Starlancer Moons v3.2.0 / Starlancer Warehouse v1.7.0

[lone roost]

@uneven plover how did you get starlancer's secret moon to

ah

ough i have no idea how to use that

[acoustic tide]

honestly lmfao

I completely accidentally guessed the keyword for the hidden moon

I guessed from one screenshot and the fact that we were told all interiors should have the same chance

but now the letters make sense too

[strange wyvern]

I’m gonna be real I looked at the decompiled source to find it

[naive atlas]

okey guys, i found all the letters, how am i gonna make a word out of these 7 letters that make sense.. there are too many possible words 😭 any tips?

[limpid portal]

There shouldn't be too many options for words. Double check the symbols for ones that could be confused for others

[naive atlas]

okay, maybe i deciphered it incorrectly

[lone roost]

you're a coward

[strange wyvern]

yeah

[slim heron]

google a word maker

[ruby wagon]

gonna maybe play lc when i get home any hints where to find the like code for zero

[thorn warren]

Just look doen

Down

[ruby wagon]

okie dokie!

[strange wyvern]

So is this a spoiler moon thing or have old birds always been able to do that

because I have NEVER seen this happen before

[thorn warren]

the flamethrower?

thats always been there

[molten sphinx]

i love that it turns you into the source burned corpse

[strange wyvern]

I have legitimately ran between their legs like that so many times and this is the first time I have EVER seen it

maybe I'm just stupidly lucky idk

[steady carbon]

That's always been a thing

[old escarp]

Can anyone tell me the hidden moon name? I don’t play too much and I play mostly with friends, so we don’t search for clues or something :c

[molten sphinx]

its worth the effort to find it, but dm me if you want the name

[lunar pumice]

idk why i made this but let’s blame it on me fainting earlier today messing me up a bit

@limpid portal

[limpid portal]

is... is the lighthouse collision still messed up?

[lunar pumice]

No don’t worry

Just thought of it while talking to a friend lol

[limpid portal]

ohhh phew

[old escarp]

Anyone knows why I can't start the ship after selling?

[slim heron]

LLL issue. use this until 1.2.4 https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TestAccount666/LethalLevelLoaderCompanyFixer/

[cursive palm]

This took me way too long to figure out x.x

[solid osprey]

navigation completely brokje on starlancer's warehouse

[solid osprey]

@limpid portal none of the enemies were able to move when I was playing starlancer's warehouse

[limpid portal]

Nothing has changed in quite a while, not sure how it could directly be Warehouse

[limpid portal]

Also the Warehouse thread can be found here https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1227783799639769098

[solid osprey]

oh oops lmao

[glass sky]

Okay i know im late to the party, but that was fun figuring out the secret moon code
i definitely needed to look at that note hint in Auralis for all of it to fall into place XD
i had seen the Triskelion and Solace but didnt knew what they where

very odd and ominous area, like everyone before me i'll keep it spoiler free
but you guys did a great job! all of these moons (well the 4 i have explored so far) are amazing!

[thorn warren]

Yeah, star, starlancer, Knight and Mr audio all did a great job as a collective group of people who are developing this mod

[lunar pumice]

Mr. Audio sounds like a rhythm game character

[glass sky]

agreed XD

[livid rover]

can somebody DM me the routing word for the secret moon

[tender ember]

the routing word is deez

[sturdy saddle]

whats the route name for starlancer zero?

[nocturne tinsel]

will dm

[slim heron]

||deez||

[sturdy saddle]

nahhh fr pls guys 😦 dm

[nocturne tinsel]

i did

[sturdy saddle]

Damn it I thought it was that!

I was typing "route <deez>"

[lone roost]

figure it out yourself

[lunar pumice]

bro actually fell for a deez nuts joke in the year of our lord 2024

[sturdy saddle]

'bros' not the sharpest cookie in the jar x

I substituted Deez for the actual route word to keep in check with the no spoiler rule :p

[lunar pumice]

I like “brightest knife in the crayon box”

[limpid portal]

Starlancer Moons v2.2.1 [Hidden Moon Update]

[slim heron]

https://tenor.com/view/joseph-joe-star-jojo-bizarre-adventure-wut-what-gif-5601069

[limpid portal]

Sorry, was just putting in the space for parity with the other threads to make this thread easier to find ^^;

[slim heron]

heck, but kk

[lone roost]

auralis doesn't have the tundra tag :(

[limpid portal]

It doesn't??? I could swear I made sure Celestial Tint was supported

[steady carbon]

Yes it does

My only guess is if it doesn't now the recent update for Celestial Tint bugged it, it had it for me last I played on Auralis

@limpid portal can confirm you did lol

[steady carbon]

@limpid portal It's still working in my pack

I'm hovering Auralis lol

@lone roost

[steady carbon]

Wonder if this points to an assetbundle not loading properly on your end

Idk

[limpid portal]

Starlancer Moons v2.3.0

• StarlancerMoons v2.3.0
  • Updated for Lethal Company v56.
  • Updated dependencies.
  • Item Dropships updated to new style.
    • Have fun ordering that one new purchasable thing on Triskelion, you lunatics.
  • Added a MoldAttractionPoint to Auralis, Solace, and [REDACTED].
  • Auralis & Solace
    • Added a relatively low chance for the new Barbers to spawn inside.

I better see some big Triskelion stupidity soon

||drive that car|| right into the crushing gravity of the gas giant

[lone roost]

do you know what moldattractionpoints do because i sure dont but i wanna know

[limpid portal]

Not 100% sure but I think ||they allow the foxes to spawn||

[lone roost]

oh that's pretty important then

[idle tree]

The wolves just spawn whenever there is enough vein shrouds on the stage. I've had it spawn on modded moons during the beta, so MoldAttractionPoints doesn't having anything to do with that. My guess is that it influences where the game randomly decides to place the bushes (vein shrouds)

[opal mauve]

They can definitely spawn without them. My theory is that the ||mold grows towards the direction of them||

I'm actually becoming a fan of the Barber slowly

So good to see more moons adding it

@limpid portal Would you be willing to help me port to the new version? Wesley and Generic have been somewhat busy with theirs

If not it's okay tho

[limpid portal]

Odd. Maybe I'll look at the code later, but every vanilla moon has it I think

[limpid portal]

Currently heading to bed, but I can help out later tomorrow

[idle tree]

Yeah I think it has something to do with the bush generation. Not the spawning of the wolf. Looking at the decomp, it seems to try and spawn the bush near gameobjects with the MoldAttractionPoint tag

Tho it seems it's not needed, since the bushes can still spawn on moons that haven't been updated for v55

Just useful for trying to control where it spawns

[limpid portal]

Well hopefully my implementation of it doesn't break anything then lol

[idle tree]

I don't think so 🙂 Whereever you placed the points, the vein shrouds will most likely spawn

[idle tree]

@lone roost If you wanna add the mold attraction points, this is how they work I am pretty sure

[steady carbon]

Btw I'm surprised you didn't add Barbers to Triskelion lol

[limpid portal]

Triskelion is meant to be a shovel moon, so having too many invincible enemies goes against the design philosophy

[steady carbon]

Fair

c;

[idle tree]

That makes so much sense looking at the enemy spawns XD

[steady carbon]

Speaking of Triskelion we went there earlier and a Baboon Hawk went inside the Warehouse and started taunting @slim heron

XD

Baboon Hawks are truly built different

Lmfao

[idle tree]

Somehow have the vein shrouds spawn inside so you can have the bush wolves inside😈 They are a shovel enemy after all

[steady carbon]

Might be possible if he updates AiFix to support the new enemies tbh

[idle tree]

I wouldn't just spawn them without the bushes tho, they are needed for the wolves to be able to kill

unless AIFix does a workaround for that

[limpid portal]

Dealing with nest objects is a pain, so I might leave that alone in this case

[idle tree]

They technically aren't "nests". I would try and figure out a way to make them work inside without the bushes

[opal mauve]

Yea I didn't mean tonight

They need to be tested to see if and how they function currently before we start implementing fixes

[limpid portal]

Yeah, if y'all can gather some data on that it'd be appreciated, but I'll peek at their kill-code and see what it's like

[idle tree]

Be prepared, the bush wolf is about 2500 lines💀

[opal mauve]

I can do some testing with them inside via AdvancedCompany

And StarlancerAIFix so that the base EnemyAI works

[limpid portal]

I've spent many an hour looking at the code, I'm confident I can find what I'm looking for at this point 🤭

[limpid portal]

Preesh ✨

[opal mauve]

Actually perhaps we can run some tests tomorrow together

Since we'll already be fixing up the cheese

[idle tree]

If you guys need more help with the bush wolf stuff tomorrow, or in general, just shoot me a dm. I'm pretty familiar with the bushes themselves since I might need to do an update to NestFix to prevent them from spawning inside walls outside

[opal mauve]

Fair, we'll see how the day plays out

[thorn warren]

It'd be decently hard, foxes drag u to nest to kill, so they'll need to have a bunch if detections for where their nest is, if they're carrying a player, if they're next to a door, teleporting between entrances, and then teleporting whilst holding a player

[idle tree]

I didn't even think of doors or the teleporter. As for the nests themselves, I figure assigning an AI node to be the "nest" or something would probably be easier then actually making the bushes work inside too

Either way you're right. It's not going to be easy probably

[opal mauve]

Could also set the spawn position (aka the vent for the interior) to be the "nest"

