Scarlet Devil Mansion v2.2（紅魔館）

[weak stag]

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(From rampa)

[tranquil frigate]

Ty for votes. One more poll.

This one I can actually address somewhat. I only ask since I personally felt at times that my map was too cramped but that's a me thing. I don't know if others feel the same or even noticed

[main flax]

i guess now that you mentioned it. it is a bit cramped, but i always thought that was just a unique trait of the interior.

[austere charm]

It’s about the same as, in terms of how cramped it is, as vanilla factory interior. It’s more cramped than Haunted Mansion and less cramped than Mineshaft, in my opinion

[dawn bramble]

Parts of it feel claustrophobic, but there's a hefty balance of space all around

[tranquil frigate]

alright update pushed

just two rooms, some foyer pillars even higher up, the already made weather effects

and redid the mod's pages picture portfoilio

if something broke yell at me

ill be back when Zeekers does another update

[rare needle]

@tranquil frigate Just wanna inform you that SDM is very laggy after the new update, dunno if it's cus of the update for the interior or cus of the update for DungeonGenerationPlus but yeah

it feels very bad

x.x

[rare needle]

I fixed this

I had to regenerate the config for it

So you may wanna add a note about that

[tranquil frigate]

i couldnt imagine why that would cause an issue

looking at the code again, ya i dont get whats happening

[rare needle]

I would guess maybe the new tiles, but regenerating the config fixed it, before I did that we had really bad desyncs and lag in Multiplayer on Seichi whenever we had SDM

Unless it's just Multiplayer issues

I also will note I got lag from the scraps too when we had the issues

So something was weird

[tranquil frigate]

if it happens again let me know

that message is to anyone else

cause it dont make a lick of sense to me, but what do i know

[rare needle]

Multiplayer issues are an oddity

[rare needle]

@tranquil frigate I believe the culprit was LobbyImprovements, I've discovered it has a nasty compounding bug in larger packs atm and it seems to cause really bad performance issues, most noticeable with @lost arrow's Slaughterhouse interior, but I would imagine it was murdering SDM in Multi also

I've already informed 1A3 about it, luckily if people are reliant on the mod they can downgrade it back to 1.0.4 and be okay

[lone hamlet]

Maybe now Mesa will run better for you too lmao. It was probably mods like that causing issues with perf

But don't try the current version yet, there will be a huge update coming soon which also makes generation faster thanks to Lady Raph and Zaggy too

[timid surge]

I may be wrong, but I thought her main complaint was file size, which I don't think is likely to improve much if at all

I have one idea that might help, but we'll see

[lone hamlet]

and dungeon load times, but filesize too, but we haven't collectively targetted that since it doesn't really have major performance impacts versus other things

[weak stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-anime-girl-dancing-smiling-gif-15035422

[foggy path]

There appears to be a bug regarding the painting spawning enemies
It can't spawn anything from the following list (or each individually) ButlerBees,ShyGuyDef,MouthDog,Barber,ClaySurgeon,RollingGiant_EnemyType,Mario and will instead not spawn anything

[rare needle]

Try doing a Regen of your Scarlet Mansion config

I had a bunch of issues after the update til I did that, most prominent was bad lag

[foggy path]

other enemies such as Jester,CountryRoadCreature,Flowerman,Scary,Crawler will spawn in fine when part of the list but I can't get any of those to do the same

[foggy path]

the issue existed in previous versions as well unfortunately
can try redoing the config again

[rare needle]

It also could just be it's finicky with some enemies being registered as well since you're adding enemies it doesn't usually spawn

If some are working fine but not all you may have to be more specific with their names and stuff

[foggy path]

yeah that could be the issue, iirc the log did mention the list being empty
they should be the correct internal names afaik
regenned the config and it appears to be working now thanks for the help

[tranquil frigate]

my config be messed up, dont know how it cause this many issues

[livid sinew]

is it just me that has scarlet key spawn with no textures?

like it's fully invisible unless you scan it

[woeful dock]

Not just you, not sure why it's spawning outside of the mansion though

[tranquil frigate]

that one I have no idea to why. I'm guessing it's some mod combability issue

[tranquil frigate]

that one, no no no clue. Probs same thing some mod combability issue. My mod uses LLL's keys replacement system, so theoretically some other interior mod should have a similar issue where their custom keys spawn outside their moon/dungeon

[woeful dock]

Oh I think I figured out why
For some reason Remnants sees the key as a store item and adds a scrap version to the loot pools

[tranquil frigate]

Huh funny. Maybe it's an issue on my end on how I configured the key item

[rare needle]

I wanna admit I don't think I'm too fond of the current state of how the Vanilla generation works for this interior, I liked when it used to basically branch similar to the Vanilla Mansion but now I often find it generates too large in a way where you can get extremely lost

[tranquil frigate]

Do you think it's because

• the main path is too long
• or because the multi branch simulation favors branch paths that connect back to the main path, causing a very loopy dungeon
• or cause the entrance foyer room is bigger than before

[rare needle]

It might very much be the second tbh, the main entrance area changes are generally fine and I really love those, it's how deep it generates and how you can very much get lost going in a circle if you go too far into it in some cases for sure, I know I got lost earlier and looped around and ended up looking at a Shy Guy

It's still a fun interior but Vanilla generation just is very confusing a lot of the time, I have no idea if the default generation settings share this problem or not

[tranquil frigate]

As far as I know, and I would need other's experiences too, but the default dungeon is very very loopy and interconnected, but the main path is very short so you are never far from the entrance

[rare needle]

Yeah with Vanilla gen I know I can go pretty far in and then almost never find the way back to main lol

[tranquil frigate]

I can push a small patch so the vanilla gen by default doesn't have the loopy path preference

Also do you think the main path is too long? I can make it slightly shorter in the same patch

[rare needle]

The main path being long I believe is pretty rng, sometimes it feels long and sometimes it doesn't

So if you wanna make it a bit shorter you can I suppose

[lone hamlet]

I personally like it when main paths are long as it makes things interesting when playing with a lot of people

Otherwise I feel like things are too easy personally 😛

[orchid vessel]

Any reason why it makes the Seichi map greyscale when the interior is active?

[tranquil frigate]

Cause me and @torpid plank thought it would be cool

Literally no other reason

[orchid vessel]

could there be a config for it? one of my friends loves scarlet devil mansion but doesn't like the greyscale effect.

[tranquil frigate]

You would have to ask them, the compatibility patch is from their end

[orchid vessel]

ohh alright

[tranquil frigate]

Well I suppose I did write the code

[torpid plank]

[orchid vessel]

hello s1ck :3

could a config pretty please be considered

[tranquil frigate]

Uhh I don't know how configs work for separate .dll files
@dim basin @charred nymph .
Hey question, can separate .dll mods work on the same config?

[torpid plank]

yeah I'll do a couple of config stuff in the future and also tweak the greyscale a bit more later as well

[orchid vessel]

alright sounds good

hopefully we can finally disable it entirely x3

[charred nymph]

BepinEx provides you with a config that uses your GUID but there's nothing stopping you from reading and writing to a shared config under a name you agree on using the BepinEx.Config classes

[tranquil frigate]

Okay thx love you

[tranquil frigate]

Okay so we good

[charred nymph]

I guess nothing is stopping you from reading from a different mod's config file either

[tranquil frigate]

Good to know. I'll be disruptive with that info later

[charred nymph]

waah

[tranquil frigate]

[charred nymph]

I'm pretty sure we had a mod that would open the bepinex core config and switch something in there at one point and I had to yell at them not to change things without making the user super duper aware

[tranquil frigate]

Lol even I wouldn't touch anything bepinex related

[orchid vessel]

took a peek at ur page, lovely to meet another game dev :3

[tranquil frigate]

Truly making a difference in the world, one funny Touhou game at a time

[orchid vessel]

I'll defs try them out at some point x3

I love making things in Unity

[dim basin]

You basically shouldn't need to, and if you think you need to, you're probably wrong 😄
(To edit another mod's configuration, that is..)
[although, what Robyn said.]

(If you wrote both mods, meh, go for it.)

[tranquil frigate]

I wrote the compatibility patch for another mod (not mine) to use. So either I write my config using the GUID for the mod I'm targeting, or the mod I'm targeting could create the config for me and I just reference the value.

Well I'll shall see what I really do later

[dim basin]

Mmm.... that's a funky situation for sure.

I'd generally say you should only modify your own configs, as, the user's experience once your mod is disabled/uninstalled should not be modified.

As per what to call the config, in general, I prefer (as do MSDN guides) FDQN-based GUIDs
For a compat patch, that'd be something like com.github.myname.mymod-compatmodname.cfg or w/e

Filenames can be 255 characters on Windows, longer on all other systems, and more information > less information.

[tranquil frigate]

So what I'm hearing is that generally I shouldn't be editing someone's else config even if I'm giving them the compatibility patch

So

[dim basin]

^ Yeah, you should do that in your own config if possible/

If you absolutely have to modify the other mod's config for some reason, explain it to the user in the README in a place they can't miss

so that when they uninstall and something is different, they at least know why, etc.

[tranquil frigate]

@torpid plank hey you, give me a config entry for disabling the grayscale compatibility patch

[dim basin]

Sounds like that should be its own feature/mod 😄

[torpid plank]

[dim basin]

People do like to bundle 492102 features in one mod lol

[tranquil frigate]

You mean like that compatibility patch should be a separate mod?

[dim basin]

Mmm, I'm confused, I thought you wrote a mod w/ a compat patch.

[orchid vessel]

an entire mod to turn off greyscale?

[dim basin]

But the greyscale compat is part of s1ckboy's mod?

[dim basin]

Honestly yeah. There's not an overhead (in this game, or most BepInEx games for that matter) to have more mods versus less mods.

