Lethal Level Loader [Custom Content Loading API]

[unique geode]

Look not to be rude here, but Batby didn't do anything wrong they spent a lot of time helping and Lass kept not listening to answers and stuff that they didn't like while also not understanding what they were doing

I ask that you please not blame Batby when they spent a lot of dedicated trying to help

You're saying Batby is stirring the pot when in fact you're the one doing it by not having your facts straight 😦

[zenith flax]

I appreciate the defense on my behalf but I get the point

[unique geode]

Yeah

I just don't wanna see unnecessary blame forced on you is all

I can get how it looked though

[chrome notch]

i promise you i have seen what has gone on in this channel for the past few months, but it doesn't mean both sides can't be at fault. it's noble for batby to want to help someone despite their attitude but it's clear that it's only making tensions rise and is not actually accomplishing anything. not trying to blame anyone, only trying to give my two cents here

[unique geode]

Yeah I get it dw ^^

I think Batby would have been more inclined to ignore them had they not been bringing it all up within this thread tbh

Cus it is Batby's thread lol

[waxen fog]

to change topics

is this error like worrying?

also these two red lines

[empty trail]

A: outpost31 doesnt work iirc

B: idk if its an LLL issue, maybe loadstone

[zenith flax]

naurr its a outpost 31 issue

iirc matt's project for outpost 31 corrupted so he hasnt gotten round to fixing it

let him know during the experimental releases

[waxen fog]

ah i c

[empty trail]

Assumed that xd

[reef perch]

Sorry, I should have clarified: I'm making custom doors and mobs won't interact with them, and I don't know exactly why

Some people said it's because of the sync game object but it seem to work fine so idk

[idle ravine]

how are you making your doors? Enemies don't interact with doors in the normal way, there's a trigger that detects when an enemy is in it then opens the door (with some special conditions based on some enemy parameters)

[reef perch]

They are suppose to be set up like vanilla doors, is this the same trigger box that the player use to interact with it?>

[idle ravine]

no there's a seperate trigger for enemies

[reef perch]

Do you know where can I find it?

[idle ravine]

The doorlock script has the triggerstay code that checks for enemies

& in the door prefab the large other box collider is the trigger volume

[reef perch]

hmm, is there a way to have this script without having door that can be locked?

[idle ravine]

You could copy all the code that's in the door lock script related to enemies opening doors into your door

Would require some tinkering and netcode patching but shouldn't be too hard

[reef perch]

Will try, thanks!

[hazy salmon]

Does Vanilla and Custom tags work for interior generation now?

[crisp galleon]

Does anyone happen to know if it is possible to resize the fog weather volume (the random weather event one)? A moon I've been working on has one edge that isn't covered by the fog when it's foggy and I'd rather not move things inward unless I have to.

[slim wind]

it's possible, but (AFAIK) not in the editor

[crisp galleon]

Ok, I think I'll end up just resizing the map itself some. The more I think about it, it doesn't currently feel like it fits the vision I had for it anyway so might as well rework things.

[prisma mulch]

Hey everyone.
I recently get this error when i'm trying to land on my moon and i get stuck in the seed screen.
Does anyone have an idea what can cause it?
Can't identify the error...

[tired solar]

Mod list? It would be incredibly helpful to know how to replicate this issue

[prisma mulch]

This is the modlist: 018fad32-9ad1-d09f-2792-7eba9ee46d4e

But it won't help since the version of my moon that causes problems is not published in thunderstore yet.
The published version works just fine.
When i tested my mod which consists out of items, a moon and a interior everything except for the moon worked.

I recently ran nomnoms project patcher and maybe this did something but i can't find it.

[tired solar]

oh, so this just might be a misconfigured moon then?

[prisma mulch]

I think so but i couldn't find anything missing in the config and thought someone maybe had an similar error code.
I think i have to look throught it again tommorow.

[tired solar]

Install this mod: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DiFFoZ/BepInEx_MonoMod_Debug_Patcher/
And then run the game again and then post the stack trace, and with this mod, it should tell the IL offset where the error happened so I could take a look at what the exact point in the code is where it crashes, it could give a clue to what the issue is

[prisma mulch]

Got it working again.
The spawnable Map Object were blank.
Thanks anyways!

[tired solar]

okay, nice!

[empty trail]

Any clue what this is? It seems to only be happening on multiplayer runs? Ive gotten 2+ people report it so far and im not entirely sure why

This looks like a very similar error log from the scene selection stuff being broken in 1.2.0

Seems to be in LLL 1.2.4 which has this error

[empty trail]

Yeah, from what I can see @zenith flax , there might still be some stuff broken with the scene selection stuff, not sure how to troubleshoot further unfortunately

[crisp galleon]

would anyone know if there's documentation on what the different weather variables do? Each weather type seems to have 2 numbers associated with them and I'm curious as to their purpose and how to use them.

[slim wind]

• dustclouds: nothing
• rainy: nothing
• foggy: fog density is rolled between var1 and var2
• stormy: var1 is the time between strikes (sort of), var2 is unused
• flooded: #1203871322841808906 message
• eclipsed: var1 changes how many enemies spawn at the round start (inside and outside), var2 is unused

[crisp galleon]

Awesome! Thank you!

[waxen fog]

does the term “all” work for LLL interior spawning?

[young acorn]

very helpful

[oak maple]

Does setting all interiors dynamic tags list to Vanilla:300 make it pick a random interior at equal chance for all moons? Otherwise is there a way to do that?

[idle ravine]

Unless some other tag or rule overrides it with a higher value that should work

you can verify with the simulate command

[pine olive]

question, @zenith flax . sorry for the ping, but is messing with day length in lll supposed to eat up an extra day after a landing on the moon it was tinkered on?

[idle ravine]

yeah iirc day length option is in vanilla and itself has a bug where any change to it causes it to take an extra day

[brisk schooner]

Hrm, that's weird. I have a day length option in Enhancer and I never got any reports of skipping days in the quota

[fierce axle]

lll provides day length config for each moon exclusiviely

thats why it bugs

[jolly cargo]

yeah, the method is kinda silly here

They are indirectly and inversely affected, faster time speed should technically make the time until deadline decrease slower but if you have slower time then yeah it will skip at least a day

[rough escarp]

my LLL config for LCoffice is not working, but it works just fine with wesley's interiors

[jolly cargo]

uhh, what in specific in the config, I know some may be unused @rough escarp

Based on the sound of it, I'm guessing this is for the selection pool, may need to set it to All moons in the LCOffice config first

[rough escarp]

manual moon levels

[rough escarp]

yup, its set to all

do i have to put the office rarity to -1 so it uses LLL's configs?

nvm im a dumbass LMAO

I WAS PUTTING IT IN THE WRONG SECTION

[mellow flame]

Been gone, did LLL company building issue fix, saw that it was updated to 1.2.4

[acoustic sonnet]

1.2.4 is stable

[mellow flame]

th

thxz

thx'

thx

had a stroke

[azure ether]

So thankful he had a stroke

[vocal flame]

That method is indeed kinda silly

[dim pelican]

I just got a bug report on my moons, where everyday pass as 2 days on quota, I feel like its due to my day speed multiplier being 0.8 instead of 1. is this intended?

[merry marsh]

Changing the day speed has issues, it's definitely the cause

[dim pelican]

I see, changing it back now

[pine olive]

you make moons? .3.

oh yea, the ff14 stuff

but yea, vanilla bug.

[waxen fog]

The simulate command hasn’t worked for me for a couple updates now

[kindred bramble]

@fading wyvern
Hey bud hope all is well.
Just giving a wellness check.

[young acorn]

for some reason, the game completely crashes (unity crash logger appears then game closes) whenever i try to land on my moon. it managed to load once but i can't tell what i did differently that caused it to load that one time.

[main tulip]

Is SmartItemSaving still needed with v1.2.4?

[bitter pond]

No, the item changing glitch got patched

You can still use it for its other features, but it isnt necessary anymore

[main tulip]

oh gotcha

[steady trellis]

Does anyone have information on what would cause desync issues between host / clients as it pertains to interiors? When playing multiplayer with some of my friends I am occasionally running into issues with some modded moons having different interior types / generated interiors, while other moons will work fine. Same profile code, and I had everyone clear cache/configs before starting.

[crisp galleon]

My group just started using modded interiors and I was (likely) desynced because I had my moon pack installed and they didn’t lol, but if you’re sure you’ve got the exact same mods/configs it might be outdated interiors maybe? I think the update to V50 and this mod having to update might have broken some interiors, but not certain. I just think I’ve seen that discussed before.

(Unless you’re saying certain moons always work and certain ones don’t, regardless of the interior (like interior X works on certain moons but doesn’t on others), then I have no idea)

[steady trellis]

I'll see if I can compile a list of moon-interior combos that have this issue to see if it helps to pin the source.

[rough escarp]

yo quick question, are the configs synced to everyone or only the host's configs are used?

[brisk schooner]

By default? No. Some mods sync their own configs or rely on csync or something else to do it for them. My dumb mod, enhancer doesn't do any of the above and just hopes all of you are using the same config. Profile codes share your configs, tho, so that's another way to sync configs

[haughty moss]

yea I havent ran into desyncs for awhile but just today ive been getting tons of desyncs

people getting the wrong interior, or someone seeing the wrong planet on the screen when choosing a planet (and that person seeing said planet's interior instead of the one that should have a 100% spawn chance)

same modpack code shared to everyone

[reef perch]

Did anyone made a video on how to create your own plugin? I'm following the wiki but I think I'm missing some part 🥹

[rough escarp]

thats good to know :]

[young acorn]

for some reason, my moon crashes the game when visited on the first day, unity crash logger appears and the game closes. nothing in the bepinex log, anyone willing to help?

