Rolling Giant

[old badge]

weird, i'm pretty sure i had several ai types with spaces

gonna remove them as well just in case 😄

or wait

make sure that config is saved if you're using r2modman

it can't save line with ai types due to bug

i edited the file with extrenal editor

[prime lily]

thats what i thought too. but i had the same issue.

[sullen nest]

im using thunderstore

and i think its saved

yeah

[velvet shadow]

oh weird, spaces should be fine afaik, I'd have to double check

[sullen nest]

honestly i have no idea but i think it worked

[velvet shadow]

Yeah, and none of the settings mods support bitmask dropdowns yet afaik, so I'm waiting for that to not have a potato ai type field lol

Leaning more towards LethalConfig recently

[old badge]

please don't add any unnecessary dependencies :C

some mods require lethalsettings, and i don't understand it

[left robin]

thanks, just asking because I wanted to use this mod with Ship Voice Commands

[velvet shadow]

oh interesting, does that let you control the game with your voice?

[old badge]

only ship

doors, teleport, etc

[velvet shadow]

If I do add it, it would be a soft dependency so you wouldn't need the mod. A previous update attempted that and failed, but I know how to do it properly now

oh cool

[old badge]

maybe just add bool "randomize ai" as true/false?

usually people either use standart AI settings or every one of them

imo

[fringe sonnet]

A toggle in the config to set the AI random to true or false would help I think

[misty marlin]

why is the rolling giant not killing my mates ?

[prime lily]

youre using lethalescape? i think its a bug within lethalescape

[misty marlin]

Nope I just configured it to be outside with a big size

[prime lily]

thats an option to enable in the config now?
when does it spawn outside? only on certain moons?

[misty marlin]

No it can spawn at all time if you enable it

[prime lily]

and theres still nothing you can do except run away?
i think i would disable it outside xD

[misty marlin]

I changed the config so it will only move when looking at it

[velvet shadow]

Oh weird, maybe the big size messed it up 🤔

I'll see if I can replicate it on my end

[misty marlin]

my friends told me he did them big damage actually

I thought the mob one shot

that's why

[velvet shadow]

oh nah it does the same damage a coilhead does

And those like two shot you (depending)

Ok good to know

[prime lily]

Are you planning on adding new ai behaviors or making the AI more configurable?
I also tried pasting all ai types in there seperated by a comma and space but it just recognized the randomlymove type (prob because it was the first entry).

[velvet shadow]

Any errors in the log?

Because I just tested on my end and it works fine

but it just recognized the randomlymove type
can you clarify what you mean?

[prime lily]

there are several ai types. "Putting multiple will randomly choose between them each time you land on a moon". this didnt work for me. i seperated them with a comma and a space behind that. is it just a comma?

[velvet shadow]

Can you clarify "this didn't work for me"? Like how did it not work, and how did you check to see it not working?

[velvet shadow]

I'll be adding this instead 👍 So you can either define 1, a few, or just All

I should probably also tie the rng to the level seed

[prime lily]

is it correct that i seperated them by a comma with a space right after?
when i tested it two times it was always only the randomlymove ai type and nothing else

[velvet shadow]

It'll auto-format it for you when the config is loaded, but yes that's fine. Can you show me the logs that start with Rolling giant spawned with ai type: when you enter a moon and your config?

[timid mica]

Thanks for making this mod, our group of 9 had numerous hysterical and terrifying encounters with this Large Lad. First time the group encountered one it killed four people back to back clustered together as they freaked out.

Most memorable was an encounter on the dungeon interior when we were cornered by a coilhead and a rolling giant arrived down a spiral staircase. The giant stared at the player with me following along with them as they decided to chance it and squeeze past him to run up the steps, leaving me trapped. I was sat there sweating it and the giant turned to look at me, then slowly turned to look elsewhere and rolled on off. No idea why that happened but it was hilarious and I was able to back my way up and out with the coilhead hot on my heels.

[prime lily]

cant rn

[prime lily]

but this is pretty good

[velvet shadow]

Might have also solved the client position mini-teleports due to networking latency.

[velvet shadow]

After I get an online test done I'll be pushing the All ai type (randomly select from all ai types) and smooth movement across all clients :)

[near gull]

this is hands down my fav mod

[mild condor]

Will it choose randomly for every one that spawns or just choose one AI type that all of them will have every time you land on a moon? Currently it seems to just choose one every time you land on a moon (based on what is said in the readme) but I would love if the multiple ones that spawn could have different AI types, maybe a separate option, if it's not already a thing

[velvet shadow]

atm it chooses per moon. I was considering doing per enemy but it might make gameplay a bit too confusing? Unsure, I'll consider adding an option for it

[mild condor]

I can see it being a bit confusing but I feel like it would add to the mystic of the enemy, like it would be hard to figure out how it works as it seems to always work differently, a player unfamiliar with the mod might not realize they're seeing two different enemies with different AI types if there are multiple in the same level

[timid mica]

My vote would be per moon to keep things from getting too frenetic each outing -- if you spot the posters / a giant, you need to relay to the crew which behavior pattern it seems to be following and then everyone pivots their approach. If all of them are different then you lose out on that little bit of interesting teamwork / counterplay IMO.

