Lethal Creature

[thorny sandal]

I set the scale far too small so they look like little goblins

[ornate kite]

@candid pumice After some more testing, and me figuring out how to publish things on the thunder store, yeah, I should be posting it soon

This is a pretty incredible bug, glad they figured it out!

[ornate kite]

Also, not sure if you've experienced this, but using the newest version of More Company, it breaks my kobold mod, so I assume it breaks the Lethal Creature one as well

More Company 1.4 adds cosmetics which don't play well with the custom model

[split pumice]

do I just drag into bepinex?

[tribal marlin]

Into the plugins folder. Though unless your facing the same issue as no1 was, you don't need that version for now

[split pumice]

i was as well expierincing the issue, lol. so this is fine right?

in the plugins folder to be specific

[ornate kite]

@tribal marlin I believe I fixed the texture flicker

The issue is the current InitModels function will spawn additional meshes ontop of eachother everytime a player dies and respawns

Adding an additional IF statement to check if the mesh component has already been spawned will fix it

{
    var localPlayer = GameNetworkManager.Instance.localPlayerController;
    Debug.Log(localPlayer.gameObject.name);
    var players = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<PlayerControllerB>();
    foreach (var player in players)
    {    
        if (player == localPlayer)
        {

        }
        else
        {
            var Kobold = player.gameObject.GetComponentsInChildren<SkinnedMeshRenderer>().ToList().Find(x => x.name.Contains("LethalKobold"));
            if (Kobold != null) continue;
            player.gameObject.AddComponent<LethalKobold.KoboldController>();
        }
        
    }
} ```

You would just need to replace "LethalKobold" with "body" for yours

Might not be the most efficient way, but I tried the whole day looking for ways to get it to work and this is the only one I found 🤣

[wild arch]

updated my api and i think it broke it

[thorny sandal]

yeah the 1.4 api breaks my mod as well

[tribal marlin]

Ah right, the updated api got pushed out

[tribal marlin]

I gave this a try earlier but I keep getting errors

\PlayerObjects.cs(27,101,27,107): error CS1061: 'SkinnedMeshRenderer[]' does not contain a definition for 'ToList' and no accessible extension method 'ToList' accepting a first argument of type 'SkinnedMeshRenderer[]' could be found (are you missing a using directive or an assembly reference?)

[thorny sandal]

Are you having problem with the new api?

[tribal marlin]

Oh nah, the api itself is fine

thunderstore on the other hand seems to be getting snagged on something with the zip file

Thunderstores upload doesn't seem to be working for me right now, so here's the zip directly

It just keeps getting stuck around here

And then after sitting there for a minute it goes poof

[leaden fern]

I think I've heard some other people complain about the tstore this morning, think its a bit on the fritz

[viral wasp]

Honestly I thought they WERE skaven and got so happy till I saw the tail docked lol

[tribal marlin]

Captive skaven that are farmed inhabit one of the planets the moons circle and having their tail docked is part of their indoctrination coming of age ceremony before venturing off into space to salvage treasure hunt for quota precious shinies, never to be heard from again

[viral wasp]

💀 yeah skaven is like my favorite race from any media ever tbh

[thorny sandal]

@tribal marlin hey can I ask you how you make your assetbundle? I'm having a problem where other people who join after, or people who respawn would be invisible

I've been testing out my mod and this only happens when I load my hazmatnardo.fbx instead of your lethalcreature.fbx

[tribal marlin]

Did you make any changes in the code, or just roughly pieced together the bundle based on errors bepinex gave ya?

Here's all the files in my assetbundle

I did make some changes to a few names in the past two updates

[thorny sandal]

Thanks, I did change the code, but I think I might have found my solution

if only I named my mesh Body

[thorny sandal]

public static void DisablePlayerModel(ref PlayerControllerB __instance, GameObject playerObject)
{
    var localPlayer = GameNetworkManager.Instance.localPlayerController;
    if (playerObject == localPlayer) return;
    playerObject.gameObject.GetComponentInChildren<LODGroup>().enabled = false;
    var meshes = playerObject.gameObject.GetComponentsInChildren<SkinnedMeshRenderer>();
    foreach (var LODmesh in meshes)
    {
        if (LODmesh.name == "Body") continue;  //I think this disable every mesh except body
        LODmesh.enabled = false;
    }

}

[tribal marlin]

Ah, maybe that might have an effect then

Made some little notes of your own too I see

[thorny sandal]

I'll give renaming a try

[tribal marlin]

zoomy said this line here apparently is what stops our own model from being changed to the modded one
if (playerObject == localPlayer) return;

But I tried marking it out, and even changing those two false spots near it to true

and there didn't seem to be any effect at all

[thorny sandal]

hmm yeah I saw you asking about this. I'll see what I can try

[tribal marlin]

The whole code could probably use more sprucing up or even a bit more of an overhaul but not really sure who to ask

[thorny sandal]

uh funny question, when do we get to see ourself

[tribal marlin]

Your own hands, your shadow, and that little camera above the radar

[thorny sandal]

I thought your hands is a separate mesh

[tribal marlin]

Well it is still technically one of the ways to see yourself. I wish the code had included something for that too but I recall zoomy mentioned leaving it out cause of how massive and oversized that amongus model was when scaled up

And they did mention at one point not having interest in expanding on it much more either, so I don't wanna bother em with it too much

Which is also unfortunate cause they're kind of the only one that made player model replacement mod that I know of
And all the rest of us have just been building off from it

[ornate kite]

Yeah, this got me hung up for like day

I had the same problem with my model, and yeah, that disable function hides everything other than the name of the mesh, so either you name your mesh "body" or you rename that to whatever your mesh is

[ornate kite]

Hmm, it should just be a part of the Unity API

Your error says 'SkinnedMeshRenderer[]' right?

player.gameObject.GetComponentsInChildren<SkinnedMeshRenderer>().ToList().Find(x => x.name.Contains("LethalKobold"));

[tribal marlin]

Is it one of these, or would i need to add that to the list?

[ornate kite]

This doesnt have the brackets in the type

try removing the brackets?

That's what my PlayerObjects.cs has in it

[tribal marlin]

I don't think I had any brackets there, I just copy and pasted what you posted

[ornate kite]

Can you show what you've got?

[tribal marlin]

        public static void InitModels()
        {
            var localPlayer = GameNetworkManager.Instance.localPlayerController;
            Debug.Log(localPlayer.gameObject.name);
            var players = UnityEngine.Object.FindObjectsOfType<PlayerControllerB>();
            foreach (var player in players)
            {
                if (player == localPlayer)
                {

                }
                else
                {
                    var Creature = player.gameObject.GetComponentsInChildren<SkinnedMeshRenderer>().ToList().Find(x => x.name.Contains("Body"));
                    if (player != null) continue;
                    player.gameObject.AddComponent<LethalCreature.CreatureController>();
                }
            }
        }```

Looks like system.linq was the missing key

[ornate kite]

Oh, nice

[tribal marlin]

So how did ya even notice the duplication error happening?

I don't think I've heard anyone else bring it up, nor have I noticed it myself yet

[ornate kite]

I knew it was happening due to the flickering, as that type of thing only happens when two models are directly on top of eachother

And so then I looked at the log while testing, and saw that the debug for the suits texture case you added was showing multiple meshes

And it kept adding one each time a player respawned

Not to mention, atleast for me, other player's suits would revert to the default orange skin on the other players screen

[tribal marlin]

@stoic geyser That debug ya added seems to have come handy!

[ornate kite]

so I knew that a new model was being instanitated with the default skin

[tribal marlin]

Well can thank 753 for that debug, they're the one that made the outfit code

It certainly also reinforces their thoughts that the code is in heavy need of an overhaul aha

[drifting mulch]

so this was what your questions was about Hyst haha

[ornate kite]

Haha, yeah

[tribal marlin]

Ello again Hugo!

