Lethal Progression

[quaint rain]

how much does heal in terms of hp ?

not %

like 5 hp ?

also is 20 the max

or do you unlock a higher level once you hit it

[opal sentinel]

"not %"

image: 0.25% health regeneration

[quaint rain]

+0.25 %

?

i was asking how many actual hit points it adds from the +5

instead of a %

[opal sentinel]

0.25% health

1 health per 4 seconds

[next rover]

maf

[rotund prism]

Everytime I add the mod and start up I have like 20+skill points available to start with

[quaint rain]

is there passive xp or something i keep getting xp afking in the ship

testing stuff

[lilac nacelle]

Eyeless dogs killing the Baboon hawks can happen, and counts as xp i think, might be that, just a guess tho

[quaint rain]

maybe but i dont think they had spawned yet

[timber lake]

That happens to me as well

Not really sure what causes it

Just randomly get 30 sometimes

[lilac nacelle]

Gotcha, that is weird lmao

[dusky spindle]

Occasionally a mob spawns in a spot it shouldn't be in- or is stuck. It causes them to sometimes die randomly which probably is what gives you the XP

[quaint rain]

ah right

[dusky spindle]

Using SpectateEnemies I've seen snare fleas spawn inside the ceiling and just die outright.

[quaint rain]

ive gotten to level 6 without playing the game

[next rover]

dumb question, should i mix lethal experience and this?

[quaint rain]

id like to reset my level if thats posible

does reinstalling the mod reset my level

or do i have to delete some specific file

id like to start at smae level as my friends when we start out

im just preparing for us

[timber lake]

I think you're right

I went to the log and all I see is centipede and double wing

I assume that's manticoil

[next rover]

pretty sure manticoil would just be called.. manticoil no?

i remember seeing the name in logs

[quaint rain]

centipedes get stuck and there is a mod that kills them to prevent lag i think im running that

unsure

[timber lake]

Oh yah I'm running that too

Wonder what double wing is then

[next rover]

well you guys just answered your own questions

wild

[timber lake]

Free exp

[timber lake]

Noticed when you get fired, if you go into the skills menu when you respawn, it'll still shows the numbers of the skills you upgraded in the last run

You can't remove the points and I don't think they are actually providing the bonus stats

Only thing that was persisting was the hand slots

If I had enough points to have two extra slots and got fired, I'd still have those two slots and could use them. Also for the extra slots, the images in the slot are upside down

Is it also possible for you to add in the option of unspecing in orbit only?

[rotund prism]

The extra slots is still deleting items.

[quaint rain]

prob because of another mod no ?

i will try it

[rotund prism]

it happens when you respect with items in hand

[timber lake]

I just don't upgrade slots when I have stuff in my hot bar anymore

[rotund prism]

this has been an issue for awhile and he's tried to fix it multiple times.

[rotund prism]

I do the same I was just testing it to see if its still happening

[timber lake]

Got you

[opal sentinel]

fired breaking again?

how many times do i gotta fix that shit omg

Also, no way to really fix enemy dying xp, it really doesn't ask for who killed it and I cant check, so free xp I suppose

[timber lake]

Alright

[opal sentinel]

i messed up the math again somehow

on loot value

i swear to god true value should just work mang

[tough sail]

Was the mod updated again? Last night I left my session and had to play with 0 skillpoints like normal. However, I load it up again today, and I have my original amount that I left off with before work

[opal sentinel]

What version are you on

I updated to 1.3.2 last night to fix xp saving

[tough sail]

1.3.2

so I guess it did get updated

[opal sentinel]

Yes. Fixing all the saving issues

[tough sail]

so not used to that lol

Im used to just making a new save file and playing til we all leave and then restarting

thanks for the update then!

[opal sentinel]

That's unintentional

It's based on the save file

If you reset the save file, the xp should reset

[tough sail]

right, so the unintentional part was the loss upon closing and reopening the same save

[opal sentinel]

Saves were not being wiped and even saved in the last patch

I fixed it with this patch

[delicate vault]

Hello! Is there a way to start without no starting skill points

[opal sentinel]

💀

No

I'll add a config, sure

People do ask for a lot of options, I get it

I'm working on two mods at the same time right now

[delicate vault]

Oof, sorry

[teal wolf]

oofs

[lethal dune]

Error fixed whit skin walker mod?

[opal sentinel]

Yes

[quaint rain]

@opal sentinel im level 35 on one of my deleted saves ?

does it not set me back to 0

it did on the other save

like a deleted save slot is giving me levels instead of setback

[opal sentinel]

look at the console

[quaint rain]

what am i looking for

[opal sentinel]

No errors when deleting files?

[quaint rain]

im deleting the save file ingame

now im back at level 0

its a weird bug

seems like there is a bug that has a chance to rememeber ur old stats

[opal sentinel]

🥺

[quaint rain]

its like not happening at all in like 3 resets now

so idk

seems very rare

[teal wolf]

oofs

[teal wolf]

wait.

mikes tweaks compat is just "turn off own setting" D: ?

not, "detect starting hands, then add own progression hands after that"?

[opal sentinel]

Turn off Mike's tweaks hand slots and it'll turn back on

[teal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbledore-welp-well-oh-well-gif-8398567

[lapis flower]

Seems like whenever you leave a game and go back into it all the skill points gets unspeced. Is this on purpose?

[opal sentinel]

Yes

[lapis flower]

Ah rip

[opal sentinel]

no time, i dont want to implement skill point saving right now

it is quite a hassle, to sync and save

[lapis flower]

Oh that makes sense

Guess you just give skill points depending on the level/xp when a player joins a game?

[opal sentinel]

imagine 4 man team, saving those four specific people, preferably by steamid

That's what we're doing

[proper relic]

yeah and then the mod breaks when people run it with more company, it is a bit of a hassle

[opal sentinel]

what

[lapis flower]

I see

[proper relic]

well if you had a team of more than 4 surely the mod would have to be coded differently to save it

[opal sentinel]

No we just loop through everyone

[proper relic]

oh, IDK how unity coding works, or any coding for that matter

[true mirage]

Guys where can i download this mod?

because i was using maybe an old version of it

and now it dont work

with the updated lethal comp. version

[proper relic]

if you use a mod manager (r2modman is ideal) then you can autoupdate mods

[fallen compass]

not sure how but the maxed out hand slots is shifted to the right by 1.

[rotund prism]

@opal sentinel what is the conflict with your mod and the utility belt?

I've been so tempted to try it 😂 I accidentally picked it up and had over 10 slots but then panicked and threw it off the map

[quaint rain]

im not sure why but some random save files after deleting and booting up i start at a higher level

i cant even reproduce it im so confused

[lapis flower]

You get 5 skill points by defualt.

[quaint rain]

is that 5 skill points to you

it saved my old progress

when playing on a new save after deleting previous save

[lapis flower]

Oh my bad

[opal sentinel]

I'm deleting and loading every time

No idea why this is happening

Might start reworking the entire save system..... and fine, I'll save skill points and skills this time

Just need to figure out steam id and byte saving...

[lapis flower]

Rip

[opal sentinel]

current txt solution won't work

might just try the same way as the game

[lapis flower]

Hopefully it works better and isn't too much trouble.

[opal sentinel]

but... but!! I'm working on #1177494370161799239

It isn't that big of a deal right now so I will put all my creative juices in monsters

[lapis flower]

Saw that mod, can't wait until it's out!

[quaint rain]

also after playing with this mod its way too overpowered with a big party

everyone just max out loot value

then indivudal stats

[opal sentinel]

yeah no shit

[quaint rain]

i think loot value should be a higher scan instead of making things worth more

its making the game piss easy

[opal sentinel]

Then touch the config

balanced for 4

not 16

[quaint rain]

i see

we also used hardcore mod so prob gained xp too fast

[opal sentinel]

Configs are there for you to balance it yourself

Theres no way I can account for all variables in balancing

[gaunt patio]

is there anyway to increase the stamina regen by %

[quaint rain]

how come some of them are individual upgrades and some are shared @opal sentinel

like the loot value for example

[opal sentinel]

there's literally only the loot value that's shared

[quaint rain]

is it not posible to make it individual ?

as a config option

[opal sentinel]

Why

that's literally not how the stat works

[quaint rain]

actually i will just disable it

its a dumb stat

[opal sentinel]

Scrap prices are set before landing

if its only one guy, does he see different prices??

