Lethal Level Loader [Custom Content Loading API]

[unborn cairn]

only problem with LLL right now is that it has some conflicting issues with LE that are slowly getting ironed out

[zenith flax]

LE has some conflicting issues with LLL*

[unborn cairn]

other than that the truth is that it is in fact better that LE

[unborn cairn]

yeah this lol

[marsh shard]

Someone make a converter for LE - LLL

That way we can finally put it down

[zenith flax]

I've thought about it

[unborn cairn]

it also has dungeon creating capabilities which LE doesn't sooo

[south hawk]

I just use LE as custom loot, it's beautiful there and there's a lot of it

And even if this creates problems with LLL, even if I don't have planets from LE

Then I'm sad :с

[marsh shard]

LE is just a mutated mess in the eyes of a Chad LLL user like batby

[zenith flax]

The config stuff is a little buggy i'll admit, there's a lot of annoying limitations around handling that kind of stuff

[zenith flax]

LLL wouldn't exist without LE

LE was built with a lot less time and a lot less pre-existing research on the game

[marsh shard]

Fair but it badly needs a successor

And that's why I think we need some way to convert LE moons

[south hawk]

That's for sure

So I pay tribute to LE

[south hawk]

This is the hardest thing of all

[marsh shard]

I mean values and stuff

[unborn cairn]

this is just some no-coder-knowledge jargon, but would there be a way to use a different system in LLL for .lem files than the lethalbundle files or whatever LLL uses? bringing in LE's .lem files and processing them at the same time as the LLL files but like separately if that makes sense.

i have a feeling it probably doesn't work like that, but if it theoretically could, people with LE moons could just change the dependency to LLL

[zenith flax]

unfortunately it doesn't work like that

LLL uses lethal company's scripts

[unborn cairn]

thought so

[zenith flax]

LE uses HolographicWing's scripts

also LE uses prefab based level injection where as LLL uses scenes directly

[idle ravine]

I think I definitely threw a wrench into everything with SCPCB dungeon, since it was pretty explicitly incompatible with LE but people were generally more interested in new dungeons than new moons

[unborn cairn]

can't blame people tho lol the dungeon is where you spend most of the game

you'd kinda hope there'd be more customisability for it

[idle ravine]

Yeah and LE didn't even have custom dungeons on the plan at the point iirc

[unborn cairn]

the modding scene being held together by sticky tape and gum rn 🙏

[zenith flax]

also for the longest time LE moons weren't like networked fullstop

which was interesting

[unborn cairn]

lol what

[steel crag]

Eject always has worked for me since using AC tbh

Since LLL update, this happens though.

No log either as in interaction, terminal registers it but nothing logs in terms of the function.

[inland jungle]

Had to drop WeatherTweaks again, had too many times with LLL where it was locking during takeoff / landing / seeding and a few times where it trapped me in the terminal (couldn't tab away, etc.) and I had to end the session. As soon as WT was out, all that resolved immediately.

[zenith flax]

log?

[steel crag]

https://tenor.com/view/send-the-logs-send-the-log-files-gif-7419926888397076395

[inland jungle]

earlier in the evening, but I'll reinstall latest weathertweaks to get logs for you

Naturally now it's working fine. Only thing that changed was finally dropping backrooms, so maybe it's just some magic esoteric combo of stuff there. I know it'd been an unusual hang for me though because one of the ones I was getting consistently was -leaving- the company / gordian and never making it back to orbit 🤔 I guess I'll leave WT in again and see if it resurfaces, hopefully ID any issues before next big group night.

[old pebble]

I am untrusting of Backrooms mod

[sullen coral]

I use Backrooms and haven't had issues, though that isn't to say it isn't the cause

[zenith flax]

For context backrooms was made very early

and doesn't use the dungeon system at all

it's programmicly made

[sullen coral]

I also don't have WeatherTweaks mostly because of the uncertain weather mechanic

[inland jungle]

Yeah, I basically ultimately came to the conclusion that while it's novel it's an ongoing potential performance hit and other issues with interiors and our play group is mostly past the novelty of getting whammied and running around for five minutes trying to get out. Since it's not been updated in over two months and seems abandoned, just shelving it.

[sullen coral]

I really don't think landing on a planet and finding out, surprise, its Flooded is very fun

I also use RealBackroomsPatch so Backrooms for me is essentially just a 'second chance to live when you die' mod

[inland jungle]

My presumption is I hit just the right weird combo that backrooms and WT jenga tower toppled somehow, I'd rather not go through the rigmarole of retracing everything I changed tonight from earlier since it seems to be working at the moment, but there's probably some elucidating log issue.

[sullen coral]

Totally valid

I also agree that Backrooms isn't fun overall. I use it because, alongside RealBackroomsPatch, its better than sitting in spectator and being unable to play

Giving you a second chance to live is a fun little thing

While adding a challenge to it

[inland jungle]

on a related note I don't think anyone in our group has ever managed the Diversity mod's bracken chase, I think everyone's always immediately been killed a second time without a chance to run

[sullen coral]

I've never used it so I wouldn't know

Once the next update of RealBackroomsPatch comes out though, Bracken will have a chance to TP you to the backrooms when he attempt to kersnap

[inland jungle]

I just want to figure out what the deal is with LLL & LECore + Vulcan, mostly because that moon is really slick.

[sullen coral]

Haven't tried it

[errant lotus]

I found that this error appears when you want to change the price to Icebound and **devastation **from the GenericMoons4.0 mod made by @elder ether

I also noticed that if you change the price of these moons using other mods, such as AdvancedCompany or LethalQuantities, this price does not change (stays on 0) on the "moons" terminal, therefore, it is not filtered or sorted by price properly.
Likewise, if you write the name of the assigned moons, it will appear to be purchased with the price changed by these mods.

All other moons are priced appropriately and displayed, filtered and sorted correctly.

[zenith flax]

hmm

ok

[inland jungle]

Whoops, forgot HDLethalCompany w/ latest Outpost 31 & LLL is an infinite hang too for some inexplicable reason, so that's this session tanked.

https://ctxt.io/2/AADwPD17EQ pertinent part of log example (this same session had been like four or five other moon runs so the full log is beefy, this can be reproduced reliably though currently)

[mossy trellis]

Wait is LLL 1.1.6 not compatible with mods that had LLL 1.0.7 dependencies?

[steel crag]

all HDLethal does by default is forces the game to run in 1920*1080 and does some scaling to the screen I thought?

[zenith flax]

nah it does other stuff

internally anyway

[steel crag]

Ahhh

[inland jungle]

It's a weird one, because Outpost 31 is the only one this has happened with for me and removing HDLethalCompany resolves it immediately, but I've never had problems with HDLC with any other moons, or pre-LLL Outpost 31

[steel crag]

I wonder what moons get affected altogether, No issue with Atlas for me

[steel crag]

Imma download outpost now and look too

[errant lotus]

And in case you're curious, the other moons that I confirm work and can be configured correctly with AC and LQ are:

LLL Moons

• Egypt
• Ganimedes
• AtlasAbyss
• All of StarlancerMoons (2 moons)

LECore Moons

• All of sfDesatMoons (3 moons)
• All of Wesleys_Moons (7 moons)
• Hydro from Generic_Moons
• Vertigo from Generic_Moons
• Kast

[steel crag]

That's actually interesting.

HDLethal Fog setting and Outposts Fog no likely.

I'm in

So any chance HDlethal changing DXI or FSE?

[inland jungle]

HDLethal's not been updated in a hot minute unfortunately

[steel crag]

I'm using even older tuning and working fine.

HDLethal is accessing DX and Altering FSE.

I only remember this because of the registry entry it makes.

Spammed this for outpost though... Matty

hgehe

It only happens when I stand in one particular spot xD

I can confirm that it access DXi and changing FSE or trying to anyway.

[elder ether]

what

[errant lotus]

Idk why :,]

[elder ether]

probably some compatability issue with LE and LLL

iunno what i would have to do if anything

[errant lotus]

Is strange

cuz the other 2 moons of your pack works and changes ptices correctly

[lament nebula]

You can disable it

[sullen coral]

I use AdvancedCompany to change moon prices and have zero issues, the config seems to have incompatibilities when certain modifications are enabled on certain moons

Like my moon refuses to load entirely if Pizzeria being modified is set to true

[hushed sky]

this is because of the rats being deleted since I have a separate function to get rid of the rats
so it is not a issue will be a fix in future update to resolve the warnings popping up should still allow normal play
also got performance update out so now different segments are culled allowing for more FPS

[soft hearth]

getting this without HDLethalCompany

i think it's when changing config for LE moons via LLL

[autumn turtle]

the new version of LLL dopesn't generate a config file for me, is this on my part ?

[wild wing]

land on a moon first, I've had this problem too yesterday but it generated once I went to a moon

not sure if landing is needed but at least fly to one

[autumn turtle]

thanks !

[pearl orchid]

@flint hollow

I confirmed these mods go back to normal on vanilla moons

Only on LLL moons do they just "break"

And it wasn't just one moon, it was any custom moon

But as soon as you go back to vanilla, all functionality returns to normal (this can all be done within the same game instance)

[flint hollow]

ohh

i think i disabled the teleport for bracken snatch

[pearl orchid]

Ah

[flint hollow]

havent tried touch screen before

[pearl orchid]

It was just funny because we BARELY saved my teammate and then he just teleports back and combust

And we were like ok maybe a fluke then it got our other teammate and well, you know the rest lmao

[zenith flax]

think i found the problem with touch screen

ill get in touch with the dev

(it's not an LLL problem)

[pearl orchid]

Oh sweet

[flint hollow]

how about the snatching tp tho?

