Lethal company variables [Configure everything to your liking]. (formally LethalCompanyVariables )

[fast gull]

still weird that the hoarder mod causes the issue..

[noble jetty]

yup, thanks again ☺️
I've been disabling other more...related mods for days and I agree - that felt innocuous ^^

[south whale]

Scopophobia also doesnt work

[fast gull]

You're welcome!

Also, if you happen to found other weird issues and you have no clue on why

Try this method

except tmodloader is the discord server of LC

It makes sense but is not widely known

[noble jetty]

Hehe, thanks, I already do some binary search in these cases - I incorrectly assumed by exclusion LCV could have either faced a corner-case scenario - or at least provided an insight on the reason ^^

[fast gull]

Thankfuly it was not a edge-case

I hate edge-cases

[noble jetty]

I almost missed this :S
Ugh. Isn't there another event happening right after to counter-override that via LCV? :S

people just love overrides I guess - the time on a moon, the power of an enemy, its spawn chance, a resurrecting player altering the total, etc.etc. T__T

[fast gull]

Not really, LCV sets the power when creating the game so other mods can modify it afterwards

[fast gull]

Yea, I would arguee that doing so for a mod that specifically does that is okay, but adding that as "why not" breaks the whole purpose of the mod

[dreamy ibex]

Changing facility size doesn't sync with other client's so fire exit fall's outside map and different generations spawn

[fast gull]

@dreamy ibex do the other clients have the mod? Factory size is one of the configs that require all players to have the setting

[dreamy ibex]

yep ill see if the code export kept settings however

[fast gull]

You need to save as preset, then the preset will be shared among the profile

[minor slate]

would there ever be a way I can change all moon values without having to individually change each one, one by one

[fast gull]

what do you need to change? there is a global modifier for all moons in the planets page

[safe tundra]

Actually, this might be why the time desynced before
I as the host tweaked the daytime speed directly, but i never made it as a preset + exported with the profile code

[fast gull]

You dont need to

[safe tundra]

oh you dont?

[fast gull]

The configs sync with every client in real time

presets are only to share configs among other people or debug purposes

[minor slate]

for some reason when I modify enemy spawns it doesn't do anything

[minor slate]

@fast gull I also am using v50

here is the error

[fast gull]

Can you check if the issue happens with only LCV?

Im currently away from home but Ill check as soon as I get back

[minor slate]

I'll have to test it out tommorow AEST time
since its quite late atm
and to check if the issue happens with other mods would I use something like lethal utilities?

[fast gull]

If the issue is that enemies spawn vanilla regardless of your config, make sure there are no mods trying to set their own settings

[noble jetty]

That looks like Control Company being unable to get a random number for some reason, while creating the "possessing ghost". Not sure how that entity is considered. If that only happens on the host could be the reason of some desyncs. Have you tried disabling/uninstalling ControlCompany and see if the error+ issue you're describing is still there?

[fast gull]

I think the issue might be related to a change in the deadline, If i remember well that method with the error can produce that issue if the deadline is changed (thats what I remember from long ago)

[minor slate]

That was indeed the issue

[fast gull]

Did you fix it?

[native cloak]

@fast gull I'll most likely be playing Lethal tomorrow so I'll let you know if I end up breaking anything or if it all works as intended. I will record it and have the console up incase I run into any bugs.

[fast gull]

Nice! Tell me if anything breaks although thanks to the feedback with the update I hope everything is working fine by now

[native cloak]

Ya, I gave it a bit to give time for some of the major bugs to be fixed

[fast gull]

Funny that you mention that

LC had a patch yesterday

For all the changes it has, Im pretty sure some mods may have broken

[native cloak]

I did here about that but I didn't know what changed

Last time I played was during the Beta lol

[fast gull]

Oh, Im not sure what changed from the beta, didn't play it

But the patch seems to only fix or optimize internal stuff

[native cloak]

Luckily the modpack I'm using is just remodels, lag fixes, and LCV

Well those + scan for enemies

It's just a helpful mod to have

Did the patch also break LCV or did it not need to be fixed?

[fast gull]

no fixes needed

LCV should be 100% fine

[native cloak]

That's pretty lucky

[fast gull]

Seems like the patch is just light code optimizations

[native cloak]

I'll let you know if I end up running into any double ghost girls again lol

[fast gull]

Nothing to worry about

[native cloak]

It was most likely just a 1 time thing anyways

I think the one I had with the centipedes was because I killed one and it ended up spawning another one

And scan for enemies tracks dead enemies too

[fast gull]

Makes sense but weird

[native cloak]

Do you think there is a minimap mod that shows enemies but not scrap?

[fast gull]

Not that I am aware of

minimap mods just tend to place a camera with the same filter as the ship one, works but is cheap

[native cloak]

I see

I might suggest that

Or maybe just an enemy Radar

Let's you know if there is an enemy nearby

[fast gull]

Im more inclined into the idea of not knowning how many giants are waiting for me at the emergency exit

[native cloak]

20

[fast gull]

last time I played (using the settings from v49 into v50) a issue happen that forced like 20 baboons to spawn and all run into me

[native cloak]

I wasn't planning on using it in my 10x spawns modpack but it would be cool

[fast gull]

spoiler || they killed a giant ||

[native cloak]

Lol

[native cloak]

|| Can't wait to play tomorrow and get jumped by 20 Mechs. ||

[fast gull]

|| I only know they exist, not sure where, how or when do they spawn so if you find any issue related to them and LCV let me know ||

Also, don´t forget to renew the config for the newer version of LC, otherwise || new enemies and stuff won't appear that much ||

[native cloak]

|| Would you like to know where they spawn or find that out yourself? ||

[fast gull]

|| Find myself, I didnt knew there are hidden moons and just spoiled myself by updating LCV lol ||

[native cloak]

Oh lol, Fair. Goodluck on your adventures.

[robust bison]

that's a diff between the beta and the hotfix or between v49 and current?

[fast gull]

diff between v50 release and v50 patch that dropped yesterday

[robust bison]

oh no

[fast gull]

dont worry

is just code optimizations and im almost sure it was done automatically

so nothing should break or only a few mods

[robust bison]

Oh, that update

it was just 2 fixes

[fast gull]

something wity player movement i suppose

[robust bison]

masked: 1 line fix

and the slope stuff

[fast gull]

yea, those were the breaking changes i saw

all the other stuff was mostly collections

[minor slate]

Yes I did

the issue was the deadline being changed

idk if you can actually fix that at all

[fast gull]

did you fix that issue by changing the deadline days from LCV menu?

[minor slate]

yes

[fast gull]

Then yea, I can fix that

It might be a little tricky but ill look into it

[minor slate]

Alright thanks

[fast gull]

This is something hardcoded into the game, I will fix it asap

@minor slate Do you mind sending me your profile code and config preset that produced the error? Ill check if a hotfix I made works

[minor slate]

how would I do that?

[fast gull]

For the preset go ingame and create a preset within the menu so your config gets shared with your profile. for the profile, click on settings and export sa code

@here I just uploaded a hotfix for an issue regardin enemy spawning when the deadline days was modified :)

[fast gull]

Quick reminder this pool exists and closes in 1h

[native cloak]

It's tied

Both are good options

[native cloak]

@fast gull I just started messing with it and spawns seem way slower

[fast gull]

Way slower compared to vanilla or to v49?

[native cloak]

v49

I have them set to 25x for testing and 50 for starting enemies and this is all that spawned by 1 PM

[fast gull]

Seems like manticoils are just getting all the spawns

[native cloak]

And I did turn up the power levels

[fast gull]

the power level of the level or the enemy?

[native cloak]

I thought outside enemies and inside spawn seperately?

