still, this problem might occur on moons with higher interior multipliers

Acheron has 1,85x interior size multiplier so its on the larger side

[keen osprey]

Well bozo has 1.8x iirc

[quasi nest]

Not if I do this

[quasi nest]

I actually lowered Bozo's kill floor by 61 for some reason

Thonk

Might've been from Ogopogo debugging lmao

That's how out of ideas I've been 💀

[keen osprey]

Reminds me of that one time when infernis and office didn't worked right back then 😌😔

[keen osprey]

So ogo has been fixed there or...

[night quest]

No Ogo is very much broken on Bozoros

[quasi nest]

Disavow yourself of that notion

[keen osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-kirby-drop-falling-deep-gif-17081698

[peak jacinth]

Is the elevator in the new interior programmed to bring maneaters to main?

[snow dirge]

https://youtu.be/kSJ5c962z-A?si=wcHonBuZEzaz77IA

[visual badge]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-staring-cat-gif-20275090

[visual obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/nailed-it-randy-randy-feltface-gif-77532720711867747

[late roost]

Can't wait to see a clip when they find the broken version of the bouncy house...

[late roost]

oh i want to be clear that wasn't a passive aggressive or depressive thing

I genuinely am gonna laugh when they revisit the bouncy castle and get launched into the stars

[bleak remnant]

you're gaslighting yourself matt

there is no happiness

[late roost]

myths and legends of our time

happiness and prosperity

they shut down Muppet Vision 3D, whimsy is dead

[quasi nest]

They can roam up there (call and enter elevator), if the player they're targeting is on the top floor

[scenic pulsar]

I haven't installed Bozoros since I reset my modlist for v70 but judging by Mithzans vid on the new interior I'd say peak 2.0 is here.

Bozoros was peak 1.0

[late roost]

Thank you,

Bozoros and PlayZone are two different mods so if you're interested in checking the new one out make sure you get it from Thunderstore

[scarlet basin]

Will drop for you soon. Jesus christ i didnt know it was that bad lol

It claimed like 6 people xD

[visual badge]

yup.

it did.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255310300757102663/1381704664160010240/poorbaby-blank.gif

[quasi nest]

💀

It's about 35 times higher than it's supposed to be

Casually applying 1750 force on the Y axis 💀

[nocturne charm]

btw @quasi nest skimmed around pacolib and overall compliments to the chef, cool to see some good programming practices and setup

not that others aren't doing the same but modding can get a little wishy washy yknow 😄

[quasi nest]

Passed the Batby Inspection™, yippee

I really gotta get around to documenting/commenting stuff lol

[bleak remnant]

put that on the TODO

[quasi nest]

It is precisely when I'm going through my code writing what it's supposed to do that I realize I'm doing a cursed thing lmao

Often I just wake up with little to no recollection of a thing I added the night prior, and I just go

[nocturne charm]

real

i had couple tiny nitpicks/2 cents if you dont mind, purely just cause feel like you'd be interested in knowing

[quasi nest]

Yee no worries

[scenic pulsar]

Lmao the elevator must think they're a small child looking for the tykezone.

[nocturne charm]

just random yaps

-You directly use strings in animation related functions abit, ideally you wanna convert them to hashes and use those instead
-In your effects you cast to IPooledOjbect once or twice. From what I know casting is dirt cheap but in theory theres a gain to caching the cast on init
-I love to see implementations of INetworkSerializable used, more people should learn how that works
-In some places (eg. NetworkedHittable) you getcomponent the networkobject off the player for the rpc. you can use a NetworkBehaviourReference instead to pass the player in directly
-Not an improvement in anyway but i personally made a generic extension that trygets a networkbehaviour/object reference and whatever type i want in order to just do the tryget in 1 check instead of two. just nice to use
-In some places (eg. NetworkedSource & PrefabSpawner) you use ? on a Component ref. Don't ? check UnityObjects because it's not consistent. Unity has it's own destruction procedure where when an object is marked for destruction and/or is destructed but not yet cleared in memory, != works correctly because Unity overrides the operator but c# doesn't let you override ? so sometimes it will return true when it's "null" on Unity's end.
-Some of the event stuff looks abit odd but idk why.
-I love seeing usage of IDungeonCompleteReciever, Dungen has some really cool exposed things like that.
-DungeonReciever has an unsafe reference (transform.find("TVScript).TryGet)
-Not always preferable but in a couple places you conditionally early exit out of Update(). Worth considering if you can just conditionally enable/disable the component in order to avoid those calls altogether
-In ScrapSpawner & ScrapTeleporter you have a getcomponent in a while loop and that scares the shit out of me
-Just a heads up that iirc you don't need to ? UnityEvents before invoking, it's got that built in (so do LLL's ExtendedEvents :D)

thats most of it

also playercontroller is lowkey begging for an extension to return if it's local player

