[BETA v0.1.6] LethalModManager https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/kyxino/LethalModManager/

[dull hawk]

It's also because I have to include all configs from the very beginning when it gives you the mod list for mod sync to detect.

[surreal cove]

bett

[dull hawk]

I love how this guy that I'm doing contract work for asked me for an ETA when I have until Tuesday and just did something else that was way bigger, so I say probably Monday morning because I'm busy with things (LMM), and then Roblox proceeds to go down, so it's not like I really could do anything now anyway. LOL

[sage socket]

Lmao

[dull hawk]

Got to love how tied together everything is.
In order to finish mod sync, I got to finish profiles.
In order to finish profiles, I need to finish Thunderstore searching and downloading. (Mainly for testing.)
Luckily I don't need to finish config editing. Lol

[dull hawk]

Anyway, I just made things faster for me updating the UI.

(Like a lot faster and a lot less effort.)

Would've been a lot more helpful a long time ago, but whatever. Lol

At least I got it now.

[surreal cove]

Bet

[dull hawk]

Why is it that my focus comes back after having this on my TV in the background? LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7a4g-65SzA

If I can finish LMM before I finish this, that would be hilarious.

[surreal cove]

lmao

if need a tune to listen to

you need to finish the mod in 2 min

[dull hawk]

Lol

[surreal cove]

play it in the last 2 min of code

[dull hawk]

Ngl, this is actually helping.

but I will have to go to sleep soon, I've been fixing my sleep again, but I seem to be getting more and more tired suddenly.

[dull hawk]

The (hopeful) countdown has begun, but will continue at -8:30:00 later, I shall try to finish before finishing this video.

John Wick shall make LMM come out sooner hopefully. LOL

[finite herald]

YOU’RE DOING ALL OF THIS WITH JUST ONE MONITOR?!

(I was catching up on messages lol)

[dull hawk]

Yes. Lol

I haven't been using my tablet as a second monitor for quite a while now because I gave it to my mom for Christmas.

Kind of knew I would end up doing that anyway, but yeah.

[dull hawk]

All good, there's a lot. Lol

[dull hawk]

I just don't maximize anything at this point.

[oblique marten]

no maximized ide that would make me feel so cramped

[surreal cove]

hows progress, I hope you did take a break tho, straight 10 hours sounds horrrible

[dull hawk]

It's actually not that bad at all, I have an ultrawide monitor so that helps.

[oblique marten]

ah I see, that would help a lot

[dull hawk]

I never said I was doing it for 10 hours straight. Lol

I said I will continue with -8:30:00 on the clock.

[surreal cove]

oh

[dull hawk]

Yeah, this is how I have things laid out. Lol

(casually hiding code)

[oblique marten]

gotcha, yeah

pretty much what I do except I have everything on my main monitor fullscreen

haven't needed documentation as much with LC modding though so I don't tend to use my second monitor all that much

[dull hawk]

Yeah, if I had a second one (this is pretty much what I did with my tablet), I would have Discord and my video on it.

Typically Unity is smaller, but I was checking something at 1x scale for 1920x1080p, but when it is smaller, I just click on the side of the window to bring it back up real quickly.

[oblique marten]

yeah, that's pretty similar to my setup then minus the stacked windows

but given that I'm on a 16:9 it makes more sense this way

[dull hawk]

Yeah.

[oblique marten]

I'd probably split my monitor if I had an ultrawide

[dull hawk]

Yeah.

I think for me it is a 21:9.

3440x1440

43:18*

[dull hawk]

Timer has started again.

[full shadow]

Been a while since I popped in here; what's the current status of this?

[dull hawk]

Had to work on more than I was originally intending because if I half do a lot of the stuff, it would raise a bunch of issues, so I'm having to get a lot of stuff mostly done.

but I'm almost done with all of it.

It's practically a full release at this point, but still missing some key features, most notably config editing.

So like Thunderstore searching/downloading along with profiles already have to become a thing.

Which, on the note of, idk what to do the color as for the refresh button. LOL

Kind of debating making the three buttons on the left as the lighter orange.

Btw, don't worry, that previous thing isn't constantly covering the description.

Just when you click.

[dull hawk]

Oh boy, I hope I did not just lose progress.

I guess 2022.3.15f1 handles prefabs a LOT differently than 2022.3.9f1 because it just completely yeeted it after deleting it rather than 2022.3.9f1 still keeping around, but saying the prefab was missing.

are you serious

i saved it but it auto saved something else...

I didn't even know Unity auto saved.

LET ALONE OVERWRITE MY MANUAL SAVE

[surreal cove]

Do mod delayed more?

[dull hawk]

All that I lost was the mod slot.

[dull hawk]

So not really, but I'm annoyed.

[surreal cove]

Rip

[dull hawk]

.

WHY IS UNITY AUTO SAVING? I JUST LOST THE ENTIRE MOD SLOT NOW.

AssetRipper to the rescue.

[surreal cove]

No idea what you are saying by but W and L?

[dull hawk]

I lost the UI for showing each mod.

but I used AssetRipper to get it back from the AssetBundle that I have in my Visual Studio project.

[surreal cove]

Oh Alr

[dull hawk]

Thank goodness, just a little outdated.

[surreal cove]

Pure

[dull hawk]

I feel like Unity wants to start problems now.

[surreal cove]

Stress

[dull hawk]

Oh, right, I had AssetRipper still opened, apparently it keeps that file open the entire time.

[dull hawk]

Unity* project

[dull hawk]

Alright, taking a break at -6:00:00. Lol

Maybe I will be able to finish in time, who knows?

[surreal cove]

Hopefully

[dull hawk]

Keanu Reeves will just have to keep falling. Lol

[rapid leaf]

???????? what is this where did you get this and why is it such a fucking banger

[surreal cove]

Ty

Make it ur facility meltdown escape music

[rapid leaf]

wait, did you make this??

[surreal cove]

Original music is scp zaick

Zabi I

[rapid leaf]

ah

[surreal cove]

No

Zanick

There we go

Fricking autocorrect and my bad typing

I remixed it tho

[rapid leaf]

original is fire but your remix burns hotter

wow nvm after hearing it all your remix is COMPLETELY different

your remix is a massive tone change, but also a massive improvement

[surreal cove]

ye but i mean they still are different things

my remix is for the escape

to give you adrellenine

[dull hawk]

Well, uh, AC is pulling a bit of a USAA moment, so at least LMM will have its own resizeable lobbies.

Man, I was supposed to be asleep 2 hours ago, but this drama is interesting.

[burnt tulip]

man. LMM could NOT come any sooner :husk:

[sonic kettle]

Really can't wait for this to come out now lol

just saw that AC was being deprecated (???) and i've been using it for bigger lobbies

[dull hawk]

Oh gosh, more pressure, I need my sleep but thread drama interesting. LOL

It's even worse because I now REALLY need to finish LMM's full release for config editing and then work on LethalUtilities v2 for mod support and stuff.

[sonic kettle]

ahhh sorry no rush, i'm just excited to try it out :)

[dull hawk]

Yeah, holy crap, I didn't expect this much more pressure though. (I know more is coming soon.)

[maiden bridge]

glad the drama came just in time for my afternoon

[dull hawk]

Man, I got a headache right now and it is 3 in the morning, I wished this happened sooner. Lol

[maiden bridge]

best of luck with this (btw MIT open source planned for this?)

[dull hawk]

I might open source the resizeable lobbies, but mod syncing is a complete no-go along with a public Github due to security concerns.

(At least for now.)

[dull hawk]

@maiden bridge, this conversation I had with Zaggy gives some insight into it.

Alright, I got to sleep now, LMM development may be a bit slow tomorrow since I'm going to sleep 4 HOURS after my typical time.

