[Deprecated] Advanced Company

[arctic sonnet]

which honestly... ship door mod + a mod to lock doors and I can just nuke utilities

I wouldn't mind a pocket-playin' boombox

[eternal mauve]

Maybe GI does the boombox things?

I faintly remember something of the sort in configs. But, might be wrong

[arctic sonnet]

Nu :<

I wish that mod locked with keys

does that mod give key locking

cause if so, I'll nab it

[fiery arch]

The update is not allowing me to update modded monster values anymore?

[arctic sonnet]

Check to see if there are configs for those monsters.

like immortal snail needs the config edited

[fiery arch]

It was working legit just before the update

its every modded monster, the fiend, boombas, haunted harpist

[arctic sonnet]

and you've tested this after going into a save, launching into a moon, then leaving first o -o

only after all that, then try to edit the power to see if it sticks

cause I had to get my preset updated via. launching in so things functioned

[fiery arch]

I'll relaunch it couple times again but I never ran into this issue

[arctic sonnet]

after update, the presets need to update to the new stuff o ,o - so ye gotta launch in to get the preset nice and caught up to the new settings/things

this is also why the moon list is gone after updates

thankfully the moon list is saved 😓

I balance too much into the cost 'n scrap stuff for that to go poof otherwise

[fiery arch]

me too, it freaked me out when I saw everything gone cause I config that stuff so much lol

especially since diversity's new monster is 50% everywhere

Okay yeah I had to restart it couple times but I got another issue gotta figure out and I don't know if it was ac yet lol

so much updated last night

[arctic sonnet]

eww

[fiery arch]

Yeah its not a fun monster either

takes you to backrooms like place lol, I like it for the horror element but it needed to be tweaked just as much as ghost girl or something

[arctic sonnet]

I already have backrooms

and herobrine.

I don't need a third enemy that can yoink you -3-

[fiery arch]

its like backrooms but its a stairway

I took out backrooms cause it tanks fps

[arctic sonnet]

oh fuck me.. is it that SCP?

[fiery arch]

Its very much like that scp

[arctic sonnet]

I need a mod to let me play boombox in my pocket

[wide zealot]

I have a question

Where does AC save things like your perks and such to?

[vale nacelle]

Is there a way to add our own upgradable skills?

[naive talon]

sounds accurate

[wild silo]

%APPDATA%\..\LocalLow\ZeekerssRBLX\Lethal Company\AdvancedCompany if you have save progress enabled

[wide zealot]

Okay thank you

I wanted to ask because my r2modman folder under appdata/roaming corrupted

Lol

[naive talon]

wat. that seems backwards.

[earnest estuary]

I set a default preset but it wont load and just does default, is theres omething im doing wrong?

this is where the preset is

[naive talon]

it should be: "I'ma gonna take reserved slots and make my own thats compatible with the original's stuff (like done with more company), like i always have, and then it'll have my equipment slots, but people can also do reserved slots things with it."
Like having head slot take head items specifically, but a flashlight slot that takes anything that provides light related to a flashlight. and just leaving it to common sense that they shouldn't double dip a tactical helmet with a pro flash light on their side bar. or maybe it just uses the flashlight first and saves the battery in the headslot until the flash is gone, I dunno.

I'm gradually getting used to using headlamp or headset despite the amped costs, although still miss a slot for my spray can. although I can always do some juggling on a wheel barrow etc. but such is the woes of wanting to be prepared but still have slots. :V

[earnest estuary]

@solid pivot you know anything about this?

[arctic sonnet]

did anybody report on the failing to launch a save with a preset with individual XP turned off? ., .

@earnest estuary Ensure your "Individual XP" is ticked

wait a minute- what

Oh disregard what I said, I got 0 bloody clue what ye are doing-

anyways, @solid pivot I recall you said something about destroyimmediate being a bad thing, so should I report this to the dev?

Is DestroyImmediate bad enuf to tell the dev "Don't do dat"? :p

[acoustic flax]

I can confirm that Skip Preset always forces the built-in Default preset. Tested with a fresh profile containing only Advanced Company and dependencies. I've been sitting on this bug report for about a week, contemplating saying something, but I've been conditioned everywhere I go to never share unsolicited feedback about anything. Probably because I'm turbo autistic and I phrase everything in the worst possible way I guess. I just kinda have to wait for other people to notice problems and then signal boost. 😕

[feral current]

saving this for later

[magic tendon]

I can feel the fps drop in the ship

[lost python]

I can feel FPS drop already just by looking at that image

[solar girder]

@hearty frost I FIXED 99% of my problems

the only problem AC is keep getting downgraded to v1.0.143

[solar girder]

how i fixed it is really simple

just dont update Extras

update everything else but Extras

when that happens it loads Extras First

before any of the other modpacks

a bit dumb but ill get used to it

[solar girder]

i may as well put AC into Extras to fix this issue

[rocky granite]

what the hell am i looking at...

[solid pivot]

I will remove the mod with my prepatcher

And I will add a function to make AC break horribly if the powered by is removed

So using this mod, 1.1.2 is the last version you can use

1.1.3 will break beyond repair if watermark is tampered with in any way

[shrewd breach]

So an arms race is what it sounds like

sounds like a fun challenge

[solid pivot]

Yea, sure. I write a license and then just sue you. Easier that way :)

I have the resources for a nice legal battle

[shrewd breach]

ok

[solid pivot]

Or you know what? I just remove AdvancedCompany now :)

Easier that way, less hassle

[solar girder]

TS website is hella buggy for me

[whole forum]

What's the obsession with removing the watermark, it's something you look at for like 5 seconds

[solar girder]

though im glad to say i fixed my Dependencies outdated issues

[solid pivot]

I will think about it but I guess I will delete AdvancedCompany and DMCA anyone streaming with it after that

It was the last straw which broke the camels back.

[solar girder]

i see more people talking about the Controller

allowing AC to be found more

[solid pivot]

I will give access to the mod in private to people

[solar girder]

👀

[solid pivot]

And will use it myself

But no public releases and no rights to stream with it at all

If you want to stream it or create content you need a license

and 1.1.2 is your last version for public release then. I will deprecate the mod and like I said: All use in streams or content will result in DMCA which I will follow up if you challenge it in legal battle.

Its my intellectual property

I mean most of the time I have hostile interactions here anyway

Dunno why I should continue to do this

[wide zealot]

This seems a bit much over a watermark remover mod, you should talk to the dev of Watermark Remover and ask them to remove it

[solid pivot]

They wont :)

[wide zealot]

I see no reason to use a mod like that anyways seems silly

Plus I stream frequently and I don't wanna have to get rid of AC, I consider it essential

[solid pivot]

Nobody said I wont give you a license The license comes at no cost

[feral current]

Scrap replacer tool im working on with AC compatibility

[solid pivot]

I mean, I only think about the license stuff because I know some people would really miss the mod. I rather have 100 people enjoying the mod than staying in this hostile environment

[arctic sonnet]

I hope this is satire .x.' ...

[whole forum]

Can't say it'd be guaranteed but you could add a clause about removal of the watermark not being permitted, then if the thunderstore page janitors are willing to work with you just note any mods that remove it and ask them to remove&ban them

[arctic sonnet]

I mean they did state already it was not allowed in the beginning . ,.'

[whole forum]

Was it always part of the mod page? Haven't looked but this only became a problem today from what I looked at (I might be wrong)

[wide zealot]

Yeah this or making it so AC is incompatible with mods that remove watermarks, removing the watermark is illegal anyways so Potatoe could definitely get that mod taken down if it's gonna cause him issues

[arctic sonnet]

They want this- yet they will never ever read the main menu watermark, they will use the terminal and see the name over and over, and have it show up in the logs -u-'

[whole forum]

Person who made that already said they'll treat it as an arms race so having to constantly combat it would be pretty unreasonable

[solid pivot]

No point having an arms race with Pirates

[arctic sonnet]

and yet- let me point out: anybody streaming or making youtube videos (off their streams) never shows the bloody main menu too... so the creation of this is out of spite

They will never show the main menu, they never give care to it - yet they want it gone -w -

[wide zealot]

Idk anyone who has complained about the watermark

[arctic sonnet]

2 peeps so far

[wide zealot]

They need to learn to deal with it

[arctic sonnet]

Count a whoppin' pair

[wide zealot]

Removing it counts as piracy period.

Look at the amount of downloads this mod has, and 2 people wanna whine about a watermark

[arctic sonnet]

There's clearly a solution to this.

Potatoe, I need you to redesign the logo and make it flashier and bigger.

I want at least 45% of the main menu showing Advanced Company

Make the Advanced Company settings button sparkle

Clearly the only solution to watermark troubles.

[wide zealot]

There's more important things to worry about than a watermark

[arctic sonnet]

actual issues?

[wide zealot]

^

[arctic sonnet]

Excuse me, you know the world we live in today.

[wide zealot]

At the end of the day a watermark isn't doing anything, it's not hurting you

Plus look how many people use Windows without activating it

[arctic sonnet]

We have to care about the carbon footprint of plushies, rather than the top corporations and 1%. We must complain about the smol things @wide zealot - how dare you not think of the watermark - w-

[wide zealot]

and keep the watermark

[arctic sonnet]

This is Grade A issue. Stand aside NullReferenceException

[wide zealot]

Yet they worry about the AC watermark which is not even bothersome or obtrusive

[solid pivot]

I mean I can just remove the ability to replace the main menu logo

[whole forum]

(lunxara I do believe they're exaggerating for the purpose of comedy)

[solid pivot]

Then there is no watermark

[arctic sonnet]

(I wish I was joking about the carbon footprint thing, but people are genuinely complaining about people making plushies and how they have a carbon footprint)

(We live in a soceity of cars people. Cars)

[vernal wyvern]

wait people are complaining about the watermark?

[solid pivot]

No, but someone created a mod to remove it anyway

[whole forum]

But anyway my idea is mainly trying to keep the mod accessible while still preventing the watermark removal mods at least being publicly available

[dreamy temple]

yeah thats how mods work

[solid pivot]

Hostility is how mods work, well OK

thanks for your valuable input

[dreamy temple]

your the only person being hostile here

[arctic sonnet]

I mean... to be fair batby- that is hostile.