[bleak remnant]

also i think you can just initalise the unity event in the field like with lists so you shouldnt set them to null but just doing UnityEvent<thing> event = new(); is what i do

[scarlet basin]

@quasi nest Please Keep! 10/10 would bounce again

sorry its not fully trimmed down.

[nocturne charm]

unityevents don't even need to be initialized iirc

[bleak remnant]

for this, i think PlayerControllerB.isOwner actually does this exactly but i dont like using it cuz it looks confusing to me

[quasi nest]

How did I not know about NetworkBehaviourReference? 💀 lol

[bleak remnant]

lol

using System;
using GameNetcodeStuff;
using Unity.Netcode;

namespace CodeRebirth.src.Util;
public class PlayerControllerReference : INetworkSerializable
{
    private int _playerID;

    public void NetworkSerialize<T>(BufferSerializer<T> serializer) where T : IReaderWriter
    {
        serializer.SerializeValue(ref _playerID);
    }

    public static implicit operator PlayerControllerB(PlayerControllerReference reference) => StartOfRound.Instance.allPlayerScripts[reference._playerID];
    public static implicit operator PlayerControllerReference(PlayerControllerB player) => new()
    {
        _playerID = Array.IndexOf(StartOfRound.Instance.allPlayerScripts, player), // (int)player.playerClientId,
    };

    public override bool Equals(object? obj)
    {
        return obj is PlayerControllerReference other && other._playerID == _playerID;
    }