[drifting mulch]

did it work out? I know LCM gave some insight as well, and hey hey

[ornate kite]

I tried your method, but am really unfamiliar with how unity handles its components and things, so I wasn't able to get it to work, and after trying a bunch of more random things, I found a lonely forum post with someone that had the same issue as me for another project of theirs

So I used their line of code and it actually worked 🤣

[tribal marlin]

Oh also I did spot those funny little cosmetics, even ended up seeing em first hand from another group of friends using MC.
They didn't seem to have any trouble with my mod beyond just poorly fitting

[drifting mulch]

I do a bunch of mesh and material stuff for Valheim, so I can shed whatever help I can but sounds like you found some code that helps

[ornate kite]

Interesting, for me, it straight up doesn't allow me to join a game, just says "error has occured"

But I can try to look into it again

[tribal marlin]

Atleast here we don't gotta worry about a dozen different pieces of armor with various stats

[drifting mulch]

haha yeah, I'm not a fan of how ItemDrop was made

I don't need food stats for my sword 😠

[tribal marlin]

Though I do wish this code was set up to work with a prefab instead of splicing all the bits and pieces together through code

But from what I recall zoomy mentioning, the way the player character for the game is set up is strange

[drifting mulch]

if you want we could probably made something that function where you just toss it some textures and it does the above behind the scenes I did that with my PrefabFixer

yeah looking at the player character it's a bit funky

[tribal marlin]

Yeah, so with my limited knowledge the code could of ended up this way because of that
So I can't really fault zoomy for that

[ornate kite]

Funky stuff for a funky game 🤣

[drifting mulch]

do you have a git for it? You can add me as a collaborator and maybe later we can pow-wow and get something setup for you, at least if make adding new suits easier

[tribal marlin]

From what I've seen others mention here and there while trying to pick apart the game files, it seems Zeeker has some rather eccentric ways of coding and piecing together assets for their games

[drifting mulch]

still better than me, I don't even have 1 game to my name yet haha

[tribal marlin]

Oh for sure

We can critize and huff and puff all we want, but they made a game, and we haven't

[drifting mulch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/502152995438329858/780363036153479178/31b.gifv.gif

true tho

but it's still interesting to see, it's like "how not to do X" sort of deal

[ornate kite]

I use funny blueprint spaghetti for my games 😏

[tribal marlin]

They made a very popular and profitable game and we haven't

[drifting mulch]

and ergo there is "how to do y right"

[rocky hare]

I wanna collab, and make dergs

[tribal marlin]

Actually... it is kind of funny now that I think about it

this is like the second time now I've gotten into modding a low polyish indie game that just skyrocketed into millions of sales

[drifting mulch]

I feel most of it is luck to be honest. I'm glad they struck it good, but there is also so many hidden gems that will never get the same

[ornate kite]

Yeah, it's all luck and chance with these sort of things I feel

[tribal marlin]

Indeed, it is always unfortunate so many just never see a chance at breaking out

[ornate kite]

But glad his game made it

[drifting mulch]

like during Covid like Fall Guys and Amougus got hella up there, and LC sort of falls into a mix of the 2

[tribal marlin]

In LC's case, I thin kthe main thing that helped is it's absurdly memeable

[drifting mulch]

and it just exploded thanks to creators

[ornate kite]

I just hope he can keep it up, and not "ruin" the game

[drifting mulch]

sounds like I'm being cynical but I'm not, he lucked out, and I'm glad he is now successful

it's like the dream we can all hope for

[viral wasp]

I would say it's due to it's cinematic nature, and it's variety in enemy behavior that makes the gameplay actually fun similar to OG SCP Containment breach

[tribal marlin]

Eh, Zeekers game in the end, but I do worry too with them being a solo dev suddenly having this massive fanbase fall into their lap so soon after release

[ornate kite]

Oh yeah, same - it's awesome a one guy game that's priced fairly and fun is so popular

To me it's basically phasmophobia 2

[drifting mulch]

I think the enemy variety, for a EA game is actually really good

[ornate kite]

Same type of game and same type of hype

[viral wasp]

Yeah except I hate how lazy phasmophobia is

[ornate kite]

But the game actually works other than phasmo

🤣

[drifting mulch]

it def contributed it to being more enjoyable instead of like most games where it's like 1-4 mobs

[tribal marlin]

I often wish phasmo was more bold

and like fleshed out the whole ghost hunting theme more

[drifting mulch]

which for a solo dev is actually commendable

[tribal marlin]

like maybe could be three different phases

[viral wasp]

I remember opening the ghost book in the game, seeing that all of the ghost types had specific behaviors and weaknesses, getting excited, and then immediately being disappointed that all of that is just fake flavor text that doesn't actually affect gameplay at all

[tribal marlin]

First phase would be taking the role of that mystery team that learns what house is haunted, the name of the ghost, and how it responds to groups or solo players

[viral wasp]

Then the VR version would just have a ton of bugs normally lol

[tribal marlin]

Second phase would be phasmo as it exists now

And third phase would be full on ghost hunting exorcism kind of thing

Will be interesting to see where LC goes from here

[drifting mulch]

but yeah I'mma go lurk elsewhere for a bit, if you want to collab on some code Hyena, toss me a DM. I remember doing verbose stuff like that over and over, and just caved and made my own system, it's still a bit more long hand, but it's shorter now

[viral wasp]

Hyena did you ever figure out the custom suits implementation?

[ornate kite]

Same, I hope they develop more stuff to the game, there's a ton of great ideas modders have here that would be excellent if added in a formal capacity

[tribal marlin]

Yeah, 753 helped make some code for it a few nights ago

@drifting mulch https://github.com/DarnHyena/LethalCreatures

[viral wasp]

Nice, now the next question is, would it be possible to combine multiple of the creature mods (I saw some cool ones posted in here) or is it hardcoded to replace all character models?

[tribal marlin]

I think the code would need an overhaul first to determine the possibility of that

I'm not certain the code as it exists now would work with multiple models

[drifting mulch]

could do it via "suits" and maybe have a clientside setting for like Hyena, Cat, Dog, fish, etc

and then if they pick suit 1 it adds an offset to the index?

[viral wasp]

thought so, if it is possible in the future that'd be a dope evolution of the mod where special suits added onto the rack will actually change the model as well

[drifting mulch]

green suit is different for each player based on what animal they want to be

well "different" it's just the greensuit index for said race

[ornate kite]

Technically, it should be possible, since you can add multiple mesh components ontop of eachother

Since we were doing it accidently up until now 🤣

[tribal marlin]

But would the other players see it?

[drifting mulch]

if they were all registerd yes

[ornate kite]

So we would just need to setup a system to enable a model on suit switch

or whatever we wanted

[tribal marlin]

Ah yeah true, I guess more of a worry of how spaghetitted the current code would end up if we tried

[ornate kite]

Oh yeah of course

[drifting mulch]

just patch into the pick suit, and once they "update" so like Hyena it's be suit 2, but for dog it'd be 2+6 (8) for a green suit dog

[ornate kite]

Just saying it should be possible

[drifting mulch]

so the player would actually be index 8 and tell everyone they're that

RPC jazz

[tribal marlin]

Personally I would stil lwant the different suit colors to be an option aswell

[drifting mulch]

idk I'd have to see what you, 753 cooked up

[tribal marlin]

ALONG with the option to have different models

[drifting mulch]

yeah that's what I'm saying,, all the models are added, you just need to make a greensuit for all of them

and then client side they pick their race, and it's an offset

[tribal marlin]

Ah, kk

[drifting mulch]

so everyone "has" all the races, just when they are given their suit ID it shuffles itt to the right one for them

[tribal marlin]

And here's the code 753 did for the suit toggles

    [HarmonyPatch(typeof(UnlockableSuit))]
    internal class UnlockableSuitPatch
    {
        [HarmonyPatch("SwitchSuitForPlayer")]
        [HarmonyPrefix]
        static void SwitchSuitForPlayerPatch(PlayerControllerB player, int suitID, bool playAudio = true)
        {
            Texture tex;
            switch (suitID)
            {
                case 0:
                    tex = LethalCreature.CreatureController.TexBase01;
                    break;
                case 1:
                    tex = LethalCreature.CreatureController.TexBase02;
                    break;
                case 2:
                    tex = LethalCreature.CreatureController.TexBase03;
                    break;
                case 3:
                    tex = LethalCreature.CreatureController.TexBase04;
                    break;
                default:
                    tex = LethalCreature.CreatureController.TexBase01;
                    break;
            }

            SkinnedMeshRenderer[] meshes = player.gameObject.GetComponentsInChildren<SkinnedMeshRenderer>();

            Debug.Log("Looking for meshes...");
            foreach (SkinnedMeshRenderer mesh in meshes)
            {
                Debug.Log("Found a mesh: " + mesh.name);
                mesh.materials[0].SetTexture("_BaseColorMap", tex);
            }
        }
    }```

[drifting mulch]

is that in the GIT?

we can connect later

[tribal marlin]

We had to do some extra changes here aswell

And with the textures

[drifting mulch]

looks like a great foundation, def can refactor it

[tribal marlin]

But 753 also expressed the sentiment that the code probably needs an overhaul, and this was kind of a "quick fix" at the time

And yeah it's on the git

[drifting mulch]

yeah I can see that, this isn't judging, this is "code that works"

great foundation

[tribal marlin]

Wait till ya see the main pillar of the code that makes the model swap works

The bone and IK section

[drifting mulch]

yeah the IK stuff is new to me

but shouldn't need to touch it? Unless different races are bigger/smaller

[tribal marlin]

From what I recall zoomy said, the impression I got is the player itself is only a capsule with the player model kind of just puppeted to it

[drifting mulch]

valheim is the same, you're a bean, with just a animated puppet, IK makes that more so

[tribal marlin]

Well I more so meant like

usually the player model is kind of the base of it

with al lthe player stuff built ontop

But it sounded like it's the otherway around for LC

I ought to get around to ripping the game to see for myself

[drifting mulch]

I mean that's generally how it's done, Player controller and collision (or just the controller) is top level, then sub children have the mesh and other effects. Honestly up to the dev

[tribal marlin]

So when might ya be free to help give this code a look over?

