Lethal Level Loader [Custom Content Loading API]

[zenith flax]

Ok think I know the issue

[unborn cairn]

and it's possible to be all made by the same guy cus they're all like game rips and shit

[zenith flax]

Peach’s Castle and Ganon’s Castle are the problem

[unborn cairn]

and yeah what knibbs said

why are they made by other people?

[zenith flax]

LethalExpansion doesn’t sanitise planet names when they name the level file

[arctic matrix]

yea the quotation marks stood out for me

[zenith flax]

It’s putting characters into the file names that break the config

Not Dafi’s fault

[unborn cairn]

oh right the '

[zenith flax]

Any moon that uses these

[unborn cairn]

i was stuck in limbo tryna submit my moon for the first time cus of these lol

but it stopped it for me, how was he able to upload it?

[jolly cargo]

hm I can't seem to simulate asteroid 13

hmmmmmm how do I make a specific interior NOT appear on a moon?

[iron quiver]

Moons is broken again…

The hell am I doing wrong

[void sorrel]

mine are working just fine

im on LLL version 1.1.4, and the latest version of LE as well

[iron quiver]

Yeah same.. it was working before I changed the config

But if I don’t change the config I’m stuck with free moons and no custom interiors

[kindred herald]

IAmBatby is the history persistent? Like does it survive quitting and loading?
If it does there's one thing I'd like to suggest: something along the lines of 'General Settings - Planet First/Initial Route Price'
To make all permanent moons mods obsolete 😇
Single value including 0 would allow for only route price, only unlock price or a combination of both

[jolly cargo]

Anyone know what asteroid 13 is in the config?

[zenith flax]

It does not yet but will in the future, heard chef

[void sorrel]

delete the config to make sure its updated. i had to do that so it started getting the correct enemy checks on the config

[jolly cargo]

asteroid? asteroid 13, asteroid-13?

[iron quiver]

Yeah I just did that sadly

I deleted it, changed it and now it's dead again

[void sorrel]

send me your pack code ill test and see whats going on and figure out how to fix it

if its with the config i can definitely do that at least

[iron quiver]

018d8b22-3f81-3d68-cd44-8df23ef17146

thank you so much man

[jolly cargo]

guesiing its asteroid13

[arctic matrix]

I think I found it, the mod SkipToMultiplayerMenu somehow skips over the LLL bundle loading sequence

[zenith flax]

Yup

[void sorrel]

np. what in the config did you modify btw just so i know what im looking for

[jolly cargo]

oh but

[iron quiver]

I changed the SCP 096 and Shrimp spawns on every moons and changed the custom dungeon weight on every moon too

[void sorrel]

did you do that in the LLL config or their own configs?

[iron quiver]

LLL config yea

[void sorrel]

ok i see

host a game rq and open a vc ill join you so its easier to figure out what exactly is happening

[iron quiver]

alright I can't really open my mic tho cause my gf is with her friends rn

I'm in

[jolly cargo]

hmm it seems moons will give themself rarities even if its 0 for that moon

[hushed sky]

Will work on updating to newest LLL was on one from last night before the one that just came out

[iron quiver]

binder's very funny something something

[hushed sky]

I will also try and use CSync

[jolly cargo]

yeah I can't make a moon not have the facility

[arctic matrix]

if you don't need to do it for many moons, you can try doing 99999 weight for every non-facility moon

[jolly cargo]

I could but then it appears in the pool and ocd

[hushed sky]

Is it because lethal company assigned one? hmm

Granted I don't know how custom moons work

[jolly cargo]

I have it empty h

[arctic matrix]

btw I've fixed Dafi's moons from the LEcore config like this.

[hexed nacelle]

lol, you are right

[zenith flax]

Works without those two?

[arctic matrix]

yep

[zenith flax]

Good to know 🙏

[surreal rock]

Got a bug with Lethal Level Loader right now it's won't work with any LLL custom planets, when I try to land the ship nothing happen...

[old pebble]

do you have a mod that skips the intro

where you pick Online or LAN

[surreal rock]

yes?

[arctic matrix]

also make sure you update LLL after installing moons, some of them have outdated dependency of LLL 1.0.7

[old pebble]

disable that mod, its skipping an important step for LLL to load things up

[surreal rock]

gonna try right now

ok now it seem to work but nothing happen when it show the seed instead

ok seem to be only some moons

[arctic matrix]

I just got it the same, on moon Ether.

gonna try deleting LLL config

[jolly cargo]

hhhhhhh

It is literally 1 for facility and 1 for mansion

at least the bunker and castle worked

Its the exact same whether this is true or false

I'm guessing it doesn't process the false and is always true?

[full hornet]

does anyone know why the 1.1.- updates broke most interiors?

or is it fixed now

[jolly cargo]

A lot of reasons

The change log is huge, I know MoreInteriors had to port

I was playing scoopys earlier just fine

[full hornet]

yeah I guess Im gonna use 1.0.7 until everything ports/fixes their problems

so is it LLL's fault or the other mods that use it that have to port?

[waxen fog]

LLL latest version the sorting moons by price config option is inaccurately sorting them. having moons that cost more than titan below titan itself

or maybe im doing the config wrong

[idle ravine]

Is SCP broken? Haven't gotten any reports about it so didn't think it needed immediate updating

[arctic matrix]

I just got the SCP dungeon while testing something else and it worked

sometimes the first lever pull after booting up the game doesn't land the ship, but it might be just something with brutal company plus

[arctic matrix]

welp I had the same and I thought I can replicate it consistently but then it stopped happening after I restarted the game 2-3 times without deleting the config

[errant lotus]

It works for me

[unborn cairn]

[waxen fog]

for me it went march and then kast, followed by other modded moons and then like second to last titan. when the modded moons were not more expensive than titan besides kast

[fallow fern]

It makes all LE moons look like they cost 0 right now

[errant lotus]

Yep, I recommend changing the values through AdvancedCompany

[fallow fern]

If I do this and also disable intro skipping, will the latest version of LLL work completely for a sizeable modpack?

[errant lotus]

I have a large modpack with intro skip and custom moons values via AC, so I thinnk it should

[teal tendon]

I have an issue opening a save in which you last went to a custom moon

[Info : Unity Log] level id: 9
[Info : Unity Log] Changing level
[Error : Unity Log] IndexOutOfRangeException: Index was outside the bounds of the array.
Stack trace:
StartOfRound.ChangeLevel (System.Int32 levelID) (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_001F)
StartOfRound.SetTimeAndPlanetToSavedSettings () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_00CF)
(wrapper dynamic-method) StartOfRound.DMDStartOfRound::Start(StartOfRound)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.TrampolineStartOfRound::Start?1128998480(StartOfRound)
LethalLib.Modules.Items.StartOfRound_Start (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) (at <4eedb4dc36094adcb65137cf81f2803d>:IL_0178)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.HookStartOfRound::Start?763487764(StartOfRound)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.TrampolineStartOfRound::Start?767119542(StartOfRound)
LethalLib.Modules.Utilities.StartOfRound_Start (On.StartOfRound+orig_Start orig, StartOfRound self) (at <4eedb4dc36094adcb65137cf81f2803d>:IL_019C)
(wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.HookStartOfRound::Start?-1843630344(StartOfRound)

[zenith flax]

Yup reported, will be fixed next update

Apologies

[teal tendon]

Okay, ty for the fast reply

[zenith flax]

Known Issues (As of 1.1.0.4)

-Mods that skip the initial LAN or Online scene will cause LLL to break by skipping it’s code

-LethalExpansion moons will be 0 route price due to issues with LethalExpansion breaking when SelectableLevel.levelID’s are modified

-Lethal Expansion moons with uncommon characters in their planet name will likely break the game as LethalExpansion does not sanitise names when setting SelectableLevel asset names and LLL does not validate these names when parsing the automatic configuration system

-Saving and loading a save where a Custom Moon was the last active level will break the game due to an oversight regarding the levelID saved to the savefile via ES3

-Issues regarding routing to moons with similar names and/or spaces in the name are known

No issues will be fixed until the 13th as I am away, apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for using LethalLevelLoader

@onyx vapor could I get a pin please 🥺🙏

[idle ravine]

Was gonna suggest opening pull requests for people who might wanna fix early but forgot about deploying the mod

[onyx vapor]

@brisk schooner (I can't pin here.)

[brave ore]

When SelectableLevel.levelID’s are modified ?

Do we have any idea what could cause this ?

Does anyone know if there is there a way to fix it on our side without using Advanced Company ?