[native cloak]

level

[fast gull]

Yea, they are

Hmmm, seems weird that enemy spawns are that slow

[native cloak]

Outside enemies seem to work fine

might have something to do with there vent spawning

[fast gull]

Right now im busy working

But I can send you the debug version of LCV so you can check if the spawns are getting multipled

so I can just fix anything weird happenin

[native cloak]

Ight, sounds good

I'm trying to read the console but it's just getting spammed with "FS"

[fast gull]

FS?

[native cloak]

no idea, That's all it says

[fast gull]

Well, luckly these logs are in crimsom red so you will be able to see them better lol

[native cloak]

ok good

I found out since other people don't need LCV for enemy spawns and my modpack is all client sided mods, I can host a public session, wait for people to join, and listen to them scream when they walk in and get chased by 6 Thumpers

[fast gull]

what do you mean only 6?

[native cloak]

Oh ya my bad

I meant 60

That was a typo

[fast gull]

thats better lol

[native cloak]

Also for some reason, Centipedes are disabled (By default) but still spawn on Assurance

[fast gull]

Disabled means that LCV does not modify that spawn rate

so basically the mod is not detecting the spawn chances for the centripede, thus not modifying it by defualt

Not sure how did I miss that lol, let me look up the chances and fix that

[native cloak]

Ooh, so would I want to enable the ones that should be enabled?

[fast gull]

wait the probability is added

[fast gull]

As the tooltip says, if the enemy is enabled, LCV will decide how to spawn them, if not, is default behavior

Is basically done to allow the player to spawn any enemy on any custom moon

as from what I know, custom enemies can't spawn in custom moons by default

@native cloak What does the tooltip say about the centripede? try to set it to default

[native cloak]

Oh, would it affect how many spawn though?

[fast gull]

wdym

[native cloak]

If I keep it disabled but set spawns to 25x would it still multiply that?

[fast gull]

That's only the probability

[native cloak]

Would I have to load in for that?

[fast gull]

you would multiply the amount of enemies to spawn

then if the game decides to spawn 10, it will use the probabilities to select which 10 enemies

[native cloak]

Ooooh, I see

[fast gull]

Nono, hover over the configuration, the panel that appears at the top of the menu with some information

[native cloak]

So if I want everything to use Vanilla probabilities, I just disable everything?

[fast gull]

not really, by default it's the vanilla probability

the only difference is that those that are "enabled" have a known probability for LCV, those who dont will be ignored

[native cloak]

Oh so in my case it would basically have the same affect?

[fast gull]

yes

[native cloak]

Should I turn off Roaming Locust spawns for this test or keep them on?

[fast gull]

You only really need to know the spawn amount

So you don't need to change probabilities

Anyhow, are you sure that spawns are not being limited by the spawning range configuration?

[native cloak]

I'll send an image

[fast gull]

Uhu, maybe that many enemies are throttling the vents

[native cloak]

Maybe, I tried 10x and it still seemed a but slow

[fast gull]

Go in game and check if the spawns are being multiplied

Maybe something is clamping them to a lower value

you should be able to see a line like Modifying inside spawns [original -> modified]

[native cloak]

Right when I land?

I'm not seeing anything that says that

It would be in red right?

[fast gull]

No, it appears like each hour or something like that

depends on the update cycle of the game

but should appear in red and multiple times during the day

[native cloak]

Ya, I didn't see anything

[fast gull]

Do you have the fatal error logs enabled?

(I use fatal just to see them better with the console spam from other mods)

[native cloak]

I think so, it's showing the configurable company ones

And those are Fatal

[fast gull]

what?

Configurable company should not have fatal logs shown

That's only for the debug version

[native cloak]

Huh?!?!

[fast gull]

what logs did you see from configurable compnay? xD

[fast gull]

no, thats the correct one lol

[native cloak]

oh

[fast gull]

Those are in fact the logs you are looking for

yea, internally the mod is called Configurable Company variables

[native cloak]

I see

[fast gull]

just because originally this mod was a test for Configurable company

Seems like its modifying the inside spawns

by a lot...

[native cloak]

250 yet there is like nothing spawning

[fast gull]

after those logs

[native cloak]

well, not nothing

[fast gull]

does it show anything about "enemy selected"

[native cloak]

In red?

[fast gull]

no, unity logs

from vanilla game

it should at least show one per enemy selected to spawn

keep in mind that those are selected to spawn after a random amount of time has passed

[native cloak]

It looks like it failed to spawn a ton of enemies

[fast gull]

the only concering there is the Enemy 0 could not be spawned

This should only mean that the enemy has reached it's spawn limit (or if im sure, there are no more available vents)

[native cloak]

Should I try upping the facility size and see if that changes anything?

[fast gull]

but power of 20 means there are already a lot of enemies inside, doesn't it?

[native cloak]

Just means there are like 4 bunker spiders

or something like that

[fast gull]

spiders have a power of 2

that should mean at least 10

[native cloak]

oh they do?

[fast gull]

hmm

enemies are selected at that moment but only spawn after some time

give it two minutes or something so they get out of the vent

[native cloak]

ight, I'll try that

[native cloak]

This is apparently what it's tracking as 20

Also here is the FS spam I was talking about

I think it has something to do with the Tulip Snake

Imma disable that enemy and launch again

[fast gull]

I wonder if is there a mod to see how many enemies are inside vents waiting to spawn

[native cloak]

Good question

I will say it does try spawning a ton right as I start

[fast gull]

Hm, Im not sure why x25 goes from 0 to 250

that does not seem like 25

[native cloak]

Lol

Maybe the range is multiplying 10 by 25?

[fast gull]

range is the last thing to apply

but is definetly weird

[native cloak]

Also I set all enemy powers to 1 and it's still using there default

[fast gull]

wait

did you save the configs?

[native cloak]

I think so

I can load in again

[fast gull]

seems weird that not even that is working

[native cloak]

Also here is another Enemy 0

I mean, Spawns aren't bad for say it just doesn't feel like 25x

I wish there was a way to customize how many vents spawn

Or the vent spawn chance per room

[fast gull]

There is definetly something happening there causing a problem with the spawns

let me modify something from the mod to check the amount of occupied vents so we can check if that's the issue

[native cloak]

It most likely is

I could check this by just making the Facility bigger

[fast gull]

try changing the facility size

just to see if the spawns get better

[fast gull]

Yea, seems like a good idea

[native cloak]

Also just checked, enemy powers were saved, they were just not working for some reason

[fast gull]

I guess they still dont work right?

It might have something to do with the cache

Try restarting the game

[native cloak]

Is this what I'm looking for btw for Facility size?

I did 10x normal size

[fast gull]

it should be before that

[native cloak]

I mean, this got spammed more than usual

[fast gull]

yea thats because there are more rooms afaik

the message should be just before that, also in red

[native cloak]

I'm not seeing it

[fast gull]

you should be able to see something like "Level size {planet name}"

[native cloak]

That's what's before it

[fast gull]

maybe even before... it should be there lol

[native cloak]

Ya, anything before that is me launching

Also enemies aren't spawning anymore than usual

[fast gull]

Can you see if you find a text RoundManager::Awake (Postfix)

[native cloak]

I'll look

This is all I see

[fast gull]

Can you send me the logs?

[native cloak]

ya

[fast gull]

Not good not being able to see that line

Is what triggers all the configs for enemies and stuff to be modified

[native cloak]

I think this is everything that happened since I clicked play

[fast gull]

seems to be working

[native cloak]

Oh, I didn't see that

[fast gull]

I think you can do Ctrl+F to search in the console

[native cloak]

Is that located after or before I launch?

[fast gull]

but pause the game (click in the console)

[fast gull]

Is located after starting the game

[native cloak]

That is very helpful

[fast gull]

the match

[native cloak]

Either way, it didn't seem to increase spawns anymore

It actually seemed to be slower than the previous test for some reason

I think it does have to do with just not enough vents to spawn everything quick enough

[fast gull]

I can see from the logs that it selected 25 to spawn

but choosing the probabilities only let 4 to spawn

then it stopped

[native cloak]

oh

[fast gull]

There might be a condition im not taking into consideration or maybe it cannot spawn that many in one go

[native cloak]

Do you think it is possible to add settings for vent spawns? For example

• Enemy Vent spawn timer
• Vent spawn rate
• Vent spawn chance (per room)
• Vent spawn cooldown
• etc

Or is that not possible?

