Model Replacement API & SDK

[silent patio]

exact same errors

doesnt happen for any other model

anyone who knows what/why this happens please lmk bc i have been trying to fix this for a while now

[prime galleon]

those look great

does anyone know how to make an object that is using jiggle physics make contact with other parts of the body? cause I have objects that just phase through and I'm pretty sure it is possible since I swear I have seen a model that does that

[little sandal]

trying to work on a mod with some short free time and randomly the model is now sideways when i use the setup model button, ive changed nothing so unsure why this is going on

[long hinge]

did you get any warnings or errors when you set up the humanoid rig

[little sandal]

closest thing i found was a log

but the avatar is fine, i made sure

only missing a few non required bones, being upper chest and everything on the face other than the neck and head

[hushed wharf]

Do jiggle bones require any pre-setup in blender or is it just something you can attach to a normal bone? Does it require multiple bones to function?

[long hinge]

You just tell jiggle physics which bone to start wiggling from and that's it. E.g you just tell it to wiggle the bone on the base of the tail and it will wiggle the rest of the bones on the tail.

[hushed wharf]

So say you have a chain of bones, you would only need to apply it to the base? And, assuming it’s applied somewhere in the middle, it would only wiggle the rest of the chain?

I.e. would only the tip of a tail wiggle in that scenario rather than the whole tail

[long hinge]

should be yeah

[prime galleon]

yeah, even better, if you only want the middle part to wiggle, you can apply jiggle to a bone and ignore a further bone in the chain and only those middle bones between will have jiggle physics (though the end will still move based on how the middle moves since they are connected)

[last oriole]

Have you tried reinitializing the model?

[little sandal]

yes

first thing i click after using "set up model"

[last oriole]

Weirddd

[last oriole]

Is the model tposing when you're rigging the bones in unity? I don't think this really matters maybe, but just trying to suggest that option.

[prime galleon]

I have just had this happen to me as well, I have no idea why

thought it might have been related to the toe bones, but no dice

I just unbuilt and rebuilt and it is ok now, no idea why

[last oriole]

unity be like that sometimes

[prime galleon]

have you tried initializing it again, that worked for me

like with another version of the asset

[little sandal]

^

When it reinitializes it just centers sideways on the feet like seen in the photo

[prime galleon]

yeah, I mean completely rebuild it with a new asset. Reinitializing just centers the feet, that is always how it has worked. If you look at the model, it's rotation is probably off at the top along I believe the x axis?

[lofty ravine]

i have two seperate custom model mods that both work correctly unless theyre in the same pack, in which case the one that loads second cant load any models

in the console i get this error while the second is loading

and this when i try and change to the model

[median rain]

I really wish I knew why, but restarting does tend to fix that problem. I think it's a bug relating to the unity editor, as everything I do should be completely deterministic.

[median rain]

Rename your assetbundles to something unique.

[little sandal]

I see, that was the first thing that I tried because I'm used to Unity being very buggy with lethal company mod development

[median rain]

All I know is that it has something to do with Materials. Personally I haven't had this issue, otherwise I could give better assistance.

[prime galleon]

keep getting this error and I'm not sure why

[prime galleon]

your assetbundle names are the same

when building the project in unity, make sure they are different. My guess is you left them both on templatebundle and didn't change that, I used to do that

basically, the game is saying it can't load 2 things into the same space at the same time

so the first one takes priority

[long hinge]

Is this making a new asset bundle or updating one?

[prime galleon]

making a new one

it also only does it with the one model

ok, I got it to work, but it required jank that is beyond human comprehension

I don't think modelreplacement likes it when you make a massive model

[prime galleon]

@median rain is there a way to get normals to load into the game?

[median rain]

Depends on what you mean by normals.

If it's something like your normals being inverted, you should be able to handle that in the material settings.

[prime galleon]

I mean normal textures, they show in unity but never load into the game

[hushed wharf]

For the jiggle physics, if I tell it to ignore a transform, will it ignore just it or its children as well

For example, I have two different parts of the body I want to have jiggle physics but they are not parented to the same bone. I don’t want everything in between to be jiggly but I also don’t want what I do want jiggle to get ignored

Would two jiggle rig scripts on the same object work or would that break things

[prime galleon]

ignores all children

[hushed wharf]

Ough

Would the multiple scripts thing work?

[prime galleon]

just make 2 instances starting from where you want them

yeah

[prime galleon]

dude, I have some models with like 20 jiggle scripts

or more

[hushed wharf]

Sheesh

[prime galleon]

yeah

sometimes, I want one part to have different jiggle than others in the same chain, or there are a lot or hair tufts or something

[hushed wharf]

Gotcha

[prime galleon]

oh also, if one of your bones is jiggling weridly at the end, try excluding the last bone in the sequence

[hushed wharf]

Gotcha

Shouldnt be too big a roblem since my chains are no more than 2 bones long

[prime galleon]

the end counts as a bone, that is normally what messes it up

unity just makes bones have ends sometimes

[hushed wharf]

Do you make your models in blender

[prime galleon]

no, but I port a lot from blender files

[hushed wharf]

Better question

Do you export as fbx from blender

[prime galleon]

I really should learn how to make models, I think I'd enjoy it/be good at it

[prime galleon]

yes

[hushed wharf]

Just turn off leaf bones in the settings

Disables that end bone thing

[prime galleon]

should remember that, now that you mention that, I have heard of that before

forgot though, long time ago and most of the time it isn't a problem anywyas

[hushed wharf]

Still a good tip to keep in mind

Also if you’re doing a lower poly model I’ve heard Edge smoothing is best for performance (geometry dropdown)

Keyword heard, I’m no pro

Also is an LOD required or is it just a suggestion

[prime galleon]

I don't use it

[hushed wharf]

K

[prime galleon]

time I tried to use it nothing worked, there is probably more there, but since I can't really find any tutorials or anything and it is working...

[hushed wharf]

Fair enough

[sterile kettle]

👀

[hushed wharf]

Bruh i got flagged for laughing at model dysfunction 😞

[sterile kettle]

I released you from prison, try not to bang your keyboard in a way that spells a slur, haha

[hushed wharf]

I spelled a slur?

What slur?

[sterile kettle]

Its a naughty word for gay people

[hushed wharf]

That is

An extremely overzealous flagging system

Likeno normal person would look at that and say “he’s trying to hide a slur get im bois”

[onyx meadow]

What did I just walk into

https://tenor.com/view/munsonated-gif-26549638

[sterile kettle]

Well there are only so many ways you can keep 40,000 children behaving, hehe

[hushed wharf]

I keyboard smashed in a way that happened to contain three bad letters in a row

Much to everyones displeasure

Anyway this is what i was laughing at

[hushed wharf]

Im really satisfied with how s m o o t h the belt rope is

Like that is 40 polygons max and it looks that smooth

[prime galleon]

this model up yet, or are you still working on it?

[hushed wharf]

This model in particular is up yes

I have others I’m working on to add as well

I didn’t know how to add categories because I’m a clown so it just doesnt

VoxelModelsForFriends, if you want it

[prime galleon]

@hushed wharf you should add some model pictures to the thunderstore page

[hushed wharf]

Idk how to do that

If I knew how to I would

Also what material would I use for something that I don’t want affected by lighting

I tried unlit but it just made everything a white mess

[prime galleon]

I believe you can change your materials to not have shadows and that will work

don't quote me on that though

[prime galleon]

<img src="[png name here]" width="700" height="671"> add this to your text file

needs to be linked to a site, probably upload image to imagur

[hushed wharf]

That’d be great if I knew how to do that

I’m used to working with Urp not hdrp

[median rain]

Don't quote me on this since it's probably not right, but Lit uses an albedo map, whereas Unlit uses a color map. Your materials which are designed for Lit are going to have their textures on the albedo map, but you would need to put them on the color map for it to work on an Unlit.

though if you're going for a nonrealistic unlit texture, I'd recommend using something like lilToon. I use it on my models, and it has a Lit/Unlit slider

[hushed wharf]

Definitely not going for realistic

My color palette is literally a 1px tall image

Like straight up this is the entire palette

Is tiny

(Thats for the wrong model but idc it gets the point across)

[prime galleon]

I believe there is a little check box, lemme find it real quick

sorry, it's on the objects in the hierarchy

recieve shadows

I typically leave it on since when it's off, you can see people through the darkness on maps

[hushed wharf]

thats exactly what im going for

two of the skins are literally fire spirits

[median rain]

Why not add an alpha then?

[little sandal]

okay, so i made a new project with a new install of the API tool and i get the same result with a new export of the model from blender

https://pastebin.com/5Ktb3ZDV

i do get this fbx import warning now though, that did not show before

[median rain]

That's unfortunate. There's really nothing I can do to help.