[solid pivot]

I have the suspicion FlowerWater is Batbys second acc now :3

[dreamy temple]

dawg what

[solid pivot]

Its a suspicion

[arctic sonnet]

It's a tad hostile to just be removing what is essentially a calling card ., . ...

Do you know how many damn times I gotta respond to people in certain youtube comments sections because the darn content creators don't explain the X scrap mod or Y entity mod? Without a code, their best bet is to hopefully find a descriptor or somebody like me to give em a response -u -

[solid pivot]

I mean, I can add DRM and obsfucate the code Not my problem then

If you really want an arms race

Which will only make everyone suffer

[arctic sonnet]

DRM is no fun :<

[solid pivot]

I mean its nothing I want to do so I go the other route. If the mod isnt removed by the weekend I will just do whats necessary and remove AC

If you have a local copy, good for you. But it will be gone

For good

[dreamy temple]

Probably for the best

[long dock]

Bro is just yapping at this point. we all know u aint gonna do anything lol

[arctic sonnet]

We can just janitor the mod away . ,.

[solar girder]

Watermark doesn't seem like an issue for me 🥳

[dreamy temple]

If you can’t handle another mod altering your mod maybe don’t make a mod. If you take it down we can just reup it to archive.org and make a mod that downloads it via that link

For someone who spends so much time making this mod you really don’t seem to like how modding fundamentally works.

[solid pivot]

Good luck with that

[arctic sonnet]

does any mod alter yours in that regard batby . ,. ...

[solar girder]

Sad to see AC came this far 😔

[dreamy temple]

Dawg I’ve had to work with supporting LE for LLL’s entire lifespan

[arctic sonnet]

that's you modifying to support, has any mod been made to alter yours outside of your decision

has LE patched specifically to remove your functionality, or your debug output - something . ,.

[dreamy temple]

Right now if you use it it just prompts the user saying my mod is broken so yeah. Mods messing with other mods is fundamentally a core aspect of modding

[arctic sonnet]

LE states that?...

[dreamy temple]

Yes

[arctic sonnet]

I feel a pattern resurging <-<'

[dreamy temple]

At the end of the day if a inherently optional mod to change a small thing about your mod is enough to self implode your own project then the the inherit lack of control of modding might not be for you. Making a mod kinda implies your walking into that ballpark yknow

[arctic sonnet]

Just carry on Potatoe <~<'... Ye can make the title sticky if need-be down the road.

[solid pivot]

Huh? Yea, I'll move on :3

From modding LC in general

[arctic sonnet]

All mods gotta have a calling signature, ye can simply detect it 'n deal with it . ,.

[solid pivot]

Good luck using archived versions when a new game version comes out and no Potatoe around to fix AC :)

I dont really care tbh

[rocky granite]

I just find it weird that people are completely content with all mods, but there’s just random people here and there who despise ac

[dreamy temple]

You very clearly do

[arctic sonnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thurston-waffles-meow-gif-15637283

[wide zealot]

Kev gonna say it you aren't really helping atm

[long dock]

People don't despise the mod. It's a good mod. The owner just happens to constantly throw fits numerous times a day over the smallest things

[solid pivot]

I have better things to do in life than keep being in this toxic cesspool. I created AC with the bare minimum of attribution requirements and I am still met with hostility about that now too

Not just mods name calling, not just stupid people making stupid comments. I mean, I barely write in here for weeks now.

[arctic sonnet]

Then you do so @wide zealot >~> ...

[solid pivot]

Should show you that I basically lost interest in AC anyway

[dreamy temple]

Both times I had to talk with him about compatibility he threatened to remake my mod lol

[solid pivot]

I created this mod for my friends and me, and it will stay like that :)

I might hand out code watermarked copies to some people in the future. But I will know if you share the files

[arctic sonnet]

i liked it cause it wasn't an f'd up progression mod .,.' ... ... dev of lethalprogression just goes radio silent when they were 👌 this close to having it be the darn reserveditemslot of youtube usage . ,.

[solid pivot]

But I dont really have time to think about all of that rn as I am working

[stiff galleon]

People who like Reserved slots than ac

[arctic sonnet]

They're not in it for the long sessions . ,.

[stiff galleon]

Would become very angry while this mod exceed it

And dear discord. Seriously? 15 sec cooldown?

[arctic sonnet]

slowmode . w.

[solid pivot]

LethalResonance only got 5s slowmode

[stiff galleon]

We do got 5s too at first

[arctic sonnet]

It'll go up as more people chat in there o, o... some places don't get slowmode

[stiff galleon]

While 20000 messages here

[rocky granite]

I’ll never understand the people who won’t use AC because it doesn’t work with reserveditemslots. AC literally gives you items that are better than the vanilla ones and literally removes the purpose of needing the reserved slots when it has its own…

[solid pivot]

You can use ReservedSlots with AC now

[arctic sonnet]

^ o -o

[rocky granite]

Isn’t that with disabling the hotbar features though?

[solid pivot]

Yes? Only way to do it in a good way

[dreamy temple]

Some people want a knife and not a multi-tool. Nothing personal just preference

[solid pivot]

Having two systems having their own secondary inventories isnt really viable

You can play AC now with Totally Vanilla feel

I should rename Mostly Vanilla to Vanilla btw

Its vanilla now

Complete modularity has been reached

Only thing missing is to split the mod but this will become dependency hell

[rocky granite]

Yea Ik that, but I mean the people who want AC’s features but then decline it cuz of another mod feels kinda silly to me

[arctic sonnet]

You could study the people who use those slots in youtuber vids or streams btw. They will rarely care about it when they have them filled, but complain when it isn't filled. They always want a walkie - but they do not use it for its true tactical purposes. o- o If anything, they just want a flashlight without filling up a slot for looting - but in doing so, will overweigh themselves and overextend without a mod like AC to give longevity to looting heavier hauls

[stiff galleon]

Let me do a prediction. We will have another random guy asking keep the equipment without equipment slots and wish them work with reserved slots

[solid pivot]

Wont do this @stiff galleon

[stiff galleon]

Sorry. Another TOXIC guy

[arctic sonnet]

You literally get 10 slots at the endgame of AC .,. ...

[solid pivot]

They are both high level mods doing inventory stuff. They are incompatible by design

[arctic sonnet]

this is not including the 3 side slots

10. +3 equipment. ., .

[solid pivot]

The difference is: ReservedSlots is only doing inventory stuff, AC does a lot more than that (lobby stuff etc.) so I made AC capable of deactivating its high level inventory part.

[arctic sonnet]

Which is fine o ,o

if anything - that'll help migrate people into using more of it hopefully

[stiff galleon]

They will be like : C'mon... Just make a options... That's not too difficult right? Just 3 lines code or maybe 5

[solid pivot]

Thats what many people asked for anyway but it wouldnt have been possible when it wasnt for all the 1.1 betas where I changed so much stuff in AC to make this solution viable.

[arctic sonnet]

ye really gotta get them to realize how useless flashlight 'n walkie slots are early game. ., .

[stiff galleon]

And I will be like : 0_0? Bro you serious?

[solid pivot]

Oh now AC is also compatible with the VR mod thingie. Just dont use the hotbar stuff AC brings

[rocky granite]

Yea walkies are really only good if you’re actually having someone stay at the terminal

[arctic sonnet]

(which nobody does)

No streamer group ever has someone who wants to stay at the terminal. They're either coincidentally forced there by dogs, girl, or someome "HAS" to take the mantle to disable a sentry/mine nest or to use malware broadcaster if using LGU

Go look at a youtuber ye watch and find a clip of someone stating they want to stay. They can't stay, else they don't get the clips or content -w -

and to that I say: hacking tool from lethal things. Don't want someone doing quick hacks? Do the hacking yourself.

[rocky granite]

Why do I have a 2 minute chat cooldown all of a sudden ._.

And now it’s back to 10 seconds

[solid pivot]

Uhhhh, now my discord link gets removed This ultra toxic environment. Gotta love it

This is just insane

[arctic sonnet]

I guess ye can't put discord links in general o -o...

Where the hell is that slowdown? ., .

[stiff galleon]

Well put that at the mod page

[solid pivot]

It was what I had just a minute ago

[arctic sonnet]

hmmm .,.

[rocky granite]

It suddenly appeared and then went down to 10 seconds

[stiff galleon]

10sec?

Ah yes 10 sec

[arctic sonnet]

It's that damn meme- lol...

[stiff galleon]

That was discord side fault

[acoustic flax]

If LE makes such a claim, that's pretty ironic. I'm glad LLL exists and I refuse to use moons that aren't using LLL. I wish more moon creators would make the switch.

Anyway, yes, it's obviously true that mods can and do and sometimes even must mess with other mods. WeatherTweaks had a recent update to support the extra monitors added by GeneralImprovements. That said, I don't think it's helpful to antagonize someone who is obviously already upset. Claiming that the mod can simply be archived and redistributed, aside from probably being a copyright violation, is also irrelevant. Lethal Company will eventually update, and then old versions of Advanced Company will stop working. It's not just a mod, it's an ongoing process of mod maintenance. I don't see anyone else taking the mantle of such a huge and stable mod as Advanced Company, and not for lack of trying. Nobody managed to do stable late joining until Advanced Company did it, and the other late joining mods still don't work correctly. Advanced Company is also the most stable and fleshed-out lobby expansion. 😕

[small glade]

Your discord link was removed because we have a clear rule against advertising. Do not attempt to subvert automod. That goes for all of you

[arctic sonnet]

But said discord link can be posted in thunderstore. ., . - So put details there

[small glade]

Its rule 9 #rules please read them

[rocky granite]

Yea I feel like mod devs should be exempt from that. But that’s just my personal opinion so

[arctic sonnet]

We don't know the bar of what can give the dev role though - so it could possibly be abused o, o

But seriously, @solid pivot - you should actually have that in the thunderstore page now that I think about it. I'd pop in there o -o... if ye got a meme channel, many solid memes to be shared c:

this server doesn't have really... a meme channel ., .' ... I guess #off-topic-memes but.. not centralized

[stiff galleon]

Well. We will have sad news later

[arctic sonnet]

why :< .. only gud news

Because currently, my modpack is broke n I am at the mercy of updates to hopefully fix it outta nowhere 😅

[solid pivot]

Sad news indeed :)

[arctic sonnet]

Nu :c

[solid pivot]

Give me some time to cook

Its basically pretty easy, gonna leave this discord soon

[small glade]

Sorry to hear that

[solid pivot]

I mean, people will surely find me elsewhere in forbidden realms 👀

Or in FFXIV

[solar girder]

You will always be remembered by the good part of community 💪

[arctic sonnet]

Sad news :c

[solid pivot]

(At least if you play on EU light data center)

And AC will be removed from Thunderstore as well if those watermark removal mods wont get removed Dont feel like a safe place for my mod to exist on when mods are allowed which just change the watermark I added to add an attribution flag to the game so people know my mod was used. When I left someone else can start that process but judging from what I've read from janitors so far they despise AC (and its watermark and all watermarks) anyway

[arctic sonnet]

I no touch the game, but I seen it a tad. The raid stuff is cool. .,.'

