Lethal Level Loader [Custom Content Loading API]

[tall kindle]

so yes, doesnt work

[empty trail]

Ye

[spice ingot]

yea but why does it say batsy doesnt plan on making it v50 compatible lmao

it says false

[empty trail]

Seems like there is two things for LLL for some reason

xD

[spice ingot]

i think thats what they were referring to

[tall kindle]

probably cause whoever wrote it was when v50 was in beta?

im not sure what you dont undersatnd about a community updated spreadsheet

[red stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[tall kindle]

exactly lol

[spice ingot]

thats

[empty trail]

terrifying

[spice ingot]

ok

not what i meant at all

whatever, excited for whenever the update rolls out

[kindred bramble]

Ready to go chief!

[zenith flax]

.

[forest mountain]

@open wind Could you link me some examples of stuff you've worked on for the purposes of modding?

[fleet badger]

@zenith flax hi, sorry for tagging, i found that LLL makes the terminal cannot show anything, clothes rack not working, and cannot exit to main menu. Is there any solution?

[slim wind]

v50? none

[abstract bobcat]

Wait for testing to finish and it to be released properly for v50*

[tall kindle]

fyi the modding requirement has always been as small as making a mod that replaces a singular mp4 file in the game, anything released in the thunderstore works for the modder role, ill stop backseating you now lol

[forest mountain]

Ik I just straight up don't know anything about them

[abstract bobcat]

time to put my this unpleasant gradient shows up at your front door suit onto thunderstore

[tall kindle]

dats fair

[unique geode]

@zenith flax I hope the new update is coming along well

Wanna wish you the best amongst everyone's impatience since I know you're working hard c;

[zenith flax]

.

[tall kindle]

chop chop LLL boy i wanna see this working 100% no bugs free of charge 1440p soon

[empty trail]

xD

[tall kindle]

had to balance out the forces of kindness

[kindred bramble]

@vagrant sundial
So just a suggestion. I believe we need to add Celestial Tint to the development resources section. In v49 it was the most important tool in figuring out whether LLL had died. All error report questions would start with, yeah that's cool but are there planets though?

[tall kindle]

Definitely not

no offense but its not API, a library, a development tool or a tutorial

or any of these

[vagrant sundial]

lol

[kindred bramble]

I think you are not understanding how much the No Planets test just works.

I would like to point out that when LLL fails. The Planets Dissapear!!!

[tall kindle]

theres a difference between identifying that a problem exists and what it is than that there is a problem somewhere

plus, celestial tint could just break one day, and people are supposed to just think "oh shit, LLL is fucked, lets complain to batby"

there are better tools for this

[kindred bramble]

Yes but first we have to identify that a problem exists somewhere.

😛

[tall kindle]

and celestial tint doesnt do a check for every problem lmfao

you'd probably see the exact same errors that celestial tint is showing you from the console

[kindred bramble]

@vagrant sundial
Well looks like you need to add some features to Celestial Tint.

[tall kindle]

if you wanna make it a debugging tool feel free, I just think you'd be ruining celestial tint and making something stupid and unnecessary lol

[kindred bramble]

Celestial tint has alerted me so many times to Shattered Company breaking hahaha.

It is my #1 debugging tool hahaha

[tall kindle]

i just wish there was something called a console that would flash bright red when something didnt load in properly or work

[kindred bramble]

OMG that would be so usefull!

We should add that to Celestial Tint!

[tall kindle]

just out of curiousity, when the starlancer warehouse broke, was it a problem in LLL or the interior? and how'd you know?

[kindred bramble]

Celestial Tint

The planets dissapeared....

I am crying laughing right now.

[tall kindle]

yeah but was it a problem in LLL or the interior?

cuz i cant see how celestial tint would differentiate it for you lol

[kindred bramble]

I am going to be really honest. I put like 2% effort into this one as I know Warehouse will be ported to v50. So I just identified that it broke and deleted it so I had less work to do.

[kindred bramble]

As soon as I load an LLL-dependent mod. If celestial tint is not working it means LLL has broken. So I look down through the ship windows immediately during tests.

[solemn bison]

From a non developer perspective it would be really cool if this theoretical console would consistently attribute errors to a specific mod rather than forcing you to guess most of the time (but I imagine there are technical reasons why this isn’t feasible)

Theoretically speaking of course

[kindred bramble]

My Full mod pack has 268 mods. So it could have been anything breaking it. I would usually find out what it was, report the error, and have it fixed. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut v50.

[tall kindle]

i-it kinda does most of the time

[solemn bison]

Most of the time for me it hasn’t lol, just depends on the error I guess

[tall kindle]

thats fair

[kindred bramble]

10% of the time it works 100% of the time.

[lofty blaze]

I am trying the experimental version for v50 and I get this error even though I have lethalLib installed

[tall kindle]

it isnt asking for lethal lib

its asking for lethalmoddatalib

[forest mountain]

Also https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1228961224126103632

[lofty blaze]

alright thank you

[lofty blaze]

where do I get this

[tall kindle]

in thunderstore?

[lofty blaze]

okok thanks sorry

[tall kindle]

all good

[unique geode]

That isn't LethalLib

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/MaxWasUnavailable/LethalModDataLib/ It's referring to this.

[lofty blaze]

thank you everyone

[fierce axle]

Is the satellite mod an actual moon you play on? And is the interior you made specifically for that?

[open wind]

The only serious mod I've released is a scrap mod using LE: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/qwcan/UmaCompany/. I did a quick (temporary) patch of LECore for v50 (https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/qwcan/LethalExpansionCorePatch/), but I'm looking into helping with conversion of LE modules to work with LLL

[forest mountain]

?modder 210759563744509952

[still urchin]

Added role Modder to chunkyisdead

Yay! @open wind you've been assigned the modder role. Head to #role-picker to select which type of modding you're interested and active in.

[forest mountain]

It is done

[open wind]

Sweet

[hollow rivet]

dose anyone know what mod could be doing this

[16:59:57.3248963] [Error : Unity Log] MissingMethodException: Method not found: int .RoundManager.PlayRandomClip(UnityEngine.AudioSource,UnityEngine.AudioClip[],bool,single,int)
Stack trace:
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::Update>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)

[outer pecan]

if the error appears every time you walk I think it's the ScarletDevilMansion

[hollow rivet]

I dont have scarletdevilmansion

[outer pecan]

I got the same error because of that mod. If you don't have it then I don't know what could cause it

[hollow rivet]

I mean it lets me move but it gets spammed super fast

[outer pecan]

you can try disabling LLL to see if that's the mod causing the problem (assuming you're using LLL)

[hollow rivet]

I'm using advance level loader in the mean while because its the only one that lets me even land on moons

I dont think its that though because I disabled it and it still was happening

[outer pecan]

in that case I don't have the slightest idea what mod it could be

[sacred crag]

how would i download the new experimental version of lethal level loader?

[vagrant sundial]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1228961224126103632

[sacred crag]

yea but how would i actully install it for use

[lone mist]

Yo its been a couple months now since last time I asked. Is there any documentation on how to make a moon with LLL? I made one with lethalexpansion before and would like to switch to LLL instead

[dim pelican]

go check out Audio Knight's video, its very helpful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnZG5464ZcE

[glass apex]

i'm using lllfixed so i can use custom moons in v50, can i start making a moon for v50 with this tutorial or should i wait for the new update before making a moon? i'm not sure if this method is still compatible with the new version

[glass apex]

also is there a tutorial for custom interiors? the LLL wiki isn't really that helpful

[hoary sail]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1206155878647078912

[glass apex]

oh shit thank you

[tired solar]

the LLL wiki isn't really that helpful
💀

lol, such empty

[tall kindle]

Lmao that section

[tall kindle]

@hushed sky did you ever get around to writing some docs? I remember you made a video I think

[mellow flame]

he made 7 videos

[devout kindle]

is there any way for me to hide the new v50 moons from displaying on the terminal (Art, Emb, Liq) without also overriding all of their loot and enemy settings? they are obviously a spoiler for people who have not looked at the patch notes

the reason I'm asking is because the settings do not appear to be accurate to vanilla and thus would affect gameplay

I wonder if blowing the fields out and just leaving them blank would address this

[soft hearth]

will the new version be backwards compatible or not?