[unborn cairn]

wait touch screen what

[pearl orchid]

You know too much!

[unborn cairn]

like literal touch screen compatibility or

[flint hollow]

@pearl orchid 's iphone

[unborn cairn]

PHONE

[pearl orchid]

Yes

[unborn cairn]

insane

[zenith flax]

lets you toggle between players on the ship monitor via what your mouse is hovered over

really neat

[pearl orchid]

It's touch screen on ship monitor
Makes it user-friendly for term players who aren't experienced

[unborn cairn]

oh

[flint hollow]

it should work with TwoMapRadar too right??

[pearl orchid]

Ye

[flint hollow]

like you have one guy on the terminal and one on the main screen for double watchers and double trap and door functions

[pearl orchid]

Specifically compatible with Zaggys version

Can't speak for other on thunderstore

[zenith flax]

https://github.com/TheDeadSnake/LC-Touchscreen/issues/23

theres touch screen down

[tall kindle]

How are you going to do documentation? Make a wiki for it?

[zenith flax]

yeah

[tall kindle]

Thats fair ig

[pearl orchid]

Huzzah
I really want to add Starlancer moons permanently as they're very well done

[zenith flax]

not really a better way to do it

im open to ideas

[pearl orchid]

I would like a paperback version

[zenith flax]

what the fuck is this snatchin bracken code

[pearl orchid]

[unborn cairn]

i would like my game to print paper for every frame

[zenith flax]

out of the respect of other developers i would suggest just not using that mod

[tall kindle]

The only other idea I'd have is turning this LLL thread into the place where you document it (something like locking it) and just using a mod-release thread for when people wanna report bugs or communicate etc from then on, but up to you

[pearl orchid]

That bad?

[flint hollow]

which mod?

[zenith flax]

I've been trying to figure out the best way to handle it

[pearl orchid]

That was to snatching bracken

[tall kindle]

Imo this is "development-resources" so there'd be no other place other than here to have documentation, feedback and support would be on another mod-release thread

[flint hollow]

but the only problem is the teleport tho?

[zenith flax]

ideally I would argue at some point I might end up needing an entire category

[pearl orchid]

That doesn't mean that the internal code could be a "mess"

[zenith flax]

well, a catagory for more specific content creation that i will likely be the lead in

[pearl orchid]

I don't mean mess in a mean way, just not optimal

[tall kindle]

What about a tag to sort threads for what you specifically need?

[flint hollow]

im still using it. as long as we dont get desync

i dont use the tp function anyway

[slim wind]

for every tick update for every AI present

[tall kindle]

If you want you can also create the ideal version of what you want in a personal discord, I can look at it and either create a compromise etc and talk it over with Robin and ctn

[zenith flax]

Mind if I dm you rq

[pearl orchid]

I presume that would be very performance heavy, unnecessarily then

[tall kindle]

My dms are always open

[flint hollow]

wah

[pearl orchid]

I don't know anything about unity Coding but I can put puzzle pieces together

[slim wind]

that's what is under "it's a mess" label

[pearl orchid]

Fuck

Since I'm a stickler for performance, perhaps I put it under a pillow and let it sleep

[flint hollow]

performance.

[pearl orchid]

[flint hollow]

you making Vanilla only mods?

i mean modpack

[tall kindle]

?

[flint hollow]

nothing i accidentally pressed reply

[pearl orchid]

No lol
I just like to keep things optimized and I will cut things if it is deemed necessary
It took me this long to attempt to try custom moons but they aren't in a place I'm satisfied with yet so I will live without for now

My favorite issue from vanilla is the navmesh polygon spam!!!!

I love having my beefy system go to 20FPS

[flint hollow]

performance wise. a lot of mods actually touch fps. like generalimprovements and bodycams. but which one spams the Navmesh one?

[pearl orchid]

That's a vanilla issue

I'd have to dig to find how it occurs but I'm on mobile and mobile discord is a trogolodyte for searching

It would be something zeeker would need to patch iirc

I paraphrased the error name but it's awful

[kindred herald]

what if you did both? derive difficulty value from moon stats like you already do (maybe alter the formula) and then use that to override the letters using your own scale with idk F being the lowest value and SS or S+ the highest. Because like you said the letters don't mean much rn especially when having a lot of different moons and maybe even modified versions of them using LLL config.

[spiral siren]

the navmesh spam can crop up from many sources

[steel crag]

I've suggested to some not to use it atm :S Although I am not 100% on code but you can deffo see the outcomes within the game 😛

[exotic zinc]

Is it normal for LLL moons to only have vanilla scraps listed on them?

Apologies if this has been addressed in the past. I haven't been able to follow up on what has been happening as of late

[arctic matrix]

Anyone knows what the 2,25 in the brackets means?

Is the actual dungeon size 1,5 or 2,25?

This is when using max size 1,5 and scaler 1 in the LLL config. I had to use 1 because with the scaler on 0 it doesn't limit the size at all.

[Info :LethalLevelLoader] CurrentLevel: Egg Carrier DungeonSize Is: 5 | Overrriding DungeonSize To: 1,5 (2,25)

[errant aurora]

..you mean only vanilla scraps even with modded scrap?

[exotic zinc]

yep

at least, it doesn't detect it here

[errant aurora]

idk i thought i didnt have an issue with it, i remember using Cleaning Company with LC Office

i think

[exotic zinc]

For instance, this is for Kast, which is a LethalExpansion moon

It successfully detects all the scrap mods that I have installed

[strange trail]

known issue, although idk how and when its gonna be fixed
I liked one specific reply to this issue that "if you wanna take lethal company seriously just play vanilla and dont bother with modding"

changing the scraplist wont help you either, so maybe batby will do smth about it in future patches

[exotic zinc]

I found out that AdvancedCompany's host config can easily override scrap rarity of custom moons so it's all good I guess

[strange trail]

sounds good but given how many mods advancedcompany is conflicting with not sure if its worth the hassle

[exotic zinc]

Oh it is good in my case. I have no mods that conflict with AC for the longest time

[strange trail]

im jealous

:(

[exotic zinc]

I only have 60 mods (including library mods and dependencies)

well I don't know how people build their friend packs but I usually see like at least 100 mods and I'm like wtf 💀

[strange trail]

you'd be surprised how easy it is to just get to 100 tbh

if you wanna have like a couple cosmetics, few QoL, a few moons, a few interiors, then boom its 100

[exotic zinc]

I don't know, we just get mods that feature QoL, scrap themes, moons, a model replacement collection, some custom SFX for monsters and some stable custom monsters

and for emotes, we just have TME

Interiors, we just have one which is SDM since we don't really need much interior mods

[ornate zinc]

Mines 80 lol

[pearl orchid]

If I could disable that one specific log spam, my life would be complete

It is a menace

[jolly cargo]

Does the moon itself add new items?

[sullen coral]

Question: are there any guides/tutorials for making moons with LLL? I'd like to make one but I don't know where to even start

I know documentation isn't out yet so I'm just curious if anyone else has made any guides, at least basic ones

[inland jungle]

for some reason typing moon names is just immediately responding with simulate results and I need to type route any time I want to actually navigate to a moon again

[earnest turtle]

how do I use the terminal commands for this mod?

I see preview, sort and filter at the bottom, but have no idea how to interact with them.

[steel crag]

cfg

[earnest turtle]

It can only be modified through config?

[steel crag]

Sorting and Filtering yeah there are some commands too for ingame.

[earnest turtle]

I made it work through config

where can I find the ig commands?

so far I found 'all' and 'simulate'

[steel crag]

They're the ones I know about

[mellow flame]

was mods to skip to menu fixed?

[steel crag]

LCfaststartup I think it's called

I'd honestly just recommend having those 3 seconds of animation/boot for sake of it tbh 😛

[mellow flame]

its the online/lan thing

that I get annoyed from

[steel crag]

It's useful I find tbh and kinda satisfying like logging into a computer especially when you get computer splash animation :3

[waxen fog]

for whatever reason these moons are showing up as 0 even tho they are not

asteroid is 0 bht like abandoned manor, devastation, ether are not 0

they only show up as 0 in the preview and sorting, but when going there it does use your credits

[steel crag]

Why y'all gotta throw shade in the weirdest ways xD

[zenith flax]

What mod is that

[steel crag]

The tweaker of intros

Not trying to fuel fire, just think bad show that's all 😛 Might save some time know first instead of you suddenly have people coming in again saying "fix this" "Your mod broke this" etc

@zenith flax Strange to they've left the discord recently 😦

[kindred bramble]

Yeah I just installed the update and went to look at the changes. Saw a quip in the change list.
"v1.4.6 - Improved compatibility with LethalLevelLoader by loading the scene asynchronously if found.
(This is the shittiest "solution" and should be addressed further by LLL.) "

The mod has since been deprecated, is not present on his profile and his github link shows.

Warning

NO LONGER MAINTAINED

Sad I really liked his mod. I am not sure how this escalated, I have seen people on this discord be grouchy, but i feel like if this was slept on all would be fine.

smh

[fallow fern]

?????