    public override int GetHashCode()
    {
        return _playerID;
    }
}
``` INetworkSerializable stuff is also pretty cool

[nocturne charm]

I wonder if anyone has used LLL's networkserializable stuff yet

[bleak remnant]

not me, i forgot you even had stuff like that tbh but i half blame lack of it not being documented somewhere (afaik anyway), what do you even have in there?

[nocturne charm]

fair

you can send selectablelevels, items and enemytypes through rpcs

[bleak remnant]

icci interesting

[quasi nest]

I'm still reading through this a bit btw, but thanks for the list

But uh by event stuff looking odd, do you mean the ScriptableEvent stuff, or the other components?

[nocturne charm]

Honestly dunno! Don’t read into that one too much tbh

[quasi nest]

Ah alright

[nocturne charm]

Most of these don’t really matter except for the ? Usage and the getcomponent in a while loop

[quasi nest]

I've been meaning to at least disable DelayedEvent and ToggleEvent on Start(), since they're supposed to start disabled, but I keep forgetting

[quasi nest]

Yeah I'll look into the more critical ones actually lol

[nocturne charm]

Also I forget how but re: the constant local player checking, NGO does have a slightly saucier way to send rpcs to a specific client, think it might be via the better [Rpc()] attributes? It’s another thing that doesn’t really matter but figured I’d mention

[quasi nest]

Ohh actually the ScrapSpawner/Teleporter thing is just to wait until objects are spawned for clients

I uhh

I think I copied that specific pattern from vanilla code lol

Yeah the gift box

[nocturne charm]

There’s absolutely a better way to do that 😛

[quasi nest]

Yeahh figured lol

I did just reuse the thing I had to spawn presents during snowy Bozo fireworks and modify them, but I didn't see if there was a better way to do it

[bleak remnant]

https://docs-multiplayer.unity3d.com/netcode/current/advanced-topics/message-system/rpc-params/ yeah you can send client specific rpc's and stuff afaik, the only person who i've seen use em is matty

[small walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-chopper-its-peak-peak-fiction-chopper-crying-gif-26935486

Just wanted to stop by and say love the playzone

[late roost]

Some point soon I should start making Jungle Jake's

Probably gonna take some time to make a lot of new foliage

[nocturne charm]

Oh one other random thought

It would be cool to see a couple bigger playground rooms

doesn't need new content necessarily but rn the dungeon goes between the 1x1/1x3/etc. connecting rooms and the big setpiece rooms

just a 2x2 or 2x3 or similar using those connecting room assets might help break up the pacing of the interior abit

like the boiler rooms or cement rooms in facility

[late roost]

we have some tiles generating called "composite" tiles, we only have two at the moment but we're gonna compose some more

basically just an assembled group of them to make a large chunk

and there are some 4x4 and 2x2 tiles in there

[sleek plover]

3x3x3 room with ball cannon :)

[late roost]

KIDS QUEST HAD ONE OF THOSE

I COULDN'T FIND REFERENCE OF IT

[quasi nest]

There was a larger trampoline room with rotating hazard in the middle planned too iirc lol

[late roost]

you put the balls in, push the button, and they shoot out the top it was the coolest thing

[quasi nest]

I thought it was on the Trello but I cannot locate it

[sleek plover]

Well, ball fountain, cannons are separate but operate on the same principle

I suck at blender still, but a ball fountain might be something I can make, if you want to add one

[late roost]

I have it in my pureref

I also want some more cube tiles

[quasi nest]

Oh I did figure out sinking without the player going all the way down (and through the floor)

[late roost]

@quasi nest We still doing the other hazards that I made?

[sleek plover]

Are you doing the "stamina drain but can still jump" thing?

[quasi nest]

Oh yeah probably

[quasi nest]

Also that

[nocturne charm]

like ig i feel like this space infront, around and under parts of the playground are pretty big parts of the "feeling" of being in a playground but are kinda underrepresented in playzone rn. the starting room ballpit gives that feeling abit tho, and the slide tile but thats still abit corridor-ie

[late roost]

Yeah I thought that was a neat idea for a few reasons, one is that if you've ever fallen in one of these cube pits irl, they are very hard to get out of. Jump spam feels appropriate for that

[quasi nest]

We do a little StartOfRound.playerSinkingCurve switcheroo when attached

(I just halved it)

[late roost]

I think having some "door" connectors without the actual door could be nice. Circular cutouts separating some tiles, making it feel more enclosed and sectional

[sleek plover]

Yeah this was my exact thinking when I suggested it, ontop of being a convenient solution to the gameplay jank

[nocturne charm]

If you guys perfect your tile bounds there's a lot of good opperunity for loopback rooms like that

[late roost]

Honestly for the longest time that's how I thought vanilla quicksand worked in the first place

[quasi nest]

I have a thing to disable blockers that happen to be close enough to each other, but didn't form a Doorway