[mild condor]

It should definitely be a separate option and probably disabled by default, I am just trying to maximize the fear of the unknown, being unable to figure out how it works is the goal

[timid mica]

secret bracken variant that peeks at you and moon-rolls back out of sight but creeps up again when not paying attention 🔍

[twilit shore]

is this mod hostonly? i always love to use hostonly mods where people get confused or scared out of nowhere of not knowing the incoming danger, similiar to ghostcodes ^^

[gusty topaz]

I believe everyone needs this mod since the mod adds in new assets. I'm keeping it secret for now by having a ton of mods in r2modman and just dragging rolling giant somewhere into the middle of it all when I give my friends a new code each time we play

[twilit shore]

lmao i should do that too

[gusty topaz]

when you have around 100+ mods you don't really check the middle of the list especially if they're not* the ones testing it/ putting it together

[velvet shadow]

Next update will also have an ai fix to make it actually get on the ship properly, and fixes the bestiary if scanning outside versions

Having to work on this alongside a few jobs so updates are a bit slower, but I'll see if I can test and release it at some point this weekend 🫡

[gusty topaz]

take your time. I'll just tell my friends that its behavior changes anyways so they scare themselves in the meantime

[velvet shadow]

Ok I said this thinking it was Saturday (my time management is all over the place lmao)

[gusty topaz]

since atm I can't get the random ai to work

[gusty topaz]

o-oh

[timid mica]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-woah-wait-what-shocked-what-did-you-say-gif-16673454

[prime lily]

does the weight for the rolling giant to spawn per map number among the other enemies' weights?

[velvet shadow]

The giant is used in the same pools as normal enemies, so yes the weight is used like normal against other enemies in the level spawn pools.

[timid mica]

I love that the little rolling giant exhibit posters spawn

[prime lily]

@velvet shadow can you also answer this question?:
https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1197172373909147648

[velvet shadow]

still needs more testing, but now the giant also won't go into spazz roaming mode the instant you jump/get up high

[fading lance]

oh dear god

nowhere is safe now

WHAT HAVE YOU D O N E lmao

[velvet shadow]

It can get on the roof too

[fading lance]

no

you cant

please

this thing already scares me enough when the ai just says "fuck it" and rushes me without stopping

i need at least SOME form of escape from it lol

[velvet shadow]

lol

[fading lance]

honestly ive had an idea for an ai for the rolling giant, but i got no clue if it would work lmao

[velvet shadow]

[fading lance]

what

the

fuck

WHY IS IT SO BIG

nowhere is safe, were all fucked

[velvet shadow]

gg

[timid mica]

I don't know if it's remotely possible, but I think it would be amazing and hilarious if rolling giants would leave you alone if you're carrying one of their exhibit posters

[velvet shadow]

Oh that's interesting

[timid mica]

similar to slimes reacting to boombox or something of the sort -- it came to mind with the drama mask mod letting you have masked enemies ignore players using the drama mask

It'd be neat if you could essentially be like 'Hey hey chill I'm here for the exhibit!' as long as you park one in one of your inventory slots.

(also funny for a room full of players where only one person has the poster as a giant rolls in)

[fading lance]

that would be interesting, but idk, would it fit the whole theme of the rollinggiants?

they dont exactly scream "ayo didnt know your chill like that" and just leaves you be

[velvet shadow]

I have no idea how the forest giant is able to move around the ship so well

[fading lance]

you got some advanced level ai lmao

also that could be a cool idea for an ai

make it so 3 guaranteed spawn, but they dont attack you

they SURROUND you

slowly cornering you until they kill you

idk, just seeing all of em slowly rolling towards you in the clip made me think of that lmao

[velvet shadow]

Probably won't do that, but sounds funny

[fading lance]

lmao fair

do you got any plans for new ai types in the works for these big monstrosities lol

[velvet shadow]

not atm, currently testing to make sure the larger versions don't cause issues with the ship (and they currently are )

[fading lance]

lmao

they want in

and god fucking dammit they will get in

[velvet shadow]

Past a size I remove their ability to get on the ship

But their attack collider still clips in

[fading lance]

could make it so their attack collidor is smaller?

or make it so the hands dont count as attack colliders, but the rest of the body does

[velvet shadow]

It's just the body

[fading lance]

fml "collidor" god my english is incredible

hmm, is it extending more then it should when they are E N L A R G E D

[velvet shadow]

nah

Would be so straightforward if I could just add an avoidance area they can't enter

[fading lance]

strange, wonder why its able to hit

is the ai going under the ship? or is on the railings

[velvet shadow]

Well its body is clipping in the ship

It can partially go under it, but the main place it can clip is to the left of the terminal since the ship has that slight gap between railings

[fading lance]

lmao man looks like he wants a high five

could shrink the size ever so slightly. would that do anything, or would it still clip

[velvet shadow]

The size is user-defined random between two values

[prime lily]

would be nice to have some kind of spawn chance (weight) for the rolling giant outside

[fading lance]

damn, so there really is a very limited amount of options available for the big ones due to the clipping

would it be possible to port the forest giants kill corrider onto the big rolling giant?

or make the big ones a seperate entity instead. rarer then normal sized ones, but well....bigger lmao

[velvet shadow]

ok the agent height is doing nothing

ffs

[fading lance]

oh jesus christ LMFAO

that looks so fucking cursed

[velvet shadow]

Oh I could just not damage the player if it is too big and it touches the player while you are in the ship

That can work

[fading lance]

worth a shot

[velvet shadow]

good enough probably, I doubt most people will be playing with it this large anyway

[velvet shadow]

true... I could also make size options for inside and outside

[prime lily]

so theres technically a max size? when the giant is larger than a certain value its not working properly anymore?

cause i would make the outside one taller

[fading lance]

good enough? its perfect lmao

[velvet shadow]

No it works fine, it's just when you are in the ship with it large and it has been restricted from getting on the ship, so it clips in in some spots

[fading lance]

adds to the charm tbh, cuz i mean forest giants and eyeless doggos clip as well

[velvet shadow]

@prime lily how's this?

