Skinwalkers

[vagrant oak]

Lol if we get anymore hotfixes we're gonna get V50 early XD

[potent dagger]

🙄 I literally just updated my mods to say v48

[vagrant oak]

Yeah v49 was released because the masked enemies were extremely bugged

On the vanilla end

[craggy finch]

We might as well, considering red screen bug from masked attack is still not fixed.

[vagrant oak]

LC Masked Fix was also removed

cus it's considered deprecated

[vagrant oak]

Did you test it with v49 though?

[craggy finch]

#1185257048225615902 message

[wispy wolf]

What??

[vagrant oak]

LC Masked Fix got readded cus it fixes a bug with the red screen happening, but it was removed before lol

[wispy wolf]

That's not masked enemy overhaul is it

I got them mixed up

Yeah but I'll be using a different implementation for syncing audio

[vagrant oak]

Yeah no it isn't lol

[vagrant oak]

I can't wait, cus it's so odd having a mimic of myself spawn then using my friends voices lol

[craggy finch]

I doubt that will be synced.

[wispy wolf]

?

[vagrant oak]

Isn't that the point of syncing the audio lol

[craggy finch]

No.

[vagrant oak]

Ah

[craggy finch]

It's so everyone hears same thing.

[vagrant oak]

Ohhhhhh

Yeah that is gonna be QOL

[craggy finch]

They're talking about other mods making Masked wear player cosmetics. And thought voices would aslo match that.

[vagrant oak]

I swear I remember 1A3 somehow said they managed to sync audio for masked enemy overhaul before though

[wispy wolf]

FML why doesn't zeekerss make steam announcements for these patches

[vagrant oak]

Lol

[craggy finch]

ikr

[vagrant oak]

I guess they don't consider hotfixes worth it lol

[wispy wolf]

Uhh it doesn't work tho, the method is flawed

[craggy finch]

Huh?

[wispy wolf]

Maybe but now people are gonna complain about mods not working to me 😓

[vagrant oak]

I think Rug intended that response for what I said lol

[vagrant oak]

No mods broke with v49 you're all good XD

[craggy finch]

I wouldn't say no mods.

[wispy wolf]

U sure..?

[vagrant oak]

Okay well nothing in my list broke

[wispy wolf]

Skin walkers still works?

[potent dagger]

tbf v49 was a very small change https://diffy.org/diff/e407fa21649a2

[vagrant oak]

It should, it worked when v48 came out before you even released an update for v48

yeah it was

[potent dagger]

only one change to the masked enemy and a few changes to scrap but that's basically it

[craggy finch]

What about the inverse teleporter?

[vagrant oak]

Inverse Teleporter had a bug where you couldn't use it til you left the moon and went back

when you bought it

[potent dagger]

😂

what if i dont wanna be friends with a massive forest giant...

[wispy wolf]

Lol

[cedar terrace]

[Error :RugbugRedfern.SkinwalkerMod] LogoManager OnSceneLoaded Error: Object reference not set to an instance of an object

does this matter ?

[wispy wolf]

did u launch in LAN?

[cedar terrace]

yeah i think so

it was two instances on lan

for testing something

[wispy wolf]

yeah then its fine

it does that

[cedar terrace]

alright

[vagrant oak]

https://clips.twitch.tv/GrossAthleticSharkDBstyle-jj3sUWqP5VPmrnSG Lol

Was honestly timed so great, it spoke after he turned off the walkie then walked up talking like he saw items then went "Wait" when he saw me XD

[vernal grove]

Can you fix the spam of this message?
It makes it very hard to check for logs and stuff when it keeps dragging me to the bottom of the console every few seconds

[vagrant oak]

Just change your BepInEx LogLevels to only be Fatal, Error, Warning

[vernal grove]

Oh cool, thanks

[cedar terrace]

this only happens solo or before playing

its still not a good way to go about it though

one message is enough

[wispy wolf]

well if its spamming u know somethings not quite right

cuz it shouldn't be spamming if you're in a lobby with friends

itll be removed in a future update tho dw

[oblique solstice]

hooray

[fringe sundial]

and then a couple minutes later i was trolling you pretending to be a skinwalker and you almost started beating me to death 😭

[vagrant oak]

Tbf you did move around just like your mimic would

XD

[cedar terrace]

bet

[valid igloo]

hello. can you disable skinwalkers for modded entities/creatures?

oh nevermind 💀

last time i checked the config there wasn't an option. my bad

[vivid estuary]

❤️ this mod

[shadow quarry]

you rug, correct me if I am wrong but isn't there a feature where masked only use the voice of the player they used to be?

[onyx fossil]

is there a way to make the lines server side?

[craggy finch]

Yes. By making a server side version of the mod. 😅

[potent dagger]

there isn't in the official version however it was something included in the improvements I sent to him

[wispy wolf]

I'll probably work on that today

[shadow quarry]

So you coded that?

[wispy wolf]

He decompiled it and added some stuff

[shadow quarry]

I'd like to know how the game checks if a player in specific is being mimicked and how it knows who for my own mod

[wispy wolf]

I have a different plan for the implementation though

[wispy wolf]

Mimics have a variable that tells what player they are mimicing

[shadow quarry]

like say you have players 1,2,3,4
3 puts on a mask, how does the game know they were 3

[wispy wolf]

^

[shadow quarry]

hmm

I was trying to code it in by tracking player id

How does that variable work? does it just tie a number to players in the order they join?

[potent dagger]

MaskedPlayerEnemy maskedEntity = (MaskedPlayerEnemy)ai;
if (maskedEntity != null && maskedEntity.mimickingPlayer != null)
{
    Debug.Log(maskedEntity.mimickingPlayer.actualClientId);
}```

when a player joins they are assigned to whatever the first unused player controller is and the masked enemy has a reference to the player controller of the person it killed via .mimickingPlayer

[shadow quarry]

ahhhhhh actualClientId

I was using OwnerClientId last night as I couldn't figure it out thanks

[cedar terrace]

What is bad about the way 1A3 coded his server sided net code that you dont like ?

Are you sure you even know how to make server sided mod as far as i remember you didnt know how back in the time you were going to make your own creature from that reddit model uploaded

[wispy wolf]

It doesn't work

[wispy wolf]

why u like this?

[cedar terrace]

Well its been forever since you started the project how would i know his didnt work if it keeps being brought up i hope you will be able to do it its a difficult and very important task

I didnt mean to come of in a rude way

And my memory could also be wrong

[wispy wolf]

I haven't had time to work on it cuz I've been away from home for a month 🙃 1A3 was doing stuff while I was gone, that's why there's such a large difference in progress.

[cedar terrace]

Oh okay i apologize then

[wispy wolf]

He attempted to make it server side but his technique doesn't work.

[cedar terrace]

I didnt know you were away from home at all

I thought he tested it server sided with his friends

[wispy wolf]

It compares file names and tries to pick the same one, but it's unfortunately not consistent because they'll eventually desync that isn't reliable

[cedar terrace]

Oh

[wispy wolf]

I've seen one other person make that work but they had to wipe the files to resync after each moon which is a deal breaker for me

[cedar terrace]

Wait manual wipe them you mean?

[wispy wolf]

No

He coded it

[cedar terrace]

What is the issue with that?

It stores not files from further sessions back?

[wispy wolf]

Everything the monsters say is too recent

You'll recognize the voice lines

[cedar terrace]

Dont that make more sense though?

[potent dagger]

well i mean thats an issue anyway with the 200 voice line limit?

[cedar terrace]

its more accurate to not be far back

[wispy wolf]

No, it chooses random ones to remove so they aren't affected by recency

[cedar terrace]

Hmm

What is the way you are trying to do instead ?

It sounds very difficult if you want it to remember multiple levels back and keep stability net code through the AIs

Also is it for the skinwalker mod or a new project for only mimic

[potent dagger]

technically my method does work 100% if you use prerecorded audio files

[cedar terrace]

Pre recorded isnt thst what we do

[potent dagger]

nah

[cedar terrace]

Well it also tracks new sounds

[craggy finch]

Traces?

[cedar terrace]

phone moment

[craggy finch]

Tracks?

[potent dagger]

my description there was kinda shit tbf, what i'm trying to say is that on the version I have if you disable recording and everyone has the same audio files it'd sync completely fine

[cedar terrace]

tracking the audio

Ohh thats not good

[craggy finch]

It doesn't "track" audio.

[cedar terrace]

Having to actual make ur own audio isnt ideal

[potent dagger]

but recordings happen locally and are named using ur pc time so could be unsynced (which in that situation it'd try to play a random sound from the same person)

[sacred leaf]

well then just. change how they're named?