[tranquil frigate]

Yes, it's a separate .dll that I gave him

[torpid plank]

The compat patch basically greyscales my map (turns on a volume in my unity project that is disabled by default)

[tranquil frigate]

It comes with Seichi

[dim basin]

So having 1,000 mods with 100 line of code each === less stupid than 10 mod with 10,000 lines of code each.

Less stupid because there's no downside, and only upside (user gets to pick and choose what they want to use.)

In other games (Fallout for example) the engine has a hard-limit on the # of mods/plugins, so sure, there you HAVE TO bundle stuff.

• You can always modpack to show "hey, user, these are intended to be used together" etc

[tranquil frigate]

You could, but I know most people just want to download the mod and not even think about it.

[dim basin]

I've seen so many mods which are blatant forks of another mod with just one feature removed, because they were basically forced to do so.

[tranquil frigate]

So even if all my compatibility patches could be separate mods, I just include them all in the same mod

So they can't miss it

[dim basin]

I mean, fair. There are definitely different kinds of users. I'd say the ones who want custom experiences are the modpack creators more often than average user.

[dim basin]

Totally fair approach. At least for compat that's entirely fair.

[cerulean ether]

I think I'm in that situation actually

[dim basin]

For actual features, like items/mechanics, I say people should definitely separate them.

[cerulean ether]

GeneralImprovements dev seems to be MIA, hasn't responded to dms, they patch my mod as a soft dependency and they didn't account for my mod having soft dependencies, this all happens if a specific config option is set to true and its true by default so I was thinking the easiest method to fix this error (which is on their end not mine) was to disable that config option

[tranquil frigate]

Ahh you know what right, grayscaling Seichi when my interior is active isn't really much of a compatibility patch but just a extra feature type thing

Which means

@torpid plank that config entry now

[dim basin]

Mmm... that's an interesting predicament with your mod LadyRaphtalia. Idk where on that one tbh.

[dim basin]

GeneralImprovements broke so much shit lol. I keep telling people to stop using fixes mods 😄

Fixes mods, in general, break things more often than fix. + They never disable themselves when the thing is fixed in the main game.

So people are still using 9+ month old "fixes" mods for problems which don't even exist

[cerulean ether]

Lol, the current problem is that it does GetLoadableTypes which includes my soft dependencies obviously, and breaks the player in that specific action, which bleh

[dim basin]

Looking at you WeightFix (-1)

[tranquil frigate]

I've come to realize that fix mods are mostly bs (respectfully)

[dim basin]

😄 You COULD scream to the user "Hey, GeneralImprovements breaks things, uninstall that." In-game when you detect it installed.

"This mod is known to break mods, including my mod. Uninstall it." 😛

[cerulean ether]

Yeah definitely lol, there's like 2 that I know are good and okay, the rest are ehhh

[dim basin]

JetpackFix was necessary for a while, sure, as was SlimeFix, and BoomboxSyncFix,

but most things are just... working in the base game now lol.

[cerulean ether]

ill just leave a warning then since it's easiest and least intrusive

[torpid plank]

GreyscaleMoon

[dim basin]

WeightFix was necessary for like 4 days and I still find packs with people using it

and don't even get me started with LC_API........ people still have it in their packs somehow

Anywho, I'mma stop derailing Scarlet Devil Mansion lol.

[tranquil frigate]

I'm sorry. We spell it like "gray" around here

[torpid plank]

I spell it both ways cuz I learnt Bri'ish English in school and American English by a Swedish youtuber

[dim basin]

Græy ?

[torpid plank]

https://tenor.com/view/pewdiepie-pewdie-pie-felix-kjellburg-gif-3426903

[tranquil frigate]

^ if bepinex can accept that, than that's fine with me

[dim basin]

or Grəy?

take your pick, ash or shwa, lol.

[tranquil frigate]

I'm hardcore American, but I will always spell it like "armour"

Goddamm runescape

[dim basin]

Ahh yeah, correctly. Makes sense.

[cerulean ether]

The only bad British spelling is defence

[dim basin]

How about exercise? :/

[tranquil frigate]

With an s?

[cerulean ether]

Who spells it with a z?

[dim basin]

The wrong people, lol.

[tranquil frigate]

Well I would probably mess up on a spelling test too

[dim basin]

I love that it includes french in the "wrong" section

[torpid plank]

defenz (no e at the end either)

[dim basin]

Defence
Defense
Both are correct in en-US somehow. Dumb AF.

[tranquil frigate]

Cause I can't even tell you which one is even correct

Both look right

[cerulean ether]

Unfortunately the one with a c is british

[dim basin]

Well, the former is to remove a wall. 😄

de-fence -- I agree with British English for most things, but screw that one.

[cerulean ether]

Lol

[orchid vessel]

when did this become a spelling thread

[tranquil frigate]

I willed it

[torpid plank]

So are we going with GræySkæl?

[tranquil frigate]

Yes

[torpid plank]

👌

[orchid vessel]

Why can't it just be greyscale 😭

Why do we gotta confuse the players

[tranquil frigate]

Alright keep that phrase in the config description

[orchid vessel]

that's fine lol

[tranquil frigate]

But flip a coin and decide whether to use the objectively bad "gray" or the objectively good "grey"

[orchid vessel]

ah

[torpid plank]

Aight

[orchid vessel]

grayscale is american english

and greyscale is british english

[cerulean ether]

Which is why gray is bad

[tranquil frigate]

Wait

[cerulean ether]

And grey is good

[orchid vessel]

fair enough

americans stupid

[tranquil frigate]

I said British English was good?

[orchid vessel]

greyscale it is then

[cerulean ether]

Yes

[cerulean ether]

You did

[orchid vessel]

either way grey won lol

british english > american english

[torpid plank]

its confirmed now

[orchid vessel]

EXCEPT FOR CHIPS AND FRIES, BRITISH ARE WRONG FOR THAT

[cerulean ether]

You call them French fries when they're not even french

Sorry we live closer to the source and know something you dont

[orchid vessel]

I just say fries

but like, chips?

chips are the snacks in bags

[cerulean ether]

I say chips, cuz that's the only acceptable way

Crisps are the snacks in bags

[torpid plank]

crisps sound weird

pardon my french

[cerulean ether]

Your mom sounds weird

[tranquil frigate]

I won but at what cost. I unknownly defended Br*tish English

[orchid vessel]

it really does

[orchid vessel]

oi don't diss on the british

[dim basin]

British/Canadian/REST OF THE WORLD ENGLISH > American English

except yeah, crisps/chips.

[orchid vessel]

^^^

100% agree

though personally I grew up with "color" so don't hate me for that q.q

[dim basin]

Meh, I still have to use it because CSS etc

[tranquil frigate]

No. You can't believe them to be sane when they call televisions "telly"

[dim basin]

colour: #ff0000 doesn't parse lol

[orchid vessel]

fair enough

one day I'll learn css

I just c# and nothing more lol

Unity go brrr

[dim basin]

https://haxe.org

You can turn your C# into other languages 😄

[cerulean ether]

Unity also doesnt take colour

so that sucks

[orchid vessel]

hah

[cerulean ether]

especially when you dont get an error about it

like shader graph stuff

[dim basin]

ew yeah....

[orchid vessel]

shader graph is cursed

I hate touching it

[cerulean ether]

when u wanna get the hash or id of a property

[dim basin]

although you can get a vscode extension which highlights hsls/gsl well, so meh

[cerulean ether]

shader graph is pretty good, very beginner friendly

[orchid vessel]

I can't figure it out x3

[dim basin]

screw graph, use >language< -- always avoid no-code and low-code garbage

[orchid vessel]

I nearly destroyed an entire scene using shader graphs by a slight change

[cerulean ether]

yeah, most people jhust dont know about it so i've had to correct a few people on "yeah i can tell you're a good person, and british, but you need to do "Color" not "Colour" in your PropertyToID"

[dim basin]

bahahaa

[tranquil frigate]

Nuh uh. Shader graph based cause my frontal lobe can't understand shader math

[valid scaffold]

I tried not using weightfix last month and ran into the bug <.<

[orchid vessel]

and british
hilarious detail xd

[dim basin]

Which means one of your other mods was also trying to "fix" weights

because having two "weight fix" mods installed makes the bug happen again -_-

[valid scaffold]

I think it was just a scrap mod causing it or something

Wasn’t my modpack so I’m not sure

[cerulean ether]

idk what weight fix was trying to fix, but some people who make scrap just dont understand how LC's weight system works

which understandable, it's fucked up lol

[valid scaffold]

Good to hear it isn’t normally needed though

[cerulean ether]

1.2 is 22lbs, 0.5 is -50~ lbs or smthn

[valid scaffold]

If you wouldn’t mind taking a peek, do you know of any other mods in this list that have no impact during vanilla play?

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Alecksword/CompanyIssuedFixes/

[cerulean ether]

like if this mod does ANYTHING except making sure each Item SO has a minimum weight of 1, then i dont see the point of overcomplicating what it's doing

[dim basin]

PathfindingLagFix is only necessary if you have a mod which actively breaks pathfinding,
Such as SkullBreaker or BrutalCompany which spawn 1,000 fleas, etc.

[valid scaffold]

Ah I thought it was still possible to run into rare issues where a snare flea could get stuck somewhere

[dim basin]

ShaosilGaming-GeneralImprovements also USED to be great, but idk about recently.
I would say it entirely depends on what you've enable in its configuration. Generally it's not useful.

The rest in your list though, yeah, sadly, most of those are still useful, which... wow.