[little sandal]

just giving an update just in case,

haven't had a chance to work on it till now

[glacial ivy]

My default player model looks like this for some reason.
the replaced model itself looks perfectly fine and works well though. Does anyone know which one of my mods are causing this?

[prime galleon]

mate, I think your Unity is just bugged

[little sandal]

its a new install

[median rain]

That would be this mod. There's a bug that I've let exist for far too long where all of the LODs are showing.

[long hinge]

Your model is rigged right? Did you set up the armature and bones manually?

[little sandal]

Yes the rig is fine

Every version of the model up until this point work to just fine and now this current version of the model won't work at all but old versions will

There were a few stages that we went through when finding the direction we wanted to go in hence why there's multiple models

I was getting ready to work more on the mod in unity when after deleting the previous model and getting ready to set up a new one it went sideways

Today I tried to download the blend file again that I was sent once tilted was done working on it to see if maybe something I changed was causing the issue but it is now also affecting the base unchanged version of the model that was working fine before

Tomorrow I'm going to try clearing some temp files and also reinstall the version of unity

[hushed wharf]

Sorry, I finally got around to doing this. I don’t have that checkbox. I have a different checkbox that is already unchecked

Would setting a part of the texture as emmissive work or nah

Also why does the model keep doing that weird smear thing like when rendering is unassigned

[prime galleon]

that's the whole model, select a part of it

[hushed wharf]

No, it is a part of it

[prime galleon]

nevermind then

that's strange

[hushed wharf]

Would an emmision map work

Better question: why did this become irreveribly green when I did add an emissive map

[hushed wharf]

The texture file for that part of the face is blue, so I have no idea why it’s green

[prime galleon]

it's probably related to the glow color, not sure though

emmision does strange stuff sometimes

[hushed wharf]

Its not

When I remove the emission it remains green

And also a similar model with red and pink has no color issues

Well, yellow and orange and red and pink

But still no issues here

Like straight up it’s using the exact same material just with different colors

Idk what the problem with the blue one is

[hushed wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/plink-wide-cat-plink-cat-meow-gif-27396868

[prime galleon]

emmisive is glowing, so maybe? it probably won't work if you aren't using HDRP

[hushed wharf]

I am using hdrp

I had to to make the project

And it still doesn’t explain why it remains green even after removing the emission

Google is unhelpful too

[long hinge]

Any idea why this is happening?

[median rain]

Perhaps they just didn't parent the tanks to the model.

If it's not parented correctly, it will default to the 0,0,0 location of the map.

There have been similar problems in the past where people's legs weren't parented.

That's if I understand what's going on here, which honestly I don't think I do.

[hushed wharf]

What about my greenness

[median rain]

No idea. I'm not really an expert on shaders.

[hushed wharf]

Womp

[hushed wharf]

The issue seems to become worsened if I make the texture fully white, and even more if I set it to Point (no filter)

Imso confused

Nevermind figured out the problem

For future reference if anyone else has this problem set Non-Power of 2 to None

[prime galleon]

honestly, just make a new texture, i'd be faster

[hushed wharf]

Nah i fixed the problem already

[prime galleon]

ok

[hushed wharf]

The texture was too small so it was interpolating weirdly

Or something

[rustic hornet]

The following appears in console when going back into orbit:

[median rain]

Has this resulted in any strange behavior?

All it means is something no longer exists by the time the model replacement is destroying itself. But when you go to orbit the scene is destroyed, and the masked's model replacement is in that scene, so I wouldn't expect it to matter.

[rustic hornet]

Not that I've seen

[hushed wharf]

Is it possible to attach a particle emitter to a model or are there issues with that

[median rain]

Why not try and find out?

[hushed wharf]

Fair enough

[median rain]

To my knowledge any prefab should work, provided it doesn't have any custom scripts.

[hushed wharf]

I mean that makes sense

[median rain]

It's possible that particle emitters might not work given that we have to use HDRP, but that's just a random guess that's as likely false as true.

[hushed wharf]

I assume sound effects would require a different library mod entirely

[median rain]

Nah.

[hushed wharf]

Oh really?

[median rain]

Just put them in the same asset bundle you are already using.

[hushed wharf]

Oh sweet

I dont need to learn lethalsounds thank god

[median rain]

This implementation is slightly convoluted as I had a few sounds that I was cycling through randomly for emotes in Lethal Fortress 2, but you can see how I implemented them here.

https://github.com/BunyaPineTree/LC_LethalFortress2/blob/main/BodyReplacements.cs#L197

The Assets class is in plugin.cs.

[hushed wharf]

So i see

I’m not familiar with GetRandomAudio

[median rain]

It's some random function I made in the Assets class.

[hushed wharf]

Lemme guess

Files with similar names have an equal but random chance of being picked

[median rain]

I just made lists of AudioClips for each emote for each character, and populated all of those lists with sounds.

GetRandomAudio literally just takes a random audio out of one of those lists.

It's not terribly important.

[hushed wharf]

I assume it’s not possible to assign a “chance” to those clips. As in, high chance of clip A, low chance of clip B

[median rain]

Why wouldn't it be?

[hushed wharf]

Idk

Its your code

It wasn’t really made clear if it was List<> or a literal list

[median rain]

You can write whatever you want. The actually important things in that example is how to load AudioClips from assetbundles, and how to play audioclips in game.

[hushed wharf]

Now im confused

[hushed wharf]

This made me assume it’s a function I can call in my own scripts-

[hushed wharf]

But this makes me assume the opposite

[median rain]

Oh, no.

[hushed wharf]

Well shit

[median rain]

If you're loading custom assets like audio clips or whatever from your assetbundle, you'll have to write that yourself.

[hushed wharf]

I don’t know the first thing about that lol

[median rain]

We all start somewhere.

I think the first mod I made took me like an actual month.

[hushed wharf]

To be fair

You were also the one making the api

[median rain]

Oh I mean in general. It wasn't the API.

[hushed wharf]

Oh

Good grief

Any hints on where I can begin in terms of loading the audio files? I’ve been using Resources.Load for my personal project but idk if thats like incompatible with this or smth

[median rain]

Yeah I can help with that, one moment.

[hushed wharf]

Tysm

[median rain]

So all of the API stuff is in your BodyReplacement class, and a little bit is in your Plugin Awake(), so it actually gets registered to the game. The Assets class has nothing to do with the API, and is just a convenient method that I personally like for loading assets, like your model, and whatnot. So I decided to use it in the project template that you generate.

You can change it however you like.

Yours probably looks something like this

{
    public static string mainAssetBundleName = "mbundle";
    public static AssetBundle MainAssetBundle = null;


    private static string GetAssemblyName() => Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly().GetName().Name;
    public static void PopulateAssets()
    {
        if (MainAssetBundle == null)
        {
            using (var assetStream = Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly().GetManifestResourceStream(GetAssemblyName() + "." + mainAssetBundleName))
            {
                MainAssetBundle = AssetBundle.LoadFromStream(assetStream);
            }

        }
    }
}```

This is just the assets class that I took from the miku project.

What you want to do is store your AudioClip (or any other asset you have to load) in a static field, so you can access it from anywhere whenever you need it.

Then you want to load your audio clip out from your assetbundle in the PopulateAssets() function after your assetbundle is loaded in.

So it would look something like this

 {
     public static string mainAssetBundleName = "mbundle";
     public static AssetBundle MainAssetBundle = null;

     //Create a static variable to store your audio clip for when you need it
     public static AudioClip MyAudioClip = null;

     private static string GetAssemblyName() => Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly().GetName().Name;
     public static void PopulateAssets()
     {
         if (MainAssetBundle == null)
         {
             using (var assetStream = Assembly.GetExecutingAssembly().GetManifestResourceStream(GetAssemblyName() + "." + mainAssetBundleName))
             {
                 MainAssetBundle = AssetBundle.LoadFromStream(assetStream);
             }

             //Load your audioclip here

             MyAudioClip = Assets.MainAssetBundle.LoadAsset("MyAudioClipName") as AudioClip;

         }
     }
 }```

All I changed in here is like 2 lines.

[hushed wharf]

How would I actually get the audioclip to be stored in the assetbundle

I would assume I need to do something with it or put it in a place

After all you need to assign the models to the assetbundle

[median rain]

When you click on a asset, there's a window in the bottom of the Inspector that lets you put assets in assetbundles.

[hushed wharf]

Ohhhhh

[median rain]

If there aren't any you can choose from, make a new one, but be sure it has the same name as the assetbundle you specified in your project.

If your assetbundle is already there, obviously pick it.