[unique geode]

Wdym like with v49? No lol

V49 is dropping support fast from mods.

[hushed sky]

yes i have some videos on interiors on how to make them not really the code part and docs are just the dungen tool docs

https://youtu.be/lsQl7P0PYs0?si=5OajbW1qzoxZvHJv

[main ravine]

Yeah Major + Audio Knight's tutorials got me most of the way with my interior/custom moon

was so happy to have them

[mellow flame]

Def without them i wouldnt even try, but because of them i did, and i am super happy with the results

[main ravine]

Yeah legit Black Mesa interior and moon would not exist at all without their tutorials

😄

[safe kettle]

so like
i'm sure this problem has been talked about
basically anything that needs lll breaks rn
is there a solution? i tried downgrading, didn't work

like i get stuck in the terminal

[empty trail]

Current LLL version is completely busted on v50

[safe kettle]

yeah, i know
i'm wondering if there's any fix until an update happens

[empty trail]

Use experimental or the new LLLFixed reupload

[safe kettle]

how do i do experimental?

[empty trail]

In LLL’s github

[safe kettle]

ah

alright, thanks

will say if it works

[empty trail]

Some mods wont work

[safe kettle]

fun. guess it's time to go through it all manually
hjnhkfnhlkdhj.

[empty trail]

xD

Personally id say wait until it becomes stable enough

which will hopefully happen in the next week

Batby is working hard on it

[safe kettle]

nah i have been c r a v i n g lethal lately
my impatient ass cannot wait

[empty trail]

Fair

[safe kettle]

good to know the mod is being worked on tho!

[empty trail]

yepp

[safe kettle]

are there like
any mods in particular known not to work right now?
that could make things easier

[empty trail]

Scarlet Devil Mansion

Pretty sure Scoopy's interiors dont work either

Not sure what else

Weather Tweaks maybe?

[safe kettle]

thank you!

first try: no go. disabling a couple of things
should i have both the fixed and the normal enabled or just the fixed?

[empty trail]

You only need one or the other

I think

[safe kettle]

ok good

[south hawk]

I have a problem(

black screen when entering the game, when disabling LLL - everything is fine

did anyone have such a problem?

[empty trail]

What version of LLL are you using & what version of Lethal Company are you using?

[south hawk]

LLL latest version

LC V50

[empty trail]

Latest LLL version on Thunderstore breaks with v50

Theres alternatives, but Id suggest waiting for LLL to update fully for v50

Batby is working on it

[south hawk]

Will wait

I can do without custom dungeons

[lusty widget]

may i ask what the alternatives are?

[solemn bison]

sure, feel free to ask

[red stratus]

btw @zenith flax it's like dumb easy to redirect your logs to a special output file

[fierce axle]

Can u send link?

[fringe fjord]

My Terminal doesn't work when enableling LLL

[summer sierra]

That’s because it hasn’t been updated yet for v50

[eager steeple]

sadge

[muted flint]

whats the difference between lll and lll fixed?

[summer sierra]

LLL is a temporary patch mod

[spiral siren]

you mean LLL Fixed is I assume?

[rich aurora]

LLL is the main branch one that has its next version undergoing testing for a smooth v50 launch
LLLFixed is a branch that was made to address an issue with interior desyncs that was going on I believe and some other hotfixes

[pine olive]

seeing how LECPatch is breaking moon accessibility on my end (being stuck on seed screen, fire exits broken, facility teleportation broken, etc), may just have to cut my losses. damn. i worked hard on all that pathing and everything

[spice jungle]

when is the estimated time for the v50 release?

nvm, saw someone say around next week

[vagrant sundial]

it can take longer than that. There is a beta, but that could be unstable https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1228961224126103632. make sure to read the documentation for the dependencies

[spice jungle]

awesome, thank you sf! love your mods and moons

honestly all of you guys make awesome stuff. Rosie, Piggy, batsy. Fun to see all of you guys here

[loud pond]

Wesley

[lusty widget]

okay, what are the alternatives?

ive been playing v50 and its been fun but i would like to play modded moons/tiles

[fierce axle]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1229857094207799376

[lusty widget]

i think i love you

[fierce axle]

lol

Cuz of my pfp, isn’t it

[zenith flax]

meanwhile balatro going off

[hoary sail]

is balatro worth getting?

[zenith flax]

if its your vibe, absolutely

[merry marsh]

Yes very much so

[hoary sail]

I'll buy it

Just got paid so might as well

[zenith flax]

yippeee

[pine olive]

[merry marsh]

Rip your free time😂😂 enjoy

[full harbor]

Balatro maintains a power fantasy very well for a Poker game

[hoary sail]

Ok

This game is kinda fire

[zenith flax]

how you liking it?

[hoary sail]

I have a fire run going

[zenith flax]

hell yeah

oh heads up xMult is like order dependent if you didn't pick that up

[hoary sail]

Holo Raised fist, polychrome spade +4 multi guy

[zenith flax]

you want xMult stuff at the end (goes for jokers, scoring cards like glass cards or held cards like steel cards)

[hoary sail]

yeah i figured about as much because they scale so much better

[zenith flax]

oh also red seals work on in-hand effects too

lot of people don't notice that

[hoary sail]

NOOOOO

I was almost to ante 8

[full harbor]

Also you can move your jokers while your hand is in play, but that's a very niche thing. Can be useful with some money jokers.

[mellow flame]

Do i need to know how to play poker prior

or will it teach me

[zenith flax]

nah

only the hands which the game teaches you

[hoary sail]

Stonks

[young tartan]

the ui made me think its pokemon instantly

the colors and ui design looks just like pokemon aslmost

even the background

[mellow flame]

nah to “it will teach me”, or nah to “do i need to learn poker before”

[hoary sail]

It will teach you

[mellow flame]

Bet

[serene viper]

How's lll doing @zenith flax just checking in

[zenith flax]

good

news testing

needs

been grinding

not as many explosions as i was worried about

[serene viper]

Missing custom moons and interiors can't wait for this keep up the hard work

Your doing a good job @zenith flax

What kind of explosions did u expect?

[zenith flax]

idk just for the entire mod to break

rn it's working pretty well

feel free to try it

[serene viper]

Link?

Do you have a rough eta?

[zenith flax]

no eta

#1228961224126103632

[serene viper]

I'll wait patiently brother thanks for the link

Check back again soon

BTW is the hot fix okay to use? Like do u condone this mod?

[zenith flax]

https://www.reddit.com/r/lethalcompany/comments/1c6q41u/lethallevelloader_progress_report/

[zenith flax]

its safe but the uploader isn't the author nor is a developer

don't expect support

[serene viper]

imma use your beta for solo but my squad is thunderstore only mods, tried to go over github with them didnt work out

[sour spindle]

sounds like a buncha WEENIES

[trail harbor]

I'd like to help with testing. Is there some particular areas you think would need more tests?

[zenith flax]

❤️ In a perfect world multiplayer testing would be goated but mostly just kinda casual play with knowing it's unstable in mind if that makes sense

Finding incompatible mods that are not listed in the doc in #1228961224126103632 as well

basicially helping me find anything that would be a massive problem if I pushed to the Thunderstore for everyone

eg. failure to land on moons, dungeon desync, black terminal etc.

[trail harbor]

Gotcha! Sounds good to me!
And if I wanna port a scrap mod from LethalLib to the new LethalLevelLoader is there some instructions? (As I understand it won't be compatible anymore)

[zenith flax]

Yeah I gotta get a little writeup done but the process is super chill, can even do it without code

@tall kindle might be able to help you out in #1228961224126103632 if their not too busy

[tall kindle]

I havent tried scrap but I imagine it's about the same as porting monsters or easier, my only reason of still not porting is ease of use for stuff like configs, speaking of which i forgot to suggest stuff in terms of configs lol

[trail harbor]

The scraps I'm thinking about are part of a complex mod so I'm sure it'll need to be by code haha. Thanks I'll try it out. I'll ask in the thread if I need help

[still urchin]

Hello, @trail harbor, we have a dedicated support channel and forum here: #help-and-troubleshooting #1185732310700654732
Anyone responding is a volunteer so be patient.