[zenith flax]

Is ur terrain set to instanced

[young acorn]

not sure

ah i see

yes this fixed it thank you batby

[frozen spear]

Anyone got a fix for the Outpost-31 Map in homage to The Thing? Outpost 31 - Something happened here...

[steady trellis]

Following up on the desync issue I have had. Played a number of moons/interiors tonight to try to pin it on specific moons/interiors but we ran into an odd occurrance where it was impacting different modded moons compared to last time. I recorded a list of moons / interiors that were bugging out but could not identify an exact interior that seemed to be responsible, and then we also started to have an issue where the interior would match between all clients, but the actual inside would be different for two of the players, while only one other player matched the host (me).

What finally gave me a bit of an insight into an issue was after a game reset when one of the players tried routing to a moon, but a different moon popped on the screen, sure enough when I asked for a list of moons the order was different between host / client. Taking a peek at the log files, here is an example of the ordering of the moons internally. The first two are two of my friends and the one on the far right is my list.

Any idea why the ordering would be different here?

[tall kindle]

Mod list?

[steady trellis]

Here's the list, I usually just do it through Thunderstore profile codes to keep everyone on the same versions before we start.

[scenic canopy]

Hey I have a question. I want to make the default price of all moons 0, I want all moons to appear in terminal, but I also want custom enemies to naturally to spawn on moons. Is there a way to do this without massively having to edit the LLL config.

from my understanding if I turn on content configuration I can do the first half easily, but I will then have to edit the values of each moon to include all custom enemies right?

[steady trellis]

The first can be easily accomplished by editing the LLL config file. As for turning them all on in the terminal, I'm not completely sure if that can be done with LLL. As for the last one, modded enemies/scraps seem to ignore the configuration settings in LLL in favor of the configurations from their own mods, so that would have to be done in that configuration file.

[scenic canopy]

@steady trellis There is a setting in LLL for turning on visibility of planets. That's good to know about custom enemies. What if the custom enemy doesn't have a configuration or a moon doesn't have one? Like for example all of Rosie's moons don't use a config file.

[steady trellis]

I'm aware of that option, however it is set to 'true' for the vanilla hidden moons and those don't show in the terminal.

Unfortunately if the custom enemy does not have a configuration file, you probably will not be able to do anything about it.

[scenic canopy]

Okay, well, I will test and come back and let you know

But basically it seems like changing the config of LLL may not even matter in terms of making moons visible/changing the price so it may not matter anyway haha

[steady trellis]

Oh you can change the price fine, that works.

e.g., I have 85 Rend at a reduced price for my friends, and this is how I do it:

[​​​​​​Vanilla Level:  85 Rend]

## Enable This To Utilise Any Of The Configuration Options Below.
# Setting type: Boolean
# Default value: false
Enable Content Configuration = true

## Override The Route Price For This Level.
# Setting type: Int32
# Default value: 550
General Settings - Planet Route Price = 150

As far as I'm aware the only things that don't work are the scrap value settings and having custom content in the spawn lists

@zenith flax Any reason why this sort statement would be commented out? (https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/51f9af254c38f926f808f1714bb6dc52bb5f66dc/LethalLevelLoader/Components/ExtendedContent/ExtendedMod.cs#L228)

I would imagine adding a generalized sort for all of the extended content addons once loaded would address the desync problems I am encountering with friends, so it seems odd that ExtendedLevel is not being sorted here.

[scenic canopy]

@steady trellis So just to let you know (can't comment on the vanilla hidden moons, didn't look yet) but all of the custom moons as far as I could tell now do appear after changing the setting in LLL. I'll let you know soon about the vanilla and monster spawns.

[zenith flax]

thats a great question and i wish i knew the answer, ill have to look into this

i remember doing it for a reason because the whole sorting function was made for that intent

hm

[scenic canopy]

@steady trellis just letting you know that I can confirm that some custom mobs do spawn ignoring LLL values set, however, not all of them (most do not) do. So if I were to turn on the config option I would have to manually edit each and every moon for every custom mob.

@zenith flax can you add/edit the feature of LLL to make it so as opposed to turning on every config option or none that you can pick and choose? Like as an example I would like to be able to edit the cost of each moon and whether or not it shows up in terminal or not, but I don't want to use custom spawn rates set by LLL.

[zenith flax]

probably not no

[steady trellis]

I think he had a discussion on the git page regarding that not being something that LLL was intended for.

[zenith flax]

thats unrelated

per config option would double the config file lines and currently not interested in working on config stuff

something that other mods will probably do better

[scenic canopy]

what about just making a true or false specifically for the mob spawning component? there are so many potential useful options in LLL but linking many of the major ones together just makes it obsolete for a lot of people

[tall kindle]

I'm confused, just get rid of the enemy I'd u donr want them

Dont*

[scenic canopy]

@tall kindle The problem is that if you want to use any settings from LLL you also have to then manually add every single mob and the spawn weight to every single moon

LLL limits monsters based off of vanila, which is fine, but most people play with custom monsters, thus meaning any custom monster is not included in the limiting component and therefore don't spawn

[tall kindle]

Ic

[scenic canopy]

So as an example for PsychSanctum these are the default mobs that spawn. Anything not in this list will not spawn (except for a select few that override LLL). So I would have to add something like 10-20 monster values in manually just for this 1 moon.

@tall kindle

[tall kindle]

But aren't the defaults already there for ya?

[scenic canopy]

Yes but only vanilla mobs.

If you want to use any non vanilla monsters they will never spawn unless they override LLL

and most don't

which means you have to enter in every single monster manually into each and every moon and change the values you want to specifically use for that moon

does that make sense or not really? I can try explaining over voice if you want

[tall kindle]

Ah gotcha

[strange trail]

they do tho
but those custom monsters are not added to the default preset

[scenic canopy]

They don't. Except for certain monsters that have their own config file (not all do) most of the monsters I had played with were not spawning after turning on LLL config content.

[scenic canopy]

See Phantoms reply

[zenith flax]

@slim wind you see talos 2 dlc coming

[slim wind]

the WHAT? 👀

oh my

i still haven't started playing 2 😭

[rich aurora]

I forgot there's even a Talos 2, I still need to get around playing Talos 1

[young acorn]

does extendedtrap exist?

[zenith flax]

no

[young acorn]

dang

[oak maple]

For some reason mental hospital weights arent working

its just defaulting to 300 for every moon

ive tried changing it in LLL config and mental hospital config

All the other interior weights work fine

[regal rune]

For some things like that, I personally had to set them to 0's in their own config, then use the LLL override if I wanted to change it there, or the default would either take priority or higher value, not sure which. This may not be helpful.

[steady trellis]

@zenith flax Apology for the "noob" question here if it is. Trying to manually build the mod (So I can patch the desync list thing) and I keep running into errors with the source code regarding duplicate property names (IE: The ExtendedLevel class being duplicated), Are there any additional properties/settings needed on VS22 to build here?

[oak maple]

That worked thanks

[vagrant sundial]

@zenith flax I think there is a problem with the Company tag. Its not applied to the company building. If I force apply the tag to the planet Gordion it works, but if i dont, it cant find the tag

[prisma mulch]

Everytime i make a new save and fly to my moon it is always eclipsed. Is there a way to make the weather more random?

[tall kindle]

First day weather is ALWAYS the same

it changes depending on the number of moons you have registered

[prisma mulch]

So if i load more moons in my testing profile in Thunderstore it should (or can) change?

[merry marsh]

You can also use weather tweaks to make all weather clear

[crisp galleon]

I was introduced to the Imperium mod. It's got a lot of testing/debugging tools including the ability to set a moon's weather. https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/giosuel/Imperium/

[prisma mulch]

Tested it out just now with different amount of moons and the weather changed. So the problem was simply that i only had my own moon in the profil for testing.
For my testing the eclipsed weather is not the problem bu i appreciate the tool, might still be useful in the future. Most of the time i'm, using UnityExplorer.
Thank you 🙂

[fair dome]

just tried it today. it was able to spawn the unspawnable (football). 🙏

[fair dome]

what are all the commands related to LLL? "simulate" is one of them right?

[rich aurora]

Yeah "simulate" is one of them
Looks like you can also use "preview", "sort", and "filter"
iirc syntax is smth like "sort <keyword" so smth like "sort price" will sort the moon catalog based on price, I believe all the valid keywords can be found via the LLL config

You can also put one of these keywords in place of it by default in the config, so for example you can put "Price" to show you the price to route to a moon over the weather instead

[fair dome]

thanks

[rich aurora]

LLL's terminal command stuff comes in handy if you start to have a huge load of moons in your catalogue

[spice ingot]

hi hello hi ive been meaning to come back to lethal company lately and like just wanted to ask

any like. issues with LLL currently

so ik in advance

like can i update it to the latest version now

[crisp galleon]

I don’t know of any major ones. I think it’s fairly stable.

