Lethal company variables [Configure everything to your liking]. (formally LethalCompanyVariables )

[fast gull]

I could add a multiplier tho

[ruby flicker]

yea that is good enough

[fast gull]

alright

Do you mind adding it to the suggestions excel?

[ruby flicker]

confused is it already on there or am i talking about thing else

[fast gull]

That was about the value itself for individual scraps

[ruby flicker]

i see

[fast gull]

I dont think there is anything about a multiplier for all scraps

[ruby flicker]

also asking is the scanner idea i had awhile ago able to work?

[fast gull]

to increase the range yes

although kinda messy but I dont think it will break anything

[native cloak]

@fast gull did you watch the V55 trailer for Lethal or no spoilers?

[fast gull]

https://tenor.com/view/drift-rc-truck-gvnasemes-truck-ets2-gif-21894350

Does that answer? lol

[native cloak]

lol

yep

Can't wait to see how they are even going to function

[fast gull]

Im concerned about why more than how

[native cloak]

hopefully spawns don't get changed so I can instantly go to 10x spawns

[fast gull]

Is there a release date?

[native cloak]

I forgot the date the video said

I think it's June 20ish

[fast gull]

Fuu-

[native cloak]

lol

busy?

[fast gull]

I need to finish the update before that date

But until the 14 im not free because Im with another urgent thing

;-;

[native cloak]

I believe in you

[fast gull]

I belive I would need to put the two updates together, the one for the v55 and the whole rework will all the bugfixes

[robust bison]

"it's my game, I want it in, I made it"

from zeekers' patreon

[native cloak]

lol

[fast gull]

I mean, its a good reason

he is right

[ruby flicker]

hope a rock doesn't total it or make it go flying

[fast gull]

I guess it will just be on planets and kinda help you get stuff to the ship, just imagine a garage in the ship lol

[native cloak]

For transporting loot in 5x spawns, it would be insane

Might even make going Artifice worth it

[fast gull]

Somehow I feel like the truck wont make it much more easy...

[exotic widget]

@modest mason this it

[modest mason]

Ok 🙂

[little cobalt]

june 25th or sooner

[native cloak]

Lethal servers are dead?

[fast gull]

lethal uses servers?

It uses steam api I think

[native cloak]

Maybe not for the Mechs but it would make getting in and getting out faster

[native cloak]

You can't join friends right now

Or at least I wasn't able to

And public lobbies don't exist

[fast gull]

Im not really sure how it works, pretty sure it uses steam servers tho

[native cloak]

Ya, something broke with it

I think there is a post somewhere

[little cobalt]

you can join friends, public lobbies are down zeekerss made a twitter post

[native cloak]

It wasn't working for me last night but now it is

[polar gull]

why is this mod causing an absurd amount of masked to spawn outside the facility?

i have no other mods installed aside from imperium to check the spawn forecast

and i'm using the default preset

[fast gull]

Those are the first news about problems with masked enemies lol

Do you see any error in the logs?

[polar gull]

how do i check that?

[polar gull]

if you mean the logoutput.log file then no
i dont see anything that looks significant in there

[fast gull]

Opening the game and checking for red lines will do lol

[fast gull]

Can you share it?

You can send it via DM if you don't want it in a public chat, is just to check if there is something being added to teh game that shouldn't

[polar gull]

this is the only red i see in the command box

[polar gull]

gimme a moment

[native cloak]

Oh, the channel disappears when no one talks in it for a while

[little cobalt]

Yeah its a discord feature

[ruby flicker]

hate that "feature"

[fast gull]

Kinda understand it, imagine having 200 active threads, god that would be insane

[fast gull]

what the yippie is happening there

[ruby flicker]

i stole an item from there nest (:

[fast gull]

uu, thats a nono

even more when the whole family is there

[ruby flicker]

even better more victims

anyways still waiting on the scanner and crit injury set health activation

varaible

[fast gull]

im very busy to really implement anything

hard time at the workplace removing so all my free time and im trying to chill a bit after work

still planned tho, is just the time

[ruby flicker]

ok

[balmy hedge]

i mean

[balmy hedge]

you good!! the mod's in a pretty great state right now from what I can tell so take it easy!

[ruby flicker]

👀

[brittle falcon]

Hello!
Does this mod still works?

[fast gull]

god heavens, thats literally the reason lol

[fast gull]

Yea, it works!

[balmy hedge]

not gonna lie It's mostly fine since most of the threads ain't that active but it's still annoying when they disappear, wish it was configurable

[fast gull]

There are only a few visual or weird issues but the gameplay is not really affected

[fast gull]

I think you can with discord extensions, but yea, discord kinda lacks organization for the users

[brittle falcon]

thanks!

[brittle falcon]

Also, I've been trying to set up ConfigurableCompany, but I have not found a way to generate the configuration correctly

[fast gull]

hmm, if you are using a mod manager you only need BepInEx, ConfigurableCompany and LethalCompanyVarialbes

once all mods are set, it should be working perfectly

what error are you experiencing?

[brittle falcon]

let me try again and I'll tell you

[fast gull]

alright!

[brittle falcon]

Thank you very much, in the end I don't know what I did but it worked for me.
Too bad it's not what I was looking for, but it shows that it has many very useful configurations

[rotund panther]

what causes this

[balmy hedge]

probably spawning 47 hoarding bugs and 23 dead player bodies with Imperium

[ruby flicker]

(:

[fast gull]

Im sorry to hear that, hope you find what you need

[brittle falcon]

No issues!
Good mod :]

[fast gull]

thank you :)

[fast gull]

congrats on killing the bracken! Although im not sure why are there that many dead bodies

[ruby flicker]

nutcrackers did it!

[ruby flicker]

v55 is today

[quartz tiger]

Hi, I'm guessing I shouldn't use this mod for v55 because in the default config new enemies are not marked as enabled and the spawn weights are probably incorrect too, right? Also, would this mod work no problem with something like MeteoMultiplier?

[native cloak]

This mod should would with v55

But if it doesn't, @fast gull will get it updated as soon as he can.

[quartz tiger]

I haven't really tested it but I ran a vanilla match on ||Experimentation and I saw a Kidnapper Fox, meaning they can spawn there||. I then launched the game with some mods including this one, I noticed the default LCV profile (and all profiles for that matter) don't have that enemy enabled for that moon and the spawn weight is 50, meaning in theory that the new enemies won't spawn at all unless enabled manually, but even then I wouldn't know the vanilla weights to set it up correctly

[ruby flicker]

yeah the vanilla presets are outdated

[native cloak]

did you also update the enemy cap and max power for every moon?

[ruby flicker]

im be real
||the fox enemy is kinda annoying||

[little cobalt]

Hell yeah def

[fast gull]

Mod should work but as you already saw, some settings are not updated for it

[native cloak]

@fast gull Are you playing the Beta this time or nah?