[drifting mulch]

maybe a few hours? its' 3:30 and I'm done work at 5pm, I just don't have time to really dig into stuff while watching things run

[tribal marlin]

kk!

Also I had made a little wishlist of sorts at the original post

Outfit Support. ✓ 
Ragdolls
First person model


Bonus Wishlist
More Suits compatibility
Multiple model options
Bone physics```

I feel it's pretty modest

First section is more tangible goals
And the "bonus" are more future "if possible" goals

More Suits is another mod that lets people add in their own custom textures

And I think it'd be rad to have that for my mod too

Though it'll probably have to be it's own built in thing

[drifting mulch]

could be doable. would have to get a secondary model done up. Also might need to ensure suits for the races are unwrapped the same. Like say a Dog race has a beer gut, but they can all use the same suit texture

[tribal marlin]

That shouldn't be too difficult to do

[drifting mulch]

in that case we could make the code more dynamic, like it registers a green variant for all of them ,it's just the model that changes

idk why I say we haha you and 753 invested more into this than me

[tribal marlin]

I don't know how many different models I might do, but the second one I had in mind to do was maybe like a kobold like shape

Which would basically just be taking off the ears, and giving them a thicker meatier tail

[drifting mulch]

yeah different models shouldn't be an issue

[tribal marlin]

Another option would to give em a longer tapered tail since a lot of folks like to think of em as skaven but eh..

[drifting mulch]

nothing wrong with a ratman

[tribal marlin]

I want to see if it'd be possible to have bone physics first

[drifting mulch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsHHVJSjyxY

[tribal marlin]

It's easier to get away with a stiff tail when it's short and stubby

but it stands out more when it's longer

[drifting mulch]

I haven't had much luck but could attach a sub-child for tails, and give them a basic bone structure with joints

the physics stuff hasn't really worked out for me 😛

[tribal marlin]

Well, awhile back I tried to see if I could get physics to work in valheim through my mod

though sadly I didn't have any success, with a rather amusing result

[drifting mulch]

yeah same, ends up like flying everywhere, acts like they're colliding with something

[tribal marlin]

But, this was the boen physics I tried to use

https://github.com/naelstrof/UnityJigglePhysics

And the maker of it even tried to help directly

Even made some adjustments and updates to the code to make it more friendly to being used as a mod

Sadly I think we didn't have much luck because of my mod just being glorified armor

so couldn't really get any custom bones added ontop

But Nael felt pretty confident it might of worked if it wasn't for that limitation

Which is another reason I really want a new code base for my valheim mod to free me from the vanilla rig

[drifting mulch]

I helped Snarling Fox with thier dragonid by spitting the wings to be a sub-object

so they can just override the player animations, and the wings watch the player state if they are flapping/gliding/idle

that was the only way to "add more bones"

[tribal marlin]

https://i.gyazo.com/aad5f7785c607b55921c4cc0d08f9c09.gif

Here's that funny effect it had when we tried

Basically in the character select menu, I just changed between one wearing a unaltered rig, and then one wearing a copy with the altered rig

[drifting mulch]

lol explodes

[tribal marlin]

But the altered one was just poof

[drifting mulch]

yeah Unity is very... volitile trying to change the core armature/rig

[tribal marlin]

I know it is possible to add bone physics in valheim

mods like that VRM one has it

and it worked with that other one named VPM [valheim player model]

[drifting mulch]

VRM just overlays a new animated model over the player doesn't it? hiding the base one

[tribal marlin]

Yeah

basically just an entirely different player model

Compared to mine that's just an overly elaborate suit of armor

[ornate kite]

VRM was pretty dope

Setting up the unity project to convert a model into a VRM model was hell

[tribal marlin]

Do you know much about the netcode and player sync stuff in regards to valheim? @drifting mulch
Cause a friendo of mine has been trying to make a new base system but has run into a snag when it comes to syncing between players

[ornate kite]

But damn it was dope how it was compatible with a ton of different things

[tribal marlin]

I recall you were among the more powerhouse modders among the community

[drifting mulch]

most if it is controlled by the ZNET stuff that Irongate made, that normally syncs most of what you need

ZNetView syncs position and location, and also custom ZDO data, there is a ZSyncAnim for syncing animation states

[tribal marlin]

Well, I'll be needing to do some catching up on my valheim mod again soon, but I was really hoping to migrate to this new system said friend is working on

[drifting mulch]

depending on what they need they can just add ids/data to the ZDO and read that and sync it

anything else custom you might need your own RPCs

but it honestly depends on what you need, and how often it needs to be sync'd

[tribal marlin]

By chance, they're also hanging about in the beasttribes server if you want to take a gander
Snarling made me a little channel for cackleheim on there heh

[viral wasp]

Yes bonus wishlist of Multiple Model Options Coexisting is a good future goal after everything else

[tribal marlin]

Yeah, it could already be possible, but the current code might become spaghetti if we tried since it was only made one with model in mind

[tribal marlin]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/EliteMasterEric/WackyCosmetics/ Seems someone made their own standalone cosmetics like what more company did

@viral wasp Guess I got a new addition to my wishlist

[thorny sandal]

I was trying out this bit of code, and it seems like there's a mistake here. if (player != null) continue should be the previous var if (Creature != null)

[tribal marlin]

Might be something to bring up to @ornate kite

[thorny sandal]

nah hyst's is fine

[tribal marlin]

Oh huh

[thorny sandal]

check yours

[tribal marlin]

I must of missed that then while adding in the code

The code was building though so I've got no clue what effect that had

[thorny sandal]

it was checking if player != continue, It was skipping every player

[drifting mulch]

yeah adjusted it to check if creature instead of player is !=null, componenet is now added, however now LC_API is compliaing about loading assets

[Error  : Unity Log] NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Stack trace:
LC_API.BundleAPI.BundleLoader.GetLoadedAsset[AssetType] (System.String itemPath) (at <8b8f000da7b442fcb33d65b0d2744834>:0)
CreatureModels.AssetHandler.TryLoadAssets () (at <ca5178f3af114c2dbb18d16bfb11a829>:0)
CreatureModels.LethalCreature+CreatureController.Start () (at <ca5178f3af114c2dbb18d16bfb11a829>:0)

TexBase01 = LC_API.BundleAPI.BundleLoader.GetLoadedAsset<Texture>("assets/textures/lcred.png");

issue was HideManagerGameObject = true for bepinex, seems LC_API uses the OnDestroy route

[viral wasp]

Are those mf TF2 hats already??? Lmfao

Just now responding because I’ve had the lovely luxury and experience of having food poisoning since like 3PM

[tribal marlin]

oof

[tribal marlin]

https://fxtwitter.com/DawrkL/status/1728984932930998472
https://fxtwitter.com/lilimderg/status/1727246493193826734

[leaden fern]

yeen power

[tribal marlin]

It's so wild to see so much fanart

[candid pumice]

Why you eat the bolts!

[thorny sandal]

I'm getting this error with the new LC_api2.0.0. this might be an api problem?

[tribal marlin]

Mod updated!

[thorny sandal]

sick, thank you

is the git updated as well?

[tribal marlin]

Ye

On a side branch atm

https://github.com/DarnHyena/LethalCreatures/tree/CodeRework

[thorny sandal]

I'm gotta study it later

[kind terrace]

updated the mod recently, but the playermodels have gone invisible again!

[drifting mulch]

bepinex config, do you have HideFromUnity = true? LC_API does not like that

[kind terrace]

h u h?

thats sounds like alien territory to me LOL

how would one fix that if it is so?

[drifting mulch]

Lethal Company\BepInEx\config -> BepInEx.cfg

HideManagerGameObject = false

[kind terrace]

yes it is false

[drifting mulch]

hmm.. what mod version you're using, and what lc_api version

[kind terrace]

im using it off the mod manager

should be the latest

[drifting mulch]

ok, what versions

[kind terrace]

im hoping those numbers are the build versions? ;;

[drifting mulch]

yeah, should be good? are you missing the asset bundle?