[fast gull]

I haven't seen anything related to vents yet so im not sure what could be possible and what couldn't

[native cloak]

mh

[fast gull]

the only thing that can reduce the amount of enemies is this

[native cloak]

What does that do?

[fast gull]

forces the amount of enemies to spawn to be between 0 and the amount of vents in the level

Im adding a log to see the amount of vents in the level, to check if that is the issue

[native cloak]

oh

[native cloak]

k

[ruby quail]

I may be providing old irrelevant news here, but I'm just popping in to say that I had an issue with no enemies spawning in v50 and thought it was LCV. I tried a ton of other modifier mods and still couldn't get anything to spawn. I found out it was the Scopophobia mod, or more specifically something to do with LethalLib with regard to that mod. Disabling Scopophobia caused enemy spawns again. Not sure if it's working as intended, testing now, but they're spawning.

Also what's up with all the enemy power levels being 0 when you first boot up LCV (or reset to defaults), save for a couple of the vanilla mobs? Is that not actually the case?

[fast gull]

I think LethalLib is kinda deprecated or obsolete, not sure tho...

My recomendation is to not use it and wait for LLL to implement custom enemies and stuff

[fast gull]

Can you show me the configs that you mean?

[ruby quail]

I agree, but unfortunately I have quite a few mods I like a lot that depend on it.

[ruby quail]

Sure thing:

This is how they look when I first installed or if I Reset to Default Values. It seemed odd to me but I assumed maybe it was using vanilla values and just not showing it. I updated them to approximately vanilla values just to be safe and it seems to be working as intended. So it's really not a big deal, I just wanted to make you aware and was curious if this was intented behavior.

After some testing with Scopophobia disabled, it looks like all mobs are spawning how I've set it up with LCV in my own profile.

Here's my current build if you want to take a look further:
018ef765-7de3-d474-71c7-5600d7dc35b4

[fast gull]

Buff Then is complicated

[ruby quail]

I'm not sure what you mean

[fast gull]

To use LLL instead of lethal lib

[ruby quail]

Oh, right. Gotcha

[fast gull]

That issue might be related to other mod changing the values right before LCV*, Im away right now but you can try disabling those mods temporarly and the default values should load correctly

[ruby quail]

Would it be possible to get a setting to allow vanilla or modded scrap to spawn on certain moons? There are some custom moons that limit the pool to the few scrap items that they add and it becomes very repetitive, so adding back in the vanilla / immersive scraps would be nice

[fast gull]

Im already working on a solution for that :)

[sonic gulch]

A suggestion I have in relation to that is--if it isn't a coding mess--being able to copy the changes/edits of scrap rarity across moons, for example if I went into Experimentation and customized the rarity for 10 custom scrap and left everything else default, I could essentially bring over to Assurance those 10 custom scrap rarities I intentionally changed without changing the Assurance default values of other scrap, if that makes sense. Would be a massive QoL for big moon modpacks that want to have more than 1 or 2 custom scrap without spending hours in the scrap editor.

other than that though, absolutely love the mod, integrates very nicely into the LC UI and looking forward to scrap menus regardless 🙂

[native cloak]

I think this is already on the todo list

[fast gull]

I will look into any way to add that feature but most likely will take some time to implement

[fast gull]

Thank you for the feedback!

[lost pendant]

Suggestions: Since the mod already has a weather related tab, can the following mods be implemented into LethalCompanyVariables? The first mod to integrate is having an option to hide weather indicators which adds difficulty. The second mod goes in hand with the first mod or could even be used alone. It allows the players to change of how much scrap/loot is worth (can be less or more than default) depending on the weather conditions.
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Term/UnknownWeather/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Blorb/WeatherMultipliers/
Another suggestion is adding a setting that allows the user to edit the travel cost to each planet. The mod below defaults every moon to zero.
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/TimeMonkey/Cheaper_Fuel_Company/
These suggestions are focused on adding more settings and consolidating mods into one if able. Thank you very much for reading, taking the time to respond, and being an active developer

[fast gull]

Funny enough hidden weather was a feature from LCV that was disabled sone versions ago, I was already in process yo being added back

For the other stuff, I think there are already suggestions in the excel but I can give them a priprization point

[lost pendant]

I remember this setting in the mod and when I was looking for it after coming back to the game, I couldn't find it and was a little confused. Thank you for clarifying 🫡

[fast gull]

No worries! Also you can formalize suggestions and check progress in the excel of the mod (its pinned in the channel)

[noble jetty]

yup, I noticed a manticoil has a power of 1 (!).
I suggest tweaking their base power values to 0.1, or even 0 if you're not worried about performance.
This applies to both manticoils and whatever decorative enemy has no real impact on gameplay. Like neutral locusts.
I'd personally lower the power of beehives and cap their max spawn amount.
Just be aware that this is going to leave a lot of room to enemy spawns - so you can forget about those occasional "enemyless" runs that used to happen before 😛 (at least, in vanilla)

[fast gull]

Just about that, two days ago I discussed with @native cloak about the enemies not spawning correctly, it indeed was a "bug" due to how the game forces spawns, I've made a workaround to make spawns consistant.
To give some context, high spawns were capped by the maximum amount of vents in the level, this could result in spawns being capped at 5/6 spawns per hour (inside the facility). I've removed that cap, allowing to consistenly spawn as many enemies as the player chooses

Also there is currently one issue regarding factory size. Im unable to test it since whenever I debug it, it fixes itself so I might need help with that lol

[noble jetty]

I'm quite sure one "reasonable" enemy cap would be 1 enemy per "room"(prefab), but I'm not sure the game creator implemented that.

I noticed for the first time enemies can..go back inside the vents (!). I'm not sure if it's a v50 thing but there could be a condition somewhere preventing an enemy to leave a vent if it's too crowded?

[fast gull]

the problem with the spawns is to make it work with vanilla users

However, I never heard or seen an enemy go back into the vent

[noble jetty]

While I understand that fixes the "millions enemy can't spawn in a level", but - as you just wrote - uncapping that can potentially change the gameplay balance for vanilla players.
Maybe only uncap it via a bool setting (false by default)? I'm aware of it because I read it here, but not everyone is on Discord to be aware of that.

[fast gull]

Don't worry, I already tested and It works with vanilla players

I try to make all configurations work with vanilla clients or at least don't mess with them if configs are left to default value

[noble jetty]

maybe it was one mod about mimicks I was using but they definitely got "sucked up" back inside the vent. And yes, I was the first to say "WTF?!?" XD

[fast gull]

Seems pretty weird, I would love to see how it works, could be a cool addition to the game

[noble jetty]

so, it's uncapped by default? Or there's a specific condition that make the uncap happen (I'd personally prefer to have some control over it)

[fast gull]

By default nothing will change, if you decide to modify the maximum amount of enemies or multiply them then LCV will create new vents so those enemies can spawn at the same time (as it would work with the vanilla cap), Those vents will also be created for the vanilla players so everyone will see and have the same experience

And the amount of vents will be updated automatically, players cannot modify the spawn

[noble jetty]

it was a combo using Mirage instead of Skinwalkers, and a branch of skinwalkers.
The only issue was mimicks spawning -at the same time- at the entrance as you also entered the indoor zone. which caused plenty of unfair deaths, so I decided to step back from using Mirage for a while ^^

[fast gull]

Yea, I don't like that mimics can spawn at the start of the day, thus being at the door when you arrive at the facility

I even have a clip of myself getting jumped by a mimic right after landing because of that