It's quite rare for them to show up though lol

[sleek plover]

Nope, Just Death™️

[quasi nest]

Usually can see a little seam on the ground when one of those generates

[night quest]

Speaking of tile bounds I know DungeonGenerationPlus complained about some of the tile bounds today when we had PlayZone

Which was odd cus it's not a dependency for it

[quasi nest]

Oh wacky

[nocturne charm]

Doorways have to allign perfectly so if any of your tile bounds in x y or z is inconsistent it will “offset” the interiors grid based alignment for the rest of the generation

[night quest]

Yeah I noticed PlayZone was laggy on Bozo and DungeonGenerationPlus had done some griping

lol

[quasi nest]

Lag's due to a different thing, it'll be better next update

[night quest]

Hooray

Also the jump pad tile was way better

Ty

[late roost]

oh didn't know that was a thing we don't use dgplus

[quasi nest]

I broke the bouncy castle as a result of it 💀

[late roost]

I haven't played to see the new jump pad tile update

[night quest]

LMAO you need to keep that evil bouncy castle as a config option

it's so funny

[sleek plover]

I dont know how you would do it, but if there is a way to make the generation prioritize looping back in on itsef or prefer generating in close proximity to other tiles, this interior would benefit from it bigtime

[late roost]

we were gonna change it to use the weatherconditional script

[quasi nest]

It just kinda does occasionally by itself

[night quest]

Another thing is I feel like loot density is a bit odd

[quasi nest]

Looping paths are neat

[night quest]

I had a hard time finding scrap

[nocturne charm]

looping paths is incredibly hard to get consistently

[late roost]

honestly just need to build more composite tiles and make branches less long I think

[night quest]

100% I think I've seen a few devs attempt it and struggle with it ngl

[night quest]

I agree with this 🙂

[wary sun]

how big is jungle jakes gonna be compared to the other zones? loving the interior so far

[quasi nest]

Doorways do just be aligned to vertices, I don't actually know where a small difference could be to cause a tiny seam when the wall breaker thing activates

[nocturne charm]

its in the context of doorways but i mainly mean tile allignment, not doorway

[quasi nest]

Ah

[late roost]

I was stupid and built all the pieces on an arbitrary grid size and not the actual grid itself and I'll forever pay for that

[quasi nest]

For the tile bounds themselves I usually just add a BoxCollider on the tile and copy its properties lol

Helps that it's all square

I think the only ones I don't do that with are composite tiles (which I let generate automatically) and main entrance

[sleek plover]

I will say there is something about zones requiring you to walk through the play area obstacles that just... Does NOT feel right at all.

I wonder what it'd be like if the interior was more like mineshaft, with large hallways that either connect directly to zone rooms, or have an entryway into a play area web

[quasi nest]

Yeahh I'll probably end up removing cube pit tiles from the main path generation

[nocturne charm]

two examples of tiles being alligned vs. not alligned
(arrow is generation pathway, diamond is potential loopback connection)

[late roost]

do that and I will cut off your fingers be very sad

[quasi nest]

Or if they're there they'll be part of a composite one, so there'll likely be another path around it

[late roost]

this is something so baked into the very core idea of playzone that I can't just change it without having to redo most everything

[bleak remnant]

when making interior tiles, is the only thing that matters keeping a consistent tile scaling?

[nocturne charm]

a lot matters

that is a big one tho

[late roost]

helps big time, especially with ours since I wanted the pieces to be very modular and able to wrap around each other

[nocturne charm]

when i was messing with castle remake i referenced to them by the term "SubTiles".

you wanna keep your subtile size consistent between all tiles.

eg. in a 2x2 room you have 4 1x1 subtiles

[sleek plover]

I think you should give it a shot eventually. Nothing major, just flat texture rooms and re-organizing the connection nodes to see what it would feel like

[late roost]

I'm not going to do that, sorry.

[quasi nest]

We did play around with a different archetype (all tube tiles), but it was pretty suboptimal for gameplay (and kept generating a bit weird)

I do like the current one's mix of maze tiles and tubes

[bleak remnant]

ic, so i should definitely define the size of the smallest possible room/tile before i really work on any tiles, and any bigger tiles need to be able to also be made up of a combination of the smallest tiles?

[late roost]

It's not at all what I wanted to go for with this interior. If anything I'd rather have it be more like what Grand Armory does where the whole thing is one horizontal plane and has a big height within, but the limitation there is that wesley constructed GA as like really big tiles and I have too many playground pieces that need to connect to each other that it can't work that way with dungen