Just came here to post about this

I don't get what even happened

did they like cancel IntroTweaks because their mod was incompatible, after applying a bandaid fix?

The mod doesn't even have any mention about being discontinued aside from the depracated tag, its only on github

[strange trail]

yeah the root of the problem is that modding for lethal company advanced too quickly in all directions
a mod came out that supported custom moons in a comprehensible way, many newer mods came out afterwards and none were compatible with that said core mod
instead of fixing the issues on either sides many new core mods came out in response and all are buggy or not compatible with the other so

modding is insanely divided for this game rn

[spiral siren]

@zenith flax I'm seeing an issue that I think is caused by TerminalManager.RunLethalLevelLoaderTerminalEvents(), where the switch command with no noun is overridden by the moons list, would it be reasonable to change the Terminal.RunTerminalEvents hook to use a transpiler injecting before the last return instruction so that it doesn't override the vanilla commands?

[zenith flax]

AH

at one point one more check was removed

big apologies and thank you for letting me know

for context the actual prefix is only meant to return false if that function returns false and currentNode is moonscatalogue

[spiral siren]

ah I see

that'll work too

I was wondering if it was one node or multiple, but that seems fine

[slim wind]

just why?

lmao

[alpine heart]

https://github.com/Owen3H/IntroTweaks/issues/9

it works now if anyone's wondering

[hardy blaze]

I have multiple interior mods set to "all" and they don't show on modded moons for some reason, anyone know of a fix?

[alpine heart]

i don't even know. i just opened an issue when i knew about this because i didn't think LLL would fix this. anyways, they left this server a while back, before this issue came by.

or atleast they weren't here when i knew about this issue

[zenith flax]

Not sure best way to approach the issue above

I did talk to Owen about this a few days ago yes

How LLL processes it's AssetBundles could be improved, but the way it does it is not inherently broken in any state. IntroTweaks previously worked by directly skipping over aspects of the initial game startup which can and did include modded content

[alpine heart]

leave it as is

i've been told LC_FastStartup works fine. is that right?

does it work differently than IntroTweaks?

[zenith flax]

it does indeed yeah

[alpine heart]

or they're all the same and i should just avoid using them to avoid other mods issues

[alpine heart]

alright ty!

[fading wyvern]

i said this before when LLL was first coming out - this is extremely common in modding scenes early on

all mods fire off in their own ways because everyone wants to do their own thing their own way

eventually someone or some team comes along and people stick to that mod, be it an api or a loader or what have you

some people get really mad and feel like they wasted their time and give up

others adapt

been this way for like 20 years

[kindred bramble]

This is common to have multiple modloaders. It is rare for there to be only one. For instance Minecraft has many. Terraria just has T Mod Loader.

[zenith flax]

In this context I directly contexted Owen, explained the problem, asked him to solve it on his side when he could and regardless I would also make an effort to improve my side of things, Really not sure what ended up happening

[slim wind]

it is what it is

[fading wyvern]

sometimes people juat have their own problems outside of the objective reasoning

and it just yeah, it be how it do

its unfortunate

[alpine heart]

i don't think anything happened really. maybe they're just busy with life

[fading wyvern]

best not to speculate

[alpine heart]

yeah

[slim wind]

this is me projecting, but writing Some silly mod devs patch PlayFirstDayShipAnimation to implement their code in changelog suggests something bigger

[zenith flax]

That one isn't me at the very least

[kindred bramble]

It does not provide the menu tweak aspect however.

[fading wyvern]

something else to note - these issues are also common when there isnt an API modders can directly reference

[slim wind]

that one was me #1192426488528642069 message

[fading wyvern]

like from the game curated

so all the mods are gunna step over eachother

[alpine heart]

on the github issue, they said lmk if that helps then they edited it, deleted it, and said it will not be maintained any longer lmao

[fading wyvern]

its basically a wild west out here

[slim wind]

yeah, like you said - everyone wants to the the same thing in different ways

and no one creates the common abstraction layer for these stuff

[alpine heart]

yeah sad

[slim wind]

well, IntroTweaks is open-source, so somebody could just pick it up and continue development

[alpine heart]

true

[kindred bramble]

Question for those that know better. Say I wanted to jump feet first into this without experience and try to fork this mod. How does one Ethically "Fork" a mod?

[kindred bramble]

I have never created mods before but I do like it.

[slim wind]

https://github.com/Owen3H/IntroTweaks/blob/main/LICENSE

[kindred bramble]

Do I have to ask permission first? if he deletes it does my fork dissapear or loose files or, once I fork I possess the files?

[slim wind]

once you fork it's yours

but under the conditions of this license you must use the same license for your own fork

[kindred bramble]

Roger. I will have to read this licence. For now however I will be a great Asset to the Company. 😄

[alpine heart]

question. do you know if LC_FastStartup could break any mod or it always waits for all AssetBundles to load? just making sure

[zenith flax]

they thing introtweaks does/did wrong was it stopped loading some of the initial scenes entirely

LC_FastStartup works becuase i have code so when something requests to load a new scene while im loading bundles, i grab that request, stop it then run it once bundles are finished

[slim wind]

So - if i'm understanding correctly - replacing IntroTweaks' patch with FastStartup one should make it fully compatible?

[kindred bramble]

Are you alowed to apropriate another persons code like that?

[tall kindle]

If intro tweaks just skips scenes, would waiting for bundles to load then skipping the scene work?

[zenith flax]

you dont have to

i do that for you

LLL basically says "yo wait a little sec ok?" and then lets the new scene pass

[slim wind]

Oh, okay

[tall kindle]

All I'm hearing is DOOR STUCK

[slim wind]

I think this is what his fix attempts to do

Oh, i see the difference now: FastStartup loads in prefix, while IntroTweaks does in postfix

but they do the same thing basically

[alpine heart]

sorry guys. i just realized how shitty this issue is and i'm wasting your time when you could focus on more important things

[zenith flax]

introtweaks used to return false on a very early function

[alpine heart]

i mean what would i lose if i don't skip the mode menu. 1 second of my life

[slim wind]

🤔

this is weird

[zenith flax]

https://github.com/Owen3H/IntroTweaks/blob/c230cc0556bb3c78b8402c3e9d986166d27e77c6/Patches/InitializeGamePatch.cs

[slim wind]

getting familiar with new codebase be like

[pearl orchid]

This was quite the read

[zenith flax]

i wonder if it just works if you remove that _runOriginal line

[slim wind]

i'm trying that rn

[pearl orchid]

Modders getting upset and destroying their work is nothing new
I've seen this day in and day out across all platforms,

Like Orespawn from Minecraft where the developer went ||batshit insane, allegedly||

But I won't continue on that can of worms

Good mod,

[slim wind]

LE and LLL moons load normally

but it doesn't skip intros now 😆

[kindred bramble]

haha

[alpine heart]

LLL moons used to get stuck at random seed loading when landing a second time before with that issue

[slim wind]

will try rn

it does not get stuck

[alpine heart]

idk maybe it happened randomly

should i try now with an older version of introtweaks?

[slim wind]

no need

[alpine heart]

i'm using IntroTweaks with LC_FastStartup now 😆

[bronze lantern]

how do i check the interior probabilities, the only command i could figure out was price

[steel crag]

simulate MOONNAME

[bronze lantern]

thanks

[steel crag]

You're welcome 😄

[wild wing]

Somehow doesnt work when you re-host a game tho
(Did not test this in detail but it's somehow correlated to rehosting or something)
Its then executing a prompt without the simulate keyword basically where you fly to the moon

[fallow fern]

On a scale from tough to impossible, how hard would it be to make a mod that'd merge interiors?

Like you get halfway through Bunker and open a door and it leads to Dungeon

Ignoring whether the transitions looked good, and just making it generate and be traversable

[marsh shard]

Easyish it's called archtypes

[plucky gull]

hey, can I just type all in this config or is there any other way to make it apply to all mods without having to enter them manually?

[arctic matrix]

in the dynamic level tags do Vanilla:300,Custom:300

[wanton oasis]

Been a while since I checked in; how we looking on documentation? 👁️

[flint hollow]

is it just me or i cant sort the moon by prices after my crew gets wiped out

i got killed by a bracken and my crew died from meltdown

[jolly cargo]

Does LLL intentionally cause certain indoor enemies to spawn outside on purpose, somebody in my thread reported outdoor spiders and boombas for no reason

[calm eagle]

If LLL generates a config for a moon created with it, the config is set to the defaults of that particular moon. If enemies are spawning where they normally wouldn't, it would be either the moon maker, a different mod entirely, or the player setting the configs themselves, but LLL doesn't touch spawns like that on its own.

[jolly cargo]

In both these instances the moon does not contain those enemies in the outside pool, only the indoor

[calm eagle]

Not sure if it's already been brought up, but would there be a way to prevent the same level from generating multiple times in the config?