[spice ingot]

finally /lh

absolutely no offense to batsy, regardless of anything i admire the effort they put into all of this but it really bugged me when that leaving from company glitch was there for like a week or two before i dipped from playing

so good to hear its stable now

[spice ingot]

yeah it feels good to be able to do that now from the company

[final hedge]

This might be an odd question, but does the order the custom levels and dungeons appear in LethalLevelLoader.cfg matter? As in, if the order was altered, would that mess with anything? For context, I'm experimenting with the idea of coding a spreadsheet to autogenerate a config to save me having to make manual changes to the file.

[zenith flax]

Changing the order will probably fuck things up yeah

[heavy island]

i want to put every of my interiors on every maps, should i just put "all@300" for example or is it "all:300" ?

[abstract bobcat]

have to use “Vanilla:” and “Custom:” together iirc

[heavy island]

so liek this ?

[merry marsh]

In the tag list not the level list

[heavy island]

ho the dynamic level tags ?

[abstract bobcat]

oop mb

[wind mulch]

ummm im having trouble joining other ppl lobby

does anyone know why

[jade sandal]

Does anyone know why I got this error while trying to import the LethalLevelLoader.dll inside of Lethal Company? I have all the updated dependencies.

[waxen fog]

does all not work?

[abstract bobcat]

no

[prisma mulch]

Did you Import the dependencies for LLL and LethalLib?

[jade sandal]

Yeah

I think I figured it out

The MMHOOK only creates when the Lethal Company is hosted.

And its missing MMHOOK

[jagged arch]

Yeah you have to make it via the normal game then copy it over

[nova obsidian]

Does Level ID mean anything for custom moons? Should I set it to anything or keep it 0?

[jade sandal]

Keep it at 0 it does nothing for custom moons

[nova obsidian]

Alrighty

[crisp galleon]

Hey, out of curiosity, when it comes to keeping a backup of my project in case of emergency I've been keeping a zip file of just the mods folder that is generated after ripping the game into Unity and its contents instead of the whole thing since I figured I could always run the project patcher again for a new project and then extract the zipped files into the new mods folder if something breaks. Would this actually work or would references to materials/scripts/etc possibly break? I assumed it should be fine but I don't want to risk breaking everything trying to update to the next vanilla version since I'm realizing I don't actually know how Unity works in a case like this. I'm kind of nervous since I started working on custom moon stuff in V49 but when V50 came around and I tried to run the patcher again thinking that's how to update it, a lot broke (thankfully I just had a test moon, no real work yet).

[tall kindle]

should ask in #1199473521265475745 just incase because you'd likely get a better answer there

[crisp galleon]

Alright. Thanks!

[true void]

setting this to none should remove the preview i get for weather in the terminal right?- or am I not understanding the config properly. since its not working and continues to show me the weather for all the moons, and I've checked my other mods and none that i can see would affect the terminal's moon weather display

[true void]

found out that it is some conflicting mod. dk what but i'll figure it out im sure

[crisp galleon]

Just tested myself and my backup method DOES NOT WORK, so I’ve basically been working without a backup this whole time. Glad I tried it though instead of figuring it out the hard way. I’ll have to do a different backup method.

[crisp galleon]

Alright, I think I've made a private github repo that thanks to a .gitignore file doesn't track too many nonessential files/directories. So far I think everything works.

[fading wyvern]

sent off egypt to tolian today

o7

[slim wind]

🫡 take care of yourself

[lament nebula]

o7

[steady ingot]

Batby could custom truck be a possibility?🙏

[lament nebula]

Oh god the things people would make

[idle ravine]

I dunno if custom trucks would really be within the scope of LLL, guess it would depend on implementation

[steady ingot]

Yeah maybe it wont

Tho whats not in the scope of LLL at this point lmao

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-shrug-jamaica-work-gif-11665225

[fair dome]

an atv in lethal would be cool

[empty trail]

Airships would also be pretty neat xD

[empty trail]

Any clue why spawned enemies in my interior would pathfind towards somewhere and then after targeting a player would fix itself?

Actually, I think it might be starlancer ai fix doing something

[crisp galleon]

You know, I feel like I’ve seen masked enemies leave the facility and go to a seemingly arbitrary location outside on some of my moons, but I’m not sure about interior stuff.

[empty trail]

Yeah, I figured it out

It was a really dumb reason

[crisp galleon]

Now I’m curious. Mind sharing?

[empty trail]

Forgot AI Nodes

T-T

[crisp galleon]

Oh node!

[empty trail]

This is so strange, my interior mod is making the ship echoey when in orbit

I have no scripts or anything in it, just extended LLL stuff

No errors either

egh, I suppose ill fix it tomorrow

[zenith flax]

On standby 🙂

[unique geode]

Here's hoping LLL doesn't break at all and if it does it's a pretty easy fix compared to the V50 chaos ^^

[zenith flax]

V50 took like 2 hours

[unique geode]

True lol and a lot of testing to get it stable

V55's changes should be much smaller and less drastic from what I'm understanding though so I'm glad for that

[nova obsidian]

I think the company cruiser might introduce some issues

I think the cruiser is gonna have a spot for where it spawns added to the vanilla game's scenes.

[unique geode]

Possible but that will probably be easy for Batby to add support for if that's the only change needed

[empty trail]

It was less v50 and moreso the new things which that version added

[unique geode]

Yeah

I enjoyed helping test it though

[empty trail]

If this is true, then itd be more up to moon creators to fix that. Possibly would batby be involved just to make things not go super wrong/crashy when it isnt on a modded moon.

[nova obsidian]

ofc, worst case scenario is probably that trying to "summon" the cruiser on a moon that doesn't have a spawn for it will just crash the game

I imagine it'd be handled via summon system similar to the drop ship

[unique geode]

I mean I also think the Cruiser might be a store item

But we'll see

Cus I could see it being something you have to buy

[empty trail]

Hard to see how thatd work tbh

[empty trail]

But this is probably true

You probably buy it and it unlocks a garage area in each moon or something similar

[nova obsidian]

Probably

I did hear that the cruiser is supposed to be something that you can take between moons

[empty trail]

Hmm

[nova obsidian]

According on Zeekerss, it's supposed to be transferrable

the only way I can think of being as such is if there's a drop service for it you can call if you have it bought

[empty trail]

ah possibly

I was thinking of something else which is a bit funnier but less realistic xD

[unique geode]

I guess we'll see

I love the thought of that giant ass thing plopping out of the Item Dropship though XD

[empty trail]

let me try and find what i was thinking of xD

[nova obsidian]

It could possibly come out of the dropship if say it was sort of like a compact item that transforms into the cruiser and back into it's compact form.

[empty trail]

yeah that was my idea

If youve ever seen MrCrayfish's Vehicle mod for Minecraft, I was thinking of those vehicle crates which pop open into a car xD

[young acorn]

by god, lethal level loader actually just works with v55

[unique geode]

Only a few things broke

[young acorn]

can't order the cruiser on custom moons unfortunately

[unique geode]

I know GeneralImprovements and BetterSprayPaint don't work

and yeah that's to be expected til Custom Moons update to support the new V55 stuff

[young acorn]

the cruiser also seems to disappear when forced to spawn via devmode, no cruiser on custom moons yet

[unique geode]

Yeah because the moons need to support it

lol

[young acorn]

i don't know if it's a thing for the moons to fix or LLL to fix

[unique geode]

Might be both

[unique geode]

@young acorn the update that LLL moons need is support for the dropship changes

Because the dropship ||now drops off the car||

[young acorn]

alrighty

AUGH WAIT I'M GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF RE-PROJECT PATCHING AUGH

[empty trail]

yeahhhhh

T-T

[gaunt hinge]

My worst fear rn

[crisp galleon]

I haven’t really been able to look at it yet, but are you supposed to be able to just run the patcher again to update or is there another step? In my head you’d just need to run it again but I feel like references could break.

My memory isn’t great but I kind of feel like when I first attempted just a testing moon at the end of V49 when I tried to run the patcher again for V50 every (or maybe just a lot) vanilla thing was deleted or something.

[fierce axle]

in what way does gi break?

[errant lotus]

at least on my way, the extra screens doesn't work

I don't know the flashlight and the other settings

[fierce axle]

oh, i dont use those anyway

i put things on the vanilla screens tho, like time and quota number

[unique geode]

I was told it was throwing a bunch of errors from Endoxicom

So idk what all broke

[abstract bobcat]

idk i just saw a buncha errors and saw the monitors broke I didnt really do anything thorough

[fierce axle]

maybe its just the better monitors

[abstract bobcat]

It’ll be the normal monitors too

[fierce axle]

oh dang

does pathfinding lag fix still work

oh i also wonder if faster dropship still works, since theres a new dropship for the car

[unique geode]

Dropship mods work

[leaden citrus]

Same

[ember shore]

||Wait so does the car just have a set spawn location per moon and not a single position relative to the ship?||

[abstract bobcat]

faster drop ships work just not if you purchase a car

unless I can't count

[unique geode]

||No the dropship delivers it but it's attached to the dropship underneath and gets dropped off by it||

[unique geode]

I mean I know LGU's upgrade for the dropship works

[ember shore]

||Ohhh you mean the dropship. I though the ship itself was borked. So I am guessing the car dropship goes to the same place as a normal dropship and because of that it drops the car under the map?||

||Or does it not come down at all?||

[unique geode]

No, it just doesn't deliver it at all on Custom Moons

Because it uses a custom version of the Dropship Zeekerss added for it

[ember shore]

so it's a ||seperate dropship entity and because the moons weren't updated yet it doesn't have a delivery point?||

[abstract bobcat]

when I say I was not thorough I meant not thorough because BetterSprayPaint seems fine just fyi for earlier

I see error about spray paint in log -> spray paint changes in update -> assume anything to do with spray paint die

[unique geode]

Probably sume functions of BetterSprayPaint are broken

[abstract bobcat]

no

I think the changes to spraypaint are to do with a new item

lol

[unique geode]

Oh probably

[unique geode]

Actually yes

The ||Weed killer||

Meaning if you use BetterSprayPaint the new item will not work

[abstract bobcat]

naur it works ok

just quiet mostly, since BetterSprayPaint makes the normal spraycan quieter

[zenith flax]

Just woke up

[ember shore]

You probably regret that now huh?