[valid scaffold]

Yeah I spend a lot of time making sure it’s good

[dim basin]

Mmm, yeah, if you are encountering the issue still, then sure. Basically my point is the following:
"See if you have the issue the 'fix' fixes. If not, why do you have the 'fix' in the first place?" etc

[valid scaffold]

Very strict in keeping the gameplay experience as 1:1 with vanilla as possible

[dim basin]

Heck yeah

[valid scaffold]

Even having stuff that gets rid of like lamp shadows for performance disabled and such

[valid scaffold]

GI I just have to save on a few spaces for things it fixes, most of it is disabled

I’ll probably keep PathfindingLagFix as the pack is mainly meant to be a no-nonsense “this just fixes as many of the games issues as possible,” but since it has no impact on vanilla gameplay, I’ll drop Lethal Weight Fix.

[torpid plank]

people still release scrapmods with LethalExpansion / LethalExpansionCore

[valid scaffold]

I appreciate you taking a peek for me! ^-^

[dim basin]

UGH

[valid scaffold]

When I see it pop up it catches me so off guard

[orchid vessel]

I miss my framerate x3

[valid scaffold]

@rare needle literally over doubled my framerate in her pack recently

[orchid vessel]

how so?

[valid scaffold]

Lots of changes, I’m not sure what the biggest were though (it’s why I did the @ haha)

[orchid vessel]

ah lol

[dense patio]

you learned English thru pewds too? 🥺

holy yap this chat has so many messages

[torpid plank]

Yup

@tranquil frigate btw maybe you can place a configurable weight on it too

[valid scaffold]

So excited for the configurable weight on learning English through PewDiePie

[torpid plank]

Lmao

[charred nymph]

I agree (disrespectfully)

Anyway, ya'll were talking about weight fix patch mods and I wanna bitch a little here: The "fix" mod was a transpiler to player.grabthing that checked if the grabbed thing had a weight that would cause the bug but like.. why???

It was so overcomplicated and a transpiler pegs it to a specific version of the grabthing method that will fail to patch if it changes... why not just patch all GrabableItem.Awake and check the item's weight there and fix it? That will always work basically forever without causing the player's inventory to break or grabs to be invalidated if the method changes

[tranquil frigate]

That's a surprisingly simple fix damn. Truly be spitting facts

[thick sage]

What fix mods are being used tf 😭

[rare needle]

I mean you made a mod that adds Motion Blur and adding more post processing doesn't help I'm sure 😆

[rare needle]

I mostly use GI nowadays for the extra monitors, a lot of it's fix stuff I have disabled

I get wym

Shaosil being completely MIA now also doesn't help

[orchid vessel]

Correction: I enabled the already existing motion blur that was already in the volume, and made it customizable. No other post processing was added or modified.

[rare needle]

Oh lol

[orchid vessel]

It also doesn't affect framerate at all, as i use it in my dev mod pack and it runs insanely smooth there

[rare needle]

Okay lol so it's a handful of other things

I could probably take a peek at your pack sometime or let you check mine for comparisons

[orchid vessel]

yeah

[rare needle]

I remember I discovered a handful of mods caused issues

[orchid vessel]

sure we can take a look together some point

would also be fun to play together sometime :3

[rare needle]

I'mma probably be removing some mods from my pack soon like fix mods I no longer need

[rare needle]

Ye I'll be playing tomorrow if you're free

lol

[orchid vessel]

okay sounds good!

[cerulean ether]

i dont know how many times i've said the exact same thing, hell i feel the api's should also be doing this, a weight below 1 would almost never constitute a non bug lol

[rare needle]

@fickle rain speaking of fix mods that might not be needed, is there anything MeleeFixes covers still on the current game version?

[fickle rain]

caches roundmanager (might be unnecessary if you use lethalperformance??)

and i fixed hit FX (knife blood spray, the shovel bounce) sometimes playing when an enemy doesnt actually take damage (like if you hit its hurtbox but not its hitbox)

[rare needle]

Yeah, does the bug with the cruiser soft lock still happen btw without WeedKillerFixes?

[fickle rain]

it also supposedly fixes shovels getting softlocked if someone dies swinging them but ive never replicated that bug

[rare needle]

I'm wondering if someone could make an alternative to GI for the monitor stuff

;c

[fickle rain]

no zeekerss fixed it himself but his fix broke weed killer so it no longer works on actual weeds

i forgot to update the description but you should still be using WKF

[rare needle]

Only if you use stuff like YesFox I guess

[fickle rain]

even without yesfox it fixes buggy behavior with refilling the car's engine

[rare needle]

Which we still need something to fix the fox killing performance from the cruiser related code

Ah got ya

[fickle rain]

that results in ton of wasted weed killer

in vanilla

[opal wigeon]

Ideally fix it before it’s instantiated

[tranquil frigate]

I mean, isn't that's why you fix it on Awake, it would catch 99.99% of cases

[fickle rain]

all 3 of these are still necessary

none of these have been fixed in basegame

btw

[opal wigeon]

No as in fix it on the prefab asset and/or scriptableobject before it’s even instantiated

Like in main menu or rm awake

[cerulean ether]

me when a guy decides to add his items after rm awake , but i imagine you can just Resources.FindObjectsOfTypeAll for the SO's

[fickle rain]

if im not mistaken weightfix is also still "necessary" if you are using items that are over 2.5 weight

since the problem is vanilla's add/subtract logic caps out at 10 weight (1050lbs) and will cause numerical issues if you ever surpass that

[cerulean ether]

it would be 3.5 then not 2.5 i believe

[fickle rain]

4 item slots * 2.5 = 10

[cerulean ether]

but yeah i had to lower anvils from the previous 100 to like 2 lol

[cerulean ether]

1 = 0 in this situation kinda

[tranquil frigate]

Or just patch Awake since you know it will always be called after the item is initiated but before it is actually used

[fickle rain]

oh yeah, you're right

[opal wigeon]

Those problems are easy to solve by just going “fuck that nerd”

[cerulean ether]

[rare needle]

Damon had a good point about GI though

[fickle rain]

i forgot weight defaults to 1 (which is exactly why negative weight speed issues were a problem before)

[opal wigeon]

or just patching the scriptableobjects awake

[rare needle]

Shaosil is inactive and it breaks more than it fixes

I literally only have it for the monitor stuff

😦

[fickle rain]

i don't disagree but in the case of GI it's because it added a bunch of subjective changes and gradually became a victim of feature creep

[rare needle]

Yeah

[cerulean ether]

yeah that's the main reason

[fickle rain]

most of the stuff it breaks is caused by new features (i.e. "improvements" and not "fixes")

[rare needle]

We need a mod that only adds the monitor stuff

[fickle rain]

most of the stuff general improvements "fixed" (like, bug fixes) is still not fixed in basegame

[woeful dock]

Aren't they pulled from an older mod or is it different from that?

[rare needle]

Yeah

It's a good mod it just contains so much bloat

[cerulean ether]

my only thing with GI rn is that it uses GetLoadableTypes on other assemblies with no consideration to soft dependencies

[fickle rain]

anyways sorry i guess im kinda derailing this thread but i feel like the discussion about fix mods was kinda misinformed and i wanted to clarify some things

[cerulean ether]

thats fine, i hear raph likes trains

[tranquil frigate]

it was derailed 300 messages ago

you good

[cerulean ether]

make it 301

damn

[thick sage]

I thought slime boombox taming was fixed in vanilla

Definitely not

[fickle rain]

it was not

zeekerss hasnt touched slime AI since launch, to my knowledge

[charred nymph]

I find it odd to say slime taming needs "fixed" because I don't consider features left on the cutting room floor broken

[fickle rain]

it's not a feature left on the cutting room floor

it's a feature that doesnt work because of a typo

that is mentioned in the game's bestiary entry

and does still work under specific non-intuitive circumstances

[tranquil frigate]

Zeekers never fails to impress me with his code

[fickle rain]

tbh it's a really simple mistake to make

[fickle rain]

and the circumstances i mentioned here are "it works if you hit the slime with a shovel/stun before using the boombox" which is probably what zeekerss did when he was testing all the AI's features

[tranquil frigate]

Simple mistake sure, but still exists after a whole year

[fickle rain]

probably because almost nobody is using boomboxes in the dungeons to tame slimes

and those that do are only doing it as a novelty because they know they have a mod to fix it

[thick sage]

I can imagine he doesn't care either

[fickle rain]

i don't think it's that crazy how the slime taming bug has persisted

there are definitely some other long-standing bugs that are more problematic though

[charred nymph]

How does it not work because of a typo?

[fickle rain]

if the slime's tamed timer is > 0 (set to 2 seconds every second it's near an active boombox) and the angered timer (set to 18 seconds when shoveled/stunned) is less than 0, the player collision function returns early without dealing damage

the intent is obviously "if the slime is being tamed by a boombox and isnt aggressive, don't damage the player"

but the problem is that angeredTimer initializes at exactly 0, and only decrements if it's greater than 0

so it sits at exactly 0 until the slime is attacked, and then it will eventually decrement to a very small negative number

at which point slime taming works

[fickle rain]

if angeredTimer <= 0f was the condition here slime taming would work as it was supposed to

single character change

[charred nymph]

That's way too confusing and is a perfect example of why we don't use a bunch of random variables and then compare them to determine the state of our monster we just use a state value or a simple FSM that knows what states are valid from what

[cerulean ether]

i think its fine

i usually let my timers go to the negative cuz resetting it isnt usually done by adding but by setting it

[charred nymph]

Here's an example of how I thought a SmallFryEnemy FSM would work but we never implemented it because its a bit hard to wrap your head around and its important that Risk understands how his own mod works, ehehe

https://github.com/RiskiVR/Lethal_SmallfryEnemy/blob/brain-test/Plugin/src/Brains/SmallfryBrain/SmallfryState_Attacking.cs

[cerulean ether]

also very completely unnecessary for an incredibly simplistic enemy lol

but yeah i think the main reference for this stuff comes from WTO

they did a pretty good job at FSM stuff for their enemy system

was gonna be implemented into exampleenemy at some point as sort of a more advanced version but laziness happened by the person who was gonna do it, and that just happens sometimes

[tranquil frigate]

okay but how do you rate my state machines
https://pastebin.com/Ch6L5hMT

[cerulean ether]

is concerning an option?