[fast gull]

if the enabled is not on, then vanilla rules are applied, ists like a warning saying "hey I dont recognize this so im gona mess with it"

[fast gull]

it depends if in able to get my friends to play

but yet im not sure if I should update the mod for the beta, as again, it might change things before release or break compat for the current stable release

[native cloak]

you should wait

everything should work still hopefully

[fast gull]

yea, seems like its not like previous version where everything work

its not really a good idea to ever make changes based on a beta xD

[native cloak]

ya

you should wait, I can run some tests tomorrow and let you know the state of LCV

[fast gull]

I guess worse than the last time you reported me issues lol

[native cloak]

hopefully not

I'll check all of the spawn settings

[fast gull]

@here Been trying the latest beta with some friends, seems like nothing from the mod is broken, yet keep in mind some settings have the default value from v50 and not v55, you might want to switch off stuff like enemy spawn probabilities to let vanilla use their values instead

[native cloak]

Ya, I was never able to run any tests

Also, I will not be home for the next week

[balmy hedge]

Yeah I tried changing some small things last time I used this and it worked

sadly it erased all that I had configed for that profile on the transition to v55 but eh it's fine

[fast gull]

weird, configurations should remain between versions and save-file deletion

althrough i'd recommend a config reset for game updates to avoid problems

[balmy hedge]

yahh it was long overdue lmao

[ruby flicker]

does default config sync with vanilla or you gotta edit it when updates come out

[native cloak]

It should

But if it doesn't, @fast gull will update it when V55 fully releases

[ruby flicker]

man do i wish i could send :tulipsmile:

[native cloak]

Lol

[fast gull]

90% will sync (you need to reset config if you saved values from other versions) however some settings such as enemy probabilities will remain with v50, you might need to uncheck the box they have so the config is ignored and vanilla is used

[native cloak]

@fast gull were you planning on adding config settings for the dropship already?

[fast gull]

if I remember well yes, for delay and trying to modify the maximum amount of objects it can carry

[native cloak]

I mean for stuff like shop prices and discount chances

[fast gull]

oh, yea, item prices yea, discounts didn't make research on it

[native cloak]

Ok good, wasn't sure if that was already planned or not

[silk dagger]

I'm running into the same issue I've been having for a while where traps still spawn despite the fact they've been given 0 chance of spawning. Also, this was recorded with zero other mods, and I even uninstalled and reinstalled the game and verified the integrity of the game files, and I'm still having the issue

[native cloak]

That's weird, I don't think that happens for me. I have a few questions.

1. Does it affect there spawns if you set them to a big number?
2. Have you tried reimporting your profile (sometimes it activates mods that are disabled)
3. Try setting the trap spawns to 0.001 or something and see if that does anything
   I will be home in a few days so I will see if I can replicate your issue then

[fast gull]

Do you mind sending your config file? (is located in the same place as the savea of the game in a folder called ConfigurableCompany) so I can check the issue?

Also, did you play that savefile with any other mods or is it fresh new

[fast gull]

I might as well consider a helper men you are always there to help, thanks for asisting other users!

[native cloak]

I'm just always awake when you're not lol

[silk dagger]

this is hopefully the right file you're asking for, and in that recording that was on a fresh save

[native cloak]

When did V55 actually release?

Did I miss it?

[fast gull]

afaik is just the beta

[ruby flicker]

no it released to the main branch now

[fast gull]

oh, nice

[native cloak]

ya, the full thing released

[fast gull]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-woooo-yeah-baby-gif-24480925

[ruby flicker]

jetpack got nerfed to 900 now 😭

[native cloak]

So far everything seems to work fine but I don't think it increases the spawns for the new enemies

I could be wrong but I haven't seen them

And they are activated in LCV

Everything else seems to be working though

[ruby flicker]

barber too?

[native cloak]

Is that inside or outside?

[fast gull]

yea, values are not updated yet

[ruby flicker]

inside

[fast gull]

im working on it but as im reworking some stuff it might take some time

[native cloak]

Actually now that I think about it, I haven't seen spike traps or landmines either

It is possible that I just got unlucky though

Because turrets did spawn

[fast gull]

if turrets work then other traps should spawn hmm

[native cloak]

Ya, haven't seen it yet

[native cloak]

I probably got unlucky then, I only played 2 quotas

[fast gull]

thats two more than me

[native cloak]

I thought you played v55

[fast gull]

I played the beta, the now released version not

[native cloak]

Oh

Either way, all the other spawns seem to work fine, it's just the new ones I think don't work

But I will be running solos sometime next week so I will let you know if they do work

[quartz tiger]

I saw both new enemies with it on, I also saw all traps already

It may be possible that I forgot to load my custom profile but I played with the mod and it should've used the default profile and the only issue it should have with V55 is it would revert the changes to the spawn weights of already existing enemies like manticoils in Embrion and Earth Leviatans in Rend

Eventually I did load my profile but I wouldn't be able to say for sure if I saw the new enemies after, I don't remember

[fast gull]

The new version is almost ready! Took me long enough but I think you will appreciate all the changes from this version.

[balmy hedge]

HOOOOOO

[ruby flicker]

:D

:D

i need custom emoji..i must send tulipSMILE

[ruby flicker]

you should make a setting system similar to kidnapper fox settings
flip a switch to either make instakills deal damage and more like that

[fast gull]

Im not sure im getting your suggestion, wdym?

[fast gull]

Im finishing with the testing for the latest version, this is all that's gonna bring, if you all are interesed in something else before the release of the update, let me know here and I will try to add it!

[balmy hedge]

Would it be possible to add a config to allow or disallow the spawning of Vain shrouds in certain moons?

[fast gull]

I have to do some research on it but I think it would be possible

[balmy hedge]

neato! yeah that's something I think no other config mod is able to do currently

[ruby flicker]

i mean adding 3 features if you turn off instant kill

1. a monster settings menu where you can turn on and off certain monsters instant kills
2. how much damage they do
3. how fast do they damage you

[ruby flicker]

thankgod because in there current state they are unfair

[balmy hedge]

titan vain shrouds are stupid as fuck

same with assurance vain shrouds

i'm like 95% sure zeekers made em annoying there on purpose cuz they used to be the "meta" moons

[fast gull]

to implement this I would need to modify a bunch of things so this might not come in this release

as for vain shrouds, Im trying to understand how tf do they work internally but technically is possible

[native cloak]

YOU ARE STILL AWAKE???

[fast gull]

I just got home from bowling with some friends

and there is a concert outside with the highest volume ever to ever be heard

[native cloak]

I didn't even know they were open that late

[fast gull]

well, here in spain they are open very late

but most of the time was getting back home lol

[native cloak]

oh lol

[fast gull]

also im still testing the update

added even more settings

sadly most of it needs to be synchronized

[native cloak]

Huge

Let me know if you need help with anything then

[fast gull]

I would love your help checking out what needs to be synchronized

[native cloak]

K, I'll hop on then

Want me to run vanilla?

[fast gull]

yea

[native cloak]

k

[fast gull]

let me start the game with release mode

to avoid problems with the build

[native cloak]

k

[quartz tiger]

I set bush wolf weight to 0 for all moons but it still spawned, did I do something wrong or does that not work?

[fast gull]

soo bush wolf does not follow the same rules as other enemies

spawn is only affected by the plants

[quartz tiger]

Wait, can I reduce the spawn of those? I did see it

Also, it seems the car is not getting deleted, at least after ejecting the run

[quartz tiger]

wait, this is not for this mod lmao

[ruby flicker]

thats a vanilla issue

[quartz tiger]

Didn't see it* Also no, you can't

[ruby flicker]

oh and some other things like crashing at certains speeds will kill you regardless of defence level or health
maybe a setting that removes kill triggers and replace it with dealing a configurable amount of damage for non enemy stuff (i think there called that)

[ruby flicker]

in like a miscellaneous tab or somethin

[fast gull]

im working to add that option

[fast gull]

oh okay, you got me confused

[fast gull]

That should be doable, the problem is that I need to check everywhere to check if nothing breaks

[fast gull]

@here

2.4.0 (First part of 2)

2.4.0

Added

• Added DISABLED mode for daytime speed to prevent LCV from altering the vanilla behavior
• Added configuration for individual item weight
• Added configuration for scrap value multiplication for individual levels
• Added option to allow picking up items before game starts
• Added configuration for moon route prices
• Added internal framework for better IL modifications
• Added configuration for quota overtime bonus
• Added configuration for scrap worth

Fixed

• Fixed enemy power not reflecting configured value
• Fixed trap multiplier not working correctly
• Fixed quota not synchronizing with vanilla clients
• Fixed incompatibility with LLL where enemies would not change configs
• Fixed incompatibility with LLL where moons would not change configs
• Fixed randomization on some configs resulting on errors
• Fixed incompatibility with Starlanzed mod causing enemy defaults to being wrong
• Fixed IL framework erros

Modified

• Externalized compatibility for enemies, levels and items
• Optimized configuration application for moon enemies

There are more things to come, some weird issues to fix and a lot of suggestions you can ask me to implement!