[solid pivot]

If that happens, I will still distribute my mod through other means

[small glade]

I don't believe any janitor has responded on this point

You can be mad and leave the server for whatever reason but I won't hear you talk like that about my team

[solid pivot]

You are right, it was a moderator. My bad

[wide zealot]

I only saw one person say something and they were a Moderator, no Janitor said anything about AC

[solid pivot]

[small glade]

Haha, yea, Albino is very pro open source

[wide zealot]

Yeah so I doubt Albino intended to upset you or offend you

[solid pivot]

They arent a Janitor anyway. Moderator. I misjudged the icon

I guess janitor and moderator are two different things

[arctic sonnet]

One is here, one is thunderstore - i thinks

[wide zealot]

Also I rarely see anyone talking bad about AC Potatoe, more people love your mod than you think

and I rarely see anyone say anything bad towards it or toxic.

[dreamy temple]

If adding a watermark is fine removing a watermark should also be fine

[small glade]

Its a point that I know is confusing. We have site staff and server staff and I don't really know how to make that easier to understand

[arctic sonnet]

Just detect the mod and have it disable itself if detected .x.

[dreamy temple]

Borderline malicious

[arctic sonnet]

to code your own mod to be disabled?...

[dreamy temple]

Oh I thought you meant the watermark removal one

[arctic sonnet]

I mean that's an option too

[solid pivot]

But its not malicious to remove a watermark I care for from a licensing standpoint, sure. My rights are worth shit

[arctic sonnet]

LEC disables LE, MC gets disabled by AC, why not add another to the list ., .

[small glade]

A word of advice about messing with other mods: MoreCompany disabled itself destructively when it detected LCAPI.dll and I almost rejected them for it in spite of having millions of downloads because it broke saves for a bit

[spark condor]

The first time i saw the watermark, i thought heck ya, that looks sick! Why wouldn't you want that?

[solid pivot]

Its funny that it only applies to PotatoePet tho. When I would remove that other mod it would be malicious of me to do so. Their rights to remove my watermark are so much more important

[rocky granite]

Same here tbh lmao

[arctic sonnet]

why did it disable itself destructively?

[solid pivot]

General rule of thumb: Rights of people > rights of PotatoePet

This goes to the point of actually threaten me to copyright infringe my work

[small glade]

Cuz they had beef with the people that made LCAPI and Bigger Lobby at the time, all ancient history from the server by now

[acoustic flax]

I really hope this mod continues, and that it remains on the Thunderstore. My group basically relies on it, and it's gonna be tough if we can't just sync by Thunderstore profile code (which incidentally seems to require deleting and importing a new profile, not updating an existing one, or else AC server presets don't migrate). There are many players, including some in my group, who are gonna be unwilling to install a mod that isn't hosted on a major modding platform...

[solid pivot]

And you wonder why I want to leave this environment

[arctic sonnet]

Just work on the mod and don't listen to those complainin' bout small shit :c ...

[solid pivot]

"If you remove AC from Thunderstore I gonna copyright infringe your work and reupload it, HAHA!"

[whole forum]

I don't wanna be pedantic but modding is already copyright infringement, we're all doing it here by default

[small glade]

I'll remove any reuploads the same as I do for any other modder, Potatoe

[solid pivot]

How am I infringing any copyright?

[dreamy temple]

Idk your acting like a victim when you’ve acted so aggressively in the past

[solid pivot]

The creator of the software doesnt have to allow mods, thats true. But they stated that they are fine with modding?

[arctic sonnet]

You've literally just patched the functionality of AC to work with reservedslot. At the current moment, no mods are really much of a conflict now :<

[nimble flicker]

If not for the developer's (Zeekerss) express permission to mod, this would be the case, yes. However, check the pins in #modding-general or #dev-general and you can see, explicit permission was granted by the developer.

[whole forum]

they've permitted it, doesn't mean it still isn't infringement, they can revoke at any time and be fully legal about it

permitting just means they're waiving their current right

[long dock]

Yikes that's a terrible look

[nimble flicker]

They can revoke that permission at any time.

[arctic sonnet]

They would also lose all future hope of being supported, and reduce their odds of landing a job anywhere (if they ever needed it)

Fully legal to do so in retaliation.

Public image says a lot

[dreamy temple]

Very applicable in this thread

[arctic sonnet]

You're not exempt* from it <~<'

[solid pivot]

When I was told that LLL wont do anything about compatibility because I am "not open source" and people wanted both mods to work I thought about replacing LLLs functionality and adding it to my own mod so people can still enjoy custom moons with AC, yea. True horror story

[whole forum]

yeah just mentioning that even though zeekers permits it doesn't mean it isn't copyright infringement

[solid pivot]

Guilt tripping me into open source and waiving my rights, very non-toxic behaviour indeed

[dreamy temple]

Guilt tripping 😭

[arctic sonnet]

You did so yourself though Batby <~<... You are wanting them to open it into open source out of your own volition

[solid pivot]

Or do you say you are not able to use ILSpy?

You replaced LE btw

Seems pretty hypocritical of you.

[arctic sonnet]

Can someone state something not hypocritical if they're going to state it? >->' (also I like how you typed that after I already typed it, you're just faster at typing potatoe 😓 )...

[dreamy temple]

Me and HolographicWings are chill homie. Afaik I have his blessing and communicated with him at every step. LLL only existed because he didn’t want to collaborate at the time

I’ve gone out of my way to support LE explicitly in LLL

[arctic sonnet]

LEC*

[solid pivot]

And its not out of scope for a baseline mod like AC to add broad functionality like moon loading anyway. Its not like I am going out of my way and well beyond the scope of what AC set out to do

[arctic sonnet]

In no way do you function with LE fully, and I have had to teach about 20+ people that already ., .' ...

hell I taught two in the last 12 hours today bout that

[dreamy temple]

The point isn’t about you making a moon loading api, it’s that you threatened to in response to pretty mild criticism

It creates a hostile environment

[solid pivot]

You said LLL will become incompatible with AC

[arctic sonnet]

Sounds threatening ., .

[nocturne plinth]

What happened here?🧐🧐

[whole forum]

I'm assuming it's not an explicit incompat but in the very likely case something goes wrong there won't be much in the way of resolving things

[dreamy temple]

Yes if I have to explicitly add attribute based support to my mod just for AC that’s something I’m not planning on doing. It’s expecting to much of other modders just to play nice together

[rocky granite]

Best not to get involved

[solid pivot]

Adding a metadata tag to the assembly is too much to ask

You are a great guy

[dreamy temple]

Tbh yeah

[solid pivot]

Sure, you are a ultra l33t haxx0r modder I see

Having mods communicate via metadata is one of the most elegant things you can do. No dependencies needed. Your mod simply defines in an assembly metadata that AC shouldnt touch your assembly to make it work with the low level configurability patching

Its better to go to people not modding any longer and ask them to change stuff instead of me patching ldfld and decorating it :3

Oh no, wait. Its probably the best that I replace game functionality entirely or write stuff into the game data, right?

[dreamy temple]

most mods don’t need to communicate explicitly. I shouldn’t have to explicitly tell your mod not to touch my mod homie. I can’t stop you from doing it but I’m not going to explicitly play ball in that regard

[solid pivot]

AC doesnt change any variable about enemy spawning etc. whatsoever. It decorates all accesses to those variables and plays the man in the middle

So original game data isnt touched at all

[arctic sonnet]

Shouldn't every mod do that? ... .,.

isn't the point of a mod to add?

[solid pivot]

Its a compatibility feature. Your mod can define that metadata when you think it increases the compatibility with AC. That requires you to care about compatibility in the first place which you clearly do not.

Thats up to you and I dont care

Funny that 99% of all mods have no problems with what AC is doing tho.

[dreamy temple]

I don’t care about explicit compatibility. I’m more than happy to improve LLL in order to improve compatibility naturally

[nimble flicker]

Which, by the way, is why as a Moderator, I've been staying out of this discussion. There hasn't been anything (until the advertising) that broke server rules. However, I'm getting rather tired of the hostile environment collectively created by multiple members of this thread.

Firstly, it's important to remember that while creating mods for games can be a rewarding experience, once they are released into the community, controlling every aspect of how they are used or modified becomes very challenging. This is a common understanding within modding communities.

I want to remind you that part of participating in this community involves engaging with others in a manner that is respectful, even when disagreements arise. The beauty of modding comes from collaboration, sharing ideas, and sometimes accepting that once a mod is out there, it might evolve in ways we didn't anticipate.

This is a general warning for all participants.

Now then, on to correcting misconceptions...

Clarification / Disclaimer

We (Moderators of this Discord) do not speak for Zeekerss, nor do we speak for Thunderstore. (However, some of the Admins do also speak for Thunderstore, where the Janitors keep things tidy.)

In the absence of a posted LICENSE.{txt,md} in the archive, README, or non-existent GitHub, all Berne Convention countries agree on the nearly universal standard default of "All Rights Reserved."

Therefore, Potato is well within their rights to establish whatever conditions of use they wish to, and everyone else has the choice to either abide by those, or not. However, Discord Guidelines call out that litigious activity is not acceptable on their platform, and as such, we are obligated to warn you to cease threatening legal action.

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Generally, when someone joins a modding community, they have the mutual understanding that just as they are making unsolicited modifications to the original intellectual property holders' content, someone else can (and will) make unsolicited modifications to their modification, and it is wholly outside of their control whether this happens or not.

However, it is actually entirely within your rights to attempt to litigate these individuals, should you choose to. Likewise, it is entirely within the rights of Zeekerss to obliterate any mod or modder they decide isn't appropriate for their game.