[cedar terrace]

It records on previous and new moons not track are you happy mr needs everything corrected Agitatio

[craggy finch]

You're trying to talk about something you seem to have no understanding of whatsoever.

[sacred leaf]

something like
PlayerA1
PlayerB1
PlayerA2
PlayerA3
PlayerC1
for names
number is just one more than the last recording from that person

[potent dagger]

there's not really anyway to ensure they have the same name for everyone

since network lag/desync etc could cause clips to be missed

[sacred leaf]

this is a good point

[cedar terrace]

And you act like you know everything chill man i just woke up you just have to be right lmao

[craggy finch]

At least I don't act like this.

[cedar terrace]

Bro you dont know the context you were not in the server

Just drop it

I apologized to him anyways

[ocean wraith]

are people still trying to make serverside versions?

[wispy wolf]

I'm making it serverside in the official version

[shrewd elk]

wait, sooooooo now 3.0.0 is out

is it serverside yet?

👀

[wispy wolf]

plz test 3.0.0 to see if it works with other players, I've only tested it locally 🙏 😔

[cedar terrace]

nice update!

i have no friends who want to play until a few hrs so cant sorry

will comeback with feedback after i play though

[wispy wolf]

I mean its probably just either it works or it doesnt

gameplay-wise its no different

[shrewd elk]

logo manager? 😮

[craggy finch]

So not server-side yet?

[wispy wolf]

no

[wispy wolf]

these are changes ^

[nimble otter]

this is probably an already asked question so forgive me in advance.
but is there a way to sync the voices the monsters play for everyone?

[shrewd elk]

not yet

[nimble otter]

oh aight

[cerulean vector]

So far my best moment with this is me trying to get spooky looking lamp in a hallway and all I hear that started changing me was "give me your beautiful succulent body" from a loot bug.. I died sec later

.
My friend also heard "wanna see what's in my pants?" As a door opened and a centipede falls from the ceiling and goes after him.. he then blew it up with a rocket out of fear, and killed himself from discuss afterwards

Scariest things we've been thru

[nimble otter]

still better than being with your friend in a dark hallway, hit a cobweb to kill the spider, wait for the spider, and hear the spider running at you while its beatboxing monster hunter osts

[cerulean vector]

giant enemy spider

[nimble otter]

or when in the same game, with lethal escape, he was coming after delivering some items, back in the dungeon, and on his way a puffer walked up to him, and copied the voice of our memey friend by saying "Hello" with a dumb tone, before walking away from him

i swear this mod makes the game better

[shrewd elk]

i set up voice lines to run only on brackens and masks

it's even more funnier

especially coupled with masked enemy overhaul

so many times masks successfully fooled other players cause of that

[cerulean vector]

Idea for the mod if possible, if the mask/masked enemy kills the player, the "player" now infected will automatically use the voice as the person that died

Mainly so you don't hear "jim's" voice when it's the playermodel of "timmy" coming for you

[wispy wolf]

yep

thats planned

[random locust]

rug i have an idea

something that doesnt use much gpu/ram that detects something like a laugh for a line like "it's me, come over here" or something like that

i get trying to not use ai as much as possible, but it could make for some better encounters. maybe something in config that is defaulted to disabled.

[wispy wolf]

no

if you want to attempt it tho u can go ahead. it's just not what I want personally in the scope of the mod

also if I include AI, ppl are gonna freak out lol. so probably best to not

[wispy wolf]

hey, just wanted to let you know in the 3.0.0 release I completely rewrote the mod to not use files anymore, which got rid of the stuttering issue

[sinful stone]

How is it stored in memory if I forget it?

🤔

[wispy wolf]

😔

[red urchin]

While I can see why, it's a bit of a bummer, imagine the possibilities 😂

[elfin crystal]

would this be the mod responsible for spamming this in logs? not really sure what else would be causing it

[cedar terrace]

thats vanilla doing it isnt it

with unity logs blame zeekers i think

[sinful stone]

Guessing 500 was too much?

[wispy wolf]

yeah

but I realized 500 would be maybe 500mb of memory usage

so 200 is a lot more reasonable

and they're time-independent anyway, so its not like this means you get more recent clips

it just means its more possible to run out of potential clips from monsters playing them

which realistically is not gonna happen much

so it wasnt worth the tradeoff

[shrewd elk]

just add config line for that

i have 48gb of ram, friends have something like that too, we can spare for sure 😄

[wispy wolf]

maybe, but idk if I trust players to judge what the right amount is

there's not really a benefit to having more than like 50 clips

[shrewd elk]

more clips - more funny coincidences

[craggy finch]

I assume they're not cleaned up until the game closes?

[wispy wolf]

I mean, if theres a 50% chance of getting a funny clip out of 50 clips theres a 50% chance of getting a funny clip out of 500 clips

its just probability it doesn't really change depending on how many you have

[craggy finch]

By the way, will the change to storing in memory affect other mods that use Skinwalkers functionality?

[potent bane]

I get this error when booting the game

[potent dagger]

That looks like it'd be a conflict from another mod you have which is trying to access a non-existent field from skinwalker

[proper summit]

hmm i have to. maybe conflict with InsanityRemastered

[quasi marlin]

Yeah, InsanityRemastered uses Skinwalker for its audio hallucinations

[sudden snow]

Might be due to Skin walkers having a recent update that changes its audio to be stored in memory as opposed to a section of the hard drive

[sacred leaf]

if audio syncing is added, i hope players wont be able to hear voice lines from themself

[vagrant oak]

I do, it'll be nice to have say a mimic of yourself from masked enemy overhaul speak in your own voice rather than other's voices

[sacred leaf]

some people really don't want to hear themselves though

[vagrant oak]

I'm sure it would be an option in the config if added

[potent dagger]

Depending on how he does it you'd probably hear everyone except from the host (including yourself) unless he makes it also record the host's microphone ofc

[wispy wolf]

Why doesn't it have skinwalkers as a dependency?

[true coral]

Do you know what audio IR uses when the player has high insanity?

[quasi marlin]

Good question for the mod owner I guess x)
They added that option relatively recently so probably they just didn't think it, it's also just an option in case you have it installed, maybe they don't want to force everybody to install it

[craggy finch]

Because it's not required.

It has extra stuff if Skinwalkers is also installed.

[quasi marlin]

It plays many stuff, from vanilla sounds like Thumper roar to footsteps, also custom sounds like drone, laughs (I think) and also distorts the in-game sounds with echoes and reverbs.

From the skinwalker side it just picks skinwalker recorded files to play at random times. Since the skinwalker mod got changed I guess that's not possible anymore

[wispy wolf]

I mean it's possible still it's just a different variable

I refactored a lot of the code

[true coral]

Thx. I´m the maker of an audio overhaul and i was interested on the audio used cuz some users recommended that I make some changes to the audio

[red urchin]

I hope one day either Zeeker or a modder can have Voice chat set to output for people who record 😂

[wispy wolf]

wdym?

[lucid nymph]

Last night I had a lot of stuttering issues similar to when I initially installed the Skinwalkers mod, I only recently saw the 3.0.0 update to it removed it and was working fine, but yesterdays 3.0.1 update it was happening again, any ideas?

[vagrant oak]

It's been updated to 4.0.1 to revert changes for now

[wispy wolf]

I fixed the stuttering issues in 3.0.0. However, some people reported crashing so I reverted to 2.0.7. unfortunately this means the stutters are back. To FIX THE STUTTERS: you can select version 3.0.0 manually in r2modman, or you can download this: https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/RugbugRedfern/SkinwalkersExperimental/

however I'm not sure if the crashes were a result of incompatibilities with other mods or not, since everyone who experienced them was using a modpack

[sinful stone]

Wonder what they've been using cause it's been fine for us on my modpack with experimental

[vagrant oak]

Probably a mod conflict of some sort, they'd need to check BepinEx errors most likely

Or maybe it could be hardware dependant as well

[obtuse moss]

The experimental version isn't generating a config, is this intended?

[vagrant oak]

It did for me.

[obtuse moss]

I think I'll just switch back to the main version.

[vagrant oak]

Did you try loading a lobby up and seeing if it generates the config after?

It's there

[obtuse moss]

Yeah I already tried everything including landing and all that but no dice. It's not a big deal. I have no issues with the main one generating config. I think the experimental one just doesn't like me.

[vagrant oak]

Hmmmm do you have LethalConfig installed? Maybe that'll kick it to generate it lmfao

Could also be if you have both Skinwalker mods installed the main one is preventing experimental from loading

You should only be using one anyways

[obtuse moss]

I unistalled the first one and deleted it's config before downloading the experimental one so that can't be it

And LethalConfig was already in my list and didn't help

Like I said it's no skin off my back. lol

[vagrant oak]

Probably a mod conflict of some sort

Did you get any errors from Bepin?