[tall kindle]

Each scrap I make usually doubles as a shop item so my config goes like this.
EnableScrap
ScrapRarity
EnableItem
ItemCost

Enemies have just the basic config of.
EnemyEnabled
EnemyRarity

The only thing is that it'll get a bit complicated trying to make a config and parse it because of how much control LLL gives you lol

[tall kindle]

It should be pretty easy, LL shouldn't touch any sort of actual code to the scrap itself nor would LLL, probably

[trail harbor]

Yeah I assume I can do it mostly the same way I do with LethalLib

[tall kindle]

Yep! It's just instead of registering in code it's mostly all unity now

[zenith flax]

(you can do via code too!)

[trail harbor]

I will 🤣. I don't open Unity if I don't have too haha

[zenith flax]

got bored and messed with something, not sure if i should include or not

this dynamically makes the font a little bit smaller according to how many moons are listed on the catalogue

its subtle but neat

[zenith flax]

what do you find complicated about this

like what's intimidating you

[tall kindle]

i just found it a lot more intuitive plus the lack of control kinda made things feel easier

like don't get me wrong, im sure this way is a lot better than how i was having to do it with dicts and whatnot

[zenith flax]

fair i suppose, if you have a specific usecase your looking for feel free to ask for a suggestion in #1228961224126103632

[pine olive]

smash
this is a nice QoL improvement and i feel it should be included

[spiral siren]

definitely a useful feature, though perhaps something that could screw with other mods so should be optional

[zenith flax]

only for that node

[spiral siren]

oh is node font size a vanilla thing?

[zenith flax]

its textmeshpro stuff

on the terminalz

[spiral siren]

right, that's what I thought it must be

I guess as long as it gets reset properly it's fine

[zenith flax]

ye it should

[spiral siren]

terminal likes to explode though

I don't trust it lol

[zenith flax]

for context i built my own per node prefix/postfix event registry system kinda

i can just reset it before that fires

TerminalManager.AddTerminalNodeEventListener(TerminalManager.moonsKeyword.specialKeywordResult, TerminalManager.RefreshMoonsCataloguePage, TerminalManager.LoadNodeActionType.After);

then when Terminal.LoadNewNode fires off and it's the node registered here it invokes the function that i've provided

(and if it's ActionType.Before it can return it in the actual prefix patch)

[spiral siren]

oh yeah that seems nice

[hollow rivet]

Will there be a way to sort moons by a custom list

[remote quail]

Oh yeah that’d be nice

Just an text option in the config to allow for moons to be placed in a specific order

Possibly like “Infernis,Aquatis,Vow, ,Gratar,Nyx,Crest”

So infernis would be first, with aquatis and vow under them

[red stratus]

batby is going to explode

[remote quail]

Empty spaces in that config would basically leave an empty space between the moons in the terminal

Like how there’s groups

Yeah i wouldnt rule out spontaneous combustion a possible fate

[slim wind]

i don't think the mod loading moons themselves should have that feature lol

[remote quail]

I mean they have the feature to sort the moons

[hollow rivet]

I like making the moons sort by the danger level so D, C, B, A, S and SS but when I do that it dose not work so I have to do it by price and D, C and B are all 0 so they don’t go in order

[slim wind]

and that mechanic would override that completely

[remote quail]

If they want (bc this is just a suggestion), it’s be nice to have custom sorting be an option

[hollow rivet]

They already have a feature for doing it by price, and danger level

[slim wind]

i mean - that's at least doable

[hollow rivet]

But the ones that are 0 don’t go in order

[sour spindle]

if you were tasked with converting danger level to a numerical value how would you do it

actually honestly

I'd love a way to evaluate the rough difficulty of a moon

because currently for my scrap mod

which doesnt use any API

i have spawn chances set for modded moons

[zenith flax]

already in

👍

[slim wind]

https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/69d4f1e2f4c59589d545d05ddea7524136c36236/LethalLevelLoader/Patches/LevelManager.cs#L342-L343

[sour spindle]

and looking at the graph of moon like, values

the one that most linearly scaled with difficulty in the basegame was maxScrap

[slim wind]

so it would be ExtendedLevel.CalculatedDifficultyRating

[zenith flax]

@sour spindle by default all custom levels risk levels are set by me now

(can be manually overridden)

[hollow rivet]

Could make a way to sort by risk level

[sour spindle]

oh boy

i just thought of a cool way to do moon selection

but instantly realized the terminal doesnt work like that

silly me

[neon jungle]

hey, I have a question about this mod, whenever it is enabled I can't use the terminal - the text never appears

[brisk crag]

Thats a softlock happening. Current LLL isn't compatible with v50. Batby is working on a v50 version but its in testing atm before being pushed to Thunderstore.
There is a LLLFixed, but the OG LLLFixed softlocked the terminal for me as well.
There have been LLLFixed copies that have actually worked, but keep in mind they are copies and you won't get any help with them if something goes wrong (development wise).

[neon jungle]

Alright

Where can I get one of the fixed versions? Just on thunderstore?

[brisk crag]

Yes, look for LLLFixed by Refract. That is the OG. Any other LLLFixed by another person is a copy.

[neon jungle]

Thank you

[brisk crag]

You're welcome! Hoping it works for you 🙂

[neon jungle]

I can't seem to find it on thunderstore, do you know a link?

[brisk crag]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Refract/LethalLevelLoaderFixed/

This is OG LLLFixed

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Pineguys/LethalLevelLoaderFixedV50/

This is a copy (so no help with development)

[neon jungle]

Thank you

[full harbor]

Thank you poll very cool

[gaunt hinge]

lmaoo

[thorny fog]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-worthless-gravity-falls-dipper-pines-worthless-gif-25136060

[weary apex]

stability is good

[loud pond]

batby wanted the poll a bit ago but never got one so I made it with the discord feature :trollshrug:

[pine olive]

cant go wrong with the tried and true formula of long wait for cleaner updates, followed by a hotfix or few post release

[loud pond]

personally for LC version updates (ex v49 to v50) id prefer haste over new features / inital stability so there is less weight

[zenith flax]

In fairness a mix of the ac drama and burnout messed up the timeframe pretty badly

[lament nebula]

Yeah that one is moreso down to unfortunate timing

Big overhaul update being developed and then a new game update drops

So you either update an old code base (assuming you still have easy access to it) or continue developing the new version to get it out faster

[loud pond]

your good bro its completely understandable

working on a massive api solo is mad impressive and alot of work

[mellow flame]

facts, bro's api is pretty much an api for anything for lethal modding at this point

[neat ember]

If I manually downloaded the experimental .dll from here: https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/main/Thunderstore/plugins/LethalLevelLoader.dll
and replaced the one in my mod folder with it, should I be expecting moon mods originally made for older versions to be working? I can't get them working at all. Most don't show at all and Wesley's refuse to actually load once I pull the lever, hanging on the Random seed screen with an error about LethalExpansion:

[unique geode]

Disable LEC

[zenith flax]

remove lethal expansion

[neat ember]

thanks, I'll try that.

[zenith flax]

also #1228961224126103632 prefered thread

[neat ember]

thanks, couldn't find it and felt stupid

[zenith flax]

discord sucks your fine

[hoary sail]

Holy, rich guy comin through

[zenith flax]

frllllllllllll

[earnest falcon]

Whenever I use this mod in my modpack, it causes me to get stuck in the terminal with a blank screen

v50

[zenith flax]

This mod has yet to be fully updated to v50

[earnest falcon]

Makes Sense, thanks

[zenith flax]

im so satisfied

[main ravine]

Just started playing today haha

😅

It's pretty fun!

[hoary sail]

Balatro Company tbh

[rich aurora]

Gonna be interesting to see LLL being more of the swiss army knife of the modding scene when 1.2.0 finally hits

[pine olive]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/HolographicWings/LethalExpansion_Preview/ well... this was unexpected

[open wind]

Thank god, people can stop using my patch

[fierce axle]

LLL got some competition 👀

[abstract bobcat]

I don't think so

[atomic acorn]

well im still avoiding lethalexpansion as i always have

[pine olive]

nowhere near competition for LLL. some LE moons still get seed screened

[fierce axle]

yea was jk lol

[sharp marten]

whats a preview version even supposed to mean? an experimental build?