otherwise the tile archetypes would be in larger more warehousey tiles with the smaller playground tiles inside, which was the original vision. but dungen was limited so I settled on having the playground tiles generate between and opting for a warehouse skybox and hiding the moon above

and I'm pretty happy with the way it turned out so

[quasi nest]

I do now know it's pretty easy to get how large a dungeon generates, Dungeon does just contain that information

Could do an enclosed thing instead of skybox

[nocturne charm]

Dunno if this image helps at all but here's an example of Castle's large room which is problematic. My remade one is the one in the middle

the original one has an inconsistent subtile size where it has a little extra space on both axis. This is problematic because as per my previous diagram the tile connecting to these will snap onto the edge of this leftover partial subtitle, offsetting the generation from that point

[late roost]

i'm still leaning away from it though

[nocturne charm]

oh wait doing this reminded me of another massive rule

[late roost]

One of my favorite moment when testing this interior was when one of my friends watched me die from across 20 tiles of empty space between us, so far away he couldn't tell what killed me or who died, but he def witnessed a murder and was scared lol

it was very funny, you had to be there

[bleak remnant]

yeah i think i do get it, it's just a bit hard but im trying to sort of turn it into a mathematical formula of sorts in my head so i can apply it when i need to (which will happen sometimes soon-ish)

[nocturne charm]

The iconic spiral staircase room in Castle is subtile consistent, can anyone spot the problem here though?

[quasi nest]

Pranked by doorway

[late roost]

doorway is off center, if you connected another stairway going the other way it immediately throws off the entire grid

[nocturne charm]

🔔🔔🔔🔔

yessir

[bleak remnant]

ohhh yeah okay, where would you put that doorway? in the bottom middle?

[late roost]

I had to model our spiral slide on the stupid arbitrary grid I made

Then paco plugged it in and it still threw off the whole grid because I got the height wrong lmao, had to revisit it

[sleek plover]

Also you wouldn't have to redo everything. Unless i'm critically misunderstanding how dungen works...
Can you define what rooms can and cannot connect to other types of rooms?

[late roost]

you can

[quasi nest]

You can set tags to either prevent two tagged tiles from connecting with one another, or to only allow tagged tiles to connect

[sleek plover]

Then my idea should work, I think

[nocturne charm]

You have to ensure your doorways are subtile alligned, so iirc you could re-design the tile to fit one of these 3 solutions

This espicially matters when you consider tiles can be rotated too which can increase the amount these inconsistencies offset the generation

[quasi nest]

Fixing this little offset made generation substantially more condensed lol

[late roost]

Not saying it wouldn't work, just saying it's not really the flow I wanted

[bleak remnant]

right that makes a lot of sense, thanks

[late roost]

dude this drove me nuts trying to find it because I was viewing a bad angle in the viewport

[bleak remnant]

sooo what am i looking at here to see the problem

[late roost]

the floor height was misaligned

[quasi nest]

Ye one's marginally lower

[bleak remnant]

oohh

[quasi nest]

Doorway's placed on the center vertices, so they did just end up shifting everything lol

[nocturne charm]

also remember the point here is to keep subtile size consistent, whatever you actually do in these subtiles doesnt matter. eg. these two subtiles are completely unused for this tile and this staircase inside the tile goes through two subtiles

[late roost]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-picmix-simple-geometry-archer-hanzo-gif-9977029383138365330

[nocturne charm]

fuck man i really hate that none of the stuff i cooked for castle remake is out rn

i have some really handy tooling in here

[sleek plover]

Im thinking some shit like this?

purple - elevator
blue - ballpit
red - play areas
green - playzones
cyan - chairs and tables n shit idk

[quasi nest]

Three main paths

[bleak remnant]

oh that image reminds me that archetypes also exist, which seem to be the interior generating a long branch like its a main branch?

[nocturne charm]

sub dungeons

[quasi nest]

I can only do two main paths without adding DungeonGenerationPlus as dependency

[nocturne charm]

eg. mineshaft normal and mineshaft caves

[quasi nest]

And that's by pretending that placing main in the center means there's two main paths

[nocturne charm]

like this little debug tool to visualise the ideal wall, floor and ceiling placement based on tile bounds and intended wall thickness is really neat

[sleek plover]

No... This would be two paths. Main hallway and playzones, and the small play area web

[late roost]

@nocturne charm circling back to your initial critique of the playground tiles, I agree that some bigger centralized tiles are in order. Tiles that are surrounded by the complex maze.

[nocturne charm]

yeahh

[bleak remnant]

that does look really good, i might have to bother you to release all that stuff on github at some point lol

[nocturne charm]

i think i made it public somewhere

[quasi nest]

Yeah I remember taking a look at some of it