[tranquil frigate]

yes

[cerulean ether]

arent u missing a break;

[charred nymph]

Naur, that's a fall thru

[opal wigeon]

Maybe I'm minority but I feel like this is getting to the point where it could be handled with abit of Inheritance

is this dead by daylight

[tranquil frigate]

Hehehehe

It's the killer's state machine for my touhou dbd game

[tranquil frigate]

Though I'm confused to what you mean by that. Like how inheritance would help

[rare needle]

Honestly I just prefer whacking them then using the boombox to tame than installing an additional mod

[fickle rain]

well butteryfixes has a patch for it anyway

the standalone version on thunderstore uses a prefix instead of a transpiler which adds unnecessary computation (however minor it may be)

and i'd also rather not dedicate an entire mod slot to slime taming if it was avoidable

[opal wigeon]

Like I might prefer a more over engineered / boiler plately approach but I struggle to read through all the switching and if else chaining + at least for me it feels a little wild wild west in terms of what any of these states might be touching

i'd personally prefer something along the lines of a base class for character state with them getting overridable functions for when they are used. From there maybe try and centralise some of the actions they are doing into general functions too. eg. a lot of them influence the positions and rotations of the player which could be streamlined abit, maybe the seeking and attacking survivors too since it feels a little weird that such important logic is chilling in the attack release state

only my 2 cents tho for discussion purposes though none of this matters

[rare needle]

Yeah same, glad ButteryFixes covers it

Btw have you considered adding an option to disable the feature that's expensive on game saving?

[fickle rain]

i really dont know what to tell you, all im doing is saving a single integer or list of integers

[charred nymph]

almost sounds like you're describing my interface based method with OnChangeToState, etc

[fickle rain]

depending on whether the dropship has a vehicle attached or items inside of it

even if that were expensive it is a drop in the bucket compared to vanilla's saving functionality

which saves many more integers and many more lists

[opal wigeon]

Very possible. I'm probably too oop pilled

[charred nymph]

cough in case you missed it: #1195583267546595389 message

[rare needle]

I do wonder if maybe if YesFox isn't present maybe the game can be told to not save the vain shroud stuff, since I know saving became slow in the update where the fox and Cruiser got added

[tranquil frigate]

What you describing is something I would probably do if I did more with the project (I made a touhou tower defense where I went crazy with oop)

But I had only one killer (Reimu), so I said fuck it. We ball and made this monstrosity

[fickle rain]

well, that is a different feature you are requesting, and it is possible there could be some improvement there; vanilla saves vain shroud stuff regardless of it is enabled or not

[charred nymph]

The work you do now saves you the work you have to do later to make the system more generic for more killers, but yea

[fickle rain]

it would save 2 integers with default values and 1 empty list for each moon you have loaded, in that case

[rare needle]

Yeah I feel like it would need to be a seperate mod ofc, but something that tells the game to ignore saving expensive values like vain shroud stuff if it's not needed could be nice

Since Zeekerss didn't remove that when he removed the references to the fox for whatever reason

[cerulean ether]

maybe i dont like future xu, you ever thought about that?

[charred nymph]

waah

[tranquil frigate]

What Xu says, except I knew future me would probably not be working with another killer. So when I added killer "perks" that were really just dbd killer abilities, I realized that I could totally get away with adding that logic directly into the state machine

And man, that saved me time in the short run. God I hope I never have to suffer the consequences in the long run

[charred nymph]

I find that the time saved in the short term is usually miniscule because I can bang out interfaces and abstract classes in minutes https://github.com/RobynLlama/PawsyApp/tree/main/src/PawsyApp/PawsyCore

Like look at this mess, that was basically no time at all, ahaha

[tranquil frigate]

Wah

I'm stealing that interface approach

[cerulean ether]

for you that would be no time, for me that would be days because i gotta learn whatever the fuck any of this means

[charred nymph]

ehehe

An IUniquecollection<T> is a collection of items that are uniquely ID'd by a value of <T>

IUnqiueItem<string> has a value that is a string that is unique in the collection. Sounds like a dictionary but it kinda can't be, thanks discord

[cerulean ether]

icic

is W the character you like, use after you use T or smthn?

[charred nymph]

Yea, T is the type that identifies the unique item and W is the class of IUnique<T> that is stored, I think

I could probably have sidestepped this issue with dictionaries and better management but my initial implementation was using the same class for Pawsy as Guilds as Submodules and I needed them to all use one type that the parent shared

At some point I split them up (correctly) and they could use dictionaries now, I guess

[cerulean ether]

icic

[charred nymph]

I got too deep in object oriented land in that one

[rare needle]

You can make it so CodeRebirth sets that option to false if it detects it

Til he responds

[cerulean ether]

that conversations conclusion was that i shouldnt do that lol

[rare needle]

Yeah generally it's not advised but if the dev is MIA you could probably add it as a temporary patch

[cerulean ether]

ill just leave a warning lol

[charred nymph]

I think you should just delete general improvements if you detect it

[rare needle]

Lmao GI is actually a good mod tbh, just a shame Shaosil isn't active

[cerulean ether]

you didnt state you were joking, so im gonna carry that torch to the ends of the earth and if i get flagged in thunderstore imma just say robyn allowed it

[charred nymph]

https://tenor.com/bxMUu.gif

Do I look like I'm joking?

[rare needle]

No deleting my GI if CodeRebirth is installed

[cerulean ether]

coderebirth update in 20 minutes that deletes GI

[rare needle]

Not if I delete CodeRebirth

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-toast-cheers-champagne-gif-12045649

[fickle rain]

the approach is obviously to patch GI's patch over CR's patch

to resolve the incompatibility in-house

[woeful dock]

It has good features like the monitors and cabinet door removal

[rare needle]

Monitors really need a seperate dedicated mod, there is already one for the cabinet doors

[fickle rain]

wasnt that what openmonitors was for

[rare needle]

OpenMonitors doesn't do anywhere near as much

It's a nice mod but nothing really special

It's more so a better version of CorporateRestructure

[timid surge]

forking GI and reducing the feature set would not be super difficult I imagine

(not an offer though)

[woeful dock]

Not being able to find a license for it anyways

[timid surge]

oh true

uh oh

[rare needle]

@tranquil frigate Lmao

Nice doorway

[tranquil frigate]

Well, if you happen to remember the two rooms in between the door that would be helpful

[dim basin]

Remember, a number of mods let you change the # of item slots. Can't assume anything here 😄

[dim basin]

Right, he's too busy making is choose your own gore adventure to care about his multi-million-dollar best selling game.
Stuipd artist problems. "Wah people like the thing I made that I don't like wah."

[tranquil frigate]

Real

[dim basin]

Do remember inheritence has an overhead in C#, its not free. Also, polymorphism is cancerous, so once you need "a bit o X and a bit of Y" you end up with a bastard polymorphic child.

[dim basin]

I think the base type Set<T> does this btw.

[dim basin]

I did love the mod.

[charred nymph]

Yea its not my best work

[dim basin]

HashSet<T> * in C#, bah. Java-like languages and being "just different enough" to confuse things.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.collections.generic.hashset-1?view=netstandard-2.1

[rare needle]

@tranquil frigate Maybe this will help lol https://www.twitch.tv/lunxara/clip/VictoriousUnusualMangoShazBotstix-L7SKjCr8DOyzziAr

Someone also apparently got a fire exit to spawn once and it did nothing when they tried to go through it so idk if maybe the config bugged cus I switched generation from Vanilla to Default but it's possible

[tranquil frigate]

fire exit weirdness would be another mod i think

first time i hear of it

[rare needle]

Yeah that might have just been a bug from the mimics mod

I would guess a rpc didn't go off correctly and so there was a mimic door that just didn't work, I know on rare occassions sometimes some clients can't see mimic doors as well when everyone else can I've seen that happen with Vanilla Mansion

Not really sure what causes it since the issues are rare

[rare needle]

@tranquil frigate @analog egret

[rare needle]

Unsure if I needed to include the extra stuff from AsyncLoggers but I included it anyways

[tranquil frigate]

is this a specific mod pack error would you say?

also like what context is this error? like i know it's modded items failing to spawn for the bedroom event but i dont even know the context here

[rare needle]

I was checking stack traces cus of lag issues and found that I would assume the dice set that off most likely

[tranquil frigate]

Did it spam that error? I would hope that it exits out more gracefully than that

I swear that dungeon event causes so many issues with other mods

[rare needle]

Nah it wasn't spammed at least

[analog egret]

I'm very confused and I'm not entirely sure what to do to fix that tbh

[rare needle]

Btw clients still get other errors from the mod

So could relate to it

[tranquil frigate]

I would need the mod pack to know if it's even your mod causing the issue. The issue is just my mod selecting an item(s) to spawn at the end of my dungeon generation, then trying to spawn the items later during gameplay, then failing

If your mod at any point touches the scrap lists, then it could cause the error, but it could also be something else

[rare needle]

@analog egret this got spammed earlier at one point

In a clients' log

And that was the same game where we got SDM

[rare needle]

019360da-06a0-5f2e-a123-87298d879adf

[rare needle]

Also @tranquil frigate Can confirm the interior has been a lot better since switching to Default Generation from Vanilla, wanted to let you know lol

[tranquil frigate]

Makes sense, I designed my entire dungeon around default generation

Maybe today I'll get the vanilla fixes in

[celest scaffold]

Perhaps a silly question, but still:

Is it possible to somehow change the speed of the maid and her HP? I would like to change it for myself

[rare needle]

Yeah it's funny how Vanilla seems to generate larger than Default now in some strange ways and it makes it way harder to find scrap

[tranquil frigate]

I'll see if I can expose those with this next small update

[crimson bluff]

Thanks

[tranquil frigate]

@rare needle I do already have an toggle in the config called "Use Branch Path Multi Sim"

Set that off with the Vanilla preset (change the preset to Custom afterwards) to see if that fixes your issues with Vanilla.