[mellow flame]

im still using it 🤣, problem is lethal expansion is still kinda bloated, also it breaks with LLL v50 fixed

[patent schooner]

Y'all got any... Vampire?

[zenith flax]

sadly not

[slim wind]

exactly

[lilac rock]

I'm not sure what's going on with LLL, I have a lot of interior installed, when I check % with TerminalPlus mod installed I actually see them all

but when I remove the mod, I only get this short list, which also seem to reflect the interior I get as I tried to enter a lot the same moon facility (even when I have the previous list)

[zenith flax]

what LLL

[lilac rock]

LLLv50Fixed

[slim wind]

good luck 🫡

[zenith flax]

nothing anyone can help with there

[lilac rock]

is it not part of the LLL mod?

[zenith flax]

its a unoffical reupload of a strangers edit of an edit of LLL

[slim wind]

it's previous LLL version, gonna be changed shortly

[slim wind]

also that

[lilac rock]

ah ok, so it's either use this and have half working things or not using it and everything is broken...

[zenith flax]

you can also try the official experimental builds but i can't promise their stable

[slim wind]

it's either use that and have it working somehow or use experimental and test what's not working rn

[lilac rock]

where do I get the experimental?

[zenith flax]

overall i don't think it seems to be exploding toooo badly

#1228961224126103632 check pins

[tall kindle]

I havent checked in a couple days, did the debug menu thing get fixed? Ik it might not seem important but that menu is probably the most important menu for me in terms of modding lol

[lilac rock]

ah it's a manuel install? which mean it wouldn't work for guest

[zenith flax]

guest would have to manual aswell ye

[red stratus]

use imperium

[lilac rock]

unfortunate, guess i'll wait for an official release

[tall kindle]

Afaik that doesn't work for custom anything lol

Well mostly not anyway

[red stratus]

how are you registering stuff then

cause it works perfectly fine for me

[tall kindle]

Just normally? Imperium dev himself said it lacks a helluva lot of compatibility afaik

Plus my mod isn't just an enemy and my mod profile has a bunch of mods I'm testing lol

I have furniture I've made, skins I've made, ship upgrades, enemies, scrap, shop items

And I don't think it supports all of those

[red stratus]

it also supports my geiger counter

so its most stuff

[tall kindle]

I can give it a try soon but I've been taking their word for the incompatibility with most mods lol

[calm eagle]

I definitely have the option to spawn a redwood.
idk if it works, but the option is there

[tall kindle]

It probably does work it just didn't at the time it first came out, trust me I was one of the first people to see imperium being up on thunderstore lol, I've been watching until it becomes fully compatible with mods

[calm eagle]

it's been immensely helpful in testing EnemyEscape

[tall kindle]

I havent exactly needed it, stuff like pathing I already have a purple line thing that tells me where my enemy is going

[vernal grove]

oh god it's the gd 2.2 situation all over again

I'm getting flashbacks

[polar inlet]

Hey, I wanted to ask when you can expect a release?

[patent schooner]

When it changes out of experimental- https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1228961224126103632

I'm curious out of all of this - does the infamous duplicate-moons in the configs get fixed? Will v50 drop with the config never duplicating a moon again (not that I ever use it for configuration of things, since most (if not all) of the stuff LLL config can change is something I don't change (or use LQ for))?

Or I should say- LLL v50-compatable-not-in-experimental, not LLL "v50".

[slim wind]

yes

this has been taken care of

[patent schooner]

Nice

Twas annoying seeing numerous Atlas Abyss' 'n one or two other moons... which I think I recall noticing they were just the LE moons

not that it should've caused any issues since the config was mostly disabled (aside from the first few configurable lines)

[slim wind]

it was a mess, yes

[patent schooner]

But seeing the config mess up - makes ye wonder if something else did down the line

[fierce axle]

will LLL fix weather desync when its done?

using weather tweaks for now

[slim wind]

in experimental4 (and i think experimental3 as well) it's been fixed

[fierce axle]

oh nice

[slim wind]

i mean the config stuff 😅

[fierce axle]

oh lol

[slim wind]

sorry for misdirection, don't know about the weather, sadly

[patent schooner]

weather desync still happenin' huh ., .

[slim wind]

i know for a fact that future LLL versions will have a custom weather support

so there's that

[slim wind]

it's even worse than before lmao

[patent schooner]

Ye wonder if like

it'd be easier to just force all moons to be "clear" - and then have the weather be changed after generation via. host's perspective?

Like - there's mods to change/shift the weather as you're already on the moon

[slim wind]

that's how vanilla works 🤔

i'm pretty sure

[slim wind]

also that's me 🤭

[patent schooner]

then how the hell is it desyncing ; -;

[slim wind]

🤷 🤷 🤷

[patent schooner]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[slim wind]

your guess might be better than mine, honestly

all clients run the same calculation separately from each other

so if any input parameter is not synced, the game goes to shit

[patent schooner]

My thought process: Host sees "Titan (Eclipsed)" - so everyone sees on the terminal "Titan (Eclipsed)". Then when you land there, every client loads as "Titan (Clear)" - but after the generation process, host sees (and experiences) "Eclipsed" - so shift everyone's weather before the ship door even opens to "Eclipsed"

That way they're just waiting on the host's weather to ping at them - and won't calculate anything on their end

[slim wind]

that's roughly what i'm doing?

i just disable the calculations on all clients and have them wait for host to send them the current calculations

that way any actual calculations/setting the weather happens in one place and it's replicated to all other clients

no desync, no double calculations, no problems

[patent schooner]

... automod the hecc (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

"how the hell do we both end up on, what sounds like, flawless execution order that shouldn't [censor] up - and it seems to [censor] up =w='"

omf- ok

(when the hell did they make automod be strict about that)

[slim wind]

always has been

[patent schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-tron-what-what-the-fuck-wtf-surprised-gif-4633333

anyways-

[slim wind]

i'm making the weather go crazy

[patent schooner]

How does it mess up

I'm more curious about that now than anythin' this next update is dropping. How do people witness different things if the clients ping the host (or vice versa) what the weather should be, and it all ... ... hm... I guess like... maybe if (like moons) weather was assigned a number?... on some list?

'n my "eclipsed" is weather 4, but for some reason, yours is 3?... does it get numbered?

[slim wind]

i'm not entirely sure what's the actual cause of the desyncs, but they do happen

[patent schooner]

It sounds bloody flawless

[slim wind]

in vanilla the weather is never synchronized or sent between players

[patent schooner]

host gets [weather], host tells everyone [weather]

[slim wind]

only the level seed is, which is the input parameter

based on the seed every client runs the same algorithm and - theoretically - gets the same result

if anything goes wrong/different on any step the result will be different

[patent schooner]

theoretically - lovely RNG would love to throw a wrench there

[slim wind]

exactly

[patent schooner]

Can you somehow like

patch away the ability for the seed to calculate the weather

[slim wind]

i don't know why, i don't exactly know how/where, but i got the fix ready

[patent schooner]

and just have LLL handle weather instead

[slim wind]

my mod is doing exactly that

[patent schooner]

🤣

Look- same wavelength, different time periods

=w =

[slim wind]

i'm disabling the weather calculation when you're not the host

[patent schooner]

sometimes solutions sound obvious

'n clearly the thought processes I go through - you go through. Good mindset >w>

[slim wind]

and when the calculated results are received on client they are applied as if they calculated it themselves

no desync ✨

[patent schooner]

Which in turn, should prevent every bs desync of weather

[slim wind]

exactly 😇

[patent schooner]

the only potential issue is the host/clients seeing a weather on the terminal - and the terminal weather doesn't match up to the experienced weather

but - everyone will experience the same weather

I would bet in some future the terminal weather will somehow desync due to a mod conflict - but idgaf if the terminal weather is sometimes wrong to this or that

what matters most is if every client sees the weather the host sees/experiences.

[slim wind]

that's also fixed by me

terminal weather == actual weather

[patent schooner]

Well aren't you a badass~ =w = ... some good hands around 'ere!