Hope you like the update, took me long enough

[ruby flicker]

alright

it probably can support modded enemy/hazards too

with there configuration turn off by default to not break anything

[ruby flicker]

i just realized why is Ammo is the shop prices catagory

[fast gull]

I don't think thats the ammo you think of

I did not set any filters you can see some unused items

like the box if I remember well

[ruby flicker]

o

[ruby flicker]

imagine if you could put defense in the negatives (:

[native cloak]

There are unused items?

[fast gull]

that would break the game xD

[fast gull]

seems to, althrough not sure what they do

[ruby flicker]

lol

[latent zinc]

I'm having a bug specifically with the new version of LCV (2.4):
I have a modpack with a bunch of LethalQuantities presets (which I am using in conjunction with LCV), and the new version causes those presets to not load. It also seems to cause "quit game" to not work (selecting the button doesn't do anything). This is specifically a problem with 2.4, as if I download back to 2.3.2 everything works as expected

LethalQuantities is being used to customize things for every moon, whereas LCV is being used to increase global enemy spawnrates + max allowed spawns

[fast gull]

I would need the profile code and your current settings to check the issue if you dont mind

also, what settings do you use from LQ that are not present LCV (im trying to make it easier for everyone)

[latent zinc]

• Profile code: 0190dd02-1c65-7dc1-eaf0-e8be4710c8f7
• LCV settings I'm using are just in Global Enemy Spawning (changing max enemy spawns to 100, increased per-player spawn rate to 1.25, increased inside starting enemies to 2)
• I originally was just using LQ to customize things (all scrap, monsters, descriptions, risk level, interiors, etc. per moon) using the web editor, but I ended up adding LCV to increase the max spawns (honestly not sure if this was necessary, but I was experiencing problems with enemy spawns for awhile prior to installing this)

[fast gull]

When you say you were experiencing problems with enemy spawns peior to installation what do you mean?

[latent zinc]

I wasn’t really able to figure out what the culprit was, but basically no enemies at all were spawning in the modpack I was testing (i was using imperium to verify, and it was happening like 70% of the time upon landing on a moon). I still don’t know what the ultimate cause was, since it randomly started working perfectly without me making any major changes

LCV was one of the mods I installed to try and fix the problem, but I don’t know if it did anything; currently I’m just using it to increase spawn rates

[wicked gale]

It would be cool if you could modify the factory size multiplier as a global variable (lazyness).

[fast gull]

yea, that wont be hard to add lol

[quiet moat]

Is lethal variables broken? shop price changes aren't working

[fast gull]

So far no issues reported nor that I am aware

[quiet moat]

i cant change shop prices

they change in the config but nothing changes in game

[fast gull]

Hmm, what mods do you have installed?

[quiet moat]

a bunch of stuff, more company is present

does MC break it

[fast gull]

more company is fully compatible so no

Did you setup the mod manually or with a mod manageR?

[quiet moat]

mod manager

[fast gull]

any errors in the console?

if you want you can send me the profile code and I will check it as soon as I can

[quiet moat]

now no enemies are spawning

this is spamming

[fast gull]

hmm, do you have any other mods appart from MC? even disabled mods

[quiet moat]

0190e6c5-4c91-b6e8-0ebd-6c7e655a0d3f

thats the modpack code

do any of those mods break it?

[fast gull]

I dont know all the mods that exist so maybe other mod is messing up something xD

let me check

[quiet moat]

i meant the mods that are in my pack

[fast gull]

gimme a sec, you caugh me eating dinner lol

I cant confirm all of them at once but you can help me disabling half and checking if the issue persists, it it does, we know the issuer mod is within the enabled ones, otherwise is on the disabled ones

then we repeat until we isolated the mod that is causing conflicts

[quiet moat]

i have 76 mods that'd take awhile

theres this

whatever this means

[fast gull]

that seems to be an issue with the player voice chat after leaving the lobby

but that is caused by other mod because LCV does not modify anything that appears there nor related

[quiet moat]

hmm

problem is idk what that mod is

[fast gull]

is the modpack yours?

[quiet moat]

yes

[fast gull]

What where the last mods you added? Or do you know what mods did you have without having any issue?

[quiet moat]

the 3 most recent mods are LCV, its dependency, and buyable shotgun shells

so the issue is definitely coming from LCV

[fast gull]

I can check but I can guarantee that LCV has nothing to do with, at least, those two errors that you sent

can you check further up in the console for any logs from LCV?

[quiet moat]

theres this

[fast gull]

now thats different

[quiet moat]

any further and its this being spammed

[fast gull]

seems like some moons are trying to clone the radmech in a non-correct way and LCV does not enjoy that

[quiet moat]

clone?

[fast gull]

Let me check with the debug version if I can see the reason

[fast gull]

yea, some moons clone the vanilla enemies and LLL then replaces them with the correct ones, the size you see there is that there are 4 copies of the same enemy type, there should be at max 1

[quiet moat]

wait
a moon i use has a tiny old bird that functions like a ghost girl for some reason

i hope that isn't the issue cause that moon is really good

[fast gull]

a ghost girl old bird

thats is definetly new lol

[quiet moat]

its a really tiny old bird that functions similar to a ghost girl

[fast gull]

I cant guarantee if that could be the issue, maybe not

[quiet moat]

idk why the moon adds it but its funny

so what can i do about this "old bird cloning" issue

[fast gull]

does it also throw rockets? that seems a bit overwhelming lol

[quiet moat]

no it just stares and follows sometimes

like a ghost girl

[fast gull]

I mean LCV does only notify about that (or should at least) the only issue with that is that the cofnig settings for that enemy might not work

that seems moke like an issue on how an enemy is being defined

[quiet moat]

as it stands now the mod is breaking everything, no enemy spawns and shop prices aren't changing

[fast gull]

yet should not cause too much trouble, let me see if that could lead to other issues

[quiet moat]

LCV is doing that i mean

[fast gull]

give me 10 mins to test it and Ill let you know

[quiet moat]

ok

did you find anything?

[fast gull]

Seems like an unexpected behavior coming from a weird enemy registration by some moon

Im making it compatible, should take less than 15 min

or at least I hope so

[quiet moat]

coolandgood

ty

[fast gull]

thank you for reporting the issue!

[quiet moat]

how does unexpected behavior break the entire thing?

[fast gull]

well

to be clear, im not sure how is this error being caused

as seems that an enemy is being registered without actually existing

[quiet moat]

do yk what that moon is

[fast gull]

thus getting a null value into the array

and thus every thing that comes after that code just breaks

should have put more failsafes...

[fast gull]

Im not even sure I can check that, let me try

seems like a moon just invented their own enemies and tried to assign them as vanilla ones

(the ones in dark red)

[quiet moat]

idk what a puffer is but all of those are vanilla?

what is causing that

[fast gull]

puffer is the one that spreads a purple cloud when scared

[quiet moat]

oh spore lizard

[fast gull]

seems to be a moon not correctly following the guidelines of LLL

[quiet moat]

do you happen to know what moon that is

[fast gull]

are most of the moons from the same author?