So going back to the enemy spawning, there won't be any differences if you never increased the spawns by a lot

If you did increase the spawns per hour then that value was being limited by the amount of vents in the level, now it wont

[noble jetty]

got it. It's really not an issue for me - I'm mostly thinking about people or modders relying or assuming that cap is in place and doing other kind of calculations based on that.
I was simply speculating on the importance to make that change explicit, somehow, in some way, so that "eventually, in the future" someone isn't going to get crazy trying to find the reason something's not behaving as expected.
...maybe I'm just worrying too much, got traumatized at work for undocumented stuff happening under the hood 😄

Like, a mod working on the assumed number of vents for some reason. Nevermind, I'm pretty sure there are things with higher priority than this. That is a clever way to preserve vanilla spawns tho! 🙂

[fast gull]

I totally understand your point and agree with you, even with the work thing, people never documnet stuff, Yet this change does not modify how vents work or anything, vents are an arbitary value determined by the level generation and the game provides a way to limit spawns. I think this change only makes the spawning multipliers and limits more reliable across all mods and moons

[fast gull]

There might be, maybe I see an issue being open in some time lol, but there is currently no other way more reliable than this one

And it even works for custom interiors

[native cloak]

Ya, it actually works flawlessly. It's actually crazy that this works

[kind python]

the door to nowhere

[fast gull]

@here

2.3.0

Fixed

• Preloaders won't fail if the method already exists
• Enemy spawn multiplier now will be clamped among other enemy spawning related configurations
• Fixed Centipede enemy type not registering for vanilla planets
• Fixed factory size not synchronizing

Modified

• Enemy spawns now won't be clamped by the amount of vents in the level. New vents will be created to spawn those enemies.

Added

• Configurations for player stats: health, defense, sprint, jump force and movement speed
• Reintroduced configuration to hide all weathers
• Added extra configuration to always display the in-game clock

The new configurations have a kinda different implementation approach, as always, report any issues and I will fix ASAP!.

[tiny helm]

Ever since the new update damage seems to be disabled despite not changing the health/armor config (New r2 profile)

except from insta kill sources like spike traps

[dreamy ibex]

+1

[fast gull]

I will look into it asap

[fast gull]

Ive fixed the issue, sorry for the inconvenience everyone (I forgot to do my math correctly for the release)

[tiny helm]

👍

[native cloak]

Huge

[native cloak]

lol

[vestal hazel]

This mod doesn`t work in vr 😭 (causes the game to launch VR in Theater mode)

[fast gull]

Hey @vestal hazelI don't have VR to check but I know there are VR users using the mod, I think there is a way to disable theater mode although Im not even sure what it is lol

[vestal hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-norris-breaking-bad-meme-angry-to-happy-hank-breaking-bad-gif-21371885

[stray mason]

This is related to that bepinex patcher issue, LCVR has not yet been updated to accommodate for this (it's only been fixed on the development version which can only be used outside of TMM/R2)

[fast gull]

Any idea on when will it be released so @vestal hazel has no issues?

[stray mason]

For now I'm still working on CWVR instead of LCVR, though if they really want they can use the development version (https://github.com/DaXcess/LCVR/actions/runs/8734672005) in the meantime

I also kinda want to add VR interactions for some of the new V50 items/environments for the next update

[empty dragon]

can you modify enough in LCV for it to spawn A lot of enemies, enough to make each match extremely difficult?

[fast gull]

Yea, you can basically force the game to spawn as many enemies as you consider

All following vanilla rules of enemy spawning (probabilities, batches, hours, vents...)

[empty dragon]

is this compatible with Brutal Company minus or Hullbreaker? they have weight spawns attatched to them
so would those mods and this contradict one another?

[fast gull]

I haven't checked, it depends on how those mods make the weights, if they add towards the pool of enemies, then both will work by adding each enemy, otherwise the values will just be overriden

so it wont cause any errors, just more enemies or overrided values

[empty dragon]

maybe a stupid question but what does infinite to infinite mean....like for enemy spawns should it always be set from zero to 10 for example as the default? and if I wanted to increase them do I just increase the secondary number or both?

[fast gull]

infinite means you can put any value of the accepted type, numberwise it is from.... a very low number to a very high number, limited by your computer

And those that have two values are a range, meaning you should set a minimum and a maximum

[empty dragon]

copy that

[fast gull]

Keep in mind enemies are an expensive process for the computer, better have optimization mods if you spawn to many

[empty dragon]

I have I think 4-5 performance mods for enemies

if its too much I can lower them

[fast gull]

you can also change the probabilities and limit individual enemies

for example if you only want 5 dogs at maximum

or if you want a higher chance for nutcrackers to spawn

[empty dragon]

I see that, located in the capacity spot

the probability I would assume is in the planets section?

[fast gull]

yep, and you can set them individual for each planet

yea

[empty dragon]

copy copy

[fast gull]

although you have a global one so no need to modify one by one

[empty dragon]

the global should overwrite for all of them then? and just make every map hellish together?

if I make every enemies weight 1 and their probably of spawning 1 then would it just openly spawn whatever enemy randomly by chance at that point? or will spawn weight in each individual moon section still take into consideration?

[fast gull]

global just multiplies the individual settings, so they add up both (leaving individual by default makes it work as you mentioned)

[empty dragon]

thanks for responding for all my questions btw, going to give it a test run

[fast gull]

in reality the only thing that matters is the difference between the weights, if all weights are set to 10 is the same as if they where set to 0 or 100, you need to set differences between them

[fast gull]

Glad to help!

[empty dragon]

also sweet you can change speed and stuff in this like you could in advanced company, thats nice

[fast gull]

yea, LCV was not that well known but I could arguee it offers as much as AC or more in some cases

[empty dragon]

Oh I honestly thought it was new, but thats due to AC being the front and center, I'm liking what yours has going for it and hope it helps with my modpack~

think you can add the ability to change shop prices as well as items in it alongside scraps in the game all in the mod itself?

[fast gull]

Funny enough this mod was released way before AC, before december

[empty dragon]

and look which one is around now thats a win to me

[fast gull]

Yea, all settings for individual scraps is something im still working on

[fast gull]

Im okay even if the mod is not that known, the only thing I didnt like it was AC said that he could replace my mod even when half the settings were not there ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[empty dragon]

can I do percentages like 1.5? or does it only use whole numbers?

[fast gull]

Depends on the configuration, it should say "decimal number" if it allows decimals

and those where there are no decimals is just because the game does not use decimals so it wouldnt make sense

[empty dragon]

oh I see it

I was in player stats and changing movement speed to a 2 seemed like a lot

[fast gull]

I can't remember what was the default value for it right now

but keep in mind is not a multiplicator, is a replacement

[empty dragon]

copy

side question does this mod work with Lategame upgrades?

[fast gull]

which part of it?

For all mods, LCV should just allow that mod to replace the setting that LCV had or multiply/add to it

[empty dragon]

I'll remember that, when (or if) i get the LGU mod and theres an issue I can check back then on that one

[fast gull]

That's the best idea, if you have any issues feel free to report them to me or use the in-game menu to create an issue report

[native cloak]

I could send you my config if you want, it should already be set up for 10x spawns and you could use that as a reference

[empty dragon]

yeah that'd be nice

[native cloak]

Ight, give me 1 second

[native cloak]

Here, Just copy this to your menu.

[ruby flicker]

this works with lethal regeneration nice

[cloud pasture]

Hi, is this mod compatible with Lethal Level Loader?
Cause it makes me have a black screen when I load in the game.