[tall kindle]

good morning

LLL is mostly fine

i just saw like, one error with content tool on scene load or smthn

i didnt take ss so idk what it was lol

[young acorn]

the only bug i've noticed is the company cruiser not spawning, but that might be a moon thing with the dropship?

[steady ingot]

I had one issue with LLL where the main monitor was just showing the outside of the ship 👀

[zenith flax]

Moons might have to add something to their scenes but I haven’t seen yet

[steady ingot]

I didnt test it too much, just checked one thing and saw that issue, but my moon also has a clip for the monitor so maybe that could be the issue? works fine in v50

[rapid nymph]

Just wanted to jump in here to mention, some of the mechanics in the new beta are hard-coded by LevelID, so you're gonna need to modify them to be customizable (@zenith flax)

Spoilers if people don't wanna know the new mechanic that's affected: ||Shroud Vains AKA Spore Mold generate on all planets whenever you take off from a planet. The planet you take off from is guaranteed to generate some, while other planets have a reduced change. The exact chance is hard-coded in an if statement based on the level ID, and is also dependent on how many credits you have. Specifically, look at StartOfRound::SetPlanetsMold()||

[zenith flax]

thank you

[steady ingot]

|| Can you check why do the plants stay on the moon after going to orbit? When you return they are still there - is it a bug or is it a feature? Or was it just a coincidence everytime? ||

[rapid nymph]

||It's a feature. It even saves to the save file||

||The position will only re-randomize if you fully eradicate the mold||

[steady ingot]

|| that is such a unique thing, thanks for the info!||

[rapid nymph]

||np. It's a super interesting system. I think it's meant to encourage players to vary their planets so they don't build up tons of mold debt xD||

[zenith flax]

i was thinking about something like this yesterday 😭

something like minecraft's regional difficulty

[rapid nymph]

lol
super interesting mechanic yeah
also gonna need a partial rework for LLL moons sadly

[zenith flax]

just the levelid thing or do you mean custom moons having to add new stuff

i alr have to change the savefile to save level names rather than ID so it's not too crazy to do

[rapid nymph]

the LevelID thing
also, ||moons seem to have 60 pre-defined locations where the mold spawns, and the game just picks a random number 0-59 for the location||

[zenith flax]

yeee that's a problem im hands off on

probably

[rapid nymph]

ight

[zenith flax]

maybe drop a warning in the log incase i see a moon doesnt have the v55 related spawns

dont wanna mess with peoples content on behalf of them yknow

[rapid nymph]

yeye

[zenith flax]

also ty everyone

we here

[rapid nymph]

nice!

[zenith flax]

@gaunt hinge @weary apex @calm eagle moons probably need new stuff

don't think it will break your stuff but like you won't have the new features

[calm eagle]

heard chef

[gaunt hinge]

Yeah I saw

[elder ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-sad-cat-snaugz-gif-25724376

[gaunt hinge]

Gotta update the dropships

[zenith flax]

@brisk schooner is it worth an announcement to remind authors and players that custom moons and stuff will need to update for them to spawn new content correctly?

[zenith flax]

other stuffs too

[brisk schooner]

I thought I already pinged modders about the beta

Oh wait, that was Server Updates

[zenith flax]

||Stuff to make company cruiser spawn||
||Adding new enemies to your spawn pools (if wanted)||
||Adding random mold spawn positions ||

are the 3 things i think moon devs gotta do

[brisk schooner]

If I'm going to ping modders to update it'll be when 55 hits main, I guess?

[zenith flax]

fair

[brisk schooner]

oki doke

[elder ether]

also gotta reextract the game or whatever lol

nikki didnt do that yet shes still on v49

[zenith flax]

im busy half of today so might not be able to give you guys a rundown on the specifics you guys need to do asap but atp you guys can probably re-extract and just see whats different lowkey

[unique geode]

Yeah they just spam errors on Custom Moons currently unfortunately, I'd love if there's a way they can be updated with backwards compat with V50 since I plan to stay on the Beta for the new content atm lol

But I can live without custom moons for a bit if need be, especially since it feels like the Beta is right there at the final stretch to tide us over while Zeekerss takes an extra week or so to do some polishing up and do some finishing changes for the full release, cus there's definitely aspects that you can tell why he decided to do a Public Beta after the extensive testing he said he did and why he said he still needs to do many changes lol

[tall kindle]