But we'll test and see how it functions inside first

[thorn warren]

It's pretty simple

If u put it inside now

It'll just route to one specific point in the interior

With AIFix, it'll probably be able to walk around just fine, but it won't work as intended across entrances and stuff

You also shouldn't put the nest inside anyway

Like actually shouldn't lol

You'll have floating weeds next time you visit the same moon otherwise

[opal mauve]

Yeah that's what we wanna test is AIFix with it. And we're not talking put an actual nest inside, we're saying basically cause the fox to treat a certain place as its nest if inside

[thorn warren]

Keep in mind the position of the weeds get saved into the moon so when u revisit it stays there

Hm

I mean, maybe, just putting a random vent or smthn as a nest for it would probably work, ish

[opal mauve]

I imagine you could assign the vent it spawned out of as its "nest"

[thorn warren]

It does also just have a bunch of ship related code so it'll need a lot of changes lol

[opal mauve]

But we're gonna see how it behaves currently first and if it will even kill you

Makes sense, makes sense

[thorn warren]

If you're inside and it's inside, it probably won't be able to kill you (assuming u need to be near the nest to die)

But should move around just fine

[opal mauve]

I don't imagine it'll be an easy one to get working inside but I'd like to see it, they'd be perfect inside for Wesley's Desolation for example

I'm also very biased, they're like my favorite enemy now

[thorn warren]

Lol, lots of people hate them for whatever reason

[slim heron]

skill issue me included

[opal mauve]

They were really overpowered in the beta, and kind of buggy

[slim heron]

theyre scary, but theyre hilarious

[opal mauve]

But I love them

[steady carbon]

They still kind of are if you don't use KidnapperFoxSettings tbh but they're better than they were in the V55 beta

[opal mauve]

Them screaming when you see them: very funny
Them screaming when you don't:

[steady carbon]

The scream is so dumb and derpy lol

[opal mauve]

I honestly disagree now that the patches are out fixing it and giving it a bit more counterplay

It's basically an outdoor bracken that spawns near bushes

[thorn warren]

They need to watch where they're sticking their tongue is all I'm sayin

[opal mauve]

What that tongue doin

[steady carbon]

Precisely why I like the setting of not having my damn items forcefully dropped

it's fun to whack the tongue

LOL

[opal mauve]

Skill issue, just regrab the shovel

[slim heron]

cant

[steady carbon]

You can

[slim heron]

you can?

[opal mauve]

I've literally seen someone do it lol

[slim heron]

nvm then

[steady carbon]

It's just you have to pull yourself back, and not let it pull you away

[opal mauve]

It's just hard cuz it drags you away from the items so you gotta be really fast

Yeah

I won't disagree that it's definitely more powerful than other outdoor enemies

But I think it's a far cry from overpowered

Now that it doesn't just sit in the ship constantly

[thorn warren]

I also someone being like

"Why outdoor, we need more indoor enemies"

[steady carbon]

Yeah glad this was fixed lol

[thorn warren]

Not even close to being true

We barely have any outdoor enemies lol

[opal mauve]

Oh yeah no outdoor needed variety

There's a reason we wanted mods to put indoor enemies outside

Speaking of which, the Barber outside is so much more terrifying than inside

[steady carbon]

Lmao it would be for sure

[opal mauve]

I experienced it on Temper, Autumnis' snow moon

It's freaky

Surprisingly not super overpowered, just scary as heck

And worked without any tweaks

[thorn warren]

With how the barber works, it's 100x easier outside

All it does is choose a position to jump directly after it's jumped

[opal mauve]

It honestly is easier outside, yeah, but it's scarier too imo

[thorn warren]

Which makes it one of the easier enemies to dodge lol

[opal mauve]

You say that, but I was killed by a barber in the same frame it appeared lmao

[thorn warren]

Lol, that was just bad luck, he wasn't routing to u that means

[steady carbon]

Btw @opal mauve XD https://clips.twitch.tv/HonestSullenSpindleWOOP-7AVgNdkaJuVqFgYn

[opal mauve]

Fair, I was looking for him since I hadn't seen him before, not the other way around

[steady carbon]

Toilhead playing fox sounds was so funny

LOL

[opal mauve]

Lmao

I should do that to people

I love the fox scream

[steady carbon]

The fox scream is great

[opal mauve]

As I said: Funny as heck when you can see it, terrifying when you can't

[steady carbon]

and I love how Mirage likes to prioritize it for enemies mimicing voices for some reason

XD

[opal mauve]

If they do it frequently it might just be luck lol

[thorn warren]

it is yeah

[steady carbon]

Yeah Mirage just likes to give me some funny rng

Whenever our alter Lyra is out she always gets masked enemies that are self aware somehow

XD

[opal mauve]

I've genuinely been tricked by Mirage mimics a couple of times

@thorn warren
https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/iayAQzqeN9fu_jsPt/d13370ZTmpeU?invite=cr-MSxERDYsMjI5OTY0ODMzLA

[thorn warren]

lol

[steady carbon]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HumbleTallLampNerfBlueBlaster-Rhdj0j6Nn_IkHKo7

[opal mauve]

it was there for 2 frames and I was dead

Epic gameplay

[thorn warren]

yeah nice cutoff

[steady carbon]

Lol

Btw @opal mauve speaking of Mirage, Wesley gets really good mimics too lol

https://clips.twitch.tv/LivelyCoweringShieldBudStar--c5Eepgq3IppVApJ

Love that "Come here!!!"

LOL

[opal mauve]

I've played with Wesley enough to know that Wesley masked are hilarious xD

[steady carbon]

They're fucking great

XD

https://clips.twitch.tv/LightJazzyAntelopeCoolStoryBro-ihPsF4MYGp6ar0ZX Still the best one we got lol

[opal mauve]

I'll have to play on Starlancer's moons sometime soon too, especially to try out StarlancerZero

Gotta figure out what the route word is though

[steady carbon]

https://clips.twitch.tv/BlindingTenaciousLaptop4Head-GvETOamEAE79cJ3k Mrov has his moments too lol

That's probably the funniest he's ever been, that day he was truly built different 😂

[lone roost]

aliright thank ye bro

[limpid portal]

I think I saw that it constantly goes toward the nearest employee, like a blob

[thorn warren]

It's weird behaviour, if there's multiple then there's a "master" barber that the other ones follow, not sure exactly how the master routes but it definitely picks the position it teleports to right after a jump

[idle tree]

Is the "master" still the only one that makes sound? Or was that changed before the update went live?

[thorn warren]

No idea

[idle tree]

I haven't tested it again😅 I'm hoping they all make sound now 😬

[thorn warren]

i hope so too lol

[limpid portal]

looking at the code, it sets its destination to a random spot within a certain distance of a player I think

private void DanceBeat()
    {
        if (stunNormalizedTimer > 0f)
        {
            return;
        }
        isJumping = true;
        jumpTimer = jumpTime;
        jumpCycle = !jumpCycle;
        creatureAnimator.SetBool("walkCycle", jumpCycle);
        if (!base.IsOwner)
        {
            return;
        }
        beatsSinceSeeingPlayer++;
        if (hasLOS && targetPlayer != null)
        {
            Vector3 vector = targetPlayer.transform.position;
            if (Physics.Raycast(targetPlayer.transform.position + Vector3.up * 0.5f, Vector3.down, out hit, 7f, StartOfRound.Instance.collidersAndRoomMaskAndDefault, QueryTriggerInteraction.Ignore))
            {
                vector = hit.point;
            }
            Vector3 onUnitSphere = Random.onUnitSphere;
            onUnitSphere.y = 0f;
            Ray ray = new Ray(vector, onUnitSphere);
            float distance = Vector3.Distance(base.transform.position, vector);
            vector = ((!Physics.Raycast(ray, out hit, distance, StartOfRound.Instance.collidersAndRoomMaskAndDefault, QueryTriggerInteraction.Ignore)) ? ray.GetPoint(distance) : hit.point);
            SetDestinationToPosition(vector);
        }
    }```

[limpid portal]

• StarlancerMusic v1.3.2
  • Optimizations to file size and load time for each song.

[limpid portal]

If I'm understanding the code correctly, MoldSpores (the bushes I guess?) only generate if a MoldAttractionPoint is present. The foxes use "SpawnFromWeeds", which is why they don't have to be in any SelectableLevel enemy spawn list

if (enemyType.spawnFromWeeds)
    {
        num3 = (int)Mathf.Clamp((float)num3 * ((float)num2 / 60f), 0f, 200f);
    }
    SpawnProbabilities.Add(num3);
    num += num3;```

So I think if an interior put a MoldAttractionPoint inside of its main entrance, it should spawn bushes inside I guess?

As for setting them to spawn inside on a moon via the spawn lists, I think adding that as a feature to AIFix might possibly be considered out of scope. I'd have to override the native AI's desire to seek out a weed patch (which would only spawn outside without a dedicated moldy interior). My first thought on how to do that would be forcibly instantiating an MAP inside at a random vent if a BushWolf entry is present on the interior spawnlist, but there's no guarantee as to whether or not it would properly pick a weed patch inside. For now I think it's best to just leave it as-is

Starlancer Moons v2.3.1

• StarlancerMoons v2.3.1
  • Added spread iterations and a non-zero start position for mold on the moons that have it. The numbers were pretty much randomly picked, so let me know if any shenanigans happen with them.
  • Fixed Triskelion's secret tool having been misplaced by the project update.