Continue hammerin' away solid weather syncing. :p

[slim wind]

🫡

that's the plan

[spiral siren]

does that calculation interact with any shared RNG? that seems dangerous if so, but I assume you checked that

[slim wind]

if you want to check even crazier weather stuff happening, check out https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/BetaWeatherTweaksBeta/

[spiral siren]

if it did I would've expected the interior generation to be desynced

[patent schooner]

WAIT A MINUTE-

[slim wind]

i'm using level seed to seed the System.Random

i'm not changing anything in regards to that

[spiral siren]

oh, are you replacing whatever vanilla does completely then?

[slim wind]

yes

[spiral siren]

ah ok

[patent schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-yoshi-cas-van-de-pol-how-to-train-your-dragon-gif-3895550527008532813

You damn devs 'n your names! =w =

[slim wind]

.<

oopsie 🤭

[patent schooner]

I SEE U NOW

w>

I was like "WeatherTweaks, but that's a name already"

[slim wind]

there's literally no other way to fix that system 😭

[slim wind]

🤭 🤭 🤭

[patent schooner]

omf... multiple weather?...

Well-... hm

[slim wind]

and the weather changing during the day 😳

[spiral siren]

that bad huh

[patent schooner]

Have you contemplated how your beta will work with somethin' like this? https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Fredolx/MeteoMultiplier/

[slim wind]

it's already implemented

[slim wind]

as i said before: the weather system is not synced in any way, shape or form

it's worse than you think

[patent schooner]

Will weathertweaks take the job of multiplying scrap? :o

or just the API part

that meteo can then use

[slim wind]

i'm taking the values from meteomultiplier and applying it to my shenanigans

[patent schooner]

um... .,.

that went over my head

does that mean you do the scrap multiplication- or your mod gives that mod stuff to handle adding multiplications together ., .

I guess what I'm asking is - does that make meteo obsolete, or are they shaking hands

[slim wind]

they are french kissing

[patent schooner]

😳 Oo

when I say integrated, I didn't mean they gotta get frisky with it- but let mods be mods

||What they do behind BepinEx closed doors is none of my concern, as long as they all come out of that closet functioning||

[slim wind]

lol 🤭

generally i'm trying to set up a system: name a mod that's messing with weather - it's compatible with my mod

it's hard, but there are only a few mods doing that

[patent schooner]

thankfully it's a smol amount of mods that f with weather

event mods (dice, brutal company / hullbreaker / etc), twitch-integration-type mods, 'n weather-adding mods.

probably less than 30 mods tops that actually f with weather (that aren't some one-off smol download count mod made for the memes)

although I guess it isn't as easy as just 'cut their weather calculation guaranteed'

[slim wind]

does hullbreaker even touch weather?

[patent schooner]

cause you don't know how they'll touch weather

or do you ensure all the calculations are done within the mod

without harmony-patchin' 'n stuff

[slim wind]

i'm manually patching whatever need be to use my solutions instead

[patent schooner]

cause if it's all controlled within your mod, then no matter how they try to f with weather - all you gotta do is ensure clients don't calculate - and it's all gravy right?

[slim wind]

yes

[patent schooner]

then ez

just gotta cut client weather calculations no matter what ;p

or actually... like

as a backup - cause the host's weather is what matters most right..

somehow just do a verification check when the ship lands, right?

a one-time ping to be like Client->Host "What weather is it?" - Host->Client: [Weather]

if weather checks out, carry on. If not - shift weather to match up

[slim wind]

when host sets the server value every client auto-applies them

it's one-way communication only

[patent schooner]

hm..

then I guess.... just have the host send one more when the ship lands to ensure all event-type mods 'n whatever else happened already o -o?

one more ping - that is

[slim wind]

no need to

[patent schooner]

you're that certain o ,o?

[slim wind]

the mod is active almost 3 months, not once did it break

[patent schooner]

the beta thing? . ,.

[slim wind]

if i disable everything that can change weather and set it in one place, there's no possibility of it messing up

[patent schooner]

true... just sounds like ye have to do like... manual special shit per mod instead of it being over encompassing ., .' ... I guess then at least ensure event stuff like dice plays well with it? o-o

like if an event mod forces the weather to shift cause somebody rolled some dice, will your end detect that and shift along with it in its calculations? . ,. (Like- if a dice rolled it to shift to stormy, but your mod was planning on making it stormy 2 ingame hours later - does it detect that and shift its calculation to changing it to clear/foggy later - or does it try to make it stormy still anyways?)

[slim wind]

That's my plan

Right now I'm planning to make some sort of API for easily setting up the weathers outside my mod, and I'm gonna patch the mods changing weathers to use those systems instead

So everything runs on the same set of values

[patent schooner]

At this damn rate, did you eat the same bloody breakfast that I did?

the hecc did you eat for breakfast today - cause it seems me voicin' anything around this is moot cause ye already thought of it -3-

at least that won't be sync'd

||Unless ye had some crappy quality mac 'n cheese for breakfast as an awful choice.... quite awful tbh - I mean, why the hell did it ask for half a tbsp of butter?... Knew it should've had more||

[slim wind]

I've been actively fixing all the stuff brought up by you for over a month 😅

[patent schooner]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

I shall think of something you didn't think of-.... that, or find a bug one day

=w =

[slim wind]

Please do 😇

[patent schooner]

I poke many bugs >w> ... if there is a bug, you shall get the whole kit and log

I'm assuming the BetaWeatherTweaks will move onto the actual WeatherTweaks?

[slim wind]

Yes

Eventually

[patent schooner]

is there a date on that?

[slim wind]

🙂

[patent schooner]

at least before Star Citizen right? ;p

[slim wind]

Two months ago I would've said "in two weeks"

[patent schooner]

ah

[slim wind]

I don't know anymore

[patent schooner]

the ol' flying car or... what was it... heck i just heard of it yesterday too

quote was like ... "6 months ago it was in 3 weeks"

somethingsomething

[slim wind]

I'm on that schedule lol

[patent schooner]

and it was in relation to technology of a certain type

[slim wind]

it's not like I'm not doing anything

But I'm iterating on every new mechanic and testing it extensively so it's not causing any unnecessary chaos

[patent schooner]

oh psh - you're just trying to make it so there's 0 bugs. How dare you

in this economy?

[slim wind]

lol 😂

[patent schooner]

Don't you know things ship out with at least 1000 bugs?

[slim wind]

and delayed for years

[patent schooner]

At least make a specific GPU fry itself just for loading the game up with your mod

be considerate to AAA devs

or wait- I got it. I can fix your mod.

Microtransactions.

Thank me later.

[slim wind]

Genius at work

[patent schooner]

I'll take 5% royalties - no questions asked.

[slim wind]

If you pay you get different weathers than eclipse

[patent schooner]

mhm

"Eclipsed weather? But with 1 Universal-Transformation-Injector for $4.99 - you can force the eclipsed weather to be clear, and force no mob spawns for the day"

[slim wind]

and on every session it "forgets" you paid already

[patent schooner]

I joke about this, but there were many mobile games already released with Lethal Company stuff

complete with ads or microtransactions no doubt

[slim wind]

grifters need to eat as well

[patent schooner]

"Buy 200 quota credits for $1.99"

The game purposely calculates just enough scrap for you to be off by ~150 credits on day 3

[slim wind]

lol

[patent schooner]

to incentivize you to buy it so you can play 3 more days

then feeds you 2x scrap amounts and easier mob spawns for the next 3 days

so you have backup scrap for next quota

only for it to slowly lower your "RNG"

to incentivize you to buy it once more

ok look- the more I joke about this, the more I sorta want this to be a mod of sorts

where you get "$" that gets tracked at the main menu (and pause menu) - gained only after failing a run. You then can use that for "Microtransactions" to assist/change the current run in some microtransaction-like way.

and it's always "cheatsy" in the way mobile games would do

[slim wind]

so making LC a rogue-lite?

[patent schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-26077231

except none of it is permanent - you just gain "Money"

that at any point, you can spend on microtransaction stuff

but spending X amount on one run - carries nothing over to the next. But if what u spent there helped you go 1-3 quotas deeper, then you technically made an "investment" because you are trying to net back more $ to hold onto

I wonder what kinda mobile-game level microtransactions could be made if this was a mod..