[hushed wharf]

Yeah my assetbundle appears in the list

[median rain]

Anyways once you actually want to play your audioclip in game, you can do something like

controller.movementAudio.PlayOneShot(clip, 0.8f);```

I forget what that 0.8f is, you'll have to work out the details yourself.

[hushed wharf]

Pretty sure its either pitch or volume

Lemme check the doc

Its volume

Its clamped from 0-1

[hollow oracle]

btw I've made a PR to fix the OnDestroy having a nullref for naturally spawned masked enemies

[median rain]

Thanks, I'll pull it some time soon.

Probably actually fix that LOD issue while I'm at it.

[little sandal]

i found the issue @median rain

it was the file name

[median rain]

Excuse me, you renamed it and it worked?

[little sandal]

so, ig add that to the list of troubleshooting for that issue

yeeepp

i tried so many things in blender

[median rain]

How even?

[little sandal]

dunno

[median rain]

God I hate unity.

[little sandal]

i assumed a new project would not have any cache issues

[median rain]

I can't fathom what they're messing up but it's not nice.

[little sandal]

but ig maybe a globa; cache of something?

yeaaa very whack

wait i wonder,

the first time i tried the api around when it got the wiki i had this same issue and gave up

dident try too hard to fix it as i assumed it was just my rig or model

omfg

that is just a fix

flat out, re naming the file

[median rain]

Alright it's going in the FAQ, lmao.

[little sandal]

crazy stuff

[median rain]

I would love to test this myself, but thankfully I haven't had this issue show up the past few models I've worked on.

[little sandal]

yea, unity just out of the blue decided gaslighting was the way

okay, more info

its not the model name

its the name of the gameobject

good thing you gave the asset name option lol

[glacial ivy]

This only happens when Lethal Snap or TooManyEmotes is on. Otherwise its completely normal. Is there a fix to this or just gonna be an unfortunate incompatibility?

[hushed wharf]

probably an incompatibility, like how morecompany cosmetics bug out with TooManyEmotes

also,

            var dance = replacementModel.transform.Find("Happy_BearCave");
            var part = dance.GetComponent<ParticleSystem>();

            if (emoteId == 1)
            {
                head.gameObject.SetActive(false);
                dance.gameObject.SetActive(true);
                part.Play();
            }```
Unless I wrote this wrong, particle effects don't work with the API

granted the particles do use a mesh so idk if I have to load those somehow or anything but the mesh is included in the assetbundle so 🤷‍♂️

[median rain]

What you might want to do is install UnityExplorer and look at your actual particleSystem to figure out what's going on.

It's not a matter of working with the API so much as there being rendering issues in game, which uses HDRP.

I don't know if your particle meshes utilize materials and shaders, since I've never worked with ParticleSystem, but you may need to convert your particle materials to HDRP if so.

[prime galleon]

anyone know why I get this error?

[sonic atlas]

Btw @hollow oracle I should ask did you also look into why model replacers don't destroy sometimes when a player using one leaves the lobby? I noticed @median rain still hasn't gotten around to fixing this. I've also noticed with ModelReplacementAPI installed dead bodies sometimes cause lag as well when carrying them

[median rain]

I'm pretty confident that that is a morecompany bug.

[hollow oracle]

I've never noticed it whilst using MoreCompany so i dont think so

[median rain]

It's a bug that doesn't occur with only my API installed to begin with. Perhaps it's more visible when a model is left behind, but that doesn't mean that mine is the cause.

[sonic atlas]

It is a bug with your API it also happens only sometimes it's not constant

I've only ever seen it happen with model replacers

[hushed wharf]

It just uses a material, which is HDRP/Lit

[hushed wharf]

Is that even runnable on linux?

[median rain]

It's a mod that lets you view and modify gameobjects in game.

Can you run lethal company on linux?

[hushed wharf]

Yes

[prime galleon]

bunya, do you know how to resolve this?

[median rain]

No, I've never seen it. Perhaps try deleting the contents of your assetbundle folder.

[prime galleon]

there is nothing in there

I got it with another model earlier, and I just redid the whole model and it worked, but this one still won't

[median rain]

I couldn't say then. Any leads from looking up the error?

[prime galleon]

no. I worked around it by building another asset within the scene and exporting the files though, that works but it definitely isn't the
"correct" way to do it. the model works fine after doing that

I've done that once before with a massive model I had, but that one probably just didn't like how big the model was

[hushed wharf]

Both the mesh and the material say they’re loaded in memory. I’m not familiar enough with the system to be able tell if the texture for the material is loaded or if the Play() command is running properly

Wait yeah the texture is also loaded

So its just the particle system itself having issues

But idk why

[hushed wharf]

So my friend left while wearing one of the suits and the model stayed behind. It wasn’t tangible or interactible in any way, just a statue.

[sonic atlas]

Yeah it's a known bug but Bunya seems to not think it's a bug with MRAPI even though it is a MRAPI bug with V50, cus it happens inconsistently

[hushed wharf]

Interesting

[median rain]

If you can point out where in the code it is caused from, I would gladly fix it.

I've tried debugging it, but who would have guessed, it doesn't happen with only the API installed.

[little sandal]

hey hey so having a very big strange issue since i updated to v50

having the SDK package installed into my unity project breaks my mod and stops it from fully loading and i cant use my scripts

but if i remove the package and just use the .dll for the mod it loads my mod just fine

[median rain]

What are you doing with the SDK?

I'm not 100% following what the issue is

[sonic atlas]

I'm hoping @hollow oracle can help you with this, cus I can't say why it happens sometimes lol

[little sandal]

its just in the project

its presence is the issue

without the SDK and with the mod dll. it works and loads fully, no errors

when i have it installed as normal via the package manager though, my mod does this

and only loads one script and its not one i even use on prefabs for my asset bundle

[median rain]

Your VS project and unity project are two seperate things and should be kept separately. VS cannot compile the unity scripts and unity cannot compile the VS scripts, leading to issues like this.

[little sandal]

?

then how do i make my prefabs

or add the needed scripts onto my femployee

and it worked before v50

[median rain]

You can't add custom scripts onto your prefabs by base in unity. They aren't serialized in assetbundles. You have to add them manually to your prefab during runtime.

[little sandal]

i had 0 issue doing it before

there were 3 prefabs that i made withen unity to pack into the bundle

and i also added scripts onto the model before building the model

i was also told this is how you do it

[median rain]

I see, I thought you meant custom scripts.

[little sandal]

they are scripts from my VS project

i just need to add the references onto the game objects

like this script, it goes onto the model itself that the API spawns in

[median rain]

So you do mean adding custom scripts.

[little sandal]

idk

[median rain]

That doesn't work by base. I can guarantee you that. If you got it to work in the past then it was done through assembly references.

[little sandal]

this is just how everyone told me do to prefabs with scripts

?

wdym through assembly references

[median rain]

If you have a custom script in unity, and you want it to appear in game, you have to tell unity where to get that custom script from, because unity doesn't allow scripts to be serialized into assetbundles. Assembly references tell unity to look inside your mod .dll for that script.

[little sandal]

oh

[little sandal]

yea

thats what i ment here

[median rain]

If you put that FemmployeeSettings monobehavior on your prefab in unity, and import it in game, you must go through that workflow.

As for getting that to work, it's a rather involved process, and I can hardly help you with it.

[little sandal]

the scripts are made in VS

i dont make them in unity

[little sandal]

i drag these on

i make the scripts in VS then build the mod, add the .dll into the unity project then attach the reference onto the prefabs as needed

[median rain]

That's not something I'm familiar with. If it's not working all of a sudden then I don't know what to tell you. the SDK wasn't updated for v50.

[little sandal]

guess im SOL then,,

[little sandal]

@median rain welp it was another unexplainable thing

namespace

of the 2 main files

the last version of mod used the default "ModelReplacement" as i forgor to change it when i generated the project with the SDK

this time i used "FemmployeeMod" and that was it

[median rain]

That would do it

[prime galleon]

my model is assigning the foot to the lower leg for the model replacement despite the fact that in the rigbuilder the bones are assigned correctly

is there anyway I can fix it or manually override it?

like is there a way to move the bone rotation offsets or something?

[median rain]

By rigbuilder do you mean your model's avatar?
Of course you can simply change your foot to be your foot on your avatar, but if that for some reason can't be done then yes, you modify the offsets.

You click on your model's transform that corresponds to the foot and there should be a script you can modify that specifies the rotations.

I was trying to also make to where you could rotate it via the widget to adjust your offset, but for unkown reasons that completely failed.

[hushed wharf]

Weird thing: I have a check for if my model returns null, but for some reason the model both triggered the non-null state while still being null.

Also considering it’s literally in the project i don’t even know why its returning null

Also fun fact, this model was previously working. All i did was change its name

Eh whatever it was just gonna be a bonus thing to keep I guess ill just cry about it

[median rain]

That's a material problem.