[prime lily]

Yea nice. So thats a weight then? In the same pool as all other outside enemies?

[velvet shadow]

Yep

[prime lily]

nice
thats good

[fallow badger]

How do i get rolling giant to work with control company?

[velvet shadow]

What is that?

[gusty topaz]

Mod that lets you control monsters when you die to mess with friends

I imagine it doesn't let you take control of the giant since it never accounted for it

[dark pendant]

iirc you can take control of the giant if you press 0 to see all the experimental monsters, it also shows modded monsters, but idk how well they'd work

[velvet shadow]

Doesn't seem to have an api for custom mods, and really no notes on supporting it, so I probably can't do much with it yet

[fallow badger]

Ah ok

[velvet shadow]

Almost done, but the list so far

[prime lily]

If the rolling giant can be inside and outside does that mean he is in the pool of outside and inside enemies? So it affects the spawn weights of other inside enemies as well as outside ones by being added to their pool.

If it says max 3 on the map does that mean 3 inside and 3 outside or 3 in general?

[velvet shadow]

Separate pools yes, and the max is for inside/outside/daytime for the giant itself.

[prime lily]

So the max affects his presence on the map in general apart from if he in inside or outside?

[velvet shadow]

No, it's for each individually

[velvet shadow]

2.4.0

• Fixed the Rolling Giant's bestiary entry breaking when scanning the outside versions of it
• Fixed the Rolling Giant not being able to get on the ship
• Fixed the latency teleportation of the Rolling Giant on clients; now moves smoothly across all clients
• Fixed ai path issues if the player jumped or got onto a high place. Now the Rolling Giant paths to the closest point to the player if they are inaccessable
• Fixed the Rolling Giant damaging the player when clipping into the ship and the player is in the ship. Now it won't damage the player in this case
• Fixed ai type syncing between clients
• Fixed various ai types by syncing shared variables between clients
• Fixed LookingTooLongKeepsAgro where the Rolling Giant wouldn't move while the timer is partially completed
• Fixed LookingTooLongKeepsAgro where the time would restart when it switched players, or lost the player
• Fixed OnceSeenAgroAfterTimer where the time would restart when it switched players, or lost the player
• Fixed ai type timers resetting when the player jumped or went out of range
• Fixed the Rolling Giant's audio stuttering if it makes quick small movements to reach a location
• Improved the wandering speed so it will speed up to their max speed like their chasing state
• Rolling Giants past 1.2 size can no longer get onto the ship
• Rolling Giant scale now slightly affects their rolling audio pitch

[stoic zenith]

ur so cool for all of this specifically the 2nd to last tytyty

[orchid frigate]

At spawn of the giant my frame drops like crazy and game gets extremely laggy.

[velvet shadow]

Never had that happen on my end, and I just tested again to verify. Having it spawn doesn't change my perf at all.

[orchid frigate]

clip number 1, my fps is perfectly fine then rolling giant spawns in and oh suddenly its shit

clip 2, fps randomly goes low again, i suspect its the rolling giant spawning in again and i spectate monsters, and sure as winter there it is

[velvet shadow]

What mods are you using then? As I can't replicate it

[gusty topaz]

bit hard to read all that

[velvet shadow]

Looking into it. Also found an ownership and random collider bug that somehow never came up during testing

@orchid frigate by chance can you send your game's log when that happens? I think it is spamming a NetworkVariable error, but I would like to make sure

[orchid frigate]

Hey man, i'm sorry but I uninstalled the mod a few hours ago, playing with my friends atm but i don't mind reloading the game with the same mods again later to try it out and get the game log?

[velvet shadow]

No worries! Yeah whenever you want to throw that over, it will be helpful. If it is this error I found on my end, then I might end up pushing a patch in a few hours. But would be good to see it in case it isn't this error 🫡

[orchid frigate]

Alr i'll try to replicate it when I get time, nonetheless I really enjoy the mod!

[velvet shadow]

Ok I think I fixed the issue, will test more to verify

[velvet shadow]

I fixed it inside, but I can't figure out why outside is so messed up now

2.4.1

• Fixed an ownership issue that caused the Rolling Giant to spam errors
• Fixed an ownership issue that caused the Rolling Giant to not untarget from someone
• Fixed an ownership issue that caused the Rolling Giant to target people outside of the factory
• Removed capsule collider and added a box collider as it was causing issues with the Rolling Giant's attack
• Rolling Giants outside still don't work properly, but is getting worked on 🫡

2.4.2

• Clients properly get targetted during the roaming phase

Inside ones should be fixed now, but outside ones still aren't fully there yet for reasons I don't understand

[velvet shadow]

ok that time it worked outside

I will see if I can fix the outside version in multiplayer, but I might not be able to before my next work sprint. If someone else wants to take a crack at it let me know, wouldn't hurt to have another pair of eyes on it considering I'm still quite new to networking.