[sullen coral]

This sounds like a mod conflict as it isn't something I've experienced

[jolly cargo]

I think that happens when you add more interiors or moons without resetting the config

[flint hollow]

i think you need to manually adjust their weight

some has high to almost guaranteed

i put mine almost 25% always

like 100/9999 or something like 75/300 depends on the base

[blissful holly]

okay so my friends and i are trying to debug and test a modpack before doing a big multiplayer lobby right
generally things have been working fine however there has been one big issue
strange desyncs relating to the spawn weights on custom moons with custom interiors
as one example, there were three of us landing on budapest
2 of them (one of which being the host) got the correct interior, being the hospital interior
however, i got bunker, and ended up repeatedly falling through the floor
now usually we'd just go into the config and screw with things til it worked
but the weird part is that in the lethallevelloader config, budapest is specifically set to have a ZERO percent chance of having bunker as an interior
so we're completely puzzled
it's possible this isn't a lethallevelloader issue but given that lethallevelloader is how we've configured the interior spawn chances, we're starting here

below i'll throw in both the mod list (typed out manually in a text file) along with the LLL config file
if anyone knows anything or is willing to help that would be absolutely amazing
thanks!

[zenith flax]

are your configs synced

[blissful holly]

the configs are the exact same yes

or at least by all accounts should be
we're all using the same r2modman code, and checking the spawn weights they were all identical

[zenith flax]

any chance you have that one late company setting on that lets you join mid-planet?

[blissful holly]

i'll check that rq

[low rapids]

can someone help me get my interior mod ingame with lethal level loader?

[still urchin]

Hello, @low rapids, we have a dedicated support channel and forum here: #help-and-troubleshooting #1185732310700654732
Anyone responding is a volunteer so be patient.

[blissful holly]

would be odd if that was the cause since we all landed at the same time, but who knows

modding games is wacky

nope, not enabled

[jolly cargo]

I'm thinking that the issue with the spawn config may be the same issue with interior weights, LLL does not set things not listed by it to 0, you need to manually put say Bracken:0 in the outdoor config for it to not appear

You can see in the log that the Shy Guy spawned in while i was on Atlas Abyss, it is in none of the list

[zenith flax]

has this occured with vanilla enemies in 1.1.0.6?

[jolly cargo]

I don't think I've played much in this version yet, playing right now, in .5 at least there were brackens, spiders, crawlers, etc outside

[zenith flax]

i will look into this when i have time

[jolly cargo]

danke

[mellow flame]

how do you do the percentages thing for dungeons

where you can see there percent

[zenith flax]

can you be more specific

[mellow flame]

I rememeber there being a setting like
simulate dungeon flow
which shows in game terminal percent chance for what interiors will spawn on spefific moon

[zenith flax]

yeah

[flint hollow]

can i request something for LLL?

can we have a base scrap and base dungeon size multiplier that works on all moons and dungeons without manually changing each and one of them?

was using coomfy dungeons and after updating the new mods like LLL and the new moons and interiors. it makes all the dungeons like 300% in size. i cannot even find the exit. also, because the dungeons are so large now with it, they kinda eat some of my fps.

btw when i say large. i changed the time so its 25 minutes per game. 20 minutes of getting lost

[jolly cargo]

Can't you just enable the size override and set the max size lower then use the setting under it to cap it at max?

[flint hollow]

for coomfy?

[jolly cargo]

nah in the LLL config

[flint hollow]

this one?

[jolly cargo]

these

[flint hollow]

but that means ill have to adjust each and every single one tho

it goes down more btw

[flint hollow]

it will take a long time to do that

does it also reset when i update the moons and dungeon?

i do know it does sometimes reset on update

i mean. people are still making more moons and interiors

ill eventually end up having difficulty checking each and every one's settings

[jolly cargo]

sometimes? I notice the list is shifted when ??? so you can have a moon or interior and later you will look and there are 3 and 2 of them don't do anything and the values you put in are still in the first so you have to copy paste them all

[flint hollow]

so i just need to adjust the ones for dungeons only?

also what is shifted?

if its just dungeon. i think i can still manually change them since we dont have a lot released yet since the other ones are still WIP.

tho i just need to remember this every time i clean my mod profile

since i do download everything from scratch when i get some type of errors that i cant remove. just did that like a week ago due to some files that were not getting removed and still showing on the logs. like some old audio from old audio mods still in the files after uninstalling them.

at most it takes 6 hours for 150 mods plus making them config compatible

[mellow flame]

im asking how do you do it?

[zenith flax]

        internal static string GetSimulationDataText(int rarity, int totalRarity)
        {
            string returnString = string.Empty;
            if (Settings.levelSimulateInfoType == SimulateInfoType.Percentage)
                returnString = (((float)rarity / (float)totalRarity * 100).ToString("F2") + "%");
            else if (Settings.levelSimulateInfoType == SimulateInfoType.Rarity)
                returnString = (rarity + " // " + totalRarity);
            return (returnString);
        }

https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/blob/main/LethalLevelLoader/Patches/TerminalManager.cs
@mellow flame

the "F2" is just a syntax thing to make it only get the first couple numbers from the float

[mellow flame]

huh

I mean in game command, like what is it to show the percentages

[zenith flax]

oh lmao

thats why i asked what you meant 😛

simulate [planetname]

[mellow flame]

sorry I am not a mod devoloper

[zenith flax]

same as route

[mellow flame]

oh

ok thank you really appreciate it

[mellow flame]

btw how are you liking the new r2modman ipdate

if u you use it

[zenith flax]

i dont

[jolly cargo]

the one moon/interior

[flint hollow]

tho. please.. can we have a multiplier override that works on dungeon/moon scrap limit spawn and dungeon size multiplier for over all rather than manually changing each individual?

[zenith flax]

likely yes

[flint hollow]

thank you

i dont think i would be able to manually adjust scraps spawn cap and dungeon size

for each one

i think i did this to AC before. i dont know how many hours it took me to manually adjust each. and we didnt have a lot of moons and interiors yet. now we have a lot

and more coming

[flint hollow]

also sorry. im confused.

you mean which one is being affected by Coomfy dungeons and ends up being massive?

i did Triskelion + scarlet mansion and got lost inside the entire round while dealing with the knights...

locked them up in the small rooms but the bracken wasnt having it

Outpost31 + bunker interior was the same. was so lost.. i was going in circles and kept going each stairs going up or down and still cannot find even a mimic fire exit

[jolly cargo]

real vs fake

[flint hollow]

oh mine is jus one

thats also why i said i occasionally delete and download every mod from scratch

oh wait. more like i make a new profile and download everything from scratch from a clean slate

but after updating something. they tend to go like that

oh now i see the other fakes

[flint hollow]

how will i know which one is Real XD

[jolly cargo]

the fake one won't have any text and you will be able to freely type into it

[spare bear]

LethalLevelLoader 1.1.3 (1.1.5, 1.1.6 does not work), wanted for custom balancing of moons
LethalExpantionCore (LE itself disabled), needed for modded moons
(~3 dozen other mods that really shouldn't impact the problem I face)

Problem: Day Speed Multiplier also affecting days spent on a moon
EX: 2x longer day (.5 Speed multiplier) also spends 2 days (3 days till deadline to 1 day)
As I rather my friends explore the entire map of Simpsons Hit and Run, I can't exactly afford the game ending because the moon actually costs 5 days

Men, Women, and Others of the LLL thread, those who are far more experienced and wiser than me, please tell me if there's a way/mod to fix this

[mellow flame]

getting werid desync issues

in weather

my friend says egpyt is ecplised

[zenith flax]

Yeah the weather thing is odd, no one has been able to tell me anything consistent about it

and LLL 1.1.0 dropped around same time as a adv company and more company update

config stuff i am looking into overall

it's just really hard and finnicky and shit tbh

[jolly cargo]

yeah this mod is hard to manage as there is a lot of variables at play so consistency is hard to get

[zenith flax]

its also like

while i totally don't mind working on config stuff since thats the demand

i could spent weeks implementing everything people have asked config wise

gotta try and spread my time out in other ways

[flint hollow]

btw. i cannot set the preview to both weather and price?

[trail harbor]

You gotta do "preview all" iirc. There's no options for mix and match preview

[brave ore]

As this been fixed ? I had the same issue with my friends

[wild wing]

I only have the weather desync once at the start when hosting a game. Yesterday all 3 of my mates had a foggy weather on march while I had clear weather. So they had it synced together but mine - the hos - was a different one. But only on our first landing during the session

I'm pretty sure its LLL too since I didnt have that problem before 1.1.x

[full harbor]

If you only want weather and price you can use the TerminalFormatter mod. There is a toggle for showing difficulty, so you can do "preview all" and keep difficulty disabled.

[kindred bramble]

@zenith flax

???
Can it not be fixed?

[zenith flax]

No it can

They're aware of the issue

[kindred bramble]

They are just not fixing it?

rofl

[zenith flax]

They can elaborate in a way they would prefer using the methods of communicating the above change if they would like

Otherwise, I've talked to them about it

I'm comfortable with the way LLL handles things currently in this context

[kindred bramble]

Message recieved.

Just so I am aware of what to expect in my modpack. What is the issue that is caused? What should I expect to see?

[zenith flax]

From what I understand it just explodes in general somewhat

[vast phoenix]

where should I start for LLL? I've gotten past the making a test project to see if it loads so what do I do now?

[kindred bramble]

What?

[zenith flax]

Currently working on documentation and tooling for that question as we speak

[zenith flax]

It just likely doesn't work

LECORE does, but some mods are updating to LE versions past LECORE

[kindred bramble]

ahhh

[vast phoenix]

oh! that's good to hear! I'll keep an eye on it in that case

[kindred bramble]

so unless LE Core updates to provide compatibility then we are SOL unless LE itself becomes copatible.