I might just go ahead and get the Thunderstore info out of the way for it. (for when it releases)

[tropic gull]

there's no way AC just got deprecated, that mod literally gives a lot of things that I love

Is the thread for it also gone?

[hasty sequoia]

its kinda crazy how I just started to use advanced company for the features only it had

now its GONE

[valid perch]

advanced company got deleted ?????

[hasty sequoia]

deprecated

[valid perch]

what does that mean?>

wait

lemme translate

[valid perch]

why ?

[hasty sequoia]

uh

[valid perch]

this was the best mod

[hasty sequoia]

I think the mod creator was having a fit about some other mod

[pine sluice]

just look at pins in https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1186515716124459088

[valid perch]

ty

[noble widget]

It's still maintained on his discord, just not on thunderstore anymore

[hasty sequoia]

Yeah

but its still deprecated on the main platform everyone uses for the 2 main mod managers

Im not gonna bother with manual installs

I play with too many people

[valid perch]

Yo thats dumb...... well i guess AC dead now :/

[finite herald]

Ohhhhhhhh okay that’s not remotely as bad then

[surreal cove]

is the thread deleted?

lmao, my whole modpack was being balanced with AC, now im cooked. Guess I gotta start using lethal quantities

and utlities

[rapid leaf]

thread archived, you can read it for yourself if you go into #1169056298856362105 and filter for Deprecated

[dull hawk]

Yeah.

[dull hawk]

Yeeeeep.

Now suddenly I have more pressure being put on me.

(i need to update LethalUtilities soon)

[rapid leaf]

if i knew and was good at coding i'd offer help, but unfortunately i am dumb

[dull hawk]

LethalUtilities v2 has to be done in a very specific and precise way, which is why I can't just start doing it. Lol

As for LethalModManager, it's just about done, but the code is heavily dependent on how I handle the UI, so it wouldn't go well because I'm working on both at the same time.

[quick glade]

hey, hi everyone

I have a problem...

[dull hawk]

Yes?

[quick glade]

With LethalModManager the game does not start beyond the selection of Online or Lan

I'll record a video report now

and I'll send you the logs

wait 5 minutes

[dull hawk]

Uh, that is unlikely to be LethalModManager, it doesn't do much right now other than add a button to show what mods you have in a text format. (This is because the alpha is just a simple mod list.)

[quick glade]

hmm, ok then

I just have an idea why I can’t log in

I'll check something and write later

[dull hawk]

Alrighty.

[quick glade]

Crap

The problem was because

That I forgot to remove old AC files from the build

It was blocking LethalModManager

I hate it

[dull hawk]

wait what

[quick glade]

Now everything is fine

Everything started

[dull hawk]

It was blocking LethalModManager?

[quick glade]

Yes

Maybe

[dull hawk]

You mean the actual Mods button?

[quick glade]

Yes

I can send video proof

Want to?

[dull hawk]

That's weird, but I have a config that allows you to fix that.

You didn't have to remove AC.

[quick glade]

I had leftovers from AC

It's strange though

It was turned off

But he didn’t let me connect

Or I was just unlucky with the first launch

[dull hawk]

That's... weird.

[quick glade]

I'm confused, I'll go check

And also

180 mods 😂

[dull hawk]

Uh, okay then, that is already a problem. Lol

[coral wedge]

did you install any ac updates after 1.1.2?

[quick glade]

Yes

A

No

[coral wedge]

oof that'll be it

o

[quick glade]

didn't install

Old version AC 1.1.2

there was and that's all

[coral wedge]

ah okay, then the huge modlist is definitely a factor lol

[quick glade]

perhaps he was trying to create a document - so that he could display them later

[dull hawk]

Hopefully the rewrite of LethalUtilities can help shave off quite a bit of those mods.

[quick glade]

so the first launch was wrong

and now everything is fine :3

[dull hawk]

Hm, alrighty, that's good.

[dull hawk]

Timer has continued.

Time to work on the ridiculously big README.

[hasty fog]

what's left after readme?

[dull hawk]

I think at that point, it is just mod downloading and profiles being finished.

(i think)

I would have to check to see what the heck I actually have done rn.

[dull hawk]

Ah, yes, I love Upcoming Search Searching Features.

Next up: Upcoming Lobby Lobbying Features.

[dull hawk]

Lovely, still more to add.

[sage socket]

I'm so excited!!!!

When you release this, every time me and my friends have a successful gaming session using this I will buy you a coffee

[dull hawk]

Please don't donate too much to me. Lol

[sage socket]

lol

[dull hawk]

Jeez, I'm going to have to go directly to working on config editing once I release beta.

[iron orbit]

i cant believe i havent heard more about this, this is awesome!

[dull hawk]

Haha, thanks, I'm trying to get it done as soon as possible.

Especially since I got to get back to my other mod (LethalUtilities) for its rewrite to be even more customizable than before.

[tropic gull]

hype hype hyppee!!

[iron orbit]

very excited for this as the pack creator of my friend group :D

[sage socket]

Right!

[dull hawk]

One of the original reasons I started making this as well, used to have a private pack called Lethal Lobby, but I did everything manual at the time since nobody else used TMM/r2mm.

[dull hawk]

Oh, right, forgot to say that I've passed the half point of the 10 hour John Wick falling down the stairs loop.

I hope to get this done before the video ends, 5 hours remain.

[unreal vault]

https://tenor.com/view/john-wick-4-fall-stairs-gif-10023029565514394388

[dull hawk]

Just the README is taking so long. LOL

I think I've spent an hour on it so far.

Just trying to make it look nice and be readable.

[unreal vault]

thats a lot of documentation

[dull hawk]

A lot of features that need to be well documented to inform the users.

[west surge]

documentation is hell

[dull hawk]

Making it good*

Just lazily making it is easy.

Making it very defined isn't.

[west surge]

some of the moon stuff is so arbitrary it's a pain in the ass to communicate haha

[dull hawk]

Haha, I bet.

When you start making a big API that is very important, it makes things so much worse.

I'm just glad somebody took up making better custom moon support before I would end up doing it.

I've got too much as is. Lol

[surreal cove]

it would be cool if u integrate it with LMM

with a UI

my fav thing about AC was the in game ui

[dull hawk]

No, I don't need to do that, LMM would be overstepping way more of its area.

Config editing will handle that though.

[surreal cove]

alr

fair

[dull hawk]

Yeah, I'm going to have some pretty good config editing.

Even support for modifying AnimationCurves visually.

(Very important for my LethalEditor mod. Lol)

[surreal cove]

so like it will have a in game ui?

also does utils have a way for spawn weights and scraps ect

LETS GOO

WUAMTITIES HAS A WEB UI

[dull hawk]

Nope, only LethalEditor does. LethalUtilities will soon have a rewrite for it though.

[surreal cove]

alr bet

[dull hawk]

It will be completely non-intrusive and properly allow modded content.

You will be able to modify it via any mod manager, but would be preferred to modify it in-game with LMM once config editing rolls out.

Jeez, actually starting to get some anxiety from everything that I need to get done now.

Already fairly common for me, but the entire AC situation isn't making it any better.

[dull hawk]

me over here trying to figure out badges to make my README nicer

[surreal cove]

lmao

[dull hawk]

Ah, shoot, 3 and a half hours left.

[sage socket]

Take your time!

[dull hawk]

Trying to use it to help me not get distracted. LOL

Anyway, I think this might be good now?

[sage socket]

Felt so hard

I get way too distracted

[sage socket]

Ooo!

Does the lobby resizing mean it won't be compatible with more company cosmetics?

Or could we use more company instead?

[dull hawk]

For now, there won't be any compatibility, but you can still continue to use MoreCompany.

[sage socket]

Hell yeah

[dull hawk]

Just keep resizable lobbies disabled.

(It's disabled by default.)

[dull hawk]

Ah, 3 hours left. Lol

[surreal cove]

looks good!