[haughty elk]

Just wondering but if the mod does go ahead with the server direction and saving to memory, could we have a configurable amount of voice lines? Personally i'd like to keep that 500 limit to keep older voice lines in rotation for long sessions

[lucid nymph]

Thanks! I’ll try it today

[wispy wolf]

That's not how it works. Age has nothing to do with what clips are saved.

[wispy wolf]

You can just select version 3.0.1 for normal skinwalkers. It's the same thing

[surreal apex]

Hello, me and my friends are experiencing weird crash with our modpack, we added a few mod, and even by tossing in and out random mod it keeps happening.
Basically, the game froze and infinitely repeat the last sound that the last frame was emitting, and then app close because it's not responding, does that happen to ring a bell to you? 🤔 if not sorry for the bother

[vagrant oak]

This is the reason why Skinwalkers got reverted with the v4 update, some people experiencing crashing

[surreal apex]

hm I see, thx for the info

[wispy wolf]

can you send me your Player.log file located at %appdata%/../LocalLow/ZeekerssRBLX/Lethal Company

[surreal apex]

I played an hour with the mod desinstalled in the meantime, hope it didn't remove what you may be looking for

[wispy wolf]

oh it did

send Player-prev instead

[vagrant oak]

I'm surprised people use IntroTweaks I have had nothing but issues when I try using that mod

Most recently it was capping my rank at 25

I like it for the main menu alignment bug ugh

[surreal apex]

seem to be empty too

can hit you up whenever we retry and have the same issue

[wispy wolf]

k

just send the log after it crashes immediately

[surreal apex]

sure thing

[wispy wolf]

or itll be replaced next time u open the game

[spiral terrace]

Are we able to have the regular mod and experimental on at the same time?

[sudden snow]

I'd imagine no

[sacred leaf]

no

definitely not

there wouldn't even be a point in doing that

[wispy wolf]

no

[wispy wolf]

hey, how much free storage do you have on your PC? someone else with this issue resolved it by finding out they only had 5gb free

[upper dust]

b

is skinwalkers not working with dissonance fix?

:P

(the b was to make sure i could come back to this thread later hehe)

[past tree]

I swear to god, and I know those who are really good at code could prove it by just looking through said code but: this mod has to have bloody AI or phrase detection. There is no god damn way out of hundreds of random things I've said to others and what others have said to me, have I been tricked so often by a skinwalker. Literally asked a question to a masked of "is that you?" and it responded with a "No, you're crazy". Out of HUNDREDS of damn things said, it chooses THAT? You can't make me believe this mod isn't smart in some capacity. >:o ...
Literally in a vid someone said "Is anyone else alive? If everyone else is dead just vote" and a skinwalker said not even 2 seconds after "You're good man - it's all good"

10/10 mod, would fall for a masked again

[wispy wolf]

dissonance lag fix is useless with skinwalkers, skinwalkers already does what it does

[past tree]

I'm glad I randomly looked into here with that response- my pack had that. Time to rid it o -o

Should really point that out somewhere that your mod helps improve performance from "Dissonance" or somethin'. I would've never knew that o, o

[glass knot]

Hello, @past tree, we have a dedicated support channel and forum here: #help-and-troubleshooting #1185732310700654732
Anyone responding is a volunteer so be patient.

[past tree]

what... Bot - I ain't askin' for help or troubleshootin' >->

[sacred leaf]

BEGONE

[wispy wolf]

I mean, you don't have to know it. thats why it does it for you

[past tree]

Do they work kindly with each other (in the event people have em both together)?

[wispy wolf]

I mean its fine? just redundant

[past tree]

redundancy is my middle name. Yes I order 12 shovels with 3 people, and? >:o

(it is not actually my middle name, and I will order like 15 instead - but who's counting?)

[sinful stone]

Excuse me, 5gb?

[surreal apex]

4Tb still free doesn’t sound like this lol

[wispy wolf]

on all drives?

also what version of the mod do you have downloaded? when you launch the game, check the console and it will tell you

[surreal apex]

2TB on the windows one and 2 Tb on the all utility one

[surreal apex]

Had issue with both the one you uploaded yesterday and the version before

[wispy wolf]

I need the actual version number

just launch the game and check console 😉

[surreal apex]

Can’t tell, about to leave for college rn

[wispy wolf]

shit alright

tonight maybe?

[surreal apex]

Will give you news this evening yeah

[rustic sparrow]

Me and my friends had the same thing happen 4x in our last run but couldn't really narrow it down since there was no error message in logs for me, tried to crash my game afterwards in a solo lobby and it ran fine for 2hrs 🤔

Storage whise i have like 100gigs left on the ssd so that shouldn't be a problem 💀

[wispy wolf]

what version of the mod do you have downloaded? when you launch the game, check the console and it will tell you

[rustic sparrow]

Oof we haven't played in 2 days so dont really know if it still happens if a patch came out in the mean time

[wispy wolf]

yup

just check r2modman

it tells u the version

[rustic sparrow]

Last time we played with v3.0.1

[wispy wolf]

yeah ok go to 4x

[rustic sparrow]

Will see and come back with logs if we have the same problem again next time we play

[wispy wolf]

k

[wispy wolf]

if possible, could you try manually selecting the 3.0.1 version in r2modman and trying without any other mods to see if its a mod conflict?

[rustic sparrow]

well need to get someone of my friends online first, since it only happend in multiplayer 💀 and at random spots (picking up an item, selling, starting/landing ship, or just standing around)

[wispy wolf]

you could also open up task manager on a 2nd monitor and check the memory usage

[sinful stone]

What finals player are you

[wispy wolf]

light

wait where does it show im playing the finals

oh we're steam friends nvm

leader im sorry i had to do this

[sinful stone]

L

But understandable

[sinful stone]

This isn't though, heavy main life

[upper dust]

Is skinwalkers in any way resource-demanding?

idk if its just me but it seems to activate/try to activate even in singleplayer worlds. Not a big deal since I dont think it saves anything

just got me wondering how efficient this mod is?

[inland pulsar]

I just got an update that made it not save to disk but to ram

Maybe your ram is struggeling but I have the feeling it is pretty efficient with what it does

[upper dust]

that might be a problem for me yeah

[uneven linden]

That was reverted in 4.0.0

[inland pulsar]

Oh so then only on the Experamental version

[upper dust]

when was 4 released?

trying to find it myself, un moment

[uneven linden]

It was added in 3.0.0 which released on the 14th, and was removed in 4.0.0 which was on the 15th

[upper dust]

oh mama mia :P ok wow thats not long ago XD

[uneven linden]

The 3.0.1 version was posted separately as an experimental version

[upper dust]

do you guys think these errors could be because of this?

[inland pulsar]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/RugbugRedfern/SkinwalkersExperimental/

Try if this works better for you

It should work fine

[uneven linden]

And 4.0.0/4.0.1 reverted it back to 2.0.6

[upper dust]

Alright will definitely try, do you know how this issue actually works?

asking out of complete interest

:)

[uneven linden]

Unfortunately i’m not familiar with log errors yet

But it does seem to be related to this mod

What other mods do you have installed, if any

[upper dust]

a bunch to be honest - nothing sound based except the apis CustomSounds and LCSoundTool

I'll be testing a lot of stuff out though to see what could be wrong. Im using r2modman now!

(its so much faster and makes testing things so much more fun)

[uneven linden]

faster than thunderstore mod manager, or faster than manually doing it

[upper dust]

faster than thunderstoreee

[uneven linden]

Oh dang I might have to try it then

Thunderstore feels like using my old windows xp laptop than ran windows 7

[upper dust]

BRO YES :P im really not sure whats going on on overwolfs end but they aint doing somethin too good

[uneven linden]

that thing even lagged in undertale (specifically muffet’s cupcake monster during her fight lol)

[upper dust]

undertale lagging is crazy loll

[uneven linden]

Oh yeah that thing suffered lol

Had no other options though

[upper dust]

been there hehe :P undertale is great

[uneven linden]

Used it for two years or so?

Wait no longer than that

2 or 3 I’d say

[uneven linden]

Yeah it really is. One of my fav games

[upper dust]

Ah, damn, these errors apparently aren't connected to skinwalkers at all! Sorry :/

[potent bane]

any idea why this is happening?

[wispy wolf]

Select version 3.0.1 in r2modman to fix this

Or download experimental

[vagrant oak]

Yeah I have experimental downloaded and the main version removed just so r2 doesn't nag me about the mod having an update

XD

[wet portal]

sry i couldnt read everything. but whats wrong with 4.0.1?
why use the experimental version? whats different?