[thorn warren]

I wanna say you're wrong on that first assumption, but I'm not 100% sure either

I think mold spawns anyway, but it helps a lot having an attraction point, if u don't want mold to spawn though there's a bool

[limpid portal]

I'll have to look again, but I think the code specifies that if an MAP for whatever reason doesn't exist to delete any existing mold

[thorn warren]

I coulda sworn custom moons are growing mold currently

Mightve changed over beta patches

[lone roost]

still gotta find out what mold spread iterations and mold start position do

[autumn sundial]

went to solace for the first time in 2 quotas and mama mia that's a lot of weeds

[lone roost]

new grass species

[steady carbon]

Better buy some weed killer

lol

[limpid portal]

Welp, might have to tune it some lol

[opal mauve]

I would wait to tune it until LLL updates as I believe the weeds are a little fucky with LLL rn, they don't save properly and in my experience seem to be shared across modded moons

[idle tree]

I agree with Xu😅 I've seen mold on modded moons not updated yet. So somehow it's not needed🤷

[autumn sundial]

saw only one or two on some generic moons mods, then an entire hillside of bozoros completely covered in them. so they def spawn on any modded moon lol

[limpid portal]

Very strange lol

[spare hatch]

can someone just dm me the routing word for starlancer zero? I wanna add it to my modpack but only after I've playtested it a bit first to make sure it fits my balance

[slim heron]

||deez||

[fading yacht]

you can just view the source and ctrl-F "terminal" cant you

[lunar pumice]

Okay but someone fell for this at one point

[verbal rune]

coud someone pls dm me the routing word for the hidden moon? i would also like to playtest it for the modpack im building for my friends

[slim heron]

||deez||

[lunar pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-troll-smile-troll-face-trollge-stop-we-do-a-little-gif-11708995610297493733

[full sonnet]

Since updating LLL I can’t route to StarlancerZero, it just applies the Starlancer tag filter

Is anyone else having this issue?

[lone roost]

do you know the routing word?

[full sonnet]

Was it changed recently?

[lone roost]

i don't recall it being changed, so yeah it might be an lll issue

[full sonnet]

It may be because I swapped MoonUnlockUnhide for DisplayAllMoons

Which is the first mrov mod I found to be worse than the popular alternative

I’ll swap them back and try again

[idle tree]

The moon name isn't "StarlancerZero" like displayed

Like to route to it

[full sonnet]

That’s what I always routed with before 🤔 must’ve been the unlock mod

[lone roost]

oh yeah moonunlockunhide makes the routing word the moon name

[full sonnet]

Ahhh ok

[idle tree]

Want me to dm you the actual name? Or do you want to solve the puzzle?

[full sonnet]

Well that’s one potential issue to scratch off my list since all the new updates

[full sonnet]

Haha sure. I’m gonna swap back to MoonUnlockUnhide though

I’m boring I don’t care for the lore stuff

[idle tree]

Lmk if that works

[keen marsh]

oopsie 🥺

tbh i've made it in 30 minutes

so there's that

[steady carbon]

Tbf your mod also doesn't aim to change the routing name though and is much simpler there's already a mod for that extensiveness

[keen marsh]

oh well

that was something I've wanted to include in TerminalFormatter and it felt weird to

so it's a separate thing

too bad

[full sonnet]

I use like all your mods besides this one hehe

I just don’t like how it adds liquidation because I use malfunctions

So I could end up scuffed in a 1/74 chance if I get that malfunction lolol

which routes you to a random moon

[keen marsh]

wait what

it does that? 😳

huh I might have something to fix lol

[full sonnet]

Worth noting I use LQ for some global enemy configuration if you aren’t able to replicate the issue

Bc LQ scrubs moon info etc thought it worth noting in case there’s an interaction happening between then

[keen marsh]

could you send me your modpack code? I'll try to take a look later

[keen marsh]

I don't think that's it, but I'll check

[full sonnet]

Not at pc and I always export file if that’s coo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1261522076205056123/1266619795290329258/ChaosCompany_1722056081303.r2z?ex=66a5cf1b&is=66a47d9b&hm=05b6116f36fed28548ca849d4d9b65a3c049881626c1c09e6a442d5e3227e096&

[keen marsh]

thanks 🫡

[tender ember]

auralis breakable trees when 👀

[lunar pumice]

Me and the boys about to teach Auralis the meaning of the word “deforestation”

[limpid portal]

Idek how to implement them yet, but maybe I'll just put something to immediately destroy the cruiser upon contact instead

:3c

[thorn warren]

i think it's a script or smthn vanilla uses now

[plucky spindle]

iirc Generic and Wesley know if you'd like to ask em

[thorn warren]

also please describe the process in #dev-moons

[plucky spindle]

im p sure it IS just the script thing, i'll check pestilence thread cuz I recall it was first done there?

[plucky spindle]

here it is ûwû

[limpid portal]

Thanks!

[plucky spindle]

no prob!

it's all vanilla stuff thankfully, so you don't have to write anything

[deep quest]

@limpid portal would you be kind enough to upload photos to the TS page? need quick references for a massive mod pack I'm making

[limpid portal]

I'm currently out of town, but I will for the next update (TBD)

Can anyone share some tasty screenshots for me?

[deep quest]

ty

[fading yacht]

currently gives this error when combined with Mirage, i have narrowed it down to this mod

[whole meadow]

What is the difficulty rating of StarlancerZero moon? All the secrecy makes it hard to find the hard info when you do want it.

[limpid portal]

Very hard, literally every vanilla entity can spawn there

at least I think it's literal

[slim heron]

hmm... is there a way to draw from every moon mod to add their exclusive scraps to Zero?

tho that might be a desyncing nightmare

[limpid portal]

I guess technically I could grab a list of all registered scrap and dynamically swap out my selectable level scrap list for a flat chance for every scrap in a load order

But I have no idea how feasible it really is

[slim heron]

kk. just wondering if it were even possible XD

not really a requirement 🙂

[limpid portal]

Still a fun idea to think about 🤭

[slim heron]

ye

[formal thorn]

it's feasible but i have smarter ways you can do this

it's not directly supported by LLL (a moon requesting scrap and not the other way round) but im not the code police so feel free to mess with it in your own mod

[limpid portal]

Oh yeah?

[thorn warren]

you could probably just take all the scrap from allItemsList and filter the item proprties specifically to be "IsScrap", then you'd just inject it into your moon's item list on plugin load

[formal thorn]

nah ideally you'd fuck with their levelmatchingproperties

[thorn warren]

the moon's or the item's themselves?

[formal thorn]

items

[thorn warren]

you give all items non LLL and LLL LMP?

[formal thorn]

their unused but yes on the latter

ll x lll stuff is a little fucked rn i need to put some more events in LLL's initialisation system for hamunii to slide stuff in better

[thorn warren]

lol, but yeah i guess that would work pretty well

[formal thorn]

when do i pitch that ll now becomes dependent on LLL and just converts registries to extendedmods

[thorn warren]

when you make a PR doing all that

[formal thorn]

the dungeon mod i made probably took more time than that 😛

[thorn warren]

hey that means u CAN do this, i believe in you! good luck!

also if you're sure its LL's interaction with LLL that breaks shop items then yeah, otherwise fix it first

[limpid portal]

Doesn't sound terribly hard, but we'll see if I even feel like doing it next update 🤭

[slim heron]

when my question for the sake of curiosity turns into a fullblown discussion

[whole meadow]

I was meaning the difficulty value. Like S++ or what not, because Brutal Company Minus in this specific instance is why I wanted to know, but it's fine.

[limpid portal]

Oh my bad, it's a custom difficulty level "CORRUPTION DETECTED", so I'm not sure how it'd interact with BCM

[lunar pumice]

That’s the best though

It means you had a very good question!

[whole meadow]

Ah, well that's fine. It has an Other catch all

[limpid portal]

I'm finally doing some more music again 😇

[slim heron]

😄

[lunar pumice]

Ayyy

[limpid portal]

Here's a lil bit of what I've come up with. The poll requested HEAVY, so I hope this fits the bill so far

(please note this is sampled from Guitar Pro 7, not recorded instruments yet)

I love GP7, it makes composing so much easier for me ☺️

geez, this was 3 months ago 😭

[thorn warren]

damn

i remember when i was 3 months old

good times

[dark harness]

is it inteded that enemies like dogs and masks spawn like in the first hours of the day in Auralis?

we thought it would be a good place for the cruiser but everytime we tried a dog just appeared before we even start the engine

[limpid portal]

Auralis is meant to be very difficult. I don't know if you have anything further increasing the difficulty, but it's not unheard of for a few highly dangerous enemies to be on the surface when you land

[agile anchor]

Not really anything important, I just wanted to say: Triskelion is by far my favourite modded moon ever. It's so unique, and yet, feels right at home. It's amazing

[limpid portal]

Thank you so much for the kind words ✨

[limpid portal]

I wonder how many people still haven't found the item on Triskelion

[sharp snow]

oh? secret item?

[limpid portal]

It's a surprise tool that can help you survive

[lunar pumice]

I still haven’t managed to find it

I was like one of the first people to solve StarlancerZero (iirc within the first five?)

But can’t find the freaking item on Triskelion

One day I’ll just accidentally come across it and be so mad at myself lmfao

[limpid portal]

Starlancer Moons v2.3.2

• StarlancerMoons v2.3.2
  • Tweaked the navmesh on StarlancerZero to stop enemies from spawning in places that are detached from the rest of the navmesh.