[velvet shadow]

Oh? I think I got a lead on what is happening

It seems like the moveTowardsDestination is randomly disabling

It works outside Just need to fix its speed being very low for some reason

If it instantly agros outside... is that terrible lmao

[stoic zenith]

not rlly i think thats cool

but not everyone might feel that way so is there a way u could like make it trigger after los like a giant

[velvet shadow]

True

[pseudo rapids]

I'm so glad you put my suggestion in the mod 🤩

[velvet shadow]

ok it definitely works now

@orchid frigate thank you for bringing up that error earlier though 🙏 I think I just fixed it all

[orchid frigate]

Good job man👍

[velvet shadow]

2.4.3

• Fixes outside ai!

Now I can chill for the next four hours for my birthday

[mild condor]

Happy birthday! 🎉

[left robin]

happy birthday!!

[prime lily]

the spawnoutside weight as pie chart belongs to the chart (pool) of outside enemies?

also: the size 1.2 and above can't get on the ship right?

Is it the case that the rolling giant doesn't wait at the ship all the time? it shouldn't be campin all the time i think. i had one kinda sticking to the ship at the same spot all the time

im wondering because the "SpawnInOutsideChance" works with "SpawnIn" according to the config. So does that mean the chance that it spawns inside first has to happen before the chance for it to spawn outside can happen? or are those actually seperate pools?

Because if SpawnInOutsideChance means that this value applies to all moons it would mean on every moon it has this one value as a chance. So it can spawn outside on every moon but not inside on every moon. Inside is customizable weight chances but outside isn't?

[fading lance]

happy birthday

[velvet shadow]

Thanks!

[prime lily]

is that correct?:
Vow:17,March:22,Rend:35,Dine:31,Offense:20,Titan:42,Experimentation:0,Assurance:10
or do you have to put a "level" in front of every moon's name?

[velvet shadow]

That's fine

[velvet shadow]

"he is not a friend"

[prime lily]

@velvet shadow .

[velvet shadow]

The game's spawn weights are separate weights for inside/outside/outside-daytime (going to call these regions) and they are separate pools. They don't affect each other via weight, and each region has its own max power amount. Each enemy spawned increases that power amount until it can't spawn anymore.

For the config I bundle the outside/outside-daytime into one value because it was just easier to deal with, but it uses that value between those two regions separately. SpawnInOutsideChance works with SpawnIn because it simply grabs the moons listed in there and assigns the outside chance for outside/daytime. And the SpawnInAnyOutsideChance will do the same thing with SpawnInAny enabled, and instead go for all moons.

[prime lily]

So I could see the rolling giant as part of this?:
is that the right thought process?

i set custom values ​​for vanilla monsters in lethalutilitites

[prime lily]

true?

[blazing vale]

Allegedly yes

[velvet shadow]

afaik yes, and that changes over time since I think the less picked ones get extra chances over time.

[velvet shadow]

Also yes

[prime lily]

huh? okay >.>

[edgy belfry]

hey uh

[velvet shadow]

huh

[edgy belfry]

is this ur friend that created the model

[velvet shadow]

Nah my friend threw a model at me to play with, thought they grabbed it from some free site somewhere 🤔

[edgy belfry]

oh no

[velvet shadow]

Ah I think I found where he got it from

Yeah their name matches, I'll add a credit for them.

[edgy belfry]

nice :D

[velvet shadow]

omg you have to push a new version to update the readme :/

[edgy belfry]

oof

[velvet shadow]

@edgy belfry alright I updated the readme

[edgy belfry]

thank you! 🙏

[sullen nest]

i loved this

[pseudo rapids]

Actually; I have an idea. I looked back at the top of the post; and realized that since it was a coil-head variant and it stopped when you looked at it. What if; it was like the coil-head; and once it got too close; it would slowly start to gradually gain speed like the thumper/jester?

[lilac tinsel]

Are you supposed to look at the rolling giant or not look at it

[velvet shadow]

Depends on the ai type :)

[lilac tinsel]

I have it on the default ai type but for some reason it still moves, even when I’m not looking at it

Unless I’m confused about the default and how I’m supposed to deal with it

Actually nvm figuring it out is half the fun I suppose

[clear trench]

is it possible to make it depsawn after like 20 seconds

[velvet shadow]

Not currently, no

[patent kiln]

Can you just type ‘all’ in the ai type?

[velvet shadow]

Yes

[clear trench]

So in the future will it be?

[velvet shadow]

Not really sure, as afaik none of the creatures, besides daytime ones, despawn. And the daytime outside version of the giant already becomes non-hostile when night-time comes.

[prime lily]

Does the "spawnin" option per moon mean it's spawn weight has influence on the inside just like on the outside if outside is true? if i set it to 10 on experimentation does that mean it can spawn inside with a weight of 10 just like on the outside with a weight of 10?

[velvet shadow]

Yes

[clear trench]

this can soawn on modded moons right?

also does it spawn from vents?

[velvet shadow]

Yes and yes (since it is just put into the same pools that enemies are put into) 👍

[clear trench]

ty

[clear trench]

can we kill rolling giants

[velvet shadow]

No

You can stun them though

[clear trench]

with a zap gun

?

[velvet shadow]

I think so. I know the flash bang does it, don't remember if the zap counts as a stun too

[clear trench]

oh ok

also

does the spawninany chance

override the spawnin chance

for the weights

[velvet shadow]

Yes

[clear trench]

ok ty

[shell island]

would it be possible to disable outside at day?

also, what happens if you said aitype to all?

also also, does this work on modded moons?