[surreal cove]

why?

[dull hawk]

If they want MoreCompany for its cosmetics.

[surreal cove]

oh ok

[dull hawk]

The heck, my threads just reordered itself.

[surreal cove]

happens to me as well

annoying as hell

[dull hawk]

Never seen it happen before, weird.

[dull hawk]

Alright, this is done for now.

Ngl, I paused the timer for a bit, but it makes up for the time that I wasted watching #1211704241446715434. Lol

[dull hawk]

Switched this around. Lol

[surreal cove]

awesome, you think the mod will possibly c omeout by this weekend

[dull hawk]

It better.

https://tenor.com/view/cillianmurphygun-cillianmurphy-jazmincoded-gif-3811002643797340103

[warm nebula]

things seem to be coming along nicely woah

[surreal cove]

btw3 is this github

or thun.io

[dull hawk]

Visual Studio 2022

[surreal cove]

oh its the readme.md?

[dull hawk]

Yep.

[surreal cove]

looking clean 😎 👍

[dull hawk]

Thanks. Lol

[warm nebula]

not much to say but good stuff, this is definitely top of the list in terms of projects im excited for, ty for undertaking this

[dull hawk]

I'm trying to keep everything looking good.

[dull hawk]

No problem, I try my best to help others out, and this is definitely a project to do so.

[surreal cove]

same

[dull hawk]

Btw, forgot to mention that I paused the timer again at -02:30:00.

I'm going to do some work for LethalUtilities in the meantime, just to help give myself some balance again.

(Also to figure out how exactly I want to handle config editing for LethalModManager.)

[surreal cove]

Bet

[finite herald]

Got to watch John Wick fall down the stairs in the theatre— truly a life changing experience

[dull hawk]

LOL

I've had it going for 7 and a half hours so far.

[finite herald]

Had three generations of my family watching that scene

I went with my dad and grandfather lol

[dull hawk]

Lol, well then.

[finite herald]

Good movie

[dull hawk]

Definitely.

[still condor]

yeah i watched john wick 4 in theatres and the stairs scene was hilarious to me

when i thought he would come to a stop he just kept rolling

[dull hawk]

Lol, he was on a roll.

[dull hawk]

Btw, had to do some contract work again.

[dull hawk]

Got to love Roblox Studio working against me.

Nothing like making my contracting work take longer.

[sage socket]

I was gonna ask what game

But that's probably confidential lol

[dull hawk]

Nah, it's not.

Some little game that the dude I work for is apart of. It's called Flag Frenzy by DIGIBU.

It's an uphill battle, so his partner is trying to get as much done as possible to keep the game alive.

So it's just wasting both my time and his time, but at least I'm a contractor, so I get some money regardless.

(The good thing is that I will have less work if the dude I work for quits since I don't like the other guy.)

[thin bane]

oi the drama 🍿

[dull hawk]

Lol, yep. I was originally a developer for the other guy as well, but then I quit due to him having ridiculous last second requests and anger issues.

[sage socket]

Oof

[dull hawk]

That was a different game and group entirely though. Lol

[dull hawk]

Dang it, this thread (#1211704241446715434) keeps distracting me as well.

It seems like people have been talking more in there than playing the actual game at times. Lol

[sage socket]

I'm out here on the sidelines since all I've used is more company

I used AC once to try to test #1206494982521753620 but I couldn't really figure it out that well lol

[dull hawk]

Lol

[surreal cove]

Honestly the whole situation was nesscary. The lethal modding scene was lacking drama

[dull hawk]

LOL

[dull hawk]

My gosh, I've stayed up so long to handle this contracting work, I'm denying any further work until I'm done with LMM.

I have money for car insurance at this point to last me long enough anyway, it's not like I need anymore yet. Lol

(not even like I'm getting car insurance for quite a while because I want to wait until I have a credit card, and even then that gives me more time)

[dull hawk]

Got to love CTRL+Z breaking my work though.

(Then CTRL+SHIFT+Z breaking it even more most of the time.)

((Especially when it comes to rigging a vehicle where even the smallest mistake can break the entire thing and make it extremely unstable and unusable.))

(((Which means I am forced to redo if I can't fix it somehow.)))

Game Development

[haughty pagoda]

Average Roblox vehicle

(assuming you're still referring to Roblox)

[surreal cove]

lol

[dull hawk]

Yeah. Lol

I just got to do some fine tuning, it was almost chalked to the point it required a redo, but luckily I fixed it.

[dull hawk]

Ah, finally, I shall no longer be distracted by #1211704241446715434 anymore. Lol

I only hope to improve my attention span for any other situation. Lol

[finite herald]

Real

[dull hawk]

Time to start something to reopen it.

(joke)

[haughty pagoda]

lol

[surreal cove]

btw I made a mod for it

[haughty pagoda]

link?

[surreal cove]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/LC_Into_the_Darkness_Team/SCP_MELTDOWN_MUSIC_ZANICK/

im an idiot

I kept LR's description

will fix it later

[dull hawk]

Btw, if anybody is interested: Ubisoft has a big sale going on rn. (I found out because UNO is on sale for $4 with Ultimate Edition at $8, so I bought it for somebody. Lol)

As for subjectively more important news: LethalModManager should be ready very soon. I've gotten a lot of other stuff done so that when I am done with the code, I can just immediately publish it.

(I got to re-evaluate mod downloading logic, so that is annoying, but it should be fine.)

[hasty fog]

as soon as you type the last bracket you're gonna whisper the LMM launch codes to a guy in a black suit and LMM will be posted on thunderstore

[dull hawk]

LOL

[surreal cove]

already have the game

[surreal cove]

bet

[dull hawk]

FINALLY, CONTRACT WORK DONE, I HATE THIS.

At least I got it done before the weekend where I spend the most time on LMM.

Definitely got to fix my sleep schedule again so I'm going to sleep now.

[dull hawk]

Alright, it's modding time.

(aka John Wick falling down the stairs time)

Timer recontinuing at -2:30:00.

@west surge, I heard this a while ago, does fast startup not work with LLL?

[west surge]

don’t know, with le/lecore not receiving updates into the ongoing situation im a little out of the loop on compatibility to be honest.

apologies for the inconvenience , just a bit too much for to keep up with rn

[dull hawk]

All good, just wanting to make sure.

[spare quiver]

iirc I had no issues with LLL, LEcore and fast startup like 2 weeks ago, I changed to the GI implementation tho which works perfectly fine

[dull hawk]

Alright, cool. I have to do my own implementation for quick reload, but I was already messing with this type of thing a while back for LethalUtilities, just never finished.

I only had a half-baked version for LMM. Lol

[hasty fog]

as long as the implementation is graceful and does not skip required scenes for LLL to load its assets, it should be fine

[dull hawk]

Yeah, I'll have a setting in place if there are issues.

(just that quick reload will be a bit slower)

[dull hawk]

Btw, since LMM is basically a menu overhaul (and eventually a full lobby overhaul-ish, and because I literally already have the code ready for this), LMM will handle quick loading, especially because later on, I plan to see if I can get LMM to load before ANYTHING else in BepInEx and Unity, that way you don't need any other mods to load yet, but I'm not sure if I'd be able to.

(At least I'd like to try to get it to load before anything else as much as possible.)

Oh, figured out an issue I was having where the splash screen wouldn't be skipped, I forgot to actually mimic the behavior of quick reloading. Lol

variable in a file that is changed for it, but I forgot to actually do it

LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO

I JUST TESTED IT

AND IT WORKED PERFECTLY

Quick Reload, my beloved.

I keep forgetting to apply the tinted background.

[thin bane]

let's goooo

[dull hawk]

I have less than an hour and a half before John Wick is done falling down the stairs.

[dull hawk]

oh

https://tenor.com/view/iron-man-gif-22205159

Now we got the tint.