I'll still gonna change the default config value of the Vanilla preset to false for that one, but I need another day for this update

[crimson bluff]

Two questions

The first one is instead of a maid, I have a butler, I even set the values ​​higher
But he still spawns

Second, I noticed that there is a radio on the map, will this radio be available as an item for the ship in the future?

[tranquil frigate]

question 1: It should replace but since you have other mods, it's very much possible that some mod is affecting the butler still. Also my code could be busted and I just wouldn't know

question 2: maybe but it's not a priority

[crimson bluff]

Alright, I have one guess why this could be, I’ll just say, maybe it will help in the future somehow

I think that this is somehow influenced by Brutal Company Minus, while you were answering I decided to get into the mod, I think that there are some things there that affect the spawn of the butler, so I think this is the reason, But I'm just guessing, thanks for the answers anyway😋

[tranquil frigate]

I was about to say brutal company ya. It's gonna need some enemy weight manipulation like what I'm doing so it can do what it's doing

[torpid plank]

@tranquil frigate did you do the config for the SeichiPatch or should I do it?

I'm doing configs rn for other stuff

[tranquil frigate]

Oh uhh you need to give me a bool config that I can use

[torpid plank]

didnt I spin a wheel for that?

[tranquil frigate]

Ya something gray

The name of the config, gray/grey/whichever

[torpid plank]

yeah Greyscale funny version GræySkæl

for easy access maybe I should do the config since its more a moon related thingy then your interior

[tranquil frigate]

yuh, then my compability patch can get the config value to use it

[tranquil frigate]

@rare needle Actually what I said earlier, ignore that. That multi branch path sim stuff never affected vanilla to begin with. I'm going to do the following and see what happens:

• main path length: (6-9) -> (6-8)
• branch paths near entrance: (4-6) -> (3-5) branch count
• all branch paths: -1 to min and max length

I don't know exactly why vanilla generation has the issues it has now. My only guess is that I've been adding tiles that work well for my default generation but work terriblely for vanilla generation. I do remember that I decreased the main path length for default generation by 1 like a fat minute ago. Perhaps vanilla generation needs the same treatment

I was breaking stuff with the DunGenPlus mod so not update yet. Usually I test my work in progress code live, but not now. Too spooky

[rare needle]

Ye it's very possible in any case I am glad that swapping to Default Generation made it feel a lot better again and my group has also been enjoying it like they used to again lol

[digital wing]

@tranquil frigate Hello ! Can you add a config to make the decorative crystal scrap spawn on all moons even the ones when the Scarlet devil mansion is not chosen to be generated?

[tranquil frigate]

Hmmmst

Should be fine, I'll see how easy it will be

Like, it's really easy to add that, but it also can't conflict with default behaviour. That part the harder part

[digital wing]

Yeah i assumed, let's hope it's easy for you to do that then

I really want them to spawn everywhere lol

[weak stag]

You can also add it to all moons via LLL and LQ anyways, they should be registered like any other scrap

[digital wing]

Yeah but it's better to have a config for it, cause otherwise i will need to add it manually every time i install a new moon

To be more precise, i want a replacer to colorfull flashlights and decorative crystal are perfect for that

[tranquil frigate]

I cannot figure out why that door spawned. Mod weirdness maybe?

[rare needle]

I think a config issue, after I regenerated it it didn't happen again, it only happened when I changed generation from Vanilla to Default but after a fresh config regen it never reprod

[tranquil frigate]

Enemy configs

[tranquil frigate]

Items config

I want to add a config so scrap items can spawn on all moons, but it's too tricky for the time being

[digital wing]

Noooooooo 😭

[crimson bluff]

let's goo

[supple mantle]

sdm and LcGiftBoxConfig seem to have an incompatibility, whenever a level loads with sdm and lcgiftbox is on, it softlocks

[weak stag]

@tranquil frigate
How many snow globes are there? Is it just these 3?

Its hard to spawn them to test because their texture seems to depend on their value, just like with the crystals

[tranquil frigate]

Uhh I want to say like 8+. And their model is based on their value yes

[tranquil frigate]

I am going to release an update soon™️ where I change how I do my item injection. Bug may go away or get worse whichever

[weak stag]

I'll make a challenge to have 4-5 different ones to he safe then, CodeRebirth also has 1

[digital wing]

oh? will they get added to every moon with a config? 🥺

[tranquil frigate]

yuh

[digital wing]

LETS GO

[weak stag]

https://tenor.com/view/aventurine-star-rail-i-love-gambling-roulette-gif-15600735931808948001

We'll find out then

[bleak lion]

i've almost no idea of what im supposed to do to unlock most of these rooms

had the mod for a couple months now

[tranquil frigate]

The solutions to all the treasure rooms:
Kitchen: ||There's a time printed on the wall. The doors automatically open when it reaches that time.||
Library: ||On the library bookshelves, there are 3 red books. Interact with all 3 of them and the door opens.||
Servan't Quarters: ||A radio will always spawn. There is a random song/volume combination that will open the door.||
Bedroom: ||The painting will always spawn. Just grab the painting but the enemy will spawn in the treasure room instead.||

I tried to make the solution as simple as possible to solve as I only wanted the mystery of solving the puzzle to be "difficult". If you still believe that solving the mystery is just too confusing, I can always make improvements.

[weak stag]

Not to be rude, but i and most people i play with found the puzzles to be really, really simple, like just perfectly fine
The only one that didnt immediately make sense was the ||radio, it just seemed like decoration, until you notice how its the only interactable thing near the locked door, and that the lights of the skulls above the door change as you mess with it, with the first turning on as soon as you turn the radio on, it clicked pretty quickly from then on once you catch it||

Tho i suppose it might depend how many puzzle games n such you've played before

idk

i think simplifying them any further would take away from it tbh

[tranquil frigate]

Scarlet Devil Mansion v2.0（紅魔館）

[tranquil frigate]

these bugs are crafty

anyway patch maybe today

debugging currently

[weak stag]

Patch, what bugs are there?

[median hazel]

they found a cockroach under a table

[weak stag]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-patchouli-patchy-get-real-gif-27077279

The patch is Patchouli

[tranquil frigate]

Speaking of getting real

Hot dropping the update

When something breaks lmk

Pushed let me know when something happens

Changes:

• Updated for v69
• Added more config fields for scrap items and enemies
• Added ||christmas trees|| to mayor
• Each main path will generate a minimum of one fire exit and painting if possible
• Slightly shrinked the size of the vanilla dungeon
• All critical damage mechanics renamed to "marked for death." Being marked for death by any mechanic twice will kill the player regardless of the source.
• Revenant properly slows down when being stared down
• The code to inject items/enemies when SDM dungeon loads has been changed. May cause bugs please let me know if they occur
• Added new portrait art

[south schooner]

like demonic painting portraits? or just the tabletop frames?

[tranquil frigate]

I label the demonic paintings as paintings and the tabletop frames as portraits

So the latter

[south schooner]

aye aye

[elder python]

I'm not sure why, but I've been incredibly unlucky with Sanguine as of late. Anytime the game tries to load the moon, it just locks up on the Random Seed. We only ever got it to work a couple of times. I might have to swap out that moon. Is SDM's Moon at all functional? Or is the 4 months of no updates prone to have even more problems than Sanguine?

[tranquil frigate]

Sanguine is not my mod. Please send your report here instead #1208849588539101294

[elder python]

NVM, I took it out, but the softlocking persists. I have a different problem entirely though. SDM kinda lags a bit, and it's SDM's dungeon specifically

[tranquil frigate]

Could be some error spam but I would need more information

[elder python]

I can't get the dungeon to work at all. I already reported in Tolian's channel regarding Sanguine, I tried the SDM Moon, which actually worked for a while, but if the dungeon itself is enabled for either moon, it just freezes on the route random screen. I might just have to choose a different, more recent moon to see if the problem persists

[tranquil frigate]

@elder python we may have found the cause of the bug, were you by chance using Loadstone

[tranquil frigate]

Pushed a fix to my parent DungeonGenerationPlus mod that caused failed generations with Loadstone and HarmonyXTranspilerPatch

The second mod is wild in how it broke my mod. I'm in agony

[weak stag]

Erm, my friend is just testing stuff for bingo and he said this came up
Is..there supposed to be a bunch of paintings now?
Tho we did recently add Central config, perhaps i should check and see if the size generation is being messed with

Either that or we just need to regen the config

[tranquil frigate]

By chance did you try the latest versions of DunGenPlus?

V1.3 introduced a bad new bug, we are sure that they were fixed last night

[tranquil frigate]

It's either my mod being buggy or config needs a reset. Try updating DunGenPlus first and see if the problem goes away

[weak stag]

I'll check when i get home

[weak stag]

Or actually @lavish spade what version is the mod and DunGen

In the pack

And which pack are you using

[lavish spade]

bingo v1.0.3a

0193cbce-2a9c-fff0-a043-c41a4c039da2

there is no a

[weak stag]

Is there any updates needed for sdm or dungen

[lavish spade]

where do i see this

can i just press update all and it will show me?

dun gen has an update

the mansion is on 2.1.0

1.3.0 for dun gen

[tranquil frigate]

Ya that version introduced a new bug. 1.3.2 should fix the bug and the painting count should go back to normal.