[plush summit]

so what does this number in customizing moons actually.. mean?

it seems almost.. arbitrary, which moons ahve a higher or lower "probability"

[plush summit]

just realized this was the wrong thread i posted this on my apologies LOL

[sullen coral]

Some fixes/clarifications for the time being for those that can't wait:

• SkipToMultiplayerMenu by FlipMods (https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/FlipMods/SkipToMultiplayerMenu/) seems to work despite others breaking nvm, some moons don't load
• AdvancedCompany will fix the price issue if you check the price box in AdvancedCompany, overriding the default, if you've used it before it will even have the values already saved

[plush summit]

i have no issue routing to atlas abyss, but im not able to use "simulate" on it because of the space in its name

[sullen coral]

Interesting. All I know is on my end Atlas Abyss and Secret Labs do not show up, period, despite having them installed

And therefore cannot be routed to

[plush summit]

these are all showing up and are routable to

[sullen coral]

Could be cuz of USC Vortex potentially, perhaps multiple moons from different systems with spaces in their names causes issues

[plush summit]

that would be my guess honestly

[plush summit]

*i believe getting lethalexpansioncore so i could have infernis broke the simulate command entirely

[sullen coral]

Okay actually not sure what the issue is, just double checked, I don't have Auralis or Triskelion either (am using LECore)

[void sorrel]

not sure what you mean. i was running a pack with atlas abyss, LLL, and AC and it still had atlas. the annoying thing is i went through the trouble of customizing a config for each moon in the LLL config file and it got overwritten

and that was roughly an hour or so ago

[sullen coral]

Yeah, seems like for me, Auralis, Triskelion, Secret Labs and Atlas Abyss are all MIA

Weird

[calm eagle]

Are you able to land on Triskelion?

[plush summit]

im pretty sure but let me double check i just closde the game

[calm eagle]

Okay, I appreciate it. Trying to figure out what the issue is (that I'm also encountering)

[plush summit]

i am actually not able to get to triskelion

everything else works fine

auralis too

but triskelion just gets stuck on

Random seed: #########

[calm eagle]

Okay, that's consistent at least

[plush summit]

and never loads in

[calm eagle]

Ty for testing

[plush summit]

weird; id expect it to be both auralis and trisk,,

[calm eagle]

SAME

I'm going insane rn

[plush summit]

modding

🫠

[calm eagle]

It really makes no sense, I set them up the same way TT_TT

[void sorrel]

another thing i noticed is that if you have atlantica and atlas abyss and try to go to atlas it defaults to atlantica

[calm eagle]

That's probably because when it expands on it, "atlan" comes before "atlas"

Which I'm not sure anything could be done about

[void sorrel]

which is what i was thinking too. im not sure if thats an LE or LLL thing or if thats an oversight on the base game itself

[plush summit]

thats honetsly probalyb a base game overisght

[void sorrel]

i could see the easiest way in fixing the issue would be for all maps to have a number asigned to them

since you can load a map from the number if it has one

[sullen coral]

Hmm, I'm not seeing ANY mention of StarlancerMoons, Auralis or Triskelion in my logs, now that I'm looking

Certainly odd

It's like they vanished

[plush summit]

..you can?

[void sorrel]

ive typed the number for experimentation and it worked as the prompt

[full harbor]

Auralis worked fine for me (assuming I disabled any game intro skips) but Tri froze on loading for me as well

[iron quiver]

Yeah since atlas doesn’t have a number

I had that issue too

[void sorrel]

lol make a mod that asigns a random number to each moon in the terminal to avoid conflict would be interesting

[plush summit]

,,not for me

[sullen coral]

I'll have to check if SkipToMultiplayerMenu is causing any issues

[plush summit]

😓

[iron quiver]

Oh

Wait

[calm eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/lizard-dance-dancing-lizard-end-my-suffering-gif-26435006

[iron quiver]

@void sorrel im so dumb

I didn’t realize it was you lmao

[sullen coral]

Checking AdvancedCompany first since it appears to be patching SecretLabs and AtlasAbyss

[void sorrel]

whats up binder? anything new with the issues?

[iron quiver]

I just went to sleep tbh, AC wiping our config settings made me give up lol

[full harbor]

Yeah I actually tested it when the issue was first brought up but assumed you would find the issue when you said you replicated the error. Lmk if you need logs or anything I guess

[iron quiver]

Especially after being at it for 5 hours

[void sorrel]

speaking of AC does it modify configs for other mods at all?

[iron quiver]

Yeahh

[sullen coral]

It shouldn't

Only reason it would is if those configs are autogenerated

Aka LethalLevelLoader

[iron quiver]

mm that’s weird

[void sorrel]

binder and i were having an issue where we would manually configure LLL for each moon and the config would get overwritten

[sullen coral]

Mhm, it's likely AdvancedCompany and LLL not playing nicely trying to both change the moon values

[iron quiver]

exactly

[sullen coral]

It works fine if you set AdvancedCompany's values in the in-game menu though

But AdvancedCompany itself isn't changing LLL's config values, LLL is

[iron quiver]

Oh I see

[void sorrel]

strange

[iron quiver]

So id have to change every moon/enemy/interior configs in game in AC?

[void sorrel]

ill try launching with the modified config i sent binder and having AC disabled to see if thats the problem

[iron quiver]

Good idea

[sullen coral]

The way I have it setup is Moon/Enemy configs in-game with AC and interior configs with the interior mod configs

And that seems to work

I think with some of these other mods LLL is resetting itself

[iron quiver]

oh yes that’d make sense since AC doesn’t play with interiors afaik

[sullen coral]

Mhm

Everything works fine for me other than these four moons not showing up atm

[iron quiver]

Which ones?

[sullen coral]

Auralis, Triskelion, Atlas Abyss and Secret Labs

Tryna find the conflict rn

[iron quiver]

Interestinnng they were all working for me

Well triskelion showed up but doesn’t load (Audio Knight is on it)

[void sorrel]

we had issues with triskelion as well remember binder

[sullen coral]

YEP OKAY

SkipToMultiplayerMenu

That's the one

[void sorrel]

oh you already said it

[iron quiver]

Oh yeah that’s 1000% the one

[void sorrel]

atlas and secret labs show for me just fine regardless

[iron quiver]

That mod skips the bundles loading I think

[sullen coral]

That's so weird, I've had no issues with it before cuz it works differently than other mods that skip that menu

Huh

[iron quiver]

I guess any mod that skips the intro breaks LLL

[calm eagle]

Appreciated, but I see the error that's causing the hangup I just don't know how to fix it so I'm over here slamming my face into my keyboard until something works

[sullen coral]

And can confirm AudioKnight as well, Triskelion hangs

[calm eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-cat-gif-24927682

[iron quiver]

Programming

[void sorrel]

YAY BUGS

lol

[sullen coral]

Guess I'll just disable SkipToMultiplayerMenu until a patch comes from LLL's end

Darn, that was my favorite Skip mod

[full harbor]

Have you tried turning it off and then on again

[void sorrel]

lol

or deleting configs so they be replace?

[full harbor]

Hopefully skip mods can be back up next week, we'll see

[sullen coral]

Definitely odd that all of Wesley's moons load though, but not those four if you skip the menu

[void sorrel]

when LLL went from 1.1.3 to 1.1.4 i had to delete my config for it cause it still had inside enemies in the outside on it

oh binder didnt we also find the weird question mark cube?

on atlantica

[iron quiver]

Wesley’s use LLL?

[full harbor]

Maybe there's some internal priority system and some mods are just able to be loaded in before the skip is called

[sullen coral]

Oh, no, they don't

Huh

[iron quiver]

Ahh that’s why

No LLL no problem

[iron quiver]

Oh yeah lol

That was weird

I really wonder if it’s a bug or a lore thing

[void sorrel]

its weird. i replaced the config and launched without AC. config still got replaced again

[iron quiver]

What the hell

[sullen coral]

So yep, definitely just an LLL bug

Configs not saving due to some conflict

[iron quiver]

[void sorrel]

but the game is reading the old config as well

[iron quiver]

well I guess AC is the way to go for now

[void sorrel]

like it got replaced after the game read it or something if that makes sense

[iron quiver]

That’s so weird

[sullen coral]

Gotta say, wonder how exactly the difficulty sort works

For now Price seems more accurate, though some of these difficulties feel wrong

[void sorrel]

well im not gonna complain if things are working somewhat properly at least

[sullen coral]

But Difficulty is defined by the modmakers, so

Agreed

[void sorrel]

id think it takes the rating attached and groups them together right?

[sullen coral]

Except it doesn't

Look at the list lol

[void sorrel]

i see that. it doesnt work like it should i guess

[sullen coral]

If I had to guess, I'd imagine it's something like "Max Power"

Cuz USC Vortex being at the top makes sense in that case, cuz it has a crazy default Max Power

[void sorrel]

that does make sense then

[iron quiver]

I forgot what max power is

[void sorrel]

isnt the rating shown in the terminal the safety rating?