[quiet moat]

uhhh

i have starlancer, wesley, rosies, some other stuff

[fast gull]

Well

I'd love to undestand this

[quiet moat]

its orion thats causing all of this?

[fast gull]

nono, thats just a signal confirming that some moon just added enemies incorrectly

[quiet moat]

so what IS the root issue?

[fast gull]

if you want to know exactly what mod is causing it, Im still checking

if you want the reason of the issue, is bad enemy definition

It might be starlancerZero

[quiet moat]

is it?

[fast gull]

Seems it is that mod that is adding enemies such as Jester_0

[quiet moat]

starlancer has an ai fix

that might be causing it

[fast gull]

Let me reach the developer to see

[quiet moat]

wait nvm its gotta be moons

aifix would disable a ton of moons

i dont want that

[fast gull]

let me see if with this hotfix it works and we can avoid all the problems with this

[quiet moat]

is the hotfix releasing now

[fast gull]

yea, im validating everything

[quiet moat]

alright lemme know when hotfix drops

disabling starlancer moons didn't fix it btw

[fast gull]

Shouldnt take long

[fast gull]

Can you check what configs do you see when using it?

vs without seeing it?

[quiet moat]

wdym

[fast gull]

there incorrect enemies should appear as new enemies in the config

[quiet moat]

gimme a sec

lethal is starting

[fast gull]

yea there are some duplicates of some configs of the enemies

[quiet moat]

im not seeing any duplicates?

[fast gull]

go to Enemies > Enemy capacity

you should see for example two entries for Nutcracker

[quiet moat]

im not seeing two entries

[fast gull]

wait, what

uh, thats weird

no mods disabled?

[quiet moat]

i disabled starlancermoons

[fast gull]

try enabling it back

[quiet moat]

what what is this

[fast gull]

dont worry about that

[quiet moat]

what would that do

[fast gull]

That is just a warning that other mod is modiying the same methods as me so in some cases might cause issues, yet does not mean that it will 100% cause issues

[fast gull]

you should see the duplicates back

[quiet moat]

why do i want the duplicates

[fast gull]

is to check for inconsistencies with the profile

I can check it myself dont worry

[quiet moat]

ok

any updates?

[fast gull]

Ive talked to the developer of starlanzer moons about the duplicates, nothing that i've seen before

for the fix, everything seems to work fine

[quiet moat]

so its releasing?

[fast gull]

yea, seems to work just fine

[fast gull]

yep

[quiet moat]

modman isn't saying it needs an update

[fast gull]

give thunderstore a bit to update itself and notify the users

it is not instant but I cant do anything as of that

[quiet moat]

even with the duplicate entity issue?

[fast gull]

the duplicate issue is part of the starlanzer moons but should just make new entries appear in the config, you can just ignore them and should work just fine!

[quiet moat]

i have starlancer moons disabled

it'll still work right

[fast gull]

yea, now everything will work regardless of what mods you have

until another incompatibility is found and needs to be fixed

but that should be far in the future

[quiet moat]

ok

im just waiting for thunderstore to finally acknowledge the update

how slow is modman for mod updates?

[fast gull]

Im not really sure

[native cloak]

It can take a bit

[fast gull]

how fast do you need it to be?

cause it can take as long as one LC round lol

[quiet moat]

well i've been troubleshooting this thing for over an hour now

[fast gull]

glad to see you around

[quiet moat]

i'd like it to be fixed already

[native cloak]

Kind of just lurking

[fast gull]

I can only suggest to be patient, im sorry you had to troubleshoot that long, however look it nicely as you got it fixed and also helped a lot of people who could have this issue in the future!

[fast gull]

I see, have you played the LCV update?

[native cloak]

I have not yet so idk what works and what doesn't

But I don't have any other actual mods so there would be no compatibility issues for me

[fast gull]

hopefully nothing else breaks

As this week im extra busy

[quiet moat]

hopefully modman can wake up and recognise the patch

[fast gull]

Cant wait for the mod to break itself by some weird setting

[fast gull]

Didn't it recognize it yet?

[quiet moat]

no notification about mod updates

[fast gull]

hmmm, try closing and opening it again

maybe it really did shit himself

[quiet moat]

i've done that several times

[fast gull]

let me see if thunderstore did already recognize the new version

might be taking some time

[quiet moat]

nothing here either

[fast gull]

now I do see it

does it appear now?

[quiet moat]

bruh

[fast gull]

lol

that's just trolling

how did you get that error

[quiet moat]

i clicked install on the website

then that error

[fast gull]

yea, thunderstore is not behaving correctly rn

[quiet moat]

how is it on the site but not the manager

fucking hell now thunderstore is broken???

[fast gull]

give it another 5 mins

I mean I can send you the update directly if you want

but you would have to manual install

[quiet moat]

i can download it off the website

how do i manual install

[fast gull]

just replace the files

following the same path from the zip

@here

2.4.1

This is a hotfix, not part of the next big release

Added

• Configuration to globally change factory size [Thanks friskzips]

Fixed

• Fixed mod not working if any section breaks
• Fixed enemy spawning breaking due to invalid external enemies

[quiet moat]

i dont wanna deal with that hassle so i'll just wait until modman finally decides to do its job

[fast gull]

Alright, let me know if you have any other issue regarding the mod!

I've already reported the duplicates so an update for starlanzer should come in a few days

[quiet moat]

it STILL hasn't updated on r2modman

Genuine Pain

[fast gull]

I was already sleeping

Thats not normal

does it appear in the published packaged?

[quiet moat]

wdym

i only see the update on the website

nothing on modman

[fast gull]

Something might be going on with modman

it says there are 3 downloads of the patch

which is weird

[quiet moat]

?

i only see one

on the website

[fast gull]

lol

[quiet moat]

oh you meant that

yeah 3 people downloaded it

...somehow

[fast gull]

Sorry, I cant really help with that, thunderstore recognized the update already, it has something to do with r2modman itself

You can still manually install the mod if you want to, it might be faster than waiting for r2modman

[fast gull]

Someone likes tulip snakes a bit to much lol

[ruby flicker]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaWJjZTYzczM4a29vN2N0YXNveDVmc20wMWMzcjU1anV2cG9wOWpreiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/kXlltVOqV4z2es6qkk/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[fast gull]

yup, a solid tulip lol

[quiet moat]

@ruby flicker

[fast gull]

ahahaha

[quiet moat]

genocide coolandgood

[ruby flicker]

NOOO WHAT DID YOU DOOOOOOOO
GRRRRRR...