[kind terrace]

i dont think so

lethalyeen is in the bundle

[blissful spruce]

In r2modman can you click settings, Open Profile Folder, then navigate to BepInEx and grab the LogOutput.log from there

& post the file here

[kind terrace]

im sorry but whats r2modman?

[stoic geyser]

same thing as thunderstore mod manager

[blissful spruce]

^

[stoic geyser]

just on github

[blissful spruce]

The same steps should apply

[kind terrace]

O.o

where would i put the file?

[drifting mulch]

here

[blissful spruce]

just drag it into discord

[kind terrace]

nono i mean once i download r2modmanager- does that go just into plugins?

the zip itself

[blissful spruce]

Oh, you don't need to install r2modman

[kind terrace]

oh!

[blissful spruce]

Give me a second to get back to my computer and I'll take a screenshot

[kind terrace]

like this?

[kind terrace]

ah!

[blissful spruce]

hmm, this says your LC-API is only on 1.5.0

try uninstalling LC-API and installing it again

[drifting mulch]

hmm.. looks like rthe core prefab didn't load. do you have the right bundle?

[blissful spruce]

fairly sure it's because the LC-API version is loading the bundle w/o unloading

updating should fix it

[kind terrace]

trying it now

[drifting mulch]

hmm yeah, I've been helping with some upgrades, looks like it's still 1.0.2

for the main mod

[kind terrace]

same issue unfortunately

[drifting mulch]

yeah this is the issue

[Error  : Unity Log] ArgumentException: The Object you want to instantiate is null.
Stack trace:
UnityEngine.Object.Instantiate[T] (T original) (at <e27997765c1848b09d8073e5d642717a>:0)
CreatureModels.LethalCreature+CreatureController.Start () (at <0449f2934e1740e5aab1517c683f28cc>:0)

[kind terrace]

O.o

[drifting mulch]

maybe Hyena uploaded the wrong version

[kind terrace]

possibly but then wouldnt other people be having the issue then?

oh wait

is there supposed to be a config folder for lethalcreature specifically?

[blissful spruce]

lc-api is still the wrong version

[kind terrace]

thats weird cuz i uninstalled and reinstalled it to latest

[drifting mulch]

I don't think they update the internal version

for LC_API

[blissful spruce]

wait did they niot

[drifting mulch]

when I had it v 1.4.0 showed as 1.0.0 in the log

checked the mod.dll with ILSpy it's all old code that uses LC_API, so it should work

[blissful spruce]

oh, you're right

[drifting mulch]

even if it's older LC_API since the mod (currently) isn't trying to load the bundle itself

[kind terrace]

still invisible unfortunately

[drifting mulch]

hmm LH wiill have to check it out then

[kind terrace]

woah i just noticed a thing

could this have anything to do with it?

[drifting mulch]

with the .dll I sent yeah, altho if you're using latest LC_API it shouldn't

[ornate kite]

So is that new LC_API thing breaking the bundle loading? Or is it because you made that other bundle loader, and they are conflicting?

[drifting mulch]

well it should work with what's on TSIO now, as it's old code that makes use of LC_API, but it won't load the asset. And the new code can't access the bundle because LC_API has it open (doesn't unload the bundle with false (meaning don't unload assets that have been loaded)

so the new code I shared briefly for Lethal Karnthal is blocked by that

however Local Hyena was already doing a ton of tests and it was all green. So to be honest idk what happened

[tribal marlin]

I bamboozled myself

Put the wrong dll in the zip

Should be working for real this time now

[drifting mulch]

but the real question, will it work? 😛

[tribal marlin]

Yes, I was using it just fine earlier

which is why I was confused initially about reports of it not working

Then I saw the date on the dll in the zip was from yesterday

I mistakenly put in a broken test version

[blissful spruce]

it happens to the best of us

[thorny sandal]

This is the LC API 2.0.0 problem

[thorny sandal]

I see in the new branch you are also looking into loading different model with the suits

[tribal marlin]

Yeah, still deciding on how to go about that

[thorny sandal]

what's your idea atm

[tribal marlin]

Well one idea Hugo had was to have some kind of like toggle to swap between different model shapes with the outfit rack still doing the different textures

And an idea I was thinking would be to split off the ears and tail, and have different models for that people can mix and match

Maaaybe even do the same for the gasmask for different face shapes

[thorny sandal]

mm I see

maybe blendshape would reduce the need to split it into different meshes?

[tribal marlin]

I probably would still need to do that if I wanted to add like a thicker tail for a kobold look

[drifting mulch]

Shapkeys/Blendshapes is doable, however it's up to LocalHyena on the asset setup. Cause at that point it comes down to the code.

Am I disabling the player model (from Zoomy's code?) and only enabling one extra (Hyena, Kobold, Cat, etc)

Is something else taking care of accessories, or do I have to enable/disable/attach those as well?

Am I checking for some ID to set a Blendshape?

it's a very data driven (asset) approach, but will still need to know what is settled for the asset

[delicate coral]

Hey, we run into a weird issue, the host can't see Lethal Creature (we confirmed by switching who the host is), clients do see eachother as creatures and me as creature, but i dont see them as such

[tribal marlin]

Huh, thats certainly a new bug

Any other mods y'all have?

[delicate coral]

We do have a few yeah, i was actually gonna soon try and see if its any specific of those causing it

this would be the list

Ok so it seems "More Company" was the issue

probably due to the cosmetics thingy somewhow bullying the model loading but only for host?

[tribal marlin]

Sadly MC breaks LAN so I wasn't able to test it locally, so I had just quickly joined a random public lobby for long enough to see it on others

[delicate coral]

Its specifically the host not being able to see

the clients all can see others having it even the host having it, but if you're the hose (in our case was me) i wastn able to see anyone with it

[tribal marlin]

@drifting mulch think you could take a look into that?

[drifting mulch]

is there a log?

cause with LAN tests seems to work?

but I can check, I just need something concrete to work off of

[delicate coral]

Uh, i could test it out later again and send a log if you tell me where i can find it

[tribal marlin]

It seems to be some clash with more company on the hosts end

[delicate coral]

also its specifically online not lan

[tribal marlin]

More company doesn't work with LAN for some reason

[drifting mulch]

to be fair how the mod works LAN and Online shouldn't have a huge impact. But it's harder to test on my end, as I don't own multiple accounts or copy of the game either

[tribal marlin]

Yeah same here

[drifting mulch]

the patches will be the same for online or lan, so everything should work regardless of host or client

I know currently you can't see yourself as the new model (working on that)

[hidden cloak]

This might be a dumb question but is this mod bugged with the multiplayer mods atm? I can't seem to see any other players with it on

If so I'll just play with 4 people until it's fixed

[drifting mulch]

will have to see, I don't see how this could be an issue, because everything is setup, attached, and enabled/disabled on PlayerSpawnAnimation

and is harder to test for MoreCompany

as we don't have 5-6 testers on hand

[delicate coral]

oh, one other issue cuz we tried to play a little like that, is once the players died (i was host again), they became fully invisible outside of badge

but again, only happened when we had more company with the modpack

and only to the host (me)

which we confirmd was an issue with the host by changing who hosted

eitherway, i can test tommorow and send longs and all that tommorow as amma be off right now

[tribal marlin]

Should be working with bigger lobby, but more company seems to be having an issue for the host

[hidden cloak]

Ah okay, thanks for the heads up!

[proven tendon]

thanks for the fix

[ornate kite]

I would say the best way would be loading in everything model wise, and then enabling only the model type of the guy you want selected. And you could change your model at the terminal perhaps

Trying to use blendshapes for big model changes will be a chore

[drifting mulch]

I do blend shapes for my 1 armor set for Valheim, it would be a chore but it def allows one to do more with a single mesh.

I was thinking of something like a local config (now LocalHyena is the real driver, so only my musing my opinions) this config is what animal you want to be.

Then when there is an RPC call, as you said it'd indicate what animal (model to show), and then the rest should be handled the same way. Like if changing suit color should just go as per usual and just change the texture the material is using

but as LH is the one doing the real heavy work, I'll just help code what I can to work with their design

[tribal marlin]

https://i.gyazo.com/5301a877fc15f65a40d48aa523816e8a.mp4

[leaden fern]

Lethal Critter

[tribal marlin]

At the moment I'm just doing different model shapes

Which do you feel would be easier to work with? @drifting mulch

Shapekeys or model swapping?