[quaint rain]

that stat upgrade breaks the game

[opal sentinel]

That makes no sense

then turn it off

[quaint rain]

i did

[opal sentinel]

It plays fine with 4 players, but you play with like 10 players

[quaint rain]

i played with 8

when i tried this

but yes

[opal sentinel]

And it isn't balanced for more than 4

config is there for a reason

[quaint rain]

you expect majority to play with 4

i feel like most lobbies are huge on this game

you prob might want to make a preset option for bigger lobbies for balancing

[opal sentinel]

Yes, I expect 4

[quaint rain]

so people dont have to manually configure everything

[fallen compass]

then if Stone balances it for 20+ people then the ones with only 5 or 6 friends now finds it too hard to level

there's no pleasing everyone

and best to use config for tweaking

[rotund prism]

My recommendation is set your loot value max level to 10, then you only get 2.5% bonus per player maxed out. We found this to be a good sweet spot with more than 4. With only 4 we set the cap to 10 so it was 5% bonus.
Any more than 20 raises the percentage higher than intended making it to easy.

[opal sentinel]

Sure, if it were too much trouble, I will put it at 50% max at most

I'm taking a break, I want to play games

[rotund prism]

I was talking to the guy for config

Not you Stone 😂

Literally all they have to do is change their config to balance it.

[opal sentinel]

There are max levels for all, indeed

[fallen compass]

also is this place the correct place to report issues for the mod?

[opal sentinel]

i dont know maybe, dont expect me to fix anything for a week

[fallen compass]

oh it's ok

[rotund prism]

He's taking a break. You can post issues and we can try to help.

[fallen compass]

tbh im not expecting solutions and me and my friends still had fun anyway even with the issues

anyway

[rotund prism]

What was the issue?

[fallen compass]

Sometimes, flashlights (and i assume walkies as well) do not work, even if you highlighted the slot and used lmb to try to turn it on and off

if you pick up something with the flashlight slot highlighted, it replaces the flashlight and the flashlight is lost.

[rotund prism]

If you level up handslots with items equipped it breaks and deletes then

[fallen compass]

yeah this happens too

[rotund prism]

Drop everything you're holding when leveling or respecing hand slots

[fallen compass]

but i have also experienced this without any skill points in hand slot.

[fallen compass]

yeah that's what we did as a workaround.

[quaint rain]

i just disabled the loot and hand slot values for now

[rotund prism]

If you take points out of it it will break it still.

[quaint rain]

cant be bothered balancing it myself rn

[opal sentinel]

this is the lethal progression mod page

not reserved slots

[fallen compass]

we dont have the reserved slots installed

[opal sentinel]

whats a flashlight slot, you mean just having a flashlight?

[fallen compass]

sorry, i mean the regular slot containing the flashlight

that was my bad.

[opal sentinel]

The mod really doesn't touch your slots if you don't upgrade them

[rotund prism]

It's simple. Just drop everything when you go to upgrade hand slots. Not that big of a deal. My group and I do it every time

[cloud orbit]

if someone gets a +battery upgrade and then gives the item to another player then the charge persists

interesting

[teal wolf]

the game. expects 4.

[quaint rain]

vanilla isnt modded

🙂

[teal wolf]

but mods are also constrained by the modders desires and the game's own stability.

so if you play a mod balanced for 4, with 8 in a game originally made for 4. then halve the values or enjoy a slightly more imbalanced/broken game. and whatever else hijinx occurs from the chaos and shenanigans of 8 players.

[lapis flower]

The thing is you can’t really balance this mod for larger modded lobbies in the code, that’s why there’s a config. You can’t have the value of the skill per point change whenever someone joins or leaves cause it would be hard to balance something that can change a lot and that much variation.

[quaint rain]

no shit but you should have said the mod expects 4 people not the game

[rotund prism]

No need to act rude when people are just trying to explain stuff.

[lapis flower]

Honestly it should be given that most mods are balanced to 4 players by default unless said so considering the vanilla limit is 4 people.

[teal wolf]

👆

[quaint rain]

rude ?

didnt mean to be rude lol

[supple gust]

Would it be possible to add a config to the stamina skill so that it ups stamina regen as well? Or maybe even regen instead of max stamina?

[opal sentinel]

Might make it a separate skill, but first.. gonna need transpilers, as the math for stamina stuff are super hardcoded

Upcoming jump height skill

[primal rapids]

would love for the hand slots to work with the reserved slots mod

[opal sentinel]

I cannot

[glossy topaz]

Hey @opal sentinel, I thought your mod was very cool but I believe it might have a slight issue with health calculations. I tried playing this with a group of 4 and for some reason, all players' health were linked. I was running this mod in a collection of ~40 plus mods, so it may have been a conflict, but I have disabled it nonetheless. I was also running this in conjunction with Lategame Upgrades, but I was worried it would conflict due to both mods potentially editing the same variables, are you aware of any issues? Thanks for your hard work!

[opal sentinel]

It's hard for me to test every mod under the sun unfortunately, if it changes the same variables, it might not work. Also, I don't think I'm even touching health though, so I doubt my mod is doing anything there

Only health regen, could you try to be more specific

[glossy topaz]

Sure, my apologies. It only seems to happen with your mod enabled, but when any player takes damage anywhere, everyone also seems to take damage.

[opal sentinel]

There's nothing in the mod that's even close to networking health values, wtf

[glossy topaz]

Do you mind if I ask how your mod handles the code around health regen?

[dusky spindle]

Yeah I noticed that health regen would cause everyone's health to appear damaged too

[glossy topaz]

Thank you! thought I was going insane for a second lol

[dusky spindle]

It might just be visual, though.

[opal sentinel]

Adds one health every second

[glossy topaz]

It could be, but it's still alarming

[dusky spindle]

since it didn't seem like we took damage? and tzp healing would show us at full hp

[glossy topaz]

I assume you are doing something like health+=1?

[opal sentinel]

You're saying the flinching animation is playing every time?

This is literally taken from the player's health regen from the default game but edited to work with mine

[glossy topaz]

Do you have a public repo? I can take a look if you want

[opal sentinel]

yeah

https://github.com/stoneman2/LethalProgression/blob/main/LethalProgression/Skills/HPRegen.cs

This is copied from the game's code on health regen under 20 hp

[glossy topaz]

Thanks for the link, I just cloned your repo, give me a couple minutes to skim it

[opal sentinel]

you could look on GitHub but alright

[rocky relic]

An IDE has better search functionality

[opal sentinel]

github search ain't that bad recently

don't matter though

baffling, visual bug most likely

[glossy topaz]

I tend to use ripgrep, it flies through whatever I need pretty quick and gets rid of the fluff I don't need

I looked over it and honestly the way you have it written looks fine to me

[opal sentinel]

I don't know how it wouldn't, this is the same code as the game

Literally the same way

[glossy topaz]

I'm thinking something in between is not playing nice

[opal sentinel]

wasn't a problem in testing

[glossy topaz]

Did you test in a group of 4 setting?

[opal sentinel]

Lan, by myself

[glossy topaz]

hmm

[opal sentinel]

and second instance

[glossy topaz]

I'm not too sure honestly

I did notice in game that sometimes one person wouldn't take any damage

we had an instance where all players in the facility took the same damage in different locations, but the player in the ship was fine

[opal sentinel]

health isn't networked though

how is this

[glossy topaz]

I'm really not sure

I don't think it's a you problem, like you said, you did everything right. I just think something in between must not be playing nice

I'm not super involved in unity modding so my point of view is just from the code you have written. I don't know anything about harmonyLib, or how it's passing you playerControllers, but maybe the issue might lie around there?

Sorry I couldn't be of more assistance

[opal sentinel]

harmony does it all

the player instance is all it needs

I highly doubt it's something in the mod, but a visual bug

[glossy topaz]

I think you may be right, but it's still bound to give someone a scare

Certainly did to me the first time I tried it lol

[opal sentinel]

Unless we find a way to disable damage flinching

How the hell did the game do health regen in the exact same way and not happen

A lot of small little bugs recently...

[glossy topaz]

So i've noticed as well. I love the game but I feel like under the hood it might not be super air tight if you catch my drift

[opal sentinel]

out with my dog, at the beach

vacation 😌

[glossy topaz]

Lovely dog! Enjoy your vacation, you shouldn't have to worry about this while you are out lol

[dusty loom]

Was the holding space upgrade removed?

[opal sentinel]

what

[dusty loom]

saw this on the video, however I don't see it in my game - I assume hand slot upgrade was removed?