[lunar pumice]

Ayy

[limpid portal]

Honestly, I think the thing that's really prevented people from seeing it is that it blends in pretty well with the industrial greyness of it all

[lunar pumice]

I’ve probably searched like everywhere BUT the place it is

Well in reality I’ve probably looked directly at it several times

[limpid portal]

Probably. You might've even thought it was just a prop lol

[lunar pumice]

If you include my StarlancerZero searching, I’ve probably spent like over an hour looking for it

[limpid portal]

It's nothing grand or anything, but here's a hint as to what it is, if you want it: ||bonk||

[lunar pumice]

Oh I already knew what it was

I just can’t find the darn thing

It’s more the fact that it’s been this long and I haven’t found it, rather than actually wanting the item

I think it’s pretty funny lol

[eager sedge]

It's pretty clutch where it's hidden. Has saved my hide on more than one occasion when I was being swarmed

Actually while it's on my mind. Is there some like, random collision geometry up in the air above the path to the hill fire exit on auralis? My friends and I have blown up on a handful of occassions when using jetpacks to go to that exit, and it's consistently been around the same area.

[limpid portal]

Congrats, you found the "Starlancer doesn't know what the hell keeps making people on jetpacks blow up" thing

[thorn warren]

You've gotten pretty good at doing code stuff for your mods, I'm surprised u didn't just dnspy what it looks for as a collission

I'll.see if I can figure it out

Okay it for sure does not trigger on IsTrigger box colliders

Now to find the layer

God, there's so many layers

[limpid portal]

Did you happen to die going over a tree?

[thorn warren]

0th, 3rd, 6th, 12th, 15th, 18th, 22nd, 25th, 30th

Those are all the possible layers it can collide with

I dont have unity up so I can't cross reference what layers those are

But I know 30 is the vehicle layer, you got a vehicle up there?

[limpid portal]

lmao

the reason I was asking about the tree

is that the stupid tree tops can generate navmesh

which is layer 15

[thorn warren]

Lol that's funny

[limpid portal]

specifically hand-placed ones

[thorn warren]

You'll have to change ur trees so I can cut em down eventually too 😔

[limpid portal]

yeah

I'll do a pass at all that after v60

[thorn warren]

That's fair

[limpid portal]

not one person has ever been able to say "hey, I was flying over some trees and blew up" 😭

[thorn warren]

Lol

What layer are your trees on?

[limpid portal]

8: Room

but it's the lil slice of navmesh that's apparently causing the collision

I suppose it "could" be the actual collider as well

but then why doesn't butting up again a wall cause explosions

[thorn warren]

Oh it can't collide with stuff like navmesh directly

It collided with collides ON the navmesh layer

[limpid portal]

oh

[thorn warren]

Unless the navmesh itself has a collider with that layer etc

All collisions are like collider based

Rigidbodies and colliders

[limpid portal]

I'll probably just shorten the colliders to where they don't stick away then

idk, problem for future Starlancer

[thorn warren]

Ye

Trueee

[eager sedge]

We tend to fly through the clearings so I dont think so. But maaaybe we grazed one of those or something?

[glossy plover]

ohh wait that item was a secret?

i honestly just found it once while beating up baboon hawks

[limpid portal]

To most people, yea 🤭

[limpid portal]

Mmk, regardless I'll clean up tree collisions later

[lunar pumice]

nervous sweating

[solid osprey]

help

ive tried everything including deleting the mod itself and physically deleting all the files and reinstalling but it wont load

[fading yacht]

did you clear the gale cache

[solid osprey]

i fixed it byu removing the starlancer moons folderr in the cache

couldnt find where it was at first

[limpid portal]

Starlancer Moons v2.3.3

• StarlancerMoons v2.3.3
  • Fixed the issue where some enemies were unable to spawn on any of my moons.

Now get Unity AWAY FROM ME
HISSSSSSSSS

[steady carbon]

Never, you are the best modder and we need you here forever c;

XD

[opal mauve]

So uh new moon wen

[fading yacht]

does this fix that error from mirage?

[steady carbon]

It probably will yeah

I imagine it's cus Masked enemies were broken on his moons

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-ghost-death-gif-27106641

[steady carbon]

Yeah it's fixed now

[opal mauve]

BTW, Starlancer, all of your moons are pretty conservative with scrap. Solace gives less scrap than most vanilla moons on a free moon, Triskelion is beat out by several vanilla free moons on average, and Auralis for its price is still beat out by Dine and Titan on average. I can send you the exact values from the tests I ran though the tests I ran may have a bit of variation cuz they're from my modpack. That said my modpack only has a handful of custom scraps so it should give a general idea still of balancing

Triskelion is the biggest offender since its beat out on average by free moons but has the threat level of a much higher moon

[slim heron]

honestly, i find Solace somewhat generous; especially with no (natural) ghost girls and jesters.
Triskelion has too many turrets for me to keep count on XD
Auralis i havent been to solo in a long while, but i remember finding lots of gold bars

[opal mauve]

I ran several tests where I landed on each moon 5 times and scanned, vanilla and modded, and the overall average on all three was lower than most other moons, vanilla and modded

Using TerminalFormatter so the scan value was actually accurate LMAO

Solace is admittedly easy enough though that the low scrap is overall fine

[slim heron]

yea, just needs a slight rating change

[opal mauve]

https://1drv.ms/x/c/ca31cc2f5e4efedb/Ee8F9cDTqOdNtGB4d5FlIaoBFCLQ14u-NIXflQos5uEoRA?e=5ReWqK

Some numbers for reference

Some of these numbers are outdated, for example Fray and Sierra were adjusted by Autumnis after I made this

Possibly Cambrian and Temper as well

And I severely adjusted USC Vortex after realizing how crap its scrap was for a 1000 cost moon

[limpid portal]

I'll keep that in mind for the next update after v60 hits

[opal mauve]

Sounds good Feel free to adjust it however you want to personally, or if you want my personal config / changes I can send those too, although they won't help with Triskelion since I just made Triskelion free for now in my pack

[silver portal]

hey, ive found all the secrets for the code, but is there a hint im missing somewhere that explains how to decipher it or what kind of code it is or something?

[slim heron]

||letter unscrambler||

[silver portal]

those are letters? XD

[slim heron]

https://tenor.com/view/principal-skinner-yes-seymour-skinner-the-simpsons-enthusiastic-yes-gif-15806751

[silver portal]

ok and where am i supposed to find said thing to do tht?

[slim heron]

https://tenor.com/view/bolt-movie-i-really-cant-talk-about-it-its-classified-secret-classified-gif-27552172

[silver portal]

ok, atleast tell me if its something i can find in game? xXD

[slim heron]

yes

[silver portal]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh

be back in a year XD

[steady carbon]

@limpid portal Are you gonna update the moons for V60 support? :3

Need the new enemy to spawn on them, the new interior, and the new scraps

[silver portal]

can i dm you a question?

[slim heron]

i aint givin the answer

[silver portal]

i dont want the answer XD

i have a specific question but i dont know if it will give things away for others when i ask it

[slim heron]

go ahead then

[limpid portal]

Bruh the update just dropped 😭

[steady carbon]

And? You updated your moons for V56 on like day 1 lol

🤭

Never know when you're gonna cook

[limpid portal]

Not quite yet, probably Monday after I record and publish the updated tutorial

[fading yacht]

not sure what the question is

[limpid portal]

Should the hidden moon be hidden

[idle tree]

I think one thing that could help would be more obvious clues to lead you towards the puzzle

Like if it didn't tell my group about it they would have had no idea it existed

[cursive palm]

I think it should be hidden, it reminds me of old school easter eggs. That said... you could use stuff like custom story logs like Harvest Moons is doing, right?

Me personally I reference the weird symbols with Emblem loading screen tips. My friends found it within a couple days.

There are ways for players to circumvent it being entirely hidden if people want it to be not entirely obscure.

[limpid portal]

Fair points

[fading yacht]

i don't mind if it remains hidden personally, but i wish it weren't so obfuscated. right now you don't even have the option of unhiding it through the LLL config, unless you're fine with seeing StarlancerZero instead of the actual name

[silver portal]

I second this, there doesnt need to be much more added

[steady carbon]

Hidden? I was hidden once...