[surreal cove]

lets goo

[dull hawk]

-1:00:00

man

[surreal cove]

so does that mean the release date

in 1 hour

[dull hawk]

No, it's just something to encourage me to work faster. Lol

I'm racing the clock.

(aka trying to finish LMM before John Wick stops falling down the stairs)

I'm not really succeeding right now.

[thin bane]

progress is the most important part 🥺

[dull hawk]

totally didn't pause the timer again and got distracted

[thin bane]

***i cannot hear regret 🥲 ***

[dull hawk]

Anyway, time to get back to werrrrk.

holy crap it has already been 2 hours

HOW

[thin bane]

we were having a lovely chat

and talking shit about my coding practices

[dull hawk]

"Uncertain5050"

||Uncertain3367||

[thin bane]

it's just the string that's getting displayed, whatever

😭

[dull hawk]

I almost said something pretty bad. LOL

[thin bane]

https://tenor.com/view/listening-tell-me-more-go-on-hear-gif-16934985

[dull hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/spy-spying-gif-14318059

Moderators be like:

[surreal cove]

lmao

[thin bane]

I was meaning to tell you but forgot (lol) - have you seen the implementation of handling challenge runs?

[dull hawk]

oh gosh what

[thin bane]

it's even better than empty classes

[dull hawk]

I've seen some of it, but it wasn't too bad.

[thin bane]

the StartOfRound.Instance.isChallengeFile

it's everywhere

[dull hawk]

Yeah, that's the part I hate.

[thin bane]

everywhere

[dull hawk]

Yep.

[dull hawk]

Resumed timer. It's now at: -00:30:00.

John Wick may finish falling down the stairs before LMM is done. Lol

[dull hawk]

Last 15 minutes before he is done falling down the stairs, whyyyyyyyy.

https://tenor.com/view/john-wick-4-fall-stairs-gif-10023029565514394388

12 minutes, but brb

... and I'm back. Lol

Quick loading and reloading work perfectly now.

[finite herald]

Nice!

[dull hawk]

(Both are customizable and work together properly.)

You can skip the splash, boot animation, and mode selection. Along with hiding the update and LAN popups.
Defaults for Quick Launch is all vanilla behavior. Default for Quick Reload is skipping literally everything. LOL

If you Quick Reload while playing Online or LAN, it will remember as well and skip it instantly.

It will also remember what lobby you are attempting to join and try to connect you to it.

-00:04:00, I have pretty much failed John Wick. Lol

At least I seemed to have gotten quite a lot more done. (other than the fact that I was doing contract work for most of this week)

[west surge]

Not to throw questions at your celebration, You probably need to handle unloading assetbundles for something like this too if you haven't

[dull hawk]

Nope, it quickly reloads the game. Lol

Like it closes and reopens it.

[west surge]

oh sick

[dull hawk]

Yep.

[west surge]

hm

[dull hawk]

It's REALLY fast when you don't have a bunch of content mods. Lol

[west surge]

nice as

[dull hawk]

-00:01:00, I'm sorry John Wick, you had to fall down all of those stairs for 10 hours.

Definitely an interesting motivator. LOL

-00:00:10

-00:00:00

OML THE ENDING. LOL

I'm probably one of the few people who actually watched the entire thing.

[dull hawk]

Eventually when I have hotloading, yeah, that will have to be done, but that would have to be done by the mods that load AssetBundles in the first place. (For people to know if the mod supports hotloading, they will have to add a tag that LMM can detect at some point.)

[hasty fog]

so how close are we now that john wick has fallen down all those stairs

[dull hawk]

While I was at Karate, I was trying to rethink all of it. I think it will actually be this weekend this time.

Like I dead serious think it will actually be this weekend.

[surreal cove]

Lets goo finally yess

[hasty fog]

what's left to do?

[dull hawk]

I'll compile a list rq.

[iron burrow]

Peeking here seeing how's the progress is going... 👀

[dull hawk]

It should be actually done this weekend.

(At least in terms of beta.)

[iron burrow]

Awesome!

[dull hawk]

Yep!

Listing what I have left to do rn.

[iron burrow]

Can't wait to see it come alive

Bet!

[dull hawk]

Last Mile Run (LethalModManager Beta To-Do List):

• Link up a few more things with UI when setting up mod sync's mod list.
• Handle configs applying via mod sync.
• Final adjustments to mod downloading/deleting behavior. (Along with profiles.)
• Link up 3 more things with the Thunderstore listings/search. (Auto filter modpacks, the actual searched listings, and forced refreshing.)
• Show LMM hosts in lobby search along with a filter for only LMM hosts.
• Finish completely separating a few more features for modularity. (Along with splitting the main config due to compatibility reasons within itself.) (Handling later, but I already handled the config thing.)

(A lot more things to link up than I could remember, but it isn't too bad still, I was actually anticipating it taking a little extra time, which is why I think it will be the weekend rather than tomorrow. Lol)

Oh, right, I have a few other things to link up with the Thunderstore listings, but it's still not that bad at all. (Since I already future-proofed some of the things affected. Lol)

uh what

Just to go ahead and get things out of the way one at a time, I will finish everything related to the Thunderstore searching rn.

(Since that's the easiest and that list is intimidating. Lol)

uh where did my refresh button go

Okay, at least I only lost one UI element, but still, what.

... andddd it's back.

I just need to link the refresh, reverse sort, sort order, result count, and search. Oh, right, I got to add a button for filtering out modpacks.

This is more or less just for me to remember. Lol

[surreal cove]

looking clean

[surreal cove]

ayo

[dull hawk]

Yep.

Very Lethal.

Hey, it works with custom content now, noice.

what.

the amount of time- i swear

man, after so long, i'm so close

HOLY CRAP, REFRESH ACTUALLY WORKED FIRST TRY.

It also didn't take too long to update.

[dull hawk]

Thank goodness for me overly future-proofing things. Lol

(Though that is also part of the reason for LMM being delayed so much. Lol)

[dull hawk]

Now only sort order, result count, and the modpack filter.

[surreal cove]

Btw will the mod require lethal mod manager

Or can you delete it

Once you finish downloading it

[oblique marten]

will Lethal Mod Manager require Lethal Mod Manager?

[surreal cove]

Wait

I’m restarted

[dull hawk]

I have found out what are the most updated mods on Thunderstore.

Ayyyy, LethalUtilities is on the second page for it. LOL

LethalEditor is on the 6th. Lol

[oblique marten]

this is sorted by number of versions or something?

[dull hawk]

Casually has 96 results at once. Lol

[dull hawk]

That's the sort option that I have on rn, yes. Lol

These are the current options, but Most Dependents may get removed due to how intense it is.

[oblique marten]

I'm surprised I don't see OpenBodyCams there then lol

[dull hawk]

Found it.

[oblique marten]

ope

yeah that figures

[dull hawk]

It was #14.

[oblique marten]

Most Updated to my mind implies that it's the average number of updates over a certain period of time though, but I assume this is total? Perhaps it should be called Most Versions instead, if it's the total?

[dull hawk]

Eh, it is the total, but it never striked me as a specific time limit of sorts. Lol

I did think of Most Versions to keep consistency with the other options.

[oblique marten]

it seems to be the most clear phrasing to me, but maybe others will disagree

[dull hawk]

Nah, I'd agree, I was debating it.

[oblique marten]

and Most Dependents would be the number of mods that depend on the mod in question?

[dull hawk]

Yep.

[oblique marten]

it seems like a useful number, but the name Dependents feels a bit confusing, it sounds kind of synonymous with Dependencies, like how many mods the mod in question has hard dependencies on

[dull hawk]

(Going to add one for Most Dependencies as well.)-

well

Lol

[oblique marten]

not sure what word would be best though

lol

[dull hawk]

Eh, it's the -ent/-encies pickle.