I'm pretty sure in this case it's unity not packaging your materials into your assetbundle for some reason, so when the API goes to grab your materials they return null.

People in the past have been able to fix this by manually adding their materials to their assetbundle to ensure they get packaged, but it also hasn't worked for some people.

Just another case of unity doing incomprehensible things.

[prime galleon]

the bones are rigged correctly, but for some reason, it has moved the leg rotation to the foot, and the foot rotation to the toes. so when the model is imported into Lethal Company, the "knees" are the ankle

[median rain]

The way rotations are transformed from scavenger to model is extremely simple and exclusively pulls from your avatar. The only way that can happen is if the avatar isn't mapped correctly, which if you did automatically, is very possible. Unity frequently makes mistakes with the automatic mapping process.

[prime galleon]

I manually adjusted it

that's why I'm not sure what is up

honestly this is an outlier and I have no idea why it is doing this. I might just scrap the model since this is so specific. I just wanted to know if there was any actual way to fix this

[median rain]

You can change your rotation offsets, like I mentioned.

[languid oyster]

Yeah I can verify for me this only happens with this API installed and using MoreSuits models that use it. For me it happens literally every time though. It's super consistent for me and it's frustrating cuz my friends love furry mods and some won't play without them, but if someone DCs or goes to bed when standing in a terrible place, their giant model is obscuring stuff the rest of the night. It also makes headcounts hard in a pinch when rushing to leave if the person shared a skin with one someone uses later. And it's just... overall annoying and creepy

Poked in to see if it was fixed yet but guess not ;o; I don't know anything about coding or anything so I have no advice on fixing it, I only know it didn't happen to me before v50 and it does NOT happen unless the person is using a custom model. Anyone using a MoreSuits skin that is not a model replacement leaves with zero trace just fine.

[primal pier]

I suppose a temporary fix is to always ask people who are using such models to swap to a default skin just before laving

[limber hull]

Can the bundles be extracted once they are made? I wanted to see what another mod creator used for shader settings etc.

[median rain]

No but you might be able to view that in unityexplorer.

[prime galleon]

does anyone know a unity plugin for mouth movement with mic activity?

[hushed wharf]

I dont think you actually need a plugin for it

Its just a lot of scripting

Could probably mess around with rotation/translation and lerping for the mouth bone/object multiplied by the dB of your mic input or something like that

[median rain]

I know I've seen people achieve that before, but I can't recall any specific mods off the top of my head.

If your model has vocal shapekeys, you can probably run a script on update that measures the volume of your sound emitter and sets the shapekey value accordingly.

[prime galleon]

I know the lightning mcqueen and Loona models both have it

[median rain]

Oh, then why not just look at their source?

[prime galleon]

something called jaw sync

on both of them

I'm going to be honest, I don't know what I'm looking for

[median rain]

The lightning mcqueen one seems to actually have a class named something like jaw sync in their source code, that they add as a component onto their model. Your best bet is to study that class and implement something similar to it.

Yeah, they add it in the AddModelScripts() section. The implementation is a bit lower than that.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/JiggleMakers/LightningMcQueenModel/source/

[hushed wharf]

Probably stupid question

How easy would it be to replace the arrow thing above the player that the ship map uses

If even doable with the API

[paper hearth]

that’s not something this mod does. this mod just replaces the player model. hence the name.

[hushed wharf]

Well technically the name is just “ModelReplacementAPI” and not “PlayerModelReplacementAPI”

Which is why I asked

[prime galleon]

yeah, that is something else different entirely

are there any mods that do that actually?

[paper hearth]

yeah but this mod only deals with player models..

i’m sure the arrow thing is moddable, but not sure if there’s any mods that deal with it

[median rain]

That arrow is literally just a model on the player's gameobject that is set to a layer only the map can see. It would be really easy to replace. Just make sure you put it back to how you left it in your BodyReplacementBase.OnDestroy()

[sonic atlas]

@median rain Do you plan to push that update with that pr soon that 1A3 pushed for you? I notice that I see that OnDestroy error a lot in my logs when masked enemies spawn lol

[median rain]

I'll get to it not too early, nor too late, but only when the time is right.

[sonic atlas]

Lol I just hope to see that update come soon c;

[full night]

@median rain what's the deal with the .Networking project? is it / may it ever be viable to use to network a player model?

[median rain]

It's going to be an optional plugin that will do things like synchronize the person a masked is impersonating, allow people to select models without needing to use the rack, and maybe also serve as enemy model replacement sync.

[full night]

also - out of curiosity - how does the selected model propagate (sync) over the network? I had a quick glance over the code on GitHub but couldn't find anything glaringly obvious

[median rain]

Though I'm still uncertain on whether I want to do enemy model replacements. People seem to be getting by just fine without an API.

As a client side implementation, it synchronizes using the suit index, which is rife with flaws, but it works well enough if everyone in the lobby has the same mods.

[full night]

They weren't for a while 😂 I think 'hkw do I make an enemy model replacement' is still the most asked question in #dev-general - but yeah, I agree, it's quietened down

[full night]

how is the suit index sent over the network ?

(yikes that it uses suit index 😭)

[median rain]

It's managed in the PlayerControllerB, which is a network prefab, so is synced automatically in game.

[full night]

It's a network variable?

[median rain]

Not one I implemented. it's base game.

[full night]

or a collection of RPCs?

[median rain]

variable.

[full night]

aye, I understood that part

[median rain]

RPCs are insanely unreliable, so I do checks frequently.

[full night]

zeekerss used a network variable ?!?!

[full night]

I wouldn't say that, just that they shouldn't be used for syncing values / state haha

they are reliable just misused

[median rain]

You would be shocked. I initially hooked into the RPC for when a suit is changed, which is essentially how suit index is set, and yet it still only worked some time.

Anyways, is there anything in particular you're interested about?

Syncing with suit ID's isn't really a nuanced topic.

[full night]

it sounds like it isn't a network variable, that it is a variable with a collection of RPCs being invoked to sync the value

[full night]

trying to figure out order of execution for network-y stuff, got a person invoking an RPC from the Awake of a behaviour inside a model replacement prefab , and it seems the model replacement hasn't been instantiated yet on the client when the client tries to execute the invoked RPC

[median rain]

Is this issue every time you put on a model, or only when you switch from one model to another?

[full night]

it's whenever their particular model is initially equipped

'they' being the model author

the issue is a them issue, trying to get context to help them fix it

[median rain]

Well a delay is simply unavoidable seeing as the values need to be synced.
I update a person's model on update if the suit ID changes, it's very possible that when someone changes their suit, that won't be reflected on other clients until some number of updates after.

I do feel like invoking an RPC from Awake should be designed to account for that, though. I don't know what they're doing so I can't really say more than that.

[full night]

Ehh, no, because the model replacement itself can't have network behaviours

so it instead invokes an RPC on another (already spawned) network behaviour

then on the client-side the RPC looks up the behaviour that it expects to be on the player model once the model replacement is applied

but the behaviour isn't there yet

which is consistent with my hypothesis and your confirmation, so just need to work around it somehow

[median rain]

Oh that's simple.

[full night]

could always go with a polling solution, it just feels janky

[median rain]

When the RPC is invoked on client, defer your logic until after some coroutine confirms the existence of the model replacement.

[full night]

yeah, polling solution

so there's no more elegant way?

[median rain]

Nope. There's nothing I can do about that. I'm sure you've already looked through dnspy, but in lethal when some RPC is called, it's called on the client at the same time as it calls to invoke for other clients, so the frame that a model replacement is put on will always have delay.

I didn't know it was a whole update.

But I think a coroutine really is the simplest and most straightforward solution.

Some

If(!ModelReplacementAPI.GetPlayerModelReplacement(playercontrollerb)) {yield return new WaitForEndOfFrame();}

// Your stuff here

Ah, that should be a while loop, actually. But you get the idea.

[hushed wharf]

Idk if this is the right place to be asking but I’m having a lot of issues with the Toon Shader and google is extremely unhelpful as always.

1. There is a persistent white glow that I can’t figure out out how to remove.
2. The base map always renders black.
3. The outline refuses to change color and for some reason increases in size the closer it is to the camera.