[silver portal]

Personally, I think you should keep it hidden but add in a new personal log on triskelion or somewhere to find, that could state something like:

||Begin log CP:23Xf-1: "Exploration of the company sanctioned salvage site on Triskelion has led to the discovery of a partially corrupted star chart referencing an as yet unknown place titled StarlancerZero. Though much of the data was unrecoverable, we have learned the code to unlock the routing data can be found in pieces on various moons in the system. After we have finished searching here our plan is to head to Solace, perhaps we can find something there." End log||

[limpid portal]

I'll keep it in mind :3

[silver portal]

cool XDi might not be good at much but whipping up lore and things is something i can do on the fly haha

[limpid portal]

The little building on Solace might be a more intuitive place to find something like that, but I definitely like the vibe

[silver portal]

you make a fair point

[silver portal]

or on the bench, like they knew they were dying and recorded it for future people in a scenic spot

[lone roost]

putting too much trust in people actually reading the story logs

[silver portal]

well then thats there own fault haha the info is there they just need to read it XD

Failing that, you could have it autoplay an audio recording of the same thing on pick up

[orchid marlin]

the moon name being hidden in the terminal is annoying to me cuz i forget about it and never end up going to it lol

[silver portal]

i agree, it would be very helpful if the a hidden moons appeared as options in the terminal after youve been to them once

[tacit echo]

I use https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/DisplayAllMoons/

Doesnt give out the secret "passcode" so you still gotta do the story for that tho

At least makes me remember to go to it 😂

[orchid marlin]

also u cant preview the weather for it. so u have to buy it first

[fading yacht]

the thing is, the way its set up now forces you into only playing with it hidden. no other custom hidden moon does this. even if you're fine with enabling it to show in the terminal through LLL or another mod, despite the incorrect name, you still need to know the routing term in the first place to even route there. having the moon correctly registered in LLL with no terminal patch will spoil it for anyone looking at the config, but it allows for way more flexibility in terms of customization

[limpid portal]

I'll wait until the vote concludes and proceed from there, but I appreciate all the feedback

[limpid portal]

Alrighty, I'll figure something out

[lunar pumice]

Maybe some kind of config toggle

[limpid portal]

Hmm, that might be the best solution actually. Allows people to have it obfuscated if they want, or give up and have it handed to them 🤭

Alternatively I just rename it from StarlancerZero to its actual name and let people look in the config if they so desire

(but keep it hidden as is)

Other thought: Instead of having to do it ARG-style, maybe I'll just make it so that looking at the symbols displays the letter

[idle tree]

Can't you just have something in the script where if the moon isn't hidden it just is in the list with it's actual name or better yet allow routing to it with StarlancerZero

that way you could keep the name hidden if you wanted for the people who want the puzzle

[silver portal]

i feel like this and my personal log suggestion put together would be the best idea 😉

[fading yacht]

i like this

[opal mauve]

Honestly seeing StarlancerZero in the terminal always bothered me

It just doesn't fit as a Lethal Company moon name even if it's cool

[teal nimbus]

Solance is perfect for company cruiser

meanwhile

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/877778868830879814/1275925870787432448/lethal_company.exe_2024.08.21_-_21.50.59.09.DVR.mp4?ex=66c7aa11&is=66c65891&hm=111410a47cf9aca8aebf91f5763a14172264792cc25e2c94ce9f396652f45f96&

[lunar pumice]

Pffft

[limpid portal]

New moon tutorial is live
https://youtu.be/mZSg_R3UTak

[rustic briar]

i love the mystery that comes with StarlancerZero, i havent explored it myself, but because im creating a modpack for my friends and i, what kind of moon is it?

i want to know if i should enable the giants from giant specimens, or disable if it doesnt suit

if its similar to vow where there are lots of tree type scenery and a giant would fit into it, i will add them, but otherwise, i disable usually

[eager sedge]

There are normal giants there, if I recall. Zero's scenery doesn't match anything else from either starlancer or the base game though, that's all I'll say.

[limpid portal]

It is in such a theme that literally everything and anything should be enabled

I recommend it

[silver portal]

its literally the only planet in my mod pack where everything can spawn

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/as-mother-nature-intended-interview-the-usual-nick-offerman-conan-gif-3578466

[silver portal]

your god damn right

[meager imp]

how exactly do you find out the starlancerzero routing word?
i dont exactly want the answer i just wanna know if its hinted at anywhere inside of the other starlancer moons (auralis, triskelion, solace)

kinda like how adamance points to artifice

or where else to look

i want to find it myself but im playing on such a big modpack idfk where to go

or where to start exactly

[subtle ginkgo]

||It’s a language that is symbols||

||And you find the symbols||

[meager imp]

so the symbols are inside the moons somewhere

and you have to translate them to letters?

[subtle ginkgo]

||Search Inter Galactic Translator on google||

[meager imp]

oh my fucking god

its

||the enchantment table||

ok so i guess i look for these symbols on the moons then

[subtle ginkgo]

||yep||

[meager imp]

thanks buddy

[subtle ginkgo]

[meager imp]

just a question

do the interiors matter?
cuz i specifically bumped triskelion's warehouse chance from 100 to 300

auralis has a 300 warehouse chance naturally and i didnt change solace's interior

[limpid portal]

Only for StarlancerZero. Literally everything should have a chance there.

[meager imp]

the way its been described kinda scares me

and uhh

i have like 500,000 interiors lol so making them ALL available on starlancerzero seems like its gonna be a lot of chaos and fun

i have:
scoopy's variety mod
wesley's interiors
Unreal and UT99 interiors
Mental Hospital
LC_Office
MinecraftInteriors
Black Mesa Interior
Xen Interior
LethalAperture Interior
StarlancerWarehouse
PoolRooms

the catch is that

all of the custom interiors i dedicated to a singular specific moon in the "Greater Network" (subclass i made with lethalconstellations)

so their specific moon has a 300 spawn rate for that interior

black mesa, xen, aperture, and both mc moons are in the "Wormhole Network" though since theyre based off of other IPs

but still thats a ton of interiors starlancerzero is gonna be a MESS LOL

[limpid portal]

Once you land, you'll understand :3c

[lunar pumice]

It’s a banger moon though

[opal mauve]

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/iATsnzeFbgPT9CPZM/d1337EoK1gZJ?invite=cr-MSxyY1UsMjQyMTgxNTc3LA

@limpid portal I demand compensation for my lost cup

[steady carbon]

Lmao

[limpid portal]

Absolutely. Head to The Company, ring the bell 10 times and yell "CUPPPPP" and your compensation will be dispensed

[opal mauve]

Will do

[steady carbon]

LOL

[limpid portal]

I honestly don't know why that happens. The collision should be pretty tight on everything so nothing should be preventing you from grabbing it

[thorn warren]

I guess collision isn't tight enough

[opal mauve]

Tell that to my cup

[limpid portal]

Backing up the project now, gonna work on stuff today

[lunar pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[limpid portal]

Welp, I have everything in a new project, but I'm gonna have to go through and fix missing references and whatnot, so update probably won't be coming until later this week at the earliest

[limpid portal]

Just wanna let y'all know I'm aware of v64 hitting main, but I'm dealing with some mental health stuff rn so it might be a bit before I put out an update. I still have to finish setting up the newly-patched project before I can add anything

[steady carbon]

I mean there weren't any huge significant changes in V64

So don't stress too much

[tame holly]

is the moon starlancerzero supposed to be quiet? I can hear my footsteps and all, but that's it when I go to that moon

[tame holly]

hello?

[limpid portal]

Sorry, been a busy day. There should be some ambience, I'll check it for the next update, ty for the report

[tame holly]

I'll try the moon with no other mods and see if it's my modpack. It seems like there might be some ambience around the ship in the little crater its in but I only hear my footsteps when leaving that crater. Sorry for the rushed "hello?" I should've been more patient 🙏

[limpid portal]

You're fine! ✨

[opal mauve]

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/iFvmhZfKJxjV6Jh0x/d1337pZ1BRW7?invite=cr-MSxFUU8sMjQyMTgxNTc3LA

[lunar pumice]

I have yet again found a very niche high up collision issue

In the warehouse interior, the stairs tile has no collision on the ceiling

[limpid portal]

Nyoom

[limpid portal]

Damn stairs

[formal thorn]

nitpicky but i don't like that that one moon has no space in it's name 😠

[steady carbon]

It went through the wall

Lol

[limpid portal]

StarlancerZero?

[formal thorn]

yeee

[idle tree]

It's not even the name to route to it lol

[formal thorn]

i know

[limpid portal]

I'll consider changing it :P

StarlancerZeroToAnnoyBatby

[formal thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-computer-mad-angry-gif-18413956748387057285

[steady carbon]

Inb4 Batby adds a hidden change to LLL that spawns a ton of enemies on you

XD

only on Starlancer

🤭

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/nothing-gif-4351577

[green plaza]

I’m

Alive

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-friends-its-alive-gif-13008629

[steady carbon]

Need moons update

Need interior update

😦

Your abandoned children are sad lol

[limpid portal]

I'll have updates out this week, I promise ^^

[steady carbon]

Hooray

[steady carbon]

I shall no longer have to hear them crying about how daddy abandoned them 🤭

I'm sorry

Lmfao

[limpid portal]

🤭

[plucky spindle]

what needs updating on em?