Not really much that can be done that would be specific and inclusive.

You can't do Modpacks because that's a bit confusing, and sometimes mods depend on it if it is an API.

[oblique marten]

yeah

[dull hawk]

(and the latter isn't always an API regardless.)

[oblique marten]

actually, now that I think about it again, I suppose it does make sense to call them dependents

it's just not something I would immediately associate with that

[dull hawk]

Yeah.

(You are a dependent when you are a minor, you are dependent on your parents.)

(You are a dependency to them.)

[oblique marten]

oh that's actually dependant

but yeah, close enough lol

I think they are semi-synonymous despite the different spelling, but I can't say I'm sure

or perhaps dependent is the american spelling? hmm

google time lol

[dull hawk]

Idk. Lol

I got to go to bed now.

[oblique marten]

same actually, I better not go down this rabbit hole now

[dull hawk]

Haha.

[oblique marten]

gngn

[dull hawk]

Night.

[surreal cove]

A way to sort modpack an and blacklist modpacks?

[tepid sedge]

How do you handle lobby metadata and/or Runtime Installation (if I correctly understand how this works)? Would be interested in providing methods in LobbyCompatibility to more easily "unregister" mods.

Also do you happen to know how mods are enabled/disabled in bepinex (or in your case specifically)? want to make make sure disabled mods don't appear in the mod list

[dull hawk]

The hotloading isn't being done for LMM at this point in time since most mods wouldn't be compatible and it would only be a small set of people that have mods that would be compatible.

[tepid sedge]

Okay, good to know

[dull hawk]

Yeeeep.

[tepid sedge]

Well ig if you ever do support hotloading just lmk - ik in my template I "support" hotloading by default with a patch/unpatch method so if enough people use it you can - though tbh I don't know if that is enough

[rigid salmon]

Is there a released version out yet? I think its a really cool idea!

[dull hawk]

I have something like it already to completely hotload a DLL.

[dull hawk]

Not yet, but I think I will be releasing LMM's beta this weekend.

[rigid salmon]

Sick! I have been following this project for a few weeks now

[tepid sedge]

kk; it sucks ig, but not much we can do about that

[dull hawk]

Only problem is that you can't really truly remove a running mod in-game.

[dull hawk]

What sucks?

[pastel geyser]

That’s what you say every week😔😔

[tepid sedge]

not supporting hotloading

[tepid sedge]

lmao get used to it - modders do this on volunteer time

[pastel geyser]

I have gotten used to it

[thin bane]

😟

[pastel geyser]

Time to take a hot bath

[dull hawk]

Not really, I will be at some point, but the only reason I didn't is because I didn't want people complaining about problems when I recommend quick reloading. (Closing the game and skipping all the way to joining the lobby.)

[dull hawk]

I did say I was dead serious that I think it would be this weekend. Like I'm pretty dang sure it will.

[tepid sedge]

ah

[dull hawk]

Yeah, but eventually I will add an API where people can tag their mods for being compatible and add methods that support hotloading and unloading.

[tepid sedge]

oh neat

[dull hawk]

Yep, I might even be able to ask Thunderstore if they can add it as a category tag, which would be easier for the modders.

(If LMM gets big enough.)

Anyway, I'll be back, I just got up and my entire body is in pain.

[dull hawk]

Wow, that took 30 minutes for me to brush my teeth and get my food.

[pastel geyser]

(My back hurts like fuck)

[dull hawk]

Yeah, I got a bad back too.

Idk why my entire body has been hurting so much lately, but every time I wake up, it's just been in a lot of pain.

[spare quiver]

might be a sickness called "aging" or smth like that

[dull hawk]

Lol, shouldn't be a problem for me yet.

I'm literally just turning 19.

[finite herald]

I’ve had back problems since like

16?

Like the first couple months of me being 16

[dull hawk]

Yeah, I got something I was born with that got aggravated when I fell directly on it. Lol

[finite herald]

I was carrying around so many textbooks for finals studying that I actually messed up the muscles going from my sides up my back

[dull hawk]

Jeez, I never had that happen.

[thin bane]

😓

[finite herald]

I still haven’t fully recovered and I’m in my early 20s

[dull hawk]

I had one of the heaviest backpacks around, but I always stood straight up, so that might be why I'm fine.

[finite herald]

Admittedly that’s partially due to me not taking care of myself lol

Oh my backpack was heavy

[dull hawk]

Ah, jeez, definitely need to take care of yourself.

[finite herald]

And never had the best posture

[dull hawk]

It's why I'm taking this month off of Karate, I got to focus on my health more.

[finite herald]

It’s wayyyyy better than it was though

I couldn’t sleep right for like

I think almost a year

[dull hawk]

DEFINITELY BAD TO DO.

[finite herald]

Because I’m a side-sleeper, and when I laid on my side it felt like my like body was caving in

[dull hawk]

Oh yeah, when I'd lay down, I used to be in immense pain following this.

[finite herald]

Physiotherapy did freaking wonders

[dull hawk]

Jeez, I only had it when laying normal.

[dull hawk]

Oh, I just got over it. LOL

(Not good to do, but luckily it comes and goes.)

[finite herald]

Yeah mine needed physio, it wouldn’t have healed naturally

I mean it still isn’t fully healed and that was with physio and effectively having a personal trainer while focusing on exercises to strengthen those muscles for a few months in twelfth grade

I remember the first night I was able to sleep well though

Holy crap it was amazing

[dull hawk]

Dang.

[finite herald]

I didn’t get a good nights sleep in I think a little over a year

[dull hawk]

When my pain started going away, I was really happy. Lol

[finite herald]

Yeah mine is def manageable now

[dull hawk]

I can't do sit-ups though.

[finite herald]

Work aggravates it though

[dull hawk]

I have to do hip thrusts.

I bet.

[finite herald]

I’m a Walmart cashier 💀

[dull hawk]

.

how the heck does that make your back worse

[finite herald]

Standing in one spot for hours straight doing repetitive motions

[dull hawk]

I thought you were a storage person at first.

[dull hawk]

I mean, yeah, I guess, just definitely make sure you stand up straight.

[finite herald]

kills my back

[dull hawk]

Even when I sit in my chair, I keep my back straight.

[finite herald]

When I do eight hours shifts I normally can’t do anything for the rest of the night

[dull hawk]

(even if im sitting weirdly)

[dull hawk]

DANG.

"You hear that kids? STRAIGHTEN YOUR BLOODY BACK NOW."

[finite herald]

lol

I’ve considered getting a little back brace posture corrector thing a few times

It’d help when my back’s bad

[dull hawk]

You might need it considering it has gotten worse BECAUSE your lack of posture. Lol

[finite herald]

Nah my posture is better than it used to be I’d say

[dull hawk]

That's definitely good, but it sucks that the damage is done.

[finite herald]

tbh if I actually put in effort I could probably be healed in a year or so

[dull hawk]

You should definitely be doing that now.

[finite herald]

Oh I should

Unfortunately I’m also very mentally ill and even getting out of bed is difficult

[dull hawk]

The only thing I can do is stretch, I'm permanently screwed because my issue started from birth.

(and you never want to get surgery)

[finite herald]

Not an excuse though

just part of the reason

[dull hawk]

Ah, yeah, but I hope you get better both mentally and physically.

[finite herald]

Were you born with it, or was there an issue during delivery?

[dull hawk]

Born with it.

[finite herald]

I was delivered weird

[dull hawk]

Something is fused.

[finite herald]

lol

[finite herald]

Oooof

[dull hawk]

I forgot what exactly it was, but 20% of people are born with it. (or maybe it was 10%, I can't remember.)

[finite herald]

I was a doctor’s first delivery and they messed it up, so I have some minor neck issues and part of my head is straight up flat

[dull hawk]

My 5th vertebrae is fused with something that starts with an s that I forget the name of.