[opal sentinel]

holding space upgrade?? Hand slots you mean

I turn it off automatically if people have incompatible mods because it'd literally make the game unplayable

[dusty loom]

yeee oops

[dusty loom]

mmm no worries - was just checking I downloaded right mod

great mod btw

[teal wolf]

I seem to be getting that "phantom damage tick" issue too

from above

I also had a bug report related to it, not knowing where it could originate from. #1185660727722254386 message

so if it's not you and not tzp healing in my game. I'm not sure where it originates.

[opal sentinel]

God, I want to make sprint speed upgrade so bad

But the headaches with mike's...

[teal wolf]

also lategame upgrades?

[opal sentinel]

There ain't no way I can make this mod work with every single mod

[teal wolf]

not even sure how or even if the stats betweeb the lategame upgrade and yours work yet.

or how they stack.

not really a numeric stamina display.

unless someone has a mod suggestion for me that does so

[opal sentinel]

#1179342415782494278

[teal wolf]

OWO

[rotund prism]

They work fine

Actually you become pretty over powered late game

Also Utilitie Belt and hand slots are working nicely together @opal sentinel the issues tend to lie with the utility belt itself. It has a few bugs regardless if yours is present or not

[opal sentinel]

I see

I put it in there just to be safe

[rotund prism]

I'm sure there is something bad that might happen 😂

I think jump height would be cool

And melee DMG.

Melee DMG would need to work like hand slots though and have a cap.
10 points equals +1 DMG with Melee weapons.

[teal wolf]

Indeed. Utility plus slots is nice.

[teal wolf]

Plus protein powder in late game upgrades and lethal parry. Stonks damage.

[teal wolf]

Do you need to set it, or can it just be a percentage/addition to the final number?

[opal sentinel]

I am adding to it

[teal wolf]

Should be fine, if a bit stonks then?

[opal sentinel]

I am not going to write anything for that

[teal wolf]

owo?

[glossy topaz]

@opal sentinel Just figured I should shoot this over to you before I forget, found these in my logs, thought you might want to see them. [Error : Unity Log] KeyNotFoundException: The given key 'HandSlot' was not present in the dictionary. Stack trace: System.Collections.Generic.Dictionary`2[TKey,TValue].get_Item (TKey key) (at <787acc3c9a4c471ba7d971300105af24>:IL_001E) LethalProgression.Patches.XPPatches.DisconnectXPHandler () (at <921abc4e643b402eb381ff4e93321c57>:IL_0001) (wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetworkManager.DMD<GameNetworkManager::Disconnect>(GameNetworkManager) QuickMenuManager.LeaveGameConfirm () (at <44743d9474784365a095189c76175301>:IL_0012) UnityEngine.Events.InvokableCall.Invoke () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0010) UnityEngine.Events.UnityEvent.Invoke () (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:IL_0022) UnityEngine.UI.Button.Press () (at <281a675b48d344e28f9941b2777fd620>:IL_001C) UnityEngine.UI.Button.OnPointerClick (UnityEngine.EventSystems.PointerEventData eventData) (at <281a675b48d344e28f9941b2777fd620>:IL_0009) UnityEngine.EventSystems.ExecuteEvents.Execute (UnityEngine.EventSystems.IPointerClickHandler handler, UnityEngine.EventSystems.BaseEventData eventData) (at <281a675b48d344e28f9941b2777fd620>:IL_0007) UnityEngine.EventSystems.ExecuteEvents.Execute[T] (UnityEngine.GameObject target, UnityEngine.EventSystems.BaseEventData eventData, UnityEngine.EventSystems.ExecuteEvents+EventFunction`1[T1] functor) (at <281a675b48d344e28f9941b2777fd620>:IL_0067) UnityEngine.EventSystems.EventSystem:Update()

[opal sentinel]

what mods do you have on

[glossy topaz]

One sec, there is another log I want to send connected to the player contoller

Stack trace:
(wrapper dynamic-method) GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB.DMD<GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB::LateUpdate>(GameNetcodeStuff.PlayerControllerB)```

to be fair, that one doesn't reference your mod in particular, but the fact that it does reference the same PlayerControllerB makes me think its related

[opal sentinel]

that doesn't help

[glossy topaz]

I know :/

[opal sentinel]

did you change something in the config

[glossy topaz]

negative

mod list:

ACS.AdditionalSuits
atomic.terminalapi
atomic.terminalclock
BetterEmotes
BlueAmulet.BetterClock
Boxofbiscuits97.QuotraRollover
com.cyanblob.motiontracker
com.github.tinyhoot.ShipLoot
com.malco.lethalcompany.moreshipupgrades
com.rune580.LethalCompanyInputUtils
EmployeeAssignments
evaisa.lethallib
fivetoofive.DetailedScan
FlipMods.FasterItemDropship
FlipMods.HotbarPlus
FlipMods.LetMeLookDown
FlipMods.ReservedItemSlotCore
FlipMods.ReservedFlashlightSlot
FlipMods.ReservedWalkieSlot
HDLethalCompany
Hexnet.lethalcompany.suitsaver
LC_API
LethalCompanyMinimap
LineCompassPlugin
me.eladnlg.customhud
me.swipez.melonloader.morecompany
MegaPiggy.BuyableShotgun
MegaPiggy.BuyableShotgunShells
Miodec.HideChat
mnc.fixcentipedelag
mom.llama.enhancer
monke.lc.jumpdelay
MoonOfTheDay
Pinger
RickArg.lethalcompany.helmetcameras
Rozebud.FovAdjust
Stoneman.LethalProgression
suskitech.LCAlwaysHearActiveWalkie
taffyko.NameplateTweaks
WeatherMultipliers```

[opal sentinel]

reserved slots

[glossy topaz]

Doesn't like it?

[opal sentinel]

It's supposed to disable it though

Does this do anything

nothing?

errors didn't mean anything?

Running on disconnect handler

[glossy topaz]

I can't relate anything to a specific event because the log is so polluted with unity info, but during this session, we did have problems with items not being picked up or "ghost items" in slots

[opal sentinel]

I can't figure that out

[glossy topaz]

I downloaded a different hud to check if you were right about the visual bug, and you are correct, the health is reported correctly by the custom hud, however, the health critical message still gets sent to all clients, regardless of their actual health

[opal sentinel]

i hate that

[opal sentinel]

fixed this

[glossy topaz]

that was fast, wym?

Also I'm terribly sorry, I don't mean to keep bothering you on vacation, I just wanted to send it before I forgot about it

[opal sentinel]

I've just went in and reworked the saving / loading system, now saving skills and setting them accordingly based on joining.
This is based on steamids, however, lan will not load

This also means I can't test it alone 💀

rough for those lan players

[leaden mirage]

@opal sentinel how does the mod work
Does it give more xp for more scrap or what

[opal sentinel]

Have you tried reading before asking

[leaden mirage]

My internet is too bad to even load the messages above

[leaden mirage]

Polish schools

Idk why but it seems like theyre just blocking the signal or are placed in the worst position possible

[opal sentinel]

No excuse man, go read the mod page

[leaden mirage]

The browser wont even load

Ig ill check this after school

[teal wolf]

welp. guess I gotta test my game online but alone then. :V

[opal sentinel]

how am i meant to save lan players

[teal wolf]

oh. so... nothing can be done about the red HP bar damage flash and stuff cause of the regen? D:

[true cairn]

Yo, me + some friends were using this mod, and we've seen some bugs

• if you get another inventory slot while having items they sometimes bug/disappear
• sometimes if unlocking another slot while carrying things you wont be able to use anything until you lock the slots again
• lootvalue multiplier leveling is shared in multiplayer (not sure if bug tho, not that bad since it feels like "group progression")
• not sure about this but i think the lootvalue multiplier stacks as well, e.g. if you have +20% loot value with 5 people its +100% for the value, makes no sense though if leveling is shared

we love your mod btw, good shit 👌

[rotund prism]

He's aware of all of these already.

[true cairn]

aight

[fallen compass]

If i were to balance the mod for 8 players, do i just double the values required for level up in the config?

cause we had a game yesterday where scrap value was ridiculous cause we had like 8+ people and everyone put their skills in scrap value.

[tough sail]

i would triple or even quadruple it

but that still wont really solve the problem

instead, make a cap for the skills you want to nerf

[tough sail]

and reduce how much they increase by

i went from having loot value being able to level up 100,000 times, to only 200, with a 1% increase each level

works really well

atleast for 4 people

for 8, I'd prolly do .5 or .25

[teal wolf]

don't get you people just banking on loot. I alway put into energy, regen and hands first.

early game is perfect for that. when the quotas are cheap...

unless ya'll are the psychopathic mascochist types with that brutal stuff... :V

[opal sentinel]

math is borked

There's a bug, best you simply turn it off until I release 1.4

[rotund prism]

set the max lvl for scrap to 20. This will make it where the max percent per person is 5% anything higher than that will end up breaking the mod making it increase higher than it should.