Ooo- like if everyone dies in a run, the ship doesn't automatically take off but instead a pop-up appears (like a pop-up ad on some shady website) that has a 10 second timer on the X button on the top right of the window going "Looks like you all failed! Want to buy a revive token?" - and in clicking it, charges $X money to revive the entire team back into the game

or maybe just revives the current player

[slim wind]

lmaoooo

Good one

[patent schooner]

Or when you try to press E on an inverse teleporter on cooldown, and it shows it's on cooldown - but you spam it 3 times, a popup comes up going like "It looks like you're trying to use the inverse teleporter. Those pesky teammates used up the cooldown already huh? [Insert sadface emoji here - in lethal company style]. Want to skip the wait?" [$1.99 - Sets cooldown to 0] [No]
(at the bottom it goes like: "Special offer! If you buy this now, we'll even allow items to be transported in for the next teleport!")

[slim wind]

I'm saving this idea for later

let's make Stripe integration in c#

[patent schooner]

Ok, how do I shove this into Mod-ideas withou- ok good, I was about to ask how to put this as a mod idea without making it sound like I actually want legit microtransactions into the game =w =

Mod name: "Microtransactions" 🤣

[slim wind]

I know it's a joke, but in some games that's the reality lol

[patent schooner]

Wait- can versions be names?

please

please tell me versions can be names

or letters

[slim wind]

I'm not sure

I guess not

[patent schooner]

If this became a mod, I want it to be "Microtransactions V1.Age.Of.Empires"

or V2.Assassins.Creed (V2.Assassins.Greed?)

[slim wind]

lmaoo

[patent schooner]

it could be parody names

v3.Clash.Of.Wallets

the final release version would just be V5.Money.Crush or somethin'

[slim wind]

money crush is a ballsy name

[patent schooner]

They'd probably sue for that 🤣

[slim wind]

Funny thing: I'm actually considering just naming my mod "Weather" lol

[patent schooner]

"Weather has updated to v.1.3.4"

[slim wind]

wake up, weather V2 dropped

[patent schooner]

I want mods to change their names to basic sounding stuff lol

LLL? No. "Maps"

"Maps updated to v.4"

or just "Moons"

"Moons updated to v.4" (LLL)
"Weather updated to v.1.4.3" (WeatherTweaks)
"Enemies updated to v.2" (any enemy mod)
"Ladders updated to v.5" (Giant Extension Ladders)
"Voices updated to v.3.6" (Mirage)

[slim wind]

voices 😳

[patent schooner]

that could've been a great april fools thing tbh

shifts all mods names to sound very important or code-like. "Harmony Patch updated to v.1.3", "Main Menu updated to v.3"

too many ideas (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

well as I stare at a giant list of mods awaiting an update that'll never come till this one updates - I'mma just do other stuff before the microtransaction idea rolls in my head too long -u - ... if you decide to do that as a mod, poke me if you want me to throw a house of random stuff at you (in terms of ideas). I never played a mobile game with a microtransaction once, but I know microtransactions all too well on PC stuff

[slim wind]

I'm not gonna do a micro transaction mod 😆

Let's make the whole game instead 🤭

[tall kindle]

I have a pretty sick idea I'm doing with frame for the progression stuff

It'll be a better version of lgu using credits or AC using exp made from credits, probably :p

[slim wind]

it's your time to shine

🤭

[patent schooner]

Progression mods hype

Literally a pinnacle to me. Top priority that nobody is setting as a priority -w-

LGU is one thing, but I need skills

[remote quail]

Yeah when are we getting parrying

[nimble umbra]

is the new LLL stable and out yet?

[remote quail]

We need to be asking the real questions here people

[slim wind]

🥲

[patent schooner]

Ye can't blame people askin' when it's been 8 days since v50 drops 'n they witness like half their modpack update... n this one is just silent -u- .... chose the best of times to start changing things up huh?

Lord knows the next main update will be 3 months from now, but the heckin' big changes just coincidentally fit nicely when v50 dropped. -u -

It's like waiting for Forge on MC. If MC Updates, can't touch the newest one modded till Forge updates. And that sometimes takes a long darn time

[slim wind]

i remember when optifine was a thing

waiting for that was brutal

[patent schooner]

still is a thing

gotta wait half a damn year for it to update... if ever

I seriously don't get why it takes so long for Optifine to update too btw

Minecraft will add like 1 tree, and 1 entity

and Optifine will take half a damn year to update a lighting engine

https://tenor.com/view/say-what-confused-nick-young-what-whut-gif-15653980

I don't know if I'm horribly downplaying how hard it is - but... come on. They add the tiniest of changes - and it takes that long?... what the hell is in the coding of the shaders that sounds (looks like, given how long they take) like they have to recode it from the ground up when they add a new tree?

[tall kindle]

Optifines like mostly discontinued 💀

[patent schooner]

Like- Example: 3/17/2024 - Optifine 1.20.4

12/7/2023 - 1.20.4 Minecraft

3 months???

note, they had Optifine for 1.20.1 on 12/21/2023

[tall kindle]

Crazy, it's almost like optifines dead

[patent schooner]

the change for 1.20.4?

= -=?

ONE bug -w -

1.20.3 fixed bugs and added toggleable features, 1.20.2 added a few commands, messed with loot tables, and changed the functionality around certain items.

like-... hecc Optifine.... anyways, optifine tangent away -w -...

[solemn bison]

If you’re using Optifine in this day and age you’re doing it wrong tbh

there are so many replacements for it that actually work much better

many of the “fixes” optifine does aren’t adapted properly for new versions

It had its heyday up to like 1.12.2 but it’s time is over

[slim wind]

sodium, nvidium, phosphor, iris? and many more

it works better and is more compatible

it's a no-brainer

after fabric came out optifine stopped being the best one

[solemn bison]

Yeah fabric was a huge push for replacements since it was incompatible and I guess people saw what was possible and ported them to forge

[patent schooner]

I hate the split between Fabric and Forge

Forge has all the "good" mods that have functionality, Fabric is night-and-day faster at launching and efficiency -u-

[nimble umbra]

guys, this is LLL thread, not minecraft's 💀

[patent schooner]

True -u -

[tall kindle]

Nah its balatro thread

[slim wind]

wait until you hear about neoforge

[tall kindle]

What about the new forge

[slim wind]

it's not backwards compatible, innit?

[patent schooner]

neoforge? ._.

👀

what is this- the "Linux" Forge for Windows? . _.

[slim wind]

IIRC some drama in the forge team

[patent schooner]

🙄

[slim wind]

so they've parted ways and made that

[patent schooner]

of bloody course there's drama in a dev team

drama with mod devs? never

Could you imagine drama happening in this server?

[slim wind]

never

[patent schooner]

This is actually news to me though

[slim wind]

sorry that i was the one delivering it

[patent schooner]

Never heard of NeoForge... (also, ... like... ... am I the only one to find it an odd choice of words to put before the damn name?)

Not that many things out there famously using "Neo" before it- ... =w=

[dim lily]

me when i as a consumer have to struggle choosing a modding api

cause of this

[tall kindle]

Neo is a common word

[patent schooner]

Yus

[tall kindle]

It's always put before the actual word

[patent schooner]

but as the name of a product/corp/program?

[tall kindle]

To represent something new

[tall kindle]

Yeah?

[patent schooner]

Is it gonna change in some time?

or is its permanent-name "NeoForge"?

[tall kindle]

It's literally still forge but

Probably perma

Idk go use google

[patent schooner]

I just heard of it~ (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Huh- this is less than 2 years old tops... actually less than a year. . -.