[zenith flax]

I don't believe LE has a future in which it is compatible unless someone decides to make a PR

[kindred bramble]

PR?

[zenith flax]

pull requestr

[zenith flax]

This week i've been getting myself comfortable with Unity custom editor windows to create validation tools for custom levels and dungeons

so the wise computer tells you what's wrong rather than hunting down specific lines in a document

[kindred bramble]

Thats cool.

Oh also! This mod fixes weather Desync. I remember you not being able to find the exact cause for the weather being unstable. However a look at this might give you a hint. It seems to have hit the right nail on the head.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/WeatherTweaks/

[zenith flax]

Interesting

Thank you

[livid rover]

I'd also love a preview option for price & weather but excluding difficulty lvl!

any does anyone know a way to disable Devastation without it breaking the moon terminal? 🤔

[tall kindle]

lets hope this works, my weather is desynced rn lol

[kindred bramble]

Yeah I am very happy with it. I played a few games with the guys and it worked out of the box.

[tall kindle]

i mean it also gave me this error

and now im hard locked, started the ship and its not letting me properly leave the moon lol

yeah ima need to clean my mods in a bit, so many errors

[slim wind]

Can you send me the logs (and your modlist/profile code)? 🥺

[tall kindle]

if it happens again ill be able to send logs but i kinda restarted hte game so logs got overwritten i believe, code is 018db6db-1696-d5ae-af9f-fe77a9804d3f

[kindred bramble]

@slim wind Thank you so much for the weather fix!

https://tenor.com/view/you-own-me-gif-20447005

[slim wind]

i'm gonna look into it

[kindred bramble]

I am going to look at your profile too. hehehehe

[violet finch]

just curious, is it possible that the random seed softlock and unable to join problems is caused by LLL?

[kindred bramble]

If you alter the config in my experience yes

[violet finch]

because it seems to be about as much as a common bug as the moons command not working

[tall kindle]

ty

[violet finch]

i dont touch LLL configs, i use LE though

[kindred bramble]

Are you using LE Core?

[violet finch]

ye

[kindred bramble]

Are you using HD Lethal company?

It has been known to cause softlocks.

Using LCUltraWide is less problematic.

[violet finch]

tbf, i did use HDLC, but these problems came up before that

[wild wing]

Idk if this will be a problem in any way (it's only warnings) but when hosting a game I get this when the lobby starts:

[kindred bramble]

Some of the problems are loading maps that are not yet updated for the new LLL version. I had seen recently that some of them were having errors.

[flint hollow]

@tall kindle the WeatherTweaks not working for you?

[tall kindle]

it works but theres problems

[flint hollow]

what problems ?

i was going to try that tweaks too

[wild wing]

with debug level logging activated for more context:

[kindred bramble]

@tall kindle
I reccomend General Improvements. It will help squash down your mod list a bit as you have some mods that this mod covers. It is also regularly updated.

Weather Multipliers only applies to Vanilla Moons and Interiors as far as I know.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/ShaosilGaming/GeneralImprovements/

Also go through your list and click the Associated button to see if you have any mods sitting around not being used for anything. For example you have Terminal API, however it is not being used as a dependency for any other mods.

[tall kindle]

ill check it out ig

[slim wind]

I've pushed v0.4.4, which should fix your issue - please check if it works 😅

[tall kindle]

It'll be a week before I can test it soz xd

[arctic matrix]

I did this with LC_API because it isn't associated with anything but from the console it looks like a lot of mods won't load if it's not present

[slim wind]

Hey, sorry for that - it should now be fixed.

[slim wind]

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherTweaks/wiki/Configuration#1-uncertain-weather

[kindred bramble]

interesting.

[kindred bramble]

You can turn it off

[waxen fog]

Anybody experience this?

[old pebble]

can someone give me the rundown rq of mods that are currently incompatible with LLL? trying to build my modpack and LLL is the focus

[alpine heart]

you mean dungeons and moons?

[old pebble]

kinda just in general, for example I hear some moons display the wrong prices, weather is desynced, etc

[alpine heart]

if you want most, if not all, LLL dungeons and moons i'll send them. they're what i use

i think these are most, if not all

first screenshot is dungeons, second is moons

[old pebble]

some of my favorite moons still use LE or LEcore, are those incompatible

[alpine heart]

honestly idk i'm not up to date with LE news since i stopped using it since it has compatibility issues

but LE has many great moons. i love wesley's moons but i just don't want to use LE

[old pebble]

sfDesat's moons are cool too, loved Aquatis

[alpine heart]

yeah they're very good

oh and also, there are some mods that are still not available on thunderstore but they're on github

for example, https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1182523433221902376. it's really really good. it features a moon with custom interior.

i'm just waiting on thunderstore release

[trail harbor]

LeCore moons should be mostly compatible, but they might show the wrong price in the moons menu. Also you can't change the interiors of LeCore moons

[alpine heart]

so only vanilla interior?

[trail harbor]

Correct, LethalExpansion does not allow for custom interiors

That's the main point of LethalLevelLoader

[alpine heart]

custom interiors used to work with LECore. i used to use them together but not anymore

compatibility has worsened over time? 😅

[trail harbor]

I'm not the best to answer time related questions since I started playing Lethal Company 3 weeks ago lol. There's a lot of stuff I don't know. I'm pretty sure you can't use LLL custom interiors with LECore moons. But you can have both co-exist in a modpack.

[alpine heart]

hmmm weird

[alpine heart]

i just realized you made outpost lmao

[old pebble]

hi lol

i was working on outpost non-stop earlier this week and then i got severely sick for a few days that i couldn't even use my pc so I'm a little out of the loop with the mod scene rn

rn just trying to build a stable modpack for my friends

[fallow fern]

This has worked for me for a long time

Are you sure it broke with the new LLL?

[trail harbor]

Well it did not work for me when I tried it, but no I'm really not sure. Especially since everyone says it works haha

[wild wing]

I'm getting poolrooms interior on polarus/atlantica so I guess it works

[alpine heart]

shit. i hope you're doing a lot better now

[old pebble]

does "skipstartupscreen" in GeneralImprovements work with LLL

I know there were some mods that didn't work with skipping it and some that did

[jolly cargo]

batby are you looking into scrap inconsistencies? if i have a moon with 4000-5000 scrap value and 40-50 scrap it shouldn't have 13 scrap worth 967 on it

[spare pecan]

It's always have been compatible with LECore, it isn't with LE alone

Not 100% compatible, but it has, I did it

And still do actually

[gaunt coyote]

How do you guys get LLL version to force to be the newest version in a modpack? I've got a few interiors that are overwriting to a previous version and I'm pulling my hair out. The newest version needs to come with the pack without having to update after initial download. I've tried forcing the LLL version at the bottom of manifest, now trying to test with it listed at the top of the manifest

[steel crag]

Just make sure you got LEC installed. 😛

[spare pecan]

Got a mix of LECore and LLL moons, and custom interiors using LLL and it works all fine

[alpine heart]

asked the same question. got no answer

[gaunt coyote]

Yes, yes it does work

[old pebble]

seems to work just fine after i tested

just wanted to make sure, its hard to keep up with what works and what doesn't right now

[alpine heart]

did you try landing multiple times?

because with introtweaks, the game gets stuck at seed loading screen after landing a second time or a few times idk

but it works on the first land

[old pebble]

yeah i'm not using introtweaks tho

just generalimprovements

[alpine heart]

yeah just making sure that you tried multiple landings

well, good to know

[spare pecan]

Yeah that's right, sometimes some bugs fix themselves after a first / second landing

Weirdly enough

And seem to never appear again

[remote quail]

is LLL stable enough to update to the latest version?

i've stayed in v1.0.7, and i waited for updates after 1.1.4, since that version had a lot of bugs

and i'm unsure if LLL is at a point now where i can update it without there being any massive hinderances/bugs during gameplay

occasionally looking at this thread i keep seeing stuff a bout LECore and LLL together

so i'm unsure if the update made bugs/incompats between each other

[gaunt coyote]

with latest version seems to be working great but I'd test in a new profile, some mods may need to be swapped around

[zenith flax]

just letting yall know i've read all the messages above

[jolly cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/good-yes-emperor-palpatine-star-wars-excellent-gif-16144278

[calm eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/harry-harrypotter-hp-read-cantread-gif-5775512

[jolly cargo]

in LLL config, would the name in quotation marks be the enemies name?

[jolly cargo]

actually hmm I vaguely remember having the same issue with interior config but I could directly test that with simulate

I noticed that moons will default to like 300? or so for modded interiors so I have to manually give them a weight of 1 and make every interior I do want there like 10 or 100 times higher so its only like a .2% chance to get the one

so again its hard to test but it may be possible to manually fix enemy spawns by having all enemies be in all pools but set ones that should be there to 1 and make everything else higher like
MouthDog:3000,ForestGiant:1500,Bracken:1,Spring:1,blob:1,etc

that my guess whats happening at least

[jade dawn]

i am having issues with loading custom moons bruh

[zenith flax]

It's a LethalExpansion issue unfortunately

[jade dawn]

o

wat do i do about that

im slightly confuse

[zenith flax]

Not much you can do

[jade dawn]

will it solve itself by removing the methalexpansion

[zenith flax]

it would but doing so would stop certain custom moons from working

[jade dawn]

fawk

okay so lethalexpansion is the one that uses .lem files righ

[zenith flax]

yes

[wild wing]

Use lethalexpansion core

[jade dawn]

ahh

[zenith flax]

not compatible with some moons

[wild wing]

Yeah but much better than LE itself

[zenith flax]

yeah but like

some le moons cannot be used with it period

[jade dawn]

can yoou send me the link to lethalexpansion core

nvm

w ith the lethan expansion do i put all the files in plugins?