[velvet shadow]

not atm, not entire sure how the game does that either 🤔

Setting to All will randomly select from all ai types each time you go to a new moon.

And yes it works on modded moons 👍

[clever coyote]

Does only host need to change config? (Does it sync)?

[velvet shadow]

Host controls the config yeah, it syncs

[clever coyote]

Ok cool thanks

[timid mica]

Advanced Company has config options to specify Daytime / Outside / Inside enemies + on a per moon basis, so you might be able to get some deets on how to specify that for ole' Rollin' Tomassi here. Not sure how the game differentiates between Daytime and Outside, I would guess Outside is really nighttime outside.

[shell island]

yeah outside is nighttime

[velvet shadow]

What's that second item? Looks familiar

[cold arch]

Geiger counter from facility meltdown

[patent kiln]

ive noticed when the rolling giant kills someone, its unable to kill another person

[cerulean hare]

The ones outside or inside?

[patent kiln]

inside

[velvet shadow]

Got a video/steps to reproduce/mods being used/config being used? Never seen that with the latest version so I am unsure of what would be the reason of it off the top of my head.

(been super busy making the LC project patcher tool so just now saw your message)

[patent kiln]

Come to think of it, it may only be on modded interiors

This is my profile

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[clever coyote]

Awesome mod!

[velvet shadow]

Should be pushing an update today if testing goes fine with an option to change the ai type every X amount of hours, and a slight touchup to the MoveWhenLooking ai type.

[wraith sigil]

Perhaps I'm just unlucky (or lucky lol), but, is there a missing dependency for Rolling Giant? I have had the mod installed for over a week and have yet to see a single one. No other monster mods installed or any kind of monster behavior change except Yippee (gotta have Yippee xD). Thanks for any input.

[velvet shadow]

Doesn't have any deps. By default it shows up on most of the maps (not experimentation I think) with medium weights, so not sure why you haven't seen one 🤔 Can you check the log and make sure it is being loaded? And what does your config look like

[clear trench]

it does on experimentation but It hink thats cause i enabled it to spawn on e very planet

[velvet shadow]

Yeah that bypasses the list

[velvet shadow]

InverseCoilhead will have a nice improvement

[velvet shadow]

2.5.0

• Added AiTypeChangeOnHourInterval to the config so the ai type can change every X amount of hours
• The InverseCoilhead ai type will now move towards a player if it can't see any of them, until it gets back into line of sight

[ornate elm]

Is It killable?

[velvet shadow]

No, but it is stunnable

[exotic jacinth]

it feels like no matter how much i tweak his config several rolling giants spawn

i just went on a map after putting his limit to 1 and his spawn rate to low and 3 come out of a vent

[velvet shadow]

🤔

I just set the max value on the enemy type and the game does whatever it does with it. I'll see if it happens on my end. Using any other mods?

[exotic jacinth]

yeah but none that would impact global spawn rates or anything like that

the only other enemies i've added is shy guy and the immortal snail

[velvet shadow]

Nice

I'll take a look either after I eat or tomorrow (it's late). Maybe the field on them doesn't do what I thought it did.

[exotic jacinth]

it seems to spawn only 3 per level, so i can presume your config might work but i think it doesnt actually change the values if a player changes it

[velvet shadow]

weird

[exotic jacinth]

something i do notice about the config generation is a second file coming with it ending with .bak, i dont have that for any other mods

whats the .bak supposed to do?

[velvet shadow]

It's a backup

Since when I update the config file it removes dead fields and remakes it with the new ones (and keeps the old info)

[clear trench]

is it possible to make it so the rolling giant can only spawn after a certain time

[velvet shadow]

uhhhh not easily. Easily as in on the user-side, not the code side. Would need the curves to be in the config but those are a pain to modify in text format. Also would have to somehow convert the curves they have now into text format

[shell island]

Idea for an AiType, Spooky (i can't think of a better name)
Wanders normally until it spots a player. After spotting a player, it sits in place for 30-60 seconds. Afterwards, it gains omniscience. After encountering a player again, it will act like a coilhead for 30-60 seconds. Afterwards again, it will simply chase the player.

[velvet shadow]

@exotic jacinth I just tested with an insanely high spawn weight and 1 max, and it worked fine for me 🤔 So not really sure what the issue is on your end. I guess show your mod list and your config.

Not sure about that ai type tbh. Seems interesting but might be a bit too specific (if that even makes sense). Like there is one that does the first half (the waiting for some time before chasing). So probably wouldn't fit? Unsure

[shell island]

ah, alright

[mortal bay]

I'm not sure if this is intentional, but the "OnceSeenAgroAfterTimer" instantly kicks the Rolling Giant into full agro when it uses the hourly change config. Is the timer always a part of the giant's AI even when it's not set to this AI, or is this a bug?

[velvet shadow]

huh I guess I need an ai reset function. The modes share their timers, so I never really thought about it lmao. Good find

Ok I have a reset function now 👍 Will do a bit more testing but it is working

[shell island]

you should mayhaps rename the giant poster to Mysterious Poster
the "A poster?" name only shows up when you scan it, the drop prompt and bringing it into the ship show the actual name, being giant poster.

also, the giant seems to wander extremely slow, atleast when outside

[velvet shadow]

I noticed that when testing the timer thing above. Seems fixed as well

[shell island]

if ai type is set to change on hour interval, can it select the same ai type twice in a row?