[weak stag]

Ah sweet

[weak stag]

Also sorry 1 more thing
"Added new portrait art"
Is that more characters, or existing ones redrawn?

[tranquil frigate]

New art for the framed pictures

Remilia specifically, 2 more

[weak stag]

Ah nice nice

[elder python]

Oh boy... Nope. I used the Nightly version that DunGen provided. Also, while I briefly got SDM to work, it only works well with Seichi and even then I have to reinstall a bunch of mods just to prevent it from soft-locking. I did this back-and-forth routine yesterday trying to get Sanguine and SDM to work properly, and it seemingly went well, up until the interior's walls were torn open like some very old screenshots back when there were some extreme bugs

So in short, no. I did not use Loadstone. I'm reinstalling Lethal Company and BepInEx and starting fresh with the config folder to see if I can get it to work on Seichi again, because that one has the most promise so far... at least until SDM's Moon and Sanguine are properly updated

[tranquil frigate]

Nightly version DunGen provided?

[elder python]

Yup, that's the only variant I used

I gave up on Sanguine for now. Once I figure out how to get SDM to work with Seichi again, everything else should be fine, hopefully

Yaaay, I got it to work with Seichi again

[tranquil frigate]

I have no clue what you mean by that tbh

[elder python]

I'm assuming Loadstone =/= Nightly, so I was specifying that I stuck around with the Nightly version provided by DunGen

I don't have Loadstone (the non Nightly version) running so I have a different problem altogether

[tranquil frigate]

DunGen isn't providing anything

Do you mean that you were using Loadstone Nightly, not regular Loadstone?

[elder python]

Yes. It came with the mod

And yeah, Loadstone Nightly, not the regular one

[tranquil frigate]

You still ain't making much sense to me about DunGen providing a mod but if it's working it's working

[elder python]

Here, I'll show you what I mean

This is in the Alice-DungeonGenerationPlus-1.3.1 folder that I downloaded from the thunderstore page. The folder happened to include Loadstone Nightly, so I plopped it into my modpack

[tranquil frigate]

Ohh

[elder python]

Yeah, I didn't include it on a whim if you were wondering. I included it because I took it as a recommendation

[tranquil frigate]

I named that badly but that LoadstoneNightly.dll is a compability patch for Loadstone

[elder python]

Ahh okay

Would I need both for it to work properly?

[tranquil frigate]

You should also use the new version 1.3.2 for DunGenPlus, that may help the issues you were having with dungeon generation

You can include my LoadstoneNightly.dll with or without Loadstone/LoadstoneNightly. If neither exist, the .dll won't do anything. If it detects one, it will add its fixes. You should also only include one of the Loadstone variants.

Also please refer to my mod as DunGenPlus and not DunGen. Those are separate things, you confused me lol.

[elder python]

Ahhh okay, gotcha. I'll do that right now

[unreal mulch]

i would love dungenplus to bits and pieces and replace vanilla generation with it in a heartbeat if it had some way to prevent this as well

[dusk quartz]

im having an issue with the interior, when i try landing on as example rend with the mansion selected it stops at the seed screen, not landing giving me these errors in the console: (tested it with other mods and without and its the same result)

[tranquil frigate]

Can you plz provide the mod list

[dusk quartz]

the others in my pack are completely disabled, and i deleted their configs too (regenerating them all too)

(code if its needed: 0193eee2-709e-39aa-5d69-fb38cd11f163)

[tranquil frigate]

It would be cool to remix the vanilla dungeons with the custom dungeon generation but unfortanely that's for someone else to solve not me

[tranquil frigate]

I tried a fresh install and I could not replicate the issue

Ill try the mod pack tomorrow if possible

[dusk quartz]

yeah i also find it weird, tho ill try that

ok on a completely fresh install it actually works, still wondering what caused it

[unreal mulch]

well thats what I'm saying

i think im gonna try to do that maybe

[lone hamlet]

I believe it should

fire exits are global props

and you can restrict global props to be per path now

i think right?

[bleak lion]

yea the quarters is the one i would of never figured out, ||i pressed on the radio a few times|| but nothing happens and gave up on that room

ty tho

[timid surge]

if you make the mineshaft use multiple main paths, but I think that would make the generation worse tbh given how much it depends on connecting in on itself

maybe I'm wrong though, but either way the fire exits per main path is not necessarily a solution to that

[upper garnet]

if the scarlet key doesnt work properly because of remnants adding another version it as scrap, would setting the scrap spawn chance for the scarlet key in the remnants config to 0 fix the problem?

[woeful dock]

It's just the Remanent version of the item that seemed fo have issues last I played with it

So probably unless it's extra weird?

[upper garnet]

i guess so

but i found the glitched textureless version often

but after disabling it in remnants

i havent found one since

[woeful dock]

The textureless version is the remnant version, unless you're saying the normal scarlet keys that are only supposed to show up in this interior aren't showing up at all?

[upper garnet]

ohhh they show up only in the scarlet interior

ok i didnt know that

nevermind then on my question lol

solved itself

[elder python]

Agh... I thought I finally solved the problem with moons not loading whenever SDM's given moon is loading in the seed, but it keeps soft-locking

[tranquil frigate]

I'm currently in vacation so like, you gotta figure it out

Recommend starting a fresh profile, add my dungeon and check, add the moon's one at a time and check, etc

I have heard that Shrimp causes softlocks

[elder python]

Guess I have no other choice

[tranquil frigate]

Spoiler alert for an update event. This explains what I mean by repurposing.

||New dailies events, a random event is selected when SDM loads. With various difficulties and scrap multiplier increases.||

||The Red Dusk: increases min enemy spawn count by 1. red lights. 1.5x scrap. 1.0x dungeon. (original feature removed)||
||The Revenant: spawns unique revenant enemy, acts like a bracken but more fair. 2.0x scrap. 0.75x dungeon (no longer spawns from maid)||
||The Knights: spawns two knights (coil-head variant) on the main room that will activate around 12pm and 6pms. 1.75x scrap. 1.25x dungeon (no longer spawns on the map)||
||The Maid: spawns maid (butler variant) on main room. does not leave said room. can die but always respawns after said time. disabled in single player. 1.5x scrap. 1.0x dungeon (no longer spawns on the map)||
||The Witchcraft: spawns summoning circle on center floor, insert 5 deco crystals to spawn 10 scrap. 1.0x scrap. 1.25x dungeon. forced 500 deco crystal weight.||
||The Dolls: add christmas trees. 1.0x scrap. 1.25x dungeon. forced 400 snowglobe weight to snowglobes. ||
||The Scarlet Knife: spawns hungry knife on main room. feed health based on lobby size to gain possession of knife. one shots all enemies, 3 uses. 1.0x scrap. 1.0x dungeon (no longer spawns on maid death)||
||The Gates: spawns two special doors on the main room. links to other special doors throughout the map. 1.5x scrap. 1.5x dungeon.||
||The Fog: spawns permanent weak fog in dungeon. 0.5x scrap. 3.0x scrap value. 1.5x dungeon||

[digital wing]

imo a great idea, go for it

[weak stag]

Definitely makes it unique and interesting compared to any other interior, but could be an issue for balancing since it ||changes day to day irl||
SDM already gives you alot more than most interiors without that much of a downside, but this is a complete rework of it
||2x scrap for example|| is nuts if thats gonna stack with other stuff like weather multipliers etc.
I think for the fun and unique factor the idea is 10/10
But any attempt at balancing it would be a nightmare honestly
Realistically if there isnt a config for it i'd keep it on an older version for packs where i wanna balance it well, but if/when vanilla updates or other mod compat updates are needed then its a bigger issue
i would definitely use it in a more chaotic party pack though

[south schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/the-fog-is-coming-brutality-gif-26972933

[weak stag]

||Forced interior fog event too i wasnt ever that bothered by it in vanilla but ik alot of people hated it||

[tranquil frigate]

I was always gonna add configs to the ||events|| so they can be more balanced if needed. And the numbers like 2x was only a number pulled out of the air, they can easily tweaked to more reasonable numbers.

Hell I can add preset configs so the ||events|| can be a small difference to the experience (small number changes etc.) or real terror (big number changes).

The thought process behind this idea is three fold.

1. At least with my LC group, we are super casual and barely experience everything with my dungeon for example. We can barely kill a snareflea without one teamkill player death (happened last night lmao). If I can prioritize one of my dungeon features once per day, than it's more likely that each of my features can be experienced by more people.
2. I want to add more dungeon features, but I fear content creep. There may be too much features for one single interior on a single 11min day. With this, I have another avenue in adding features to my dungeon without complicating the interior as a whole.
3. We are brutal company-pilled.

Of course this is only my thought process. I am open to counter points.

[weak stag]

Thats wonderful

[weak stag]

Makes sense
It is just one of those things that rly enhance one particular direction/aspect but hurts another
So then its just a matter of different tastes/pack design/types of players etc.

[dawn bramble]

SDM Brutal Company event and it's just Nutcrackers firing bullet patterns everywhere (gotta dodge the bullets to meet quota)

j

[tranquil frigate]

I can see that the idea is not popular enough to warrant the changes. I'll do some rethinking about the idea. Perhaps instead of a brutal company-like feature, it should just be a random small addition to the map.

[weak stag]

It is by no means a bad idea
Its just that its a very significant change to what we had before
And just due to the nature of modding this game, we would be forced to use the latest version to ensure compat with vanilla updates and other mod updates
So then it just comes down to it being configurable

[tranquil frigate]

Ya the idea isn't bad, but forcing drastic changes onto the mod is bad. I'll repurpose the proposed changes into general changes to the current dungeon.