[drifting mulch]

as i'm not too familar with syncing data for LC probably model swapping. but I think that will require the same work for syncing as well.

as for coding I've worked with both methods

syncing is probably just custom rpcs?

[tribal marlin]

I understand these are words yes

[drifting mulch]

if I learn how to sync data, you can do either option or both

Shapekeys and More does both and even combos of it

[tribal marlin]

Ah fancy. having the option for both would let me have more specialized shapekeys per model

But hmm, I still worry that route might drift hard into scope creep

[drifting mulch]

yeah it could lead to taking more time to complete a new animal due to all the options (shapekeys)

if I get it coded just right, and you have a naming convention that can be followed, you should be able to just add more rather easy

[tribal marlin]

I'm content to just doing like four ears and for tail options

technically five with no ears nor tail

[drifting mulch]

since I've already like went circles around my own models, and redoing stuff, heck I have some unreleased stuff because I'm redoing my greatswords again haha

I know the struggle of "how should I do this"

but since I do code and my own models, It's bound to happen as I learn more on one side I have to redo the other haha

[tribal marlin]

I do wonder though how we'll go about making them toggable too

My first thought would be maybe some simple hud with a pair of sliders

Doesn't need to be anything fancy

Though, that would also need some way for people to see what it looks like as well

[drifting mulch]

I have no idea how to do the UI stuff, maybe someone around here would be able to help with that, if you want ingame menus to drive changes

[tribal marlin]

Guess a config would be good enough for now
I imagine it'd be connecting back to one anyways to save those changes

[drifting mulch]

if there's a UI menu, can just do the Camera + Render Texture option to view yourself

[stark kindle]

@tribal marlin Thank you for the hyena times

[tribal marlin]

[acoustic ore]

Bit of a silly question but how do you go from the source code to that single .dll you place in the plugins folder?

I'm smoothbrained when it comes to coding

[tribal marlin]

You'll need visual studio

[acoustic ore]

already got that

so far so good 😄

Do I have to run some part of the code or?

[tribal marlin]

You'll also need to make sure the aseemblies are references to the right files

[acoustic ore]

Oh I see

That's the part I missed

[proven tendon]

what the flip

[leaden fern]

what the scallop

[acoustic ore]

How can I add these assemblies?

[tribal marlin]

Right click on this spot

Then pick "Add references"

Then go to the browse section and look for the same files currently in the assembly list

[loud mountain]

Quad mode?!

[tribal marlin]

https://discord.com/channels/1168655651455639582/1179461559114813511

[loud mountain]

AH I LOVR IT

[acoustic ore]

I got the dependancies hooked up, what's the next step?

[tribal marlin]

That's kind of it. You put the bepinex folder into the games base folder, toss the lethal creature folder into bepinex/plugins, and you're good to go

[acoustic ore]

Oh really

I thought I had to do something to get those two other files 😄

the .dll and other one

[tribal marlin]

Those are with the mods own zip file

[acoustic ore]

But how do I turn the main folder to those two files you put in plugins?

Cause the way I think this works is I change whatever I need in main, then do something to get those two files

Or am I missing something?

[tribal marlin]

They're in the folder

@tardy moth @desert oak @drifting mulch Someone made a model swap API thingamabob
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/BunyaPineTree/ModelReplacementAPI/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/BunyaPineTree/MikuModelReplacement/

They only seem to be in the other modding server though

If it's got cloth physics, I wonder if that means it's more prefab based than just sticking a fbx file into the code

They seem to believe it'll work with More Suits aswell

[acoustic ore]

OK thanks I'll try this out

[tribal marlin]

Oh welcome back!
But yeah the dll and assetbundle are in the zipfile, just buried all the way at the end of the folder chain

[tribal marlin]

It's prefab based too \o/

[tardy moth]

Oh that's neat

[tribal marlin]

Unfortunately the miku mod itself doesn't appear to be working for me in LAN mode

[tardy moth]

We are slowly approaching a VRM mod where everyone can have their own model easily

[tribal marlin]

personally I'd rather it not be VRM specifically, but some kind of LC specific SDK setup like what people made for Bomb Rush Cyberfunk would be nice

the process for setting up a model as a vrm is just so weird

[tardy moth]

Yeah but I'm a vtuber fan so it makes more sense to me hehe

[tribal marlin]

Since you gotta first set up the model, then build the model into a format the vrm process wants, and then build it again into the final vrm file

Seems the mod works online, but not in lan

The bone physics on the miku are absurdly buggy

[delicate coral]

This is probably not the best place to send it... but i wanned to show you the yeen bean, making avatars for me and my friends playing with the mod (but also made this basic colors version :D)

[leaden fern]

real yeen energy

[tribal marlin]

Ooh lookin marvelous \o/

[delicate coral]

gave him a lil background too :3

and one for my BF's pattern/colors

[tribal marlin]

[desert oak]

ah i see how it works

uses the same concept i originally tried which is just copying bone rotations

doesnt work great on armatures that differ too much from the normal model tho which is why I use IK

[tribal marlin]

Yeah, they did mention that on the git too that it won't work very well with non humanoid like shapes
So sadly Mon's dog likely won't work with it

They got some code for dynamic bones too

[ornate kite]

VRM is nice, would open up using a ton of models

[acoustic ore]

How can I generate these files for my model?

Do I have to put my model + armature in unity and export it somehow?

[tribal marlin]

Yes, you'll need to make an assetbundle through Unity

The game is on version 2022.3.9f1

[delicate coral]

Hey, would it be possible to somehow make a mod to swap out the texture of lethal creature to a custom one, kinda like more suits but for lethal creature

[tribal marlin]

I'm uncertain how easy it'd be to do, but I'd certainly love to have that as an option

[delicate coral]

That's be neat and yeah, i imagine it not being super easy, i know id spend like hours making suits for me and friends

[acoustic ore]

How can I generate a .controller file?

Because once I build the asset bundle, a .controller doesnt appear

[acoustic ore]

And the player model is invisible, I believe this explains why, but I'm not sure what it means:

[tribal marlin]

You make it in Unity

It's a animation controller

Honestly you can just reuse the one I made, it's in the github files

[acoustic ore]

How do I fix this error?

[tribal marlin]

Try changing that + to a dot perhaps?

[acoustic ore]

The thing is there is no + in the code

[acoustic ore]

I mean I assume this error is preventing the model from appearing

Because I am out of ideas😅

[tribal marlin]

What part of the code is it in?

[leaden fern]

that plus is part of the object's.. uh "signature" I guess. Its just saying the object type is CreatureController from your LethalCreature assembly, I think. I would focus on other parts of the error

I'm not familiar with that error tho, sorry

[thorny sandal]

I hard coded some extra suits, so it at least work with additional suits mod

PS. I use additional suits, but more suits should be the same.

but this can break easily if there's other mod that adds to the unlockables first

[fallen sorrel]

Hi, please tell me what could be the mistake? This happens when I log on to my server and then my game crashes. I reinstalled the game several times. I don't have any plugins except LC_API and BepInEx

[thorny sandal]

what version of the lc_api is this?

[fallen sorrel]

This is last version, [LC_API 2.1.1]

[thorny sandal]

hmm I'm not sure. you might want to go ask in #help-and-troubleshooting

[tribal marlin]

The mod doesn't use the API anymore currently

[acoustic ore]

I decided to retry making my own mod off of lethal creatures because my first attempt didnt work and it still doesn't work

Could someone tell me the steps I need to do to make my own mod?

I know I'm asking for a lot but I'm really desperate😭

My model is just the default player model with little things added to it, none of it affects the armature

[tribal marlin]

I would start with grabbing the unity assets from the github

And swap out the FBX and textures with your own files

[acoustic ore]

That part is clear to me

Does the fbx file have to be with the armature or just the mesh?

[tribal marlin]

It needs to be a rigged model

[acoustic ore]

I believe I'm doing something wrong in unity

[tribal marlin]

You'll want to set it up as a humanoid rig too

When you have a model or texture/etc selected, look to the lower right corner here

And that'll be where you can make an assetbundle name

If you don't have the assetbundle browser, you can use this script to create one

Just right click anywhere and you'll see this option at the bottom of the list

[acoustic ore]

OK so this I was doing correctly

good to know

What about the animator controller?

Do I just create it and assign it to the fbx I imported?

[tribal marlin]

You include it in the assetbundle

[acoustic ore]

So all this is supposed to be put in an assetbundle using that script in Editor right?

[tribal marlin]

More or less yeah

But, if you're wanting to just plug it into the existing dll file, you'll need to match the names of mine

[ornate kite]

👀 oh nice

[south holly]

the gang (we were all violently dismembered and beheaded immediately after)

[delicate coral]

Anyone knows if creechur works with new update?