[native cloak]

I don't think so

[stray mason]

Wait does this always happen? I've seen it happen sometimes with VR players and I still don't know what causes it (and 90% of the time the issues doesn't arise at all)
If it can 100% be reproduced I can maybe finally put an end to that madness lol

[cloud pasture]

Yea, I tried deleting any preset or reseting to default values from lethal variables, but it always will be black, even with a new save file.
If I remove this lethal variables it works fine

[empty dragon]

LLL was just updated so I don’t think they’re compatible yet

[cloud pasture]

Yep, makes sense, no issues

[fast gull]

It should be compatible... what version of Lethal level loader are you using?

Also, can you check for any errors in the console?

Maybe that new update has broken compatibility

[cloud pasture]

v1.2.0

[fast gull]

If you could send me the logs I could create a fix as soon as I am back home

[cloud pasture]

Sure

[fast gull]

@cloud pasture I am not able to find anything in the logs atm, does this issue still happen while only having Lethal level loader and lethal company variables?

Im still away from home so if you could send a clip like the last one you did to see the errors from the video I would appreciate it!

[vestal hazel]

Logs with only the LLL and LCV

[fast gull]

I might need to do a deep dive but I only find something about the ContentType not existing...

@prime warren Sorry to bother but do you know anything about that?

[prime warren]

@fast gull can u elaborate

[fast gull]

The logs that sent zhorman show something after LLL loads ExtendedDungeonFlows where it tries to access ExtendedLevel.levelType and a field called ContentType throws a MissingFieldException exception

[prime warren]

ye that’s true

it’s uh

Derived now

[fast gull]

Did you remove that field or what happened

[fast gull]

wdym?

[prime warren]

ExtendedDungeonFlow inherits from ExtendedContent which had contenttype

Prob just needs a recompile

Maybe a uppercase i forget what it used to be

[fast gull]

So is it a problem with the current LLL build?

[prime warren]

Would have let you know in advance just didn’t know you we’re looking at it

[fast gull]

Cant recall adding nothing related to it with LCV

[prime warren]

not a problem just a change

Dunno whats looking at it if not you

the field did technically change tho

[fast gull]

Im not looking at that field nor custom dungeon flows

[fast gull]

No worries

[prime warren]

Can take a deeper look tomorrow, @ me if you find anything or need anything

[fast gull]

Okay I will rebuild LCV as soon as I get home, that should fix the issue... weird enough

[fast gull]

I would love to know if you modified anything related to how custom moons load, nothing else should break I think

[prime warren]

Uhhh

only change is i overhauled how the scenename is used

Should affect any mods like this I don’t think

[fast gull]

that should be fine

[prime warren]

levels to scene no longer have like a 1:1 correlation they have a weight based selection

I forgot I need to network that

hm

[fast gull]

About enemies, do they load whenever they want (vanilla enemies added by custom moons) or are they added always after/before vanilla loads the enemies

[fast gull]

that should be no problem

[prime warren]

They are dynamically injected into levels based on matching properties every route change

[fast gull]

what

So they are no longer replaced at the start of the game (once)?

[prime warren]

Oh the fake ones are still

But custom enemies can have dynamic rarities depending on stuff like weather

eg you could make an enemy only spawn on stormy levels

So every route change i look thru all that and refresh

[fast gull]

oh, well Im not sure what will LCV do with that

do you just replace its rarity depending on the condition?

[prime warren]

ye

[fast gull]

well, thats gonna break LCV

xD

so its rarity goes from 0 to their original value, right?

[prime warren]

If its 0 after the changes I remove from the list

[fast gull]

SpanwableEnemyWithRarity list?

[noble jetty]

Hi, I've just posted on the LLL thread but I have to confirm that disabling LCV solves the issue:
profile code: 018f103e-833e-0dad-8574-e58ede8b7fd8

[fast gull]

We have concluded that I need to rebuild the dependency for it to work again, Im not home rn but I will do it as soon as I arrive (in 4:30h aprox)

[noble jetty]

Sincerely thanks to both for looking into this, some initial friction was unlikely but expected.

(please take your time, no one wants you to burn out ^^)

[fast gull]

Dont worry, these things usually happen with how complex the compatibility is, The only problem is that today Im working in the office not in home to fix it fast xD

[fast gull]

No problem, no burnout at sight ;)

[cloud pasture]

@fast gull Sorry, got busy, but seems like you already got more answers. Thank you for looking into it. 8)

[fast gull]

@here Pushing the fix for the LLL issue right now

[golden swallow]

Haha, here I was disabling every mod in my list, finally found out that the incompatibility was with this mod, and you already have a fix incoming.

[fast gull]

@prime warren Is there any issue with your mod about loading an existing save from a previous LLL version or before installation?

@here Fix has been released, sorry for the delay but I took time to fix another issue among this update.

Fixed

• Added compatibility for latest version of Lethal Level Loader
• Synchronization issues with daytime speed multipliers

[viral cedar]

I'm a bit confused on how to save configurations i made. what exactly does "Load Preset" and "Save Preset" do? Do the presets not save the values to themselves when I save the configuration?

[fast gull]

To save and load configurations use the button at the left of the screen

presets are just a way to store settings for later use or even sharing with the profile

[viral cedar]

is there a way to make a config and save it externally in case its deleted somehow? that could also help too. but thanks for that info

[fast gull]

Configs won't be deleted except if you manually go to the file and delete them, they persist even if you delete your save file

But yea, presets are the way, you can create a preset and it gets saved with your profile

[viral cedar]

thank you!

[fast gull]

You're welcome!

[viral cedar]

sorry to bother again, but im looking at the preset file with the ccfg file (which i turned into Notepads to see the data) and the numbers havent changed inside yet?

just trying to make sure since i dont wanna keep modding the number everytime i wanna play

[fast gull]

You need to change the configs, then save them to create a prefab

[viral cedar]

ohhh so i edit the config, THEN make a preset for it?

[fast gull]

If a value is not saved it will appear in italic, meaning is temporal and can be reverted back to the previous value

[fast gull]

yea, presets save the current configuration

[viral cedar]

ohhhh thanks so much

[fast gull]

also, you don't need to save a preset, configurations are persistant forever (if you delete the profile you can still get them back)

Or just copy them to your clipboard if you prefer xD (there is an in-game button for that)

[viral cedar]

thanks so much, ive been struggling with it for a while now xd

[fast gull]

Don't worry, I understand it can be a bit confusing

Ask anything you need!

Also, if you play with friends, the configurations are automatically shared with them so you don't have to share them manually

And most settings work with vanilla players so you might not even need your friends to install the mod

[viral cedar]

might i suggest making the order of operations a little more clear? (just like put some text that says you make configs to the numbers, then afterwards make a name for the preset and save it)

i dont think it says the steps on Thunderstore either so thats why i was a little confused (btw i used Adv Com for a while so thats why i was a little lost)

[fast gull]

I appreciate the feedback, I will work on that

I didn't understnad what you meant about the numbers tho

Also, the reason it does not appear in thunderstore is because all that behavior is backed up by Configurable Company, not Lethal company variables itself

So yea, I might need to update Configurable company to make it's usage more clear...

[balmy hedge]

So i'm running into a bit of an issue, but idk if it's because of this so im just gonna comment on smth I noticed

While on the gameplay settings menu I notice that death penalty percent is tilted as if I'd modified it, even though it's at default and i never ever touched it

if another mod like Mirage modifies/eliminates death penalty percent for zombified players does that affect this aswell?

because I have a buddy without my preset and it won't let him join me even though not a single "Synchronize with client" is tweaked

[native cloak]

It's just a visual bug

[native cloak]

For this, Have you tried reimporting your own profile?

[balmy hedge]

seems like it worked after like, 5 tries

[native cloak]

Did you by chance read anything in the console when this was happening?