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExeWJzeG00NmR4Y2gxaTU2M2lmMGQxbmN2MnByeW9sZnpiMjE0ajNyMiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/AjkkqmTKMfcJ9hck1y/giphy.gif

[fast gull]

what the actual f

[quiet moat]

kill ghappy

[fast gull]

how many enemies

[ruby flicker]

NO

[quiet moat]

a shit ton of lootbugs and sneks

[fast gull]

you are not going for the loot

you are going for the enemies

you made a scary game into doom eternal

[ruby flicker]

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExMDg4NnZxNGxmMnRzMjkxMW00Z3R6cXAxZ3Y1aTV1d3R4cTBweG45bSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/QJZ449vcfpRTMzUeSu/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[ruby flicker]

WHAT

[fast gull]

go for a giant

[quiet moat]

i dont think those can be killed outside of oldbirds
friend put 6 shots into one

[fast gull]

you can run over them with the car

[ruby flicker]

(you can kill old birds too with car (: )

[fast gull]

wait

what

[ruby flicker]

yes

[fast gull]

they are iron and steel, how is that even possible

[ruby flicker]

they will walk in place but they can't shoot or pick you up

[ruby flicker]

bug

[fast gull]

oh that makes sense

[ruby flicker]

you can search eviltulipsnakes and find this gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExeWJzeG00NmR4Y2gxaTU2M2lmMGQxbmN2MnByeW9sZnpiMjE0ajNyMiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/AjkkqmTKMfcJ9hck1y/giphy.gif

[fast gull]

gtg, @quiet moat

[fast gull]

if I search that I get weird anime girls

and im not proud of it

[ruby flicker]

i swear....discord gif section is over

i added them cuz i want them as my banner

https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExaWJjZTYzczM4a29vN2N0YXNveDVmc20wMWMzcjU1anV2cG9wOWpreiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/kXlltVOqV4z2es6qkk/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[fast gull]

i cant event comprehend why, my AI brain is not braining

[ruby flicker]

this is the next gif

[fast gull]

you can add gifs from your own pc

[ruby flicker]

there too big

[fast gull]

well

have fun everyone!

[ruby flicker]

artipoint

[quiet moat]

epic

FINALLY

[native cloak]

Lol

[quiet moat]

i was still having issues

i give up

i ditched it and found a replacement (zeta's tweaks)

no hate to the dev but this mod just aint gonna work

[native cloak]

It's working fine for me

Can you send me the modpack you were using? Maybe I can replicate the issue you are having

[quiet moat]

i know the issue and ik how to fix but its too much of a hassle

[fast gull]

what issue where you having?

[quiet moat]

The sell bodies mod was having major price issues

I could go in and manually fix the pricing of each corpse but at that point I was done with fighting it lol

[fast gull]

wdym major price issues?

[quiet moat]

Corpses were initially 0$, I went in and fixed it, now they're like over 2x the values I had put in

[fast gull]

that is interesting

and you say that does not happen with other mods

[quiet moat]

Honestly I've dropped it at this point

I cant be bothered to mess with it after 4 straight hours of tryna fix it

[wicked gale]

Thaanks for the update
yesterday while I was playing I found an issue, I posted it on github.

[fast gull]

the one about presets?

[fast gull]

Alright, sorry to hear that but thanks for the report!

[wicked gale]

yes

another small thing is that this mod with a mod loader is installing a old version of configurablecompany(new version 0.4.0) and this can cause issue if you install the mod and then maybe you forget to update it.

[fast gull]

Ive looked into the issue but havent found any reason

[fast gull]

oh god I forgot to update the dependency version

[wicked gale]

umm weird
i write more stuff about the issue on github

[fast gull]

didnt notice that, I will fix that too

[fast gull]

I see it has something to do with the text being written, what text did you try to use foe the preset?

[wicked gale]

its just pressing any key
it doesnt even show it

[ruby flicker]

😔

[patent sable]

I'm playing on v50 with newest version but when i get into the game itself, black screen occurs on Terminal, which dont allows me use it

[fast gull]

Can you share the console logs?

[fast gull]

Im trying to find the reason behind it, I did send some info in the thread

[wicked gale]

yes i am trying to get the info you need

[fast gull]

Thank you!

[patent sable]

uhhh which ones? i mean, how do i identify names that mod uses to load?

[fast gull]

There are two options, sharing the whole log file from the start of the game until you encounter the issue, or sending just the error you get when using the terminal

[patent sable]

where i can find log files?

[fast gull]

it should be inside the game's directoy

in the steam game's folder

[patent sable]

how the log file is named?

anyways i took screenshots of whole console

here's the screenshots of console log

[fast gull]

Do you have any mods that modify the vehicle price or something related?

[patent sable]

no

i am on v50

and logs were taken with this mod being the only one

[fast gull]

Ohhh

Yea, the latest version is for v55, for v50 you should not update (keep the mod at version 2.3.X)

As the mod now has implemented all the things from the v55 and may cause problems in previous versions

[patent sable]

can you theoretically make update where all functions from current update will be also working on v50?

[fast gull]

Sadly I used this update to rework the way everything works, should work "fine" if change the dependency but opening multiple instances of the mod for different versions might break up everything for even more people

I could theorically

[ruby flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/tulip-snakes-gif-12924955340978924072

ITS HERE ITS HERE!!!!

[fast gull]

wait, do tulips have 2 or 4 eyes

[sharp dragon]

4 cuz they be alien

[fast gull]

eyeless dogs are aliens and have 0 eyes 🤔

[ruby flicker]

so whats the next big release

[patent sable]

i think i have idea for new version

when you open planets menu, select for example Assurance, and scroll down you could modify what scrap can be spawned on Assurance + new ability in "Global" tab, which allows you to modify minimal and maximal price of scrap as whole (for example, Jar of Pickles that is worth 100 minimum and 6969 maximum)

[fast gull]

uhhh, you can already do that

im not sure I understood your suggestion

[native cloak]

I haven't tried the LCV update yet. You can customize what scrap items spawn now?

[fast gull]

let me remember the changes cuz that was the last thing I developed

that should be in the new version

now you are making me doubt lol

[native cloak]

Lol

It probably is

I just haven't tried it yet

Or you could have had that ready for part 2

Don't know

[fast gull]

Well

I can at least say that for the next release In planning to add a weekly seed

[native cloak]

YES

Kind of like a weekly challenge?

[fast gull]

im still checking out the details

my current idea is, as there are seeds

maybe a weekly seed

[native cloak]

Oh, I see

[fast gull]

or maybe I host a weekly config

[native cloak]

So a weekly preset

If you do a config, we could just post our scores in here if you can't get a leaderboard working

[fast gull]

my current idea is, instead of how LC does the challenge moon

it would be a fully challenge run

[native cloak]

Oh really?

[fast gull]

so everyone starts with the same seed, same configs and should go as long as they can

[native cloak]

So would it be fastest time?

[fast gull]

longest run

or highest quota

[native cloak]

Oh I see

[fast gull]

as said im still planning out the details

as I never done anything similar

[native cloak]

Would it just repeat the same seed over and over again each day or would there be multiple set seeds so the facility generation and monster spawns are different each day but the same for each run

[fast gull]

different each day but same for the run

[native cloak]

Huge

[fast gull]

but I repeat

is just an idea

[native cloak]

Ya

[fast gull]

I still need to make everything work

[native cloak]

I would also suggest using whole numbers rather than decimal points and increasing the max limit for the randomizer so it is harder than just clicking the randomize button

[fast gull]

wdym?

[native cloak]

If you click the current randomize button, it randomizes everything but the values are small.

[fast gull]

yea, it tries to normalize them

[native cloak]

Basically I would say, up the max limit for the randomized values by a lot and also ignore decimals so you don't have like 2.16x or something

I think decimals like 2.5x are fine though

[fast gull]

hmm

I would need to create a custom randomizer for every configuration so that might take me some time

[native cloak]

Ya, that would be the tricky part

[fast gull]

I mean, thats already done for the planet prices

the randomizer works like this:

• Only cost for 25% of the planets
• The cost can go up to 1500
• The cost is rounded up
• The cost cannot end in other than 00, 25, 50 or 75

[native cloak]

Maybe overall values or something (bear with me, I have no idea how I can explain this but I will try my best. Might also take some time to type out.)