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The reason you haven't seen "any other modders" having issue with this, or any similar issue, is because it is our job as moderators to clean that up, and keep it out of the way of the community, its mod authors, and the player base as a whole.

Now then, to the topic at hand; if you would like to have a nice private discussion about remedies to this situation, which you find amicable and pertaining to your rights; feel free to contact the @slow ruin bot.

[simple spruce]

yikes

[rocky granite]

Well anyways

Uh

Nice weather we’re having on Vow, am I right?

[arctic sonnet]

Vow is the worst free planet. Change my mind.

[rocky granite]

Assurance:

[wide zealot]

No no, Experimentation is the worst

[rocky granite]

I don’t know a single person who lands assurance

[arctic sonnet]

Ladder skips 10+ wasted seconds on assurance.

[wide zealot]

I land there all the time 😦

[arctic sonnet]

you also can speedrun go to the fire exit

[rocky granite]

I now know a single person who lands assurance

[wide zealot]

I only land there a couple of times but yeah I land there

[jaunty ingot]

i land there too lol

[arctic sonnet]

you literally can get into the fire exit of assurance within 10 seconds of the ship doors opening.

[simple spruce]

yeah, that's such a shortcut

[wide zealot]

That's Offense, if you make the jump

[arctic sonnet]

No no - Assurance.

[rocky granite]

There’s no skip on assurance

If you tried, you’d fall to your death

[simple spruce]

You can jump out of the ship instantly on Assurance and land on the big rock near fire

[acoustic flax]

There is a skip on Assurance, and it's insane. It's the fastest skip.

[arctic sonnet]

I think mrov knows what I'm talkin' bout

You will break your ankles a little

[simple spruce]

I got you

[rocky granite]

I stand corrected

[arctic sonnet]

you can yeet yourself off the ship and onto the rock you gotta climb a ladder for. Saves easily 15-20 seconds.

[rocky granite]

Interesting

Doesn’t change my thoughts on assurance tho

[wide zealot]

Why you hate Ass?

[nimble flicker]

Assurance best free moon, prove me wrong.

[simple spruce]

bad loot

offense best

[rocky granite]

Offense and March are the best imo

[wide zealot]

Ass has a rare chance to spawn masks though

👀

[nimble flicker]

March does have four entrances.....

[rocky granite]

Keyword “rare”

[acoustic flax]

I thought Assurance was the best free moon before I learned the insane skip. Now it's no contest. But I still usually land on Vow or March instead because I like the forest and I like bee hives.

[simple spruce]

getting 300$ worth of beehives on first day is godlike

[rocky granite]

I think aesthetically Vow is the best

Maybe March because of the lakes

[nimble flicker]

Hives are the best, until someone doesn't know how to collect them properly :/.

[wide zealot]

Lol Ikr

[arctic sonnet]

March is best free imo. Yes, stat-wise it sucks, but all the fire exits are great.

[nimble flicker]

But hey cough technically discussion in a mod releases thread should stay somewhat related to the mod. How strictly that is enforced is up to the thread's author's request though. I've not been given any specific instructions on this thread as of yet, so ehh.

[scarlet cave]

wdym ikr, you screwed up collecting 400 dollars worth of beehives last run we had

[rocky granite]

Lmao

[arctic sonnet]

has anyone felt the power of obtaining hives with protective skin 'n such? .,.

[wide zealot]

That was on accident, where I forgot to go out and get them cus everyone died

And then we kept having mod troubles

😦

[arctic sonnet]

What u mean

ur packs never have faults -u-

[wide zealot]

Not true

I said I never have issues with the mods you have issues with

Lol

[arctic sonnet]

I removed utilities cuz of ur butt, and have added like 4 mods to replace what was lost -3-

I haven't been able to confirm if that fixed anything

because I haven't done another session yet

[wide zealot]

CullFactory broke hard tonight

That was fun

[arctic sonnet]

I JUST ADDED THAT

[wide zealot]

Openbodycams had issues

[arctic sonnet]

don'ttellmethat ;-;'

[solid pivot]

I mean, I have nothing to discuss with moderators as they are responsible for the Discord which I will leave anyway. Only thing which matters to me is if <@&1184851104568201276> will act upon mods solely existing to remove my "watermark". It doesnt remove MoreCompany logo or any other mods doing stuff with the main logo at all. So it's also targetted at AdvancedCompany specifically. I dont feel comfortable and am not interested to supply my mod on a platform which will host mods basically removing my "watermark". And if its a too big inconvencience for people to install AC manually I might also stop working on AC altogether. AC comes at no cost and me publishing requires me being willing to do so. I invested many 100s of hours into AC and all I ask for is to play by the rules. Rules being pretty simple. Keep the watermark and I would be happy if you tell your viewers where you got the mod. You could argue that I shouldn't care about the watermark but you could make the same case the other way around. Why care about removing it?

[wide zealot]

WeatherTweaks' new update had some problems

[marsh bough]

Christ almighty it's 08:24 I'm still waking up

[arctic sonnet]

AM? .,.

[marsh bough]

yes

[arctic sonnet]

pretty heckin' late ., .

[solid pivot]

Its 8:24 AM for me as well. Already working for 3 hours

[rocky granite]

It’s midnight for me

I should go to bed

[solid pivot]

Thats a good idea. I wish I had a sleep rhythm where I can sleep at midnight :<

[arctic sonnet]

It's 2:30 AM for me. I ain't got much of a schedule though

[marsh bough]

[rocky granite]

I have a bad habit of staying up late

I really should try to fix my sleep schedule to go to bed at a more reasonable time

[small glade]

I'll submit this to the team to deliberate on but, at this time, I'm not aware of any specific policy we have against mods that modify other mods so long as its not destructive to the user.

[solid pivot]

I mean, it's destructive to my copyright.

[marsh bough]

[marsh bough]

LMAO

[river crest]

@radiant thunder oh god it's happening again

[solid pivot]

People told me that Janitors are responsible for those matters so I pinged the right role

[feral current]

😦

[simple spruce]

this is brilliant

[radiant thunder]

Nah it's different. Maybe

[solid pivot]

And its well within my rights to decide where, how and if I publish my mod.

[nimble flicker]

It's one of those things where unless you explicitly say somewhere in your README or LICENSE that other people shouldn't mod your mod (which is almost an oxymoron, but still well within your rights to do so); but again, in the absence of such a warning/statement, people can modify your mod as much as modders already modify the base game, in games where the developer never gave explicit permission.

This basically goes both ways, at the end of the day. If you don't want people removing your "watermark", then simply say that in the README and/or LICENSE as would be required for such a claim to hold up in court. Otherwise, Moderators, Janitors, and most importantly, your actual users, wouldn't know you wished for that to stay. We call this the "lay" test, whether a common person or peer would understand the expectation, without it being stated explicitly.

This currently fails the lay test.

Further, AC modifies other mods, which... well, there are a few mods that do this, and to my knowledge, there is no official policy on whether this is allowed or not. AC does this to MoreCompany among others, MoreCompany does this to LCAPI, etc etc; there are actually numerous examples.

From personal experience, anecdotally, forcing manual installation will reduce your userbase by about a factor of a thousand. As in, if you have 20,000 users now, you will have 2,000 users after such a change; if you are lucky.

[feral current]

huh, it's common sense not to remove CMI

[nimble flicker]

This is correct.

[nimble flicker]

A TMP_Text component added to the main menu is not a reproduction of the LICENSE statement, unless explicitly stated, in the LICENSE statement. (Which, btw, is absent for the mod in question, AC; there is no LICENSE file, so we can only go off the default Bernes Convention "All Rights Reserved" atm.)

So it is entirely within their right to say "Don't distribute my mod." Likewise, to say something like "Do not circumvent or remove my modification to the title screen." <-- but the latter must he explicitly stated, it is not implied.

[eternal ivy]

You really need to make up your mind on what's more important to you. Because judging from the actual changes you make to AC, most of them are community oriented. Yet you constantly talk about just ending it all or only making it for yourself. Honestly this whole thing has become tiring. I'll keep using AC for as long as I can, but now have to worry about it all going away one day for no good reason.

[stiff galleon]

ME now

[arctic sonnet]

Could a solution be to state it within the readme/license to not touch, if touch - AC mod disables self. If a mod comes up existing soley to then enable it against the modder's discretion - then he can state a janitor to remove it?

[nimble flicker]

This is why I am now here, because I'm tired of that pattern.

[wide zealot]

I'm also tired of that pattern tbh

[scarlet cave]

im also tired

[wide zealot]

I agree with you and Agitato both

and Xu

[nimble flicker]

Basically, as the other mod would be in violation of the LICENSE of this mod.

[wide zealot]

AC is a great mod but all of this shit just gets to be annoying after a while

[simple spruce]

why would you create something only to hate people using it?

[eternal ivy]

If you can't handle talking to people just stay on github. No need to go all out and remove mod from TS. It will hurt people that actually care and for whom you make the mod in the first place.

[wide zealot]

Exactly

[fiery arch]

I mean yeah like the mod said there should be a readme or a LICENSE that states that you don't want that removed, thats completely reasonable to add a readme or something

[river crest]

Don't quote me on this but I believe Thunderstore would reject mods trying to prohibit other mods touching them in any way, especially in a legal context.

[eternal ivy]

Also, this exist: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DaXcess/NoMoreCompanyLogo/

So this is not the case of PotatoePet vs The World.

[marsh bough]

🍿

[nimble flicker]

They may, and that would be well within Thunderstore's rights as a platform.
(I don't speak for or even know much about Thunderstore's policies so, idk.)

[feral current]

sorry i mean CMI

[simple spruce]

also IntroTweaks disabled/messed with MoreCompany logos/texts, so the argument is hella wild

[arctic sonnet]

IntroTweaks also screwed with a few other mods

[scarlet cave]

sorry im clueless, can you unabbreviate that word?

[radiant thunder]

Man I love faby sequels so much

[wide zealot]

Yeah I also am clueless

[feral current]

Copyright
Management Information (as defined in Section 1202(c) of the DMCA) (“CMI”) in the Works:
a. copyright notices;
b. the title and other information identifying the Works;
c. the name of, and other identifying information about, the creators of the Works;
and
d. the name of, and other identifying information about, the copyright owners of the
Works.