[thin bane]

😟

[finite herald]

Ahh that sucks

[dull hawk]

5th vertebrae fused to sacrum.

[finite herald]

Back issues are the worst

Because most other parts of the body you can do something for relief

[dull hawk]

It also screws me over for bending over.

[finite herald]

Back issues you can’t really

It’s just

Suffer

[dull hawk]

(Especially because it is bent already more than it should be.)

[dull hawk]

Yep, it sucks.

[finite herald]

My dad has a herniated disc (I think that’s the term?) and my mom broke her back as a child

[dull hawk]

Yeah, my dad has 2 herniated discs.

[finite herald]

Dear god

That poor soul

[dull hawk]

He's a mailman.

(So there is no escaping the work.)

[finite herald]

That’s horrible omg

[dull hawk]

Jeez, sucks for your mom though.

My mom hurt her back, but didn't break it.

[finite herald]

Eh she doesn’t get many issues from it believe it or not

[dull hawk]

(fell backwards onto the edge of the stairs)

[dull hawk]

I mean, kids are weirdly durable.

[finite herald]

She just can’t bend over fully— I didn’t even know she had any impact from it until I was in my teens I think

[dull hawk]

Ah, I see.

I think the more serious issue that my mom has is just her shoulder being very bad.

[finite herald]

I never put together that my neck issues were because of my delivery until like a few months ago

[dull hawk]

Still sucks though.

[dull hawk]

Huh, well then.

[finite herald]

I’ve always preferred laying on my right side and have had a bit more mobility in turning that way

And was like wait a minute

My head causes no issues fortunately

Has zero impact and isn’t noticeable whatsoever

As long as I don’t lose my hair I’m fine

Thank the lord that gene comes from your mothers side since my dad started losing his in his 20s

I used to just sit on my bed and use my wall mounted tv as my main monitor, but using a chair with my ultrawide as my main has def helped my back a lot

[dull hawk]

Ah, nice.

[finite herald]

It’s one of those little like plastic office desk chair things but it’s better than nothing

[dull hawk]

I try not to lay on my side as much anymore, but yeah, I think I also prefer laying on my right side.

[dull hawk]

Definitely should eventually get a better one, not even the ones that cost a thousand dollars, just some cheap comfortable chair, it might not look the best, but it would work. (might suck for fabric breathability tho)

[finite herald]

Yeah I need to at some point, unfortunately I have very little room

[dull hawk]

(If your room is well ventilated, it should help with that.)

[dull hawk]

Ah, that sucks.

[finite herald]

I have it with one of those like foldable wooden desks

I didn’t use a chair previously bc I straight up didn’t have the room

[dull hawk]

JEEZ.

[finite herald]

But I moved things around a bit

Yeah I have a big bed lol

[dull hawk]

Well I hope you can make up some more room soon.

[dull hawk]

Oh, that makes a lot more sense. LOL

[finite herald]

Yeah my room isn’t super tiny or anything

Just the way everything is set up

[dull hawk]

When my grandparents are over, I have to stay in my game room, so I barely have much room.

Yeah.

[dull hawk]

I'm changing something up because it barely takes any extra RAM for it. (It will have the dependents already calculated rather than being somewhat intensive for it to constantly calculate it.)

(I countered it either way by just removing another field that is repetitive, which took up way more RAM than this adds.)

[finite herald]

Oh neat

[dull hawk]

Yeah, I want the mod managing aspect to be as smooth as possible at beta.

I can only hope mod syncing will be as well.

(It runs off of the same code, so it really shouldn't have problems.)

[finite herald]

This will definitely be an essential mod

[dull hawk]

Well, the good thing is that r2modman is a lot smoother, so that already helps people anyway. (It previously being slow helped contribute to the decline of LC modding, but now it is so much smoother that it should help bring people back, and now LMM will be beta releasing, which will also help a lot more due to mod sync.)

[dull hawk]

what.

why

wait what

that was an incredibly dumb reason for it breaking

there were two things that broke it entirely... what.

Alright, well, everything is all good now, but that was really weird.

[dull hawk]

Let's goooo, already fixed this.

(let's just say, somehow something relating to it was completely breaking the entire game)

[dull hawk]

uh, okay, im getting a lot of incredibly weird bugs after changing very specific things, i've fixed all but 1 instantly, but it's still concerning on how this is all happening...

One major example was that Unity would crash the game... after closing...? (This happened after I made it delete UI results during Thunderstore search if you changed the result count to be lower.)

[dull hawk]

... and I don't even know how to explain this one, this one literally made no sense because the code I disabled did exactly what it did in lines prior, just as a separate task? (It updated the UI positioning after getting the dependent count in an asynchronous task, but started crashing randomly.)

legit none of these are even updated anymore

[oblique marten]

is unity thread-safe to where you can do that asynchronously? I thought they had no safety measures to prevent race conditions

or I guess you might mean asynchronous on the main thread, I forget that's what that usually refers to in Unity

[dull hawk]

Yeah.

Before it was perfectly fine, idk what the heck happened, but it just broke randomly.

[oblique marten]

that does sound really odd

[dull hawk]

Apparently it will still randomly crash when closing (which isn't important, just weird), but it is very minimal now.

[dull hawk]

Yeah, like usually some developers may be like "I didn't do anything", but like, in this case, I literally didn't do anything relating to it. Lol

The only thing I did somewhat relating to it was optimize the code prior to it within the asynchronous task.

It's about as weird as my mouth just randomly deciding to pool blood when I put my mouthpiece in before sparring last night. Lol

it's the curse of letting John Wick fall down the stairs for 10 hours

[oblique marten]

yikes, that would be alarming lol

[dull hawk]

Lol

[dull hawk]

@unreal vault, oh, I just came across one of your mods with this. Lol

[unreal vault]

oh 😆

[dull hawk]

I legit just did search with an underscore and came across it. Lol

[unreal vault]

probably because description contains an underscore

[dull hawk]

Yep.

Ace***_***Ezreal

I handle dependent calculations WAY better now, which has also fixed some other things, but just made switching pages much nicer.

(It calculates immediately after getting data for all mods, rather than individually for every mod shown calculating through each mod and/or version. Basically it doesn't search every mod/version per mod, and it's more accurate now.)

Idrk how to word it. Lol

It's just better.

[dull hawk]

Alright, Thunderstore searching is completely done for now.

I will improve it way more later on (with extensive filters), but for now, it is fine.

I will continue in the morning.

[surreal cove]

bet!

[dull hawk]

Man, I slept like crap. Time for cold brewwwww.

[dull hawk]

Time to look at that list again before I aimlessly wander my own code for an entire day.

[dull hawk]

No longer intense btw.

[dull hawk]

This is tho (just for now, I will optimize it a lot later)

[dull hawk]

.

[surreal cove]

it would be cool to search for modpacks that are like:
Must include these mods:
Must exclude these mods:

[dull hawk]

Figured out another issue.

Fixed, idk how it was caused, but now it is fixed.

(Basically it would hide the right half of mods when first opening the Thunderstore listings.)

[surreal cove]

nice

[dull hawk]

and the dude is trying to get me to do another thing for them as if it was apart of the initial requirements of the contract work, lovely (time to ignore)

[surreal cove]

lol

[dull hawk]

Oh shoot, I didn't see you were typing, Discord wasn't even saying there were any new messages.

Yeah, that's a good idea.

I'll have to work on that later.

[dull hawk]

For some reason, the last slot always says Join regardless of it being an LMM host.

[surreal cove]

bet

[dull hawk]

Slightly janky solution that I did, but it works.