[iron quiver]

I think 3/4 of my moons are LECore and they all work very well with custom interiors. I haven’t played today tho, idk if something changed?

[iron quiver]

Do you have any examples?

[spare pecan]

Nope still works nothing changed

[trail harbor]

No, I probably just tested with one that didn't work 😅. Can you name drop a few ones you use?

[waxen fog]

anybody?

[granite sundial]

you can turn off the uncertainty that's why i like it

[sullen coral]

Okay okay I've been told this like 8 times now

[granite sundial]

oh sorry

[sullen coral]

All good

[fallow fern]

I've noticed with a large amount of moons installed not all of them can display on the terminal

does it have some sort of maximum values it can output?

[zenith flax]

it shouldn't

[waxen fog]

@zenith flax is this a LE issue?

[zenith flax]

probably yeah

😔

[unborn cairn]

there being more dungeons than moons is pretty funny

[lofty kettle]

I was using the mod for a long time and after using it a few times I noticed a bug that duplicates moons in the settings (the ones that have been duplicated frequently are "secret labs" and "atlas abyss") and after duplicating it messes up the moons settings (I get the feeling that it goes through the settings to the next moon). I thought it was because of specific moons but after leaving for a long time the functional moons also doubled

[fallow fern]

Looks like this was an issue with TerminalFormatter, which was failing to do any formatting but also truncating the moons list

Apparently fixed now :)

[zenith flax]

been detoring on the documentation/editor last couple days but gonna pivot back and drop a small update soonish

[slim wind]

So the issue was actually with NumberlessPlanetName

foreach (ExtendedLevel extendedLevel in extendedLevelGroup.extendedLevelsList)
                    returnString += "* " + extendedLevel.NumberlessPlanetName + " " + GetExtendedLevelPreviewInfo(extendedLevel) + "\n";
                returnString += "\n";

[zenith flax]

whats up with it?

[slim wind]

Christmas Village and some other moons had null value

[zenith flax]

what

which other moons

[patent schooner]

can someone tell me what this is

what is its significance of true or false . ,.

[slim wind]

nevermind, i've mixed up two issues

it's all working properly

[Warning:TerminalFormatter] Planet Christmas Village No Time (Event) numberless name is the same as the planet name

i've had too many if statements 🥹

[zenith flax]

bet

was very concerned lmao

numberlessplanetname is legit just like some linq thing that skips to the first letter, removes white space and .'s etc

like a sanitized presentable variant

its a getter so i was really concerned if it was coming null 😭

[slim wind]

my issue before was: i've tried to do String.Substring with 5 - String.length and it threw errors (how surprising)

and I've replaced NumberlessName with planetName and forgot to change it back 😅

sorry for the heart attack

it was entirely my fault

[pearl orchid]

Is there any compatibility issues with LEC for scrap only and LLL?

I have 1 scrap mod that uses LEC and if I have to toss it then I will

[zenith flax]

i don’t know to be honest

[pearl orchid]

No worries at all

[zenith flax]

Time researching LE related stuff can be a tough decision because I gotta pick between doing that and doing other stuff

[pearl orchid]

Yeah, makes sense
Especially whether or not it's worth while if the mod is going to be deprecated

[west knoll]

Is there any fix to the custom interiors (particularly Scoop) not working properly with LLL

Besides using an older version, because that still doesn't fix it

[strange trail]

man, the scrap issue isnt about lethal expansion lmao

it still isnt

LLL moons do not load lethallib scraps either

even if lethal expansion and/or LECore is disabled

idk how can we even provide logs to help as the scrap pool cannot be overwritten still in config, it ignores changes to LLL moons

funnily enough modifying scrap pool of LE moons through LLL config works

[strange trail]

secret labs, egypt, atlas abyss at least don't load any modded scrap or enemies for that matter

Rolling Giant mod is a perfect example where the mod tries to add it's enemy into every moon's outside enemy spawn list with a 5 weighted chance, and it succeeds to do so except for LLL moons

but if only 5 people experience this issue then idk whats going on
probably some mod that we don't know about directly breaks LLL without throwing errors

[arctic matrix]

yesterday I've played Secret Labs with rolling giants and a week before I've posted a screenshot of Shy Guy spawning there as well

and I can check the vod for what kind of scraps we got

at minimum herobrine and its redstone torch but I cba skimming through the whole thing right now

[strange trail]

I guess an external mod that we dont know about really is overwriting LLL configs, but I'll definitely wont search which mod is it from the 60 I use

[old pebble]

So I can report some findings that I'm sure many of you might already know about

Played with my friends last night in a new modpack I made that used LLL and LEcore

Almost every time we went to a LEcore / LE moon we would have a terrible desync across all players that would result in the day never wrapping up and us having to relaunch the file

Weather desync wasn't an issue because we installed WeatherTweaks

But this was really bad, like my friends watching each other get eaten by something but all of us were alive and made it back to the ship, but unable to see each other

A common issue we also had was enemies hitching a ride on the ship across multiple moons including the company moon

Which was weird, no idea what was causing that. We had to install EnemyFix to force despawning them

This last one was an issue we were getting before including LEcore moons and just had LLL

[alpine heart]

For the LE issue, if i were you, i would just not use LE and wait for moons to switch to LLL honestly.

And i might have had the same “enemies not despawning” issue, not sure tho

And idk what’s causing it

I can’t confirm if it was enemies not de spawning honestly you can see here why https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1208526926915051620

[alpine heart]

I also installed EnemyFix and couldn’t reproduce this issue i had

Why i think “enemies not despawning” was the issue is because i spawned many masked enemies and that fucked the fps and then i started the ship and the fps was still fucked up in orbit. This, i couldn’t reproduce with EnemyFix

[old pebble]

we brought mouthdogs back to the compnay moon lol

[chrome notch]

that was also happening to us last night, which is very strange because we've literally never encountered that issue before

[strange trail]

@zenith flax RefreshExtendedLevelGroups is erroring out, NRE when typing "moons" into terminal

was using morecompany, was using lecore, 2 player lobby

[arctic matrix]

try deleting LLL config or at least all custom moons from it. when you add a new moon or remove one, LLL seems to commit sudoku by duplicating the custom moon config entries which breaks the simulate command but I wouldn't be surprised if it potentially also broke the moons command

[strange trail]

it was a freshly generated config

[daring rivet]

is the switch command fixed yet?

[chilly perch]

Hi, do u have issues with turrets/mine spawning with Lethal Level Loader ? I can't see a single one

[fallow fern]

anyone know if the issue with reopening a lobby causing LE moons to not load anymore is still a thing?

[steel crag]

If you can even get into an LE moon yeah, it really doesn't work all too well - I've had minimal issues though with LEC moons (Wesley's)

Note LE and LLL are not compatible, this is also stated on LE's page now.

[old pebble]

I have LEC

[steel crag]

Is LE still present though?

[old pebble]

yeah but doesn't LEC override it wherever possible

[steel crag]

It don't matter I found, LE anywhere near your pack it wont work. LEC also is using outdated fork - LE has been updated multiple times since.

I spent about a week trying to work it out and even when it's not awake, it being in the pack just causes so many problems which made 0 sense but it seems to be a thing.

I'ved helped handful of people with packs and soon as they remade their packs without LE, problems went away - especially softlocks and desync. (Even MC/BiggerLobby Packs) which I was suprised by.

[old pebble]

could you help me optimize my pack?

[steel crag]

Don't have LE near your pack and minimise on networking mods, having to many causes so many issues on different levels.

Like have 5 chefs in one kitchen sort of thing :S

[fallow fern]

Will removing LECore cause moons that use LE specifically to stop working?

[steel crag]

LECore is fine to have it's LE you need to keep away. Although LE standalone works fine but soon as LLL and LE are near each other with other network api's it's havoc.

I use LEC just for Wesley Moons, Lithal Lib for Scrap and LLL for other moons/interior.

[fallow fern]

Right

what I mean is if i have a moon like Kast that relies on LethalExpansion specifically, would it break if using only Core?

[steel crag]

I dunno because I had troubles trying to get orion working with LEC with LLL present.

[zenith flax]

nothing about anything is related to each others network api

LE has fundemental problems that it would need to fix to be compatible

[steel crag]

The desync along having LE? 100% it does. What ever LE is doing is causing quite a bit a funk, I wish there was some way I could show but almost anyone using LE with anything else is always complaining about Desync/Softlocks and Disconnection. 😛

[zenith flax]

Yes but that's a LE problem, not a LE x LLL problem

[steel crag]

I mean LE x Anything problem 😛 LE is the problem I am saying 😛

Even LE with AC causes havoc.

[fallow fern]

Apparently people using my modpack with LE, LECore, and LLL haven't had any desync issues even on moons that depend on LE specifically

[steel crag]

LE with Bigger lobbies is nuts desync

[steel crag]

What lobby solution you using?