[vagrant oak]

4.0.1 is just version 2.0.7

It was reverted because some people experienced crashes with certain mod packs

[wet portal]

okay so im good with 4.0.1

[vagrant oak]

If you don't want the performance benefits and such of version 3.0.1 yes

[upper dust]

turns out the issue isnt related to skinwalkers at all since it occurs even when skinwalkers is disabled :/

I'll keep experimental in mind if the issue somehow doubles while i AM using skinwalkers?

[wet portal]

so if performance is important to me i should use experimental 3.0.1?

[vagrant oak]

Yes 3.0.1 is better for performance, cus it removed the need for sounds to be wrote to disk

So people on HDD's especially will benefit

[wet portal]

what does it do differently?

are there less audio clips being made?

[wet portal]

okay but besides that there are no differences to the main version? i can just replace?

[patent sluice]

Is there any chance we can get the this message from the console " [Info :RugbugRedfern.SkinwalkerMod] Audio folder not present. Don't worry about it, it will be created automatically when you play with friends. (F:/Steam Games/steamapps/common/Lethal Company/Lethal Company_Data..\Dissonance_Diagnostics) " to only post once instead of every 10 seconds?

Trying to do some mod troubleshooting by looking at the console and this message keeps bouncing me back to the bottom, lol

[wet portal]

are they fixing/changing that in the main version of the mod any time soon or why is there an extra seperate mod for that? just for test purposes?

[vagrant oak]

The update was in the main mod, then 4.0 reverted it to v2 because of people reporting crashes with certain modpacks as I said

[wet portal]

so experimental is less stable and less optimizied

[vagrant oak]

So rug seperated the mods for ease of use

No experimental is stable and better optimized, some people ran into mod conflicts

It happens

[wet portal]

what kind of conflicts?

[vagrant oak]

I don't know ask Rug

You're asking too many questions lol

All I know is what Rug has stated

[wet portal]

okay i just wanna evaluate what version to use with my friends
we have many other mods too

[vagrant oak]

Well test experimental and if you run into no issues keep it, if not then stick with stable

[wet portal]

ok i will test with my friends as soon as we all get together again

[vagrant oak]

👍

[wet portal]

ty

[random locust]

@wispy wolf this would be an interesting thing to work with, maybe in the experimental version.

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/loaforc/VoiceRecognitionAPI/

[wispy wolf]

pretty neat, I think it only works on your own voice though

so there wouldn't be a good way to pick out responses

[wispy wolf]

so your game is crashing regardless of whether its running skinwalkers or not?

[wispy wolf]

less stable, more optimized

it is a lot more optimized

that was the whole point

[upper dust]

Nope, not a crash, just a bit of lag. I'm working to optimize it.

[upper dust]

Awesome :P

[wispy wolf]

well 3.0.1 should get rid of lag

or experimental

[upper dust]

So experimental could intefere with other mods?

[wispy wolf]

no

the only difference is some people said it crashed

idk how valid their claims are, or if it was another mod

[upper dust]

Alright that's good to know, will definitely spend some time testing it.

Thanks for the mod :) ❤️ we love u

[red urchin]

This would be sick! Imagine you ask someone your sus of "Oh is that you?" and the Masked replies with "Yep!" (Providing you said that previously xD)

[random locust]

That exact situation happened to my yesterday. The clips just happened to be right especially with mimic overhaul and that massive emote mod.

Spoiler, I was played like a fiddle and died.

[red urchin]

Yeah, With the Masked Overhaul and skinwalker mods, the masked has easily become the coolest thing about the game

[random locust]

If there was a way to use it on in-game audio, that could work. I’d assume you might be able to use it to pick stuff out of whatever audio channel is used for the voice chat.

[wispy wolf]

If only it were that simple

[random locust]

I’d say I have an idea of what to do but I’ve only ever used unreal engine and not unity for game modding. Surprisingly enough, model swapping is really simple and can be achieved with a really simple json script, some way to execute the code, and the aes key for the files.

[vagrant oak]

So I think I know why Skinwalkers 3.0.1 seems to cause a crash after playing for a while, I believe it might have a memory leak of some sort possibly. Cus it suddenly caused me and my friends' games to freeze earlier

[wispy wolf]

have you taken a look at it in task manager?

and I think you're right, I'm not sure what else it could be (other than a mod conflict)

but I have never encountered it myself, even when running two instances with voice recording for like an hour

[vagrant oak]

I didn't but the way it crashes makes me think that must be the case, we all froze when we landed at the Company randomly

[wispy wolf]

check task manager next time u play

[random locust]

I was experiencing freezes and crashes until I removed some mods. They were a couple dungeon generation mods and a config mod. I’d have to check what they are when I get a chance tomorrow.

[wispy wolf]

would be nice to know what they were, yeah

[random locust]

it was I think some mansion mod, lethalconfig (i think), and another dungeon mod

[wispy wolf]

ok if you get the exact mods that would be great

[random locust]

I guess I could send you the pack i sent my friend

it usually happened when I launched the ship to land on a moon

I can’t really see what they are exactly because I tested in single player before multi so I don’t have a file, however I can look them up so lemme do that now.

ScarletDevilMansion
Scoopys Variety Mod
LethalConfig

[vagrant oak]

I also have LethalConfig but I find it odd that that would conflict

I had IntroTweaks but removed it because IntroTweaks always seems to cause issues in some way or another for me lol so I wouldn't be surprised if that conflicted honestly

[inland pulsar]

Is there a way to disable the console outputs for every single wav files recorded?

[wispy wolf]

use 3.0.1

[inland pulsar]

Experimental ok got it, thanks

[potent bane]

any idea what this is?

[wispy wolf]

What other mods do you have

[potent bane]

quite a lot, but it seems to be fixed using experimental so far

[wispy wolf]

Cool

[surreal apex]

happens with 4.0.1 / 4.0.0 and 3.0.1

[vagrant oak]

That's interesting cus v4 is actually just v2 lol

[surreal apex]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-visible-confusion-confused-gif-14771834

[rigid acorn]

the mod is working with v47 or not?

[vagrant oak]

It's been working with v47+ for a while

[wispy wolf]

what happens? I don't know what your issue is

[safe glen]

Would it be possible to have a toggle for not deleting voice recordings? Would be nice if there was a consistent flow of random dialogue as to throw you off more.

[surreal apex]

still this 🤔

[craggy finch]

Why? New ones replace old ones. You'll get consistent stream either way.

[vagrant oak]

Did you check the memory usage in task manager?

[surreal apex]

we played for hours today without skinwalker, 0 crash, added it and it crashed after 5 minutes

[surreal apex]

nope forgot 🤔

[vagrant oak]

Try to get it to crash again, see what the memory usage is because Rug wants to know if it's a memory leak problem

And make sure to cross compare it with mem usage on game launch

[surreal apex]

well we are in the middle of a run rn so I doubt I could get my friend to relaunch, but I'll tell them to try next time

holdup

[rustic sparrow]

idk whats going on but i played a ~4hour session with my friends and it didnt freeze again even tough its the same version that i already freezed the game before 💀 (v3.0.1)

maybe some updates of other mods fixed it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[surreal apex]

fundamentally you can't do a memory leak in csharp can't you? :kek:

[safe glen]

Me and my friends have mods to have the masked creatures appear more 'human-like', and what usually gives them away is when they start saying dialogue that was said 30 minutes ago. We want diaologue to appear from anywhere from a few days ago or even 5 minutes ago. At least if the recordings just wiped every few days or something like that.

[craggy finch]

That just sound like an unlucky roll. To pick same clip from 200 files.

[wispy wolf]

not sure what you're talking about. the voice recordings that are picked are independent from what time they are recorded.

random clips are deleted when the max is reached, not oldest.

deleting clips/expanding the amount of clips stored has no effect on how old the clips are that get played.

playing clips from a few days ago is currently not possible with the mod, unless you leave the game running

[safe glen]

I'm guessing that's a limitation on the game and not the mod itself, correct?

[potent bane]

I just saw this when booting the game, does it mean it doesnt load the mod at all? because I dont crash or freeze like i did on the original mod.

ops spoke too soon, game crashed

[sudden snow]

Yeah I'm definitely sticking with the main version for now

[potent bane]

Both doesnt seem to work properly for me sadly

[wispy wolf]

no, this is InsanityRemastered's fault

if you use 4.0.1 then that would work fine.

InsanityRemastered uses the audio from Skinwalkers

but they didnt update for the new version

so it breaks

4.0.1 is the same as 2.0.7, so just use that

[potent bane]

I see, but both mods will still work kinda?