[tranquil frigate]

The first person to suggest something to add for this sudden SDM update (LLL is forcing my hand) will have it implemented right now.

It must be feasible and/or something I've been wanting to do. If you don't think it's feasible say it anyway

[woeful dock]

big gohei to bonk friends with

[tranquil frigate]

i have just the model i think

you are lucky, i have a model

[tranquil frigate]

took a little longer than expected. it's gonna be a normal shovel scrap with ||enemy detection capabilities||

but it's ready when batby pushes the LLL update

[woeful dock]

Yippee! :3

[unreal mulch]

the ability to define a minimum fire exit distance with dungenplus

[tranquil frigate]

You too late sorry

I'll put that idea on the back burner though

[unreal mulch]

ive been wanting this for so long and batby said no to putting it in LLL

[tranquil frigate]

The only reason that it may be possible is that i already messed with the code that deals with fire exits

So if I already messed with it, may as well go all the way

[unreal mulch]

if you do that ever im gonna make a remixed vanilla dungen mod using the api

i would legit pay money for that ngl

anyways gl with the update :3 the new stuff happening with LLL is super cool so im pretty excited to accommodate myself

[tranquil frigate]

sneak peak of next update

your configs ruined again

[rare needle]

Good thing I've been just regening them everytime the mod updates

lol

I usually have something break if I don't

[tranquil frigate]

you know i love variations, new dungeon variation
new entrance tile, dungeon generation values changed a bit, otherwise it's the same dungeon

[spare ore]

oooo

[cerulean ether]

i didnt, you never said this to me ever before

i cant read your mind

[tranquil frigate]

skill issue

[spare lagoon]

when Terminal gal from Code Rebirth scans scraps. they detect some non-scraps in SDM 😅

[cerulean ether]

why u put em on prop layer raph

[tranquil frigate]

lmao you were complaining about this like a fat minute ago

well you were complaining about items not being in prop layer

and i somehow put my non items in the prop layer

ill fix :)

[tranquil frigate]

I'm writing this for my own sake and in case someone remembers me forgetting something

Last changes before update

• Add new Music Box music
• Fix knight spawn animation to not spam audio
• Fix enemy spawn audio to like... actually work (it like never did)
• Fix mimic combability with new interior and previous
• Remove prop layer for the map props
• Test that my new configs are actually networked
• Enlarged the 2F library rooms. Make some walls smaller in 1F library rooms
• Removed some hallway tiles. Reduced some of the blood spam. Added more decorations
• Void rooms with missing paths are slightly easier
• Add a few new rooms inspired by the castle I saw in Mexico
• Add sound effects for lights turning off
• Perhaps knight change ||they don't move for the first 60 seconds, when they see their first victim, they will activate. auto activates after 60 seconds||
• Perhaps revenant change ||they announce their presence when they first find their victim||
• Secret idea don't look ||all props will collapse with enemy contact, leaving pieces behind, cause I think it would be cool and remove table cheese||

[cerulean ether]

I looked

[tranquil frigate]

Me and the boys HATE refactoring

Redid my vent code to like be better, and I wanna unalive myself for real. That was time-consuming.

[opal wigeon]

now imagine doing it without trying to break all the mods 😛

[tranquil frigate]

I don't think I should imagine. Would be happier that way

[opal wigeon]

i want to change so much

[tranquil frigate]

@timid surge Am I allowed to add renderers to CullFactory's tile renderer list thingy

Cause I want to spawn extra renderers in my dungeon and don't want to freak out CullFactory + don't lose on performance

[timid surge]

uhh

when are you spawning them?

[tranquil frigate]

during gameplay

way after the dungeon generates

[cerulean ether]

@timid surge am I allowed to just randomly delete lists cullfactory creates

I'm worried about bloat caused by cullfactory so just clearing out some data

Should help with performance

[timid surge]

go for it

might freeze your gameplay camera though

[cerulean ether]

Perfect

[timid surge]

hmm, I'd probably need to add an API for that so that I can set visibility for new objects

sounds like fiddly business but if it's important I could probably do it

it's definitely not designed for it though, everything is essentially meant to be read only after it's generated

[tranquil frigate]

it's not meant for it, but i'm gonna it do

i wont be removing renderers, just adding renderers, can't be that bad :)

[timid surge]

well just make sure you set them to whatever state they should be in or they're gonna be rendering until they change states

[tranquil frigate]

fosho

[timid surge]

and it'll be on you if they're invisible when they shouldn't be :^)

[tranquil frigate]

I don't know if the new LLL update breaks my mod

Eitherway, I'll push what I've done so far when I wake up

[digital wing]

i found this

[left tartan]

yeah mod busted after the update

[tranquil frigate]

time to update then

give me a fat half hour

[south schooner]

3 days. message received

[tranquil frigate]

If I could have more time it would cool, but just gotta full send the patch

[tranquil frigate]

Alright the hardest part, updating the readme

[keen sinew]

agreed, that's the hardest part

[south schooner]

thanks for keepin SDM up to date 🙂

[tranquil frigate]

I don't think Batby finished the update properly

I can't load my dungeon to even get screenshots for the readme

Plz waits

[torpid plank]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-pokemon-cute-confused-huh-gif-16705207

[south schooner]

so if i update LLL and not every interior is ready for it, will it just be not there nor loading, or will it spam the log?

[opal wigeon]

interiors will be fixed

its on my end not theirs

[south schooner]

so... log spam or nay with current version?

[tranquil frigate]

wait till tonight, should be fixed by then

hopefullys

[cerulean ether]

So in 6 minutes then okay

[opal wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/kendrick-lamar-u-screaming-in-the-hotel-room-tpab-tpab-poem-to-pimp-a-butterfly-gif-4005569222539385807

[tranquil frigate]

Sorry I don't speak br*tish

[cerulean ether]

😔

[tranquil frigate]

Oh and I did fix my prop stuff

[cerulean ether]

Nice!

Now label your hazards as map hazards

So jimothy can take them

/srs

[tranquil frigate]

I don't have any hazards though?

[cerulean ether]

Okay thrn good

[tranquil frigate]

I set up my "prop" prefabs like 9 months ago, not knowing what the props layer did

Only to bite me in the ass 9 months later

[cerulean ether]

I bite in advance next time

[south schooner]

i'll just assume the answer was log spam

[weak stag]

Remilia is but a british child

[tranquil frigate]

You say bad things about Remilia again and Ima ban you

I dont have the power to

But I will spritually

[weak stag]

https://youtu.be/-m7bm3_kOvo

A yoshio classic

[tranquil frigate]

That's wild

We speak the same language and yet I didn't understand a single word

[cerulean ether]

i understood it all

[tranquil frigate]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Alice/ScarletDevilMansion/

we back

[drowsy estuary]

[south schooner]

😩 👌

[rare needle]

@tranquil frigate 👀

[tranquil frigate]

ohh the pngs i forget

ohh lel i forget to test without lethal config

[rare needle]

I'm glad I caught it for ya

[tranquil frigate]

you almost triggered me with the ping

im like how you break my mod again

ohh my fault

[rare needle]

Lmaooooo

Yeah I was gonna say that looked like it errored before I ever started a lobby

I haven't had SDM break for me in a long time just caught those errors lol

[tranquil frigate]

pushed

[oblique rapids]

Hello! What are the Scarlet basement and foyer interiors?

[lean trellis]

Very Weird

Thunderstore mod manager is garbage

9 hours in and theres no update!

[trail pagoda]

hello i report just an bug , i will can never play to this dungeon of all my life :
i'm always stuck on the seed generation

[20:39:11.1331521] [Info   :dev.ladyalice.dungenplus] Loading DunGenExtender for sdmFoyer
[20:39:11.1362966] [Error  : Unity Log] ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection.
Parameter name: index
Stack trace:
System.Collections.Generic.List`1[T].get_Item (System.Int32 index) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0009)
ScarletMansion.DunGenPatch.Patch.UpdateDunGenExtenderProperties[T] (ScarletMansion.Configs.ConfigDungeon`1[T] dungeonConfig, ```

[tranquil frigate]

please share your mod list

[trail pagoda]

i doesn't use launcher , so i can only list manually

[tranquil frigate]

share it anyway, but understand that I may not be able to help

[trail pagoda]

no problem , pretty sure is an mod conflict but for find the correct bwarf

aliceScarletDevilMansion
atlasabyss
Biodiversity
CodeRebirth
cullfactory
Diversity
Dungenplus
FacelessStalker
FacilityMeltdown
GraphicsAPI
Haunted Harpist
LCCutscene
LethalCompanyInputUtils
LethalConfig
LethalLib
LethalModDataLib
LethalNetworkAPI
LethalPerformance
lethalSettings-1.4.1
miragecore
MMHOOK
MoreCompanyCosmetics
moresuits
Odin Serializer
ooblterra
peepers-1.0.3
RollingGiant
sanguinemoon
shipwindow
surfaced
zealsprince-Locker-1.5.0
CHANGELOG.md
CodeRebirth.rar
com.github.zehsteam.ShyGuySettings.dll
DarkMist.dll
DontTouchMe.dll
Dungenplus.rar
fartwithreverb
ghostCodes.dll
HerobrineMod.dll
HerobrineMod.pdb
icon.png
immortalsnail
ImmortalSnail.dll
| LandMineFartReverb.dll
LateCompanyV1.0.17.dll
LCOuijaBoard.dll
LethalLevelLoader.dll
Lethal Presents.dll
LethalSirenHead.dll
Malfunctions
Malfunctions.dll
MaxwellScrap.dll
Mimics.dll
Mirage.Compatibility.dll
Mirage.Core.dll
Mirage.dll
 MirageRevive.dll
MoreCompany.dll
MoreScreams.dll
MrovLib.dll
NavMeshinCompany.dll
NavMeshinCompany.pdb
OldLLLLib.dll
OpenLib.dll
Opensource.md
PossessedMasks.dll
README.md
Scopophobia.dll
scp096
sirenheadassets
Skibidi.Al.dll
Skibidi.deps.json
Skibidi.dll
SolidLib.dll
TooManyEmotes.dll
WeatherRegistry.dll```

[tranquil frigate]

last question, are you using most recent scarlet devil mansion mod and dungenplus mod?