[sullen coral]

Mhm

Unfortunately looks like the sorting, previewing, etc breaks if you leave and rejoin

Have to fully restart the game after that

But things are working TM

I currently don't have Atlantica so no issues routing to Atlas Abyss or Secret Labs for me

[iron quiver]

yeah since the 1.1.0 update I feel like every fix just brings a new problem

[sullen coral]

I mean, when you rewrite the terminal code, the config code, and everything else, while trying to make LE and LECore work without exploding, things are bound to break lmao

[iron quiver]

Oh of course of course

[sullen coral]

I say "rewrite" but ik its more of a terminal hook

[iron quiver]

Don’t worry lol

[sullen coral]

Just best way to describe it

[iron quiver]

I just feel for Batby rn lol

[void sorrel]

im just satisfied that it at least works the way i need it to

bugs are welcome for me rn cause it will cause funny occurances for my friends and i that are unexpected and hilarious

[sullen coral]

Stuff like this working is reason enough for me to want to use it rn

[iron quiver]

Simulation is amazing

Can’t get it to work half the time, but when it does work it makes me happy

[sullen coral]

Hopefully some of these devs will adjust the internal names

"OfficeDungeonFlow" is a tad jarring

[iron quiver]

True true

I had to take out LC Office, it was way too buggy for me lol

It’s a really cool interior tho

[sullen coral]

or batby will add a config

I haven't had too many issues other than the sheer size

But that should be fixable soonTM

[iron quiver]

The size and the elevator

After that we’re good

[sullen coral]

Elevator works consistently for me, though I haven't tried leaving with the power out

[iron quiver]

oh don’t try that hahaha

My main problem is that the elevator isn’t consistent for everyone. It’s up for some players and down for others at the same time. Also everyone that enters the elevator simultaneously exists next to the ship for some reason and can be heard talking

[void sorrel]

not sure if this is because of the Strange objects mod or LLL but i found 2 random apparatus that were not plugged into any sockets on a single moon

[unborn cairn]

Spare batteries 🔥

[void sorrel]

lol

nvm it must have been strange objects

both are labeled in red as painful

[calm eagle]

So I reverted back to LLL 1.0.7 to check, and my latest build of StarlancerMoons works fine on it. Auralis works (as it still does apparently) and Triskelion works. I have no clue what broke with the update and I desire to cry

[iron quiver]

What the hellll

I’ll cry with you

[gusty onyx]

Yeah I haven't updated LLL just yet and am using those two moons as well. 🤷

[void sorrel]

i wish to cry cause im trying to see if internal stuff is working correctly on my pack with LLL and i got sent to the backrooms

make matters worse. my shotgun turned the safety on by its self

which is why i was sent to the backrooms

[iron quiver]

What are the triggers to get sent to the backrooms?

[void sorrel]

getting hit

occasionally the map wont load for some people as well and they literally clip out of the dungeon into the backrooms by falling to their death

oh i just realized. the fire exit on SCP secret labs currently does work at all

not sure if thats cause of LLL or because of some other issue entirely

and thats both with and without the SCP dungeon gen on it

[zenith flax]

maxScrap * maxEnemyPowerCount

Open to suggestions to refine this calculation

The actual difficulty string is too arbitrary for actual sorting imo

[sullen coral]

Makes sense. I feel like dungeonSize might be a better tell of "difficulty" than maxScrap

[zenith flax]

ehh

[sullen coral]

You could theoretically have maxScrap set to 1000, just makes it easier if the dungeon size is smol

[zenith flax]

I should probably incorporate route price maybe

[sullen coral]

If anything, more scrap is technically easier

true

[iron quiver]

Is it?

Normally i see more scraps or harder moons

[sullen coral]

I mean, yes

But an easy moon could easily double scrap and that makes it easier, not harder

Whereas if the moon's interior is bigger, it's harder to find scrap

Even if there's more of it

[zenith flax]

maybe I’ll divide scrap by dungeonsize idk

[sullen coral]

That could be a good way, calculate average scrap per square inch

[zenith flax]

Just kinda gotta play with numbers till it feels right

[sullen coral]

Mhm

It's not terrible rn and in fact that makes a lot of sense as to why USC Vortex was rated as hardest

But the issue there also is that USC Vortex is an odd map, with a 7 to 70 scrap amount by default

which is stupid but I digress

[iron quiver]

what the hell

Gambling moon

[zenith flax]

((maxScrapValue - routePrice) / dungeonSize) * maxEnemyPowerCount perhaps

[sullen coral]

I have it modified to 15 to 45 with AdvancedCompany to make it a tad more reasonable

[void sorrel]

casino moon sounds cool af actually

[iron quiver]

Damn you’re right

[calm eagle]

I still don't fully understand the min/max scrap value/amount in SelectableLevel. It never seems to actually enforce the values, or maybe I just don't know how to set it lol

[sullen coral]

Neither do I, to be fair

I am not a moon dev

I just change values to be more reasonable in AdvancedCompany when I see arbitrarily ridiculous ones

Like, Titan has 32 max scrap iirc

Why does Vortex have 70

[calm eagle]

I just threw numbers in mine until the average result became what I wanted 🤭

[sullen coral]

Lol, fair

custom scraps will also arbitrarilize this further

So if I do ever develop a moon I'm just gonna base it on vanilla moon averages

But eh, I'll leave moon-making to the pros

[iron quiver]

What does it take to be a moon making pro

[calm eagle]

This is sorta what I do, I start with the closest tier of what I'm building around, and just tweak it from there. Some people just want custom moons that throw scrap at them with low difficulty, while others will literally never be satisfied lol

[iron quiver]

Knight, if you ever start a skillshare class on moon making, I am instantly subscribing

[calm eagle]

Lmao I appreciate the compliment, but I'm by no means a pro 🤭

At the very least not to the point yet that I'd feel comfortable getting money for it

[violet yew]

all of my LLL mods dont work

this is what my console says

everything after this is just "Cascade Shadow atlasing has failed, only one directional light can cast shadows at a time"

scp dungeons doesnt show up, nor does office, the game gets stuck on "Waiting for crew..." when i try to go to E Gypt or Secret Labs

every other mod works just fine

its specifically the ones tied to LLL

ive tried disabling office and scp dungeons to no avail

its specifically connected to LLL

nvm i found the problem

LE original has an incongruity with LLL

have to use LE core

which sucks cuz LE core doesnt have the mod settings but eh

[fading wyvern]

LECore has always been required for LLL

if you use LE

[violet yew]

i had switched the LE core setting back to using LE

really i just like fucking with the mod settings in base LE its fun

[sullen coral]

Unfortunately base LE is basically deprecated and looking for a successor

Some fixes might be doable on LLL's side but compatibility with LECore will be prioritized over base LE

[strange trail]

not to mention the mod settings of LE can be found as separate mods on thunderstore too

like Lb to Kg, 24 hour clock and etc

basically all config settings of LE are already separate mods lol

[fallow fern]

I'm not big brain enough to understand the update fully

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1199474436303245373

Is a mod like this more possible now?

[jolly cargo]

Oh interiors also force themselves to have at least the vanilla values regardless of whether that bool is true or false in the top, like a lot of moons modded or not will give themselves 300 facility or something and it isn’t overrided by having it to say 1 at the bottom

[gusty onyx]

Do I need LE if I have LLL and LEcore? So they play nice with mods like LC_office, sewer and dungeon? Etc.

Host would crash on those interiors.

[hushed sky]

no you don't need LE just disable that only

[brave ore]

So there's no way to override it without AC ?

[sullen coral]

Not that I know of, since multiple people are reporting the config being reset if you try to do it via config

Might be other mods, but otherwise, stick with 1.0.7 for now

[brave ore]

Yeah I tried that too

[young acorn]

are there any other issues with LE moons other than the broken prices?

[strange trail]

to be honest, its not like a big hassle to set the moon prices back to normal yourself, so if you are willing to change that in config then current version is pretty much spotless

[iron quiver]

There’s still a few other issues

But it’s very much in a playable state

[jolly cargo]

yeah for my pack its really just

1. Can't go to atlas abyss (only LE moon)
2. The bunker interior cannot load

I love how I can do sooooo much with the config

like I can manually balance ALL enemies and ALL scrap

afaik it reads the configs of everything else first then has that be the default but then you can override anything

Like I made it so that the rolling giant moves from inside to outside in the later moons

but damn balancing enemies has so much to consider

like the moon themes and taking the power levels and max counts into account

[south hawk]

I can't select Atlas Abyss because Atlantica is selected xD

[jolly cargo]

same

[iron quiver]

I love it but AC overwrites everything I think

So I have to change the configs in game in AC’s menu (which I dislike)

[jolly cargo]

yeah thats one of the reasons I don't use ac

[iron quiver]

I really like AC, but I can’t stand how it sees itself as a god (if that makes sense)

And if you say you don’t like it in the AC channel you’re seen as a weirdo

I want AC as a mod, not THE mod

[tawny pier]

God complex is such a common issue among devs in general. Felt the same there after bringing up some issues that AC had back then

Btw, I'm finishing my custom interior and I saw LLL benefits it a lot but I'm a total newbie and I dont really know if I need to do anything specific on my assembly to take advantage of LLL features, I saw LLL does a lot of automatic stuff on its own, do I have to add something myself on my side?