[steady carbon]

V60+ stuff

[plucky spindle]

so man eater, mineshaft chances and the new scrap?

or is anything breaking?

cuz if it's just the new content you can just kinda.. add that yourself, no need to beg for an update lol

[steady carbon]

Lol and the projects needing updated too which is always important, the Interior needs some fixes for the Apparatus vanishing on lobby reload and not actually awaking old birds, there's a tile that sometimes has an uninteractable secure door, another tile that sometimes has turrets in the wall

[plucky spindle]

yeh but that's like, the interior

moons are fine and shouldn't be prioritized in my opinion

• there's not gonna be any lc updates in a long ass time so, there''s also 0 rush on that side

[lunar pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-happy-yippee-creature-yippee-meme-yippee-gif-gif-1489386840712152603

[steady carbon]

Tbh I have a lot of other moons that update frequently and have moons packages frequently adding new moons that add their own weights for mineshaft so tbh the reason I don't like manually injecting things is due to this reason

I generally dislike altering anything in LLL or CC relating to the vanilla interior weights

[plucky spindle]

yeah I just don't see much of a reason to rush audioknight on dat when you could just do that yourself,

[plucky spindle]

meh, fair enough

[steady carbon]

Adding the enemies would be easy, scraps idk cus some moons explode if you alter that

[plucky spindle]

Interior stuff I get though

[steady carbon]

I just like seeing Starlancer update his stuff I know [Redacted] has some bugs that need fixed for example

Enemies just ignoring the rocks near the fire exit area is a pretty funny one for example

Kidnapper fox just casually going through the rocks to go to the ship instead of the portal

XD

[lunar pumice]

and that one tile without a solid ceiling I found lol

[steady carbon]

Forgot about that

[plucky spindle]

ye which is why I get the interior stuff

[lunar pumice]

tbf it had zero gameplay impact

i’m just a silly little guy and find weird issues that nobody should reasonably encounter lol

[limpid portal]

@lunar pumice you do love to find missing collision 🤭

[lunar pumice]

It’s truly my defining character trait

[hoary geyser]

the Apparatus fix might not be the network object thing that was mentioned before

from what I found anyways

[limpid portal]

I'll be opening up Unity later today :3c

[noble leaf]

This pic goes hard

[steady carbon]

The goat is returning 🔥

[limpid portal]

Ughhhh so many broken references 🤭

[steady carbon]

Don't forget when you work on Warehouse to properly rename and register your Apparatus btw, like Wesley had to do

So it stops getting deleted on lobby reload

[limpid portal]

Moons are priority, but will definitely address that

Should have them updated tomorrow

And then I'll work on Warehouse

[limpid portal]

What do mean uninteractable secure door? Like it doesn't display a code?

[limpid portal]

Has anyone ordered a cruiser on Triskelion yet?

[slim heron]

https://tenor.com/view/how-did-i-never-think-of-it-before-its-so-obvious-south-park-s13e5-fish-sticks-gif-23033514

[limpid portal]

I really wanna see a clip of some chaos lol

[tepid palm]

I have one of a friend in the cruiser vs. the outside bracken on Auralis

[limpid portal]

I'll always appreciate clips featuring my stuff :D

[tepid palm]

i will get them once they are compressed

[lunar pumice]

I really need to set up one of those clip programs for Lethal Company

[tepid palm]

The way how the ball of Bracken remains drops from the sky after a delay
Oh yeah, and it was a meteor shower

[lunar pumice]

PFFT

[slim heron]

a weapon to surpass Metal Gear Bracken

[lunar pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-rule-rules-rule156-156-gif-23702596

I accidentally tapped a random GIF and the fact that it worked is hilarious

[slim heron]

157, disregard 156

[lunar pumice]

https://tenor.com/view/content-warning-goku-rule-157-gif-1202177690755341461

[noble leaf]

Naaaaah that's an actual warzone Temmie is driving through
With the fire, the music and the demon hunting for them 😭

[limpid portal]

Impeccable

[limpid portal]

Nearing completion on the moons update, but it'll be tomorrow. Still finding missing references and I wanna be sure and eliminate all potential errors on my end. Here's the preview for the patch notes thus far (subject to change):

• 2.4.0
  • Updated the moons to v64.
    • Added new interior chance and enemies to Auralis, Solace, Triskelion, and of course [REDACTED].
  • Trees are now breakable on Auralis, Solace, and [REDACTED].
  • Mushrooms have slightly grown on Solace.
  • Carved away the errant navmesh underneath the rocks on [REDACTED] to hopefully prevent enemies from phasing through them.
  • Relocated some doors on [Redacted] to keep things fresh.
  • The clues related to StarlancerZero ([REDACTED]) now display text when hovering over them to make it easier to figure out the routing word.
    • Changed the location of one symbol on Triskelion so that it can be approached properly to display the text.

[lunar pumice]

Hype

[steady carbon]

Ooh

[lunar pumice]

Will you be changing the ||note on Auralis|| since a key is no longer needed?

[limpid portal]

Slightly, since it still needs to be present to indicate that there's a secret

[lunar pumice]

I still remember working all night to solve it when the moon released

Easily one of my coolest experiences with the game, honestly.

Since I was one of the first to solve it, there wasn’t really much room for help so outside of a hint or two you gave me bc I messed up at one point, so I was on my own (well, me and the friend I was in a call with who was watching).

[steady carbon]

I wonder how much trouble your interior has been giving you, I hope not too much

[slim heron]

thanks for working so hard on your legendary lineup, my dude

[lunar pumice]

fr, your hard work is definitely appreciated!

[limpid portal]

None yet, since I haven't gotten to it yet 🤭

Thank you all for enjoying my work! ^^

[lone roost]

MUSHROOM!

[steady carbon]

I mean you're the goat for a reason ^^

[rich glade]

Can somebody confirm the presence of a Blue Apparatus in the Starlancer Warehouse? I am doing research on the Apparatus collection.

[plucky spindle]

can confirm

[rich glade]

Do you know of any other Apparatus types across the other interior mods?

[plucky spindle]

Grand Armory (Toxic Apparatus)
Toystore (Pink Apparatus)
Liminal Pools (Custom Apparatus)
Cozy Office (Monitor)
Sector 0 (Custom Apparatus?)
Xen Interior (Custom Apparatus)
Black Mesa Interior (Custom Apparatus)
Scarlet Devil Mansion (Painting)
Synthesis (Moon, Orange Apparatus)

[tepid palm]

I remember the Bunker had a green apparatus, if that's an interior thats even used anymore

[rich glade]

SDM's one is hilarious, and I found that one out the hard way

[rich glade]

I hear it's deprecated, so no luck getting it integrated into my modpack that easily... though I would have liked to try it. Is the Grand Armory Apparatus at least green like that one?

[plucky spindle]

yeah it's green

[rich glade]

Also I greatly appreciate your contribution to the company.

[plucky spindle]

i think it's also the most valuable of them all

[tepid palm]

Ah dont bother then yeah

[rich glade]

Also what colors are the Black Mesa and Xen Apparatuses?

[plucky spindle]

I'm fairly sure they're different items entirely and just function like apparatice

[rich glade]

Oh... well nevermind then.

[plucky spindle]

but there's no screenshots for the black mesa one, the xen one is a crystal I think

[rich glade]

I'd imagine the Black Mesa "Apparatus" would also be a crystal or something

[idle tree]

Yeah it's a Xen Crystal

[rich glade]

I was planning on collecting any Apparatus with a default Apparatus model, but different colors like they were Chaos Emeralds.

[plucky spindle]

oh that's really funny actually

OIH RIGHT synthesis has its own apparatus aswell

[rich glade]

https://tenor.com/view/shadow-the-hedgehog-shadow-sonic-adventure2-sa2-sonic-gif-25101633

My goal

Become Super Employee and defeat the Company Beast

[rich glade]

Any info on the Sector 0 Apparatus? I've seen a video where there's a HUGE apparatus, but you can't really move that one...

[plucky spindle]

I put a question mark in cuz Im not entirely sure if it's an actual thing

I did see people talking about apparatuses in sector 0 but I haven't seen the one you're supposed to take out

[rich glade]

Hmm, so if we're going off color, I think we have at least Seven like the Chaos Emeralds:

Red = LC Office
Yellow Orange = Synthesis
White = Default Facility
Green = Grand Armory
Blue = Starlancer Warehouse
Aqua = Liminal Pools
Purple Pink = Toy Store

[plucky spindle]

this is actually giving me ideas lmao

[rich glade]

It'd be neat to actually transform into Super Employee upon collecting all of the above Apparatuses and then going to Gordion to fight the Company Monster

Or just use it to wreck house on any moon you're on.

[slim heron]

there is a purple apparatus tho. Cosmocos 🙂

[limpid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/it-does-not-exist-data-star-trek-the-next-generation-its-not-real-gif-23507434

[limpid portal]

My moons have decent amounts of interior spawns, yeah?

As in

Vanilla interior enemies

[slim heron]

got a new name for your apparatus yet? .3.

[limpid portal]

Haven't started on Warehouse yet :P

[slim heron]

mk

cough Fluorescent Apparatus cough
sorry. forgot my allergy med today

[limpid portal]

gesundheit

[slim heron]

gracias señor

[limpid portal]

That's not a bad name tho

Though I was just thinking maybe "Cobalt Apparatus"

[slim heron]

that works, too

[limpid portal]

now if someone wants to make one that's absolutely BLINDING I think fluorescent would fit perfectly 🤭

[slim heron]

[limpid portal]

Alright, got everything loading with no errors at least. But trees aren't breaking 🤔

[limpid portal]

Okay, I've figured it out

My break trigger collider was too small 🤭

Oh good, terrain painted trees don't break 🙃 I'll have to place every tree manually

I'm just gonna do that next update

cuz that's gonna be very tedious

[limpid portal]

Update coming soon

[steady carbon]

Hoorah!!

[limpid portal]

Starlancer Moons v2.4.0

• StarlancerMoons v2.4.0
  • Updated the moons to v64.
    • Added new vanilla content to Auralis, Solace, Triskelion, and of course [REDACTED].
    • I've figured out how to make trees breakable, but I'll have to manually replace every terrain-painted tree, so that mechanic will be implemented in a future update.
  • Mushrooms have slightly grown on Solace. How fun(gi).
  • Opened the gates on Solace slightly to facilitate easier cruiser access.
  • Removed an errant tree from the mansion grounds on Solace that was sticking out of the back porch. Unsure how long that's been there.
  • Carved away the errant navmesh underneath the rocks on [REDACTED] to hopefully prevent enemies from phasing through them.
  • Relocated some doors on [Redacted] to keep things fresh.
  • Adjusted the reverb (reverb - reverb - reverb) of the special area on [Redacted].
  • The clues related to StarlancerZero ([REDACTED]) now display text when hovering over them to make it easier to figure out the routing word.
    • Changed the location of one symbol on Triskelion so that it can be approached properly to display the text.
  • Renamed the water shader being used for my moons.
  • Updated dependencies.
  • Added screenshots to the description.