[wispy wolf]

if you use 4.0.1 yes

[potent bane]

Alright good, thanks for clarifying

[vagrant oak]

So I haven't had my game crash again while using Skinwalkers v3.0.1 but I since removed IntroTweaks and LethalUtilities cus we kept getting desyncs and weren't sure which mod was the cause lol desyncs stopped after we removed them both

[upper dust]

Probably introtweaks, i think I’ve heard that being a problem before

[vagrant oak]

Probably

The only thing I like about it is that it aligns the main menu tbh but IntroTweaks causes nothing but issues

[wet portal]

for the new version? 4.0.1 is the newest isnt it?
Or do you mean insanityremastered only doesnt work with the experimental version of skinwalkers?

on the github page of insanityremastered:

[deft fiber]

it being crossed out means it's already implemented

but ig not updated to the experimental version

so yeah

[wet portal]

oh okay
i thought when its crossed out it means it WAS planned but they cancelled it

[deft fiber]

no it def works

[wet portal]

is there a config where you can disable the integration of skinwalkers so that you can use it with the experimental version?

[deft fiber]

I think there's an option for that in insanity, but I doubt it would work? Probably worth to check regardless

[wet portal]

alright imma take a look

[deft fiber]

I wish insanity dev had a thread here ngl

oh he has a github, maybe someone with an acc could invite him here?

[haughty elk]

I've already informed him about the place, advised him that homelessginger for masked enemy overhaul could help with referencing player used suits

[wispy wolf]

yes

works with new

not experimental

idk the guy, they did it without consulting me or anything

[wet portal]

okay

[hard stump]

https://github.com/BudgetAirpods/InsanityRemastered/issues/15

[marsh cape]

will there ever be a way for the audio to be synced with players

[wispy wolf]

Maybe

[spiral terrace]

that would be pretty cool ngl

[still spruce]

Skinwalkers mod be like:

Oh, yeah Dissonance_Diagnostics folder was not created

XD

Well, now it's doing something else...

[wispy wolf]

yeah, that is correct. do you have friends?

[still spruce]

Well, now I'm solo in the lobby

[wispy wolf]

then yeah you arent gonna hear anyone

[still spruce]

Yeah, I just wanted to know why it's spamming in console

[wispy wolf]

both things you sent are intentional behavior. play with other players to experience the mod

its not meant for singleplayer

[still spruce]

It's nice, got myself lured to a centipede a few times 😳

[patent sluice]

But does it need to post it every 10 seconds? I like to test my modlists before playing with my friends and when I was trying to pull some internal names for items from the console yesterday so I could set up another mod the message kept bouncing my console back to the bottom which was pretty annoying. Can the frequency be changed to maybe every five minutes instead? I'd even take a minute haha

[wispy wolf]

no, cuz then it would only check audio files every 5 minutes

I think theres another mod that lets you disable logs per mod

[proper summit]

@wispy wolf SkinWalkerExp bug Voice Player in ship. not in player or body
i mean like "I saying anything but my friend can heard on ship and another my friend from inside can't heard what i'm saying"

[wispy wolf]

???

[proper summit]

ya basicly bug voice SkinwalkerExperiments

i can't tell detail because i'm not main eng language

hard and idk what word good for report bug

make player voice is bug. different location not inside head or around player that

[upper dust]

whats your main language?

[proper summit]

ID

[wispy wolf]

I have no idea what you're talking about

[patent sluice]

Ahhh I understand now

It also just occured to me I could just disable Skinwalkers if I need to look at the console in depth 🤦

[upper dust]

people can hear you in the ship but not when theyre around you right?

[proper summit]

I and myfriend inside Bunker, and my another friend waiting on ship he can heard my voice inside bunker
But my friend with me can't heard my voice

[upper dust]

Thats desync. Thats not an issue with skinwalkers, its some kind of issue/bug with whatever lobby mod you might be using

[upper dust]

can i see your mod list?

Youre doing really well with english btw 👍

its hard

[proper summit]

this is problem SkinwalkersExperimental but using skinwalkers v2 is normal

i'm just telling report because SkinwalkersExperimental is bug

[upper dust]

Thanks :P thats not a skinwalker issue though, it has to be something else.

Right @wispy wolf ?

(His friend can't hear him when they're right next to each other in the facility, + someone else can hear him at spawn)

[wispy wolf]

if you're using 4.0.1 that shouldn't happen

that only happened with very old versions, but it was fixed

[proper summit]

4.0.1 is v2 ya normal

i mean SkinwalkersExperimental not Skinwalkers only

[wispy wolf]

Well there's no difference in how they play audio so

Sounds unrelated

[inland pulsar]

Yeah I had the same thing happen on 4.0.1, where everyones voices got stuck in the ship.
They left the ship but the where their voices came from didn't change.
Only me as host had this problem and everyone else heard eachother fine.

Could be that it's not this mod but I would'nt know what else

[cedar terrace]

how is the progress with netcode ?

[sharp sequoia]

this is probably asked a lot but can you make the audio clips not random? like it has a priority on saving clips when u are being chased by an entity or last seconds before dying and having the entity that killed you taunt your friends by using your voice?

also in the config files can you make different skinwalker frequency for each entity? instead of it all being universal you can make some entities speak more( masked,eyeless dogs, coilhead) and others speak less (bracken, thumper, spore lizard)

[wispy wolf]

idk. Some other stuff came up in my life, so I probably won't be working on this for a while. If v3 didn't have crashing issues it would've gone a lot more smoothly.

[cedar terrace]

i see gl with whatever came up

didnt even know there was crashing issues

[wispy wolf]

well just some people said they crashed. IDK if it was another mod or an incompatibility or what

[haughty elk]

Yeah I haven't seen anyone moan about 3.0, tell you what I love troubleshooting stuff, I'll downgrade it and see if we get any crashes for our group, I'll post findings here and all the best for whatever came up

[wispy wolf]

sounds great, thanks 😄

Use 3.0.1

[potent bane]

i get no crashes with experimental, which is 2.x unless i got that wrong

[wispy wolf]

3.x

[haughty elk]

First session in my fat pack of mods using the experimental branch yielded no crashes, spooky masked encounters still good, i'll post more as I play more

[quiet oracle]

any lag ?

[haughty elk]

Nah experimental really helps with performance in general because the audio is being stored in RAM IIRC, if you want the current version to not stutter you need to have LC on an SSD

Also checked RAM during the session, only went to about 3GB so all good on actual resources

[wispy wolf]

yeah it only stores 200 clips so RAM usage should be fine

when it gets more than 200, it deletes a random one so that they aren't influenced by time of recording

[haughty elk]

I've had a little think and maybe it was from people using larger lobby mods and having all creatures true in the config? My testing is only with the masked in a group of 2-3

[wispy wolf]

that shouldn't affect it at all

there's not a lot of additional overhead for more creatures

realistically I think it was a mod incompatibility in a modpack. but since its a crash its very hard to debug

[haughty elk]

Yeah I mean so far with the mods that I use I haven't experienced any crashes so far, that being said I stay away from the silly mods this game hosts, there might be a popular one that causes it

[past tree]

Any event ones

Event mods that let AI do things they're not normally allowed to do (Spawn/move brackens outside) = big contenders for F'ing things up

[rustic sparrow]

well my big pack that i play with my friends ~80-90(depends on maps) and Experimental we didn't get any more crashes average RAM usage was 1.5GB-2GB

cannot reproduce the crashes/freezes i had 💀

[wispy wolf]

its a weird world

[vagrant oak]

Yeah I also only ever had that crash once

[wispy wolf]

anyone know what the difference is between actualClientId, playerClientId, and playerSteamId is?

[upper dust]

hi, just checking, this doesnt look like a skinwalker issue right?

[wispy wolf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

never seen that

so probably not

[potent dagger]

actualClientId is something, playerClientId is the index of the player controller then playerSteamId is the person's steam id

[wispy wolf]

ok

im just trying to find a reliable way to compare players (including in LAN)

going with actualClientId for now

[potent dagger]

that returns 0 for everyone except from yourself and the host

[wispy wolf]

wait really

bruh

ig playerClientId it is

[potent dagger]

https://i.1a3.uk/1705790732.png

[wispy wolf]

interesting

what UI is that from?

[potent dagger]

unity explorer

[wispy wolf]

do u know if this is the same across all clients?

[potent dagger]

fairly sure

[potent dagger]

cuz im a client and thats what i see

[wispy wolf]

how'd you get that ui in unity explorer tho

is that some code executed in the console or something?