[tribal marlin]

Seems to still be working on my end

[delicate coral]

Thank! Will know what ill be doing later :3

[acoustic ore]

So I've tried multiple times to replace the lethal creature with my own, but still didnt work with this error:

The model is just invisible

@tribal marlin would you mind if I sent a video of my process?

Maybe you'll find what mistake I'm making

[tribal marlin]

Sure

[acoustic ore]

Awesome thank you 🙂

I'll send it to you later today, kinda busy

I'm in no rush to make this, so you can watch it whenever you have time

[tribal marlin]

kk

[tribal marlin]

https://fxtwitter.com/Snartles/status/1734756506900537752?s=20

[delicate coral]

o no, poor yeen!

[odd sandal]

the gigglers

the faller

[tribal marlin]

[Sound warning]
https://i.gyazo.com/5e4190bfaa8650dcc51d1392e829c0d6.mp4

[tribal marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/696728940718456872/1186155732354216046/CreatureDance9.gif?ex=6592389c&is=657fc39c&hm=a2caa741b084cf4a1c0225d6dd61022eccf7f1be1eba4b33811f40a057029df5&

[delicate coral]

Amazing! Love the jiggle physics on tail and ears, and the paws now moving is extra nice!

[tribal marlin]

https://i.gyazo.com/ab8a9dd9b86e8fb82d1ce31e5bbcf3f7.gif

[obsidian turret]

I do love this, the only reason why at the moment its not a go for me is it complete removes the hands and makes it into nubs. So any emote using "Fingers" like point and middle finger = Broke. If one day that changes. Im sold

[delicate coral]

I think the nubs add to the goofy cute vibe of the creechur myself

[obsidian turret]

It does and it looks great! just very limited emotes specifically point and middle finger not working because of nubs takes away some of the fun

[delicate coral]

Ooo, thats kinda cool!
Do you plan to maybe add any more lethal creature suits?

[tribal marlin]

Ye

First need to get color changing working again though

[delicate coral]

fair! I do definetly enjoy using the green myself but i know some others wouldnt mind more colors, sadly im not proficinet really with modding to kinda "hack in" suits myself

[quick nacelle]

That's a really neat update! Really good work 👀

[odd sandal]

mortis

[delicate coral]

poor yeen
had to sactifice to show us the working ragdolls

[rocky wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/взгляд-2000-ярдов-война-war-soldier-gif-3632617944134077161

[ebon solar]

is this planned to be made into a model you can swap in/out of like the dog mod?

[tribal marlin]

Ye, the ModelReplacementAPI I've moved the model to has support for MoreSuits, so I can just connect my models to custom suits instead of the vanilla ones

[delicate coral]

would it be possible to make it so i could make my own suit mod specifically for more creatures?
Cuz id absolutely love to make a set of 4 or 5 suits for me and friends

[tribal marlin]

I'd really love to have that too honestly, unsue how though

75 did mention this though when I asked them about custom model support earlier

[delicate coral]

Looking forward if it happens! :3
Altho no stressing and rush, default suits are still super fun to use, we pretty much dont play without the mod

[tribal marlin]

Some possible future ideas for creature variants

[delicate coral]

that would be awesome

[stark kindle]

I wish to be a jiggly creature once more

[wild arch]

this mod has some interesting fan art >_>

[delicate coral]

Hey, is there any ETA for the update with jiggle bones and all :3?

[tribal marlin]

Not atm, but back home now and can keep working on it some more

[flint willow]

You’re just using dynamicbones right

[tribal marlin]

Nope, Jigglephysics

https://github.com/naelstrof/UnityJigglePhysics

Infact, Nael even created a modified version of it to work with bepinex stuff

[flint willow]

The bootleg dynamic bones might just be real

[tribal marlin]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/BunyaPineTree/ModelReplacementAPI/

[flint willow]

I’ve just been using the actual package

[tribal marlin]

And this modelreplacement api has that modified version of Jigglephysics built right in now

[flint willow]

I have never heard of these before because everyone just uses dynamicbones lol

I guess the free probably less feature version exists lol

[tribal marlin]

JigglePhysics is it's own standalone thing

But since it's also free, it's much more ideal for using in mods

[flint willow]

I know but I’m insinuating it’s probably not as good (not sure)

[tribal marlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/696728940718456872/1186155732354216046/CreatureDance9.gif?ex=6592389c&is=657fc39c&hm=a2caa741b084cf4a1c0225d6dd61022eccf7f1be1eba4b33811f40a057029df5&

[flint willow]

Get jiggy with it

[tribal marlin]

But yeah it works pretty great

[small hearth]

man he got laid out

[delicate coral]

damm lazy yeen

[wild arch]

AYO ragdoll update!?~

[tribal marlin]

UPDATED \o/

https://www.nexusmods.com/lethalcompany/mods/28
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DarnHyena/LethalCreature/

[delicate coral]

Let's gooo! Thank you for your work on this, must have mod for us

[tribal marlin]

https://fxtwitter.com/Nikao56/status/1741148744912171400

[delicate coral]

That's so good!

[tribal marlin]

https://i.gyazo.com/6c130591ccdf317574fc33dee02a36dd.gif

[robust holly]

Changing from creature model to default model seems to break the mesh (may be some incompatibility with another mod)

more than breaking the mesh, it actually seems to be loading a low quality LOD version of player model

[tribal marlin]

What other mods do you got in use with it?
Test out any other ModelReplacementAPI based models to see if it happens with them too?

[robust holly]

Any other ModelReplacementAPI based models have the same issue so i guess it's that mod's fault, either way i removed most of my mods to test it out and it still keeps happening with only: lethalcreature, moresuits, mirrordecor, lethallib, modelreplacementapi, mmhook

Ok it seems to be some incompatibility with mirrordecor. Seems to be a known issue with modelreplacementapi, forget i said anything lol

[tribal marlin]

No worries!

[bleak hinge]

Was this mod ever working at one point?

[bleak hinge]

Also I love these guys what is this

[delicate coral]

Those 2 are different mods not made by the person who makes Lethal Creature, and would be best to test it out yourself if they do still work

[bleak hinge]

Lethalkit always ends up not working, the model ends up as a t-pose right outside the ship on every moon

And I dunno what the other one is called

I wanted to find it

[delicate coral]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/AnotherWilson/LethalNardo/

[bleak hinge]

Oh hey, thank you :D

I fiddled with lethalkit a bit and yeah it just doesn't work

[delicate coral]

No probs, I showed that mod to someone a while ago so just had to check history, personally not using anything other than the yeen, just too good

[bleak hinge]

I like the yeens, but the proportions make them seem a bit too silly/cute for the environments they're going in, lol

[tribal marlin]

I think it used ModelReplacementAPI as well, but it's had quite the overhaul over the past week, so likely might be the lethalkit is outdated now with the current version of the API

[bleak hinge]

Ahhh you're right, thank you

[tribal marlin]

https://i.gyazo.com/08e5e656d54b0409815bd69364814bc2.mp4

[delicate coral]

is each color of the suit its own model (as in your plans for it) or can you choose both model and color of the suit?

[tribal marlin]

The new one will have it's own set of textures

[delicate coral]

Oooo!
Thats even more exciting then, i hope the next one in plans if you do, is the smol yeen

[delicate coral]

i think lethal creature + toomanyanimations mod has a funny little bug (altho the animations work which is neat)

:)

[delicate coral]

you still plan on doing the tiny one? ANd overall looks great! Love the variety of yeens, best mod

[tribal marlin]

Oh, the original was the tiny one in that one pic

[delicate coral]

The yeen gonna have a mohawk? Neat!

[unkempt bluff]

The guy in the middle is actually so sick though

[tribal marlin]

https://www.twitch.tv/darnhyena Workin on creature textures a bit

[delicate coral]

oh damm, missed it cuz eeps

[delicate coral]

omg, them purple!

[tribal marlin]

https://i.gyazo.com/3c5ec055b1f95e09b3c0061407bd9c8a.gif

[safe forum]

noice owo

i need this!

[delicate coral]

is that texture in the middle broken or intentional? x3

[tribal marlin]

I've not made textures for the other two yet

So they're just borrowing from the original for now while I work through the kinks

[delicate coral]

ah fair! Still super cute to see the yeen variants!

[tribal marlin]

https://i.gyazo.com/e83680e36f5dd927dcdfacb710889172.mp4
[Audio/Strobe warning]

[tribal marlin]

https://i.gyazo.com/64955a0072307b54b3da2bbb09afb22b.gif

[odd sandal]

my goodness

[ocean acorn]

friend shaped

[tribal marlin]

For anybody that wants to try it out. Still a WIP
3rdperson mod is optional, I just think it's fun to have

Sentry doesn't have any proper textures yet, so they still look rather scuffed

[bleak hinge]

YEENS MUST NAP

[edgy grotto]

does this interact properly with maskedenemyoverhaul and masked enemies in general?