[fallow fern]

Advanced Company

[steel crag]

LE and AC with playing around I saw huge desync in weather and mainly severe enemy positioning or existing in in multiple instances which happens in vanilla but this was something else.

[fallow fern]

weird

were you unable to load into any moons with LE + LLL (on the first lobby of the session)?

[steel crag]

Even landmines that would not blow up or turrets that would detect you but would with others.

[steel crag]

Yeah exactly this too, lobby would lock up

[fallow fern]

I think that's a current LE issue when using LLL, but it doesn't happen on the first hosted lobby of the session

[fallow fern]

You can use WeatherTweaks to fix weather desync

it adds a few things like uncertain predictions which can be disabled

I have a modpack that currently uses a very recent version of LE, and the latest LECore and LLL, so mostly I'm trying to figure out if this is an unavoidable problem I need to nuke LE for. Main issue is a few of the moons list LE as a dependency so even if I remove it from my pack they'll auto install it

so I'm hoping LECore will make things stable enough to not have to remove all the LE moons

[steel crag]

I just hope what Batby said, LE does something along the limes to open up more compatibility although probs don't help they dropping support for it unless someone takes it on?

or they supporting it till someone takes it on?

[fallow fern]

I hope so too

but I have no idea what the situation is

I keep hearing its getting discontinued but it keeps getting updates

[steel crag]

It's very confusing because they have been doing updates like you said, especially compat updates.

This problem is more recent so maybe they are hopefully working something out before it comes to that 😄

[mellow flame]

any progress on the weather desync issue

[errant aurora]

dude

new updates

and he still cant even fix the eject command

whyyyy

i wanna eject

[fading wyvern]

why dont you fix it then

be grateful for the tens of hours a day batby puts into this stuff for free

and how much shit he fixes incredibly fast while adding new features

[mellow flame]

is le core thr issue eith weather desync

also sosmtimes when i try to land the moom

it just doesent

nothing happens

nothijg in the log

[fallow fern]

I think so? You can use WeatherTweaks to fix it

[fallow fern]

This happens to me when I reopen a lobby. If you need to close and reopen the lobby as a host just reopen the game instead

If you still have issues after that, definitely report it here

With a log preferably

[chilly light]

Has someone mentioned already that moons that have apostrophies in their names seem to break the mod in some way?

[zenith flax]

Still? 1.1.6?

[zenith flax]

I can fix the eject command, and fairly soon. it's just a balance of my time

[chilly light]

I wont lie im passing this on from someone elses message, so I havent tried it personally,

I tend to pop into these forums for a mod before I download them and read 3rd party people complaining in Dafi's mega moon pack that LLL has problems with the "Peach's Castle" and "Bowser's Castle" moons cuz of the '

but maybe its fixed now

[zenith flax]

Sometimes theres 60 things that take an hour each to complete and sometimes theres 1 thing that takes 60 hours to complete and i gotta make descisions on when to knockout the small things and when to chew into the big things

[zenith flax]

should be fixed now, problem was caused on LE's end but i fixed it on my end

[chilly light]

Totally valid my guy, probably not even worth responding to people who make complaints like that, it feels like it was made in bad faith

[chilly light]

ill give it a looksee

[errant aurora]

oh, awesome..

[chilly light]

yup myb the apostraphie moons seem allg

[strange trail]

is this known issue?

[true void]

this is just my opinion, but I think terminal related code should be disabled by default and can be enabled in config
In particular there seems to be a problem with some translation mods where translations are overwritten.
I don't know the details, its just my opinion

[zenith flax]

fair, although i can't think of anything i do that should mess with something like that

i'd love to know more about it because regardless of a config option i would like to fix that

Are those planet names translating correctly? From how i see that image it’s the top text that isn’t translating right @true void

[true void]

everything is working fine except the description and company building have been changed to english

[zenith flax]

yeah really odd

Where i set the planet text is literally same function that i set the top text

If there’s anyone who can tell me more about why that might be happening im very down to peep it

[true void]

korean translation came out when LC was just released and it's done by modifying the assets directly.
this is probably because this thingy has been edited

due to the nature of the korean, there is a problem that using an auto translator feels unnatural so the method of modifying assets is used as is

[zenith flax]

Ohhh

hm

ok i can get that fixed on my side then

[iron quiver]

Batby doing god’s work as always 🔥

[gusty onyx]

Would it be better to use LLL configurations for moons n’ stuff? I use AC’s preset for enemy spawns.

Or should I use the mods own cfgs to determine their spawns? Like for all the interiors I’m using their cfgs but not LLL to determine those.

[waxen fog]

has simulate been removed?

also I can’t filter, preview, or sort through the terminal anymore

[mellow flame]

I needed to restart lobby to fix it :/
but eventually it happens again 2 issues can happen, both of which I need to restart

1. I click start ship and literally nothing happens, were still in the ship, no generating seed or anything
2. it gets to generating seed, but it just is stuck on generating seed

[mellow flame]

how do I use weather tweaks

this was a long play session soo

might take a while to read

also when one of those issues happened where nothing happened, nothing in console, there was an error in console but I forgot what is said

[fallow fern]

Just install it. You can disable the unpredictable weather forecasts (for instance, it may say "Stormy?" which has a chance to be something else, or a "(Flooded/Rainy)" which would be a 50/50 chance for either

I like them so I keep them on

[mellow flame]

bet

[mellow flame]

what about the issue where the ship doesent land

[mellow flame]

also how do I disable the weight stuff for weather tweaks

[young acorn]

LLL seems to be a big fan of duplicating my settings

[arctic matrix]

yea I had to have GPT make me a powershell script to delete all custom moons from the config because I didn't want to delete the whole config every time I needed to add or remove a moon (which is what triggers this to happen)

[young acorn]

you can just, go into the config and remove the custom level section manually

[arctic matrix]

I had 50 custom moons when I made the script so I guess it was still a time save compared to scrolling until I find the beginning and the end

because I used it a lot of times since then

[young acorn]

eh

[patent schooner]

Did you land and leave a moon mid-run? (Left with the game telling you "progress will not be saved if you do this")

If you land, and then leave at any point being on the moon - if you host without leaving the game and loading it back up, you'll not have the ability to preview, sort, simulate, etc.

To fix it, simply quit the game and load modded again. Do not quit to the main menu whilst the ship isn't orbiting, else you're gonna need to relaunch to get that functionality back :p

[woven citrus]

Having an issue with displaying the map on the terminal since I updated LLL(1.1.6 from 1.0.7). Every time it also displays the moons listing, overlapping with the map.
Deactivating darmuhsTerminalStuff also fixes the issue, so it's probably a conflict between those two. The issue wasn't present before LLL more recent batch of updates though.
Here's my profile code : 018dc29d-006c-92ec-c808-f02c9e1e399d

[ashen cedar]

non host people keep getting overlapping maps which keeps causing them to either play an entirely different map or constantly fall in the void at main even if then entering through a fire exit this error shows up everytime this happens

this has happened with other interiors also

[jolly cargo]

Does the speed of enemy spawns scale to the power counts? And do moons still apply their own interior size multiplier or is that gone?

[ashen cedar]

probably not

[jolly cargo]

that was 2 questions

[arctic matrix]

the size limit is important because some random low effort moon could have a 5x multiplier and then you can get slow generation, lag or just a vast and empty map

[jolly cargo]

ah so the override removes it?

So if its say 0.5 to 1, and 0.5, it should be between those two and not be affcected differently per moon?

[arctic matrix]

I think the Scaler setting doesn't work how it's described. at 0 it doesn't limit my dungeon size at all and at 1 it limits it exactly.

I haven't tested the minimum size but the max size limit works with Scaler set to 1

I know LLL's first math equation for deciding whether the dungeon size is within min and max limit didn't work at all so I wouldn't be surprised if it still had some quirks now

[fallow fern]

USC Vortex moment

[jolly cargo]

new moon was added to one of my mods, now there are 2 acidirs, 2 polarus, 2 eterns, 2 asteriod 13s, 2 atlas abyss, 2 grater hhhh

[jolly cargo]

Is Require Matches On All Possible DungeonFlows going to be fixed next update? @zenith flax
From my understanding, if it is false then say experimentation shouldn't override to have 300 factory weight yeah?

[final hedge]

Whenever this happens for me deleting and regenerating the config fixes it

[jolly cargo]

yeah but then I have to fill out everything again, at least i have it saved in a google docs

[jolly cargo]

it looks nice but etern to atlas abyss all have NO data

like this

[zenith flax]

Yeah we'll likely move to file per content in the future

[jolly cargo]

So that should hopefully fix these sorts of things?

I can't even load he moons list since its not that the moons copied themselves and made another thats reset to default, they just don't exist. and all I did was config it then open the game and they all nullified

[zenith flax]

it should yeah

config stuff is a finnicky mess 😔

[jolly cargo]

good because idek what to do now

How long until the configs are split? I think I may just need to hold off on using it until then

[zenith flax]

Not sure

the next update probably won't be related to configs too much

but the one after would be

[wanton oasis]

Oh great Batby, has thou made any progress with docs?

[zenith flax]

indeed

Kaynetsua & Starlancer have been working on some drafts on raw documentation, ive been working on some validation tools and Mark, sdDesfat, Celery and Qesley have been giving a rough outlining of the process

[wanton oasis]

🙏

Blessed be

Quite the team

[fallow fern]

Will LLL be merged into LethalLib eventually like the mod page suggests, or is it firmly its own mod now?