[balmy hedge]

nah, wasn't looking lmao

[native cloak]

All good

[fast gull]

@balmy hedge I can confirm the death penalty is just a visual bug and that your friends should be able to join regardless lf the configs so maybe some other mod was messing arround

[balmy hedge]

sick! yeah it wound up being just visual

[fast gull]

Working on something you might like

[balmy hedge]

oh my god....

this is incredible

[fast gull]

damn generating random numbers that don't go though the roof is kinda hard

[ruby flicker]

what dis mean

[fast gull]

I found out that doing random values could lead to unusable configurations

for example, there is no use for scrap value x999999

so I want to make values have a normal deviation

so is more common for a x1.10 than a x2.10

So i am doing the math rn

[ruby flicker]

oh

[noble jetty]

Hey @fast gull, I've just had a long session of "testing" 😛 - I believe there's a bit of overlapping/incompatibility with LateGameUpdates

• the whole section that tweaks the player (hp, jump, etc.). LCV overrides all LGU upgrades applied on the player ^^

[fast gull]

@noble jetty How does LGU modify those stats (aka when), Im not sure how LCV could be overriding them but I will take alook

[noble jetty]

I can provide you the profile I'm using (for debugging) but I'm not really sure who should fix what - lemme find if there's a thread for LGU and the creator is on discord.

#1178407269994594435 message @rich knot There you go, crosslinked the issue hoping to help making the two compatible ^^

[fast gull]

LCV only modifies stats when the player joins the game and, except the health which is also set after reviving the player

@hereImportant notice for everyone
The next update for Configurable company will sadly bring a limitation to the mod (Im not capable of finding alternatives). The limitation comes down to the maximum value for variables in general, it will be reduced from whaterver this number is 1.7976931348623157E+308 to 79228162514264337593543950335M

So yea.. now you wont be able to put... quadrillions(?) as values

[noble jetty]

wait - you were serious. How...when would anyone hit that number? ^^

[fast gull]

Yea, I was serious xD

When I developed Configurable company I made it bulletproof

So if a configuration sais Infinite, it comes close at least lol

[noble jetty]

Never say that in the presence of a mathematician 😄

[fast gull]

In that case

I will truly make them infinite in some update

Not that it is not posible

just that not very useful

[native cloak]

Huge

[native cloak]

What if we can set our own number range?

[fast gull]

Those ranges should be hardcoded by the developers to avoid problems

For example you should not have -1 health

So I need to hardcode health to be at least 1

[native cloak]

That's heart breaking 😔. Now I won't be able to run 1.7976931348623157E+308x enemy spawns. A shame

[native cloak]

Oh I see

[ruby flicker]

game runs normal until the next spawn wave
and then 0 fps then crash

[native cloak]

lol

[fast gull]

Did you try to set the spawns that high? lol

[native cloak]

New video idea, Lethal Company but enemy spawns are 1.7976931348623157E+308x

[fast gull]

The video ends when the game crashes

[ruby flicker]

video is 5 seconds long

[native cloak]

🤣

[fast gull]

I would love a video like that

just the game starting

the ship landing

and a chipped scream cut by the game breaking the computer audio and crashin

[native cloak]

lol

[ruby flicker]

LethalCompany.exe is not responding

[native cloak]

Exactly

[ruby flicker]

the game already can barly handle 100 enemys i can't imagine a billion

[fast gull]

Random settings are almost implemented

[native cloak]

even 25 is too much for the game

[native cloak]

huge

Then once that is done you could actually make your own challenge moons

[fast gull]

Im almost thinking about creating a cloud service to upload "challenge" configurations

[empty dragon]

I’m running at a
4
4
1000 - 1000
100 - 100
1000 - 1000
10
10

It’s fucking chaotic

[fast gull]

How is your game not crashing lol

[pliant lintel]

imagine with that and brutal company

wait is brutal still supporting v50 tho

[fast gull]

I think there is brutal company minus(?)

I was thinking about adding my own event-based mod

[fast gull]

@here Update Configurable company! Now you can randomize configurations!

The full changelog is in #1193563980300558437
Also I managed to implement it without reducing the number limit... even tho no one will ever use 1.7*10^308

[empty dragon]

A lot of performance mods. I’ll take a screenshot later if one of our games, it’s super chaotic. We love it though, don’t even need brutal company. Every day is a nightmare

[fast gull]

Also I've made a guide on how to use the menu, just in casy anyone needs it, here it is (github)

[wheat wagon]

hi i am trying to the edit the amount of money i start with but the edit never takes effect, every other setting works to my knowledge

nevermind i found the mod!

it was generalimprovements

[native cloak]

Oh

[wheat wagon]

it changes starting cash

you can just turn it off

[native cloak]

Ya if you disable that, it should work

[wheat wagon]

yeah it works great now lol

the ui and ease of use is amazing

[waxen canyon]

So, quick question. Is there a way to make certain enemies not spawn outside but do spawn inside? For context, I am running the Rolling Giant mod and have set them not to spawn outside but recent runs made me see them spawn outside. Checked settings and I indeed have them on false but was wondering if this mod could possibly be overriding the config.

[native cloak]

That's actually a good question

You'll have to wait for AMRV to wake up

[waxen canyon]

I was confused as to why this mod wouldn't have that option; if it doesn't already.

Sure.

[native cloak]

@fast gull Is it possible to add compatibility for mods that do this?

Or make outside enemies spawn inside?

[waxen canyon]

I was thinking more in a way AC (Advanced Company) does it, like specify what enemies you want to spawn outside and inside.

Unless you already mean that.

[native cloak]

ya

[noble jetty]

Solved, thanks to Pacoito from LateGameUpgrades, checking all patches affecting the jump.
The offending mod is GhostMode. I totally wasn't thinking that was changing the jump height in any way X_X

[south whale]

Lethal quantities does that

[fast gull]

rolling giants are ver weird, I think is possible to do so but the implementation they have makes it very difficult, I will try to add that feature but it might take some time

[fast gull]

how is that everytime I go to sleep issues happen

[fast gull]

depends on the mod, rolling giant is a weird one, thats the only issue

[native cloak]

lol

[fast gull]

LCV allows you to choose what enemies spawn inside and outsidw

but it gets a bit confused with enemies that could spawn both inside and outside

Hey @prime warren does LLL change the gameObject name or prefab of enemies?
Also, is there any way to check if a fake enemy from LLL is fake and is not a real one?

[prime warren]

no to both

[fast gull]

Alright, thanks!

@waxen canyon I will work on a way to detect it for a next release

[ruby flicker]

would it be possible for a player setting to make normally insta kill encounters only do set amount of damage

[fast gull]

Im not 100% sure, it could be possible but it might break a lot of stuff

like when the mimic blocked the input of the player after its animation

[ruby flicker]

i think v50 fixed the mimic one

[fast gull]

yea, I meant that more issues like that may occur

And even problems with other mods

I will look into it but im not sure it will be posible

If you could add it to the suggestions excel I would appreciate it

[ruby flicker]

k

[fast gull]

Thanks

[empty dragon]

I could be wrong but I think it uses vanilla spawns for enemies. Like outside enemies won’t spawn inside and vice versa. Could be wrong though. I have found using LCV with SEE that it controls enemies spawn variables pretty well.

[ruby flicker]

its there now

[fast gull]

Yea, all spawns follow vanilla rules

Also what is SEE ?

[empty dragon]

Starlight Enemy Escape

You can configure if enemies can go outside and inside on all of them. Using it with LCV it’s allowed me to have better control of the massive amounts of mob spawns I get and where they can be.

Nothing quite like a baboon hawk chasing you through the front door determine to kill you. Can even set it for dogs and worms to go inside…

[fast gull]

I really wanted LCV to make spawns reliable, glad to know it is the case

[fast gull]

Not sure how to feel about that, is it even possible to survive that?

[empty dragon]

We have been BARELY surviving the first three days with hordes of enemies inside and then outside is nothing but 10-15 mechs killing everything in site like it’s Helldivers.

[fast gull]

lol

so Lethal company but is helldivers

that sounds really fun and chaotic

[empty dragon]

Helps I have the Helldivers model replacement pack too

[fast gull]

you just need some weapons

[empty dragon]

We currently are trying to stab everything we come across, and usually die still. It’s a great time working for the company.