Eventually I'll be redoing the lobby UI, but for now, it will be stuck like this. Lol

Also, the mod manager/lister/syncer will no longer be toggleable, I don't really have the time to work on that, but it won't affect anything anyway. (They all use the same data that it gets from Thunderstore in order to work properly, so at that point, you aren't really doing anything by disabling one unless you were to disable all of them, at which it's just stupid to have LMM in the first place. I will allow it at some point, but not now with this little time left.)

[dull hawk]

Mod sync is already opt-in from the get-go, you literally choose whether or not you want to use it when opening a lobby.

LobbySearcher and ResizableLobbies are the only things that are toggleable at this point in time.

[dull hawk]

Alright, not much left.

(Btw, I will go ahead and say that there will be some configs that will only be accessible in File Explorer or an external mod manager.)

In your main Steam directory will lie your PERSONAL LethalModManager folder. This will not be affected by any external mod managers.

It will include all of this.

It includes these settings that you can easily change with any text editing program. (Notepad++ for example.)
(Ignore ResizableLobbies being set to true for default, that is meant to be false, I just forgot to set it back.)

THESE SETTINGS (other than the Active Settings that I forgot to split from this) CANNOT BE CHANGED by external mod managers or modpacks.

It is your personal settings for LethalModManager.

These are the settings that can be modified by modpacks and external mod managers. (Excluding the Active Settings one from the other config that I forgot to transfer over.)

They have to be able to be modified for compatibility reasons.

(Ignore my personal settings, they are not the defaults, I just have it like that for quick testing.)

[dull hawk]

The only thing that could be a problem is the quick reloading, so I might just go ahead and switch that over to this one.

(Just in case modpacks may have to change it if it breaks some stuff, idk.)

[surreal cove]

oh my this is complicated

[dull hawk]

Not really. Lol

Luckily only the personal config will have to be modified manually.

I'm also probably going to add a button to go directly to it in File Explorer, idk.

(Depends if it is available for all platforms.)

[sage socket]

If beta is out by tonight I'm gonna test this so hard lol

[dull hawk]

I'd hope I would be able to get it out tonight, but it might be tomorrow instead. (Unless things go EXTREMELY SMOOTHLY.)

[hasty fog]

manifesting the smoothest dev session the world has ever seen so it'll be out by the time we play tonight 🙏

[dull hawk]

Man, if only I would have that sooner, this would've been done like a week or two ago.

Alright, back to werk.

[dull hawk]

Not much left.

[dull hawk]

Okay NOW back to work, ended up eating rq. Lol

[dull hawk]

I need to see if I can prioritize these sync ones.

Okay, actually I don't need to spend too much time on that if I can help it.

[dull hawk]

Things are going pretty well.

This MIGHT be able to come out tonight.

[sage socket]

Will the beta just be the .dll dropped in here or do you plan on posting it to thunderstore?

[dull hawk]

It will be uploaded to Thunderstore.

[sage socket]

Coolio

[tidal fossil]

You have been cooking.

[dull hawk]

Indeed.

[sage socket]

One of my friends installs mods through thunderstore so I'm just gonna tell him to only install this mod into a profile

And see how that goes

Lmao

[dull hawk]

If it won't come out today, I see NO REASON for it to not come out tomorrow. I've handled every single problem to the point where everything should be smooth, depending on the settings.

[sage socket]

Hell yeah

[dull hawk]

Yeah, unfortunately it will still rely on going to Thunderstore for stuff like seeing WHAT the dependencies are, but soon I plan to make it show in-game as well.

[hasty fog]

i was gonna do that too lmao

anyway good luck man, we're all rooting for you

[dull hawk]

Thanks, I'm trying. Lol

[hasty fog]

if you can't make it tonight then don't stress over it

[dull hawk]

Yeah.

I still want it to work well.

[sage socket]

Might be a little tedious at times but I don't think it'll be too bad

I personally have been compiling a Google doc of mods I want to play with, and I have listed all the dependencies each one needs

So I'm prepared to go to each dependency individually

• profile code should just install each dependency like a mod anyway right?

So while tedious for the mod organizer, friends will just have to put in the profile code

[dull hawk]

Yeah, either way, it will still download all of them automatically, just that you won't be able to see them directly in-game.

[dull hawk]

OH, no, you don't have to do that. It's automatic.

[sage socket]

Oh cool!

[dull hawk]

I was just talking about for those who may not want certain mods due to their dependencies.

(Like LC_API.)

[sage socket]

I see

[dull hawk]

Profile code support will not be added yet.

[sage socket]

Good to know

[dull hawk]

Either way, they join you (when you are using mod sync), and it will all be good.

[hasty fog]

i believe you've answered this before but i can't remember, will this support syncing locally installed mods

[dull hawk]

Not yet due to security reasons.

[sage socket]

Makes sense

[dull hawk]

Eventually, yes, but it will be a setting buried that won't be accessible in-game because some people just like turning everything on regardless of what it actually does.

Plus, I need to add warnings and stuff in-game for those who may want to join lobbies with hosts that have local mods.

[sage socket]

That'll be a good way for control company lobbies to hide they're using it

Whether that's a good or bad thing is up to interpretation

[dull hawk]

Lol

Brb

[hasty fog]

i think mods like control company detector will still be able to detect that

[sage socket]

I imagine so

So while I won't be able to share profile codes with friends yet they should just be able to hit sync on my lobby and get the mods

Love to hear it

Two questions I have

What happens if two mods have the same dependency but different versions?

And if I'm trying to make a private lobby just for friends to join, would that show in their lobby browser?

If I were to invite them through Steam, would it automatically sync on accepting invite?

[hasty fog]

i believe syncing will always be prompted

dunno if there's a system to automatically sync with whitelisted users

[dull hawk]

It will just do the highest version, just like how it currently works.

[dull hawk]

It will show during the mod syncing process, yes.

[dull hawk]

Not automatically, they will always be prompted.

[dull hawk]

I wouldn't add it.

If you trust them, just set everything to download and quick reload.

[dull hawk]

Alright, got to get back to the grind before I go out for hotdogs with my family.

@flat oasis, you around?

Actually, I'll just go back to the private thread because of the other guy.

[dull hawk]

Alright, well I just figured out a REALLY good solution for handling the mod sync prompt.

Far better than what I originally was going to do.

[thin bane]

let's gooo 🔥🔥

[sage socket]

Very cool

[dull hawk]

OH, FORGOT TO SAY, QUICK RELOADING IS NEAR PERFECT (it actually loads so fast that it breaks other features of LMM. LOL)

With a tester, I joined them directly on Steam, it prompted me with mod sync, I quick reloaded, and it threw me a mach 10 into the lobby, breaking everything around it. Lol

[hasty fog]

what's the verdict looking like, tonight or tomorrow

[dull hawk]

I'm still pushing for today, but I just went out with family.

Bottom line: tomorrow at the latest.

[dull hawk]

Alright, yeah, my family and I are still out rn, and will be out for quite a bit longer, so it looks like it will be tomorrow.

[sage socket]

Have fun with them!

[dull hawk]

Yeah, just got back, thanks. Lol

[dull hawk]

Alright, I figured out what exactly happened since I barely could check the errors since I was in a rush to get out of the house.

Basically something ran too early without a certain check to prevent it from breaking things.

I added that check and I made it run a little later.

[dull hawk]

Alright, one of my testers just helped me again, mod sync behavior works perfectly now. (this is excluding downloading logic, but as long as downloading works, mod sync will as well)

Basically I just need to handle the downloading (and applying) logic properly and everything will work PERFECTLY.

Well, hopefully perfectly, idk how things like MelonLoader will work. Lol

I don't think Thunderstore handles it any differently.

I even checked the source code from @pearl plover's r2modmanPlus and it seems to not bother with it, which I don't expect it to anyway, I'm just not entirely sure.

Btw, Ebkr, I love the r2modman update, it's so much faster now.