[08:09:57.5634448] [Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException
Stack trace:
UnityEngine.Object.get_name () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_00001)
LethalLevelLoader.Tools.ContentRestorer.RestoreAudioAssetReferencesInParent (UnityEngine.GameObject parent) (at <46913d4069ce4c8bb856df58fbf607a9>:IL_000db)
LethalLevelLoader.Patches.OnSceneLoaded (UnityEngine.SceneManagement.Scene scene, UnityEngine.SceneManagement.LoadSceneMode loadSceneMode) (at <46913d4069ce4c8bb856df58fbf607a9>:IL_00054)
UnityEngine.SceneManagement.SceneManager.Internal_SceneLoaded (UnityEngine.SceneManagement.Scene scene, UnityEngine.SceneManagement.LoadSceneMode mode) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0000e)
``` dunno if anyone mentioned it but this was the NRE i was talking about before @zenith flax

[zenith flax]

hotfixed on my unreleased build but i really should look into it more

Nothing im iterating on should be null

[tall kindle]

noice

[slim wind]

i don't remember if i mentioned it here, but i figured out an easy way to have one automated pipeline to release on Thunderstore, Curseforge and Nuget using Github Releases + Actions

the caveat is that you cannot use any local dependencies (because the actual build runs in the cloud)

[tall kindle]

wdym by local dependencies? like ones not currently on thunderstore etc?

[slim wind]

the ones that you don't import from nuget

any locally referenced dlls

for example if i try to reference LLL that is installed in my LC directory on my PC

[tall kindle]

ohhhhh

i see what you mean

[slim wind]

build fails in the cloud because dll ain't there

[tall kindle]

atleast LLL will be on nuget soon/is on nuget i cant remember

[slim wind]

that's the thing i want to help happen 😇

i've seen the PR to use the lordfirespeed's gameLibs package on nuget instead of any local references:
https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/pull/106

which - theoretically - would require adding stuff related to building the 3 needed packages (TS, nuget, CF) and actions

and you could have fully automated solution 😅

[tall kindle]

do it for coderebirth wen

[slim wind]

👀

soonish 😇

[tall kindle]

noice

[steady ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/intensifies-sooning-soontm-midsizedonkey7-nowhere-gif-12050318

[zenith flax]

@slim wind i was gonna dm you about this lmao

on unreleased im already nuget pilled

i just need a rundown on how to get into actions

[slim wind]

i can send you everything you need

[zenith flax]

Can’t use anything till tomorrow but would very much appreciate that

[slim wind]

i've sent you everything (i think) in dms, if you have any questions - hit me up 😇

[azure ether]

Can't wait to drive around the moons in genericmoons mod

[elder ether]

I have bad news

[unique geode]

Does Generic even have a moon that the CC would work on?

[elder ether]

Hydro would work

[unique geode]

Eh I guess

[elder ether]

Corrosion would work around the far side but I’m pretty sure the car would be inside a wall when you land

[unique geode]

The CC feels so designed for large moons lol

[elder ether]

Collateral is a no because the ship lands on the roof of a building

Vertigo I don’t even have to explain

Same with submersion

[unique geode]

Vertigo would need the cactuses able to be destroyed by it

XD

[elder ether]

Not that bad of an idea actually

If I make another desert moon which it is likely that I will

I’ll see if it’s possible

[unique geode]

Yeah the stuff for destroying trees could likely be implemented to them

[elder ether]

Also gonna ping Batby for this lol @zenith flax

[zenith flax]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/974425485222236180/1229186779412959252/shake.gif

[elder ether]

Hi Batby

Car destruction would be pretty swag for lethal toolbox or something

I’d love to be able to ram through fences and cacti

[zenith flax]

heard

[elder ether]

Also regarding one of the new creatures

[zenith flax]

Ye u gotta place that shit

[elder ether]

It looks like the ||kidnapper fox spawns aren’t based off of any moon values or anything. Is it possible to have a moon that can’t have the plants?||

[tall kindle]

just for future reference, since i couldnt find it, how does the game tag something as either destructible, or how does it find trees?

[tall kindle]

yeah pretty sure its a toggle to turn off molds in moons (what i heard)

[zenith flax]

I’ll have to get back to you

[tall kindle]

alrightie

[elder ether]

Alright that makes my life so much easier

Submersion was gonna get awkward

[zenith flax]

I’ll have to get back to you but i believe their collected at runtime like ainodes

[elder ether]

Alright

[unique geode]

Wait so the ||Kidnapper fox can currently spawn on all moons since they're tied to the plants?||

[tall kindle]

yeah i believe its 60 random positions, but i saw some custom moons get really weird with it

[elder ether]

Yeah

I think so

[steady ingot]

Yup

[unique geode]

Lol fun

[elder ether]

Although I hope it would be possible to toggle it for custom moons because like I said

Submersion would get

Really fucked

[tall kindle]

enemies can be tied to plants from now on yeah

[unique geode]

Yeah

Also idk how I feel about the new interior enemy

[elder ether]

I know how I feel

Deep hatred

[tall kindle]

apparently im hated for liking it 😔

[elder ether]

I will never go to dine again

[tall kindle]

its a cool enemy concept, the fade effect is also really cool

and it's fairly easily dodgeable

[unique geode]

Inb4 Zeekerss sets it to have a high chance on Artifice

[elder ether]

But yeah as much as I like the plants and the spreading mechanic it would be really nice to be able to toggle it off @zenith flax

[unique geode]

And Titan

[elder ether]

Sorry for pinging you again but like

[tall kindle]

dine is a weird one, bunch of butlers, bunch of surgeons

[elder ether]

I feel like it’s kinda something I really need

[unique geode]

Dine feels like it's become the testing moon, it makes me miss old Dine tbh

[elder ether]

(Turning off the plants from showing up in the first place)

[tall kindle]

its a toggle generic

[elder ether]

Blehg

[tall kindle]

like we all said

[unique geode]

I like the new layout, not a fan of the enemy spawn rates

[elder ether]

So you can just check a box and the plants won’t ever spawn on your moon?

[tall kindle]

yes

[elder ether]

Thank fuck

[tall kindle]

super cool mechanic though, with the saving across rounds

[elder ether]

Yeah

Def wanna keep it on a few moons

But I don’t want it on corrosion, devastation, or obviously submersion

[unique geode]

Wesley is gonna have some moons to exclude too

I know @empty trail will prob want it excluded from Sector

[zenith flax]

Basegame option I think

[unique geode]

Starlancer I can see excluding it onn

[elder ether]

Oh yeah him and I are talking about it now

[unique geode]

Triskelion

[elder ether]

Aight

Ty

[gaunt hinge]

Asteroid-13
Perfect moon for the vain shroud plants

[unique geode]

Lmao oh dear god

I personally will probably disable the plants and the spreading mechanic

[steady ingot]

If its possible I want to add my own plant variant and foxy

[unique geode]

It's cool but I'm not a huge fan of it tbh

[tall kindle]

i've already asked, could be possible, might not be, we'll see

[gaunt hinge]

Time to enable it everywhere

[zenith flax]

It’s been out a day

[steady ingot]

Yeah theres no rush, just brainfarting here

[elder ether]

I’ve been out for nearly 18 years

https://tenor.com/view/streetcatwow-cat-look-the-feeder-jule-smp-gif-16547114832070305679

[tall kindle]

another year and i reckon you'll be enabled again

[zenith flax]

Oh sorry I meant in response to @unique geode

[elder ether]

The world is not ready

[tall kindle]

also this is a replica of the conversation with the spike trap when it first came out

[elder ether]

I love spike trap….

[unique geode]

Lol I mean if it's a toggle in settings then it's good it can be toggled off

[tall kindle]

toggle in wesley's moons settings* not yours

[elder ether]

Spike trap go squishhhhh

[tall kindle]

its a cool trap

[abstract bobcat]

Time to play not Lethal Company

[unique geode]

Oh I like the mechanic don't get me wrong lol

[elder ether]

Idk why people don’t like it

The only issue it had was when there was like 20 on the same moon

But now that they’re reasonable I like

[unique geode]

I just don't like how it forces you to need weed killer tbf

[tall kindle]

blame the moon not hte poor trap

[elder ether]

True

Also back when they could spawn in stairs

[tall kindle]

i was also a bit surprised when they added pissing to the game (weed killer)

[elder ether]

Yellow spray paint:

[unique geode]

Lmao there's so many moons you have that they won't fit on tbh

Like Atlantica and Infernis

[tall kindle]

i feel like atlantica would do well with it

[unique geode]

Nah

[elder ether]

Actually infernis works

Literally has red ferns already

[unique geode]

I like Atlantica being the desolate land for Shy Guy

XD

[gaunt hinge]

I might leave them enabled on Atlantica

The visual idea is interesting

[tall kindle]

can you leave them enabled in oldred? i like bridge weed

also, just dont add the enemy in your enemy list if u dont want them to spawn

[unique geode]

Oldred makes 0 sense for them XD

[gaunt hinge]

uh
imma just
disable them there

[tall kindle]

because i asked, how rude

[unique geode]

Yeah tbh I like the plants

It's the buggy enemy I don't like that much

I know it will probably get fixed though

[gaunt hinge]

no
they just don't fit at all there lmao

[unique geode]

The whole tongue thing especially I just dislike

[tall kindle]

but bridge weed, how is the homeless man gonna live without em

[abstract bobcat]

You can just say you don't like the enemy at all

[gaunt hinge]

They won't

[tall kindle]

the tongue is a super cool pulling mechanic lol

[tall kindle]

wesley against homeless people, got it

[abstract bobcat]

Their tongues are like, half the gimmick

probably more

[unique geode]

I like how derpy it is and how it looks like Zeekerss pfp lol

The tongue stuff is just odd to me though, idk maybe it's my Autism but it doesn't vibe with me XD

[elder ether]

I love them but they do be buggy sometimes

https://medal.tv/games/lethal-company/clips/ia5WD0P5nsSCiYamD/d133766Zmtz1?invite=cr-MSw1VlUsMjI5ODA1OTQwLA

[tall kindle]

this is probably a super simple fix, it just has to ignore the player thats not the target player

[unique geode]

Lmao the super long tongue is so weird but they are derpy and cute

[unique geode]

Likely one of the things Zeekerss is fixing probably

[elder ether]

Hopefully

[unique geode]

I believe he chose to make it a Public Beta after extensive testing because I believe he realized it needs more changes before it hits the main branch but he wanted to also stick to the deadline of releasing it, I'm not certain on that though

[tall kindle]

i wouldnt just randomly assume his intentions

afaik he hasnt said anything

[unique geode]

Well

It feels like that's the case

But I'm not certain

He said he did extensive testing and is doing many changes and released it to public beta

[tall kindle]

just keep in mind, your wording is saying this is what hes doing, you dont sound like your guessing at all, nor do i really personally agree with that line of thought

[unique geode]

My bad

I word stuff poorly a lot and I'm more than used to it at this point 😦

[zenith flax]