Like let's think of it as a skill tree. Let's for example say you have 10 points and those 10 points could go to monsters, moons, scrap, etc. Let's say you get 5 for monsters, 2 for moons, 3 for scrap. The game will then choose 5 random monsters and choose a random value for there max limit (1-10) and there spawn chance (1-100). This will do this for all 5 monsters then it will multiply enemy spawns by a random number (1-10). Same thing will happen for the other important settings like scrap

This is just an idea so it can be workshopped and the starting points can also be randomized

There are a few settings I would stay away from like daytime speed and quota length and player settings (like stamina and speed).

Also I know all of this doesn't really make that much sense but you could probably piece together my idea. No idea what coding for it would look like. I tried my best to explain it as best as I could.

It's one of those things where you have the idea in your head but you don't really know how to explain it

[wicked gale]

is this normal?

[dense loom]

is there any way to change the scrap pools per moon

with this

just curious

i noticed a min-max scrap setting but as far as i can tell you cant configure individual item weights per moon

[fast gull]

That is coming in the next release (that I am already working on)

[dense loom]

oh damn ok

that's wild convenient

looking fw to it

[fast gull]

kinda, is a problem from how Starlanzer implements their vanilla enemies for their custom moons, you will see some duplicated entries in the config but nothing else that would break

[fast gull]

yea, I didnt add it in this version of the mod cause I couldnt test it

[fast gull]

I dont really understand what you meant

[dense loom]

just curious, how do global item weights even work? arent they different on every moon in vanilla?

[wicked gale]

ah ok

[fast gull]

nop, items weight the same on every moon

[dense loom]

are loot tables and item weights not the same thing..?

[fast gull]

ohhhh

nono, the weight is the weight of the item

like, how heavy it is lol

[dense loom]

OH sorry

i meant like

weight value

like rarity

im talking abt this

[fast gull]

item weight for loot tables on moons is what is coming in the next release

[fast gull]

is that a table per moon?

[dense loom]

yeah its different on every moon

[fast gull]

so yea, in a next release you would be able to change all of that

at the exception of two handed cause it gives a lot of errors

[dense loom]

Assurance notably has much better vanilla item spawns than offense

Offense gives a lot more low value two handed items

and junk like sheet metals

which makes it a really bad moon

[fast gull]

and you can realistcly only go in one emergency door

[dense loom]

but yea apologies for the confusion lol i wasnt talking about how heavy items are

im used to calling them weights because of how weighted rarity works in this game

[fast gull]

Yea, its the same word no worries

anyway yea, weights as of rarity are coming in the next release

among a bunch of other stuff

[dense loom]

anything else notable u can say?

curious :V

[fast gull]

well, that I've spoke about, a weekly challenge

but if you want to know the list of features and suggestions, there is a public excel where people can add stuff

The development excel

[prime warren]

In your defence that’s on them 😛

[fast gull]

About that, does LLL enforce any rules on how to add those dummy vanilla enemies?

[quiet moat]

https://tenor.com/view/sparkle-sparkle-doll-sparkle-plush-hsr-sparkle-honkai-sparkle-gif-9689087281484939670

[fast gull]

hmm, what about adding custom seeds to the mod... maybe some easter egg seeds

[balmy hedge]

like, being able to input a static seed for each moon?

[balmy hedge]

have you thought about adding a way to configure store prizes?

[fast gull]

uhh, what do you mean? You can modify item price and moon route prices

[balmy hedge]

as in items you can buy from the store

is that already a thing?

:O

[fast gull]

Yea

so far no one has noticed the new "items" page? xD

[balmy hedge]

i just hadn't gone on a config spree in a while xD

thanks!!! this mod keeps getting better jfc

[fast gull]

Trying to add everything I remember!

[balmy hedge]

goated as hell

literally the only thing this mod needs is a vain shroud config and it's like the best one out there

[fast gull]

Im working on that, should come soon

[native cloak]

Oh right, I almost forgot, for the weekly challenges, you would have to lock everyone on the same moons

[fast gull]

wdym?

like no custom moods or stuff?

It's very complex to plan so thats why I just prefer to make it a "weekly config" rather than forcing people onto using X mods or leaderboards, as that would also not be convinent or meaningful (we all know what happens in LC leaderboards...)

[balmy hedge]

by the way, it seems that the items section causes all modded items to be automatically be valued at 0 min and 0 max

[fast gull]

do they appear as 0 in the config?

[balmy hedge]

every single sellbodies fix enemy drop is 0

[balmy hedge]

they appear as 0 and are valued at 0 ingame

I did not touch the scrap value at all either, I only modified store prizes

[fast gull]

I think that might be that specific mod doing weird stuff to calculate how their stuff is priced

[balmy hedge]

it also sets most modded items' weight to 0

[fast gull]

also for the same mod or any other mod having the issue?

[balmy hedge]

it seems that scrap cannon is also affected, which isn't from sellbodiesfixed

[fast gull]

lot of vanilla items weight 0, maybe some of them are just like that

[balmy hedge]

nah i've played with sell bodies, lots of em are heavy

[fast gull]

the sell bodies seems like an issue with that mod, Im not sure what is the origin mod for scrap cannon

[balmy hedge]

it's from GrizzCompany_Items

[fast gull]

yea sell bodies is a bug, is just to be taken into consideration

do you know the author of sell bodies?

[balmy hedge]

the current maintaner is @median plume iirc

[fast gull]

I see the issue

that mod is creating those items with a weight and value of 0

and later on giving them a value

[balmy hedge]

ahhh that checks out

there is a value and weight config in sellbodies' own config file

[fast gull]

LCV is just overriding that value...

[balmy hedge]

mhm

[fast gull]

I might need to add an option to enable/disable that setting so LCV does not override

[balmy hedge]

It should only override it if modified

yee

sellbodiesfixed also has a minimum and maximum value, so maybe it's that?

[fast gull]

yea, my bad, though no one would think about dynamically adding values lol

[fast gull]

yea, for now you cna just copy those values into LCV config, I will fix it don't worry!

[balmy hedge]

alright!!

i need to sleep anyway, so i'll do that later haah

[fast gull]

alright! thanks for the report!

[native cloak]

No I mean it just blocks them from swapping the moon to something else

So everyone has to do the weekly challenge on a certain moon

[fast gull]

Well my though was that everyone should be able to choose what moon to go to, at the end prices will also change, my idea is that the challenge is sorta of having to redefine the meta every week

consider it a game where maybe experimentation is the meta but also has a harder facility for example

[ruby flicker]

what will be in the next big update (:

[fast gull]

Is still under development, so you can request or suggest anything and I might add it if possible

[median plume]

if I have to change/fix something I can do it, I haven't read all the messages but surely hearing that sell bodies is a bug doesn't make me happy, that's it

[fast gull]

That's nice to hear, let me give you some context

When a new item or scrap (such as the bodies) is added into the game I read their values to show them in a menu where players could change their scrap value (min and max) and their weight, however as I get those values when the item is registered, in this case it uses 0s as they don't really have a value set yet

When do you set the values for the price and weight of bodies?

[median plume]

I'll be honest and I've never touched that part of the code (it should be the same code as the original version of the mod), but theoretically the values ​​are assigned as soon as the mod is loaded. Not being sure I'll go check now, one sec

[fast gull]

I will gladly help you with anything! Out of curiosity and for better understanding of the process, when those items are created, do they come from a preset, are they generated via script or something else?

[median plume]

I can confirm that it is done when the mod is loaded

[median plume]

They are like any other item from any other mod, simply the values ​​like weight and price are given when the mod is loaded

long story short, they have nothing special

the only thing I could do is give it the default values ​​directly from unity, obviously with the LCV you would always see those values and not the ones that the SBF takes from the config, at the same time it's the only thing that came to my mind

[fast gull]

That is in fact the issue, the default values from unity being set to 0

Is there any posibility for them to be defined with the preset?