Ok just checked to confirm, yes set your loot value max level to 20. This will keep it to a more balanced level as going any higher gives more % increase than intended.

[delicate vault]

I don't want to be a party pooper or anything, but is this allowed?

[ebon tapir]

I don't see why not. Modders add onto a base game that someone else created. I feel like it would be pretty hypocritical to get mad when someone adds something onto your mod.

I will say that my POV is that of a non-modder, so I could be wrong.

Though I have seen a large amount of mods in this community that DON'T add anything and literally copy another more popular mod.

[lone horizon]

it is different cuz modders arent redistributing the game's code, but this mod redistribute's someone elses modified mod. However in this case it could be different cuz the original mod was distributed with the MIT License:
https://github.com/stoneman2/LethalProgression?tab=MIT-1-ov-file#readme

[ebon tapir]

I can definitely see your point with redestributing someone else's code

[true fulcrum]

Idk if it's been thought up or brought up at any point, but it may be cool to see the early game progression stretched out a bit by having certain moons locked until hitting a certain number of quotas. No more titan runs on the second quota. Could probably be a standalone mod too but figured it'd make sense in the progression mod too

[opal sentinel]

Would sure love if it is a fork

So they get changes when I do changes

The code isn't even open source

Be honest, kind of hitting my dedication to work on the mod a bit

In this case, might just go work on something else and let them do plus if they're gonna call it that

People gotta see that it's Lethal Progression, but better if it's plus

[lone horizon]

its all good, can just make it obvious its not the main one

idek the differences

[opal sentinel]

I guess i should've picked a different license

I love MIT, but I guess I want it at least to be open source

[lone horizon]

the plus moniker does feel pain

[opal sentinel]

And anyone using mine gotta be open source

On another topic, I made github issues templates and people completely ignore them

I see how it is

[lone horizon]

if i counted on my fingers how many users know how to use gh issues, i prolly wouldnt need hands

[opal sentinel]

Is it too hard to understand....

[lone horizon]

i think the main wall is github itself

[opal sentinel]

It's templates, you have to go out of your way to remove the templates to ignore it

[lone horizon]

people dont really want to navigate it

but at least this channel is easier for people to reach i think

[opal sentinel]

No, templates literally appear when you click new issue, there is no way you can ignore it

there's no possible way

[lone horizon]

thunderstore really should have some kind of spot for people to put things

no i meant, i dont even know if common users would even know to click issues on gh

lol

[opal sentinel]

I'm talking about someone who did, got passed the options to choose what they want to do, bug report?

[lone horizon]

oh wait really lol

[opal sentinel]

Then when the templates shows up of how they should've done the bug report, with pre written answers and examples already inside, decides to delete everything and write in a few words instead

???

Some important info that'd have made shit super simple for me

So I won't have to ask twice, but naaaah....

remove it all, put in the same question someone already has in the issues list

[lone horizon]

your mod is cool

[opal sentinel]

I don't know if this thought is forbidden

Putting my mod and then plus at the end kind of makes me kind of angry

I'm gonna go work on other things then

[lone horizon]

yeah a few ppl got their mods done dirty that way alr

[opal sentinel]

Could've done it in terms of using as a base, adding skills isn't private

Maybe I shouldn't have been open source

[lone horizon]

it is YOUR work and YOUR choice

YOUR time and YOUR energy

[opal sentinel]

Go ahead with this, go use plus

[lone horizon]

remember that people arent entitled to those things that belong to you

[opal sentinel]

I'm going to go work on #1177494370161799239

Not gonna update this anymore, too tired

cranky

[lone horizon]

[fallen compass]

Never understood why people think it is ok to take a mod that is still being updated, fork it, add "plus" to it like they think their version of the mod is better than the original.

it's just rude.

and i don't blame you for feeling demotivated to work on it anymore.

[opal sentinel]

Am I selfish to think of this too?

[fallen compass]

no? i would do the same.

[lone horizon]

no

lmao

[opal sentinel]

Might just change the license

What license doesn't allow reuploads

[lone horizon]

idk anything bout licenses, think most people dont even have a specific license

its prolly just a general copyright

[opal sentinel]

No license at all might work better, since that implies all rights reserved

[fallen compass]

think most people generally use MIT or the GPL ones but those are not the ones stone is looking for.

[opal sentinel]

then a takedown is all it takes

[lone horizon]

robin just nukes all reuploads on sight

she just said she wasnt sure here cuz the license

[opal sentinel]

The license being MIT is fine and all

People usually have the courtesy of asking, but just "Your mod but better" takes me out of working on it now

So here's the gameplan, I do plan on working more on this after more thoughts

But change the license

[lone horizon]

Fair plan

[opal sentinel]

And if they take from the repository without permission, takedown

[lethal dune]

as a note the way licenses work means that anyone using a version from before the license change is fully complying with the license (iirc from my time interacting w GPL and AGPL; not sure about MIT)

however

if this fork isn't open source it is itself violating the license isn't it?

[opal sentinel]

That true?

[lone horizon]

yeah cuz ur license requires them to show the MIT license

[opal sentinel]

I understand and know this, this is why I'm not taking action

[lone horizon]

p sure they dont

[opal sentinel]

It's MIT, I take the L

[lethal dune]

ah, no, MIT doesnt require derivatives to be open source

only GPL/AGPL

(i generally prefer GPL for this reason)

(it always rubs me the wrong way that people can take your work and give nothing back w/ MIT)

my mistake, sorry

[lone horizon]

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all
copies or substantial portions of the Software.

they dont include the license in theirs

so technically?

[opal sentinel]

I guess my early morning thoughts of not reaching out might change

[lone horizon]

i only say technically because itd be easy as hell for them to fix

but it is a violation

[opal sentinel]

Gotta ask them about the decency

[lethal dune]

i strongly advise either going All Rights Reserved or GPL in the future if you want to avoid people taking your work and running

[fallen compass]

even if you dont put a license, there's a lot of people that think that as long as it's on github, it's free game.

[lone horizon]

including copilot

B)

[lethal dune]

absolutely, but thunderstore doesnt think that

so you can takedown anybody who violates your rights or GPL

[opal sentinel]

That's what I'm saying! Gonna not include a license next time.

That means it's automatically all rights reserved

[lethal dune]

yep!

[opal sentinel]

That means it's up to my whims if I want it up

[lethal dune]

github too generally but they dont usually go through the trouble of taking things down for small projects

[opal sentinel]

It'd have been fine with me if they just call it some kind of expansion

however, just making a competing mod with the same name with a plus on the end

That's bitter

[lethal dune]

the worst part to me is closing it off after doing that

like man

someone else already did the hard work

and you just take it and close it off and add a plus

[lone horizon]

i bet if u poke robin about the lack of the license in that upload

she'd nuke it

lmao

[opal sentinel]

@agile knoll

[teal wolf]

you can always.... pull an uno reverse and become plus plus if they actually have good ideas....

[opal sentinel]

what's the opinion on this

[lone horizon]

MIT License requires all derivatives to include the MIT License

[opal sentinel]

For Llama, after wailing all morning, I find that someone making Lethal Progression and then adding a plus to the name is wacky as fuck

Even if the code is slightly changed, but not much

[teal wolf]

yeah thats just rude. :V

[lone horizon]

could say whats the opinion, but a license violation isnt really opinion based

so theres that

[teal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/thonk-thinking-sun-thonk-sun-thinking-sun-gif-14999983

[opal sentinel]

Me going into transpilers and then needing a week to prepare for 1.4.0 and someone just goes in and does it anyways in the simplest way possible

[lethal dune]

my favorite license meme personally is people using GPL, someone forks it and adds a 'plus', and the original just takes all the good parts back because... its GPL
or forks just sucking so bad that they arent worth it

[opal sentinel]

The funny thing is, pretty much all changes they made

Are already done on my end

I've already made speed and jump upgrades

[lone horizon]

this person gonna forget bout maintaining their version anyways

[opal sentinel]

Naming it Lethal Progression Plus is still wacky as fuck

People will think this is "The definitive" edition

[lethal dune]

honestly id see if you can reach out to them and say you dont like the name

[opal sentinel]

You can't change names unless they deprecate

[lethal dune]

ah

thats kind of annoying then

[lone horizon]

they can change name if they get nuked B)

[opal sentinel]

https://github.com/stoneman2/LethalProgression/commit/6a5b49df155274bbce37eef0e4258d11efa5be9a

[lone horizon]

💥

[opal sentinel]

Legally

Any use of this code before 20th of December is technically under MIT

as long as you follow that

man, I'll let anyone use my code as long as it's not called "Lethal Progression but better"

[lone horizon]

what if i make Lethal Progression but lesser

sorry i had an inability to resist

[fallen compass]

Lethal Progression but detrimental

[lethal dune]

Lethal Regression

[fallen compass]

if you assign skill points to scrap value it is actually negative

-100% scrap value

and you lose hand slots

and your character's stamina will now be as if they had been eating mcds for 3 meals for 10 years straight.