Can confirm that’s true

[empty trail]

Uh idk, i barely know anything about the update xD
If its that plant shrub thing yeah probably

[unique geode]

Improved my wording a bit

[elder ether]

It is the plant

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-the-plant-vegans-gif-23768796

[gaunt hinge]

Lmao

[slim wind]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/807809192537882647/1037946021533204550/1CFC6F34-BB31-40F6-AA72-DE250F097A90.gif

[elder ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-head-nodding-meme-headbutt-hit-funny-cat-silly-car-gif-4307198055042192017

[rapid nymph]

Ye, the game only uses it for the company building atm

[rapid nymph]

It's not in any moon's spawn list afaik
The game spawns it in anywhere that there's enough mold
It has a dedicated spawn pass for it just like daytime, outside, or inside enemies

[tall kindle]

really? thats super weird...

[rapid nymph]

Yeah

[tall kindle]

how does it juggle the weight?

for like spawning

or is it just a condition based on how much weed there is

[rapid nymph]

Hard-coded weights for how likely mold is to spawn on different planets

[rapid nymph]

I dunno the exact spawn chance math, but I'd assume so?

I haven't looked at its spawn pass yet, just the mold mechanics

[tall kindle]

icic, i guess that means there's gonna be more chances for enemies spawning

im assuming the rates for daytime outside and inside are still the same

[rapid nymph]

I'd assume so yeah

[tall kindle]

its a bit unfortunate u cant keep the weed for aesthetics, you're forced to have the fox

[rapid nymph]

They do still effect power levels at least, so that hasn't changed

But yeah the fox can't be disabled in vanilla rn

[tall kindle]

very tempted to make a patch for this in someway, cuz i love the weed infestation but might not want the fox, ill wait for beta to end first though

[rapid nymph]

The dedicated mold enemy pass it uses kinda forces it

[rapid nymph]

Ye
I think there should be a separate spawn category that moons can opt into for the fox, and seeing as the name of the pass is specifically for mold enemies, perhaps other mods could add their own mold enemies that are based around the mechanics

[rapid nymph]

I think the idea is to discourage you from staying on a planet for too long? When you take off from a planet, it's guaranteed to spawn if there wasn't any before, so you can only stay for a few days before switching if you aren't using the weed killer
Other planets have a much lower chance (between 6 and 11% depending on the specific moon and how many credits you have)

[tall kindle]

yeah it's cool that theres a mold spawning type thing now, would make for very nice designs, if you could switch the model of the model and spawn custom enemies under it then it'd get relaly cool

[rapid nymph]

Ye
Also maybe the ability to add custom shroud vain model replacements to specific moons so that not every moon has the same infection

Like, it makes no sense for underwater planets, but what if you had a different strain under water that spawned a custom enemy or smth

I think there's some cool things moon designers could do with the mechanic

[tall kindle]

Yeah, register a new shroud vain model and assign it to moons

And since the locations of their spawn are random, u could do your own detection I.e. spawn em underwear

Underwater*

[rapid nymph]

Yeye :3

[tall kindle]

Custom Weather, custom enemies, moon, items, scrap, vehicles, I'm only missing custom plants and custom interiors now

[zenith flax]

going to bed now. will try and actually be cool and get only the bare minimum needed out asap then look at stuff like custom viechle, plant, hazards etc.

no promises

[tall kindle]

Well, not an f, but just a general okay

[young acorn]

so to get moons working you just have to add weed positions and update the dropship?

[gaunt hinge]

I don't think you need the weed positions
I've seen them spawn on my moons without them

[young acorn]

is there anything you need to do to get the cruiser working other than fix the dropship?

[gaunt hinge]

I don't think so
Afaik if you bring one you should be able to use it fine

[slim wind]

i found an extremely cursed way of doing that

[limber thunder]

@slim wind looks like I found my way back just in time. 🤣 I think LLL should be good to go nuget tomorrow.

[zenith flax]

yippeeeee

[limber thunder]

have a good night, let me know if I can help anything tomorrow

[slim wind]

amaaaaazing 😇

[merry marsh]

It's not based on spawn lists at all, it's based on the amount of mold on the level

[tall kindle]

yeah we had this conversation lol

[merry marsh]

I know we did, but I wanted to specify here in case someone didn't know😅

[tall kindle]

no as in me and adi

read a bit above here

lol

[rapid nymph]

Mold Manipulator mod to customize mold and mold enemy spawns when? :3

[zenith flax]

I’ve already been asked about ExtendedMold 😛

I know myself too well to promise anything in advance

[rapid nymph]

Same lol
I've considered it too, but I also considered a custom weather API mod like 3 months ago xD

Too many ideas, not enough time and motivation to implement it all

[zenith flax]

custom weather stuff is a real pain because everyone is really hoping at some point zeekerss reworks it to use SO's like everything else

[slim wind]

👀

[zenith flax]

i am in the kitchen 😄

[slim wind]

you are crazy

it's there already? 😳

[steady ingot]

Chef Batby 👨‍🍳

[vocal flame]

Please just don't break the company moon again

[brisk schooner]

Break the company moon again

[lament nebula]

Break the company moon again, but only for @vocal flame

[zenith flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1168656318345777313/1256871254045229148/ExtendedBuyableVehicle.mp4?ex=66825812&is=66810692&hm=923aa2a33dbea81ca01fab055bc4800cab5cb30a2bc6567ef330bddc642ccd7a&

[zenith flax]

2 and a half hours to implement + helped zeekerss fix a bug 😄

[grim nexus]

Vengabus real

[slim wind]

👀 ayyooooooo

[steady ingot]

you took that out of the oven too early, its a bit raw

you are doing gods work tbh lol

[brisk schooner]

knew I kept ya around for a reason

[zenith flax]

@gaunt hinge @elder ether

this certainly looks interesting

[elder ether]

It’s 4 am and seeing this out of nowhere feels like I saw god

[zenith flax]

😄

ya'll will have to tinker around with how to use it correctly but

@true void this what u want

i think

[elder ether]

Can’t wait for trzctor

Tracot

Tractro

I give up

Tractor

[true void]

smooth elevator yay

[tall kindle]

Lmaooo

[true void]

there's flicker here too

It's fine when moving horizontally

[tall kindle]

could the flickering just be from how you're moving the cube itself?

there shouldnt be any flickering in a parent style system

though i think even in the ship people flicker when going up and down the oon

moon

[true void]

It seems to happen when moving up and down quickly

moving slowly works well

maybe the vertical velocity or less is probably fine for ship takeoff and landing animations

[tall kindle]

the problem is probably just that the interval in the cube going up and down is too wide so it's like it jumps rather than it moves up so the player also jumps and flickers

[crisp galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-crazy-son-of-a-bitch-you-did-it-jurrasic-park-gif-19484615

[unreal crest]

Fortnite battlebus time

[tired solar]

@zenith flax btw if/when the vehicle API for LLL is in a usable state, could you push it to the repo or even send a development version assembly? Cus there's one person who'd like to make their own vehicle already. I could send them the LethalLib implementation too if it's not really ready yet

[zenith flax]

Will have to be tomorrow sorry

[tired solar]

oke, no worries 👍

[young acorn]

i can't find anything in any of the vanilla moons that seem to relate to mold, other than MoldAttractionPoint, i think that might be what controls the mold. spawns randomly, mostly near the moldattractionpoint maybe?

[tall kindle]

There's a boolean lemme find the screenshot I sent

[tall kindle]

It is a toggle, just not sure if you have access to it rn :3

[young acorn]

oh the level thing has three things related to mold

Can Spawn Mold, Mold Spread Iterations, Mold Start Position

[tall kindle]

There ya go

[young acorn]

i dont know what they do but i wanna mess with them

[hexed mesa]

does that mean tomorrow is the v55 version of LLL?

[tall kindle]

I think its more so they can setup the vehicle for v55 before the actual v55 push

In no way should LLL push to a beta imo

[hexed mesa]

Understandable

[unique geode]

Yeah the support LLL needs for V55 is minor so tomorrow's patch will add support for the Vehicle as you said but not break compat with V50

A lot of mods have been updating for compat with V55 and compat with V50 isn't broken cus most changes needed are very minor

[tall kindle]

Umm how do u expect support for vehicle but backwards compat simultaneously

[unique geode]

I mean I'm going off of what you said

I might be misunderstanding a little though cus of my Autism

[tall kindle]

I'm saying the github repository would be updated so the person can use the code

[errant lotus]

I'd opt to wait for the actual v55 release in case it's no longer compatible with v50 :,]

[unique geode]

Ahhhhh

[tall kindle]

But its all up to batby, I'm just saying what I think sounds logical + based on experience from previous updates

[unique geode]

Yeah I just understood it as LLL was getting an update to implement a check for the vehicle

Which theoretically wouldn't break compat with V50 cus it could just be a line of code that detects the 2 versions

[plush wing]

They don't know, chat.

[tall kindle]

This just got pointed out to me, what the fuck is that csproj @zenith flax

[zenith flax]

I’ll probably drop v55 release on curseforge

and git

[unique geode]

I'm not swapping to CurseForge :/ so I hope you push the update to Thunderstore as well soon

Would be too much of a mod split atm

[zenith flax]

Thunderstore doesn’t have the features to support releasing a mod targeting a specific version nor marking it as alpha/beta

[unique geode]

That is true

So for Thunderstore you're just waiting for V55 to hit the main release then

[zenith flax]

yes

or to get features other places have had for a decade

[unique geode]

Yeah I did see Desat recently mentioning Mythic is working on that stuff so I hope to see it finally add that stuff soon

I hope to see V55 be polished in the next few days and hit the main release, I know that might be pretty hopeful thinking but the build does feel like it's a close to final release build that still needs some polishing and bug fixing done, the plants also need to not spread so quickly

The plants are probably the most unbalanced thing rn, they get a bit over prominent too quickly

[zenith flax]

@true void what was moving the cube

[zenith flax]

@limber thunder bit of a messy commit because im bad with doing github stuff right but regarding the issues with building normally, I did the suggestion Hamunii suggested in swapping some of the csproj stuff around and it seems to be building fine with terminal and the built in build button? I'll probably chuck an experimental release out for the lc beta anyway but if the stuff you were cooking is ready and there's a reason to use that over the current setup let me know

@tired solar https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/experimental/Thunderstore/plugins/LethalLevelLoader.dll