[trail pagoda]

yeah , i doawnloaded latest LLL , latest SDM and latest dungenplus

i get this error until v55 xD

i thinked one day someone will get it too , but no xD

[tranquil frigate]

you can try removing my configs

I've heard that helped some people

[trail pagoda]

in LLL ?

[tranquil frigate]

I look at mods, I see nothing that should break

no my mod's configs

[trail pagoda]

i try

[trail pagoda]

again stuck on "random seed" :

[tranquil frigate]

so that's the weird bug

[trail pagoda]

Thinked an conflict with LLL but I see you have update in same time than it

[tranquil frigate]

dungeonFlow is null

[trail pagoda]

An way to hardcode them in config ?

[tranquil frigate]

Here's what I think the problem is

Some mod of yours is doing very werid and different things

OldLLLLib.dll
I don't know what mod this is, but it's mods like that scare me

Have you tried making a new mod list?

[trail pagoda]

Is an newest , last time I wanted test SDM was in v55 xD

[tranquil frigate]

I don't even remember v55, so long ago

Do you have

FixPluginTypesSerialization.dll
in your patchers folder

or anywhere

[trail pagoda]

yep but possibly not updated , i will check

i have evaisa not DiFFoZ , is an problem ?

[tranquil frigate]

I use evaisa it should be fine

Besides that, I don't know how much more I can help you. I can't test since I can't download your mods

I really recommend you to use a mod loader imo

[trail pagoda]

i doesn't like get another another launcher xD

[tranquil frigate]

Unless your computer is dying for storage, it's not much of an issue, but you do you.

[trail pagoda]

okay you are an boss xD

FixPluginTypesSerialization was not updated xD

damn

sorry for desagrement xD

[tranquil frigate]

🫡

[tranquil frigate]

Goddamnit, I pushed a fix to my config networking stuff

Only to leave my test function

Yall living with it now

[tranquil frigate]

Scarlet Devil Mansion v2.2（紅魔館）

[cerulean ether]

i liked version 2.5 better

[tranquil frigate]

I liked XuXiaolan better

[round olive]

i liked zort better

[tranquil frigate]

I wanna give a shout out and bird up to this algorithm

https://github.com/byronknoll/visibility-polygon-js/blob/master/visibility_polygon_dev.js

Right now is the third time I abused it

[timid surge]

interesting, are you using that for something in LC?

[tranquil frigate]

Nopes

Maybe I can find a use, but nopes

[spare lagoon]

does the mimic fire exit still have compat for both old and new interior? or I have to manually whitelist it?

[tranquil frigate]

Does it automatically

[unreal mulch]

@tranquil frigate is the fire exit update out

plead emoji

i havent been paying attention

[tranquil frigate]

ohh whoops didnt annouce that

it is

[unreal mulch]

yippee

[tranquil frigate]

oh gotta update my docs

[unreal mulch]

!!!

[tranquil frigate]

shit

[unreal mulch]

oh i gotta say

i love how clean the docs for dg+ are

its really nice u did good on it

[tranquil frigate]

you like my home page

[unreal mulch]

its super easy to understand

Yes

[tranquil frigate]

i put a lot of work on the home page

[tranquil frigate]

@unreal mulch added the small section about the new feature

[unreal mulch]

what section is it on ?

[tranquil frigate]

https://git.touhou.dev/Raphtalia/DungeonGenerationPlus_LethalCompany_Mod/wiki/DunGenExtender#detailed-global-prop-settings

[unreal mulch]

OH

i see

i skimmed over it hehe

[cerulean ether]

I could do better

[timid surge]

I couldn't

[cerulean ether]

lying vs not lying

lying always wins

[timid surge]

just gotta hope and pray my documentation for PathfindingLib is clear enough lol

[oblique rapids]

Hello ! We just found a scrap from this mod but it was invisible and in another interior

And RunTimeIcons failed to make an icon for it

[spare lagoon]

do you have remnants?

[oblique rapids]

Yeah...so this mod is the problem ?

Okay found it I just have to disable the spawn of the scarlet key in the configs

thank you !

[spare lagoon]

not a problem but you could disable the scarlet key to spawn from the configs of remnants

[waxen hull]

@tranquil frigatewell i'm using my mod pack but i can't land at the moon with your interior, can you check this?

[weak stag]

I had this before with a broken config. Try deleting the SDM config (back it up before if you need it), and see if that fixes it first i would say

[waxen hull]

I'm bad with those, what is the SDM config? how can i delete it

[weak stag]

"ScarletMansion" is the name of it, you should be able to search it in Gale/R2modman

[waxen hull]

I found a three of it, do i need to delete them all?

[cerulean ether]

Try

[waxen hull]

um... it didn't work

I can't still land

does this mod don't have a dependency with FixPluginTypesSerializationDebug mod? because i has disabled FixPluginTypesSerialization and using that mod instead.

[tranquil frigate]

it needs one of those

Not sure of debug version

[waxen hull]

not that one also, it still can't start

[waxen hull]

did i do something wrong with config?

all enable configuration setting is true

[tranquil frigate]

I do not know. Please send me your mod list or logs

[waxen hull]

Oh i've already send it there

[tranquil frigate]

I have not checked on my computer yet, but I think the issue is with FixPluginTypes

I don't know why you need the debug version, but try and use the regular one

[waxen hull]

Alright i'll try it later, for now. i need to go to bed.

[waxen hull]

Because i was worried about a error that appearing when starting the game

[tranquil frigate]

I learned that the FixPluginTypes mod has issues right now. I understand now

Enjoy your sleep

[waxen hull]

well it work that uninstalling Debug verison

[tranquil frigate]

nice

The FixPluginTypes mod has issues. You should still use the regular version even if it has error text, it will be fixed soon maybe. I think the debug version is only for modders.

[waxen hull]

oh lol, i was saw a description that "Fix custom Serializable structs and such not properly getting deserialized by Unity" so i just thought it was a better lmao

[stiff geode]

can i post suggestions here?
would it be possible to add to the config file an option to make SnowGlobe play nonstop when activated? just like BoomBox

[tranquil frigate]

It'll be a bit strange since it wasn't designed for looping

But if I remember for the next update, I'll add a config, it's easy

[stiff geode]

thank you very much, i really like to carry it around and play the "music box" melody

[dawn bramble]

Oh, that reminds me, it'd be cool if at least one of the radios was actually scrap in disguise and we can take it back as a reskinned boombox

[tranquil frigate]

I know I've been asked that a few times. It's just not on my to-do list since it's quite annoying to change it into scrap imo. I don't mind making it a ship prop instead since that's more easier probably.

[dawn bramble]

I could live with that

[digital wing]

making it a scrap shouldn't be that hard to do, you can still have all your own triggers etc, the only thing that change is the fact you can grab it but thats it
but tbh i like having this as a dungeon decor it's cool founding one randomly inside and you start the music then perform a random emote, then all other player gather around you and start dancing as well, wouldn't be the same if it was a scrap

[cerulean ether]

Raphs only been modding for like a couple weeks so they haven't done much scrap but it's okay, dunno if it would fit as a scrap, ship upgrade sounds fun though

[tropic creek]

So I hear there's now a basement.

[tranquil frigate]

Didn't say hard said annoying. The radio is tied to a dungeon mechanic so if I do prop -> scrap, I'll have to account/design for that. And if I make it easier for myself and make it a scrap, then I'll have to somehow tell the player why they can pick up that scrap radio and not the prop radio.

Annoying to get it all right when just ship prop would work basically the same.

[tranquil frigate]

Basement varient yuh

[tropic creek]

I'm now motivated to drive my Cruiser back to this moon and see for myself.

[digital wing]

true true, but also said that i think having it as a scrap wouldn't be the same
i prefer it to be a dungeon decor but thats just my opinion

[tranquil frigate]

my mod's a dungeon not a moon, so you gotta drive your cruiser back to the entrance

[tropic creek]

Oh sorry, I was referring to the SDM moon that I use to mount the interior

[tranquil frigate]

nice

sdm moon users always based

[tropic creek]

It's huge so it's cheap to encourage players to buy the Cruiser

[tranquil frigate]

true, which is why im leaning towards ship prop for those who want it

[tropic creek]

Having a Touhou radio in my ship playing 24/7 would be amazing

[digital wing]

ok fair

[tropic creek]

Sometimes I would substitute by playing Touhou music on the Cruiser radio

While on the ship lol

[short pewter]

For some reason I cant see the mansion interior in the simulate list despite the LLL config being true

any tips if possible

[tropic creek]

Does it say "Scarlet Foyer" instead?

[short pewter]

The foyer and basement actually work

its just the mansion

its strange

[tropic creek]

Also did you make the moon on the interior list a non-zero value?

[short pewter]

hold on im able to show my config

[tropic creek]

If you can, try showing your terminal simulation too

[short pewter]

terminal just shows all the interiors I have besides the mansion

including the foyer and basement

its weird

[tropic creek]

Wait a minute... that one has got to be outdated.

[short pewter]

It doesnt say it has an update

huh...