[knotty forum]

Had the same with HP, went intoruns damaged

Removed the mod and it was fine again

[fallen compass]

It's just a cosmetic glitch

[teal wolf]

and a jump scare. when the damage tick happens on screen

[fallen compass]

Yeah

[teal wolf]

gets me every time.

[opal sentinel]

Hardcoded damage code be like

I'll see what I can figure out

[teal wolf]

huh. well thats whack.

[opal sentinel]

v1.4 needs actual playtesters though

So if someone can help, I'll need some playtesters

[fallen compass]

It's kinda funny when you add regeneration and watch your full HP slowly turning red.

[lone horizon]

could prolly help

but ill be sleeping soon ish

if im responsible that is

[opal sentinel]

I've implemented skills saving :)

Redid the entire save system

It uses steamids, so I can't test on LAN

[lone horizon]

hm i see

are you saving non locally?

[opal sentinel]

I'm saving to the host

[lone horizon]

ohh wait now i get it

i was kinda confused for a moment there why

host has everyones skillpoints saved

[opal sentinel]

All xp is validated and saved to host

[teal wolf]

I could probably test. been wanting to have a game but had been waiting on employee assignments but it's done now.

[opal sentinel]

I'm somewhat stuck on Mike's tweaks compatibility

[lone horizon]

so many mods modify values like that yeah

[opal sentinel]

Clearly the other mod didn't even bother with this much thought, see how they handle it when the mod don't work on their modpack

Mike's tweaks touched up runspeeds, I do the same, however, if Mike's is found, my code won't run

[lone horizon]

can you detect if mikes is loaded

[opal sentinel]

kind of fucked, this is why handslots are disabled

Yes. I turn off upgrades based on if other mods are found

If Mike's tweaks extra hand slots are activated, I turn off mine. It's not worth the hassle

If you turn off Mike's hand slots in his config, it'll turn back on

There's gotta be ways to contact people on thunderstore right??

I wanna contact this guy first

[regal geyser]

The only reason I was interested at this "plus" mod was I liked the idea of xp on monster kill but it does seem pretty messed up going about it like they did. Our group would be more than happy to test the new release for you!

[opal sentinel]

What?? That's from the original mod

Monster xp on kill is a feature I put in since 1.0

[regal geyser]

Dang for real? then there is no reason to swap lol

[opal sentinel]

They've done speed and jump.... features already existing in the upcoming 1.4.0

[lone horizon]

how you feeling on it now

[opal sentinel]

It's gone

[lone horizon]

nice

[warm shard]

how about reduce weight?. and i still not understand about loot value :/

[opal sentinel]

Yeah, that's planned

[teal wolf]

the plus mod?

[opal sentinel]

Yes

[teal wolf]

noice

yeah, that was rude

[warm shard]

welp, when update 1.4? cause i need weight reduce, and speed.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/956743214398836806.webp?size=48&name=vn_hehe&quality=lossless

[teal wolf]

🤨

[opal sentinel]

I'm working on it

[teal wolf]

#1185660727722254386 message

I've located the mod (in my mod set) which causes the weird damage tick that makes the health bar look completely red.

[warm shard]

i dont like this is spam log :/

[warm shard]

this is happend when u already dead btw. please remove 🙂

[fallen compass]

i think the really spammy ones should go into Debug.

Unfortunately, even the base game also spam Info level logs

workaround is modify the bepinex config to not log Info.

it will cutout 90% of the logs.

[warm shard]

ya i know, but i need check all mods what i install. get error or no?
example like backroom mods. that mods broken my modpack also like store shotgun shells my terminal get bug

[fallen compass]

those show up as "Error" and "Warn", not "Info"

specifically the red and yellow text

[opal sentinel]

I don't even know that spams

gotta remove all the logs, I forgot 💀

[shadow fable]

Upon loading in as a player, this error is given repeatedly and I am stuck on this screen. the host however enters fine and sees the menu fine.

To be clear, I did this in lan with myself and I have a sizable list of other mods.

[opal sentinel]

This is not the error

Go even before

[narrow jacinth]

Do I need to have another mod for the handslots stat to appear? I loved it in another modpack but it’s missing in mine

[opal sentinel]

Don't use mike's tweaks to add hand slots or reserved slots

[narrow jacinth]

Oh I see, reserved slots is breaking it. Thank you :)

Does any mod that messes with inventory size break it?

[opal sentinel]

Yeah

[narrow jacinth]

Okay cool, ty

Great mod

[teal wolf]

ouchies. that hand slot upgrade bug making items go poof do be buggin

friend got oofed by it just now.

cause I forgot to mention it in time and he had just updated his slots as I was intending to tell him. :V

and then I proceeded to be bad at the video game and accidentally jump off the ship in transit by moving too fast.

[opal sentinel]

I want to get to the bottom of this

Anyone up for an extended playtest?

Please ping

[old nova]

btw deleting a save does not remove the levels, so im stuck with level 40 on my first save and 20 on my second, no matter how many times i remove them

[teal wolf]

not this again,

[opal sentinel]

I've completely redid the save system

[teal wolf]

I thought stone stoned that.

[opal sentinel]

In 1.4

I need playtesters

[teal wolf]

mm....

[opal sentinel]

Someone please

[teal wolf]

I can probably test. right now?

or another time?

[opal sentinel]

Yeah

[teal wolf]

gotta have food first and... warframe stuff is ticking away tho. so. hm...

an earlier time tomorrow?

[opal sentinel]

Good luck catching me

[teal wolf]

oofs.

with just your mod?

or some other stuff you want to test it against?

[opal sentinel]

1.4 save system rework

[teal wolf]

anyways, brb foods ready.

[opal sentinel]

Might give up on mike's tweaks compatibility honestly

lord

[teal wolf]

I have like 2 other things that can do similar but also do different things simultaneously. :V

[opal sentinel]

I can't make everything compatible

[teal wolf]

but I use the handslots upgrade anyways and turn theirs off, cause it feels more progressiony than just "stronger stuff for free"

[vapid shoal]

Do you still need play testers?

[opal sentinel]

Why not

[vapid shoal]

Alright, I'm ready, I just don't know how you want me to test this

Just use lethal progression by itself?

[opal sentinel]

come into the vc

[shadow fable]

@opal sentinel did I find the right spot?

[opal sentinel]

dont highlight it please

[shadow fable]

awe shoot, I just closed out 1 sec

it's going to be a minute, got to load back in

[shrewd sable]

inversed:

[opal sentinel]

i understand

[shadow fable]

thank you so much @shrewd sable

What could be causing the incompatibilty/issue here? Surprisingly I've seemingly only noticed this in LAN not online. I am currently multiplayer testing my modpack because we had some issues the other night playing it.

[shrewd sable]

ur welcome, I just went and pasted it into paint, then inverted the colors from the right-click menu after selecting all pixels

[shadow fable]

I'll be around for a few hours, if you need anything from me to assist in sorting this out I'd love to help.

[opal sentinel]

i have to go

[shadow fable]

Understandable, I'll just remove LP for now and we'll talk about it later once I sort out these other bugs.

[opal sentinel]

What mods are you playing with

There has to be more errors

Just send the entire log file

[shadow fable]

gotcha, I'll do so in a few moments here.

[quaint rain]

you should add a option to make skillpoints not revertable so they are perma use

[shadow fable]

I looked at it and I assume it's something with one of the emote mods or something?

[warm shard]

@opal sentinel https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/Henny/RogueCompany/
sure using u code then rename HHHHHHHHHHH

[lone horizon]

what the hell my eyes

thats the same guy as before, but up to stoneman what he thinks this time

if he's using the old code thats under MIT then he still hasnt added the license, and if its the newer code then stoneman gets full say cuz all rights reserved

[agile knoll]

rejected. That's a clear attempt to get around my request to work with stoneman on this. I left the modder a note to come see us if they wanted to get permission

[ebon tapir]

renaming the mod and trying to post it again is CRAZY 💀

[shadow fable]

I realized earlier you should see both of these the .1 is the player on lan that crashes.