[unique geode]

I mean I guess if you wanna push the new release to Thunderstore now you could do LLL_Experimental and then deprecate it once V55 hits the main branch

But you may not wanna do that route and I don't blame ya

[zenith flax]

No

[empty trail]

I don't think Batby will do that ever tbh. Its generally better to wait for the v55 to become a release to do that.

[unique geode]

Yeah

I agree that's why I said I doubt he'd wanna do it

lol

[empty trail]

I also wont do anything like that since its a lot more to keep up with xd
So fox and barber will have to wait for my moons, but thats a lot more tame compared to an API like LLL which upholds tons of mods

[unique geode]

I mean tbf you could add them to the list if you wanted, they just can't spawn on them if you're playing on V50

XD

It's more so the Dropship changes that need to wait for V55 to hit the main branch

[empty trail]

Itll likely give errors if I try doing anything like that I think

[unique geode]

It might not sure, you can keep moons not inside of LLL setup for Interior entries though so idk

That is different ofc but it may just simply ignore the entries if they can't be found

That'd be something that would need testing

[empty trail]

Tbh id want to wait for v55 to be a release since I have things I need to fix and I dont want to mess up my references by updating to v55

[unique geode]

Ye

You'd need to implement the new dropship changes anyways so it makes sense to wait and just push an update with all the new V55 stuff

[empty trail]

mhm, rn I have a safety net with that company cruiser fix mod
But once I can do it I will since its more my responsibility imo

[unique geode]

Yeah c;

[true void]

Animator

[zenith flax]

@true void try setting the animator to use physics time scale or whatever it’s called

Basically this should make it run on FixedUpdate rather than Update

should hopefully fix it

[tall kindle]

I'd imagine it'd be worse no?

I presumed the problem was the steps interval in going up and down

And fixed update runs less than update, generally, iirc

It'll also still look weird to clients iirc, I haven't looked too deeply into the vehicle code but I solved the other clients looking weird with changing ownership on the person riding

[zenith flax]

Trust

[tall kindle]

I hope it works too

[merry marsh]

Can anyone confirm whether the size settings for interiors works? I cannot get any size settings to work for multiple interiors

[crisp galleon]

I think some might have their own config file, even though they also show up in the LethalLevelLoader one. I’m not sure if you have to change it in both places or only one, but maybe see if you have to change it in another file.

[merry marsh]

I tried it with a bunch that only use LLL

[crisp galleon]

Oh. I hasn’t really messed with interiors so unfortunately that’s all I can think of at the moment.

[limber thunder]

The way it's now on experimental it'll work as long as you've got the netcode-patch CLI tool installed. That'll need to happen in GitHub actions then too (@slim wind do your actions do that already?). This is fine for the moment, as it makes it work for you locally in Visual Studio, at the expense of "it just automagically works for dotnet users". Until https://github.com/EvaisaDev/UnityNetcodePatcher/pull/41 lands (hint hint @lyric glade 😉 ) and we can have both. I'd rather get on with automated builds than be blocked by this.

[slim wind]

unless you're talking about other package 😅

[limber thunder]

precisely what I meant, just didn't know what you threw batbys way

[slim wind]

i can send you a link in dms

[limber thunder]

if you would like me to take a look then sure. no promises I get around to PRing an LLL adaptation before batby does it, depends on how my week goes ^^'

[slim wind]

no worries 😅

[lyric glade]

why using Windows runner for github actions ?

[limber thunder]

on the LLL experimental branch batby's currently patching via CLI again (to make it work locally too, where they're using Visual Studio on windows). Github actions will run on linux no problem. With that PR I just want to be able to automatically switch between CLI and Sdk patching, so we can omit the tool install in github actions. (until the very far future where https://github.com/dotnet/msbuild/issues/4834 gets resolved)

[kindred herald]

I think it works fine but imho it's not very intuitive to use because you don't know the internally calculated value that you're interpolating with these settings so you're really just guessing. Have you looked at how it's calculated?
Basically this (LLL source, edited for brevity)

float calculatedMultiplier = (extendedLevel.SelectableLevel.factorySizeMultiplier / indoorMapType.MapTileSize * RoundManager.Instance.mapSizeMultiplier);
if (calculatedMultiplier > extendedDungeonFlow.DynamicDungeonSizeMinMax.y)
    calculatedMultiplier = Mathf.Lerp(calculatedMultiplier, extendedDungeonFlow.DynamicDungeonSizeMinMax.y, extendedDungeonFlow.DynamicDungeonSizeLerpRate);
else if (calculatedMultiplier < extendedDungeonFlow.DynamicDungeonSizeMinMax.x)
    calculatedMultiplier = Mathf.Lerp(calculatedMultiplier, extendedDungeonFlow.DynamicDungeonSizeMinMax.x, extendedDungeonFlow.DynamicDungeonSizeLerpRate);

Much easier imho is to use LQ where you just set the factorysizemultiplier for each flow. Try a flow on a moon where you know how it should generate in terms of size/loot density. Dungeon too small? Make number larger. Dungeon too big? Make number smaller. Done. Just don't make it too small or generation will crash (only managed to do this for dantors mental hospital)..

[small trench]

this may be a dumb question, how would i add scrap from a mod that uses lethal expansion core to the scraplist via lethal level loader? pikmin2 scraps, for example.

or is this not possible because those mods hate each other

[zenith flax]

use of Lethal Expansion is not supported while using Lethal Level Loader

[small trench]

i shall wait for the day when the mod is finally moved to LLL then

thank you

[merry marsh]

The generation was exactly the same no matter what I changed. I made sure to set the seed so the only variance would be size

The only mods I used were LLL and dependencies, CullFactory to set the seed, and whatever interior I was currently testing

[young acorn]

would enjoy an extendedhazard (mines n stuff) function or whatever, would be useful for something i want to do on one of my moons, and could maybe make all the interior stuff on moons like Wesley's Moons random and dynamic

[zenith flax]

yeee forsure

[kindred herald]

Interesting. What values did you set for scaling? in LLL logs did you see the sizes you were expecting?

[merry marsh]

I tried both 0 and 1 and 0.5 nothing made a change

I've used it in the past with no problems, which is why I asked if it currently works. Because from my testing it doesn't seem like it

[mellow flame]

Been gone what’s happened to mods in v55

[opal marten]

how to fix this daamm mod

nothing shows up

in game terminal the moons dont show up

pls help <3

[crisp galleon]

Can’t speak for all mods but from what I think I remember being said here was that LLL works as do modded moons, but moons need to be updated to add new things (like the vehicle won’t spawn since it needs new dropship stuff).

[crisp galleon]

I don’t know why this could be, but one thing I can think to check would be filters. You can filter moons by criteria so maybe make sure you don’t have one (I think type out “filter none”). Another thing would be to ensure you aren’t having a weird mod conflict. Try disabling anything that might mess with the terminal and if that’s not it, disable others and see if you find it.

[opal marten]

ill try it out

what bout interiors not showing

[crisp galleon]

Interiors aren’t listed on the terminal, but should show if you type “simulate moonname” with moonname being whichever you want to see. It should list all possible interiors and probabilities.

[opal marten]

completly softlocked :( pls help when i disable LLL it works

[crisp galleon]

Yikes. That looks like an old issue but I think that’s the most recent LLL version. I don’t remember the issue too well, but is this a new or old save? I feel like there was a point where old saves broke, but again I don’t really remember. Unfortunately someone else with more knowledge might have to help because I’m not really sure.

[opal marten]

new save

its fine thanks for u help

[crisp galleon]

You’re welcome. This is interesting. Hopefully you can get it figured out.

[kindred herald]

yes, I think you're right. Just tried it and it doesn't even print the log so I guess the dynamic size code isn't running in the current version.

[grim nexus]

hi, decided to download your exact mods and I've noticed a dependency missing in your screenshots. https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Evaisa/HookGenPatcher/ This is a dependency for LethalLib. Do you have this downloaded?

[opal marten]

YEP i did i noticed it after i posted

still has the same thing

does the game work for u?

with the mods?

[grim nexus]

Yes, I loaded it up. Infinite money worked, along with all the moons + dependencies.

My next question, do you use a mod manager like r2?

[opal marten]

nope manual

shall i do it now?

[grim nexus]

I would recommend it for the sake of "it just works".

[opal marten]

aight bet

doin it rn

can u send a ss of ur mod folder btw

pls

[grim nexus]

I can also send you a profile code to download all of these in r2 if you'd like

[opal marten]

yeah that would be nice

[grim nexus]

01907579-c1f2-26dc-1a17-89bad6be9798

[opal marten]

Thanks

game launched and not soft locked

[opal marten]

am i supossed to edit a config or smtn to view other moons?

[grim nexus]

Odd, I loaded it back up and sfDesat's moons are there at the bottom. Were they there for you when you loaded up a new profile? I can see that you've played one day out.

[opal marten]

even in the mod console terminal LLL only loaded the vanilla moons

this entire thing is confusing

thanks for ur time and help

:LethalLevelLoader] LethalLevelLoader loaded!!
[Info :LethalLevelLoader] Finding LethalBundles!
[Info :LethalLevelLoader] No Bundles Found!
[Info :LethalLevelLoader] Config Level Set As: User

[Info :LethalLevelLoader] LethalLevelLoader Loaded The Following ExtendedLevels:

1. 41 Experimentation (Vanilla)
2. 220 Assurance (Vanilla)
3. 56 Vow (Vanilla)
4. 71 Gordion (Vanilla)
5. 61 March (Vanilla)
6. 20 Adamance (Vanilla)
7. 85 Rend (Vanilla)
8. 7 Dine (Vanilla)
9. 21 Offense (Vanilla)
10. 8 Titan (Vanilla)
11. 68 Artifice (Vanilla)
12. 44 Liquidation (Vanilla)
13. 5 Embrion (Vanilla)

some bits

[grim nexus]

Sometimes deleting the profile and redownloading the code can help. Perhaps try that?

[opal marten]

ill try it out thanks

[true void]

I tested it now and it works perfectly

[tall kindle]

That's interesting

[barren lintel]

assuming LLL isn't working yet with v55, is there like a beta build for it?

which I did try to put LLL into the mods, but I only get stuck like this untiil I removed it 😭

[tall kindle]

show logs

shouldnt be LLL

[barren lintel]

here it is

and then its just spamming SoundManager thing infinitely

idk if thats a problem or not

[rough edge]

send full log

[barren lintel]

wait how do I export the full logs

im just gonna try copypasting it to a text file

[tall kindle]

thunderstore --> settings --> logs --> copy logs

then paste em here

[barren lintel]

wait they cant even fit in