*Non-capitalized [REDACTED]*
Dammit, I always do something wrong with my changelog 🤭

Also, I love how many people STILL haven't found the item on Triskelion

[steady carbon]

We'll update your stuff on stream as soon as it's available :3

Exciteeeeddd

[orchid marlin]

im a bit surprised nobody's made a mod that makes the company drill get powered by apparatus and unlocks a new moon, like the golden planet or something

would be a sick mod

obv zeekerrs is gonna do that soon anyways

but a mod to predict what hes gonna add would be cool

[limpid portal]

Might be a while before any more significant updates, since I read he's been feeling burnt out on LC

[orchid marlin]

yea ik

i bet that drill thing is gonna be worked on by 1.0 lc tho

[rich glade]

Yeah, 1.0 is definitely gonna be when we blow up The Company. My friend said it looked like a bomb, not a Drill, and it seems to me more like a Battering Ram that requires power, so it seems more like a bomb to us.

We're gonna blow up the Company Monster

[limpid portal]

LC is such a weird game

[slim heron]

... item?

[rich glade]

Do you have a picture of it?

[slim heron]

nope. just go thru an indoor fi- OOF i mean best of luck finding it ^^

[limpid portal]

:3c

[rich glade]

I don't believe you

[slim heron]

i dont believe in santa 🙂

[lunar pumice]

I’m feeling called out rn

[limpid portal]

I was thinking of you when I posted that

[hoary heath]

hello, I am having issues with outdoor mobs in Dust2 moon where the outdoor mobs are clipping under the floor, when we checked in poltergeist's free cam they are apparently walking on terrain/skybox thingie? is this a thing?

[slim heron]

that's a moon issue, not enemy escape

[hoary heath]

oh so dust2 is doomed then since Idk if it will even get another update

[slim heron]

i guess

[lunar pumice]

PFFT

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[noble leaf]

There's a what

[rich glade]

[tepid palm]

I got impaled on the fence to Solace by the Driftwood giant @thorn warren
I was being greedy for the crates

[thorn warren]

LMAO

literally skewered head to ass

[plucky spindle]

oh my lord

[tepid palm]

This is unironically what i envisioned the 3rd giant would do to you if it got you
The cactus one or whatever

Do this and then make a teammate come free you

[rich glade]

Speaking of Solace, is it an okay moon to use the Cruiser?

[plucky spindle]

decently smooth terrain and I think in the update you can now park the car on the front yard of the mansion

[rich glade]

Nice

Ever since I tried the Scarlet Devil Mansion's moon, I figured that most Cruiser-friendly moons should either be cheap or free to encourage crews to buy the Cruiser for it instead.

What about Auralis and Triskelion?

[limpid portal]

Damn, what a shot

[limpid portal]

Definitely purchase a cruiser on Triskelion

You won't regret it

[rich glade]

I'll be sure to lower the admission price because I tend to lose my cruiser a lot.

1. Because my friend can't drive, and

2. Because I never return alive when I use it.

[tepid palm]

https://tenor.com/view/thing-getting-impaled-idk-what-is-this-thing-impaled-pinyata-me-when-i-get-you-gif-5694388406811955645

[limpid portal]

There are screenshots in the readme now

[lunar pumice]

Bro got the bullseye

[noble leaf]

Oh that's agonising to watch lol

[tepid palm]

Pain

[whole meadow]

is it just me, or does Solace feel more like a C or maybe D not a B? Maybe update it? food for thought.

[rich glade]

One of my blue apparatus disappeared on game launch...

There was a weird thing happening where I grabbed it after my friend grabbed it and my controls froze except walking around

[tepid palm]

In my pack i did change it to that in LQ, since yeah the whole point is there is very little inside and outside enemies

The rankings in vanilla are kinda arbitrary and dont matchup well imo, so you could argue it fits well lol

[noble leaf]

Experimentation is ranked B for example

in vanilla, when the biggest threat you'll ever face is usually a single spider inside lols

[random mesa]

Hello, is there standalone mods for each moon of the pack?

[tepid palm]

No
The biggest threat you will face is boredom and no loot

[noble leaf]

How dare you! Tattered Metal Sheet is the greatest loot there ever is!

[limpid portal]

There is not, but the package size is pretty well optimized if that's your concern

[rich glade]

Lies, the biggest threat I'll ever face is a surprise Centipede to the face. No more, no less.

On another note, I had an issue earlier about the Blue Apparatus bugging the hell out when I grabbed it in my ship after my friend grabbed it, then after I realized that my controls were freaking out and wouldn't respond, I had my friend teleport me to make me drop the Apparatus, and it was on the floor, but when I left and reconnected later, the Apparatus was gone.

[tepid palm]

That kinda stuff i always gamble or feed to the vending machine

[limpid portal]

Once I get around to updating Warehouse, the apparatus issue should be fixed

[tepid palm]

(Mind you, when me and my group played bingo one of our challenges was to leave more scrap on exp.'s interior than there was upon arrival, double it value and then leave without it)

[noble leaf]

LC Bingo... gotta try that some time, sounds like a "great" time :)

[tepid palm]

Its very fun! We had Xu join us for our second one
I should get all the favourite mod devs to play, we will get Starlancer to join us for the sillies

But i need to make more challenges for all the cruiser, new creatures and other mod stuff like Surfaced n all that

[thorn warren]

yeah the bingo was pretty fun lol

im hoping to get the CR update out soon for any upcoming bingo's you guys do

im almost done too

[tepid palm]

YIPPEE

[slim heron]

cant wait to have it in 4 months 😄

||(/j)||

[limpid portal]

~~Unity takes so long to open ; w ; ~~

[slim heron]

https://tenor.com/view/mala-mishra-jha-pat-head-cute-sparkle-penguin-gif-16770818

as long as the Warehouse Apparatus no longer despawns on file load, you can take all the time you need. oh and your other planned stuff too, of course 🙂

[limpid portal]

Testing out the new terrain to mesh plugin, here's some before and after pics from Solace. Tulip snakes also seem to be functioning now.

[lone roost]

are the trees not using the shaders?

[limpid portal]

They were converted by TerraMesh, but I think maybe I need to adjust their materials

[lone roost]

even before using terramesh, they don't look like they're having the shaders applied

the rock is very foggy but the trees match the fog of the unmeshed terrain

[limpid portal]

I'll see what I can do, ty for noticing it

I think it was the "Receive Global Illumination" setting in the mesh renderer. The trees were set to Light Probes whereas the rock was set to Lightmap

Testing in a few

[rich glade]

Tulip Snakes are great for getting to the second floor.

[limpid portal]

I've had reports that the snakes don't work on Solace, they've been working for you?

Testing on Auralis, FPS seems to be more stable than it was originally

With Terrain, it would bounce between 180-200, with Mesh it seems consistently in the upper 190s

[rich glade]

Last time I played on Solace, they had no problem climbing onto my head and flapping their wings.

[limpid portal]

@steady carbon the snakes become more confusing

Also, think I found the actual problem with the tree fog, the trees weren't set to be fully static meshes

[lone roost]

i have plenty of stuff on my moons that i believe aren't marked static, but the shaders work on them fine

[tepid palm]

If they was frozen in place, there is a bug with 2-story ship (combined with JLL from my experience), where outside enemies couldnt move on modded moons with those mods combined (for me it also had to be a JLL interior), which is fixed by blacklisting the 2-story ship's navmesh changes for said moons in its config
For me they chase just fine when set like this
Others have said it isnt JLL-specific interiors but any interiors, so it varies slightly
Eitherway using the navmesh blacklist for 2-story ship fixes the issue, if they're using that mod

[lunar pumice]

Solace my beloved

[limpid portal]

Odd. I'm not sure what the issue is then, except maybe just the fact that they're using custom shaders

But the trees on Auralis are using the same shaders and they seem to work fine, so I have no idea

@lone roost Static-izing them seems to have worked lol

[lone roost]

dearie me

looks great

[limpid portal]

ty

I might tone down the fog a lil now lol

[lone roost]

the sprite grass and leaves is what's missing the fog here

[limpid portal]

damn, you're good at noticing and like, actually registering these things, my brain is simply not functioning right now lmao

Gonna try setting them to transparent instead of opaque, here's the in editor preview of the change

[slim heron]

opaque may be more fps friendly, if yer trying to avoid that type of feedback...