[hushed sky]

You would still have to register dungeon thru LLL and load the assets

[hushed sky]

Unless you are going with it gets put in the bundler

That LLL made which is automatic I think

[hushed sky]

https://github.com/IAmBatby/LethalLevelLoader/wiki/Loading-Your-Custom-Content

The wiki explains it

[tawny pier]

Thanks buddy. I, for example, saw that the last LLL messed up your interior but I didnt pay attention on what exactly so I'm not sure if I need to tweak something specific

[arctic matrix]

I have this problem with multiple moons but thankfully my modpack relies on always blindly going to a random moon with the RouteRandom mod

btw would it be smart to add leading zeros to the config entries? so r2modman will order them properly instead of for example 1, 11, 12..., 2, 3

[iron quiver]

Does LLL allow you to add moving/changing parts to your moons as the day progress/random events?

Or everything has to be static

[arctic matrix]

I know LE can do it at least, for example spring factory has a train for transportation and Polarus has an elevator and icebergs

[iron quiver]

I’m starting to wonder if I should just make a moon with LE

and maybe port them to LLL in due time

[forest mountain]

Not sure about LLL but if you look in #mod-showcase the most recent api post there could end up being useful to you

[iron quiver]

Oh that could be extremely useful, thank you!

[wraith nova]

i have hopes in binders creations

[stiff hull]

I am having an issue that when using LLL & LEC at the same time, moons do not have a route price. I think if I change the config options of the moons in LLL this will be fixed, however this also requires me to know things like min and max scrap rates, map multiplier, ect. Could there be a way to only change individual settings rather than all of them or none?

[errant lotus]

Use AdvancedCompany to set a price on the custom moons

[stiff hull]

would you recommend using AC over MoreCompany for lobbies and late joining?

[errant lotus]

yes

[soft violet]

AC disables morecompany so its fine to have it for the cosmetics

[stiff hull]

yippee

[errant aurora]

yo guys

the eject command

dont work

for 1.1.4

dunno if this was already covered in here or not

it hasnt worked for a while now

[brave ore]

The eject command ?

[fading wyvern]

yeah its known

[errant aurora]

yes

the command that lets you kill you and your crew

doesnt work with the recent version of LLL

[void sorrel]

i can go to atlas and bunker also loads for me

can i see your mod list? kinda want to test and trouble shoot

[jolly cargo]

Do you have atlantica?

Also what versions for LLL and MoreInteriors?

[void sorrel]

the atlantica and atlas thing is more than likely a base game issue. ive got latest LLL and latest for morre interiors as well

[inner hawk]

Is it a problem that i don’t have an item group set for my scrap spawners?

[jolly cargo]

From what I can tell it’s LE dependent moons

[void sorrel]

it could be that the game is reading the first 3 letters or so and then taking the first moon it finds in aphabetical order which would be atlantica. whether its LE related or base game related tho i dunno

[hushed sky]

ye we figured it out the override was removing to many tiles at 1 setting so i am redoing the Generation so it is lower and more constistant at 1 thanks 🙂

[void sorrel]

what about the issue with atlantica taking over when trying to go to atlas abyss?

[hushed sky]

hmm i will look into that try and upgrade config

[void sorrel]

which config? LLL or LE? or does LE not have a config

[hushed sky]

will try and have it so bunker will have better separating number of moon and rarity

in bunker config

[void sorrel]

oh wait thats a seperate issue and not related to the moreinteriors mod

its just the terminal not loading the correct moon

[void sorrel]

would the log show whats happening when trying to load one moon and getting another?

[void sorrel]

took a look at my log for when atlantica hijacks an attempt to go to atlas

[Info : Unity Log] Set interminalmenu to true: True
[Debug :AtlasAbyss] Start
[Error : Unity Log] Trying to add Caret (TMPro.TMP_SelectionCaret) for graphic rebuild while we are already inside a graphic rebuild loop. This is not supported.
[Debug :AtlasAbyss] MoonsCatalogue
[Info :RugbugRedfern.SkinwalkerMod] Audio folder not present. Don't worry about it, it will be created automatically when you play with friends. (D:/SteamLibrary/steamapps/common/Lethal Company/Lethal Company_Data..\Dissonance_Diagnostics)
[Info : Unity Log] Parsed word: atlas
[Info : Unity Log] noun keyword: atlantica ; verb keyword: route ; result null? : False
[Info : Unity Log] result: atlanticaRoute
[Debug :AtlasAbyss] atlanticaRoute

found that

and it seems Orion and Atlantica are both listed as moon 43

[old pebble]

@zenith flax The Bear S3 drops in June

[plush summit]

..typing in "switch" in theterminal is sending me to the moons

like, switch to switch view on the monitor

not for my friend, though (playing together, same modpack

[plush summit]

it should definitely be flooded

flooded weather condition

water is not rising

[marsh shard]

I've seen this in the base game, it's a client side bug\

quite rare but meh

[plush summit]

entgire server reported it not rising

[marsh shard]

Odd...

[plush summit]

7 ppl

[marsh shard]

What mods are you usin!

[plush summit]

one sec

is there a conveninet way to grab a modslist

with r2modman

iirc there is btu i dont know how

[marsh shard]

Darn not really.

Thunderstore is best for that

[jolly cargo]

What interior?

[idle ravine]

you can export as code

[plush summit]

the interior was just facility

[zenith flax]

Saw some reports about weather desync, Can anyone confirm if that’s being caused by LethalLevelLoader?

I saw More Company got an update around the same time so wasn’t sure

[plush summit]

i think its seed desync

we just got two diff interiors

tbh i wouldnt be surprised if its advanced company latejoin

because some people are getting one seed, and some people are gettin ganother

[zenith flax]

ohh ok cool

[crystal edge]

I am not currently running more company, just advanced company. Which would corroborate the latejoin seed issue. Would we be able to confirm via reading each players seed on landing and confirming?

[regal shadow]

erm does anyone here know anything about how moons are going to be organized? Dont wanna bother Batby with my questions :P

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1205558133074825258 batby said "correct" but erm im not sure what that means at all so i said iluvyou and am asking friendly people here as to not interrupt poor batby

[patent schooner]

#help-and-troubleshooting message
Not gonna lie - I have obtained a miniature headache over this. Not an exaggeration. I've attempted filter none - it denied it. I attempted no filter, filter any, etc - failed. Cleared configs, disabled everything, finally figured out it was LLL (please put that somewhere as a feature in the list). For SOME damn reason, I was able to do it now with "filter none". But I kid you not I fumbled on this damned PC for over 15 minutes attempting every command I swear should've changed some filter setting. I was about to report this as an issue of a mod - searched "filter" and see that someone else seemed to have ran into something very similar.

You need to make it so when "moons" is typed - the information appears at the darn top explaining these filters (although even then - that would not have solved this issue. I swear to god I've typed filter none and it failed numerous times.). >->

Wasn't just me either - got 2 others to attempt to rid the filter as well. Can't confirm if they typed filter none, but I could not remove that damn filter. I'm sure it's some bs conflict, some config issues - whathaveyou. Nuking this mess of a pack I was given and reenabling it made it work flawlessly- but lord this nearly had me just flip a metaphorical table ._ .

After passive aggressive headache subsiding from thinking it was one of 80 other mods... only to filter it down to mods I swear weren't the cause.
Ideas:

• Some keywords in the readme or features so "filter moons" pops up
• An explanation of the Preview, Filter, and Sort function (probably "Preview Info", "Sort Info", and "Filter Info" since the top explains to use the word "info" on moons. Adding words to make it say "To learn about any moon or preview/sort/filter, use the word INFO." would suffice there)
  Edit: Or when just the word "Preview", "Sort", or "Filter" is typed - it outputs "[Something something use syntax-] (for the example of Filter) price, weather, tag, last travelled, none"
• A config option to entirely remove the filtering options, or new value "Disable" to disable individual filtering options.