[median plume]

they used to have default values ​​already on unity but I had set them all to 0 since I found it irrelevant as a thing. I will put the default values ​​back for the weight (the price is irrelevant anyway since it is randomly generated when it spawns)

[median plume]

anyway probably the reason why LCV doesn't read SBF config values is because LCV is loaded before SBF. In that case it means that other mods could have the same problem in the future. I don't know if there is a way to force the mod to load after all other mods (surely there is) but if I were you I would try to take a look

[fast gull]

Is the value fully random or random within a range?

[median plume]

within a range

[fast gull]

LCV listents for item creation both before and after registration, that shouldnt be a problem

it listens for them right after their default values (from the prefab) are picked up

[fast gull]

wouldnt that be the same as using the item's minValue and maxValue?

[median plume]

yes and no, the value of the bodies is also influenced by a multiplier that is calculated based on the total PowerCount of the moon

anyway I can also put those already on unity there is no problem

[fast gull]

I understand, in that case is up to you to leave them as 0 or to set it to the values if a multiplier of 1 was applied, regardless of your choice thanks for the quick help :)

[fast gull]

Thank you very much!

[median plume]

by any chance does the LCV also change whether the body is TwoHanded or not?

because if it does I have to change that too

[median plume]

I updated the sell bodies, for any other problem ping me whenever you want

[fast gull]

Not really

The only things are store item price, scrap value range, weight and in the future conductivity of the object

[fast gull]

Perfect, thank you! :)

[median plume]

I also changed the "Two Handed" option in case you wanted to implement it in the future

[fast gull]

Alright, that should make everything okay!

[balmy hedge]

woohoo!!. I'll check today if it's fixed

[storm wagon]

Hey, so this looks really good! Right now I just wanted to ask a couple of questions:

1. Modded enemies show as 0 when messing around in LCV, I presume the modded enemy settings will still work by default?
2. If I add settings for a modded enemy, assuming it uses vanilla spawn methods (aka not Shy Guy), will it overwrite those, or will it add to them?

[fast gull]

You should see a checkbox with the config of those enemies, if it's disabled, LCV will not change the value, if its enabled it will

But to be more precise, what configuration are you asking about?

[storm wagon]

Yep I see it. Lemme send some screenshots for example just to be 100% clear

[fast gull]

No worries!

[storm wagon]

As an example, I have these three enemies and LCV states they have a spawn weight of 0, but the enemy mods have them registered globally at their respective spawnweights (I don't know the exact numbers but ik they have configs set for it). Actually Slenderman being at 0 might be intentional as he spawns differently but the other two.

It shows the enemy weights properly for moon-specific enemies to some extent, although I'd have to double-check to see if the numbers are accurate

[fast gull]

the zero spawn weight is the default value when LCV is not able to recognize that enemy, you should also see the check at the right side of the config disabled, which means LCV is not using that value, rather letting the mod use their value

[storm wagon]

Okay cool. And if I enable configuration then it would override the mod's value, presumably?

[fast gull]

if the value is not 0 then is the one the mod is using (unless it does some weird spawn gimmics)

[storm wagon]

Again, assuming the mod uses vanilla spawning code and not another system

[fast gull]

yep, only if you enable the setting it will use the value you set there, otherwise does not matter the value, it will not use it

[fast gull]

thats correct

[storm wagon]

Okay cool, so it's a lot like how AdvancedCompany used to be / is

[fast gull]

also for custom items and such, im reworking it to also include those checks to avoid problems

[fast gull]

yea kinda, but just for sake of my sanity I should say all the features you see where planned or implemented before AdvancedCompany was even a thing

[storm wagon]

Gotcha, just took a long time in development? Haha

[fast gull]

the enemy spawn weights did indeed

but I got it so you can spawn every enemy in every moon

as most of the custom enemies wont spawn in custom moons by default sadly

[storm wagon]

Gotcha

So another question: Some of these enemies appear to say the wrong thing as far as where they spawn

[fast gull]

what do you mean?

oh yea, thats a typo as far as Im concerned

[storm wagon]

Gotcha. Cuz it looks like a lot of the inside enemies say Outside and vice versa, but then some are just wrong

[fast gull]

anyway if you encounter any issue with the enemy spawning feel free to report it and I will fix it as soon as posible

[storm wagon]

Kk

[fast gull]

yea i noticed it and In the next released is correctly named

[storm wagon]

Okay cool. It would be cool to have separate spawn lists for inside, outside, and daytime in the config, that way using StarlancerAIFix I could, for example, set Jesters to spawn outside on a moon if I wanted

Jesters are broken in StarlancerAIFix right now, bad example

But uh you hopefully get what I mean

[fast gull]

hmmm I can add a config for that but im not sure how correct would it be

enemy types have defined where they should spawn so modifying that might cause issues

I have not tried it so I cant say for sure

[storm wagon]

Fair. I know StarlancerAIFix kinda post-patches that so like, could always include a disclaimer that spawning things where they're not supposed to be without that may cause issues

In the base-game, for example, spawning a Hoarding Bug outside leads to it navigating to a certain spot on the moon and then basically ceasing to do anything else, whereas with StarlancerAIFix they just use the outdoor AI nodes like they should

But yeah, it'd be nice to be able to configure enemy spawns inside, outside and daytime, just for full control

[fast gull]

I can check but as you said, most enemies wont work correctly without other mods as dependency

[storm wagon]

Mhm, you're not wrong, that's why a disclaimer of some sort would be good. Perhaps the first time you check an enemy that spawns in an incorrect place, have a pop-up that just says things might break

This mod also currently does not support custom weathers, don't know if that's planned or not

[fast gull]

That could work even though doesnt seem very "professiona" lol

[fast gull]

Yea, weathers are kinda weird, its planned but there are some issues on how the game registers weathers, so adding compatibility is very difficult

[storm wagon]

Makes sense

[fast gull]

in the technical aspect, weathers use an enumerable, which in theory cannot be modified

so that would depend on how other modders implement those weathers

but yea its planned, its a matter of techinical difficulties

[storm wagon]

Perhaps a more professional solution is, in the Global section, have a checkbox that says "Enable Advanced Enemy Tweaks", that would be disabled by default but when enabled allow you to adjust the spawn weights of all three places (Inside, Outside, Daytime). Then you can put the description there and why it's disabled by default at the top like your other pop-ups

Global section of Planets, specifically, since you'd be adjusting spawns per-planet

[fast gull]

I mean, adding new configs is not the issue, rather adding some configs that would just break using a disclaimer

mostly because I have already check that almost no one reads the tooltips for the configs lol

I will keep it in my radar but I will need to check how could I implement that without breaking vanilla compatibility or other mod's compatibility

[storm wagon]

Fair enough, I trust that you'll know your mod better than I will. I just want to have that extra control especially since mods like Wesley's Moons already let things spawn in places they typically shouldn't

Using StarlancerAIFix as a dependency

For example, a screenshot from Wesley's Gloom:
Bracken is set to 10. Is that for Inside? If so, then that means I can't tweak the value for Outside, despite them spawning outside

[fast gull]

Yea I could definetly add starlancer as a soft dependency to fix this

[storm wagon]

Just looking out for incompatibilities to help out

[fast gull]

Yea, for now you cant unless its other enemy, never though a mod would modify their spawning where they are not supposed xD

Im not sure what mods add that capability, I can check and see if that would work for outside spawning