[velvet shadow]

No

[velvet shadow]

2.5.1

• Fixed timers that didn't reset when ai types changed hourly
• Fixed some ai types slowing down dramatically due to timers not resetting

Thanks 👍

[clear trench]

awesome

[shell island]

even with spawn anywhere off, rolling giant spawns on custom moons

[shell island]

i noticed the rolling giant is missing a scan entry, could i write one for it?

[velvet shadow]

huh it has one 🤔

[shell island]

oh

i can't scan it

maybe if it's too big (size 6 for me) or outside then it can't be scanned?

[velvet shadow]

Oh yeah probably, I don't think the size of the node changes(?) or it's farther than the scan range or something

[shell island]

managed to scan it, though i would change this a bit.
||change Rolling Giant's Danger Level to just Danger Level, make the wireframe model not spin if you can, and maybe repeat the "See them again. Learn their stories." line a few times at the end of the log for some spookiness.||

also, what's the largest it can be inside before it clips into the ceiling?

on facility atleast

also if it loses sight of you with the "onceseenagroaftertimer" ai type, then it just seems to wander away

[haughty glen]

Is it possible to make the rolling giant open doors?

[exotic jacinth]

it already does

[velvet shadow]

(don't have the game open atm) but yeah it already does

[exotic jacinth]

hey are we able to disable any of his ai types?

i like them shuffling through all

but his constant chase mode is irritating when youre heavy

[velvet shadow]

List them in sequence to not have the one you want, instead of All

[exotic jacinth]

gotcha :)

[haughty glen]

weird, it doesnt seem to open doors in my games?

[exotic jacinth]

if its on custom interiors it may have a small bit of trouble

but it still should work

[inland robin]

MoveWhenLooking is not saving when I launch the game

Nvm, I got it working

[loud zenith]

how did you get it working? having trouble too

[inland robin]

I just set it to InverseCoilhead

[loud zenith]

hot

[hollow lance]

how do I make this work?

[glossy panther]

just use https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/AinaVT/LethalConfig/

its way more simple, and you can edit configs while ingame

[hollow lance]

I don't like the idea of configs in game

[glossy panther]

well you gotta deal w it then

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shell island]

what exactly do you want to make work

[hollow lance]

I just need to know what the correct typing format

[hollow lance]

the config value?

selecting all 5

[shell island]

there's a space between each ai type

after the comma

[hollow lance]

ah thanks

[patent kiln]

@velvet shadow i just wanted to confirm for a second time. i can put in the config "all" and it will use all of the ai types

all or All

[velvet shadow]

lowercase or normal, both work for me. So either is fine

When loaded, BepInEx seems to auto-convert it to All for you

[hushed marlin]

so down to the most simple compodents of this mod, its a reverse coil head? basted on the one of the videos i watched

[loud zenith]

I like it being reverse the best i think, tho it has other ai settings

[runic trout]

it has other ai settings, but inverse coilhead's a pretty good ai setting for it

i usually use OnceSeenAgroAfterTimer and LookingToLongKeepsAgro (i think that was the name)

since it can just stay still before chasing you forever

[haughty glen]

How would inverse coilhead be good? I don't get the appeal if u just let it follow u to somewhere far then it would just stay there forever no?

[runic trout]

it's better when you pair it something else tbh

like, if its nearby a coilhead you get kinda fucked

an offense spawn would def get you in a rough spot

also you can modify a lot about the rolling giant; speed and acceleration are some very interesting stats you can tweak to make certain ai types more dangerous

[haughty glen]

Oh that's good

[velvet shadow]

In a recent update I updated that ai type to where if it can't see anyone (like it's behind a wall or something), it will move towards someone before going back to only moving when seen (this was requested so it can't just be plopped somewhere forever and have zero harm).

[echo torrent]

Looking to (try to) begin work on my own enemy mod and wanting to use yours as kind of a baseline to understand how some of Lethal Company's code functions; is the Rolling Giant model not included in the github? If not, how would I add a placeholder model of my own?

[velvet shadow]

I have some partial files here that you can patch up with w/e project rip you use https://github.com/nomnomab/lc-rolling-giant/issues/5 Haven't had time recently to put the project I used in the repo (since it's a mess of assets with it being my first mod lmao). But the prefab/model/etc is in the link there, the scripts may need relinked and whatnot, but should get you going.

[echo torrent]

Totally fair, thanks! That helps me out a ton.

[velvet shadow]

2.5.2

• Fixed LLL spawning
• Fixed daytime variant's shader being missing (somehow)
• Fixed daytime variant, when disabled, not disabling audio

[shell island]

there's a daytime variant?

[velvet shadow]

Yeah, it's not enabled in the config by default.

[shell island]

what does the daytime variant have different from the regular variant?

[velvet shadow]

It turns off at night and looks different (when turned off)

[shell island]

how exactly does it look different?

[runic trout]

check for yourself

[shell island]

im lazy

[runic trout]

if i play tomorrow and it happens i'll show you

im also lazy rn

[runic trout]

played it today, this is what he looked like

[runic trout]

OH at night

i didn't see him at night :P

[runic trout]

ok so i played yesterday

looks very cool, i like how as it turns off it turns grey and carries over its momentum so it just slowly stops moving

[clear trench]

it would be nice to make it killable in the config

[velvet shadow]

He is so lovable, why would you want to kill him

[runic trout]

fr!!

[clear trench]

debatable

[cunning granite]

kook

[granite fern]

Hello! Im making a mod that is going to have a custom ragdoll but I'm having trouble implementing it. I've heard that this mod successfully got it working. If its true (and if you have the time), could you explain what you did to get it to work?