Now with that- I'mma try to subside this unneccesary headache... I'm sure others will hit this same weird wall. I swear to God I used "filter none" and it just spit back at me as if that wasn't a command <-<'... trying to force it in my own lobby seems to be impossible. Client side maybe? I don't know. 😮‍💨

[zenith flax]

Heard, chef.

Only note is that the moon catalogue settings are intentionally client side as it is inherently a user preference

[strange trail]

yeah unfortunately lethallib scrap and LECore scrap still dont spawn, even if you brute force their spawnlist in config
they just dont, only vanilla scrap spawns on LLL moons, latest ver of LLL too

oh so it seems like its because every time you modify the config for LLL moons, they get regenerated

so I cant even test if it works because it wont use my config lol

[arctic matrix]

I think that happens every time your moon list changes

add or remove 1 moon, the config becomes a mess

maybe just removing the numbering would fix it

[strange trail]

but I havent removed anything tho

I just relaunched the game

[arctic matrix]

oh and I never changed moon configs but only installed new moons when this happened to me

so might be both

[strange trail]

most likely both tbh

lemme check something tho

[strange trail]

okay yea, Audis was right

but custom scrap still cant spawn even if I set them in config

oh well

but its so weird because if I set a custom scrap list for an LECore moon, it works through LLL config

but it doesnt work for LLL moons LOL

oh and it seems like enemies section (inside and outside) configs dont work for LLL moons either

no custom enemies, no custom scraps can spawn
kinda sad how Shy guy cant spawn on Secret Labs

[arctic matrix]

works for me, on secret labs now

no custom moon config edits throught LLL though

found him as well

[undone quail]

Level Event recommendation onDayModeChanged ```
None
Dawn
Noon
Sundown
Midnight

Looked at the code and it seems a bit annoying to make a patch for this though

it'd be useful so i don't have to have my code in update to check for it to turn noon so i can toggle the lamps on my map.

also updated LLL to the latest version and my map doesent load in properly anymore is there anything i gotta add? cs [Error : Unity Log] ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Index was out of range. Must be non-negative and less than the size of the collection. Parameter name: index Stack trace: System.Collections.Generic.List`1[T].get_Item (System.Int32 index) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_0009) (wrapper dynamic-method) RoundManager.DMD<RoundManager::SpawnMapObjects>(RoundManager) (wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Trampoline<RoundManager::SpawnMapObjects>?542004304(RoundManager) LethalLib.Modules.MapObjects.RoundManager_SpawnMapObjects (On.RoundManager+orig_SpawnMapObjects orig, RoundManager self) (at <4eedb4dc36094adcb65137cf81f2803d>:IL_009D) (wrapper dynamic-method) MonoMod.Utils.DynamicMethodDefinition.Hook<RoundManager::SpawnMapObjects>?-1480255656(RoundManager) RoundManager.GeneratedFloorPostProcessing () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_000F) RoundManager+<LoadNewLevelWait>d__115.MoveNext () (at <af9b1eec498a45aebd42601d6ab85015>:IL_013C) UnityEngine.SetupCoroutine.InvokeMoveNext (System.Collections.IEnumerator enumerator, System.IntPtr returnValueAddress) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0026)

[hoary monolith]

Are there any LLL template unity projects out there? I've started trying open other assetbundles but if someone has an already working project it'd probably save me some time

[undone quail]

Okay what the hell why is my asset bundle trying to add everything thats in the damn game to my asset bundle and i can't remove them

[hoary monolith]

Is that normal?

I just decompliled one that had this same thing to it xD

Zingar-Atlas_Abyss-1.1.6 seems to include models for all the game items and other base game stuff

[undone quail]

it makes my asset bundle over 100mb and its broken ingame since the scripts are missing

[hoary monolith]

The Zingar-Atlas_Abyss-1.1.6 is also over 100mb and has 800k downloads so idk 🤷

[undone quail]

Welp k its impossible for me to port my map due to this unity shitty assetbundle stuff (sorry got a bit annoyed)

I tried splitting it into a different asset bundle and that seemed to remove it from the scene bundle and stuff in the map isint broken but i still can't load into the map since it can't find any gameobjects with RandomMapObject

which i know is in the dungeon stuff

but its there and yet it doesent work okay :(

[arctic matrix]

according to this description, it should do a hard limit with 0 and not do anything with 1, correct?

just testing this on a moon with 5x multiplier and it seems to not do anything on 0, but properly limit the size on 1

so idk if there's a bug or I'm stupid and can't understand the description

the 5x moon is Egg Carrier from Dafi's moon pack emporium

[steel crag]

@zenith flax Probs be easier if I speak here, just for miscommunication reasons and such.

It's safe to assume when Config is set to false, the config options below that are not applied? They still get applied regardless. That's what I am referring to which I saw acknowledgement in another thread, so I am kind of confused. Nothing about compatibility right? Looking at your known issues, it's not a know issue but it was spoken about in other threads.

Unless that's what you meant with LeC/LE preventing any of this working as expected?

[iron quiver]

I’m pretty sure it’s a known issue, it’s part of why the moons are free if I’m not mistaken

[languid haven]

There seems this API creates a weird bug in my game where I'm stuck in constant tutorial mode
i.e. every time I use the terminal I have to state my favorite animal and role in the team

Is this a known bug?

[arctic matrix]

does it go away when you disable LLL?

[brave ore]

Hum

Tried playing in multiplayer for the first time with modded moons

And there was a HUGE syncing issue between the host and the others

Like when a moon was flooded/rainy (Hydra here) the host did not see the water at all it was like the planet was not flooded

Also had some issues with interiors, as I had a game were my mates didn't have the same interior as me (the host) where it was configured to only be the bunker but I had the bunker and the others had castle which was not meant to be possible...
-So first off we did not have the same interior (so they had no items, and we could see each other clipping through walls)
-They had an interior which was not supposed to be on the said moon (Conviction here)
Also had some weird t-pose bug and the game was lagging for no reason until at some point when going to another moon it crashed

I do not have the logs, but I do have my r2modman code for the mods I was using : 018d9444-f69c-8028-4408-06446fe4b5e4

I was using both LEC and LLL to have custom moons and interiors

I think we only went on LEC moons but it was LLL interiors

[winged field]

Can Confirm. We're using LethalLevelLoader and weather is very desynced for us

[winged field]

Seems 50/50. After playing a desynced round the weather seems to correct itself again

[winged field]

Nevermind it desyncs once we land again

[brave ore]

I also use a mod called LateCompany and have the issue

And I think when I was hosting all of them left and rejoined at some point before we had the different interior issue

But the weather problem occurs whether they join later or not

[sullen coral]

Late Company consistently caused this issue for me. Switching to AdvancedCompany fixed it for me.

[winged field]

We're using AdvancedCompany and are running into this still

[hushed sky]

Working on fixing the stuff for bunker and making it so the other players configs for bunker MoreInteriors sync when joining so looking forward to having that be less of a headache thanks for the feedback working on fixes currently 👍

[languid haven]

Yes, it does

I did however use a skip to multiplayer mod, so I'll check it when I'm home, that may be the cause

Very weird bug
It treats me like it's the first time I've loaded the game

[calm eagle]

Yea skip intro mods completely break LLL

[steel crag]

If people are having issues with LLL at the moment, use Version 1.0.7 until a patch is out when they're back. This also means you'll need to downgrade any interiors you're using by a version or so before the dependency was changed etc.

[brave ore]

Does anyone use ShipLobby here ?
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/tinyhoot/ShipLobby/

If you can tell me if you have the same issue with it than with Late Company

I used to use it before v49 of lethal company and just switched to Late Company, but this these bugs... I might just go back if it works

[sullen coral]

ShipLobby had issues for me consistently as well

[surreal rock]

@steel crag Downgraded only LLL and had to deactivate Backrooms as it was preventing the map from loading but otherwise everything worked fine without having to downgrade them.

[brave ore]

Ok thanks for telling me

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/dawn-gif-23933434

[calm eagle]

https://tenor.com/view/frustrated-angry-no-frustration-gif-5226402

[sage cradle]

i blamed late company

so it's LLL update?

we had exact same bugs today

one round weathers desync

or flood level desync

[winged field]

I dont use Late Company
(I also cant read apparently)

[sage cradle]

another time - everything is good

and synced

completely random

[steel crag]

@sage cradle Anything else installed that could be trying to sync the weather? Maybe a possible battle happening behind the scenes of functions.

https://tenor.com/view/lightsaber-sword-fight-fight-glowing-gif-17542190

[sage cradle]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/mrov/WeatherTweaks/

but it worked perfectly before LLL update

mod itself states that it's compatible with latest LLL too

they released update especially for that

[slim wind]

change version to 0.4.1 if you want to use older LLL- it's all the same functionality

and I've got reports it works on latest as well

[sage cradle]

it works

but weather desyncs happen

but i guess it's happening for people with LLL only

so it's not weathertweaks to blame

[slim wind]

#1203871322841808906 message

[sage cradle]

it's not using any LLL functions to do that?