Shows how much I paid attention to the minecraft modding side of things... haven't touched a modpack in minecraft in quite a hot minute

Well you learn something new everyday huh?... I never caught wind of this drama and I am now learning it. I guess Fabric just exploded in popularity now given the divide and issues that'll arise with there now being 2 different "forge"s and yet the mods need to be coded to suit one or the other (or both)?... I wouldn't mind a mass divergence causing most to get their mods functioning in Fabric cause it loads like a beast. Ty for shedding light on this @slim wind o ,o

[main ravine]

Thank God Cobblemon is on both fabric and forge

Those devs are the coolest

not biased at all in saying that

[dim wing]

It's not officially out yet, but in the #1228961224126103632 thread, Batby said that he could theoretically release the current beta build on the public if he wanted. There's still a little ways to go though

[patent schooner]

Haven't learned enuf about the drama - who is cobblemon in all of this . ,.? ...

https://tenor.com/view/skeptical-futurama-fry-hmmm-i-got-my-eyes-on-you-gif-17101711

[tall kindle]

LOL i didnt even realise

i havent checked in in a while to cobblemon

[patent schooner]

OH

[tall kindle]

i remember thinking to give it another good few months cuz it looked pretty promising

[patent schooner]

OMFG- cobblemon was the god damn... omg

there was ANOTHER name for that

wait they're not even one and the same? :o

Honestly- I'm not even gonna ask into why there's 2

less I know - better. =w =

[tall kindle]

pixelmon and cobblemon? because competition?

[main ravine]

yeah the lore is that most of the OG devs that had the passion for the players left to create cobblemon to be more in line with minecraft and also due to the pixelmon leadership being very toxic and pay to win

they rake in thousands and thousands of dollars from servers they promote who pay them huge bucks each month and they are really nasty to their devs

So Cobblemon is an open source, vanilla minecraft inspired solution to all that corruption and drama

[tall kindle]

what gen u guys reached?

iirc i last checked it out during the earlier stages but there were a few like really high gen here and there

[main ravine]

there are mons from each gen but I think once the new update comes out in a week or so we will be at 600 pokemon lol

[tall kindle]

noice

[main ravine]

this was the last update we did which added letting your pokemon roam freely, trading, pvp, and berry breeding, etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7ZC5M9nQc&t=98s&pp=ygUJY29iYmxlbW9u

[tall kindle]

my ears died a little bit but looks nice

[main ravine]

And something I have been working on really hard for the update after next is fishing update where you can put bait on your hooks and each bait has different effects and you can customize your bobbers
https://youtu.be/JrlVL853Zw0

oh was it too loud haha

the music team gets a little wild

but yes Lethal Level Loader

😅

[tall kindle]

lol

but of course, LLL

[pine olive]

lol, LLL

[idle ravine]

I gotta get into modding cobblemon, it looks like a super solid base for extensions

[main ravine]

yeah it really is 🙂 And I work for the mod dev team itself so if you do make contributions to the mod at all I can be a reference for a team application if you find yourself wanting to join ever!

They are all very kind and fun to work with

[idle ravine]

I kinda wanted to do what palworld fumbled and let you put Pokemon to work for automation

[main ravine]

yeah that is on the docket for cobblemon actually 🙂

right now we are polishing up 1.5 for fossils and stuff, then fishing and doubles/triples/multi battles are almost done

Then breeding and TMs are a good deal done too

[dim lily]

always have been wondering what's up with the legal side of things when developing a nintendo ip mod? like yk, nintendo being nintendo

[main ravine]

As with anything with any IP there is always a risk, but Pixelmon has been around since 2010 I believe and is still around, plus we actually make all models, cries, music, animations, etc all from scratch with no base game assets too 🙂

So it's even less so, since Pixelmon uses game assets and other stuff at times

[zenith flax]

you ever just

[full harbor]

Would go so hard on ||Plasma|| Deck

[zenith flax]

it was 😄

[full harbor]

Niiice

[zenith flax]

progress going well

[weary apex]

What is it?

[zenith flax]

balatro lmaoo

this channel has ended up a balatro channel while experimental exists 😭

[dim lily]

the more I read this the more I think about getting it
actual psyop

[zenith flax]

since the last lll update release ive put 133 hours into it

for reference

[slim wind]

😳

holy

[true void]

... what?

Oh right nvm

[zenith flax]

I’ve almost 100%d talos 2 aswell

[midnight valve]

While I'm playing Neon White, I started it on Saturday and I don't know how many hours I've been playing. XD

To calm my craving for LLL v50.

[full harbor]

Another solid game (though the story stuff can get a bit cringy for me at times)

[midnight valve]

I don't like the love triangle there, it's strange and a little uncomfortable, otherwise I'm fine.

[full harbor]

Probably the weakest part of the game, but it has mechanics that feel good and solid game design in terms of getting people to replay levels.

[main ravine]

is that VA the same as Tom from Toonami?

👀

[midnight valve]

Uh...what is VA?

[lilac rock]

vaginal accident

[main ravine]

Voice Actor haha

[midnight valve]

Ah, idk, I don't know the other thing you told me. XD

[main ravine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sMUBvO7gXw&ab_channel=AdultSwim

This guy who voices Tom from the Cartoon Network block called Toonami

Sounds just like that voice actor for that character

[midnight valve]

Oh

Well it is. XD

[main ravine]

Wooo

fucking knew it

He has such a cool and distinct voice

[hoary sail]

Steve blum is my GOAT

[loud pond]

balatro is a deck builder so im here to shill my favorite deckbuilder wildfrost

[idle ravine]

Neon white is an amazing game, shame it flew under the radar

Had a sub-100 rank time on one of the levels, Demolition I think

[full harbor]

It's so hard getting close to that high because you got insane people flicking shots to every enemy bullet in the level for the speed boost

[mellow flame]

Old school yu gi oh

[hoary sail]

@zenith flax Is there a place I can go to see the actual names of the weather tags for the LevelMatchingProperties?

[zenith flax]

@hoary sail uhhh ill get back to you fully but i think it’s just the enum names

[hoary sail]

Take your time, im headed to bed for the night anyway

[tall kindle]