this is like the second part of it

and then yeah the rest is just the soundmanager- nothing else

[tall kindle]

that was in it already, lol, but looks like diversity and emotes api error'd

[barren lintel]

oooohh- so its Diversity and Emotes not working with modded moons

cause when I remove LLL, im not stuck anymore

[tall kindle]

diversity should be working

so not sure

[barren lintel]

lemme remove Diversity and Badass Company (?) and enable LLL again

removed both and it still stuck 😔

yeah im no longer stuck when i disabled LLL double checking

[abstract bobcat]

(Late, but it should be LC_Office that's doing it)

[manic belfry]

Yes it is

[maiden valley]

Do interiors still desync ever?

[crisp galleon]

I think they can, but I don’t know that it’s common. My friend group played not super long ago and once one of them had a different interior than the rest of us, but it was just the once.

[young acorn]

interior desyncs have been basically completely fixed

[hexed mesa]

i did get an interior desync yesterday, but all things considered probably my fault since I edited my LLL config to change the moons list on an interior, and my friend did not have said changes.

which is probably expected, but I remember Batby saying that it would load whatever dungeon that the host said, so I figured it would be fine

[young acorn]

despite replacing the dropship with the new one, i still get errors from it when trying to get something without cruiserfix

is there anything else i have to do to fix the dropship?

[jade sandal]

I'm trying to create custom scrap, but for some reason when I test it out in the game, its stuck on the a seed that has been picked. I do not have LethalExpansion and I followed Xulians tutorial on scrap.

[zenith flax]

Would need a log

[jade sandal]

Alright

[jade sandal]

It stops here and shows random seed: (number)

[forest turtle]

Also ran into this issue, no settings for size end up affecting interiors for me either

[tall kindle]

@zenith flax while you're preparing for some LLL update whenever that be, someone said the purchasing SFX is broken if u could look into that

[zenith flax]

Mhm?

Oh ok

Makes sense

Can you make a really barebones issue on git

just so I remember

[small trench]

where can i find the list of possible scrap to insert into the scrap spawn list? such as their code names since i know some items dont display the same name as they are actually registered as

[zenith flax]

Don’t quote me but I think the names in the pinned spreadsheet are the internal ones

[small trench]

i read that spreadsheet last night, those names definitely match with default values in the config

is there some kind of log that prints all modded scrap names in the game? or is there a way for me to find this on my own

[zenith flax]

I can’t recall anything I could suggest for that unfortunately

Apologies

[small trench]

i see

thank you!

now that i think about it an older version of LLL showed modded scrap in the default values for scrap

maybe i need to download and play with the scraps first and download LLL after? to reload its config

[leaden citrus]

If you install the SellMyScrap mod you can use the view all scrap command in the terminal which will show you all the registered scrap.

The names shown should be the internal name

[tall kindle]

yeah sure

[small trench]

REALLY

thank you

i will try this

[mellow flame]

does LLL work for v56?

[brisk schooner]

Whelp, Batby didn't release an update within 15 attoseconds of the game hitting v56 so I'm marking LLL as deprecated

[steady ingot]

[tall kindle]

twas a good run, time to fork

[crisp galleon]

RIP LLL, you will live on in our hearts.

[hexed mesa]

🫡 its been nice knowing you LLL boi

[chrome notch]

to actually answer your question, yes. some v56 functionality is missing from both LLL and custom moons though so that will require an update on both sides, or dedicated fix mods like CompanyCruiserFix

[young acorn]

i still don't know how to properly set up vain shrouds on my moons

[mellow flame]

Alr thx

[jade sandal]

It automatically grows anywhere I think. (Same with Kidnapper Fox)

You can’t set where it grows though

[small trench]

i tested and the cruiser works with LLL installed

except for the large boulder that appeared to me and crashed my server, maybe it isnt working

[young acorn]

i've heard that it automatically works, but there are other things to define which i would like to figure out. vanilla moons have a MoldAttractionPoint, unsure what it does, and in the level is two values. Mold Spread Iterations, Mold Start Position

[zenith flax]

bad timing will be a day or two

[zenith flax]

If any kind soul is super comfortable with transpilers and can knock them out super fast I’d love some help with the save and load functions

I gotta swap out the use of saving via id to planetname

Will do lethal toolbox update at the same time

[brisk schooner]

I dunno if its been mentioned, but I was playing with Nikki, Wes and Generic the other day and we noticed that the plants the fox hide in seem to accumulate across all custom moons as tho they were one moon that you keep returning to, I think is how she said it. I'm not familiar with how its supposed to work

[zenith flax]

Yeah the plant saving stuff would all be fucked

i don’t know if you know but at runtime you can’t save any changes to scenes

so persistent changes in scenes in a single session requires custom data handling, let alone save file based

all of zeekersss stuff uses index based id’s for it all

[brisk schooner]

Oh

[zenith flax]

which LLL can’t use because ID’s can’t be consistent fundamentally

[brisk schooner]

Uh, have fun with solving that

:3

[zenith flax]

It’s fine!

I have to do it for other save stuff

it’s just lc has those calls across like 6-8 different calls and there deep in the middle of a big function

So trandpilers are needed

And i hate transpilers 😭

[brisk schooner]

Rip, I really have 0 experience with transpilers

[crisp galleon]

Well man I hope you can figure it out. How you even made any of this I have no idea but am incredibly glad and thankful that you did.

[hexed mesa]

I genuinely have no better to do tonight and I will love to do it

[zenith flax]

🥺

👉👈

On phone rn but in LLL I already swap out a similar thing (just in a postfix and not a transpiler) Just gonna swap out having the ID in the string with the SelectableLevel.name (not SelectableLevel.PlanetName)

For the vein stuff it saves and loads like 3 or 4 different lists that need to be switcheroo’d

[hexed mesa]

So I have to fix some ID (postfix to transpilier) and add the vein stuff to code (also transplier)

[zenith flax]

Nah the postfix thing is just an example of how we already do it

just transpiling of the vein stuff is needed

[hexed mesa]

Gotchu

[tired solar]

Damn, I was late for transpiler/ILHook action 😔

[slim wind]

it's not over till it's over

[tired solar]

very inspirational

[tired solar]

oh btw yeah, so if transpilers aren't fun, don't focus on wanting to do progress on a mod, instead move your focus into writing a transpiler and forget about everything else 🔥

I love writing ILHooks because there's so much to learn and it's fun to get better at it

but to not make it a chore, make writing the transpiler your goal

[tall kindle]

If its not fun, forget about everything else in the world and just do it.
Such inspirational words

[tired solar]

it's not fun if it's a chore, kinda like if you have 10 difficult math questions you need to answer in an hour, it's not fun at all, but one math question and you can spend as much time as you want? That can be fun

[tall kindle]

I mean, u can't erase the fact that u still have to do it

[tired solar]

You have to change how you think of the problem

[tall kindle]

Just because u manipulated the teacher into making ur assignment one question doesn't mean it's not homework

[tall kindle]

Hmmmmm

[tired solar]

No no no, a teacher will probably not give you only one question, but probably on your free time you might come across a fun math question which is only fun because there is no pressure.

[tall kindle]

Problem is, I don't think batby has that kind of leisure rn lol

[tired solar]

sure, but you still can try changing how you think about the issue

[tall kindle]

Dunno, maybe I'm too locked in to properly lie to myself about how the problem looks like

[tired solar]

You don't have to lie to yourself. Like, this is basically just focusing on doing one thing at a time instead of everything

[shy flax]

So don't have a lot of time on my hands, but with the update I figured I would mess with some stuff. I noticed that some of my scrap mods are not working on planets that I am using LLL to overwrite the settings. I am guessing this is why? If so, will leaving this blank allow all scrap to spawn at their default weights?

[versed spire]

guys

LLL dosent work on v55?

because it released

[tall kindle]

it should

[versed spire]

it dosent

when i load into game

i get the hellish black screen thing

black screen

[tall kindle]

send logs

[versed spire]

ok

wait

[unique geode]

If you have LC Office

you need to remove it

That's the only mod right now that will cause a Black Screen that requires LLL, LLL itself is fine

[versed spire]

oh

thx

[steady ingot]

Oooh good to know

[versed spire]

and lethalk things

[shy flax]

But CozyOffice does work if you want an office alternitive if you dont have it already

[versed spire]

is also bugged

[versed spire]

il see

btw

lethal things is also ded in v55

[tall kindle]

ye ik

[versed spire]

i didnt know

[tall kindle]

disable it for now

[versed spire]

yep

also cant send logs since i have em disabled

also

anyone knows why v55 decreases sooo much fps

like

before i had 100fps in ship

now i have 70

[tall kindle]

probably a mod, but if ur logs are disabled then cant really check lol

[versed spire]

ye ik

but i didnt install any new mods

thats the thing

[tired solar]

Could happen if something is erroring constantly probably

[versed spire]

il enable my logs bacjk

nvm cant

[hexed mesa]

sorry to waste your time and to give you a false sense of dopamine, but i spent like 2 hours trying to even set up LLL (im stuck in getting NetworkScenePatcher to compile). I've got to sleep and I can't code tomorrow so I leave you with absolutely nothing except the knowledge that I tried

looking back at it, I should have just written a basic transpilier patch for your mod but oh well

[tired solar]

oh, so I'm not necessarily late for writing an ILHook?

[hexed mesa]

Do it

[tired solar]

so what was the method that needs some transpiler action?

[hexed mesa]

Dis

[tired solar]

where exactly is the vein stuff? 😅

[hexed mesa]

If you look at the original SaveValues function (I can't remember the class. LLL references that function a few times), it shows what's being saved

[tired solar]

okay, thanks!

[rich aurora]

Hmm I don't have too much familiarity with making a moon but is there an entrance trigger audio preset or some equivalent?

There's a map that I encountered that has indoor weather and I'm trying to figure out what might be the issue causing it. The entrance trigger audio preset seemed to be the culprit for it back in the LE days but I'm unsure if that variable still exists for LLL.

[zenith flax]

lll doesnt do custom scripts like LE

it uses LC stuff directly

[rich aurora]

Ah gotcha

[zenith flax]

doesnt solve your question but just to point you in the right direction