[limpid portal]

True, but if it's between receiving fog or not, my moons are already pretty well optimized, so it could handle a minor fps loss

I have LODs set up for most of the foliage as well, which should further mitigate it

Seems like it worked for the trees, but the foliage is being stubborn >:|

[limpid portal]

nvm, trees are still wonky

the trunks accept the fog just fine, but the leaves say no

[limpid portal]

Okay, so it turns out

StarlancerZero's fps was destroyed by replacing the terrain with a mesh lmao

Alright, I may not be transferring over to meshes

Fog doesn't work well (that I can figure out) for the foliage on Solace which makes it horribly mismatch with the "properly" shaded terrain

The Auralis fps stabilization might have been a coincidence

And S0's fps got annihilated ; w ;

[lone roost]

so sad, the screenshots looked good

[limpid portal]

Yeah, S0 will definitely stay terrain, but Auralis and Solace I really want to work properly bc of the mesh trees

[tame holly]

something wrong with starlancer moons? D:

[limpid portal]

Nothing major, a few things I missed in the transition to the new project, but the mesh trees would be great bc I wouldn't need to manually place them

[limpid portal]

Hold, might have figured something out

tree leaves are working, just gotta figure out the dumb grass

[lunar pumice]

As long as Solace has the beautiful lighting

[limpid portal]

I think the issue is that terrain can't receive fog due to the lighting setup not having deferred rendering?

Soooo, might have to just bite the bullet and hand-place the grass

[limpid portal]

Gonna try out a downloadable tool from Unity to see if it'll make my life easier, will report back. Even if it doesn't, probably not spending too much more time on this today, I really wanna play a game instead of beating my head against the wall with this 😭

[limpid portal]

Okay, Polybrush will be my lord and savior tomorrow 🤭

[fading yacht]

the best feeling ever is being stuck on something for hours and then finding some obscure free unity tool made by a random dude that just does exactly what you need it to do

[limpid portal]

It's actually just an official Unity tool that you can download via the package manager

It's not the most fantastic thing ever, but it let's me paint meshes onto the landscape at least

Not quite the level of control that I had in the detail mesh painter tho

[lone roost]

I NEED THAT

THE TERRAIN DETAIL MESHES DON'T WORK FOR ME

I'VE HAD TO MANUALLY PLACE 200 TREES

[lunar pumice]

💀

[junior canyon]

I dunno how people dont manually place objects

You don't really have control over where all the details are

If you don't manually place them

[limpid portal]

@junior canyon@lone roost Polybrush instantiates meshes, so afterwards you can move them around manually

[junior canyon]

I like the workflow of duplicating and moving stuff to where I want it

[limpid portal]

perfectly valid lol

[formal thorn]

Make sure your tree materials are gpu instanced

[limpid portal]

They are, the trees were mesh from earlier on, so the only thing that would be changing is the terrain itself, no trees or details

[formal thorn]

can i see the material on the terrain + the inspector of the terrain object?

[limpid portal]

It'll have to wait til tomorrow, but yea I'll post it next time I'm in Unity

[steady carbon]

StarlancerZero's fps drops could just be cus of an underlying issue too, when passing that barrier to go to the fire exit area and back there is lag too, and it also tends to lag later on once some enemies have spawned, so maybe meshifying the terrain is revealing something so yeah hopefully Batby can help you ^^

Cus it shouldn't be doing that I don't think

[limpid portal]

Regular terrain vs meshed terrain
160 fps vs 115-ish

[limpid portal]

Yeahhhh the barrier lag is kinda unavoidable because it's blending two post processing volumes lol

[fading yacht]

how many verts is the mesh terrain?

[limpid portal]

I'll check in a bit, currently re-foliage-ing Solace

[limpid portal]

Hm, judging by Solace's vert count, I'm gonna say probably too high

thanks for the insight

[fading yacht]

terramesh thread says under 100k to be comparable to vanilla performance and that most vanilla terrain meshes are 20k-30k

[thorn warren]

give the number smh, am curious

[limpid portal]

255k lol

oddly enough that didn't tank my performance, so the StarlancerZero one must be way worse

I'll adjust settings to fix it later, this foliage painting is hell

[thin loom]

I think the terrain renderer does LOD in zones or something doesn't it? maybe that explains the difference in perf

very interesting to me that it's so drastic though

there's probably a lot less work for the GPU to do when it can work with a heightmap vs a whole single mesh

[limpid portal]

Probably, but I think the sheer vertex count is probably the biggest issue

I've got 10x or more than vanilla going on 🤭

[thin loom]

due to the size of the area?

[limpid portal]

that and just not really tweaking the TerraMesh settings

[thorn warren]

just imagine how much more complaining about fps would be here if u tweaked the terra mesh settings to be worse

😔

a dream come true

[formal thorn]

for starters that can absolutely be a static shadow mesh caster

also, does your terrain even actually need to cast shadows?

(It could, I actually don't know)

[limpid portal]

There's some hilly areas that benefit from the shadow eye candy

[formal thorn]

And yeah big vert diff will deff make it worse too

[limpid portal]

plus sunrise/sunset

[formal thorn]

If you wanna be cheaky you absolutely don't need a fully detailed terrain mesh for those kinds of shadows 😄

[limpid portal]

True 🤭 but I'll mess around with it more later and see how much I can decimate the mesh before it starts to visually degrade

[thin loom]

the purpose of this is just to get the posterization filter to apply to terrain?

[formal thorn]

Mostly I believe

I think hdrp fog plays abit nicer with it too?

[limpid portal]

mostly the filter yeah, but fog does affect it differently as a mesh

[thin loom]

sounds like it's got the wrong render queue

[formal thorn]

And if we wanna be freaks about it it does open the door for mods to mess with runtime mesh cutting..

[thin loom]

can't that be done through modifying the terrain maps?

or is it baked?

[formal thorn]

That's more pushing and pulling at best, no?

In theory with a mesh you could dynamically put proper holes into levels

if you were doing weird weather stuff or similar

[thin loom]

as I understand it, the terrain thing has a way to make holes using an alpha channel

feels like people are jumping onto this bandwagon pretty fast for it being largely unproven

at least from what I've seen in the thread

seems a little concerning to me

[formal thorn]

its what zeekerss does

he just uses a paid asset

[thin loom]

oh, the vanilla moons use meshes?

I see

[formal thorn]

ye

in fairness he actually had to

non gpu instanced terrains mixed with his post process shader overwelm the cpu and hard crash unity

he didnt know you could set them to instanced to make them viable

uses this https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/terrain/terrain-to-mesh-195349?srsltid=AfmBOorwGjuqL-6cFvM5D0LuUmi2Jp0hMTp7bX2XuBtZs_f6LOzH7DIi

[thin loom]

I see I see

hmm, I still wonder about the render queue, I feel like this shouldn't be necessary to make posterization apply

it really sounds like it's rendering after the after opaques pass

[formal thorn]

oh it absolutely shouldn't be

[thin loom]

right, but what I mean is that there's probably a knob to turn for that

but I think that maybe voxx has other reasons to want mods to use this, since as I understand it their blizzard weather effects kinda require a mesh

not entirely sure on that

if people are able to get acceptable performance though, it's probably fine

splitting the terrain up for LOD purposes seems like a pretty big boon to me, but maybe it's not really necessary

[tame holly]

there is a blizzard weather? I know about vanilla paid moons but is there a modded blizzard??

[thin loom]

not yet, it's a WIP

#1268919667347427390

[wispy nimbus]

There is a bug in Unity that prevents Custom Passes working on instanced terrains, so they wouldn't be viable for his filter.
They are also a bit screwed up in a sense that you cannot even apply any other material to them other than the default one (in an instanced regime). It is possible in theory to write a shader that replicates the default one, but it is very difficult since there are no docs, it contains many shader passes and a lot of references to internal hlsl libraries scattered around.
@thin loom this is why i also had to move away from terrain for snow, it seems like instancing used in terrain, doesn't play too well with the usual material instancing for some reason...

[wispy nimbus]

x_x that's way too much, did you use the adaptive mesh option?

[formal thorn]

Performance shouldn’t be an issue in a majority of cases. Afaik in this usecase it’s actually potentially preferred as it allows more options for optimisation that terrain does not offer and the big benefits from terrain are not really used in such a small usecase as lc moons

[thin loom]

ah, I see, re-rendering it with a custom shader being a problem makes sense

[thin loom]

not sure I entirely agree, since as I mentioned, I think it generates automatic LODs pretty much for free, but maybe for moons that aren't super expansive it can be more optimized

certainly manual optimization can be better, but whether it will be in the majority of cases is the real question in my mind

[wispy nimbus]

it does, but most of the moons have it disabled when i checked

or on very low (default) setting

[thin loom]

weird

[formal thorn]

@wispy nimbus I might have asked you this before but does your tool do lower variants for collision purposes? Star also mentioned above that they have a fairly small demand for needing their terrain to cast shadows in some areas but from a glance I feel like theres an opportunity to have the main terrain not cast shadows at all and have a low res one do it

[thin loom]

what happens on really big moons like Pinnacle when using a mesh instead? seems like you would have to sacrifice mesh density quite a bit for something like that

well, unless it is split up so frustum culling can do something to it I guess

[wispy nimbus]

it's called 'Pixel error" in the inspector so not exactly straightforward unless you tinker or read about it, i feel like most people don't even touch the terrain settings there

[formal thorn]

When voxx has mentioned that average mesh export is 20-30k verts, are LOD’s actually that noteworthy? Seems like something that should be benchmarked before assumption

[wispy nimbus]

it doesn't do that automatically, but it saves prefabs/meshes/splatmaps each time you run the tool, so one could just run it twice with low and high quality setting and assign the meshes manually

[formal thorn]

Fair. Lot of room for workflow improvements there then but I’m very aware of the desire of not wanting to tunnel vision into a specific project 😛

[thin loom]

oh, it definitely should be benchmarked