ExtendedTile's neat

[late roost]

Sports court and ball pit areas have a bit of this idea

[nocturne charm]

i think maybe even faking some generation by having a 3x2x3 room but some 1x1x1's inside of that space to feel like organic connections?

[bleak remnant]

oh alright

[quasi nest]

I have 1x1/2x1 tiles as connectors for the composite tiles lol

Stair only exists if the doorway generates a path

[nocturne charm]

oo

[quasi nest]

It's a bit more interesting with these

[late roost]

we've also got a slide that is currently unused we can add

[quasi nest]

Tube path changes a bit depending on doorway

I've been meaning to expand on that concept more but it's a bit convoluted lol

[late roost]

I totally get what you're saying. When I first started working on this Nikki was concepting out a similar interior that had more of that backrooms feel where the rooms were more grounded.

[sleek plover]

I feel it would have been the more coherent option, but what we have isn't terrible by any means

[late roost]

since I have it open, here are some references I had for the laserzone, you can see where the influences came from

I love the one with the old-bird looking mech and the shark

[sleek plover]

Yeah, the tiles themselves are peak design wise. The generation being so incoherent from a logical standpoint just ruins it a bit for me

[late roost]

some for the JumpZone

[sleek plover]

huh

When i was in there I was like "theres no way a curved trampoline works" but there it is lmao

[late roost]

TykeZone

The bean bags are personal.

(Football was mine)

I showed my brother and he was just like "Dude, how the fuck does your brain even work."

[nocturne charm]

a tile like this-ish would be cool

[quasi nest]

Oh that reminds me I gotta deal with the two players entering bean bag at the same time softlock 💀

[late roost]

ooo I love that

[quasi nest]

Vanilla Cruiser seat bug

I can just switch to the thing I use for slides lol

[late roost]

yeah I wanna incorporate rock walls into more places, ClimbZone is planned..

[nocturne charm]

like just stuff some of those 1x1 tiles inside a bigger tile so we can walk around them and stuff

[sleek plover]

Oh yeah absolutely, this kind of breaks in the tile generation would work great

[nocturne charm]

doesnt break

those 1x1's aren't generated

they'd be placed in the bigger tile

fake 😄

[late roost]

PartyZone

[sleek plover]

thats... thats just a chair

[late roost]

yeah but that specific chair had to be in it

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-react-discord-react-chair-gif-4710333064217431909

[late roost]

nobody has reported finding the new object in PartyZone yet

One thing I realized researching all this was just how dangerous this all was

And why these places are becoming fewer and fewer

[quasi nest]

These trampolines are 100% safe, historically there's never been any kind of injury in such a place

Clearly

[bleak remnant]

i broke my leg in a trampoline park in the UK years ago lol

i dont think we call em trampoline park, but close enough

[late roost]

Never broke a bone

Somehow

I used to jump off swings

[quasi nest]

Me neither actually

[bleak remnant]

i've broken a bone on every important part of my body lol, probably 10+ bones

im very prone to clumsy accidents

[quasi nest]

Damn

[late roost]

Only time I got close I tore my knee ligament day before college graduation by jumping off a Lime scooter

Was crossing a street, car made illegal left, I bailed so I wouldn't become a pancake and heard the cracking sound as soon as my legs hit the pavement, I was going pretty fast

This was right around I got hired for my job too so I had to take the first month or so working from home until I could walk again

Didn't get to walk for graduation, was wheeled in a wheelchair

[bleak remnant]

dam yeah that sucks, most of my more fatal ones were when i was a kid so nothing important going on for me back then, for my leg i just rolled down a street on a hill with my knee, kinda chipped through my bone a bit but eh i was young so its like it never even happened

[late roost]

Ouch

[bleak remnant]

iirc i was living on adrenaline so i didnt even know it was bleeding until it was pointed out to me

[late roost]

"your leg is backwards"

"Nah ur lying. Oh.. wait. Yeah it is"

[bleak remnant]

now imagine if they put my thumb back on backwards, i wouldnt be able to give a good thumbs up 😔

[late roost]

Would have been a cool thing to show off harhar

I've got the best graduation pic of all time

My COVID era

Getting back on topic, a lot of these play places I also realize now really were super gross

COVID really was the nail in the coffin for a lot of them

Oh @nocturne charm my footsteps material suggestion really was a dum dum idea idk why you went ahead with it

You asked everyone what features we'd like to see and I couldn't think of anything and suggested the weirdest thing

For one, sound effects of any kind are difficult to find for free

[nocturne charm]

theres a good way to do it via mods

i just haven't yet

[late roost]

Yeah I'm just saying that I could have suggested something people actually were going to use more

[nocturne charm]

nahhh its good suggest 😛

[exotic pecan]