[potent dagger]

ye

[haughty elk]

Session #2, no crashes, spooky little men talked their talk

[cerulean vector]

i didnt know they could rec such long quotes, in the ship i hear him singing "where the homies, were the homies, where did all the homies go-woh.. where the homies, where the homies, where did all the homies go-woh"

[vagrant oak]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ImpossibleRichGaurArgieB8-rVpq8PbSC2jffoDd Lmao

[haughty elk]

Me and my friend were trying to find one of the 3rd in our group and it started panicking saying "no no it's not no it's not Harry there's another mimic there's another mimic there's another mimic there's another mimic" it was one of the funniest encounters we've had

[wispy wolf]

Lol

[haughty elk]

Session #3, we had an absolute ton of masked and I mean a ridiculous amount of them, like stupid amount and commonly hit 3 or 4 in the moons we went to so the little men spoke their spoke and we went without any crash to be seen

[potent bane]

is this any problems or will mod still work?

[wispy wolf]

That's a bug with InsanityRemastered

Not this mod

[potent bane]

oh yea thats right, i forgot about that

[craggy finch]

Which version of InsanityRemastered is that?

[potent bane]

the latest

[raw halo]

btw is there a way to make the skinwalker not use people's voice in the vicinity?

like if me and my friend are together. can they not use my voice?

it kinda gives it away sadly

[wispy wolf]

Not at the moment

[crisp shell]

Will it be possible to play all players the same sounds

so everyone hears the same things

[haughty elk]

Session #4, we got a crash, unfortunately my friend ran the game again after it so we didn't get the logs for it, but i've let him know for the next time

[wispy wolf]

if he hasn't restarted more than once, you can send the Player-prev.log instead

[haughty elk]

Oh can you let me know the filepath for that log?

[rustic sparrow]

C:\Users\XXXXX\AppData\LocalLow\ZeekerssRBLX\Lethal Company

[haughty elk]

Ahh perfect, i'll be sure to nab them next time it occurs, it seems infrequent considering out of 4 sessions like almost 4-6 hour long it's only happened once

[potent bane]

sorry but what does this mean, that experimental version doesnt work with insanity?

[hard stump]

yes

[marsh cape]

I think skin walkers is giving me issues too

does instanity remastered mess it up

[wispy wolf]

I mean it messes with it

[wispy wolf]

I doubt it, latest release is stable. he is talking about the experimental release.

[marsh cape]

yea it wasnt skinwales

a different mod

[wispy wolf]

which

[lean rover]

keeps printing over and over

in main menu

in game it goes away

[wispy wolf]

funky

ignore it

its most likely caused by another mod

[coral crescent]

hey this mod spams the log which is kinda annoying

[cunning mica]

I have a weird issue where the voice lines are being played from players

[wispy wolf]

That's InsanityRemastered.

[cunning mica]

😵‍💫 sorry I didnt even know that mod had that functionality

[upper dust]

ah my gosh

[Warning: Unity Log] Audio source failed to initialize audio spatializer. An audio spatializer is specified in the audio project settings, but the associated plugin was not found or initialized properly. Please make sure that the selected spatializer is compatible with the target.

why are there so many and why does my game seem to lag during them?

[wispy wolf]

dunno but ignore them

try the experimental version if u lag

[upper dust]

right! sorry

[vagrant oak]

I will say I have an issue sometimes where the game audio starts to like lag a little and I'm guessing it's related to the experimental version of this mod

but no performance issues or anything with it

[upper dust]

all game audio?

[vagrant oak]

Not all, like footstep audio and stuff sometimes will start becoming choppy

But it resolves itself after a bit

[wispy wolf]

mm

I mean could be

[haughty elk]

@wispy wolf Got another crash but this time we got the logs,

[Warning: Unity Log] Audio source failed to initialize audio spatializer. An audio spatializer is specified in the audio project settings, but the associated plugin was not found or initialized properly. Please make sure that the selected spatializer is compatible with the target.

This warning has been occurring throughout the session maybe once or twice here and there, but then started occurring a lot like 3 hours in, in the log you will find large chunks of these errors, one near the end when my friend had crashed most notably.

Here's the log file from his google drive - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JiwOkinfT60IRqPZCIApVY6j2Cs2lelK/view

[latent grotto]

Hey @wispy wolf, someone mentioned this code your running
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1196943144009351258/1200235179172704418/image.png?ex=65c5711e&is=65b2fc1e&hm=241503df40e8b2fb8cc9bd544cddcb69737821768fbced9d1806f717b6495c4c&

You might want to iterate through the StartOfRound.levels on like maybe RoundManager.Start Postfix and cache these enemy references instead of grabbing them constantly

[north yacht]

To expand on this, the issue I noticed is with the "LC_Office" mod, which recently added a custom enemy named Shrimp. The debug line "IsEnemyEnabled Shrimp True" constantly prints every time once you load in to a lobby, even when the ship is in orbit. It still spams even after exiting to the main menu! Although, the True changes to False. I haven't tested with friends, so I don't know if skinwalkers will break further, since it considers the Shrimp enemy active when it's not.

I'm using a huge modpack, and haven't tested a minimal modlist. If you have issues replicating with just the two mods, let me know and I can start narrowing my modlist down.

[haughty elk]

My game just crashed too

[upper dust]

experiment version or normal?

[haughty elk]

Experimental, i've been testing Experimental for Rug and meaning to get this information as people just said "it crashed" with no details

If we can get files saved to memory that means people running the game on a HDD won't suffer the awful stuttering

[wispy wolf]

requested access

[wispy wolf]

interesting, sounds like the Shrimp doesn't get despawned?

[north yacht]

it seemingly never spawned, the messages appeared the moment I entered the lobby, before landing

[wispy wolf]

then thats a bug with that mod

[wispy wolf]

those proposed fixes would not work. there are alternative methods but I'm not really interested

if it aint broke

[latent grotto]

Why wouldn't that work?

[wispy wolf]

neither of those reference instantiated enemies

the fix is to just postfix EnemyAI.Start

but idc

I like the logs

they are good for debugging

[latent grotto]

You can add the component to the prefab in the scriptableobject

and every instance of the prefab will have that

[wispy wolf]

I am not interested but thx

it works fine

why complicate things

the stance I'm currently taking with the mod is changing 1 tiny thing can cause unknown complications for millions of people, its not really worth it if it is already working.

not that the idea is bad, I just don't want to increase risk of issues

[latent grotto]

Far better optimisation and you could remove that IsEnemyEnabled function entirely

If you grab all the prefab references once at the start you can make yourself a Dictionary and store your stuff as a <EnemyType, NetworkVariable> KeyPair, so you would just have a paired list like

(Blob, VoiceEnabled_Hygrodere),
(Thumper, VoiceEnabled_Thumper),
(GiantWorm, VoiceEnabled_GiantWorm),

[north yacht]

So that part of the code doesn't run every frame, there's a section that skips the update until enough time has passed. Not sure the specifics, but it runs once ever 2-3 seconds

Also, that part checks for individual instances of spawned enemies, not enemy types

so it keeps checking for when new enemies are spawned

[latent grotto]

im aware

it doesn't need to keep checking when new enemies are spawned

[north yacht]

alright, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't being confusing when I posted that code snippet in the other channel

[wispy wolf]

it really does not affect performance that much. the worst part for performance is the file loading, which is why Experimental exists

and other mods do FindObjectOfType every frame lol. its not a huge deal

[latent grotto]

other mods are just as gross 😛

I could be wrong but pretty sure your findobjectoftype in this context is finding both the prefab instances and the prefab assets btw

[haughty elk]

My mate's approved you

[wispy wolf]

nope

[wispy wolf]

well the console spammed this at the end 🤔

no errors from skinwalkers

in fact, no logs at all from skinwalkers

it didnt even log the startup message

was the mod working that session?

[haughty elk]

Oh yeah, forgot I got all these, whoops

[wispy wolf]

well then the log file wont be much help xD

but I dont see a crash, so dunno

it doesnt even have a crash report

game just stopped

is that from immediately after the game crashed? or did he restart

[haughty elk]

I'll get em disbaled and fiddle with the bepinex logger

Well in my case it was more of a game hang than a crash

[wispy wolf]

ah ok

[haughty elk]

I think that might have been the same case for him and he closed out

[wispy wolf]

you both hung at the same time?