[slim wind]

No

I'm only hooking up to terminal methods to override it's weather display function to display mine "uncertain" stuff

so it's only that

[sullen coral]

I've had several mods in the past cause weather issues, including WeatherTweaks, LateCompany, ShipLobby, etc. I have no clue what causes it in particular, but I've found that removing those and just using AdvancedCompany makes it work for me. Especially since AdvancedCompany has the functionality of those mods mentioned

[silent oak]

so LLL is causing the weather desyncs for sure?

[sullen coral]

This was also before LLL even updated

[sage cradle]

i had LLL + weathertweaks + shiplobby working perfectly before LLL update

i mean weather-wise

[silent oak]

hmm

[sullen coral]

Shrug, all I know is I've had issues with them in the past and there's a reason I swapped to Advanced

[silent oak]

i dont use weather tweaks or ship lobby

[sullen coral]

No issues since

[silent oak]

using AC and LLL

[sullen coral]

Wanna be clear: Not saying it isn't LLL's fault

[sage cradle]

and it desyncs?

[sullen coral]

Moreso saying that's been my experience

[silent oak]

yep

i mean i use a lot of other mods though too

but i dont think they would cause weather issues

[sullen coral]

Mhm, unfortunately saying definitively that it's LLL causing the issue is hard

Without, yknow, testing with just AC and LLL repeatedly with friends/fellow testers

or even just LLL

[silent oak]

so we could possibly downgrade to previous version before update huh?

[sage cradle]

yes, but you have to downgrade more interiors and scarlet mansion as well

[sullen coral]

I've heard nobody mention it when just using LLL, but LLL is also one of those mods you don't expect people to have by itself

[sage cradle]

if you use them

[silent oak]

damn

[slim wind]

Does AC sync weather though?

like at all?

[sage cradle]

yes, i think so

[silent oak]

yeah

[slim wind]

because only things in it's assembly related to weather are scrap multipliers

[sage cradle]

at least there's some late join complicated syncing code

afaik

[slim wind]

true

Ok, so AC does synchronise weather - that's good to know

[steel crag]

Pretty sure LateCompany syncs weather? or was it taken out?

AC does a fair amount of syncing

[sage cradle]

the question is

does LLL syncs weather?

[slim wind]

no

[sage cradle]

https://github.com/ANormalTwig/LC-LateCompany/blob/main/Patches/RoundManager.cs

from the looks of it

[sage cradle]

then i really don't know, maybe it's not because it syncs weather but because it change weather code in some place else?

[silent oak]

yeh LateCompany used to have this issue

[sage cradle]

cause people running all sort of mods, and only thing in common is LLL

[silent oak]

I havent used it in a long time because of that

well i removed LLL and other mods depending on it so we will be running a group again to see

[slim wind]

Vanilla weather mechanic is based on seed (primarily), so if something's not synced there ~~there ~~will be issues

[sage cradle]

i'm gonna run downgraded LLL tomorrow and test

[sage cradle]

by the way what's gonna happen if i run late company with weather tweaks together?

as they both sync weather

[slim wind]

haven't tested, don't know

but if they both sync the same weather there shouldn't be any issues

LateCompany syncs weather after my methods are all ran, so both mods should sync the same values

if not my mod will override it

[sage cradle]

i wonder why vanilla game code can't handle weather sync on it's own 😄

there's so many questions and so little answers

[slim wind]

cause it's based on seed - all clients will have the same seed, so no need to sync anything but seed

same with dungeonType

all clients assume they have the same data, so each does things on its own

lol

this is so hacky

[sage cradle]

so in order to have custom weather chances you have to detach weather from seed?

i think i understand

[waxen fog]

could 1.0.7 LLL be causing a waiting for crew mates when trying to start the game

[slim wind]

I mean - I'm still changing weather based on seed, but syncing all things by myself - I've tried to do it the same way as base game, but it got desynced almost instantly

so better safe than sorry

[sage cradle]

you sure you downgraded everything else?

more interiors, scarlet mansion?

[sage cradle]

sounds hacky for real

[slim wind]

https://github.com/AndreyMrovol/LethalWeatherTweaks/commit/40116dd9fc760c8fc3aa2d7ca2193a3091dc25cc

this is the third commit lmao

cause it was so bad

[waxen fog]

not scarlet but more interiors yes

[silent oak]

yeah it was LLL

or one of the mods depending on it

i used more interiors, the mansion, LC Office and scoops variety or whatever

[waxen fog]

Are those the only two that need to be downgraded

[sage cradle]

and weather tweaks if you use it

that's all i know

[waxen fog]

It seems like the issue was only occurring on the asteroid modded map

Which I thought was weird

But maybe coincidence

[sage cradle]

i'm not even sure what it supposed to do, my c# skill is very basic at most

game syncs previous weather?

[slim wind]

this was old mechanic (also didn't work)

check latest if you want to dig deeper

[sage cradle]

in vanilla, game always get weather from seed, correct? and it's deterministic?

so exact same seed means exact same weather

[slim wind]

yessir

[sage cradle]

so in order to bypass that mechanic you need to have your own weather sync code to force completely your own weather?

[slim wind]

exactly

[sage cradle]

makes sense

doesn't explain why latecompany has it's own weather sync code and other late join mods doesn't

[slim wind]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-shrug-who-knows-gif-12648964

[sage cradle]

i mean if people late joining on orbit then there's no reason to sync weather as the game should do it itself when you pull the lever

or just extract it from level seed to be precise

[slim wind]

true

[slim wind]

it's the same with ragdolls - they are so desynced

[sage cradle]

yeah, this game is very p2p and sync bare minimum

usually in games everything synced with the host all the time

[zenith flax]

I have a theory on the weather stuff I’ll look into when I come back

I think it might not be due to LLL directly but due to something I did to make LE quickly work that other mods might have assumed would never change (which is a valid assumption tbh)

Anyone who has any confirmed info on the issue feel free to @ me with it so I can look later

One thing for example would be if weather desync is consistent with seeds being different between clients

[sage cradle]

we didn't notice different seeds yet, i assume that if seeds were different - we would've have different dungeon layouts and stuff and not only weather desyncs?

but last time it happened - i, as a host, visited dungeon with stormy weather, and all other players was chilling in the flooded ship

so it's possible

[zenith flax]

Nope, as of LLL 1.1.0 I now modify the basegame to make only the host decide dungeon and dungeon size

Helps prevent the dungeon from people completely unplayable when there is config desync

[gentle lark]

Do the new config options work on modded moons/enemies? im still seeing masked on asteroid-13 despite disabling them.

[sage cradle]

oh

then yeah, it's totally possible

nobody paid attention to seed numbers

still doesn't explain why there's weather desync with WeatherTweaks, as it's designed to override weather

[zenith flax]

Depends on how that mod does it, I’ll look into it

Fortunately aside from the weather bug the documented issues are either issues with other mods or things I know exactly how to fix

[marsh shard]

Honestly batby I don't mean this in any rude way but it tends to be a bad idea to push an update right before you go away

[zenith flax]

It was a tough decision forsure.

[marsh shard]

Yeah

I respect it but yeah... it can be a bit of a bad idea

[zenith flax]

Overall I think I’m happy with the decision I made but there’s not too many great ways to offer pre-release or betas for testing in Thunderstore and such. It was tested before release but there’s just so many usecases and configurations the community uses that it does make it hard

[marsh shard]

It takes guts

[calm eagle]

Yeah like some dummy putting two moons into one mod

[slim wind]

If you run into these issues again please hit me up with logs, I'd love to check what went wrong

[sage cradle]

sure thing

[sage cradle]

@zenith flax so, fresh info

looks like flooded desync happens when dungeon is sewers from scoopy's variety

host weather is correct, for all others it's fully flooded weather

didn't happen before LLL update, but it worth to mention that sewer dungeon uses it's own water plane

@slim wind

so it might be the reason weather desyncs happen in the first place, i don't really remember if weather was desynced any other way

everytime it was okay for host, flooded to the brim from the start for everyone else

i'm gonna update everything back, disable sewers and playtest tomorrow

to see if any other weather desync happens at all

[jolly cargo]

What enemies work outside?

I know the nutcracker, snare flea, spider, and hoarding bug all just go next to the ship and stay there

[sullen coral]

Pretty much all indoor enemies do this unless set properly to use the outside AI Nodes. LethalEscape does this, so enemies spawned by it will work, but other mods that want to spawn enemies outside need to set them to use the outside AI Nodes.