[odd sandal]

masked don't get replaced

[edgy grotto]

rip

[tribal marlin]

Masked enemy overhaul? Not familiar with that mod

[edgy grotto]

it's a mod that makes masked enemies indistinquishable from players, it copies player suits and can spawn without a mask

[ocean acorn]

perilous objective: masked yeen that plays yeen cackles intermittently instead of the masked chuckles

[edgy grotto]

that'd be funny and i do wanna use the mod really bad i just think my friends would be mad if i dropped skinwalkers to be a little gremlin instead

but i love the role choices that's such a good idea i honestly might just say f it

[tribal marlin]

Why can't ya have both though?

[edgy grotto]

bc if the unmasked enemy skinwalker is a player then its obvious that its not a real person bc we'd all be coyotes

hyenas sorry

[tribal marlin]

Ah yeah

[ocean acorn]

skinwalker has nothing to do with the masked enemies specifically FYI, that mod will have a variety of enemies use voice clips. Masked enemies are just like that as base vanilla assets, but they do very obviously stand out if you're using creechurs to scamper and scurry.

[glad fossil]

yeah you can use skinwalker and the masked enemy overhaul at the same time

[delicate coral]

woah, spooky bean!

[ocean acorn]

bequeath this creature with a pumpkin and Cackles™️ bar

[ocean acorn]

need to somehow manage masked yeenemies 🤔

[lusty burrow]

Hey, Hyena! I love your creature mod. I was wondering if I could pick your brain a little bit about mapping cosmetics to both the default player model and a custom replaced model, if you've got time sometime?

[tribal marlin]

Oh sure, what did ya have in mind?

[lusty burrow]

Thank you so much! If you prefer to chat via DM, let me know - here's a quick summary of what I'm trying to do and why I think you can maybe point me in the right direction.

I'm working on two separate mods atm - a model replacement for the Lethal Company player model, and a cosmetics mod.

I'm trying to figure out if there's a good way to ensure the cosmetics I make look right on both the base player model and the replaced player model. I'm using swipez' Unity workflow for the cosmetics, and the Unity workflow for the model replacement API as well. Is there a good way to make sure a cosmetic is lined up on both models without needing two versions of the cosmetic?

[tribal marlin]

Sadly I don't know if there's a method for the cosmetic stuff

I guess at best, probably a lot of back and forth eyeballing it to make sure they fit on the custom model

But BUnya, the maker of the modelreplacementAPI has talked of working on adding some kind of support for it in the SDK

[lusty burrow]

Ah, got it - I had thought you had made some cosmetics for the creatures that looked right on both models somehow

I figured going back and forth was gonna be my best bet but was hoping there would be a good system for it lol

[bleak hinge]

dubious little creechur...

[ocean acorn]

friend-shaped

[delicate coral]

the 3rd one be like: You haven't unlocked this charactger yet

[tribal marlin]

Gotta find the secret boss

[delicate coral]

O no, the yeen boss

[ocean acorn]

boss fight music but the entire midi instrument library is just hyena noises

[dire silo]

Does this mod use its own rig or the vanilla rig?

[tribal marlin]

Has it's own

[dire silo]

Seemed like it, just wasn't sure, that's cool though

[delicate coral]

So much customization!

[ocean acorn]

cacklesquad

[dire silo]

I love these lil guys

[ocean acorn]

toe to tip: these are friends alright

[tribal marlin]

Just about done and ready to go, but I'd like a bit of field testing to get some initial feedback before I push it out

[safe forum]

oh nice owo

[safe forum]

i love this one ♥

[tribal marlin]

Ah ye, the Comms

initially named Navigator, but it was a bit too long in the text box

[drifting mulch]

do they have a passive ability? like always has walkie-talkie capabilities

[dire silo]

I think it's all purely aesthetic

[drifting mulch]

I think that'd be cool. Sub-Classes that have 1 ability, and a downside. Like they're slower (or base weight is like 15lb)

[dire silo]

That sounds like it would need to be a separate mod so people who just want fun outfits don't need to deal with that

[drifting mulch]

Yeah I have a feeling it's all cosmetic but a add-on mod to work with them. I've been working with Hyena on and off

[drifting mulch]

Yeah like 1) LethalCreatures for cosmetics, and then mod 2) requires 1) but gives additional stuff, so people don't need 2) if they find other mods do something better OR just don't like the idea

[drifting mulch]

Like imagine the big boi has more loot slots, or weight reduction, but batteries drain faster Physically better, but suffers from technical disadvantages

[safe forum]

will be my main character on lethal now uwu

[tribal marlin]

That could be neat as it's own thing ye

Like maybe comms has a built in walkie, less health, but moves the fastest

Sentry maybe having an extra carry slot and more health but slowest

[drifting mulch]

yeah just a little pro and con, not something massive, but it's a fun gimmick that if someone really likes to haul loot to the ship, or be the field comms guy

and then the base one is just default/ balanced (basically no pros or cons, just base player)

maybe even add a techboi, that can (with time) activate nearby doors/turrets/mines

and has longer battery times

[dire silo]

built in "hacking device"

[tribal marlin]

Maybe sentry could have a special slot that comes with a free shovel

[dire silo]

it's just a fist

or a pipe would also work

[drifting mulch]

yes Sentry has a 5th slot and its' reserved for "fist"

[dire silo]

if pipe, then no need for a new animation

just reuse the normal attack

[drifting mulch]

that too, or can just play the charge animation but sped up? lol

sucker punch

"charge item animation"

[dire silo]

oh lol that one

[drifting mulch]

but they are using IK with the model replacer? maybe it's possible to just package some animations and use an avatar to just make it so only the upperbody will get overriden and play a punch animation?

give em the 1,2

if not using a custom animation, just remove the override and follow the base game model+animations

well in theory

[ocean acorn]

Inverse text to speech where the creatures replace voice audio with animal crossing hyena sounds and then subtitle what the person actually said

[dire silo]

Standard

• Just the vanilla employee, no bells or whistles
• Functionally the fastest employee, best at running loot

Comms

• 5th slot "Micro-terminal" tool, can only input Signal Translations, Signal Booster commands and ID Code Triggers (for doors/sentries/mines)
• Scanning turrets and mines provides their ID code
• +15 lbs weights

Sentry

• 5th slot "Lead Pipe" weapon, functionally a shovel
• 150 HP
• +15 lbs weight

[tribal marlin]

Comms would probably have less weight tolerance

cause they're a nerd

[dire silo]

lol

from what I know about weight in vanilla, it's diminishing punishments

so like, 100lbs is not twice as bad as 50lbs

you could in theory make it so the comms creature has a more punishing curve

but Idk if that's possible to mod

so I just listed them as having +15 lbs by default, simplest solution

[tribal marlin]

OH

[drifting mulch]

it doesn't have to be brutal punishments, just something enough that balances their bonus.

[tribal marlin]

You meant that as in like, they have that added to their default weight

[drifting mulch]

like you really don't want the meta to be all Sentry or Comms

[dire silo]

yes

sorry if that wasn't clear

the +15 pounds is a bad thing

[tribal marlin]

I thought it meant they can carry more weight before it slows em down

[dire silo]

nah nah nah if anything that would be added to the vanilla employee

[tribal marlin]

I was thinking comms could be faster too

but their trade off would be less health

[dire silo]

less health isn't toooo impactful when half the enemies in the game instakill you

[tribal marlin]

Sentry gets more health, but slower
Comms get less health, but faster

Ah yeah true

[dire silo]

more health? Meaningful for a fighter class

less health? kinda hurts but if you move faster then you can outrun things that would kill you

which is ideally what you're gonna do anyway

[tribal marlin]

What other sort of con could there be instead of just slower though

Even if there's that half that can insta kill, there's still others that aren't instant death but still otherwise deadly if you don't high tail it out

[dire silo]

"more visible" maybe

[tribal marlin]

So, you'd have to be more alert if your thresold for smaller hits is lower

[drifting mulch]

reduced jump height or stamina

[dire silo]

Idk how the game handles when or how monsters see/target you

but if comms characters were easier to see and more likely to be the target, could be funnny

[tribal marlin]

Oh less stamina could be fitting

[dire silo]

less stamina is pretty clean

[tribal marlin]

carrying around the radio gear while skidaddling wears ya out faster

[dire silo]

would balance out being faster

[drifting mulch]

like if Sentry has more health, less speed, but more stamina and weak jump height, makes them more ideal for dueling a problem