[fast gull]

wasnt the knife like OP agains nutcrackers?

maybe you can steal a few shotguns

[ruby flicker]

stratagem mod when

[fast gull]

could be pretty fun

like, literally destroying the whole LC gamplay lol

[waxen canyon]

I see, thanks for your input man.

[empty dragon]

literally our first day

[fast gull]

average day at the company

[native cloak]

Ya, That happens a bit

That's like every game

Titan is worse

Everyone's out going for that Q10 run, I should get Q10 with 10x spawns.

[fast gull]

Q10?

man 500h and I still dont even know the basic terminology

[native cloak]

I'm still learning

I gotta learn how not to die

[fast gull]

Nah, not dying is optional

[native cloak]

how to kill stuff better

[fast gull]

life is cheap for the company

[native cloak]

I gotta get better at the game first because 200 hours is not enough

I might start off with 5x spawns because I feel like that would be good practice

[fast gull]

buff

x5 spawns

I would just start by forcing at least 5 enemies per hour

also I noticed the spawning range when randomizing settings sets those values to high always

[native cloak]

People struggle a lot getting Q10 normally. Getting it with extra spawns would be insane

[fast gull]

i still dont know what does Q10 mean lol

is like the tenth quota?

[native cloak]

ya

[fast gull]

oh I see

[native cloak]

you complete 10 quotas

[fast gull]

May I add a scrap value multiplier per completed quota

[native cloak]

https://www.speedrun.com/Lethal_Company?h=10-quota-1-employee-glitchless&x=zdng49ek-gnx39zxn.1dkvpnjl-68ky6vzl.1dk4yr3l

[native cloak]

That would be too easy

[native cloak]

custom challenge moons would go insane but I think you also need to add a way to set seeds so it could pick a random seed per week.

Also is it possible to add leaderboards?

[fast gull]

that's insane, I only go above Q10 with 3 players or more

i also never play alone... xD

[fast gull]

random seed is pretty simple

[native cloak]

Ya, soloing it is the hardest thing you could do in game

[fast gull]

Is just that I dont want something cheap, like just a random value each week

I would prefer a monthly challenge but to be a true challenge

and to have a goal

not one day but "one day", "one quota", "10 days"..

[native cloak]

If a leaderboard is possible to make, that would add a goal on it's own

[fast gull]

I dont think a leaderboard could be benefitial, a lot of cheaters

I mean, if I had infinite time I could just one of my servers and check if someone gets a "cheated value"

[native cloak]

I wonder if there is a way to scan for other mods?

[fast gull]

hmm

Yea

I could check every loaded assembly into the game

but what should I do, disallowing specific ones?

there will always be workarounds

by just using cheat engine for example

[native cloak]

I would just say lock the challenge if you have any other mods or you could also make it so you have to record your run

And maybe have trophies in the form of cosmetics for More Company if that is even possible to do

[native cloak]

Also did not know this was even possible

[fast gull]

yea but that would be annoying

like forcing to have a set of mods to play the challenge

[native cloak]

true

[fast gull]

what if someone wants to have some cosmetics, some custom sounds or some QoL mods that wont affect the gameplay

its very hard to limit that

[native cloak]

I'm sure you could think of something

[fast gull]

My first LC mod was just a cheatengine to modify all the stuff I wanted

[native cloak]

oh wow

[fast gull]

Maybe check if mods modify X stuff but that would require a lot of work and time I dont have

yet it would be easier to make an anticheat tbh

[native cloak]

What if we go through mods and add them to an allow list? The list would start off small but would get bigger the more people suggest mods.

[native cloak]

Would that even be possible?

what if LCV just checks all of the values upon starting to make sure nothing has been modified

[fast gull]

from my experience at security stuff, that's not possible as mods appear and disappear daily, there are mods that are not in the thunderstore...

[fast gull]

well not a full on anticheat but just a faily simple mod to check if somsone is doing stuff that the game is not supposed to do

[fast gull]

the whole addition should be in Configurable company

not int LCV

as that would make any other mod that uses configurable company not usable

[native cloak]

actually that's fair

most of this would be for Configurable Company

[fast gull]

new functionallity: Configurable company
new settings: Lethal company variables

[native cloak]

ya

I would probably add a way to set seeds first so we have that available as a base feature but then I'm sure you could probably cook something up for challenge moons.

[fast gull]

with how configs can be shared I could just make a thunderstore code profile with the challenge and people could just film theirselves doing it

[fast gull]

not sure I understood what you meant with seeds?

You can use seeds for the RNG settings

[native cloak]

I think that would be the easiest solution, it just wouldn't be automatic

[native cloak]

The interior is always the same for everyone

[native cloak]

same enemies and everything

[fast gull]

ohhh

so seeded game

not seeded configs

[native cloak]

ya

[fast gull]

theorically that's easy

[native cloak]

So the leaderboard wouldn't be just getting insane luck but would actually be routing and skill

Kind of like the vanilla challenge moons

[fast gull]

I will think about it

but even if possible, Im missing time and resources

[native cloak]

Ya, it would be a ton of work but would add a lot

[fast gull]

I would still prefer to do other two projects

finish the event system...

[native cloak]

Oh true

[fast gull]

and other project I found could add a lot into the game and would make it harder by every time

basically a mod so you need to choose a debuf and a buf every quota

[native cloak]

Oooooooooh

[fast gull]

like +10% enemy spawns +10% loot value

[native cloak]

And they stack?

[fast gull]

yea

I got the idea from plateup

[native cloak]

that would actually be really cool

[fast gull]

a game about cooking

[native cloak]

And assuming it would also use Configurable Company for changing the debuff/buff values, enabling and disabling debuffs, and etc?

[fast gull]

yea

more players using configrable company and I can use something I already have "finished"

and it would be easier to create than LCV

showing all content before it is loaded into the game so the player can modify it was harder than I though at first lmao

[native cloak]

That's actually a cool mod idea

[fast gull]

I might put some work into it

as most of the stuff would require me to use things I already developed or used

[native cloak]

Ya, most of the stuff is basically already made with LCV

[fast gull]

yea

and the display, snychronization and stuff I could just use what I already developed for the event API

compatibility with vanilla players is always in mind

[native cloak]

Are you going to make the mod also stack with LCV values?

[fast gull]

it should work like any other mod

LCV sets the default but can be overriden

[native cloak]

Imagine 10x spawns turn into 11x because you get 10% added

[fast gull]

but if I do a mod like that, everything will be set after default values

so yea, would work

[fast gull]

that would be pretty funny

now I only need to add a name to the mod and I can start development lol

[native cloak]

Imagine you set 10% to 100% instead and your spawns go from 10 to 20

[fast gull]

ufff

I love the idea

so my idea would be to add like 3 options

each one has one buff and one debuff

or even have some with rarities

[native cloak]

I was just about to ask that lol

[fast gull]

I need to to go sleep and tomorrow is a special day

no wait

past tomorrow

but I will still be kinda busy

I will think about that mod cause it might be worth my time

hope someone here also sees these messages and agrees to not feel like spending half a month onto something no one will ever know lol

[native cloak]

I will most likely still be awake by the time you wake up so I'll be here

[fast gull]

pretty sure when I get up you might go to sleep lol

kinda funy the timezone difference

[native cloak]

ya

Especially since I wake up very late

[silk dagger]

I disable all traps, yet they still show up. Is there something I'm doing wrong when saving the preset?

[native cloak]

Do you have any other mods?

[fast gull]

Did you save the configs before creating the preset?

[silk dagger]

yes

[fast gull]

Alright

Mind sharing your profile code to check the issue?

[silk dagger]

yes one sec

018f25d2-5678-9d16-37ff-f95ec354d73e

[fast gull]

Alright, I will check the issue as soon as possible

Did you see anything weird in the logs?