We need reskins of the Masked that look like creepy clowns or kids on Bozoros. It’d be funny/creepy for the playzone, ideally along with a different “haha” sound lol

[granite imp]

Is uh very long

[burnt cedar]

peaknits

[scenic pulsar]

Playzone seemed really fun from the one round i just had on it but uh...

If you end up without jumping stamina in the ball pit corridor you're permanently stuck.

The one corridor type with the two angled trampoline sides and the strip of ballpit down the middle is what Im referring to. I found this out the hard way in a solo game lol

It might apply to other pits idk

[quasi nest]

Oh wha

I have a thing specifically for that

To allow jumping without stamina

Thonk

[quasi nest]

I'll double check it's enabled for the trampoline hallways, but try and see if it happens at the entrance ball pit

That one should be working, and if it isn't it could be some mod incompatibility

[scenic pulsar]

Hm. Could be a mod conflict actually, if betterstamina is being weird somehow.

[quasi nest]

If you a send profile code I can take a look

[burnt cedar]

i thought that was intentional dude

lol

i woulda reported it sooner

[quasi nest]

Yeah it's supposed to be accounted for

[burnt cedar]

i have zero stamina impacting mods as far as im concerened when it happened to me

soo..

[scenic pulsar]

Sorry, I put lc away for the day but I might be able to send a code later. I realize now I should have included the code in the first place...

[quasi nest]

Oh no worries

Doing something at the moment anyway, but I'll see if I can reproduce it with just BetterStamina

Or uh, just in general

[scenic pulsar]

NVM I got the code now actually: 019761e1-b474-2807-01ef-16268aa5d5db

I will say the elevator is really cool looking and the laserzone is very aesthetic. I was testing something I'd seen in Mithzans video when I got permastuck.

That reminds me: ||what apparatus locks the elevator?|| There wasn't a noticable countdown happening when I took ||one of the laserzone apparatuses||, is there a different trigger?

[quasi nest]

||Gotta take both, there's two teams ||

[scenic pulsar]

Oh lol

[clear kettle]

my friends and i have also encountered not being able to jump out with no stamina. kinda figured it was just intentional though lmao

We dont have betterstamina though

[uncut swift]

yeah. poor guy died to a jester because we didn't have a teleporter lol

[nocturne charm]

heres what interior looks like with whatever last version of doscompany i made 😄

[quasi nest]

Oh I was expecting LaserZone to be pretty colored, but I assume it's got something to do with material emissiveness

[nocturne charm]

yeah clearly its not finding the right thing

[quasi nest]

Does look neat though

[nocturne charm]

curious why tho, ill have to take a look

i thought i did support emission

ah think i already found it lol

i think it prefers sampling the main texture if it exists then if it doesnt looking for emission

[quasi nest]

Oh there's no texture on it though

All neon color materials inherit from this one

Ohh wait

The only thing that changes is the base color, not emissive color

[nocturne charm]

ah

yeah it thinks it needs to care about the emission

not base

prob isnt a fan of this either

[quasi nest]

Oh true

Yeah not sure how you'd account for all the ways material properties can vary

[nocturne charm]

It’s not fun!

[quasi nest]

I assume even a different shader would cause issues with it

lol

[nocturne charm]

@quasi nest dont worry i fixed it

https://imgur.com/9M19UrC.gif

[quasi nest]

Wha 💀

Why's it playing the TV screen

lmao

[nocturne charm]

i have no idea

[quasi nest]

LOL

Oh wait I thought it was vending machine texture, it's still TV lmao

[nocturne charm]

oo

[bleak remnant]

that looks cool

feels like ultra kill lmao

[nocturne charm]

actually did not take long to get into a remi reasonable state

[keen osprey]

On lowest/shadeless
I like those vibes

[old bobcat]

the ball pit has been torn to shreds

[nocturne charm]

i dont wanna percieve particles 😔

[keen osprey]

It's now marshmallow pit

[quasi nest]

Particles are only there if you believe you're seeing them

[late roost]

The only particles there are the atoms and electrons

[quasi nest]

You forgot the Higgs bozon particle

[scenic pulsar]

The Higgs Bozoros particle?

[strange beacon]

the higgs bozon particle

[burnt cedar]

where the fuck does ultrakill look like this 😭

[bleak remnant]

bro played the game blindfolded

[burnt cedar]

dawg literally where is it a blank bright colored mess with no textures or lighting

what version of ultrakill are you playing

[bleak remnant]

i play the one where you're not trying to argue for the sake of arguing and seeing that im not saying its 1 to 1 ultrakill but has the same feel with the pixelation

but you do you

sorry, slightly irritable rn since i've been working on a visual effect for the last like 10 hours when i should've slept 10 hours ago

but if you dont get what i mean then idk what to tell you

[burnt cedar]

what

what is this supposed to

forget i said anything

[quasi nest]

It has been wiped from my memory

[quasi nest]

Nevermind I'm dummy, this should be !requireStamina

[scenic pulsar]

Oh lol

Thx for checking it out tho

[quasi nest]

Internet died while uploading Bozo update so it'll be a bit longer until that one shows up, but:

PlayZone v1.0.5 uploaded!

• Fixed ambient prop sound effects having a pretty noticeable performance impact.
  • Adjusted load type settings and enabled preloading for all sound effects.
  • Removed most OccludeAudio instances, though I'm not sure how much they were actually affecting things.
• Added config settings to tweak the volume of ambient prop sounds.
• Made players no longer sink through the floor after having fallen prey to the cubes.
  • Still working on making cubes feel a bit more fair, but for now I've made the spheres to jump on slightly larger (though only in the short hallway tile).
• Added some more scrap spawn nodes to the LaserZone.
• Adjusted TykeZone door and window sound effects.
• Fixed a pretty visible seam in the Apparatus model, it's nice and smooth now!
• Fixed multiple players entering a seat at the same time causing them to softlock.
  • Reworked interactable seats to use PlayerSeater, like slides.
• Fixed not being able to jump out of the ball pit without stamina.
• Made the OutOfBoundsTrigger of any moon PlayZone generates in lower itself accordingly, in case it generates too vertically.
• Did a bit of refactoring to the project plugin.
• Trying out some pretty drastic (experimental) generation changes, to see if it feels a bit better to loot.
  • NOTE: If you adjusted PlayZone's dungeon size through LLL or another mod, make sure to change it accordingly (or set it back to defaults), since the overall dungeon size was lowered a fair bit.

Bozoros v2.5.2 uploaded!

• Fixed accidental bouncy castle space program; it was not meant to be used for space expeditions.
  • Comically bouncy castle may return soon, however...
• Did a bit of refactoring to the project plugin.
• Updated itolib version.
  • Includes a couple small performance tweaks for Bozo features!

[still plank]

hiii, currently me and my friends are loving playzone but sometimes people report hearing this super loud noice (VOLUME WARNING) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1196694422339981363/1383272075032006746/Untitled_ffvideo_-_Made_with_Clipchamp.mp4?ex=684e3002&is=684cde82&hm=21c64aaa4839977907c824ebc776e84af884a3c492473448689792efc9e74b89&

[quasi nest]

Wha

Uhhh

I'll double check all sound effects

Does it happen only on Bozo, or is it specific to PlayZone?

[quasi nest]

I didn't hear this at all during testing though, sorry about that

[still plank]

we've only played on bozo so far! no worries haha, just wanted to mention in bc it was more than one person who reported it

[visual badge]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sent-flying-cat-sent-flying-gif-3754963774673109749

[quasi nest]

Okay uhhhhhh

I have absolutely no idea how this happened

Seems to be the only one at least

Last time I touched this file was 7 months ago, huh

I guess my local copy of that file got corrupted for some reason?

[strange beacon]

ngl i expected this to be that one ambient noise that sounds like someone blowing into their microphone

[quasi nest]

Yeah same

[quasi nest]

Uploaded hotfix for this, let me know if you find anything else corrupted

I'll probably reclone the entire project though, this is really odd

[manic bluff]

jesus christ dude

Wii trauma

[still plank]

and heres a normal fun time (panicked and forgot how elevators work)

[quasi nest]

He was about to enter and take you up with him

Close call

[late roost]

Wait until you find and throw the mote...

[quasi nest]

They warned you about the wrist strap

[late roost]

Man I remember how wild the Wii hype was

[scenic pulsar]

I should play my wii again. It really was peak.

[keen osprey]

WTF? LMAOOO

[strange beacon]

god i love that i made the circus interior so rare on other moons

it makes me happy when it just shows up where it shouldnt

[bleak remnant]

@quasi nest holy seam

[quasi nest]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emoji-disintegrating-emoji-disappearing-meme-21st-century-gif-24891417

[keen osprey]

0,07% is wild

[quasi nest]

It's seamless on the PlayZone Apparati at least

[strange beacon]

LOL

[strange beacon]

theres rarer things in my mod pack

for example, due to how i set up espira, the chance you get the puppeteer from coderebirth to spawn first is 8.129420372327453e-5%

basically impossible

[keen osprey]

the fuck LMAO

[quasi nest]

So, 0%

[strange beacon]

yes!

[keen osprey]

it's not 0%
you can see the numbers mason

[bleak remnant]

keep in mind enemy spawn weights are integers, not floats, so below 0 on teh spawn weight is just 0

[quasi nest]

Unless that percentage is calculated from spawn weights

[strange beacon]

it was

[quasi nest]

[bleak remnant]

icic

[strange beacon]

Harbinger:9000,Crawler:3000,Masked:300,Lord Of The Manor:1

the funny

[bleak remnant]

lmao

[quick quail]

I've noticed that some mods that mess with hazard spawning or behavior don't work right when playzone is the interior, presumably because of the reskinned turrets & spike traps. Maybe a config option that reverts them to normal could solve it?

[night quest]

I mean generally mods shouldn't be overriding the way that works anyways

[ancient aurora]

I just discovered a Majora image projection in play zone ? tf is that sorcery ?? it's so coooool 🙌

[regal acorn]

oh?