The toon shader also isn’t under the HDRP category for some reason either even though the unity website told me that’s where it would be downloaded to, but I don’t know how much or if that matters

Image shows all 3 errors occurring at once

[little sandal]

Just had a very interesting moment was play testing our mod and when a player died I picked up their body only to start levitating into the sky

I assume this is a known bug? Kind of like the other related bugs with weird corpse physics

[sonic atlas]

Yes this mod causes really weird behavior with dead bodies

idk why lol

[little sandal]

i dont blame the mod

its one of those "it isss what it issss" things

ill make sure to include a note when its uploaded to TS

it was so sadd tooo, the player helping me test got dogged then i was clutching up getting their body last.
i was already super low from a early thumper so the short drop killed me and we lost like 1.5k of built scrap

still very funny though 👍

[sonic atlas]

Lol it actually needs fixed @little sandal because of moments like this XD https://clips.twitch.tv/ShakingVastHyenaSmoocherZ-QgSuh-W33GsjvwC2

[little sandal]

eyeeep

thats the same thing that i got

send that clip in the femmployee thread

very funni lol

i wonder how much of the jank can even be fixed without just properly replacing the model

but i think the current method is the best for what the API is meant for

[sonic atlas]

The fact it happens with vanilla bodies though

Lol

[little sandal]

oh it does?

[sonic atlas]

That was a vanilla body I picked up there

XD

Not a model replacer

[little sandal]

yea was about to say after watching again just now

so its the api, but NOT the models

[sonic atlas]

Yes

LOL

[little sandal]

something it does to the base player then ig

well i send the gud coding vibes for finding the fix some day!

[languid oyster]

Corpses freak the fuck out with the api and models get left behind when people DC. Pretty common happenings. I've had the freak out send me to the sky and kill me to gravity more than once XD

[sonic atlas]

Yeah I keep hoping these issues will be fixed whenever Bunya merges 1A3's pr

[median rain]

lmao, that is pretty funny.

Do you know which model was being worn in that clip?

I can check and see what I can do about it.

[sonic atlas]

It was the default scavenger

XD

Custom suit lmfao

[median rain]

I'm talking about the guy who picked up the body, not the ragdoll.

[sonic atlas]

Oh I picked up the body, I was wearing the default scavenger model

XD

[median rain]

I'll look into it once I have the time. Maybe it has to do with the lod issue that currently exists.

Also 1A3's PR only serves to remove some messaged from console. It doesn't fix anything.

So that bug will unfortunately have to remain until whoever caused it fixes it.

I would have fixed it if it happened with just my mod installed, but I did some testing with a friend and it doesn't, which means it's a compatability issue caused by someone else.

[languid oyster]

Is it something about MoreCompany or something common then? It happens on even my simpler lists

I have no idea cuz before v50 everything worked perfectly but after v50 virtually every mod updated so it's hard to track it with a time line otherwise

[median rain]

I believe so. I also have a bug report in github that states the same.

But I haven't had the time, (or my friends' time) to do real testing on the matter of which mod causes it.

[little sandal]

i didn't have that mod when my game decided i needed to fly

that is my plugins folder if that helps narrow it down to any outside causes

[median rain]

We were talking about a different issue.

I've adjusted the lods. If that hasn't fixed it, then I can't say what would. I don't really touch colliders, or anything to do with the base game model other than rendering them.

[little sandal]

oohh sorry mb!

[sonic atlas]

@median rain So interesting scenario, @cinder oriole can't be thrown by @elder hill's Driftwood anymore after the MRAPI update XD

Maybe it's a coincidence but he's the only one and he's wearing a model replacer

[sonic atlas]

Yeah no it happened again lol

@elder hill any idea why model replacers can't be thrown after the newest update? It doesn't sound like anything was changed that should be breaking your mod lol

[prime galleon]

I have never had any of these problem with this, so I imagine it is the combination of this mod with something like more company. I hardly run more company, the worst problem I have ever had is body desync where the ragdoll is in a different position for different players.

[hushed wharf]

Is there an easy way to remove/replace the mask from a masked replacement model, or at least move it? Due to the way my models are proportioned it just kinda floats in the air above their heads and it looks super goofy (i don’t have a pic for this)

It also likes to desync and not show the same player model for everyone (when spawned as masked)

[hushed wharf]

Could be a morecompany issue

[median rain]

Well just wonder to yourself how a clientside mod can sync the masked playermodels.

If the masked is mimicking a player already, like someone who puts on a mask, or gets eaten by one it's always synced, but if there's just a masked out there without a mimick target it's set to random.

And by nature of a client side mod, that part can't be synced.

[elder hill]

In relation to this, lethal emotes api broke compat by having a sphere collider added to the player prefab I believe, if modelreplacementapi did smthn similar recently then I cant turn off kinematics

[median rain]

But that's a pretty good point. That was something I planned for, but forgot about. Thanks for the reminder.

[median rain]

I do add a collider, but it's specifically set to the layer that is used for nametags to appear over people's heads, and unless zeekers changed their layer masks in the recent update, doesn't interfere with things like enemy targeting.

However, some mod makers don't set up their colliders for jiggle physics correctly, and that is something that's known to cause issues.

And is also nothing I have control over.

[elder hill]

Ah that's a rip then

I'll have to switch over to using external forces anyway

Switching kinematics off hasn't been a great reliable method

[median rain]

What in specific are you talking about?

Not sure I understand what kinematics means here.

[elder hill]

My enemy targets a player, grabs, turns their rigidbody kinematics off, and adds force to throw them in an upward direction

[median rain]

Ah, got it.

[median rain]

Sorry I had to take care of something.
I assume your issue is that there are colliders getting in the way of your raycasts, preventing you from actually getting the character.

If so, a possible solution would be to raycast to the layer that the nametags are on, I think that's layer 8?

In that case you would capture base game models, as well as model replacements.

On my nametag collider I have this monobehavior ModelReplacementBase.RaycastTarget

{
    public PlayerControllerB controller = null;
    public BodyReplacementBase bodyReplacement = null;
    public GameObject modelObj = null;

    private void Update()
    {
        if (bodyReplacement == null && modelObj != null)
        {

        }
    }
}```

If you end up getting my collider in the raycast, you can get the corresponding playercontrollerb by accessing its controller field, and from there get the rigid bodies, or whatever else you need to get.

[hushed wharf]

Then is there some way to make it A: not naturally spawn with one of the skins in the mod and B: re/move the mask model for the manual interactions?

[elder hill]

Shouldn't be the problem, was sleeping but I already have the player from way before they're being thrown as a network variable

[median rain]

Configuring the mask is in the list of things I may or may not implement. Making the masked just not use skins won't happen, though.

[hushed wharf]

Making the masked not use skins sounds more like something on the coding side of things and I was more questioning if it was feasible for me as an individual to implement rather than something you implement on your side of things

Although it does bring up the question of why the masked can naturally spawn with modded skins but I never see them with vanilla ones

[median rain]

Well the purpose of the masked is to fool you into thinking it's a person. Internally, masked can be mimicking a player or not. If they aren't mimicking a player than I assign them one to mimick at random. If that player is wearing a model, then the masked take on that model, if they aren't, then the masked will use its base game model.
I would assume that just means you're using a model when they spawn.

If I didn't do it that way, then masked won't really fool anyone.

Though it's not a very accessible system. You can probably write a patch if you want that will prevent a masked from putting on your skin in specific, but I'd ask that you don't write a patch that removes it entirely, so as not to damage other people's experience.

[hushed wharf]

That’s kind of extremely subjective, I don’t think masked have ever fooled me outside of the very first time I’ve encountered them

But since you say it’s not very accessible i may as well not bother since I’m terrible with stuff like that

[stark fern]

Ok so I've been trying to make a model replacement mod and I've been having some troubles, I've been at this for 6 HOURS NOW so i NEEED HELP.

I've followed this tutorial to a T and yet at the very end when I put the file into my "BepinEx\plugin" folder with the other mods and run it, the suit skin shows but the model does not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9itEmQ2-6s

I've also used the tutorial on the ModelReplacementAPI github but had the same result. The only errors I've seen are in VSC and idk if those are the issue or not.

got these errors, and as you can see the model doesn't show.

[median rain]

Show whatever errors appear in the console at the time of putting on the suit

[stark fern]

ok one second

[stark fern]

got this

im pretty sure the assetbundle name was correct

ill send the vsc file

[median rain]

So long as you didn't change the name it's correct.

Can you confirm that you actually have an assetbundle, and that your prefab is in the manifest?

[stark fern]

yeah my assetbundle is here with the other stuff

[median rain]

What about the manifest?

[stark fern]

its here but the tutorial didnt touch it so i never messed with it

[median rain]

No, does belbundle.manifest actually have your prefab in it?

[stark fern]

this one? i cant tell i havent opened this one either

[median rain]

Well, all you have to do is open it and see.

I'm not seeing any issues with these.

[stark fern]

should i try remaking the bundle?

[median rain]

Frankly I couldn't say what the issue is. Perhaps.

To make sure, inside BodyReplacements.cs, your suit name string is "spaceGirl", right?