[haughty elk]

Nah separate

His game done that then the moon after restarting the session mines did

[wispy wolf]

so you didnt restart your game after he hung

it just hung after

[haughty elk]

Nah I didn't after he hung, I restarted the session as it counted him as still in it

That would explain why when it happened the first time I saw his character running on the spot

[wispy wolf]

so after a fresh restart u hung

[haughty elk]

After a restart of the lobby yep, didn't close the game

[wispy wolf]

k

maybe restarting the lobby has something to do with it? idk

[haughty elk]

Nah because his hang was a good 2 hours into the first lobby

[wispy wolf]

ah ok

[haughty elk]

It's quite sporadic, i'll get more detailed logs

[wispy wolf]

I don't think Experimental is ever gonna be merged in to the main at this point, cuz I have no idea what caused it.

ppl should just use Experimental if they lag on the normal version, and that's that

[haughty elk]

True, although the troubleshooting nature of me wants to dig deeper

[wispy wolf]

yea

I mean you can on your own if you want, but I'm gonna stop investigating

[severe jackal]

Hands down top tier mod for the game. 😂 https://www.twitch.tv/tomatobird8/clip/FreezingCrispyDoveVoteYea-BKRmWYRqYPYNVsnt

[wispy wolf]

that's a perfect clip lol

[coral crescent]

reminds me of another clip where someone walked outside and there was a lizor walking past him saying “doop ie doop ie doop”

[raw halo]

btw skinwalker is different for each player?\

[craggy finch]

Yes.

[raw halo]

oh no wonder sometimes i hear their voice somewhere else when the person they are copying is in front of me

and asked them. "did you hear that?" then said no

cant we have a sync skinwalker? question

[sacred leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR1PnFVgYK4

[quiet oracle]

these walkers seem to be skinned

[runic gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/skin-worms-inkspot-sqvqnnq-schizo-gif-24609711

[random locust]

@wispy wolf i might have a solution to make voices match the person it’s mimicking ; make the mod name the clipped audio files using the persons ign and when it plays the audio back, make it first grab the name of the mimic and playback the clip with the same name

Not sure if it’s possible, but I think it could be.

[wispy wolf]

1A3 already tried this, it doesn't work consistently

[past tree]

how does the naming process work

[wispy wolf]

it names files with the player ID, index, and timestamp

the issue is eventually the indexes can desync. the fix someone else tried was resetting the files after each moon, but that results in only the most recent audio being recorded, which is pretty rough. there's probably a way around that though

[past tree]

what causes the desync?

[wispy wolf]

not sure

maybe the moon loading?

since it always lags then

plus maybe packets dropped detected as silence or something

[past tree]

Do you have the ability to tell it to not record or record? . ,.

[wispy wolf]

yes

ik what ur gonna suggest

[past tree]

XD

[wispy wolf]

it would still cause desyncs

if the timestamps were reliable it would work

theres probably an algorithm you could make that would pick the same files with like 80% accuracy

based on timestamps, index, clip length etc

[past tree]

so you're saying a clip of me being like "hello? is someone there?"

could show up on person 2's end as like 1.30 seconds

but someone else has it at 1.35?

[wispy wolf]

yeah potentially. I mean I havent tested but that's the theory

really it would just need some extensive testing and we would know

[past tree]

hm..

when I was looking at the folder

when someone spoke the folder filled with like

8-10 audio files rapidly, then were removed

is it 8-10 individual files, or all of that is turning into 1 file?

[wispy wolf]

individual

those are each a clip

some might be like 0.1 sec tho and they are discarded

[past tree]

even though they only said like one sentence? . ,.

[wispy wolf]

^

little noises and stuff

[past tree]

why is it so sensitive to starting and stopping o -o

does it try to record everything, or only audio that's the farthest-reaching in terms of volume? o ,o

thinkin' of like - how the filter could be refined to assist in syncing. If you could set it to only record when the volume reaches 2/4 or 3/4 'loudness' (off the meter), it could make syncing a lot more accurate ., .

but I don't know if you could detect how loud an audio was recorded

[wispy wolf]

I dont do the audio detection, thats dissonance

I just use the files and analyze them after

so it records everything then it passes thru my filter

[past tree]

the filter detects who said it, and how long?

[wispy wolf]

just how long atm

< 0.9 sec is discarded

[past tree]

I guess ye gotta flub around to see what else can be detected o -o

[wispy wolf]

in theory it could do volume analysis for screams

[past tree]

I was thinking like, volume analysis to shave off any keyboard-tapping random mic pickups or breathing or something

cause when ye talk it'll obviously be louder than what keyboard taps come through

although most ideas I have to try to sync perfectly requires the host to be the one to distribute the files

but I don't know if that's allowed/possible

[wispy wolf]

yeah which is real tough

honestly not really worth the work, idk

[past tree]

there is config syncing, but I don't know if like ... cause - the files are smol

I know those files are stupid-smol

but it's still files needing to be uploaded n downloaded consistently off the host

'n if there's 3 others, and the files need like .2 mbps to upload, well all of a sudden that's .6 upload

needed atop of all other things they got

assuming we can even allow a mod to upload and download consistently between players

totally not a virus risk potential there 🙄

hecc

... hm

theoretically could you make it to where the host can ping clients and vice versa on something with the mod?

I'm thinking, there's delay (ping 'n whatnot). But what if the host pings to all clients (not literally word for word, just the end result): [Hey, the file of (Person) that started +.5/-.5 seconds ago is to be named (Person + Seed + Algorithm)]

and then when sound plays from a creature, tries to play sounds only from those named by the pings

but only if it needs to - with multiple people. Could your mod detect if the sound is only audible by one person - or does it not care whether someone's even within the monster's viscinity or not? o, o

cause then like... it could keep recording per usual - and all the files that haven't been host-pinged could play automatically at random to solo players nearby creatures, but it only plays the pinged-named files if multiple people are within earshot

i'm typing all of this like it's a cakewalk, when it's opposite of that... -w-'...

(if even possible)

wait a minute, can you have a way to read ping?

or detect ping between client to host

[north yacht]

The new ImmortalSnail mod now also has the same issue as Shrimp from the MoreInteriors mod. Errors on main menu, log output in orbit. Not sure if it actually breaks functionality in-game. I know you said it it's a problem with those mods, but it might be worth telling those authors what they need to change to fix compatibility.

[past tree]

immortalsnail... lol

[shrewd elk]

it doesn't break functionality, but annoying for sure

i have same errors with shrimp

[wispy wolf]

This feels like shrimps problem, have you talked to the dev?

[craggy finch]

How does voice playback work on a ghost girl? Can anyone hear it, or only those haunted by her?

[past tree]

afaik - everyone. You'll hear a voice in the middle of nowhere

when somebody talks about how they got ghost girl on em, I tend to hear voices where their source leads to no enemy visible - so I fully assume it's the invisible ghost girl

[craggy finch]

Shame.

[wispy wolf]

No

[wispy wolf]

Only the person that hears her.

This was fixed in 2.0.4

[past tree]

was about to ask

lol

cause I swear I heard it like that not even a week or so ago

[wintry crane]

Why does the Skinwalker Mod keep spamming this in the console? 😅

[icy bobcat]

🐌

[muted walrus]

is there a way to make so that all of the players hear the same voice

[bold crystal]

You can try Mirage an alternative mod, it's forced push to talk but players hear the same voice.

[craggy finch]

Forced PTT? I don't see anything about that on the page.

Guess that was changed 5 minutes ago. It now supports voice activity.

[bold crystal]

1.0.3 Support voice activity.

Nice

[upper dust]

Oh! I got a QUESTION!!

Does anyone know if Skinwalkers 4 and Skinwalkers 3 are compatible? (Like if one player uses 4 and another uses 3)?

[potent dagger]

noting it doesnt sync between players the answer would logically be yes

[wispy wolf]

Yep

[raw halo]

its still not possible to sync the skinwalker right?

so that everyone hears the same thing

[wispy wolf]

nope

[raw halo]

oh is it because you get the voice audio during gameplay and not premade?

kinda used a deprecated mod before and me and my friend could hear the same audio like screaming in the distance or dungeon walking sounds. so i thought it was also possible with skinwalker

tho that mod kinda breaks when going to the company. thinking its a dungeon

[upper dust]

What mod?

[wintry crane]

Anyone?

[upper dust]

It just does that for logging purposes :/

[upper dust]

It’s not an error but it’s also not very efficient

The author said they just don’t want to touch the mod anymore in fear of breaking it

[wintry crane]

That doesn't sound good 😅

[upper dust]

Yea :P but it’s also better than getting hate from a bajillion people after an update accidentally causes a bug

(Which is something that definitely comes with fame [and already happened with this mods 3.0 update] )

[wintry crane]

Oh... I don't like people who instantly turn to hate...

[forest dust]

is there any difference in features between the normal version and the experimental version?

[wispy wolf]

No, just how it works behind the scenes

Experimental doesn't use files

So it's less laggy

Some people crashed tho

Idk if it was a mod conflict or what

[last frost]

is it possible to get a config option to supress the constant "IsEnemyEnabled" logging? It makes it hard to read through log files when looking for information. Thanks!