Currently Im trying to serialize a mesh and material to my enemy's AI script and replacing a killed player's deadBody mesh/material with it, but the serialized material and mesh end up being null for some reason

[velvet shadow]

https://github.com/nomnomab/lc-rolling-giant/blob/9c97ebf1cb02f050d1774ba039eca4d54fbcb93b/Plugin.cs#L149 I attach a custom component to the body to identify it later for my custom shader
https://github.com/nomnomab/lc-rolling-giant/blob/9c97ebf1cb02f050d1774ba039eca4d54fbcb93b/Patches/StartOfRoundPatches.cs#L14 I add the ragdoll to the list here
https://github.com/nomnomab/lc-rolling-giant/blob/9c97ebf1cb02f050d1774ba039eca4d54fbcb93b/Patches/StartOfRoundPatches.cs#L84 I override the material here to my own
https://github.com/nomnomab/lc-rolling-giant/blob/9c97ebf1cb02f050d1774ba039eca4d54fbcb93b/RollingGiantAI.cs#L530 I get the index here to pass into the death animation
@granite fern

[granite fern]

Ty!

good approach :) my dead bodies are going to be statues of players with various poses so the list approach will help a lot with indexing and choosing one randomly :)

[velvet shadow]

Nice! Glad to help 🫡

[runic trout]

this sounds super super cool and creative

[granite fern]

did you apply a dead body info script to the game object? Or just the mono behavior

[velvet shadow]

Not sure what you are asking

[granite fern]

oh nvm, you add the behaviour component in plugin and its not a dead player body object

bad wording, I was basically asking if the game object had any scripts tied to it or if it was just a model

[velvet shadow]

The dead body itself is just a copy of the spring one, and I modify the head in unity.

[granite fern]

ah. Did it have any components I would to get it to function as a dead body?

[velvet shadow]

The default ragdolls already has what it needs. I just duplicated one of the existing ones for my own. I didn't do anything else.

[wraith sigil]

I see InverseCoilhead AI type added in Changelog notes on ThunderStore mod page, but it is not listed in the Config section of the mod page under AI Types at all. Just a heads up.

[velvet shadow]

Oh right I never updated the changed name in the readme lol. I forgot about that

[patent kiln]

anybody else having issues with the rolling giant only able to damage the host

[velvet shadow]

I haven't noticed that myself

[patent kiln]

Interesting

Maybe I have some conflict

[runic trout]

after watching the oldest view, i finally get the reference

it turning grey is even cooler now 🖤

[wraith sigil]

I know this might sound like a dumb question, but: Is the new AI behavior type called "InverseCoilhead" or does "Coilhead" use this behavior for the config? I like the idea of it moving until it gets sight on someone and then stops again. Potential for cornering people and making them uneasy. (like The Oldest View Giant) (gonna need to test and set some custom settings on stop/start/momentum I'm sure)
As it's just a footnote in the version notes and not in the AI notes, I just wanna be sure I'm entering a valid AI type in the config and if the 2 are indeed separate options. Thanks.

[blazing vale]

Coilhead makes it act just like a Coilhead (plus the rolling and acceleration). InverseCoilhead makes it act like the opposite of a Coilhead, with the exception that it will try to move to get in a position where it has line of sight on you

[silver brook]

for lll purposes whats hsi name in config Rolling Giant, or Rollinggiant

[velvet shadow]

RollingGiant

[silver brook]

thanks

[undone remnant]

is the rolling giant supposed to have no animations?

[sullen nest]

its a statue

[fringe iron]

https://tenor.com/view/kane-pixels-the-oldest-view-julien-julien-reverchon-giant-gif-9683476715177616484

[wispy salmon]

I saw using this I my entire crew was scared shitless

[stark radish]

Guys, what size, speed and AI setting are you using to make it as similar to the original source as possible? I found it to ve to small, fast and nimble when i installed it, currently going with twice as big, half as slow, random AI

I wish there were a way to make him unable to climb stairs

[velvet shadow]

Something similar is the random movement when looking type, longer acceleration time (takes longer to speed up/slow down), and slightly bigger. So you seem to be pretty close already 👍

Yeah stairs are just normal floors so afaik they aren't unique to block movement onto them

[stark radish]

Acceleration sounds like the best way to give it that creepy charm, yeah, would 10 seconds be too long?

Btw thanks for bringing it to LC, your work is very appreciated

(We are back!)

[velvet shadow]

Might make it slower with the random movement duration (like if one is lower than the other) but probably would need some tinkering (if you use the dev menu mod you can hot reload the config as host to play around with it in the dev interior).

[stark radish]

Gonna try it with longer times between actions to see if i can make it corner my players rather than chase them, thanks for the imput

[stark radish]

is this format correct?

[velvet shadow]

Ye if the name is 1:1 that looks correct (I've never used the thunderstore gui for configs so dunno if it's different there)

[stark radish]

should be 1:1

you cant have both at the same time, only one picked randomly when we enter the moon, right?

[velvet shadow]

Ye

[undone remnant]

i thnk u need spaces after ,

[rocky matrix]

Did this work?