[stark fern]

its " string model_name = "Bel"; "

is that the problem

[median rain]

probably.

[stark fern]

ok ill go rebuild and see if this works

thx for helpin btw

ok so.... i dont have any errors in the terminal anymore however my model is completely invisible.

looks like its working tho, if im using TooManyEmotes then i can see the custom suitl but the actual model itself is invisible

WAITT

I SEE MY MODEL

ITS LIKE 5 MILES AWAY FROM MY BODY

better image to show the problem

[stark fern]

I've tried remaking the bundle in Unity but to no avail, any help???

[median rain]

Lmao. Does it move or is it always stationary?

[stark fern]

it does move, if i go up it goes up with me

[median rain]

That has something to do with the position offset of your model, which is something you need to sort out in unity.

[stark fern]

is there a reference to what it should be? I'll send a pic of the model properties if that helps

this is such a weird bug cause evrything looks A-okay in unity, i've gotten no errors and it fits the playermodel

i also dont see another model in the air or offscreen

[stark fern]

yeah, no nothing in unity is leading me to any solutions... it's literally exactly how it is in the tutorials

changing the position and root scale did nothing

[stark fern]

If i rotate the 3d model stays in the same spot

i'll show an example and hopefully this gives clues to whats causing this

ok NEVERMIND, this shits incredibly weird

im sending a vid, its like the model is faster than the player or some shit

no other model does this, heres a vid just in case

[stark fern]

log gives 0 clues

[stark fern]

I WAS RIGHT, SOMEWHAT.
I'll send another video. look it's like it moves at double the speed of the player. i managed to almost make it to the model

HOPEFULLY this helps. cause idk what causes this at all

[median rain]

I guess there's a first time for every bug.

I've got no idea what could cause this, but I suspect it has to do with the hip bones on your avatar.

Could you send a screenshot of your humanoid avatar, and the hierarchy of your model's armature?

Maybe there's something weird going on there.

[stark fern]

thats what i was thinking but like the model isnt disfigured, i'll send a screenshot of the bones

vid if this helps

[median rain]

I doubt this will help, but consider setting s2 as the chest transform.

Do you have any IK components on your model, or any other component that may not need to be there?

Looks like your root transform is set up correctly, so that shouldn't be the issue

[stark fern]

theres a phone attached to her hand

could that be it?

[median rain]

Doubtful.

I mean monobehavior components. You would have to exit the avatar screen and look at your transforms in the inspector.

Seeing as you have IK bones, maybe there's some residual component that's messing it up?

[stark fern]

ok so im gonna try this: deleting every extra bone except the root and see if that fixes something

[median rain]

Sure.

[stark fern]

nothing happened, got the same result

i thought i was onto somethin too 😭

wait... the bones never deleted themselves, unity bugged

you know it might be a unity bug, i used the latest version of unity but it could be broken. what version did you use?

[stark fern]

yeah no, didnt work

[stark fern]

wait i downloaded a preview version... that might be it

i'll download the official version and see what happens

idek why they have the preview version as the first thing you see when you type unity download

[stark fern]

ok starting over from scratch, ill see if the problem happens on this unity build

[stark fern]

I've been at this for 12 hous now.... this'll be my last attempt and then i'll just try again later

[stark fern]

... i hate unity

ok it works, its set to the default suit instead of the moresuits but ill do that later....

[median rain]

Don't we all. It's insane to me that a preview version just works differently.

And that differently, especially.

[stark fern]

yeah, im glad it's workin now tho, thanks again for the help

[gloomy cairn]

So, is it possible to literally replace the player model, rather than using the crutch of costumes?

[median rain]

If by that you mean replace the playermodel mesh, you're free to try, but I wouldn't recommend doing it that way.

[gloomy cairn]

Any ideas on how to do this most correctly?

[languid oyster]

I know Lethal VRM does something like that but it can cause issues.

My group had models showing wrong for other players, errors when some of us didn't want to manually add them and opted for vanilla, etc. Especially if masked mimics spawn of the player. We had a player with a super good pc lag to basically a stop in a place with high mimic spawns in the instance, etc.

This way has scuff too but it's way more tolerable

[hushed wharf]

I have a bunch of alternate face textures stored in the assetbundle, would I need to load them somehow before calling their filenames or is it fine as long as they’re actually in the bundle

And if I do need to load it, where?

[median rain]

Load them in Assets.PopulateAssets() and assign them to a static property in the Assets class.

Then whenever you need them in the future, just pull them from that static property.

In my opinion that is the absolute best way to do it, but I mean, if you want you can just load them from the assetbundle as you need them.

[hushed wharf]

I think I’m gonna go with the latter due to the sheer volume of face assets

Like seriously theres 14 per model

[median rain]

Are you changing the face texture instead of using something like shapekeys?

That's rough

[hushed wharf]

Never heard of shapekeys before

Straight up didnt know that was a thing

But yeah its just a bunch of face images slapped onto a plane in front of the face model

I would’ve taken a better pic but I need to get ready for my grad ceremony so i just dont have time

[hushed wharf]

Any idea what could be causing this mess? (This error seems to have called every frame because it goes on for a hot minute)

(2nd image is in 3rd person)

If i need to send the absolute abomination that is my c# class I will

[hushed wharf]

Decided im just going to

nvm disregard i fixed my own problem (and found a new one but its my own fault for not adding debug logs

[long hinge]

Wahey. @/realcanad1an helped in providing some code snippets from a mod he worked on that implements mouth movements. Apparently it's just adding a dependency + adding some code. No other mod dependencies needed.

[median rain]

I wasn't aware such a plugin existed. That's pretty cool.

[frank spear]

Please leave me step-by-step instructions on how to create a costume skin for the game.

[delicate glade]

does anyone have any experience impementing their own model replacements with ModelReplacementAPI? I'm currently trying it with a few existing models that either came with a rig, or i rigged myself but no matter what i use the rig is NEVER the same ingame as it is in unity/blender, and its starting to drive me crazy
the one i just implemented i tested every individual bone and they seem to work perfectly but ingame almost all of them have horrid offsets that cause weird problems
almost.
the first one i rigged myself over 4 or 5 days mostly worked but half hips area is just plain missing into the model in-game, and no amount of messign with weight painting seems to have helped

ill leave some example images below, and some errors/warning that have appeared in the unity console that may help

[delicate glade]

idk if it means anything, but every child of the prefab created in AssetsToBuild that contains a Rotation Offset script also has a None script

this is only on the Prefab, not the object itself in the hierarchy

additionally, I occasionaly get some errors regarding the Scavenger model

such as this

1>C:\Users\adven\Documents\My_LC_Mods\ChieSatonaka\obj\Debug\netstandard2.1\ChieSatonaka.AssemblyInfo.cs(14,44,14,74): warning CS0436: The type 'IgnoresAccessChecksToAttribute' in 'C:\Users\adven\.nuget\packages\bepinex.assemblypublicizer.msbuild\0.4.1\contentFiles\cs\any\IgnoresAccessChecksToAttribute.cs' conflicts with the imported type 'IgnoresAccessChecksToAttribute' in 'MonoMod.Utils, Version=22.3.23.4, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null'. Using the type defined in 'C:\Users\adven\.nuget\packages\bepinex.assemblypublicizer.msbuild\0.4.1\contentFiles\cs\any\IgnoresAccessChecksToAttribute.cs'.
1>C:\Users\adven\Documents\My_LC_Mods\ChieSatonaka\Plugin.cs(16,34,16,40): warning CS8618: Non-nullable field 'config' must contain a non-null value when exiting constructor. Consider declaring the field as nullable.
1>C:\Users\adven\Documents\My_LC_Mods\ChieSatonaka\Plugin.cs(19,41,19,63): warning CS8618: Non-nullable property 'enableModelForAllSuits' must contain a non-null value when exiting constructor. Consider declaring the property as nullable.
1>C:\Users\adven\Documents\My_LC_Mods\ChieSatonaka\Plugin.cs(20,41,20,61): warning CS8618: Non-nullable property 'enableModelAsDefault' must contain a non-null value when exiting constructor. Consider declaring the property as nullable.
1>C:\Users\adven\Documents\My_LC_Mods\ChieSatonaka\Plugin.cs(21,43,21,65): warning CS8618: Non-nullable property 'suitNamesToEnableModel' must contain a non-null value when exiting constructor. Consider declaring the property as nullable.
1>C:\Users\adven\Documents\My_LC_Mods\ChieSatonaka\Plugin.cs(45,53,45,57): warning CS8625: Cannot convert null literal to non-nullable reference type.

i also see this in visual studio output every time i build ^ not sure if its anything helpful

[median rain]

Can you confirm that when you've built your assetbundle subsequently, that it actually updated the one in VS? Unity won't build assetbundles if there are errors or missing scripts.