[scarlet cave]

thanks

[feral current]

basically signatures and watermarks

[arctic sonnet]

I mean, technically Potatoe owns copyright do they not? Whether they even mark anything right now - nobody can contest that it is potatoe's creation since it's uploaded via. the account on their site

[feral current]

but altering CMI is a big no no

[arctic sonnet]

sort of how you own a copyright to art even if you put no name signature on it - because it can be proven you're the one who did the work.

[nimble flicker]

In the absense of a LICENSE, the default is "All Rights Reserved" in all Berns Convention countries.
HOWEVER, DMCA is not a universal/global thing, that's the US and countries the US litigates.

[arctic sonnet]

(The only ones that really matter in the grand scheme of "Copyright") ... like... let's be real here .,.

[nimble flicker]

HOWEVER; Many countries "agree on something like" the DMCA

191 countries are members of WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization). http://www.wipo.int/members/fr/.

Funny enough, Netherlands ignores DMCA entirely (along with at least seven other countries), as they have their own, disagreeing, copyright laws.

[simple spruce]

is this what the fuss is about?

[nimble flicker]

Yup, Nuclear because of a 30 download mod.

[simple spruce]

that's hella narcissistic

[radiant thunder]

There's only 1 law I abide by "I open source all my work to the public so I will open source everything else aswell"

[arctic sonnet]

I mean every mod starts off low . ,. - can't claim it impossible that it won't spread like wildfire for every youtuber n streamer to use just so they don't reveal things.

[whole forum]

the copyleft agenda

[radiant thunder]

Copygone forever

[nimble flicker]

FOSSA agrees with that stance.

[small glade]

copynone

[simple spruce]

mod achieving nothing?

[wide zealot]

I also always prefer Open Source stuff honestly

[arctic sonnet]

There's literal groups of youtubers I watch who do not release a code, or verbally state any mod - even though they can and easily could just share the R2 profile code

[whole forum]

glad he agrees (i jest)

[eternal ivy]

Especially considering that AC pretty much consumes MC in a similar fashion.

[nimble flicker]

I personally prefer the CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 LICENSE, but to each their own.

[river crest]

I believe Thunderstore is situated in the Netherlands but despite that we'll respond to things that fall under copyright and even stuff that doesn't (we'll take down reuploads of your mod even if your code is MIT, so devs should feel more comfortable making their code MIT).

[nimble flicker]

Bahaha I didn't know that was a thing, lovely, I will keep that.

[simple spruce]

use my mod, but not like that ( you don't know what i want )

[nimble flicker]

This is why I have far less patience for this situation in general.

[radiant thunder]

I wish I could take down unity audio engine fix but alas. Copyright is truly my biggest enemy.

[simple spruce]

it's childish, but there's clearly some malice

[whole forum]

I'm an MIT/Unlicense guy but I can appreciate copylefts

[feral current]

they would problably have some sort of stance against removing ownership information like title, and whatnot. I really feel like this is common sense law.

[small glade]

I also prefer CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 international

[river crest]

I'm a "you will regret using my code but it's MIT" kinda guy

[solid pivot]

DMCA is US law

[nimble flicker]

MIT is wonderful, unless you need to keep food on your developers' families tables.
(I've been in unfortunate situations with Amazon/Facebook/Google eating OSS projects before.)

[hearty frost]

To be honest y'all need to go and have a think if you believe it's right in anyway for someone to directly focus on AC's watermark. (If that's the case) imo.

[arctic sonnet]

MC also though killed itself in a way . ,. .... it killed itself over LC_API, which... is also currently becoming extremely depreciated. In the last 2 packs I've assisted people with, people had LC_API Only for the dependency that removed the modlist pop-up when loading into a lobby.... the very thing LC_API does. So removing LC_API removed the dependency, which did the same thing. ., .

[scarlet cave]

my favourite is CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 local

[radiant thunder]

We all commited copyright violations in our life. You can't tell me you didn't at some point ctrl-c some NFT

[feral current]

for real

[nimble flicker]

Agreed in general.

[dreamy temple]

Tldr if modifying a game is yipeee woo then modifying a mod should be yipee woohoo

[arctic sonnet]

You'd never ctrl+c my monkey image

[simple spruce]

and you're **not **in the US

[nimble flicker]

There was one single mod with 30 downloads which removes the watermark.

[nimble flicker]

Thunderstore isn't, I'm not.

[wide zealot]

Yep he's not lol

[small glade]

We're not here to argue right or wrong. I don't want to open the can of worms where we have to write new thunderstore policy. Right now mods can modify other mods

[feral current]

big USA W then

[simple spruce]

we're not justifying watermark removal, it's about the response to that

[solid pivot]

You realize that any foreigner can file a DMCA claim? Thats what DMCA is there for so copyright owners will distribute their stuff in the US

[nimble flicker]

Which is interesting, as LC_API was the mod creating the "on join modlist" in the first place.

[simple spruce]

which is wild

[solid pivot]

There is a DMCA equivalent in netherlands as well

[arctic sonnet]

Exactly

[nimble flicker]

Correct, anyone can file the claim, and many countries will respect them.
But the Digital Millenium Copyright Act is a United States Act.

[dreamy temple]

The only person really caring about the watermark is potato tbh. Someone just made a quick mod to disable it for anyone who prefers that. That’s how modding works

[marsh bough]

[hearty frost]

Why target specifically AC? Nothing wrong with removing watermarks I guess if that's what the user wants but the fact they specifically targetted AC is what I think.

[arctic sonnet]

In the same way Potatoe could've not said a thing over this, you too could've kept quiet in the modding logs between your mod and AC @dreamy temple - just saying.

[nimble flicker]

Yes and no. Netherlands is effected by "Copyright in the Digital Single Market" which explicitly disagrees with DMCA.

[sinful osprey]

is there another mod that adds watermarks?

[feral current]

I mean, I care if the modder wants to keep his ownership information intact and someone is activily trying to scrub it out and defend that

[hearty frost]

I mean MoreCompany has one somewhere I think but that's specifcally aimed at VR users if I remember

[wide zealot]

It's not, there's a mod that removes MoreCompany's logo too when using it

[arctic sonnet]

In your reaction to a mod not doing what you want, you cannot hypocritically judge Potatoe for reacting against a mod doing what he doesn't want ., .

[hearty frost]

I just said that lol.

[solid pivot]

All problems solved now?

[nimble flicker]

I'm not sure if you're following the plot atm, lol.

[feral current]

Like it would be different if potatoe didn't care, but since he does. I mean why the hell keep up something that infringes his rights of ownership.

[hearty frost]

But considering Potatoe gave people an option to do their own menus, removing ALL credit to potatoe seems a little unjust imo

[simple spruce]

you know they have 30 downloads in 7 hours?

[nimble flicker]

Yeah, that's an explicit statement for people to not touch the watermark/CMI.

[small glade]

Because up until they modify the license its not infringing anything

[feral current]

that would be wrong

[long dock]

And half those downloads are because potato gave it publicity by talking about it for 3 hours

[feral current]

removing ownership info, or creator info is infinging

[nimble flicker]

Up until literally 1 minute ago where Potato updat(ed/es/ing) it.

[feral current]

thats the last ill say of it

[small glade]

Albino gave you a huge wall of text earlier on why you're wrong and I'm not repeating it and you're going to stop acting like you know anything about copyright

[solid pivot]

btw wasnt the only thing changed

1.1.3

• Changed how lights work for cosmetics making them visible in third person but not ego perspective.
• Fixed an error which resulted in the new "Individual XP" setting preventing the start of the game.
• Added license to readme

[small glade]

Good. Adults are talking

[dreamy temple]

Do we need to care about that explicit note

[radiant thunder]

Someone pass me the popcorn

[simple spruce]

100% there's a killswitch inside now

[solid pivot]

There is :)

[nimble flicker]

Yes, as the Mod's Author (IP owner) has requested that other people/mods do not remove the notice.

[solid pivot]

Application.Quit

[nimble flicker]

Now, as per whether Thunderstore likes this, idk.

[dreamy temple]

Application.Quit is malicious imo

[solid pivot]

No savegame stuff or anything people spoke about here before :)

[small glade]

I'm not a fan of that and I can't speak for policy but you won't get my support acting like that

[river crest]

This is considered malicious and will likely get your mod removed from Thunderstore.

[simple spruce]

look at me, so edgy

[solid pivot]

Well, then go ahead and protect the watermark remove mod

[hearty frost]

Y'all are cooked.

[nimble flicker]

Yeah....... random DLL injections [to system functions] will also guarantee a removal (from modding.)

[small glade]

Disable your mod if you detect it. That's fine

[solid pivot]

Application is a Unity class

[hearty frost]

@solid pivot Just disable it's functions, affect your own application - not the users. There case solved.

[nimble flicker]

Yes, and it can (easily) be used maliciously.

[acoustic flax]

Sometimes a mod crashes the game. By accident I assume. That also quits the application. Is that malicious? 🤔

[small glade]

And so is webrequest but I don't let people do that either

[meager cradle]

Was about to say, killing one's ability to play with your specific mod is one thing, killing a player's ability to play the game at all is something else

[nimble flicker]

Literally this lol.

[river crest]

If it's on purpose and the user doesn't expect and want it to happen, yeah.

[rocky granite]

If it’s an accident then no because it’s unintentional

[solid pivot]

Huh? As long as you have a mod which isnt compliant with the license

[marsh bough]

[solid pivot]

I feel like in Kindergarten right now

[marsh bough]

"im gonna kill you because you did something bad >:("

[simple spruce]

sadly you ain't the teacher

[nimble flicker]

This is why I made a post to explain the situation to those who were missing out, lol.

[radiant thunder]

Oof 100

[nimble flicker]

Either way, as far as I'm concerned, this issue is sorted, until someone notifies me otherwise.

[meager cradle]

My thoughts exactly

[river crest]

to obide by this license, would we have to go through and remove every mod on Thunderstore that skips the menu screen as well?

[hearty frost]

Just kill the mod if they change water mark, not the game. Don't over think it 😛 If people want to be children all over AC let them be but don't ruin your own work all over it.

[nimble flicker]

Also, reminder to read the #rules. It's not hard, if you've been in this discussion, you can read.