[opal sentinel]

Why play on LAN

[opal sentinel]

Also, forgot to tell you aaaaaaa

I've told him to come in now, but definitely not made github open again

But there's a contact

However, you did say to come in the discord, I slept before I realize they're gonna do it again

[agile knoll]

oops

I can un-reject packages so let me know if that's a thing

[opal sentinel]

That's okay

I still prefer it to not be up, don't like reuploads..

[shadow fable]

I am testing multiplayer with myself to know about bugs before my group meets up

this didn't happen with the same set of mods online though to be clear

[opal sentinel]

1.4.0 is in the works

[plush rain]

Is it planned to have an extra row of hand slots? I'd like to get up to 16 or so slots, but make the level progression really slow. So people need to work for them

Or a better question would be, is there a place where i could read the planned updates for 1.4.0?

[opal sentinel]

too busy playing ultrakill

https://twitter.com/PhilipIONO/status/1737642143697797610?t=PyvClbLZRa_3-yjZC8JLzQ&s=19

[bronze basin]

Thoughts on the new stuff?

[opal sentinel]

Very fun

[bronze basin]

Nice

Oh btw does anyone know if there's any conflicts with Diversity?

[opal sentinel]

why would there be??

[bronze basin]

The conditional states like bleeding and such

[opal sentinel]

why would that cause errors

[bronze basin]

I think both affect health/regen

And idk

Coding is magic and bs

[opal sentinel]

I'm just adding 1 to health every 5 seconds

theres no way

[bronze basin]

Ah alright

[alpine estuary]

would this work well with lategame up grades

[opal sentinel]

Hard to

Some features might not work when used in both

So, be careful with them

[alpine estuary]

just 2 upgrades may not work with it

maybe 3

idk

[tough sail]

it'd be funny if they stacked

jumps over factory building on experimentation

[opal sentinel]

Jump height is additive

It will stack

Watch your knees

[steady rock]

hmm i have been thinking about this mod quite a bit, so maybe ill see what break and config based on that

[opal sentinel]

You can customize however you choose

[opal sentinel]

Hello, I'm needing tests of an upcoming build of Lethal Progression, 1.4.0
There are a lot of changes; for now just stability, but soon networked saving. Just put this in your plugins folder in BepInEx for now.

Lethal Progression V.1.4.0 - Beta

-Added strength as a skill. By default, weight reduction up to 75%.
-Added run speed as a skill, needs a lot of points in it to be significant. (Disabled if Mike's Tweaks is on. Turn it off.)
-Added jump height as a skill, uncapped, at the detriment to fall damage.
-Reworked saving.
-Now saves skills based on steamID, this won't load on LAN, but there shouldn't be any issues otherwise.
-Added unspec in orbit only - New default.
-Fixed handslots ghosting.
-Removing points in hand slots now properly drops items.
-New saving system should fix all loading and progression bugs, (I hope)

[opal sentinel]

Any issues, please tell

[steady rock]

i was not testing the new one but maybe i should But i got some errors currently

got some errors

[opal sentinel]

Maybe it's fixed

I can't look at it right now, please just explain it

[steady rock]

this is with the new ones aswell. i get some errors with loading in asset bundles so compatablity issue with moreemotes mod

[opal sentinel]

A non issue

LC Api autoloads shit even though my mod is loading it already

It doesn't matter because mine loads first, it just complains and that's all

[steady rock]

aight then i wont worry

[teal wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/myeyes-gif-5294202

[teal wolf]

OWO. no more broken hand slots when upgrading?

[steady rock]

aight the value thing is super broken especially when you are like 7 players

day 3 we had 2k

[warm shard]

just make limit loot value 10 or 20 and per increase 0.05

every mods need balanced by yourself. like mine, i setting the speed max 5 ( Vanilla movspd 4.7 )

[narrow jacinth]

is the value upgrade per person or does it increase scrap value for everyone? My group has seen different value numbers at times and I'm wondering if its something intentional or mods not playing friendly (Its a pretty hefty pack)

[obsidian blaze]

when you change the config on letha progression for the lott value for example. does the host control the config or everybody can make their config a different value aside form host?

[agile knoll]

@opal sentinel have you heard from the Lethal Progression+ guy? I just bonked another one of their uploads

[opal sentinel]

nope

[opal sentinel]

Christmas

go do christmas

no time

[lethal dune]

hello, anyone knows why my progression is not saved when restarting the game? could it be because i have extra saves slots with LC better saves?

everytime i come back I'm back at 5 skill points max

[rotund prism]

I might be wrong, but I believe they are incompatible with each other.

[lethal dune]

oh sad

Is there any command to add skillpoints manually or some setting to change the starting XP/skillpoints at least?

To somewhat get the xp back until the saving issue is fixed

[opal sentinel]

Lethal Progression V.1.4.0 - Beta

-Added strength as a skill. By default, weight reduction up to 75%.
-Added run speed as a skill, needs a lot of points in it to be significant. (Disabled if Mike's Tweaks is on. Turn it off.)
-Added jump height as a skill, uncapped, at the detriment to fall damage.
-Reworked saving.
-Now saves skills based on steamID, this won't load on LAN, but there shouldn't be any issues otherwise.
-Added unspec in orbit only - New default.
-Fixed handslots ghosting.
-Removing points in hand slots now properly drops items.
-New saving system should fix all loading and progression bugs, (I hope)

More:
-Embedded the asset bundle directly into the dlls' resources.

[frosty wedge]

when u have an item in slot and levelup ur slot, the item dissapear

but the cog icon is still in the slot

until u pick something else

[timber lake]

The beta fixed that issue

[opal sentinel]

Pausing a little because of christmas

Need to get saving working again, will get back to this later

[bold crane]

Take your time man. Enjoy the Holidays

[rain rain]

Hand slots aren't showing up as an option in the skill menu. Wouldn't be because of FlipMods' reserved slot mods, would it?

[timber lake]

Yes

[rain rain]

Welp.

That's a problem I could've fixed three weeks ago

[timber lake]

There's a conflict with hot bar plus and the beta

If you quit while having extra slots, when you load back in the extra slots overlap

When you remove the points, the bar seems to be offset to the right and it'll be permanently offset even when reupgrading

Not that big of an issue, just letting you know

[white gate]

Is there still the issue when upgrading/removing extra slots that it won't drop items
basically in till you restart the lobby? ( killing two birds with one stone )

[timber lake]

When I was testing the beta fixed that as well

[old nova]

btw apparatis does not scale with scrap value

[fallen compass]

I had that same problem once and I don't even have HotbatPlus, so imagine it maybe more shenanigans with the hand slot system.

[lapis flower]

Using this and it seems like the levels stay with you even when you reset a save or make a new one.

[opal sentinel]

It seems like the save system needs more work

so yes need more work, but new years has popped up hard recently

[lapis flower]

All good, just letting you know

Is there a way to reset it?

[dark panther]

Hola, just a heads up for when you are working on this next, there appears to be some conflict with running this with terminal api as the ship and loot on the ship doesn't reset when the you get fired from failed quota.
I'm assuming something gets cached somewhere in the conflict as removing lethal progression doesn't fix the issue without running the game once after removing the mod before resetting from a failed quota works again.
Anyhow, have a good end of year break!

[ripe kettle]

does this mod work with late game upgrades???

[bold crane]

Yes

[ripe kettle]

Will it work with LethalThings's utility belt?

[bold crane]

This is what it says directly from the website

I normally have hand slots turned off when using lethal progression but everything else works great and I'd really recommend the mod

@ripe kettle

[tender heath]

Upgrading hand slots with items in your inventory makes your inventory bug out and you lose everything you had in there

[opal sentinel]

i am celebrating christmas and new years

1.4.0 is still not done because the new save system isn't working

[bold crane]

Take your time man. No rush. Would definitely want everything polished before a release to minimize issues and more work for you. Enjoy the holidays

[unborn hare]

hand slots somehow dont work

[unborn hare]

yeah and even then, pressing F (due to the toggle flashlight mod) turns on flashlight despite not having flashlight

[ocean marsh]

guys the hand slots - loosing items bug causes your items to disappear from item bar but not character. Take a look at your weight. It's not zero with no items.
This is fixed in latest beta release (scroll up. Stoneman posted the .dll). It's working pretty good but still has issues with saving.

Speaking of saving it seems like quitting and loading the same save over and over seems to exponentially increase the sprint speed bonus (but not battery life or stamina).

but when you quit out of the game and load the save again it's fine. once ofc. and that's even if you save again with the bugged bonus.