It will act like it did, however.

Also, could you show how your model appears in unity when you press the play button and go into game mode?

That should reflect how it appears in game.

[delicate glade]

oh? how would i go about that

[median rain]

It's been a really long time since there's been a failure in the automatic offset mapping, and your T-pose looks correct. There might just be something weird with your model that you'll have to manually set the offsets for.

[delicate glade]

oh yeah never thought of that

hm arms are facing behind and legs look a little odd

[median rain]

Just look at the Date Modified of your assetbundle in VS, and make sure that it actually changes when you build.

That's really strange. There's no issue in unity.

[delicate glade]

yeah thats why i was so confused, if it looked as broken as it did in-game in unity/blender then i would just fix it

but considering it looks pretty okay i dont know whats really happening/how to fix it

[median rain]

Are those missing scripts still there on your prefab that you have in your assetbundle?

[delicate glade]

yes, theyre on every bone with a rotation script

it does this whenever i do a new build

the unity version is supposed to be 2021.3.8f1 right?

just remembered that maybe that could affect something, but im pretty sure its right

OH

💀 💀

wow, im sorry about that

i was so sure it was the right version in the video i watched

[median rain]

Ah. That was the next thing I was going to bring up.

[delicate glade]

no wonder it kept yelling at me about shaders, i wasnt even using the right version lmao

OHHHH i see what went wrong

i downloaded that version but neevr actually applied it

that explains things

[median rain]

Well let me know if it still messes up after getting the right editor. I have no clue why that breaks things, but somehow it does.

[delicate glade]

yep, as a coder i know that sentiment far too well

will give it another shot

[median rain]

Yep.

[delicate glade]

i hope it fixes my other model too

the initial results on that one was hilarious

oh wait

that was after my first adjustmentrs

THIS is what it first looked like.

💀

honestly a miracle i almost got it working with a totally busted unity version

(3 days of work)

i wouldve quit earlier but i just wanted these in so bad, theyre from the same franchise as a collection of models someone else uploaded using this framework

and they just fit the style so well imo

ontop of it being my fav franchise

etc

[delicate glade]

IT WORKKKKKSSSS YAYYYY

i can now sleep in peace tonight 😭

[cobalt orbit]

Question: Would it be possible to make a model replacement that uses the same textures as the vanilla employee model, in a way that would make it possible for you to stack it with normal suits?

[median rain]

Yeah without a doubt.

In the LoadAssetsAndReturnModel() function, you can easily grab the texture of the currently worn suit. As for how you would map that texture to your model, that's something you would have to figure out.

[sonic atlas]

Are you looking into porting the Fortnite version of the model but able to work with suit texture mods? ;o

That'd be kinda sick tbh

[cobalt orbit]

no lmao

i'm looking to do #1198790641933635674

[sonic atlas]

Ah well still that would be cool since the Fortnite version actually looks better, the boots especially

[cobalt orbit]

our idea of how to do it is they'd work by adding pieces of equipment onto the default playermodel

[sonic atlas]

Noice

[cobalt orbit]

yeh the fortnite ver would be cool asf

[cobalt orbit]

that's awesome! thanks

[hollow talon]

im currently trying to do these steps but nothing is showing in the solution explorer and i dont know waht to do since im new to visual studio

[median rain]

You probably don't have the C# runtime or whatever it's called installed.

Should be at the top.

Typically, if you do have that installed, any time you open a csproj it will create a solution file as well.

[median rain]

That's a really cool idea. Here's a unitypackage with my scavenger prefab. It should contain the FBX.

Admittedly, I cannot recall whether this scavenger uses the standard UV mapping or an alternative UV mapping.

[cobalt orbit]

not my idea, it's Caliginous'

but i'm doing the game design document for it

and kinda gathering people up to help w it

[cobalt orbit]

also thank you so much!!

[median rain]

But if you take that FBX and put it and its texture in blender, you should be able to see if it is the correct UV. From there you would just need to modify the model, preserving or modifying the UVs to the new mesh as required.

@torpid fog

[cobalt orbit]

@hybrid seal

there ya go, here's some useful info bud

(tilted's in charge of all the model stuff)

[hybrid seal]

WAGH

[cobalt orbit]

or, atleast some of it hehe

[cobalt orbit]

haii,,, read above :3

[cobalt orbit]

.

[hybrid seal]

Ok Femmployee uses a different UV tho 🥺

So it and any other base model changer would bork the colors

[cobalt orbit]

smh, thats what you get for not seeing this comin'!

[median rain]

I really couldn't tell you how your mod would interact with model replacers like femmployee, just giving what I do have.

[cobalt orbit]

still very much appreciated lmao

[hybrid seal]

I mean it would most likely just try and use its coordinates

But because the texture on the mod model's sheet is differently positioned, it would just like

Be a weird random color

But consistently

Because still the same coordinates

[hollow talon]

do you mean dot net?

[median rain]

Probably.

There's a lot of variously named .NETs out there. Just make sure you have the package that allows you to compile c# class libraries.

[hollow talon]

Yup fixed. Thanks

[hollow talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1194095755351294052/1247041357990723664/ezgif-4-ae6f039bec.gif

[hollow talon]

How do i add my model to a new suit variant so that its displayed as a serperate suit and not just on the default player model?

Oh wait hsouldve looked at the FAQ

Be back and see if i am finished

[hollow talon]

yep it works

always look for a solution kids!

[long hinge]

I doubt it'll affect much.

[median rain]

If you have a number of hair bones that you can count on one or two hands, it's negligible. If you have like 30 hair bones(Miku), it gets pretty bad when you have a full lobby.

That said, jiggle physics is an enormous upgrade in speed to dynamic bones. Back when I used dynamic bones it would stop my game with like four people.

[shadow fossil]

well... does anyone have any tips on fixing this? ☠️ "Remove Post Processing on Model" didn't help

[median rain]

That's not post processing, probably a shader issue. What shader are you using?

[sly crest]

so I need help , the model I use seem to have probelms because the fingers are bend weirdly, is there anyway to fic the model? Im pretty new to this

[wet ginkgo]

Hello, @sly crest, we have a dedicated support channel and forum here: #help-and-troubleshooting #1185732310700654732
Anyone responding is a volunteer so be patient.

[cobalt orbit]

shhhh

don't worry about the bot lmao it just does that when you type help

or say need help

[sly crest]

oh got it

[delicate glade]

most likely the rig doesnt have very good weight painting

and theres not much that can be done unless you contact the mod creator directly to fix it, or make your own model replacement with the same model

[sly crest]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

well thanks for help

[delicate glade]

👍

[sly crest]

also you know a way to make it less glossy?

[delicate glade]

that would be a material issue, unfortunately the same logic applies as before, either the mod creator would adjust the unity materials the model uses or well.. yeah

[sly crest]

okay thanks

[delicate glade]

its likely that the metallic/smoothness values are set high

[sly crest]

welll thanks for everything then

[delicate glade]

np 👍

[sly crest]

wait i forgot to say something

[delicate glade]

glad i could help an ace detective at work

oh?

[sly crest]

I imported this model into lethel, but I didnt made the model

is their anyway I could fix it in like unity or blender

[delicate glade]

absolutely, is this the same model as the questions you had?

[sly crest]

yep

[delicate glade]

okay so for the fingers i would check the weights on the hand/fingers using Blender, there are some tutorials out there for that its just doing a spot check on the rig to make sure its all accurate

just search up like weight painting blender

[sly crest]

Okay

[delicate glade]

as for the glossiness i would edit the materials in unity, check the metallic/smoothness materials specifically

if you want it fully matte you can set both these values to 0

if you dont see the materials because theyre embedded into the model, you can extract them and edit them by going to the model in the unity file thingy (i forget what its called), then go to the materials tab, then hit extract materials

[sly crest]

okay, the model I have was a xps model so I have to use a older version of blender to make them into fbx.

[delicate glade]

blender probably has an addon that allows imports of funky filetypes but im not too knowledgable on the topic

my blender knowledge is pretty barebones so i cant entirely help ya there

[sly crest]

Here he is

Ill come back if i need help again

[wet ginkgo]

Hello, @sly crest, we have a dedicated support channel and forum here: #help-and-troubleshooting #1185732310700654732
Anyone responding is a volunteer so be patient.

[median rain]

That's a miserable bot.

[median rain]

There's two causes for that, and unfortunately neither of them are weightpainting.

[sly crest]

oh?

[delicate glade]

oh?