Or do you have any other mod that could affect level generation

[silk dagger]

Don't think so

[flat dagger]

yo does this mod only need the host?

to install it to work?

[fast gull]

Depends on what you do with it, most of it's settings are host only

Some of the settings have a "Synchronize with clients" tag in the description to indicate that all clients need the mod

[flat dagger]

i only rly messed with the enemy spawnrates and max enemys

[fast gull]

I cant remember all the settings but im almost sure none of those settings require synchronization

[flat dagger]

alr thx

i also made it so enemies will spawn as soon as the moon lands

[flat dagger]

it would be cool if you could customize enemy spawn chances

[fast gull]

you can

in the planets section

[flat dagger]

oh lol

i forgot that tab existed

[fast gull]

lol, no worries

[flat dagger]

im guessing its 0 to 100% right?

[fast gull]

kinda

it's weight based

but 0 to 100 is all you really need

[flat dagger]

so if i had weight 0-5 it would work just as well

as 0-100

or would it not work like that?

like if i made enemies have weight 0-5

[fast gull]

if you have 3 weights (1, 10, 100) the "percent" would be from 0 to 111 (1 + 10 + 100) and then that would be the probability

so, the greater value, the higher probability

[flat dagger]

thats confusing lol

eh ill figure it out

[fast gull]

its how the game does it

[flat dagger]

ya ik

[fast gull]

in simple terms

consider it a probability but instead of 100% being the maximum

the maximum is the total of the values you set

[flat dagger]

also what are dust clouds?

[fast gull]

my guess is something the LC developer forgot to remove lol

some people report is as foggy but with less fog, others report is nothing...

it's weird

[flat dagger]

alr so just disable it lol

got it

[fast gull]

it wont affect your game by default

(its disabled by default)

[flat dagger]

ik

just set the thumper to spawn like a very little bit of the time and i got immidietly killed by it lol

I feel like enemies are spawning a lot more than they should be

like the rarier enemies i set are spawning more than i thought they would

and the super common enemies Im not really seeing

(that i set)

[fast gull]

did you modify the global chance or the per planet chance?

[flat dagger]

i think

im only playing on the planet i set it on thos

tho

to test

oh i did per planet

I just realised i did an oopsie

[fast gull]

I mean, if you modified per planet and you are on that planet

it should work

[flat dagger]

alr

what does the global enemey spawning settings do?

cuz i changed them and it might be messing with it

[fast gull]

is a multiplier for everything

[flat dagger]

oh alr so idk what it is than

[fast gull]

soo if you have some settings in assurance like a 50 chance

and the global is at 50

then the final chance is 50

but if the global is 100

then is higher chance

[flat dagger]

they r all set to 1

the global

[fast gull]

so it wont affect then

50*1 = 50

[flat dagger]

im just kinda sketch cuz i set the braken to be decently rare and it was the 3rd enemy to spawn

same thing with thumper the other round (but it would be a bit more common)

And im barly seeing stuff like looting bugs (they r like most of the spawn chance)

[fast gull]

can you show me the configs for those?

[flat dagger]

for the planet or?

[fast gull]

also, keep in mind a lot of stuff may happen, its just a probability after all

[flat dagger]

Ohh i see

[fast gull]

whatever you modified for them, so if only for one planet, that should do

[flat dagger]

i modified a bunch of stuff besides the planet

do i show u that as well?

or just the planet chances?

[fast gull]

only the probability and enemy cap should be relevant for this

[flat dagger]

so planet and capacity?

[fast gull]

yep

[flat dagger]

got it

how do i ss lol

or should i just

copy in my notes or whatever its called

[fast gull]

if you want, a screenshot will do

you don't have to send everything from the planet stuff, just the thing for the thumper, bracken and hoarder if those are the ones you modified

[flat dagger]

i modified a lot of em

but ill do that

there

it might just be rly bad rng as well lol

[fast gull]

you could crank those values up (increasing the difference in value between the enemies) but im almost sure it was just bad rng

sometimes the game is funny and decides to insta kill the player with a bracken in the entry so.. wouldn't be a surprise lol

[flat dagger]

alr

thx wasting ur time a bit lol

[fast gull]

nah don't worry, glad to help

however if that thing is happning constantly

let me know to check for any issue

[flat dagger]

alr

ive only tested it twice so it might just be a fluke

ok so a coilhead just spawned

i think i need to crank up the other enemies lol

it seems that they r just to common or smth

it would be cool if u could change enemy hp and stuff like that (as a suggestion)

dk how well that would work tho

[fast gull]

If you want to check if is there any issue, set all probs to 0 except two enemies, set them both to the same value and check if their chance is 50%-50%

[fast gull]

I could look into it, maybe it's possible (as everything should work with custom enemies...)

[flat dagger]

got it, also it seems to be better

got a 1:30 thumper instead of a start of the day thumper (i set it so 3 enemies spawn at the start of the day)

and daytime enemy spawns are working good

and i havent seen enemies that arent supposted to spawn

(i set them to 0)

instead of turning them off

[fast gull]

the way to disable them is setting them to 0

"disable" means that LCV will not modify that

[flat dagger]

oh lol

[fast gull]

I think it appears in the tooltip of the configs

but yea, the disable option is for special cases where for example an enemy should be handled by other mod or something

[flat dagger]

so if u dont want an enemy to spawn setting it to 0 doesnt work?

[fast gull]

nono, setting it to 0 works

[flat dagger]

alr got it

[fast gull]

I meant using the checkmark at the right of the config

[flat dagger]

alr got it

with the stats i had before would it be normal for a thumper to spawn pretty much every time

like every day

like the spawn chance

[fast gull]

pretty much

weights are kinda werid to understand

[flat dagger]

ya lol

[fast gull]

think of them like, the higher is the difference between values, the greater you will notice the difference

[flat dagger]

i think its working tho because i havent seen another coilhead/braken

[fast gull]

if you just want to make sure they dont appear, set it to 0

or if you want to be sore that there aren't too many, use the spawn caps

[flat dagger]

another problem is enemy spawn is boosted like 3x with the settings i have when theres 4 people so it might make the enemies more common

like cuz theres more enemies in general

[fast gull]

then I can only suggest to change the probabilities until you find something you like

[flat dagger]

wait

[fast gull]

but keep in mind that is pure rng, you might have a good day or a bad day

[flat dagger]

im 99% i disabled mimics

and i just saw one

cuz i changed the settings a bit

maybe i didnt save that

ima check real quick

[fast gull]

did you leave it like this?

[flat dagger]

nvm i didnt save it

[fast gull]

lol, no worries

[flat dagger]

1st time ive seen that so they r as rare as they r supposted to be

[fast gull]

30 is still pretty high to be honest lol

[flat dagger]

i have the hording bug and the spore lizard at like 80

so i think that should balance it out a bit

[fast gull]

all your loot is gonna be stolen by hoarders lol

[flat dagger]

thats why i bring my stuff outside

also im 100% gonna change it cuz assurance is a rly good moon

im just testing it out

also max for them is like 15

😄

so theres a lot of em

• 3x enemy spawns almost

i feel bad for the randoms im playing with cuz i havent finished a single day

they all getting kicked out cuz im leaving to change smth

[fast gull]

poor guys lol

also I might end up forcing a tag in public lobbies for players that use LCV

because the idea of spawning 100 enemies might not be enjoyable by everybody

[flat dagger]

bet 90% of the people wouldnt even know what that is

[fast gull]

pretty sure

but the other 10%

they're gonna have a good time

[flat dagger]

lol

that would be understandable

[fast gull]

also I dont really want people to cheat

[flat dagger]

im supprised it isnt alr

[fast gull]

I was like "meeh, later"

and never did it lol

[flat dagger]

you should say meh, later forever

😄

[fast gull]

lmao

it might take a lot of time