[opal sentinel]

i see

thanks, im out for the new years party

soon okay

[bold crane]

[ocean marsh]

have a nice new years eve everyone

[livid flint]

@opal sentinel Hey man! So I was trying to figure out how to get this carry weight stuff to work for a long time and I really like the way you are handling it in your current beta version of Lethal Progression. I would love to add this feature into my mod that doesn't really conflict with your mod (Weightless Inventory only while at the Company Building. The mod is called CompanyBuildingEnhancements) and would give ya a shout in the ReadMe for your method. (I'm not really a coder by trade and my mod was relatively simple until getting into carryweight lol). Can also make my mod compatible with yours once you release your update publicly. Just wanted to know if you are ok with this.

[opal sentinel]

sure

[dapper hatch]

@opal sentinel at what point is the bonus from scrap value stat applied? Is it when we land on the moon?

[opal sentinel]

yeah

[dapper hatch]

Ok cool, thanks

[autumn ridge]

my logs are getting flooded with this, anything i can do about it? (besides turning oxygen on of course which i don't want)

[opal sentinel]

What mods do you have

[hot imp]

How exactly does the loot value work? is it when you sell it to the company that you get more? not noticing any difference

[dapper hatch]

It increases scrap value when the moon is generated @hot imp

[hot imp]

Ah awesome, thanks 🙂

[unborn hare]

is it fixed now

[ocean marsh]

scroll up to download the v1.4.0 beta release. that fixes it.

[pine bough]

Is there a popular mod causing a network config mismatch? We copied profiles with a code, but this is happening, even when we disable most of our big content mods, but not sure what's causing this.

I don't wanna go through all the mods right now and disable them until lethal progression works xD

[quaint rain]

@opal sentinel does it work for for v48 ?

[opal sentinel]

i don't know

[quaint rain]

i will test it

he fixed the xp bug

so might be an issue

seems to be working

i will test it with 2 lan clients its not as powerful as testing actual netcode

[quaint rain]

works fine

[craggy swallow]

I love the mod and I have two questions. I apologize if these have been answered previously already!

• Is there a plan to make this mod compatible with the ReservedItemSlot mods?
• How exactly does loot value work? Is it meant to be pumped up when selling or when going to actual moons for loot generation?

[dapper hatch]

its technically compatible, you just cant buy more hand slots

[warm shard]

loot value, when you landed moon the scraps will increase the value. every landed not when you already landed then you increase the Loot Value [ Level ]

sry my eng bad :))))))

[idle storm]

Still having this save issue, willing to try and take a third party look at it. Havent done a lot of game dev but do a lot of server dev

@quaint rain you using the original version made by Stone or one of the forks off the git repo

[quaint rain]

Original

[quaint rain]

I disable hand and loot

[torpid turtle]

How does the math of loot value exactly work?
because we had one person dump there points into loot value and its at 10% loot value. The large axle we got was around 110 scrap which is double the maximum amount a large axle would be which is 56 instead of 61.6

[opal sentinel]

its broken somewhat

i've been wanting to fix it but i have been very much do college stuff

[quaint rain]

Is it posible to make it only posible to update 1 hand slot but rlly xp expensive @opal sentinel

[opal sentinel]

Do it in the config

[quaint rain]

yeah i meant in the config

if its posible

but if you said that it prob already is

[sullen zodiac]

Hi, can you add config options to change the amount of skill points we can add at once? Me and my friends really enjoyed this mod, but we have to click a button for 200 times to manually add 1000+ skill points every time we reload the save.

[quaint rain]

would this be 1 level @opal sentinel ?

and no more after

is there no way i can make the xp more costly

10 levels is nothing

[opal sentinel]

Every 100% is 1 handslot

do the math

[quaint rain]

well level 10 is when you get a new handslot no ?

[torpid turtle]

Pretty much yeah

[last monolith]

Just downloaded the mod and tried it. Playing with a 21:9 monitor with LC Ultrawide

If I disable it (aka playing in 16:9) its kinda there but a bit to the side

Just discord casually not loading the pngs lol

[opal sentinel]

I cannot support 21:9

[sage viper]

You can use it in 21:9 by just pressing escape and then immediately pressing enter, as the skills tab is selected by default, the menu after that is loaded correctly

[vast pawn]

why

why is it spamming this

ik i disabled it

but why is it spamming it

[fresh fiber]

can someone give link to downoald

😭

nvm

i find

[snow maple]

sorry for bothering you

but i need a bit of help

why does the hand slot not available in the skill list?

the automatically produced config file has it set to true

but it just don't exist in the list

like the list of skills exists

i can upgrade and see sucessful results in health regen

but where's the handslot?

[opal sentinel]

Unsupported mods

[snow maple]

i ran a test

[opal sentinel]

check the mod page.....

[snow maple]

i removed everything and then isntalled bepinEX and then lethal progression

and everything was working

so i added an other mod

[opal sentinel]

Check the MOD PAGE

[snow maple]

ii'm trying to provide your page assitance give me a moment

[opal sentinel]

This is NOT A BUG

[snow maple]

it kept working and i quickly found out that reserved item slots are the problem

i know

in your mode page

you can add in info of reserved itemslots being incompatible with your mod

[opal sentinel]

I.... did....

[snow maple]

is there any way to fix this incompatibility problem?

alright let's forget about all that

i need help with something

[jovial gull]

Hello, @snow maple, we have a dedicated support channel and forum here: #help-and-troubleshooting #1185732310700654732
Anyone responding is a volunteer so be patient.

[snow maple]

how do i inject levels into my save?

i had 28 levels

28 upgrade point not levels

and i lost them during me cutting out the BepInEx folder

[bold crane]

Is there an update on 1.4?

[sour raft]

stoneman, do you go in vc anymore? 😔 (modders/devs vc)
I remember watching you make lethalprogression
good times

[opal sentinel]

college is on

[sour raft]

so sad :(

[lament crest]

Quick question, could an issue with extremely high value scrap be related to this mod? I'm combining loot value from this along with weather multipliers and value just skyrockets like crazy, don't know if this might be due to a code issue or just a weird interaction between multipliers, even going to a normal weather still has scrap values of 200-350 per item, with about maybe 120 levels between the whole party in loot value.

[opal sentinel]

Yeah

[lament crest]

Thinking its due to having both mods? Or just wonky numbers in the code with leveling up a lot the loot value? That way I could see about removing the multiplier for weather or just changing config values for this mod

[hollow tangle]

having issues with this mod working. My team and I get the initial 5 points and then never get anymore points again, despite apparently getting XP. We had, what I presume was like 4000 or so xp (if I was reading the right thing) and still never got anymore skillpoints

and using the patch also didn't fix it

[livid widget]

Same issue, my levels and stuff isnt saving and I can only level up without the patch

[hollow tangle]

but it worked for you without the patch?

[livid widget]

Leveling up did, but not saving progress

When the patch is installed, I cant level up, but it saved my earnings and experience

Without the patch, I level up but it doesnt save

[hollow tangle]

huh, i must have some kind of outside mod issues then cuz even without the patch, leveling up doesnt work

[livid widget]

Let me check without the patch and see

it couldt be an icompatibilty

[hollow tangle]

health regen seems to actually cause damage, not heal it. I could be sitting in the ship with full health and have 0.1 health regen and I will start turning red - aka losing health over time.

And while probably also mod confliction reasons, having extra hand slots completely bricks a person from interacting entirely.

[hollow tangle]

but it's pretty clear this mod is dead sadly

[opal sentinel]

yeah

[teal wolf]

🫡 🪦

[bold crane]

Will it ever get revived or worked on again?

[opal sentinel]

later

[plush meteor]

I want to suggest something;
It resets levels when the save starts from zero, but I personally want to be able to keep leveling up on the same save, could you add it via config?

[dusty junco]

#modding-general message (@timid moth / Stoneman) VAL needs to be added, allowed to be calculated - and set back to 1 when the ship reaches orbit to prevent this (most likely). Yes, I did spend over 4 total hours trying to figure this out (8 hours from when I started to now, but about 4 or so trying to figure shit out). I do not think it's possible in this code's current state to function with anything multiplying the value due to weather (or other outside sources).

To think a god damn Debug line would've helped figure this out a tad faster -, -'

With that out of the way, I'm going to pause trying to hammer the pack together because that took way longer than it should've. The images there clearly show how the LP is screwing up the value of items spawned in. I ensured to reload numerous times, ensuring it's facility generation - and ensured 3 datasets to rule out potential RNG causing this to be a coincidental finger-point. It is LP, LP doesn't function with other mods multiplying off weather. But it does seem that scrap amount multiplication seems unphased.