[stark radish]

Its Agro, not Aggro, and needs a space after the comma
On another note, Coildhead and Looking too long procs aggro works great together if you set AI type change to 1, very fun indeed

[analog jewel]

Hope this hasn't been asked before, does All work as a valid config value for spawn locations? Example All:100

Running a bunch of mods at once so trolling through logs can take a bit

[velvet shadow]

Nah, there isn't an All for moons in that slot. That would be done with the SpawnInAny and SpawnInAnyChance

[analog jewel]

Oh cool, gotcha

Thanks!

[naive zinc]

Does this work with v50?

[velvet shadow]

Not sure! I don't really play beta versions of games so I haven't tried 50 yet

[bronze flicker]

Honestly, this is the best monster better than any vanilla even in beta. If everyone had these standards. Wew. I feel like this mod is underappreciated even with 1.5 million downloads.

[clear trench]

were u able to conclude an answer?

[naive zinc]

No since i havent been Home in a few Days.

[tired aurora]

I can't for the life of me figure out what I need to put into lethallevelloader to get the rolling giant to spawn correctly. Can anyone help me with that?

[tired aurora]

Nvm this answers my question

^This doesn't seem to be working for me with LLL

[cerulean hare]

Can confirm RollingGiant is not working for v50. Well atleast for me.

[analog jewel]

ah jeez rick

115 mods loaded, gonna be real fun figuring out which ones are incompatible with v50

[velvet shadow]

2.6.0

• Upgraded to v50
• Fixed names of ai types in README.md

Known issues:

• The Rolling Giant can't get on the ship
• The Rolling Giant stutters when getting on top of something

I'll look into the new line of sight functions as they seem to have messed with the above, when I get a chance to.

[prime lily]

whats the difference between rolling giant outside and rolling giant outside daytime again? the rolling giant outside spawns only when its dark outside?

[velvet shadow]

daytime version turns into a statue when night time arrives

[prime lily]

okay i have another question. i wanna manage the spawn weight of the rollinggiant via lethalquantities. can i just set the spawn weight for it in the config to 0 or leave spawn settings blank so that this mod doesnt alter the spawn weight?

[zenith steppe]

I gotta ping this - maybe someone could pin it? 👀

[velvet shadow]

@mighty heart are you able to pin things

[mighty heart]

nop

i can only bonk your mod

[zenith steppe]

you could /jeb pin it i think

[mighty heart]

no

p

at least i cant

[velvet shadow]

[zenith steppe]

yeah i think only OP can

or a mod

[surreal kestrel]

I choose the "InverseCoilhead" behavior, it moves even when I'm not looking at it. Which configs do I need to change?

The problem is that he moves even if you don't look at him, he only accelerates when you make eye contact with him.

Probably this is not possible.

I will be grateful for your help.

[velvet shadow]

It will start chasing if it can't see anyone (otherwise it was too easy) until it regains line of sight, or if it is being looked at.

[elfin vector]

Does the size scale option actually change hitbox of the rolling giant, or only his model? If i put it to something like 0.5 - will it be easier to dodge him? (with InverseCoilhead AI for example)

[velvet shadow]

iirc it does affect the hitbox as well as the visual

[south maple]

I know many enemies were broken on the new update, but has anybody tested this?

[somber pecan]

they spawn and kill fine, fwiw. there might be small stuff borked idk

[runic trout]

something I noticed was that it spawns aaaall the time unless you set the value to 1 or 2

[prime lily]

whats the id for the rolling giant when i wanna put a value for it in the LLL config?

[velvet shadow]

The enemy name is RollingGiant but not sure what LLL needs 👍

[dire orbit]

Probably just that

it is the "code name" for The Rolling Giant correct?

[clear trench]

does mod still work

[somber pecan]

yes

[clear trench]

bet ty

[gloomy kestrel]

v73 might have broken this mod

[prisma marsh]

you don't say

[gloomy kestrel]

@blazing wind Can you make a updated fork pls. Pinging you because you forked lethal elements already.

[blazing wind]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[gloomy kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-begging-pretty-please-beg-on-your-knees-pray-for-mercy-gif-26344462

[blazing wind]

I be cookin some other stuff but uhhh

I thought someone already picked up Rolling Giant

Might be thinking of a different enemy though

[gloomy kestrel]

nah, not that I know of

[prisma marsh]

The fiend

(/j)

[gloomy kestrel]

Who picked up the fiend

[prisma marsh]

I dunno

[runic trout]

atomic, no?

[blazing wind]

I know not

[earnest shoal]

howdy. I'm the guy who put up the rolling giant fork for v73.

figured I should poke my head up somewhere.

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-obi-wan-hello-there-hello-hi-there-gif-21415258

[runic trout]

you're THE goat bro, tysm

[humble dune]

Does anyone have the rolling sounds?

[buoyant canyon]

Hey is the rolling giant working rn?
I got the RollingGiant_for_v73 mod but I think it isn't spawning

Does the original rolling giant mod also needs to be installed?

[mystic finch]

for me its spawning normally and i don't have original installed

maybe tweak spawn weights

[buoyant canyon]

I think it could be because it only spawns on some vanilla moons by default, I changed it so it can spawn on all the moons but I can't check if it works rn

[mystic finch]

i only play on modded moons and I didn't change anything he spawn very often for me

[gloomy kestrel]

V81 broke the mod 😭

[earnest shoal]

i'll take a look in the next week or two - I haven't bothered trying to update my modpack to the new game version yet

[dire orbit]

Jared Leto

omg wait

can you put that in it’s Scan subtext?

That would be hilarious

[earnest shoal]

wat

[humble dune]

Idek dude

[humble dune]

Wait... You're Murdertrain?