[radiant thunder]

Ey yo who is this imposter

[hearty frost]

I gotta go anyway

[dreamy temple]

I’ll elaborate later but I’m not really satisfied with not being able to change an aspect of a mod just because they say not to

[arctic sonnet]

I suppose technically speaking - this should only affect 30 people tops. ., .

[meager cradle]

An imposter you've already met elsewhere lol

[radiant thunder]

Didn't think we were also playing amongus in here

[solid pivot]

Nah, it wont affect those 30

[nimble flicker]

Technically if their license is "All Rights Reserved" you're in the legal wrong by modifying them. It's annoying as all hell as a modding community, and it's up to Thunderstore if they want to allow that (non-Open-Source or non-Source-Available mods.); but it's legally correct.

[small glade]

My policy is "if I can't read the source of any part of this mod its a virus"

[simple spruce]

my take is they shouldn't, cause it creates a possibility of a cesspool like this one

[arctic sonnet]

At least half my mods would be viruses to you lol

[nimble flicker]

Agreed, but that's just my personal opinion. I don't speak for Thunderstore.

[river crest]

I believe modification of code is legal in most cases, unless it's specifically bypassing DRM to protect registered copyrighted works.

[simple spruce]

"my right is to have control over your game" and good luck

[small glade]

If you obfuscate or hide any part of your mod it is not welcome on the lethal company thunderstore

[solid pivot]

Its not obsfucated

[arctic sonnet]

most of my mods don't have github, and don't have a source page

[nimble flicker]

That's the underlying quicksand under all of this, we don't own the game being modified.

[small glade]

Not talking to you

[simple spruce]

yeah, that's valid

[river crest]

on the Lethal Company community of Thunderstore at least

[radiant thunder]

I speak for humanity. credo in amogum et imposterus suspectos

[simple spruce]

it could swallow us whole any minute

[rocky granite]

Impostor is sus?!?!

[small glade]

I can read the decompiled source without you including it

[acoustic flax]

The real Earth Leviathan was copyright all along. 😔

[arctic sonnet]

doesn't that go against it not being open? . ,.' ...

[dreamy temple]

@nimble flicker so if i put in the readme that I don’t want any mod to swap out my references to basegame values with their own middleman values will Potato have to explicitly prevent advanced company from replacing LLL references?

[small glade]

C# Is completely reversible by design. There is no such thing as closed source C#

If I can't read it, its a virus. If you upload unmanaged code to my section of the thunderstore its a virus. If you use an obfuscator to keep me from reading your code its a virus

[nimble flicker]

Interpretes errare possunt, sed lex non excusat.

[radiant thunder]

This is so stupid it's funny all because of like 0.001% of the advanced company userbase.

[solid pivot]

@dreamy temple Feeling powerful now? Go ahead and I will remove LLL from patching from my side

[simple spruce]

and it's creator

[eternal ivy]

This is stupid.

[feral current]

weird strawmans going on. Why act like CMI info is anything that matters to anyone but the owner. its not like references or values

[dreamy temple]

I will actually be doing this 👍

[small glade]

That's quite enough of this

[rocky granite]

Yea

[meager cradle]

Oh for actual f*cks sakes...

[solid pivot]

LLL is now incompatible with AC btw :)

[arctic sonnet]

god damn both of you =-=... There was a god damn option that both of you could've just dm'd and work together and there possibly could've been a simple solution to whatever the hell conflicted.

[eternal ivy]

Get ready to change your profiles soon fellas.

[solid pivot]

As by IAmBatbys request

[nimble flicker]

It would be hard for you to claim intellectual property / ownership over a modification of values. However, if you added new models, textures, sounds, etc to the game; you would be well within your rights to explain how and when people can and cannot modify or distribute those additions you wrote.

[river crest]

They were making a point that this sort of license doesn't make sense with the ecosystem.

[radiant thunder]

sed faciens legem nimis strictam, evadet te emissa

[nimble flicker]

This behaviour is the problem I have with this thread.

[long dock]

Well. time to uninstall AC

[radiant thunder]

In America anyway

[eternal ivy]

This is heading towards AC being a manual install or development ceasing.

[arctic sonnet]

Seriously, what on earth conflicted between you two =-='... I didn't even notice an error between the two mods playing with them in 5 different damn sessions across the last week and a half.

[solid pivot]

Dont worry ^^ AC will support moon loading soon

[marsh bough]

????

[simple spruce]

and here we go again

[wide zealot]

Yeah looks like it's time to get rid of AC, I can't tolerate this childish toxic behavior anymore

[eternal ivy]

Which makes no fucking sense over so many updates adding community requested features.

[nimble flicker]

Lex stricta, sed lex.

[radiant thunder]

Society is breaking down someone call the mods

[marsh bough]

y'all are making my day a whole lot better this is fucking hilarious

[simple spruce]

good luck making people use a closed-source loader, which will threaten them if they touch the wrong thing

[nimble flicker]

That......... yeah.

[simple spruce]

this was fun, time to improve MoreCompany

[radiant thunder]

Laws are weak. Just fucking sidestep and punish

[wide zealot]

Yep

[eternal ivy]

Honestly don't care about that when it comes to using the mod. It's just that the mod itself will probably become hard to share.

[nimble flicker]

People moved from LE to LLL because it:

• Blew up less modpacks
• Is More performant
• Is Easier to use

[dreamy temple]

What if I make a watermark in the same place as advanced company but with a higher render priority

[whole forum]

well genuinely best of luck getting anyone to make custom moons for AC, or custom dungeons

[nimble flicker]

Unknown. Courts would have to settle that.

[river crest]

LE having 100MB was painful.

[eternal ivy]

If I can't share it through a profile code, I won't use it. I'm not going to bother dozen people with that.

[radiant thunder]

What if I replace the entire main menu with 20 John wicks dancing like a stripper?

[lost python]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-crazy-shocked-surprised-flames-gif-16577214

[marsh bough]

100mb???

[nimble flicker]

I'm not a fan of LE's 30s load time (per moon), and scrap items you can't disable, hence LEC.

[simple spruce]

seems like the mod is the most stable thing here

[marsh bough]

I automatically despise any mod above 20mb

[wide zealot]

Yeah noone is gonna support a mod handled by someone this genuinely toxic

[solid pivot]

Last update for today then. I really have to work

1.1.4

• Changed the prevention code for watermark removal detection
• Removed LethalLevelLoader from assembly patching as requested by IAmBatby probably making LethalLevelLoader incompatible.

[river crest]

They included the SDK and example projects with the mod itself (in the past).

[wide zealot]

and all he complains about is other people being toxic

[rocky granite]

Tbh both sides of this argument are getting absolutely nowhere. I may as well go sit in on a preschool class and watch them fight and I’d get the same experience

[meager cradle]

Time to learn how to use smth like LethalQuantities to edit the LE/LEC moons

[arctic sonnet]

-n- (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[marsh bough]

disgusting

[wide zealot]

I'm gonna say it

[radiant thunder]

You ain't getting me anywhere but funny drama

[wide zealot]

Grow the fuck up man

[river crest]

I couldn't include even a single moon (in the past) because it'd take my 20MB mod pack up to 120MB

[dreamy temple]

My kinda point is that it’s going nowhere. None of his requests are reasonable and can’t be practically enforced

[wide zealot]

You are a giant narcissistic child

[solid pivot]

Huh? I was asked by them? Its well within their rights to prohibit me to do so

[whole forum]

scpcb dungen is 33mb

[solid pivot]

Because I follow the law?

[small glade]

cut it out

[wide zealot]

I will

[solid pivot]

Well, you know what

[fiery arch]

Either side isn't being any better though. Its weird to remove a signature from the artist, legal or not

[stiff galleon]

Well it's time to let this game go. The only reason I still play this game is because AC

[solid pivot]

just remove AC. I dont care any longer

[rocky granite]

From reading this, you’re not really helping to solve that in any way either so

[marsh bough]

[small glade]

You can press the deprecate button to do that

[solid pivot]

I dont have time for this kindergarten

[arctic sonnet]

The hell was the solution to patch these two mods?

[radiant thunder]

Literally society breaking at its seams right now. Who will yield first?

[long dock]

then dont throw tantrums like one 🤷‍♂️

[nimble flicker]

Yeah, as of 1.3.4, players have the choice of:

• Losing all their moons and dungeons
• Losing AC

Great choice guy, I doubt that'll turn out the way you want it to.

[arctic sonnet]

Seriously. What lines of code would be needed to have bridged these two mods together

[wide zealot]

Already removed it, I'm not gonna use a mod that removes support for a mod like LLL

[nimble flicker]

Just like LEC happened to LE, I'm sure something will bridge these.

[solid pivot]

@nimble flicker Isnt my problem. IAmBatby asked me to do so

[radiant thunder]

Didn't we literally establish that thunderstore is Norwegian and DMCA doesn't technically apply

[nimble flicker]

Same, personally.

[whole forum]

time to diff 1.3.3 and 1.3.4 and manually patch it in

[river crest]

since when is it Norwegian lmao

[solid pivot]

I havent removed support for LLL? Huh? LLL did by legal request

[nimble flicker]

Netherlands is not Norwegian lol.

[feral current]

ok

[radiant thunder]

Same difference.

[dreamy temple]

My specific readme request will be that no mod can directly modify LLL if they restricted other mods modifying their mod

[river crest]

Netherlands people are called Dutch for some reason

[nimble flicker]

Hard disagree, as do the courts of each sovereign country of the world.

[meager cradle]

Norwegian == Norway tho no?

[nimble flicker]

This confuses me.

[small glade]

Sorry, I removed your post because it was big and about the DMCA and its already a bastard to moderate this thread right now because its moving so fast

[feral current]

its ok

[arctic sonnet]

Could I Input Code Lyoko? >~>

[radiant thunder]

I'm a sovereign country if I want to be and Netherlands is Norwegian

[simple spruce]

just like swiss is swedish

[eternal ivy]

I want to say more, but I don't think it'll help anything. So 🤷

[radiant thunder]

Correct

[nimble flicker]

Norwegelends?
Northelends?
Netherwgia?

[river crest]

I still don't get why Thunderstore is hosted in a country you have to enter through an obsidian portal

[radiant thunder]

It's simple you travel 8 times faster in the netherworld so the data does aswell.