LevelWeatherType.Stormy;
```?

[red stratus]

zeekers vs localthunk who makes the most unreadable code

[tall kindle]

Isn't this also basically terrarias code

[slim wind]

NOOO please don't tell me it's real

undertale code lol

[slim wind]

😐

naaah

[tall kindle]

That is disgusting

[main ravine]

they get a pass since it is such a fun game

[hidden niche]

in indie gamedev, good code:

• allows for ease of adaptability
• increases performance
• encourages collaboration and modification
  bad code, on the other hand:
• ships

so yeah this makes sense

[slim wind]

lol so true

but looking at the example above it begs to make a class from that

[main ravine]

We were the jokers all along

[full harbor]

We're all just Greedy Jokers in this Checkered Deck of a world 😔

[spice ingot]

joker huh

like

like a jester

🃏

[solemn bison]

@zenith flax balatro intro be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L20fStwirqo

[low zealot]

ah yes, more than thousans cases

[zenith flax]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/

Version 1.2.0

• Updated mod for Lethal Company version 50

• Added ExtendedMod

• Added ExtendedEnemyType

• Added ExtendedItem

• Added ExtendedStoryLog

• Added ExtendedFootstepSurface (WIP)

• Added ExtendedWeatherEffect (WIP)

• Added LevelMatchingProperties

• Added DungeonMatchingProperties

• Added ContentTags

• Added Global LevelEvents Instance (Thanks mrov)

• Added Global DungeonEvents Instance (Thanks mrov)

• Added IsSetupComplete bool for modders to reference.

• Added onBeforeSetup event for modders to reference

• Added onSetupComplete event for modders to reference

• Revamped DebugLogs and provided a configurable debuglog setting in the config to allow Users to only receive relevant logs by default.

• Moved AssetBundleLoading earlier to help speed up load time

• Revamped debug logs when trying to load a level or simulate the loading of a level

• Revamped Moons Catalogue display to split custom moons into groups similar to the basegame moon listings.

• Revamped Moons Catalogue display to order custom moon groups by average risk level

• Revamped Moons Catalogue display to order custom moons inside groups by risk level

• Revamped Moons Catalogue display to prefer to group custom moons created by the same author

• Added string value to allow Authors to use custom route node display text to their levels
• Added string value to allow Authors to use custom route confirmation node display text to their levels
• By default SelectableLevel.riskLevel is now automatically assigned using calculations and comparisons of SelectableLevel values between both Custom and Vanilla levels. This can be manually overridden.
• Added an OverrideQuicksandPrefab value to allow authors to modify the Quicksand used on their level
• Added ShipFlyToMoonClip & ShipFlyFromMoonClip AnimationClip values to allow authors to modify the AnimationClips used when the Ship lands to and from their level (Currently disabled until bug is resolved with Unity Assetrip Fixer)
• Overhauled the way Scene’s are correlated with Levels by implementing a new weight based system built into ExtendedLevel to allow authors to randomly switch between multiple variant scenes for a single level.

• Added an OverrideKeyPrefab value to allow authors to modify the Key prefab used in their Dungeon
• Added a MapTileSize value to allow authors to set a correlated MapTileSize value that is used in new basegame functions implemented in Version 50.
• Added a new SpawnableMapObjects list value to allow authors to inject custom RandomMapObjects in their Dungeon
• Added a PluralisedItemName string value to allow developers to change how their item name is parsed when being referenced as a plural (eg. when buying multiple of them from the store)
• Created integrated ContentTag system that allows developers to put relevant string tags on all types of custom content (with an optional correlating colour). Developers can access groups of content based on a specific content tag as well as match their content with other pieces of content dynamically using the built in LevelMatchingProperties and DungeonMatchingProperties.
• All Vanilla content has been manually assigned Content Tags to allow developers to reference vanilla content via tags the same way they would custom content, You can find those tags here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WO77KGJplIEC64qmBClOgfEEoFxrhMurCEqe9FKod8I/edit?usp=sharing

• Fixed switch Terminal command incorrectly working
• Fixed Weather selection desyncing
• Fixed Dungeon selection desyncing
• Fixed Config duplicating entities (Credit to mrov)
• Added safety checks to correctly save and restore previously selected route and prevent previous routes to disabled levels from breaking
• Added safety checks to prevent invalid Foggy weather level values from breaking the game
• Added safety checks to prevent Levels & Dungeons having incorrect SpawnableMapObject setups from breaking the game
• Added safety check to prevent level missing MapPropsContainer tagged object from breaking the game
• Added safety check to prevent level with .SpawnScrapAndEnemies enabled and no spawnable scrap listed from breaking the game
• Fixed LevelEvents & DungeonEvents EntranceTeleport events behaving incorrectly (credit to mrov)
• Added custom code to optimize specific internal code used in DunGen generation (Credit to LadyRaphtalia)
• Made LogDayHistory function safer to allow DunGen generation in editor while using LethalLevelLoader to correctly work
• Fixed issue where specific special items (Shotgun, Shells, Hive, Knife) were not being collected
• Fixed issue where LethalLevelLoader was destroying assets in mods with multiple levels before it could correctly restore all those references first

[worldly lagoon]

lets gooooooooooooooo

[zenith flax]

there we go

[calm eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-goo-gif-21295281

[sharp marten]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[calm eagle]

I was technically first

:3

[worldly lagoon]

technically i was

[sharp marten]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-lets-goo-lest-gooooooooooooooooo-gif-19416648

[calm eagle]

I had to delete my gif so batby's changelog wasn't interrupted 🤭

[worldly lagoon]

aw man

[calm eagle]

it's okay, we can share first

[worldly lagoon]

yesss

[rich aurora]

ayyy

[granite sundial]

YOOOOO AWESOME

[zenith flax]

i wouldn't be suprised if stuff still blows up a little so lmk if yall run into anything

[worldly lagoon]

batby u the best

[dreamy island]

will do

[calm eagle]

the larger ecosystem will probably expose another crack or two in the foundation

[dreamy island]

Now to just hope the update reaches me

[main ravine]

Fuck yeah

Gonna try to get black mesa ready as soon as I can

[dreamy island]

any idea of how long updates in Thunderstore take to reach people? couple of mins or so?

[worldly lagoon]

wait does this mean my interior mod will break or not

[rich aurora]

Looks like I'll need to revise my pack when I get home in 2 days

[zenith flax]

5-40min

[dreamy island]

Yo I cannot wait to play that when it's fully done

[zenith flax]

no LLL content should be breaking due to this update

but eventually ill make a post telling people how to register their content w/ LLL in the new better ways

sometime this week

[shadow idol]

Just to be clear desyncing will not happen with 4 players anymore? or is that still a bug

[dreamy island]

btw Batby do you plan to perhaps port Kast? I saw there was a little interest in that

[zenith flax]

i'd be very mad if it was!

[worldly lagoon]

aight gotcha

[zenith flax]

I don't feel comfortable messing with Kast without permission

i'd love to

celeery hasn't responded

[dreamy island]

I hope celeery returns :c

[worldly lagoon]

mod wont be out for a while so i can make a couple of changes before release

[rich aurora]

Ye big problem is ceelery's been radio silent since like early Feb

[hollow rivet]

Is the porting tool out

[zenith flax]

its coming sooner than later

[rich aurora]

Some or that silence is prob focusing on studies

[spice ingot]

now that this is out last thing im waiting for is wesley's moons ported so

yippee time to make my friend's potato pc explode

[azure ether]

DOES LETHALLIB STUFF WORK STILL!?!?!?!

[zenith flax]

We'll certainly find out

[dreamy island]

yeap XD

[merry marsh]

@zenith flax What changes do we need to make for making our own configs work for interior mods

[zenith flax]

nothing

i fixed that this morning

ill write up more docs for using the new stuff soon soon

but nothing is required rn

[dreamy island]

Either when my LLL updates, it's gonna explode or it's gonna work perfectly. Can't wait to see what happens

[merry marsh]

So we don't need to do anything on our end anymore?

[zenith flax]

i mean you can

but in theory no

[merry marsh]

Awesome, thanks for letting me know. Plastered and I were worrying about it 😅

[azure ether]

what about the requirements?

do we still need lethaldata or no?

[hollow rivet]

Is there a way to sort moons by moon risk level instead of danger

[dreamy island]

There we go

[worldly lagoon]

aint risk level and danger the same

[zenith flax]

ye

[merry marsh]

Any other interiors besides SDM that need an update to function?

[zenith flax]

uhhh

maybe office?

not sure

[azure ether]

k got the stuff

[zenith flax]

sdm and office are the only ones i can think of that do heavy code stuff that v50 and such broke

[merry marsh]

I assume you mean LC Office, not CozyOffice

[worldly lagoon]

whats cozy office?

[azure ether]

an interior made by rosie that resembles the intro to v50

[dreamy island]

me staring at the 28% download bar impatiently

[worldly lagoon]

oh shi

i might have to get my hands on that

[dreamy island]

actually think my download might be stuck

[granite sundial]

mines done

[dreamy island]

gdi

thats..

fun.

[fierce axle]

i played LC office with that reupload and it seemed to work fine

but maybe with your changes itll break

[granite sundial]

ill try the offic

[unique geode]

SDM is the one that confirmed breaks, LC_Office might break in terms of some of some of it's features is my guess

[rich aurora]

Certainly worth a shot to try out

[unique geode]

As in the buggy features that are already recommended to disable atm

[dreamy island]

bruh why did my thunderstore have to break the moment I tried updating x.x

[granite sundial]

what is sdm

[rich aurora]

Scarlet Devil Mansion, LadyRaph's interior

[remote quail]

Wallahi we’re saved

[fierce axle]

what features

[main ravine]

Can you test the current version of black mesa by chance?

I won't be able to until later but it shouldn't break afaik

[remote quail]

Custom weather and smth else i forgot

[rich aurora]

Scrap is one that's disabled by default for office iirc

[remote quail]

Oh wait yall are talking about the office interior

[rich aurora]

Cause Piggy tried to do custom scrap for the interior and had trouble

[hollow rivet]

Risk level is the letter and danger is calculated by enemy spawns and stuff like that

[pine olive]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-time-lion-king-gif-24467397

[worldly lagoon]

cant you just look at the letters

it aint hard

[rich aurora]

So wait does that mean LLL will correctly calculate Experimentaion's diff

[zenith flax]

nah

ill add it as a config option soon

[rich aurora]

Ahs

[zenith flax]

by default i assign custom levels but i didnt wanna mess with vanilla yet

didn't feel like my place to do that by default

[rich aurora]

Experimentation being B is, odd

[zenith flax]

correct

[rich aurora]

Fair

[hollow rivet]

But it’s better when it puts the moons in order

[zenith flax]

if you sort by difficulty you can see the "right" order

because its sorting by its internal score and not the risk level

[rich aurora]

Gotcha