[dire silo]

I don't think I'd touch jump height

[drifting mulch]

but you might not want to be making questionable leaps of faith

Comms with less health (blobs, thumpers more dangerous) and less stamina means you don't want to be running everywhere

but you can run a distance if you need

[tribal marlin]

Problem though is jumping is kind of a vital game mechanic considering the trench room type

[drifting mulch]

buy a ladder for your thiccboi

[tribal marlin]

Like, if the other 90% of the facility is on the other side of one of those, then sentry is just useless

[drifting mulch]

there's tools in the game

[tribal marlin]

ladder is a mid/later game tool

[drifting mulch]

also note, when super overweight, you still can make those jumps

eh only testing can tell

it's the balancing or what to balance that's important to get some items down

[tribal marlin]

Yeah but if the sentry already starts with a 15+ weight along with a gimped jump range that will be a bit of a double whammy

[drifting mulch]

I'd just jot it down, and test it later

since this doesn't exist yet

you don't know it'll make it impossible

harder yes, impossible? without testing who knows

[tribal marlin]

True, just trying to think of how different ideas would clash since that 15+ weight would already kind of gimp their jumping a bit

[dire silo]

I think there's a lot of muscle memory surrounding jump height

like it just wouldn't feel good to have a lower jump

[drifting mulch]

weight never affects jump height, just speed and stam drain

[dire silo]

it still makes jumping the gap harder

weight affects the speed your stamina drains and your movement speed

just so we're clear

[drifting mulch]

well not saying 50% jump height cut, there's tweaking

[dire silo]

I just wouldn't touch it

[drifting mulch]

everyone here acting like it's gonna be 90% reduction lol

[dire silo]

nah cause like, if it's just 20% reduction, then it barely matters so why have it

but the tipping point into "it really sucks" is super harsh

like trying to balance a coin on its edge

[drifting mulch]

having a free melee off the bat, and more hp is already a massive boon early

means you can buy a more useful tool, or more flashlights early

[dire silo]

I'm not saying he shouldn't have a nerf, I just think nerfing jump height will feel crappy as a player

[drifting mulch]

well if comms and sentry are just +15lbs it's like a head scratcher

[tribal marlin]

Well either way, it would still be something to tinker with to know for sure what effect it has

[drifting mulch]

cause do you want melee, or some tech

the downsides are the same

[dire silo]

the downsides being the same makes the upside for staying vanilla be that you're the fastest

[tribal marlin]

That's why I was thinking comms would have less health in exchange for a bit of speed

Or faster stamina drain in exchange for that speed

[drifting mulch]

being vanilla just means you're balanced, no bonus, no cons.

for those that don't care or are wary of it (picking a class)

someone that likes to be a meathead and deal with spooky monsters, isn't also going to excel at looting

a comms guy gets some free tools/quirks, at the downside of being ok at looting, but might die from a sneeze

if they're more comfortable with being a jack of all trades, and know how to use the game's tools, no point in picking a class

which is fine

[dire silo]

Scav

• Stock

Comms

• +40% stamina drain rate (stamina refill speed unchanged)
• +20% base speed
• 70 max HP
• Access to terminal commands but not the monitor (baked into 4th slot)

Sentry

• -30% stamina drain rate (stamina refill still unchanged)
• Starting weight of 20 lbs
• 130 HP
• Lead Pipe weapon (baked into 5th slot)

[tribal marlin]

Ah yeah, instead of being a fifth slot, they could just takeover one of the four slots

so that would be another trade off

[dire silo]

means they can carry less loot

which sounds like something you think would fit yeah?

[drifting mulch]

that works too, just a fixed slot is lost, but gains something perm to them. Just have to make sure said item can't be dropped (which is a few places, by choice, or teleport, or holding a body when leaving moon, ragdoll revive forces a drop all)

but hitting 5 or some other hotkey to "show" a item that's not an "item" might avoid that by not being an offical thing

[tribal marlin]

Hmm yeah that would be a troublesome thing to figure out how to block out

[dire silo]

hm

could maybe have a "special ability" button specific to the mod to avoid any slot complications

[drifting mulch]

not saying impossible just offering it as "this might happen"

and a possible alternaive, similar to what tilted just said

[dire silo]

so on Sentry pushing the button makes you punch, and on comms it makes you pull up a mini terminal

regardless, having Sentry's downside be Starting Weight instead of just a movement speed decrease is intentional

because it means that adding more weight isn't quite as bad as it would be on the other classes

so in a sense, he's slower, but that just makes him more efficient at hauling heavy loads

[dire silo]

that logo is awesome

[tribal marlin]

Might of changed up the names a lil

[dire silo]

looks good

[tribal marlin]

Tried to make the colors more uniformal to the game

though there's some coded in colors for the model selection that'll need to be adjusted

[dire silo]

you know what would be a funny upside is +crouch speed

waddling around all sneaky and fast

[drifting mulch]

haha if I get back into Valheim maybe I'll ask you on some UI help? or what tutorials you used, Cause I do want to make a custom weapon/armor crafting thing

[tribal marlin]

I wouldn't be much help with coding UI

That was all the work of Sprinkles/Scotty

They set up the initial UI and I just been kind of tinkering with it since

[drifting mulch]

Alt is nice, however as I ran into this with Late Game Upgrades, it always triggers my NV when I alt-tab. Imaging your alt-tab trigger-happy sentry punching everyone int he back of the head lol

[dire silo]

the specific key doesn't matter

[drifting mulch]

but yeah hotkeys are easy to add as config

[dire silo]

rebind controls mhm

[drifting mulch]

😛

[dire silo]

could be middle mouse really

bind it to the letter C, for Computer/Combat

[tribal marlin]

Yeah, rebindable toggles is a must have for sure to future proof against other mods adding custom binds

[dire silo]

also note that I speicifcally put - walk speed on the brawler

so crouching doesn't take ages, and when he wants to sprint at a monster he can really book it

[tribal marlin]

https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DarnHyena/LethalCreature/
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DarnHyena/LethalCreatureClassic/

Update is out! \o/

Also made a seperate upload for the previous version as a sort of 'classic' edition for those that like the creatures just as they are

[delicate coral]

Me and my group when lethal creature mod

[marble pagoda]

need to see myself while customizing...somehow.....without 3rd person mod (which is also not really helping) pls .......

[drifting mulch]

Could add a camera that renders to a rendertexture, and add that to the UI

so it shows the player model

[dire silo]

Alternatively just a 2D representation of the character model would also be cute, like just a cartoony lil creature

[sullen echo]

Does this replace all players or can some people still be humans?

[tribal marlin]

Others can still be humans, though you'll have to make some adjustments in the config for which suits the creatures use, and likely also acquire moresuits

[tribal marlin]

New update is out \o/
https://www.nexusmods.com/lethalcompany/mods/28?tab=files
https://thunderstore.io/c/lethal-company/p/DarnHyena/LethalCreature/

[dire silo]

Just QoL stuff basically?

[tribal marlin]

Yeah more or less. UI got reworked to be a bit clearer, and save slots for color sets
Also shouldn't be anymore spam in the chat

[dire silo]

Groovy

[dire silo]

Omfg

[full gazelle]

how can i make masked look like that?

[dire silo]

Me and the.... wait, those aren't my boys, THOSE AREN'T MY BOYS

[tribal marlin]

creature is real

[dire silo]

Oh wow cool

[mint hamlet]

them mfs pulled up like

https://tenor.com/view/dbz-meta-cooler-gif-26442859

[tribal marlin]

creature

[dire silo]

holy shit

[worn hound]

sick

[warm frost]

is there a way for creatures to not replace everyones model?

[viscid mason]

You can edit the config to use moresuits instead

[warm frost]

oh sweet!

i love that mod

[viscid mason]

https://bsky.app/profile/nopan.bsky.social/post/3laf5ikqd5x2x
https://bsky.app/profile/nopan.bsky.social/post/3laf5nay2mh2q

Nopan (@nopan.bsky.social)

I had a whole saga of lethal company hyena mod characters doing lethal company things, done directly with a brush pen. This was how i first got into brush pens

Bluesky · Nov 7, 2024, 8:56 PM

Nopan (@nopan.bsky.social)

Because i had enough i'll put a few more here

Bluesky · Nov 7, 2024, 8:58 PM

creatures

[inland falcon]

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[mint hamlet]

fuck you pawsy

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cardboard-punch-silly-cat-silly-gif-8249771488252948329

[leaden fern]

what the fuck pawsy?

[inland falcon]

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