[simple spruce]

genius

[nimble flicker]

Alright, everyone calmed down?

[radiant thunder]

Did meatballs come from Norwegian or Netherlands?

[rocky granite]

They came from me

[scarlet cave]

i hear france loves their meat balls

[solid pivot]

1.1.4

• Changed the prevention code for watermark removal detection
• Removed LethalLevelLoader from assembly patching as legally requested by IAmBatby specifically probably making changes to moons added by LethalLevelLoader incompatible due to the greedy nature of LLL.
  • Dont contact me about this. I have no way of changing this. IAmBatby is the only one who can revoke their legal request. AC might add custom moon loading later tho to circumvent the requirement of LLL to do that.

[rocky granite]

I invented meatballs

[simple spruce]

just go

why

[rocky granite]

Well looks like I won’t be updating AC then

[simple spruce]

didn't you get upset if other mods pointed fingers at AC?

[radiant thunder]

I'm just here to see 753 suffer

[solid pivot]

It was a legal request

[simple spruce]

well, was it?

[nimble flicker]

Yup. I can touch everyone else, but nobody can touch me.

[solid pivot]

Of course?

[simple spruce]

good riddance then

[solid pivot]

Its not like some other mod did something weird or something I had to add a specific fix for. Its a legal request to make AC incompatible with LLL. I mean, thats not my problem

[alpine snow]

AC doesn't directly modify other mods though by default and people aimless blamed AC for faults because AC handled error pharsing?

[meager cradle]

... Lubella's boobs as an emote, I don't why that that both surprises me and doesn't at the same time

[whole forum]

when did batby explicitly say get rid of the LLL compat he just said he'll be removing AC compat from his end

[dreamy temple]

its a legal request to make mods that restrict modification of their mod from modifying my mod

[nimble flicker]

LE tried to pull this too, then mods literally replaced LE.

[dreamy temple]

allow watermark removal mods and im chill

[simple spruce]

due to the greedy nature of LLL

[small glade]

Momodora fan detected

[nimble flicker]

Oh? Is that libel I smell?

[whole forum]

ahk just not publicly posted then?

[simple spruce]

so, so greedy

[dreamy temple]

yeah not yet, will be next update but gave him the heads up

[sinful osprey]

very neutral and peaceful language obviously. Patchnotes so good they had to be dropped twice and more aggressively

[solid pivot]

They dont have to They dont had to make cosmetics for AC as well. 30 mins slow mode. Nah

[simple spruce]

because if he's not right, what's the point?

[wide zealot]

Trust me, noone is gonna be using your mod anymore bud why would anyone make cosmetics for it?

[alpine snow]

Stop arguing over the most stupidest shit, you too Potatoe - Aeniema. I'm on Mrs phone lol,

[dreamy temple]

also probably not great to call everyone else a kindergartner when you put mean comments that upset you in the debug log

[radiant thunder]

This is immovable object talking to unstoppable force the movie

[eternal ivy]

@alpine snow you're seriously out of the loop on this.

[indigo moon]

Dang, this has gotten crazy.

[alpine snow]

You cant pull that when it was someone complaining about their boobs clippi g through bulletvest lmao

[wide zealot]

Yep, welcome to the thread bud 🙂

[feral current]

nah still an amazing mod, and I agree with potatoe that there shouldn't be a mod that exists solely to remove his CMI

at least hosted on the same site

[wide zealot]

You're out of the loop

He removed LLL support, AC is dead

[rocky granite]

Just simply don’t update it

[feral current]

Thats fine, half the moons and dungeons broke the game anyways

[next fox]

false

[wide zealot]

I don't wanna use his mod anymore anyways, he's extremely toxic

[alpine snow]

Babtby literally said it lol.

[eternal ivy]

He "doesn't care"

proceeds to add toggle to remove inventory changes for compatability

[rocky granite]

Imo, it seems kinda stupid to stop using a mod because of the way the creator acts, but you do you

[alpine snow]

Potatoes does everything to make yall happy and you still go after him with pitchforks

[nimble flicker]

Cancel Culture does this all day every day, to many real businesses.

[wide zealot]

You couldn't be more out of the loop

[small glade]

You are now cancelled

[nimble flicker]

ofuc~

[sinful osprey]

one must trust the code running on their machine is produced in good faith and is not malicious. Those who portray themselves in unsightly manners tend to not give that vibe.

[dreamy temple]

Accountability Culture 🤠

[alpine snow]

Batbyy moans about AC logs, potatoes literally reduced the logs for Batby lmao

[radiant thunder]

I dunno man EA and blizzard deserve it

[nimble flicker]

[eternal ivy]

I agree, but at this point it affects the mod and other mods directly

[indigo moon]

There's a difference from willingly doing things and reluctantly doing things. I'm not going to say which one is mostly done, but I've seen one more than the other.

[nimble flicker]

[feral current]

what are those from

[nimble flicker]

Your Only Move is Modding

But also you can click on them.

[indigo moon]

Bro just distracted everybody from this mess with emojis. LOL

[nimble flicker]

I'm watching you, and so is Emma Watson on a balloon.

[radiant thunder]

Your only move is adding Fortnite to the game

[indigo moon]

it's working, it's keeping them tamed, keep doing it!

[small glade]

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-dinosaur-raining-go-for-it-gif-20228266

[meager cradle]

Umbreon Burger
Now wait just a minute-

[feral current]

fortnite creative has a lethal company mod

[radiant thunder]

Oh shit I'm about to imprision the bracken in a 1x1

[wraith totem]

BadassCoilhead when

[eternal ivy]

So does LLL not work with AC now?

[feral current]

yes

[sinful osprey]

its clearly a leafeon

[fiery arch]

yes

[eternal ivy]

Did you actually check?

[indigo moon]

DANG, even Ebkr is here.

[mellow saffron]

im bouta box the bracken and 200 pump him back to the lobby

[radiant thunder]

But he can already emote

[feral current]

nope

[wide zealot]

I'm not even gonna test either of the 2 updates after the talk of malicious changes

[lavish bison]

Boo. I appeared.

[wraith totem]

But can he default dance 🦀

[indigo moon]

Lol, we got everybody.

[radiant thunder]

Yes

[fiery arch]

It might not work in the future updates what he was implying with the patch note

[small glade]

:3

jk

[indigo moon]

Now we need LC_API guy.

[wide zealot]

Lol would be fun

[sinful osprey]

with EI and BAC yeah

[lavish bison]

Nah... We need Zeekers in person here....

[radiant thunder]

[eternal ivy]

@lavish bison Potatoe could learn how to handle this from you ngl.

[mellow saffron]

:3

[rocky granite]

That’s why I’m just not gonna update it until either
A) all of this gets resolved
B) the mod just stops working due to being outdated so at that point if things haven’t resolved I’d just remove it

[wide zealot]

Chaos is a homie fr

[lavish bison]

Woah woah Don't throW me into something I don't even know what's going on lol

[eternal ivy]

Diversity has been in a rough state for more than a month, but you just kept working.

[wide zealot]

Because Chaos is a chad

[small glade]

defaultDance

[nimble flicker]

[ Do remember, more people typing simultaneously, the higher the bot makes the slowmode. ]

[alpine snow]

Lol discrediting potatoes work over what?

[radiant thunder]

You can't slowmode me I'm always in the fast lane

[mellow saffron]

mmhm and what is this bot called?

[sinful osprey]

so that means we must type even faster

[lavish bison]

I just came here to say a quick hello...

[meager cradle]

Imagine the bot suddenly ups the slowmode upwards to 6 hour wait

[rocky granite]

Oh that explains why slow mode spiked up to 2 minutes for a short period of time earlier

[nimble flicker]

It me Austin.

[indigo moon]

DANG, THAT BAD?

[rapid hollow]

honestly after reading everything in this thread I'm never trusting this mod again no matter how good it is

[dreamy temple]

closing the game when a mod is installed that he doesn't like is a good start

[indigo moon]

You guys were going crazy then.

[nimble flicker]

All 69,420 messages? Damn.

[arctic sonnet]

||>-> ... There was a civil opportunity somewhere and somehow it got squandered so hard a crepe is jealous for how flat it is. AC lets me customize moons easily without hassle, and puts shit in concise lists, LLL gives the damn moons the ability to exist - I would love it if I could have both of my damn slices of cake and eat it too STILL. 😮‍💨 ||
I'mma just watch some damn memes man. There isn't gonna be a time LLL is gonna be seamless and simple, and now AC doing this shit makes perks impossible cause the dev for progression screwed off <~< ... ... This is so damn chaotic, Isaac with the Chaos item and Glitched Crown is jealous.
Youtube memes, come relieve me of this darn headache -~ -' ...

[rocky granite]

Tbh there was only like 3 of us talking and it was before most of this started so idrk why it spiked to 2 minutes

[alpine snow]

I mean his reactions isn't always best but releasing a mod to discredit someone is kinda low

[nimble flicker]

8+ Simultanous typers at one point.

[eternal ivy]

I'd argue 1.0 was broken and hardly usable. But people still understod. And Chaos took the time. Hell, even 2.0 has some issues still but the discourse is chill.

[indigo moon]

LethalUtilities v2 + LethalModManager's config editing, my friend, coming out eventually. LOL

[nimble flicker]

Eventually™️

[indigo moon]

Huh, dang.

[marsh bough]

[nimble flicker]

Several people are typing...

[small glade]

still shrompin' I see

[rapid hollow]

LMM is gonna skyrocket after this lmaooo

[sinful osprey]

by the same nature is AC changing the title screen from LC to AC removing credit from Zeekers?

[marsh bough]

stuck in class, can't do anything but perceive

[meager cradle]

Eh? Something happened to LGU? I don't keep up with that mod so news to me . < .

[radiant thunder]

If you see me typing you know the dramas good. I'm the moth and you are the flame.

[scarlet cave]

afaik, it still works, and very goodly, cuz i use it lol

[graceful oriole]

@wide zealot I've been semi-following how you've set up your mod list in the background and applying it to my own because you always try to aim for stability and are always looking out for incompatibilities/bugs, so I'll be looking out for the next code or so for your mod list when you find substitutions for AC lol

[indigo moon]

Eh, this doesn't really affect LMM negatively at all, nor positively. Just resizeable lobbies that aren't as intrusive as MC. (And the config editing)

[alpine snow]

I mean you can literally ad LC back like I Did.