[hasty fog]

god yes the latest r2mm is so much nicer

it doesnt take 84 years to disable a mod in a list with more than 20 mods now

[dull hawk]

Yeah, I love it.

Somewhat defeats the original secondary purpose of LMM, but I'm still making it work. Lol

Anyway, I am heading to bed.

Got to wake up early tomorrow so that I can finish this up before I go over to a friend's.

[pearl plover]

What are you looking for?

[dull hawk]

Is there any special way that mods that use other modloaders like MelonLoader are downloaded?

[pearl plover]

Downloaded no, installed yes

https://github.com/ebkr/r2modmanPlus/tree/develop/src/r2mm/installing/default_installation_rules/game_rules

The tracking method property of each one specifies how a folder (or loose files) are handled

So it’s less mod loader related and more of a game specific declaration however STATE is predominately ML and SUBDIR is primarily BepInEx

[dull hawk]

Ah, jeez, alright, thank you.

[surreal cove]

hows progress on LMM

[dull hawk]

It REALLY should be done today. I just also have to change some installation logic around.

I've been getting a lot done.

[surreal cove]

bet

[thin bane]

the goat 🔥

[dull hawk]

I will be going over to a somebody's house today though, so if I can't get it before I leave, it will most likely be released in 12-ish hours.

I won't sleep until it is done.

(it's that close)

[dull hawk]

Well shoot, friend is about to pick me up, LAN support for mod sync won't be out yet, mod detection isn't the best yet (but works for most mods), but everything else should be good?
Beta release will be going out in like 12 hours, so it will basically be like Christmas morning when you wake up and all of the presents are there. (I will finish it before I go to sleep, regardless of how long it takes, but it shouldn't be any longer.)

I've also fixed some other issues already, along with adding priority to Mod Sync Lobbies to show at the top of the list.

(Later on, LMM will have its own custom lobby searcher that is completely independent of LC's lobby searching.)

When you join via Steam, it prompts you with the downloads before letting you join.

One issue that I'm really trying to address is having to constantly quick reload for every lobby despite it being the same mods/configs.

I think I know how to handle it though.

I might be able to allow a skip feature for those that have the exact same mods for sure, but it would ignore the configs. (So if your friend doesn't change the configs after you've already gotten the temp profile, it would be completely fine to skip configs and go directly into the lobby.)

I also will not really be able to allow enabling or disabling requested configs to download yet. (I still don't have the UI ready.)

Either way, this release will serve as a test to make sure everything that's already done will actually work.

[hasty fog]

will you gradually release new features after the beta is out or release it all in 1.0?

[dull hawk]

Gradually.

Right now, I got the base code for everything finally done, meaning I can easily append new features without waiting to finish others.

The only thing I have to wait on is me to finish the UI for whatever feature it is.

[hasty fog]

alright, well, good luck with the release tonight. i'll be asleep so i'm looking forward to seeing it when i wake up lol

[sage socket]

Will it overwrite LC's lobby searching or just be in its own tab?

[dull hawk]

It will have it's own tab when it is done.

(So you'll have the regular one that LC has that is untouched, and then LMM's that is in the actual mod manager UI.)

[dull hawk]

Thanks.

[pure halo]

Does it by default sync configuration? How does ot handle profiles? Does it support thunderstore or do you have to install to the games file path?

[steep axle]

From previous messages yeah pretty sure it does.

pretty sure i heard sync configs on here and saw thunderstore mods on the screenshots

[thin bane]

#1186595897052774472 message

[pure halo]

That's just enabling and disabling. One must come default yes?

[hasty fog]

configs are synced by default

[pure halo]

Woot

[thin bane]

i've read that wrong then - it's gonna be goated 🔥

[hasty fog]

eventually in the future you will be able to choose what configs you don't want to be synced, thats what the message is saying

[steep axle]

Cant wait too use this a join modded lobbys far easier

[pure halo]

Can't wait for us to get it in our hands and break it immediately.

[dull hawk]

ALRIGHT

JUST GOT HOME, GOT TO EAT RQ AND GET BACK ON THE GRINDDDDD

I was also thinking of how to handle some future updates.

[dull hawk]

3 hours until I usually go to sleep, fun.

[dull hawk]

Jeez, took me an hour to finish my food.

[dull hawk]

Man, I'm going turbo mode rn.

[oblique marten]

good luck, I hope you don't have to stay up too long to finish this if you're committed to that

[dull hawk]

Yeah... I hope so too.

I already got a headache earlier.

Probably didn't help that I had chocolate ice cream as well. (Chocolate is not good for migranes, and I think it is the same for headaches.)

[maiden bridge]

Don't fret to pace yourself if you need it, best to make sure you're in the right head space to work on things and not to rush

[dull hawk]

Nah, it's not that much left, I kind of need this pressure anyway.

[sage socket]

I must eepy

I wish you the best of luck

[dull hawk]

Thank you, sleep well. Lol

[dull hawk]

Yeah, I'll have to immediately do a slight rewrite after release because I was apparently braindead on some parts that are now gimmicky.

[oblique marten]

that's a classic

getting things working is more important than getting things right the first time though

[dull hawk]

Ish, had I done it properly, it would've cut down on dev time a LOT.

Especially rn.

[oblique marten]

ah gotcha

[dull hawk]

Yeah, I guess I was just completely braindead for some of it.

Then again, it took a while until I handled the overall UI properly.

(which cut down on dev time and made it much more stable and less gimmicky)

[oblique marten]

I suppose it depends on how obvious the proper solution is, but I usually feel like even if my time was spent doing something the wrong way it still helps me to get a better idea of how to do it well in a refactor/rewrite

in the end I almost always learn something so it was time well spent

[dull hawk]

Yeah, but in this case, it really was just me being braindead. Lol

(Especially because it is something I am specifically REALLY good in.)

That's it, I'm just going to go ahead and do some stuff for it.

[dull hawk]

Alright, well, unfortunately I could not deliver in time, part of it was bad code that I tried adding extra functionality to that would end up being too janky. I'm sorry that I could not deliver the whole Christmas morning miracle, but I really still do have it almost done, just that some things weren't fully baked enough, and I don't need to push myself to not go to sleep until it is done. I no longer have Karate for the month, so I have a lot more time, but I will be hanging out with another friend later, but not nearly as long. I'm just glad that it will be in time for Spring Break to start for schools and colleges. I also got to ask Ebkr for some more clarity on the installation rules due to things like MelonLoader being weird along with stray files. (Since ML keeps getting annoyingly bigger and bigger.)
After this beta release, updates will be coming out a lot more frequently, just that the base code needs a bit more done, but mainly the mod managing code behind it as well. (Things like mod downloading version/profile selection wasn't looking too good until just an hour ago.)

I will be back to work on it when I wake up, I will not let my work be in vain. I'm so close to finishing it finally.

[gray snow]

how about you take it slowly it doesn't need to be done tomorrow

[dull hawk]

Admittedly, the main reason that led me to stop is because somebody really close to me was worried, and I do agree that I shouldn't be jeopardizing my health to finish it early when I took this month off of Karate (for the first time in 2 years) just to focus on my health and becoming an adult.

There really isn't much left, so I do think it could be done tomorrow, but I guess we'll just see.

I'm still ticked off that I couldn't get it done in time though.

I want to seamlessly play with my friends again, so this is very needed for myself, not just for others.

[dull hawk]

Well, just woke up and my parents wanted to go furniture shopping, but I feel like crap. Lol

[gray snow]

they don't need you to buy furniture lmao

but go spend some time with your family

[dull hawk]

They are picking out a sectional, but it's very far downtown, point is, I don't feel well enough to go, haha.

It's too early for me to do that.

Only got 6 hours of sleep, anyway.

If they were going somewhere more fun, maybe, but the area is pretty boring.

(And I still got to finish LMM.)

[gray snow]

have you thought of getting a bit more?