(Which is why I keep pushing this mod idea in prayer that somebody will make it: https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1203082292289867806)

[jolly cargo]

ah ok so not coilhead outside? I was trying to do a gimmik on my later moons with certain enemies outside at night

[sullen coral]

Nope, they will completely ignore the player and huddle by the ship

[jolly cargo]

waa

its joever

[sullen coral]

~~Not if someone makes https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1203082292289867806~~

According to several devs, it should be a relatively easy fix, just check the "isOutside" field when spawning them outside

But I don't know enough code or anything to know how to do that

Once they use the outside AI Nodes, they still don't always function perfectly (for example, Spore Lizards and Brackens outside notoriously cause lag), but they work

Bracken in particular gets very upset when you look at him and he goes to find a hiding place

Trust me, I'd love to set a rare chance for Coils outside on Asteroid13 for example

[marsh shard]

Yeah they kind of just run around

[sullen coral]

But until we get mods that fix their AI, they're gonna clump by the ship and that's it

[calm eagle]

So I was actually doing some testing regarding outside ai

[sullen coral]

👀

As I said, the Lethal Escape dev has stated that all he does is change the "isOutside" flag when spawning/moving outside so that they use the outdoor AI nodes, which is why they function at least better than they do without LethalEscape. But unfortunately that only applies to enemies spawned by Lethal Escape, not by other mods

My guess is that they get stuck cuz they're trying to pathfind to the closest indoor AI node

But honestly I'm not 100% on that

[calm eagle]

"OutsideAINode" controls the spawn points for enemies and map objects (like rocks/pumpkins/etc).
"AINode" controls the patrolling behavior for enemies in the dungeon.

I was able to give interior enemies (such as Coilhead) the ability to walk around my ship, BUT the ai for the coilhead is broken and there's no way to collide or interact with it at all.

[calm eagle]

I believe the default pathfinding is "Go to (0, 0, 0)" based on my examinations

[sullen coral]

Makes sense, they pathfind to a base position if they can't find any valid reachable AI nodes

[calm eagle]

I can't figure out how to set the Coilhead to be able to perceive/be perceived by the player tho

But I'll continue testing ideas as I think of them :)

[sullen coral]

Have you tried checking the "isOutside" tag (or flag or whatever it is) in Unity for them whenever they are spawned outside by your mod?

[calm eagle]

I love figuring out ways to manipulate stuff already in the game vs. having to have a separate mod or plugin.

[calm eagle]

So I'm not actually spawning anything myself. I put a vent outside and it spawned using basegame mechanics

[sullen coral]

Ah, that makes sense then

Tbf, if the vents are coded to spawn them as indoor enemies, then it's likely still using indoor AI

instead of outdoor

[calm eagle]

My hope is that I can configure something without my own code to let the enemy AI act the same

[marsh shard]

lethal injection company

[sullen coral]

If you do, by all means let me know

All I know is right now spawning an indoor enemy outside via AdvancedCompany or other mods no workie

And it makes me sadge

Cuz I want Coilheads outside on Orion and Asteroid13

please don't put them outside on Triskelion though

put some spore lizards outside instead

[calm eagle]

Don't worry, I won't put anything unkillable outside on Triskelion

[sullen coral]

Good, good

Triskelion too small to have enemies we can't deal with

[calm eagle]

Maybe a couple of brackens and thumpers though

[sullen coral]

please no Brackens, they're basically impossible to kill without a shotty

unless you make some Nutcrackers outside too

[marsh shard]

Brackens are easy to kill what do you mean?

You just walk backwards and at an angle in a circle

"Just git gud"

[marsh shard]

Where'd you get this list?

[jolly cargo]

unity

[marsh shard]

I know but how

[jolly cargo]

tags I think

on prefab

[marsh shard]

oh yeah

"scrapSpawn" dungen for LC uses those

[calm eagle]

correct

Gah, I can't seem to find an existing script for altering an enemy ai upon trigger

[calm eagle]

FINE I'LL MAKE A SCRIPT, JUST GIMME A BIT

https://tenor.com/view/controlmypc-cat-screaming-discord-gif-20582295

[sullen coral]

I bet it'll get a lot of downloads if you make a working script at least

[calm eagle]

Well it's complicated in that regard. I don't yet know exactly how IsOutside functions, but my current line of thought is more of a helper function for modders to add to their own moons so that spawning an enemy outside allows its AI to work, notsomuch something that people would download and suddenly every enemy behaves perfectly outside.

[gentle lark]

disregard this, my config was brokey.

[calm eagle]

Though if I figure that out, that'd be cool too 🤭

[sullen coral]

Yeah no, I don't expect it to magically make outside enemies all work perfectly

But getting them to function at all is a start

Can confirm, am unsure if it's a compatibility issue but Sewer Interior makes every level appear and function as if its flooded for anyone that isn't the host

[calm eagle]

So uh

Got a thumper to naturally spawn outside and once I got down off the ship it did indeed attack me

[sullen coral]

Yup, but they won't pathfind otherwise

That's the issue, is the conglomeration in one spot

[calm eagle]

no

I have it set up in such a way that they wander

[sullen coral]

Especially with Thumpers, I don't want a moon where all the enemies bunch up by the ship

Oh?

[hushed sky]

oh nice

[calm eagle]

Yeah, the regular "AINode" tag is for interior enemy AI pathing

so if you have them outside, then inside enemies like thumpers/nutcrackers/etc. can path to them

I need a coilhead to spawn from one though so I can test that

but I'll take a vid this time

[sullen coral]

I'm pretty sure Coilheads still won't work

But if they do let me know

I'm sure Wesley would love to hear about this

[calm eagle]

Had to bop back out bc it kept reaching cap before anything spawned from the vent outside, but now its got 130 cap + 300 coilhead weight, so this next test should at least let me see if I've gotten anything to change 🤭

Okay, so I don't have the AI working properly yet, but here's proof-of-concept for letting them walk around outside at least

@sullen coral

Ideally I'd figure out a way to give them free-roam capabilities, but right now it's just patrol behavior

[sullen coral]

Yeah, I'd say you could check with the guy who made Lethal Escape but he's already struggling to update Lethal Escape ^^;

But I'm glad it works with the Thumpers

Can you test if Spiders will aggro?

If so this could still be really good for Wesley

[calm eagle]

Sure! It's 2am right now, so I'll test it in the morning. And yea, for any enemy that paths on sight like Thumpers and stuff this is a fine solution, but I couldn't get a lootbug to get mad at me earlier lol

[sullen coral]

Tbf lootbugs getting mad at you typically involves loot

of which there is none outside

[calm eagle]

Yea, but usually invading its personal space enough does it too I think. I'll test them again as well and give it a flashlight :P

[sullen coral]

But yeah, only enemy in my tests I've been able to get to aggro is the Thumpers

Who aggro, but don't pathfind unless you add your own nodes

Hopefully adding your own nodes won't mess with any interior enemies

[calm eagle]

I don't think it will. They probably have a search radius to grab a new node to patrol to, so anything exterior would be far out of reach

I'll work on it a bit more tomorrow, but if it seems fruitless I'll let someone else have the glory 🤭

[sullen coral]

You say that, but PathfindingLagFix is proof that they clearly check a lot of AI nodes

I'd test with Snare Fleas, Brackens and Spiders next, Snare Fleas/Brackens are likely to cause AI lag if they function, and Spiders I just wanna test to see if Infernis can be fixed

Same with Nutcrackers for Etern

@gaunt hinge this discussion is worth taking a look at for your moons

[steel crag]

@zenith flax Forgot to confirm you can override LLL with AC if you choose to. Have safe journeys!

[calm eagle]

Will do! Gonna start trying some more stuff now
Nutcrackers would probably work fine just from having AINodes for patrol pathing, since they stop and do their search as a different thing. Idk how it'd work for colliding with them so that they kick you tho

[wild wing]

So are there currently any problems on 1.1.4? Not sure if I should downgrade to 1.0.7 or not

[calm eagle]

There's some incompatibilities, I can't remember exactly what with, but some stuff has updated to be compatible with it already

[jolly cargo]

You think enemies being outside functioning correctly should be base kit to LLL since so many moons be default puts them outside (IE infernis, etern, etc) and the mod also makes it very easy to set any enemy to any spawn pool

[calm eagle]

The vanilla interior enemy AI is just set to look for specific things, which I don't think LLL should touch directly. The aggravating thing is that the EnemyAI scripts doesn't have anything publicly accessible to just flip a switch for outside functionality, at least not that I've found.