[wide zealot]

Yep already working on it 🫡

[lavish bison]

Just know we all have our own mindset, way of working, and ways of dealing with stuff. Modders makes their own choices. All we can do is respect it or ditch it. Lots of you are unhappy but it ain't the end of the world. Remember that the said mod didn't exist at one point! c:

[long dock]

And you can literally just not download the mod or choose to ignore it like 99% of the ppl will

[nimble flicker]

Reminder that even during a slowmode spike, you can always edit your previous message.

[river crest]

what's LMM

[fiery arch]

No, zeekers credit is on the loading of the game, like with unity.

[radiant thunder]

Large modular melons

[graceful oriole]

godspeed 🫡

[sinful osprey]

and AC is credited on the thunderstore launcher or when you manually download the mod

[nimble flicker]

Netherwegia

[whole forum]

Lethally migrating mice

[meager cradle]

I just happen to tune into, whatever happened here, when doing my usual check of mod updates or any other news . < .

[small glade]

Literally Malding Mangoes

[indigo moon]

LethalModManager, it's an in-game mod manager that is WIP, but will allow you to also download mods before joining a lobby and stuff. Think of it like Garry's Mod, but better.

[lavish bison]

Been watching his devlopment. It's going nicely!!

[rocky granite]

Well now that the show is over Imma get some sleep

[indigo moon]

IT'S TAKING SO LONG, BUT ALMOST DONE, I'M SUFFERING. LOL (also should've been asleep 2 hours ago, but this thread is interesting)

[fiery arch]

That's not in-game credit lol that's like crediting the artist outside of the art-piece. Its not the same thing at all.

[mellow saffron]

bros in the trenches

[sinful osprey]

but then why is it fine to scrub the lethal company banner away and put other mods names there? by the same morals its scrubbing away the ingame credit of the games title

[lavish bison]

I feel you!! The amount of people that been waiting for 2.0.0 of Diversity was painful... They've been literally craving it.

[indigo moon]

Dude, me having to go back to LethalUtilities and make it better than itself at least 3x over and better than LethalEditor is going to be worse than LMM in some cases. LOL (LMM is already taking long enough)

[alpine snow]

Same person to have a mod to skip the splash screen
Lol

[rocky granite]

Oh AC is apparently just full on marked as deprecated now

[wide zealot]

Was worth the wait though

[lavish bison]

Took me 1.5 months to release it. And now I have a constant feeling of exhaustions because I've been overworking myself too much on it

[sinful osprey]

I'm of the opinion that altering to remove splashes and watermarks is fine because at the end of the day, everybody knows what mod they downloaded. Idk why you need to advertise your mod in the faces of people already playing it personally.

[indigo moon]

DANG, DIVERSITY HAS BEEN OUT FOR THAT LONG? WHERE HAVE I BEEN ALL THIS TIME???

[alpine snow]

Yep. They weird children won. For nothing to be honest.

[lavish bison]

Diversity first came out in December yeah

[fiery arch]

Why would it be okay to remove a watermark from an artist than? I don't understand that logic lol not defending him or batty but I still think its weird to remove watermarking and artists signature

[long dock]

You're one of the only people defending him. You're on the wrong side

[rocky granite]

Well damn now what am I supposed to do about modded enemies and scrap not showing up on lll moons

[wide zealot]

Hey I can't wait to play with you more though hopefully we can play tomorrow for sure!!!

[eternal ivy]

I really don't want to install MC...

[main karma]

have you tried LethalQuantities? with the new web ui it seems relatively simple to use

[mellow saffron]

meltdown was released early January (i think there were also beta builds from 2023 then though)

[sinful osprey]

because its a game and not a still art piece. To put it simply, people will customize their experience. Advanced company shows up in the settings, in the lobby start, and constantly in the handheld terminal. Its not hiding the name of it. Its seemingly modpack creators wanting to make cool custom title splash screens for their mod collections and there is nothing wrong with that

[indigo moon]

Oh, right when I had to fix LethalEditor a million times, and then immediately work on LMM, makes sense. LOL

[river crest]

BiggerLobby still works fine right?

[rocky granite]

Tried it, not a fan of it

[alpine snow]

I'm not defending his rash reactions but definitely will defend the work he done.

[rapid hollow]

can it do cosmetics doe

[lavish bison]

Life of modders... I truely understand it LOL

[nimble flicker]

[Deprecated] Advanced Company

[small glade]

I've marked this thread as deprecated and will likely lock it soon

[main karma]

fair enough honestly, i've found it decent but I'm still yet to be convinced

[eternal ivy]

They both do, I think. MC is better though IIRC. But I don't want cosmetics.

[wide zealot]

I'm sure a replacement for AC will get made

[mellow saffron]

i think there is a different mod that implements just the cosmeitics

[indigo moon]

AC was originally a replacement for other mods. (Basically)

[sinful osprey]

think like minecraft modpacks with custom title screens and custom theming to be more wholistically a single experience

[river crest]

The whole "better more players mod" thing was a joke, it's crazy seeing people take it seriously. I don't like the cosmetics myself so I always used BiggerLobby.

[rapid hollow]

first time I'm hearing of this, do you have the name by any chance?

[eternal ivy]

Was it really? Other than replacing MC/BL it's mostly its own thing.

[alpine snow]

AC was never a replacement lol

[radiant thunder]

It's like I'm watching a car crash in slow motion THROUGH A WINDSHIELD

[rocky granite]

I mean technically there’s already “replacements” out there. Just that imo none of them are laid out at as nicely as ac

[lavish bison]

Deprecated?

[nimble flicker]

Ehh....... sorta. There are many messages (feel free to use Discord search to confirm this) which show Potato going into other mod creator's threads and saying something along the lines of "Hey, I'm going to replace you." but in a much less civil way.

[indigo moon]

Yeah, some others may know more of what it replaced, but one of the biggest things was LateGameUpgrades.

[mellow saffron]

no i just remembered that i saw it at some point. idk if its still even around anymore was quite a long time ago

[wide zealot]

Yeah he really showed his true colors in this thread tonight, once he killed off support for LLL everyone started removing it so he deprecated

[fiery arch]

I mean I will agree with you, changing the title is a weird place to put the watermark but I still think removing stuff from other modders is weird. Espcially if its something that say is the "siganature" could've put it in the bottom left like other mods and it would be fine.

however I don't think changing the title discredits the game at all

[meager cradle]

It added a ton (can be argued a bit TOO much) features all bundled into one, the biggest one that floated around (this was in the console too) is it being a replacement for morecompany

I wouldn't mind it on the bottom (alike LE/LEC) if it said AC along with a version number tbh

[sinful osprey]

at the end of the day the modded experience is what the user desires, if a user desires to have a clean title screen with no watermarks or branding they will find someone to make it for them or make it themselves.

[eternal ivy]

Honestly though, even if somewhat deserved I don't think we should just shit on him like that constantly. I think it was said enough already. No need for further personal attacks.

[lavish bison]

Oof...

[rapid hollow]

someone tell the watermark remover guy that he single handedly killed ac (joking but appreciate the responses)

[dreamy temple]

potato killed ac

[nimble flicker]

Nah, Potato's reaction to the watermark mod killed the thread.
Potato clicking the "Deprecate" button in Thunderstore killed AC.

[wide zealot]

Is there an alternative mod to allow adjusting enemy power levels?

[timid leaf]

LethalEditor by @indigo moon

[rocky granite]

Maybe lethal quantities

[alpine snow]

People were constantly shitting on potatoe.

[indigo moon]

I personally wouldn't recommend it unless you are the advanced type user.

[mellow saffron]

i thought lethal editor was only a save editing tool? i don't think i really saw what it fully did though so i might be wrong

[radiant thunder]

Holy shit advanced? Like advanced wars on the DS?

[graceful oriole]

I hope it'll come soon. I made it a central part of my mod list with the perks and such, might still hang onto v1.1.2 for a bit until I can find alternatives

[eternal ivy]

The writing was on the wall tbh. He was always passive aggressive even towards LC itself. Constantly talking about abandoning AC and making his own LC that is better. Wonder if that's still the plan.

[lavish bison]

Woops

[wide zealot]

It won't happen, the man is all talk and no bite

[river crest]

I'd be surprised if most modders didn't feel this urge at some point or another.

[rocky granite]

Not really. It was maybe like one person every week. There were a lot of people who just simply refused to use it though because it didn’t support reserveditemslots

[meager cradle]

How's uh LethalQuantities of note? Was gonna use something to adjust price of moons, enemy spawn weights/general power levels, and modded scrap weights for the modded moons (particularly I use ImmersiveScrap for the ones that I add)

Also get ready to edit your messages to circumvent the slowmode shenanigans if you wanna respond faster ig lols

[indigo moon]

No, it let's you edit a lot of things very in-depth, but it's not advisable until you have all of your content mods settled in.

[scarlet cave]

Dude what is this bot's problem with slowmode, keeps increasing it

[whole forum]

Dangerous Business coming to steam soon

[alpine snow]

No people were, even streamers lol even mods deleting @solid pivot messages so fucking low

[nimble flicker]

14 people typing, lol.

[eternal ivy]

I don't fully agree. The mod is insanely well made. Not many can compete. He knows his stuff, but clearly can't handle public discourse.

[rapid hollow]

I snagged a screenshot

[graceful oriole]

vencord users who can still see the message:

[feral current]

public discorse was, please don't do this. They do it anyways. Then some other modder comes in and complains about potatoe giving a care

[nimble flicker]

ToS 😄

[rocky granite]

Me who’s sadly not on my pc to take advantage of it:

[mellow saffron]

nuh uh :3

[river crest]

https://www.reddit.com/r/lethalcompany/comments/193d7rs/unpopular_opinion/
someone made a reddit thread about my mod being bad lol (and people lied about what it does to make other people dislike it)
criticism, even if it's unfounded sometimes, is just something mod devs have to deal with.

[split mist]

Sigh, this is really disappointing. Shame.

[long dock]

He could have simply ignored it. He completely self destructed and put his own interests ahead of everyone who uses AC

[radiant thunder]

If I buy a discord account I technically never agreed to the TOS. WHAT NOW LIBERAL?

[wide zealot]

Okay well even if he does make his own game I won't play it, I no longer have any respect for him based on his personality