[jolly cargo]

haven't seen such a shitshow when it comes to gamebreaking bugs, some are probably LLL, at least a few I know are my own mod tho

[fading wyvern]

i dont think i said it here but i broke my keyboard so my documentation is halted

[zenith flax]

is this the entire comment

[jolly cargo]

hm?

You want me to list some things

[zenith flax]

thats how bug reports tend to work yeah

[jolly cargo]

1. Gordion didn't load for my friend
2. Atlantica didn't load for both of us
3. Enemies in general but this is a little different since the LLL config isn't even enabled, we had a rolling giant spawn at 8am on gratar and had 0 enemies spawn outside ever on Asteroid-13
4. Some other mods broke altogether, I'd guess LLL is messing with some things behind the scenes?

I'm taking the blame for quota desync I don't know how that happened but I'll figure it out later its almost midnight

[zenith flax]

unfortunately i just can't look at reports with LE right now

due to their newer updates

[jolly cargo]

wesleys isn't LLL?

I thought somebody listed it as being

its possible that gordion could have been messed by the quota stuff from my mod I'm not sure

[fading wyvern]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Magic_Wesley/Wesleys_Moons/

[calm eagle]

I will say that Kaynetsua has some actual documentation, I've just got some stuff written down and a video planned

[jolly cargo]

I'm not sure how to make it compatible with LLL but I was really cooking in the shower and may add a quota scaler as a setting in one of my mods

pretty much I'm going to make it so that if enabled it sets the min scrap value to the quota/2 and the max to the quota*2
the min scrap is the max scrap value/50 and the max scrap is the max scrap value/30

[fading wyvern]

x2 is crazy scaling

[jolly cargo]

so its just a way to ensure the game is infinite, the 2 will be configurable but probably only like 1.1 to 5 or so since it can probably hit the int max pretty quick if too high, also going to add a value that shifts that whole spectrum so you can force the scrap overall to be more or less

[jolly cargo]

Is it tho?

If you have the 130 quota it would be 65-260

1000 quota is 500-1500

I think one of the issues LLL has with config is that the scrap completely breaks if it can't find a possible way to generate in the ranges

[fading wyvern]

assuming a quota of 8k like high lvl players can get to fairly easily, you can get a max 3 moon spread of 24k

[jolly cargo]

well thats assuming absolute max and it would be 48k

[fading wyvern]

er right

thats pretty insane imo for 8k

[jolly cargo]

idk if its just because scrap is super scace or if its because my friends are really bad but we usually get like maybe a 5th of the stuff on a moon

[jolly cargo]

I could make the value to shift it increase by the quota it is on to that the percieved quota is a fraction, just can't make it too strong or at some point quota will be impossible

[fading wyvern]

id go for less swing values like .8 and 1.2

[jolly cargo]

lets move to #dev-general

[idle ravine]

Scrap spawning is more a base game issue tbf, it's very finicky

[jolly cargo]

yeah, its either that or the LLL config just doesn't apply the scrap things in the first place

[oblique shore]

Hello, how i can add SCP Foundation dungeon example unity package to my project without missing scripts? I creating my own dungeon, and i want to see scripts examples, if its possible.

[idle ravine]

The later versions of the unity package use the asset store version of DunGen, so you'll have to buy it (or check the older versions of the package that use the decompiled scripts)

[strange trail]

been reported like 7 times in the past week as well unfortunately
idk how one singular person got them to work though

[oblique shore]

thanks

[zenith flax]

Not sure yet

Really depends on mine and Eva's intentions in LC modding by the time LLL stuff settles down a little

could remain seperate or merge in either direction

[fallow fern]

Gotcha, thanks

[idle ravine]

@zenith flax unacceptable mistake smh

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-star-wars-no-shout-scream-gif-16634447

[grave sluice]

Hi, in the github, i've read that the mod read .lethalbundle file, but in the lethalSDK_project, on the lethalSDK tab, when i generate, i dont seams to have .lethalbundle files. Is there a way to generate it ?

[old pebble]

LLL levels don't use LethalSDK

[grave sluice]

So, where i can find a template of map to create moons ?

[old pebble]

There isn't a template yet, its being worked on

Documentation is being written for LLL rn

[grave sluice]

okay 🙂

[fading wyvern]

both template and docu being made at the same time

my keyboard should arrive today

so i can get back to working ok it

on it

[ivory lion]

Not sure if this is a bug or not, but I noticed that any sort of scrap mods that I have for some reason are defaulted to 0 rarity weight on any LLL moon. Is this intended?

[zenith flax]

https://github.com/TheDeadSnake/LC-Touchscreen/issues/23#issuecomment-1955235173

looks like touchscreen should be gucci now

[slender canopy]

Can't use the Switch command in the terminal when using Lethal level loader. Typing switch brings me to the Moons screen in the terminal

[mellow flame]

happened to me as well

also sometimes LLL commands in terminal just dont work

[pearl orchid]

Hype

[chrome notch]

what was broken with touchscreen? me and my friends have been using it since LLL 1.1.0 and we didnt notice anything

[pearl orchid]

It didn't function on modded moons

Check the link for more details

[chrome notch]

i see, guess we just never tried that

[dusky orchid]

Where can I found command for terminal?

I want to see facility probability

[ivory lion]

the command for that is “simulate [moon name here]”

However, if there’s a space in the moon name like Atlas Abyss or Secret Labs, just delete the space and that’s all

[dusky orchid]

Thanks

[spare pecan]

Some of you were talking about Touchscreen mod so I just tested it out and this is how it displays, anyone else already got this issue?

Not sure if it can be linked to LLL though, I literally just installed this mod right now

Touchscreen cursor is just plain white, I checked the .png file and it's a regular cursor so.. 🤷‍♂️ if anyone use touchscreen here, let me know

[earnest turtle]

Can anyone recommend me some stable LLL and LEC moons? We wanna explore with friends

additionally, how many of you use AC + LEC + LLL combo?

[true void]

me

[spare pecan]

I do

[earnest turtle]

would you recommend it?

[spare pecan]

Always have worked for me frankly

[true void]

works fine for me

[earnest turtle]

If you don't mind sharing, can I get your modpack codes?

[spare pecan]

I don't use r2 so i don't have modpack code but i got Aquatis, Orion, Celest, Infernis, Atlas Abyss for the moons

[true void]

uh instead of that... here is all my moons! (ignore scp scrap)

I would send my code

but it has alot of other stuff too

alot

[earnest turtle]

that's a big part of why I wanna check it out

[true void]

well okay

018dca9c-d0d5-8be8-14be-a04aeb627978

144 mods

[earnest turtle]

Thank you!

[true void]

Im having an issue with moons that I havent fully tested yet

so uh

but i think its not either LEC LLL or AC causing it

infact Im pretty sure it isnt since no one else I know is having it

[earnest turtle]

ah okay, the only moon mods that I used are Wesley's so far, and that was quite unstable

[spare pecan]

Which moons? Out of curiosity

[true void]

Ive only "tested" with atlas abyss and secret labs but when I try to leave the moon, it never progresses to the next day

[spare pecan]

I only run Wesley's Infernis and I didn't notice anything unstable for the past weeks, was Infernis one of the unstable ones?

[true void]

so I cant save

[earnest turtle]

probably because of some other mod as well, but we only had about 30 mods

[earnest turtle]

No, it was ast 13

[spare pecan]

Ah, I don't have this one

[true void]

@earnest turtle Can I look at YOUR mod profile

[spare pecan]

I have not tested Atlas Abyss at all, we never saw even an inch of it so far so I can't say

[earnest turtle]

I'm on mobile right now, but I can link you a dependency string I sent a couple days ago, trying to troubleshoot

[spare pecan]

We just never think about it tbh

[earnest turtle]

is that okay?

[true void]

uh

sure

[earnest turtle]

#1204432295025578014 message

[fallow fern]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Easyidle123/Easyidles_Quality_Moons/

All of these have been tested pretty extensively and work really well

Also have interior configs set for them + you can use AC

[earnest turtle]

@fallow fern Thank you so much!

[fallow fern]

No problem :)

[earnest turtle]

22 moons is crazy btw wtf

[earnest turtle]

Cool pack btw!

I see it has LE as a dependency though... isn't that mod problematic?

[fallow fern]

It uses LECore. It just has LE listed because otherwise the mods will install their own version automatically and that'd be a headache

LECore disables LE

[fallow fern]

Thanks :D I've spent a while on it

[earnest turtle]

Oh! okay

that makes more sense

[fallow fern]

There's actually 15 more in a secondary pack that are also pretty good but weren't included in the main one for a variety of reasons. For example, one takes place on a spaceship, while I'm trying to keep my pack vanilla-feeling

and a nightmare pack with 90 moons

[earnest turtle]

@fallow fern I see you did spend a lot of time on this. Good job!

I have a question though... can you tell me some popular mods that have a lot of compatibility issues?
I could figure it out myself, but this could save me a lot of time and headaches..

[fallow fern]

MoreCompany is a lobby mod that causes several issues on some mods (not too sure which). AdvancedCompamy is a good replacement, you can use MC's cosmetics with AdvancedCompany without issues
I've heard LC_API has incompatibilities, again may have been updated
LethalExpansion obviously causes lots of issues, but I've had none with LECore