[storm wagon]

Almost all of Wesley's Moons do it and he's one of the most popular moon creators hehe

[fast gull]

Well, its not really an incompatibility, rather something that is not currently added xD

[storm wagon]

No I getcha

I'm just looking for potential ones

[fast gull]

I tend to just play vanilla, do not know most of the mods lol

[storm wagon]

That's totally fair

[fast gull]

Anyway if you go to any of its moons, that value might be for their spawning outside

the detection process for enemies is automatic so depending on how that is implemented, that might work

[storm wagon]

Gotcha. I can do some playtesting and see if anything odd happens because of StarlancerAIFix and Wesley's Moons currently

Cuz Asteroid-13, for example, has Coil-heads both inside and outside

So I'm curious which one the config is grabbing

Welp, landed on Asteroid-13 and immediately saw a Coil-head (that was also giant and had a massive machinegun on its head, thanks mods)

So I don't think its broken their spawns at least

[fast gull]

Alright! They should be semi compatible, meaning they will work as they are intended but LCV will not handle their changes to the game

[storm wagon]

Okay. It'd be nice to have configuration for that eventually but for now this is really good

[fast gull]

im curious too, I think the outside will be used

[storm wagon]

I've been seeking out AdvancedCompany replacements now that the dev is effectively stepping away from it

[fast gull]

Well, since AC left the community a long time ago Im trying my best to supply what that mod had that this one didnt

so anything you need let me know!

[storm wagon]

The only things I'm missing atm tbh are the configurations above I just stated, and the equipment items, but someone else said they'd take a shot at those

[fast gull]

so If I understood correctly, the capability to spawn enemies outside/inside or wherever you please, right?

as for the items*, LCV is focused in tweaking values for the game rather than implementing new stuff like items, moons or enemies

[storm wagon]

Yup. Quite a lot of modded moons have started doing it and it'd be nice to have that extra control, especially since I can control modded enemy spawns too in order to make the more dangerous ones only show up on more dangerous moons

The extra control over modded enemies is the main thing I'm looking for

I'm a little concerned cuz I didn't see any Coil-heads inside... Hopefully they're still spawnin

[fast gull]

Alright, do you mind providing me wth an example mod that does that so I can test for an implementation?

[fast gull]

they should spawn but with the natural probability, which might be low

[storm wagon]

Wesley's Moons has enemies that do it on pretty much all of his moons, but that's a pack of 13 moons, if you want a smaller test sample, his Asteroid-13 mod has Coils set to 100 both inside and outside when I look at AdvancedCompany's list

I think it has a relatively low spawn curve cuz it's a free moon, but it's somewhere they spawn inside and out

[fast gull]

alright, will try to implement it for a future release

[storm wagon]

Awesome

Oh fair warning, if you want to buy items you'll need CompanyCruiserFix for Wesley's Moons atm

They haven't been updated to v56 properly because he's been busy working on updates

But other than that, they work

[fast gull]

alright, will keep that in mind

thank you for the suggestion!

[storm wagon]

Thank you for keeping configuration alive

[lyric gull]

could you elaborate? i have a really big bug where jester isn't deactivating after we leave the map

im not sure whats causing it

[storm wagon]

Honestly I don't entirely know

[lyric gull]

what was the bug with starlanceraifix?

[storm wagon]

That's what I'm saying, I don't know, I just know Jesters don't work properly

I haven't looked too much into it

[lyric gull]

gotcha

any source for this so i can look into it too

where'd you hear that from

[flat dagger]

man i love this mod

[fast gull]

glad to hear you enjoy both the mod and an overwhelming amount of eyeless dogs

[flat dagger]

(this was at 11 am)

😄

[fast gull]

oh wow, that sounds like a challenge

[flat dagger]

cuz it was eclipsed and i removed the power stuff

so the only cap is the enemy amount

[fast gull]

you mean the cap from individual enemy? (enemy capacity)

[flat dagger]

yes

[fast gull]

sky is the limit

a x2 is always a good option for en extra challenge lol

[flat dagger]

eh

im being camped by 3 giants and my friends are lost so

i think im good for now

[fast gull]

oh okay lol

yea giants are kinda unfair

but eyeless dogs on the other hand are a pretty fun enemy

[flat dagger]

and i have the ship windows (i rly need to remove that mod) so the giants can see me in the ship and camp

[fast gull]

the window mod is missing some curtains imo

[flat dagger]

real

[flat dagger]

btw they have no idea it was modded at all lol

[fast gull]

poor them lol

[flat dagger]

i hate the hygroere bro

i was bout to escape a nutcracker and mimic but i died last second to a slime

[flat dagger]

3 masks lol

[flat dagger]

i love how at 2 pm every outside enemy just decided to pop uop

[ruby flicker]

😔

[native cloak]

Only 2x?

[flat dagger]

my favorite mod 😄

[ruby flicker]

true....

[fast gull]

wait till everone can play with predefined seeds :)

[ruby flicker]

👀

[flat dagger]

imagine only spiders

[flat dagger]

together, we are the braken gang

[ruby flicker]

my god...

[flat dagger]

lol

[flat dagger]

i usually just play without enemy power so more enemies can spawn (besides with giants and dogs i give em power cuz i dont want 8 dogs 😦 )

and made the max old birds 3

[fast gull]

wait, are you the monster?

[fast gull]

you can just increase the power for the levels, that way you can still make some planets harder than others

[flat dagger]

yes

[flat dagger]

ik but still

but i dont like the power cap thing besides for dogs and giants

[fast gull]

Recently I have found that the panels for the configurations do not remain open or closed as you left them the last time you modified configs

are you guys experiencing that same issue?

[flat dagger]

yeah

[fast gull]

Well, something more that needs some troubleshooting then lol

[ruby flicker]

😔

[balmy hedge]

I might just have to re-do my whole modpack @fast gull

even if I delete my configs, uninstall, reinstall the mod, it still sets every single sellbodies item to 0

on a fresh profile it works just fine, but on this one it's just always like this

[fast gull]

try clicking the buttons at the left side of the panel

the X if I correctly recall

[balmy hedge]

i swear to god if it's that LOL

[fast gull]

im not sure, that just gets again the value from source

just click both to be sure lol

[balmy hedge]

IT WAS THAT

[fast gull]

lmao

[balmy hedge]

i would've had this thing done a week ago if I wasn't so dense

LMAO

thanks buddy

[fast gull]

that means you had you config saved for that profile rather than for that preset

[fast gull]

no problem mate, anything you need!

[balmy hedge]

oh and a quick question, I assume it's grabbing these values from the sell bodies defaults, no?

if I config values thru the sell bodies config, would those apply or would the variables values apply?

[fast gull]

items, enemies and moons get their values the same moment they are created

thats why if a mod modifies it's value during playtime, LCV cannot do anything

[fast gull]

afaik sell bodies would override LCV

because it modifies the value during playtime

[balmy hedge]

aight! neato

[strange dragon]

cool mod but doesn't sync

doesn't seem to sync time speed and door power last time i checked

[flat dagger]

🤦

[fast gull]

for the time of day all playera need the mod

[strange dragon]

i have it in the modpack all my friends use

so when the door power is 80 for me, it's 50 for them

[fast gull]

hmmm, door power is synced by default with vanilla

can you share profile and config?

[strange dragon]

sure one second

[flat dagger]

whats a good cap for old birds?

:)

[fast gull]

maybe 3 is a good cap

for something vanilla-ish

[flat dagger]

Yeah thats what I used lol

[flat dagger]

i went inside at 4 pm and got jumped by a coilhead (i love this mod)