[plush meteor]

Writing here just to confirm, I also realized that one of the installed mods is messing with prices because it was like 600/100 of map's max and we were sure something was off, not sure how/why LP mode affects that though

[dusty junco]

Can't figure out how to solve this issue -~ -

[dusty junco]

Assuming something is screwing up here

[dusty junco]

Do not use CatsArmy LethalProgressionPatch - it is bugged by itself, together, and with other mods. It is none of your mods breaking it, it simply doesn't function. Disable VAL on the original mod to have an "okay" time.

(both together, on, in the event that was supposed to fix it somehow - tested too just in case)

But as it stands, the orignal mod (whilst broken in the VAL department) - seems to function with the rest of my activated 128 other mods.

[delicate badger]

dose this mod work with Lethal expansion core?

[dusty junco]

Yes.

Can confirm currently - as of now.

[delicate badger]

ok ty

[dusty junco]

I cannot confirm if it works with LE enabled since I disable that- but it DOES work with LE disabled, and LEC enabled - I should clarify.

[dusty junco]

Additional Information: For whatever reason, this mod also causes an infamous noise bug to have hoarding bugs infinitely play their attacking-noise... even when they're dead

If you hear a bug infinitely trying to fly/attack you, this one caused it too.... some...how.... 🤔

[delicate badger]

ok

[dusty junco]

After thinking about this for a while doin' other shit- I must ask somebody who knows their way around modding and figuring out the chain of events as to why bugs do the things they do... Can somebody look into why specifically the hoarding bug gets bugged out from CatsArmy's patch of lethal progression but not any other enemy that makes sounds when angered/attacking? The spider doesn't make any crawling noises when dead, the snare flea that makes the skittering noise when attacking doesn't infinitely loop... why the hell specifically does the hoarding bug's sound loop (when no mod that affects it other than the yippee mod is active) but not any other enemy upon death due to that mod?... I'm baffled and very curious.

as far as I know (and expect), Lethal Progression shouldn't touch AI at all. It gives experience when one is killed, that should be detected just on any entity death and not specifically on every individual entity... The upgrades have nothing to do with dealing damage to the entities so the HP should drop all the same... It affects the client in a pseudo sync (only because it's waiting for loot to be deposited) XP manner that doesn't affect enemy spawn rates whatsoever (from every skill, to leveling up). I'm extremely curious as to how some code-chain of dominos causes that specific sound to loop. ., .

[plush meteor]

Once that happens, logs on console must help

[opal sentinel]

Hello, I indeed do not touch AI whatsoever, and I don't know what catsarmy is doing. I've been so busy with this college year, I seriously don't got the time to deal updates anymore. There is a wip version on the GitHub with a saving system that doesn't reset player skills and various bug fixes, even more skills such as Jump Height and move speeds, but that's all gonna need some heavy playtesting.
Right now, the saving system doesn't seem to work due to steam ID issues and I can't test it by myself due to needing multiple steamids - otherwise, it's pretty complete.
Just needs bug testing and squashing.

I will try to see if I can get it out after midterms, super busy atm

[dusty junco]

ngl- ...

I've been losing my mind a bit as to why the hell when I set things one way that it ends up the other-

My initial setup: Max: 25, Multiplier: 25. Me: "That means, after 25 gets put in, the next level of hand slot will be 50." Incorrect.

Next attempt: Max: 180, Multiplier: 30. Me: "That means, it takes 30 per hand slot, meaning 6 additional slots maximum since 180/30 = 6." Incorrect.

I don't know how I've read this thing 6 times to see that the Multiplier... ... I don't know how the hell I've read "How much does the hand slots skill increase per level" - but I read that as "How many more points the next level will require when it's reached". ... No that literally means - if set to 30, each level in hand slots adds 30%.

🤦‍♂️

[torpid marten]

Oh awesome! Lethal Progression is one of my faves because it adds such a nice and simple RPG element to the game.

I was really looking forward to an update

Hope time at school goes well, gl with the update! If you need an extra hand in testing I'd love to assist

[opal sentinel]

They often take a while, I'll need to finish with some college midterms and then probably final projects before thinking about this

[torpid marten]

Yeah understandable. Yours is just great. We have stuff like Advanced Company and Lategame Upgrades, but those can be overwhelming and complex. No shade to them, they're great on their own. But yours is just a perfect simplicity to the game. Love it.

Actually I have a few friends who really enjoy the mod and constantly ask about updates for it 😭 So if you need even more hands to test, we're here, just @ me

[timid moth]

i also got tests and ill be real i dont fully understand the way Lethal Progression works that well i might even deperecate it the only reason i made it was becaues i was sick of being unable to click the button

[candid ore]

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this (I don't know how to search for messages within just a post in a forum instead of the whole forum) but I would really like a config option that allows you to change the point increase presets. The standard ones are +1, +2, +5 but for the skills whose max level is higher or that don't have a max level, it would be nice if there was a +10 or something or a config option for you to edit that in yourself.

[dusty junco]

Understandable - especially when you gotta spec in like 200 points when you load up a save 😅

[candid ore]

Right? When my friends and I have a long game going on and everything is at max level except for oxygen or something and you have 200 points left, would be nice to have a +100 option.

It's really the only issue I have with the mod. Everything else is perfect 👌🏿

[pure cobalt]

Digging lethalprogression, but wondering if I can get some clarification on how the xp scaling/calculations work.
I get that the xp minimum is the xp required to level within the first quota.
I'm assuming that quota multiplier is a percentage increase applied to the minimum xp value on a per quota basis (40min increased by 30% for a new min of 52 which tracks with the defaults in game). This continues until it hits a cap which is set.

The one I'm unsure on is the Person Multiplier which is awkwardly worded. "XP cost to level up go up per person."
If the default is 35, does this mean that the XP minimum is raised by 35 per extra person in the lobby? Needing only 40 xp minimum becomes 145 with a group of 4?

[dusty junco]

My take on it: Base XP set to 25, and Per person set to 25, means solo = 25, 2 players = 50, 3 = 75, and 4 players = 100 XP for the level up (which then gets shifted up based on quotas met via. a multiplier). Old response, yes, but dat is what I believe it to be

[keen turtle]

So I've noticed since V50 there's been a lot of issues with points and stats not resetting after a failed quota. There's no error in the log to specifically point to why it gets carried over and shouldn't. It almost seems like a desync issue since some players will keep their points and others will lose them

[dusty junco]

Tis true. However, the points get "lost" upon spec'ing a point into any of the stats. Also, from my testing, it seems some of the stats work after and some don't. Health regen for example doesn't seem to work after - even if the stat is glitched, as well as battery life. But Hands slot and stamina seems to carry over

It's a tad odd. The "actual" stat is to the right (which will always be 0), but the game I guess doesn't update or doublecheck your hands/stamina stats until the stat changes, even after a fail

[keen turtle]

When it happened before v50 I noticed respecing would reset it, but since v50 i've had it happen where respecing did not fix the issue. One of the times it actually resulted in the value increase becoming negative. It's almost as if the mod needs to manually reset the values back to default at failure

[dusty junco]

Yeh. Tis a shame even after a fail - and a command setting it as a fail - doesn't fix the points. I tried fixing it with a manual loss 😅

[sinful snow]

I had that problem since v49, but I assumed it was normal. 😂

[keen turtle]

What does the fail flag trigger? When the fail sequence starts, or after the player is spaced?

[dusty junco]

Honestly- I never tried to figure that out o- o

all I know is, it fails to remove the "Points"

(even though it does ... remove it- it also doesn't. It's so odd...)

[keen turtle]

The reason I ask, is if the flag is triggered when the sequence starts or after the player is spaced it could change how it's handled, If it's being checked "after" the player is being spaced it's likely getting lost due to the scene change when everything is resettings. If you can find the event listener that triggered the "disciplinary action" audio track and use that listener you could use that that reset the values and reset the UI before the player is spaced

[edgy linden]

is this v50 compatible?

[dusty junco]

It works 🤷 ... has lots of buggy interactions like the VAL stat still borked, not losing set points in skills after a loss (if a point is added in each, it 'fixes' them, which sort of leads to a "do not set points into leveling up until we get a good amount of points" thing... eh~)

the fact that you'll lose your inventory if you upgrade hands stat to pass a threshold

so you gotta upgrade it with empty inventory 😅

and if you upgrade with things in your inventory, the weight is permanent until killed

not even a TP fixes it afaik

[torpid marten]

Oooh, so don't upgrade str with items in your inventory?