[delicate glade]

oh hey its the ace detective himself

[median rain]

The first one is simply that the character's fingers are extremely sensitive to incorrect rotation offsets. the SDK calculates a rotation offset between your model's armature and the scavenger armature, so that the mod can drive your model the same as the scavenger in game. It calculates those offsets with your model's humanoid definition pose, that's why your humanoid definition needs to be in a T-pose with the palms facing down.

Unfortunately it's really hard to get the fingers close to the scavenger's finger pose, since the scavenger model is kind of messed up in every way.

So the finger offsets can't be calculated to very good precision.

Second issue is even worse, and it's that the scavenger model only has two segments per finger, instead of three.

[delicate glade]

interesting, i totally assumed it was weight painting

[median rain]

Nah, the fault is entirely in the awful base model we have to work with.

The thing is awful.

in so many ways.

It's not even symmetric.

[delicate glade]

i dont think ive never had issues with the models hands ive implemented BUT im also kinda dumb and miss things so idek

[delicate glade]

WAIT REALLY IS THAT WHY THE ARMS ALWAYS SEEM OFF ON ONE SIDE

i swear

every time i implement a model it seems off but i always assumed it was the model i was working with

[sly crest]

WOW

[median rain]

Yeah, isn't it insidious?

[delicate glade]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/546763235051700314/1106223571774210060/attachment-18.gif

crazy

ill be hopping on lethal soon so i can check my models to see if i notice the hand thing

[median rain]

If you really want to suffer, you will want to match the fingers from your avatar to the avatar of the scavenger as closely as possible (Even if unity screams that it's not in T-pose). But I wouldn't recommend it.

I'd just take it as a fact of nature that the hands will be awful, and let it go.

[delicate glade]

if it means anything every model i implemented the rig for the fingers was like 4 total bones

most of the fingers were controlled by 2 bones from what i recall

(ps2 model moment)

[median rain]

Yeah the less realistic the hands the better.

[sly crest]

Hmm

[median rain]

Especially with long fingers, it gets pretty bad. I've seen some that just by chance turned out well, though.

[delicate glade]

personally

i would actually ignore the rig that came with that model entirely

and re-rig it with mixamo

even if that rig is accurate for whatever its use-case was, we want something close to the ingame player model

which mixamo is pretty good with

or atleast, good enough for our purposes

[sly crest]

Thankls

[delicate glade]

especially if the original rig was a very specific use case, often rigs for games are designed a specific way that the game engine can interpret, especially major games

like the Chie model i worked with has a very strange and archaic rig

[sly crest]

Oh yeah, this is for reload

[delicate glade]

yup i figured

[median rain]

Yeah high production game rigs are crazy.

[delicate glade]

they likely have specific methods to make that rig work

[delicate glade]

yep i once worked with an akechi rig from p5 which had... 260 bones?

[median rain]

Good lord.

[delicate glade]

it was a NIGHTMARE

by the end i just said fuck it, ill re-rig it myself

but yeah the chie model im talking about the bones arent like how bones are done nowadays, each bone is like a dot on a graph basically

so they look VERY strange in blender

you look at it and think how is this functional?

[median rain]

Some people leaked models for a character angelina for a game endfield (which hasn't even come out yet). I don't know how they worked their deformation, but each limb had like 7 bones.

[delicate glade]

arknights damn

[median rain]

Oh I've seen those before. They're simply awful.

[sly crest]

I mean everything else went great, besides the fingers

[delicate glade]

crazy models are already getting leaked

thats a SHINY BOY

[median rain]

What shader are you using?

[delicate glade]

personally i just smacked the metallic/smoothness values down to 0 and it looks (mostly) how i want it to

[sly crest]

WAIT YOU MADE THAT

[median rain]

Yeah, if that isn't enough you can also put on an all black mask map.

[delicate glade]

well less so made, more so found the model uploaded and rigged it with mixamo

the only thing that bugs me is the materials still look off to me

[sly crest]

Yeah that what I mean

[delicate glade]

i think its the normal map im missing

something about the normal map the main player model uses makes it look a bit different with the shaders

but ye that was me

ive done 4 suits so far, chie, kanji, kotone, and shinji

[median rain]

Actually the game just uses regular HDRP for its shader.

[delicate glade]

all og models from either PS2/PSP for their respective games

[sly crest]

Im confuse by the mixamo website

[delicate glade]

interesting

[median rain]

All of the crustiness comes from their post processing stage, which adds a ton of posterization.

That's why I added the no post processing option.

[delicate glade]

how so?

OH WAIT

make sure to remove the rig in blender first

and then import it into mixamo

additionally, when importing it i would zip the fbx along with the textures so mixamo applies them

[sly crest]

Hm hmmm

coul I just break the finger lol

[delicate glade]

wdym

actually honestly if the rig outside the fingers is just fine you probably dont need to re-rig it

[sly crest]

Yeah thast what im saying, the model it self looks fine, the fingers is the only thing thats wrong

[delicate glade]

yeah id just go into unity and try adjusting the fingers a bit

uhhhhh

[delicate glade]

hmmm

im tryna think how exactly these could be adjusted

[sly crest]

maybe deleteing bones?

[delicate glade]

maybe go through and see if all the bones ACTUALLY match

it may have gotten confused and placed one incorrectly

probably not it, but hey probably worth checking

[sly crest]

Everything seem to be in the right place

[delicate glade]

if you click on each bone on the right you can see which object its attached to

dont recall if this means anything but some of these bone ends dont seem to be highlighted like the rest

the best way to check is click on each in the list on the right and confirm its where its supposed to be

meticulous, but an accurate way to be sure

[sly crest]

I have no idea why that seem to be the case

[delicate glade]

hm might not be the issue then

[sly crest]

I think it might be,

let me open the game for me to get a better veiw

[delicate glade]

yeah the frustrating thing about using someones existing rig is its set up, and used in a specific way so you just gotta sit down and figure out how exactly everythings set up, it could be the bones are mislabeled, or are meant to be used in a specific way, etc

and you get moments like this where you think you get how the rig is set up, but somethings not quite working

whether its the funky rig of this model, or the funky rig of the scavenger model, not too sure

[delicate glade]

hrm

im still not entirely convinced it isnt funky weight paints, but at the same time idk why theyd be off, they shouldnt be

[sly crest]

Loos like its the thumb, ring finger and pinky

the middle and index finger looks fine

[delicate glade]

interesting

[sly crest]

and thoose two finger, beside the thumb, are the one you mention

that are not highlighted

[sly crest]

Question how do you do this?

[delicate glade]

your model imports with materials so you have to extract them to edit them

to do this go to the model in the editor, then hit extract materials int he materials tab

itll look something like this

once theyre extracted, theyll appear whererever you extracted them to

to adjust the values, just click on each of them and youll see a list

[sly crest]

AHH there i see it

[sly crest]

Okayim alomost done, now it seems the thumb is backwards,

eh its okay

[delicate glade]

anyone have any experience with particularly small models? my small model has implemented very nicely except for one major problem, the item offset is very funky

it looked okay in unity so i assumed itd be mostly fine but ingame its super off

as an experiment i decided to try setting it all the way down here, but got the same results

[median rain]

I broke item offset at some point in time when adding first person viewmodels. Should probably fix that.

[delicate glade]

so im trying to setup a mod that includes all my custom suits as a standalone all-in-one mod, but im a bit confused at how the mod attaches each model to each suit, i put the asset bundles from each mod in the folder, and have a class for each replacement in the BodyReplacement.cs, then create a suit for each in the Awake function in the Plugin.cs script, but when you equip the suits ingame the only one that actually gets the model is the one i originally set it up with, which makes sense but i dont know where to go from here to finish the functionality

in all the stuff im finding theres only one asset bundle, but i dont understand how thats possible because as far as i can tell i can only assign 1 prefab in the unity section of the setup

oh.

just as i said that out loud i thought "hey wait what if i just assign the model replacement file to multiple prefabs? maybe that will add them too?"

classic coder moment, struggle for an hour then just ask myself out loud what im doing wrong and immediately solve it

😆

[delicate glade]

wait

i just realized something

i really dont need to be making a new project for every single suit 💀

i can just use one project to build them all in....

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/717498714259980378/1194556901397102623/sucksngl.gif

[sonic atlas]

@median rain any chance for a fix for this soon? 🥺

[median rain]

Considering that I don't even know what you're talking about, the chance is currently 0%

[sonic atlas]

I imagine this was in the Call Stack DiFFoZ mentioned before and he was saying that it's still doing that but the other stuff is fixed

Dunno for sure

[median rain]

Why is this an important issue? NREs I can understand, and so they are fixed. But this is a request for a really, really marginal performance improvement.

In fact even before the NREs were fixed performance wasn't a problem.

[sonic atlas]

Dunno, it's just an issue DiFFoZ brought up even if it's minor lol