[wintry crane]

Does not seem to be possible, at least I couldn't find anything

[wispy wolf]

use LessLogs

[last frost]

That seems to just adjust the log level? Which I already set in the main bepinex config

I'm talking about hiding the skinwalker "isenemyenabled" spam specifically

it would be nice to have a config option to mask it

since it makes troubleshooting (or just generally using logs) very difficult

[wispy wolf]

mm there are some other log removal mods I think

I forget the names tho

[raw halo]

log cleaner?

[cosmic jungle]

Look up marking and bookmarking for Notepad+, makes it much easier to just remove lines with certain strings. Obviously ideally they wouldn't show up at all, but this works fine for me

[last frost]

I'll do that as necessary for debugging, I just thought it would be a perfectly reasonable thing to add into the config to toggle

since it's exceptionally extraneous debug-style information

and it spams the log roughly every 5 seconds

it would be nice if it could simply be toggled off

[wispy wolf]

could be a nice QoL change yeah

[wet portal]

whats the current state of the different versions of skinwalkers (main one and experimental one)? i read some about those but im still not sure what to use. im still using the main one (v4.0.1). does it depend on the mod constellation or the use case?

[wispy wolf]

wat?

Constellation?

[cosmic jungle]

Either mistranslation or autocorrect, I think they might mean modpack/group of mods?

Or maybe compatibilities

[fallow knoll]

SYNC MIMICS VOICE TO ALL PLAYERS WHEN 🙏

[wintry crane]

Have a look at Mirage

[fallow knoll]

i did already, but it syncs only masked enemies i believe
having sync mimics voice on all enemies so all people in lobby would hear the same phrases from enemy would be best thing ever literally

[versed sierra]

They just added that feature

Every enemy except modded

You have to run the game with the mod to get the new config pretty sure

They are disabled at default

[wintry crane]

^

[fallow knoll]

i see

i need to checkmark all enemies here i think?

[versed sierra]

Yep

If u want them all on

[fallow knoll]

tysm

really helped me so much

do i even need skinwalkers mod on tho?

[versed sierra]

I mean not really the only thing tyat skinwalker has over mirage is its compatiable with maskedaioverhaul by talking in walkie talkie

[wintry crane]

Only if you want modded enemies to speak too (Which wouldn't be synced in this case)

[versed sierra]

Also ive noticed the mirage voices are more frequent than skinwalkers so if you want to decrease that its the maximumdelqy and minimumdelay options

[fallow knoll]

finally i dont need to ask "did u hear that" 10 times when i hear voice

thanks!!

literally the only 1 more thing that i wanted from this game

[versed sierra]

Chaos is about to unfold! Youll be hearing so many fake voices

[fallow knoll]

it was fun with unsynced voices, i cant even imagine what will happen with synced mimics to all lobby

some next level experience i think

[raw halo]

there was a mod i used to use that has networking sync for audio

we could hear the same atmosphere and screaming in the distance with it

not anymore tho

depreciated

[fallow knoll]

im not sure but i think we started hearing same indoor noises after installing mirage mod

and also using lethalresonance

[upper dust]

Deprecated mods can still be used, they’re just a little harder to find

Do you still have the profile with it or know who made it?

[noble moon]

My friends unfortunately crashed a lot more with the experimental build (expected, it less laggy but it's prone to crashes)

[raw halo]

i don't have it anymore. though im using another depreciated audio which is AbyssalAudio i think

[upper dust]

Yeah, that one’s good :P I finally made the switch to resonance some weeks ago though

[raw halo]

well it's kinda broken right now

[upper dust]

Resonance doesn’t have bugs anymore! + the sounds are great

[raw halo]

still fine for us though

[upper dust]

It was for a while but almost all the bugs are fixed

[raw halo]

LethalResonance?

[upper dust]

Yep!

[raw halo]

abyssal still have bugs

can hear footsteps in the ship when in the company

the sync sound doesn't work anymore

we hear different things

it was okay the last time before the last update but the last update had the voice frequently asking help

but the sync was definitely better in the older version

so LethalResonance has audio sync?

[upper dust]

Yknow… I don’t think that’s resonance. I might be wrong though

[upper dust]

I’m not too sure honestly

[forest dust]

I think so

[raw halo]

until i find an audio that has sync for everyone. ill keep my current depreciated one

[forest dust]

Me and my friends hear the help me and oh God please at the same time

[raw halo]

ill check that out

[upper dust]

When playing single player it works great, but I might switch back if there are any problems. The AbyssalAudio two versions before the last one is the one I use as a fall back

[raw halo]

how often that guys talks lol. it was on abyssalaudio too but it was a lot on the older version

[forest dust]

I'm not sure but it's not that rare

[raw halo]

it wasn't rare on AbyssalAudio

it kept asking Help

it was annoying

my friend kept saying "I Dont Want To" or "Shut Up"

cuz both of us hear it

it was amusing

[forest dust]

It's not so frequent that it annoys us

But not so rare that we barely hear it

[raw halo]

well

we never hear from it once the last final update was out

tho the chucky walk is annoying

[wet portal]

yeah. i mean compatibilities

I mean I just want some advice on which variant of skinwalkers I should use. And I think that probably depends on which mods I use with this version of Skinwalkers. thats what I meant

[wispy wolf]

just use the main one

if u lag, use experimental

otherwise use main

[versed girder]

is this normal?

[wispy wolf]

it means ur playing with an incompatible mod

[craggy finch]

NREs are rarely "normal".

[past tree]

happens often over here ., . - which mod is it?

[maiden trellis]

Is this normal? (Shrimp is from the LC_Office mod)

it keeps repeating this

[cosmic jungle]

It's normal if you have Shrimp set to false in the Skinwalkers config

[north yacht]

Shrimp from LC_Office, and the snail from ImmortalSnail cause those issues. They make their custom enemies in a different way that causes them to be loaded from game launch, which breaks stuff that skinwalkers does. It probably work fine in-game though, at least it doesn't cause crashes or anything, it just spams the logs.

[bold crystal]

⤴️ and if your playing solo.

[cerulean grove]

Can the voices be synced for all players

[versed sierra]

mirage does that but the creator is fixing some bugs

[knotty scaffold]

I keep getting this [Error : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object Stack trace: SkinwalkerMod.SkinwalkerModPersistent.IsEnemyEnabled (EnemyAI enemy) (at <5dce9aa414c946f29f4eb5df62cd6035>:IL_043F) SkinwalkerMod.SkinwalkerModPersistent.Update () (at <5dce9aa414c946f29f4eb5df62cd6035>:IL_0105)

[wispy wolf]

thats cuz you have an incompatible mod

[knotty scaffold]

AdvancedCompany v1.1.1 by PotatoePet AquatisOrionOprava v1.0.0 by Unknown Atlantica v1.0.2 by Magic_Wesley BepInExPack v5.4.2100 by BepInEx Dantors_Mental_Hospital v1.0.3 by Dantor Doms_Basic_Suit_Colors v1.4.4 by 404_Dom Gratar v1.0.0 by Magic_Wesley HookGenPatcher v0.0.5 by Evaisa ImmersiveScraps v1.1.9 by Justice69 ImmortalSnail v0.6.2 by AmesBoys Infernis v2.0.1 by Magic_Wesley JumpDelayPatch v1.0.1 by monkes_mods LC_Office v1.0.3 by Piggy LCMaxSoundsFix v1.0.0 by Hardy LethalCompany_InputUtils v0.6.3 by Rune580 LethalExpansionCore v1.3.15 by jockie LethalLevelLoader v1.1.6 by IAmBatby LethalLib v0.14.2 by Evaisa LethalNetworkAPI v2.1.6 by xilophor LethalThings v0.9.4 by Evaisa MaskedEnemyOverhaul v3.1.2 by HomelessGinger Mimics v2.4.1 by x753 More_Suits v1.4.1 by x753 OdinSerializer v2022.11.9 by Lordfirespeed QuotaRollover v2.3.0 by boxofbiscuits97 ScarletDevilMansion v1.2.6 by Alice Scoopys_Variety_Mod v1.2.0 by scoopy SCPFoundationDungeon v2.3.1 by Badham_Mods ShipLoot v1.0.0 by tinyhoot Skinwalkers v4.0.1 by RugbugRedfern

any idea which one could it be?

[north yacht]

It's ImmortalSnail, and Shrimp from LC_Office causing it. The error can probably be ignored, skinwalkers will probably continue to work fine, but I haven't tested with a group yet

[knotty scaffold]

Alright thank you

[naive kayak]

https://youtu.be/YkZ653zS-Cc?t=509

Nahh bro, that skinwalker got me 💀

Fkin love this mod 😭

[past tree]

., .

[vagrant oak]

Why not make the switch to Mirage?