[zenith flax]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-sun-teletubbies-gif-19804594

Update probably tomorrow

[marsh shard]

Oh yeah your back tomorrow

[steel crag]

It's in their name KEK haha, nice one though @zenith flax for grinding

[remote quail]

it's weird that with GI, using this setting breaks the game with LLL, making the startup screen pitch black

[errant lotus]

The dungeon chance works 99% perfectly btw

[wraith nova]

has poolrooms worked for you?

[steel crag]

It's known. Startup screen starts the functions for LLL.

Also poolrooms has worked for me, haven't tried since they changed dependency from 1.0.7 (Even thought it only worked with 1.1.3/1.1.4) to 1.1.4.

[remote quail]

ah

[steel crag]

@wraith nova Just checked and PoolRooms working on LLL 1.1.4

[wraith nova]

nice then it was fixed, i also tried it, it worked out on my end!

[steel crag]

It worked regardless. There was never an issue with it.

[waxen fog]

Does it have to be used on 1.1.4 or can it be used on 1.0.7

[steel crag]

I think it worked on 1.1.3 but it's for 1.1.4. It doesn't work with any versions before that, deffinately not 1.0.7 it will fail to load.

[errant lotus]

yep

[steel crag]

You know if the generator has the same issues with Meltdown as it did for MoreInteriors?

[old pebble]

Hi I've been alerted of a bug occurring on my map that I'm not sure if its a LLL thing or not

[old pebble]

Yeah this is a new issue

Not of the above

[steel crag]

ooooo

[old pebble]

I converted my map to LLL and published right when the new update went live

[steel crag]

Batby said they're gonna be dropping an update tomorrow, I dunno if this helps 😛

[old pebble]

When anyone goes into the interior dungeon, the ship stuff stops working. (Switching player radar, cams, etc)

this stuff

Also placing items in the ship does not register as collecting them

Terminal can still be used and the lever to leave still works

No other mods in this pack either

[surreal cypress]

Is there currently a issue with LLL and some Moons?

[jolly cargo]

yes

particulatly LE moons

[surreal cypress]

So wateridge?

[jolly cargo]

Hm I wonder if there is anything I can override max spawn counts with now that I've manaully set all the spawn rarities on all moons

[old pebble]

This issue seems to be affecting my map alone right now, but I don't know what other maps were published after the new versions of LLL went up

The fact that the ship still lands and takes off, ladders work, and terminal work fine tells me I put the ship in my level correctly

[zenith flax]

I know what the issue is but can’t answer fully rn

@old pebble vanilla maps look at the audioytriggers in the sky and around the ship

needed for more than just audio

[old pebble]

omg

damn that was so misleading in the editor

zeekers moment

they were just labelled ReverbTriggers, totally thought that was just for sound

[gusty onyx]

I haven't updated LLL yet but I've no idea if there's issues with LEcore moons. Before I test myself are there any issues with those?

[jolly cargo]

Batby do you any plans for setting bee stuff per moon?

[sullen coral]

Only issue I've encountered is their prices will be set to 0. Using another mod that changes their prices such as AdvancedCompany fixes it

Otherwise wait for patch

[gusty onyx]

Thank you! Still looking at it, so far I've kept all mods stablized with LLL at 1.0.7 and all other mods accordignly (interiors). But I am running AC so I'll give that a try.

[sullen coral]

If you're using Scoopy's, disable the Sewer interior temporarily until a fix is released

Right now, the moon will appear flooded for any non-hosts if the Sewer interior is picked

[scarlet heart]

i've got an issue with this mod aswell is this the right channel to discuss it?

[hushed sky]

oh is pool rooms a new interior

[gusty onyx]

Got it! Appreciate that! Also LC_Office is pretty buggy too with desync elevators and scarce loot. Which are being 'corrected' atm I hear. I'm only using Shrimp atm.

[gusty onyx]

yeah trying that out as well

[steel crag]

Pool is a new interior :3

[hushed sky]

what is mod called ?

[gusty onyx]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/skidz/PoolRooms/

[hushed sky]

thank ye

[steel crag]

@hushed sky

Meltdown working in Singleplayer so far too, about to test multiplayer.

[gusty onyx]

GL, been meaning to use Meltdown for a bit now.

[steel crag]

There are more pictures but let y'all see the rest. These pictures don't do it justice

[hushed sky]

Very Nice

cause i know someone else that was working on a pool rooms too lol

could be same person

[steel crag]

Skidz? Trying to get them in the discord unless they joined now but with different name 😛

[marsh shard]

Dammit, turns out LCOFFICE uses the same textures I use because they are taken from the files of lethal company

[steel crag]

@hushed sky Just tested in MP, Meltdown works with it

[hushed sky]

oh nice

[steel crag]

Skidz also joined the discord now too

[marsh shard]

Major what should I do

[hushed sky]

glad they had eaiser time they setting up the Apparatus

ye what do yah need

[marsh shard]

LC office uses the same textures as me because I took em straight from the inside of exp

It's going to look like I copied

[hushed sky]

lets move this to Devlopement channel or DM

[marsh shard]

Dm's then

[zenith flax]

What @

[steel crag]

Ow was telling Major guy who made PoolRooms is now in the discord

[zenith flax]

Yes, What is there user @

[steel crag]

Ow sorry @rich gust

[soft violet]

skibidi's schoolgartenrooms

[jolly cargo]

Is a custom sort going to be added?

[zenith flax]

bro how

[rich gust]

Oh man, SchoolRooms.. Maybe for the next one 😄

[jolly cargo]

how is it sorted normally?

[zenith flax]

code

[marsh shard]

Someone is already making a school interior

[jolly cargo]

elaborate

I have it currently to be price by default but once you buy a moon with permanet moons it now goes back to being sorted however way

[zenith flax]

From what you’ve described Permanent Moons does what it does in a slightly unideal way

[jolly cargo]

yeah, I guess it sets the moon price to 0 after its bought?

What decides difficulty? Is that just the made up letter?

oh wow it actaully IS the difficulty

[idle ravine]

Iirc it's to do with enemy power and cap

[jolly cargo]

Good good good

[idle ravine]

Since the difficulty letter is completely unreliable

[jolly cargo]

It would still be cool to be able to change/remove the spacing

I have 4 moons that are easy, 4 that are intermediate, 4 that are hard and 4 that are very hard, the biome or lack there of is part of the order too

[idle ravine]

I guess the ability to pick the grouping spacing would be a nice visual feature

[jolly cargo]

Oh another bug btw is that you cannot reduce the weights of the facility and mansion on moons that request it

Like on vow you can't have the facility be less than 300 or it will count it as 300 anyway

[zenith flax]

I'm back.

Got a few small non LC things to deal with aswell but looking into working on stuff now

Regarding the 0 route price bug, That's on Lethal Expansion to resolve

Regarding skip to main menu mods, That's on them to resolve but I think I can do something that will make it work anyway

Also we hit 2 mil thank ya'll ❤️

[fading wyvern]

welcome back chef o7

[marsh shard]

Batby your name lies now

[zenith flax]

ok custom enemies and items fixed

[marsh shard]

Dude is speed running bug fixes

[zenith flax]

what are two issueing moons

atlas abyss and what

auralis?

[errant lotus]

Secret Lab

[zenith flax]

no as in

a moon that atlas abyss sends you to when it shouldnt

i think atlantica

[errant lotus]

oh

Atlantica

Both have ATLA in their name

[hollow knoll]

autocorrect is a blessing and curse

[zenith flax]

nah its a me fucky wucky

ok cool

[tame widget]

is there an issue with LLL making LE moons not load

[errant lotus]

Sadly true

It only loads LE moons with LECore

[tame widget]

okok i don’t mind just wanted to be aware thank you

wait okay so to further understand stuff like wesley’s moons that have the le core dependency will work but stuff like orion or aquatics which only has LE as a dependency won’t work?

[errant lotus]

LE Don't load custom moons

LECore Load Custom Moons

[tame widget]

perfect ty

[sullen coral]

This is important: if you install both LE and LECore, LECore takes over and disables LE

Which will make those other moons work

[tame widget]

on some moons i just get stuck on infinite loading screens (i have LECore and it still does this) so are those unplayable with LLL until fixed or is there something i can do?

[sullen coral]

I'm unsure tbh, don't have that issue myself

[sullen coral]

Batby's cookin again

[jolly cargo]

are red locust bees the same as circuit bees?

[zenith flax]

no

[jolly cargo]

what are they? Unused?

[zenith flax]

i have faith in you

[jolly cargo]

🙄

[jolly cargo]

Yeah they are, I can see in ILSpy

[marsh shard]

Batby cannot belive your gone until the 12th still

[zenith flax]

next time google your questions instead of asking and not liking the reponse

[jolly cargo]